[00:34.660 --> 00:37.580]  All right, everyone, welcome back to another talk.
[00:38.360 --> 00:39.620]  How's HOPE going so far?
[00:40.820 --> 00:42.020]  Lots of good presentations.
[00:42.660 --> 00:43.060]  Excellent.
[00:43.540 --> 00:44.760]  Well, thank you for attending.
[00:45.180 --> 00:45.980]  We're so excited.
[00:46.160 --> 00:50.540]  We could actually do it in person this year again, and we're so happy that all of you could be here.
[00:50.740 --> 00:52.820]  And we're happy for all the speakers who've come to present as well.
[00:53.040 --> 00:55.640]  So a couple of pieces of business before we move on to the next talk.
[00:56.820 --> 01:00.000]  Important, there's a scheduled change in this room, actually.
[01:00.060 --> 01:03.660]  We had a talk at 10 o'clock tonight called Social Steganography.
[01:03.660 --> 01:09.960]  It is now being replaced by a talk called Medical Devices, Security and Privacy Issues, He's Dead Jim, Not Really.
[01:10.520 --> 01:12.080]  So it should be a great talk.
[01:12.200 --> 01:13.100]  Hope you can make it tonight.
[01:13.380 --> 01:17.440]  The Social Steganography talk has been relocated until tomorrow morning at 10 a.m.
[01:17.620 --> 01:19.500]  So please try and attend if you can.
[01:19.980 --> 01:21.960]  Thank you for wearing your mask throughout the conference.
[01:21.960 --> 01:25.620]  It's very important to us that we represent the behavior that we have committed to.
[01:25.700 --> 01:31.220]  And we're very grateful that you have participated so thoroughly in that.
[01:31.700 --> 01:33.180]  Tonight we have Hackers Got Talent.
[01:34.440 --> 01:35.820]  I think it's at 10 o'clock.
[01:35.920 --> 01:38.720]  If you can make it, if you've got some talent, go to it.
[01:38.780 --> 01:39.560]  You don't need to sign up.
[01:39.640 --> 01:40.880]  You can just show up and participate.
[01:41.440 --> 01:42.680]  It should be a good time.
[01:43.660 --> 01:48.900]  We still need workshop volunteers for the remainder of the workshops today and for tomorrow.
[01:48.900 --> 01:52.920]  So if you have the interest, please go to the info desk and talk to them.
[01:53.020 --> 01:54.820]  And they'll help you sign up to be a workshop volunteer.
[01:55.180 --> 01:56.420]  Use all volunteers we need.
[01:57.560 --> 02:01.160]  Please keep your phones and devices muted during the presentation.
[02:01.360 --> 02:05.420]  The audio equipment is very sensitive and we want to make sure that we can hear our speaker.
[02:05.420 --> 02:14.180]  And with that, our talk today is on Being the Digital Nomad, Finding Refuge in Building a Life by Elior Sterling.
[02:14.400 --> 02:16.800]  So without further ado, I introduce Elior.
[02:23.950 --> 02:24.430]  Hi.
[02:25.570 --> 02:26.970]  And my computer died again.
[02:27.270 --> 02:27.530]  Hello.
[02:27.790 --> 02:28.170]  Wake up.
[02:32.610 --> 02:32.810]  Whew.
[02:33.430 --> 02:34.510]  That scared me for a moment.
[02:34.650 --> 02:38.050]  I thought it was going to do that thing that you guys said that there was happening.
[02:39.150 --> 02:39.670]  Okay.
[02:41.470 --> 02:41.990]  Yay.
[02:42.270 --> 02:42.670]  It works.
[02:43.410 --> 02:43.930]  Hi.
[02:44.150 --> 02:44.610]  I'm Elior.
[02:46.110 --> 02:47.410]  Who the heck am I?
[02:48.550 --> 02:50.130]  So, some of you guys...
[02:50.130 --> 02:52.050]  I just want to get the elephant out.
[02:52.130 --> 02:54.230]  Some of you guys may know me from previous years.
[02:54.230 --> 02:57.070]  I've been speaking at HOPE for like 10 years now.
[02:57.250 --> 03:00.770]  But through the power of testosterone, my name is a bit different.
[03:01.370 --> 03:01.590]  Yeah.
[03:01.850 --> 03:02.090]  Anyway.
[03:03.450 --> 03:05.690]  So, who am I besides that?
[03:05.690 --> 03:09.530]  A jew who grew up around a lot of holocaust refugees.
[03:10.370 --> 03:22.870]  And I started volunteering with refugees at about age 16, serving as a translator at immigration appointments and doctor's appointments and all sorts of other appointments.
[03:23.390 --> 03:26.070]  And I still volunteer to this day.
[03:26.370 --> 03:36.830]  Most recently, I've been volunteering with an organization that's located in Tijuana and San Diego, California, called Al Otro Lado.
[03:37.850 --> 03:43.650]  And I've worked with them down in Tijuana and also remotely online during the pandemic.
[03:45.730 --> 03:48.470]  I myself had to leave the U.S.
[03:48.710 --> 03:54.450]  in 1999 because I had a stalker who stalked me for seven years.
[03:54.450 --> 03:57.630]  And it was getting more and more and more dangerous.
[03:57.830 --> 04:00.590]  And I just had to get the frack out of here.
[04:02.470 --> 04:07.270]  And aside from that, I've lived and worked in a bunch of different countries.
[04:08.830 --> 04:16.470]  Even after it was safe for me to come back here to the U.S., I've continued to work in different places.
[04:16.470 --> 04:18.470]  I worked for Amazon in England.
[04:20.170 --> 04:31.150]  I've spent... I spent five-ish years, maybe a little bit more than five years working, traveling the world, and not even having an apartment here in the U.S.
[04:31.150 --> 04:35.530]  I would just go from one work deployment to the next work deployment.
[04:36.090 --> 04:45.770]  And then I'd hang out with friends on their couches or in their spare bedrooms for a week or two when I was between work projects.
[04:47.990 --> 04:52.330]  So I am pretty stressed out about the way the U.S.
[04:52.390 --> 04:55.850]  is going right now, as a lot of people are.
[04:56.070 --> 05:03.330]  But I just want to say that this talk is not just for people from the U.S.
[05:03.330 --> 05:04.510]  or people with U.S.
[05:04.610 --> 05:05.130]  passports.
[05:06.530 --> 05:09.710]  Like I said, I've been working with refugees from a lot of different countries.
[05:09.710 --> 05:19.650]  And the tricks that I'm going to talk about are relevant to people of just about any passport.
[05:20.610 --> 05:24.250]  I'm not going to say every passport because I don't know everything about every passport.
[05:24.790 --> 05:26.510]  I am not a lawyer.
[05:26.910 --> 05:32.330]  The stuff that I am sharing with you is, to me, basically life skills.
[05:32.690 --> 05:36.290]  Like I'm not an expert because I've studied the law on this.
[05:36.290 --> 05:44.270]  I am an expert because I've just traveled a lot and helped a lot of other people who also needed to travel.
[05:45.550 --> 05:52.690]  Often for reasons of safety and not just because they wanted to work in another place.
[05:52.950 --> 05:59.030]  If you happen to be a person who just wants to work in another place, this stuff will also help you.
[05:59.030 --> 06:00.170]  So bonus.
[06:04.630 --> 06:06.290]  Yeah, I just said all that.
[06:06.830 --> 06:09.710]  Alright, so let's talk about the stories I grew up on.
[06:11.170 --> 06:14.490]  Like I said, I grew up around a lot of holocaust survivors.
[06:15.450 --> 06:21.470]  I went to private jewish schools from pre-kindergarten all the way through sixth grade.
[06:21.470 --> 06:32.050]  Many of my teachers were either themselves holocaust survivors or the first generation children of holocaust survivors.
[06:32.670 --> 06:36.550]  Most of the people that my parents knew were holocaust survivors.
[06:36.950 --> 06:40.670]  My family has been in the U.S. for many generations.
[06:40.670 --> 06:43.850]  I was actually the fifth generation born in Oakland, California.
[06:43.850 --> 06:45.190]  So that's kind of weird.
[06:45.730 --> 06:50.330]  But the people I was around were people who'd had to be refugees.
[06:51.970 --> 06:54.010]  And these are the things that I heard.
[06:54.130 --> 06:58.970]  I heard people say over and over and over again that top quote.
[06:59.430 --> 07:00.750]  We saw the writing on the wall.
[07:01.350 --> 07:03.130]  Things were getting scarier and scarier.
[07:03.450 --> 07:06.090]  They were making more and more laws against us.
[07:06.330 --> 07:09.110]  People were getting more and more vicious towards us.
[07:11.050 --> 07:25.090]  Another thing I heard a lot of was that people's parents sent them off to live with their cousins or live sometimes even with strangers in the U.S. to get them away.
[07:26.270 --> 07:36.170]  Other people would talk about how a parent, usually the father, would come here first and then as soon as they got a job in an apartment, they would send for the rest of the family.
[07:36.170 --> 07:42.790]  I also heard about people who got their passports too late and couldn't get a visa to leave anymore.
[07:44.250 --> 07:55.110]  And then a lot of other families who were like that, who got stuck, ended up hiding in the house of a non-jewish family, a Christian family.
[07:56.490 --> 08:04.990]  Some of the things that I've learned from refugees are that international laws that are supposed to help refugees don't work well.
[08:06.190 --> 08:13.410]  A lot of people who have absolutely verifiable reasons to request asylum get to the country.
[08:13.810 --> 08:17.810]  This happens so much here in the United States, but it's not just a U.S. problem.
[08:18.030 --> 08:29.230]  This is every wealthy country in the world that I have ever been to and dealt with refugees trying to get help.
[08:29.230 --> 08:30.830]  I've seen this happen again and again.
[08:31.130 --> 08:37.690]  People come with all this documentation and the judges are like, nope, not enough.
[08:39.110 --> 08:41.150]  Or it's not proof enough.
[08:41.470 --> 08:44.430]  Yeah, maybe if all that stuff really happened, we'd let you stay here.
[08:44.590 --> 08:46.290]  But what you have isn't good proof.
[08:49.130 --> 08:54.710]  And I've learned that escaping life threatening danger is often a choice of the lesser of two evils.
[08:54.710 --> 09:06.050]  An example of this that is not really here on the page is that back in 1990...
[09:06.050 --> 09:07.170]  No, I'm sorry, not 1990.
[09:07.570 --> 09:07.630]  What?
[09:08.270 --> 09:11.310]  2000 and...
[09:12.190 --> 09:14.710]  2019, that's what I meant to say.
[09:16.550 --> 09:18.610]  Trump was still the president.
[09:18.910 --> 09:27.230]  I was down in Tijuana and I was helping all of these different families and hearing their stories.
[09:27.230 --> 09:51.830]  And every time I would hear what they were going through and see that they were coming to the U.S. and already feeling like the increased pressure on anybody of color, as well as a lot of people who had different issues, gay and trans people that were escaping because of the violence that was specifically targeting them because they were gay or trans.
[09:52.210 --> 09:55.630]  And I was thinking like, why are you coming to the United States?
[09:55.910 --> 10:00.410]  Like, you're going from the fire into a frying pan.
[10:01.730 --> 10:06.110]  And I mean, yeah, that's better than going from the frying pan into the fire.
[10:06.110 --> 10:09.530]  But the frying pan still ain't a nice place.
[10:09.850 --> 10:11.190]  Why are you doing this?
[10:11.550 --> 10:22.510]  And I learned from them that, you know, a lot of times you just have to pick the next safest place and don't necessarily feel like this is your end spot.
[10:22.690 --> 10:33.970]  Like if you're going to someplace that's also bad, that may just be so that you're a little bit safer right now so that you can get to where you're going to be later where you can actually make a life for yourself.
[10:37.470 --> 10:41.610]  The third sub point there, there are cats in every country on earth.
[10:41.970 --> 10:48.730]  If you've never seen an American tale, it's a cartoon from a very long time ago.
[10:48.890 --> 10:50.930]  I didn't actually look up what year it came out.
[10:52.910 --> 10:55.010]  But I think it's like a 30-year-old movie.
[10:55.330 --> 10:56.450]  Anyway, it's a cartoon.
[10:56.450 --> 11:03.370]  I highly recommend it because it will give you empathy for immigrants in general.
[11:03.370 --> 11:08.690]  But it's also a good thing to think about if you are ever going to be an immigrant yourself.
[11:09.090 --> 11:15.530]  The mice in Europe are saying, in America there are no cats.
[11:15.870 --> 11:18.670]  But of course they get to America and of course there are cats.
[11:18.670 --> 11:24.610]  So just remember, if you are a mouse, there are cats everywhere on earth.
[11:25.490 --> 11:29.010]  You're not going to escape cats completely wherever you go.
[11:31.550 --> 11:39.910]  And the place that you most want to go is possibly not your best option for where to hop next.
[11:40.430 --> 11:42.170]  Or where to hop first.
[11:45.130 --> 11:56.410]  Another thing I've learned is that a lot of people feel weird about leaving their country because they've left other people behind that are in danger.
[11:56.690 --> 11:58.570]  Or especially if they were activists.
[11:58.870 --> 12:01.970]  They're like, I'm an activist.
[12:01.970 --> 12:03.290]  I have to keep fighting.
[12:04.010 --> 12:08.290]  And it's like, well you're going to be able to fight more once you're safe.
[12:08.290 --> 12:11.570]  You won't be able to fight at all if you're dead.
[12:11.950 --> 12:15.790]  And you're not going to be able to fight much if you're in jail.
[12:16.990 --> 12:24.970]  So you can continue to do the things that are going to help the people back home once you are safe.
[12:25.410 --> 12:30.030]  And wherever you go, things where you land can be made better.
[12:30.030 --> 12:39.130]  So even if you can't necessarily help the people back home, you can do things to help people wherever you find yourself now.
[12:39.130 --> 12:41.150]  If that is your bent.
[12:42.150 --> 12:45.250]  Beware that survivor's guilt is a real thing.
[12:45.490 --> 12:49.610]  But there is help and there are many practical ways to address it.
[12:52.170 --> 13:02.950]  So, a lot of people here in the United States in particular, as every election comes up, there's people who are like, if so and so gets elected, I'm moving to Canada.
[13:03.510 --> 13:05.250]  And that's just dumb.
[13:07.290 --> 13:17.290]  So, like, this isn't about I'm just throwing a temper tantrum because I don't like the last election or something like that.
[13:17.550 --> 13:26.490]  Although, obviously, everything that's on here, if that's your deal, like, you're also going to learn how to get out of the United States if you just feel that way.
[13:28.230 --> 13:39.070]  But I would say that you should stay wherever you are, whether that's the U.S. or whatever other country you're in, if you can do more good by staying put.
[13:40.230 --> 13:57.110]  And you're not putting yourself at such a risk that your good, whatever good you could be doing is going to be negated by death, dismemberment, or, you know, lifelong being in jail.
[13:58.890 --> 14:15.050]  If you are going to put other vulnerable people at risk by leaving, like your elderly mother or your two-year-old child that your ex has custody of, that might be a good reason to stay.
[14:17.450 --> 14:24.150]  Also, if all of the good people go away, then only the baddies stay, right?
[14:24.150 --> 14:37.890]  So, if you're not in a lot of danger yourself and you are somebody who is willing to help push things in a positive direction, you know, stay put.
[14:38.290 --> 14:50.710]  See what you can do through, you know, whether it's just through voting or whether it's through much more comprehensive, nonviolent conflict.
[14:52.170 --> 14:53.110]  Stay put.
[14:53.490 --> 14:54.510]  Do those things.
[14:56.110 --> 15:02.650]  And if you have just generally enough privilege to protect you, it might be better to just stay.
[15:02.830 --> 15:07.430]  Because let me tell you, being an immigrant is hard.
[15:07.970 --> 15:15.730]  It doesn't matter how much you already know the language of the place that you're going to, you are going to experience culture shock.
[15:15.730 --> 15:22.450]  You may experience, like, a moment of culture shock that seems, you know, paralyzing.
[15:22.730 --> 15:34.190]  But more to the point, you're going to experience lots of moments of culture shock over the course, especially of the first year to two years that you're living wherever you're living.
[15:34.190 --> 15:38.670]  And everything you have to navigate is just very difficult.
[15:40.210 --> 15:41.650]  Why you should go.
[15:41.790 --> 15:42.270]  Absolutely.
[15:42.670 --> 15:50.790]  If you are a member of a targeted group and are in danger, not just right this minute.
[15:51.290 --> 15:53.710]  Like, you see the writing on the wall.
[15:53.910 --> 15:58.410]  They are coming after people like you already.
[15:58.410 --> 16:00.910]  So let's get out of here.
[16:02.330 --> 16:05.290]  You're not able to help much by staying put.
[16:05.610 --> 16:09.410]  The way that you're helping today is already online, remote.
[16:10.590 --> 16:15.350]  The fact that you're physically present is not the main thing that you're doing.
[16:15.750 --> 16:16.470]  Go ahead.
[16:16.710 --> 16:17.350]  Get out of here.
[16:19.010 --> 16:25.130]  If you realize that you could actually help more by being in a safer place, get out of here.
[16:25.130 --> 16:33.250]  If you have vulnerable people that you must protect by getting them out of wherever you are, do that.
[16:33.870 --> 16:58.870]  A good example of this is right now there are a lot of families in Texas who have already just in the last couple of months had to leave Texas because of the governor's order that any family with a trans child should be put under CPS investigation.
[16:59.290 --> 17:07.390]  So the parents may be in a great position personally, but their family in general is at risk and their kids are definitely at risk.
[17:07.510 --> 17:09.450]  So they need to get out.
[17:10.190 --> 17:11.390]  At least of Texas.
[17:13.070 --> 17:13.710]  All right.
[17:13.950 --> 17:18.310]  So let's get down to the thing that you actually came here to find out.
[17:18.430 --> 17:19.330]  How can I move abroad?
[17:19.330 --> 17:24.670]  So let's start with, like, the big thing.
[17:24.810 --> 17:26.270]  Do you have $150,000?
[17:26.710 --> 17:26.910]  Woo!
[17:27.250 --> 17:27.930]  You win!
[17:28.310 --> 17:40.390]  You can literally buy citizenship for as little as $100,000 investment plus legal fees in St. Lucia and Antigua and in Barbuda.
[17:40.390 --> 17:48.830]  And then you will have a passport that you can use to travel to 146 or 150 countries.
[17:50.450 --> 17:51.550]  What's that word?
[17:51.890 --> 17:52.590]  Correspondingly.
[17:53.410 --> 17:59.510]  You can also get a residence visa in Denmark with an investment of just 100,000 euros.
[18:00.570 --> 18:10.470]  Bolivia's investor visa requires a $30,000 U.S. dollar investment and Brazil is just $40,000.
[18:10.970 --> 18:21.510]  Although Brazil, which used to be safer for most of the people who are at most risk in the U.S. today, is a little bit less so.
[18:21.510 --> 18:25.490]  So, you know, check where you're going.
[18:27.470 --> 18:36.790]  If you want to find out whether the country that you're interested in has an investor visa, you'd be surprised how many of them do.
[18:37.070 --> 18:39.730]  Just look up country name investor visa.
[18:41.170 --> 18:45.630]  You're going to get a lot of lawyers that pop up with that.
[18:46.930 --> 18:50.470]  Do some research about those lawyers before you reach out to any of them.
[18:51.330 --> 18:55.990]  There is one legal company that I've put the link here to.
[18:56.330 --> 18:58.690]  It's not because I'm telling you that they're great.
[18:58.790 --> 19:00.770]  I don't know them from Adam.
[19:00.930 --> 19:05.490]  I just know that they're well known and used a lot.
[19:05.490 --> 19:11.070]  But how good they are, I can't say one way or the other because I've never interacted with them personally.
[19:11.330 --> 19:31.010]  But they do have on their website a very useful handy dandy PDF that you can request from them that will give you a lot of information about moving to another country or getting citizenship through an investment visa.
[19:32.830 --> 19:39.790]  And they and lots of other lawyers will basically just take your money and make everything happen for you.
[19:39.930 --> 19:40.970]  And there you go.
[19:41.110 --> 19:41.830]  You've got your visa.
[19:41.990 --> 19:42.830]  You can go away.
[19:43.110 --> 19:43.470]  Yay.
[19:45.890 --> 19:50.290]  A lot of countries have something called an immigration point system.
[19:50.770 --> 19:55.890]  Now, every country calls their immigration point system something different.
[19:55.890 --> 19:59.210]  But somewhere it'll say point system.
[20:00.730 --> 20:12.130]  The deal with this is that if you have enough points in their sort of matrix of things that they want in immigrants, you just automatically get a residence visa.
[20:12.830 --> 20:18.070]  So look up your country that you're interested in.
[20:18.070 --> 20:24.670]  Find out if they have some sort of points system and check to see if you fit.
[20:25.110 --> 20:27.190]  You will be surprised.
[20:27.590 --> 20:32.430]  Sometimes you're like, well, I definitely can't do this because I don't have a bachelor's degree.
[20:32.430 --> 20:35.250]  And you have to have a bachelor's degree to have enough points on these.
[20:35.470 --> 20:41.790]  Well, you might have something else that raises up your points in another area that will surprise you.
[20:41.790 --> 20:45.950]  So don't just think it's not going to happen.
[20:46.610 --> 20:50.470]  I'm going to come back to disabled people a little bit later.
[20:51.150 --> 21:04.330]  I want to, like, right now just say a lot of times disabled people will not even look at immigration point systems because they think that their disability just wipes them out.
[21:04.330 --> 21:05.070]  No.
[21:05.510 --> 21:06.150]  Check.
[21:06.530 --> 21:07.790]  Check your points.
[21:08.030 --> 21:18.270]  Because you may have enough points from other things that it will overwhelm whatever points you've lost for having a disability.
[21:19.510 --> 21:32.710]  For Canada in particular, search for express entry on their immigration website and you'll be able to learn about their immigration by point system.
[21:32.710 --> 21:38.990]  By the way, they have province level ones and they also have a federal level one.
[21:39.190 --> 21:42.150]  And the wording on it sounds a little bit confusing.
[21:42.330 --> 21:44.370]  At least to me it was when I first learned about it.
[21:44.470 --> 21:47.610]  I was like, oh, so the federal ones are so you can get a federal job.
[21:47.830 --> 21:48.190]  No.
[21:48.430 --> 21:52.410]  It's just, like, for the whole country as opposed to just going to one state.
[21:52.410 --> 22:09.650]  So, like, if you happen to be good at French, you can get a different kind of visa through express entry with your points where they're counting the points slightly differently, specifically to go to Quebec.
[22:10.850 --> 22:13.210]  So, a thing to think about.
[22:14.090 --> 22:16.530]  Vital skills get you visas.
[22:16.910 --> 22:23.010]  Now, this is a hacker conference and so there are a lot of people here with very vital skills.
[22:25.670 --> 22:32.930]  Computer programmers are considered vital skills whether or not you have a degree.
[22:33.670 --> 22:43.910]  However, however, if you do not have a degree, even if you have a lot of years of experience, I highly recommend going out and doing a bunch of certs.
[22:44.370 --> 22:48.670]  The certs that you're like, these are stupid.
[22:49.130 --> 22:51.090]  They have nothing to do with my job.
[22:51.890 --> 22:58.350]  Some of those certs are given equivalence of a degree in some countries.
[22:58.610 --> 23:02.590]  An example of this is the CISSP cert.
[23:02.950 --> 23:10.270]  If you happen to qualify for that, that is considered a master's degree in most of Europe.
[23:10.770 --> 23:11.870]  I know.
[23:12.210 --> 23:12.990]  The laughter.
[23:13.190 --> 23:13.550]  That's great.
[23:15.650 --> 23:20.530]  So, this is the one reason you should definitely get certs.
[23:22.770 --> 23:29.170]  The Netherlands is one country that has special programs to help reduce the cost of migrating there.
[23:29.410 --> 23:34.890]  If you have computer skills, whether it's programming, IT, Infosec.
[23:35.290 --> 23:43.730]  They've also got a whole bunch of other specific areas of interest that they're looking for.
[23:43.950 --> 23:49.110]  So, check their immigration websites for what other kinds of vital skills.
[23:49.110 --> 23:56.670]  New Zealand has a specific site for immigration to fill skills shortages.
[23:57.710 --> 24:01.810]  Skillsshortages.immigration.govt.nz.
[24:02.610 --> 24:16.550]  And of course, I think most of the people in this room probably could get a skills shortage visa because you'd be surprised the number of different things that are on that list.
[24:16.550 --> 24:17.990]  If you're under 55.
[24:20.390 --> 24:25.610]  So, I did not see an age limit on the New Zealand one.
[24:25.930 --> 24:35.150]  Some countries have age limits and some don't because as long as you're willing to guarantee that you're going to work for a certain amount of time, they don't care.
[24:35.150 --> 24:38.050]  Like, it's about guaranteeing that you're going to work a certain amount of time.
[24:40.870 --> 24:45.850]  So, and that, by the way, like, this is for residency.
[24:46.670 --> 24:52.390]  Getting a work visa, like, you can be 65 or 75.
[24:52.410 --> 24:56.210]  If you've got a job, you can still get the work visa.
[24:56.210 --> 25:00.530]  So, and that's the next slide.
[25:02.770 --> 25:10.090]  So, if you want to get a job so that you can get a visa, you will find that it's a little bit difficult.
[25:10.390 --> 25:24.610]  A lot of people, a lot of places say that they want people, they even want foreign employees, but they want you physically local for them to interview face-to-face before they'll make a decision.
[25:24.610 --> 25:34.310]  But that is changing more and more, especially with people getting more used to remote learning, remote work.
[25:35.710 --> 25:41.130]  So, network online to meet people in your field, in your target country.
[25:41.430 --> 25:43.510]  And I keep talking about target country.
[25:44.070 --> 25:50.770]  For some people, it's best to sort of, when you first start out, pick several different countries.
[25:50.770 --> 25:57.030]  And, you know, then as things start to come together, then you narrow down and say, okay, I'm going for this one.
[25:58.070 --> 26:02.610]  But if you've already got a pretty good idea that you're going to get one place, then that's your target country.
[26:04.030 --> 26:06.950]  So, attend a conference in your target country.
[26:06.950 --> 26:14.970]  That's a great way to get to speak to people, also to get to travel there and look around and see what it's like.
[26:15.070 --> 26:27.650]  And it will also give you an opportunity to apply to jobs and then go to the job interviews during the time that you're traveling to the country for that conference.
[26:28.970 --> 26:35.070]  You can also go on a tourist visa, just randomly, and look for jobs while you're there.
[26:36.910 --> 26:39.110]  You can apply to jobs online.
[26:39.470 --> 26:42.310]  And there are a couple of websites up here.
[26:43.430 --> 26:51.930]  RelocateMe.eu and WeAreDevelopers.com specifically help people find jobs in countries that they are not presently in.
[26:53.130 --> 27:03.390]  You can also, if you happen to work for a big company that has offices overseas, you can apply to transfer within the company you already work for.
[27:03.810 --> 27:13.270]  They will generally... if they're going to transfer you, they will generally take care of your work visa for getting over there.
[27:13.270 --> 27:21.570]  Once you get over there, if you're like, I actually want to ditch this country, then you get to work... or ditch this country, ditch this company.
[27:22.390 --> 27:36.050]  Then while you're settled in and working at your job in the new country, you can start looking for whatever the next job is, and then you can transfer your work visa to your new job.
[27:37.990 --> 27:38.590]  All right.
[27:38.830 --> 27:39.570]  Family ties.
[27:40.270 --> 27:43.170]  Do you have any close family living in another country?
[27:43.530 --> 27:45.410]  They may be able to sponsor you.
[27:46.470 --> 27:52.910]  This is also a good one for people who know that they are not going to be able to work at all or much longer.
[27:53.210 --> 27:56.430]  Your family may be able to sponsor you anyway.
[27:58.790 --> 28:00.550]  Family ties part two.
[28:01.470 --> 28:06.950]  Was one of your parents or grandparents an immigrant to the country where you live now?
[28:07.470 --> 28:19.370]  Look up the immigration rules for the countries that each of your grandparents and or parents was born in, because many countries have repatriation immigration.
[28:19.750 --> 28:25.530]  And that repatriation immigration will sometimes come with basically an automatic passport.
[28:25.530 --> 28:27.670]  So you're a citizen from day one.
[28:29.310 --> 28:33.330]  And sometimes that repatriation involves getting a residence visa.
[28:33.430 --> 28:41.030]  And then after you've been there for two years, four years, five years, whatever their rules are, then you get your passport.
[28:42.370 --> 28:43.790]  Family ties part three.
[28:44.190 --> 28:45.290]  Making Aliyah.
[28:45.490 --> 28:46.590]  Moving to Israel.
[28:46.850 --> 28:51.370]  If you are jewish, you can move to Israel.
[28:51.490 --> 28:52.150]  That's what I did.
[28:53.930 --> 29:13.590]  Now, I know that some people are howling at horror at the thought of moving to Israel because of the way that you feel politically about Israel as a country, but I would like those of you who are leftists like me and who believe that Palestinians deserve a country like I do,
[29:13.590 --> 29:21.290]  that you can do more good for the Palestinians while you're living in Israel and voting in Israel.
[29:21.470 --> 29:29.350]  In fact, believe it or not, you can vote for Arab parties in the Israeli parliament if that's your deal.
[29:29.350 --> 29:32.910]  You can't do that from the U.S.
[29:33.410 --> 29:34.790]  with your American passport.
[29:35.470 --> 29:46.010]  You can also do a lot more on the ground activism and work and things that are going to be beneficial to people, way more beneficial than holding up a sign at a protest.
[29:46.330 --> 29:55.710]  So even if that is your political stand, there are still good reasons, good things to do while you're on the ground in Israel.
[29:55.710 --> 30:00.110]  And that Israeli passport will give you privileges that your U.S.
[30:00.490 --> 30:01.350]  passport doesn't give you.
[30:02.190 --> 30:09.190]  So some years back, I was able to work in Europe without a work visa.
[30:09.930 --> 30:11.970]  Now, if I was going there on my U.S.
[30:12.050 --> 30:14.690]  passport, I would not have been able to do that.
[30:14.770 --> 30:16.310]  I would have had to have gotten a work visa.
[30:16.530 --> 30:26.430]  But because I had an Israeli passport, I could work in Europe, in this case in France, for six months without getting a visa.
[30:26.850 --> 30:30.490]  So it's like a tourist visa waiver, but it's like a work visa waiver.
[30:30.730 --> 30:32.310]  So you can't do that on a U.S.
[30:32.410 --> 30:32.790]  passport.
[30:33.090 --> 30:39.730]  And that, like I said before, you may be taking your first hop to something that gets you safe.
[30:40.090 --> 30:44.270]  And then using that as the tool to do the other things that you're going to do.
[30:45.970 --> 30:54.610]  Oh, by the way, did you know if you are Hispanic or Latinx?
[30:54.830 --> 30:58.310]  I guess Portuguese descendant is Latinx and not Hispanic.
[30:58.550 --> 31:09.250]  If you can trace your ancestry back to somebody who was expelled from Spain or Portugal, you may have a route to instant citizenship in Portugal.
[31:10.150 --> 31:16.070]  There was an immigration law for Spain, but that has ended.
[31:17.030 --> 31:20.190]  However, the program in Portugal is ongoing.
[31:20.730 --> 31:35.350]  So if you happen to be Hispanic and you know nothing of your family's history, start out by looking up your last name and see if it's likely to be a Sephardi last name.
[31:35.350 --> 31:38.510]  You would be surprised, Hernandez Martinez.
[31:40.290 --> 31:45.370]  Then start doing some research, working your way up the family tree.
[31:45.730 --> 31:57.290]  Keep following the Spanish line up the family tree or the Portuguese line up your family tree and see if you can find the person who left the Iberian Peninsula because they were expelled.
[31:57.290 --> 32:04.130]  And if they happened to be jewish, then you might be able to get that passport.
[32:05.650 --> 32:06.350]  All right.
[32:07.030 --> 32:10.330]  Marriage is what brings us together today.
[32:11.950 --> 32:16.190]  Getting married for a visa is generally a terrible idea.
[32:16.430 --> 32:17.530]  Don't do it.
[32:18.050 --> 32:22.810]  You are more vulnerable to domestic violence if your visa is based on marriage.
[32:22.810 --> 32:28.750]  And if you are caught having a marriage of convenience, you get deported.
[32:29.650 --> 32:36.190]  And you're going to get deported from the country that you came from, not to the country that you want to go to next.
[32:36.610 --> 32:40.710]  So don't do that as a matter of convenience.
[32:40.910 --> 32:56.870]  However, if you do happen to actually be in love with somebody who happens to have citizenship in another country, and maybe you've been living together for the last three years and you guys both hate marriage, think it's a stupid thing, get married.
[32:57.450 --> 33:04.330]  And then you guys can go both live in the place that's safer for you if that place happens to be safer.
[33:04.670 --> 33:15.150]  Also, they may have a passport which gives you both opportunities to live in other places that the passport that you have doesn't allow you.
[33:17.270 --> 33:18.090]  All right.
[33:18.430 --> 33:19.970]  Migrating as a disabled person.
[33:20.310 --> 33:23.570]  It is not easy, but it is not impossible.
[33:24.070 --> 33:28.390]  When people tell you that no country will take a disabled immigrant, they are flat wrong.
[33:28.810 --> 33:49.170]  In fact, if you look up disabled immigrants EU, you will find that the EU government actually is very concerned about the fact that disabled immigrants are falling through the cracks and they need to do more to reach out to them and make sure that they're getting the services that they need.
[33:49.350 --> 33:53.690]  They wouldn't have to have that if they didn't have disabled immigrants, right?
[33:54.310 --> 33:54.830]  Okay.
[33:55.110 --> 34:01.330]  You will definitely need to do extra research to make sure that the accessibility that you need is available to you.
[34:02.930 --> 34:04.530]  But you can do it.
[34:05.030 --> 34:07.030]  I've put a couple of links here.
[34:07.330 --> 34:29.870]  By the way, after this talk, or any time really, you can go on the wiki and if you just look up, just like type into the search on the wiki beyond the digital nomad, you'll find all of these slides on the wiki so you can click through the links.
[34:32.430 --> 34:33.210]  All right.
[34:33.850 --> 34:35.670]  Migrating as a trans person.
[34:36.230 --> 34:37.870]  There's a three-part problem.
[34:38.270 --> 34:39.430]  Can you get a visa?
[34:39.930 --> 34:41.850]  Is it safe where you're going?
[34:42.230 --> 34:44.430]  And will you be able to get healthcare continuity?
[34:46.550 --> 34:53.310]  So I guess all of these are also issues for disabled people, especially the healthcare continuity.
[34:53.310 --> 35:08.750]  One of the things that helps in both of those cases is to network with people who are like you in the country that you are thinking of moving to, because they will help you to navigate all of the vagaries of the system where you're going.
[35:08.750 --> 35:13.770]  There is an org that can help you, transrescue.org.
[35:14.390 --> 35:21.870]  They have added the United States, the UK, and Brazil to the countries that they will help people get out of.
[35:24.510 --> 35:27.650]  Then there's the nomadic escape hatch.
[35:28.330 --> 35:40.650]  Let's say you've gone through all of these things, you've done all of your research, you've tried all the different angles, and you still can't get a work visa or a residence visa, but you want to get out now.
[35:41.890 --> 35:45.210]  You might be able to manage the nomadic life for a while.
[35:46.110 --> 35:50.950]  Stay in any country as long as your tourist visa or visa waiver allows you to.
[35:51.510 --> 35:58.990]  Move to another country when your visa is up, at least for the minimum required time before you return to the country you were just in.
[35:59.850 --> 36:06.610]  What you're going to need to be able to do that, you're going to need a source of income from some kind of remote work or freelancing.
[36:07.990 --> 36:13.450]  Depending on where you're living, you can get by with a very small income.
[36:13.790 --> 36:19.690]  And since you're only traveling on tourist visas, most places aren't actually looking at your income.
[36:21.250 --> 36:32.190]  Back in the 80s when I used to travel, I'd actually have to bring proof of my bank statements showing that I had income for a certain number of months.
[36:32.870 --> 36:37.090]  I haven't experienced that at all since 2000.
[36:37.390 --> 36:45.470]  I can't think of a single time that I've been asked to prove that I have money anywhere just to travel on tourist visas or visa waivers.
[36:46.390 --> 36:50.610]  You will need a permanent address in the country where your passport is from.
[36:51.130 --> 36:57.950]  I did not have a permanent address in the United States for a long time, as I think I mentioned earlier.
[37:00.190 --> 37:04.410]  And that got me in a little bit of trouble a couple of times.
[37:04.590 --> 37:10.710]  So what I ended up doing was asking a friend to let me use their address.
[37:10.710 --> 37:17.450]  And then once I had an address, even though I never stepped foot in that address, whatever.
[37:18.210 --> 37:19.290]  Move right along.
[37:19.310 --> 37:20.750]  You can come into the country.
[37:22.130 --> 37:24.090]  You need to have a lot of flexibility.
[37:24.990 --> 37:33.430]  You're going to experience different living country, different living conditions, new cultures, all kinds of bumps in the road.
[37:34.370 --> 37:39.830]  You need to have a really good sense of humor because this is not for the faint of heart.
[37:40.050 --> 37:50.810]  This nomadic escape hatch I was explaining earlier that this is basically really an option for people who already have PTSD.
[37:51.550 --> 38:00.910]  Because if you already have PTSD, you're always going to be thinking about three or four different alternate plans for if this thing goes wrong, then I'll do this.
[38:00.910 --> 38:02.810]  But if that goes wrong, then I'll do this other thing.
[38:03.530 --> 38:09.530]  And so every time a bump along the road hits, you've already got like six different backup plans.
[38:10.950 --> 38:21.230]  If you try to do this and you do not already have PTSD, maybe sit down and spend some time with some people who over plan for things.
[38:21.230 --> 38:26.090]  Because that will help you with your flexibility, really.
[38:28.950 --> 38:31.570]  Remember, Europe is not the only continent.
[38:32.970 --> 38:34.810]  A historic note here.
[38:35.050 --> 38:44.010]  Many families escaping the holocaust moved to Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and other Latin American countries if they couldn't get into the U.S.
[38:45.690 --> 38:50.650]  And many of those families did quite well in the countries that they landed in.
[38:50.970 --> 38:55.970]  So you don't have to worry about what's going to happen three generations from now.
[38:56.110 --> 38:59.190]  Three generations from now, your kids are going to have to...
[38:59.190 --> 39:03.390]  Your great-great-grandchildren are going to have to make their own decision about where they live.
[39:03.730 --> 39:08.050]  Right now, you have to worry about you and your family today.
[39:09.390 --> 39:13.450]  Do your research, network with people before you go to wherever you're going.
[39:13.910 --> 39:18.270]  If at all possible, visit first before you make your permanent move.
[39:19.210 --> 39:33.410]  Or at least on that first visit, on that first trip, if you are going and you've left everything behind, have a return ticket so that you can come back quickly.
[39:33.410 --> 39:36.690]  If you're like, oh no, this was a bad idea.
[39:38.510 --> 39:39.330]  All right.
[39:39.750 --> 39:41.190]  Any questions?
[39:45.410 --> 39:47.230]  Back there in the blue shirt.
[39:47.810 --> 39:50.590]  You mentioned how for...
[39:55.400 --> 40:03.220]  So if you are working not for an employer in that same country, that's fine.
[40:03.520 --> 40:03.860]  Okay.
[40:03.980 --> 40:04.900]  So remote work is fine?
[40:05.180 --> 40:06.130]  Remote work.
[40:06.130 --> 40:18.280]  So if you're working for a company in the United States and your butt is sat in France or Thailand or whatever, they don't care.
[40:18.500 --> 40:24.020]  What they're worried about is you taking local jobs without having the appropriate visa.
[40:26.680 --> 40:28.140]  Where do you pay tax?
[40:30.950 --> 40:40.010]  Okay, so this question was, where do you pay tax while you're moving around like this?
[40:40.190 --> 40:48.310]  So as a U.S. citizen, you're going to have to pay taxes in the U.S. whether you live in the U.S. or not, unless you give up your U.S. citizenship.
[40:50.430 --> 40:57.510]  It's kind of annoying trying to, you know, deal with the tax returns at the end of the year for the U.S. in those situations.
[40:58.430 --> 41:06.410]  But generally speaking, you're going to have to pay tax in the country that you're actually working in, usually.
[41:06.650 --> 41:10.550]  Like, not actually working in like your butt is sat there, but where your employer is from.
[41:10.550 --> 41:34.110]  If you're doing freelance work and you're not in the country as a resident, not in the country as a citizen, not in the country on a work visa, then generally speaking, your income is kind of irrelevant to them, except that you're not pulling on their resources,
[41:34.290 --> 41:34.410]  right?
[41:34.410 --> 41:40.710]  So you're going to pay taxes, usually in the place where your passport is from.
[41:41.550 --> 41:48.830]  Again, this is depending on where your passport is from, and where you're living, tax rules are going to be different.
[41:49.190 --> 41:54.290]  So I'm also not a tax accountant in any country.
[41:56.490 --> 42:04.310]  But yeah, generally speaking, I've always paid taxes in the country where my employer was.
[42:04.310 --> 42:05.790]  If I had like an employer.
[42:09.530 --> 42:09.970]  Yes?
[42:10.930 --> 42:12.510]  My information is like 10 years old.
[42:12.590 --> 42:15.130]  I used to work in Norway, but I had to...
[42:15.130 --> 42:19.090]  When I was going to work with you, I had to prove that like nobody else could do my job in the EU.
[42:19.350 --> 42:21.110]  Is that still a requirement or...?
[42:21.110 --> 42:32.230]  So the question is, in the situation that he's talking about, he had to prove that nobody else in the EU could do his job.
[42:32.230 --> 42:41.990]  Now, I know that under some visas, you do have to, you know, do that to prove that nobody else could do your job.
[42:42.510 --> 42:59.570]  But I think that there's more of an openness right now to realize that it's not so much that nobody in the whole country can do this one job, but that in general, the country needs more people that fit that job role.
[42:59.770 --> 43:07.250]  And so they're hiring people in, you know, for the skill set rather than this one job.
[43:07.250 --> 43:25.130]  But when it comes to work visas that are attached to a specific country and a specific job, yes, sometimes the way that it's set up and the way that it's worded is like, are you hiring this person because they're the only person in the whole wide world who could do this job?
[43:26.030 --> 43:29.270]  And you don't... you personally don't have to worry about that.
[43:29.390 --> 43:32.770]  The company that's hiring you and their lawyers, they get to deal with that.
[43:37.270 --> 43:37.950]  Yes?
[43:38.430 --> 43:43.250]  Are there any additional challenges with traveling like this with family, with kids?
[43:43.510 --> 43:49.270]  So he was just asking, are there additional challenges with traveling with family, with kids?
[43:49.990 --> 43:51.950]  He has some prior knowledge.
[43:51.950 --> 43:54.750]  I traveled with my three children.
[43:56.390 --> 44:00.070]  All of those travels, all of those things I just described, yes.
[44:00.830 --> 44:03.410]  Mostly as a single parent, though, not entirely.
[44:05.550 --> 44:11.630]  So one of the challenges is different school systems in all the different places.
[44:12.010 --> 44:19.470]  So you're going to have to make some decisions, find out everything you can about the schools where you're going to.
[44:20.990 --> 44:24.470]  So one thing I didn't explain earlier...
[44:25.090 --> 44:30.470]  So I have three kids, the oldest and the youngest, always homeschooled.
[44:32.930 --> 44:38.750]  From 1999 on, I homeschooled them because it was just easier.
[44:38.970 --> 44:42.870]  But my middle kid is so stubborn.
[44:42.970 --> 44:44.890]  I have no idea where she gets her stubbornness from.
[44:45.170 --> 44:46.210]  No idea whatsoever.
[44:47.390 --> 44:52.930]  But she wanted to go to public school, specifically public school, wherever we went.
[44:53.430 --> 44:56.470]  Now this girl, she went to school in English.
[44:56.490 --> 44:58.150]  She went to school in Spanish.
[44:58.150 --> 44:59.910]  She went to school in Hebrew.
[44:59.910 --> 45:09.690]  She actually had to do matriculation exams, which is like high school graduation exams, in Hebrew, the year that she arrived in Israel.
[45:10.130 --> 45:17.350]  Because technically it had been too many years since she got her citizenship.
[45:17.350 --> 45:25.970]  And so she no longer qualified to be able to do this in English.
[45:26.410 --> 45:33.270]  So yeah, that is going to be a challenge, getting your kids settled into schools.
[45:33.690 --> 45:38.290]  Basically, if the adults can get a visa, the kids can come along, generally.
[45:38.290 --> 45:48.090]  Your kids under the age of 18, in some cases under the ages of 21 or 24, depending on the country, will be able to follow you as long as you get a visa.
[45:48.850 --> 45:57.410]  And in many cases, but not all, if one spouse gets a visa, the other spouse gets a tag-along visa.
[45:57.410 --> 46:00.650]  Although the second spouse may or may not be allowed to work.
[46:00.650 --> 46:06.790]  So that is totally dependent on the country and the kind of visa that you have and a bunch of other vagaries.
[46:09.370 --> 46:11.670]  All right, we have one question from Natrix Chat.
[46:13.670 --> 46:16.690]  Krabbypants asked, could you talk a little about having to give up U.S.
[46:17.210 --> 46:19.270]  citizenship if you acquire citizenship elsewhere?
[46:20.470 --> 46:31.210]  OK, so there are some countries where, if you take their citizenship, you have to give up whatever citizenship you had before.
[46:31.550 --> 46:32.030]  The U.S.
[46:32.030 --> 46:32.950]  is one of those countries.
[46:33.530 --> 46:39.690]  If you, you know, say you were a Guatemalan citizen previously, and now you want U.S.
[46:40.150 --> 46:44.690]  citizenship, you have to give up your Guatemalan citizenship in order to take your U.S.
[46:44.770 --> 46:45.170]  citizenship.
[46:47.230 --> 46:50.730]  However, there are many countries that don't care.
[46:51.010 --> 46:53.330]  They don't care how many citizenships you have.
[46:53.490 --> 46:55.590]  So you don't have to give up anything.
[46:56.310 --> 47:04.650]  Now, the U.S. does not... they don't recognize other citizenships.
[47:04.790 --> 47:06.790]  So I have two citizenships.
[47:07.070 --> 47:10.110]  Each of my children has three citizenships.
[47:10.110 --> 47:16.410]  When any of us is in the United States, we're just U.S. citizens.
[47:16.410 --> 47:22.050]  As far as the U.S. government is concerned, they care not about anything else, right?
[47:22.310 --> 47:27.790]  You can't come into the U.S. on a different passport if you are a U.S. citizen.
[47:30.770 --> 47:43.550]  Now, if you are a U.S. citizen and you get another passport after being a U.S. citizen, if that country doesn't care, you don't have to give up your U.S. citizenship.
[47:44.210 --> 47:51.250]  Like, the U.S. is not demanding that you give up your U.S. citizenship because you got Danish citizenship.
[47:51.490 --> 47:59.090]  I believe Denmark requires you to give up your U.S. citizenship or any other citizenship in order to get a Danish passport.
[47:59.090 --> 48:04.650]  But say, I don't know, Brazil, I think, doesn't care.
[48:06.170 --> 48:08.530]  I know the UK doesn't care.
[48:08.730 --> 48:16.890]  So if you get your UK citizenship, you can still keep your Israeli or Turkish or U.S. passport.
[48:17.070 --> 48:17.830]  Like, they don't care.
[48:18.110 --> 48:19.470]  So it just depends.
[48:20.310 --> 48:20.830]  Yes?
[48:20.830 --> 48:37.950]  I don't know if they still do this, but I'm aware of situations where an American married a foreigner, and she acquired her citizenship in America, and American authorities told her she had to renounce her previous citizenship.
[48:38.130 --> 48:38.830]  That's right.
[48:38.890 --> 48:40.750]  They were trying to trick her.
[48:43.710 --> 48:45.310]  It's not the rule you're saying.
[48:45.310 --> 48:46.190]  That's
[48:49.210 --> 48:53.650]  renounce their foreign citizenship, although you might try to deceive them into doing so.
[48:53.890 --> 48:57.430]  And they actually have a policy of deceiving you into doing so.
[48:57.550 --> 48:59.870]  So this is interesting information.
[49:00.510 --> 49:04.730]  So the gentleman over here is saying that...
[49:05.330 --> 49:20.410]  First off, he said that somebody he knew, his wife was going to get U.S. citizenship, and they told her that she had to renounce her other foreign citizenship in order to get her U.S. citizenship.
[49:20.750 --> 49:23.510]  That is what I have seen again and again and again.
[49:23.750 --> 49:27.990]  And he says they are deceiving the immigrant.
[49:28.930 --> 49:34.570]  The rule is that they can't actually force the immigrant to give up their other citizenship.
[49:37.010 --> 49:37.570]  Sorry.
[49:38.670 --> 49:41.190]  I should have turned off the going to sleep part.
[49:41.470 --> 49:42.010]  My bad.
[49:43.630 --> 49:49.290]  So that it is not true that they can't force you to give up your other citizenship.
[49:49.690 --> 49:52.030]  So I don't know.
[49:52.970 --> 49:57.790]  I would say ask an immigration lawyer if you're in a situation like that.
[49:59.170 --> 50:02.370]  Oh, one other thing about giving up your U.S. citizenship.
[50:03.430 --> 50:14.630]  There are good, valid reasons to give up your U.S. citizenship if you are outside of the country, even if you do plan to come back here to visit someday.
[50:16.070 --> 50:20.650]  But be aware that they can be fickle about that.
[50:21.050 --> 50:34.590]  There have been periods in our history, as in in my lifetime, not as in the far back history, in which if you gave up your U.S. citizenship, you were not allowed to come back into the country for 10 years.
[50:35.850 --> 50:38.410]  So I don't believe that they are doing that right now.
[50:38.530 --> 50:40.590]  But it has been a thing in the past.
[50:41.190 --> 50:57.550]  So make sure that if you are giving up your U.S. citizenship for any reason, that you talk to a competent counsel of some sort to find out what that's going to mean for you if there's some reason why you need to come back to the U.S.
[51:00.250 --> 51:01.310]  Any other questions?
[51:03.850 --> 51:06.430]  OK, so we're almost done for time.
[51:06.430 --> 51:12.090]  So I'm going to take the black and green back there first.
[51:12.130 --> 51:13.530]  And if we've still got time, I'll get you again.
[51:36.850 --> 51:42.530]  So I think that the best place to go for those answers would actually be transrescue.org.
[51:43.730 --> 51:48.090]  Because they actually have the list of all of that for all the countries.
[51:48.450 --> 51:50.530]  And it's going to be different.
[51:50.850 --> 51:54.370]  And some places very wonky and some places super easy.
[51:54.550 --> 51:57.410]  Like, oh, yes, it makes sense.
[51:58.410 --> 51:59.510]  Moving right along.
[51:59.770 --> 51:59.970]  Whatever.
[52:00.530 --> 52:00.610]  Right?
[52:00.730 --> 52:08.430]  And other places are going to be like, you know, let's have your DNA and your first born even if you're never going to have children.
[52:10.110 --> 52:10.630]  OK.
[52:10.630 --> 52:11.310]  All right.
[52:11.450 --> 52:12.590]  We are out of time.
[52:12.770 --> 52:14.050]  I apologize for the last question.
[52:14.230 --> 52:25.090]  If you have it, go ahead and ask out in the hallway or enter it into the Matrix chat so that the Matrix chat will persist for the rest of the conference and beyond so you can continue to communicate and ask questions through that.
[52:25.350 --> 52:28.910]  Thank you very much both for the audience and for LARP for presenting.
[52:30.050 --> 52:30.710]  Thank you.
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[52:40.770 --> 52:41.030]  We have a couple of questions.
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