mitnick-digest Wednesday, October 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 186 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:43:46 -0800 From: hugh field Subject: Re: [mitnick] My close encounter with Visiting KM, only as a Cellmate... First: please don't start another AOL flame war. Some people like AOL and that's fine. While I personally dislike the service for many reasons that does not justify wasting space in people's mailboxes for your inane drivel. Second: Where exactly do you admin? I would love a job at a place where my employers don't care about spelling. Regardless, if you would like to effectively communicate any ideas you may have in between your anti-AOL comments, you might want to obey the standard rules of spelling and grammar. ~hugh field (DarkJedi) Hardrock Llewynyth wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, zoltan wrote: > > > in response to that, let me tell ya somethin. you go be an admin. for 12 > > hours, and program for another five. then tell me how well you spell, or > > really care how you spell. > > dunno what languages and Operating Systems you use; but it has been my > experience with C, Java, Unix, and DOS that if you can't or don't spell > everything correctly, you are in for a world of hurt. > > Windows, otoh, you're in for a world of hurt regardless. > > > ps- at least i am not a lame ass AoL user. lamer > > hardrock, some of my best friends are AOLers... > -- > "I will not eat any animal that has ever been a cartoon character." > --Dave Lister - -- ********************************hugh field****************************** | redtide@serve.com | PGP public key @ www.serve.com/redtide/pgp.txt | ************************************************************************ | God: "If I were to tell you that there is an army of angels waiting | | in Heaven, and on the Day of Judgement they will be unleashed upon | | the world to slay all the unbelievers, what would your response be?" | | Response: "Pre-emptive nuclear strike." | ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:13:54 -0800 (PST) From: DoctorWhoCares Subject: [mitnick] An idea. I have an idea I would like to share with everyone. In order to get the public exposed to Kevin+'s name, (and the concept of who Kevin is and what Free Kevin means), while enticing the publics (by public I mean straight laced John or Jane Q. Public who are middle aged, not young so called 3LeeT HaXor types who are already in the know), curiosity as to who Kevin is and what Free Kevin means. Why not call in to any or all televised programs that invite live call-ins, like the calls I frequently hear that are for or from the Howard Stearn clique? Just think. Larry King Live on CNN. Its on 7 nights per week at 9:00 pm ET and re-airs at 12:00 midnight ET. A call in requesting to Free Kevin or someone just rambling about Kevin as quickly and for as long as they can until they are disconnected, enough times will certainly catch the attention of a few million international viewers. Perhaps (a long shot) the CNN people will become curious enough, to (maybe) run something (hopefully positive) about Kevin and this cause. Of course they could very well want to pursue the prank callers instead. Either way, there are all kinds of call in programs on TV, and I always hear someone calling in and crashing the show with something off the wall concerning Howard Stearn. Why can't the same thing be done for Kevin Mitnick? If it happened enough times, a lot of people will scratch their head and ask themselves, 'Who the heck is Kevin Mitnick?', or 'What's Free Kevin?', Who's Kevin?'. That's all it takes. Some of them will want to know more. Then the message will be in the process of moving along. People will be forced to think about it whether they want to or not. Just because they happened to be watching a TV program that received a few Kevin Mitnick, Free Kevin, messages. What do you think? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ One day upon the stair, I saw a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away. TheDeBriefed ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:32:46 -0500 From: "zoltan" Subject: RE: [mitnick] My close encounter with Visiting KM, only as a Cellmate... I tell ya one grammar mistake, and I am made to look like I have an IQ of 5. As far as AOL goes, I just want to get off that topic. It's like starting up a MAC vs. PC war. You just can't win. k with everyone? - -z > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mitnick@2600.com [mailto:owner-mitnick@2600.com]On Behalf Of > hugh field > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 12:44 AM > To: mitnick@2600.com > Subject: Re: [mitnick] My close encounter with Visiting KM, only as a > Cellmate... > > > First: please don't start another AOL flame war. Some people like AOL > and that's fine. While I personally dislike the service for many reasons > that does not justify wasting space in people's mailboxes for your inane > drivel. > Second: Where exactly do you admin? I would love a job at a place where > my employers don't care about spelling. Regardless, if you would like to > effectively communicate any ideas you may have in between your anti-AOL > comments, you might want to obey the standard rules of spelling and > grammar. > > ~hugh field (DarkJedi) > > Hardrock Llewynyth wrote: > > > > On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, zoltan wrote: > > > > > in response to that, let me tell ya somethin. you go be an > admin. for 12 > > > hours, and program for another five. then tell me how well > you spell, or > > > really care how you spell. > > > > dunno what languages and Operating Systems you use; but it has been my > > experience with C, Java, Unix, and DOS that if you can't or don't spell > > everything correctly, you are in for a world of hurt. > > > > Windows, otoh, you're in for a world of hurt regardless. > > > > > ps- at least i am not a lame ass AoL user. lamer > > > > hardrock, some of my best friends are AOLers... > > -- > > "I will not eat any animal that has ever been a cartoon character." > > --Dave Lister > > -- > ********************************hugh field****************************** > | redtide@serve.com | PGP public key @ www.serve.com/redtide/pgp.txt | > ************************************************************************ > | God: "If I were to tell you that there is an army of angels waiting | > | in Heaven, and on the Day of Judgement they will be unleashed upon | > | the world to slay all the unbelievers, what would your response be?" | > | Response: "Pre-emptive nuclear strike." | > ************************************************************************ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 04:45:05 EST From: EmpAllin@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Books Reference http://www.salon1999.com/30dec1995/features/mitnick1.html http://www.salon1999.com/30dec1995/features/mitnick1.html http://www.salon1999.com/30dec1995/features/mitnick1.html http://www.salon1999.com/30dec1995/features/mitnick1.html OK, after a few hours of sorting through all the Mitnick crap I can stomach, I have one good recomendation. This site http://www.salon1999.com/30dec1995/features/mitnick1.html has a fairly good article about the 3 books about this case and will be of help to those trying to figure out the book they should read. Of course we all have our own preferences but people need to make up their own minds. Honestly I would recommend to those interested parties that they go to this site and then hit www.takedown.com and www.kevinmitnick.com. I am sure every one is fully aware of both of these sites but these three sites would make a good batch to give to those just finding out about this. I know I really would not have recomended takedown.com prior to tonights digging but it does have links to a lot of the articles and such mentioned in the telling of this tale. I feel that as time passes those articles will help Kevin's side of things by showing how rediculous this really is and also by proving the pattern of misinformation that some sources have chosen to follow....but, hey, they wouldn't print it if it weren't true. I had a lot more I want to write but I think the facts speak better for themselves. I will leae it to others to tear apart the article for what it's worth and so shall others post the article to the list. Forgive me if this has already been mentioned but this is the first time I have seen this and the turn over on this list seems to be high enough that it don't matter no how. grating, Alin For comments about spelling or grammer call: !-888-FUKK-EWE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:28:10 -0500 (EST) From: ksandre Subject: Re: [mitnick] interesting post from newsgroups in 1995.... On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, kerry wrote: > > Has anybody kept track of the myths and lies that have been printed as fact > throughout this case? I would like to have an article on Kevin's site with > a list of them and some commentary, because in emails people have sent to > the site, I'm still getting a lot of "didn't he steal credit card numbers..?" Great idea! I know what you mean. When I ever I get into discussion of Kevin Mitnick's issues, almost invariably most people counter me with the Media-generated myths or charge-allegations as fact. > Unbelievably, what the media says, truth or not, is often accepted by > everybody. They never bothered to check their facts, or they would have > this person posted. On the show, the newspaper freaked out and printed a > retraction - which I doubt you'd ever see the NY Times do, after all the > crap they've printed on this case. That's The Strategy employed by many P.R. people _deliberately_ for years now relating to political "spin." Print the lie - while being fully aware it is, knowing that 10 people will see the LIE, but only 1 will ever see the retraction. Unfortunately, those strategists consider it acceptable. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:12:47 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Boutros Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, DoctorWhoCares wrote: Please don't take this as a flame, it most certainly is not meant to be interpreted as such. > In order to get the public exposed to Kevin+'s name, (and the concept > of who Kevin is and what Free Kevin means), while enticing the publics > (by public I mean straight laced John or Jane Q. Public who are middle > aged, not young so called 3LeeT HaXor types who are already in the > know), curiosity as to who Kevin is and what Free Kevin means. Why > not call in to any or all televised programs that invite live > call-ins, like the calls I frequently hear that are for or from the > Howard Stearn clique? Just think. Larry King Live on CNN. Its on 7 > nights per week at 9:00 pm ET and re-airs at 12:00 midnight ET. A > call in requesting to Free Kevin or someone just rambling about Kevin > as quickly and for as long as they can until they are disconnected, > enough times will certainly catch the attention of a few million > international viewers. And if you do that, what do you think "straight laced John or Jane Q. Public" will think of Kevin and his supporters? Probably the same thing those who have never heard (of) Howard Stern will think of him, his show, and his fans, after hearing 10 idiots yelling "Howard Stern, Baba-Booey" on call-in shows: That they are immature idiots looking for attention. That's what I'd think if I didn't know who he was and my introduction to his show was made that way. I sure as heck wouldn't tune in! IMHO, this kind of negative attention is NOT what Kevin needs. He has enough of that to deal with already with the media slandering him without his supporters actually doing him harm. Of course, that's just MHO, YMMV, etc... Phil - -- AH#61 Wolf#14 http://www.total.net/~philb philb@total.net "Power To The People" - BPP EKIII will ride with me again. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:43:43 -0500 From: "D. Kall Loper" Subject: [mitnick] an old press release There is a Department of Justice press release about Mitnick at: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/cac/pr/cac70627.1.html There has been some comment that the second part of Mitnick's 22 month sentence (the supervised release violation) was wrong. Is that a legal fact or is it just the collective interpretation? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:46:51 -0800 (PST) From: DoctorWhoCares Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. Point taken. Thank you for the clarification. - ---Phil Boutros wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, DoctorWhoCares wrote: > > > Please don't take this as a flame, it most certainly is not meant > to be interpreted as such. > > > In order to get the public exposed to Kevin+'s name, (and the concept > > of who Kevin is and what Free Kevin means), while enticing the publics > > (by public I mean straight laced John or Jane Q. Public who are middle > > aged, not young so called 3LeeT HaXor types who are already in the > > know), curiosity as to who Kevin is and what Free Kevin means. Why > > not call in to any or all televised programs that invite live > > call-ins, like the calls I frequently hear that are for or from the > > Howard Stearn clique? Just think. Larry King Live on CNN. Its on 7 > > nights per week at 9:00 pm ET and re-airs at 12:00 midnight ET. A > > call in requesting to Free Kevin or someone just rambling about Kevin > > as quickly and for as long as they can until they are disconnected, > > enough times will certainly catch the attention of a few million > > international viewers. > > > And if you do that, what do you think "straight laced John or Jane > Q. Public" will think of Kevin and his supporters? Probably the same > thing those who have never heard (of) Howard Stern will think of him, his > show, and his fans, after hearing 10 idiots yelling "Howard Stern, > Baba-Booey" on call-in shows: That they are immature idiots looking for > attention. That's what I'd think if I didn't know who he was and my > introduction to his show was made that way. I sure as heck wouldn't tune > in! > > IMHO, this kind of negative attention is NOT what Kevin needs. He > has enough of that to deal with already with the media slandering him > without his supporters actually doing him harm. > > Of course, that's just MHO, YMMV, etc... > > > Phil > -- > AH#61 Wolf#14 > http://www.total.net/~philb philb@total.net > "Power To The People" - BPP EKIII will ride with me again. > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:49:33 -0500 From: Kenneth Lo Subject: [mitnick] The chinese human-right site hack... This is another cover: http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9810/27/BC-BOC.reut/index.html The article didn't mention Kevin at all.... I was thinking, whoever did the hack wasn't really trying to convey any real message at kevin's front. It is mostly a chinese protesting issue. I finally had a chance to read the site last night, that wasn't really well done, in term of the protest... - -- klops ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:11:27 -0500 From: Kenneth Lo Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. About the Howard Stern part, a while ago the list came up with that suggestion and had various feedbacks. Ultimately it's "strike down"(?) because most of the people thinks he targets different audiences(which I disagree, as I listen to him everyday driving to work) and he won't take the issue seriously. Several monthes has passed and I haven't hear any caller from his show talking about Kevin Mitnick. - -- klops ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:10:28 EST From: EmpAllin@aol.com Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. In a message dated 98-10-28 11:12:20 EST, you write: > About the Howard Stern part, a while ago the list came up with that > suggestion and had various feedbacks. Ultimately it's "strike down"(?) > because most of the people thinks he targets different audiences(which I > disagree, as I listen to him everyday driving to work) and he won't take > the issue seriously. > Several monthes has passed and I haven't hear any caller from his show > talking about Kevin Mitnick. Ya know I have thought about this one since the original post and it really doesn't seem like that bad of an idea. I would think that maybe someone should send him some information on it and suggest a spot on the show. Some of his audience may not be interested but I think a lot of them will be. It would be up to them to decide to do it or not but if there was a flood of requests it could happen. Part of the reason I think it would be a possibilty is the fact that he has had several run-ins with the government and would likely understand that the fact of guilt is not the reason that we are in this. I would suggest someone from 2600 or otherwise close to the case be willing to go on the show. If someone comes up with some type of contact info - - be it the studio addy or his e-mail - I will start this rolling right away. Pr is pr and even if it does get on thee show and he doesn't agree with it, it would still help in getting the word out. We need to explore every possible way (without breaking any wacky wire fraud type laws) of speading the correct information about this case. I feel this is a viable idea and will act on it if given the contact information. playing for keeps, Allin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:25:14 -0800 (PST) From: DoctorWhoCares Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. Please re-read my original post. This is not what I suggested at all. I referred to call-ins to shows like CNN's Larry King Live, etc. by people who wanted to say Free Kevin, or social engineer their way (via phone) into the programs call in segment and ask, 'Why is Kevin still in jail?', and then hang up, or get disconnected, (they don't waste time on those programs, they hit the button quickly), based on the model of the Howard Stearn cult. Nevertheless, Phil B. submitted feedback on this idea that was plausible. The suggested method of drawing attention to Kevin's situation may in fact accomplish nothing more than drawing the wrong kind of attention to the cause itself and ultimately upon Kevin. Bad idea. Sorry. However, if you are intent on dfiance and resent having anyone tell you what to do or not do, let alone suggest. By all means, pick up the phone and knock yourself out. Larry King Live airs over CNN at 9:00 pm ET and is re-aired at 12:00 midnight ET, Mon through Sat. I suggest you not call from your house. Opps, another suggestion. - ---Kenneth Lo wrote: > > About the Howard Stern part, a while ago the list came up with that > suggestion and had various feedbacks. Ultimately it's "strike down"(?) > because most of the people thinks he targets different audiences(which I > disagree, as I listen to him everyday driving to work) and he won't take > the issue seriously. > Several monthes has passed and I haven't hear any caller from his show > talking about Kevin Mitnick. > > -- klops > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:28:30 From: Shiftlock Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. Have you people actually heard Howard Stern's show? He just doesn't address serious issues like Kevin. It's not going to happen. If Kevin's ordeal had something to do with lesbians, that would be a different story, but spending time trying to get a mention on Howard Stern's show is a waste of time which could be better spent. >> About the Howard Stern part, a while ago the list came up with that >> suggestion and had various feedbacks. Ultimately it's "strike down"(?) >> because most of the people thinks he targets different audiences(which I >> disagree, as I listen to him everyday driving to work) and he won't take >> the issue seriously. >> Several monthes has passed and I haven't hear any caller from his show >> talking about Kevin Mitnick. > >Ya know I have thought about this one since the original post and it really >doesn't seem like that bad of an idea. I would think that maybe someone >should send him some information on it and suggest a spot on the show. Some >of his audience may not be interested but I think a lot of them will be. It >would be up to them to decide to do it or not but if there was a flood of >requests it could happen. Part of the reason I think it would be a possibilty >is the fact that he has had several run-ins with the government and would >likely understand that the fact of guilt is not the reason that we are in >this. I would suggest someone from 2600 or otherwise close to the case be >willing to go on the show. If someone comes up with some type of contact info >- be it the studio addy or his e-mail - I will start this rolling right away. >Pr is pr and even if it does get on thee show and he doesn't agree with it, it >would still help in getting the word out. We need to explore every possible >way (without breaking any wacky wire fraud type laws) of speading the correct >information about this case. I feel this is a viable idea and will act on it >if given the contact information. > >playing for keeps, >A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 20:35:37 GMT From: squatex@fdt.net (John Barleycorn) Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:11:27 -0500, Kenneth Lo shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing speeds: >About the Howard Stern part, a while ago the list came up with that >suggestion and had various feedbacks. Ultimately it's "strike down"(?) >because most of the people thinks he targets different audiences(which I >disagree, as I listen to him everyday driving to work) and he won't take >the issue seriously. >Several monthes has passed and I haven't hear any caller from his show >talking about Kevin Mitnick. > >-- klops A much better forum for this would be Art Bells late night talk show "Coast to Coast". Its the highest rated show on late night radio in the country and he may actually listen. Moreover I believe his listeners would be more likely to listen.I sent him an e - mail today asking him to do a show/segement on the subject. Hes had hacker types on the show befor. About 3 years ago he did a whole 4 hour show with Cap'n Crunch. Antbody else wants to look him up go to www.artbell.com dc.... squatex@fdt.net FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:27:48 -0600 From: "poiSiNous" Subject: [mitnick] Nashville Scene Thanks to those of you that wrote to our local *scene* paper about the unfair harshness of the article in which Kevin was mentioned... I don't remember if anyone, noticed....but the author did print a favourable retraction and said "don't let it ever be said that I don't eat crow" *smile* it should be in the archives at www.nashscene.com I will check for it later, I am in a hurry at the moment :) poiSiNous poiSiNous ICQ : 2359153 AIM : KiSSKiLL URL : http://members.xoom.com/poiSiNous/Lair.html e-mail : drklust@bellsouth.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:59:28 -0700 From: "todd" Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. Art retired... Earth BroadCasting Corporation --- BroadCasting for the New World(tm) - -----Original Message----- From: John Barleycorn To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. >On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:11:27 -0500, Kenneth Lo >shot across phone lines and fiber optic cable worldwide at amazing >speeds: > >>About the Howard Stern part, a while ago the list came up with that >>suggestion and had various feedbacks. Ultimately it's "strike down"(?) >>because most of the people thinks he targets different audiences(which I >>disagree, as I listen to him everyday driving to work) and he won't take >>the issue seriously. >>Several monthes has passed and I haven't hear any caller from his show >>talking about Kevin Mitnick. >> >>-- klops > >A much better forum for this would be Art Bells late night talk show >"Coast to Coast". Its the highest rated show on late night radio in >the country and he may actually listen. Moreover I believe his >listeners would be more likely to listen.I sent him an e - mail today >asking him to do a show/segement on the subject. Hes had hacker types >on the show befor. About 3 years ago he did a whole 4 hour show with >Cap'n Crunch. > >Antbody else wants to look him up go to www.artbell.com > > >dc.... >squatex@fdt.net > >FREE KEVIN MITNICK NOW! - www.kevinmitnick.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:37:35 -0400 From: che guevara Subject: Re: [mitnick] merchandise go to http://members.xoom.com/TelePhreak/merch.html they have all of the info on buying Mitnick Merchandise Bob Crain wrote: > How do I purchase Kevin hats or shirts? > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- che guevara "I know you've come to kill me. Shoot, coward, you're only going to kill a man" [Che Guevara] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:15:14 -0500 From: "Bachrach" Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. - -----Original Message----- From: DoctorWhoCares To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. >Please re-read my original post. This is not what I suggested at all. > I referred to call-ins to shows like CNN's Larry King Live, etc. by >people who wanted to say Free Kevin, or social engineer their way (via >phone) into the programs call in segment and ask, 'Why is Kevin still >in jail?', and then hang up, or get disconnected, (they don't waste >time on those programs, they hit the button quickly), based on the >model of the Howard Stearn cult. Nevertheless, Phil B. submitted >feedback on this idea that was plausible. No, I think everyone understood perfectly. If Larry King is talking about the president and Mopnica then calling up and just saying "free kevin" will make you look like an immature asshole. It will get the complete opposite effect of what we're trying to do. If he is talking about, say, criminal injustioces in America, and KM would be ON TOPIC then that's different. At the same time, don't just say "free kevin" and hang up, that makes you look like an asshole. Call up and talk about it maturely. Somply starting to call up random talk radio stations and say "free kevin" is not what we want to do. People will simply get pissed off at you, and then also at KM. Actually talking about something maturely, IN THE APROPRIATE FORUM, is however a good idea. - ----------------------------------- | are you helping distributed.net to crack RC-5 64 encryption? you should be. | are you on distributed.net and on team #39, cracking for kevin? you should be. - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:27:25 -0500 From: "Bachrach" Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. - -----Original Message----- From: todd To: mitnick@2600.com Date: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. >Art retired... he then unretired. check out http://www.artbell.com/artquits.html and scroll down to "the third announcement of Art", dated 10/23/98 he's back ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:36:06 -0500 From: "Tim O'Neill" Subject: Re: [mitnick] knowledge is power >fbi attempts to enact legislation enabling comprehensive surveillance of >digital information transactions have been periodically rebuffed in this >country even as the fbi continues to intensify their efforts to get those >capabilities enacted into federal law. The latest one is a proposal the fbi sent to the fcc requesting a $2 billion overhaul in the cell phone network across the .U.S. What will this do? Let the FBI tap your cell phone and record any key you press on it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:48:34 -0500 From: "Tim O'Neill" Subject: Re: [mitnick] hacked site If it wasn't for the bit about a note being sent to the FBI, I would have geusses this whole thing was a well-done publicity stunt... considered, well, all the publicity involved. - -Zterm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:53:35 -0500 From: "Tim O'Neill" Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. >I have an idea I would like to share with everyone. > >In order to get the public exposed to Kevin+'s name, (and the concept >of who Kevin is and what Free Kevin means), while enticing the publics >(by public I mean straight laced John or Jane Q. Public who are middle >aged, not young so called 3LeeT HaXor types who are already in the >know), curiosity as to who Kevin is and what Free Kevin means. Why >not call in to any or all televised programs that invite live >call-ins, like the calls I frequently hear that are for or from the >Howard Stearn clique? Just think. Larry King Live on CNN. Its on 7 >nights per week at 9:00 pm ET and re-airs at 12:00 midnight ET. A >call in requesting to Free Kevin or someone just rambling about Kevin >as quickly and for as long as they can until they are disconnected, >enough times will certainly catch the attention of a few million >international viewers. Just remember one thing when you're calling a place like this: you can't be an idiot. They only accept really smart-sounding people and topics, exactly for this reason. They people who are saying "Howard Stern" start on the air the first few seconds by saying stuff like about some really smart-sounding topic. In other words: pick up the latest copy of a newspaper, go directly to the opinoin area, and find the smartest-sounding, intellectually stimulating topic. Talk about it for 15 seconds. Then splat out: FREE KEVIN! and they'll instantly disconnect you. But you need to do it fast. - -Zterm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:57:29 -0500 From: "Tim O'Neill" Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. >Have you people actually heard Howard Stern's show? He just doesn't >address serious issues like Kevin. It's not going to happen. If Kevin's >ordeal had something to do with lesbians, that would be a different story, Howard's the stupidist fuk I've ever heard on the radio. He's got the mentality of a 4 yr old, and he won't be on in awhile. His ratings are down. By the way, the originator of this topic was talking about calling into CNN, not HOWARD. you dumb fu_ks... - -Zterm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:00:22 -0700 From: "todd" Subject: [mitnick] Need a spokesman for Kevin! From the following thread, between me Bachrach to a way to get publicity for Kevin...so read on: >todd: Art [Bell, radio phenom] retired... >bachrach: he then unretired. check out http://www.artbell.com/artquits.html and scroll down to "the third announcement of Art", dated 10/23/98 he's back todd: wow. thanks. glad he is back. On with KEVIN: Art would be perfect to discuss Kevin's plight. I was a guest on his show about three years ago, it was surprisingly easy to get on as a guest. ****I have made this plea before to no avail. I am involved with a radio show that has ****a 48 share, it's a talk show called ground zero, which one of my business ****partners hosts. He would _LOVE_ to discuss Kevin, anyone who can speak from ****an insiders perspective would be welcome on Clyde's show. _PLEASE_Email: clyde@earthbroadcasting.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:28:01 -0500 From: kerry Subject: Re: [mitnick] An idea. it's not always the case that any publicity is good publicity though. i'd have reservations about putting a serious issue up for random commentary before somebody who can pull a joke out of a comment about someone dying from breast cancer, but then i dunno, maybe i just mistook that as a negative thing because i'm a girl. just think about it first and make sure you know your facts if you call em. Kevin Mitnick didn't steal credit card numbers, break into NORAD, flee to Israel, change a judge's credit records, turn off an fbi agent's power and water, threaten to kill shimomura on his answering machine, etc, etc... kerry At 12:10 PM 10/28/98 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 98-10-28 11:12:20 EST, you write: > >> About the Howard Stern part, a while ago the list came up with that >> suggestion and had various feedbacks. Ultimately it's "strike down"(?) >> because most of the people thinks he targets different audiences(which I >> disagree, as I listen to him everyday driving to work) and he won't take >> the issue seriously. >> Several monthes has passed and I haven't hear any caller from his show >> talking about Kevin Mitnick. > >Ya know I have thought about this one since the original post and it really >doesn't seem like that bad of an idea. I would think that maybe someone >should send him some information on it and suggest a spot on the show. Some >of his audience may not be interested but I think a lot of them will be. It >would be up to them to decide to do it or not but if there was a flood of >requests it could happen. Part of the reason I think it would be a possibilty >is the fact that he has had several run-ins with the government and would >likely understand that the fact of guilt is not the reason that we are in >this. I would suggest someone from 2600 or otherwise close to the case be >willing to go on the show. If someone comes up with some type of contact info >- be it the studio addy or his e-mail - I will start this rolling right away. >Pr is pr and even if it does get on thee show and he doesn't agree with it, it >would still help in getting the word out. We need to explore every possible >way (without breaking any wacky wire fraud type laws) of speading the correct >information about this case. I feel this is a viable idea and will act on it >if given the contact information. > >playing for keeps, >Allin > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:03:43 PST From: "TelePhreak ." Subject: [mitnick] Hacker's bad rep. early this morning while i was on the bus to school, i whipped out my palm top (which i won at internet world) and check out the recent news in the technology section of the msnbc quick news. i then saw the following: Hackers Blame For AOL Outage. America Online Inc. officals believe hackers are to blame for a software glitch that knoked many users off service and wreaked havoc aith its email system on friday. (full story: http://www.msnbc.com/news/206069.asp) now, this seems to me that something happened, they couldnt explian it so they blamed it on hackers. Its bullshit, something gets wrong and blaming hackers for it is the easy way to get out of it. Well, i just thought some of you might want to hear of yet another story where hackers get blamed for a fuck up. This doesnt really have to do with mitnick, but it does show how hackers (like mitnick) tend to get blamed for bullshit. - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - F -TelePhreak R Email: AcidHak@Hotmail.com E mIRC: TelePhrk E ICQ: 10886438 K Aol Instant Messanger: TelePhrk 0 E NPA: 908 (NJ) V http://phonerangers.home.ml.org/ I - - - - - - - - ->Phone Rangers<- - - - - - - - - - - N ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:08:55 EST From: danafton@juno.com (Dan Eisenberg) Subject: [none] unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 19:02:59 EST From: BadGirlnLA@aol.com Subject: [mitnick] Nashville Scene writer backs down! http://www.nashvillescene.com Nashville Scene October 8, 1998 By James Hanback, Jr. Bytes Hacked off Never let it be said that I won't eat crow. After my attack on hacking two weeks ago, when I reported the story of HFG (Hacking for Girlies) and their infiltration of the New York Times Web server, I received more than a few complaints from hackers and hacker- empathizers. As several readers noted, I failed to point out that Kevin Mitnick, though imprisoned for his alleged crimes, has not received what amounts to a fair trial--one of the hacking community's major contentions. Mitnick reportedly broke into the home computer of one of the world's leading computer-security experts. The investigation and Mitnick's capture were chronicled in the book Takedown, which was cowritten by a New York Times writer and has been hotly protested by many hackers as a simple attempt to gain money and notoriety for its authors. A film version of the book is in the works. Mitnick has subsequently been imprisoned without trial for longer than many rapists and murderers. But everyone, including hackers, has a right to due process. Likewise, my August column about "Back Orifice," the program developed by Cult of the Dead Cow, used overly harsh terms to describe the hackers involved. Local hackers say that Microsoft has not taken seriously the threat that Back Orifice could pose to Windows security; this negligence, they suggest, simply proves that the company isn't interested in the safety of its customers. Also, some people pointed out that the labeling of hackers as "cyber- terrorists" was unfair. Certainly, that wasn't a good descriptive term, if for no other reason than the fact that hacking doesn't necessarily amount to a terrorist act. A group of local hackers recently informed me that they do not break in and destroy other people's servers, but they do inform people of possible security problems when they encounter them. It is, they say, a community service. Speaking of hacking, a recent report at http://www.cnn.com/, claims people can break into your World Wide Web server through simple default CGI (Common Gateway Interface) scripts that come with the most popular Web server software. The recent hacking of the New York Times site-- http://www.nytimes.com/. -- prompted CNN to discuss the matter with experts in computer security. According to the report, those default CGI scripts should be deleted and replaced with a knowledgeable Webmaster's own, more secure scripts. Hackers are knowledgeable about the scripts that ship with common Web servers, and have found ways to get access to the server by feeding those scripts strings of long commands and overflowing their buffers. From there, they give themselves accounts on the victim servers and launch a "rootkit" to gain root access. Once they have root access, hackers are not limited in what they can do to your Web server. The best protection, the CNN expert said, is simply not to use the default CGI scripts. Descriptions of the buffer overflow technique can also be found at http://www.antionline.com/. To reach James, call him at 244-7989, ext. 272, or e-mail him at james@nashscene.com. ------------------------------ End of mitnick-digest V1 #186 *****************************