[00:00.000 --> 00:06.000]  ...dragged me to bed the way girlfriends typically drag people to bed, and I should probably stop talking about this right now.
[00:08.200 --> 00:11.440]  Okay, so how many of you guys have been to a previous HOPE before?
[00:12.680 --> 00:15.180]  Okay, let's do the countdown here.
[00:15.260 --> 00:17.500]  How many of you guys were at The Last HOPE?
[00:19.920 --> 00:21.000]  Alright, how many...
[00:21.980 --> 00:25.000]  Okay, Ted, we're not talking about Burning Man here, you can calm down now.
[00:26.360 --> 00:28.200]  How many of you guys were at HOPE Number Six?
[00:28.440 --> 00:28.960]  Same difference.
[00:30.080 --> 00:32.120]  How many of you guys were at the Fifth HOPE?
[00:34.760 --> 00:35.260]  H2K2?
[00:37.140 --> 00:37.640]  H2K?
[00:41.520 --> 00:42.380]  Beyond HOPE?
[00:44.720 --> 00:46.000]  Did I forget one?
[00:48.280 --> 00:49.400]  Which one did I forget?
[00:51.760 --> 00:52.940]  Oh, the first HOPE.
[00:53.540 --> 00:55.120]  Hackers on Planet Earth, who was there?
[00:57.360 --> 00:58.400]  Okay, I wasn't.
[00:58.520 --> 00:59.360]  Wait, one person?
[01:00.040 --> 01:00.720]  One person?
[01:00.720 --> 01:01.120]  One person?
[01:01.340 --> 01:01.740]  Two?
[01:02.800 --> 01:03.200]  Three?
[01:03.900 --> 01:05.610]  Of course Robert Steele was there.
[01:05.780 --> 01:05.860]  Four?
[01:05.940 --> 01:09.440]  Oh, of course, and Kupo, who's not doing a very good job of being backstage.
[01:11.110 --> 01:11.520]  Awesome.
[01:11.800 --> 01:12.300]  That's great.
[01:12.900 --> 01:13.770]  How many of you guys...
[01:13.770 --> 01:16.610]  I know, traditionally, the tradition has been HOPE happens every two years.
[01:16.610 --> 01:24.680]  And Emmanuel's probably going to kill me for asking this, but how many of you guys would attend A Hackers on Planet Earth at this time next year?
[01:30.730 --> 01:34.730]  Okay, yes, finally, I can win that argument on the mailing list now.
[01:35.670 --> 01:37.070]  Okay, thank you guys.
[01:40.110 --> 01:40.970]  Other announcements?
[01:41.170 --> 01:43.430]  Yeah, this is the last talk of the evening.
[01:44.210 --> 01:49.930]  And I'm going to introduce Mr. Steele and give my story about him in just a second.
[01:49.930 --> 01:51.930]  But Kupo actually hasn't...
[01:52.870 --> 01:53.310]  Kush.
[01:54.350 --> 01:58.230]  See, I'm thinking Kupo because he's the last person that I have to give t-shirts to.
[01:58.310 --> 02:09.030]  Oh, that also reminds me, department heads and people who work for OpenAMD, Network, Radio Statler, and everybody else who's not part of the core volunteer corps, we're distributing t-shirts.
[02:09.430 --> 02:14.130]  Also, regular volunteers that have gotten their 10 hours in can also get their t-shirts.
[02:14.290 --> 02:16.230]  Also, we're tracking volunteer hours.
[02:16.230 --> 02:23.270]  We've had certain volunteers who have worked in excess of 30 hours up to this point on the second day of the conference.
[02:23.470 --> 02:24.870]  Give them a huge round of applause.
[02:30.430 --> 02:31.890]  Is Aesthetics in the room right now?
[02:33.410 --> 02:35.430]  Okay, no, is Kupo in the room right now?
[02:35.990 --> 02:36.350]  Kupo.
[02:36.970 --> 02:37.550]  Where is he?
[02:37.930 --> 02:38.530]  He's not here?
[02:38.670 --> 02:38.790]  Okay.
[02:39.390 --> 02:44.250]  But no, actually, Kush has a couple of things to talk about, so if I could get Kush up on the stage here real quickly.
[02:47.570 --> 02:48.330]  And that's about...
[02:48.330 --> 02:49.610]  You got your radio off and everything like that?
[02:50.710 --> 02:51.230]  Radio?
[02:51.650 --> 02:51.890]  Mm-hmm.
[02:52.190 --> 02:52.530]  Okay, cool.
[02:53.370 --> 02:56.110]  So, yeah, what was this announcement that you had?
[02:56.230 --> 02:58.270]  Something that you were desperately wanting to talk about?
[02:59.890 --> 03:00.410]  Nicole?
[03:01.130 --> 03:02.410]  Can you come up here, please?
[03:12.920 --> 03:16.360]  Our relationship has taken many, many turns.
[03:17.000 --> 03:20.180]  For the good, for the better, for the best.
[03:21.240 --> 03:22.390]  I love you.
[03:25.470 --> 03:26.830]  And will you marry me?
[03:51.390 --> 03:53.000]  Thank God she said yes.
[03:53.800 --> 03:54.220]  Is
[04:03.720 --> 04:04.200]  that a yes?
[04:04.500 --> 04:04.940]  Yes.
[04:05.880 --> 04:06.420]  Yes.
[04:07.520 --> 04:08.060]  Yes.
[04:08.060 --> 04:08.860]  Yes, absolutely.
[04:09.120 --> 04:09.400]  Yes, absolutely.
[04:11.340 --> 04:11.880]  Perfectly.
[04:13.900 --> 04:14.760]  Thank you.
[04:15.800 --> 04:16.960]  Welcome to the family.
[04:17.120 --> 04:17.920]  Thank you, guys.
[04:28.590 --> 04:32.950]  Okay, so I have a little story about Mr. Steele.
[04:32.950 --> 04:34.710]  So, everybody knows what they're in for here, right?
[04:35.690 --> 04:41.330]  How many people have been witness to this Saturday night tradition at Hackers on Planet Earth before?
[04:42.830 --> 04:43.270]  Okay.
[04:43.570 --> 04:46.210]  How many people have managed to sit through an entire one?
[04:48.210 --> 04:48.610]  Really?
[04:50.450 --> 04:53.370]  How many people are aware of the steel drinking game?
[04:55.550 --> 04:57.390]  Okay, I got a bigger one than that.
[04:57.470 --> 05:02.170]  But actually, I have a personal connection here to our next speaker.
[05:02.290 --> 05:03.150]  Can I tell this story?
[05:03.330 --> 05:05.730]  You can tell any story, but I need the Internet.
[05:06.370 --> 05:06.550]  Oh.
[05:08.250 --> 05:08.910]  Here we go.
[05:08.970 --> 05:09.530]  Yep, right there.
[05:10.750 --> 05:14.370]  Hackers on Planet Earth, where we leave the Internet lying around on the floor.
[05:18.350 --> 05:19.150]  Traditional, isn't it?
[05:19.590 --> 05:20.310]  The tubes from leaking.
[05:20.690 --> 05:23.270]  Yes, we do keep the tubes from leaking, don't we?
[05:23.690 --> 05:24.910]  Unless WikiLeaks is involved.
[05:25.130 --> 05:26.290]  But I'm not going to get into that.
[05:27.330 --> 05:30.910]  So, it was actually my first Hackers on Planet Earth conference.
[05:31.450 --> 05:34.130]  I was here with a couple of friends of mine from Detroit.
[05:36.490 --> 05:40.830]  And I've forgotten all of their handles right now because I call them all by their real names today.
[05:41.470 --> 05:41.790]  Render Man.
[05:42.770 --> 05:43.850]  Render Man's at everywhere.
[05:43.850 --> 05:46.650]  I remember the whole Render Man Must Die stickers.
[05:46.850 --> 05:47.190]  How many...
[05:47.190 --> 05:49.450]  Does anybody have an extra Render Man Must Die sticker?
[05:50.870 --> 05:52.410]  Does anybody know what I'm talking about?
[05:53.310 --> 05:54.970]  Am I dating myself right now?
[05:56.230 --> 05:56.650]  Okay.
[05:57.010 --> 05:57.730]  Sorry about that.
[05:57.850 --> 05:59.230]  So, it was our very...
[05:59.230 --> 06:00.710]  My very first Hackers on Planet Earth.
[06:00.910 --> 06:03.250]  And of course, I went in on a hotel room with a bunch of my friends.
[06:03.250 --> 06:08.810]  And we ended up in this really weird, oddly size-shaped room that was really big.
[06:09.350 --> 06:15.250]  And that had like an extra couple of rooms attached to it, which were just totally empty, which we thought was kind of weird.
[06:15.370 --> 06:21.290]  And of course, being college students, one of our first times in a hotel room this big, we thought, we have to throw an awesome party.
[06:22.150 --> 06:24.090]  So, we found all of our friends from DEFCON.
[06:24.210 --> 06:26.670]  We found all of our friends that we knew from IRC and everybody like this.
[06:26.730 --> 06:30.210]  And everybody bought in on a gigantic cache of liquor.
[06:31.450 --> 06:37.750]  At about maybe 8.30, we went around and we literally drained the ice out of all of the machines in the hotel.
[06:38.470 --> 06:40.970]  And filled up the bathtub just completely full of ice.
[06:41.510 --> 06:44.290]  And then put all of the beer, all of the liquor, everything in there.
[06:44.370 --> 06:47.910]  And we actually, for some reason, had this crazy Australian dude who was...
[06:48.930 --> 06:51.050]  I don't know what his deal was, if he was on speed or something.
[06:51.150 --> 06:58.850]  But his whole function, for like four or five hours that night, was to continue raiding all of the ice machines on the rest of the floor and keeping our bathtub full of ice.
[06:59.270 --> 07:07.530]  Now, we wouldn't have had a rocking party had Steel Knot brought his crew from the talk into the room.
[07:07.610 --> 07:09.490]  People who just wanted to talk to him more and more and more.
[07:09.570 --> 07:12.410]  And we were partying, I think, until 7 or 8 a.m.
[07:12.430 --> 07:19.470]  I think, actually, Hotel Housekeeping was the one that stopped our party because there was nobody else on our floor to clean the rooms of.
[07:19.570 --> 07:22.070]  So, that made my first HOPE experience special.
[07:22.190 --> 07:27.930]  How many of you guys have collected a story, something like that, at this conference or previous Hackers on Planet Earth conference?
[07:30.130 --> 07:30.570]  Really?
[07:32.110 --> 07:33.050]  That, that's it?
[07:39.530 --> 07:40.690]  Alright, so just...
[07:40.690 --> 07:41.790]  Everybody, this is...
[07:41.790 --> 07:44.870]  This is going to be a phenomenal, phenomenal experience.
[07:45.070 --> 07:46.310]  I hope you guys stick around for everything.
[07:46.430 --> 07:48.190]  And prepare to have your minds blown.
[07:48.650 --> 07:51.030]  I proudly introduce to you Mr. Steel.
[07:51.110 --> 07:52.390]  Give him a huge round of applause.
[07:52.630 --> 07:53.930]  And get your Club-Mate!
[07:56.590 --> 07:58.030]  Where do I do audio?
[07:58.190 --> 07:58.810]  Audio's here?
[07:59.110 --> 07:59.590]  Yeah.
[07:59.910 --> 08:00.190]  Okay.
[08:00.350 --> 08:01.530]  Do you want to...
[08:02.330 --> 08:04.550]  No, this is good if this works for you.
[08:06.410 --> 08:08.530]  I'm getting too old for midnight starts.
[08:09.610 --> 08:11.770]  So, we should try 10 next time.
[08:12.310 --> 08:13.050]  Well, 2200.
[08:13.390 --> 08:21.170]  Anyway, what I'd like to try and do is be a little more interactive and maybe a little more responsive to what the group wants in the way of question areas.
[08:21.170 --> 08:31.550]  So, we can go everywhere from whodunit for 9-11 to Dick Cheney's cross-dressing to anything at all that you want.
[08:31.750 --> 08:33.330]  Now, do we only have one microphone?
[08:35.030 --> 08:35.830]  Why don't...
[08:35.830 --> 08:40.470]  I just want to do a quick round of kind of shout out what you want to talk about tonight.
[08:42.090 --> 08:43.130]  What was that?
[08:43.690 --> 08:43.830]  JFK!
[08:43.830 --> 08:44.490]  All right.
[08:44.670 --> 08:45.270]  JFK.
[08:45.610 --> 08:45.890]  What else?
[08:46.190 --> 08:47.830]  Dick Cheney cross-dressing.
[08:48.230 --> 08:48.690]  Of course.
[08:49.190 --> 08:49.830]  JFK.
[08:50.070 --> 08:50.750]  Dick Cheney.
[08:51.310 --> 08:52.130]  Cyber war.
[08:52.290 --> 08:53.170]  Cyber war.
[08:53.590 --> 08:53.870]  Okay.
[08:54.170 --> 08:55.930]  And we can talk about the cyber scam.
[08:56.690 --> 08:56.990]  What?
[09:00.410 --> 09:01.470]  Perfect citizens.
[09:02.390 --> 09:03.750]  Perfect citizens.
[09:04.150 --> 09:04.950]  Well, that's you guys.
[09:07.010 --> 09:07.230]  Okay.
[09:07.530 --> 09:08.050]  9-11.
[09:08.910 --> 09:09.590]  BP.
[09:10.250 --> 09:10.450]  BP.
[09:11.510 --> 09:12.670]  BP big time.
[09:12.670 --> 09:12.850]  BP big time.
[09:13.030 --> 09:13.270]  Okay.
[09:15.270 --> 09:16.830]  What was the tossing one?
[09:17.310 --> 09:18.610]  Dwarf tossing.
[09:19.050 --> 09:20.270]  Dwarf tossing.
[09:24.240 --> 09:25.780]  I was not there.
[09:26.540 --> 09:29.430]  High the day.
[09:30.130 --> 09:30.440]  Okay.
[09:31.050 --> 09:32.030]  Faking the moon.
[09:32.050 --> 09:32.910]  It was faked.
[09:33.090 --> 09:33.230]  Yes.
[09:33.390 --> 09:35.410]  It was done in a TV studio here in New York.
[09:36.450 --> 09:36.550]  What?
[09:36.970 --> 09:37.410]  Pyramid.
[09:41.290 --> 09:43.930]  I'm up to 7th generation warfare, but okay.
[09:44.630 --> 09:45.250]  Halliburton.
[09:45.510 --> 09:45.850]  What?
[09:46.450 --> 09:47.070]  Halliburton.
[09:47.330 --> 09:47.950]  Halliburton.
[09:47.950 --> 09:48.610]  Okay.
[09:48.930 --> 09:49.690]  High the water.
[09:49.910 --> 09:51.690]  Nobody's mentioned the Rothschilds yet.
[09:52.330 --> 09:52.450]  Okay.
[09:55.210 --> 09:56.250]  Who's the tossing?
[09:56.550 --> 09:56.790]  Keep quiet.
[09:57.250 --> 09:59.020]  Anybody interested in, um...
[10:00.170 --> 10:00.790]  Huffa.
[10:04.230 --> 10:04.850]  Huffa.
[10:10.510 --> 10:10.830]  All right.
[10:10.950 --> 10:11.130]  All right.
[10:11.210 --> 10:14.370]  Now all the lunatics be quiet and just a few serious people.
[10:15.470 --> 10:16.270]  Room service.
[10:16.430 --> 10:18.230]  Room service.
[10:18.570 --> 10:18.990]  Absolutely.
[10:20.750 --> 10:21.230]  Roger.
[10:21.530 --> 10:21.650]  Roger.
[10:24.370 --> 10:24.610]  Roger.
[10:25.430 --> 10:25.690]  Okay.
[10:25.890 --> 10:26.190]  All right.
[10:26.290 --> 10:26.530]  All right.
[10:26.610 --> 10:26.970]  We're good.
[10:27.130 --> 10:27.510]  We're good.
[10:36.460 --> 10:36.940]  Okay.
[10:36.940 --> 10:37.480]  We're there.
[10:42.080 --> 10:42.560]  Who?
[10:44.400 --> 10:45.200]  You know what?
[10:45.280 --> 10:45.540]  Okay.
[10:45.600 --> 10:47.700]  I will announce that I'm running for president.
[10:48.000 --> 10:50.960]  This is the only time I will announce that.
[10:52.140 --> 10:52.880]  Thank you.
[10:52.880 --> 10:57.600]  So, um, but there's a difference between me and Ross Perot.
[10:57.720 --> 10:58.720]  One, I'm not a little shit.
[10:59.020 --> 11:04.720]  And two, um, you've got to get me on all 50 ballots and no, I won't come if you don't.
[11:08.000 --> 11:08.560]  All right.
[11:08.740 --> 11:12.120]  Let's, um, let's kind of take it from the top.
[11:13.380 --> 11:22.960]  Now, as best I can tell, the United States is run by Goldman Sachs on behalf of the Rothschilds.
[11:23.320 --> 11:31.600]  Um, and all of our income taxes are basically channeled in a manner that disconnects us from the way in which the money is spent.
[11:33.480 --> 11:36.200]  And in essence, Congress has been bought.
[11:36.520 --> 11:42.440]  But actually, in fairness to the people buying Congress, it's Congress that shakes them down, not the other way around.
[11:42.740 --> 11:45.620]  The standard rate on the Hill is 5%.
[11:46.260 --> 11:56.560]  Any project, any earmark that Congress delivers, they expect 5% into the pack of the member that sponsored the program or the contract or whatever, okay?
[11:56.800 --> 12:04.100]  So we not only have a corrupt Congress, but under Dick Cheney, we have a Congress that consists of foot soldiers.
[12:05.060 --> 12:14.980]  They've abdicated their Article I responsibility, which is why I personally recommend to you that you vote out every single motherf*cker now in Congress.
[12:15.600 --> 12:16.200]  Uh,
[12:23.810 --> 12:24.810]  it's called the Constitution.
[12:25.150 --> 12:25.970]  It starts with a C.
[12:28.470 --> 12:29.250]  All right.
[12:29.450 --> 12:42.390]  Now, the bad news is Congress and the Governors have so hosed the electoral process as to make it impossible for independents, libertarians, and others to get on the ballot.
[12:43.010 --> 12:51.850]  And I strongly recommend to you a book by one of Ralph Nader's senior aides called The Grand Illusion, Understanding the Two-Party Tyranny.
[12:52.990 --> 12:58.350]  And even here in Washington, I mean, here in New York, there have been a couple of breakouts.
[12:58.550 --> 13:06.710]  Peter Peterson, a very wealthy man, wrote a book called Running on Empty, how the two parties are betraying America and what we can do about it.
[13:06.710 --> 13:14.370]  Well, unfortunately, nobody in New York and nobody in Washington actually wants to do anything about it.
[13:14.610 --> 13:23.170]  And one of the things you have to understand is that people like Ron Paul, however much we might love him, are part of what's called the controlled opposition.
[13:23.910 --> 13:25.450]  There there is window dressing.
[13:26.350 --> 13:29.350]  Obama was a road show.
[13:30.290 --> 13:39.330]  Obama broke his promise to McCain, he took money, and he hasn't accounted for $300 million of the $750 million he spent.
[13:41.190 --> 13:44.270]  Buckminster Fuller said the White House is theater.
[13:44.630 --> 13:46.270]  And he's absolutely right.
[13:47.050 --> 13:59.370]  And I did not realize this until I myself found that my misplaced confidence in Obama was utterly destroyed by Rahm Emanuel on one hand and David Axelrod on the other.
[13:59.510 --> 14:02.130]  This guy is surrounded by a pogomist and a pollster.
[14:02.710 --> 14:03.210]  Okay?
[14:03.670 --> 14:09.650]  And his decisions are articulated in a manner that is erudite idiocy.
[14:11.190 --> 14:14.410]  There is nothing sensible about Barack Obama.
[14:14.830 --> 14:17.910]  There's nothing sensible about Michelle Obama.
[14:20.610 --> 14:25.830]  It troubles me that she tells everyone to go on vacation in Louisiana and then heads for Maine.
[14:28.470 --> 14:33.090]  These people are hypocrites, but so are the Bush family, so are the Clinton family.
[14:33.710 --> 14:45.850]  These people are all part of a mafia that began with MacArthur's capturing the Japanese gold, a story told in a wonderful book by Peggy and Sterling Seagraves called Gold Warriors.
[14:46.790 --> 14:56.890]  There's been an illicit gold fund run out of Treasury since the end of World War II, and it was used to issue gold certificates and to...
[14:57.390 --> 14:59.650]  What happened to the soda that was going to come with that?
[14:59.930 --> 15:00.510]  It's outside.
[15:00.690 --> 15:01.290]  Oh, good.
[15:01.410 --> 15:01.670]  Okay.
[15:01.850 --> 15:04.030]  Because I need to mainline some caffeine here.
[15:04.170 --> 15:10.330]  But I was going to do a YouTube ad for that stuff, but then they told me it tasted like shit, so I didn't.
[15:13.070 --> 15:14.170]  But drink it anyway.
[15:14.950 --> 15:15.750]  All right.
[15:16.990 --> 15:17.750]  All right.
[15:17.970 --> 15:25.750]  So the bottom line here is I think we're at a point in American history where we literally need a general strike.
[15:27.010 --> 15:31.150]  And by general strike, I mean a nonviolent stay home one day.
[15:32.410 --> 15:42.910]  And unfortunately, I have tried very hard for the last eight years to get people like Ron Paul and Ralph Nader, and it may be that I don't need this.
[15:43.110 --> 15:46.550]  If you guys decide you want to take a tour of the Internet, we'll try it.
[15:46.650 --> 15:48.010]  But I can talk from memory.
[15:49.170 --> 15:56.570]  I've tried to get Ron Paul and Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney and Jackie Salet to play nicely together, and they won't do it.
[15:56.570 --> 16:06.090]  They absolutely will not come together and do the one simple thing that would basically nail Congress, which is demand electoral reform in time for 2010.
[16:07.290 --> 16:08.890]  This is not rocket science.
[16:09.510 --> 16:10.830]  Electoral reform.
[16:10.830 --> 16:25.450]  There are at least four things we can do for 2010, including instant runoff, voting on a holiday so the poor don't have to juggle bus schedules, and of course, ballot access for anybody that can come up with the minimum signatures.
[16:25.670 --> 16:32.910]  This is our country, and we have allowed it to be carpetbagged out of our possession.
[16:33.230 --> 16:47.090]  So electoral reform is the one thing that Ron Paul and Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney and Jackie Salet and Mike Bloomberg, if he ever decides to get serious about running for president, should all be talking about.
[16:47.770 --> 16:49.050]  Electoral reform.
[16:49.470 --> 16:51.890]  It's very, very simple.
[16:52.210 --> 16:57.530]  Barack Obama was elected by 30% of the eligible voters.
[16:58.110 --> 17:03.590]  I think it was 54.6 or 56.4 of the eligible voters that voted.
[17:04.450 --> 17:23.030]  And if John McCain had not been surrounded by Bushies, whose job it was to sabotage his campaign, he would have come out and sided with the House Republicans who were demonstrating a modicum of common sense, and said, over my dead f*cking body will you bail out Wall Street.
[17:23.890 --> 17:29.870]  I would have frozen evictions and foreclosures, and I would have insured every American from the bottom up.
[17:29.870 --> 17:35.090]  And I guarantee you it would have cost a tenth of what Wall Street has cost us.
[17:35.610 --> 17:41.970]  So that alone is treason against the American public by both parties.
[17:42.390 --> 17:53.790]  And that alone demands that we eliminate the Republican and Democratic parties from the face of this electoral process.
[18:01.950 --> 18:05.550]  So starting at the very top, we've lost control of the United States.
[18:05.710 --> 18:07.170]  We've lost control of the Treasury.
[18:07.550 --> 18:09.450]  The government is out of control.
[18:10.950 --> 18:14.410]  And we're at a point now where stuff has to be done.
[18:14.410 --> 18:14.870]  If I want to come to mind, yes sir?
[18:17.590 --> 18:20.350]  Do you want to try and get the video or?
[18:21.750 --> 18:22.990]  That's my power cord.
[18:23.390 --> 18:26.530]  This is a really shitty connection that won't screw in.
[18:27.290 --> 18:28.270]  That's what I want to get rid of.
[18:28.370 --> 18:29.530]  Well, you want to get rid of it.
[18:29.970 --> 18:30.370]  Okay.
[18:30.710 --> 18:32.170]  I guess I'm not using my computer.
[18:44.990 --> 18:50.590]  All right, I really was hoping to give you guys some interesting slides and stuff, but...
[18:50.590 --> 18:51.390]  I can help you.
[18:51.570 --> 18:52.570]  You can help me.
[18:52.730 --> 18:52.990]  Sure.
[18:53.290 --> 18:54.810]  I'm interested in being helped.
[18:54.810 --> 18:55.430]  I need help.
[18:55.550 --> 18:56.530]  I need a lot of help.
[19:00.650 --> 19:10.210]  All right, so basically what we have, and it's really remarkable, Huxley really got it right in 1984 and in Animal Farm.
[19:11.490 --> 19:13.910]  We've become a cheating society.
[19:14.670 --> 19:17.950]  And by the way, I speak in book titles, okay?
[19:18.110 --> 19:23.690]  So when I kind of have a phrase like cheating society, it's really a book I've reviewed on Amazon.
[19:24.030 --> 19:32.830]  And if you go to PhiBetaIota.net, and I simply picked that after my FreeObama.net site, didn't arouse a lot of excitement.
[19:35.110 --> 19:48.130]  PhiBetaIota.net is where I have all my book reviews and I have pointers to the 30,000 pages at OSS.net and to the start of the Earth Intelligence Network, which is an IRS 501C3.
[19:48.130 --> 19:50.710]  We can give you a letter if you want to donate things.
[19:50.850 --> 20:00.750]  And Jay-Z is selling what's left of our books back there, and he's based in New York, and I encourage you to look at his website, reconfigure.org, where he also has the T-shirt.
[20:01.130 --> 20:03.310]  He spent a year researching that T-shirt.
[20:03.410 --> 20:09.070]  I have never seen anyone do a better job of deep research than he has done on the true cost of that T-shirt.
[20:09.190 --> 20:11.110]  How many people are familiar with the true cost meme?
[20:12.810 --> 20:13.570]  Holy shit.
[20:13.910 --> 20:15.470]  You're a bunch of dumb f*cks.
[20:16.430 --> 20:16.810]  Okay.
[20:16.810 --> 20:17.190]  Sorry.
[20:17.250 --> 20:20.430]  I know you come here to be abused by me, and I do it with love.
[20:22.110 --> 20:25.410]  Let me bring you up to date on what's happening in the world.
[20:32.010 --> 20:34.210]  What do I need to do with wireless and cell phones?
[20:36.330 --> 20:37.490]  Oh, absolutely.
[20:37.850 --> 20:38.270]  Absolutely.
[20:38.730 --> 20:43.170]  And I really want to try and be a little bit more interactive, but I do want to get the questions on there.
[20:43.290 --> 20:45.250]  And I also want to say thank you.
[20:45.450 --> 20:55.630]  Whoever it is that took my last spy improv and turned it into like 50 really cool audio sound bites with text captions, I have some books to give you.
[20:56.590 --> 21:06.370]  I'm really grateful and humbled by the fact that someone would spend that much time making sense out of four hours of stream of consciousness talking.
[21:10.610 --> 21:19.590]  We have kind of been put into a position where we have no say.
[21:20.010 --> 21:31.310]  I mean, the reason I titled my brief two days ago, one day ago, Hacking Humanity, is we've taken the humanity out of politics, we've taken the humanity out of business, we've taken the humanity out of everything.
[21:32.050 --> 21:37.810]  And what's really cool is that the one inexhaustible resource we have on the face of this planet is the human brain.
[21:38.770 --> 21:42.250]  And the human brain can create infinite wealth.
[21:42.670 --> 21:50.470]  And just to digress back for a second to cell phones, we're finding out that cell phones are killing bees, which is going to wipe out our agricultural pollination cycle.
[21:51.210 --> 21:51.650]  Okay.
[21:52.070 --> 21:52.930]  And I'm serious.
[21:53.130 --> 21:56.230]  This is the one intelligent thing CNN has done in the last 20 years.
[21:59.730 --> 22:00.170]  Okay.
[22:01.290 --> 22:02.150]  It's a start.
[22:03.890 --> 22:04.610]  Thank you.
[22:06.570 --> 22:08.290]  And I want to thank Nick, too.
[22:10.410 --> 22:11.830]  He's the head of volunteers.
[22:17.390 --> 22:21.330]  And I didn't realize he was going to hold it over my head for the rest of my life.
[22:21.330 --> 22:24.450]  But we did, in fact, meet over a bathtub.
[22:27.050 --> 22:29.990]  And Nick let me have his bed for two hours.
[22:30.410 --> 22:32.090]  And I didn't use the sheets.
[22:33.330 --> 22:35.110]  So, Nick, your bed's still clean.
[22:35.450 --> 22:37.810]  And thank you for giving me a nap.
[22:38.930 --> 22:41.850]  Really, Nick just showed some class there.
[22:41.950 --> 22:42.370]  Thank you.
[22:44.490 --> 22:47.350]  So, I think we really have to get a grip on ourselves.
[22:47.510 --> 22:51.470]  And to kind of make this point about humanity and its potential, C.K.
[22:51.730 --> 22:53.530]  Prahalad, who should get the Nobel Prize.
[22:53.770 --> 22:58.250]  I mean, there have been, like, two or three Nobel Prizes given recently that are really good.
[22:58.370 --> 22:59.230]  One was to Janos.
[23:00.410 --> 23:01.690]  Prahalad should get another one.
[23:01.710 --> 23:06.350]  I won't mention the two idiots that got Nobel Prizes, one of them for 10 days in office.
[23:10.010 --> 23:11.550]  I mean, these people are shameless.
[23:11.730 --> 23:12.790]  They're prostituting themselves.
[23:13.530 --> 23:16.090]  Buckminster Fuller wrote a book titled Integrity.
[23:16.350 --> 23:18.170]  Integrity is about more than honor.
[23:18.330 --> 23:19.590]  It's about feedback loops.
[23:20.010 --> 23:22.510]  It's about data without errors.
[23:23.110 --> 23:28.790]  It's about, I subtitled my new book, Clarity, Diversity, Integrity, Sustainability.
[23:29.730 --> 23:31.450]  So, coming back to C.K.
[23:31.570 --> 23:38.630]  Prahalad, he's pointed out that capitalism is based on the one billion rich whose aggregate income is one trillion.
[23:39.230 --> 23:45.750]  And I'll come back to true cost in a second because I am shocked that a group of this intelligence doesn't really have a grip on that.
[23:47.650 --> 23:54.450]  The four to five billion poor people have an aggregate annual income of four trillion.
[23:55.230 --> 23:59.850]  So, we have capitalism based on one billion rich, one trillion market.
[24:00.030 --> 24:02.170]  They're buying sub-zero fridges every two years.
[24:02.470 --> 24:09.970]  An African refrigerator costs two dollars and consists of a cement pot with a long neck and air gap, another cement pot with a long neck.
[24:10.050 --> 24:12.890]  And you bury this in the ground and it keeps meat fresh for five days.
[24:15.310 --> 24:18.930]  And Yanis' latest book on social business is certainly worth reading.
[24:19.170 --> 24:26.610]  The bottom line here is we have been so busy screwing the bottom of the pyramid, we haven't realized that they're the only thing that's going to save us.
[24:27.110 --> 24:35.830]  And so, that's why the Earth Intelligence Network came together and conceptualized the idea of educating the poor one cell call at a time.
[24:35.830 --> 24:43.870]  And Nokia now has a cell phone that operates on ambient energy, so it doesn't need an electrical recharge at night.
[24:43.990 --> 24:45.010]  This is very cool.
[24:45.490 --> 24:49.050]  The Chinese have cell towers that are solar and wind powered.
[24:49.050 --> 24:57.030]  And at Burning Man, which I'm hoping to go to, my first one, I'll be in the village that's being set up by Dr. Dr. Dave Warner.
[24:57.710 --> 25:01.250]  We tease him mercilessly.
[25:01.690 --> 25:07.490]  He's an MD, PhD neurosurgeon with some real psychological problems.
[25:08.570 --> 25:10.210]  And I love him for that.
[25:10.710 --> 25:12.830]  He's really one of the coolest guys I know.
[25:13.070 --> 25:15.410]  He and Eric Rasmussen created Strong Angel.
[25:15.570 --> 25:18.710]  He created Tuzel, which is an analytic toolkit on a flash drive.
[25:18.710 --> 25:30.130]  And I want to improve on that because where I'm going with the world brain is we should all be part of the world brain and we should all have a structured method for information sharing and sense making.
[25:32.090 --> 25:34.370]  So we really have got to get a grip.
[25:35.310 --> 25:42.130]  And now to just talk about true costs for a minute, and then I'll let you guys intervene on me a second, and then we'll do JFK.
[25:44.110 --> 25:47.790]  A gallon of gas costs $3.50, $4, whatever.
[25:48.130 --> 25:49.550]  That's what you pay at the pump.
[25:50.470 --> 25:58.650]  Prior to BP, Exxon and these others were externalizing $12 a gallon in costs.
[25:59.390 --> 26:13.270]  So Jay-Z, when he did this t-shirt, and absolutely, totally blown away with admiration, he did the true cost of that white cotton t-shirt in terms of water, the number of gallons it took to grow the cotton, wash it, chip it, so forth.
[26:14.030 --> 26:20.810]  Fuel, the fuel that was used up by the machines harvesting the cotton and so forth, the fuel used to transport it.
[26:21.250 --> 26:23.850]  Child labor at 50 cents a day.
[26:24.690 --> 26:26.450]  That's what's true cost, okay?
[26:26.450 --> 26:28.610]  So true cost actually gets down.
[26:28.790 --> 26:37.590]  I mean, it takes more water to make the plastic that this Coke comes in than the water contained in the Coke.
[26:37.710 --> 26:40.670]  In fact, Coca-Cola is stealing water worldwide.
[26:41.790 --> 26:50.190]  Minnesota just threw them out because they wanted to come in and dig down into the aquifer and export Minnesota's water as Coke.
[26:50.370 --> 26:51.410]  In New Hampshire as well.
[26:51.410 --> 26:52.890]  In New Hampshire as well.
[26:53.010 --> 26:53.230]  In New Hampshire as well.
[26:53.230 --> 26:53.410]  Thank you.
[26:53.510 --> 26:54.750]  And we are part of a collective.
[26:54.750 --> 26:59.450]  And I really want to encourage interventions from the audience.
[27:00.430 --> 27:06.230]  If they're sensible, shout them out so that we can get kind of a collective back and forth going here.
[27:06.230 --> 27:07.490]  I'd like to see this work.
[27:09.170 --> 27:10.550]  Shall I go to JFK?
[27:13.820 --> 27:14.420]  All right.
[27:14.620 --> 27:16.320]  A little bit of BP first.
[27:16.740 --> 27:19.600]  BP, by the way, was responsible for the Exxon Valdez.
[27:21.710 --> 27:26.960]  And one of the interesting things about BP is they've perfected the art of making promises they don't keep.
[27:28.900 --> 27:30.210]  Essentially, the U.S. government, which is trying to micromanage stuff.
[27:32.800 --> 27:35.600]  And we can get into complexity theory and all that other good stuff.
[27:35.840 --> 27:40.380]  And I can also do some IT stuff, some security stuff, some cyber scam stuff.
[27:42.930 --> 27:49.380]  Logical people in the federal government understand the risks associated with undersea drilling and so forth.
[27:49.450 --> 28:06.600]  And BP and others, when they're given these leases, are required to commit to having 24-7 emergency response teams within four hours of any possible breach, fully trained crews, ready to go, booms and everything, ready to contain this within, you know,
[28:06.720 --> 28:07.720]  12 hours, whatever.
[28:08.220 --> 28:14.500]  And what they do is they set all that up and then they let it atrophy to the point that it doesn't exist anymore.
[28:15.000 --> 28:15.520]  Okay?
[28:15.740 --> 28:18.480]  So essentially, BP violated the public trust.
[28:18.640 --> 28:21.300]  And, of course, BP is operating under a public charter.
[28:22.320 --> 28:23.000]  What's that?
[28:25.080 --> 28:25.600]  What?
[28:25.600 --> 28:26.040]  What?
[28:27.860 --> 28:28.260]  What?
[28:29.300 --> 28:29.950]  I'm sorry.
[28:30.020 --> 28:31.080]  You're trying to get my beer open.
[28:31.400 --> 28:32.180]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[28:32.260 --> 28:34.140]  He just poured his beer on his dick is what he said.
[28:37.480 --> 28:38.760]  I hope she likes beer.
[28:42.780 --> 28:43.360]  All right.
[28:43.800 --> 28:44.620]  So JFK.
[28:45.920 --> 28:55.080]  My take on JFK based on reading a number of books, including a book that's very popular, Phi Beta Iota, the review of JFK, Who Killed Him and Why It Matters.
[28:55.080 --> 29:02.980]  I believe that JFK was killed by Cuban exiles, trained and equipped by the Central Intelligence Agency.
[29:03.240 --> 29:17.680]  And that at least select members of the Central Intelligence Agency were actively complicit to include individuals in the Office of Technical Services that created fraudulent secret service credentials that allowed the perpetrators to escape.
[29:18.520 --> 29:28.720]  And I believe that will come out in time, just as it is now coming out that we all knew the Gulf of Tonkin was a fraud.
[29:30.120 --> 29:36.540]  And it's now coming out that the Gulf of Tonkin was seriously debated within government.
[29:37.180 --> 29:38.800]  Enormous doubts existed.
[29:39.040 --> 29:41.980]  And secrecy was used to deceive Congress and the public.
[29:43.080 --> 29:46.740]  Now, in the case of Iraq, Dick Cheney didn't bother with secrecy.
[29:46.800 --> 29:49.660]  He just used 935 documented lies.
[29:50.660 --> 29:52.460]  And we let him get away with it.
[29:53.300 --> 29:53.780]  Okay.
[29:53.860 --> 29:56.900]  I highly recommend a book called The Weapons of Mass Deception.
[29:56.900 --> 29:58.780]  Don't be fooled by the cartoon cover.
[29:58.780 --> 30:00.020]  It's a superb book.
[30:02.280 --> 30:05.280]  So, JFK, Martin Luther King, an active state.
[30:05.460 --> 30:08.220]  I believe the FBI ordered him killed and the Army helped.
[30:08.400 --> 30:09.520]  They provided the sniper.
[30:11.580 --> 30:14.760]  So, we've done some pretty bad things, not only to ourselves.
[30:14.960 --> 30:15.260]  Yes, sir?
[30:18.920 --> 30:19.880]  More than one.
[30:20.180 --> 30:22.440]  Oswald did not test at all.
[30:22.900 --> 30:24.080]  Oswald was a patsy.
[30:24.140 --> 30:24.760]  At least one.
[30:24.920 --> 30:26.860]  I mean, but yeah, two and one.
[30:26.960 --> 30:28.500]  And I think he was killed from in front.
[30:28.500 --> 30:29.180]  Okay.
[30:30.760 --> 30:33.180]  And so, all of this stuff is starting to come out.
[30:33.280 --> 30:38.860]  But what's absolutely fascinating to me is the way in which the public sits silently and allows whitewashes to happen.
[30:39.160 --> 30:56.240]  I mean, talking about the 9-11 whitewash, the national technical security, whatever the hell they are, won't release the findings from the World Trade Center controlled demolitions by Larry Silverstein, who had Rudy Giuliani, who had the dump trucks lined up the day before the accident.
[30:56.880 --> 30:57.360]  Oops.
[30:57.940 --> 31:02.540]  And they all had GPS so that they could track where the rubble went.
[31:02.700 --> 31:04.500]  And the firefighters rioted.
[31:04.600 --> 31:07.940]  They called him Scoop and Dump Giuliani because he was scooping and dumping.
[31:08.220 --> 31:15.740]  And we now have, courtesy of the German hackers, we now have all of the cell phone calls on 9-11.
[31:15.740 --> 31:18.520]  And all of the reports of bombs from 9-11.
[31:18.520 --> 31:22.640]  And that also came out across the radio waves and the TV channels.
[31:22.680 --> 31:29.720]  And there were a number of news broadcasters that basically announced things before they happened because they were being fed a news feed.
[31:30.320 --> 31:48.160]  When you get down to doing a serious time analysis of 9-11, I think you will find that it was not only allowed to happen, but that Dick Cheney, three months in advance, scheduled a counter-terrorism accident so he could control our response and ensure that we did not interfere with it.
[31:48.160 --> 31:54.380]  There's a serious possibility that there were unmanned aerial vehicle controls on those two jets.
[31:54.700 --> 31:58.720]  And the WTC-7 was the final control point.
[31:58.900 --> 32:01.980]  And it was brought down by controlled demolitions.
[32:03.620 --> 32:05.680]  And by the way, it wasn't hit by anything.
[32:05.980 --> 32:06.440]  Okay?
[32:07.760 --> 32:09.680]  So I'm very concerned.
[32:09.820 --> 32:15.940]  And I like to try and keep my credibility with those of you that think conspiracy theory is evil.
[32:16.620 --> 32:21.480]  By saying that we don't know for certain, but I absolutely agree with Mike Rupert and others.
[32:21.640 --> 32:24.820]  There is more than enough information out there to tell us.
[32:24.880 --> 32:27.100]  Number one, it was whitewashed and not properly investigated.
[32:27.900 --> 32:33.220]  And number two, Larry Silverstein, Rudy Giuliani, and Dick Cheney should be indicted.
[32:33.240 --> 32:35.920]  And I would like to see Dick Cheney hung before he dies.
[32:42.860 --> 32:43.500]  What's that?
[32:43.740 --> 32:44.780]  What do you think is that an address?
[32:46.240 --> 32:47.780]  Actually, I'm told he likes leather.
[32:51.340 --> 32:56.760]  A very prominent bisexual who is a really great partier told me this personally.
[32:56.960 --> 32:59.000]  And I think he was speaking from...
[33:04.060 --> 33:05.700]  We won't mention any names.
[33:08.240 --> 33:10.760]  No, but he does do 14-year-old boys.
[33:12.320 --> 33:12.760]  Okay.
[33:14.440 --> 33:15.420]  No more guessing.
[33:17.780 --> 33:18.260]  All right.
[33:18.340 --> 33:19.920]  Let's talk about cyber war for a little bit.
[33:19.960 --> 33:20.360]  Is that all right?
[33:21.200 --> 33:21.780]  All right.
[33:23.240 --> 33:33.020]  I'm a dumb shit that doesn't know anything about technology, but I'm smart enough to count how many people are doing deep code research in this country, and the number is 67.
[33:34.200 --> 33:43.740]  There are 67 people in the United States of America doing deep code research, and 12 of those are doing defensive deep code research.
[33:44.620 --> 33:48.840]  How do you spend $12 billion on 67 people?
[33:49.520 --> 33:50.640]  You don't.
[33:51.560 --> 33:53.360]  This is a cyber scam.
[33:53.360 --> 34:09.980]  And I have written a detailed article in Homeland Security Today that identifies the 67 people by research center, none of which have major grants from the Department of Homeland Stupidity, or from NSA, or any other part of the U.S. government.
[34:11.400 --> 34:15.470]  Can you explain what you mean by this?
[34:15.810 --> 34:19.170]  I'd like someone in the audience to define deep code research.
[34:19.970 --> 34:20.570]  Chip?
[34:20.570 --> 34:21.410]  Chip?
[34:22.210 --> 34:26.990]  The way it was explained to me is source code root.
[34:27.910 --> 34:34.950]  I mean, right down at the very bottom, which is where do you hide shit at the very bottom in source code.
[34:35.130 --> 34:36.910]  Like I say, I'm not a technical person.
[34:37.870 --> 34:38.390]  What...
[34:38.390 --> 34:40.250]  Who wants to define deep code research?
[34:41.110 --> 34:42.130]  Binary analysis.
[34:42.270 --> 34:42.730]  Okay.
[34:42.890 --> 34:44.510]  Binary analysis works for me.
[34:47.250 --> 34:50.470]  Also, I mean, you can hide a lot of stuff in hardware.
[34:51.610 --> 34:54.930]  That's why I believe in open source hardware, not just open source software.
[34:56.410 --> 34:57.190]  Open everything.
[34:58.410 --> 35:00.850]  So, I'm really unconcerned with the details.
[35:00.970 --> 35:17.890]  What matters to me is that there are only, let's say, 500 people in the United States that are actually doing serious code research, and Washington is planning to spend $12 billion on SCIC, which totally f*cked up Trailblazer for NSA, and SRA, and CSC.
[35:18.570 --> 35:21.950]  All these companies are scams.
[35:22.650 --> 35:25.830]  They basically hire what we call butts in seats.
[35:26.230 --> 35:27.250]  These are U.S. citizens with clearances who don't know jack shit about anything, but they can be billed.
[35:33.690 --> 35:34.170]  Okay?
[35:34.810 --> 35:36.430]  And this is a scam.
[35:37.610 --> 35:39.950]  And part of the problem we have is that the U.S. government is now run by contractors.
[35:43.150 --> 35:49.690]  Contractors are now occupying vital positions at every level of the national intelligence community, the national security community.
[35:49.730 --> 35:57.170]  We even have the occasional Australian who's given way too much authority just because they like his accent.
[35:58.750 --> 36:00.550]  King Cullen comes to mind.
[36:01.430 --> 36:04.690]  You know, he helped Petraeus hose up counterinsurgency.
[36:06.310 --> 36:08.450]  We should talk about Afghanistan, too.
[36:10.350 --> 36:12.950]  IT security is very, very serious.
[36:13.170 --> 36:27.490]  In 1994, Jim Anderson from NSA and Winn Schwartau and Bill Kelley and I put together a memo to the national information, national NII, national information infrastructure.
[36:28.310 --> 36:28.750]  Okay.
[36:28.990 --> 36:32.690]  And we sent this to Marty Harris and we said, Marty, you have a problem coming up.
[36:32.830 --> 36:34.290]  This is 1994 now.
[36:34.550 --> 36:39.190]  Back when I was told I was on the lunatic fringe for thinking things like this.
[36:40.990 --> 36:44.750]  We said, Marty, you need to spend a billion dollars on information security.
[36:45.510 --> 36:49.470]  You need to make sure that SCADA systems, for example, are not on the Internet.
[36:50.430 --> 36:57.850]  Well, I don't know whether Marty ever read the letter, but it is on my website if he wants to read it, if he hasn't died since then.
[36:59.970 --> 37:01.470]  This is stuff people know.
[37:01.850 --> 37:02.790]  I mean, the U.S. government was briefed about peak oil in 1974.
[37:09.210 --> 37:12.170]  And it knew about peak oil and it knows about peak water.
[37:12.330 --> 37:16.710]  And Congress has basically said, we're going to leave that for someone else because we don't want to make hard decisions.
[37:18.010 --> 37:21.450]  So I think information security is very, very important.
[37:21.870 --> 37:27.590]  And the easiest way to achieve it, in my uneducated view, is by going with open source.
[37:28.850 --> 37:33.150]  I mean, I love the Linux guys when they say, put enough eyeballs, any bug is visible.
[37:33.790 --> 37:36.930]  And I think the same is true for true cost information.
[37:36.930 --> 37:38.710]  The same is true for corruption.
[37:39.390 --> 37:43.670]  The same is true for absolutely every aspect of managing complex affairs.
[37:43.810 --> 37:46.870]  And let me just make a short digression into complexity and resilience.
[37:48.650 --> 37:54.170]  The world has gotten too complicated for barbarian stovepipe management.
[37:55.230 --> 37:55.930]  Okay?
[37:56.430 --> 38:03.690]  Basically, Washington is trying to regulate things it doesn't understand and can't control because it's not in real time.
[38:03.890 --> 38:07.950]  And they have not done the bottom-up resilience building that's needed.
[38:09.730 --> 38:10.370]  All right?
[38:10.670 --> 38:16.990]  So what we really have to think about is how do you make the whole thing open and how do you establish standards?
[38:17.130 --> 38:23.850]  For example, I've tried three times with John Chambers to get him to build an individual router.
[38:24.570 --> 38:37.190]  Why can't we have application-oriented networks at our individual laptops so that we can apply the rules to who sees what and how it's handled and so forth?
[38:37.490 --> 38:40.810]  And I don't know much about GRUB and things like that.
[38:40.830 --> 38:52.970]  But I personally believe that we should be able to install information security including content control and attributes and reach-back routing and all of that at the point of creation.
[38:54.550 --> 38:57.510]  So somebody smarter than me is going to figure that out.
[38:58.650 --> 39:02.950]  Now, does anyone want to jump up with a burning question or shall I move to dwarf tossing?
[39:05.950 --> 39:06.550]  Yes, sir.
[39:07.150 --> 39:08.310]  Can you use the microphone?
[39:09.230 --> 39:10.710]  I'm just going to inject a topic.
[39:11.730 --> 39:13.130]  Go ahead and use the microphone.
[39:13.270 --> 39:13.990]  Inject a topic.
[39:14.130 --> 39:18.550]  And you know, there's so many of you here, I feel so bad that this isn't some kind of circle.
[39:18.630 --> 39:20.810]  How many of you know about open space technology?
[39:24.850 --> 39:26.110]  I'm going to help you.
[39:27.210 --> 39:28.390]  What are you going to inject?
[39:28.810 --> 39:31.550]  I was thinking the national debt.
[39:31.770 --> 39:32.030]  Yeah.
[39:32.190 --> 39:35.610]  And possibly legalizing substances to eliminate it.
[39:38.510 --> 39:39.470]  I love it.
[39:39.590 --> 39:42.370]  I mean, marijuana absolutely should be legalized.
[39:43.510 --> 39:44.030]  And...
[39:45.490 --> 39:47.130]  But hear me clearly.
[39:47.410 --> 39:50.610]  It should not be legalized so white boys can get high legally.
[39:50.610 --> 39:53.250]  It should be legalized so we stop putting blacks in prison.
[39:53.250 --> 39:54.350]  Okay?
[39:55.630 --> 39:56.190]  Yeah.
[39:58.930 --> 40:04.850]  I mean, I personally want to eliminate the personal income tax because it's a fraud.
[40:05.190 --> 40:07.390]  I mean, we should be doing consumption taxes.
[40:07.570 --> 40:10.430]  We should be doing the Tobin tax, financial taxes, things like that.
[40:10.510 --> 40:11.150]  Interject, sir.
[40:11.770 --> 40:15.570]  Fraud in voting machines and its use in subverting recent elections.
[40:16.590 --> 40:17.690]  It's massive.
[40:18.370 --> 40:23.030]  Anybody stupid enough to accept an electronic voting machine deserves the result they get.
[40:24.190 --> 40:30.550]  And there is a member in the audience here who is telling me that some very good things are going to happen in that area.
[40:30.550 --> 40:32.330]  And I'm really excited about that.
[40:33.030 --> 40:36.250]  You know, computers were built without talking to librarians.
[40:37.130 --> 40:46.450]  I mean, this is the problem I have with engineers is they don't recognize that there are people out there that know stuff that's relevant to the metal that they're bending.
[40:47.810 --> 40:50.690]  And so we've kind of lost sight of what computers are.
[40:50.770 --> 40:51.570]  Interject, sir, please.
[40:51.830 --> 40:58.270]  What I don't understand is, you know, I read all the stuff about the vote hacking and made sense to me.
[40:58.470 --> 41:01.250]  What happened in 2006 and 2008?
[41:02.330 --> 41:06.590]  Did, you know, the Republican Party have the ability to steal the election?
[41:06.790 --> 41:07.570]  And if so, why didn't?
[41:07.570 --> 41:08.030]  Yes.
[41:08.370 --> 41:13.990]  I mean, first off, the election in 2000 was stolen by Jeb Bush, and everybody knew this in advance.
[41:15.490 --> 41:22.370]  Greg Payless, a friend of mine who I admire very much as a journalist, he did this story, breaking it in the Observer in England three months ahead of time.
[41:22.910 --> 41:34.750]  And I am told by someone who knows someone who was in the room that Warren Christopher brought the offer to Gore from Wall Street, which basically said, if you fight this, we're never going to give you a speaking fee in your lifetime.
[41:35.270 --> 41:38.330]  If you don't fight this, you will be rich beyond your dreams.
[41:38.630 --> 41:42.350]  And I don't think they threw in the Nobel Prize, but so it came to pass.
[41:42.790 --> 41:43.190]  What's that?
[41:43.190 --> 41:43.830]  The government tax credits.
[41:43.910 --> 41:44.470]  What's that?
[41:44.630 --> 41:46.210]  The government tax credits.
[41:46.650 --> 41:47.130]  Okay.
[41:47.470 --> 41:47.770]  Hang on.
[41:47.850 --> 41:48.550]  That's a fraud.
[41:48.750 --> 41:49.950]  Maurice Strong is a criminal.
[41:51.070 --> 41:51.090]  Yeah.
[41:52.230 --> 41:52.710]  And...
[41:52.710 --> 42:05.770]  But in 2004, the Ohio State Governor basically put all the good machines in the pro-Bush districts and all the bad machines in the black districts, the Democratic districts.
[42:05.970 --> 42:07.790]  And that election was stolen also.
[42:07.950 --> 42:11.610]  However, you have to give John Kerry credit.
[42:12.150 --> 42:17.350]  Anybody with a f*cking haircut like that is not qualified to be anything.
[42:18.090 --> 42:18.730]  All right?
[42:18.890 --> 42:19.230]  On TV!
[42:19.870 --> 42:22.110]  And he's married to a world-class bitch.
[42:22.330 --> 42:22.620]  Okay?
[42:23.310 --> 42:25.150]  So, the man is toast.
[42:25.410 --> 42:27.580]  And that's what I mean by controlled opposition.
[42:27.580 --> 42:28.420]  Okay?
[42:28.780 --> 42:31.400]  I mean, Kerry was basically a fool.
[42:31.680 --> 42:32.280]  He's not a fool.
[42:32.440 --> 42:33.440]  He's a very smart man.
[42:33.440 --> 42:37.460]  And he knows that George Bush is sexually conflicted and has other issues.
[42:37.500 --> 42:37.820]  Okay?
[42:38.940 --> 42:40.000]  Because he was there.
[42:41.640 --> 42:45.480]  But the reality is, these elections are just played out.
[42:45.600 --> 42:48.860]  I wrote a book, Election 2008, Lipstick on the Pig.
[42:49.620 --> 42:51.140]  And it's all free online.
[42:51.480 --> 42:53.220]  Now, I noticed there's a group out here.
[42:53.360 --> 42:56.900]  So, very quickly, let me get your questions and interjections and then we'll move on.
[42:56.900 --> 42:58.140]  Are there any other microphones?
[42:58.520 --> 42:59.980]  There's one at the front and one in the middle.
[43:00.380 --> 43:00.500]  Okay.
[43:01.020 --> 43:01.460]  Go ahead.
[43:01.800 --> 43:02.640]  So, hi, I'm from Toronto.
[43:02.880 --> 43:03.840]  We just have the G20.
[43:04.060 --> 43:07.660]  And I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on the black block, if you know about them.
[43:08.220 --> 43:09.200]  On the black?
[43:09.420 --> 43:09.680]  Block.
[43:10.480 --> 43:17.480]  So, some other people have said that they're allowed to exist or are fed by the police.
[43:18.040 --> 43:19.500]  And which is the black block?
[43:20.440 --> 43:20.880]  Anarchists.
[43:21.040 --> 43:25.340]  They break windows and there's some reason there's no cops around but hundreds of cameras.
[43:25.340 --> 43:31.000]  The sergeant of police commented that they couldn't disclose their use of those techniques.
[43:31.580 --> 43:32.100]  Yeah.
[43:32.280 --> 43:34.640]  Well, I don't want to bash the Canadians.
[43:35.760 --> 43:36.380]  It's okay.
[43:40.340 --> 43:44.620]  Look, as soon as global warming arrives, we're taking over your country, okay?
[43:46.560 --> 43:48.480]  We're just waiting for it to get warmer.
[43:50.840 --> 43:56.240]  And by the way, folks, Quebec and Scotland are the only two places that are going to have clean water if we don't get our act together.
[43:57.140 --> 43:59.180]  So, I'm starting to learn French.
[44:00.160 --> 44:01.840]  J'aime bien le Quebec.
[44:03.960 --> 44:09.880]  So, look, I'm in Guatemala where the police are a major part of the problem.
[44:10.740 --> 44:29.520]  And if you read one of my reviews of Ed Lansdale's book, the CIA has a long history of creating false insurgencies, including the Red Brigades in Italy, in order to then turn the government away from so-called communism toward their preferred fascism,
[44:29.720 --> 44:30.600]  okay?
[44:32.220 --> 44:41.500]  And the CIA also imported so many Nazis into this country that we have Otto Reich and Karl Rove and others of their ilk.
[44:42.160 --> 44:56.420]  We also have way too many double national Israeli-U.S. citizens with top secret clearances and policy positions where I think they should be re-circumcised or whatever the opposite is, you know?
[44:56.560 --> 44:59.900]  And so what if we miss a little, you know?
[44:59.900 --> 45:01.360]  But really, we're stupid.
[45:02.000 --> 45:04.980]  So, quick interjection there, quick interjection here, and then let's come back.
[45:05.160 --> 45:05.360]  Sure.
[45:05.540 --> 45:15.300]  I just wanted to talk for a moment about prohibition kind of as a tool to maintain an oppressed kind of criminalized underclass.
[45:15.860 --> 45:33.340]  And in reference to what you were saying before about intelligence being outsourced, an interesting thing to note, I think, is that Eric Prince was just, not just recently, but it was revealed that at one point in the not-too-distant past, he was actually on the payroll of the CIA.
[45:33.600 --> 45:38.320]  He was doing intelligence work, Eric Prince being the founder and CEO of Blackwater.
[45:38.880 --> 45:39.000]  Yeah, yeah.
[45:39.240 --> 45:42.540]  Well, you know, CIA is not very discriminating in who it hires.
[45:44.000 --> 45:46.340]  They really do deal with a lot of fools.
[45:47.020 --> 45:48.600]  And they throw money around.
[45:48.800 --> 45:54.340]  I mean, CIA had to close 20 of the 21 companies that it created to do non-official cover.
[45:54.580 --> 45:56.180]  They don't know how to run a business.
[45:58.440 --> 45:59.180]  This is true.
[45:59.320 --> 46:00.300]  It's in the media.
[46:00.480 --> 46:04.380]  And by the way, I'm way too smart to make a security mistake up here, okay?
[46:05.260 --> 46:06.340]  Sober or drunk.
[46:07.620 --> 46:09.940]  And so nothing I say is a secret.
[46:10.140 --> 46:11.260]  It's just common sense.
[46:11.440 --> 46:12.220]  It's out in the open.
[46:12.540 --> 46:16.140]  I honor my secrecy, my lifetime secrecy agreement.
[46:16.860 --> 46:18.420]  The men bringing drugs.
[46:18.660 --> 46:18.800]  No?
[46:19.020 --> 46:19.260]  Oh, no?
[46:19.420 --> 46:19.760]  Oh, God.
[46:20.060 --> 46:21.720]  I am so disappointed.
[46:23.300 --> 46:26.100]  I was sitting here breathless with expectations.
[46:26.660 --> 46:28.340]  It's just a goddamn bag.
[46:30.520 --> 46:31.000]  Okay.
[46:31.760 --> 46:35.160]  So, you know, CIA throws money around.
[46:35.300 --> 46:36.500]  NSA throws money around.
[46:37.640 --> 46:40.340]  We're wasting $75 billion a year.
[46:40.440 --> 46:51.640]  And General Tony Zinni, one of the last serious adults that we have, says that that provides, at best, 4% of what the President and others need to know.
[46:51.720 --> 46:54.380]  And when I did my second graduate thesis on what a U.S. Embassy could collect and what got back to Washington, I realized that Washington was running on 2% of the relevant available information.
[47:01.520 --> 47:08.200]  What I did not realize was that Washington doesn't really give a shit about whether it has information or not because it's running on ideology.
[47:08.980 --> 47:09.420]  Okay?
[47:09.580 --> 47:11.340]  And it's running on who pays for what.
[47:11.640 --> 47:13.280]  So come interject here.
[47:13.680 --> 47:14.600]  I'm just curious.
[47:14.860 --> 47:18.660]  I mean, we talk a lot about the puppets, puppeteers, all that sort of stuff.
[47:18.760 --> 47:21.740]  And ultimately coming down to, are we taking back the government?
[47:21.740 --> 47:25.880]  And I would, this is a thought that I've gone over a lot in my head.
[47:25.940 --> 47:28.260]  And I'm all, I have no answers.
[47:28.660 --> 47:34.980]  And I'd love to hear more of your real deep thoughts on how we as people can take back the local governments and build up from there.
[47:35.120 --> 47:36.960]  And we totally, I mean, without them.
[47:37.140 --> 47:39.800]  Because I'm tired of giving my energy to that system.
[47:40.180 --> 47:40.880]  Thank you.
[47:41.020 --> 47:45.340]  And I hope others that have deep, passionate concerns will bring them out here.
[47:45.340 --> 47:48.160]  Because, you know, I'm, I'm not the guy with all the answers.
[47:48.440 --> 47:49.840]  I just read more books than you do.
[47:50.380 --> 47:52.880]  Um, and it's because I have no life.
[47:53.520 --> 47:56.980]  Um, but, what did he say?
[47:58.280 --> 47:58.740]  Huh?
[48:00.160 --> 48:02.840]  Um, I'm working on that.
[48:03.720 --> 48:06.530]  Um, I'm figuring about 2012.
[48:07.720 --> 48:08.580]  Uh, you know.
[48:08.880 --> 48:09.860]  But that's all right.
[48:09.960 --> 48:14.500]  Actually, sex is way too much trouble unless you've got the affection to go with it, in my humble opinion.
[48:14.500 --> 48:17.620]  Um, oh, I know.
[48:17.760 --> 48:18.720]  Don't feel sorry for me.
[48:18.820 --> 48:19.160]  It's good.
[48:19.960 --> 48:24.340]  Um, do you want me to get deeply personal?
[48:31.260 --> 48:31.900]  All right.
[48:32.240 --> 48:36.920]  So, shall we come back to the Second American Revolution or still focus on my gut?
[48:41.480 --> 48:51.880]  Um, this system has gone so far down the toilet tubes that I'm not sure anything less than a tax revolt and a general strike will do.
[48:52.600 --> 48:55.660]  Um, I also believe we have the power.
[48:55.980 --> 49:00.140]  I mean, I deal with some extreme rightists in Latin America.
[49:00.140 --> 49:07.380]  And, and they like to think that, uh, the, the, the higher end, the wealthier guys like to think that machine guns will solve it.
[49:07.380 --> 49:14.100]  The lower end likes to just take a machete and leave a severed head in front of whatever ministry they're pissed off at that day.
[49:14.800 --> 49:21.880]  Um, there aren't enough machine guns on the planet to kill every cockroach that's gonna come out of the woodwork.
[49:22.380 --> 49:23.920]  And we're the cockroaches.
[49:24.820 --> 49:24.880]  Okay.
[49:25.480 --> 49:25.600]  Huh?
[49:26.160 --> 49:27.380]  Need more machine guns.
[49:27.500 --> 49:27.560]  Yeah.
[49:27.680 --> 49:27.880]  Oh, no.
[49:27.980 --> 49:29.160]  Precision machine guns.
[49:29.340 --> 49:30.520]  DARPA's working on that.
[49:30.700 --> 49:32.180]  With a little cockroach bullet.
[49:32.480 --> 49:32.720]  Okay.
[49:33.080 --> 49:35.640]  This is the place DARPA, I, I just can't believe it.
[49:35.780 --> 49:39.820]  DARPA is spending money on a robot that won't violate human rights.
[49:43.700 --> 49:45.360]  I don't make this stuff up.
[49:46.200 --> 49:52.920]  Um, you know, if we spent, if we spent a fraction of what we spend on war on peace, I can solve every problem on the planet for $230.
[49:52.920 --> 49:53.620]  billion a year.
[49:53.940 --> 49:59.020]  And we're spending $1.3 trillion on, on not just, we're not even spending it on war.
[49:59.240 --> 50:00.980]  We're spending it on contractors.
[50:01.720 --> 50:02.200]  Okay.
[50:02.540 --> 50:07.040]  Uh, and we just had a wonderful report come out on the small arms.
[50:07.180 --> 50:09.820]  We're still playing with tinker toys on the battlefield.
[50:10.280 --> 50:15.940]  The, uh, the M1, A1, whatever the hell they're using now in Afghanistan is basically effective out to 300 meters.
[50:16.180 --> 50:19.180]  And the Taliban is picking us apart from 500 meters.
[50:19.420 --> 50:24.300]  Uh, and oh, by the way, these are the guys we trained because the Taliban, runs everyone through the U.S. Army training program so they can fatten them up a little bit and learn all of our tactics and then they go back out and give them back to us.
[50:32.000 --> 50:33.740]  Kind of, that makes no sense at all.
[50:34.200 --> 50:36.320]  But we're not smart enough to figure that out.
[50:36.460 --> 50:38.260]  That's why biometrics is so big.
[50:38.500 --> 50:39.740]  Um, you know.
[50:40.180 --> 50:41.580]  Uh, and here in the U.S. we like to train the gangs.
[50:43.440 --> 50:43.780]  Okay.
[50:43.780 --> 50:54.280]  I mean, the Mara's now, my good buddies in the Mara's, they've figured out it's not cool to have tattoos because that kind of highlights the fact that you're a major league criminal who's willing to kill for $10.
[50:55.060 --> 50:55.500]  Okay.
[50:55.960 --> 50:59.140]  Uh, so now they're learning how to dress up and get haircuts.
[50:59.680 --> 51:01.080]  Uh, and they join the U.S. Army and they become really good at this stuff and then they go practice their trade in Central America.
[51:05.500 --> 51:10.300]  Um, you know, what kind of country trains its enemies to kill us?
[51:10.660 --> 51:13.060]  Um, so I'm sorry.
[51:13.160 --> 51:14.360]  I've, I've gotten distracted.
[51:14.500 --> 51:14.800]  Let me see.
[51:14.860 --> 51:15.680]  Dwarf tossing.
[51:16.140 --> 51:16.240]  Um.
[51:17.060 --> 51:18.020]  I have an interjection.
[51:18.280 --> 51:18.500]  What?
[51:18.840 --> 51:19.440]  I have something.
[51:19.580 --> 51:19.840]  I have something.
[51:19.840 --> 51:20.020]  Yes.
[51:20.620 --> 51:26.000]  Uh, so you already named my big fear factor right now is water, Marcellus shale drilling.
[51:26.520 --> 51:26.900]  Wait, wait.
[51:27.340 --> 51:27.940]  Uh, water?
[51:28.860 --> 51:30.880]  So the Marcellus shale drilling?
[51:31.060 --> 51:31.880]  Oh yeah, that's idiocy.
[51:32.120 --> 51:32.480]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[51:32.600 --> 51:35.480]  Please, please talk about that and how it's tied in with other companies.
[51:35.480 --> 51:36.940]  That are now stealing water.
[51:37.040 --> 51:37.220]  All right.
[51:37.360 --> 51:40.840]  Can somebody get this computer to work so that I can show some slides?
[51:41.480 --> 51:44.060]  Um, I'll stand here.
[51:44.600 --> 51:45.140]  All right.
[51:45.280 --> 51:47.020]  Let me, I'll, I'm turning it on now.
[51:47.240 --> 51:48.460]  I know how to do that.
[51:50.160 --> 51:51.660]  My kids laugh at me.
[51:52.300 --> 51:56.120]  Um, my oldest son just got accepted at the Ross Chester Institute of Technology.
[51:56.300 --> 51:59.760]  I just have to figure out which banks to rob so he can go there.
[52:00.000 --> 52:02.340]  Um, but I'm very proud of him.
[52:02.700 --> 52:04.700]  Uh, he's the son that I brought here.
[52:04.700 --> 52:07.020]  Was it two years ago or four years ago?
[52:07.240 --> 52:07.780]  Two years.
[52:08.060 --> 52:08.300]  Two?
[52:08.860 --> 52:09.660]  Patrick James.
[52:09.940 --> 52:10.020]  Yes.
[52:10.460 --> 52:11.600]  Can we, let's see.
[52:11.940 --> 52:12.620]  It should just work.
[52:12.620 --> 52:13.600]  It should just work.
[52:13.720 --> 52:14.620]  Oh, that's what she said.
[52:15.160 --> 52:15.740]  Uh, okay.
[52:16.140 --> 52:17.100]  Come on up here.
[52:21.460 --> 52:22.260]  All right.
[52:22.400 --> 52:23.360]  Now show me the Internet.
[52:29.130 --> 52:30.530]  Are we on F5 or?
[52:31.070 --> 52:31.530]  Oh, good.
[52:43.220 --> 52:43.800]  All right.
[52:43.940 --> 52:44.140]  Okay.
[52:44.240 --> 52:44.440]  Good.
[52:44.600 --> 52:44.760]  Good.
[52:44.880 --> 52:44.960]  Good.
[52:45.160 --> 52:45.180]  Good.
[52:45.180 --> 52:48.980]  Now, uh, it says it's connected, but I, I couldn't get online.
[52:52.740 --> 52:54.080]  I really love the water.
[52:54.240 --> 52:55.860]  I really love the water question.
[53:00.320 --> 53:07.260]  You know, one of the things I'd like to talk about, and, and I really encourage you smart people to go look at OSS.net forward slash.
[53:07.440 --> 53:09.140]  Uh, thank you.
[53:09.460 --> 53:10.080]  Thank you.
[53:10.200 --> 53:10.540]  Thank you.
[53:11.420 --> 53:12.300]  Thank you.
[53:12.620 --> 53:13.420]  Have a soda.
[53:13.580 --> 53:14.340]  They're bringing me more.
[53:15.580 --> 53:16.020]  Okay.
[53:16.380 --> 53:16.820]  Thank you.
[53:17.480 --> 53:18.900]  Um, all right.
[53:18.900 --> 53:20.260]  This is Phi Beta Iota.
[53:21.400 --> 53:21.940]  What?
[53:23.560 --> 53:24.100]  Okay.
[53:25.720 --> 53:29.040]  Uh, this is Phi Beta Iota, and I read in 98 categories.
[53:29.620 --> 53:33.560]  So you can go down and, uh, and find book reviews.
[53:34.640 --> 53:35.180]  Okay.
[53:35.360 --> 53:43.500]  For instance, Empire, Sorrows, uh, games modeling, future information operations, 101 books, information society, information technology.
[53:43.800 --> 53:46.260]  So this, these are like cliff notes for smart people.
[53:47.280 --> 53:50.140]  Um, and, uh, I write summative reviews.
[53:50.500 --> 53:52.160]  So I encourage you to go there.
[53:52.300 --> 53:56.800]  Now, what I want to do, I think, is go to graphics and that will give us some stuff to talk about.
[53:57.520 --> 54:02.920]  Um, water is one of 12 core policies.
[54:03.100 --> 54:04.320]  Yes, interject while I'm looking.
[54:04.700 --> 54:04.940]  Oh, no.
[54:05.060 --> 54:05.300]  Go ahead.
[54:05.420 --> 54:06.160]  You finish on water.
[54:06.300 --> 54:06.660]  You sure?
[54:06.780 --> 54:09.440]  Oh, I'm never going to finish on water, but, uh, okay.
[54:10.180 --> 54:10.560]  Um...
[54:10.560 --> 54:11.500]  Eight hours.
[54:12.020 --> 54:12.820]  This is true.
[54:12.820 --> 54:16.760]  Actually, I have, I have to be in Washington at three o'clock for a cookout.
[54:17.160 --> 54:19.240]  So five from three is what?
[54:19.520 --> 54:20.000]  Uh, ten?
[54:20.560 --> 54:20.900]  Okay.
[54:21.260 --> 54:22.040]  No problem.
[54:22.520 --> 54:26.060]  Um, I really, I'm, I'm here until the last man standing.
[54:29.240 --> 54:29.760]  Um...
[54:29.760 --> 54:30.100]  Okay.
[54:30.640 --> 54:33.260]  Here are the ten high-level threats to humanity.
[54:34.460 --> 54:36.740]  And you'll notice that, uh, let's see if this...
[54:36.740 --> 54:37.220]  Beyond currency.
[54:37.900 --> 54:38.520]  What's that?
[54:38.640 --> 54:40.100]  Beyond currency, number one.
[54:43.950 --> 54:44.510]  Beyond currency.
[54:44.590 --> 54:44.890]  All right.
[54:45.030 --> 54:45.970]  Can you guys see this?
[54:46.170 --> 54:47.530]  No, you can't, can you?
[54:48.490 --> 54:48.950]  Um...
[54:48.950 --> 54:50.870]  Your presentation ones were larger.
[54:51.090 --> 54:52.010]  Yeah, you're right.
[54:52.290 --> 54:52.530]  Okay.
[54:53.030 --> 54:53.710]  Hold on.
[54:53.830 --> 54:54.270]  Here we go.
[54:55.710 --> 54:56.470]  Excuse me.
[54:58.030 --> 54:58.510]  Um...
[54:58.510 --> 54:58.930]  All right.
[54:59.290 --> 55:01.770]  You know, everything I do is free online.
[55:01.770 --> 55:06.570]  Uh, if you decide to buy the books, Jay-Z is out there selling the books and the t-shirts.
[55:06.950 --> 55:10.110]  Um, and, and of course I'd be grateful if you did.
[55:10.530 --> 55:14.690]  Um, but, um, but everything is free online.
[55:14.890 --> 55:15.050]  All right.
[55:15.150 --> 55:18.130]  This is the OSIN staff briefing, which has some pretty cool graphics in it.
[55:18.230 --> 55:22.010]  And I'll just use one and then we'll come to you, uh, very quickly.
[55:22.570 --> 55:36.070]  Um, the problem with, with government and with corporations is, number one, they don't have a strategic analytic model, uh, and number two, they, uh, they don't actually do analysis.
[55:36.390 --> 55:38.230]  This is the, uh, this is the graphic.
[55:38.730 --> 55:41.670]  The UN is not as bad.
[55:41.810 --> 55:46.050]  It is as bad actually as most people think, but only because it listens to its member states.
[55:47.750 --> 55:48.310]  Um...
[55:48.310 --> 55:56.290]  Once the UN separates itself from the member states that lie to it and populate it with spies, and I don't mind the spies taking people to lunch.
[55:56.630 --> 56:00.830]  I do mind the spies being really incompetent at their cover jobs.
[56:01.550 --> 56:08.030]  Because what that means is the UN is one third nepotism and one third spies that don't know what to do in a humanitarian crisis.
[56:08.390 --> 56:11.830]  And then one third real people that are carrying the entire UN on their back.
[56:12.290 --> 56:12.670]  Okay.
[56:13.150 --> 56:18.310]  Um, but the UN came up with a high level threat panel, came up with the 10 high level threats to humanity.
[56:18.910 --> 56:20.510]  And I really respect this.
[56:20.630 --> 56:22.270]  And Brent Scowcroft was part of this group.
[56:22.270 --> 56:24.530]  So poverty, disease, ecology.
[56:24.750 --> 56:26.030]  Can you all see that in the back?
[56:26.430 --> 56:26.490]  F5.
[56:26.750 --> 56:27.190]  F5.
[56:28.790 --> 56:29.230]  F5.
[56:29.470 --> 56:29.610]  Oh!
[56:29.790 --> 56:29.930]  Oh!
[56:30.070 --> 56:31.090]  You're teaching me shit.
[56:31.250 --> 56:31.370]  Alright.
[56:31.530 --> 56:31.890]  Hang on.
[56:34.430 --> 56:36.490]  Hold the shift and press F5.
[56:36.790 --> 56:37.290]  Oh, please.
[56:37.490 --> 56:38.030]  Don't talk dirty.
[56:39.870 --> 56:40.310]  Alright.
[56:40.530 --> 56:41.430]  Control shift.
[56:41.630 --> 56:42.130]  I tried that.
[56:51.830 --> 56:53.410]  This is a great brief, by the way.
[56:54.870 --> 56:55.310]  Uh...
[56:55.310 --> 56:59.150]  And unfortunately, it did not get me the job that I wanted, which...
[56:59.150 --> 56:59.690]  Okay.
[56:59.930 --> 56:59.990]  Okay.
[57:01.470 --> 57:01.850]  Alright.
[57:02.090 --> 57:04.230]  So, 10 high level threats to humanity.
[57:04.610 --> 57:05.770]  And then I...
[57:05.770 --> 57:08.250]  I was about to sell my company for 10 million.
[57:08.450 --> 57:12.950]  And I was going to give five to my wife and five to my nonprofit, which Jay-Z is running.
[57:14.610 --> 57:21.730]  But I recruited 24 really high value people, including Mitch Ratcliffe and John Raymer, a bunch of good people out of Seattle.
[57:23.010 --> 57:36.590]  And we basically looked at the presidential transition things for the last 25 years and came up with 12 policies that really matter that must be addressed in tandem from agriculture through water.
[57:36.710 --> 57:48.010]  For example, it makes no sense to use water we don't have to grow grain we can't eat to fuel cars that should be running on natural gas from Canada or should actually be melted down and turned into train wheels.
[57:48.010 --> 57:48.870]  Okay.
[57:49.570 --> 57:50.410]  Um...
[57:50.410 --> 57:52.710]  So, this is holistic analysis.
[57:52.990 --> 57:56.550]  And I've created four major strategic analytic models in my lifetime.
[57:56.890 --> 58:01.030]  And it stuns me that the U.S. government and CIA in particular and major corporations are completely inept.
[58:06.970 --> 58:08.010]  How do we fight
[58:11.090 --> 58:11.390]  Monsanto?
[58:12.110 --> 58:12.550]  Um...
[58:12.550 --> 58:14.450]  That's a really, really good question.
[58:14.810 --> 58:15.110]  Uh...
[58:15.110 --> 58:17.650]  The question is how do we fight Monsanto and so forth.
[58:17.730 --> 58:20.690]  I mean, this whole thing of of one generation seeds is criminal.
[58:20.870 --> 58:21.050]  That's...
[58:21.050 --> 58:21.810]  That's...
[58:21.810 --> 58:22.770]  That's a...
[58:22.770 --> 58:23.430]  You can't.
[58:23.550 --> 58:24.190]  You can't.
[58:24.210 --> 58:24.310]  Alright.
[58:24.570 --> 58:25.850]  Look, at some point...
[58:25.850 --> 58:26.170]  Hang on.
[58:26.290 --> 58:27.170]  You've got to stand in line.
[58:27.370 --> 58:28.630]  Because at some point...
[58:28.630 --> 58:32.450]  At some point, we're going to have to understand that the laws are illegal.
[58:33.110 --> 58:33.510]  Yes.
[58:33.950 --> 58:34.390]  Okay.
[58:35.350 --> 58:35.790]  Um...
[58:35.790 --> 58:39.290]  And we're going to have to go with common sense.
[58:39.290 --> 58:40.730]  Now, please interject here.
[58:41.810 --> 58:42.250]  Uh...
[58:42.250 --> 58:42.950]  You were, uh...
[58:42.950 --> 58:43.750]  Talking about Afghanistan.
[58:43.990 --> 58:45.310]  I was going to ask if, uh...
[58:45.310 --> 58:48.230]  His name escapes me, but the general that just recently got fired, uh...
[58:48.230 --> 58:49.270]  What you might have to say about that.
[58:49.710 --> 58:50.590]  Oh, McChrystal.
[58:50.710 --> 58:51.110]  McChrystal.
[58:51.230 --> 58:51.390]  Yeah, there you go.
[58:51.490 --> 58:51.530]  Yeah.
[58:53.170 --> 58:58.130]  McChrystal is an extremely competent colonel that got promoted above his grade.
[58:59.390 --> 58:59.830]  Um...
[58:59.830 --> 59:01.530]  And that's most of our flag officers.
[59:01.790 --> 59:02.870]  Most of our admirals.
[59:03.250 --> 59:04.730]  They've won the beauty contest.
[59:05.430 --> 59:06.310]  They're housebroken.
[59:07.190 --> 59:07.630]  Uh...
[59:07.630 --> 59:13.270]  They're willing to confuse their oath to support the Constitution with...
[59:13.270 --> 59:16.250]  They substitute loyalty to the chain of command.
[59:17.010 --> 59:17.610]  Alright?
[59:18.170 --> 59:24.070]  When we swear an oath to the Constitution, we swear an oath to defend it against all enemies, domestic and foreign.
[59:24.290 --> 59:25.950]  And I do believe domestic comes first.
[59:26.730 --> 59:27.330]  Okay?
[59:27.330 --> 59:33.810]  So that, for me, basically means the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, every political appointee in government.
[59:35.070 --> 59:35.550]  Um...
[59:35.550 --> 59:41.410]  And most certainly, any president dumb enough to not actually try and do intelligence-driven government.
[59:41.590 --> 59:42.570]  I mean, it's not about dumb.
[59:42.710 --> 59:43.810]  Obama's very smart.
[59:43.910 --> 59:45.370]  He's simply been bought and paid for.
[59:45.370 --> 59:46.990]  And so has Bill Bradley.
[59:47.290 --> 59:50.310]  Bill Bradley is working for one of the top Wall Street firms.
[59:50.990 --> 59:51.370]  Uh...
[59:51.370 --> 59:52.570]  He basically sold out.
[59:52.810 --> 59:57.590]  And all of these guys kind of see the tea leaves and they decide we're not worth fighting for.
[59:58.850 --> 59:59.350]  Okay?
[59:59.610 --> 01:00:01.590]  That's the bottom line on Bill Bradley.
[01:00:01.770 --> 01:00:03.370]  We were not worth fighting for.
[01:00:04.290 --> 01:00:05.830]  And that really hurts me.
[01:00:06.010 --> 01:00:07.090]  I take it personally.
[01:00:07.710 --> 01:00:07.970]  Uh...
[01:00:07.970 --> 01:00:08.530]  Interjection.
[01:00:09.110 --> 01:00:11.070]  Related to the topic of fiat...
[01:00:11.070 --> 01:00:11.650]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[01:00:11.770 --> 01:00:12.230]  Speak up, please.
[01:00:12.450 --> 01:00:22.930]  Related to the topic of fiat currency, how much current control is there in this country, in the government, military, and perhaps business, by the Masons?
[01:00:23.750 --> 01:00:24.810]  I don't know.
[01:00:25.510 --> 01:00:26.030]  Uh...
[01:00:26.030 --> 01:00:38.090]  But I will tell you that I think the Rothschilds firmly control the New York Federal Reserve and the National Federal Reserve, which is neither Federal nor a Reserve, and the Secretary of the Treasury.
[01:00:38.230 --> 01:00:45.450]  If you look at who's been Secretary of the Treasury for the last five or six administrations, it has always been someone from Goldman Sachs.
[01:00:46.710 --> 01:00:47.270]  Um...
[01:00:47.270 --> 01:00:53.190]  And so, what I really see is a very deliberate plan to devalue the U.S. dollar, but they've already moved all their assets overseas.
[01:00:56.530 --> 01:00:58.310]  These guys are building bunkers in Dubai.
[01:00:59.070 --> 01:00:59.630]  Okay?
[01:00:59.630 --> 01:01:01.710]  They've already got their 75 virgins.
[01:01:02.230 --> 01:01:04.550]  I think they went to West Virginia or someplace.
[01:01:05.170 --> 01:01:05.410]  Uh...
[01:01:05.410 --> 01:01:05.570]  You know?
[01:01:05.850 --> 01:01:07.370]  Maybe that's the wrong state.
[01:01:07.790 --> 01:01:08.630]  But, uh...
[01:01:10.090 --> 01:01:14.810]  They've got their virgins set up and waiting for them, and in Dick Cheney's case, both.
[01:01:15.330 --> 01:01:15.630]  Uh...
[01:01:15.630 --> 01:01:15.830]  You know?
[01:01:16.090 --> 01:01:17.190]  I mean, so...
[01:01:17.190 --> 01:01:18.910]  Our money is worthless.
[01:01:19.850 --> 01:01:20.370]  Uh...
[01:01:20.370 --> 01:01:22.090]  And it really frosts me.
[01:01:22.090 --> 01:01:22.650]  I...
[01:01:22.650 --> 01:01:29.150]  I still remember, and okay, I'm dating myself now, I would get 35 cents to go see a movie and buy popcorn.
[01:01:30.250 --> 01:01:32.690]  25 cents for the movie and 10 cents for the popcorn.
[01:01:32.770 --> 01:01:33.750]  Who else remembers that?
[01:01:34.810 --> 01:01:35.610]  All right, all right.
[01:01:35.710 --> 01:01:37.370]  Oh, we've got four old guys in the room.
[01:01:37.490 --> 01:01:37.670]  Okay.
[01:01:37.670 --> 01:01:38.190]  Fire?
[01:01:38.490 --> 01:01:38.890]  What?
[01:01:39.170 --> 01:01:40.070]  Did you have fire?
[01:01:41.710 --> 01:01:42.690]  What did he say?
[01:01:42.770 --> 01:01:43.830]  Did you have fire?
[01:01:44.090 --> 01:01:45.970]  Did you have fire back then?
[01:01:46.050 --> 01:01:47.150]  Had fire been started?
[01:01:48.450 --> 01:01:49.030]  Oh...
[01:01:51.730 --> 01:01:53.290]  That's a hard question.
[01:01:53.930 --> 01:01:54.370]  Uh...
[01:01:54.370 --> 01:01:54.870]  Go on.
[01:01:56.250 --> 01:02:07.430]  The reason about the Masons, I ask, when we look at a map of Washington, D.C., you can, of course, go to Bing, Google Earth, Google Maps, and you see the big pentagram amplifying its power into the White House.
[01:02:07.550 --> 01:02:07.690]  Yeah.
[01:02:08.010 --> 01:02:09.390]  Plus the other Masonic symbols.
[01:02:09.510 --> 01:02:11.010]  Well, I do believe that...
[01:02:11.010 --> 01:02:14.970]  I do believe that Washington was laid out in a Masonic pattern.
[01:02:15.210 --> 01:02:21.250]  And I absolutely love these Dan Brown movies and stuff.
[01:02:21.250 --> 01:02:29.470]  And, you know, I mean, it's really interesting because, number one, the Rothschilds and company did not plan on the nuclear bomb.
[01:02:30.090 --> 01:02:38.530]  The nuclear bomb messed up their plans because it kind of made war unprofitable for a large number of people.
[01:02:38.590 --> 01:02:43.270]  And so they had to back off from nuclear and invent low-intensity conflict.
[01:02:43.630 --> 01:02:44.130]  Okay?
[01:02:44.330 --> 01:02:49.810]  And if you read my review of the book on Lansdale, where the Philippines, basically, we invented terrorists and terrorists.
[01:02:49.810 --> 01:02:53.070]  And in Vietnam, we bombed Buddhist temples.
[01:02:53.470 --> 01:02:53.890]  Okay?
[01:02:54.230 --> 01:02:57.350]  And so, basically, we've done a lot of evil.
[01:02:57.550 --> 01:03:00.150]  A lot of evil has been done in our name.
[01:03:01.850 --> 01:03:03.610]  There's a book that I reviewed.
[01:03:03.930 --> 01:03:06.250]  I think it's called Rule by Secrecy.
[01:03:06.810 --> 01:03:08.790]  And the last chapter...
[01:03:08.790 --> 01:03:10.950]  Yeah, the last chapter is about aliens.
[01:03:11.670 --> 01:03:13.390]  And Emmanuel has mentioned.
[01:03:15.710 --> 01:03:18.230]  And it's a very, very good book.
[01:03:18.370 --> 01:03:20.930]  In my review, I did not mention the alien parts.
[01:03:20.930 --> 01:03:24.510]  I will tell you, I absolutely believe in extraterrestrial intelligence.
[01:03:24.750 --> 01:03:31.210]  And I also believe with the gentleman who was on TV a few months ago who thinks we're under quarantine because we scare them.
[01:03:32.350 --> 01:03:35.250]  I mean, we're just like an out-of-control Borg.
[01:03:35.530 --> 01:03:36.590]  You will be assimilated.
[01:03:37.170 --> 01:03:37.730]  Yes, sir?
[01:03:38.670 --> 01:03:43.910]  In your lifetime, do you think that you'll see a North American union?
[01:03:45.330 --> 01:03:46.790]  The short answer is no.
[01:03:46.930 --> 01:03:49.410]  I think I'll see Vermont secede from the union first.
[01:03:49.970 --> 01:03:50.650]  I'll take that.
[01:03:51.490 --> 01:03:51.990]  All right?
[01:03:52.170 --> 01:03:55.570]  There are 5,000 secession movements around the world.
[01:03:56.090 --> 01:04:01.850]  And indigenous peoples, and I really do want to talk about what we can learn from indigenous peoples and how much we've ignored.
[01:04:02.030 --> 01:04:03.030]  Sir, would you like to interject?
[01:04:03.430 --> 01:04:03.870]  Sure.
[01:04:04.070 --> 01:04:05.290]  I just had a couple questions.
[01:04:06.810 --> 01:04:09.970]  Nisam Taleb's book, The Black Swan, did you read it?
[01:04:10.190 --> 01:04:10.530]  Yes.
[01:04:10.850 --> 01:04:11.490]  What did you think of it?
[01:04:11.590 --> 01:04:12.210]  I liked it.
[01:04:13.690 --> 01:04:16.110]  It was, for me, very, very interesting.
[01:04:17.290 --> 01:04:25.970]  One of the problems that we have is that industrial society tends to build up its attention capability toward what it knows.
[01:04:26.310 --> 01:04:28.850]  And it's really rotten at weak signals.
[01:04:28.850 --> 01:04:38.670]  And it's also really rotten at forecasting, and it's really rotten at sharing information or making connections across boundaries.
[01:04:39.050 --> 01:04:40.330]  So I liked it.
[01:04:41.470 --> 01:04:44.570]  One of the things I also like is the precautionary principle.
[01:04:44.870 --> 01:04:48.830]  But let me ask you, what did you think of it, and what kind of point are you trying to make?
[01:04:48.830 --> 01:04:53.330]  Well, besides him being a bit of a blowhard, I think it was...
[01:04:53.330 --> 01:04:54.350]  Authors usually are.
[01:04:54.510 --> 01:04:54.630]  Yeah.
[01:04:55.230 --> 01:04:58.110]  It was a very interesting read.
[01:04:58.230 --> 01:05:02.050]  But the reason I bring it up is I got this question in my talk, and I wanted to pose it to you.
[01:05:02.490 --> 01:05:11.830]  In doing a risk analysis, at what point do we stop adding, like, the ridiculously improbable events that are massively valuable?
[01:05:13.710 --> 01:05:15.890]  So, EMPs going off, things like that.
[01:05:16.610 --> 01:05:21.550]  Is there a cutoff point at which we should stop worrying about them because they're so infinitesimally probable?
[01:05:21.850 --> 01:05:24.370]  Or should we include everything including zombies?
[01:05:25.050 --> 01:05:27.870]  Well, some of my best friends are zombies.
[01:05:30.270 --> 01:05:32.570]  I actually would flip the thing on you.
[01:05:33.230 --> 01:05:35.230]  I mean, take the cell phones and bees.
[01:05:36.070 --> 01:05:39.210]  You know, there's a scientific principle, the precautionary principle.
[01:05:40.310 --> 01:05:42.770]  And, I mean, we're our own worst enemy.
[01:05:43.270 --> 01:05:47.010]  And so, what I think we should be focusing on is the obvious.
[01:05:47.250 --> 01:05:49.930]  What can we not do that we're doing to ourselves now?
[01:05:50.410 --> 01:05:54.670]  And until we've cracked that one, forget about all the infinitesimal stuff.
[01:05:55.410 --> 01:05:59.610]  There's an excellent book by Charles Perrault, who also wrote high-tech...
[01:06:00.410 --> 01:06:01.350]  What did he write?
[01:06:01.430 --> 01:06:02.310]  What was the first title?
[01:06:02.310 --> 01:06:08.250]  Well, high-risk, living with high-risk technology, whatever.
[01:06:08.450 --> 01:06:25.410]  But he's written a book called Catastrophe, in which he points out that one chemical disaster from one chlorine tank that is already rusted out at the bottom on this New Jersey turnpike going into New York City, I mean, that is worse than a thousand terrorist incidents.
[01:06:26.910 --> 01:06:38.570]  What we do every day to ourselves in toxins, not just electronic trash, but what we do with food, the subsidies that we provide to cattle that shit in our spinach.
[01:06:39.730 --> 01:06:40.290]  Oil spills?
[01:06:40.510 --> 01:06:41.390]  Oil spills?
[01:06:41.810 --> 01:06:46.330]  Yeah, I mean, oil spills, you know, all of this stuff is insane.
[01:06:47.170 --> 01:06:49.630]  I mean, it really is literally insane.
[01:06:51.150 --> 01:06:56.530]  And so this strategic analytic model, these two little red things here, is where the U.S. government is putting all of your money.
[01:06:58.510 --> 01:07:01.550]  And it's not really putting your money against the threats.
[01:07:02.010 --> 01:07:05.270]  It's putting your money into contractors who pay congressmen.
[01:07:05.350 --> 01:07:12.010]  And in fairness to the contractors, it's the congressmen that are shaking down the contractors, not the contractors trying to bribe the congressmen.
[01:07:12.550 --> 01:07:12.990]  Okay?
[01:07:13.630 --> 01:07:17.690]  So, I mean, America is the root of corruption on this planet, in my opinion.
[01:07:18.390 --> 01:07:20.090]  And that's what we've got to get at.
[01:07:20.410 --> 01:07:25.050]  So, I would change your question and basically say, let's get back to fundamentals.
[01:07:25.470 --> 01:07:30.730]  And stop putting a bullet in our head while we worry about syphilis in our toes.
[01:07:31.710 --> 01:07:34.610]  Is that kind of... I'm sorry, I overreached on that one.
[01:07:34.730 --> 01:07:35.130]  I blew it.
[01:07:35.710 --> 01:07:35.970]  Thank you.
[01:07:36.170 --> 01:07:36.910]  Over here, sir?
[01:07:39.190 --> 01:07:42.530]  Well, I kind of have a burning, deep burning question to ask.
[01:07:42.710 --> 01:07:49.710]  But I also would really like to see you get to your slides and to hear you talk about dwarf tossing.
[01:07:49.990 --> 01:07:51.410]  So, actually, I'm going to...
[01:07:51.410 --> 01:07:52.510]  Do we have a dwarf in the room?
[01:07:54.110 --> 01:07:54.810]  How about a...
[01:07:54.810 --> 01:07:55.810]  A small girl will do.
[01:07:56.510 --> 01:07:59.390]  Well, let's wrap up this round and maybe the next round.
[01:07:59.390 --> 01:07:59.570]  All right.
[01:07:59.650 --> 01:08:01.150]  Seriously, I'd really like to...
[01:08:01.150 --> 01:08:01.430]  Okay.
[01:08:01.810 --> 01:08:02.310]  Go ahead.
[01:08:02.510 --> 01:08:03.730]  No, but what's your burning question?
[01:08:04.010 --> 01:08:04.410]  Well...
[01:08:04.910 --> 01:08:05.490]  Go with it.
[01:08:06.070 --> 01:08:06.810]  Just go with it.
[01:08:06.850 --> 01:08:07.330]  Just go with it.
[01:08:07.330 --> 01:08:07.770]  Diversity matters.
[01:08:08.730 --> 01:08:08.950]  Okay.
[01:08:09.730 --> 01:08:10.130]  It's...
[01:08:10.130 --> 01:08:10.810]  Okay, dude.
[01:08:10.970 --> 01:08:11.450]  It's just this.
[01:08:11.650 --> 01:08:12.310]  It's like...
[01:08:12.310 --> 01:08:14.430]  Dude, I haven't been called dude since the 60s.
[01:08:17.290 --> 01:08:17.690]  You...
[01:08:18.350 --> 01:08:18.750]  Well...
[01:08:19.410 --> 01:08:20.610]  You seem like a good guy.
[01:08:21.010 --> 01:08:22.110]  I'm feeling you.
[01:08:22.210 --> 01:08:23.110]  I mean, I've been reading your stuff.
[01:08:23.110 --> 01:08:24.250]  I hope you're not feeling me.
[01:08:24.670 --> 01:08:24.950]  No.
[01:08:25.990 --> 01:08:26.390]  Okay.
[01:08:29.750 --> 01:08:30.550]  You say...
[01:08:30.550 --> 01:08:33.750]  You have a lot of basic truths on, like, the human level.
[01:08:33.750 --> 01:08:34.350]  Okay.
[01:08:34.670 --> 01:08:35.350]  I get that.
[01:08:35.510 --> 01:08:35.910]  I get that.
[01:08:36.550 --> 01:08:36.610]  I get that.
[01:08:36.610 --> 01:08:36.870]  But...
[01:08:36.870 --> 01:08:46.750]  Back in, you know, the reality-based community, you seem to have a way of putting things out there as, like, factual that just aren't...
[01:08:47.810 --> 01:08:48.330]  So...
[01:08:48.330 --> 01:08:49.170]  Give me an example.
[01:08:49.170 --> 01:08:49.190]  Okay.
[01:08:49.510 --> 01:08:49.970]  So, for...
[01:08:49.970 --> 01:09:02.430]  Well, for example, yesterday you were saying that the Obama campaign had gathered $750 million in financing, of which $300 million is unaccounted for.
[01:09:05.190 --> 01:09:07.410]  So, that was also today, perhaps.
[01:09:07.710 --> 01:09:07.970]  Okay.
[01:09:08.130 --> 01:09:09.630]  So, I did it twice.
[01:09:09.870 --> 01:09:11.330]  So, other than your own...
[01:09:11.330 --> 01:09:12.510]  Are you saying that's untrue?
[01:09:12.830 --> 01:09:13.730]  I'm asking you.
[01:09:13.890 --> 01:09:17.410]  Other than your own ass, do you actually have a factual source?
[01:09:17.630 --> 01:09:19.410]  I read it in a factual source.
[01:09:19.450 --> 01:09:19.950]  Which was?
[01:09:21.170 --> 01:09:24.010]  I'm very, very sorry, but I did not take notes.
[01:09:24.910 --> 01:09:25.390]  However...
[01:09:25.390 --> 01:09:27.810]  The thing is, you're making a very heavy...
[01:09:28.450 --> 01:09:30.290]  Very heavy-handed assertion if you're not...
[01:09:30.290 --> 01:09:31.050]  It's time for you to go to bed.
[01:09:32.230 --> 01:09:32.590]  Um...
[01:09:32.590 --> 01:09:32.850]  That...
[01:09:32.850 --> 01:09:34.650]  Is that your answer to question when someone...
[01:09:34.650 --> 01:09:35.730]  No, I'm actually...
[01:09:35.730 --> 01:09:37.890]  I'm actually gonna Google for the answer, okay?
[01:09:37.990 --> 01:09:39.550]  I know how to Google for the answer.
[01:09:39.650 --> 01:09:40.490]  Let's see if it comes up.
[01:09:40.490 --> 01:09:41.490]  Go ahead and Google for the answer and I'll go to bed.
[01:09:41.570 --> 01:09:41.730]  All right.
[01:09:42.070 --> 01:09:42.350]  Okay.
[01:09:42.570 --> 01:09:42.730]  Good.
[01:09:43.530 --> 01:09:45.010]  Let me just get to...
[01:09:45.010 --> 01:09:46.610]  I'll be at the pub, but I mean...
[01:09:46.610 --> 01:09:46.950]  No.
[01:09:47.150 --> 01:09:49.490]  You know, I mean, you're offensive in a way.
[01:09:50.450 --> 01:09:52.610]  Because I'm here to try and titillate you.
[01:09:52.610 --> 01:09:57.310]  And I'm so sorry I didn't bring a Wall Street Journal to stick up your ass.
[01:09:58.790 --> 01:09:59.390]  Um...
[01:10:03.710 --> 01:10:04.310]  Um...
[01:10:04.310 --> 01:10:04.830]  Hold on.
[01:10:04.930 --> 01:10:05.450]  We'll get there.
[01:10:05.530 --> 01:10:05.690]  Go ahead.
[01:10:06.510 --> 01:10:07.010]  I'm waiting.
[01:10:07.690 --> 01:10:08.290]  Obama...
[01:10:09.470 --> 01:10:10.070]  300...
[01:10:11.150 --> 01:10:11.750]  Million...
[01:10:12.850 --> 01:10:13.450]  Income...
[01:10:13.450 --> 01:10:15.210]  One blogger doesn't count.
[01:10:15.550 --> 01:10:17.030]  Hit the feeling monkey button.
[01:10:19.370 --> 01:10:20.530]  Wait, what was that?
[01:10:20.630 --> 01:10:21.550]  Hit the...
[01:10:21.550 --> 01:10:23.110]  Hit the feeling monkey button.
[01:10:23.410 --> 01:10:24.210]  You think?
[01:10:25.050 --> 01:10:26.970]  It says, voy a tener suerte.
[01:10:26.990 --> 01:10:27.810]  You didn't have to Google it.
[01:10:27.870 --> 01:10:29.810]  That means you just really didn't...
[01:10:29.810 --> 01:10:30.810]  Even really...
[01:10:30.810 --> 01:10:32.710]  You just kind of thought this was true.
[01:10:32.850 --> 01:10:34.070]  You didn't know this was true.
[01:10:34.070 --> 01:10:34.410]  Excuse me.
[01:10:34.810 --> 01:10:39.090]  But when you've read all 1,600 of my book reviews, get back to me.
[01:10:40.710 --> 01:10:41.210]  Uh...
[01:10:41.210 --> 01:10:42.090]  I have here.
[01:10:44.230 --> 01:10:45.990]  Contributions unaccounted for.
[01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:56.300]  That's more like Kenny raise it.
[01:11:03.980 --> 01:11:04.940]  Um...
[01:11:04.940 --> 01:11:06.820]  .
[01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:39.120]  You know, it's really up to you, because I can spend the rest of the night doing this kind of stuff, or I can move fast.
[01:11:43.400 --> 01:11:49.900]  So, if someone wants to search for it and then bring it up here, that would be a public service of at least one.
[01:11:52.200 --> 01:11:55.000]  So, you know, it's out there.
[01:11:56.180 --> 01:12:01.520]  I mean, are you aware that he promised he would use public campaign financing and then broke that promise?
[01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:02.180]  That's just what you said.
[01:12:02.380 --> 01:12:03.180]  No, I'm asking you.
[01:12:03.240 --> 01:12:04.080]  Are you aware of that?
[01:12:04.200 --> 01:12:05.660]  I'm aware of that, but that's not...
[01:12:05.660 --> 01:12:08.680]  Okay, so that fact, have you got something to prove it?
[01:12:12.370 --> 01:12:14.390]  All right, let's move on.
[01:12:15.030 --> 01:12:15.470]  Yes, sir.
[01:12:17.090 --> 01:12:17.790]  Go on.
[01:12:17.890 --> 01:12:19.810]  And yes, healthcare, we should talk about healthcare.
[01:12:19.810 --> 01:12:21.510]  I'm adding that right after dwarves.
[01:12:22.890 --> 01:12:32.930]  I wanted to ask you a question regarding Afghanistan, and that is perhaps drawing on your experience as both an intelligence officer and as a former infantryman.
[01:12:32.930 --> 01:12:39.450]  And that is, doesn't the Western presence in Afghanistan hand Al-Qaeda exactly what they want?
[01:12:39.610 --> 01:12:41.710]  Well, first off, Al-Qaeda is not there anymore.
[01:12:42.410 --> 01:12:45.830]  It's just the Taliban whom we created in 1990.
[01:12:46.350 --> 01:12:50.850]  And, oh, by the way, every dollar they get comes courtesy of us.
[01:12:51.790 --> 01:12:55.810]  We took opium from zero to 80% of the world's supply.
[01:12:56.070 --> 01:13:00.270]  We enriched Musharraf in Pakistan because that's where the number four opium...
[01:13:00.270 --> 01:13:02.330]  I mean, where the opium becomes number four heroin.
[01:13:03.870 --> 01:13:08.090]  And the bottom line is we should not be in Afghanistan, nor should we be in Iraq.
[01:13:10.510 --> 01:13:12.570]  I will go a step further.
[01:13:13.610 --> 01:13:14.510]  The U.S. in Haiti is an excellent example of how screwed up the U.S. government and the U.S. military are.
[01:13:20.630 --> 01:13:28.910]  On day one in Haiti, I started blogging about peace jumpers, which is a concept I've been discussing with the colonel who created.
[01:13:29.070 --> 01:13:32.530]  And I'm going to... you guys will go through your whole line as soon as we're done here.
[01:13:34.290 --> 01:13:46.950]  Basically, Haiti was an immediate problem of water, basic food, followed by sanitation supplies, followed by tentage.
[01:13:46.950 --> 01:13:54.290]  And then it was a secondary problem of bringing in a ton of stuff through six airports and six ports.
[01:13:54.590 --> 01:13:55.190]  The U.S. military was only able to find one port and one airport.
[01:13:58.510 --> 01:14:01.090]  How they missed the other five, I do not know.
[01:14:01.990 --> 01:14:12.210]  But the reality is SOUTHCOM decided that they needed to send in 20,000 troops with rifles and a long logistics tail, rather than focus on delivering the basics.
[01:14:12.970 --> 01:14:13.190]  Okay?
[01:14:15.110 --> 01:14:17.350]  So, what we have in the U.S. government, and Bob Gates should know better...
[01:14:19.290 --> 01:14:21.390]  Oh, God bless you, sir.
[01:14:23.630 --> 01:14:24.550]  Come on up here.
[01:14:24.610 --> 01:14:25.350]  Come on up here.
[01:14:25.530 --> 01:14:27.310]  I want them to see your face.
[01:14:29.530 --> 01:14:29.970]  Here.
[01:14:30.150 --> 01:14:32.150]  I want you to take that and...
[01:14:32.150 --> 01:14:33.590]  Uh, this might be goofy.
[01:14:34.310 --> 01:14:35.090]  Might be goofy.
[01:14:35.190 --> 01:14:36.350]  All right, what I'm reading is...
[01:14:36.350 --> 01:14:36.770]  Well, no, wait.
[01:14:36.890 --> 01:14:37.790]  There's another way to do it.
[01:14:37.910 --> 01:14:38.510]  I will...
[01:14:38.510 --> 01:14:41.210]  No, no, leave that there, and I'll look for it on my own.
[01:14:41.330 --> 01:14:42.210]  Because you've given me...
[01:14:42.670 --> 01:14:43.890]  Just, uh, obamashrug.com.
[01:14:43.930 --> 01:14:45.150]  Can somebody get a picture here?
[01:14:47.110 --> 01:14:47.430]  Okay.
[01:14:47.830 --> 01:14:48.570]  Hold on, hold on.
[01:14:48.630 --> 01:14:49.810]  I need the title.
[01:14:51.830 --> 01:14:52.150]  Bookmarks.
[01:14:52.410 --> 01:14:54.590]  See, this is an example of collective intelligence.
[01:14:54.590 --> 01:14:58.250]  Um, the group is greater than the individual.
[01:14:59.610 --> 01:15:01.090]  Just obamashrug.com.
[01:15:01.290 --> 01:15:01.990]  Obama what?
[01:15:02.790 --> 01:15:03.670]  Obamashrug.com.
[01:15:03.710 --> 01:15:04.590]  Well, let me do the title.
[01:15:04.790 --> 01:15:05.630]  That's, that's more fun.
[01:15:05.810 --> 01:15:07.430]  Because it's easier for others to replicate.
[01:15:07.750 --> 01:15:15.370]  To most likely avoid, uh, avoid FEC audit.
[01:15:16.070 --> 01:15:17.710]  And here we go.
[01:15:18.910 --> 01:15:20.530]  Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.
[01:15:20.670 --> 01:15:20.950]  Nope.
[01:15:21.310 --> 01:15:22.570]  Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
[01:15:22.890 --> 01:15:23.750]  It is...
[01:15:23.750 --> 01:15:24.190]  The second one?
[01:15:24.330 --> 01:15:25.690]  Oh, Obama shrugged?
[01:15:26.190 --> 01:15:26.550]  It is...
[01:15:27.550 --> 01:15:28.830]  You guys are wonderful.
[01:15:30.710 --> 01:15:31.230]  Um...
[01:15:31.230 --> 01:15:31.610]  Okay.
[01:15:32.050 --> 01:15:33.830]  Thank you very, very much.
[01:15:34.030 --> 01:15:34.870]  You are wonderful.
[01:15:36.710 --> 01:15:37.230]  Um...
[01:15:37.230 --> 01:15:37.630]  Okay.
[01:15:38.110 --> 01:15:39.790]  Um, I think this will do.
[01:15:40.570 --> 01:15:43.070]  Uh, so, there it is.
[01:15:43.170 --> 01:15:43.910]  Thank you, sir.
[01:15:44.150 --> 01:15:44.530]  Yes.
[01:15:44.850 --> 01:15:46.290]  Bravo, bravo, bravo.
[01:15:49.130 --> 01:16:02.470]  You know, when I, when I wrote the article in Whole Earth Review, uh, called E3I Ethics, Ecology, Evolution, and Intelligence, an Alternative Paradigm for National Security, it was circulated on the seventh floor at CIA.
[01:16:03.330 --> 01:16:12.890]  And, uh, Ross Stapleton Gray, who's now very comfortable in California, uh, told me that Sandra Kruseman said, this confirms Steele's place on the lunatic fringe.
[01:16:13.450 --> 01:16:16.530]  Um, I am used to being called a lunatic.
[01:16:16.690 --> 01:16:17.930]  I am used to being questioned.
[01:16:18.210 --> 01:16:28.650]  Um, and I just hope that this crowd is having fun because I really care about trying to get this kind of stuff out on the table.
[01:16:28.650 --> 01:16:33.790]  Um, and I believe Obama has missed a precious opportunity.
[01:16:34.230 --> 01:16:46.010]  Because had he actually gotten a good staff and had he actually chosen to play a non-partisan game, he not only could have been re-elected, he could have repealed term limits for himself.
[01:16:46.370 --> 01:16:50.330]  Uh, he had an opportunity to, to, uh, bring the country together.
[01:16:50.330 --> 01:16:51.190]  And so did Bush.
[01:16:51.850 --> 01:16:53.590]  I mean, Bush is a well-meaning dolt.
[01:16:53.890 --> 01:16:58.210]  And, um, he really did think of himself as a uniter.
[01:16:58.470 --> 01:17:01.310]  But Karl Rove and Dick Cheney just wiped him out.
[01:17:01.830 --> 01:17:03.850]  Um, so there was nothing he could do.
[01:17:04.010 --> 01:17:04.230]  All right.
[01:17:04.390 --> 01:17:08.450]  So, very quickly going, hang on, very, no, you're done.
[01:17:08.790 --> 01:17:10.950]  Very quickly, going back to water.
[01:17:11.550 --> 01:17:14.090]  Um, you have to do the whole thing.
[01:17:28.140 --> 01:17:29.540]  Did you say again?
[01:17:32.060 --> 01:17:32.460]  Okay.
[01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:36.620]  Um, let me, uh, let me get back to that briefing.
[01:17:36.940 --> 01:17:40.680]  Because there is, um, what did I want to show you guys?
[01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:44.160]  Um, shoot.
[01:17:44.340 --> 01:17:44.600]  All right.
[01:17:44.700 --> 01:17:45.960]  I'll, I'll leave it alone for now.
[01:17:46.200 --> 01:17:49.120]  Uh, I want to very quickly run through your points back there.
[01:17:49.300 --> 01:17:50.140]  And then come up here.
[01:17:50.360 --> 01:17:52.480]  And then we'll do a little dwarf thing and some healthcare.
[01:17:53.020 --> 01:17:53.640]  And, uh...
[01:17:54.500 --> 01:17:55.220]  Oh, water.
[01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:57.020]  Um, oh, yeah.
[01:17:57.160 --> 01:17:57.600]  You know what?
[01:17:57.620 --> 01:17:58.860]  I really do want that briefing.
[01:17:58.860 --> 01:17:59.820]  Hang on a second.
[01:18:00.240 --> 01:18:04.680]  Um, DOD, DOD OSINT brief.
[01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:06.920]  Because it's, it's such a fundamental thing.
[01:18:07.400 --> 01:18:10.440]  Um, you have to analyze everything.
[01:18:10.620 --> 01:18:12.900]  I mean, Robert Akoff is one of my favorite people.
[01:18:13.040 --> 01:18:17.420]  And he likes to say that, uh, you gotta stop doing the wrong thing writer.
[01:18:18.580 --> 01:18:20.160]  Which is what we're trying to do.
[01:18:20.160 --> 01:18:22.180]  And you gotta do the right things, okay?
[01:18:22.900 --> 01:18:25.920]  And, uh, let's just see what we got here.
[01:18:26.460 --> 01:18:30.100]  Um, I want you to, I want you to see this one chart.
[01:18:31.400 --> 01:18:32.700]  Um, OSINT human.
[01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:34.600]  Yeah, let's go down here.
[01:18:35.440 --> 01:18:39.100]  Um, popular posts are both, uh, all time and seven days.
[01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:43.500]  Um, and here we are.
[01:18:43.500 --> 01:18:46.520]  So these are, these are the ones I really recommend to you.
[01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:48.380]  Like my human intelligence monograph.
[01:18:49.020 --> 01:18:53.800]  Um, the, um, book Intelligence for Earth, free online.
[01:18:54.120 --> 01:18:57.960]  Uh, here's the one on WTC collapse data that the U.S. government won't release.
[01:18:58.120 --> 01:18:58.840]  Okay, here we go.
[01:18:59.260 --> 01:19:01.520]  DOD OSINT leadership and staff briefings.
[01:19:01.520 --> 01:19:07.520]  Uh, these are the ones I prepared in my, in my competition for the position of czar for open source intelligence.
[01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:11.800]  I was not even interviewed, even though I'm the Pope for open source intelligence.
[01:19:12.260 --> 01:19:16.940]  And General Clapper and General Burgess basically gave up their integrity on that one.
[01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:20.140]  Um, and I feel sorry for them.
[01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:26.340]  Uh, now let me just show you this, um, this holistic slide, which I hope is in this briefing.
[01:19:26.340 --> 01:19:32.240]  Uh, because what you have to do is you have to see the 10 threats and you have to see the 12 policies.
[01:19:32.240 --> 01:19:38.580]  And then you have to consider water or corruption or energy in relation to all of them.
[01:19:38.900 --> 01:19:43.660]  Because what's good for one part of the system may be very bad for another part of the system.
[01:19:43.820 --> 01:19:45.540]  Such as using water to flush oil.
[01:19:46.080 --> 01:19:50.120]  Or, uh, you know, there's this wonderful book, Diet for a Small Planet.
[01:19:50.300 --> 01:19:56.080]  And its basic point is that a pound of beef requires 5,000 pounds of water to put on your plate.
[01:19:56.080 --> 01:19:57.740]  Whereas a tomato requires 20.
[01:19:58.160 --> 01:20:01.080]  And oh, by the way, the tomato doesn't shit in your spinach.
[01:20:01.800 --> 01:20:02.280]  Okay.
[01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:05.720]  Uh, so it's, it's really quite, quite fascinating.
[01:20:06.480 --> 01:20:06.780]  Um...
[01:20:06.780 --> 01:20:07.380]  Are you vegetarians?
[01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:08.960]  No, I am not.
[01:20:10.260 --> 01:20:10.740]  Um...
[01:20:10.740 --> 01:20:11.060]  Bees.
[01:20:11.140 --> 01:20:15.360]  But I have given up booze, uh, and gambling and I never smoked.
[01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:18.240]  Uh, and I'm moving toward being a vegetarian.
[01:20:18.240 --> 01:20:20.060]  I'm just waiting for it to taste better.
[01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:22.040]  Uh...
[01:20:22.040 --> 01:20:24.280]  I, I can help with that if you like.
[01:20:24.380 --> 01:20:24.900]  Oh, you can.
[01:20:25.620 --> 01:20:26.100]  What?
[01:20:27.160 --> 01:20:29.020]  No, no, you gotta stop the soy.
[01:20:29.180 --> 01:20:30.640]  Soy is, is pseudoestrogen.
[01:20:30.780 --> 01:20:31.500]  It f*cks with our...
[01:20:31.500 --> 01:20:32.260]  Yeah, it's poison.
[01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:42.600]  All right, what's that F5 stuff?
[01:20:54.160 --> 01:20:55.780]  All right, look at this.
[01:20:57.120 --> 01:20:59.340]  Look at this and this will close kind of water.
[01:21:00.540 --> 01:21:00.980]  Um...
[01:21:00.980 --> 01:21:04.260]  Energy, time, time is the one thing you cannot buy nor replace.
[01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:07.140]  Uh, that comes out of Colin Gray's modern strategy.
[01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:12.320]  Uh, changes to the planet that used to take 10,000 years now take three years.
[01:21:12.320 --> 01:21:14.500]  So we have to get to real-time science.
[01:21:14.660 --> 01:21:19.580]  The problem is, um, and I have a slide I can show you that Dick Clavin and Brad Ashton created.
[01:21:20.380 --> 01:21:21.500]  We fragmented knowledge.
[01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:24.800]  I mean, the, the old adage, we know everything there is to know about nothing.
[01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:28.640]  Uh, the humanities are all over the lot.
[01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:30.020]  Science is all over the lot.
[01:21:30.020 --> 01:21:31.860]  The social scientists are...
[01:21:33.420 --> 01:21:35.460]  Trying to think of an appropriate phrase.
[01:21:38.640 --> 01:21:39.200]  Um...
[01:21:39.200 --> 01:21:39.500]  Um...
[01:21:39.500 --> 01:21:40.520]  Hmm...
[01:21:41.580 --> 01:21:42.140]  Um...
[01:21:42.140 --> 01:21:42.420]  Um...
[01:21:42.420 --> 01:21:43.220]  Incredibly stupid.
[01:21:44.420 --> 01:21:44.980]  Um...
[01:21:44.980 --> 01:21:46.400]  Yes, I'm sorry, it's very weak.
[01:21:46.580 --> 01:21:48.640]  But, I mean, social science is just nothing.
[01:21:49.080 --> 01:21:50.760]  It's, it's, it's abysmal.
[01:21:51.020 --> 01:21:55.500]  Uh, and so you have to look at all of these things in connection with one another.
[01:21:55.500 --> 01:21:59.080]  Uh, because, uh, everything matters.
[01:21:59.460 --> 01:22:05.420]  For example, the poor are the biggest threat to environmental degradation.
[01:22:06.160 --> 01:22:06.740]  Okay?
[01:22:07.280 --> 01:22:08.520]  Not corporations.
[01:22:09.180 --> 01:22:16.260]  The water that we as individuals waste while shaving is much greater than what corporations waste.
[01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:19.740]  In fact, corporations are starting to get in touch with true cost.
[01:22:20.400 --> 01:22:23.000]  Um, what was the other thing that you guys didn't know about?
[01:22:23.380 --> 01:22:23.710]  Biomimicry?
[01:22:23.710 --> 01:22:24.250]  No.
[01:22:24.630 --> 01:22:25.310]  Open space.
[01:22:25.630 --> 01:22:26.870]  Oh, open space technology.
[01:22:27.530 --> 01:22:31.150]  Forgive me, I'm gonna take just one second to talk about open space technology.
[01:22:33.350 --> 01:22:33.790]  Um...
[01:22:33.790 --> 01:22:35.610]  Harrison Owen is a brilliant man.
[01:22:35.750 --> 01:22:37.690]  And he invented open space technology.
[01:22:37.910 --> 01:22:40.130]  And I'd love to see hackers do this one of these days.
[01:22:40.530 --> 01:22:43.730]  Which is basically everybody shows up in one big room.
[01:22:44.430 --> 01:22:46.750]  Everybody who has a compelling issue or topic.
[01:22:46.970 --> 01:22:49.770]  And maybe we could do this with my session in two years.
[01:22:50.850 --> 01:22:51.290]  Uh...
[01:22:51.290 --> 01:22:51.690]  What's that?
[01:22:53.670 --> 01:22:56.190]  I don't know, but basically everyone shows up.
[01:22:56.450 --> 01:22:59.030]  Everyone has a pressing issue, writes it on a piece of paper.
[01:22:59.250 --> 01:23:01.170]  You take an hour to read the issues.
[01:23:01.410 --> 01:23:02.950]  And then those are posted.
[01:23:03.190 --> 01:23:04.230]  And then you sign up.
[01:23:04.370 --> 01:23:07.570]  And based on the sign up, uh, you do groups.
[01:23:07.770 --> 01:23:10.870]  And the person who posted it then brings a report out.
[01:23:10.870 --> 01:23:12.570]  And ideally you also have a wiki.
[01:23:12.790 --> 01:23:16.330]  So you'll have a distributed worldwide network that's also participating.
[01:23:16.690 --> 01:23:19.210]  And so it's a self-organizing collective mind.
[01:23:19.470 --> 01:23:20.570]  And it works.
[01:23:21.070 --> 01:23:21.490]  Peggy...
[01:23:22.190 --> 01:23:26.090]  Peggy Holman has a new book out on emerging evolutionary consciousness.
[01:23:26.090 --> 01:23:30.530]  Tom Attlee has reflections on evolutionary consciousness.
[01:23:30.990 --> 01:23:32.370]  So it really works.
[01:23:32.750 --> 01:23:36.210]  So I encourage you to think about open space technology.
[01:23:36.610 --> 01:23:39.410]  I don't know why he put the word technology in there.
[01:23:39.670 --> 01:23:43.270]  But it's basically open space community mind building.
[01:23:43.670 --> 01:23:45.180]  And it's extraordinarily impressive.
[01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:49.220]  And it's vastly better than program structures.
[01:23:49.400 --> 01:23:49.480]  All right.
[01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:51.140]  Let's run real quick through your issues.
[01:23:51.160 --> 01:23:51.940]  And then up here.
[01:23:52.140 --> 01:23:53.300]  And then I'll go on again.
[01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:54.800]  Ah, now we're talking.
[01:23:55.200 --> 01:23:56.360]  Now we're talking.
[01:23:56.600 --> 01:23:57.040]  Thank you.
[01:23:57.260 --> 01:23:57.580]  Okay.
[01:23:57.720 --> 01:23:58.800]  Just very quickly, you guys.
[01:23:59.060 --> 01:23:59.900]  And then we'll come up here.
[01:24:00.540 --> 01:24:00.720]  Sure.
[01:24:01.400 --> 01:24:02.720]  Thoughts on Jesse Ventura.
[01:24:03.120 --> 01:24:04.000]  I love him.
[01:24:04.780 --> 01:24:05.620]  I love him.
[01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:08.660]  Jesse Ventura and Sarah Palin are my dream team.
[01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:11.880]  Now, come on.
[01:24:11.980 --> 01:24:13.760]  I take Sarah Palin seriously.
[01:24:14.620 --> 01:24:16.020]  The Bush campaign.
[01:24:16.380 --> 01:24:17.280]  And I'm sorry.
[01:24:17.400 --> 01:24:18.480]  It's the McCain campaign.
[01:24:18.680 --> 01:24:19.340]  But the Bushies.
[01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:22.880]  You know, I tried to get through to McCain on a couple of things and failed miserably.
[01:24:23.500 --> 01:24:29.380]  Sarah Palin should never, never, ever have been represented as someone who reads.
[01:24:29.960 --> 01:24:30.440]  Okay.
[01:24:32.820 --> 01:24:34.720]  This was a tactical mistake.
[01:24:35.040 --> 01:24:36.680]  And I think it was deliberate.
[01:24:37.000 --> 01:24:40.240]  It was the Bush campaign's way of kind of demeaning her.
[01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:42.840]  Sarah Palin is her own woman.
[01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:48.660]  She's legitimately won the governorship in Alaska against a couple of male assholes.
[01:24:50.340 --> 01:24:52.920]  And she should have been America's mom.
[01:24:53.760 --> 01:25:03.220]  And after doing her wonderful speech, she said, look, folks, I don't know shit about Shinola, but I absolutely guarantee you I'm going to be the last person to nag John McCain before he goes to bed.
[01:25:04.340 --> 01:25:06.400]  And he will hear from you through me.
[01:25:07.100 --> 01:25:08.400]  And that, for me, works.
[01:25:09.400 --> 01:25:16.440]  I absolutely trust Sarah Palin to make a pain in the ass of herself all day in front of the president.
[01:25:16.440 --> 01:25:19.060]  And the president needs someone like that.
[01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:24.900]  When Lee Iacocca was thinking about running for president, someone came in and said, well, these are your positions.
[01:25:24.920 --> 01:25:26.940]  And he kicked him in the head and threw him out the door.
[01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:29.380]  That's the kind of president we need.
[01:25:29.860 --> 01:25:30.260]  Okay.
[01:25:30.540 --> 01:25:33.280]  And so vice presidents should be heard from.
[01:25:33.440 --> 01:25:38.440]  And unfortunately, vice presidents today are one down from the guy that cleans the toilet in the White House.
[01:25:39.380 --> 01:25:40.580]  So it's not good.
[01:25:41.140 --> 01:25:42.020]  Go on again.
[01:25:42.020 --> 01:25:43.180]  Let's clean up that row.
[01:25:43.700 --> 01:25:46.220]  I got in a little late, so I'm not sure if you covered this.
[01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:47.020]  I did.
[01:25:47.060 --> 01:25:51.500]  You may have discussed corporate ineptitude and its governance over a blinded society.
[01:25:51.780 --> 01:25:52.080]  I'm not sure.
[01:25:52.420 --> 01:25:55.320]  But did you mention the Ixtoc disaster?
[01:25:56.080 --> 01:25:56.520]  No.
[01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:57.260]  What is it?
[01:25:57.440 --> 01:25:58.300]  The Ixtoc.
[01:25:58.360 --> 01:26:00.200]  The Ixtoc oil disaster of 1979.
[01:26:00.820 --> 01:26:01.260]  No.
[01:26:01.480 --> 01:26:03.660]  It happened a little thing called the Gulf of America.
[01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:04.020]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:26:04.020 --> 01:26:04.760]  We missed that one.
[01:26:05.040 --> 01:26:05.240]  Yeah.
[01:26:06.200 --> 01:26:07.840]  Have people Wikipedia that.
[01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:12.260]  It was basically verbatim exactly what happened with BP.
[01:26:13.080 --> 01:26:20.120]  Happened in June of 1978 in the Gulf of America off of the Mexican side.
[01:26:20.580 --> 01:26:22.420]  Same company owned the well.
[01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:23.820]  Same problems.
[01:26:24.540 --> 01:26:29.380]  And it took them 10 months to stop the oil from spilling into the Gulf.
[01:26:29.640 --> 01:26:37.180]  And they used things like junk shots and attempted capping and attempted relief well drilling.
[01:26:37.180 --> 01:26:41.740]  And I'm not sure if science is really caught up in 30 years.
[01:26:41.740 --> 01:26:42.460]  No, no, no.
[01:26:42.460 --> 01:26:43.120]  Forgive me.
[01:26:43.320 --> 01:26:45.360]  It's not about science.
[01:26:45.380 --> 01:26:49.300]  And my briefing is now online at Phi Beta Iota.
[01:26:51.020 --> 01:26:53.240]  And I'm just going to show you one slide.
[01:26:53.240 --> 01:26:56.180]  Because what we have is what's called information asymmetries.
[01:26:57.020 --> 01:26:58.380]  And these are deliberate.
[01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:05.100]  And what's interesting is that the cell phones are starting to eliminate those information asymmetries.
[01:27:07.200 --> 01:27:10.140]  But real quick though, if anybody wanted to check it out, it's Ixtoc.
[01:27:10.380 --> 01:27:10.680]  Okay.
[01:27:11.020 --> 01:27:11.720]  Thank you.
[01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:12.500]  Behind you.
[01:27:12.700 --> 01:27:13.480]  How do you spell that?
[01:27:13.480 --> 01:27:14.920]  Stop, stop, stop.
[01:27:15.140 --> 01:27:15.280]  Next.
[01:27:15.280 --> 01:27:16.380]  I-X-T-O-C.
[01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:16.720]  Stop.
[01:27:17.120 --> 01:27:17.560]  Next.
[01:27:19.320 --> 01:27:19.760]  Next.
[01:27:23.660 --> 01:27:31.880]  The question is, is Al Qaeda, at the best case, the CIA's pit bull gone bad?
[01:27:32.120 --> 01:27:34.420]  The short answer is no.
[01:27:34.580 --> 01:27:35.880]  The Saudis funded Al Qaeda.
[01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:36.780]  CIA did not.
[01:27:37.480 --> 01:27:38.040]  We...
[01:27:38.040 --> 01:27:40.860]  Didn't we create the name, fund them and train them?
[01:27:40.860 --> 01:27:43.340]  Well, the base is a translation.
[01:27:43.340 --> 01:27:44.320]  And I'm not...
[01:27:44.320 --> 01:27:47.300]  I'm not a supreme expert on this.
[01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:51.860]  But my understanding, having read most of the books and talked...
[01:27:51.860 --> 01:27:52.400]  I've actually...
[01:27:52.400 --> 01:27:54.680]  I'm friends with Milt Bearden and Jack Devine.
[01:27:54.980 --> 01:27:59.340]  And Milt was the chief of station for Afghanistan and Pakistan.
[01:27:59.760 --> 01:28:01.200]  And Jack was the...
[01:28:01.820 --> 01:28:09.100]  Jack was the guy who managed the Afghan task force, which sent stuff in.
[01:28:09.240 --> 01:28:09.900]  Oh, here we go.
[01:28:09.900 --> 01:28:10.800]  Okay.
[01:28:11.020 --> 01:28:12.860]  Now, this is a problem that we have.
[01:28:13.700 --> 01:28:14.160]  Yeah.
[01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:15.020]  Shift...
[01:28:15.020 --> 01:28:17.200]  Actually, mine does it on F5, but okay.
[01:28:17.360 --> 01:28:18.740]  But it doesn't go right to the page.
[01:28:22.380 --> 01:28:24.080]  What we've allowed to happen...
[01:28:24.080 --> 01:28:27.640]  This is the t-shirt thing that I did not have in the brief the other day.
[01:28:29.480 --> 01:28:32.380]  What we have allowed to happen is all of these things.
[01:28:32.740 --> 01:28:34.080]  And these are all books.
[01:28:34.320 --> 01:28:35.620]  They're absolutely wonderful.
[01:28:35.860 --> 01:28:39.460]  Forbidden Knowledge, Lost History, Manufacturing Consent, Missing Information.
[01:28:40.080 --> 01:28:40.560]  Okay.
[01:28:40.760 --> 01:28:42.040]  This is where you guys come in.
[01:28:42.280 --> 01:28:43.460]  We hack the truth.
[01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:44.980]  We get the truth on the table.
[01:28:45.340 --> 01:28:47.340]  We use cell phones to inform.
[01:28:47.720 --> 01:28:51.840]  We no longer allow CNN to be piped into elevators.
[01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:52.640]  Okay.
[01:28:55.200 --> 01:28:56.060]  Cell phone what?
[01:28:56.060 --> 01:28:57.140]  Inform on us.
[01:28:57.140 --> 01:28:58.220]  Inform on us now.
[01:28:58.860 --> 01:28:59.080]  Also.
[01:28:59.300 --> 01:29:00.400]  Well, this is true.
[01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:03.240]  But yes, that's absolutely true.
[01:29:03.420 --> 01:29:06.500]  But in Central America, they've solved that problem.
[01:29:06.660 --> 01:29:08.100]  Everybody has 10 SIM cards.
[01:29:10.740 --> 01:29:13.540]  And they trade them like baseball cards.
[01:29:14.740 --> 01:29:16.460]  So there are ways around that.
[01:29:16.600 --> 01:29:19.440]  And I really do think that we have to protect privacy.
[01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:21.700]  Privacy is absolutely vital.
[01:29:22.940 --> 01:29:26.260]  And I think that's the kind of stuff you guys should be thinking about.
[01:29:26.420 --> 01:29:28.160]  From where I sit, hackers have grown up.
[01:29:30.100 --> 01:29:40.560]  And they ignored me in 1994 when I told them to create a public site that put every vulnerability on display 30 days after the company was given notice.
[01:29:41.820 --> 01:29:45.240]  But I really think these are the tough issues that we have to deal with.
[01:29:45.440 --> 01:29:46.860]  Cell phones are killing bees.
[01:29:47.040 --> 01:29:49.220]  Bees are essential to the agricultural cycle.
[01:29:49.220 --> 01:29:51.780]  We should be raising holy hell about that.
[01:29:52.740 --> 01:29:55.160]  But again, this whole idea of controlled opposition.
[01:29:55.420 --> 01:29:56.600]  You know, CNN does this story.
[01:29:56.700 --> 01:29:57.940]  Everyone says, okay, that's covered.
[01:29:57.940 --> 01:29:59.000]  And we move on.
[01:29:59.920 --> 01:30:02.000]  So this is the stuff we've got to deal with.
[01:30:02.400 --> 01:30:04.100]  More back there, and then we'll come up here.
[01:30:04.880 --> 01:30:07.260]  Have you had a chance to read Creature from Jekyll Island?
[01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:08.860]  No, I have not.
[01:30:11.060 --> 01:30:11.860]  Excellent read.
[01:30:12.060 --> 01:30:12.360]  Okay.
[01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:16.920]  And one of the things I've started doing is putting guest reviews on Phi Beta I.
[01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:18.260]  I'll take a look at that book.
[01:30:18.360 --> 01:30:18.720]  Yes, sir.
[01:30:19.220 --> 01:30:19.500]  Go on more.
[01:30:19.620 --> 01:30:21.820]  You talked about, yesterday, open source intelligence.
[01:30:22.180 --> 01:30:26.040]  And we had an amazing talk this afternoon from WikiLeaks.
[01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:28.440]  I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on WikiLeaks.
[01:30:29.060 --> 01:30:35.860]  Well, on the one hand, they've been very irresponsible in penetrating for penetrating's sake.
[01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:44.880]  And they've done a few things that my friend Steven Aftergood of Secrecy News at the Federation of American Scientists doesn't like.
[01:30:44.960 --> 01:30:45.860]  And I respect that.
[01:30:45.860 --> 01:30:49.760]  If Steve is not happy with WikiLeaks, they should pay attention.
[01:30:50.100 --> 01:30:54.900]  However, WikiLeaks is an inherently democratic thing.
[01:30:54.900 --> 01:31:02.040]  And I personally support the individual who leaked the helicopter video and the 150,000 cables.
[01:31:04.440 --> 01:31:15.380]  And the reason I support that individual, whatever his motives, is our government does not have carte blanche to lie, cheat, and steal in our name.
[01:31:15.380 --> 01:31:18.120]  And so we need to get to the bottom of that.
[01:31:18.320 --> 01:31:29.040]  And the historians for the State Department are very upset that CIA is ignoring the law with respect to declassifying information without which you cannot write the foreign policy history of the United States.
[01:31:29.040 --> 01:31:42.160]  If you really look at it closely, CIA is at the root of many of our problems around the world, including overthrowing a democratic election in Iran and installing a dictator in Guatemala.
[01:31:44.220 --> 01:31:54.020]  CIA is, I'm very ashamed to say, Tom Hayden really screwed this up big time, and I sent him a direct fax at the time, so I know he knew what he was doing.
[01:31:55.420 --> 01:32:00.560]  The United States of America is best pals with 42 of the 44 dictators on the planet.
[01:32:01.040 --> 01:32:05.500]  I recommend Ambassador Mark Palmer's book, or my review of it.
[01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:07.460]  Every book I mention, I've reviewed.
[01:32:09.160 --> 01:32:12.340]  He's written a wonderful book called Breaking the Real Axis of Eagle.
[01:32:12.380 --> 01:32:14.800]  I can put every dictator out of business in five years.
[01:32:15.320 --> 01:32:21.140]  We offer them a very graceful exit plan that gives all of them 10 to 20, 30 million dollars.
[01:32:21.140 --> 01:32:22.400]  They'll never have to worry.
[01:32:22.540 --> 01:32:26.540]  We can give that to them in a generational trust, three, six generations out.
[01:32:26.860 --> 01:32:28.800]  And the ones that don't agree, we kill them.
[01:32:30.900 --> 01:32:32.680]  But one bullet, one man.
[01:32:32.840 --> 01:32:36.000]  We should not have to carpet bomb a village looking for somebody.
[01:32:38.580 --> 01:32:40.060]  Yeah, well, no, no, no, no.
[01:32:40.180 --> 01:32:40.720]  I really...
[01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:42.840]  Some dictators are really good guys, you know.
[01:32:43.500 --> 01:32:44.880]  The point is, no.
[01:32:45.380 --> 01:32:46.340]  I'll tell you what I've learned.
[01:32:46.460 --> 01:32:48.900]  What I've learned is you never want to put someone's back to the wall.
[01:32:49.320 --> 01:32:49.760]  Okay?
[01:32:50.260 --> 01:32:59.040]  And so the bottom line is, it's vastly cheaper to have a non-violent exit strategy than it is to put everybody on alert because they think you're coming to get them.
[01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:00.240]  Yeah.
[01:33:00.480 --> 01:33:06.640]  And so the bottom line is, I am a merciless bastard, but I am also a calculating merciless bastard.
[01:33:08.300 --> 01:33:09.340]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:33:09.580 --> 01:33:11.240]  No, non-violence really does work.
[01:33:11.380 --> 01:33:13.340]  Okay, let's come up here real quick.
[01:33:13.660 --> 01:33:22.640]  A little bit of a thank you to exposing, not just exposing some of the truths and the reality, but also charging us to actually go ahead and seek them out ourselves.
[01:33:23.740 --> 01:33:26.140]  You really inspired that in me several years ago.
[01:33:26.340 --> 01:33:26.600]  Thank you.
[01:33:26.640 --> 01:33:36.140]  But a big part of that, which is a bit of a call to action to everyone here, is the clouds that are put in our lives.
[01:33:36.140 --> 01:33:37.480]  And it starts with our food.
[01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:40.500]  I thought you were going to talk about Google trying to be the cloud.
[01:33:40.780 --> 01:33:42.620]  I mean, it starts with our food.
[01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:44.600]  It starts with the things that we take into ourselves.
[01:33:44.720 --> 01:33:44.960]  Yes.
[01:33:45.040 --> 01:33:49.360]  And these are the things that create the deceptions that then come up with the real world.
[01:33:49.580 --> 01:33:53.060]  The real world is the matrix that has been presented to ourselves.
[01:33:53.160 --> 01:33:57.480]  So if we want to see the real world, we need to take out those clouds that we're seeing.
[01:33:58.400 --> 01:34:00.600]  I'm not going to hold hands with you, but I agree.
[01:34:01.540 --> 01:34:06.620]  No, actually, you know, food, we're poisoning ourselves, and we're poisoning our children.
[01:34:07.260 --> 01:34:11.100]  I just reviewed a wonderful book by a woman called...
[01:34:11.900 --> 01:34:17.920]  It was basically, her kids didn't get to watch TV, they didn't get immunization, and they were homeschooled.
[01:34:18.320 --> 01:34:20.720]  And they turned out to be really nice kids.
[01:34:23.020 --> 01:34:23.700]  What's that?
[01:34:24.120 --> 01:34:24.840]  Corner case.
[01:34:27.710 --> 01:34:29.510]  Well, no, that wasn't the name of the book.
[01:34:29.630 --> 01:34:31.510]  But just go review.
[01:34:31.510 --> 01:34:39.610]  Look for, on Phi Beta Iota, one of the things I really like about WordPress is the search engine works within the thing.
[01:34:39.770 --> 01:34:46.750]  So you can go into Phi Beta Iota and search for review, homeschooled, and get to what you're looking for.
[01:34:46.870 --> 01:34:52.170]  So let's stop there, because you've done your commercial, and it's one I share a view on.
[01:34:52.310 --> 01:34:52.690]  Yes, sir.
[01:34:53.490 --> 01:34:54.270]  Thank you, sir.
[01:34:54.370 --> 01:34:58.050]  I'm going to go back to Bradley Manning and the WikiLeaks leaker.
[01:34:58.230 --> 01:34:58.510]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:34:58.510 --> 01:35:05.990]  In regard to the diplomatic cable specifically, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it might have been indiscriminate to leak all that information without having reviewed it all.
[01:35:06.250 --> 01:35:09.250]  At what point should we be classifying the information?
[01:35:09.250 --> 01:35:11.650]  Because the system's obviously being abused right now.
[01:35:11.850 --> 01:35:12.210]  Yes.
[01:35:12.210 --> 01:35:16.030]  What are the guidelines for actually classifying information in a perfect intelligence world?
[01:35:16.030 --> 01:35:25.030]  Well, I mean, at CIA, they don't even bother to classify anything, because it's assumed that everything, including your pizza order, is classified.
[01:35:25.030 --> 01:35:30.450]  It might reveal how many fat people you have, which is a lot.
[01:35:31.950 --> 01:35:39.750]  The bottom line here is that Rodney McDaniel at Harvard in the 60s, it might have been, it might have been the 90s, I forget.
[01:35:40.090 --> 01:35:53.370]  He came out and said publicly, and he was the executive secretary of the National Security Council, so he came out publicly and said that 90% of secrecy is turf protection, and it's basically covering up fraud, waste, and abuse.
[01:35:53.590 --> 01:36:05.030]  And, oh, by the way, in this $75 billion a year that we're spending on secret intelligence, over $10 billion of that, probably as much as $15 billion of that, is so-called classification and so forth.
[01:36:05.030 --> 01:36:14.070]  Now, where I would go with this, and I think the judge that just convicted the two people that were supporting Cuba, was very ignorant.
[01:36:15.430 --> 01:36:26.390]  Because when you get to blanket police state convictions for leaking information that is actually in the public interest, you've lost touch with your society.
[01:36:26.950 --> 01:36:28.770]  You've lost touch with your public.
[01:36:28.770 --> 01:36:35.550]  And this young man may have been indiscriminate, but I would give him the benefit of the doubt.
[01:36:35.810 --> 01:36:40.690]  I would publicize all of those cables, and then I would start firing some of the people who wrote them.
[01:36:41.450 --> 01:36:45.350]  Because the fact is, what they're doing in our name is criminal.
[01:36:46.250 --> 01:36:46.730]  Okay?
[01:36:46.970 --> 01:36:48.030]  And they don't think that.
[01:36:48.190 --> 01:36:52.270]  They think they're being really cool diplomats, you know, moving, manipulating, whatever.
[01:36:52.510 --> 01:36:55.310]  But the reality is, most diplomats are messenger boys.
[01:36:55.310 --> 01:37:09.310]  And the message is written by a political appointee, a 30-something, who basically wore out some shoe leather on the campaign and was made a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State as a reward.
[01:37:09.490 --> 01:37:11.170]  I mean, these people are beneath contempt.
[01:37:12.390 --> 01:37:15.890]  So we have a real problem in how we don't govern ourselves.
[01:37:16.130 --> 01:37:16.670]  Yes, sir.
[01:37:17.270 --> 01:37:17.770]  And then we'll come on.
[01:37:17.890 --> 01:37:18.930]  Appreciate talking to you.
[01:37:19.030 --> 01:37:20.810]  I have actually all of your books.
[01:37:21.030 --> 01:37:21.430]  Ho-hoo!
[01:37:21.430 --> 01:37:26.630]  Someone at the DNI's office had left them in his desk, and I commandeered them.
[01:37:26.850 --> 01:37:28.550]  Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!
[01:37:28.750 --> 01:37:30.570]  That was probably an Elliot Jardine's.
[01:37:30.570 --> 01:37:31.130]  He doesn't read.
[01:37:33.270 --> 01:37:34.950]  Um, anyway...
[01:37:34.950 --> 01:37:36.050]  I'll take that as a yes.
[01:37:36.370 --> 01:37:54.210]  Um, speaking as someone who was an intelligence analyst, and someone who also helped to write the DNI's classificating guidance, and has reviewed the CIA's classification guidance, and current contractor, worked for CID, coupled comments in general.
[01:37:55.190 --> 01:37:59.430]  Um, one, Bradley Manning, complete asshole.
[01:37:59.710 --> 01:38:10.890]  He should have reported any war crimes, anything he thought was a war crime, to CID to investigate, because he probably f*cked up the prosecution of any war crime that might have existed.
[01:38:11.650 --> 01:38:13.530]  That's a very good point.
[01:38:13.530 --> 01:38:18.730]  Uh, however, I have found in my experience that CID doesn't really exist.
[01:38:18.930 --> 01:38:19.750]  I mean, CID.
[01:38:20.430 --> 01:38:24.030]  And that most things you report to CID never get investigated.
[01:38:24.330 --> 01:38:30.410]  Like I said, I was with CID, and every case that ever came up was prosecuted.
[01:38:30.570 --> 01:38:30.890]  Mm-hmm.
[01:38:31.390 --> 01:38:31.910]  Successfully.
[01:38:32.230 --> 01:38:38.110]  I've never heard anyone go to CID with a claim that was never investigated and prosecuted.
[01:38:38.230 --> 01:38:41.630]  I'll take your word for it, but I'm pretty sure you never got a diplomat fired.
[01:38:42.150 --> 01:38:42.470]  True.
[01:38:42.870 --> 01:38:42.990]  Okay.
[01:38:42.990 --> 01:38:47.290]  But, then again, in the government, you cannot fire anybody for incompetence.
[01:38:48.030 --> 01:38:53.270]  They have to come in drunk, call someone a racial slur, and, you know, rape them...
[01:38:53.270 --> 01:38:54.030]  Actually, that's a feature.
[01:38:54.290 --> 01:38:54.730]  ...in order to get raped.
[01:38:55.690 --> 01:38:56.170]  Yeah.
[01:38:56.310 --> 01:38:56.790]  Yeah.
[01:38:57.070 --> 01:38:58.470]  I mean...
[01:38:58.470 --> 01:39:00.190]  Okay, let's stop there.
[01:39:00.350 --> 01:39:00.810]  Please.
[01:39:01.250 --> 01:39:01.730]  Please.
[01:39:01.950 --> 01:39:02.670]  Respect the crowd.
[01:39:02.790 --> 01:39:03.430]  Let's stop there.
[01:39:03.890 --> 01:39:04.250]  Okay?
[01:39:04.570 --> 01:39:04.970]  Let's...
[01:39:04.970 --> 01:39:05.090]  Please.
[01:39:05.310 --> 01:39:06.650]  Okay, well, off that.
[01:39:07.250 --> 01:39:10.430]  Regarding open source, that's a little comment to everybody.
[01:39:10.430 --> 01:39:15.830]  I think that a few people have taken it to heart as far as water consumption is concerned.
[01:39:16.490 --> 01:39:18.410]  Note to all public service announcement.
[01:39:18.890 --> 01:39:22.270]  Smelling like a dirty, nasty bastard does not make you a better hacker.
[01:39:22.270 --> 01:39:24.570]  Please take a goddamn shower.
[01:39:25.030 --> 01:39:25.450]  Do you...
[01:39:29.860 --> 01:39:32.320]  Do you have documentation on that last point?
[01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:40.660]  Yes, sir, in the back.
[01:39:40.840 --> 01:39:46.960]  I wanted to get your thoughts on the mandatory embedding of identification chips in humans, and if you still think we're heading towards that.
[01:39:47.360 --> 01:39:48.780]  You will be assimilated.
[01:39:52.380 --> 01:39:53.180]  I'm serious.
[01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:54.360]  No, look.
[01:39:55.660 --> 01:39:56.950]  I mean, I love the...
[01:39:57.780 --> 01:39:58.780]  I forget what it was.
[01:39:58.860 --> 01:40:03.180]  True lies or whatever, where this guy had to dig in and pull the chip out and whatever.
[01:40:03.360 --> 01:40:05.080]  I mean, my son just put...
[01:40:05.080 --> 01:40:06.580]  My youngest son just put his U.S. passport through the washing machine.
[01:40:09.780 --> 01:40:11.760]  And, of course, you should put your...
[01:40:11.760 --> 01:40:14.020]  Yeah, you should put all your passports in the microwave.
[01:40:15.810 --> 01:40:19.220]  But the problem we have is that the U.S. government is full of good people who are completely out of control.
[01:40:25.840 --> 01:40:29.900]  The U.S. government is basically trying to micromanage shit it does not understand.
[01:40:32.110 --> 01:40:33.980]  And it is just...
[01:40:34.580 --> 01:40:35.620]  It's lunacy.
[01:40:37.260 --> 01:40:48.240]  The Israelis, I mean, you know, as much as I get annoyed by the Israelis manipulating Congress and lying and stealing and all this other stuff, there are some things they do well.
[01:40:49.020 --> 01:41:04.920]  I established a requirement in 1988 for being able to detect explosives at 500 meters, regardless of the container they were in, because we're still stuck in container land, which is why in El Salvador in the 80s, they would put their mines in wooden boxes.
[01:41:07.240 --> 01:41:10.040]  And I talked to an Israeli officer, he said, oh, we saw that problem years ago.
[01:41:10.060 --> 01:41:10.720]  I said, what was it?
[01:41:10.780 --> 01:41:11.640]  He says, it's a dog.
[01:41:14.040 --> 01:41:15.400]  Well, he's right.
[01:41:15.660 --> 01:41:26.460]  And when the Israelis put people on an airline, they search their luggage, and they question them, and they make calls to the phone numbers that these individuals are required to give.
[01:41:26.460 --> 01:41:28.540]  They know who is getting on that airplane.
[01:41:28.540 --> 01:41:34.340]  We have something that tells us if your vagina has expanded lately, okay?
[01:41:36.120 --> 01:41:37.440]  It's just nuts.
[01:41:38.480 --> 01:41:42.120]  So let's go on there in the back, and then we'll come forward.
[01:41:42.540 --> 01:41:43.000]  Good morning, sir.
[01:41:43.020 --> 01:41:52.280]  I was curious if you could speak to global monetary policy, the stability of the financial situation in our country, and should I buy gold?
[01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:56.700]  Well, you missed the gold opportunity.
[01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:07.400]  Plus, I'll tell you what, there's some very strong rumors on the market that something's coming out that's going to drive the price of gold way down, because it's basically going to discover all the gold on the planet.
[01:42:08.620 --> 01:42:13.280]  No, you know, Afghanistan, on the one hand, the Chinese know what they're doing.
[01:42:13.500 --> 01:42:18.360]  They're building roads and railways to be able to mine the copper and the other stuff that they want.
[01:42:18.360 --> 01:42:25.480]  We're actually inventing minerals to justify being there 10 years later.
[01:42:26.900 --> 01:42:30.580]  The Al-Qaeda is actually right here down at the Wardoff, Australia.
[01:42:31.740 --> 01:42:33.640]  You know, I mean, it's just, it's nuts.
[01:42:34.320 --> 01:42:36.020]  Can you speak to what this market rumor might be?
[01:42:36.620 --> 01:42:46.520]  Yeah, I don't want to give it too much credence, but someone I really believe in who follows gold very closely, and also, that's the other thing.
[01:42:47.080 --> 01:42:57.100]  There's some real panic over the fact that the New York Fed evidently diluted a whole bunch of gold and put some titanium in the middle.
[01:42:57.260 --> 01:42:57.700]  Tungsten.
[01:42:58.020 --> 01:43:00.500]  Yeah, tungsten, thank you, tungsten.
[01:43:01.020 --> 01:43:14.300]  And there's also some real fear that the Chinese who place some puts or whatever on gold are going to demand the physical gold rather than sort of, yeah, whoops, and then they're going to test it, okay?
[01:43:14.580 --> 01:43:17.020]  I mean, talk about having us by the short hairs.
[01:43:18.480 --> 01:43:19.760]  This is real interesting.
[01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:24.220]  I personally feel that we need to disassociate wealth from fiction.
[01:43:25.480 --> 01:43:32.580]  And we really need to get back to local ownership, eliminate absentee landlords, the whole bit.
[01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:51.260]  Just as a minor point, which I made before in my lecture, but some of you may not have been there, William Grider, one of my favorite writers, has written a book called Come Home America in which he points out that real assets grew by five times in value whereas financial assets grew by 17 times in value.
[01:43:52.300 --> 01:43:56.860]  So 17 minus 5, 12 is the fraud index for Wall Street, okay?
[01:43:57.360 --> 01:44:09.900]  I mean, how we can allow these guys to give themselves bonuses is only understandable in the context of the White House being a subsidiary of Wall Street and being absolutely divorced from the public interest.
[01:44:10.340 --> 01:44:11.480]  Okay, up here, sir?
[01:44:12.480 --> 01:44:17.620]  I just had a quick question regarding, I guess you'd say leadership with the intelligence communities.
[01:44:18.060 --> 01:44:27.100]  Now, I have a bunch of people I know that have worked in the past for various intelligence agencies out there, specifically NRO.
[01:44:27.240 --> 01:44:30.580]  My roommate is currently an intern with the NSA.
[01:44:31.440 --> 01:44:33.260]  I know somebody who...
[01:44:33.260 --> 01:44:34.820]  You just got him fired, but okay.
[01:44:36.860 --> 01:44:38.300]  Anyway, and so what's your question?
[01:44:38.660 --> 01:44:38.980]  All right.
[01:44:39.940 --> 01:44:41.060]  Anyway, my point was...
[01:44:43.380 --> 01:44:45.560]  I actually know other people who work for the NSA as well.
[01:44:45.620 --> 01:44:52.100]  Every person I know who works for the NSA has said they all come away with saying that they never want to work their full time after interns, they all want to quit.
[01:44:54.120 --> 01:45:01.580]  They have all said that they're paranoid as all hell, to put it bluntly, of everybody to the point where they actually...
[01:45:01.940 --> 01:45:05.040]  The rumors of the NSA doing their things...
[01:45:05.040 --> 01:45:05.360]  I don't know.
[01:45:05.460 --> 01:45:10.340]  I mean, I really wouldn't be too skeptical of them anymore after the amount of crap I've heard of.
[01:45:10.520 --> 01:45:13.000]  NSA telling people to watch your neighbor, watch your coworker.
[01:45:13.100 --> 01:45:13.800]  You don't know what's going on.
[01:45:14.720 --> 01:45:17.840]  NRO, I've heard people complain just has no central leadership.
[01:45:19.020 --> 01:45:19.380]  They...
[01:45:19.380 --> 01:45:22.160]  Well, you know, there's something called Jim Clapper's harem.
[01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:32.140]  Basically, in the 1990s, and I was at GM 14 with these people when they were 14s, there were a number of people like Joan Dempsey and...
[01:45:33.450 --> 01:45:35.820]  God, I forget the names.
[01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:38.440]  But basically, they're a bunch of girls that Jim adopted.
[01:45:39.280 --> 01:45:42.900]  And now they're running the intelligence community on his behalf.
[01:45:43.340 --> 01:45:46.020]  And we just moved one very nice...
[01:45:46.020 --> 01:45:49.140]  Oh, Trish Long just took over the NRO.
[01:45:49.540 --> 01:45:53.060]  And she took over the NRO because she's one of Jim Clapper's harem girls.
[01:45:53.480 --> 01:45:56.900]  And I'm not talking sexually, in most cases.
[01:45:58.120 --> 01:46:07.060]  But even the DNI, who was supposed to fix all this stuff, the last thing I read in the news about them was they were butting heads with the director of CIA over various...
[01:46:07.060 --> 01:46:07.680]  control of various things.
[01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:08.360]  I mean, it's like...
[01:46:08.360 --> 01:46:12.520]  Well, the DNI is a bastard child who should never have been built.
[01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:16.640]  I mean, the DNI is like 4,000 staff members.
[01:46:16.660 --> 01:46:23.700]  And what we basically did was we promoted every asshole that should have been retired one more time to the DNI staff.
[01:46:25.120 --> 01:46:27.020]  And, you know, there's some good people there.
[01:46:27.100 --> 01:46:28.440]  There's some smart people there.
[01:46:28.940 --> 01:46:33.180]  But there isn't a single one of them that could write the book that I wrote in 2000.
[01:46:33.740 --> 01:46:39.920]  Actually, I wrote it in the 1990s and then put it together after the Washington Post got me to tell them that I had written a book.
[01:46:41.940 --> 01:46:43.200]  So, it's a funny story.
[01:46:43.280 --> 01:46:45.960]  Washington Post calls me and says, what are your comments on these two books?
[01:46:46.020 --> 01:46:47.140]  And I say, well, what about my book?
[01:46:47.240 --> 01:46:54.400]  At that point in time, it was a binder with my articles, but it had a really cool title on Intelligence, Spies, and Secrecy in an Open World.
[01:46:54.560 --> 01:46:55.860]  And so they wrote about my books.
[01:46:55.860 --> 01:46:57.160]  I decided I better write it.
[01:46:58.420 --> 01:46:59.380]  And I did.
[01:47:00.100 --> 01:47:01.740]  And it was a wonderful inspiration.
[01:47:02.460 --> 01:47:10.880]  So, what kind of point are you trying to get to other than the fact that the national intelligence community is the worst of all possible worlds?
[01:47:11.100 --> 01:47:16.260]  It's a bureaucracy with too much money that can hide its mistakes through secrecy.
[01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:22.040]  My simple question is, what do you think is your best bet on how to fix the leadership problem?
[01:47:22.200 --> 01:47:23.320]  How would you do it differently?
[01:47:23.580 --> 01:47:28.100]  I don't think it's going to happen, but if I were DNI, I'd unf*ck that place in 90 days.
[01:47:28.740 --> 01:47:34.520]  And I'd start by making the secretaries the leaders of the various agencies for at least 30 days.
[01:47:36.820 --> 01:47:41.800]  You know, yeah, look, the secretaries are honest and they know who's a bullshitter.
[01:47:42.860 --> 01:47:50.720]  And I really have enormous respect for secretaries who basically pull their bosses along and protect their bosses.
[01:47:51.220 --> 01:47:53.640]  So, in the back there, and then we'll come forward here.
[01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:56.620]  This is more in the spirit of a PSA also.
[01:47:57.960 --> 01:48:04.580]  You know, a lot of people are just leaving the trash next to their chair and then someone else has to come and clean it up.
[01:48:04.820 --> 01:48:14.660]  And it's just, it's hard to respect that because we have to clean up our own mess before we start yapping away about cleaning up everyone else's mess.
[01:48:14.860 --> 01:48:15.100]  You know?
[01:48:15.100 --> 01:48:21.200]  I mean, if we can't even pick up the plastic cups next to our chairs, you know, who are we to criticize?
[01:48:22.700 --> 01:48:23.180]  BP?
[01:48:23.700 --> 01:48:24.060]  Whoever.
[01:48:24.340 --> 01:48:26.340]  I mean, that's all I'm going to say about that.
[01:48:26.540 --> 01:48:26.820]  Okay.
[01:48:28.480 --> 01:48:29.120]  Thank you.
[01:48:32.240 --> 01:48:32.720]  Yeah.
[01:48:33.400 --> 01:48:33.880]  Next.
[01:48:34.180 --> 01:48:35.880]  In the back and then we'll come forward.
[01:48:37.100 --> 01:48:39.120]  This is a slightly different question.
[01:48:39.740 --> 01:48:42.240]  What's your personal investment philosophy?
[01:48:43.280 --> 01:48:48.720]  If you had $20,000 to invest in something, it sounds like you're down on Wall Street.
[01:48:50.000 --> 01:48:54.800]  Is there anybody that you actually respect to take your money and do something good with it?
[01:48:54.800 --> 01:49:01.940]  Look, my wife gave me $30,000 in savings and instead of putting it into Cisco in 1992, I wasted it on my company.
[01:49:02.400 --> 01:49:05.060]  I really would not ask me for investment advice.
[01:49:07.460 --> 01:49:10.880]  Do you think BP is a good investment right now, for example?
[01:49:12.580 --> 01:49:16.960]  Well, but again, you know, I'm really troubled.
[01:49:17.180 --> 01:49:18.880]  I think we should get rid of the stock market.
[01:49:19.740 --> 01:49:23.140]  I'm not at all sure it's ever going to be honest.
[01:49:24.100 --> 01:49:32.980]  And, you know, Mark Lewis wrote a book called Liar's Poker in the 1980s and he was recently interviewed and he said, I never thought they'd get away with it for another 20 years.
[01:49:34.280 --> 01:49:35.220]  But they have.
[01:49:35.700 --> 01:49:37.420]  And now we've just bailed them out.
[01:49:37.420 --> 01:49:38.960]  The idea of the U.S. government giving Wall Street $8 trillion and people not burning tires in the streets just confounds me.
[01:49:46.500 --> 01:49:48.820]  I'm suffering from cognitive dissonance right now.
[01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:52.220]  So I wouldn't go to me for investment advice.
[01:49:52.280 --> 01:50:09.700]  But I'll tell you, if I had to do it over again, I think all things being equal, I'd move to a bay one quarter inch down on the Pacific coast of Washington State and start growing marijuana.
[01:50:12.460 --> 01:50:13.320]  Yes, sir.
[01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:16.860]  Yes, sir.
[01:50:17.200 --> 01:50:28.920]  I'm from South Louisiana and all those places you see on the news, I grew up around Fouchon, Grand Tet, all those places, fishing.
[01:50:30.180 --> 01:50:33.620]  The bird's foot that you see the Mississippi River Delta.
[01:50:33.900 --> 01:50:41.020]  When I was 13 and running around that place, there was 50% more land mass on it than there is now.
[01:50:41.160 --> 01:50:45.260]  We lose 25 square miles a year.
[01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:49.580]  That's something like a football field every 38 minutes.
[01:50:49.900 --> 01:50:50.580]  Wow.
[01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:58.140]  We have 30% of the coastal marsh of the United States and we lose 90, we've lost 90% of it.
[01:50:58.380 --> 01:51:04.980]  The Gulf Coast is responsible for something like 50% of the shrimp harvest per year.
[01:51:06.000 --> 01:51:07.440]  Our coast...
[01:51:07.440 --> 01:51:07.700]  We're...
[01:51:07.700 --> 01:51:08.420]  I'm sorry.
[01:51:08.600 --> 01:51:09.300]  We're f*cked.
[01:51:10.040 --> 01:51:10.620]  I'm...
[01:51:10.620 --> 01:51:11.360]  I'm listening.
[01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:15.800]  I wanted to move back to Louisiana and help make the state better.
[01:51:16.080 --> 01:51:18.280]  These problems existed before Katrina.
[01:51:18.620 --> 01:51:28.500]  All these issues with Katrina and the Gulf Coast loss, those are all the fault of the oil company before BP did this.
[01:51:28.900 --> 01:51:30.340]  Mr. Go was one of the...
[01:51:30.340 --> 01:51:48.360]  The Mississippi River Gulf outlet was made by oil companies to increase shipping and they shut it down because it didn't get any traffic and it increased by 50% over its lifetime, the width, and then Katrina pushed this huge storm surge up into the middle of the city and destroyed it.
[01:51:48.460 --> 01:51:49.400]  Well, let me take your...
[01:51:49.400 --> 01:51:51.080]  Let me take your comment forward.
[01:51:51.420 --> 01:51:55.840]  My whole question is where do I have any optimism?
[01:51:56.020 --> 01:51:57.260]  Like my state's done.
[01:51:58.100 --> 01:52:02.020]  We're your next welfare boondoggle for the United States.
[01:52:02.220 --> 01:52:02.880]  We're done.
[01:52:03.020 --> 01:52:04.460]  We have no coastal economy.
[01:52:04.620 --> 01:52:07.000]  Oil and seafood are done for us.
[01:52:07.120 --> 01:52:07.920]  That's all we had.
[01:52:08.260 --> 01:52:11.840]  So where do you have any hope that we can...
[01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:16.620]  Corporate malfeasance has been wrecking the country for 150 years.
[01:52:16.620 --> 01:52:22.720]  They've been all over, you know, the Army Corps engineers have been doing this forever.
[01:52:22.720 --> 01:52:23.540]  Let me get an answer in.
[01:52:23.680 --> 01:52:27.220]  So where do you have hope for the future that will fix any of the ship?
[01:52:28.720 --> 01:52:33.020]  First off, there's a wonderful book called Acts of God.
[01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:41.720]  And the point that it makes is that paving over the wetlands was not a cool idea because that, in fact, is a major issue.
[01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:46.400]  I've reviewed a number of books on climate and weather and change and so forth.
[01:52:46.400 --> 01:52:53.160]  And what it really turns out is we destroyed the Mississippi River Delta area.
[01:52:53.460 --> 01:52:57.500]  And the Corps of Engineers has been a major force for destruction.
[01:52:58.700 --> 01:53:02.440]  And it's all been done because nobody thought this through.
[01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:05.380]  And the precautionary principle wasn't followed.
[01:53:05.380 --> 01:53:14.920]  And as horrible as Louisiana is, it is matched easily by major problems elsewhere.
[01:53:16.140 --> 01:53:20.720]  Because, again, Charles Perro's book, Catastrophe, is really excellent.
[01:53:20.920 --> 01:53:27.780]  I mean, we do more damage with industrial misbehavior than any terrorist ever could.
[01:53:27.780 --> 01:53:43.860]  But, in fact, in the book that I just wrote, a really guy I really admire, Steve Carmel from Merck Shipping, he told me that basically a terrorist incident like in Baltimore Harbor is nothing more than a train wreck for the shipping industry.
[01:53:44.160 --> 01:53:53.060]  But the idiot decisions that the government makes in the 30 days after that cost him billions of dollars because the U.S. government overreacts and so forth.
[01:53:55.560 --> 01:54:07.220]  And I wasn't smart enough to think of it on the day, but 9-11 would have been a lot cheaper if we had simply said to every pilot, tell your passengers any asshole that gets up in the next 30 minutes is dead.
[01:54:08.160 --> 01:54:12.100]  And we'll give a presidential medal to the first-class passenger that kills him.
[01:54:13.080 --> 01:54:18.640]  You know, I mean, it's just we so overreact.
[01:54:18.940 --> 01:54:21.900]  I mean, TSA is, is pathetic.
[01:54:23.340 --> 01:54:29.240]  And, and these machines and, and taking off my shoes and having to take off my belt.
[01:54:29.680 --> 01:54:31.400]  I mean, Al-Qaeda is laughing.
[01:54:31.580 --> 01:54:45.460]  When, when, when 9-11 happened, I, I wrote a short blog piece on how we spend, for every, for every dollar that Al-Qaeda or anyone else spends to f*ck us up, we have to spend $500,000 in return.
[01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:46.980]  It's now up to 5 million.
[01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:48.020]  Okay?
[01:54:48.340 --> 01:54:50.300]  I mean, we cannot keep doing this.
[01:54:50.300 --> 01:54:53.740]  Uh, we are reaching the limit of our idiocy.
[01:54:54.340 --> 01:54:57.340]  Uh, and I, what's that?
[01:54:57.780 --> 01:54:58.340]  Idiocracy.
[01:54:58.400 --> 01:54:59.180]  Great movie.
[01:54:59.580 --> 01:55:00.800]  Great, great movie.
[01:55:01.120 --> 01:55:01.640]  Absolutely.
[01:55:02.260 --> 01:55:03.480]  A wonderful movie.
[01:55:03.820 --> 01:55:07.600]  I have reviewed it on, on, uh, so all of you go have babies.
[01:55:11.620 --> 01:55:12.460]  we need your help.
[01:55:12.640 --> 01:55:13.800]  It's the National...

[00:00.000 --> 00:00.200]  Thank you.
[00:02.000 --> 00:03.000]  Sir in the back.
[00:04.820 --> 00:07.600]  Getting back to the international... And we're going to take a break at 2.
[00:09.040 --> 00:17.400]  Before you're talking about dictators and how you shouldn't put any dictator in a corner, I lived in Korea for the last five years or so, and I was wondering...
[00:17.970 --> 00:18.680]  Of course.
[00:19.160 --> 00:24.040]  And what do you think should be done about North Korea?
[00:24.900 --> 00:25.880]  How do you handle that?
[00:30.460 --> 00:33.320]  You know, the Chinese are handling North Korea.
[00:33.900 --> 00:43.640]  I think our biggest mistake was basically staying on the Korean Peninsula in the first place.
[00:45.240 --> 00:48.400]  We have 750 bases all over the world.
[00:48.560 --> 00:53.540]  I mean, there's a wonderful DVD called How We Fight, and I'm coming right to you.
[00:53.540 --> 00:56.280]  There's a wonderful DVD called How We Fight.
[00:56.380 --> 01:06.280]  And it basically links wars with pulling people out of poverty or creating poverty and then having a war as a kind of a cycle.
[01:07.220 --> 01:18.620]  Vietnam, in fact, there's now some very interesting documentation coming out that we went into Vietnam knowing it was the wrong war for the wrong reason and that it would cost us 50,000 casualties in the last 10 years.
[01:19.140 --> 01:26.120]  There's a wonderful book also by a guy, first-time author, Michael Heum, called Who the Hell Are We Fighting?
[01:26.540 --> 01:35.680]  And it features Sam Adams, who is complaining one day that here we are in a guerrilla war and the Pentagon isn't letting us count the guerrillas.
[01:35.680 --> 01:45.160]  Okay, and then it has another really excellent quote from Sherman Kent asking Sam Adams, Are we reaching the boundaries of reasonable dishonesty?
[01:46.260 --> 01:50.060]  Okay, well, reasonable dishonesty is what your government is all about.
[01:50.260 --> 01:51.580]  And that's wrong.
[01:51.960 --> 01:54.480]  Why don't you jump up and give me something there?
[01:54.980 --> 01:55.200]  Yeah.
[01:55.560 --> 02:01.460]  What are your thoughts on Arizona's immigration law, the Azlan movement, and the imminent amnesty reform?
[02:01.460 --> 02:02.360]  What was the middle one?
[02:02.700 --> 02:03.900]  The Azlan movement.
[02:04.480 --> 02:06.560]  You know, the Southwest belongs to Mexico.
[02:07.040 --> 02:08.800]  Oh, well, it does actually.
[02:09.700 --> 02:13.000]  The Guadalupe Hidalgo Treaty, they've retaken it.
[02:13.080 --> 02:14.040]  They had a lot of babies.
[02:15.500 --> 02:21.320]  You know, the bottom line here, and I say this as someone who does have Latino blood.
[02:21.540 --> 02:23.120]  My mother was born in Colombia.
[02:24.980 --> 02:30.460]  First off, it's really fascinating, and I do want to get in.
[02:30.460 --> 02:33.240]  I think after the break, because I've got to go to the bathroom.
[02:33.540 --> 02:45.580]  But after the break, if you want, I would love to get into this whole issue of health of nations and artificial political boundaries and how much trouble we've created with webs of deceit and so forth.
[02:45.880 --> 02:54.680]  But the reality is we burned all of the land ownership records of the Mexicans in the first place, so that we could then drive them out at gunpoint.
[02:54.680 --> 03:03.920]  And there's a lot to be said for the fact that they've simply naturally recovered what we took away from them illegally in the first place.
[03:04.220 --> 03:15.180]  Now, having said that, I strongly support Arizona's immigration endeavors because the federal government is no longer setting floors.
[03:15.180 --> 03:19.740]  It's now setting ceilings on everything, including environmental protection.
[03:20.100 --> 03:23.000]  The federal government is now the enemy of the public interest.
[03:23.700 --> 03:25.160]  Let's stop on that note.
[03:25.320 --> 03:26.240]  I'm going to go to the bathroom.
[03:26.420 --> 03:31.640]  I realize a lot of you are tired, but I will stay as long as anybody wants to have a question.
[03:31.800 --> 03:35.640]  We'll put it on video, and then someone can do YouTubes to their heart's content.
[03:35.640 --> 03:37.800]  So I'll be back in five minutes.
[03:45.490 --> 03:49.230]  ...valuation that was independent of the contractors.
[03:49.230 --> 03:51.550]  Today, we don't do operational tests and evaluation.
[03:51.750 --> 03:53.990]  In fact, I don't think we've ever tested a nuclear missile.
[03:54.410 --> 03:56.530]  We can't find a lot of them right now.
[03:57.090 --> 03:57.570]  Okay?
[03:58.430 --> 04:00.950]  I mean, this is just amazing.
[04:01.630 --> 04:02.590]  Absolutely amazing.
[04:02.770 --> 04:05.450]  And secrecy is used to cover all of this up.
[04:07.670 --> 04:10.150]  So the services are out of control.
[04:11.110 --> 04:14.910]  The Air Force hasn't built a decent airplane since the A-10.
[04:16.110 --> 04:20.170]  I'm friends with Chuck Spinney and indirectly with Pierre and others.
[04:21.850 --> 04:24.310]  You know, I mean, we need stuff that's long loiter.
[04:24.450 --> 04:28.970]  For example, the average aviation day in the DOD is warm and not humid.
[04:29.230 --> 04:31.670]  Well, the real-world day is hot and humid.
[04:31.670 --> 04:35.710]  And what that means is your load, your lift, and your loiter are cut in half.
[04:36.750 --> 04:40.250]  But we don't build airplanes to a hot day or a humid day.
[04:40.430 --> 04:49.810]  And, oh, by the way, the Navy likes to be really big ships that stay 200 clicks offshore, which means you end up having five minutes of air cover.
[04:50.450 --> 04:56.310]  And when you're in a low-intensity conflict like Somalia, the Air Force insists on eight-hour days for its pilots.
[04:56.510 --> 05:02.950]  So Puff the Magic Dragon has to go home to the air conditioning when the Marines are getting fired on.
[05:03.810 --> 05:05.750]  You know, all of this is just nuts.
[05:06.110 --> 05:07.830]  I mean, I couldn't make this stuff up.
[05:08.250 --> 05:09.290]  It's like a nightmare.
[05:09.510 --> 05:10.150]  In the back, sir.
[05:10.510 --> 05:10.930]  Sure.
[05:11.450 --> 05:15.930]  A friendly stranger asked me about this because I hadn't actually thought about it, and I wanted to bring it to you.
[05:16.110 --> 05:27.230]  Is there anything that you can talk about in terms of contrails coming out of airplanes and potential planting of neurotoxins and control of a population in that regard?
[05:27.230 --> 05:32.530]  And is that something that's actually going on that you know anything about?
[05:32.530 --> 05:45.930]  The short answer is no, but I'm very concerned about the thing that we lack in the U.S. government is honest oversight.
[05:48.890 --> 06:03.730]  And I don't know anything about contrails, but I do have some knowledge of some of these secret camps with a couple thousand men without a country and U.S. servicemen being asked whether they'd be willing to disarm U.S. citizens and Halliburton building prison camps here in the U.S.
[06:10.710 --> 06:16.410]  I mean, there's an awful lot of stuff where the dots have not been connected in a proper way for the public.
[06:16.410 --> 06:22.830]  And I'm not the person who can connect them for you, but I think this is the kind of stuff we need to be acutely sensitive to.
[06:22.830 --> 06:26.990]  And I personally am licensed to carry a concealed weapon, and I do.
[06:28.210 --> 06:30.850]  I think every single one of us should be armed.
[06:31.430 --> 06:33.530]  And very, very dangerous.
[06:35.870 --> 06:46.030]  Because our founding fathers understood that if the citizens were not educated and not armed, they would be turned into sheep under tyranny.
[06:46.830 --> 06:51.750]  And my biggest disappointment with Ron Paul is he's play-acting being a libertarian.
[06:52.350 --> 06:54.070]  He's not actually doing it.
[06:54.930 --> 06:56.570]  And that's a mistake.
[06:56.750 --> 07:01.130]  Because I think between Jesse Ventura and Ron Paul, and I'd throw Sarah Palin in there.
[07:01.230 --> 07:03.270]  I mean, you've got to have something to get the Pentecostals in.
[07:03.530 --> 07:04.010]  Okay?
[07:04.810 --> 07:05.290]  So...
[07:05.930 --> 07:08.370]  I mean, I actually like Sarah Palin.
[07:08.370 --> 07:10.890]  I think she has enormous potential.
[07:13.330 --> 07:13.810]  And...
[07:13.810 --> 07:14.270]  What's that?
[07:19.400 --> 07:25.860]  Yes, I actually drove to Des Moines and talked to Secret Service into letting me put a memorandum under his door.
[07:26.080 --> 07:27.820]  And this hotel was sold out.
[07:28.100 --> 07:35.020]  I talked a woman of color on the desk into putting me into one of the two rooms the Secret Service had blocked on either side of Obama's room.
[07:35.440 --> 07:36.940]  And I took that room.
[07:37.000 --> 07:41.900]  And then I went down to the business center and I typed up a memo saying this is what's going to happen to you.
[07:41.940 --> 07:44.060]  And you really need to govern strategically.
[07:44.080 --> 07:47.340]  And you really need to do intelligence-driven government and all of this jazz.
[07:47.800 --> 07:49.620]  And showed it to a Secret Service guy.
[07:49.760 --> 07:51.080]  Gave him my Social Security number.
[07:51.120 --> 07:52.460]  He could care less at that point.
[07:53.180 --> 07:55.020]  And then I slipped it under his door.
[07:55.260 --> 08:07.540]  And not only did I never hear from him again, but my 20 faxes to David Puffet and to David Axelrod and to Oprah Winfrey, whose private fax number I was able to get, went unanswered.
[08:07.680 --> 08:07.920]  Okay?
[08:08.860 --> 08:10.840]  Obama was there to win the election.
[08:11.000 --> 08:13.220]  He was not there to govern in the public interest.
[08:13.420 --> 08:15.600]  And that is my disappointment in Obama.
[08:15.820 --> 08:18.320]  I actually had a website called freeobama.net.
[08:18.640 --> 08:20.140]  And I had that picture.
[08:20.300 --> 08:22.220]  Did you all see the picture of Obama and Bush?
[08:24.100 --> 08:28.320]  Let me see if I can get it up on the screen here.
[08:29.520 --> 08:36.360]  But, you know, Obama could still take control of his own government.
[08:36.880 --> 08:39.960]  And he could still be the greatest president we ever had.
[08:40.600 --> 08:41.740]  I think it's too late.
[08:41.920 --> 08:43.180]  It may be too late.
[08:43.800 --> 08:46.500]  I mean, judging by this healthcare fiasco...
[08:46.500 --> 08:48.560]  And you guys wanted to talk about healthcare.
[08:48.760 --> 08:49.660]  It comes in four parts.
[08:49.900 --> 08:51.620]  Part one is healthy lifestyle.
[08:51.620 --> 08:54.300]  Part two is healthy environment without toxins.
[08:54.520 --> 08:58.340]  Part three is alternative in natural medicine, including banana oil for breast cancer.
[08:58.420 --> 09:00.020]  The AMA does not want you to know that.
[09:00.240 --> 09:05.320]  And then part four is surgery and pharmaceuticals at a price we can afford.
[09:05.320 --> 09:13.140]  The rest of the world pays 1% of what we pay for the top 75 drugs.
[09:13.660 --> 09:14.160]  Okay?
[09:14.500 --> 09:22.380]  And if you go to Thailand and South Africa and other places, you can buy all 75 of our top drugs for 1% of what we pay.
[09:22.380 --> 09:23.620]  I mean, that's nuts.
[09:23.820 --> 09:25.560]  Now, in the back there, and then we'll come forward.
[09:25.900 --> 09:29.420]  How do you feel about the anti-vaccine movement and people like...
[09:33.020 --> 09:34.060]  That's a...
[09:34.060 --> 09:34.580]  Yeah.
[09:34.580 --> 09:37.840]  I actually support the anti-vaccine movement.
[09:38.000 --> 09:42.200]  I was very uncomfortable as a young lieutenant being treated as a guinea pig.
[09:43.840 --> 09:45.800]  I'll tell you what the bottom line is.
[09:45.880 --> 09:47.380]  The bottom line is the U.S. government does not know what it's doing.
[09:50.300 --> 09:54.380]  And when you get right down to it, the U.S. government is basically bullshitting you across a number of fronts.
[10:00.540 --> 10:04.200]  And until we get this fragmentation of knowledge thing done...
[10:04.200 --> 10:05.980]  All right, now I can't see my own screen.
[10:06.120 --> 10:06.460]  Let's see.
[10:06.600 --> 10:07.160]  F5?
[10:09.900 --> 10:10.460]  What?
[10:13.560 --> 10:15.000]  Yes, I am clueless.
[10:15.080 --> 10:16.020]  You're absolutely right.
[10:16.700 --> 10:18.140]  Some things I do well.
[10:19.000 --> 10:20.100]  Like clueless.
[10:21.120 --> 10:22.880]  How do I see my own screen?
[10:23.900 --> 10:27.820]  Function key and then one of the keys that has a monitor icon on it.
[10:27.980 --> 10:29.160]  Ah, okay.
[10:31.340 --> 10:33.760]  Possibly an F4, maybe function F4.
[10:34.380 --> 10:35.820]  All right, let's try that.
[10:36.040 --> 10:37.140]  Function F4?
[10:37.380 --> 10:37.480]  No.
[10:39.720 --> 10:40.900]  Function F1?
[10:45.920 --> 10:50.400]  Yeah, except this is a Dell computer from 2005.
[10:55.850 --> 10:57.510]  CRT LCD right there.
[10:57.710 --> 10:59.530]  Oh, oh, oh, I can't read.
[10:59.890 --> 11:00.490]  CRT...
[11:01.210 --> 11:04.090]  All right, function CRT LTD.
[11:05.390 --> 11:06.570]  That's control, yeah.
[11:07.830 --> 11:08.350]  Ah.
[11:09.290 --> 11:11.030]  You're an amazing human being.
[11:11.490 --> 11:12.690]  You've got to hit it again.
[11:15.430 --> 11:16.390]  Function, okay.
[11:17.290 --> 11:18.230]  Should be both now.
[11:18.470 --> 11:19.070]  Good to go.
[11:19.350 --> 11:19.770]  All right.
[11:21.930 --> 11:27.030]  There's a slide I want to show you guys on the fragmentation of knowledge, but I've completely forgotten what I was talking about.
[11:27.690 --> 11:28.490]  What was it?
[11:29.510 --> 11:30.610]  Oh, anti-vaccine.
[11:35.990 --> 11:39.090]  I've lost my train of thought, but the bottom line...
[11:39.090 --> 11:39.470]  What?
[11:47.400 --> 11:50.120]  Oh, oh, yeah, the face, the face, the face.
[11:55.500 --> 11:55.980]  Um...
[11:55.980 --> 11:57.260]  The pre-Obama.
[11:59.260 --> 12:01.880]  All right, the George Bush Obama.
[12:08.260 --> 12:21.420]  Now I have to tell you, I did not create this incredible morph, and if I can ever find the person who did, I'd like to acknowledge them permanently and really express my appreciation, because this is the best morph I've ever seen.
[12:21.640 --> 12:25.080]  I had my graphics artist do one, and I've got it in here someplace.
[12:25.980 --> 12:27.560]  But this is the best.
[12:28.480 --> 12:28.960]  Um...
[12:28.960 --> 12:31.560]  There is absolutely no difference between Obama and Bush.
[12:32.100 --> 12:33.420]  If you look at Treasury...
[12:33.420 --> 12:37.020]  I mean, all the ambassadors in Latin America are still the ones that were appointed under Bush.
[12:38.340 --> 12:38.820]  Um...
[12:38.820 --> 12:42.960]  Hillary Clinton is a nice lady, but she doesn't know jack shit about Latin America.
[12:43.660 --> 12:44.140]  Uh...
[12:44.140 --> 12:45.420]  And, uh...
[12:45.420 --> 12:45.940]  It's...
[12:45.940 --> 12:47.380]  It's really, truly unfortunate.
[12:47.380 --> 12:51.460]  We do not have a State Department that's actually thinking about waging peace.
[12:52.040 --> 12:52.300]  All right.
[12:53.800 --> 12:55.280]  So that's the, uh...
[12:55.280 --> 12:55.940]  That's the thing.
[12:56.160 --> 12:56.400]  Uh...
[12:56.400 --> 12:57.700]  Yes, sir, and then we'll come back to you.
[12:58.220 --> 13:00.340]  Who do you think the next president is gonna be?
[13:00.500 --> 13:01.780]  A Republican or a Democrat?
[13:02.040 --> 13:02.660]  Does it matter?
[13:03.300 --> 13:04.300]  I know, but if it's a...
[13:04.300 --> 13:05.710]  If it is a, uh...
[13:06.380 --> 13:07.480]  Democrat, do you think it'll be Hillary?
[13:10.450 --> 13:11.690]  I don't think so.
[13:11.850 --> 13:12.770]  I mean, I'll tell you something.
[13:12.890 --> 13:14.430]  The Secret Service guys hate her.
[13:15.850 --> 13:16.330]  Um...
[13:16.330 --> 13:19.150]  And they don't hate her because of all of her female guests.
[13:19.510 --> 13:22.650]  They hate her because she was an absolute bitch to them.
[13:23.050 --> 13:27.590]  And she mistreated them and abused them in ways that they will never forget.
[13:27.590 --> 13:34.890]  And so if she ever runs for president, I have been told by a Secret Service officer, they will release the list of her guests.
[13:35.950 --> 13:36.470]  Um...
[13:36.470 --> 13:37.170]  So, I don't know.
[13:37.610 --> 13:38.330]  But, uh...
[13:38.330 --> 13:44.110]  My personal feeling is we have an opportunity to put someone like Jesse Ventura into office.
[13:44.990 --> 13:45.510]  Um...
[13:45.510 --> 13:48.650]  I have actually worked with people to create a coalition cabinet.
[13:48.990 --> 13:51.570]  And this is why Ron Paul pisses me off so much.
[13:51.970 --> 13:59.010]  Because he has an opportunity to play nice with Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney and Jackie Salet, who's an American hero.
[13:59.330 --> 14:04.750]  I mean, what Jackie Salet did for Bloomberg, which he then really screwed her over by going for a third term.
[14:06.710 --> 14:07.070]  Um...
[14:07.070 --> 14:13.310]  You guys have heard the joke that when Clinton found out that Bloomberg could get a third term, he said, you can do that?
[14:17.650 --> 14:18.370]  But, anyway.
[14:18.790 --> 14:19.130]  Uh...
[14:19.130 --> 14:24.070]  So, I mean, we have some real heroes here in America, but they're not playing well with each other.
[14:24.190 --> 14:27.790]  I mean, I'd bring Lee Iacocca in, if he's still alive, as a chief of staff.
[14:28.810 --> 14:29.210]  Um...
[14:29.210 --> 14:32.810]  And I would create a coalition cabinet as a sunshine cabinet.
[14:33.050 --> 14:36.710]  And I would make intelligence-driven policy with a balanced budget.
[14:36.710 --> 14:38.190]  And I'd post it.
[14:38.870 --> 14:42.750]  And I'd say, excuse me, if we can do this, why can't you?
[14:42.910 --> 14:45.050]  And then that's the point at which corruption comes in.
[14:45.150 --> 14:47.290]  Come to the mic and get into this.
[14:47.890 --> 14:50.410]  It's not in their best interest to play nice.
[14:57.940 --> 15:05.020]  It's not in their interests to play nice, because then their personal agendas would be abrogated by actually having to do something.
[15:05.020 --> 15:10.960]  Then, in that case, drive them the f*ck out of office, and stop listening to them, and start over.
[15:11.680 --> 15:15.800]  And, frankly, Jesse Ventura is as good as it gets.
[15:16.820 --> 15:17.320]  Uh...
[15:17.320 --> 15:17.760]  You know?
[15:18.580 --> 15:22.680]  I mean, any one of us could be a better president than the ones we've got now.
[15:23.640 --> 15:24.140]  Um...
[15:24.140 --> 15:26.620]  And all it takes is integrity.
[15:27.240 --> 15:31.560]  And one of the things that I've been told is Obama's afraid of being assassinated.
[15:32.980 --> 15:33.480]  Um...
[15:33.480 --> 15:35.420]  And that's not an unreasonable fear.
[15:35.840 --> 15:36.340]  Um...
[15:36.340 --> 15:39.940]  I owe you the mic, so please go there, and then we'll come back.
[15:40.580 --> 15:41.080]  Uh...
[15:41.080 --> 15:43.160]  Do you think Fidel Castro is dead?
[15:43.360 --> 15:46.100]  And if so, when will we ever find out about it?
[15:46.340 --> 15:47.600]  He spoke to me yesterday.
[15:48.900 --> 15:49.400]  Really?
[15:53.550 --> 15:54.050]  Uh...
[15:54.050 --> 15:55.450]  I don't think he's dead.
[15:55.850 --> 15:56.210]  Uh...
[15:56.210 --> 16:00.090]  Actually, I think he just came out publicly, uh, speaking on something.
[16:01.690 --> 16:02.490]  And, um...
[16:02.490 --> 16:04.550]  And it was over an hour, so we know it's Fidel.
[16:05.990 --> 16:06.390]  Um...
[16:06.390 --> 16:06.950]  And...
[16:06.950 --> 16:08.810]  And so, no, I don't think he's dead.
[16:08.990 --> 16:10.610]  I think he had a logical turnover.
[16:10.830 --> 16:15.270]  And, you know, it's a real shame that Cuba had to be so screwed up.
[16:15.370 --> 16:23.790]  And one of the interesting things about Cuba is it's been pointed out to me that the rest of Latin America learned two things from the Cuban experience, including the Bay of Pigs.
[16:24.430 --> 16:26.770]  One, they learned how screwed up the U.S. was and how the U.S. could not make the Bay of Pigs stick.
[16:29.730 --> 16:34.250]  And that we actually, with Cuba, caused an extreme right overreaction.
[16:34.650 --> 16:44.550]  And, basically, we put dictators into power, or dictators came to power in Latin America because they were acutely aware of the fact that Castro had succeeded in Cuba.
[16:45.550 --> 16:46.030]  Um...
[16:46.030 --> 16:47.130]  So, you know...
[16:47.130 --> 16:53.190]  And we'll get to this whole issue of national artificial boundaries and indigenous peoples and so forth.
[16:53.190 --> 16:53.790]  Quick comment?
[16:54.410 --> 16:56.990]  Actually, something you had mentioned triggered the thought.
[16:57.390 --> 17:09.650]  Do you see any hope in decentralizing government and giving back our power to local governments and actually building stronger local governments and taking care of our world that way, as opposed to having this centralized authority which is doing absolutely nothing for us?
[17:09.710 --> 17:11.170]  Well, there's a two-part answer to that.
[17:11.290 --> 17:18.250]  The first part, and I learned this in reading Deer Hunting with Jesus, is our local governments are just as corrupt as our national government.
[17:18.250 --> 17:27.390]  And one of the things I didn't realize was that across America, the Rotary Club and the Planning Council and all of that, they're making sweetheart deals with corporations.
[17:27.390 --> 17:28.810]  They're giving them tax breaks.
[17:28.970 --> 17:30.150]  They're giving them public land.
[17:30.470 --> 17:32.710]  They're making theirs on commissions.
[17:33.210 --> 17:42.030]  But they're screwing over the public because they're basically giving up all of the taxes that would pay for proper education at the local level.
[17:42.030 --> 17:45.690]  So part one of the answer is no elite can be trusted.
[17:45.890 --> 17:51.270]  We actually have to get back to practical participatory democracy with complete transparency.
[17:51.630 --> 17:55.170]  And we have to control how our dollars are spent.
[17:56.030 --> 17:58.930]  And I'm not sure where we're going.
[17:59.250 --> 18:09.110]  But the fact that we're all starting to talk about this, the fact that women in Kuwait can now swarm and do a flash mob and then disappear, this is cool.
[18:09.110 --> 18:12.410]  And so we're moving in the right direction.
[18:12.410 --> 18:16.630]  And I really think we're going to reach a tipping point sometime in the next five to ten years.
[18:17.130 --> 18:21.150]  But coming back to this, we should not elect a Republican or a Democrat.
[18:21.310 --> 18:23.950]  In fact, the League of Women Voters, I'm still angry at them.
[18:24.190 --> 18:25.450]  No, I'm over the anger.
[18:25.630 --> 18:26.490]  I'm disappointed.
[18:27.630 --> 18:32.330]  The League of Women Voters was running a perfectly good presidential debate function.
[18:33.350 --> 18:40.970]  But the presidential campaigns, I mean the presidential debates that they were running, allowed third, fourth, and fifth candidates.
[18:41.310 --> 18:44.930]  And they were demanding that they ask questions that were not provided beforehand.
[18:45.530 --> 18:52.430]  And so the Republicans and the Democrats got together and they created the debate commission for two parties only.
[18:52.710 --> 18:56.610]  And they threw the League of Women Voters out of the debate business.
[18:56.610 --> 18:59.230]  And the League of Women Voters let them get away with it.
[19:00.330 --> 19:01.690]  That is so wrong.
[19:02.470 --> 19:06.330]  They should have raised holy hell and said no sex for a year.
[19:07.350 --> 19:07.830]  Okay?
[19:08.330 --> 19:10.690]  Unless we get the presidential debates back.
[19:11.150 --> 19:15.890]  That was a lack of integrity on the part of the League of Women Voters.
[19:16.590 --> 19:18.590]  They let them get away with it.
[19:18.590 --> 19:26.870]  And I would like to see the League of Women Voters, which I do respect very much, get back into the presidential debate business as well as governors and so forth.
[19:27.170 --> 19:28.230]  In the back there, sir.
[19:28.530 --> 19:29.610]  Hi, just a quick question.
[19:29.790 --> 19:31.850]  How do you feel about the educational system today?
[19:32.090 --> 19:34.830]  And the job training that goes on in schools and...
[19:39.210 --> 19:46.060]  Well, I've reviewed Weapons of Mass Instruction by Gotti, who got a teacher's award here in New York and is now retired.
[19:46.060 --> 19:50.180]  And orbiting the creative hairball and so forth.
[19:50.380 --> 19:52.960]  I mean, our schools beat the creativity out of our children.
[19:53.240 --> 19:56.220]  And most of us are survivors of the school system.
[19:57.240 --> 20:01.760]  We're into rote learning, memorization of useless old facts.
[20:01.900 --> 20:06.000]  In fact, in my monograph on human intelligence, I have this chart.
[20:06.220 --> 20:08.340]  And there's a literature on digital natives.
[20:08.340 --> 20:11.240]  It's actually a book title and a meme and so forth.
[20:11.480 --> 20:12.540]  No, you're not.
[20:12.680 --> 20:14.460]  I'm a digital immigrant, okay?
[20:14.460 --> 20:15.740]  My kids laugh at me.
[20:16.720 --> 20:21.060]  But you guys are digital natives and your children are going to be superpowers.
[20:22.320 --> 20:27.660]  So digital immigrants like to teach to the book, have a school solution.
[20:28.080 --> 20:30.220]  Everybody sits quietly in their chair.
[20:30.620 --> 20:31.580]  It's competitive.
[20:32.160 --> 20:34.360]  Whereas digital natives want to be entertained.
[20:34.620 --> 20:35.900]  They want to multitask.
[20:36.540 --> 20:39.840]  They want to learn what's useful in the moment.
[20:39.840 --> 20:42.100]  They know how to search and retrieve.
[20:42.380 --> 20:43.620]  They want to do team learning.
[20:44.000 --> 20:45.520]  They want to learn how to learn.
[20:45.680 --> 20:46.920]  I mean, we've blown it.
[20:47.240 --> 20:48.860]  We've absolutely blown it.
[20:48.940 --> 20:56.220]  And if I were God, I think the next president needs a secretary of education, intelligence, and research.
[20:56.220 --> 21:00.880]  And we should strip the intelligence community and use that to fund proper education and research.
[21:05.220 --> 21:12.600]  And by the way, I would basically eliminate the Boy Scouts, but keep the merit badges.
[21:13.260 --> 21:15.040]  Oh, all right, all right.
[21:15.160 --> 21:17.240]  I've touched an American icon.
[21:18.020 --> 21:21.900]  Well, get rid of the uniforms and the salutes, you know.
[21:23.640 --> 21:25.280]  That's my Cub Scout salute.
[21:25.720 --> 21:25.920]  Okay.
[21:26.260 --> 21:29.160]  No, the merit badges are the coolest thing on the planet.
[21:29.800 --> 21:34.140]  And I think every kid should have to earn every merit badge before they go to college.
[21:35.280 --> 21:38.200]  And we need to have apprenticeships in the trades.
[21:38.280 --> 21:40.840]  And we need to have apprenticeships in the professions.
[21:40.840 --> 21:46.920]  I mean, if you can't hammer a nail and turn a screw, you're useless to society.
[21:47.360 --> 21:47.920]  Okay.
[21:48.080 --> 21:49.100]  Facebook merit badge.
[21:49.220 --> 21:49.540]  What?
[21:49.860 --> 21:54.010]  Facebook merit badge.
[21:54.010 --> 21:55.530]  Facebook merit badge.
[21:55.650 --> 21:56.990]  That's a contradiction in terms.
[21:59.230 --> 21:59.950]  All right.
[22:00.750 --> 22:03.030]  I will go as long as you guys want.
[22:03.170 --> 22:06.390]  Don't feel embarrassed about being a non-hacker and going to bed.
[22:07.810 --> 22:08.490]  What's up?
[22:12.570 --> 22:14.390]  You hit a tax question.
[22:14.550 --> 22:14.810]  Yes.
[22:15.190 --> 22:16.450]  So I have a tax question.
[22:19.790 --> 22:21.610]  And don't boo me out of the room.
[22:21.710 --> 22:22.170]  No, no, no, no.
[22:22.170 --> 22:26.070]  But there's this guy on the radio where I live and he's syndicated.
[22:26.230 --> 22:26.870]  Where do you live?
[22:27.210 --> 22:28.030]  I live in Atlanta.
[22:28.610 --> 22:29.930]  Named Neil Bortz.
[22:30.830 --> 22:36.110]  Who's dead set on this fair tax thing, which I see several flaws in.
[22:37.830 --> 22:40.290]  But have you read up on this?
[22:40.750 --> 22:41.010]  No.
[22:41.050 --> 22:43.970]  And I'm not smart enough to make tax policy.
[22:44.130 --> 22:45.570]  I just know when we're being screwed.
[22:45.790 --> 22:53.490]  Well, basically the idea is that you go to a flat tax on a flat national sales tax like a VAT and no corporate tax.
[22:53.490 --> 22:56.170]  And I just don't see how in the world it adds up, A.
[22:56.790 --> 22:59.650]  And B, okay, so you got money in the bank.
[22:59.810 --> 23:01.390]  Well, now I get double taxed again.
[23:01.630 --> 23:02.250]  I just...
[23:03.250 --> 23:09.250]  I can't see how we can ever change the tax system that we've set up.
[23:09.330 --> 23:10.290]  Because it's the...
[23:10.290 --> 23:10.930]  What is it?
[23:11.170 --> 23:11.950]  The first...
[23:11.950 --> 23:14.770]  Isn't it the first or second largest federal employer?
[23:14.770 --> 23:20.810]  I mean, if you change the IRS, you create a mass unemployment problem.
[23:21.050 --> 23:25.670]  Well, if you change the IRS, you eliminate a mass privacy issue, too.
[23:27.610 --> 23:37.110]  And, you know, the bottom line here, and this is a good opportunity to kind of talk about capitalism and then segue into how we organize the world.
[23:40.430 --> 23:43.950]  Capitalism was originally intended to be in the public service.
[23:43.950 --> 23:51.330]  And Howard Bloom has written a very nice, very nice book on the genius of the beast.
[23:51.630 --> 23:53.910]  And it's about the reinvention of capitalism.
[23:54.490 --> 23:58.150]  And I recommend it highly.
[24:01.270 --> 24:02.210]  Let's see.
[24:02.470 --> 24:02.750]  Bloom.
[24:03.110 --> 24:03.870]  Where are you, Bloom?
[24:09.190 --> 24:10.190]  Here you go.
[24:14.110 --> 24:15.590]  I won't explode this.
[24:15.710 --> 24:16.510]  It's too complicated.
[24:16.510 --> 24:19.410]  But basically, all of my reviews are easily available here.
[24:19.510 --> 24:23.130]  I'll tell you what you can do for me is hack Amazon and the voting system.
[24:23.310 --> 24:28.670]  Because they're pandering to the new people who are pissed off that guys like me have been doing this since the year 2000.
[24:30.510 --> 24:34.190]  And so they're now counting negative votes and they're deleting old reviews.
[24:35.690 --> 24:46.770]  So if you like my reviews, you can click here and that takes you to Amazon where you can, if you wish, vote for the review.
[24:47.150 --> 24:49.730]  Or against the review as you please.
[24:49.970 --> 24:51.030]  You can also do a comment.
[24:51.150 --> 24:55.110]  I check comments daily and I engage in dialogue on Amazon.
[24:55.110 --> 25:01.250]  But Howard's book, a guy named Hart has written a book called Capitalism at the Crossroads.
[25:01.950 --> 25:04.430]  Yanis just wrote a book about social business.
[25:06.490 --> 25:09.710]  Essentially, capitalism right now is very badly organized.
[25:09.990 --> 25:13.210]  And financial capitalism shouldn't be allowed at all.
[25:14.030 --> 25:17.570]  Because basically, we've allowed Wall Street to create fraud.
[25:17.730 --> 25:21.550]  Just like Marie Strong is creating fraud with the carbon thing.
[25:21.870 --> 25:25.690]  That's nothing more than a subprime mortgage for the earth.
[25:26.210 --> 25:26.810]  Okay?
[25:28.050 --> 25:29.250]  Yeah, it is.
[25:29.330 --> 25:29.710]  It is.
[25:29.790 --> 25:30.230]  Absolutely.
[25:33.030 --> 25:37.190]  So, I think we need to rethink capitalism.
[25:37.190 --> 25:41.230]  I personally think that this whole idea of asset accumulation is wrong.
[25:41.230 --> 25:47.070]  And that the indigenous peoples had it right when they understood that Mother Earth was for us to steward.
[25:47.510 --> 25:55.410]  And I'll recommend to you a book called 1491, which is about everything that the Mayans and the Aztecs knew before Christopher Columbus.
[25:55.690 --> 25:59.310]  They had 25,000 miles of paved road.
[25:59.630 --> 26:04.750]  They were doing deep root farming in the Amazon that did not disturb the Amazon.
[26:05.070 --> 26:06.870]  They kept the water clean.
[26:06.870 --> 26:20.010]  And similarly, I mean, in Peru and other places where they've nationalized water and where they're talking about pricing water and stuff, the companies are complaining because the indigenous people have learned how to do agriculture with drip irrigation.
[26:20.670 --> 26:22.350]  They're not using enough water.
[26:23.290 --> 26:25.110]  Well, that's the wrong paradigm.
[26:25.910 --> 26:33.350]  So, we really need to regroup and grasp indigenous knowledge and integrate indigenous knowledge.
[26:33.570 --> 26:36.110]  We need to take the profit out of waste.
[26:37.090 --> 26:44.410]  I mean, PricewaterhouseCoopers did a great study on healthcare and demonstrated that 50% of every healthcare dollar is waste.
[26:44.410 --> 26:55.790]  And the reason that persists is because we're in a cost plus system where the profit is based on the totality of the expenditures and there is no incentive for eliminating waste.
[26:56.350 --> 26:58.910]  So, this is a very, very interesting thing.
[26:59.070 --> 27:02.290]  And capitalism and nation statehood go together.
[27:03.290 --> 27:07.930]  MacCyver on the origin or the function of the state is still very worthwhile reading.
[27:08.190 --> 27:13.330]  And one of my master's papers on the origin and failure of the state is also worth reading.
[27:13.470 --> 27:15.810]  It's on Phi Beta Iota under my early papers.
[27:17.030 --> 27:25.170]  The state is supposed to do the things that are not worth doing for corporations but are essential services of common concern.
[27:25.710 --> 27:28.650]  That does not include 90% of what the U.S. government does or does not do.
[27:31.250 --> 27:34.870]  So, I do believe in sharply shrinking the government.
[27:35.090 --> 27:43.680]  I also believe in this concept that the government should not be spending money that is not approved by the public or by the congressional representatives.
[27:44.150 --> 27:46.610]  And we've completely lost touch with that.
[27:46.770 --> 27:48.930]  I mean, we kind of send the money and throw it away.
[27:50.210 --> 27:57.670]  So, going to the nation state now, we totally hose Latin America and Africa by creating artificial boundaries.
[27:57.670 --> 28:04.230]  There's a wonderful book by Philip Allett out of Cambridge called The Health of Nations.
[28:04.530 --> 28:13.470]  And what he talks about is how these artificial boundaries totally hosed indigenous arrangements, tribal arrangements that have been developed over centuries.
[28:13.810 --> 28:17.050]  And so, we actually created the seeds for conflict.
[28:17.350 --> 28:20.030]  We created the seeds for tribal wars.
[28:20.970 --> 28:26.010]  And we have also, more often than not, empowered minorities.
[28:26.750 --> 28:37.530]  Because the colonialism period tended to pick one of the groups and elevate them to become the black Englishmen, if you will.
[28:37.770 --> 28:45.190]  And so, these minorities then became profiteers using government power to repress the majorities.
[28:45.190 --> 28:53.030]  I mean, if you look at Iraq, it was the minority Sunnis as officers and the Shiites as enlisted guys.
[28:53.310 --> 29:06.970]  And I mean, I had here, two or four years ago, some passionate guy from Saudi Arabia talking about how government examinations basically require Shiites to say that Shiites are pieces of shit who should never be hired.
[29:06.970 --> 29:09.450]  And only Sunnis are really true Muslims.
[29:10.310 --> 29:10.530]  And only Sunnis are really true Muslims.
[29:10.950 --> 29:12.210]  Rwanda is the same thing.
[29:12.270 --> 29:12.470]  Yeah.
[29:12.710 --> 29:14.170]  Rwanda is the same thing, he says.
[29:14.330 --> 29:16.850]  So, what we have here is a real conflict.
[29:17.270 --> 29:21.430]  And I personally believe that diversity is very important.
[29:22.170 --> 29:27.050]  We have destroyed over 2,000 languages in the last 40 or 50 years.
[29:28.070 --> 29:30.810]  We have 5,000 secessionist movements.
[29:30.810 --> 29:33.910]  And if I were God, I would encourage every single one of them.
[29:34.650 --> 29:40.650]  Because the reality is we don't need foreign ministries and all these government bureaucracies and so forth.
[29:41.150 --> 29:45.650]  Most of life should come down to being really, really prosperous at the local level.
[29:45.810 --> 29:46.830]  And self-sufficient.
[29:49.230 --> 29:49.850]  Yes, sir.
[29:50.070 --> 29:52.270]  I just want to pick up on the secessionist comment.
[29:52.450 --> 29:53.910]  What do you think of the Greek economy?
[29:54.050 --> 29:57.110]  And is there any chance that Germany is going to try to get out of the EU?
[29:58.690 --> 30:08.490]  I think that the Greeks were really screwed by Goldman Sachs, which committed a major crime, as it has with other countries.
[30:10.250 --> 30:13.390]  I mean, those guys are lucky they're not being hunted down and killed.
[30:14.910 --> 30:17.870]  Because they have really hosed the global economy.
[30:18.990 --> 30:22.310]  I think Germany should get out of the European Union.
[30:23.230 --> 30:25.790]  The European Union, let me rephrase that.
[30:27.030 --> 30:30.750]  The European Union has been an interesting success.
[30:31.130 --> 30:34.130]  But at the same time, it has destroyed diversity.
[30:34.450 --> 30:39.930]  And I'm not an economist, but Chuck Spinney publishes a lot of stuff from economists on my website.
[30:40.230 --> 30:43.110]  Not my website, but the public intelligence blog.
[30:43.110 --> 30:57.870]  So I'd recommend you've got an option here to select all of the stuff by Spinney.
[30:59.050 --> 30:59.990]  Here you go.
[31:00.130 --> 31:02.210]  Headline Spinney, 67.
[31:02.810 --> 31:04.910]  And there's a lot of economic stuff in there.
[31:05.510 --> 31:11.450]  But he was featured on Time Magazine in the 1980s as the first defense whistleblower of note.
[31:11.590 --> 31:13.150]  And nothing has changed since then.
[31:14.630 --> 31:17.150]  So we've got a real problem.
[31:17.930 --> 31:19.750]  I think diversity matters.
[31:19.890 --> 31:21.530]  I think national economies matter.
[31:21.770 --> 31:29.070]  I think national monetary systems are part of controlling your own fate and establishing valuations for yourself.
[31:30.010 --> 31:34.450]  So I'm not an economist, but I've learned not to trust economists.
[31:35.270 --> 31:36.390]  Yes, ma'am, sir?
[31:37.230 --> 31:37.670]  Darkness.
[31:38.150 --> 31:38.650]  I'm a ma'am.
[31:38.810 --> 31:39.210]  Okay.
[31:39.610 --> 31:39.870]  Thank you.
[31:40.630 --> 31:54.610]  I hope this makes sense, but I was wondering if you could have your thoughts on special education, the over-medication, under-education of students labeled as disabled, and when we could engage them if we taught them to value deep rather than surface learning,
[31:54.870 --> 31:59.810]  but do not because schools are teaching to do the tests out of fear of losing resources.
[32:00.590 --> 32:02.070]  Well, I agree.
[32:02.070 --> 32:06.110]  And I admire the people who go into special education.
[32:06.270 --> 32:09.490]  I kind of have...it's like a three-part answer.
[32:09.630 --> 32:24.230]  Number one, we really ought to do a better job of not having retarded children and of not having children that are basically caused by severe problems in our whole lifestyle, medical process, the whole nine yards.
[32:25.090 --> 32:27.830]  So we're creating this problem.
[32:27.990 --> 32:28.930]  That's number one.
[32:29.990 --> 32:32.170]  Number two, I believe in euthanasia.
[32:33.470 --> 32:47.510]  And I think that there has to be a reasonable process for giving people choices between not being burdened with a child that they don't feel emotionally capable of handling having that child go to a more nurturing environment.
[32:48.690 --> 32:52.550]  And certainly, I believe in assisted suicide or assisted passing.
[32:53.690 --> 33:02.230]  By the way, Al Pacino does a hell of a job in the DVD on Dr. Death or whatever it's called.
[33:03.190 --> 33:03.870]  What's it?
[33:03.970 --> 33:04.870]  You don't know Jack.
[33:05.050 --> 33:06.010]  You don't know Jack.
[33:06.030 --> 33:07.030]  You're absolutely right.
[33:07.510 --> 33:09.190]  Yeah, it is very good.
[33:09.190 --> 33:14.810]  And one of the things that impressed me most is that Dr. Kevorkian turned away 90% of the people that sought his assistance.
[33:16.290 --> 33:22.930]  Pacino really does a wonderful, wonderful job of portraying this doctor in a very responsible way.
[33:23.810 --> 33:26.690]  And finally, diversity really does matter.
[33:27.090 --> 33:28.950]  And, I mean, look at Stephen Hawking.
[33:29.730 --> 33:32.630]  He's the poster child for not killing the retarded.
[33:32.630 --> 33:36.510]  Because the retarded are often brilliant at something.
[33:37.470 --> 33:38.410]  And so, I really...
[33:38.410 --> 33:42.370]  I put diversity into the subtitle of my new book with great deliberation.
[33:43.470 --> 33:45.850]  And so, I hope that kind of answers your question.
[33:47.490 --> 33:48.510]  Are we done?
[33:49.190 --> 33:49.770]  No.
[33:50.250 --> 33:50.650]  All right.
[33:51.150 --> 33:52.850]  I'm ready for any questions.
[33:53.010 --> 33:53.790]  Oh, dwarfs.
[33:54.550 --> 33:58.850]  I think dwarfs have a legitimate right to be thrown for money.
[34:04.480 --> 34:06.600]  Whatever you can lift and throw.
[34:08.420 --> 34:12.200]  How is open source intelligence and WikiLeaks different?
[34:12.980 --> 34:14.180]  Or the same?
[34:14.340 --> 34:15.960]  What is open source intelligence and...
[34:16.560 --> 34:17.200]  WikiLeaks.
[34:17.740 --> 34:17.820]  Oh.
[34:18.240 --> 34:19.800]  Or compare and contrast.
[34:20.540 --> 34:20.900]  Sure.
[34:21.860 --> 34:23.960]  WikiLeaks is mindless pee.
[34:24.720 --> 34:27.400]  Open source intelligence pees with design.
[34:33.090 --> 34:33.730]  Okay.
[34:33.830 --> 34:35.030]  I have a question regarding...
[34:35.030 --> 34:36.790]  I mean, I can do more on open source intelligence.
[34:36.790 --> 34:38.050]  I don't mean to demean it.
[34:38.150 --> 34:39.950]  I've just spent the last 21 years doing it.
[34:40.950 --> 34:41.610]  Yes, sir.
[34:41.810 --> 34:42.950]  Regarding green technology.
[34:43.510 --> 34:44.790]  As far as I see it, a lot of companies...
[34:45.530 --> 34:51.230]  A lot of countries around the world are all acknowledging that, you know, global warming is happening.
[34:51.910 --> 34:52.610]  There's still...
[34:52.610 --> 34:53.610]  The debate is still raging.
[34:53.770 --> 34:55.750]  But I think the general scientific community is starting to weigh in.
[34:56.570 --> 34:57.050]  Yes.
[34:57.270 --> 34:59.030]  But let me interrupt and you'll continue.
[34:59.390 --> 35:04.650]  Number one, environmental degradation is threat number three.
[35:05.390 --> 35:07.110]  From the high-level threat panel.
[35:07.670 --> 35:10.290]  Global warming is largely a fraud.
[35:10.690 --> 35:16.370]  Being funded by Maurice Strong so he can do carbon credits and Al Gore can double his hundred million.
[35:17.390 --> 35:17.490]  Okay.
[35:17.490 --> 35:22.750]  So global warming is actually a fraud, in my opinion.
[35:22.970 --> 35:25.530]  And it's certainly something that should be taken seriously.
[35:25.790 --> 35:26.610]  But I'll tell you something.
[35:26.830 --> 35:33.650]  Sulfur and mercury are vastly more important than carbon in terms of what we're doing to the environment overall.
[35:33.830 --> 35:34.070]  Okay.
[35:34.070 --> 35:37.910]  So this is shitty science, shitty politics, and really filthy money.
[35:38.230 --> 35:39.230]  Go on from there.
[35:39.510 --> 35:42.690]  That's actually completely irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
[35:42.750 --> 35:51.410]  The point I was trying to make was that a lot of these countries want to raise the floor on various emission levels that you cannot put in.
[35:51.410 --> 35:55.910]  The capital emission levels pretty much saying you can't... lowering the emission levels, I guess.
[35:56.290 --> 36:01.190]  So saying that you can't emit less as much and then raising the restrictions.
[36:02.030 --> 36:05.430]  But they end up in a prisoner's dilemma kind of thing where they even start doing misinformation.
[36:05.730 --> 36:18.750]  Because if France, for example, raises the bar on restrictions on what they can emit, a lot of their businesses can just jump ship to the next neighboring country in Europe, unless all the countries at the same time raise their level somewhat.
[36:20.250 --> 36:22.430]  You know, one of the things that troubles me...
[36:22.430 --> 36:26.150]  I mean, first off, biomimicry is a huge answer here.
[36:26.410 --> 36:28.730]  And I love the Bioneers Conference.
[36:29.670 --> 36:31.270]  It takes place once a year.
[36:32.190 --> 36:38.570]  We now know that bacteria is an energy solution as well as an anti-pollution solution.
[36:39.350 --> 36:41.970]  We're learning huge things about amoeba.
[36:42.610 --> 36:45.990]  And basically, we've been ignoring for 50 years.
[36:46.410 --> 36:50.590]  We have been basically sleepwalking while we destroyed the earth.
[36:51.270 --> 37:01.830]  There's, number one, no reasonable way to demand of China and Brazil and Indonesia that they reduce their carbon emissions.
[37:01.830 --> 37:04.010]  I would say, f*ck you.
[37:04.610 --> 37:06.250]  Just like they have said.
[37:06.410 --> 37:07.590]  Okay, now, number one.
[37:07.590 --> 37:09.210]  Are they gonna say f*ck you though?
[37:09.350 --> 37:10.330]  Oh, they already have.
[37:10.890 --> 37:12.030]  Yeah, they already have.
[37:12.170 --> 37:13.510]  And they have every right to do so.
[37:13.650 --> 37:29.070]  However, as I try to stress in my various briefings, the whole point of civilization is to pass on lessons to others so that they don't pay the price you've paid to learn those lessons.
[37:29.070 --> 37:38.970]  And I got that from Will Durant, whose 1916 graduate thesis is now available as philosophy and the social problem.
[37:39.350 --> 37:40.790]  It's utterly brilliant.
[37:40.790 --> 37:43.110]  And I've reviewed it if you want the cliff notes.
[37:44.190 --> 37:50.690]  And so I think, really, we should be focusing on doing holistic strategic analytics.
[37:50.930 --> 37:56.450]  We should be eliminating advertising as a tax deduction.
[37:56.770 --> 38:07.430]  We should be eliminating all this plastic crap that sells for $5 but costs $100 to create in oil and emissions and chlorine.
[38:07.430 --> 38:13.190]  I mean, Pandora's Poison is a wonderful book on our chlorine-based life.
[38:14.330 --> 38:27.150]  And so I think rather than telling them to reduce their emissions, particularly since they've got billions of people more than we do, I think we should really be thinking strategically about how do we help them avoid our mistakes?
[38:27.530 --> 38:33.590]  How do we create living, sustainable communities?
[38:33.790 --> 38:36.570]  I think sustainable design has come a long way.
[38:37.170 --> 38:39.670]  Cradle to cradle, all of this stuff.
[38:40.090 --> 38:45.230]  The long and the short of it is the only thing we have to offer them we're not offering.
[38:45.730 --> 38:47.970]  And that is reasonable alternatives.
[38:48.710 --> 39:00.610]  So I think it's time we start spending a lot of money and a lot of time on reasonable alternatives, starting with biomimicry and starting with eliminating all that crap that we shouldn't be making in the first place.
[39:02.810 --> 39:03.930]  That's the best I can do.
[39:04.310 --> 39:04.770]  Yes, sir.
[39:05.230 --> 39:10.170]  Hi, I'd like to ask you about the Twilight Zone of the U.S. government.
[39:11.050 --> 39:13.910]  You know, what can you tell us about the MKULTRA?
[39:16.250 --> 39:20.250]  What was MKULTRA the LSD test?
[39:20.570 --> 39:20.990]  Yes.
[39:21.890 --> 39:22.870]  It happened.
[39:23.570 --> 39:33.410]  I mean, you know, you've got to understand that there's this mentality, and frankly, you really have to understand that there are too many Nazis that helped create CIA.
[39:35.270 --> 39:38.470]  And that whole attitude is pervasive.
[39:38.490 --> 39:45.210]  And when I told Mike Hayden he was absolutely wrong to go into rendition and torture, of course he ignored me.
[39:45.450 --> 39:47.870]  But the fact is, he was wrong.
[39:49.230 --> 39:58.750]  Rendition and torture are terrible evils, and Abu Ghraib is the poster child for why you don't want to go in directions like that.
[39:58.750 --> 40:08.310]  Because this stuff inevitably comes out, it inevitably comes out that we've killed an Italian waiter instead of, you know, whoever it is we were looking for.
[40:08.550 --> 40:13.010]  And there are so many books on the imprecision and ineffectiveness of national intelligence.
[40:13.010 --> 40:17.730]  I just won't go there.
[40:17.850 --> 40:19.670]  Now I've lost my train of thought again, dammit.
[40:21.090 --> 40:21.530]  Midgets.
[40:21.870 --> 40:22.150]  Nazis.
[40:22.470 --> 40:23.450]  No, no, no, no.
[40:24.110 --> 40:24.990]  Midget Nazis.
[40:25.370 --> 40:26.210]  Oh, oh, Nazis.
[40:26.770 --> 40:28.530]  Let me tell you about acoustic kitty.
[40:29.450 --> 40:32.530]  I mean, CIA put a video camera in a kitty cat.
[40:32.530 --> 40:40.490]  And they took it out for a test drive, and it saw another kitty cat in heat, ran across the street, and got run over.
[40:42.110 --> 40:42.550]  Okay?
[40:42.830 --> 40:44.830]  I mean, you know, we do lots of cool stuff.
[40:45.010 --> 40:53.830]  But the problem, the absolute fundamental problem in national intelligence is that we have substituted technology for thinking.
[40:54.450 --> 40:54.890]  Okay?
[40:55.010 --> 40:57.750]  And that's been one of my sound bites for a long, long time.
[40:58.350 --> 41:00.090]  I'm going to beg your indulgence.
[41:00.370 --> 41:02.310]  I have got to go to the bathroom.
[41:03.790 --> 41:07.110]  I mean, it's the price I pay for this stuff, but now I'm awake.
[41:07.250 --> 41:11.410]  So I will come back highly charged, and we'll go with you and then with you, sir.
[41:11.890 --> 41:12.210]  All right?
[41:15.560 --> 41:16.120]  All right.
[41:16.660 --> 41:20.140]  I'm deeply, deeply honored by you guys, but you really have to get a life.
[41:21.840 --> 41:22.800]  But thank you.
[41:23.340 --> 41:23.740]  Sir.
[41:24.000 --> 41:24.720]  Use coffee, though.
[41:25.480 --> 41:25.880]  What?
[41:26.440 --> 41:29.110]  Say, use coffee.
[41:30.110 --> 41:31.490]  I have a life.
[41:33.870 --> 41:34.870]  What is that?
[41:37.650 --> 41:38.490]  Oh, yeah.
[41:39.190 --> 41:40.890]  You don't need to computer for this question.
[41:41.110 --> 41:46.830]  You know, I think this conference really needs a serious upgrade in technical reliability.
[41:48.730 --> 41:49.950]  Across the board.
[41:50.430 --> 41:51.250]  Yes, sir.
[41:51.810 --> 41:52.690]  Simple question.
[41:52.950 --> 41:53.850]  Simple question.
[41:54.130 --> 41:56.150]  Dick Cheney and cross-dressing.
[41:56.350 --> 41:57.130]  True or false?
[42:00.770 --> 42:11.130]  No, you know, I have to tell you that I believe that my source is the single most incredible bisexual in our world.
[42:11.790 --> 42:17.870]  And that when he says Dick Cheney is a cross-dresser, I have to believe it.
[42:18.610 --> 42:19.970]  I don't buy that.
[42:21.030 --> 42:22.530]  Another simple question.
[42:22.710 --> 42:24.910]  Hillary Clinton and Vince Foster, true or false?
[42:30.010 --> 42:33.070]  You know, there may be occasions when she lowers her standards.
[42:37.840 --> 42:38.540]  All right.
[42:38.800 --> 42:39.680]  In the back there.
[42:39.880 --> 42:40.140]  Please.
[42:40.480 --> 42:41.960]  Remember that I can't see.
[42:41.960 --> 42:42.500]  Sure.
[42:43.020 --> 42:46.960]  Why do we see a change in tactics for the intelligence?
[42:48.400 --> 42:52.760]  The intelligence community basically, and most specifically the Israeli Mossad.
[42:53.780 --> 42:58.240]  The last operation in Dubai was carried out in broad daylight.
[42:58.580 --> 43:00.080]  People smiling into cameras.
[43:00.820 --> 43:09.320]  Recently the flotilla actually attack on the ship, on the volunteers, was also in broad daylight.
[43:09.320 --> 43:10.760]  Everybody was watching.
[43:11.400 --> 43:12.520]  And had the new cameras.
[43:12.840 --> 43:13.420]  Exactly.
[43:13.820 --> 43:16.820]  And so why is that happening?
[43:16.820 --> 43:17.940]  And what's the...
[43:17.940 --> 43:25.220]  Is there any purpose for having these operations done, you know, in front of the whole world?
[43:25.400 --> 43:34.860]  Well, we have some distinguished neurosurgeons and psychoanalytic personalities here in the audience who could help us with that.
[43:34.860 --> 43:40.000]  And so I invite them to come forward if they want to comment, but I'll give you my take on it.
[43:40.880 --> 43:42.540]  Israel has become the Nazis.
[43:44.060 --> 43:45.620]  And they've lost their mind.
[43:46.940 --> 43:50.780]  And the United States government is following them right up that trail.
[43:50.780 --> 44:02.860]  The idea of building Palestinian ghettos after Gandhi said that Palestine is to the Palestinians as France is to France is just, to me, incomprehensible.
[44:03.680 --> 44:06.320]  And it is genocide on a massive scale.
[44:07.760 --> 44:12.940]  And I personally, I'm very upset that the U.S. taxpayer pays 20% of the Israeli budget.
[44:16.200 --> 44:26.600]  And I'm also personally upset that we're giving tens and hundreds of billions of dollars in military assistance to the Arabs who haven't done jack shit for the Palestinians.
[44:26.600 --> 44:31.600]  And so I think it's time we actually have an intelligence-driven foreign policy.
[44:32.900 --> 44:33.700]  Why is that?
[44:33.800 --> 44:36.850]  Why haven't they done that?
[44:37.170 --> 44:40.430]  Well, the Arabs are sleazebags in their own way, okay?
[44:40.690 --> 44:44.110]  And I'm really talking about the dictators, not the bottom-up people.
[44:46.290 --> 44:49.090]  Why haven't the Arabs done anything for the Palestinians?
[44:49.090 --> 44:54.270]  I believe that the Arabs are racists and that the Palestinians are their black people.
[44:55.730 --> 44:58.850]  And they really, really treat them like shit.
[44:58.930 --> 45:01.270]  And yet they're God's people just as much as the Israelis.
[45:02.710 --> 45:05.970]  So I think we really need to look seriously at Palestine.
[45:06.330 --> 45:11.970]  I've also noticed one of the books that I reviewed, which I was stuck in Dallas.
[45:12.130 --> 45:15.290]  I had finished my serious book, so I had to buy two books in Dallas.
[45:15.290 --> 45:19.650]  And let's see what I ended up with.
[45:20.550 --> 45:22.150]  Oh, let's just go home.
[45:23.630 --> 45:25.330]  This is a really cool book.
[45:25.490 --> 45:31.270]  And it shows maps of the biblical areas.
[45:32.890 --> 45:34.490]  Let's get down a little bit.
[45:36.410 --> 45:46.590]  You know, Jay-Z, who's out there selling books, has really done some tremendous posts and really enhanced the entire website.
[45:47.750 --> 45:52.210]  Okay, this is the YAMOS book, which I really recommend you take a good look at.
[45:54.450 --> 45:58.050]  Here's Peggy Holman's new book, Engaging Emergence.
[45:59.590 --> 46:01.800]  Citizen Call Centers, Open 311.
[46:01.800 --> 46:05.740]  I mean, there's so much we can do if we get our...
[46:05.740 --> 46:10.280]  First off, get our cell phones and call centers done, get volunteers harnessed.
[46:10.460 --> 46:16.700]  Here's a really good guest review of a book on bureaucracy, which talks about different things.
[46:16.700 --> 46:19.980]  And I recommend it completely.
[46:19.980 --> 46:21.160]  All right, let me get down.
[46:21.360 --> 46:35.040]  Because one of the things that really impresses me is that the Palestinians have controlled the sea for the lower southern half of the Israeli coastline since time immemorial.
[46:35.920 --> 46:41.980]  And Gaza is actually a containment of what has been a historical Palestinian...
[46:42.720 --> 46:45.900]  I'm sorry, there's just so much stuff that gets loaded on this website.
[46:46.140 --> 46:55.720]  You really have to almost navigate it or visit it daily if you want to keep up, which I'm not trying to impose that on you, but...
[46:57.400 --> 46:59.640]  Okay, Gross National Happiness, very cool.
[46:59.880 --> 47:02.460]  By the way, if you do a search on my product, check your spelling.
[47:03.780 --> 47:06.340]  Because it's amazing what people...
[47:07.300 --> 47:09.260]  Oh, shit, I corrected his spelling.
[47:09.260 --> 47:12.220]  He had gross notional happiness or something like that.
[47:15.040 --> 47:15.500]  Okay...
[47:19.060 --> 47:20.240]  Okay, Burning Man.
[47:20.540 --> 47:21.900]  How many people are going to Burning Man?
[47:23.460 --> 47:27.480]  Yeah, I wish too, but I'm planning to pop down 300 bucks and do it.
[47:27.720 --> 47:29.580]  Hey, this is Dr. Dr. Dave Warner.
[47:29.780 --> 47:31.520]  You definitely want to get to know him.
[47:31.900 --> 47:34.820]  This guy makes you guys look like chicken chits.
[47:35.400 --> 47:37.380]  Okay, he is really good.
[47:38.020 --> 47:39.060]  He's not a hacker.
[47:39.400 --> 47:42.560]  He's a neurosurgeon who understands information technology.
[47:42.760 --> 47:44.360]  And that's a very dangerous combination.
[47:46.220 --> 47:47.900]  Okay, we're getting close, I think.
[47:48.100 --> 47:49.880]  I forget how much stuff we put up.
[47:52.300 --> 47:53.060]  Night watch.
[47:54.520 --> 47:56.080]  Oh, this is my new monograph.
[47:57.040 --> 47:58.980]  This is the guy accused of the leak.
[47:59.840 --> 48:00.740]  Afghan from below.
[48:00.740 --> 48:03.080]  Oh, this is Lee Felsenstein who invented the PC.
[48:04.640 --> 48:07.680]  He's a member of hackers in Silicon Valley.
[48:08.600 --> 48:10.380]  Damn it, I'm sorry, I've lost it.
[48:10.480 --> 48:14.140]  But anyway, this book on biblical maps shows...
[48:14.140 --> 48:17.180]  Basically, what we need, I think, is a two-state solution.
[48:18.060 --> 48:20.480]  And also, the Israelis are delusional.
[48:20.860 --> 48:24.400]  I mean, they are going into minority status here big time.
[48:24.720 --> 48:29.600]  And I think the days of Russians pretending to be jews to get out of Russia are over.
[48:31.660 --> 48:34.140]  So, there's this real issue here.
[48:34.320 --> 48:35.660]  And I think they just...
[48:35.660 --> 48:38.800]  And also, by the way, the Middle East is all about water.
[48:39.080 --> 48:42.600]  And the Israelis have been stealing water from Arab aquifers.
[48:42.760 --> 48:45.300]  Their agriculture uses up 50% of the water.
[48:45.420 --> 48:47.760]  And it produces 4% of the GDP.
[48:48.200 --> 48:55.060]  Okay, and so they're really kind of sucking up water from multiple countries to pretend that they're making the desert green.
[48:55.500 --> 48:58.880]  Meanwhile, someone else has gone and turned the Dead Sea green.
[48:59.760 --> 49:01.720]  These people have gone into the Dead Sea.
[49:02.040 --> 49:06.880]  They have restored all of the ancient knowledge, which is why I focus so much on indigenous knowledge.
[49:07.260 --> 49:09.720]  They've restored the furrows.
[49:10.160 --> 49:15.020]  And they've managed to capture every single raindrop that falls over the course of a year.
[49:15.120 --> 49:18.520]  And they're now raising lemon trees and figs in the Dead Sea.
[49:19.820 --> 49:21.280]  That's what we should be doing.
[49:22.000 --> 49:22.460]  Okay?
[49:22.860 --> 49:25.280]  So, over here, and then we'll go back over there.
[49:25.680 --> 49:27.320]  And on that note, have you...
[49:27.320 --> 49:28.440]  Alright, this is your third time.
[49:28.440 --> 49:34.760]  So, I'm gonna really ask that this be the last time, because I love you being energetic, but I want to get some of those people in the back.
[49:34.880 --> 49:35.060]  Totally.
[49:35.380 --> 49:35.540]  Okay.
[49:35.680 --> 49:36.640]  Ringing Cedar series.
[49:36.820 --> 49:38.040]  Have you seen or read?
[49:38.220 --> 49:39.580]  If not, definitely check it out.
[49:39.820 --> 49:40.300]  What series?
[49:40.480 --> 49:41.900]  The Ringing Cedar series.
[49:42.280 --> 49:42.420]  No.
[49:42.720 --> 49:43.580]  It's a set of nine books.
[49:44.260 --> 49:45.660]  It covers a lot of topics.
[49:46.520 --> 49:47.780]  Solutions to a lot of what we just talked about.
[49:47.780 --> 49:48.400]  Yeah, I'm one man.
[49:49.680 --> 49:50.600]  So many books.
[49:51.040 --> 49:51.960]  So little time.
[49:51.960 --> 49:51.980]  Okay.
[49:52.620 --> 49:53.160]  Yeah.
[49:54.040 --> 49:55.460]  We're being blessed.
[49:58.540 --> 50:00.220]  I thought he was gonna moon me.
[50:00.420 --> 50:00.820]  Okay.
[50:00.940 --> 50:01.040]  Hi, Mom.
[50:02.180 --> 50:03.120]  Yes, Doctor.
[50:03.220 --> 50:03.420]  Doctor.
[50:03.740 --> 50:11.660]  I wanted to comment on what that person was commenting about, the reason why Arab governments are not helping the Palestinians.
[50:11.660 --> 50:13.840]  here's a really simple reason.
[50:14.060 --> 50:18.140]  They don't want to because helping the Palestinians is not in their best interest.
[50:18.460 --> 50:27.700]  They are using the issue of Palestine and the plight of the Palestinians to foment fragmentation among the Arab world.
[50:27.720 --> 50:29.520]  And it helps them stay in power.
[50:29.680 --> 50:37.880]  If they were to actually do something positive, if peace were to break out, God forbid, they would probably be overthrown within five years.
[50:38.280 --> 50:38.360]  Mmm.
[50:39.380 --> 50:39.860]  Thank you.
[50:40.140 --> 50:40.760]  I love it.
[50:40.760 --> 50:47.240]  And I just wanted to ask you, if you look at your friend up there as a human being, he's actually...
[50:47.240 --> 50:52.320]  That one person has actually suffered a stroke and he's drooling out the corner of his mouth.
[50:54.640 --> 50:55.560]  Which corner?
[51:02.000 --> 51:03.440]  Thank you very much.
[51:03.920 --> 51:04.360]  The corner of the pig.
[51:06.380 --> 51:07.420]  Kill the pig.
[51:07.760 --> 51:08.620]  Go vegan.
[51:09.520 --> 51:12.390]  Put the pig in office and kill him.
[51:13.070 --> 51:13.730]  What's that?
[51:14.010 --> 51:14.750]  No, kill now.
[51:14.790 --> 51:16.170]  Put the pig in office and kill him.
[51:16.170 --> 51:16.730]  No, you know.
[51:17.030 --> 51:17.530]  I'll tell you what.
[51:17.570 --> 51:21.110]  There's a wonderful book called The Average American.
[51:21.850 --> 51:27.230]  And this journalist spent two years going all over the United States looking for the average American.
[51:27.610 --> 51:32.890]  And a year and a half into the project, he thought he found the guy and he interviewed him and he told him about the project and stuff.
[51:32.890 --> 51:34.110]  And he was so impressed.
[51:34.230 --> 51:39.390]  He went away and he says, if this guy doesn't call me in the next six months, he's the average American.
[51:39.510 --> 51:40.270]  And the guy didn't.
[51:40.430 --> 51:40.890]  You know?
[51:41.070 --> 51:41.670]  I mean...
[51:41.670 --> 51:42.690]  No, no, no, no.
[51:42.770 --> 51:43.190]  No, no.
[51:43.230 --> 51:44.690]  He treats media the way I do.
[51:44.830 --> 51:47.050]  If they don't do their f*cking homework, I'm not going to talk to them.
[51:50.110 --> 51:55.590]  So, he goes back and this guy's grilling and he says, hey, you're the average American.
[51:55.870 --> 51:58.410]  And the guy says, wow, what an honor.
[51:58.410 --> 52:02.330]  I had goosebumps over that comment.
[52:02.650 --> 52:12.670]  Because the average American has got more integrity and more brains and more heart than anybody in Washington that is an elected or appointed official.
[52:13.070 --> 52:18.930]  And that's what's wrong with this country is the average Americans have lost touch with power.
[52:21.210 --> 52:21.810]  Gonzo?
[52:23.550 --> 52:25.970]  Yeah, Jesse Ventura will do fine.
[52:25.970 --> 52:32.890]  But the problem is none of these guys have broken out of this partisan concept.
[52:33.450 --> 52:33.970]  Okay?
[52:34.850 --> 52:41.750]  Loyalty to a partisan line is death for America.
[52:42.170 --> 52:42.590]  Okay?
[52:42.750 --> 52:43.090]  Sir?
[52:43.510 --> 52:50.350]  With all the problems in greed and corruption out there right now, in your opinion, which government or country do you think is on the right path?
[52:50.530 --> 52:52.090]  The Nordics, hands down.
[52:52.090 --> 52:54.950]  Followed by Iceland and the Netherlands and Singapore.
[52:55.690 --> 52:58.390]  Which is kind of gentle authoritarianism.
[52:58.750 --> 53:02.050]  By the way, in Singapore you can't be elected unless you first have an MBA.
[53:03.250 --> 53:04.110]  I'm serious.
[53:05.130 --> 53:06.790]  It depends how good the schools are.
[53:07.210 --> 53:07.970]  What's that?
[53:08.150 --> 53:09.950]  It depends how good the schools are.
[53:10.230 --> 53:13.190]  The Singapore schools are very good.
[53:13.190 --> 53:16.890]  And the people in Singapore do their homework.
[53:18.070 --> 53:24.550]  You know, I'm a little upset with my kids because it's kind of like the generational thing.
[53:26.930 --> 53:28.410]  I was very lucky.
[53:28.610 --> 53:38.090]  I had American schools overseas which are really just one step down from prep schools that really make you work, as opposed to prep schools that just prepare you for a gentleman's seat at Yale.
[53:40.650 --> 53:47.230]  And my boys have chosen to be hackers and to be very, very lazy about school work.
[53:47.690 --> 53:56.050]  And I think it's a real credit to my oldest son that he got into the Rochester Institute of Technology on the merit of what he learned outside of school.
[53:57.310 --> 54:00.630]  And so I obviously love him no matter what he does.
[54:00.790 --> 54:10.930]  But that's a huge, huge accomplishment that he did with me not being anywhere around as a decent father.
[54:11.090 --> 54:13.150]  So I'm just very pleased about that.
[54:14.070 --> 54:15.470]  You know, go on in the back, please.
[54:17.050 --> 54:19.870]  In Norway, there's a seed bank.
[54:20.110 --> 54:26.830]  I believe the Rockefellers, Monsanto, Arthur Daniels Midland and Gates Foundation is putting together.
[54:27.730 --> 54:29.790]  Of course, Vandana Shiva's against that.
[54:29.970 --> 54:35.350]  She says, you know, seeds are best stored in the earth, kind of bank where they can create more killer seeds.
[54:35.910 --> 54:40.950]  Do you believe that this is tied in with the eugenics movement?
[54:41.750 --> 54:43.730]  That's a very provocative question.
[54:46.290 --> 54:53.290]  Number one, my understanding of the seed bank was that it was actually trying to preserve original seeds, not mutant seeds.
[54:55.050 --> 55:06.410]  And I am absolutely opposed to anything that is essentially a regression in earth history.
[55:06.550 --> 55:08.650]  And that's what Monsanto is.
[55:13.810 --> 55:17.410]  I mean, they literally are setting us back thousands of years.
[55:18.510 --> 55:20.250]  And I think we should...
[55:20.250 --> 55:21.970]  Well, we should put them out of business.
[55:23.750 --> 55:24.270]  And...
[55:24.270 --> 55:24.410]  What?
[55:28.380 --> 55:29.820]  Well, I don't know.
[55:29.980 --> 55:33.740]  One of the things you could do is start shipping decent seed to India.
[55:33.740 --> 55:34.120]  India.
[55:34.360 --> 55:35.200]  I mean, I don't know.
[55:35.380 --> 55:42.380]  But I do believe that one billion rich people can bring five billion poor people up and bypass the corporations.
[55:42.760 --> 55:43.260]  Okay?
[55:43.360 --> 55:46.980]  And that's why at the end of my book, I have a global range of gifts table.
[55:47.200 --> 55:58.160]  And this is all about one-to-one giving, micro-giving, exact giving, precision giving, with no intermediaries other than those that volunteer to help with language, FedEx, whatever.
[55:58.360 --> 56:04.920]  How do you bypass out the gift of the game where it needs to go or stop the problem?
[56:05.140 --> 56:08.860]  Well, the question is, how do you bypass the parasites of the chain?
[56:09.260 --> 56:14.620]  And I think I had a slide that showed that.
[56:15.600 --> 56:16.700]  Has this frozen?
[56:19.420 --> 56:19.860]  Okay.
[56:20.240 --> 56:20.960]  Here we go.
[56:21.300 --> 56:22.380]  I mean, look at this.
[56:22.520 --> 56:24.480]  There are no parasites in this chain.
[56:25.840 --> 56:29.440]  Here in number one, this guy needs a new part.
[56:29.620 --> 56:31.220]  It's amazing how many...
[56:31.220 --> 56:31.920]  And the U.S. has really totally screwed up Iraq.
[56:33.680 --> 56:37.620]  I mean, a lot of the stuff they brought in was 1950s, 1960s trucks.
[56:38.000 --> 56:38.440]  Okay?
[56:38.580 --> 56:40.660]  Some of them needed a crank to turn.
[56:41.000 --> 56:45.340]  But this guy needs a new part for a 1950s Romanian water pump.
[56:45.340 --> 56:51.560]  So this person, a passing tourist, texts the need into a database.
[56:51.980 --> 56:52.200]  Okay?
[56:52.400 --> 56:55.540]  UNICEF is doing some remarkable things with SMS.
[56:56.000 --> 56:57.460]  They call it rapid SMS.
[56:57.780 --> 57:02.900]  And rapid SMS can fill a web back office, which can then visualize the information.
[57:03.100 --> 57:03.360]  Okay?
[57:03.780 --> 57:05.540]  So that goes into a database.
[57:05.960 --> 57:13.340]  A Romanian with national pride says, hey, we no longer sell that part in Romania, but I can make it on the lathe in my garage.
[57:13.480 --> 57:15.320]  You know, most engineers have a lathe in their garage.
[57:15.320 --> 57:16.860]  At least the ones I know.
[57:18.220 --> 57:19.860]  And so he makes it.
[57:20.320 --> 57:22.700]  And then he says, but I can't pay the FedEx.
[57:22.840 --> 57:25.140]  And so a German comes in and says, hey, this is cool.
[57:25.260 --> 57:26.340]  I'll pay for the FedEx.
[57:26.580 --> 57:27.760]  And it goes down here.
[57:27.880 --> 57:30.840]  And then a Spanish tourist says, I'll deliver it and I'll post a picture.
[57:31.260 --> 57:33.640]  There are no parasites in this chain.
[57:34.400 --> 57:36.640]  It's one to one, zero resistance.
[57:37.340 --> 57:37.820]  Okay?
[57:39.620 --> 57:42.380]  And I was thinking of something else and I forget.
[57:44.900 --> 57:46.000]  I'm getting old.
[57:47.540 --> 57:48.320]  Alzheimer's or whatever.
[57:48.520 --> 57:50.900]  By the way, Alzheimer's they think is mad cow disease.
[57:51.120 --> 57:52.540]  It's been misdiagnosed.
[57:53.580 --> 57:55.540]  And have you seen where...
[57:56.120 --> 57:56.760]  What's this?
[57:56.880 --> 57:57.500]  What's this?
[57:58.900 --> 58:05.080]  There's a disease that they've just realized is actually something that's caused by blood that blocks the brain.
[58:05.360 --> 58:09.820]  And if you relieve the blood pressure on the brain, it's like MS or...
[58:09.820 --> 58:10.900]  Yeah.
[58:11.260 --> 58:13.020]  I mean, it's just amazing what we're learning.
[58:13.280 --> 58:19.600]  And a big part of the problem is medical schools have become bureaucracies and they've sold out to the pharmaceuticals.
[58:19.720 --> 58:21.460]  And so they've stopped learning.
[58:22.940 --> 58:25.580]  My doctor no longer reads medical journals.
[58:25.780 --> 58:35.460]  I was given shit to one of these publishers because they're publishing crap that's been written by pharmaceuticals and signed by someone who's been paid to sign the article.
[58:36.660 --> 58:38.220]  What can we do about pharmaceuticals?
[58:39.300 --> 58:40.500]  Stop doing drugs.
[58:42.420 --> 58:43.340]  Stop doing drugs.
[58:46.580 --> 58:54.220]  Well, you know, I got to tell you, I got to tell you, I have a real problem with...
[58:58.860 --> 59:07.400]  It seems like a day does not go by that the pharmaceutical industry doesn't invent a new disease, you know, like TCIP.
[59:07.400 --> 59:08.500]  You know?
[59:09.240 --> 59:09.820]  Or...
[59:10.500 --> 59:11.100]  Or...
[59:11.100 --> 59:11.440]  Or...
[59:11.440 --> 59:11.860]  Or...
[59:11.860 --> 59:12.080]  Or...
[59:12.080 --> 59:13.600]  Yeah, you know, or whatever.
[59:13.860 --> 59:16.660]  You're suffering from moron not taking enough drug syndrome.
[59:17.220 --> 59:17.800]  You know?
[59:18.180 --> 59:18.900]  I mean...
[59:18.900 --> 59:19.780]  It's crazy.
[59:21.960 --> 59:22.560]  It...
[59:22.560 --> 59:23.580]  Moronitis, yeah.
[59:24.100 --> 59:24.960]  No, no, no, no, no.
[59:25.060 --> 59:26.880]  It's not the moron that they're worried about.
[59:27.000 --> 59:28.620]  It's the fact that you're not taking enough drugs.
[59:29.200 --> 59:29.520]  Okay?
[59:29.940 --> 59:30.660]  It's the moronitis.
[59:30.820 --> 59:31.380]  You don't have enough drugs.
[59:31.640 --> 59:31.960]  Okay.
[59:32.180 --> 59:32.960]  Come on over here.
[59:33.140 --> 59:33.940]  And then we'll go back there.
[59:33.940 --> 59:35.500]  Well, you got a lot to say there.
[59:35.640 --> 59:39.620]  But I do a lot of biology, and I work with Adam.
[59:39.900 --> 59:44.780]  So, I mean, there's a lot of humor in this, but there is a lot of good medicine out there, a lot of good stuff there.
[59:44.980 --> 59:45.960]  And it's an education.
[59:46.120 --> 59:48.280]  It's information overload in medicine.
[59:48.480 --> 59:51.620]  Some of these things you're talking about, they've been suspected for many years.
[59:52.080 --> 59:56.660]  The cancer vaccines, it was 20, 30 years ago that they were starting suspect.
[59:56.660 --> 59:57.700]  But as the tools...
[59:58.240 --> 59:58.640]  I mean, IT.
[59:58.900 --> 01:00:00.760]  We use IT for computational biology.
[01:00:01.200 --> 01:00:02.760]  And we're coming across these.
[01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:05.800]  So, the stuff is happening, but there's information load in every area.
[01:00:06.580 --> 01:00:07.040]  It's basic...
[01:00:07.040 --> 01:00:07.420]  I mean...
[01:00:07.420 --> 01:00:08.600]  I respect what you're...
[01:00:08.600 --> 01:00:08.960]  I can go on and on.
[01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:09.720]  I'm a biologist.
[01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:10.160]  No, no, no.
[01:00:10.220 --> 01:00:15.540]  I respect what you're saying, but I also have seen too much documentation of patents being withheld.
[01:00:15.720 --> 01:00:16.960]  There's all sorts of stuff.
[01:00:17.180 --> 01:00:17.340]  Yeah.
[01:00:17.700 --> 01:00:19.860]  I work in actually looking for...
[01:00:19.860 --> 01:00:26.380]  I think what I would put to you is that we're probably halfway where we could be if we had integrity.
[01:00:26.780 --> 01:00:27.000]  Everywhere.
[01:00:27.240 --> 01:00:28.280]  Oh, that for sure.
[01:00:28.520 --> 01:00:28.700]  Everywhere.
[01:00:29.180 --> 01:00:29.300]  Okay.
[01:00:29.560 --> 01:00:32.560]  So, bottom line is let's get integrity back into the system.
[01:00:33.680 --> 01:00:36.280]  There's still an information overload.
[01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:39.820]  Yeah, but see, let's talk about information...
[01:00:39.820 --> 01:00:40.620]  Let's talk about in the IT.
[01:00:40.760 --> 01:00:42.880]  How many stupid people are out there that...
[01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:44.660]  I mean, we should be over this...
[01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:45.760]  What is it?
[01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:46.760]  Office of Automation.
[01:00:46.820 --> 01:00:48.400]  We did it 20, 30 years ago.
[01:00:48.640 --> 01:00:50.940]  Yeah, but we went in the wrong direction.
[01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:51.960]  Oh, clearly.
[01:00:51.980 --> 01:00:53.080]  And I'll tell you what.
[01:00:53.200 --> 01:00:55.240]  Bill Gates has been a cancer in many ways.
[01:00:56.060 --> 01:01:01.300]  Not least because he's been mutating APIs for the last 30 years just to set up tollboots.
[01:01:03.220 --> 01:01:05.480]  Well, the alternatives are coming in.
[01:01:05.600 --> 01:01:08.180]  I mean, we actually say Gimp instead of Photoshop.
[01:01:08.540 --> 01:01:10.120]  I mean, it's not going to have penetration yet.
[01:01:10.340 --> 01:01:10.760]  But whatever.
[01:01:11.080 --> 01:01:13.160]  It's, you know, things will change.
[01:01:13.860 --> 01:01:16.340]  It's not 100% Microsoft free.
[01:01:16.900 --> 01:01:18.560]  I mean, actually, some of these...
[01:01:18.980 --> 01:01:20.780]  These Linux installs bug me.
[01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:22.520]  Whatever happened to do a custom install?
[01:01:22.680 --> 01:01:25.580]  Whatever happened to seeing what's happening when the computer stops up?
[01:01:25.600 --> 01:01:29.280]  Hey, I want a goddamn black rotary phone that I can dial.
[01:01:29.780 --> 01:01:30.320]  You know?
[01:01:30.580 --> 01:01:31.500]  I mean, this is...
[01:01:31.860 --> 01:01:33.160]  This stuff should be idiot-proof.
[01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:34.000]  Can you guys see this?
[01:01:34.120 --> 01:01:35.100]  All right, let me try and do this.
[01:01:35.180 --> 01:01:35.520]  What is it?
[01:01:35.860 --> 01:01:36.220]  F5?
[01:01:36.900 --> 01:01:37.620]  Function F5?
[01:01:38.580 --> 01:01:40.820]  Just look for the little monitor picture.
[01:01:41.240 --> 01:01:42.640]  All laptops change.
[01:01:43.780 --> 01:01:45.320]  You found it.
[01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:46.240]  You found it.
[01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:48.180]  You found it.
[01:01:48.560 --> 01:01:50.520]  F11 for full screen...
[01:01:50.520 --> 01:01:53.760]  And then you want to hit control plus 11 of your control screen.
[01:01:54.720 --> 01:01:55.740]  What are you trying to do?
[01:01:56.720 --> 01:01:57.300]  There you go.
[01:01:57.360 --> 01:01:57.620]  Oh, yeah.
[01:01:57.820 --> 01:01:57.880]  Right.
[01:01:58.440 --> 01:01:59.000]  Is it?
[01:01:59.140 --> 01:01:59.860]  No, I'm not sure.
[01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:01.080]  Oh, the graphic.
[01:02:01.100 --> 01:02:03.740]  I'm sorry, I can't make the graphic the full screen.
[01:02:05.160 --> 01:02:06.120]  Control plus.
[01:02:06.460 --> 01:02:06.860]  All right.
[01:02:06.860 --> 01:02:09.600]  Control plus and just navigate the position.
[01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:10.940]  No, you switch screens again.
[01:02:11.900 --> 01:02:13.260]  Oh, can you see the drool?
[01:02:17.200 --> 01:02:21.520]  I'm afraid we can't make that into a big screen because it's just a JPEG.
[01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:27.080]  Control plus in the modern browsers enlarges the whole...
[01:02:27.080 --> 01:02:27.860]  Modern browsers.
[01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:33.480]  I just took my parents to Best Buy.
[01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:38.400]  And I felt I was like one evolutionary step behind them.
[01:02:39.860 --> 01:02:41.040]  Well, let me say...
[01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:42.300]  Yeah, this is just...
[01:02:42.300 --> 01:02:45.900]  Netscape, you can enlarge the font.
[01:02:46.060 --> 01:02:48.660]  Well, no, no, let me just go on from here.
[01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:53.380]  This was created by Dick Clavens and Brad Ashford.
[01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:55.860]  Dick is just an absolute genius.
[01:02:56.560 --> 01:03:02.340]  And he's got lifetime rights to the Institute of Scientific Information Citation Analysis Database.
[01:03:02.340 --> 01:03:05.060]  And he's created some remarkable stuff.
[01:03:05.220 --> 01:03:08.500]  But this is actually the web of knowledge.
[01:03:08.500 --> 01:03:10.280]  And this is the fragmentation.
[01:03:10.520 --> 01:03:16.040]  The sciences are up on top and the humanities are down below and social science is kind of out to lunch.
[01:03:17.980 --> 01:03:25.240]  But cognitive science and collective intelligence are the scientific and humanity side of bringing all of this back together.
[01:03:25.240 --> 01:03:30.740]  And coming back to your comment on technology, where we have failed is we haven't done the processing.
[01:03:31.460 --> 01:03:36.360]  The United States intelligence community processes less than 2% of what it collects.
[01:03:37.180 --> 01:03:37.400]  Okay?
[01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:45.040]  I mean, NSA's numbers as of 10 years ago were 6% of the Russians, 3% of the Chinese, and 1% of everything else.
[01:03:45.040 --> 01:03:46.060]  And collect less than.
[01:03:46.200 --> 01:03:46.580]  Huh?
[01:03:46.860 --> 01:03:47.620]  Oh, no.
[01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:50.280]  Because then you couldn't pay SAIC to f*ck it up.
[01:03:50.380 --> 01:03:51.120]  Collect the problem.
[01:03:51.240 --> 01:03:51.940]  I know.
[01:03:52.180 --> 01:03:52.860]  I know.
[01:03:53.260 --> 01:03:55.500]  And again, it comes back to integrity.
[01:03:55.700 --> 01:03:55.940]  Yes.
[01:03:56.080 --> 01:03:58.940]  The directors of NSA have not had integrity.
[01:03:59.140 --> 01:04:09.100]  And I particularly include Lieutenant General Alexander, who killed Able Danger because it revealed two of the 9-11 people beforehand.
[01:04:09.100 --> 01:04:13.360]  And what I found is that government lawyers, when they don't know, they say you shouldn't do this.
[01:04:13.740 --> 01:04:20.420]  And so he had bad lawyers and he had a particularly stupid SES that I knew was a GS-12, which he should never have risen beyond.
[01:04:21.660 --> 01:04:27.200]  And so General Alexander literally did not do what he should have done, which is turn the information over to the FBI.
[01:04:28.740 --> 01:04:31.200]  And so this is a lack of integrity.
[01:04:32.460 --> 01:04:33.020]  All right.
[01:04:33.140 --> 01:04:33.820]  In the back, sir.
[01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:36.300]  I actually have two questions.
[01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:42.940]  The first one is, what are some fictional books you might recommend, if there are any?
[01:04:43.040 --> 01:04:43.620]  Bulletproof.
[01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:44.520]  Okay.
[01:04:45.580 --> 01:04:46.560]  And also...
[01:04:46.560 --> 01:04:47.020]  Bulletproof.
[01:04:47.260 --> 01:04:48.720]  It's real stuff.
[01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:58.640]  And have you heard about the Italian doctor who found that certain cancers were curable from baking soda?
[01:04:59.260 --> 01:05:00.680]  No, but I believe it.
[01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:03.100]  And this is the thing that really frosts me.
[01:05:04.060 --> 01:05:08.640]  There is so much knowledge in the world, and it's not being disseminated.
[01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:12.160]  I mean, we have concentrated wealth and fragmented knowledge.
[01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:13.560]  It should be the other way around.
[01:05:14.780 --> 01:05:22.020]  And so this is the kind of stuff that I'm hoping that a world brain would create a virtual world health thing.
[01:05:22.020 --> 01:05:33.100]  And, you know, I love Larry Brilliant, but anybody, and Vint Cerf I used to love, but anybody that will sell out to Google has got a problem.
[01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:36.720]  Because Google has no interest in making sense.
[01:05:36.940 --> 01:05:41.020]  Google wants to basically own your information and sell it back to you.
[01:05:42.340 --> 01:05:44.800]  And I recommend the books by Steve Arnold.
[01:05:45.080 --> 01:05:45.740]  Yes, sir.
[01:05:47.240 --> 01:05:49.600]  What are your thoughts on national sovereignty?
[01:05:50.480 --> 01:05:58.180]  And, well, given the new economy, obviously where things are either crumbling or getting stale, what are the borders going to look like?
[01:05:58.200 --> 01:06:02.160]  Are they going to be what they are presently or what we've been taught for the last 50 years?
[01:06:02.160 --> 01:06:05.500]  And how do you envision them changing in the next, say, five to ten?
[01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:07.720]  Well, let me answer that at three levels.
[01:06:07.900 --> 01:06:13.900]  Number one, individual sovereignty is absolute if you're keeping your integrity.
[01:06:14.220 --> 01:06:20.620]  And one of the problems we have is too many people are sacrificing their integrity to authority that is of questionable value.
[01:06:21.740 --> 01:06:23.260]  And so that's number one.
[01:06:23.660 --> 01:06:32.120]  Number two, the state does serve a very good purpose in terms of order and conservation and economies of scale.
[01:06:32.160 --> 01:06:33.120]  and certain other things.
[01:06:33.160 --> 01:06:38.560]  However, the state gets dysfunctional when it tries to manage what it doesn't understand.
[01:06:39.040 --> 01:06:40.700]  And we've reached that point.
[01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:43.000]  We've been at that point since the 1960s.
[01:06:44.200 --> 01:06:46.900]  So I believe that some states will survive.
[01:06:47.300 --> 01:06:52.540]  But I commend to your attention the book by Joel Garrow called The Nine Nations of North America.
[01:06:53.560 --> 01:06:57.460]  Absolutely excellent, excellent book on how we're logically nine nations.
[01:06:57.700 --> 01:06:58.940]  Go Cascadia.
[01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:00.120]  All right.
[01:07:00.240 --> 01:07:01.100]  Go Cascadia.
[01:07:01.100 --> 01:07:02.760]  There's also salmon nation.
[01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:05.580]  There's a fish that wants to dominate you.
[01:07:08.340 --> 01:07:09.820]  I mean, it's serious, you know.
[01:07:10.260 --> 01:07:17.920]  And finally, I'll end by saying that so many of the borders that we imposed on Africa and Latin America should just go away.
[01:07:19.080 --> 01:07:21.280]  They just make no sense at all.
[01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:23.700]  And we also have to look at the whole issue.
[01:07:23.700 --> 01:07:26.920]  Australia is now struggling with the whole issue of native land rights.
[01:07:27.980 --> 01:07:29.680]  And we need to get there.
[01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:37.340]  The Native American Indians, unfortunately, they decided that booze and gambling was a fair trade-off for their cultural heritage.
[01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:38.900]  I don't think it was that good a deal.
[01:07:39.620 --> 01:07:40.260]  I'm sorry?
[01:07:44.100 --> 01:07:47.280]  Yeah, I mean, all of these embargoes, these are idiocy.
[01:07:47.460 --> 01:07:49.860]  In fact, someone just wrote a good book called Invisible War.
[01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:53.700]  I mean, that killing 500 kids in Iraq was worth it.
[01:07:53.820 --> 01:07:54.220]  Or Iran.
[01:07:54.500 --> 01:07:56.480]  Killing 500 kids in Iran was worth it.
[01:07:56.540 --> 01:07:59.300]  What kind of idiot would say that?
[01:07:59.300 --> 01:08:01.940]  Well, Madeleine Albright, Hillary Clinton, you know?
[01:08:02.160 --> 01:08:06.240]  I mean, this is the kind of people that think that this makes sense.
[01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:11.700]  Because they lack a solid ethical and philosophical foundation and they've lost their integrity.
[01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:18.160]  Yeah.
[01:08:18.320 --> 01:08:18.860]  In the back?
[01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:30.140]  Yeah, one thing that I had heard around on the Internet was that the intelligence community wasn't really after nation building.
[01:08:30.140 --> 01:08:35.920]  The intelligence community has always been around after trying to get the terrorists, trying to track down Al-Qaeda.
[01:08:36.180 --> 01:08:44.340]  And actually, I've heard several military people, on the other hand, actually saying that they're getting kind of annoyed that some of the military guys actually want them to start doing nation building.
[01:08:44.680 --> 01:08:48.360]  But the intelligence community in general seems to be resistant to that and seems to be more just trying to nail it.
[01:08:48.380 --> 01:08:51.300]  Well, it's not just the intelligence community.
[01:08:51.420 --> 01:08:53.220]  It's the entire military-industrial complex.
[01:08:53.220 --> 01:08:57.380]  Because nation building doesn't pay as much for doing less.
[01:08:57.940 --> 01:08:59.640]  You actually have to build a nation.
[01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:01.260]  You're held accountable for results.
[01:09:01.940 --> 01:09:07.020]  We had a chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff that said real men don't do operations other than war.
[01:09:07.480 --> 01:09:10.460]  And one of the problems that we have is that the U.S. government is dysfunctional.
[01:09:12.420 --> 01:09:16.560]  I mean, DOD is dysfunctional, but at least it can move, shoot, and communicate.
[01:09:17.940 --> 01:09:21.540]  And there's a whole new meme about whole of government and all of this.
[01:09:22.080 --> 01:09:26.960]  The Department of State, the Department of Commerce, all of these other departments, they can't surge.
[01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:29.220]  They don't have a foreign service.
[01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:34.440]  They have really fat bureaucrats that sit in Washington and spend half their time on the Internet.
[01:09:34.820 --> 01:09:39.540]  I mean, one of the things I've found in a unit that I'm working with is we have to turn off Facebook and YouTube.
[01:09:40.180 --> 01:09:44.320]  I mean, we actually have to shut them out or we lose 30% productivity.
[01:09:46.220 --> 01:09:51.560]  And this is even in Guatemala, in this particular unit.
[01:09:53.320 --> 01:09:53.680]  So...
[01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:56.840]  I've lost my train of thought again.
[01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:57.780]  Boy, this is scary.
[01:09:58.320 --> 01:09:59.420]  Mad cow disease?
[01:10:00.660 --> 01:10:01.580]  No, I don't know.
[01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:02.080]  I don't know.
[01:10:02.180 --> 01:10:02.560]  Come back.
[01:10:02.660 --> 01:10:03.180]  Bring me back.
[01:10:03.320 --> 01:10:03.820]  Where were we?
[01:10:04.300 --> 01:10:06.140]  We were talking about DOD.
[01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:07.220]  Oh, okay.
[01:10:07.620 --> 01:10:07.720]  Yeah.
[01:10:07.940 --> 01:10:10.580]  You know, part of the...
[01:10:10.580 --> 01:10:13.580]  I mean, Medard Gabel was Buckminster Fuller's number two.
[01:10:13.580 --> 01:10:16.980]  He's now a guru in his own right.
[01:10:17.140 --> 01:10:19.080]  He runs Big Picture Small World.
[01:10:19.360 --> 01:10:24.920]  He's a master of sustainable design workshops.
[01:10:25.340 --> 01:10:36.080]  And people start out in these small groups and about halfway through the design workshop, they have the aha experience of, oh shit, we have to all come together and be a system of systems think tank.
[01:10:36.080 --> 01:10:36.740]  Okay?
[01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:43.160]  And Medard has costed out what it would take to solve every problem on the face of the planet.
[01:10:44.200 --> 01:10:46.000]  Clean water, disease, everything.
[01:10:46.160 --> 01:10:47.120]  $230 billion.
[01:10:47.700 --> 01:10:56.120]  Well, we in the United States are spending $1.3 trillion a year on the instruments of war.
[01:10:56.820 --> 01:10:59.140]  Not even on being competent at war.
[01:10:59.320 --> 01:11:00.980]  Just the instruments of war.
[01:11:01.280 --> 01:11:12.360]  So what you have here is this total, total disconnect between reality and, as Senator Sam Nunn used to say, you really have to understand the threat and then you have to have a strategy.
[01:11:12.540 --> 01:11:14.800]  And then within that strategy, you design a force structure.
[01:11:15.080 --> 01:11:19.040]  And then with that force structure, you then design a campaign plan and so forth.
[01:11:19.240 --> 01:11:23.500]  The single best dollar on the planet is in the education of women.
[01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:26.340]  And one of the things that...
[01:11:27.480 --> 01:11:28.300]  No, really.
[01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:29.660]  And one of the things...
[01:11:29.660 --> 01:11:30.040]  Michael O.
[01:11:30.120 --> 01:11:33.180]  Hanlon's book, Half Penny on the Dollar, is excellent.
[01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:36.280]  I mean, he's one of the guys I think is a clear thinker.
[01:11:37.200 --> 01:11:38.540]  Even if he is a Democrat.
[01:11:41.460 --> 01:11:50.340]  And one of the points that Janos makes is that lending money to women is like 10 to 15 times more effective than lending money to men.
[01:11:51.700 --> 01:11:53.300]  And that's absolutely fascinating.
[01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:59.420]  And I have myself found that women make better analysts because they have smaller egos and more intuition.
[01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.820]  So there's a lot of stuff we can do right in the future.
[01:12:04.040 --> 01:12:05.100]  Did you have a follow on?
[01:12:05.280 --> 01:12:06.040]  Yes, I did, actually.
[01:12:06.380 --> 01:12:07.040]  Very quickly.
[01:12:08.080 --> 01:12:12.400]  Well, since we're already in Afghanistan, I mean, I guess we're...
[01:12:12.400 --> 01:12:15.200]  I mean, Iraq war seems to be wrapping up.
[01:12:15.220 --> 01:12:16.220]  At least the casualties down.
[01:12:16.360 --> 01:12:18.680]  But Afghanistan is a bit escalating recently.
[01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:23.340]  Now, if you could have been in charge of it, what would you have done differently?
[01:12:23.480 --> 01:12:26.460]  And do you think we should leave Afghanistan as is now?
[01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:33.800]  Or do you think we should are emboldened to kind of like obligated to finish this nation building and stabilize it before you leave?
[01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:37.080]  Well, first off, we can't afford to fix it now.
[01:12:37.980 --> 01:12:40.020]  And we broke it worse than it was.
[01:12:41.440 --> 01:12:43.800]  You know, Charlie Wilson died recently.
[01:12:44.200 --> 01:12:47.900]  But Charlie Wilson was one hell of a congressman.
[01:12:48.200 --> 01:12:56.400]  And it's really amazing how far a handsome, drunken Texan can get if he's got his heart in the right place.
[01:12:56.500 --> 01:12:58.900]  And Charlie Wilson had his heart in the right place.
[01:12:59.580 --> 01:13:04.800]  I highly recommend the DVD and the book, or my review of the book.
[01:13:05.260 --> 01:13:17.200]  When we drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan, and kind of the back story on Charlie Wilson is that CIA never wanted to actually do what we did in Afghanistan.
[01:13:17.580 --> 01:13:20.000]  They wanted to just harass the Soviets.
[01:13:20.440 --> 01:13:24.520]  And Charlie Wilson came in and said, bullshit, we're going to drive the Soviets out.
[01:13:24.540 --> 01:13:25.120]  And we did.
[01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:29.740]  Unfortunately, 200 of our Stinger missiles are now in Iran.
[01:13:30.160 --> 01:13:33.500]  And, you know, we made a lot of mistakes along the way.
[01:13:33.700 --> 01:13:47.860]  But when we drove the Soviets out of Afghanistan, Charlie Wilson went to the congressional committees and said, let's sustain the funding level, but redirect it to schools and roads and water, which happens to be a particularly desperate problem in Afghanistan.
[01:13:47.860 --> 01:13:49.040]  And they said, no.
[01:13:50.260 --> 01:13:52.540]  Okay, so we blew it right there.
[01:13:53.380 --> 01:13:59.460]  And finally, one of the problems we have is we are so screwed up here at home.
[01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:01.220]  I mean, we've been exporting jobs.
[01:14:01.900 --> 01:14:04.120]  We've got major policy issues.
[01:14:04.300 --> 01:14:07.100]  I mean, population issues that we're not dealing with.
[01:14:07.260 --> 01:14:13.940]  We've got major water issues, power issues, transportation issues, health issues, agricultural issues.
[01:14:15.500 --> 01:14:24.780]  If I had been in charge after 9-11, I would have said, shit, imperialism just came home to roost.
[01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:28.460]  And maybe what we should do is pull back.
[01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:32.160]  I mean, I personally think bin Laden is right in many respects.
[01:14:32.160 --> 01:14:33.800]  And so does Michael Scheuer.
[01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:38.800]  Read my reviews of Michael Scheuer's books, Imperial Hubris, and so forth.
[01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:50.560]  We should not be supporting a despotic regime of 60,000 princes, many of them perverts, who kidnap young starlets from the United States for $50,000 on a by-name basis.
[01:14:51.400 --> 01:14:53.000]  I mean, this is ridiculous.
[01:14:54.420 --> 01:14:56.920]  So bin Laden has a point.
[01:14:56.920 --> 01:14:59.320]  And we missed the point.
[01:15:00.160 --> 01:15:05.560]  So from where I sit, Afghanistan at this point cannot be saved.
[01:15:05.620 --> 01:15:11.940]  Because what we have done is we have aroused every national xenophobic bone in that country.
[01:15:12.020 --> 01:15:14.800]  We have put a corrupt asshole in charge.
[01:15:15.140 --> 01:15:23.720]  His warlord, drug lord brother is feeding him hashish at the same time that he's running opium into Pakistan.
[01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:26.320]  And this is a no-win solution.
[01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:32.040]  I mean, the biggest, single, most important word with respect to insurgency and nation-building is legitimacy.
[01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:36.080]  The United States of America has zero legitimacy in Afghanistan.
[01:15:36.500 --> 01:15:41.380]  Because the Afghan government has zero legitimacy in Afghanistan, in my opinion.
[01:15:43.540 --> 01:15:44.000]  Okay.
[01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:46.100]  But the Israelis are not.
[01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:47.260]  What?
[01:15:48.180 --> 01:15:49.420]  The Israelis are what?
[01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:51.440]  I said, but the Israelis are not.
[01:15:51.620 --> 01:15:53.480]  Oh, so are the Americans in their own way.
[01:15:53.740 --> 01:15:54.720]  So are the Americans.
[01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:56.300]  And don't misunderstand me.
[01:15:56.360 --> 01:15:57.160]  I love Herats.
[01:15:58.180 --> 01:16:01.640]  I love Howard Bloom, who's a Zionist.
[01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:02.020]  Huh?
[01:16:05.340 --> 01:16:10.240]  Look, the Israelis are going to have to come to grips with the fact that they're building walls.
[01:16:10.240 --> 01:16:11.360]  They're building ghettos.
[01:16:11.500 --> 01:16:25.700]  I mean, if you go into Israel and you look at the jewish settlements with roads and soccer fields and swimming pools, and you look at the Palestinians right next to them, who are incidentally Israeli citizens, I'm sorry, but that is a crime against humanity.
[01:16:28.540 --> 01:16:29.020]  Okay.
[01:16:29.380 --> 01:16:31.040]  I have to comment on that.
[01:16:31.060 --> 01:16:31.840]  Oh, please do.
[01:16:32.240 --> 01:16:40.280]  So, how is it different, you know, you talked about, you know, the Native Americans or the Mexicans.
[01:16:41.220 --> 01:16:44.940]  You know, when you form a nation, you can't just say, excuse me, can you move over?
[01:16:44.940 --> 01:16:46.840]  We're going to make better use of your resources.
[01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:58.020]  You know, what is your suggestion when you're dealing with protecting the security of the Israeli people when they're having bombs?
[01:16:58.540 --> 01:17:02.860]  You know, they're being attacked and they have to protect their security.
[01:17:03.160 --> 01:17:05.100]  What is your concept there?
[01:17:08.370 --> 01:17:15.630]  One of the problems that, that, that Israel faces is it's, I mean, it's like General Custer's last stand, you know.
[01:17:15.730 --> 01:17:17.890]  Ah, we've got the enemy right where we want them.
[01:17:18.010 --> 01:17:18.570]  They're all around.
[01:17:20.130 --> 01:17:21.870]  You know, it ain't going to work.
[01:17:23.050 --> 01:17:26.390]  So, they'd be, they'd be knee deep and...
[01:17:26.390 --> 01:17:28.590]  Look, I mean, I'm, I'm a military officer.
[01:17:28.590 --> 01:17:30.250]  I'm an intelligence professional.
[01:17:30.250 --> 01:17:38.830]  And I have, I taught the UN class before one on, and open source intelligence in Beirut in August of 2007.
[01:17:39.790 --> 01:17:44.290]  What Israel has done to Beirut is a crime against humanity.
[01:17:44.730 --> 01:17:47.990]  Ah, and it is absolutely intolerable to me.
[01:17:48.590 --> 01:17:50.990]  Ah, it is bad military judgment.
[01:17:51.330 --> 01:17:53.270]  It is collective punishment.
[01:17:53.770 --> 01:17:57.350]  It is in every sense of the word in the Nazi tradition.
[01:17:57.350 --> 01:18:08.630]  And building walls around specific villages is so insane as to cause me to wonder what kind of citizen would support a government that does that to anybody.
[01:18:09.170 --> 01:18:09.690]  Okay?
[01:18:09.710 --> 01:18:10.370]  I'm sorry.
[01:18:10.390 --> 01:18:11.230]  It's wrong.
[01:18:13.290 --> 01:18:21.690]  Now, what you have going for you is that the Rothschilds are still in power, and there is a jewish diaspora that has power in every country of the world.
[01:18:21.690 --> 01:18:23.290]  And I would focus on that.
[01:18:23.990 --> 01:18:25.130]  What about the U.S. border of Mexico?
[01:18:26.010 --> 01:18:27.310]  What more?
[01:18:27.430 --> 01:18:31.410]  Hey, the Guadalupe Hidalgo line is gone.
[01:18:31.690 --> 01:18:32.770]  Get used to it.
[01:18:33.630 --> 01:18:33.950]  Okay?
[01:18:34.170 --> 01:18:37.070]  Now, I think that...
[01:18:37.070 --> 01:18:40.010]  Oh, kind of sort of answering one of the questions from before.
[01:18:40.010 --> 01:18:42.090]  We are moving to a situation of panarchy.
[01:18:43.090 --> 01:18:45.730]  Panarchy is the opposite of anarchy.
[01:18:46.370 --> 01:18:46.790]  Okay?
[01:18:47.570 --> 01:18:50.550]  Panarchy is when you can have multiple loyalties.
[01:18:50.550 --> 01:18:51.610]  Okay?
[01:18:52.030 --> 01:18:57.610]  And you can be a rich and vibrant member of the jewish community without being a traitor to America.
[01:18:57.950 --> 01:19:01.210]  I mean, I'm talking ideal America, not the government of America.
[01:19:01.950 --> 01:19:04.130]  You can be a...
[01:19:05.590 --> 01:19:13.430]  I mean, you can be any one of a number of diversity groups and be part of the sense-making and the judgment and all of that.
[01:19:13.590 --> 01:19:18.210]  And you do it because you have clarity and diversity and integrity.
[01:19:18.210 --> 01:19:19.370]  All right?
[01:19:19.770 --> 01:19:20.390]  Because what's...
[01:19:20.390 --> 01:19:27.110]  What's the problem that I am finding with most governments and most organizations is that they're becoming cult-like.
[01:19:27.350 --> 01:19:29.870]  And I certainly include every religion in America.
[01:19:30.390 --> 01:19:30.810]  Okay?
[01:19:31.030 --> 01:19:32.790]  And so they become cult-like.
[01:19:32.950 --> 01:19:35.850]  And you have Opus Dei doing crimes against humanity.
[01:19:35.850 --> 01:19:39.790]  And you have the Mormons basically stealing shit out of CIA and the FBI.
[01:19:40.910 --> 01:19:45.550]  And you have, of course, the Islamic radicals doing very bad things.
[01:19:45.770 --> 01:19:49.350]  And I'm frankly astounded that the Americans are so naive.
[01:19:50.210 --> 01:19:52.670]  I mean, Steve Emerson is a good friend of mine.
[01:19:52.690 --> 01:20:03.630]  And he was blacklisted from journalism in 1994 because he did an undercover PBS one-hour documentary on imans on American soil calling for the murder of Americans.
[01:20:04.370 --> 01:20:06.610]  And FBI didn't want to touch it.
[01:20:07.010 --> 01:20:07.830]  Religious freedom.
[01:20:07.990 --> 01:20:10.010]  I mean, we literally have a stupid government.
[01:20:11.410 --> 01:20:14.210]  And it's not stupid because the people are stupid.
[01:20:14.390 --> 01:20:18.170]  It's stupid because we have a bureaucracy that is at the end of its life.
[01:20:18.330 --> 01:20:20.030]  I mean, it's walking dead stupid.
[01:20:21.110 --> 01:20:24.310]  With politicians who really don't want a smart bureaucracy.
[01:20:24.650 --> 01:20:26.790]  And that's the problem that we have.
[01:20:26.790 --> 01:20:30.410]  And with respect, I think we have to confront the truth.
[01:20:30.610 --> 01:20:37.450]  The chairman of Saatchi and Saatchi in Japan says, no matter how ugly it is, until you get the truth at the table, you can't deal with it.
[01:20:37.830 --> 01:20:43.150]  And I think the Middle East is a place where we should be able to wage peace.
[01:20:43.610 --> 01:20:46.610]  And frankly, Howard Bloom in Global Brain has the answer.
[01:20:46.810 --> 01:20:58.610]  By the time every Palestinian and every Israeli kid is five years old, they know as an absolute fact communicated directly from Yahweh that the other guy is a monkey and a pig.
[01:20:59.050 --> 01:20:59.690]  Okay?
[01:20:59.990 --> 01:21:01.370]  And that's wrong.
[01:21:01.370 --> 01:21:05.370]  So I would occupy the Middle East for 50 years.
[01:21:05.690 --> 01:21:13.390]  And I would raise an entire new generation that learns to live in peace and that applies our tax dollars for peace rather than war.
[01:21:14.470 --> 01:21:15.890]  There is some of that.
[01:21:16.010 --> 01:21:16.610]  And education.
[01:21:17.910 --> 01:21:18.270]  Yes.
[01:21:18.610 --> 01:21:18.810]  Okay.
[01:21:18.910 --> 01:21:20.030]  Let's go back to you guys.
[01:21:20.250 --> 01:21:24.930]  By the way, you'll notice that I have to pee more and more frequently as we move towards 6 o'clock.
[01:21:25.930 --> 01:21:27.410]  But stay with me.
[01:21:27.710 --> 01:21:28.050]  Huh?
[01:21:28.390 --> 01:21:29.270]  Get a bottle.
[01:21:29.370 --> 01:21:34.770]  I actually thought about doing this apple juice urine thing on you guys but decided it was too much trouble.
[01:21:36.930 --> 01:21:37.690]  Go on.
[01:21:37.690 --> 01:21:42.090]  You mentioned that 230 billion would solve the world's problems.
[01:21:42.550 --> 01:21:43.710]  I actually have a slide on it.
[01:21:43.770 --> 01:21:44.610]  Let me try and bring it up.
[01:21:44.710 --> 01:21:44.970]  Go ahead.
[01:21:45.670 --> 01:21:50.070]  Has anyone mentioned this to Warren Buffet or to Bill Gates Foundation?
[01:21:50.590 --> 01:21:52.690]  Aren't they supposed to be doing something with...
[01:21:54.010 --> 01:21:55.690]  You know, I think Gates...
[01:21:56.730 --> 01:21:57.390]  What's that?
[01:22:01.320 --> 01:22:01.820]  Shit.
[01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:02.680]  How do I...
[01:22:05.060 --> 01:22:06.420]  They need to know them.
[01:22:06.420 --> 01:22:08.280]  I need a personal...
[01:22:11.740 --> 01:22:17.460]  I used to have a cartoon in which two IT guys are developing a new software.
[01:22:17.940 --> 01:22:21.040]  And so the first cartoon says, okay, we're developing this great new software.
[01:22:21.260 --> 01:22:24.660]  And then the second cartoon is, say, you know, remember, we're never going to meet an end user.
[01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:27.440]  So the guy says, okay, make it so it crashes in every typo.
[01:22:28.620 --> 01:22:29.120]  You know?
[01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:29.980]  All right.
[01:22:30.020 --> 01:22:31.400]  How do I get my screen back?
[01:22:31.580 --> 01:22:32.140]  Don't send.
[01:22:33.240 --> 01:22:33.920]  Don't send.
[01:22:34.140 --> 01:22:34.540]  Don't send.
[01:22:34.540 --> 01:22:35.420]  Don't send an F11.
[01:22:35.420 --> 01:22:36.140]  F11.
[01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:37.320]  F11.
[01:22:37.320 --> 01:22:37.720]  F11.
[01:22:37.900 --> 01:22:38.340]  F11 if you need it.
[01:22:38.500 --> 01:22:38.520]  Yeah.
[01:22:39.380 --> 01:22:40.040]  Wait, wait.
[01:22:40.200 --> 01:22:42.080]  I got the F11 part, but what?
[01:22:42.160 --> 01:22:43.220]  It don't send.
[01:22:43.660 --> 01:22:48.320]  It's the same function.
[01:22:48.660 --> 01:22:50.420]  Let's all stand around talking about it.
[01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:51.440]  That'll get it fixed.
[01:22:52.500 --> 01:22:52.860]  All right.
[01:22:53.540 --> 01:22:55.260]  Oh, God, you're a genius.
[01:22:55.260 --> 01:22:56.460]  I swear, man.
[01:23:02.010 --> 01:23:03.390]  I'm mindless bickering.
[01:23:03.570 --> 01:23:03.730]  Okay.
[01:23:03.830 --> 01:23:04.610]  I'm there for you.
[01:23:05.850 --> 01:23:06.370]  F11.
[01:23:06.830 --> 01:23:07.350]  Hang on.
[01:23:07.370 --> 01:23:07.990]  A second.
[01:23:09.130 --> 01:23:09.530]  Graphic.
[01:23:10.830 --> 01:23:11.230]  Medard.
[01:23:12.890 --> 01:23:13.290]  Gabel.
[01:23:15.130 --> 01:23:15.530]  230.
[01:23:19.320 --> 01:23:20.780]  Let me see if that brings it up.
[01:23:20.860 --> 01:23:27.540]  By the way, you can have a lot of fun just going through all of the graphics in here.
[01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:29.320]  Let's see.
[01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:29.780]  Let's see.
[01:23:29.780 --> 01:23:30.320]  UN intelligence.
[01:23:30.640 --> 01:23:32.400]  Let's see if we've got the graphic in here.
[01:23:32.820 --> 01:23:33.520]  I think we might.
[01:23:37.040 --> 01:23:38.240]  Multilateral sharing.
[01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:40.020]  UN tools.
[01:23:43.820 --> 01:23:44.800]  Not looking good.
[01:23:45.100 --> 01:23:46.200]  Strategic analytic model.
[01:23:46.340 --> 01:23:47.220]  You should take a look at that.
[01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:48.960]  Future of OSINT is M3.
[01:23:50.160 --> 01:23:50.420]  Intelligence.
[01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:51.120]  Oh, shit.
[01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:51.740]  Okay.
[01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:53.320]  Huh?
[01:23:55.480 --> 01:23:55.960]  Yeah.
[01:23:56.300 --> 01:23:57.460]  Open space reinvention.
[01:23:57.680 --> 01:23:57.880]  All right.
[01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:00.060]  Let's try it another way.
[01:24:01.240 --> 01:24:03.200]  This is just really fun here.
[01:24:05.820 --> 01:24:07.020]  Multinational plus strategic...
[01:24:07.580 --> 01:24:08.620]  What's the keyword you're looking for?
[01:24:09.440 --> 01:24:11.440]  Well, unfortunately, I don't know.
[01:24:13.760 --> 01:24:16.460]  I would suggest control F, but...
[01:24:16.460 --> 01:24:17.400]  What's control F?
[01:24:17.860 --> 01:24:19.120]  Well, find things on the page.
[01:24:20.120 --> 01:24:21.420]  Oh, but not here.
[01:24:21.580 --> 01:24:23.040]  This page doesn't have it.
[01:24:23.120 --> 01:24:24.000]  It would have been there.
[01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:26.240]  Let's try it another way.
[01:24:26.580 --> 01:24:27.140]  Graphic.
[01:24:28.280 --> 01:24:28.840]  Medard.
[01:24:29.260 --> 01:24:29.820]  Gabel.
[01:24:30.460 --> 01:24:31.800]  The guy's a genius.
[01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:39.040]  Okay, here we go.
[01:24:39.700 --> 01:24:42.500]  And I'm gonna let you look at this while I go to the bathroom.
[01:24:44.160 --> 01:24:44.560]  Um...
[01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:46.200]  But you can...
[01:24:46.200 --> 01:24:46.760]  You can...
[01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:47.280]  Are you here for another two hours?
[01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:48.320]  What's that?
[01:24:48.480 --> 01:24:49.640]  Are you here for another two hours?
[01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:51.140]  Oh, I'm good for another two hours.
[01:24:51.240 --> 01:24:51.640]  Absolutely.
[01:24:52.160 --> 01:24:54.000]  I'm good till the sun comes up.
[01:25:00.340 --> 01:25:05.920]  I can tell that you guys are spread out roughly in the same order that you would be in your fourth grade classroom.
[01:25:09.300 --> 01:25:09.700]  Uh...
[01:25:09.700 --> 01:25:13.160]  So up here we have the spring butts that want to get straight A's.
[01:25:13.320 --> 01:25:14.500]  And back there we guys...
[01:25:14.500 --> 01:25:15.620]  The guys that are coasting.
[01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:19.020]  By the way, if you see anyone taking notes on my speeches, they work for the CIA.
[01:25:20.120 --> 01:25:20.520]  Um...
[01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:21.100]  And, uh...
[01:25:21.100 --> 01:25:21.600]  That's that right here?
[01:25:21.700 --> 01:25:22.600]  Yeah, there you go.
[01:25:22.900 --> 01:25:23.720]  Spot the Fed.
[01:25:27.990 --> 01:25:28.390]  Um...
[01:25:28.390 --> 01:25:28.970]  Interpol.
[01:25:29.230 --> 01:25:29.630]  Interpol.
[01:25:29.790 --> 01:25:30.410]  Let's not go there.
[01:25:31.470 --> 01:25:31.870]  Uh...
[01:25:31.870 --> 01:25:32.190]  Okay.
[01:25:32.430 --> 01:25:32.790]  Next.
[01:25:33.510 --> 01:25:34.370]  Oh, this.
[01:25:34.710 --> 01:25:34.830]  Uh...
[01:25:34.830 --> 01:25:36.470]  Medard Gabel has a book he's...
[01:25:36.470 --> 01:25:37.090]  Whoa!
[01:25:39.360 --> 01:25:39.740]  Guys!
[01:25:40.140 --> 01:25:41.680]  I think something just fell.
[01:25:41.900 --> 01:25:42.220]  Yeah.
[01:25:42.420 --> 01:25:42.700]  Kill him.
[01:25:42.900 --> 01:25:43.480]  Do it.
[01:25:43.940 --> 01:25:44.360]  Uh...
[01:25:44.360 --> 01:25:44.620]  All right.
[01:25:44.740 --> 01:25:50.100]  Medard Gabel has been struggling with a book called Seven Billion Billionaires.
[01:25:50.660 --> 01:25:53.860]  But he's done some work on this before an article form.
[01:25:54.020 --> 01:25:55.120]  And I highly recommend it.
[01:25:55.220 --> 01:25:56.400]  Like Four Billion Billionaires.
[01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:57.480]  Sorry.
[01:25:58.000 --> 01:25:58.480]  Um...
[01:25:58.480 --> 01:25:58.720]  Okay.
[01:25:58.960 --> 01:25:59.700]  Is this thing on?
[01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:01.640]  Yeah, but I'm not talking to you yet.
[01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:02.100]  My bad.
[01:26:02.100 --> 01:26:02.880]  Nor am I listening.
[01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:03.560]  My bad.
[01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:04.140]  Okay.
[01:26:04.980 --> 01:26:05.340]  Um...
[01:26:05.340 --> 01:26:06.960]  So, Medard put this together.
[01:26:07.360 --> 01:26:09.340]  And he gave me permission to use it.
[01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:12.060]  But it's absolutely utterly brilliant.
[01:26:12.400 --> 01:26:14.780]  And I don't want to waste your time looking for the slide.
[01:26:14.940 --> 01:26:19.600]  But if you pull this JPEG and put it on a PowerPoint slide, you can look at it in detail.
[01:26:19.900 --> 01:26:21.880]  Or you can actually look for...
[01:26:24.200 --> 01:26:24.660]  Uh...
[01:26:24.660 --> 01:26:25.080]  Uh...
[01:26:25.080 --> 01:26:25.320]  Okay?
[01:26:26.020 --> 01:26:26.700]  I'm sorry.
[01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:26.980]  Sure.
[01:26:27.260 --> 01:26:27.860]  My bad.
[01:26:27.940 --> 01:26:28.440]  It might not work.
[01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:29.740]  Just control.
[01:26:31.300 --> 01:26:32.120]  Where's the plus?
[01:26:32.120 --> 01:26:33.180]  I...
[01:26:33.180 --> 01:26:33.480]  I...
[01:26:33.480 --> 01:26:33.880]  I...
[01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:34.740]  I...
[01:26:34.740 --> 01:26:35.200]  I...
[01:26:35.200 --> 01:26:35.780]  Sorry.
[01:26:36.080 --> 01:26:37.400]  I need to move away from the...
[01:26:37.400 --> 01:26:38.160]  I'm not worthy.
[01:26:38.460 --> 01:26:39.440]  I'm not worthy.
[01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:41.060]  Good.
[01:26:41.460 --> 01:26:41.600]  Wow.
[01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:42.800]  Control plus.
[01:26:44.760 --> 01:26:45.360]  Um...
[01:26:45.360 --> 01:26:48.380]  Anyway, this is really very, very intelligent stuff.
[01:26:48.580 --> 01:26:50.920]  It's been rigorously documented by Medard.
[01:26:50.920 --> 01:26:52.980]  I have absolute faith in his numbers.
[01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:54.640]  Um...
[01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:58.820]  The fact is that we're reaching a point now where, uh...
[01:26:58.820 --> 01:27:02.040]  If enough people just say no, uh...
[01:27:02.040 --> 01:27:04.920]  We might actually get some common sense in the government.
[01:27:20.260 --> 01:27:20.900]  Um...
[01:27:20.900 --> 01:27:22.040]  I don't know what the answer is.
[01:27:22.300 --> 01:27:22.900]  Anarchy war.
[01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:25.980]  Come to the microphone, and then we'll come to you in the back.
[01:27:26.420 --> 01:27:26.700]  Uh...
[01:27:26.700 --> 01:27:26.720]  But...
[01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:28.880]  But this guy, uh...
[01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:29.940]  For many, many reasons...
[01:27:30.740 --> 01:27:30.820]  I'm sorry.
[01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:32.940]  ...has to have pride of place.
[01:27:33.320 --> 01:27:33.380]  I'm sorry.
[01:27:33.380 --> 01:27:33.680]  No, no, no.
[01:27:33.900 --> 01:27:35.140]  I wasn't trying to...
[01:27:35.140 --> 01:27:35.460]  No, no, no.
[01:27:35.580 --> 01:27:36.260]  Hang on, hang on, hang on.
[01:27:36.320 --> 01:27:37.100]  We'll come right back to you.
[01:27:37.140 --> 01:27:37.260]  Go.
[01:27:37.980 --> 01:27:39.680]  Every government has a life cycle.
[01:27:40.900 --> 01:27:53.300]  At a certain point in the overall life cycle of a government, the government starts to becoming self-serving, and its primary interest is the service of the government and not of the people for which it was designed and developed to serve.
[01:27:53.580 --> 01:27:57.440]  So, let's assume for a moment that we did have a day of protest.
[01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:02.340]  Let's assume that there is some kind of Uber Tea Party that spreads out across the country...
[01:28:02.340 --> 01:28:03.020]  Uber Tea Party?
[01:28:03.060 --> 01:28:03.560]  I love it.
[01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:06.840]  Uber litchi!
[01:28:07.320 --> 01:28:08.640]  That's a copyrighted term.
[01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:12.600]  Come to me, Uber litchi!
[01:28:12.760 --> 01:28:13.320]  I like it.
[01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:18.400]  Okay, let's assume that there is a public insurrection, resurrection, whatever you want to call it...
[01:28:18.400 --> 01:28:19.300]  Did you say erection?
[01:28:21.160 --> 01:28:21.800]  I'm sorry.
[01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:24.080]  I'm trying to wake up the guys in the back, okay?
[01:28:24.260 --> 01:28:26.280]  I mean, right now I'm a distraction to them.
[01:28:26.380 --> 01:28:26.600]  Okay.
[01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:27.480]  Go on.
[01:28:28.200 --> 01:28:41.900]  What would the government's response be if they felt that their control over the populace is through taxation and federal, state, and government legislation and various other kinds of things?
[01:28:42.180 --> 01:28:42.340]  Gandhi.
[01:28:43.480 --> 01:28:47.360]  I watch that video like once every two months.
[01:28:48.180 --> 01:28:52.160]  non-violent, non-violent resistance.
[01:28:52.480 --> 01:28:53.040]  Not us.
[01:28:53.640 --> 01:28:54.240]  Protest.
[01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:55.260]  The other ways.
[01:28:55.420 --> 01:28:56.700]  The government...
[01:28:56.700 --> 01:29:03.120]  You know, part of what I've learned the hard way is you have to give people a back door.
[01:29:03.720 --> 01:29:09.740]  And one of the things that I really believe strongly is that you have to wind the government down slowly.
[01:29:09.740 --> 01:29:16.000]  I mean, the last thing you want to do is put two...
[01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:18.480]  I don't know how many million civil servants we have.
[01:29:18.640 --> 01:29:19.900]  Most of them double-wides.
[01:29:21.820 --> 01:29:32.400]  But the last thing you want to do in an economy that has 22% unemployment is put the federal government out of work.
[01:29:32.400 --> 01:29:33.320]  Okay?
[01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:34.560]  That's not cool.
[01:29:34.820 --> 01:29:41.160]  But what you can do is have a 10-year plan that downsizes the government by 10% every year.
[01:29:41.320 --> 01:29:42.980]  And that basically is...
[01:29:42.980 --> 01:29:48.480]  I've learned I have to tell this to congressmen, is job and revenue neutral district by district.
[01:29:48.980 --> 01:29:49.560]  Okay?
[01:29:49.840 --> 01:30:01.340]  So what I'm really talking about here is not flipping the system, but actually migrating the system in a very intelligent way from its current place to a future place.
[01:30:01.340 --> 01:30:14.220]  And the idealistic vision that I have is that if enough people start saying this will not stand and say we prefer this, then we might actually get what we want.
[01:30:15.220 --> 01:30:20.780]  Right now, the government is dangerous to itself and to us.
[01:30:21.100 --> 01:30:23.540]  It is really hurting the world.
[01:30:23.540 --> 01:30:24.680]  It is really hurting us.
[01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:32.040]  And there's a wonderful book called The 50-Year Wound by Lieberk, Derek Lieberk, I think.
[01:30:32.280 --> 01:30:32.680]  Liebert.
[01:30:32.920 --> 01:30:34.900]  He's a very noted military historian.
[01:30:35.660 --> 01:30:45.420]  I mean, the Soviets didn't have any air defenses in the north until we started running strategic air missions into the north of Russia to see how far we could get.
[01:30:46.360 --> 01:30:46.840]  Okay?
[01:30:46.980 --> 01:30:55.020]  I mean, the idiocy of what the United States government has done in our name over the last 50 years is just beyond comprehension.
[01:30:55.280 --> 01:30:58.420]  And it's a burden for me to have read all these books.
[01:31:00.300 --> 01:31:03.780]  Because I ask myself, why the hell hasn't everybody else read all these books?
[01:31:04.020 --> 01:31:05.340]  And so I get very frustrated.
[01:31:05.340 --> 01:31:06.460]  Because it's all there.
[01:31:07.060 --> 01:31:08.380]  It's all in the open.
[01:31:08.380 --> 01:31:12.660]  But what we have not been given is the tools to do sense-making together.
[01:31:12.920 --> 01:31:17.160]  And the tools to aggregate and visualize citizen opinion.
[01:31:17.460 --> 01:31:19.700]  And that, I think, is the next big step.
[01:31:19.880 --> 01:31:23.820]  And that was one of the slides in my briefing, which you can...
[01:31:24.120 --> 01:31:30.460]  Which if you go to Phi Beta Iota any time, you will find...
[01:31:31.340 --> 01:31:33.200]  You will find the...
[01:31:33.200 --> 01:31:34.040]  This is great.
[01:31:34.240 --> 01:31:35.720]  Geriatric websites.
[01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:37.120]  Okay.
[01:31:39.820 --> 01:31:41.820]  This lecture, Hacking Humanity.
[01:31:41.940 --> 01:31:42.140]  Okay?
[01:31:42.380 --> 01:31:47.260]  So if you click on this, it's the brief and it has the words in notes format.
[01:31:47.500 --> 01:31:49.260]  So, sir, you've been very patient in the back.
[01:31:49.380 --> 01:31:49.700]  Go ahead.
[01:31:50.060 --> 01:31:50.400]  Thanks.
[01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:57.160]  I'm not a citizen of this country, but I read a book while I was in Cuba called The Collapse of Complex Societies.
[01:31:57.160 --> 01:32:00.240]  And we keep talking about where America's going from here.
[01:32:00.300 --> 01:32:00.860]  And you nodded.
[01:32:00.980 --> 01:32:05.700]  And I can only imagine that, based on everything you've read, that you actually have read that.
[01:32:05.700 --> 01:32:10.760]  And, you know, it's fine that we talk about where maybe America should go.
[01:32:10.940 --> 01:32:13.980]  Again, I'm not a citizen here, so I can only kind of observe.
[01:32:15.020 --> 01:32:18.180]  But are we up against the collapse of a complex society here?
[01:32:18.200 --> 01:32:20.220]  And if so, what's next?
[01:32:21.800 --> 01:32:24.220]  How do I reverse the geriatric thing?
[01:32:24.480 --> 01:32:25.160]  Control minus?
[01:32:25.360 --> 01:32:25.720]  Yes.
[01:32:30.360 --> 01:32:34.680]  Oh, this is just too cool.
[01:32:40.180 --> 01:32:44.360]  All right, now the plus is on the top, so that's a little harder.
[01:32:45.080 --> 01:32:46.280]  Control zero.
[01:32:47.040 --> 01:32:47.640]  Control zero.
[01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:48.820]  Control zero.
[01:32:49.080 --> 01:32:50.160]  Control zero.
[01:32:50.440 --> 01:32:52.180]  Oh, you clever devils.
[01:32:52.180 --> 01:32:52.980]  You moved it.
[01:32:55.400 --> 01:32:56.000]  Okay.
[01:32:56.460 --> 01:32:58.240]  No, I've had enough education for the day.
[01:32:58.300 --> 01:32:59.320]  I can't take this anymore.
[01:33:00.080 --> 01:33:00.360]  Okay.
[01:33:01.740 --> 01:33:02.500]  Down here.
[01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:03.140]  Hold on.
[01:33:03.320 --> 01:33:03.940]  Down here.
[01:33:07.520 --> 01:33:08.260]  Hold on.
[01:33:08.480 --> 01:33:08.660]  Hold on.
[01:33:08.780 --> 01:33:09.120]  Hold on.
[01:33:09.240 --> 01:33:09.520]  Hold on.
[01:33:09.660 --> 01:33:10.160]  Be patient.
[01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:11.420]  Be tolerant.
[01:33:12.280 --> 01:33:12.460]  All right.
[01:33:12.740 --> 01:33:15.300]  Complexity and Catastrophe, 68 books.
[01:33:16.400 --> 01:33:18.740]  Complexity and Resilience, 87 books.
[01:33:18.880 --> 01:33:20.960]  And I probably have read that book.
[01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:25.880]  And what it boils down to is real-time feedback loops.
[01:33:26.460 --> 01:33:27.000]  Okay.
[01:33:27.340 --> 01:33:31.020]  Government is incapable of real-time feedback loops.
[01:33:31.220 --> 01:33:35.220]  And government is incapable of seeing the whole system.
[01:33:35.500 --> 01:33:49.740]  And that guest review that I provided on bureaucracy in there, by one of the top academics on bureaucracy, essentially says that one of the problems with bureaucracies is that they continue to acquire interests.
[01:33:50.340 --> 01:33:52.600]  And basically, it's like adding on.
[01:33:52.740 --> 01:33:57.040]  You know, it's like you start out with a Toyota, and then over time, it turns into a tank.
[01:33:57.200 --> 01:34:02.140]  And you wonder why you can't get it to get to the supermarket on less than 1,000 gallons.
[01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:03.060]  Okay.
[01:34:03.060 --> 01:34:04.680]  And so, that's our government.
[01:34:04.940 --> 01:34:21.020]  And so, what turns out to be really, really important for resilience in the face of complexity is distribution and bottom-up sense-making and bottom-up alerting and all of this stuff.
[01:34:21.280 --> 01:34:26.360]  And so, really, what we have right now is a central government at the end of its life.
[01:34:27.760 --> 01:34:35.720]  And yet, we have not gotten the local governments to any point of coherence or integrity.
[01:34:36.720 --> 01:34:39.100]  And it may well be that we see secession.
[01:34:39.320 --> 01:34:41.680]  I mean, Hawaii is poised to secede from the Union.
[01:34:42.640 --> 01:34:45.360]  They managed to get an apology from the U.S. government into the congressional record, which essentially is an admission by the U.S. government that they invaded and occupied Hawaii against the wishes of the Hawaiians.
[01:34:55.700 --> 01:35:06.680]  I mean, Sarah Palin, if she had a little bit more smarts, would have stayed governor of Alaska and then become president of Alaska and made the Yukon and Northwest Territories an offer they couldn't refuse.
[01:35:07.280 --> 01:35:07.760]  Okay.
[01:35:08.500 --> 01:35:11.800]  Canada loves that setup.
[01:35:12.300 --> 01:35:12.760]  Wait.
[01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:14.760]  The Yukon and Northwest Territories?
[01:35:15.120 --> 01:35:15.760]  For sure.
[01:35:17.820 --> 01:35:18.300]  Eh?
[01:35:20.600 --> 01:35:21.200]  All right.
[01:35:21.280 --> 01:35:22.200]  Go on, sir, please.
[01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:36.080]  The one feeling I get from a lot of the talk from people about, you know, lack of centralized government is that it should be all about, you know, the lower tier people ruling the country.
[01:35:36.480 --> 01:35:42.840]  And I think a lot of times you, like when you say lower tier, it's like the populace in general.
[01:35:43.080 --> 01:35:47.260]  It's the people who are against, you know, people who are going to universities and having PhDs.
[01:35:47.400 --> 01:35:56.080]  It's the, you know, the whole Tea Party movement saying, you know, I don't think that's right just because they have a degree or, you know, just because they have a master's degree, they should be ruling the country.
[01:35:56.500 --> 01:36:06.560]  Well, the one thing I have to say though is, is a lot of this message that I hear being spouted is coming from corporations who are basically doing the same thing, but in the corporate fashion.
[01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:24.980]  And what's your view on that, the fact that the corporations are just trying to use the populace in some sort of message that's anti-government, when in fact it's the Weyloon, you know, Yutani Weyloon future of, you know, ownership by the corporation tells me my,
[01:36:25.080 --> 01:36:26.700]  you know, my pension and stuff like that.
[01:36:26.700 --> 01:36:32.260]  I think you're right, and corporations can be trusted even less than government.
[01:36:32.820 --> 01:36:35.120]  Forgive me, I have to scratch my back.
[01:36:36.900 --> 01:36:40.920]  This is now my swagger stick as well, you know, doesn't it make me look distinguished?
[01:36:45.220 --> 01:36:48.540]  This is Intelligence Collective.
[01:36:48.860 --> 01:36:51.280]  And there's like 68 books in here.
[01:36:51.980 --> 01:36:55.080]  Hidden Wealth of Nations, Global Shift.
[01:36:55.940 --> 01:36:57.880]  You know, this is Tom Attlee, I love him.
[01:36:58.000 --> 01:37:01.100]  He introduced me to the whole Seattle mindset.
[01:37:02.440 --> 01:37:14.640]  I tried to get my wife to move, and apart from the fact that she works for the CIA and has five years to go to retirement, she said tidal waves, earthquakes, and rain.
[01:37:16.180 --> 01:37:17.120]  Okay, f*ck.
[01:37:18.300 --> 01:37:23.260]  You know, I had brains, spirit, heart, but okay, living universe.
[01:37:23.260 --> 01:37:28.420]  Anyway, there's a bunch of really good books that you can just flip through here on this Intelligence Collective.
[01:37:29.000 --> 01:37:29.880]  It's really cool.
[01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:31.100]  This one's very special.
[01:37:31.660 --> 01:37:33.080]  Non-Zero, The Logic of Human.
[01:37:33.220 --> 01:37:39.520]  By the way, if you go to this website, and you just want to see the cream of the cream, go to Six Star Special.
[01:37:40.480 --> 01:37:43.300]  Ninety-four out of 1,600 book reviews.
[01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:44.340]  Okay?
[01:37:44.580 --> 01:37:48.700]  And just work your way down through those 94, and you've got what I think.
[01:37:48.740 --> 01:37:49.800]  Now, this is very interesting.
[01:37:49.980 --> 01:37:52.520]  This is a movie about Americans torturing Americans.
[01:37:52.520 --> 01:38:03.360]  And it's an almost exact split between the people with brains who like my review and the people without brains who think anything goes America, love it or leave it.
[01:38:04.320 --> 01:38:06.140]  And it's quite remarkable.
[01:38:07.040 --> 01:38:07.920]  What was your review?
[01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:10.840]  You'll have to read it.
[01:38:11.660 --> 01:38:13.520]  It was a good review.
[01:38:13.900 --> 01:38:17.140]  I mean, it was a review that talked about the meaning of the film.
[01:38:18.660 --> 01:38:28.640]  And one of the things that's so really frightening is the degree to which ignorance serves as a foundation for authoritarianism.
[01:38:28.640 --> 01:38:34.980]  I mean, if you're really, really ignorant, you can think you're really, really right, and not be.
[01:38:36.180 --> 01:38:40.440]  With that comment, though, and that movie, you can be on either side.
[01:38:42.220 --> 01:38:46.860]  Well, I personally have found that torture does not work.
[01:38:48.180 --> 01:38:50.800]  Torture causes you to chase false leads.
[01:38:51.860 --> 01:38:57.000]  Stuart Harrington, a colonel who was one of the top counterintelligence guys in the U.S. Army, ran a prisoner interrogation thing on an island off the coast of Panama.
[01:39:02.060 --> 01:39:05.740]  And he treated them like human beings with great dignity.
[01:39:06.040 --> 01:39:11.220]  And his record has never been equaled for actionable, verifiable intelligence.
[01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:12.460]  Okay?
[01:39:12.740 --> 01:39:17.000]  In Iraq, we sweep through neighborhoods and pick up 50 people.
[01:39:17.380 --> 01:39:26.600]  And they go to an Abu Ghraib and spend months before someone finally gets around to them and then eventually releases them.
[01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:32.900]  I just previewed a book called Surrender to Kindness, which is about Afghanistan.
[01:39:33.900 --> 01:39:36.080]  And it's a remarkable book.
[01:39:36.280 --> 01:39:45.680]  It's almost like a silent spring for how we interact with foreign cultures and how we use the wrong tool.
[01:39:46.360 --> 01:39:47.680]  Surrender to Kindness.
[01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:49.960]  It'll be released at the end of August.
[01:39:50.160 --> 01:39:52.020]  And it's really quite a special book.
[01:39:52.280 --> 01:40:05.320]  Why do we have to test that every couple generations when even as far back as the Romans, they knew that torture does not produce good quality intelligence?
[01:40:06.220 --> 01:40:08.720]  I've struggled with that for many years.
[01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:14.740]  And I really keep going back to Will Durant's book, Philosophy and the Social Problem.
[01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:24.260]  One of the things that Plato said, which Durant points out, is that the highest minister of the land should be the minister of education.
[01:40:24.760 --> 01:40:30.320]  And George Will has done a book of collected articles that talks about statecraft as soulcraft.
[01:40:30.320 --> 01:40:32.420]  Okay, we lost our soul.
[01:40:33.860 --> 01:40:38.600]  The United States of America gave it up after World War II.
[01:40:38.740 --> 01:40:40.700]  We were on the right track with the Marshall Plan.
[01:40:41.320 --> 01:40:53.620]  And then we let CIA go crazy with Nazis and too much money and gold certificates and Italian, Japanese, and German politicians on our CIA payroll.
[01:40:54.220 --> 01:41:01.220]  And basically, it became fashionable for CIA to basically f*ck around where it had no right to be.
[01:41:01.780 --> 01:41:07.360]  And so the clandestine tail started wagging the analytic dog to the point that CIA lost its mind.
[01:41:08.840 --> 01:41:10.260]  Panetta got all of my books.
[01:41:10.280 --> 01:41:13.040]  I knew Panetta was going to be appointed a week before it came out.
[01:41:13.420 --> 01:41:15.900]  And I got all my books to him at his institute.
[01:41:15.900 --> 01:41:19.460]  I made sure that they were delivered and that the box was open.
[01:41:19.500 --> 01:41:22.640]  And he just completely blew it off.
[01:41:23.220 --> 01:41:32.800]  And he was perfectly suited as a former director of OMB and as a former chief of staff of the White House to actually know what the president needed to know to be effective.
[01:41:33.060 --> 01:41:36.100]  And Panetta fell for the deal blow job.
[01:41:37.320 --> 01:41:40.200]  They just sucked him right in, forgive the analogy.
[01:41:41.460 --> 01:41:43.180]  He's lost his manhood at CIA.
[01:41:44.100 --> 01:41:46.120]  They have just eaten him up.
[01:41:46.740 --> 01:41:48.220]  Now, you know, that really is kind of graphic.
[01:41:48.440 --> 01:41:49.760]  But anyway, that's the fact.
[01:41:50.760 --> 01:41:53.400]  Panetta lacks balls and his dick has been cut off.
[01:41:54.260 --> 01:41:54.840]  Yes, sir.
[01:41:55.040 --> 01:42:01.920]  So I think you might have started, but top five books on your reading list that we should all in this room walk away and read.
[01:42:02.520 --> 01:42:04.140]  The two for sale outside.
[01:42:06.140 --> 01:42:08.640]  The signature is not worth any money.
[01:42:08.760 --> 01:42:10.000]  The signature is not worth any money.
[01:42:10.240 --> 01:42:11.000]  No, I know that.
[01:42:11.100 --> 01:42:11.540]  I know that.
[01:42:11.540 --> 01:42:13.500]  And the book is being sold at cost.
[01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:18.740]  I mean, 20 bucks for Unintelligence and 10 bucks for the new one, which I'm very pleased with.
[01:42:21.480 --> 01:42:23.320]  Durant, I would say, you know what?
[01:42:23.400 --> 01:42:24.960]  Two out of the five would be Durant.
[01:42:25.280 --> 01:42:29.460]  The first one is philosophy and the social problem.
[01:42:29.620 --> 01:42:31.880]  The second one is the lessons of history.
[01:42:32.240 --> 01:42:37.680]  And one of the things he says in lessons of history is that morality has a strategic value beyond price.
[01:42:37.680 --> 01:42:39.780]  And that's absolutely right.
[01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:47.820]  And this isn't about the pope's divisions because, I mean, we have a quasi-Nazi pope now.
[01:42:47.960 --> 01:43:00.440]  And we've had popes in the past that have been brutally vicious, authoritarian against liberation theology, which was actually one of the best ideas that Jesuits have had in the last century.
[01:43:01.920 --> 01:43:09.020]  Liberation theology could have saved Latin America and participatory budgeting in Brazil, which the Brazilian government chose to ignore.
[01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:17.720]  So, certainly Durant's philosophy and the social problem and Durant and Will and Ariel Durant's lessons of history.
[01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:21.940]  The other three...
[01:43:23.820 --> 01:43:24.960]  Absolute favorites.
[01:43:25.780 --> 01:43:27.320]  Is that a name of a book?
[01:43:28.340 --> 01:43:30.000]  No, your absolute favorite.
[01:43:32.020 --> 01:43:34.580]  Well, you know, I like Kuhn.
[01:43:34.640 --> 01:43:42.060]  I like Kuhn in part because his point is that until nothing makes sense, the old paradigm survives.
[01:43:42.560 --> 01:43:48.240]  And one of the problems that we've had is that people have been very, very lax about questioning the old paradigms.
[01:43:49.100 --> 01:43:52.160]  And so we've kind of been letting people go along with illusion.
[01:43:52.340 --> 01:43:57.820]  I mean, there's this famous quote from the White House where someone is trying to say, but reality is.
[01:43:58.020 --> 01:44:03.380]  And someone, possibly Roe or Cheney, is saying, oh, you must be one of those reality people.
[01:44:03.420 --> 01:44:04.060]  We're an empire.
[01:44:04.200 --> 01:44:05.340]  We make our own reality.
[01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:08.600]  Well, I was... I was... what?
[01:44:09.160 --> 01:44:10.040]  Dug Mike.
[01:44:10.980 --> 01:44:11.820]  Dug Mike.
[01:44:11.940 --> 01:44:12.000]  Dug Mike.
[01:44:13.640 --> 01:44:15.580]  The dumbest bastard on the planet.
[01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:16.280]  Okay.
[01:44:17.120 --> 01:44:18.580]  According to General Franks.
[01:44:21.200 --> 01:44:25.980]  Well, Trotsky liked to say, and I saw this quote in Toffler's book on war and anti-war.
[01:44:26.080 --> 01:44:30.040]  Trotsky liked to say, you may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
[01:44:30.040 --> 01:44:36.040]  And so I like to say, you may not be interested in reality, but reality is very interested in you.
[01:44:36.840 --> 01:44:37.360]  Okay.
[01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:39.020]  So you got to get a grip.
[01:44:39.380 --> 01:44:43.860]  And I think it's irresponsible of the U.S. government to ignore reality.
[01:44:44.280 --> 01:44:48.340]  And I think it's irresponsible of us to let it get away with ignoring reality.
[01:44:48.660 --> 01:44:57.120]  And frankly, I think we should drive every goddamn congressman out of office for having gone along with all of this.
[01:44:57.120 --> 01:45:00.140]  Now, the senators, we can only get rid of one-third of them.
[01:45:00.420 --> 01:45:05.660]  But I think we should literally flush the Senate and the House down the toilet.
[01:45:07.700 --> 01:45:11.540]  And I pause so that someone can make that a YouTube thing tomorrow.
[01:45:13.300 --> 01:45:15.140]  I think ideas on how...
[01:45:18.760 --> 01:45:20.060]  I wouldn't be here.
[01:45:21.080 --> 01:45:21.720]  What?
[01:45:22.220 --> 01:45:29.660]  No, no, you know, I've actually conceptualized getting some people together and creating a Google map of the Earth.
[01:45:30.080 --> 01:45:47.520]  And then having a plan where at a certain moment in time, a million tires are set on fire in exact geospatial locations that spell enough, with an exclamation mark, running from San Francisco to New York.
[01:45:48.240 --> 01:45:49.580]  That would be pretty cool.
[01:45:50.480 --> 01:45:51.320]  So organize that.
[01:45:54.470 --> 01:45:54.990]  What?
[01:45:57.370 --> 01:45:57.890]  Okay.
[01:45:59.710 --> 01:46:00.750]  Next, our...
[01:46:01.870 --> 01:46:02.390]  What's...
[01:46:05.360 --> 01:46:09.520]  Well, instead of the five books, why don't you read all 1,600 of my reviews?
[01:46:10.330 --> 01:46:15.100]  And then when we meet in two years, you can tell me what the five books are.
[01:46:16.780 --> 01:46:17.460]  Because...
[01:46:17.460 --> 01:46:17.980]  Huh?
[01:46:19.660 --> 01:46:22.000]  Yeah, you know, I struggle.
[01:46:22.240 --> 01:46:23.400]  I mean, it really... Durant...
[01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:25.420]  Durant really shines.
[01:46:26.300 --> 01:46:30.340]  Will Durant is just an amazing human being.
[01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:33.520]  And his wife was obviously a saint.
[01:46:34.500 --> 01:46:43.480]  But what they accomplished with their history of civilization, which I have not read, but I've read kind of the capstone stuff, has been absolutely phenomenal.
[01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:48.640]  And I would say Philosophy and the Social Problem, hands down, the first book.
[01:46:50.060 --> 01:46:51.480]  Lessons of History, the second.
[01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:54.360]  And I really struggled to name a third, fourth, and fifth.
[01:46:55.760 --> 01:46:59.220]  But somewhere in there, it's all about collective intelligence.
[01:46:59.600 --> 01:47:03.760]  And, you know, there's this whole literature, Wisdom of the Crowds, Groundswell, Here Comes Everybody.
[01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:05.240]  I've reviewed all those books.
[01:47:05.580 --> 01:47:09.920]  And what it boils down to is no one person has it all.
[01:47:10.040 --> 01:47:12.480]  And we've got to learn to think as a community.
[01:47:12.700 --> 01:47:15.340]  And that's my definition of God, is community.
[01:47:16.180 --> 01:47:17.700]  So, ma'am, you have a question.
[01:47:20.720 --> 01:47:25.560]  Questions about Obama's citizenship are now even in the National Enquirer in the grocery store.
[01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:32.000]  What have you heard of him giving up his citizenship when he was adopted as a child by his stepdad in Indonesia?
[01:47:33.630 --> 01:47:35.940]  I have heard a great deal.
[01:47:36.220 --> 01:47:44.500]  I cannot state with certainty, but I'm fairly certain that his citizenship was given up on his behalf by someone else.
[01:47:45.140 --> 01:47:51.440]  And I'm fairly certain that there's something going on in Hawaii that's been heavily paid for.
[01:47:53.250 --> 01:47:54.600]  I'm fairly certain...
[01:47:54.600 --> 01:47:56.300]  A lizard person, watch out!
[01:47:56.600 --> 01:47:57.100]  A lizard person, watch out!
[01:47:57.360 --> 01:47:58.740]  Me, forever!
[01:47:59.180 --> 01:48:00.500]  A meth from the holliver!
[01:48:01.700 --> 01:48:02.600]  I'm out!
[01:48:03.280 --> 01:48:03.720]  I'm gone.
[01:48:28.890 --> 01:48:31.230]  All right, I've been asked to keep going.
[01:48:35.990 --> 01:48:40.310]  What it boils down to for me, because, I mean, look at George Bush.
[01:48:40.850 --> 01:48:52.570]  The stuff about Bush and the Bush family that did not come out is basically an indictment of the media as a controlled press.
[01:48:52.950 --> 01:48:57.910]  And even the indie medias of the world were not able to make a dent and counterpunch and so forth.
[01:48:58.030 --> 01:48:59.370]  Too few of us read those.
[01:48:59.370 --> 01:49:01.390]  And there is no...
[01:49:01.390 --> 01:49:06.050]  I really love this whole flash mob thing, and I really like real-time Twitter intelligence.
[01:49:06.470 --> 01:49:08.530]  I've got a slide in here, a graphic.
[01:49:08.750 --> 01:49:16.070]  On Twitter, I can now see where everybody is and basically ask a specific person via Twitter, what do you see?
[01:49:17.090 --> 01:49:19.870]  Here's a quick true story, just stream of consciousness.
[01:49:19.870 --> 01:49:27.370]  When Clinton ordered a missile to hit the Libyan Intelligence Center, the intelligence community could not tell him whether they had hit it.
[01:49:27.910 --> 01:49:36.870]  And so, unbeknownst to them, he called the president of CNN, who called the CNN Bureau in Jordan, who called a photographer that they knew lived across the street from the Libyan Intelligence Center.
[01:49:37.670 --> 01:49:39.490]  And he said, yeah, it's burning.
[01:49:42.230 --> 01:49:47.590]  That's kind of a statement on the complete inadequacy of the U.S. intelligence community and the marvelous capabilities of independent verification.
[01:49:53.710 --> 01:49:56.130]  And somehow, we're just not getting it together.
[01:49:57.590 --> 01:49:59.290]  You know, you guys are...
[01:50:01.290 --> 01:50:03.190]  You guys are a small spike.
[01:50:03.450 --> 01:50:07.710]  I mean, there's a spike theory of change, which is you don't try and raise the whole society.
[01:50:07.710 --> 01:50:13.630]  You just kind of pop a little spike up and then another little spike comes and then eventually the whole thing.
[01:50:14.010 --> 01:50:14.050]  Huh?
[01:50:16.940 --> 01:50:17.540]  All right.
[01:50:18.200 --> 01:50:20.000]  Bottom line is I'm an optimist.
[01:50:20.160 --> 01:50:23.640]  I believe that we're getting close to a turning point.
[01:50:24.060 --> 01:50:27.100]  I'm really concerned about the cell phones hurting the bees.
[01:50:27.780 --> 01:50:35.460]  But at the same time, I think we're going to end up having not only cell phones, but local grids where we make our own power.
[01:50:35.460 --> 01:50:43.360]  You know, Buckminster Fuller conceptualized an electric grid for the entire world that is really well laid out.
[01:50:45.600 --> 01:50:52.580]  And it's just maybe we need to crash in order to move on.
[01:50:53.780 --> 01:50:58.760]  And I regret not selling both my properties in Washington when the market was at its height.
[01:51:01.400 --> 01:51:03.300]  And I read the long emergency.
[01:51:03.480 --> 01:51:07.740]  And I said, I'm going to sell out and move.
[01:51:07.840 --> 01:51:09.320]  And my wife said, the f*ck you are.
[01:51:13.020 --> 01:51:14.740]  So, it's kind of tough.
[01:51:15.460 --> 01:51:17.060]  And other questions, sir, or comment?
[01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:19.800]  Well, first of all, I think the bee...
[01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:23.020]  Personally, I believe the bee problem is kind of blown out of proportion.
[01:51:23.140 --> 01:51:38.360]  There's another study that was recently released which correlates the bee colonies diminishing with actually American farmers changing over to more of, I guess you'd say, plants that bees don't go for.
[01:51:38.360 --> 01:51:39.180]  I love it.
[01:51:39.420 --> 01:51:40.220]  I love it.
[01:51:40.280 --> 01:51:42.500]  And I absolutely agree that that's the kind of...
[01:51:42.500 --> 01:51:44.520]  I mean, we have to do holistic analysis.
[01:51:44.860 --> 01:51:47.200]  I'm not even talking about, like, genetically altered plants out there.
[01:51:47.340 --> 01:51:47.920]  No, I'm with you.
[01:51:48.020 --> 01:51:51.360]  There are lots of basic plants out there, like various...
[01:51:53.620 --> 01:51:55.760]  They're not getting the high that they're used to.
[01:51:56.200 --> 01:51:56.460]  Yeah.
[01:51:57.220 --> 01:51:57.720]  Thank you.
[01:51:58.100 --> 01:52:00.220]  Yeah, no, I'm completely with you.
[01:52:00.300 --> 01:52:07.440]  And that's where biomimicry and the whole real-time science and holistic understanding and all of this has to come into play.
[01:52:07.440 --> 01:52:08.320]  I mean, it's...
[01:52:08.320 --> 01:52:10.560]  I almost feel like we've just been born.
[01:52:11.100 --> 01:52:14.280]  And humanity has just kind of popped out of the shell.
[01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:19.580]  And we're now at the beginning of being a conscious species.
[01:52:20.280 --> 01:52:21.640]  Barbara Hubbard has done...
[01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:26.860]  Barbara Marx Hubbard, who, by the way, was the other vice presidential candidate with Geraldine Ferraro.
[01:52:28.720 --> 01:52:32.840]  So she's done a book on conscious evolution and she has a DVD on emergence.
[01:52:33.040 --> 01:52:34.360]  So did you want to say anything else?
[01:52:34.620 --> 01:52:34.800]  Yes.
[01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:36.660]  I actually had two other things I wanted to ask.
[01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:39.520]  One, your opinion on the whole nonproliferation.
[01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:44.300]  A lot of the countries around the world, the Nonproliferation Act was big for a while.
[01:52:44.460 --> 01:52:51.580]  I mean, but I mean, if anything, the situation in Iran is kind of, at least seems to me right now, it's kind of the inadequacies of it.
[01:52:51.660 --> 01:52:53.940]  It's like, it's kind of having a big bark with no bite.
[01:52:53.940 --> 01:53:00.920]  I don't see any way that we could, that we could stop Iran or any of the other countries from developing one without sort of going to war.
[01:53:00.980 --> 01:53:03.820]  And I don't think the issue is worth going to war over.
[01:53:04.140 --> 01:53:07.700]  So it's kind of like, I'm kind of at a point where I'm, I have to question myself.
[01:53:08.000 --> 01:53:09.680]  What is the point of nonproliferation?
[01:53:10.400 --> 01:53:13.020]  And I'm curious what your opinion on it is.
[01:53:13.360 --> 01:53:14.800]  First, then I'm going to sit down.
[01:53:20.510 --> 01:53:21.170]  Oh, no.
[01:53:21.470 --> 01:53:24.750]  I mean, I actually, I was going to wear a suit for you guys, but...
[01:53:25.310 --> 01:53:25.610]  What?
[01:53:29.230 --> 01:53:30.210]  There we go.
[01:53:30.410 --> 01:53:30.650]  Thanks.
[01:53:30.970 --> 01:53:31.910]  And I'll move over.
[01:53:33.170 --> 01:53:33.910]  How's that?
[01:53:34.230 --> 01:53:34.730]  Okay.
[01:53:35.390 --> 01:53:38.110]  There's a, there's a number of, of, of comments that I'll make.
[01:53:38.190 --> 01:53:52.570]  First off, the most serious proliferation problem on the planet is small arms, followed by the sale of military arms by all of the permanent members of the National Security Council, of the, I'm sorry, of the UN Security Council.
[01:53:52.570 --> 01:53:59.390]  The United States sells five times more arms than Russia does, followed by the United Kingdom and then China.
[01:54:01.350 --> 01:54:02.530]  We're hypocrites.
[01:54:03.530 --> 01:54:05.130]  And that should stop.
[01:54:05.990 --> 01:54:10.850]  We should certainly have a, a, a very strong military.
[01:54:11.610 --> 01:54:13.420]  We actually need four militaries.
[01:54:13.790 --> 01:54:18.710]  A big war military, a small war military, a peace war military, and a home war military.
[01:54:19.430 --> 01:54:22.030]  But we should not be arming other nations.
[01:54:22.350 --> 01:54:23.770]  That's just plain dumb.
[01:54:24.570 --> 01:54:38.710]  Uh, and however much we may argue that if we don't do it, someone else will, I think we will be stronger if we place our emphasis on building, uh, peace capabilities.
[01:54:38.710 --> 01:54:39.550]  I completely agree with you.
[01:54:39.630 --> 01:54:41.510]  But it was actually more nuclear, not proliferation.
[01:54:41.730 --> 01:54:42.550]  I was kind of...
[01:54:42.550 --> 01:54:43.470]  I'm with you.
[01:54:43.550 --> 01:54:44.770]  There's more nuclear in hospitals...
[01:54:45.830 --> 01:54:46.210]  Yeah.
[01:54:46.370 --> 01:54:47.770]  ...than we have any clue about.
[01:54:48.510 --> 01:54:56.450]  Uh, I mean, during the Olympics, our big fear was the University of Georgia nuclear reactor, which just would have made a fantastic birthday cake.
[01:54:56.450 --> 01:54:58.590]  Uh, you know.
[01:54:59.110 --> 01:55:19.430]  Uh, so, I, I think the whole proliferation thing is oversold, and I think one of the big problems we have is that, is that Iran has a perfectly legitimate right to not only have nuclear power, but we gave Pakistan, Brzezinski, gave Pakistan the Sunni nuclear bomb.
[01:55:19.990 --> 01:55:22.470]  Iran doesn't give a shit about the United States.
[01:55:22.470 --> 01:55:27.730]  They're able to suck us into taking out Iraq and Afghanistan anytime they want, because they know we're stupid.
[01:55:28.230 --> 01:55:28.630]  Okay?
[01:55:29.010 --> 01:55:34.010]  They're scared shitless about Saudi Arabia and Pakistan wiping out the Shiites.
[01:55:34.630 --> 01:55:35.110]  Okay?
[01:55:35.430 --> 01:55:43.990]  So, I would focus on making sure that there was clean energy available for everyone, that there was clean water available for everyone.
[01:55:44.210 --> 01:55:50.850]  Uh, and I would focus on, um, you know, Ron Paul has this foreign policy of peace and commerce.
[01:55:50.850 --> 01:55:58.450]  Uh, so, for me, proliferation is largely a waste of time.
[01:55:58.850 --> 01:56:06.710]  And we have no business talking when we can't even count our own nuclear missiles, and we lose them, uh, when they cross the country.

[00:00.000 --> 00:05.960]  What do you think of the danger of them falling into some small group, like Hamas, which kind of goes for the whole glorified...
[00:05.960 --> 00:09.760]  I am much more frightened of them being under the control of the White House.
[00:10.700 --> 00:13.480]  Oh, I didn't even think of that.
[00:13.720 --> 00:13.940]  Yeah.
[00:15.260 --> 00:16.580]  That's an original thought.
[00:19.740 --> 00:25.000]  So, you just made a reference to the long emergency by Kunstler.
[00:25.820 --> 00:29.760]  He also does a blog every week that's amazingly depressing.
[00:31.340 --> 00:34.080]  I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on Peak Oil.
[00:35.200 --> 00:40.080]  And Kunstler, maybe, because if I keep reading him, I'll just have to kill myself.
[00:42.520 --> 00:43.840]  No, don't do that.
[00:45.600 --> 00:47.240]  A super smart guy.
[00:47.460 --> 00:50.140]  I would love to have the privilege of knowing him personally.
[00:51.920 --> 00:56.480]  What really troubles me... I mean, I was educated in the 70s.
[00:56.620 --> 00:59.140]  And there was some very good work done in the 70s.
[00:59.140 --> 01:03.880]  The Limits to Growth by the Meadows and Jorgen Randers, who people forget was one of the co-authors.
[01:04.480 --> 01:06.720]  He actually came and spoke at Muhlenberg.
[01:09.160 --> 01:11.580]  And Richard Falk did a lot of good stuff.
[01:11.740 --> 01:14.580]  Barnett did the book on multinationals, Global Reach.
[01:16.640 --> 01:22.460]  And what I find these days with the authors that I'm reviewing is that they're reinventing old knowledge.
[01:23.340 --> 01:27.980]  The people who were educated in the 90s haven't read the books that were written in the 70s.
[01:27.980 --> 01:28.940]  Jane Jacobs.
[01:29.460 --> 01:30.660]  Jane Jacobs.
[01:31.160 --> 01:32.260]  Jane Jacobs.
[01:32.480 --> 01:32.700]  Jane.
[01:32.840 --> 01:33.300]  Jane.
[01:33.480 --> 01:33.800]  Jane.
[01:33.880 --> 01:34.120]  Jane Jacobs.
[01:34.300 --> 01:35.100]  Jane Jacobs.
[01:35.380 --> 01:35.440]  Jane Jacobs.
[01:35.440 --> 01:36.320]  What about Jane Jacobs?
[01:36.560 --> 01:37.320]  I'm just saying.
[01:37.920 --> 01:40.260]  Cities, communities...
[01:40.260 --> 01:41.500]  Or Paul Goodman.
[01:42.420 --> 01:43.180]  Communitas.
[01:44.880 --> 01:47.860]  We've really lost the ability to do literature research.
[01:48.060 --> 01:58.740]  And the Internet, for all of its glorious joys, has really kind of changed scholarship.
[01:59.480 --> 02:02.600]  I mean, Wikipedia has its pluses and its minuses.
[02:03.160 --> 02:10.360]  You know, I gave up on the open-source intelligence page because I just had too many morons trying to push an agenda.
[02:11.360 --> 02:15.440]  But on the other hand, some Wikipedia pages are absolutely a thing of joy.
[02:15.620 --> 02:20.660]  And Nature did a comparison of Wikipedia with the Britannic Encyclopedia.
[02:20.780 --> 02:21.440]  And Wikipedia won.
[02:22.140 --> 02:23.220]  That's pretty cool.
[02:23.360 --> 02:25.660]  Because that's the power of collective intelligence.
[02:25.900 --> 02:34.880]  The problem is I've decided that Wikipedia would be better served if anyone can create but only masters can destroy.
[02:35.240 --> 02:38.040]  Because we've got too many morons with editing privileges.
[02:39.160 --> 02:41.800]  And so that's holding Wikipedia back.
[02:43.840 --> 02:45.900]  And I have once again lost my chain of...
[02:45.900 --> 02:47.700]  I'm going to have to gung you guys.
[02:48.400 --> 02:48.840]  Sorry.
[02:48.840 --> 02:48.900]  Sorry.
[02:49.060 --> 02:50.080]  The question...
[02:50.080 --> 02:50.540]  Yeah.
[02:50.800 --> 02:52.140]  The question was about counselor and...
[02:52.780 --> 02:53.080]  Oh, yeah.
[02:53.220 --> 02:54.160]  Well, you know, okay.
[02:54.220 --> 02:54.740]  I love them.
[02:54.860 --> 03:03.600]  And the point that I'm making, the point that I started out to make before I lost my mind, is that we've known all this shit for 40 years.
[03:04.300 --> 03:05.920]  I mean, there is no question.
[03:06.080 --> 03:13.180]  And CIA did some very good work in the 1970s on AIDS and pandemics and infectious diseases and water and the whole bit.
[03:13.480 --> 03:17.800]  And it was against the CIA culture to do that because it didn't have any secrets.
[03:18.100 --> 03:19.940]  You didn't have to steal shit on AIDS.
[03:22.260 --> 03:26.580]  And the White House and the Congress deliberately ignored it.
[03:27.020 --> 03:32.720]  I mean, the Senate had hearings on peak oil from 1974 to 1979.
[03:32.720 --> 03:38.020]  And, you know, we went through that gas guzzler thing and small cars were in vogue.
[03:38.160 --> 03:42.080]  And then we snapped right back and started pumping out big SUVs.
[03:42.180 --> 03:47.040]  And we lack integrity in defining a truck as a car and a car as a truck.
[03:48.480 --> 04:00.280]  So I think, although the long emergency is absolutely credible, I think that we should not underestimate the genius of the human mind.
[04:00.280 --> 04:06.760]  And we should not underestimate the exponential capability of the human mind when it learns to talk to each other.
[04:07.900 --> 04:14.000]  And I think we should not underestimate the speed with which we can learn from and apply biomimicry.
[04:14.400 --> 04:17.400]  And other principles of sustainable design.
[04:18.720 --> 04:22.460]  And it may even come that it's like this massive global meme.
[04:22.600 --> 04:26.420]  You know, they talk about the monkeys in one side of the earth learning how to wash nuts.
[04:26.420 --> 04:29.460]  And all of a sudden all monkeys everywhere can wash nuts.
[04:29.660 --> 04:31.640]  You know, I take a lot of that stuff seriously.
[04:31.900 --> 04:33.620]  I think there is a newosphere.
[04:34.200 --> 04:38.360]  And I think at some point we might become collectively intelligent.
[04:38.560 --> 04:39.720]  Right now it's just us.
[04:41.420 --> 04:43.840]  But eventually I think it'll spread.
[04:44.160 --> 04:46.120]  So I am not an optimist.
[04:46.120 --> 04:56.420]  And in fact, as I was inscribing the new book for many people, most people I said, I have high hope for our shared future.
[04:57.680 --> 05:01.500]  If anything, this is an opportunity, in my opinion.
[05:02.240 --> 05:04.700]  I mean, it's easy to kill yourself.
[05:04.700 --> 05:10.320]  But I like to say, you know, a dead daddy or a live daddy without a job is better than a dead daddy.
[05:10.320 --> 05:14.600]  And so, on balance, I think we should keep every person alive that we can.
[05:15.260 --> 05:16.080]  Go on, sir.
[05:19.360 --> 05:19.800]  Okay.
[05:20.720 --> 05:25.060]  What's your opinion on China and its relation with Google and the entire thing?
[05:25.160 --> 05:27.240]  I mean, Google obviously pulled...
[05:27.240 --> 05:33.380]  Obviously, when Google pulled out, there were financial reasons that helped them make that decision.
[05:33.480 --> 05:39.320]  I won't say it led them to the decision, but it certainly had to give them some help.
[05:40.300 --> 05:43.440]  It's a very interesting conflict between two different worlds.
[05:43.840 --> 05:51.400]  I mean, one of the things China may not realize is that Google can make China disappear in cyberspace.
[05:51.820 --> 05:53.520]  And that's a lot of power.
[05:55.240 --> 05:58.080]  And that's power I don't want Google to have.
[05:58.760 --> 06:04.960]  At the same time, you have to... or you don't know this, but I finished high school in Singapore.
[06:05.940 --> 06:17.240]  And minister mentor Lee Kuan Yew, whose English name is Harry, and who was once called the best Englishman in Asia by a visiting British...
[06:19.320 --> 06:20.360]  Earl or whatever.
[06:21.640 --> 06:25.260]  He has spoken about demography, not democracy.
[06:26.200 --> 06:30.700]  And one of the things people don't realize is just how tough China is to manage.
[06:31.080 --> 06:34.400]  I mean, it's got over 300 water-stressed cities.
[06:34.940 --> 06:41.360]  And it's got some really big issues on energy and all kinds of things.
[06:41.640 --> 06:47.520]  And right now, I think the last thing that China needs is democracy, especially our kind of democracy.
[06:49.100 --> 06:57.100]  And so I vote for giving authoritarian governments latitude, particularly if they're making sensible things.
[06:57.260 --> 06:59.000]  I mean, China now has a stock market.
[06:59.120 --> 07:01.860]  They just did an IPO that is the largest in the world.
[07:03.000 --> 07:06.800]  On balance, I have learned over time to really respect the Chinese.
[07:07.300 --> 07:16.400]  I mean, I don't know if it's true or not, but from one of the French prime ministers was asked what he thought about the outcome of the French Revolution, you know, 10 or 15 years ago.
[07:16.400 --> 07:17.600]  He said it's too soon to tell.
[07:18.500 --> 07:20.420]  That's a very cool perspective.
[07:20.500 --> 07:25.300]  And I will point out that the Native Americans like to do what they call seven-generation thinking.
[07:25.780 --> 07:26.400]  All right.
[07:26.500 --> 07:32.000]  So I think we're at the end of the first seven generations and at the beginning of the second seven generations.
[07:32.460 --> 07:34.840]  And on balance, I'm optimistic.
[07:35.460 --> 07:44.380]  On balance, I'm quite certain that Brazil, China, Indonesia, Iran, Russia, and Venezuela are going to be major world players for the next 30 years.
[07:44.380 --> 07:48.680]  And there is not a damn thing we can do about their power.
[07:49.040 --> 07:59.820]  But we can do something about passing on lessons that we may have been unwilling to learn, but that we now must kind of articulate and communicate.
[08:01.360 --> 08:02.380]  Y'all tired?
[08:02.560 --> 08:03.200]  Have I worn you out?
[08:03.540 --> 08:03.900]  No.
[08:06.840 --> 08:09.540]  I'll stay here until there's no one else in the room.
[08:12.520 --> 08:13.980]  If no one else is going to get up?
[08:14.720 --> 08:15.220]  All right.
[08:16.740 --> 08:17.140]  All right.
[08:17.140 --> 08:17.680]  We got this guy.
[08:17.840 --> 08:17.920]  Cool.
[08:23.540 --> 08:24.800]  You know, I'll tell you what.
[08:24.920 --> 08:28.020]  I came back at my own expense from Guatemala from this.
[08:28.160 --> 08:29.420]  The UN does not know I'm here.
[08:29.640 --> 08:30.400]  Actually, they do.
[08:30.600 --> 08:32.060]  I got permission from my boss.
[08:32.060 --> 08:34.680]  I told him and he said, well, steal what you can.
[08:34.680 --> 08:37.960]  And I didn't explain to him that it wasn't like that.
[08:40.140 --> 08:43.100]  But you guys really charged me up.
[08:43.920 --> 08:45.960]  This is my play date.
[08:54.380 --> 09:00.260]  Well, I've been thinking about North Korea and all these dysfunctional and corrupted organizations.
[09:00.260 --> 09:06.120]  And I was thinking a practical way to solve that kind of organization.
[09:06.400 --> 09:29.500]  I was wondering how an honest person, if it would be possible, even if he has all the power, like the person of the United States, even if Obama was honest, if the whole organization was corrupted, would that actually affect that honest person in the government?
[09:31.370 --> 09:36.080]  I was also imagining like a gang of bikers, you know?
[09:36.400 --> 09:38.100]  And the leader becoming weak.
[09:38.340 --> 09:40.120]  They're gonna end up killing him.
[09:40.620 --> 09:40.760]  Mm-hmm.
[09:41.760 --> 09:46.960]  So is actually Kim Jong-in, you know, free of doing whatever he wants?
[09:47.210 --> 09:49.480]  Or he's actually a slave of his own organization?
[09:51.390 --> 09:53.860]  I find all of that very prerogative.
[09:54.040 --> 09:57.780]  And I don't know, so I can't really comment on North Korea.
[09:57.780 --> 10:04.520]  But one thing that I've observed with great interest is the encroachment of cell phones into North Korea.
[10:05.990 --> 10:19.240]  And one of our 24, 25 members that created the Earth Intelligence Network talked about how the cell phone has reduced the resistance, the arm resistance, stuff I don't understand, to zero.
[10:21.080 --> 10:27.420]  And frankly, North Korea, you know, I just have to marvel at the idiocy of the U.S.
[10:27.520 --> 10:27.810]  government.
[10:28.900 --> 10:39.450]  The ideological imperatives that cause us to leave so many troops as a tripwire in South Korea, and to basically try and punish North Korea and Cuba.
[10:39.980 --> 10:43.920]  You know, there are two sustainable agricultural models in the world.
[10:44.120 --> 10:46.450]  One is the Amish and the other is the Cuban.
[10:47.240 --> 10:53.080]  I mean, we force them to not do bad shit by embargoing all the bad shit.
[10:53.380 --> 10:54.710]  Oh, clever us.
[10:56.140 --> 11:03.640]  You know, so I think that this whole idea of surrender with kindness is very powerful.
[11:04.280 --> 11:18.720]  This book that I reviewed, which will be released on the last day of August, talked about this one man that would walk through Afghan villages with a red bucket and hand stuff out and in the perfect language...
[11:18.720 --> 11:19.680]  What's that?
[11:20.540 --> 11:21.840]  I can't read it.
[11:26.020 --> 11:29.140]  The sun rises in 45 minutes.
[11:34.970 --> 11:35.930]  Yes, we do.
[11:37.770 --> 11:38.650]  Yes, we do.
[11:42.310 --> 11:46.950]  I absolutely have to leave by 10, but I'm good until then.
[11:49.570 --> 11:52.790]  I mean, you know, but the record, I think, is four hours.
[11:53.890 --> 11:55.730]  So, anything over four hours?
[11:55.830 --> 11:57.430]  Oh, we just passed the record, I think.
[11:57.490 --> 11:58.190]  20 minutes.
[11:58.270 --> 11:58.450]  Yeah.
[11:58.850 --> 11:58.950]  Yeah.
[11:59.610 --> 12:00.070]  All right.
[12:01.130 --> 12:02.910]  Oh, it's a...
[12:03.830 --> 12:04.510]  All right.
[12:05.130 --> 12:06.190]  I'm still going.
[12:10.610 --> 12:11.050]  So...
[12:12.590 --> 12:13.470]  You know...
[12:14.150 --> 12:15.110]  Oh, red bucket.
[12:15.270 --> 12:16.230]  Thank you, thank you, thank you.
[12:16.270 --> 12:17.870]  See, the collective mind is good.
[12:18.650 --> 12:19.630]  I need you.
[12:20.250 --> 12:20.510]  I need you.
[12:21.770 --> 12:24.110]  And he would walk into this one village.
[12:24.290 --> 12:25.770]  It was a very powerful book.
[12:25.970 --> 12:33.230]  And he'd walk into this one village and this old guy would be at the other side muttering about, oh, they're trying to convert us to Christianity and all this jazz.
[12:33.230 --> 12:38.970]  And so he'd walk up to the old guy and he'd hand him a copy of the new constitution of Afghanistan in his language.
[12:39.390 --> 12:41.470]  And he explained it to him in a few words.
[12:41.610 --> 12:45.130]  And he said, for the rest of the day, the guy followed him around like he was the Messiah.
[12:47.470 --> 12:48.990]  We suck at communicating.
[12:48.990 --> 13:01.180]  And I'm just shocked at the childish, stupid, wasteful crap we call public diplomacy.
[13:02.630 --> 13:04.670]  And human terrain teams.
[13:05.010 --> 13:06.110]  And PSYOP.
[13:06.370 --> 13:07.030]  You know?
[13:07.210 --> 13:08.370]  It's just nuts.
[13:08.770 --> 13:13.650]  All we got to do is deal in the truth and keep our integrity and everybody wins.
[13:14.610 --> 13:16.990]  But we don't seem to have figured that out.
[13:18.270 --> 13:18.990]  Yes, sir.
[13:19.570 --> 13:26.090]  But my question was more about if our leaders are actually powerful.
[13:26.630 --> 13:28.270]  If they actually have the power...
[13:28.270 --> 13:29.030]  All right, let me...
[13:29.030 --> 13:29.530]  Yes.
[13:29.650 --> 13:30.810]  Let me come back to that.
[13:30.930 --> 13:36.690]  I don't think many people know, but Khrushchev and Kennedy had a back channel during the Cuban missile crisis.
[13:37.270 --> 13:41.830]  And both of them were having trouble with their generals who wanted to nuke each other.
[13:41.830 --> 13:50.330]  And the real hero of the Cuban military crisis was the Soviet submarine commander who refused a direct order to fire a torpedo at a U.S.
[13:50.450 --> 13:50.890]  Navy ship.
[13:51.810 --> 13:52.450]  Okay?
[13:52.770 --> 13:55.890]  And I mean, I think history is absolutely phenomenal.
[13:57.190 --> 14:00.650]  John Lewis Gaddis has written a book called The Landscape of History.
[14:01.150 --> 14:10.990]  And the whole bottom line of that book, and the CIA people hate my review of it, is that history is a denied area for us because we've chosen to be ignorant of history.
[14:11.850 --> 14:15.230]  We've particularly chosen to be ignorant of history written in other languages.
[14:16.050 --> 14:19.630]  I mean, this is the most naive, clueless society I've ever seen.
[14:20.190 --> 14:26.890]  Someone in South Africa on the street knows more American history than we know about any country in Africa.
[14:27.790 --> 14:28.290]  Period.
[14:30.330 --> 14:32.090]  And there's just something wrong with that.
[14:32.310 --> 14:38.030]  So, I think the leaders have more power than they believe, and I think they're also more timid than they need to be.
[14:38.950 --> 14:43.930]  I could save Obama's ass from this point forward, but I can't get to them.
[14:45.410 --> 14:46.130]  Yes, sir?
[14:46.570 --> 14:50.410]  Being an optimist, I like focusing on folks who are doing it well.
[14:51.070 --> 14:58.710]  And I don't really take much news in, but I did hear something about the World Peace Index done this year, and about New Zealand.
[14:59.170 --> 15:06.250]  And I'm curious if you have any insights into certain things that they have done being marked as the number one most peaceful.
[15:06.250 --> 15:08.510]  They're an island that kills Samoans on arrival.
[15:10.010 --> 15:11.210]  I mean, I'm sorry.
[15:11.310 --> 15:12.470]  That's really too flip.
[15:14.070 --> 15:15.030]  Well, I understand...
[15:15.030 --> 15:18.270]  But they are an island, and the men love the sheep, and the sheep love the men.
[15:18.510 --> 15:19.930]  And they really...
[15:19.930 --> 15:23.270]  Actually, they're having big crime issues.
[15:23.930 --> 15:28.090]  Because the Samoans are experimenting with being gangs.
[15:29.430 --> 15:32.870]  And that's a problem, because Samoans are really big and really bad.
[15:33.130 --> 15:35.290]  So is the World Peace Index just a crock of shit, then?
[15:35.290 --> 15:36.070]  No, no, no.
[15:36.170 --> 15:38.010]  I think the World Peace Index is very good.
[15:39.090 --> 15:40.770]  It's one side of it.
[15:41.110 --> 15:45.850]  But if you really want to do a World Peace Index, try addressing all the battered women.
[15:46.210 --> 15:52.490]  Try addressing all the people in the United States who live behind grills, who are prisoners in their own home.
[15:54.290 --> 15:56.110]  The bottom line is...
[15:56.110 --> 15:59.930]  I mean, I've built four or five strategic analytic models in my lifetime.
[16:00.510 --> 16:02.090]  It's a good peace index.
[16:02.090 --> 16:03.490]  It's certainly worthy.
[16:03.730 --> 16:06.090]  But it isn't anywhere near the whole picture.
[16:06.430 --> 16:10.850]  Now, it certainly helps that New Zealand is an island really far from everything.
[16:10.850 --> 16:16.810]  And one of the cool things to look at is the world in the Buckminster Fuller sphere.
[16:17.290 --> 16:20.450]  The Fuller Projection, I think it's called.
[16:20.610 --> 16:21.450]  It's on my website.
[16:22.410 --> 16:32.870]  Because what you see is that the entire South American and African landmass is a red zone of really screwed up places.
[16:32.870 --> 16:35.670]  And the only two green places...
[16:35.670 --> 16:37.450]  Actually, the green place is the North Pole.
[16:37.590 --> 16:39.370]  Okay, Iceland is the next boom town.
[16:39.830 --> 16:45.110]  There's 600,000 people there, and they are going to mine the gold of global warming.
[16:46.410 --> 16:47.090]  What's that?
[16:47.490 --> 16:48.590]  Well, they went bankrupt.
[16:49.070 --> 16:49.230]  Close.
[16:49.650 --> 16:50.750]  Well, not really.
[16:50.930 --> 16:54.430]  But they also just declared independence from Denmark, and Denmark let them do it.
[16:56.030 --> 17:01.470]  And so I think we're going to have a Northwest Passage, and we're going to see some real interesting stuff.
[17:01.470 --> 17:06.550]  And if I were the Northwest Territory and Yukon, I'd be telling Canada to f*ck off real soon.
[17:07.950 --> 17:10.550]  Because that's going to be a lot of fun.
[17:11.530 --> 17:18.530]  And then down in the South, Australia is actually poised to become the hub of the Southern Sphere.
[17:18.810 --> 17:20.270]  The real Southern Sphere.
[17:20.450 --> 17:20.850]  How so?
[17:21.250 --> 17:23.910]  Well, New Zealand, Australia, and the Antarctic.
[17:25.650 --> 17:28.690]  And there's just some really fascinating stuff happening.
[17:28.690 --> 17:36.110]  And then this Red Crescent, from where I sit, is desperately in need of a Marshall Plan.
[17:36.650 --> 17:43.110]  And our problem is that we've been too busy concentrating wealth, and concentrating wealth very badly.
[17:43.110 --> 17:46.570]  I mean, America has the top 1%.
[17:48.030 --> 17:51.750]  I mean, our wages are now back to pre-1960s levels.
[17:53.250 --> 17:56.670]  We've lost all the ground we've gained in the last 50 years.
[17:57.630 --> 17:59.150]  Labor unions are dead.
[17:59.150 --> 18:01.610]  We've spent 30 years exporting jobs.
[18:01.730 --> 18:05.610]  We've killed the blue-collar class.
[18:05.610 --> 18:08.170]  We've killed half of the white-collar class.
[18:09.910 --> 18:16.610]  So, the peace index is useful, but the strategic analytic model is more useful, because...
[18:17.290 --> 18:19.290]  Well, I don't want to get lost on the peace index.
[18:19.430 --> 18:20.270]  I guess what I was...
[18:20.270 --> 18:26.810]  What had drawn me to it was some of the notes of New Zealand's disarmament, which sounds like that's a pile of shit.
[18:26.810 --> 18:33.970]  Do you know anyone else who is leading disarmament of the military regimes and just the power that that holds?
[18:34.150 --> 18:35.010]  Well, Costa Rica.
[18:37.110 --> 18:39.690]  Singapore is doing very well with its small military.
[18:39.690 --> 18:43.430]  They're emphasizing naval interdiction and command and control and intelligence.
[18:44.150 --> 18:46.750]  Rumor has it that Admiral Poindexter is hiding there.
[18:47.630 --> 18:50.870]  And the total information awareness was exported to Singapore.
[18:51.170 --> 18:55.190]  That's also where all the American scientists go to do cloning and all that other stuff.
[18:55.190 --> 18:57.790]  Singapore actually recruits them from here.
[18:59.130 --> 19:00.890]  How are those movements initiated?
[19:01.130 --> 19:03.450]  Because I do envision that for ourselves here.
[19:03.650 --> 19:05.010]  I do envision a world...
[19:05.010 --> 19:08.090]  I mean, you say peace is the way, but then you also talk about keeping military.
[19:08.570 --> 19:09.170]  I don't see...
[19:09.170 --> 19:10.370]  He changed microphones.
[19:11.270 --> 19:11.630]  Okay.
[19:11.870 --> 19:15.490]  I love you, and I'm not being disrespectful, and you come back as many times as you want.
[19:15.610 --> 19:15.810]  Okay.
[19:16.650 --> 19:18.010]  I think this is like five.
[19:19.250 --> 19:19.970]  But anyway...
[19:20.890 --> 19:21.530]  Very clever.
[19:21.830 --> 19:24.410]  I'm not the only one, but I mean, if anyone else wants to come up and talk...
[19:24.410 --> 19:24.830]  No, no, no, no.
[19:25.150 --> 19:25.970]  I'm with you.
[19:26.070 --> 19:29.050]  And frankly, I mean, you've earned the A for today.
[19:30.210 --> 19:31.290]  And thank you.
[19:32.970 --> 19:34.930]  Costa Rica has done very well.
[19:35.110 --> 19:36.530]  But see, one of the problems...
[19:36.530 --> 19:38.950]  One of the problems we're having is that that can backfire.
[19:39.550 --> 19:46.870]  Because we have spent the last 20 years letting the Colombian and Mexican gangs build up multi-billion dollar war chests.
[19:46.870 --> 19:53.470]  And one of the things we found in Guatemala was we couldn't hire any local polygraphers because they all worked for the druggies.
[19:54.050 --> 19:54.570]  Okay.
[19:54.770 --> 19:59.190]  And we couldn't hire any technical security measures people because they all worked for the druggies.
[19:59.530 --> 20:00.050]  Okay.
[20:00.050 --> 20:02.510]  So we had to import people.
[20:03.330 --> 20:13.850]  And so one of the problems you have is when Mexico has a success, Guatemala and Costa Rica have a problem.
[20:14.090 --> 20:18.870]  And right now, all the drug processing labs have been moved up to Nicaragua.
[20:18.870 --> 20:23.350]  And Guatemala, Patan is now a narco state.
[20:25.390 --> 20:33.490]  And the whole thing goes bad fast because it used to be that the oligarchs would rent their landing strips in their big fincas for $20,000.
[20:34.010 --> 20:39.130]  And then the druggies started insisting on paying half in cash and half in drugs.
[20:39.610 --> 20:41.990]  And so the whole thing went downhill from there.
[20:42.090 --> 20:45.750]  And so now there's an internal market for drugs in Guatemala and elsewhere.
[20:47.350 --> 20:49.670]  And the police got corrupted.
[20:50.130 --> 20:51.610]  And there's no military.
[20:51.790 --> 20:57.930]  The military got demobilized and became the private security industry, which essentially is the hidden powers.
[20:58.310 --> 21:00.330]  These are the people that kill you if they're angry.
[21:03.550 --> 21:05.970]  Is one of those things so I can go pee faster?
[21:08.250 --> 21:09.250]  I guess not.
[21:10.830 --> 21:11.350]  What?
[21:11.450 --> 21:12.490]  It's not 10.
[21:12.750 --> 21:13.810]  It's not 10 a.m.
[21:13.830 --> 21:14.070]  yet.
[21:15.110 --> 21:16.570]  What's your f*cking problem?
[21:16.890 --> 21:18.630]  You guys running out of electricity or something?
[21:25.190 --> 21:26.570]  He's reading from a script.
[21:27.010 --> 21:28.330]  So what's your f*cking point?
[21:32.030 --> 21:32.910]  What's your point?
[21:37.600 --> 21:39.360]  It's been nice talking to you.
[21:39.360 --> 21:39.960]  Okay, cool.
[21:42.800 --> 21:43.540]  On now.
[21:43.790 --> 21:44.100]  No.
[21:47.070 --> 21:48.030]  And continue.
[21:48.270 --> 21:49.730]  Can I have a ride to the bathroom?
[21:53.750 --> 21:55.150]  I'll pee on your machine.
[21:57.830 --> 22:00.250]  I wasn't going to let you ride with me, but okay.
[22:00.910 --> 22:02.130]  You know you wanted to.
[22:02.630 --> 22:03.110]  No.
[22:03.310 --> 22:04.350]  I don't think so.
[22:06.190 --> 22:08.410]  Is there service in here in terms of ice?
[22:09.150 --> 22:10.270]  And like two more cokes?
[22:10.530 --> 22:11.510]  Ice is all gone.
[22:11.630 --> 22:12.650]  Ice is all gone.
[22:14.350 --> 22:15.630]  There are a whole bunch of floors here.
[22:15.730 --> 22:16.610]  I'm sure somebody...
[22:16.610 --> 22:16.690]  No, no, no.
[22:16.730 --> 22:17.330]  I'm fine.
[22:17.410 --> 22:17.790]  I'm fine.
[22:17.790 --> 22:20.550]  I'm not asking for that kind of personal service.
[22:20.650 --> 22:21.130]  But go ahead.
[22:21.330 --> 22:23.010]  Go with the mic and then we'll go over there.
[22:23.830 --> 22:25.630]  I just want to change the subject a little bit.
[22:25.950 --> 22:27.570]  Rupert Sheldrake and morphic fields.
[22:29.090 --> 22:29.490]  Clueless.
[22:29.830 --> 22:30.010]  Okay.
[22:31.130 --> 22:32.210]  Do you want to say something about it?
[22:33.450 --> 22:34.870]  Well, just repeat it then.
[22:36.910 --> 22:38.670]  Rupert Sheldrake is a biologist.
[22:39.250 --> 22:40.590]  And he talks about morphic fields.
[22:41.030 --> 22:41.750]  Electricity is a field.
[22:41.850 --> 22:42.570]  Magnetism is a field.
[22:42.610 --> 22:43.230]  Oh, absolutely.
[22:43.770 --> 22:45.650]  Your thoughts, your energy are fields.
[22:45.830 --> 22:46.690]  That's a morphic field.
[22:46.990 --> 22:47.870]  And it comes from biology.
[22:48.210 --> 22:48.810]  That's cool.
[22:48.970 --> 22:50.530]  I mean, I'm totally into...
[22:50.530 --> 22:52.670]  There's this wonderful book called What the Bleep Do We Know?
[22:52.670 --> 22:53.550]  I mean, it's a DVD.
[22:53.990 --> 22:55.390]  And it's very good.
[22:55.570 --> 22:56.430]  It's very good.
[22:56.610 --> 22:58.250]  I absolutely believe in paranormal.
[23:00.570 --> 23:02.210]  See, they're having too much fun.
[23:03.710 --> 23:05.910]  I would like to see Segway Polo.
[23:06.070 --> 23:07.370]  Has anybody done that?
[23:08.330 --> 23:09.650]  That would be really cool.
[23:09.810 --> 23:10.550]  That's Woz.
[23:10.710 --> 23:11.530]  Woz has done that.
[23:11.770 --> 23:13.070]  Yeah, that is really cool.
[23:13.230 --> 23:13.450]  Okay.
[23:14.530 --> 23:16.350]  No, I think we're...
[23:16.350 --> 23:19.090]  I mean, literally, this is almost like the beginning of humanity.
[23:20.530 --> 23:23.710]  It's like Noah's Ark just puked you guys out.
[23:24.070 --> 23:26.830]  And we're ready to start again.
[23:28.430 --> 23:33.670]  And I'm not sure we should do hackers HOPE every year.
[23:34.110 --> 23:37.910]  But it's entirely up to you guys.
[23:37.910 --> 23:39.850]  I'll come back if...
[23:39.850 --> 23:40.270]  Why not?
[23:44.030 --> 23:46.290]  You lose a certain amount of synergy.
[23:46.550 --> 23:47.250]  And I...
[23:47.250 --> 23:49.750]  Although I noticed we don't have the Europeans here this year.
[23:50.610 --> 23:52.770]  Rop Gonggrijp doesn't seem to be around.
[23:53.710 --> 23:54.190]  Um...
[23:54.190 --> 23:55.230]  You know what happened after?
[23:55.310 --> 23:59.350]  Well, he's probably committed suicide after the Dutch f*cked up the soccer final.
[24:00.390 --> 24:00.870]  Uh...
[24:00.870 --> 24:01.770]  But, uh...
[24:02.630 --> 24:02.950]  It was rigged.
[24:02.950 --> 24:03.670]  It was not rigged.
[24:03.770 --> 24:05.510]  Those assholes fouled too much.
[24:05.690 --> 24:06.010]  You know?
[24:06.130 --> 24:07.170]  I watched that thing.
[24:07.310 --> 24:10.170]  Because I knew I'd be interrogated when I returned to Guatemala.
[24:10.870 --> 24:11.350]  Uh...
[24:11.350 --> 24:13.270]  The Spanish won that fair and square.
[24:13.430 --> 24:15.510]  The Dutch just cheated themselves out of a victory.
[24:16.350 --> 24:16.630]  Uh...
[24:16.630 --> 24:16.870]  Yeah.
[24:17.550 --> 24:18.030]  And...
[24:18.030 --> 24:18.830]  It really...
[24:18.830 --> 24:20.410]  Yeah, they choked on two goals, too.
[24:20.570 --> 24:21.050]  Absolutely.
[24:24.990 --> 24:26.410]  Actually, that was a feature.
[24:28.850 --> 24:29.290]  Alright.
[24:29.530 --> 24:30.290]  So, another question?
[24:31.310 --> 24:31.710]  Yeah.
[24:31.910 --> 24:31.970]  I'm...
[24:31.970 --> 24:33.990]  I'm just taking a general look around here.
[24:34.090 --> 24:36.730]  But back when I used to be like a little sperm here, we...
[24:36.730 --> 24:38.830]  We had some issues with, uh...
[24:38.830 --> 24:39.810]  A place called Cuba.
[24:40.490 --> 24:42.410]  And there was like a little nuclear issues.
[24:42.510 --> 24:43.770]  A little bit of pig issues.
[24:44.830 --> 24:45.270]  Um...
[24:45.270 --> 24:46.330]  Many, many years ago.
[24:46.870 --> 24:47.250]  Um...
[24:47.250 --> 24:54.730]  The U.S., as far as I know, is still one of the few countries, perhaps the only, that still holds a grudge on that respect.
[24:55.650 --> 24:56.210]  Um...
[24:56.210 --> 24:57.890]  You know, for whatever reason.
[24:58.210 --> 24:58.610]  But...
[24:58.610 --> 25:03.510]  But how can the U.S. possibly have a high influence on a country like that?
[25:04.110 --> 25:04.670]  Uh...
[25:04.670 --> 25:06.490]  When everybody else, including, uh...
[25:06.490 --> 25:12.610]  You know, my Canadian friends, can nonchalantly go over there and vacation and have a great exchange and a great time and a...
[25:12.610 --> 25:13.750]  And kind of a...
[25:13.750 --> 25:14.670]  Welcome back to the 50s.
[25:14.870 --> 25:14.930]  Woo!
[25:15.410 --> 25:15.850]  Yeah!
[25:16.150 --> 25:17.610]  And they have a military base.
[25:17.610 --> 25:18.630]  I love you so much.
[25:18.810 --> 25:19.030]  And...
[25:19.030 --> 25:21.630]  And a wonderful military base, which I've...
[25:21.630 --> 25:23.290]  God, somebody get that woman's name.
[25:23.370 --> 25:24.130]  A handphone number.
[25:24.330 --> 25:24.770]  Uh...
[25:24.770 --> 25:25.690]  This is really great.
[25:25.870 --> 25:26.190]  Thank you.
[25:26.310 --> 25:26.970]  God bless you.
[25:27.010 --> 25:27.430]  Wow.
[25:28.130 --> 25:29.230]  You know, I'll tell you what.
[25:29.310 --> 25:32.130]  The babe factor here has really been good.
[25:32.750 --> 25:33.950]  I mean, this is the...
[25:33.950 --> 25:34.570]  Two...
[25:34.570 --> 25:39.290]  Four years ago, I loved it that we had hackers carrying babies and we had little hackers.
[25:39.290 --> 25:41.090]  And it was just kind of neat.
[25:41.290 --> 25:43.990]  But this year, it's like normal people have shown up.
[25:44.930 --> 25:45.370]  Uh...
[25:45.370 --> 25:45.870]  And...
[25:45.870 --> 25:47.170]  And it's been really remarkable.
[25:47.170 --> 25:49.310]  And I know a third of them are feds.
[25:49.690 --> 25:50.890]  But, uh...
[25:50.890 --> 25:55.490]  You know, at least they're smart enough now to send younger good-looking babes instead of the guys with...
[25:55.490 --> 25:55.770]  With...
[25:55.770 --> 25:59.970]  I swear to God, this is a true story from 1994 or 1996.
[26:00.750 --> 26:02.390]  Two Air Force security guys.
[26:02.590 --> 26:06.290]  Shaved heads, white t-shirts, shorts, and I do not make this up.
[26:06.290 --> 26:09.210]  Black Corp fam shoes, walking in lockstep.
[26:09.530 --> 26:11.010]  This was Air Force undercover.
[26:11.770 --> 26:12.450]  Hoo-yah!
[26:13.210 --> 26:16.290]  Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
[26:18.110 --> 26:18.570]  You're on.
[26:19.370 --> 26:19.870]  Uh...
[26:19.870 --> 26:20.030]  Yeah.
[26:20.170 --> 26:22.190]  We'll kind of flashback about five minutes here.
[26:22.390 --> 26:23.230]  Yeah, Cuba, right.
[26:23.510 --> 26:24.070]  Cuba, sorry.
[26:24.090 --> 26:24.350]  Thank you.
[26:25.910 --> 26:29.770]  In my age, flashbacks are as good as it gets.
[26:29.770 --> 26:33.210]  So the basis is, you know, here it is, the U.S.
[26:33.250 --> 26:37.170]  has got a legal embargo against Cuba, but nobody else really does.
[26:37.470 --> 26:38.370]  Oh, it's worse than that.
[26:38.370 --> 26:43.870]  The FBI was threatening people who had charts of Cuba, just in case a hurricane blew them ashore.
[26:44.690 --> 26:45.490]  The U.S.
[26:45.610 --> 26:49.590]  government was confiscating boats and airplanes that had charts of Cuba.
[26:50.630 --> 26:52.130]  What time will be?
[26:52.590 --> 26:53.070]  Why?
[26:53.390 --> 26:54.710]  How can this still exist?
[26:54.710 --> 26:57.830]  It's like Bill Clinton and his blowjob, because we could.
[26:58.890 --> 26:59.770]  I'm serious.
[27:00.990 --> 27:03.550]  Guantanamo is because they're letting us get away with it.
[27:03.890 --> 27:05.950]  I would give them back Guantanamo in a heartbeat.
[27:06.150 --> 27:06.610]  For money?
[27:07.470 --> 27:08.710]  Not even for money.
[27:08.850 --> 27:10.270]  We have so much to make up for.
[27:11.170 --> 27:19.410]  You know, the fastest way to kill communism in Cuba is to let the Miami mafia go back there.
[27:20.750 --> 27:21.390]  You know?
[27:21.610 --> 27:22.830]  He knows a new car.
[27:23.270 --> 27:23.750]  What?
[27:24.350 --> 27:26.150]  It's like casinos and new cars.
[27:26.330 --> 27:27.090]  Cuba will rock.
[27:27.330 --> 27:28.450]  Hey, I'll tell you what.
[27:28.550 --> 27:30.490]  There are some really priceless cars down there.
[27:30.670 --> 27:31.070]  I agree.
[27:31.170 --> 27:38.150]  I mean, I have a 1964 MGB, which is the last car I could understand, which my wife calls the goddamn little red car.
[27:39.770 --> 27:44.950]  But it's worth every penny of the $20,000 that I've put into it.
[27:44.950 --> 27:52.250]  And, um, no, Cuba, you know, I mean, Cuba, I mean, Castro's f*cked up in a lot of ways.
[27:52.250 --> 27:55.970]  Um, and the Cuban people have suffered greatly.
[27:56.250 --> 27:58.010]  But is it worth holding a grudge against?
[27:58.190 --> 27:59.650]  No, we don't have a grudge.
[27:59.730 --> 28:05.250]  What we have is an ideological cattle prod up our ass, okay?
[28:05.450 --> 28:07.450]  I mean, really, we're just stupid on Cuba.
[28:07.450 --> 28:11.330]  Uh, they've got some of the best healthcare in the world.
[28:11.330 --> 28:13.550]  They've really done some enormous developments.
[28:13.810 --> 28:23.030]  I mean, I anticipate the day when we're training nurse practitioners who go around in teams, you know, like there are 10 of them equals one doctor.
[28:23.390 --> 28:27.090]  Only each of them is really, really good in one area.
[28:27.590 --> 28:32.130]  And they do surgery, and we're doing telesurgery and the whole bit.
[28:32.350 --> 28:35.310]  I mean, we haven't even scratched the surface on what we can do.
[28:35.490 --> 28:38.930]  So bottom line on Cuba for me is get over it.
[28:38.930 --> 28:42.150]  But we've got to elect a government with a brain first.
[28:42.630 --> 28:44.290]  Uh, and that's really hard.
[28:44.690 --> 28:49.630]  Uh, there are too many things that are controlled by the multinational corporations and the banks.
[28:49.930 --> 28:52.370]  And sugar subsidies is one of them.
[28:52.990 --> 28:56.410]  Uh, you know, it's just a real mess.
[28:56.510 --> 28:59.190]  And so I guess my bottom line is let the truth come out.
[28:59.390 --> 29:01.610]  And eventually, it'll percolate.
[29:01.990 --> 29:03.210]  But you're absolutely right.
[29:03.310 --> 29:04.750]  We should not be embargoing Cuba.
[29:04.990 --> 29:06.950]  We should not be pissing off Hugo Chavez.
[29:06.950 --> 29:13.170]  Yes, we should be sucking up to him and using his money to make, uh, good things, uh, happen in Latin America.
[29:13.590 --> 29:19.210]  So, so when Castro finally kicks a bucket for perhaps, you know, the second or third times we've thought that so...
[29:21.190 --> 29:23.250]  Um, what do you envision will happen?
[29:23.410 --> 29:30.990]  Will somebody, eventually the light switch will go on and they'll say, hey, guess what, we have a new person in power, maybe we can court them and bid them?
[29:31.010 --> 29:32.550]  Well, we, we were all very worried.
[29:32.650 --> 29:40.830]  When I was in CIA, we considered Raul Castro a, a raving lunatic, lunatic with a melogomania, uh, however that word's pronounced.
[29:41.050 --> 29:41.670]  Yeah, thank you.
[29:42.350 --> 29:45.730]  Uh, but I think he's become kinder and gentler in his old age.
[29:46.230 --> 29:48.570]  Uh, they're starting to release political prisoners.
[29:48.570 --> 29:54.110]  They're starting to make every possible move to make things better with us, and we're not responding.
[29:55.070 --> 29:58.850]  Um, I mean, I personally am stunned that the U.S. State Department, uh, and the White House is, is continuing to be stupid about dictators worldwide.
[30:06.530 --> 30:07.350]  It's called Miami.
[30:08.190 --> 30:13.050]  Uh, well, you know, I actually, you, you, you make a very good point there.
[30:13.170 --> 30:16.290]  There are some Cuban exiles that need to have their visas revoked.
[30:16.290 --> 30:20.510]  Uh, actually, I think there are a lot of citizens who need to have their citizenship revoked.
[30:20.850 --> 30:22.890]  Uh, we have just blown it.
[30:23.330 --> 30:28.390]  Um, and, and one of the problems we've done is, I mean, it's like a repeat of the Nazi problem.
[30:28.830 --> 30:35.370]  We let all the nut cases in, and then they form a little mafia, and they make a little money, and they buy their congressman, you know.
[30:35.510 --> 30:40.730]  And, I mean, one of the problems Islamics have in the United States is there are like 43 jewish congressmen and one Muslim.
[30:41.230 --> 30:47.450]  Uh, you know, they haven't figured out that giving to bin Laden does not give them as much as giving to Congress.
[30:48.210 --> 30:51.610]  And, and so when they do figure it out, we'll have more Muslims in Congress.
[30:52.050 --> 30:54.630]  Um, so I, I, I love Cuba.
[30:54.750 --> 30:55.710]  It's got beautiful beaches.
[30:55.870 --> 31:00.630]  I dream of the day when I can go see our, uh, Hemingway's house there, which they've really kept up.
[31:00.750 --> 31:01.330]  It's gorgeous.
[31:01.710 --> 31:02.090]  Yeah?
[31:02.330 --> 31:02.530]  Really?
[31:02.670 --> 31:03.330]  Oh, that's great.
[31:03.530 --> 31:05.870]  I, I want to, I want to visit there.
[31:06.150 --> 31:08.050]  Come to Canada, then we'll take you over there.
[31:08.310 --> 31:11.230]  No, I've got a Mexican connection too.
[31:11.770 --> 31:18.910]  Uh, but no, I, um, I'm a law abiding citizen who, who, uh, does the best he can.
[31:19.030 --> 31:19.850]  So any more comments?
[31:19.930 --> 31:21.390]  I think you all look kind of worn out.
[31:21.510 --> 31:21.910]  Go to bed.
[31:21.910 --> 31:22.450]  All right.
[31:23.130 --> 31:23.470]  All right.
[31:23.610 --> 31:24.090]  Darn it.
[31:24.250 --> 31:24.750]  You keep telling me.
[31:24.750 --> 31:25.250]  Yeah, folks.
[31:25.410 --> 31:25.890]  Yeah, man.
[31:26.790 --> 31:27.010]  What?
[31:29.030 --> 31:30.010]  What, what did he say?
[31:30.790 --> 31:33.370]  Go to a mic.
[31:33.510 --> 31:33.530]  Go to a mic.
[31:33.530 --> 31:33.730]  I don't know.
[31:33.730 --> 31:33.990]  All right.
[31:34.050 --> 31:34.150]  Yeah.
[31:34.250 --> 31:35.170]  You have to go to a mic.
[31:35.370 --> 31:37.270]  Uh, but you, who are at the mic, go ahead.
[31:37.790 --> 31:41.930]  I was just going to ask, uh, what's up with the sociologist, uh, and the anthropologist I mean?
[31:42.070 --> 31:55.870]  The anthropologist, uh, a couple of years, a bunch of years back with Afghanistan, I thought I was, they could've done a lot of help with trying to, uh, change some of the military people from the inside, particularly since the military actually came to them and started trying to recruit them.
[31:56.070 --> 31:56.190]  Right.
[31:56.310 --> 32:05.350]  But it was the Anthropology Institute of America who pretty much said, any anthropologist at all who goes to help the military or advise on any issue regarding Afghanistan or Iraq will immediately lose their license.
[32:05.350 --> 32:09.130]  You're getting me so excited I'm going to have to pee again, but let me answer the question first.
[32:09.650 --> 32:15.630]  Um, number one, I've reviewed a couple of very good books on anthropology and public policy.
[32:16.090 --> 32:27.210]  And one of the problems that we have is that anthropology, the ethics of anthropology, is to actually understand the other people in order to engage them in a constructive manner.
[32:27.990 --> 32:35.270]  And the military, the military wants to use the anthropologist to lie to people, to understand how to lie to them better.
[32:35.850 --> 32:45.330]  And the most f*cked up program in the, and I've done this, this monograph on human intelligence, and one of the 15 slices is the human terrain teams.
[32:45.330 --> 32:49.330]  And that is apparently the most f*cked up unethical program in the U.S.
[32:49.730 --> 32:51.230]  government as far as using humans.
[32:51.230 --> 33:00.170]  And they're sending in unqualified people who are going in looking like Darth Vader, uh, saying, I'm here to help you.
[33:00.610 --> 33:01.130]  You know?
[33:01.410 --> 33:03.570]  And, and I mean, and they're stupid to begin with.
[33:03.710 --> 33:04.730]  They're not anthropologists.
[33:04.850 --> 33:11.010]  They're just someone who happens to need a job and said, oh yeah, I'm an anthropologist and I speak Farsi at the minus six level.
[33:11.270 --> 33:11.770]  You know?
[33:12.090 --> 33:13.430]  Or, or Pashtun or whatever.
[33:14.070 --> 33:14.590]  Uh, yeah.
[33:14.810 --> 33:16.430]  And, and so again, it's a money scam.
[33:16.910 --> 33:21.390]  And, and unfortunately, these people are not only getting killed, they're getting other people killed.
[33:22.350 --> 33:27.310]  Anthropology is probably the single most precious, uh, field of study right this minute.
[33:27.630 --> 33:30.250]  Uh, for the United States and for other countries.
[33:30.430 --> 33:31.230]  And we're blowing it.
[33:31.870 --> 33:31.950]  Um.
[33:32.830 --> 33:38.490]  So is there any way that we can convince or like, you know, drop the hint to the military, hire these people?
[33:38.690 --> 33:41.210]  They, they specialize in what you want to do?
[33:41.570 --> 33:44.730]  I, uh, have I already told you guys about the Somali thing?
[33:44.910 --> 33:50.290]  I did the Somali piracy study in, um, 2005 for the U.S. central command.
[33:50.410 --> 33:51.830]  I was, I, it was really good.
[33:51.890 --> 33:54.450]  That was one of my high years, 1.7 million.
[33:54.990 --> 33:57.630]  And, um, I studied Somali piracy.
[33:57.730 --> 34:00.050]  I said, we got to go in there and we've got to contain this.
[34:00.050 --> 34:01.670]  And, uh, nothing happened.
[34:02.070 --> 34:10.530]  And a couple of years later, I had a chance to talk to both the U.S. Navy irregular warfare guys and the special operations, uh, hunter killer teams.
[34:10.770 --> 34:13.750]  And I said, why haven't you guys taken care of the Somali problem?
[34:13.910 --> 34:17.250]  And the answer from both was almost identical.
[34:17.770 --> 34:20.090]  It's not an expensive enough problem.
[34:20.790 --> 34:21.350]  Okay?
[34:21.710 --> 34:37.530]  Now, Navy irregular warfare right now is spending all of its time trying to figure out what kind of shit it can fit into the five-foot-wide torpedo tubes of an SSGN so that the Navy can justify nuclear SSGNs as irregular warfare assets.
[34:38.810 --> 34:40.690]  It doesn't get any dumber than that.
[34:40.890 --> 34:48.290]  Uh, so, the problem is not getting anthropologists to be picked up by the military.
[34:48.290 --> 34:53.770]  The problem is getting a military that actually wants to do something, uh, with anthropologists.
[34:54.070 --> 34:58.690]  Please let me take a short break, um, and I will be right back.
[34:59.030 --> 35:01.910]  And I'm quite serious about staying here until 10 o'clock.
[35:02.310 --> 35:03.050]  Yeah, around the corner.
[35:03.350 --> 35:03.830]  Sweet!
[35:04.010 --> 35:04.930]  But you won't make it.
[35:23.150 --> 35:32.410]  When your own government refuses to hire you, you guys are the next best thing.
[35:33.090 --> 35:44.090]  No, that's true, but I just reviewed a book called The Hidden Wealth of Nations, and it's written by a very smart guy who was a strategy advisor to Blair.
[35:44.090 --> 35:47.310]  And he talks about intangible wealth.
[35:47.570 --> 35:53.650]  And getting along and sharing information is a huge, huge wealth creator.
[35:54.270 --> 35:55.690]  And we're not good at that.
[35:56.470 --> 36:01.590]  We've really messed up our suburbs and our cities and we've lost community.
[36:01.910 --> 36:05.230]  I mean, Paul Goodman's Communitas is still a very, very good read.
[36:05.730 --> 36:08.550]  So let's go here in front and then we'll come to you, sir.
[36:08.550 --> 36:13.750]  Your strong opinions about board billionaire mayors in the city of New York?
[36:15.110 --> 36:17.350]  I think Bloomberg can be saved.
[36:19.150 --> 36:21.450]  I really... I read Bloomberg on Bloomberg.
[36:21.670 --> 36:22.370]  It's a very good book.
[36:22.470 --> 36:24.750]  The man is a very smart businessman.
[36:25.090 --> 36:27.110]  He's a very stupid politician.
[36:28.470 --> 36:32.250]  He lucked out with Jackie Salick and the independent movement.
[36:32.430 --> 36:33.690]  They gave him that election.
[36:33.690 --> 36:37.510]  And he betrayed them by insisting on a third term.
[36:37.690 --> 36:39.270]  Now, I won't hold that against him.
[36:39.730 --> 36:43.590]  But I watched Bloomberg make an ass of himself in Oklahoma.
[36:45.110 --> 36:49.830]  He appeared in the so-called bipartisan panel with David Boren.
[36:50.150 --> 36:57.610]  And of all the people there, the only two that were still alive were Bloomberg and Sam Nunn.
[36:57.610 --> 36:58.490]  Okay?
[36:58.790 --> 36:59.710]  You had Cohen.
[37:00.610 --> 37:02.130]  You had Senator Graham.
[37:02.430 --> 37:05.290]  You had other losers I can't even remember.
[37:05.630 --> 37:16.510]  And Bloomberg had no idea that everybody in the audience understood that this was the two-party tyranny making a mockery of any possibility of his being a president.
[37:16.790 --> 37:25.530]  And had he had half a brain, he would have actually done what I suggested, because he did send me a thank you note, and then blew me off.
[37:26.290 --> 37:27.590]  I sent him a binder.
[37:27.590 --> 37:38.230]  I said, you need a coalition sunshine cabinet while you are mayor of New York to demonstrate that you can create a balanced budget for the government of the United States with sensible policies across these 12 areas.
[37:38.250 --> 37:39.370]  It doesn't get any simple.
[37:39.470 --> 37:41.090]  I handed him f*cking country on a plate.
[37:41.750 --> 37:43.110]  And he didn't want it.
[37:44.570 --> 37:53.150]  So, if anybody here is sleeping with Bloomberg or talking to him, Robert Steele still loves him.
[37:53.150 --> 37:57.190]  And he can be president, but he's going to have to think some new thoughts.
[38:00.460 --> 38:01.060]  Yes, sir.
[38:01.280 --> 38:02.000]  In the back, yeah.
[38:03.060 --> 38:03.560]  Oh, shoot.
[38:03.560 --> 38:04.320]  I'm starting to fade out.
[38:04.420 --> 38:06.840]  I wonder if I'm able to formulate this question.
[38:06.960 --> 38:07.660]  But okay, here we go.
[38:07.740 --> 38:08.440]  I'm going to give it a try.
[38:10.660 --> 38:17.440]  So, as I'm told, the Department of Defense is the biggest funder of basic research in computer science and mathematics.
[38:17.720 --> 38:17.940]  Yes.
[38:18.220 --> 38:20.100]  Which is strange, but true.
[38:21.540 --> 38:24.080]  So, I think the question was supposed to go something like this.
[38:25.560 --> 38:29.200]  Now, on the one hand, that kind of research produces highly fragmented results.
[38:29.340 --> 38:29.520]  Right.
[38:29.740 --> 38:30.460]  But it tends to...
[38:30.460 --> 38:30.840]  And classified.
[38:31.200 --> 38:33.580]  Yeah, and classified, so nobody gets to read them half the time.
[38:33.720 --> 38:34.900]  Not all of them, but a lot of them.
[38:34.980 --> 38:35.140]  Right.
[38:35.220 --> 38:35.740]  Most of them.
[38:36.580 --> 38:42.520]  So, then the question becomes, do you think, in a decentralized model, you can still produce those kinds of deep results?
[38:42.720 --> 38:50.180]  And do you think you can do it without everyone having to squabble for patronage from, you know, the cash cow that's the Department of Defense?
[38:50.500 --> 38:51.640]  Especially in academia.
[38:53.060 --> 38:54.060]  Especially in academia.
[38:54.320 --> 38:54.460]  Yeah.
[38:56.260 --> 39:01.420]  Chuck Spinney is a good friend of mine, and we had lunch in November or two ago.
[39:01.640 --> 39:04.820]  And Chuck told me something that has been burned in my brain.
[39:04.820 --> 39:15.140]  He said, the Department of Defense has caused the United States of America to raise an entire generation of engineers who know nothing other than government spec cost plus.
[39:15.880 --> 39:19.300]  Which is about the dumbest ass way to ever build anything.
[39:19.780 --> 39:28.000]  Particularly since about 1986, the government forgot how to do functional requirements analysis and statements of work.
[39:28.480 --> 39:31.700]  And so, they hire contractors to do the statements of work.
[39:31.820 --> 39:37.180]  And of course, the contractors write statements of work that demand that the government buy everything they can't sell to anyone else.
[39:37.780 --> 39:38.260]  Okay?
[39:38.260 --> 39:38.340]  Okay?
[39:38.480 --> 39:42.320]  Including all the people who are on overhead and need to be on direct.
[39:44.420 --> 39:44.940]  Um...
[39:44.940 --> 39:53.400]  I think also that while DOD has done some really excellent things, across the board, the United States has become a culture of cheaters.
[39:53.800 --> 39:56.040]  There's actually a book called A Culture of Cheating.
[39:56.040 --> 39:58.640]  And universities have sold out.
[39:59.040 --> 40:00.160]  They've commercialized.
[40:00.880 --> 40:01.240]  Um...
[40:01.600 --> 40:02.880]  Tenure has been abused.
[40:03.560 --> 40:03.880]  Uh...
[40:03.880 --> 40:08.520]  The students are skating by, not actually being forced to produce anything intelligent.
[40:09.420 --> 40:10.040]  Um...
[40:10.040 --> 40:10.940]  Anyone else?
[40:22.840 --> 40:26.080]  Actually, I have a boss that needs an undergraduate degree.
[40:26.080 --> 40:26.820]  There you go.
[40:27.160 --> 40:27.920]  There's a tetraps.
[40:28.000 --> 40:29.820]  But it has to stand up to scrutiny.
[40:30.680 --> 40:30.700]  What?
[40:30.700 --> 40:31.060]  You can what?
[40:31.200 --> 40:32.300]  Work the FedEx machine?
[40:32.500 --> 40:32.780]  Huh?
[40:33.100 --> 40:34.360]  You can work the photocopier?
[40:39.600 --> 40:41.480]  It'll make small for a hundred bucks.
[40:41.680 --> 40:42.160]  That's not good.
[40:42.280 --> 40:42.460]  What?
[40:44.080 --> 40:46.460]  He's saying I can only speak for 15 more minutes?
[40:46.640 --> 40:50.440]  It says who?
[40:52.000 --> 40:53.500]  Do you hate the truth?
[40:59.200 --> 41:01.080]  I don't give a shit about that.
[41:01.180 --> 41:05.840]  I mean, if the hotel is saying that for fire reasons we have to close this...
[41:07.180 --> 41:10.080]  Well, then I think they have to close Radio Statler, don't they?
[41:10.140 --> 41:11.260]  No, I think we're open.
[41:14.220 --> 41:16.540]  Why don't you bring this to Emmanuel's attention?
[41:16.560 --> 41:19.020]  Because he knows we're going for a six-hour record.
[41:19.020 --> 41:24.020]  And the six hours is in 45 minutes.
[41:24.920 --> 41:25.140]  Okay.
[41:28.100 --> 41:29.300]  All right, we're good.
[41:29.900 --> 41:30.740]  We're good.
[41:33.020 --> 41:34.720]  So, where were we?
[41:37.080 --> 41:38.980]  Are we keeping anyone awake?
[41:39.180 --> 41:39.460]  No.
[41:39.860 --> 41:41.100]  We want to be awake.
[41:41.620 --> 41:42.260]  Who?
[41:43.020 --> 41:43.640]  No.
[41:44.180 --> 41:46.540]  Okay, I mean, I don't think we're bothering anybody.
[41:48.900 --> 41:50.300]  All right, so go on.
[41:50.600 --> 41:54.980]  I mean, I'll stop when I'm ordered to stop, but the only guy here that outranks me is Emmanuel.
[41:56.240 --> 41:56.640]  So...
[41:58.420 --> 41:58.820]  Yeah.
[41:59.140 --> 42:02.880]  And also, he gave me permission, I think, to go with the six-hour thing.
[42:02.960 --> 42:06.020]  If you guys read in the book, it says we're going for six hours.
[42:09.240 --> 42:09.640]  So...
[42:10.260 --> 42:12.780]  Six is good, but eight I can live with.
[42:12.860 --> 42:13.220]  Ten o'clock.
[42:13.600 --> 42:13.760]  Yeah.
[42:14.980 --> 42:15.340]  Um...
[42:15.340 --> 42:15.720]  Yes, sir.
[42:16.520 --> 42:41.560]  Yeah, I think a lot of the areas here have been kind of like shades of gray, but I wanted to ask your opinion of, first of all, President Obama as being a half-worked American and how that plays into the fact that that's worked him into the presidency and perhaps it's given some immunity politically for whatever he's done wrong or hasn't done,
[42:41.700 --> 42:43.240]  perhaps, BP.
[42:45.280 --> 42:53.980]  and how that kind of plays into things and how that may play into things in the future of having, you know, the unforbidden, you know, we can't talk about that.
[42:54.060 --> 42:54.420]  Well, he's...
[42:54.420 --> 42:55.960]  No, he's conflicted.
[42:56.740 --> 42:57.160]  Uh...
[42:57.160 --> 42:59.340]  I love the black half of Obama.
[42:59.960 --> 43:00.480]  Uh...
[43:00.480 --> 43:01.240]  That's the half...
[43:02.000 --> 43:02.520]  That's...
[43:02.520 --> 43:03.140]  No, I'm serious.
[43:03.500 --> 43:04.240]  That's respectable, really.
[43:04.400 --> 43:04.680]  I've...
[43:04.680 --> 43:06.100]  I've thought about him a lot.
[43:07.140 --> 43:07.660]  Um...
[43:07.660 --> 43:07.940]  Uh...
[43:07.940 --> 43:08.820]  Because I...
[43:08.820 --> 43:13.220]  I really felt that he could have been a change agent, but he sold out.
[43:14.060 --> 43:14.580]  Um...
[43:14.580 --> 43:22.520]  And he also didn't have anyone he could trust near him that would tell him that the dumbest thing he could do was put Rahm Emanuel in the White House.
[43:23.860 --> 43:24.380]  Um...
[43:24.380 --> 43:25.420]  You know, so...
[43:25.420 --> 43:27.080]  So, I mean, he basically...
[43:27.080 --> 43:30.440]  And he's got General Jones, who's the most senior clerk in the U.S.
[43:30.580 --> 43:30.800]  government.
[43:31.460 --> 43:31.720]  Okay?
[43:32.640 --> 43:33.160]  Uh...
[43:33.160 --> 43:37.800]  Jones has confused loyalty with integrity and staff work with thinking.
[43:38.160 --> 43:38.460]  And...
[43:38.460 --> 43:43.140]  These guys are absolutely worthless in terms of actually helping Obama be a great president.
[43:44.400 --> 43:44.940]  Um...
[43:44.940 --> 43:51.080]  But Obama is basically counting the days to when he can join Bill Bradley at Allen & Company.
[43:51.680 --> 43:52.140]  Uh...
[43:52.140 --> 43:55.280]  So he's sold out for money, and he doesn't give a shit about us.
[43:55.340 --> 43:59.780]  But his black half is the half that had one authentic moment.
[43:59.780 --> 44:05.100]  And that's when he said he could no more renounce Reverend Wright than he could renounce his own mother.
[44:05.900 --> 44:09.940]  That was a moment of deep, deep integrity.
[44:10.420 --> 44:12.080]  And he gave it up.
[44:12.320 --> 44:16.300]  His white half is so f*cked up, I'm ashamed of him.
[44:19.040 --> 44:20.740]  But didn't he turn on that guy later?
[44:21.380 --> 44:22.640]  And when...
[44:22.640 --> 44:23.340]  Yes, he did.
[44:23.600 --> 44:24.380]  He turned on him later.
[44:24.500 --> 44:25.260]  He turned on him later.
[44:25.400 --> 44:28.500]  But one of the things people don't realize is Reverend Wright was quoting a U.S. ambassador.
[44:30.540 --> 44:36.540]  And the reality is the United States has done some really terrible things in our name.
[44:36.960 --> 44:41.560]  I mean, there's a list of over 200 things that we've done, incursions and so forth.
[44:41.600 --> 44:46.740]  And oh, by the way, we stopped asking Congress for permission of war 200 wars ago.
[44:47.640 --> 44:48.200]  Okay?
[44:48.200 --> 44:49.820]  I mean, the U.S. government is out of control.
[44:52.380 --> 44:54.560]  Congress has given up its integrity.
[44:54.940 --> 45:04.400]  I think every single senator and every single congressman should be put on the street for the next three election cycles so we can churn the Senate.
[45:05.920 --> 45:08.260]  Can you elaborate more on Ron Emanuel?
[45:08.480 --> 45:09.620]  Why was the wrong choice?
[45:11.780 --> 45:14.260]  He's a vicious, unethical little motherf*cker.
[45:19.090 --> 45:19.810]  That's it?
[45:20.650 --> 45:21.830]  I think that's enough.
[45:22.110 --> 45:22.630]  All right.
[45:26.860 --> 45:27.220]  Okay.
[45:27.780 --> 45:31.740]  I missed a good chunk of the first part of your talk.
[45:31.900 --> 45:33.800]  So I apologize in advance if I'm repeating anything.
[45:33.820 --> 45:33.900]  That's okay.
[45:34.300 --> 45:35.740]  I'll bring you up to date.
[45:35.960 --> 45:37.140]  It'll take about an hour and a half.
[45:37.220 --> 45:37.440]  Okay.
[45:38.820 --> 45:40.700]  Are you familiar with a book called...
[45:40.700 --> 45:42.460]  I think it was called The Economic Hitman?
[45:42.940 --> 45:43.540]  Oh, yeah.
[45:43.540 --> 45:44.080]  I love it.
[45:44.900 --> 45:46.420]  It's 80% accurate.
[45:46.700 --> 45:48.100]  I don't think he worked for NSA.
[45:48.880 --> 45:50.560]  NSA doesn't do shit like that.
[45:51.660 --> 45:57.840]  I think that there are portions of the book that I consider highly questionable.
[45:58.160 --> 46:00.680]  But I gave it a very strong review.
[46:01.720 --> 46:14.420]  And in fact, where he's most credible is on things like corporations using fraudulent religious organizations to go in and basically poison a village or get a village to move off a mountain.
[46:14.420 --> 46:22.340]  And the other thing that people do is they pay a Peruvian colonel a million dollars to have his battalion move a village off a mountain.
[46:22.500 --> 46:28.720]  And then a Canadian company comes in and takes all the gold out and pays no significant export tax.
[46:28.720 --> 46:33.280]  I mean, we've been looting the third world for over a century.
[46:34.800 --> 46:39.500]  And that's one of the things that kills me because there is plenty of wealth on this planet for everybody.
[46:40.680 --> 46:46.300]  And there's one guy that walks around saying that we really need to have a guaranteed income for everybody.
[46:46.580 --> 46:56.700]  And although I think the Lord's Prayer is one of the most oversold, incoherent prayers I've ever heard, it seems to work for a lot of people.
[46:56.700 --> 46:58.660]  And in there it talks about daily bread.
[46:59.820 --> 47:06.560]  And there's no question in my mind that if people have dignity and food, they're not going to kill each other.
[47:07.880 --> 47:09.240]  And so we're...
[47:09.780 --> 47:10.980]  Yes, yes.
[47:11.320 --> 47:16.280]  And that's where I really emphasize that the human brain is the one inexhaustible resource we have.
[47:17.420 --> 47:18.520]  But I want my new car.
[47:19.980 --> 47:25.540]  Well, you can have it, you can have it, but you have to be content to just look at it on a shelf.
[47:30.810 --> 47:50.490]  Okay, so now along the lines of that book, I guess what my question is, is now, is the way the book was laid out where basically these corporations were taking advantage of developing countries to get underneath the thumb of the World Bank, is that like an intentional manipulation of the country from the U.S.
[47:50.610 --> 47:52.610]  government side of things, or is it more...
[47:52.610 --> 47:53.390]  No, that's corporate.
[47:53.630 --> 47:55.310]  So it's capitalism just raping and pillaging.
[47:55.310 --> 48:06.530]  Well, yeah, and Richard Barnett wrote the original book on this called Global Reach in the 1970s, about 1974.
[48:07.150 --> 48:21.570]  And my senior thesis at Muhlenberg was on multinational corporations and home host country issues, including things like multiple books, creating subsidiaries so that they could move money, and so forth.
[48:22.630 --> 48:31.130]  What really happened here, and as I see it, the United States failed to help other governments govern.
[48:31.130 --> 48:36.390]  And as a result, multinational corporations became a new power on the planet.
[48:36.930 --> 48:47.310]  And it was a power that could avoid regulation, because we failed to internationalize services of common concern and regulations of common good.
[48:47.310 --> 48:49.630]  And then crime came up.
[48:49.890 --> 48:51.670]  And it's very interesting to me.
[48:51.770 --> 48:54.510]  Moises Naim has written a very good book called Illicit.
[48:55.450 --> 49:03.710]  The criminal economy is roughly $2 trillion, almost exactly 50% of which goes to government officials.
[49:04.230 --> 49:04.950]  Hmm.
[49:06.270 --> 49:06.990]  That's corruption.
[49:14.310 --> 49:15.730]  Try reading the book.
[49:16.290 --> 49:17.990]  Okay, so one more thing.
[49:18.130 --> 49:30.010]  So now, it seems like that's the culture now where it's based off capitalism, where if you go back a couple hundred years to the 1800s, it seemed like almost like a hobby for U.S. political officials to either fund or build up armies in South America to overthrow governments.
[49:36.970 --> 49:39.390]  I don't necessarily know if that was for fun or profit, but...
[49:39.390 --> 49:43.490]  Well, read my review of Tim Weiner's Legacy of Ashes.
[49:44.510 --> 49:47.690]  And there's also several other books on regime change.
[49:47.850 --> 49:50.530]  And Chalmers Johnson has written Sorrows of Empire.
[49:51.850 --> 49:52.890]  Noam Chomsky.
[49:53.050 --> 49:55.130]  Chomsky has written Because We Say So.
[49:55.310 --> 49:56.950]  I mean, there's a whole bunch of books on this.
[49:57.410 --> 50:01.650]  What it boils down to is we got very used to Buona diplomacy.
[50:02.490 --> 50:06.810]  And we got very used to being big white man on the block.
[50:07.750 --> 50:12.090]  And we also got used to being able to overthrow a government with one Navy ship.
[50:12.090 --> 50:15.090]  And one, you know, company of Marines.
[50:16.190 --> 50:19.510]  And we followed in the footsteps of the British.
[50:20.930 --> 50:23.970]  There's a wonderful book called Web of Deceit.
[50:24.590 --> 50:29.710]  And basically, we lied to the Arabs and then we betrayed the Arabs.
[50:31.770 --> 50:35.490]  And again, I go back to Philip Allitt's book, The Health of Nations.
[50:35.670 --> 50:43.770]  And I really tried very hard to work on that review because it's a brilliant book that covers multiple literatures and integrates them.
[50:43.770 --> 50:52.450]  We basically imposed artificial boundaries based on Western spheres of influence rather than the realities on the ground.
[50:52.890 --> 51:09.330]  And what those artificial boundaries did was they disturbed centuries of harmonious tribal accommodation in relation to resources and sustainability of tribes and villages and so forth.
[51:10.330 --> 51:16.330]  I think we're at a point now where we can kind of revisit everything we've ever done.
[51:17.650 --> 51:20.710]  And the processing power is there, although we're still not.
[51:20.830 --> 51:21.130]  The U.S.
[51:21.230 --> 51:22.550]  government still doesn't process information.
[51:23.330 --> 51:27.690]  I mean, it's still stovepipes collection and doesn't process information.
[51:28.390 --> 51:44.070]  So, I would be very excited if we actually did a clean sheet review of history and get away from lost history, recover history.
[51:44.990 --> 51:47.170]  Again, I come back to the remark someone made.
[51:47.310 --> 51:53.390]  Civilization is about transferring the hard-earned lessons of the past so that you don't have to pay for them a second time.
[51:54.090 --> 51:59.390]  And I think the United States is in a very, very good position to...
[51:59.950 --> 52:01.470]  I think he's going to close this down.
[52:01.630 --> 52:02.850]  Somebody swarm him out of here.
[52:03.790 --> 52:07.610]  No, I was asking if you needed more Diet Coke because you looked like you were running low.
[52:07.790 --> 52:08.930]  You know what, Nick?
[52:08.930 --> 52:10.370]  I'm really starting to love you.
[52:10.510 --> 52:14.910]  I liked you before, but now you're getting to me.
[52:14.910 --> 52:16.370]  You're touching me, okay?
[52:17.290 --> 52:18.830]  In a meaningful way.
[52:22.750 --> 52:23.730]  I'll tell you what.
[52:24.650 --> 52:27.670]  I think I'm going to wear these guys out by six o'clock.
[52:27.850 --> 52:32.450]  So, I would say two more Diet Cokes and two glasses of ice and we'll call it at six.
[52:32.710 --> 52:37.290]  But I will stay for another hour with a smaller group if it wants while we have breakfast.
[52:37.290 --> 52:44.030]  Well, the other thing I was going to say is we've actually got backup staff that will take you through to 10 a.m.
[52:44.030 --> 52:44.950]  if you want to do that.
[52:45.170 --> 52:46.670]  He's calling my bluff.
[52:46.950 --> 52:48.710]  He's calling my bluff.
[52:48.970 --> 52:49.410]  Oh.
[52:51.090 --> 52:54.250]  You know, it's like my marriage.
[52:54.390 --> 52:56.450]  It just went f*cking downhill.
[52:59.530 --> 53:00.850]  I'm absolutely serious.
[53:01.030 --> 53:05.050]  If you want us to get you breakfast, coffee, whatever you need.
[53:05.530 --> 53:07.070]  I'm going to go with the flow.
[53:07.450 --> 53:09.070]  I'm going to go with the flow, okay?
[53:09.070 --> 53:13.410]  But I have promised to cook hamburgers at three o'clock, so that's five hours away.
[53:14.110 --> 53:14.450]  Okay.
[53:16.110 --> 53:16.590]  No.
[53:16.890 --> 53:17.830]  You were down there?
[53:18.070 --> 53:18.770]  Wait, wait, wait.
[53:18.810 --> 53:20.210]  What time does your watch say?
[53:20.510 --> 53:22.410]  Five is not three hours away.
[53:22.410 --> 53:23.270]  What?
[53:24.010 --> 53:30.030]  No, ten is... ten o'clock is... no, three... what's three minus five?
[53:32.530 --> 53:33.610]  That would be...
[53:33.610 --> 53:36.550]  Three minus five is ten in the morning, morons.
[53:38.570 --> 53:46.830]  If I have to be in Virginia at three o'clock in the afternoon and it takes five hours to get there, I have to leave here at ten o'clock.
[53:48.190 --> 53:48.570]  One more hour today...
[53:49.270 --> 53:49.350]  Yes.
[53:51.350 --> 53:54.170]  The next car is starting at ten.
[53:54.470 --> 53:54.610]  Next car is starting at ten.
[53:54.610 --> 53:55.290]  Oh, yeah, I'm driving.
[53:56.350 --> 53:56.890]  I'm driving.
[53:57.150 --> 53:58.110]  How fast are you going?
[53:58.110 --> 53:58.750]  No worries.
[53:58.990 --> 53:59.230]  Five hours.
[54:00.030 --> 54:01.310]  What are the IVs?
[54:02.530 --> 54:03.190]  No, no, no.
[54:03.270 --> 54:04.110]  I'll be fine.
[54:04.250 --> 54:05.030]  I mean, if I have to...
[54:05.030 --> 54:09.590]  I mean, that's why I want to leave at six, just in case I have to sleep for a couple of hours someplace.
[54:11.670 --> 54:17.210]  But I'll go with the flow, but I personally think 6 o'clock is probably a good time to end.
[54:18.010 --> 54:20.510]  It's a new record, we can go for 8 next time.
[54:24.470 --> 54:29.430]  I mean, if you really want to push it till 10, I'm sure that we could take up a collection to get you a ticket.
[54:29.610 --> 54:30.750]  Alright, Nick, don't push it.
[54:30.890 --> 54:31.930]  Right now I like you.
[54:33.670 --> 54:37.770]  No, actually what I need is a driver, because I have to take the car with me.
[54:39.430 --> 54:40.970]  Is that an actual challenge?
[54:40.970 --> 54:44.090]  Because I do have a magic way of making these things happen.
[54:44.570 --> 54:47.250]  Do you want us to stay over?
[54:48.590 --> 54:49.110]  What's that?
[54:49.350 --> 54:51.290]  Do you want us to sleep for a couple hours here before you leave?
[54:51.890 --> 54:53.210]  No, I'm fine, I'm fine.
[54:53.290 --> 54:54.170]  Let's go with the flow.
[54:54.470 --> 54:56.690]  Let's optimize the thing here.
[54:57.050 --> 54:58.650]  Okay, two more Diet Cokes.
[54:58.690 --> 55:00.530]  Two more Diet Cokes and two glasses of ice.
[55:00.730 --> 55:02.050]  And a crowd that wants to see you here at 10am.
[55:02.150 --> 55:02.930]  Okay, got it, got it.
[55:03.070 --> 55:04.990]  Give him a round of applause for making it this far.
[55:04.990 --> 55:06.330]  No, no, no, no.
[55:06.530 --> 55:08.370]  I'm using you shamelessly.
[55:11.580 --> 55:12.660]  Yeah, go on.
[55:13.200 --> 55:15.000]  It's still better than last year.
[55:15.180 --> 55:16.360]  Alright, you're still on.
[55:16.720 --> 55:29.960]  Okay, so I guess to take everything full circle, has it basically gone that it went from Manifest Destiny being kind of like a cultural land grab thing to now it's just purely economical, but inherently the same thing?
[55:31.040 --> 55:31.140]  Hmm.
[55:32.840 --> 55:46.940]  Manifest Destiny, I think, was a government that was growing and trying to be a big boy among people who had been big boys for centuries before it.
[55:48.080 --> 55:54.040]  I mean, we were like an adolescent at our first big do.
[55:55.080 --> 56:03.800]  And then corporations, and I think Carnegie and Rockefeller really, really did a lot in this area.
[56:04.540 --> 56:09.420]  Corporations essentially realized that they could both do land grabs and manipulate governments.
[56:09.420 --> 56:20.940]  And so that's when we started to see a decline of government integrity and a rise of corporate influence.
[56:21.800 --> 56:26.360]  That ultimately, this again comes back to the true cost meme.
[56:27.040 --> 56:38.420]  I think, gosh, you guys are cheering me up, because the more I think about it, the more I think we're at the very beginning of a really, really cool period of time when thinking will be beneficial.
[56:41.740 --> 56:44.940]  It could be.
[56:45.700 --> 56:47.420]  Now, that's a good analogy.
[56:47.800 --> 56:53.740]  The fog has been clearing, and now we're kind of coming out of the fog and seeing landfall.
[56:55.400 --> 57:05.040]  But I absolutely have confidence that if I can harness five billion brains, there is no power on earth that can stand up to it.
[57:05.180 --> 57:06.680]  And it will be constructive.
[57:07.920 --> 57:08.640]  What's that?
[57:08.980 --> 57:09.540]  Zombie.
[57:10.480 --> 57:11.040]  Zombie?
[57:11.820 --> 57:12.380]  Brains.
[57:12.680 --> 57:13.560]  Obviously brains.
[57:13.900 --> 57:16.140]  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[57:16.280 --> 57:17.200]  All right.
[57:17.800 --> 57:17.940]  All right.
[57:18.020 --> 57:21.700]  No, listen, I like having you here because you make me look sane and sober.
[57:24.740 --> 57:26.460]  Next, next comment, sir.
[57:28.440 --> 57:39.480]  Okay, I have a question about, now, I have a question regarding how you would respond, how you would think the best possible U.S. response could be to, say, the Darfur genocide.
[57:45.060 --> 57:46.260]  The one that's already over?
[57:46.680 --> 57:47.160]  Yes.
[57:47.160 --> 57:49.160]  Back at, I'm saying the one that's already over.
[57:49.160 --> 57:49.460]  I'm sorry.
[57:49.840 --> 57:49.960]  I'm sorry.
[57:49.960 --> 57:50.080]  I'm sorry.
[57:50.080 --> 57:57.000]  But back at, if you weren't, if you had somehow had control of what the U.S.'s response should have been at that time.
[57:57.240 --> 58:03.580]  Well, you know, there's a wonderful book called Shake Hands with the Devil, which is about how the U.N. ordered a Canadian general to not stop the genocide in Rwanda.
[58:08.800 --> 58:10.520]  And he went nuts over it.
[58:10.760 --> 58:11.760]  And he eventually recovered.
[58:12.900 --> 58:17.920]  Canada has very good mental health services for English-speaking Canadians.
[58:20.180 --> 58:24.440]  And, who else?
[58:24.640 --> 58:26.020]  I love the French, you know.
[58:26.120 --> 58:30.480]  I mean, I want to learn French because I really do want to spend the next 20 years working for the U.N.
[58:30.480 --> 58:31.620]  What's the source of that, actually?
[58:31.840 --> 58:32.480]  The source of what?
[58:32.740 --> 58:34.140]  The way you just said, the U.N. paying the Canadian general.
[58:35.700 --> 58:36.000]  Is that...
[58:36.440 --> 58:40.000]  No, it's the book, Shake Hands with the Devil.
[58:40.220 --> 58:40.540]  Okay.
[58:40.780 --> 58:43.100]  By the lieutenant general that was in charge of U.N. forces in Rwanda.
[58:44.180 --> 58:46.040]  He was ordered not to stop the genocide.
[58:47.700 --> 58:51.920]  And the reason he was ordered not to stop the genocide was not because the U.N. likes genocide, but because the U.N. did not feel that it was within its mandate.
[58:57.460 --> 58:58.060]  What?
[58:58.600 --> 59:00.540]  They did not have enough forces, either.
[59:00.760 --> 59:04.240]  No, but you can kill a few and discourage the others.
[59:05.320 --> 59:08.160]  The bottom line is that the U.N. bureaucracy chose to limit...
[59:11.940 --> 59:14.920]  You know, I mean, this is an ethical question.
[59:14.920 --> 59:19.580]  And it's also an ethical question for the person on the ground.
[59:19.940 --> 59:24.300]  At what point do you stop following orders that are unethical?
[59:26.120 --> 59:26.760]  The general.
[59:26.760 --> 59:26.860]  The general.
[59:26.860 --> 59:28.560]  And so, I feel for the general.
[59:29.100 --> 59:37.300]  But I myself, although I'm now 58, and I have absolutely no qualms about dying.
[59:37.320 --> 59:40.540]  I've even thought about tattooing a return address on my back.
[59:41.360 --> 59:44.860]  Because my wife doesn't get the insurance unless the body comes back.
[59:46.260 --> 59:53.440]  But you have to decide if you want to live with the rest of your life with not taking action.
[59:53.840 --> 59:56.400]  And this is why the man went crazy.
[59:56.400 --> 59:58.860]  He had ultimate cognitive dissonance.
[59:59.060 --> 01:00:05.600]  That Muslim mayor at Fort Hood was suffering from severe cognitive dissonance.
[01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:11.800]  And I'm actually sympathetic to the problem that he encountered.
[01:00:13.100 --> 01:00:22.120]  Because the industrial era system hasn't gotten a grip on the fact that cultural forces can outweigh training, and education, and heritage.
[01:00:23.180 --> 01:00:27.040]  And so, basically, we should not be asking Muslims to fight Muslims.
[01:00:27.660 --> 01:00:32.520]  We should be... No, we should not be asking American Muslims to fight foreign Muslims.
[01:00:32.640 --> 01:00:36.580]  We should be asking Malaysian, Turkish, and Pakistani Muslims to fight Muslims.
[01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:37.880]  Okay?
[01:00:38.520 --> 01:00:41.620]  So we're really just clueless on cultural intelligence.
[01:00:43.240 --> 01:00:47.820]  So, how do you think that such an issue should be dealt with from the U.S. inside?
[01:00:48.180 --> 01:00:51.260]  I mean, I think it is a moral and ethical problem.
[01:00:51.700 --> 01:00:55.460]  The U.S., at the time, we do have an all-volunteer army.
[01:00:55.520 --> 01:00:57.480]  We do have the resources to handle it.
[01:00:57.520 --> 01:01:02.220]  So do we sit by and then say that you should handle the cultural differences?
[01:01:02.980 --> 01:01:08.820]  Well, one of the things that's happening that's very interesting... Yeah, that would be great with ICE.
[01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:09.260]  Thank you.
[01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:11.860]  Nick, thank you very much.
[01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:12.340]  Thank you.
[01:01:12.820 --> 01:01:13.340]  Thank you.
[01:01:17.120 --> 01:01:18.360]  Yeah, I'll tell you what.
[01:01:18.420 --> 01:01:19.440]  The man is a saint.
[01:01:19.860 --> 01:01:21.820]  I mean, he...
[01:01:23.900 --> 01:01:25.520]  He's got what he wants later.
[01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:27.140]  I'm not worried about it.
[01:01:30.460 --> 01:01:30.920]  No.
[01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:31.380]  What?
[01:01:34.340 --> 01:01:35.700]  Does he keep getting arrested?
[01:01:35.900 --> 01:01:36.260]  I'm sorry.
[01:01:36.460 --> 01:01:36.780]  Okay.
[01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:45.520]  The U.S. government is not trained, equipped, and organized to be effective, either at home or abroad.
[01:01:47.560 --> 01:01:51.720]  It's just a collection of bureaucratic agencies that have grown over time.
[01:01:52.020 --> 01:01:58.820]  I mean, the Department of Homeland Security is just... The only thing worse than that is the Department of Defense.
[01:02:01.220 --> 01:02:06.540]  And so Darfur is... It's multiple kinds of problems.
[01:02:06.740 --> 01:02:08.520]  First off, it's an intelligence failure.
[01:02:08.740 --> 01:02:09.900]  It's a warning failure.
[01:02:10.080 --> 01:02:11.840]  It's a cultural intelligence failure.
[01:02:12.100 --> 01:02:14.210]  It's a true cost estimation failure.
[01:02:15.210 --> 01:02:17.150]  It's a diplomatic failure.
[01:02:17.650 --> 01:02:22.690]  It's a... It's a political naivete failure.
[01:02:23.090 --> 01:02:44.270]  It's a failure... I mean, you know, when you run a government based on one man winning an election and then appointing his cronies to keep positions and putting 20-somethings and 30-somethings into political appointee positions because they put shoe leather on the street and they don't know a goddamn thing about anything they're being put in charge of,
[01:02:44.770 --> 01:02:46.010]  I mean, this is nuts.
[01:02:47.030 --> 01:02:47.510]  Okay?
[01:02:47.630 --> 01:02:55.910]  In Haiti, we had a colonel overruling 20-something who was shrieking and going hysterical and saying, you don't know what their president wants.
[01:02:56.810 --> 01:02:58.370]  She's lucky she's not dead.
[01:03:02.010 --> 01:03:03.350]  We're just ineffective.
[01:03:04.950 --> 01:03:12.970]  Darfur is the kind of thing that should have an African reaction force that is trained, equipped, and organized to do that kind of stuff.
[01:03:13.170 --> 01:03:20.030]  And unfortunately, the situation is so corrupt, Darfur is about natural resources, nothing more, nothing less.
[01:03:20.510 --> 01:03:28.270]  And so you have to have a legal framework, an intelligence framework, an economic framework, a transportation framework.
[01:03:28.610 --> 01:03:32.950]  I mean, one of the things we've found in Africa is you can't do intelligence country-by-country.
[01:03:32.970 --> 01:03:35.030]  You have to have a regional intelligence construct.
[01:03:35.210 --> 01:03:39.130]  You have to be able to intercept mercenaries as they're coming in from all sides.
[01:03:39.150 --> 01:03:42.050]  You have to be able to intercept blood diamonds as they're going out.
[01:03:42.210 --> 01:03:47.350]  You have to be able to intercept stolen cars from South Africa that are a major source of income.
[01:03:49.090 --> 01:03:55.550]  The reality is we're like this 900-pound baby in diapers.
[01:03:56.630 --> 01:03:59.070]  who is just stumbling around.
[01:03:59.430 --> 01:04:01.670]  This is not an intelligent government.
[01:04:01.950 --> 01:04:07.310]  It is a government that, like Bill Clinton says, it does what it does because it can.
[01:04:07.670 --> 01:04:21.150]  And unfortunately, because it can, stems in part from our apathy and our unwillingness to hold our government accountable for our constitutional and moral values.
[01:04:21.370 --> 01:04:21.870]  Yes, sir.
[01:04:23.410 --> 01:04:34.350]  So, with these 5 billion plus brains in the world right now, what's the 50-year or 100-year plans for dealing with extreme population growth?
[01:04:34.530 --> 01:04:39.070]  Because if we feed the world, there will just be more and more people...
[01:04:39.510 --> 01:04:41.910]  No, but the smarter you get, the fewer babies you have.
[01:04:43.910 --> 01:04:52.670]  That's true, but there's a large portion of the world that is currently industrializing and hasn't reached full industrialization.
[01:04:52.930 --> 01:04:56.970]  And even the United States, the populations are changing immensely.
[01:04:57.590 --> 01:05:00.330]  50 years, or actually, it's much less than that.
[01:05:00.770 --> 01:05:02.470]  I was just going to pour this on my head.
[01:05:02.650 --> 01:05:08.210]  The majority in the United States will be Latin in what?
[01:05:08.390 --> 01:05:10.330]  20, 25 years, according to the census?
[01:05:10.650 --> 01:05:10.770]  Thank you, Nick.
[01:05:10.770 --> 01:05:10.870]  Thank you.
[01:05:11.550 --> 01:05:15.410]  Wait, please forgive me, I missed the last 17 words.
[01:05:16.050 --> 01:05:26.690]  I think I read something by about 2050, more than 50% of the American population will be Latin, as opposed to right now.
[01:05:26.790 --> 01:05:30.550]  In California, Caucasians are already a minority.
[01:05:30.850 --> 01:05:36.910]  I'm not saying that's a problem at all, but populations are still growing more than a replacement rate.
[01:05:38.050 --> 01:05:54.090]  Well, one of the problems that we have in the United States, and I've reviewed the book, there's like a National Security Memorandum 2000 on population policy, and somebody went to a lot of trouble to think through the implications of all the demographics, youth, elderly, disabled, foreign, everything.
[01:05:58.050 --> 01:06:05.950]  And the United States decided not to have a population policy, just like it decided not to have an industrial policy, because we should be self-sufficient.
[01:06:06.090 --> 01:06:13.710]  I mean, right now there is exactly one place on the planet where the torrent of the M1 tank can be welded to the body of the M1 tank.
[01:06:14.430 --> 01:06:18.130]  You take that out, and we don't have M1 tanks.
[01:06:18.190 --> 01:06:21.670]  Not that we really need them, but, you know, it's a fact.
[01:06:21.830 --> 01:06:25.150]  There's one rail yard in Cincinnati that is the major place.
[01:06:25.270 --> 01:06:27.030]  There's three bridges I can take out.
[01:06:27.030 --> 01:06:28.930]  There's one Alaska pipeline.
[01:06:28.930 --> 01:06:30.150]  There's the Panama Canal.
[01:06:30.450 --> 01:06:31.330]  There's the...
[01:06:32.030 --> 01:06:37.110]  I really piss off Navy Admirals when I talk about the submarine antennas on the golf courses in Maine.
[01:06:38.210 --> 01:06:38.930]  You know?
[01:06:39.230 --> 01:06:43.370]  I mean, it's just there are so many choke points here.
[01:06:45.470 --> 01:06:49.490]  I think that, number one, we all share the same DNA.
[01:06:51.570 --> 01:06:57.370]  Pigmentation is a tiny, tiny fraction of who we are.
[01:06:57.610 --> 01:07:07.050]  And I've got to say, having lived a very privileged existence my whole life, I first encountered dark green Marines in the squad bay when I went through Marine Corps training.
[01:07:07.610 --> 01:07:09.430]  And I learned from my drill sergeant.
[01:07:09.490 --> 01:07:11.610]  We have dark green Marines and we have light green Marines.
[01:07:11.770 --> 01:07:12.810]  But we're all Marines.
[01:07:13.170 --> 01:07:14.490]  And same thing with us.
[01:07:14.590 --> 01:07:15.170]  We're all human.
[01:07:16.650 --> 01:07:26.490]  And, in fact, certain select human offshoots have different kinds of sensing systems and thinking systems and so forth.
[01:07:26.790 --> 01:07:29.650]  I don't think population is going to be a problem.
[01:07:29.910 --> 01:07:39.270]  In the ideal world, we would get to the point where we have a balanced population and we start methodically thinking about moving outward in the cosmos.
[01:07:39.270 --> 01:07:42.630]  And, you know, there are over 100,000 galaxies.
[01:07:43.270 --> 01:07:46.550]  And our galaxy has a planet that sustains life.
[01:07:46.710 --> 01:07:50.190]  I'm pretty sure there are at least 10 other planets out there that sustain life.
[01:07:50.430 --> 01:07:57.010]  And I'm pretty sure there are at least 10 other planets out there that sustain life are saying, Oh, f*ck, what are we going to do when Earth gets its shit together?
[01:07:58.010 --> 01:07:58.410]  Okay?
[01:08:00.390 --> 01:08:03.530]  So, I think we're at the very beginning of a very exciting time.
[01:08:03.530 --> 01:08:17.530]  I am actually not worried about population growth because I'm pretty sure that if we give every poor person a free cell phone and free access to education one call at a time, they're going to figure out the math better than we will.
[01:08:20.910 --> 01:08:21.430]  Hi.
[01:08:21.950 --> 01:08:26.010]  I spent some time in the military, in the Navy.
[01:08:26.010 --> 01:08:29.510]  And I realized something I went to, for instance, a Coast Guard base.
[01:08:30.570 --> 01:08:31.930]  And I was talking to some...
[01:08:31.930 --> 01:08:32.990]  Well, actually, I wasn't even talking.
[01:08:33.070 --> 01:08:38.830]  I was over here in a conversation about somebody whining how they had to go, like, you know, we're going out to sea for the weekend.
[01:08:39.350 --> 01:08:40.070]  It's terrible.
[01:08:40.370 --> 01:08:41.250]  And we're Coast Guard.
[01:08:41.450 --> 01:08:44.850]  And, oh, my God, I won't be back in time for Monday for my boyfriend.
[01:08:46.070 --> 01:09:08.030]  But the role of the Coast Guard has expanded dramatically over probably the last 10 or 15 years or so to the point of guarding our coast to actually invading other countries or enforcing our drug enforcement policy or circumceding or circumventing or...
[01:09:08.030 --> 01:09:09.590]  How do I want to say it?
[01:09:10.330 --> 01:09:14.970]  Hitting other vessels in international waters, for instance, and basically...
[01:09:14.970 --> 01:09:16.390]  With permission from their countries.
[01:09:16.610 --> 01:09:17.350]  Of course.
[01:09:18.250 --> 01:09:22.150]  So how does that really, you know, how do you feel about that and...
[01:09:22.150 --> 01:09:25.990]  Well, I will tell you the same thing I would tell the CNO.
[01:09:26.110 --> 01:09:26.770]  You f*cked up.
[01:09:28.990 --> 01:09:35.770]  Because if the U.S. Navy had taken literal and expeditionary warfare seriously from the time that I did the expeditionary study, I was the study director.
[01:09:35.990 --> 01:09:44.410]  I founded the Marine Corps Intelligence Command as the senior civilian, and we did a study on planning and programming factors for expeditionary operations in the Third World.
[01:09:44.450 --> 01:09:45.750]  And the first thing we told the U.S. Navy was, you've got to be able to do your shit under five fathoms.
[01:09:51.030 --> 01:09:51.710]  And the U.S. Navy wanted nothing to do with it.
[01:09:53.450 --> 01:10:00.770]  I absolutely fried several 06s in the Navy when I told them that we're going to be down to 10 carriers by 2000.
[01:10:01.250 --> 01:10:02.850]  I mean, they wanted me fired.
[01:10:04.930 --> 01:10:10.550]  Now, having said that, I think that a shallow water Navy is a very important thing.
[01:10:10.550 --> 01:10:24.450]  I've actually done the plan for a 450 ship Navy, which you'll find at Phi Beta Iota, and it increases amphibious to from 9% to 11%, and increases brown water up to 31%.
[01:10:26.650 --> 01:10:29.690]  Part of the problem that we have is that the U.S.
[01:10:29.810 --> 01:10:34.870]  Navy stinks or doesn't want to do shallow water, brown water, or littoral warfare.
[01:10:35.330 --> 01:10:39.510]  And the Coast Guard desperately wants deep water stuff.
[01:10:40.990 --> 01:10:44.470]  And it also turns out you've got to be able to interdict further out.
[01:10:44.690 --> 01:10:58.110]  So, from where I sit, and oh, by the way, the Navy, I don't know what the Navy was thinking, but they now have fire systems on ships that cannot be reloaded at sea, which has always been one of our strengths.
[01:10:58.530 --> 01:11:02.550]  And they also are outgunned by coastal artillery around the world.
[01:11:02.550 --> 01:11:04.830]  And I identified that as a problem in 1988.
[01:11:04.890 --> 01:11:11.590]  And the Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Jones, decided not to fight the CNO for naval gunfire for the Marines.
[01:11:11.910 --> 01:11:19.130]  And several Commandants in a row decided to agree on 1,000 Marine ships that are a subskipper's dream.
[01:11:21.450 --> 01:11:24.030]  So, bottom line here is the U.S.
[01:11:24.190 --> 01:11:26.350]  government is simply not serious.
[01:11:26.350 --> 01:11:29.410]  And part of the problem here is the Office of Management and Budget.
[01:11:29.410 --> 01:11:32.090]  They stopped doing management in the 1970s.
[01:11:32.470 --> 01:11:44.030]  And so, there's no adult in Washington that will talk to the departments or to the CNO or to whoever and say, hey, we not only have to do ports, we have to be able to do brown water.
[01:11:44.150 --> 01:11:51.550]  We have to be able to take... I coined the term expediter because it fits between destroyer and frigate.
[01:11:52.730 --> 01:11:53.470]  Brown water.
[01:11:53.830 --> 01:11:54.250]  Yeah.
[01:11:55.050 --> 01:12:00.290]  And, you know, the Coast Guard totally hosed up naval acquisition, but then the Navy is no better.
[01:12:00.550 --> 01:12:01.690]  The Navy can't build a ship today.
[01:12:01.830 --> 01:12:06.710]  I commend to your attention the book on Andrew Jackson Higgins and the boat that won World War II.
[01:12:07.530 --> 01:12:11.630]  Andrew Jackson Higgins had to fight the Navy shipbuilding bureaucracy.
[01:12:11.990 --> 01:12:19.690]  And this man was able to design, build, and test a landing craft variant in a 24-hour cycle.
[01:12:20.230 --> 01:12:26.750]  He was turning out Liberty ships one per day in New Orleans using New Orleans citizens who had never before touched a welding rod.
[01:12:27.550 --> 01:12:33.770]  So I guess my long answer to your question is we haven't done our homework.
[01:12:34.370 --> 01:12:48.130]  And worse than not doing our homework, there's nobody in Washington that is actually able to manage across departments and basically say, we're going to do planning and programming in this whole of government fashion.
[01:12:48.130 --> 01:13:03.690]  And, oh, by the way, every airplane and every boat that is built is going to have a super RFID chip in it so that any airplane sold in Medellin, Colombia can be shot out of the sky whenever we want.
[01:13:05.970 --> 01:13:06.830]  Simple stuff.
[01:13:07.130 --> 01:13:11.350]  I mean, I've got 1,000 airplanes going over Guatemala, and we're getting two a year.
[01:13:12.470 --> 01:13:14.010]  I mean, we're just not thinking.
[01:13:14.390 --> 01:13:16.410]  Does that kind of answer your question or not?
[01:13:17.090 --> 01:13:21.530]  I think maybe a little bit of clarification around what you say interdict farther out.
[01:13:22.530 --> 01:13:25.490]  Did you mean, like, of international waters?
[01:13:25.630 --> 01:13:41.030]  Because my vision of the Coast Guard is that they're here to protect the United States coastline and not here to, like, float off the coast of Colombia and play, like, drug lord interdiction or something like that.
[01:13:41.030 --> 01:13:42.330]  Yeah, you're right.
[01:13:42.330 --> 01:13:47.490]  And part of the problem you have is that the FBI and DEA and the U.S.
[01:13:47.610 --> 01:13:50.090]  Navy sometimes are running drugs into the United States.
[01:13:50.090 --> 01:13:59.290]  I mean, I was told by the head of the Special Forces detail that he was assigned to guard Holy North when he was personally bringing the cocaine shipment into the U.S.
[01:13:59.290 --> 01:14:02.210]  And I honestly don't know the truth of the matter.
[01:14:02.590 --> 01:14:18.190]  But if you read Dark Alliance, Blandon was a Nicaraguan Contra who was bringing in strategic amounts of cocaine and selling them to Ricky Ross, who became a black multimillionaire because he was a really great entrepreneur.
[01:14:18.190 --> 01:14:20.970]  And he was clearing two million bucks a day in small bills.
[01:14:22.470 --> 01:14:26.790]  And he's the one that got arrested and went to jail.
[01:14:26.970 --> 01:14:30.230]  Blandon kept getting bailed out by the CIA.
[01:14:31.690 --> 01:14:39.630]  So we have a government without integrity that protects drug lords for reasons that are beyond comprehension.
[01:14:39.630 --> 01:14:45.330]  And at the same time, we have a Coast Guard, a Department of Homeland Security.
[01:14:45.510 --> 01:14:46.970]  Everybody's after budget share.
[01:14:47.390 --> 01:14:50.670]  And the congressional committees are part of the problem.
[01:14:50.910 --> 01:14:55.370]  Because the congressional committees are using budget share as a way of allocating pork.
[01:14:55.630 --> 01:15:01.610]  And the going rate in Congress for reelection campaigns is 5% for every earmark delivered.
[01:15:02.430 --> 01:15:05.150]  So bottom line is it comes back to integrity.
[01:15:05.330 --> 01:15:06.350]  Integrity, integrity, integrity.
[01:15:06.350 --> 01:15:07.370]  You're right.
[01:15:07.550 --> 01:15:12.410]  The Coast Guard should not be off the coast of Columbia.
[01:15:12.410 --> 01:15:13.350]  But the U.S. Navy refused that mission.
[01:15:15.070 --> 01:15:21.190]  I ghostwrote the article for the Commandant of the Marine Corps called Intelligence Challenges of the 1990s.
[01:15:21.350 --> 01:15:23.810]  It was published in the American Intelligence Journal.
[01:15:24.110 --> 01:15:29.450]  And at the time, I said the narcotics threat is a type threat.
[01:15:29.870 --> 01:15:33.250]  It is not a distraction from our primary mission.
[01:15:33.250 --> 01:15:40.110]  It is a type of unconventional, irregular threat that we must as a military be able to deal with.
[01:15:40.170 --> 01:15:40.670]  And the U.S. Navy said stick it in your ear.
[01:15:42.570 --> 01:15:43.890]  We don't do drugs.
[01:15:44.290 --> 01:15:48.110]  Or we do drugs but only if we get budget share allocations.
[01:15:48.550 --> 01:15:52.570]  So the problem is the system is not really being built to do missions.
[01:15:52.570 --> 01:15:55.030]  It's being built to keep contractors employed.
[01:15:55.470 --> 01:15:58.110]  And that is what's so bad about it.
[01:16:00.310 --> 01:16:02.130]  Once again, I apologize if I'm repeating something.
[01:16:02.210 --> 01:16:02.970]  Go, go, go.
[01:16:03.150 --> 01:16:03.970]  I mean, that's...
[01:16:04.730 --> 01:16:11.350]  We could all probably agree that like Saddam Hussein as a totalitarian dictator probably wasn't a very nice guy to his people.
[01:16:11.510 --> 01:16:12.630]  We should never have invaded.
[01:16:13.230 --> 01:16:14.890]  Well, that's part of my question.
[01:16:15.530 --> 01:16:22.050]  Now, while he may have been gassing some of his own people and, you know, there were some nasty things going on.
[01:16:22.250 --> 01:16:30.330]  It seemed the country as a whole, there wasn't like this complete and utter lack of, like, humanity basically.
[01:16:30.330 --> 01:16:32.730]  There weren't people killing their own citizens.
[01:16:32.730 --> 01:16:33.490]  It was...
[01:16:33.490 --> 01:16:34.770]  Was it really such a bad thing?
[01:16:34.950 --> 01:16:36.450]  Well, I mean, it was a bad thing for him doing it.
[01:16:36.530 --> 01:16:37.950]  But did the ends justify the means?
[01:16:38.170 --> 01:16:41.970]  Because it seemed like they were getting, not along, but they weren't killing each other anyway.
[01:16:42.030 --> 01:16:48.710]  Well, I mean, he had created a secular state that had essentially enforced peace between the Sunnis and the Shiites.
[01:16:49.590 --> 01:16:56.190]  And believe it or not, nobody bothered to tell Dick Cheney and George Bush that the Shiites were in the majority.
[01:16:57.550 --> 01:16:59.410]  And that they were allied with Iran.
[01:16:59.410 --> 01:17:11.210]  The problem in the whole Iraq thing is that Dick Cheney committed over 25 impeachable offenses and led the telling of 935 documented lies.
[01:17:11.450 --> 01:17:18.630]  Because the neocons wanted Iraq and they thought they could take Iraq at no cost and own the oil fields.
[01:17:18.830 --> 01:17:21.350]  And basically shoved the French and the Russians out of Iraq.
[01:17:22.450 --> 01:17:26.870]  I'm pretty sure Ahmed Chalabi was an Iranian agent of influence.
[01:17:27.690 --> 01:17:30.670]  He spoon-fed Cheney what Cheney wanted to hear.
[01:17:31.250 --> 01:17:34.430]  CIA did not have the balls to stand up to Cheney.
[01:17:34.550 --> 01:17:35.990]  And neither did Colin Powell.
[01:17:36.330 --> 01:17:40.830]  And so we allowed Dick Cheney to take this country to war on a web of lies.
[01:17:41.510 --> 01:17:48.430]  Is it a coincidence that it seems that all around Iran we have countries that have, at least militarily, we have interests in?
[01:17:49.690 --> 01:18:01.210]  I honestly don't know enough, but I'm concerned that we're using American taxpayer money to subsidize arms sales to people that are not our friends.
[01:18:01.890 --> 01:18:09.830]  And there's just no public interest that I can think of that calls for arming any Arab state and certainly not Egypt.
[01:18:10.530 --> 01:18:13.650]  So all I can tell you is that we're out of control.
[01:18:14.710 --> 01:18:16.530]  Political decisions are being made.
[01:18:16.690 --> 01:18:22.490]  And I think our flag officers have betrayed the American people by confusing loyalty with integrity.
[01:18:24.230 --> 01:18:31.010]  And just about any flag officer you care to name, with the exception of Tony Zinni, has betrayed the public interest.
[01:18:32.630 --> 01:18:33.330]  Thank you.
[01:18:33.330 --> 01:18:33.950]  Yes, sir.
[01:18:34.510 --> 01:18:38.090]  And if you didn't make flag, that says something good about your integrity.
[01:18:41.370 --> 01:18:43.510]  You know, every politician...
[01:18:44.850 --> 01:18:45.890]  Yeah, thank you.
[01:18:45.990 --> 01:18:46.450]  Start over.
[01:18:46.690 --> 01:18:47.610]  You talk about betrayal.
[01:18:47.910 --> 01:18:51.850]  And so there are no politicians who have this integrity?
[01:18:52.110 --> 01:18:59.210]  Out of everyone who is in our government, no one really stands up for this test of integrity?
[01:18:59.350 --> 01:19:00.290]  I'm happy to...
[01:19:00.290 --> 01:19:03.670]  I guess the question is, what happens to people when they...
[01:19:03.670 --> 01:19:05.050]  There are two books on Congress.
[01:19:05.050 --> 01:19:07.230]  One is called The Broken Branch.
[01:19:07.230 --> 01:19:09.450]  And the other one is called Betrayal of Trust.
[01:19:09.910 --> 01:19:12.570]  And I forget which one was written by Senator Coburn.
[01:19:12.850 --> 01:19:17.330]  But one of them has a subtitle of How Washington Turns Outsiders Into Insiders.
[01:19:17.710 --> 01:19:19.770]  And it's basically fairly straightforward.
[01:19:20.690 --> 01:19:23.650]  Your first year in Congress, you're a boot congressman.
[01:19:23.850 --> 01:19:28.010]  And the party leadership says, listen, Joe, here's the way it works around here.
[01:19:28.030 --> 01:19:29.290]  We vote on the party line.
[01:19:29.490 --> 01:19:39.070]  And if you vote on the party line, you get the big office, you get the extra staff, you get the TV coverage, and you get the prime committee assignments.
[01:19:39.770 --> 01:19:43.370]  If you don't vote on the party line, you won't win re-election.
[01:19:43.570 --> 01:19:44.650]  But hold on.
[01:19:44.710 --> 01:19:48.210]  Isn't that really sick that our system operates that way?
[01:19:48.290 --> 01:19:53.510]  We have to have some kind of tenure in order to vote for what's right for your constituents?
[01:19:53.510 --> 01:19:57.230]  Basically, people with integrity would say, f*ck you, and then they'd go public.
[01:19:57.510 --> 01:19:59.370]  But the reality is they don't.
[01:19:59.730 --> 01:20:01.970]  They go along with the system.
[01:20:02.250 --> 01:20:03.190]  I mean, look at...
[01:20:04.090 --> 01:20:05.470]  We got a guy who died.
[01:20:05.470 --> 01:20:07.470]  He was like, what, 93 in office?
[01:20:07.690 --> 01:20:10.750]  I mean, how many times do you think he was really awake for voting sessions?
[01:20:11.050 --> 01:20:18.570]  Or how much do you really think he voted that wasn't attributed to the fact that he had tenure in the system?
[01:20:18.570 --> 01:20:22.230]  Yeah, and he also had staff that managed votes.
[01:20:22.250 --> 01:20:27.010]  And he had lobbyists who were working without pay in his office.
[01:20:27.250 --> 01:20:27.290]  That's sick.
[01:20:27.290 --> 01:20:33.310]  Well, it is sick, but I'm not here to agree that it's the right thing to do.
[01:20:33.330 --> 01:20:35.110]  I'm just here to say that's how it is.
[01:20:37.990 --> 01:20:52.290]  It seems like, at least in America as a whole, outside of, like, heavy political seasons, like, four-year elections, that there's, like, a fair amount of apathy and little, if any, nudes coverage.
[01:20:52.290 --> 01:20:58.870]  But within the last few years, you have, like, the Colbert Report and, like, basically...
[01:20:58.870 --> 01:20:59.410]  I love it.
[01:20:59.670 --> 01:21:06.450]  ...comedy-based political shows where people, like, that age of people that could not necessarily make a difference because they don't have the income, but...
[01:21:06.450 --> 01:21:10.130]  This is Congress, this is the White House, and this is what they do.
[01:21:10.670 --> 01:21:15.590]  You have 18 to 35-year-old males basically watching a show that's entirely political-based.
[01:21:15.590 --> 01:21:18.390]  Like, is that, like, a good thing that...
[01:21:18.390 --> 01:21:24.870]  No, you know, it... I... I can't say... I cannot say...
[01:21:24.870 --> 01:21:31.490]  I mean, what I take encouragement from is the fact that there's somebody that's willing to sit through the f*cking night and listen to me.
[01:21:32.410 --> 01:21:32.970]  Um...
[01:21:32.970 --> 01:21:35.410]  I mean, that's... maybe that's sick, too.
[01:21:35.690 --> 01:21:36.930]  But, um...
[01:21:37.730 --> 01:21:43.850]  I really believe that truth has a power, and that we've been sleepwalking.
[01:21:44.970 --> 01:21:45.410]  Um...
[01:21:45.410 --> 01:21:46.970]  And we're now in a crisis.
[01:21:48.090 --> 01:21:48.530]  Uh...
[01:21:48.530 --> 01:21:57.390]  And I think there are more people that are willing to listen to common sense, and there are more people that are willing to basically stand up and say, I'm not gonna stand for this.
[01:21:57.750 --> 01:22:03.390]  And I think the congressional leaders are really getting off easy, because...
[01:22:06.230 --> 01:22:07.110]  If Nader...
[01:22:07.890 --> 01:22:10.730]  I'm gonna do this so it can be turned into a YouTube, okay?
[01:22:13.350 --> 01:22:32.050]  If Ron Paul and Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney and Jackie Salet had their integrity up front and center, they would be coming together to demand the Electoral Reform Act of 2010 to be passed no later than the 31st of August.
[01:22:32.350 --> 01:22:34.770]  Even if it means having to recall Congress.
[01:22:34.770 --> 01:22:40.130]  The fact that they're not doing that tells me that they have sacrificed their integrity.
[01:22:40.530 --> 01:22:52.090]  Now, one of the things I learned in attending a trans-partisan session is that all of the non-governmental organizations are extremely nervous about any break from the bipartisan system.
[01:22:52.090 --> 01:22:59.090]  Because it turns out they're heavily invested in staff relationships with Democrats and Republicans.
[01:22:59.490 --> 01:23:06.190]  And they're very fearful that independents coming into power would say, Are you kidding me?
[01:23:06.370 --> 01:23:13.870]  We've been giving you $2 million a year to talk about the desirability of reusing sanitary napkins?
[01:23:14.930 --> 01:23:17.110]  That's a waste of the taxpayers' money.
[01:23:17.250 --> 01:23:21.610]  They're terrified of the bipartisan gravy train running.
[01:23:21.810 --> 01:23:27.890]  Because the bipartisan gravy train has basically bribed everybody to be part of the go-along to get-along system.
[01:23:29.710 --> 01:23:35.750]  So, it's sick, but I think that Ralph Nader and Ron Paul or Jesse Ventura.
[01:23:36.170 --> 01:23:41.530]  You know, I mean, I can give Jesse Ventura a non-partisan cabinet tomorrow.
[01:23:41.870 --> 01:23:47.130]  Within 90 days working with you guys and others, we could have a policy...
[01:23:47.130 --> 01:23:48.850]  Actually, I've already done it with others.
[01:23:49.010 --> 01:23:51.170]  We have very specific...
[01:23:51.170 --> 01:23:57.910]  If you go to earth-intelligence.net, there's 52 questions and answers there.
[01:23:58.530 --> 01:24:12.810]  There isn't a senator or a congressman today or a cabinet secretary or an assistant to the president or the president or Biden himself who could sit down and write those 52 questions and answers.
[01:24:13.250 --> 01:24:15.110]  So, I invite you to take a look at them.
[01:24:15.190 --> 01:24:17.930]  We could have a coalition cabinet up and running within 90 days.
[01:24:17.930 --> 01:24:20.050]  We could have a balanced budget within 180.
[01:24:20.630 --> 01:24:22.930]  Actually, we could do both within 30.
[01:24:23.890 --> 01:24:25.970]  This is not for lack of brain power.
[01:24:26.130 --> 01:24:28.770]  This is for lack of integrity.
[01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:34.880]  Okay, so something completely unrelated to that.
[01:24:35.860 --> 01:24:36.980]  Now, like...
[01:24:36.980 --> 01:24:38.380]  In two minutes, I have to pee.
[01:24:39.100 --> 01:24:39.440]  Awesome.
[01:24:40.420 --> 01:24:42.200]  Okay, so maybe make this one brief.
[01:24:42.500 --> 01:24:43.060]  Now...
[01:24:43.060 --> 01:24:43.380]  Please.
[01:24:43.920 --> 01:24:47.920]  It seems like Republicans in general have...
[01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:51.560]  Well, originally, you know, big business, small government.
[01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:51.940]  Right.
[01:24:52.060 --> 01:24:53.800]  It seems like they've completely gone against that.
[01:24:53.900 --> 01:24:54.120]  Yes.
[01:24:54.420 --> 01:24:55.560]  It's large government.
[01:24:55.740 --> 01:24:56.520]  It's still big business.
[01:24:56.800 --> 01:24:58.340]  But they've gotten...
[01:24:58.340 --> 01:25:01.340]  It seems like the poor and uneducated on their side.
[01:25:01.620 --> 01:25:03.560]  The two parties have morphed into each other.
[01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:06.220]  It's just two sides of the same coin, basically, right?
[01:25:06.440 --> 01:25:06.840]  Exactly.
[01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:08.340]  In fact, there's a wonderful graphic.
[01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:09.100]  Same bird.
[01:25:09.380 --> 01:25:10.580]  Two wings, same bird.
[01:25:11.900 --> 01:25:13.280]  Uh, where am I going that...
[01:25:13.280 --> 01:25:13.520]  Oh.
[01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:15.840]  So, as far as, like, the Tea Party's concerned...
[01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:20.700]  Now, it seems like the Republicans are really good at getting upper-middle-class people who...
[01:25:20.700 --> 01:25:20.920]  Yeah.
[01:25:21.220 --> 01:25:24.760]  If anything, to me, at least, it seems like borderline racism because...
[01:25:26.000 --> 01:25:27.400]  Hispanic, like, at least...
[01:25:27.400 --> 01:25:32.240]  Not to stereotype, but some of the people that I know that are day laborers are, like, the hardest-working people that I've ever met.
[01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:34.120]  And...
[01:25:34.120 --> 01:25:34.560]  It...
[01:25:35.380 --> 01:25:35.820]  It...
[01:25:35.820 --> 01:25:37.360]  It just seems like veiled racism.
[01:25:37.540 --> 01:25:41.440]  Are they just going after, like, this upper-middle-class because they care about this?
[01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:41.720]  Well, I think that...
[01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:44.220]  No, the Tea Party is being captured.
[01:25:45.220 --> 01:25:45.660]  Um...
[01:25:45.660 --> 01:25:48.580]  I want to spend more time on this, so let me take a short break.
[01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:52.640]  And then let's come back and talk about the whole art of political theater.
[01:25:53.200 --> 01:25:54.800]  Because all of this is theater.
[01:25:55.380 --> 01:25:55.580]  Okay.
[01:25:55.580 --> 01:25:56.440]  None of this is real.
[01:26:08.590 --> 01:26:09.770]  Go, Steel, go!
[01:26:10.070 --> 01:26:10.630]  Sit down!
[01:26:14.630 --> 01:26:16.870]  You know, it's interesting.
[01:26:17.050 --> 01:26:20.070]  Ross Perot was almost a genius.
[01:26:21.570 --> 01:26:22.250]  Um...
[01:26:22.250 --> 01:26:23.550]  And I really...
[01:26:23.550 --> 01:26:24.110]  I had a...
[01:26:24.110 --> 01:26:26.370]  I still have a Perot for President sticker.
[01:26:27.670 --> 01:26:28.350]  But...
[01:26:28.350 --> 01:26:30.150]  He lost it.
[01:26:30.350 --> 01:26:32.130]  I think his ego got in his way.
[01:26:33.190 --> 01:26:33.870]  Um...
[01:26:33.870 --> 01:26:40.070]  And when he fired his two political advisors, one from each party, uh...
[01:26:40.390 --> 01:26:41.490]  All the steam went out of him.
[01:26:42.250 --> 01:26:42.890]  Now...
[01:26:42.890 --> 01:26:45.330]  Jesse Ventura is not Ross Perot.
[01:26:46.250 --> 01:26:46.890]  Uh...
[01:26:46.890 --> 01:26:49.030]  I would support Jesse Ventura for President.
[01:26:49.990 --> 01:26:50.630]  Um...
[01:26:50.630 --> 01:26:52.690]  I'd support Sarah Palin for Vice President.
[01:26:53.770 --> 01:26:54.090]  Um...
[01:26:54.410 --> 01:26:54.850]  What?
[01:26:55.550 --> 01:26:55.890]  What?
[01:26:58.810 --> 01:27:00.650]  Because she's a real person is what you're saying.
[01:27:00.910 --> 01:27:01.150]  Yeah.
[01:27:01.150 --> 01:27:01.230]  Yeah.
[01:27:01.390 --> 01:27:01.950]  Thank you.
[01:27:02.070 --> 01:27:02.450]  Thank you.
[01:27:02.530 --> 01:27:03.130]  Because my...
[01:27:03.130 --> 01:27:03.810]  My...
[01:27:03.810 --> 01:27:07.670]  My planned remark would have been grotesquely sexist and...
[01:27:07.670 --> 01:27:08.450]  Um...
[01:27:08.450 --> 01:27:09.070]  You know, but...
[01:27:09.070 --> 01:27:10.490]  But yes, she's a real person.
[01:27:11.530 --> 01:27:12.010]  Um...
[01:27:12.010 --> 01:27:13.110]  And I'll tell you something.
[01:27:13.450 --> 01:27:13.770]  I...
[01:27:13.770 --> 01:27:14.310]  I mean...
[01:27:14.790 --> 01:27:18.150]  I know some of the people in Alaska that are close to her.
[01:27:18.350 --> 01:27:20.330]  And they actually really like her.
[01:27:20.330 --> 01:27:21.150]  Uh...
[01:27:21.150 --> 01:27:23.410]  She and her husband were members of the Alaskan Independence...
[01:27:24.390 --> 01:27:24.870]  Uh...
[01:27:24.870 --> 01:27:25.190]  Party.
[01:27:26.490 --> 01:27:26.970]  Um...
[01:27:26.970 --> 01:27:30.770]  And I personally think Alaska is being screwed by the United States of America.
[01:27:31.770 --> 01:27:32.250]  Uh...
[01:27:32.250 --> 01:27:33.090]  And there's...
[01:27:33.090 --> 01:27:34.890]  There's just a lot of issues here.
[01:27:35.050 --> 01:27:37.530]  But the bottom line here, let me put it in a different way.
[01:27:38.250 --> 01:27:41.810]  I'll support any of you for president of the United States.
[01:27:42.110 --> 01:27:43.910]  Or vice president of the United States.
[01:27:44.050 --> 01:27:45.310]  Or any cabinet position.
[01:27:45.690 --> 01:27:51.790]  Because all we need to get this country back on track is people with a brain willing to listen to other people.
[01:27:51.930 --> 01:27:53.470]  And to be transparent and accountable.
[01:27:54.470 --> 01:27:54.810]  And...
[01:27:54.810 --> 01:27:56.130]  You know, that's all it takes.
[01:27:59.510 --> 01:28:01.430]  It's a totally different subject.
[01:28:01.770 --> 01:28:02.730]  What do you think of South Park?
[01:28:03.590 --> 01:28:04.410]  South Park.
[01:28:04.550 --> 01:28:05.050]  What is that?
[01:28:06.270 --> 01:28:06.930]  Never mind.
[01:28:06.930 --> 01:28:07.250]  Never mind.
[01:28:07.750 --> 01:28:08.190]  Okay.
[01:28:08.670 --> 01:28:08.890]  Don't worry.
[01:28:09.270 --> 01:28:11.350]  No, I remember you were going to talk about the...
[01:28:11.350 --> 01:28:12.250]  I will tell you.
[01:28:12.330 --> 01:28:12.770]  What is that?
[01:28:13.090 --> 01:28:13.530]  SpongeBob?
[01:28:13.790 --> 01:28:14.450]  Or no, no.
[01:28:14.570 --> 01:28:15.410]  Not SpongeBob.
[01:28:16.250 --> 01:28:16.690]  Um...
[01:28:16.690 --> 01:28:17.030]  Who's...
[01:28:17.030 --> 01:28:17.530]  What's that?
[01:28:17.530 --> 01:28:19.410]  What's that crazy TV program?
[01:28:20.310 --> 01:28:22.710]  With the guy that says all the politically incorrect things?
[01:28:22.870 --> 01:28:23.470]  It's a cartoon?
[01:28:23.870 --> 01:28:24.450]  The family guy?
[01:28:25.150 --> 01:28:25.930]  American dad?
[01:28:26.130 --> 01:28:26.410]  No.
[01:28:26.830 --> 01:28:27.630]  The Simpsons dad?
[01:28:27.650 --> 01:28:27.970]  Yes.
[01:28:28.210 --> 01:28:28.830]  The Simpsons.
[01:28:28.930 --> 01:28:32.370]  I'm sorry, but the Simpsons bear a striking resemblance to my family.
[01:28:35.590 --> 01:28:36.190]  All right.
[01:28:36.190 --> 01:28:36.710]  Yes, sir.
[01:28:37.370 --> 01:28:44.410]  I had a different question, but before you left, you were going to talk about the struggle between the neocons and the Tea Party, and it got interrupted, so please resume.
[01:28:44.730 --> 01:28:53.390]  Well, part of the problem is the Tea Party's being captured, and I think, I hope they realize it, but they may not.
[01:28:53.990 --> 01:28:57.050]  Just like Obama is theater, the Tea Party is theater.
[01:28:57.050 --> 01:29:03.150]  It's intended to give people a little bit of hope before they run into the electronic voting machines where everything's been rigged.
[01:29:04.110 --> 01:29:04.410]  Um...
[01:29:04.410 --> 01:29:06.070]  And the steam valve, or...?
[01:29:06.070 --> 01:29:07.130]  All of them.
[01:29:07.730 --> 01:29:08.490]  All of them.
[01:29:08.570 --> 01:29:14.210]  Someone very intelligent told me that Diebold was the best of the lot, and they were simply stupid, not criminal.
[01:29:15.250 --> 01:29:15.930]  Um...
[01:29:15.930 --> 01:29:23.890]  You know, I personally think Diebold is criminal also, because the Diebold president has said on the open mic that he will deliver the election.
[01:29:25.250 --> 01:29:25.930]  Um...
[01:29:25.930 --> 01:29:30.170]  But what we have here is those people who get organized.
[01:29:30.170 --> 01:29:32.510]  I mean, Acorn is a classic example.
[01:29:33.070 --> 01:29:33.590]  Uh...
[01:29:33.590 --> 01:29:36.550]  They get captured, and they become corrupt.
[01:29:37.450 --> 01:29:37.970]  Uh...
[01:29:37.970 --> 01:29:41.810]  And what we don't have is a genuine citizen's movement.
[01:29:41.910 --> 01:29:47.330]  Now, I think Jesse Ventura worked some real magic in his state.
[01:29:48.750 --> 01:29:49.270]  Um...
[01:29:49.270 --> 01:29:52.370]  And Schwarzenegger has been good.
[01:29:52.450 --> 01:29:58.970]  I mean, the Austrians are pissed off that he can't be president, because they want him to be president, so Austria can become the 52nd state.
[01:29:58.970 --> 01:29:59.910]  Um...
[01:30:01.950 --> 01:30:07.970]  But, you know, all it takes is the ability to balance the truth in public.
[01:30:08.350 --> 01:30:11.610]  And that's why I'm so opposed to all of these secret deals.
[01:30:11.810 --> 01:30:15.710]  The Health Reform Act is all this obscure secret bullshit.
[01:30:16.110 --> 01:30:25.730]  I mean, in fact, in Europe, there's a Copyright Act that is being voted on, and the members voting on the act aren't being allowed to read the copyright provisions.
[01:30:26.710 --> 01:30:27.270]  What?
[01:30:27.550 --> 01:30:27.850]  Yeah.
[01:30:27.850 --> 01:30:27.890]  Yeah.
[01:30:28.410 --> 01:30:29.150]  The UK.
[01:30:30.170 --> 01:30:30.610]  Um...
[01:30:30.610 --> 01:30:32.530]  They're not being allowed to read all of the provisions.
[01:30:32.570 --> 01:30:35.530]  And a lot of the WTO and IMF stuff is secret.
[01:30:35.770 --> 01:30:39.450]  And so all of these triggers back and forth, you know, are secret.
[01:30:55.690 --> 01:30:56.130]  Um...
[01:30:56.130 --> 01:31:05.090]  that their leadership cannot be trusted, that they do not represent the public interest, and that we would be much better off basically going with no party.
[01:31:06.030 --> 01:31:06.630]  Um...
[01:31:06.630 --> 01:31:09.110]  And electing people whom we tell...
[01:31:09.110 --> 01:31:13.250]  There's a wonderful book called Tyrannicide, where congressmen start dying.
[01:31:14.750 --> 01:31:15.350]  Um...
[01:31:15.350 --> 01:31:16.010]  Imagine that.
[01:31:16.010 --> 01:31:16.570]  Okay.
[01:31:17.910 --> 01:31:18.390]  Um...
[01:31:18.390 --> 01:31:19.390]  And not accidentally.
[01:31:20.290 --> 01:31:20.650]  Uh...
[01:31:20.650 --> 01:31:21.370]  I'll tell you what.
[01:31:21.570 --> 01:31:21.730]  If...
[01:31:21.730 --> 01:31:27.470]  If three congressmen in a row die in this congress, you're going to see a lot of shit pants being sent to the cleaners.
[01:31:28.410 --> 01:31:28.890]  Uh...
[01:31:29.850 --> 01:31:35.030]  Because if three congressmen in a row die, that's not an accident.
[01:31:35.030 --> 01:31:36.250]  Uh...
[01:31:36.250 --> 01:31:36.750]  And...
[01:31:36.750 --> 01:31:38.330]  I think there's a spontaneous...
[01:31:38.330 --> 01:31:40.830]  There's a spontaneous anger in America.
[01:31:41.130 --> 01:31:46.330]  I used to give speeches for the American Council on Foreign Relations, and I visited 19 cities across America.
[01:31:46.630 --> 01:31:51.050]  And I was absolutely stunned at the upper middle class anger.
[01:31:51.670 --> 01:31:55.610]  At the incapacity and lack of integrity of the federal government.
[01:31:56.510 --> 01:31:56.650]  Uh...
[01:31:56.650 --> 01:31:57.490]  There is...
[01:31:57.490 --> 01:31:58.870]  I mean, Americans are not fools.
[01:31:59.310 --> 01:32:00.810]  They know they're being screwed.
[01:32:01.230 --> 01:32:02.610]  But they feel powerless.
[01:32:02.610 --> 01:32:03.170]  And...
[01:32:03.170 --> 01:32:04.210]  And so I think we're...
[01:32:04.210 --> 01:32:06.290]  We're waiting for this magic moment.
[01:32:06.730 --> 01:32:10.670]  When all of a sudden everybody realized, we don't have to put up with this shit anymore.
[01:32:10.910 --> 01:32:11.830]  Fire the asshole.
[01:32:12.110 --> 01:32:18.550]  And tell the new asshole that if he votes party line, we will recall his ass within a week.
[01:32:19.450 --> 01:32:19.930]  Okay.
[01:32:19.930 --> 01:32:20.330]  Forget that office.
[01:32:20.570 --> 01:32:20.830]  Huh?
[01:32:21.230 --> 01:32:22.710]  Forget that corner office.
[01:32:22.910 --> 01:32:23.130]  A.
[01:32:23.290 --> 01:32:30.150]  I would much rather keep my integrity and have the affection and respect of my community than have that larger office.
[01:32:30.330 --> 01:32:32.430]  But these guys are seeing it in a different way.
[01:32:33.750 --> 01:32:34.310]  Cool.
[01:32:34.590 --> 01:32:35.430]  Glad to hear that.
[01:32:36.450 --> 01:32:37.370]  If I may.
[01:32:38.150 --> 01:32:38.430]  Uh...
[01:32:38.430 --> 01:32:40.250]  My name is Lou, otherwise known as Smoke.
[01:32:41.070 --> 01:32:41.430]  Uh...
[01:32:41.430 --> 01:32:46.550]  Two years ago, and two years before that, I gave speeches here at the HOPE conference.
[01:32:47.190 --> 01:32:49.050]  Kind of sort of a two-part speech.
[01:32:49.570 --> 01:32:50.030]  Um...
[01:32:50.030 --> 01:32:54.870]  Half the speech involved designing and implementing an electronic...
[01:32:54.870 --> 01:33:04.350]  Electronic voting infrastructure that allowed the people to directly select and elect whatever... business...
[01:33:06.990 --> 01:33:12.550]  Whatever civic business that they can conduct through the government directly.
[01:33:12.850 --> 01:33:13.230]  Okay?
[01:33:13.590 --> 01:33:22.670]  The other part of that involved replacing the current two-party system with a direct election infrastructure.
[01:33:22.670 --> 01:33:24.990]  I'm still actually working on that project.
[01:33:25.090 --> 01:33:40.750]  I'm actually more working on the technical aspects of that involving using a hardware codified cryptography subsystem resembling and depending upon a trusted platform module to implement that design.
[01:33:40.930 --> 01:33:42.770]  As I said, it's a work in progress right now.
[01:33:42.770 --> 01:33:44.070]  But my question is this.
[01:33:44.450 --> 01:34:05.810]  In your opinion, based on your experience with government as it has been for God knows how long now, what do you think it would take to replace this dual party system that has served, succeeded, and failed this country for the past 200 years with a system of direct democracy?
[01:34:05.810 --> 01:34:06.370]  Okay.
[01:34:06.670 --> 01:34:11.190]  That can be securely and verifiably implemented.
[01:34:12.050 --> 01:34:14.210]  I'm going to try and get to two slides.
[01:34:14.230 --> 01:34:15.030]  Sorry for the big question.
[01:34:15.090 --> 01:34:15.330]  No, no.
[01:34:15.430 --> 01:34:16.310]  It's a great question.
[01:34:16.430 --> 01:34:17.890]  It's an absolutely great question.
[01:34:19.950 --> 01:34:20.430]  And...
[01:34:21.110 --> 01:34:21.590]  Okay.
[01:34:22.450 --> 01:34:26.710]  And what I want to try and do is figure out this computer.
[01:34:26.890 --> 01:34:27.310]  I'm sorry.
[01:34:30.750 --> 01:34:31.410]  All right.
[01:34:31.590 --> 01:34:31.670]  Yeah.
[01:34:31.950 --> 01:34:32.370]  All right.
[01:34:32.370 --> 01:34:33.250]  Show me a screen.
[01:34:35.930 --> 01:34:36.730]  You're amazing.
[01:34:37.110 --> 01:34:39.290]  Pick up a copy of each book on your way out.
[01:34:39.870 --> 01:34:40.110]  All right.
[01:34:40.610 --> 01:34:41.250]  No charge.
[01:34:46.140 --> 01:34:47.080]  Except for me.
[01:34:48.620 --> 01:34:56.480]  Let me go back to the briefing that I gave earlier because I want to show you one slide.
[01:34:56.480 --> 01:34:59.980]  I hired Joe Trippi for a little bit.
[01:35:00.500 --> 01:35:02.420]  And I really respect Joe Trippi.
[01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:10.000]  And we put together something that I'm not sure I can show it to you right now, but I'll show you something, sort of part of it.
[01:35:12.340 --> 01:35:13.000]  Let's see.
[01:35:13.580 --> 01:35:14.020]  Conferences.
[01:35:14.760 --> 01:35:15.200]  HOPE.
[01:35:15.380 --> 01:35:16.500]  HOPE, HOPE, HOPE, HOPE.
[01:35:16.740 --> 01:35:17.180]  2010.
[01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:19.040]  With t-shirt.
[01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:24.920]  That's not what I wanted to do.
[01:35:27.020 --> 01:35:27.320]  View.
[01:35:28.340 --> 01:35:29.600]  Slide sorter.
[01:35:30.200 --> 01:35:30.340]  Okay.
[01:35:30.560 --> 01:35:30.940]  Here we go.
[01:35:35.020 --> 01:35:36.000]  Let's see.
[01:35:36.420 --> 01:35:38.340]  View slideshow.
[01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:40.720]  Let me go forward.
[01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:42.500]  Whoops.
[01:35:48.670 --> 01:35:49.510]  Yeah.
[01:35:50.850 --> 01:35:51.690]  Okay.
[01:35:53.110 --> 01:35:54.770]  Trippi and I came together.
[01:35:54.770 --> 01:36:01.790]  I was very impressed by what Joe Trippi did for Howard Dean, who, by the way, has broken with the Democratic Party.
[01:36:04.950 --> 01:36:16.570]  And we came to the conclusion that what was missing from the Trippi-Dean initiative the first time around was budget numbers and policy substance.
[01:36:17.570 --> 01:36:19.450]  And so we came up with this.
[01:36:19.590 --> 01:36:26.330]  And the whole idea here is that for every line in the budget, there should be a one pager that explains it.
[01:36:26.530 --> 01:36:32.370]  And there should be a place where there can be a moderated public discussion of each issue and each agency with a spreadsheet of the U.S.
[01:36:32.510 --> 01:36:32.710]  budget.
[01:36:32.710 --> 01:36:37.750]  And you should be able to compare alternative proposals line by line.
[01:36:37.950 --> 01:36:43.770]  Now, the Republicans and Democrats don't want you to do that because they actually don't have this.
[01:36:44.450 --> 01:36:45.030]  Okay.
[01:36:45.150 --> 01:36:48.910]  They basically just throw money around and magic happens here.
[01:36:49.050 --> 01:36:53.630]  And they get their 5% and the contractors get their 95% and we get screwed.
[01:36:55.690 --> 01:37:00.030]  But I don't know how many of you have seen the national budget simulation that's online.
[01:37:00.490 --> 01:37:01.070]  Okay.
[01:37:01.070 --> 01:37:04.250]  That's a pretty good piece of work and it could be made better.
[01:37:04.530 --> 01:37:14.990]  But there's no reason why we can't get to today immediately my budget at the national level, at the state level, at the county level, at the municipality level.
[01:37:15.350 --> 01:37:22.550]  And the only thing you have to do in doing my budget is identify yourself by zip code and by party preference.
[01:37:23.350 --> 01:37:25.990]  And out of 65 parties, not the two.
[01:37:27.110 --> 01:37:33.310]  And then all of the Greens in a zip code would have their budget aggregated.
[01:37:33.830 --> 01:37:36.970]  And all of the Libertarians and all of the Republicans and so forth.
[01:37:37.510 --> 01:37:44.370]  This then allows a deliberative dialogue to take place in which you can actually discuss trade-offs.
[01:37:45.890 --> 01:37:50.270]  So I don't think we're very far from the vision that you have.
[01:37:50.550 --> 01:37:55.850]  And I'm sorry I can't show you the other slide because I'm not sure how fast I can reach it.
[01:37:56.030 --> 01:37:57.630]  But I have another slide.
[01:37:57.790 --> 01:37:59.890]  It's worth looking for on Phi Beta Iota.
[01:37:59.890 --> 01:38:05.750]  It's a slide in which we self-fund the political process.
[01:38:06.670 --> 01:38:11.630]  And we basically put all of the political action things out of business.
[01:38:12.290 --> 01:38:23.990]  And we actually contribute only to a generic thing which will fund any candidate at any level up to X.
[01:38:24.190 --> 01:38:31.410]  And, of course, public free airtime and no 527s or whatever they're called.
[01:38:31.610 --> 01:38:32.050]  All right.
[01:38:32.110 --> 01:38:36.510]  We're getting very close to a point where we can actually do this.
[01:38:36.750 --> 01:38:40.810]  And we can do it first at the county level, then at the state level, then at the national level.
[01:38:40.810 --> 01:38:41.230]  But...
[01:38:41.230 --> 01:38:43.890]  I was actually thinking more of the local level.
[01:38:44.490 --> 01:38:51.070]  I've actually been tinkering with the notion of myself, for example, of running for mayor for a small community, for example.
[01:38:51.490 --> 01:38:51.910]  Sheriff.
[01:38:52.610 --> 01:38:53.170]  No.
[01:38:53.370 --> 01:38:53.510]  No.
[01:38:53.630 --> 01:38:54.070]  Not sheriff.
[01:38:54.850 --> 01:38:57.630]  It's not a question of implementing the current law.
[01:38:57.910 --> 01:39:05.670]  It would be a question of reforming the law starting on a local level and simply beginning a direct...
[01:39:06.550 --> 01:39:10.590]  It's beginning to implement and build a direct democracy infrastructure.
[01:39:10.850 --> 01:39:23.350]  Like what is common in Switzerland, for example, where the people meet on a regular basis and conduct their civic business altogether in one shot and to actually go beyond that.
[01:39:24.030 --> 01:39:25.650]  It's a very good model.
[01:39:25.930 --> 01:39:27.130]  And I agree with you.
[01:39:27.210 --> 01:39:37.970]  My one reservation is that I fear that local politics would be used to consume the reformers and keep them from national reform.
[01:39:38.730 --> 01:39:40.950]  So, I have absolutely zero...
[01:39:40.950 --> 01:39:41.770]  Maybe that's okay.
[01:39:43.710 --> 01:39:49.190]  I am not a politician and I have no real...
[01:39:50.050 --> 01:39:51.930]  With one brief exception, neither am I.
[01:39:52.070 --> 01:39:56.350]  As I said, I'm more interested in the technological end at the moment.
[01:39:56.350 --> 01:40:11.410]  Meaning that the technological end would be so that people can conduct their civic business over a securable and verifiable Internet connection that does not exist at this time.
[01:40:11.610 --> 01:40:30.890]  I intend to build this so that everything can be verified and attested remotely using a TPM chipset or TPM-like so that everything can be verified in an open-source manner.
[01:40:31.090 --> 01:40:35.130]  Well, I'm with you, but it has to be based on a cell phone, not a laptop.
[01:40:35.710 --> 01:40:44.130]  And you have to make sure that everyone who is eligible to vote either has a cell phone or has access to like a public library place where they can...
[01:40:44.130 --> 01:40:45.230]  To expound further upon that option.
[01:40:45.330 --> 01:40:51.450]  I was thinking more like a live CD with a USB dongle where the dongle held the TPM chipset.
[01:40:52.930 --> 01:40:54.150]  Gosh, that was exciting.
[01:40:56.150 --> 01:40:56.590]  Okay.
[01:40:57.930 --> 01:40:59.090]  As I said, it's a work in progress.
[01:40:59.090 --> 01:41:00.350]  Watch my eyes glaze over.
[01:41:00.930 --> 01:41:05.870]  I would say make that a birds of a feather session and let's move on.
[01:41:06.490 --> 01:41:07.730]  Because I don't think there's any...
[01:41:07.730 --> 01:41:08.230]  As I said, I'm working on it.
[01:41:08.410 --> 01:41:10.170]  Yeah, there's nothing constructive I can do.
[01:41:10.170 --> 01:41:13.390]  I hope to have something concrete within the next year.
[01:41:13.490 --> 01:41:14.250]  That'd be great.
[01:41:14.630 --> 01:41:15.170]  Ma'am.
[01:41:15.170 --> 01:41:22.630]  What do you think of the militarization of our police, their exercises with foreign troops on our soil, and the disregard for posse comitatus?
[01:41:24.010 --> 01:41:28.210]  Well, first off, the police aren't covered by posse comitatus.
[01:41:28.210 --> 01:41:30.670]  I'm not sure about foreign troops.
[01:41:31.370 --> 01:41:44.890]  But I am very, very concerned about rumors that I've heard about FEMA talking to various police departments, notably the Los Angeles Police Department, about the federalization of all state polices.
[01:41:46.890 --> 01:41:49.650]  That is a crime waiting to happen.
[01:41:50.490 --> 01:41:57.890]  And I'm very pleased that some sheriffs refuse to enforce eviction orders.
[01:41:58.170 --> 01:42:01.170]  I think we need to really look deeply.
[01:42:01.510 --> 01:42:04.290]  And again, this is part of scrubbing Congress.
[01:42:04.490 --> 01:42:06.090]  We really need to look deeply.
[01:42:06.210 --> 01:42:07.930]  I mean, the federal government is out of control.
[01:42:07.930 --> 01:42:09.190]  I've said this many times.
[01:42:09.290 --> 01:42:10.670]  It is out of control.
[01:42:10.670 --> 01:42:20.010]  And I'm very concerned about the combination of men without a country in certain places in Arkansas and Washington State.
[01:42:20.570 --> 01:42:30.150]  There are military compounds that are unmarked, that have people with no passports who are armed, who would be quite happy to kill U.S. citizens.
[01:42:32.990 --> 01:42:38.890]  We have U.S. military people being handpicked because they answer yes to the question, would you be willing to disarm Americans?
[01:42:40.650 --> 01:42:43.890]  And I think we're treading on very thin ice in this area.
[01:42:44.630 --> 01:42:48.230]  I'm also very concerned about all of the Halliburton detention facilities.
[01:42:49.090 --> 01:42:58.470]  One of the reasons I want to legalize marijuana and release everybody that's been put in prison for marijuana is because that will give me a whole bunch of pissed off guys that know how to fight.
[01:43:00.830 --> 01:43:07.810]  And I think we really, really have to seriously contemplate the possibility that the federal government is our enemy.
[01:43:07.990 --> 01:43:11.170]  And I don't mean the good people working for the federal government.
[01:43:11.170 --> 01:43:14.590]  I mean the really bad people managing the federal government.
[01:43:15.030 --> 01:43:20.690]  And I am not here to cast stones and I'm not here to say reject your government.
[01:43:20.690 --> 01:43:27.590]  I'm here to say your government's lost its mind and we really need to figure out how to get the grip.
[01:43:27.790 --> 01:43:28.210]  Yes, ma'am.
[01:43:28.370 --> 01:43:29.730]  Have you heard of Oath Keepers?
[01:43:30.110 --> 01:43:31.710]  Oath Keepers, no.
[01:43:32.410 --> 01:43:33.910]  Do you want to tell us about it?
[01:43:42.370 --> 01:43:50.610]  Just a coalition of law enforcement and military who are re-swearing their oath to the Constitution as opposed to the chain of command as you've been referring to.
[01:43:50.810 --> 01:43:51.830]  That's excellent.
[01:43:52.030 --> 01:43:56.230]  I'm also very pleased with the citizen's jury rights manual.
[01:43:57.010 --> 01:44:04.250]  Juries not only have the right to clear anybody, they also have a right to overturn the law upon which the accusation was based.
[01:44:04.890 --> 01:44:07.350]  And it's time we started enforcing that right.
[01:44:07.550 --> 01:44:22.270]  Part of the problem with that is not the idea, but the discipline that's being, even if it's social discipline, being put upon the people who are in positions of authority who join Oath Keepers or ascribe to talking about that.
[01:44:22.510 --> 01:44:22.690]  Mm-hmm.
[01:44:23.890 --> 01:44:28.330]  So it's something that exists that's growing, but it's frowned heavily upon by the actual establishment.
[01:44:28.550 --> 01:44:29.150]  I love it.
[01:44:29.350 --> 01:44:33.770]  I would be very pleased if you sent me something that would help me post something on Oath Keepers.
[01:44:34.630 --> 01:44:37.790]  I think the Constitution is a very valuable document.
[01:44:37.790 --> 01:44:40.450]  I think we're long overdue for a constitutional convention.
[01:44:41.950 --> 01:44:47.470]  And I think it's time we got into the 21st century, and I would love to see a constitutional convention.
[01:44:47.630 --> 01:44:47.990]  Yes, sir?
[01:44:49.450 --> 01:44:50.150]  Oh, all right.
[01:44:50.750 --> 01:44:51.670]  Finish your statement now.
[01:44:51.670 --> 01:44:52.150]  No, I'm done.
[01:44:52.370 --> 01:44:52.750]  You're done?
[01:44:53.390 --> 01:44:53.730]  Okay.
[01:44:54.590 --> 01:44:55.630]  We have a driver.
[01:44:57.130 --> 01:44:57.470]  Meh.
[01:44:57.570 --> 01:45:01.230]  And whatever you need to keep going, just let me know.
[01:45:01.310 --> 01:45:02.810]  And if you want to quit, of course, that's okay.
[01:45:02.810 --> 01:45:04.130]  No, I'm not quitting.
[01:45:05.010 --> 01:45:10.810]  I'll be here as long as this group wants me here, but I have to stop at 10, and I'd rather stop at 8.
[01:45:11.510 --> 01:45:15.230]  If you guys want to go for the all-time record, so if I get a bullet in my chest...
[01:45:15.230 --> 01:45:15.910]  Okay, let's...
[01:45:15.910 --> 01:45:16.010]  Let's stop at 8.
[01:45:16.170 --> 01:45:16.870]  Let him stop at 8.
[01:45:17.510 --> 01:45:18.070]  What, 8?
[01:45:18.310 --> 01:45:18.610]  Yeah.
[01:45:18.950 --> 01:45:19.830]  You want to stop at 8?
[01:45:19.930 --> 01:45:21.770]  You really think you can handle 8?
[01:45:23.090 --> 01:45:24.410]  Let's take a quick...
[01:45:24.410 --> 01:45:26.050]  Do you mind if I take a quick audience poll?
[01:45:26.410 --> 01:45:31.810]  How many people, if he is willing to do so, would stay here until the next talk at 10am?
[01:45:32.390 --> 01:45:33.190]  Round of applause.
[01:45:33.210 --> 01:45:33.930]  No, no, no, no.
[01:45:34.030 --> 01:45:34.290]  No, no, no.
[01:45:34.530 --> 01:45:34.810]  Bad.
[01:45:35.450 --> 01:45:35.850]  Bad.
[01:45:37.170 --> 01:45:37.570]  Okay.
[01:45:38.550 --> 01:45:40.250]  8 is a nice round figure.
[01:45:40.510 --> 01:45:41.270]  How many people...
[01:45:41.270 --> 01:45:42.990]  Would 8 be an all-time record?
[01:45:43.190 --> 01:45:43.790]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:45:44.050 --> 01:45:45.450]  It'd be double the all-time record.
[01:45:45.650 --> 01:45:45.790]  No, no.
[01:45:45.790 --> 01:45:49.950]  Just for the record, we now are at an hour and 45 over the last year's record.
[01:45:50.630 --> 01:45:50.950]  Hmm.
[01:45:51.470 --> 01:45:54.010]  How many people want him to go until 8am?
[01:45:54.290 --> 01:45:55.030]  Round of applause.
[01:45:55.470 --> 01:45:55.750]  All right.
[01:45:55.930 --> 01:45:56.170]  All right.
[01:45:56.990 --> 01:45:59.830]  Now, that means you guys got to keep feeding him questions until then.
[01:45:59.910 --> 01:46:00.610]  Yes, thank you.
[01:46:00.610 --> 01:46:01.010]  Okay.
[01:46:01.210 --> 01:46:02.910]  And then let me know if there's anything else you need.
[01:46:03.050 --> 01:46:04.010]  I'll keep checking up here.
[01:46:04.250 --> 01:46:11.310]  No, and although I'll consider the driver, I generally like to drive myself because I pee a lot between here and Virginia.
[01:46:12.490 --> 01:46:13.510]  Get your jaw.
[01:46:13.690 --> 01:46:16.070]  And I want to control where and when.
[01:46:16.710 --> 01:46:17.110]  Okay.
[01:46:17.330 --> 01:46:17.870]  All right.
[01:46:18.010 --> 01:46:19.830]  We'll keep staff here until 8.
[01:46:19.830 --> 01:46:22.610]  Guys, round of applause.
[01:46:22.850 --> 01:46:23.330]  Energy.
[01:46:23.450 --> 01:46:23.770]  Energy.
[01:46:23.770 --> 01:46:25.010]  Get him going until 8am.
[01:46:25.830 --> 01:46:33.950]  But if someone needs a ride to Virginia leaving at 8.15, it's possible I would consider that.
[01:46:34.890 --> 01:46:37.030]  Because I have to put books in the back seat.
[01:46:37.470 --> 01:46:38.050]  Thank you.
[01:46:38.050 --> 01:46:38.670]  Okay.
[01:46:39.370 --> 01:46:40.690]  Go on, sir, please.
[01:46:41.370 --> 01:46:43.990]  Back to the direct democracy.
[01:46:44.470 --> 01:46:58.470]  What stops the 51% that's easily influenced, let's say, the poor being convinced that a death tax or an estate tax is in their best interest to get rid of it, from raping the rights of the other 49%?
[01:47:04.240 --> 01:47:11.460]  All I can say is that I think education has been very much abused.
[01:47:14.860 --> 01:47:20.820]  And the whole issue of propaganda, I mean propaganda actually means to propagate an idea.
[01:47:21.040 --> 01:47:22.980]  It doesn't mean to manipulate the truth.
[01:47:24.180 --> 01:47:27.740]  And it's the conflict of visions and the conflict of interests.
[01:47:27.740 --> 01:47:35.080]  I don't have all the answers, but I do believe that if everybody is engaged, they're offsetting balances.
[01:47:36.900 --> 01:47:46.540]  And I really recommend this book, Non-Zero Sum, because the point he makes is that it's not win-lose.
[01:47:46.940 --> 01:47:49.280]  It's win-win or lose-lose.
[01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:51.860]  And that's a really cool point.
[01:47:53.060 --> 01:47:55.180]  So, again, it comes back to community.
[01:47:55.460 --> 01:48:00.620]  It comes back to understanding that we can't survive without one another.
[01:48:01.400 --> 01:48:10.200]  And I have no real answer that's definitive, other than to say, I think we're at a point now where the poor have the most to gain by being smart.
[01:48:12.620 --> 01:48:16.000]  I was going to answer that question partially myself, at least.
[01:48:16.140 --> 01:48:16.940]  You're right.
[01:48:17.040 --> 01:48:18.840]  There's no fast definitive answer.
[01:48:19.360 --> 01:48:31.940]  If anyone would decide to read the Federalist Papers, for example, James Madison and a lot of the other early adopters of the original Constitution gave various warnings about that particular situation.
[01:48:32.600 --> 01:48:40.140]  That would depend in large part on the structure that would be implemented, as well as the improvements that can be made thereafter.
[01:48:40.480 --> 01:48:44.500]  So, as he just said, there's really no hard and fast answer.
[01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:50.080]  But the Federalist Papers that were written 200 years ago would be a good place to start.
[01:48:50.480 --> 01:48:51.000]  Yeah.
[01:48:51.320 --> 01:48:55.300]  And the tourney of the minority is very good.
[01:48:55.420 --> 01:49:02.580]  I mean, what I like is the Native American principle, which basically is what we're doing here, is nobody leaves until we agree.
[01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:13.620]  And it's remarkable how that brings in consensus, because the filibuster of the individual actually leads to...
[01:49:13.620 --> 01:49:15.720]  I mean, I was very impressed in Denmark.
[01:49:15.900 --> 01:49:32.480]  I completely lost my cool with this black guy who thought Lincoln was a savior, had no idea that Lincoln did the Emancipation Proclamation just as military necessity, and it only applied to those in the South, did not apply to the North and the West.
[01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:38.620]  And he had no clue that the South had been carpetbagged for 12 years after the war.
[01:49:40.860 --> 01:49:42.720]  And so I got very angry at him.
[01:49:43.000 --> 01:49:52.880]  But in the process of getting angry at him, which I realized I should never, ever do again, I saw the remarkable integrity of the Danish people.
[01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:56.460]  They have learned how to talk without getting angry.
[01:49:56.880 --> 01:50:02.920]  And they have learned how to lay out extremely important, complex things and how to disagree.
[01:50:03.180 --> 01:50:05.500]  And that, frankly, has never been my strength.
[01:50:06.700 --> 01:50:07.940]  Nonviolent communication?
[01:50:07.940 --> 01:50:11.460]  Well, but intelligent, nonviolent communication.
[01:50:12.100 --> 01:50:17.980]  And, I mean, I almost have a churning in my stomach now as I realize how much I failed, but how much they've succeeded.
[01:50:18.420 --> 01:50:30.600]  I mean, the whole Danish... Tom Attlee, whose books I recommend, Co-Intelligence, Creating a World That Works For All, and his more recent book, Reflections on Evolution or Evolutionary Activism.
[01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:37.180]  Tom is the one who introduced me to the whole idea of the Danish Citizens' Wisdom Council.
[01:50:37.540 --> 01:50:50.360]  I mean, when the Danes want to consider something like whether they should import genetically altered corn, they pick 12 Danish citizens whose only qualification is that they know nothing about the subject.
[01:50:50.580 --> 01:50:53.100]  And then they have the status of a Supreme Court.
[01:50:53.100 --> 01:50:57.240]  They can call witnesses, they can interrogate people, they can subpoena documents.
[01:50:57.540 --> 01:51:02.640]  And at the end of it, these 12 people decide on behalf of Denmark, and that's the way it's going to be.
[01:51:02.860 --> 01:51:04.400]  I mean, that's really cool.
[01:51:05.420 --> 01:51:14.080]  And I really want to emphasize the fact that the 12 people are chosen for lack of knowledge about the topic and for their common sense.
[01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:15.560]  That's what Plato said.
[01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:16.480]  Really?
[01:51:17.080 --> 01:51:20.020]  Wasn't Plato's Republic all about the...
[01:51:20.620 --> 01:51:25.680]  The person who's least qualified for the job should be the one who has it in government.
[01:51:26.160 --> 01:51:30.360]  Well, that makes a lot of sense in some ways.
[01:51:30.980 --> 01:51:31.460]  Unfortunately...
[01:51:31.460 --> 01:51:33.180]  They don't want the job, so they have no...
[01:51:33.180 --> 01:51:33.520]  Right.
[01:51:33.780 --> 01:51:38.020]  But instead, what we have now is the least qualified in the job who want the job.
[01:51:39.080 --> 01:51:40.720]  And make a hash of it.
[01:51:41.480 --> 01:51:42.620]  So, all right, sir.
[01:51:43.720 --> 01:51:47.800]  So, actually, that kind of tied into what I was going to ask a little bit better than what I was expecting.
[01:51:49.100 --> 01:51:59.620]  I guess one of the things that's been going on in the back of my head for a while is, if we got rid of all of the politicians, got rid of, stopped making professional lawyers and professional politicians, replaced all of the politicians with engineers...
[01:52:00.860 --> 01:52:01.820]  Ooh, even worse.
[01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:07.720]  But the engineers still had to hold themselves to their code of ethics.
[01:52:08.220 --> 01:52:09.340]  And they still had to go...
[01:52:09.340 --> 01:52:10.520]  There's an engineering code of ethics?
[01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:11.940]  There are several.
[01:52:12.040 --> 01:52:12.520]  Break it off!
[01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:16.720]  You have to exit the system to actually develop it, but yes.
[01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:17.380]  Okay.
[01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:20.900]  He said that you have to exit the system to actually develop it.
[01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:21.200]  Okay.
[01:52:21.340 --> 01:52:21.740]  Keep going.
[01:52:21.740 --> 01:52:36.100]  So, if you replace all of these professional lawyers, people who are going to school to become politicians, with engineers who go to school to do things methodically, logically, get things done, and not worry about, you know, trivial things that don't actually matter,
[01:52:36.180 --> 01:52:46.480]  and focus on what's important, do you think that that would be a change that could potentially work in an ideal world where it might actually happen, as opposed to...
[01:52:46.480 --> 01:52:58.860]  Well, you know, Joe Fox from IBM wrote a book, and I forget the title, it might have been about quality, but he said the opposite of virtue is not vice.
[01:52:59.080 --> 01:53:00.660]  It's virtue carried to an extreme.
[01:53:01.440 --> 01:53:10.340]  And one of the things that I think is bad in any system is a monopoly.
[01:53:10.960 --> 01:53:15.260]  In other words, the only thing worse than all politicians is all everything else.
[01:53:16.000 --> 01:53:18.300]  So, I would never want all engineers.
[01:53:18.300 --> 01:53:20.080]  I'd want... I mean, E.O. Wilson wrote a book called Consilience, which answers the question, why do the sciences need the humanities?
[01:53:26.300 --> 01:53:26.840]  It's a great book.
[01:53:26.960 --> 01:53:27.820]  Yes, it is.
[01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:33.320]  And it's one of the toughest books I've ever read, and it's absolutely the most intelligent footnotes I've ever read.
[01:53:33.580 --> 01:53:38.000]  I mean, this is one of those books where I start with the index, go onto the footnotes, and then read the book.
[01:53:40.200 --> 01:53:43.540]  I think it's actually one of about three that I've had to read that way.
[01:53:44.820 --> 01:53:47.220]  So, it's not about all engineers.
[01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:54.660]  It's about diversity, clarity, integrity, and it's about making sure that every voice is heard.
[01:53:54.660 --> 01:53:57.540]  I mean, there's a wonderful literature emerging on voices lost.
[01:53:58.420 --> 01:54:07.480]  We have sacrificed so much in our repression of the indigenous people, including centuries' worth of learning, and centuries' worth of experience.
[01:54:08.660 --> 01:54:15.820]  And also, I don't want to get too far carried away with this, but engineers lack soul.
[01:54:17.080 --> 01:54:17.480]  Ego.
[01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:18.420]  Too big.
[01:54:18.680 --> 01:54:19.080]  Yeah.
[01:54:19.400 --> 01:54:20.080]  Also, ego.
[01:54:20.260 --> 01:54:20.820]  Way too big.
[01:54:21.560 --> 01:54:22.180]  Way too big.
[01:54:22.180 --> 01:54:22.200]  Way too big.
[01:54:22.540 --> 01:54:27.280]  And so, you know, the rational methodical is not always the best way to get someplace.
[01:54:28.580 --> 01:54:33.840]  It may be that you need a little bit of lunacy, and a little bit of humanity, and so forth.
[01:54:38.940 --> 01:54:40.560]  Do we have sheep in the audience?
[01:54:42.680 --> 01:54:45.630]  Is that a, is that like a sheep having an orgasm?
[01:54:46.480 --> 01:54:46.940]  Or...
[01:54:55.420 --> 01:54:57.280]  Well, the same ones can move forward.
[01:54:57.600 --> 01:54:57.980]  Yes, sir.
[01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:00.720]  Me again, I guess.
[01:55:00.820 --> 01:55:05.800]  So, I guess I had one other question, which is related a lot to education.
[01:55:06.580 --> 01:55:19.900]  And I guess something that I've seen recently, at least with my college education, things that I've been going through, is that it seems like the current political environment, which is the term that other people are using to describe a particular situation,
[01:55:20.280 --> 01:55:25.380]  has had a negative impact on the creativity that, that students are allowed to express.
[01:55:26.180 --> 01:55:30.260]  And I'm wondering if you see that, and if you see any resolution to that in the near future.
[01:55:32.280 --> 01:55:33.460]  We've really blown it.
[01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:37.500]  I mean, we're so focused on credentialing, we've completely dismissed learning.
[01:55:39.160 --> 01:55:40.860]  And there are a number of books.
[01:55:40.900 --> 01:55:45.500]  I think I've got over 80 books in my education category at Phi Beta Iota.
[01:55:45.900 --> 01:55:52.160]  I mean, among the books that have really impressed me are Orbiting the Giant Hairball and Weapons of Mass Instruction.
[01:55:52.160 --> 01:55:56.260]  I just recently reviewed a book on why students don't like school.
[01:55:58.560 --> 01:55:59.920]  There's just a bunch of them.
[01:56:00.400 --> 01:56:06.300]  And unfortunately, I think we have learned to manage ourselves to the lowest common denominator.
[01:56:08.040 --> 01:56:15.340]  And we tend to focus on the 20% worst and the 20% best, and then we kind of just like leave the middle alone.
[01:56:15.340 --> 01:56:20.140]  We, we are totally off base with respect to rote learning.
[01:56:21.880 --> 01:56:24.920]  I mean, we have a 1950 school system.
[01:56:25.980 --> 01:56:27.880]  And we don't do team learning.
[01:56:28.020 --> 01:56:29.320]  We don't do learning to learn.
[01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:31.640]  We don't do enough hands on.
[01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:37.360]  We, we, we don't use the, huh?
[01:56:37.660 --> 01:56:38.260]  Outdoors.
[01:56:38.500 --> 01:56:39.480]  Yeah, outdoors.
[01:56:39.740 --> 01:56:40.180]  Absolutely.
[01:56:41.540 --> 01:56:43.900]  We've, we've sacrificed art and music.
[01:56:43.900 --> 01:56:46.360]  And it turns out art and music help you think better.
[01:56:46.680 --> 01:56:50.660]  Uh, we've sacrificed physical education, cultural studies.
[01:56:50.940 --> 01:56:52.720]  We've bastardized college.
[01:56:53.220 --> 01:57:05.760]  I mean, everything from feminazis to, to, uh, culture of the black lesbian, uh, one-legged doo-doo.
[01:57:06.120 --> 01:57:06.280]  You know?
[01:57:06.480 --> 01:57:07.440]  I mean, it's just, come on.
[01:57:08.400 --> 01:57:10.920]  Uh, liberal arts should be about learning to think.
[01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:15.660]  And, and it shouldn't be about forcing specific little things in there.
[01:57:15.900 --> 01:57:18.020]  Uh, so education is hosed.
[01:57:18.140 --> 01:57:22.660]  And I really go with Plato's comment, which Will Durant brought to my attention.
[01:57:22.980 --> 01:57:28.920]  Which is the single most important role of any organization is to teach and to educate.
[01:57:29.240 --> 01:57:32.280]  And to, to create organizational intelligence.
[01:57:34.280 --> 01:57:35.960]  I guess...
[01:57:35.960 --> 01:57:36.540]  I guess...

[00:00.000 --> 00:10.900]  ...school, like, say, some of the things that people do here, would have been laughed at, are now resulting in students being expelled, being fined tens of thousands of dollars, being removed, and...
[00:10.900 --> 00:12.080]  The peanut butter knife.
[00:14.480 --> 00:17.080]  I... I don't know.
[00:17.240 --> 00:27.720]  I really don't have answers in that sense, other than to absolutely agree that people have lost their mind, they've lost their balls, you know.
[00:27.720 --> 00:34.240]  I mean, in the Marine Corps, we have non-judicial punishment, and then we have non-commissioned officers punishment.
[00:34.980 --> 00:39.260]  And each one is a step down from really serious punishment.
[00:40.980 --> 00:41.900]  We've lost it.
[00:42.720 --> 00:44.040]  We've really lost it.
[00:45.160 --> 00:45.820]  Yes, sir.
[00:45.980 --> 00:48.060]  So, how do we find it?
[00:48.800 --> 00:49.940]  Well, we found it here.
[00:49.960 --> 00:53.740]  A lot of us are maybe a little bit, maybe past college.
[00:54.140 --> 00:55.500]  Some of us are in jobs.
[00:56.120 --> 01:02.040]  I hate to keep going back to WikiLeaks, but we have jobs that maybe expose us to information.
[01:02.320 --> 01:05.440]  But how do we fit into your vision?
[01:06.300 --> 01:08.860]  It's, first off, not my vision.
[01:09.460 --> 01:10.580]  Or a vision.
[01:10.580 --> 01:16.320]  Yeah, I mean, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin had the idea of Neuosphere and H.G. Wells' World Brain.
[01:17.700 --> 01:20.360]  And there's a number of books that I've reviewed.
[01:21.360 --> 01:26.340]  World Mind, Global Mind, and Howard Bloom's Global Brain.
[01:26.340 --> 01:38.220]  I think what's happening here is that information communications technology is leading to the ability to connect human brains.
[01:38.520 --> 01:41.280]  But we haven't matured our social skills.
[01:41.300 --> 01:42.920]  I certainly haven't.
[01:45.160 --> 01:49.560]  And we haven't learned how to manage ourselves.
[01:49.560 --> 01:57.000]  It's almost like the human that is being given this transformer uniform or whatever.
[01:57.040 --> 01:59.300]  But we haven't learned how to use it.
[01:59.680 --> 02:00.200]  Okay?
[02:00.560 --> 02:07.040]  So, I mean, if you look at how people are using cell phones, it's like to increase idiocy.
[02:09.960 --> 02:13.720]  I mean, I really, if I had the money, I'd buy one of those jammers.
[02:13.720 --> 02:15.360]  It's good for 100 feet around.
[02:15.680 --> 02:17.500]  And I would just drive around with it.
[02:19.120 --> 02:19.640]  You know?
[02:19.700 --> 02:20.840]  You need to make a car.
[02:21.860 --> 02:22.220]  Yeah.
[02:22.680 --> 02:23.600]  And in restaurants.
[02:24.980 --> 02:26.320]  Walking around New York City.
[02:26.840 --> 02:28.220]  Yeah, wouldn't that be fun?
[02:28.460 --> 02:29.360]  Wouldn't that be fun?
[02:29.360 --> 02:30.660]  That would be a fun hack.
[02:30.800 --> 02:33.440]  It's just everybody go out with the phone and close down the city.
[02:34.440 --> 02:39.100]  But the fact is, these phones are being used for valley girl bullshit.
[02:40.240 --> 02:51.320]  When in fact, they could be used for geospatial coordination, weather testing, biochemical sensing, linking up.
[02:52.220 --> 02:52.360]  You know?
[02:52.480 --> 02:54.100]  I mean, there's so much more we could do.
[02:54.280 --> 02:56.460]  So, we're way, way behind.
[02:56.900 --> 03:00.180]  And this is because the engineers haven't been talking to the humanities.
[03:01.460 --> 03:06.180]  Just like the computer was invented without a clue as to what people would actually do with it.
[03:06.240 --> 03:07.060]  Video games.
[03:08.060 --> 03:10.700]  You know, I fought my wife on this one.
[03:10.800 --> 03:12.520]  My kids grew up on Grand Theft Auto.
[03:13.760 --> 03:15.180]  And they're better for it.
[03:15.960 --> 03:16.220]  Amen.
[03:16.600 --> 03:16.860]  Amen.
[03:17.240 --> 03:17.360]  Yeah.
[03:17.520 --> 03:17.680]  Yes, sir.
[03:17.680 --> 03:19.400]  You don't have to jack a car in the city.
[03:20.020 --> 03:22.500]  Actually, they didn't learn how to jack a car.
[03:22.580 --> 03:24.240]  But they learned how to think in circles.
[03:24.500 --> 03:25.300]  And press triangle.
[03:29.740 --> 03:32.440]  I'm laughing because I know that's supposed to be funny.
[03:32.600 --> 03:33.660]  I'm actually clueless.
[03:35.300 --> 03:35.980]  Go on.
[03:36.080 --> 03:38.000]  I just wanted to say one thing, which...
[03:38.000 --> 03:45.160]  I mean, I've been here not necessarily since midnight, but long enough that I'm getting, you know, near the end of my rope.
[03:45.920 --> 03:49.180]  You said that cell phones are bringing idiocy.
[03:49.180 --> 03:51.080]  I don't know if you're talking about Americans.
[03:51.080 --> 03:52.880]  As I told you before, I'm not an American.
[03:53.120 --> 03:54.580]  So maybe you all have like a brain defect.
[03:55.140 --> 03:56.440]  You've also told me that...
[03:57.300 --> 03:57.920]  Okay, okay.
[03:58.000 --> 03:58.420]  I'm sorry.
[03:58.580 --> 03:59.120]  I'm really sorry.
[03:59.160 --> 03:59.620]  I'm Canadian.
[04:00.680 --> 04:06.880]  But you've also said that cell phones in North Korea are kind of placating them.
[04:07.100 --> 04:08.140]  But you're also saying...
[04:08.140 --> 04:08.160]  No, no.
[04:08.180 --> 04:09.080]  Not placating them.
[04:09.620 --> 04:10.260]  Revolutionizing them.
[04:10.600 --> 04:13.840]  Cell phones are being used to access information that's censored.
[04:14.700 --> 04:16.650]  Because cell phones are a one-to-one channel.
[04:16.650 --> 04:17.270]  Yeah, right.
[04:17.460 --> 04:22.910]  And unless you jam them all, you actually let information through.
[04:24.520 --> 04:26.640]  And networks are starting to form.
[04:28.090 --> 04:28.650]  Thanks.
[04:29.140 --> 04:29.520]  Okay.
[04:31.210 --> 04:34.760]  Just to go back to that, that's also a defect right here.
[04:35.020 --> 04:39.910]  Because him over there might be a suspected terrorist.
[04:39.910 --> 04:40.670]  I have no idea.
[04:40.960 --> 04:43.760]  But now we're all in the same room with him for six hours.
[04:44.700 --> 04:47.990]  And now we're all possibly under a watch list.
[04:48.560 --> 04:52.530]  Because we've been in the room with him, that goon, for six hours.
[04:52.730 --> 04:53.290]  Which is worse.
[04:53.430 --> 04:54.910]  Who are you calling a goon?
[04:55.170 --> 04:56.230]  The guy in the orange shirt.
[04:56.460 --> 04:56.960]  It's easy.
[04:57.620 --> 04:59.470]  Actually, he's a fed undercover.
[05:00.140 --> 05:00.960]  But anyway.
[05:00.960 --> 05:09.140]  That makes it no different than having the software track that the fact that we're all still here 12 hours later than when you started.
[05:09.400 --> 05:11.790]  I think it is highly suspicious that you all stayed.
[05:12.410 --> 05:19.760]  I've got to get back to Canada.
[05:24.940 --> 05:28.540]  I think I'm wearing you guys down.
[05:28.700 --> 05:30.240]  I don't think you're going to last past 6.30.
[05:34.240 --> 05:37.300]  I had to head downstairs to re-beer myself.
[05:38.240 --> 05:39.360]  And in passing...
[05:39.360 --> 05:40.580]  Do they sell beer at this hour of the day?
[05:41.260 --> 05:42.200]  It was borrowed.
[05:42.480 --> 05:43.040]  Oh, okay.
[05:43.300 --> 05:49.420]  So in passing, I overheard a conversation about someone talking about Operation Condor.
[05:49.420 --> 05:53.460]  Could you just go into a little bit on detail on that and then explain why the U.S...
[05:53.460 --> 05:54.900]  I don't remember the operation.
[05:55.380 --> 05:57.500]  I don't really know anything about it.
[05:58.140 --> 06:00.660]  So you're better off Googling for something.
[06:00.660 --> 06:01.640]  I need to go to Wikipedia?
[06:02.080 --> 06:03.120]  Well, it depends.
[06:03.300 --> 06:04.540]  I mean, you know, I really...
[06:04.540 --> 06:06.920]  Jimmy Wales is a brilliant, brilliant man.
[06:07.020 --> 06:16.140]  But when I appealed to him to stop the destruction of the open source intelligence page, he just blew me off.
[06:17.940 --> 06:22.920]  I mean, Wikipedia is a phenomenally powerful instrument.
[06:23.560 --> 06:33.840]  But there's a destructiveness when people get into editing wars.
[06:34.320 --> 06:37.240]  And we haven't figured out how to handle that.
[06:37.500 --> 06:43.960]  And Wikipedia hasn't figured out how to give people like me karma points for actually knowing what they're talking about.
[06:45.840 --> 06:47.260]  On open source intelligence.
[06:47.920 --> 06:53.200]  I mean, I was... I spent five days working up the open source intelligence page.
[06:53.320 --> 06:58.860]  And then a journalist who is now dead and a CIA groupie came in and just destroyed my work.
[06:59.280 --> 07:02.740]  And then when I went back and fixed it, they banned me.
[07:03.460 --> 07:04.060]  Okay?
[07:06.320 --> 07:08.780]  So there's a lot of issues there.
[07:09.400 --> 07:12.080]  Well, you know, like, Wikipedia is kind of a double-edged sword.
[07:12.280 --> 07:12.940]  Yeah, it is.
[07:13.000 --> 07:13.300]  It is.
[07:13.360 --> 07:16.860]  I have a friend of mine who does a lot of web development for Republican websites.
[07:16.860 --> 07:25.020]  And a pastime of his was actually inventing political positions in New Jersey.
[07:25.260 --> 07:25.500]  Yeah.
[07:25.700 --> 07:31.820]  And then invent... basically creating fake bios for them and then inventing scandals for them to get removed.
[07:33.620 --> 07:34.580]  I love it.
[07:35.260 --> 07:44.560]  And then anyone who removed or edited one of the pages that he created, he would just say that it was vandalism and put it back up.
[07:44.700 --> 07:54.580]  And if the page had been there for more than six months, it took like an immense amount of effort for someone to prove that the person he created and the scandals that he invented didn't exist.
[07:54.580 --> 08:00.620]  And that's actually the beginning of an absolutely fascinating topic that I could go on for about two hours on.
[08:01.460 --> 08:01.980]  Because...
[08:01.980 --> 08:02.480]  No, no, really.
[08:02.580 --> 08:03.860]  I think this is really cool.
[08:04.020 --> 08:07.240]  Because it's the whole issue of peer validation.
[08:08.180 --> 08:18.640]  And I forget what I was looking at, but there was this answer site for one specific thing where people would accumulate karma points for being right.
[08:18.860 --> 08:18.920]  Slash dot.
[08:19.220 --> 08:19.820]  Slash dot.
[08:19.820 --> 08:22.400]  Yeah, well, it's slash dot, but there's others.
[08:22.640 --> 08:26.460]  And what we don't have is kind of slash dot for everything.
[08:28.740 --> 08:30.140]  Yeah, that's good.
[08:30.140 --> 08:36.560]  And the other thing we don't have is a way of harnessing the energy of both the published and the unpublished.
[08:37.360 --> 08:44.740]  Because I found in my own experience that the top 100 people who are published are not the top 100 people who actually have their hands dirty.
[08:45.160 --> 08:49.860]  And you have to get both of them into the discussion.
[08:50.520 --> 09:00.340]  I think the whole idea of how do you self-correct and how do you self-validate as a group is absolutely fascinating to me.
[09:00.340 --> 09:04.140]  And I don't have any answers, but it's something I would love to hear others talk about.
[09:04.660 --> 09:13.200]  Like as far as Wikipedia concerns, it seems like it went from the winners writing history to those who go unchallenged write history.
[09:13.420 --> 09:15.460]  And that's really scary.
[09:16.120 --> 09:16.380]  Oh, that's a quote.
[09:16.380 --> 09:16.960]  That's a quote.
[09:17.540 --> 09:19.760]  Those who go unchallenged write history.
[09:20.740 --> 09:21.620]  That's interesting.
[09:21.620 --> 09:22.840]  On wiki.
[09:23.840 --> 09:25.380]  On Wikipedia, that is.
[09:25.920 --> 09:28.180]  My last name's Stoppe, if you want to put that in a book.
[09:29.320 --> 09:32.080]  Yeah, no, I'm not allowed to write books anymore.
[09:33.260 --> 09:34.600]  For the time being, anyway.
[09:35.600 --> 09:36.600]  This is way too heavy.
[09:36.700 --> 09:38.000]  Can we hear some spy stories?
[09:38.260 --> 09:38.680]  Sure.
[09:43.300 --> 09:43.760]  Hmm.
[09:44.700 --> 09:45.620]  Good question.
[09:45.960 --> 09:49.800]  Well, I mean, does anyone remember what the most important skill in spying is?
[09:50.700 --> 09:52.180]  Not getting caught?
[09:52.520 --> 09:53.020]  Saying a lot.
[09:53.380 --> 09:54.300]  Being cute?
[09:54.600 --> 09:57.160]  Well, listening is good, but typing is the answer.
[09:58.200 --> 10:01.060]  Four hours of typing for every hour of agent meeting.
[10:01.300 --> 10:06.180]  And if you're doing a terrorist meeting, you have to record it and then you have to type the transcript yourself.
[10:06.180 --> 10:07.080]  So eight hours.
[10:07.940 --> 10:09.960]  So typing is absolutely essential.
[10:11.140 --> 10:14.060]  You know, CIA hasn't discovered voice recognition yet.
[10:15.500 --> 10:16.660]  They should hire Google.
[10:16.800 --> 10:17.680]  Get an Android, though.
[10:27.420 --> 10:33.580]  Coolest thing I ever did was get a list of the senators that were considered to be supporting a certain denied area of power.
[10:34.400 --> 10:36.000]  That went to Reagan personally.
[10:36.480 --> 10:37.320]  Years only.
[10:40.820 --> 10:41.940]  Scaredest I ever was.
[10:42.060 --> 10:46.480]  I had someone else's diplomatic pouch in the back of my car and a police stopped me at two in the morning.
[10:47.240 --> 10:50.720]  But I had broken the rules and kept my diplomatic identity.
[10:50.720 --> 10:54.520]  So that was a little saving grace.
[10:57.360 --> 10:58.960]  Most drinks in one day.
[10:59.120 --> 11:01.340]  I think ten.
[11:02.560 --> 11:07.200]  And that was in part because I had two lunches with three drinks each on the same day.
[11:07.560 --> 11:08.800]  Two different people.
[11:14.300 --> 11:14.840]  Five.
[11:15.440 --> 11:15.880]  Five.
[11:15.880 --> 11:19.140]  Well, then I had drinks in the evening with a reception or whatever.
[11:19.280 --> 11:23.580]  But I actually had two complete lunches with two different people on the same day.
[11:25.160 --> 11:29.080]  But I have seen Russians spit red wine onto steak.
[11:30.680 --> 11:33.580]  You know, it's this KGB thing where you...
[11:34.420 --> 11:35.460]  With red wine.
[11:35.640 --> 11:38.080]  And this is supposed to, like, flavor the steak, you know.
[11:38.260 --> 11:41.940]  And you kind of get over the fact that their saliva has been burned off.
[11:43.140 --> 11:43.760]  Yes, sir.
[11:51.230 --> 11:52.990]  Yeah, I can't hear you.
[11:53.110 --> 11:54.810]  So let's go to the guys on the microphone.
[11:55.110 --> 11:55.250]  Huh?
[11:55.870 --> 11:56.890]  Guys on the microphone.
[11:57.350 --> 11:57.910]  Yeah.
[11:59.310 --> 11:59.870]  Hey.
[12:00.430 --> 12:00.990]  So...
[12:01.690 --> 12:02.250]  Sorry.
[12:02.830 --> 12:04.130]  Other people are talking to me behind me.
[12:05.770 --> 12:14.210]  Somebody was said to maybe have given up more information at WikiLeaks and is now possibly in prison.
[12:14.210 --> 12:18.210]  But they had diplomatic pouches possibly or access to diplomatic...
[12:18.810 --> 12:19.750]  Yeah, that guy.
[12:19.970 --> 12:20.310]  Transfers.
[12:20.330 --> 12:20.850]  That guy.
[12:21.030 --> 12:22.290]  Whoever it may or may not be.
[12:25.630 --> 12:26.670]  What's the...
[12:28.970 --> 12:30.450]  What's the problem...
[12:30.450 --> 12:32.110]  That's the wrong way to say it.
[12:32.450 --> 12:32.810]  Implications.
[12:34.690 --> 12:35.210]  Implications.
[12:38.330 --> 12:39.370]  Thank you.
[12:39.370 --> 12:44.230]  Of station-to-station information getting out.
[12:45.170 --> 12:48.550]  So between Middle East and America, let's say.
[12:49.310 --> 12:53.530]  Well, I think we're getting into interesting ground here.
[12:53.670 --> 13:04.150]  Because what you're really doing is you're balancing the right of the public to know that its government is evil versus the right of the government to keep its evil secret.
[13:05.910 --> 13:07.710]  And for me, it's a no-brainer.
[13:07.930 --> 13:10.390]  I would err on the right of the public to know.
[13:11.850 --> 13:21.870]  But right now, the government is erring on the side of enforcing secrecy rules that apply to stuff that shouldn't be secret.
[13:23.730 --> 13:30.670]  So, if I were defending that guy or if I were defending the two people that just got sent to jail for telling the Cubans what the U.S.
[13:30.790 --> 13:41.670]  was planning, I would err on the side of holding the government to a higher standard of behavior with respect to anything that's revealed.
[13:42.490 --> 13:43.370]  Like WikiLeaks.
[13:44.190 --> 13:44.750]  What's that?
[13:44.950 --> 13:46.190]  I said like WikiLeaks.
[13:46.450 --> 13:47.490]  I was trying to say.
[13:47.690 --> 13:48.450]  I'm clueless.
[13:50.570 --> 13:51.010]  WikiLeaks.
[13:51.010 --> 13:51.610]  Yeah.
[13:52.290 --> 13:54.990]  Well, you know, I mean, WikiLeaks has to be responsible also.
[13:55.390 --> 14:04.770]  I mean, they've alienated some people by basically just going in and exposing some corporate stuff that really was not theirs to expose.
[14:04.770 --> 14:10.030]  And it didn't really reveal anything that was illegal.
[14:10.330 --> 14:11.130]  It was just...
[14:11.770 --> 14:15.730]  It was like stealing a car to Joyride.
[14:16.110 --> 14:16.670]  Okay?
[14:16.910 --> 14:19.190]  Rather than actually having a serious purpose.
[14:19.430 --> 14:24.410]  So, if WikiLeaks has pissed off Steve Aftergood, WikiLeaks needs to worry about that.
[14:25.430 --> 14:27.990]  Because I take Steve and Aftergood very seriously.
[14:28.250 --> 14:29.010]  Who is that?
[14:29.010 --> 14:42.970]  He's the primary force behind Federation of American Scientists and he publishes the Secrecy News, which is a very high value commentary on excessive secrecy in government.
[14:43.270 --> 14:44.850]  But isn't that the point of WikiLeaks?
[14:44.990 --> 14:46.930]  Is to make that now transparent?
[14:47.530 --> 14:47.630]  Yeah.
[14:47.950 --> 14:48.730]  Accept that.
[14:49.090 --> 14:49.710]  You have to go...
[14:49.710 --> 14:56.430]  Why don't you go Google for WikiLeaks Steven Aftergood and see what he said about it.
[14:56.470 --> 14:58.950]  I questioned him on it because I was surprised.
[14:58.950 --> 15:01.650]  And I knew that we had Julian as a keynote speaker.
[15:02.050 --> 15:06.790]  And he gave me a very balanced account of why he was upset with WikiLeaks.
[15:06.970 --> 15:15.130]  And so I'm just saying, just like Jimmy Wales needs to listen to me when I complain, WikiLeaks needs to listen to Steven Aftergood when he complains.
[15:17.290 --> 15:19.390]  Okay, so I'm not sure if I speak for everyone.
[15:19.650 --> 15:20.970]  Personally, I'm not a spy.
[15:20.970 --> 15:26.070]  And I've kind of wondered what spy sex is like.
[15:27.430 --> 15:30.950]  And like, because all I know is like what I see in James Bond.
[15:31.150 --> 15:34.810]  Like, so do spies have lots of sex?
[15:35.950 --> 15:40.550]  And now do female spies have a lot of sex and kill people with their legs?
[15:42.430 --> 15:43.170]  Thank you.
[15:44.410 --> 15:45.970]  I should be so lucky.
[15:46.310 --> 15:51.990]  I was gonna ask the exact same question except for the fact that maybe you could outline like the typical day.
[15:52.210 --> 15:57.330]  I mean, do you sit in the heat and sweat to death hoping for your contact to show up?
[15:57.530 --> 16:00.170]  Or do you maybe like, you know, go out and get laid once in a while?
[16:00.730 --> 16:01.990]  I'll do a typical day.
[16:02.090 --> 16:04.450]  But first, let me answer the sex question.
[16:06.910 --> 16:08.690]  It depends on your age.
[16:09.550 --> 16:12.990]  It's generally very sweaty, very drunken and very bestial.
[16:14.910 --> 16:17.330]  And it only happens like once a month.
[16:18.010 --> 16:19.750]  Because the rest of the time you're typing.
[16:25.630 --> 16:28.370]  And I have to say that there's a double standard.
[16:28.610 --> 16:34.810]  Because the boy spies are allowed to f*ck around as much as they want and spend the government's money seducing women.
[16:34.990 --> 16:39.030]  The girl spies are supposed to be very chaste and held to a higher standard.
[16:39.030 --> 16:41.730]  So basically CIA treats women like shit.
[16:42.830 --> 16:52.950]  And Janine Bruckner, who wrote a good book on litigating against secrecy, was my deputy chief of station overseas.
[16:53.010 --> 16:58.750]  And she was basically discriminated against for doing what the boys do.
[16:59.290 --> 17:04.330]  And she won a lawsuit that paid her way through Harvard Law or whatever.
[17:04.330 --> 17:07.910]  And I'm glad for her because she's a very good person.
[17:08.270 --> 17:11.250]  And basically CIA is out of control.
[17:12.050 --> 17:15.630]  They use fitness for duty physicals to pressure people.
[17:15.990 --> 17:20.550]  And their management in the DO and the DI is essentially unethical.
[17:22.030 --> 17:25.890]  And by and large, it's a fun place to be for a while.
[17:25.890 --> 17:27.470]  But I wouldn't want to live there.
[17:29.590 --> 17:31.070]  Oh, so a typical day.
[17:31.170 --> 17:32.170]  Let me do the typical day.
[17:32.170 --> 17:33.510]  This goes on the first part.
[17:33.890 --> 17:36.110]  Is the sex full of martial arts in any way?
[17:36.390 --> 17:37.390]  With other spots?
[17:38.290 --> 17:41.510]  No, we like our women totally placid.
[17:42.490 --> 17:43.090]  Real dogs?
[17:45.630 --> 17:46.110]  Unconscious.
[17:46.350 --> 17:47.310]  Warm plastic.
[17:47.910 --> 17:48.090]  Okay.
[17:48.910 --> 17:50.290]  So no head to the wall?
[17:50.810 --> 17:52.470]  No, no, no, no.
[17:52.650 --> 17:53.450]  Absolutely not.
[17:53.730 --> 17:56.170]  I mean, if you have to fight, you failed.
[18:01.270 --> 18:06.710]  I mean, at the age of 38, I was spending $100,000 a month and none of it got me any sex.
[18:08.030 --> 18:09.590]  In part because I had ethics.
[18:10.430 --> 18:11.310]  Hold on.
[18:11.470 --> 18:12.850]  What did it give you though?
[18:13.150 --> 18:14.550]  I wasn't doing it wrong.
[18:14.730 --> 18:16.170]  Nice cars?
[18:16.170 --> 18:17.310]  Nice cars at least?
[18:17.490 --> 18:19.710]  No, actually, we rode the bus.
[18:20.450 --> 18:22.250]  And, you know.
[18:22.950 --> 18:24.350]  Expensive, ugly women.
[18:26.370 --> 18:27.590]  I've never been there.
[18:27.890 --> 18:28.750]  Let them finish.
[18:29.910 --> 18:30.710]  Let them finish.
[18:31.690 --> 18:33.010]  Yeah, no, you know what?
[18:33.130 --> 18:34.890]  I mean, spying is a bureaucracy.
[18:35.210 --> 18:38.510]  And spying from an official installation is idiocy.
[18:39.810 --> 18:41.930]  Because everybody knows who you are.
[18:43.290 --> 18:48.190]  All you have to do is keep an eye out for anybody who works more than 9 to 5.
[18:49.050 --> 18:54.850]  If you catch the chief of stations party, you've got the entire station plus all the communicators.
[18:55.890 --> 18:59.050]  And maybe the NOCs, the non-official cover officers.
[18:59.690 --> 19:01.950]  The inside officers are slobs.
[19:02.090 --> 19:04.930]  They will lead liaison to the non-official covers in a heartbeat.
[19:06.050 --> 19:07.690]  Yeah, it's just, it's bullshit.
[19:07.910 --> 19:08.750]  It really is.
[19:09.290 --> 19:10.630]  Now, a typical day.
[19:10.850 --> 19:12.050]  I was unusual.
[19:12.270 --> 19:13.410]  I worked 80-hour weeks.
[19:13.670 --> 19:15.370]  Most guys work 60-hour weeks.
[19:16.230 --> 19:19.910]  But I would start my morning with a coffee and maybe a brush pass.
[19:20.370 --> 19:23.030]  And then maybe I'd go and do a quick car meeting.
[19:23.210 --> 19:24.670]  And then I'd go in and type it up.
[19:24.770 --> 19:26.990]  Then I'd go out and do two developmentals over lunch.
[19:27.350 --> 19:30.110]  And then maybe have an afternoon meeting in a hotel room.
[19:30.390 --> 19:32.210]  Or another safe site or whatever.
[19:33.850 --> 19:36.770]  Somewhere in there I might take some photos for a dead drop site.
[19:38.410 --> 19:42.810]  And then in the evening I'd do developmental cocktails and then a late night meeting.
[19:43.070 --> 19:47.170]  With a particularly valuable source that needed one or two hours of debriefing.
[19:48.110 --> 19:53.070]  So generally I slept from 12 to 6, 11 to 6, something like that.
[19:53.650 --> 19:54.710]  So it was a full day.
[19:54.710 --> 19:58.550]  So what category exactly is developmental cocktails?
[20:00.350 --> 20:02.310]  I'd like to write that off sometime.
[20:03.350 --> 20:06.750]  A developmental is someone who you think has potential.
[20:06.750 --> 20:10.950]  That your leadership has approved as having potential.
[20:11.830 --> 20:17.350]  And therefore you're allowed a certain amount of latitude in terms of entertaining them and cultivating them.
[20:17.350 --> 20:28.050]  I mean, you know, we do so-called chance encounters like where if I think you're really important, I'll run my car into yours just so that I can get it fixed and develop a relationship with you.
[20:29.130 --> 20:34.590]  Andy, I was going to ask you, would you have to develop all those leads or were they fed to you or 50-50?
[20:34.590 --> 20:35.990]  Nobody feeds you anything.
[20:36.250 --> 20:44.130]  In fact, a lot of people make up cases and pretend to have recruited people who haven't actually been recruited.
[20:46.450 --> 20:47.950]  They'll fabricate stories.
[20:48.770 --> 20:52.650]  You know, I was recruiting five people a year for five, six years straight.
[20:53.210 --> 20:57.110]  I mean, I had like 25, 26 recruitments when I left after three tours.
[20:57.330 --> 20:58.630]  That's almost unheard of.
[20:59.310 --> 21:02.350]  Most people are lucky if they get one or two recruitments a tour.
[21:06.290 --> 21:15.370]  But it's, you know, it's unfortunate because a station has what's called an objective memorandum, which is what you're supposed to be doing.
[21:15.630 --> 21:17.450]  And nobody reads that.
[21:17.830 --> 21:21.450]  What they do is they basically go down the street throwing money in the air.
[21:21.490 --> 21:25.170]  And then anybody who grabs a dollar bill, oh, you're an agent now.
[21:25.690 --> 21:27.690]  And so they write it up and they move on.
[21:27.810 --> 21:29.990]  And nobody reads the newspapers properly.
[21:29.990 --> 21:31.630]  Nobody reads the newspapers.
[21:31.630 --> 21:35.990]  So a lot of our agents are basically recycling stuff.
[21:36.570 --> 21:41.230]  You know, they'll say, oh, yeah, my cousin's a cleaning lady in the foreign ministry.
[21:41.230 --> 21:43.210]  And this is what she said they said.
[21:43.210 --> 21:48.990]  And they're actually just reading a local media that the case officer isn't reading.
[21:49.790 --> 21:56.390]  And I don't know how it is today, but in my day, case officers were way too important to do reading and training.
[21:56.390 --> 22:04.350]  So we would basically have zero files, low burn times, and we would just take stuff at face value.
[22:05.910 --> 22:16.430]  So how did your perspective change as a noob, you know, into the field versus perhaps how it was like, you know, one, two, three years on?
[22:17.150 --> 22:19.210]  I mean, is there a rude awakening to this?
[22:19.310 --> 22:21.550]  Or do you just say, look, I'm not James Bond?
[22:22.250 --> 22:23.810]  Well, I am James Bond.
[22:23.970 --> 22:24.810]  I drive an MGB.
[22:25.210 --> 22:29.390]  I have a Walther PPK limited edition, shoots an ACP 38.
[22:29.390 --> 22:30.590]  Put one in the ceiling!
[22:30.890 --> 22:31.110]  Huh?
[22:31.310 --> 22:31.830]  Put one in the ceiling!
[22:40.370 --> 22:42.510]  All right, I won't do that again, I promise.
[22:43.630 --> 22:44.670]  Why not?
[22:46.090 --> 22:47.690]  Next one goes into the crowd.
[22:48.950 --> 22:49.470]  Yes!
[22:50.310 --> 22:53.110]  Who is that guy that had the Sledge-O-Matic?
[22:54.630 --> 22:55.150]  Gallagher!
[22:55.250 --> 22:57.530]  Oh, Gallagher, Sledge-O-Matic.
[22:57.530 --> 22:58.670]  You would get plastic.
[22:59.170 --> 22:59.690]  Huh?
[22:59.790 --> 23:05.170]  No, no, I'm not, I'm not, you're safe here.
[23:05.170 --> 23:05.650]  Okay.
[23:06.210 --> 23:06.970]  It's okay.
[23:08.150 --> 23:11.090]  I'm a non-threatening, short, fat, balding old guy, okay?
[23:11.630 --> 23:13.190]  So, all right.
[23:13.930 --> 23:15.230]  Five vocals anyway.
[23:15.590 --> 23:16.670]  What was the question?
[23:18.790 --> 23:19.670]  Oh, about James?
[23:19.770 --> 23:21.470]  Oh, yeah, that was a very good question.
[23:22.330 --> 23:24.490]  Hold on, I'm still answering a question.
[23:24.870 --> 23:29.950]  So, when I first came in, I went into a war zone where the station had been closed.
[23:30.090 --> 23:34.450]  And so we were reactivating agents and recruiting new agents.
[23:34.450 --> 23:40.950]  And it just shows how short-sighted CIA is because it closed a whole bunch of stations in Africa and we needed them.
[23:42.310 --> 23:44.650]  It has never played a long game.
[23:44.770 --> 23:45.930]  It plays a short game.
[23:48.790 --> 23:53.290]  And so, I mean, I thought I was doing God's work and I walked on water.
[23:53.290 --> 23:57.530]  I was like a Jesuit with really big balls and a gun.
[23:58.650 --> 24:00.050]  And I loved it.
[24:00.210 --> 24:03.190]  I did three back-to-back tours, which is extremely unusual.
[24:04.850 --> 24:10.790]  And then I came back to Washington and I worked very hard in Washington, did three jobs there.
[24:10.850 --> 24:13.490]  And one day I was told to go case officer another case officer.
[24:13.990 --> 24:22.150]  And that was code for go down the hall and go to another employee of this agency and lie, cheat, and steal and bring me back the answer I want.
[24:22.150 --> 24:26.950]  And that was kind of the end of my contract with the CIA, intellectually and emotionally.
[24:27.210 --> 24:37.470]  And then, by the grace of God, the Marine Corps came to me because I had been a reserve intelligence officer all this time and offered me the chance to create the Marine Corps Intelligence Command.
[24:37.470 --> 24:38.970]  And I did and I loved it.
[24:39.390 --> 24:41.370]  Got a two-grade promotion, never looked back.
[24:41.890 --> 24:46.950]  And in fact, it's kind of funny because everyone runs hip pocket operations that they don't tell CIA about.
[24:47.090 --> 24:54.450]  So, when I went over to the CIA, the Marine Corps wouldn't tell me about their clandestine operations because they thought I'd rat them out to the CIA.
[24:54.870 --> 25:02.470]  And when I left the CIA and went back to the Marine Corps as a GM-14, some of my case officer said, were you like a Marine Corps penetration of the LA division?
[25:03.770 --> 25:05.450]  You know, so it was fun.
[25:06.270 --> 25:07.850]  But I don't regret a minute.
[25:08.110 --> 25:13.350]  I actually believe that spying is necessary, but it should only be 10% of the solution.
[25:14.370 --> 25:16.350]  And it should be done on the cheap.
[25:16.790 --> 25:21.070]  Anybody who throws money around is a spy and should be persona non grata.
[25:22.690 --> 25:24.930]  It really needs to be done responsibly.
[25:25.070 --> 25:26.610]  Right now, spying is a boys game.
[25:28.010 --> 25:31.630]  Anything done out of an official installation is absolute utter bullshit.
[25:33.790 --> 25:37.810]  And we should have analysts in the secure spaces in our embassies.
[25:37.870 --> 25:41.950]  And they should be doing all-source intelligence and they should be doing open-source intelligence.
[25:42.290 --> 25:46.270]  They should have budgets with which to buy legal, ethical information from journalists.
[25:46.610 --> 25:47.650]  I'm going to take a break.
[25:47.790 --> 25:53.670]  I want to go to the bathroom, but then I'm going to tell you about my second thesis on three embassies and the amount of information that they did or did not collect.
[25:53.670 --> 25:54.150]  Is that alright?
[25:54.390 --> 25:54.590]  Yeah!
[25:54.730 --> 25:54.850]  Sure!
[25:55.230 --> 25:55.470]  Woo!
[25:56.230 --> 25:56.890]  Thank you!
[26:04.540 --> 26:06.120]  I have more James Bond questions.
[26:07.100 --> 26:07.740]  Who does?
[26:07.880 --> 26:08.620]  Mag after you.
[26:10.020 --> 26:11.560]  Zero, zero, zero, zero.
[26:12.120 --> 26:14.360]  I wanted to get a little revealment.
[26:14.740 --> 26:16.540]  We should all go back to the TV.
[26:18.640 --> 26:22.180]  Like, yeah, like walking around like frigging your dick, it's three feet long.
[26:22.180 --> 26:23.620]  Yeah, you know what I mean?
[26:23.960 --> 26:26.360]  You know he watched the James Bond movies before.
[26:26.620 --> 26:26.640]  James Bond f*cking facts.
[26:26.960 --> 26:27.060]  Yeah.
[26:27.480 --> 26:28.180]  The James Bond facts.
[26:28.180 --> 26:30.700]  The dude probably goes through the whole f*cking golden eye full of shit.
[26:31.820 --> 26:32.000]  Pussy f*cking...
[26:32.000 --> 26:33.920]  Run around in his underwear holding a gun like this.
[26:34.180 --> 26:35.660]  I am pussy galore.
[26:36.020 --> 26:36.160]  Yeah.
[26:38.640 --> 26:39.500]  That's what I do.
[26:39.680 --> 26:42.440]  He walks around like his pussy galore and octa-f*cking-pussy.
[26:42.880 --> 26:44.680]  Okay, one, three, four, seven, eight.
[26:45.260 --> 26:45.440]  You know?
[26:46.160 --> 26:46.760]  Does James Bond exist?
[26:46.860 --> 26:50.260]  Octo is a great hacker number, but it doesn't work for that.
[26:54.280 --> 26:55.880]  But we've still got an hour and a half to kill.
[26:56.000 --> 26:56.120]  Yeah.
[26:56.120 --> 26:56.460]  Do you have advantage?
[26:58.020 --> 26:58.340]  Uh...
[28:36.820 --> 28:38.800]  Supposedly, you could compress the entire...
[28:39.740 --> 28:41.280]  country that needs to...
[28:41.280 --> 28:41.570]  Like...
[28:41.570 --> 28:43.070]  If you use the density map...
[28:43.070 --> 28:45.180]  It needs to get a state aside from Texas.
[28:45.570 --> 28:45.640]  Yeah.
[28:45.880 --> 28:47.660]  So you have the entire population around in Texas.
[28:47.960 --> 28:49.780]  Think about how great the rest of the country is.
[28:51.860 --> 28:55.360]  All of those in Texas and Kansas and Missouri don't want to live like this.
[28:55.480 --> 28:56.400]  They don't want to be the same.
[28:56.940 --> 28:57.460]  They don't want to be the same.
[28:57.460 --> 28:57.980]  No, Austin, Texas.
[28:59.360 --> 29:00.440]  What's the question is?
[29:00.780 --> 29:01.980]  I've seen many of these in Texas.
[29:02.200 --> 29:02.340]  Okay.
[29:06.740 --> 29:06.960]  Eight.
[29:07.300 --> 29:08.320]  Six thirty nine.
[29:09.580 --> 29:10.020]  Eight.
[29:10.260 --> 29:10.700]  Mud.
[29:13.040 --> 29:13.820]  Sunday.
[29:15.420 --> 29:16.200]  Yeah.
[29:26.670 --> 29:27.690]  Me too.
[29:29.470 --> 29:30.430]  I'm doing vacation.
[29:32.490 --> 29:33.270]  Yeah.
[29:33.930 --> 29:35.310]  It's college after this.
[29:35.430 --> 29:36.730]  Tuesday, it's college right too.
[29:47.710 --> 29:48.450]  All right.
[29:48.650 --> 29:52.470]  The second graduate thesis was for public administration.
[29:52.710 --> 29:53.750]  I looked at three embassies.
[29:54.230 --> 30:11.150]  Basically, an embassy, the diplomats are in the minority, and the representation allowance for diplomats is 50% for the ambassador, 50% for the four counselors, and the other 50% spread among the 20 to 30 embassy employees.
[30:11.170 --> 30:21.370]  So this means that a junior officer generally, at best, gets to take someone out to lunch once a month and maybe has one small party once a quarter.
[30:22.030 --> 30:22.390]  Okay?
[30:23.130 --> 30:37.470]  The rest of the embassy consists of, apart from whoever is doing clandestine stuff, many individual representatives of many different government agencies, agriculture, commerce, Coast Guard, whatever.
[30:37.470 --> 30:55.370]  And so what I found was that your average embassy was severely handicapped because the people who wanted legitimate collection or legitimate open source information had no money with which to buy commercial intelligence or pay journalists for special reports or anything like that.
[30:55.370 --> 31:00.790]  They were limited to the physics of a 24-hour day and who was willing to be seen with them.
[31:01.650 --> 31:06.290]  The spies, in contrast, demanded that you be a traitor before they would listen to you.
[31:06.830 --> 31:12.750]  They have no interest at all in open source intelligence or commercial intelligence that is legally and ethically available.
[31:13.170 --> 31:30.710]  And so I found the result was, when combined with the fact that you had to coordinate your electronic messages, which everyone would see, and you did not have to coordinate your hard copy pouch shipments back, what I found was that we collected at best 20% of the relevant available information.
[31:31.070 --> 31:35.270]  And in the process of sending it back to Washington, spilled 80% of that.
[31:35.750 --> 31:38.770]  So that basically leaves us, I think, with roughly 2%.
[31:38.770 --> 31:40.690]  What does that mean, spilled 80%?
[31:41.270 --> 31:53.470]  What it means is if you send hard copy back, it goes from the embassy to one desk officer in one agency who doesn't have time to read it, and therefore either throws it away or files it.
[31:53.850 --> 31:57.170]  It doesn't become part of the electronic common space.
[31:57.510 --> 31:58.070]  Okay?
[31:59.770 --> 32:08.070]  But I've realized more recently that it doesn't matter that we're only getting 2% of the intelligence, because nobody's making decisions based on intelligence.
[32:08.310 --> 32:12.430]  They're making decisions based on ideological or commercial interests or whatever.
[32:13.290 --> 32:14.910]  So that was the second thesis.
[32:15.350 --> 32:16.250]  Any questions?
[32:16.410 --> 32:19.010]  I think you guys are falling down here.
[32:19.010 --> 32:20.250]  I have a question.
[32:20.470 --> 32:20.810]  Yes, sir.
[32:21.670 --> 32:25.090]  You mentioned earlier a constitutional convention.
[32:25.410 --> 32:25.690]  Mm-hmm.
[32:26.950 --> 32:34.830]  In this scenario, I think this would allow any amendment or any even restructuring of the Constitution to occur.
[32:36.230 --> 32:41.330]  And I don't believe there's any mechanism by which to limit the scope of such an event.
[32:41.330 --> 32:41.690]  It's true.
[32:42.330 --> 32:48.110]  So I don't feel that we're at the point yet that such a thing would be necessary.
[32:48.110 --> 32:51.070]  I understand the emotional response.
[32:51.230 --> 32:52.890]  And I doubt there's any...
[32:52.890 --> 33:05.150]  I doubt the Congress or the Senate would actually amend the Constitution to create a clause for some sort of scope creation by the states for such an event.
[33:06.770 --> 33:08.050]  That's kind of a statement.
[33:11.870 --> 33:32.950]  Also, for controversial legislation that Congress would never pass, like something like recall election mechanisms or repealing the 17th Amendment, how do you think anything like that could ever go into effect?
[33:34.310 --> 33:39.810]  Well, my understanding is that if enough states agree to it, Congress has no choice.
[33:40.250 --> 33:41.630]  But I agree with you.
[33:41.730 --> 33:46.110]  We shouldn't have a constitutional convention at this point, but we should use it to get electoral reform.
[33:46.330 --> 33:49.150]  I mean, we should use the threat of a constitutional convention.
[33:49.150 --> 34:00.950]  I think a lot of states should start nullifying federal laws because the federal government is creating ceilings rather than floors for responsible legislation, such as environmental.
[34:01.290 --> 34:04.110]  You can't go above this demand and whatever.
[34:07.750 --> 34:17.630]  I honestly, being very nonviolent by inclination, think that we are going to have to have some kind of swarm pressure on Congress.
[34:18.050 --> 34:29.030]  I mean, I read with fascination a story about a mob around Karl Rove's house where they would chase him around the house from the outside and knock on the window.
[34:29.030 --> 34:31.670]  And it scared the shit out of them.
[34:32.710 --> 34:34.050]  But I'll tell you something.
[34:34.290 --> 34:42.110]  Every single congressman is vulnerable to that kind of swarm pressure, particularly if they can't go out in public without the swarm appearing.
[34:42.630 --> 34:51.290]  And so I think we're at the point now where the dysfunctionality has gotten our attention.
[34:51.290 --> 34:55.370]  And the Tea Party is one manifestation, but it's not sufficient.
[34:56.570 --> 35:06.330]  I certainly would like to see the black population be much more aggressive about demanding of Obama that he release all the prisoners who are, in fact, slaves.
[35:06.510 --> 35:12.970]  They're performing labor for furniture and license plate and other commercial things and getting pennies on the dollar.
[35:14.570 --> 35:24.230]  So I don't... I really... I don't know, but I think we're getting close to where it will not be possible to be a congressman in the United States without being held accountable.
[35:24.610 --> 35:27.510]  And it may not be five... it may be five years, it may be more.
[35:27.690 --> 35:34.910]  But I think we're getting to a point now where congressmen will not be able to do secret deals, where every penny will be seen.
[35:37.050 --> 35:49.230]  And I'd love to see much more whistleblowing, particularly to free websites rather than to specific government agencies that don't really seem to investigate as much.
[35:49.390 --> 35:49.710]  Yes, sir?
[35:50.970 --> 35:54.130]  Would you care to discuss some of your elicitation techniques?
[35:54.290 --> 35:55.830]  I mean, some basic things with us?
[35:56.090 --> 35:57.150]  Would you like another drink?
[35:59.230 --> 36:00.530]  I mean, that's one of them.
[36:00.530 --> 36:00.910]  No, no.
[36:01.130 --> 36:04.250]  I mean, there's social engineering going on all the time.
[36:04.250 --> 36:05.210]  Yeah, and...
[36:05.210 --> 36:07.570]  And I'm sure you're quite good at, you know...
[36:07.570 --> 36:08.510]  Well, yes and no.
[36:08.670 --> 36:10.230]  I mean, I kind of...
[36:10.230 --> 36:12.050]  Would you like another drink works very well, though?
[36:12.290 --> 36:14.110]  Yeah, it does.
[36:14.350 --> 36:18.590]  And, you know, those are absolutely fascinating thoughts.
[36:19.010 --> 36:22.990]  Would you entertain writing them down as kind of a form of journalism?
[36:22.990 --> 36:26.290]  And I'll give you $1,000 a month from now on.
[36:28.110 --> 36:28.750]  You know...
[36:28.750 --> 36:29.690]  You get my attention that way.
[36:29.790 --> 36:30.350]  Yeah, right.
[36:30.610 --> 36:34.170]  I mean, we just throw money around.
[36:34.170 --> 36:40.450]  But I was at Hackers in 1994 when they did the first social engineering telephone call.
[36:40.650 --> 36:43.790]  And they got the operator to give up the pins and stuff.
[36:44.110 --> 36:47.170]  And, I mean, there's 750 people just roared.
[36:48.490 --> 36:52.970]  And up in front was the AT&T guy who knew that his operator had just been had.
[36:53.190 --> 36:56.730]  And he was just... I mean, smoke was coming out of his ears.
[36:57.890 --> 37:01.730]  So, social engineering is something I think hackers do better than spies.
[37:01.970 --> 37:03.430]  Spies just throw money at the problem.
[37:03.830 --> 37:06.270]  And they get what they pay for.
[37:06.670 --> 37:08.830]  Which is often stuff that's not worth it.
[37:09.110 --> 37:10.950]  In the back first and then up here.
[37:11.090 --> 37:15.930]  I'm not surprised that we get to talk about these things and not get bothered too much.
[37:15.930 --> 37:20.430]  But I'm very surprised that no one has bothered you or taken you out or anything.
[37:20.770 --> 37:25.110]  So, if you could expand on that and share with us why no one bothered you.
[37:25.110 --> 37:32.410]  For the first... from 1992 to about 1990...
[37:32.410 --> 37:40.410]  Well, first off, I've held SI/TK compartmented crypto clearances for 30 years from 1976 to 2006.
[37:41.670 --> 37:43.690]  My loyalty is beyond question.
[37:43.910 --> 37:48.030]  I've passed two lifestyle polygraphs for CIA and one for the United Nations.
[37:51.610 --> 37:54.890]  And I have no CIA pension that can be held back.
[37:55.850 --> 37:57.570]  So, there's not much they can do.
[37:57.810 --> 38:01.750]  And they really don't kill small pests.
[38:01.850 --> 38:03.590]  And I'm nothing more than a small pest.
[38:05.130 --> 38:06.250]  So, they've written you off?
[38:06.410 --> 38:06.990]  So, what?
[38:07.150 --> 38:08.130]  They've written you off?
[38:10.390 --> 38:14.690]  No, I actually have a very interesting loyal following inside CIA.
[38:14.690 --> 38:17.950]  There are people there that really want to see the place work.
[38:20.690 --> 38:28.850]  So, initially I was called a lunatic for thinking that open sources could be anything better than spying.
[38:29.650 --> 38:32.750]  And then I became an annoyance.
[38:32.750 --> 38:34.390]  But, oh, look, behold.
[38:34.830 --> 38:39.990]  My first book had a forward from the past chairman of the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence.
[38:40.190 --> 38:42.110]  My second, who was a Democrat.
[38:42.330 --> 38:47.270]  My second book had a forward from the current chairman of the Senate Select Committee for Intelligence.
[38:47.310 --> 38:48.910]  At this point, you don't bother me.
[38:49.910 --> 38:53.790]  Because if you do, it will have political implications.
[38:53.790 --> 38:56.790]  At this point, you simply shut up and grit your teeth.
[38:56.950 --> 39:00.690]  Which is what they're doing now when Dana Priest does this new series on the IC.
[39:01.090 --> 39:02.630]  I mean, she's ten years late.
[39:02.830 --> 39:04.490]  I already wrote the book in 2000.
[39:04.710 --> 39:06.990]  And another guy has written a book called Spies for Hire.
[39:07.510 --> 39:13.870]  Which has talked about how 70% of our money goes into contractors rather than real spying.
[39:15.010 --> 39:22.370]  So long and short of it is, I think I'm considered to be a brilliant pain in the ass.
[39:24.150 --> 39:33.310]  Who is right, but is so annoying and so threatening to the current status quo that there's no point in even considering my ideas.
[39:35.310 --> 39:36.770]  And so it goes.
[39:36.930 --> 39:41.550]  Now, the sad part is, a lot of other governments have taken my ideas and run with them.
[39:44.790 --> 39:45.750]  Well, it is.
[39:45.870 --> 39:51.990]  I mean, actually, Eastern Europe just was an explosion of open source intelligence centers and things like that.
[39:52.210 --> 39:57.090]  And where I have not been successful is at getting the eight tribes to talk to each other.
[39:57.110 --> 40:09.570]  Because I really want to get just one country where you have a common center and you have the academic, commercial, government, law enforcement, military, media, non-governmental, and civil society.
[40:09.870 --> 40:15.970]  All like the chambers of commerce, plus the journalists associations, plus the academic councils, you know.
[40:16.290 --> 40:19.610]  I mean, it's just amazing what you can do if everybody talks to each other.
[40:20.090 --> 40:20.850]  All right, sir.
[40:20.950 --> 40:21.770]  Let's go to you.
[40:22.090 --> 40:22.290]  Okay.
[40:22.670 --> 40:27.430]  This probably may not even be something you can answer because it's an area you've dealt with.
[40:27.610 --> 40:34.830]  I was curious what you've done as far as electronic security and also electronic surveillance, that sort of thing.
[40:36.730 --> 40:38.510]  Obviously, some things maybe you can't talk about.
[40:50.130 --> 40:51.430]  No, no, no.
[40:51.430 --> 40:52.050]  Yeah, yeah.
[40:52.190 --> 40:52.970]  Very inexpensive.
[40:53.230 --> 40:55.690]  The point is that's stuff that we used to have to pay.
[40:55.870 --> 40:56.270]  Big.
[40:56.570 --> 41:04.710]  We used to have to pay six-man teams and two cars and a motorcycle and one foot guy and, you know, do that stuff.
[41:05.130 --> 41:05.210]  Absolutely.
[41:05.330 --> 41:09.950]  Now, Scotland Yard implemented all of my ideas.
[41:10.150 --> 41:20.370]  And they found that where they used to have to spend 3,000 pounds a day for a surveillance team, they can now do 30 pounds for a credit check report and get the address of the guy they were trying to follow home.
[41:20.370 --> 41:21.410]  That's easy in that case.
[41:21.570 --> 41:21.610]  Yeah.
[41:21.730 --> 41:21.890]  Okay.
[41:23.510 --> 41:28.630]  And so they really, I mean, they've given me everything except the silver-plated Glock.
[41:28.970 --> 41:34.870]  And last year or two years ago, I gave Emmanuel the bobby hat and the nightstick that they gave me and the whistle.
[41:35.930 --> 41:42.870]  But Scotland Yard has been putting away more terrorists and arms merchants, faster, better, cheaper, with open source intelligence.
[41:42.890 --> 41:45.110]  And that's why Sir David Van Ness got knighted.
[41:46.510 --> 41:52.370]  And one of the interesting sidelines, and I'll come back to electronic surveillance in a second, but I want to make this point.
[41:52.650 --> 42:02.270]  One of the interesting sidelines is that we ended up confiscating more ill-gotten gains by 100-volt because spies don't do real estate and taxes.
[42:02.270 --> 42:02.750]  Right.
[42:03.030 --> 42:09.230]  And so open source was able to identify the French Riviera house and a whole bunch of other stuff.
[42:09.550 --> 42:16.430]  And so, I mean, Scotland Yard made out like a bandit with post-conviction confiscations.
[42:16.430 --> 42:21.510]  Now, on electronic surveillance, back in the day, you didn't have it.
[42:21.570 --> 42:26.930]  You didn't have cell phones, and you had to have clunky radios when you were trying to communicate and stuff.
[42:27.310 --> 42:29.550]  I mean, these days, I think it's absolutely wonderful.
[42:29.550 --> 42:41.590]  You can pop a webcam in front of an embassy or in front of a place and do remote surveillance from anywhere and really be very, very meticulous about watching stuff.
[42:41.590 --> 42:43.490]  In the old days, you had bugs and taps.
[42:43.950 --> 42:45.050]  I mean, I'm looking at it that way.
[42:45.190 --> 42:48.090]  Yeah, but, you know, and frankly, most...
[42:48.090 --> 42:51.190]  I mean, I've done bugs and textbook cases of bugs and stuff.
[42:51.390 --> 42:55.990]  And most of the time, they're not worth it because you end up having to have...
[42:55.990 --> 42:57.690]  I mean, first off, there's path loss.
[42:58.370 --> 43:05.350]  So, in those days, the bug had to have a receiver within like 150 to 200 feet.
[43:05.470 --> 43:05.830]  Typically.
[43:06.110 --> 43:08.410]  Which can be a hard issue in some places.
[43:08.850 --> 43:14.250]  And then you had to have a transcriber who was willing to sit there and spend his life listening to noise.
[43:14.530 --> 43:15.050]  Or a recorder.
[43:15.270 --> 43:16.710]  Somebody's listening to it ultimately anyway.
[43:16.970 --> 43:17.350]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[43:17.590 --> 43:25.790]  And at the end of the day, what I've found is that for every hour of recording, you're lucky if you get one minute of anything.
[43:26.010 --> 43:26.410]  That's likely.
[43:26.430 --> 43:30.810]  The bottom line is it's a lot better to just have a human source that can cut to the chase.
[43:31.010 --> 43:31.550]  I would imagine.
[43:32.230 --> 43:36.570]  And so most electronic surveillance, including most of what NSA does, is worthless.
[43:37.370 --> 43:38.030]  All right.
[43:38.030 --> 43:42.130]  I guess to vary into what's the most interesting story you came across.
[43:42.430 --> 43:43.590]  Interesting situation, I should say.
[43:43.990 --> 43:45.270]  Involving this type of thing.
[43:46.230 --> 43:47.310]  First electronic surveillance goes.
[43:47.570 --> 43:48.650]  Or counter surveillance, for that matter.
[43:49.510 --> 43:49.770]  If you want.
[43:50.170 --> 44:01.710]  The most interesting story I've heard is that there was once a denied area country that knew that we were very good at looking for electronic devices.
[44:02.370 --> 44:10.030]  So they built some very complex ceramic sound tunnels that could not be detected.
[44:11.410 --> 44:12.130]  Absolutely fascinating.
[44:12.350 --> 44:13.150]  Tunnels being what?
[44:13.810 --> 44:14.810]  Well, basically acoustics.
[44:15.490 --> 44:15.930]  Oh, wait.
[44:16.070 --> 44:16.370]  Basically.
[44:16.690 --> 44:16.930]  Yeah.
[44:17.750 --> 44:18.110]  Yeah.
[44:18.610 --> 44:19.290]  Yeah, yeah.
[44:19.410 --> 44:20.550]  I mean, boy, the ceramics.
[44:20.630 --> 44:22.590]  I mean, if you look at the Irish, I'm so impressed.
[44:22.590 --> 44:25.070]  They did a national survey or whatever.
[44:25.210 --> 44:27.770]  They were thinking about how to survive, how to resurrect Ireland.
[44:27.950 --> 44:29.590]  They knew they were good at ceramics.
[44:29.690 --> 44:32.410]  And then they discovered that ceramics are useful in electronics.
[44:32.810 --> 44:33.190]  Sure.
[44:33.670 --> 44:34.730]  So that was cool.
[44:35.070 --> 44:38.800]  How is the electronics like different?
[44:39.140 --> 44:39.700]  No, no, no.
[44:39.760 --> 44:40.880]  I'm talking two different things.
[44:40.980 --> 44:43.380]  The Irish doing ceramics and someone else.
[44:44.380 --> 44:49.260]  But, you know, most electronic surveillance, I've never been fond of it.
[44:49.260 --> 44:56.800]  And, actually, today, digital alarms are a lot tougher than the old days, you know?
[44:58.280 --> 44:59.040]  When you...
[45:02.040 --> 45:02.560]  Well,
[45:05.900 --> 45:10.160]  you know, most of what CIA does is not worth paying for.
[45:10.340 --> 45:11.080]  Not worth paying for.
[45:11.320 --> 45:11.480]  Yeah.
[45:11.900 --> 45:12.080]  Yeah.
[45:13.080 --> 45:13.820]  You good?
[45:14.120 --> 45:14.660]  I'm good.
[45:16.440 --> 45:18.040]  Because you only got an hour left.
[45:18.240 --> 45:19.820]  I mean, until your deadline, anyway.
[45:20.320 --> 45:20.480]  Yeah.
[45:20.480 --> 45:21.800]  These guys could keep you going until 10.
[45:21.920 --> 45:23.660]  No, I think they'll quit in 10 minutes.
[45:23.820 --> 45:25.120]  I don't think they'll make it to 8.
[45:26.100 --> 45:27.720]  I mean, do you need breakfast?
[45:28.540 --> 45:29.540]  No, I'm fine.
[45:29.540 --> 45:31.320]  I'll pick up some donuts on the way out the door.
[45:31.680 --> 45:31.840]  Okay.
[45:32.660 --> 45:34.860]  All I have to do is get those boxes in.
[45:34.920 --> 45:43.740]  I have to tell the guys to order the car up and get the boxes into the car, give the porter a 20-buck bill, and head south with my GPS.
[45:44.960 --> 45:46.200]  I should be fine.
[45:47.600 --> 45:51.720]  And you and I can talk offline about whether someone wants a ride or a driver.
[45:52.040 --> 45:54.980]  On balance, I tend to go on my own, but we'll talk.
[45:55.340 --> 45:55.640]  Okay.
[45:55.780 --> 45:57.180]  I just wanted to make sure of that.
[45:57.460 --> 45:59.620]  And just a quick announcement for everybody here.
[46:01.320 --> 46:05.340]  Because housekeeping is not really going to get a chance to do a super thorough job of the room.
[46:05.560 --> 46:10.820]  If you could just pick up all the bottles, the broken plastic cups, the wrappers and everything around here.
[46:10.820 --> 46:11.120]  Oh, that's great.
[46:11.120 --> 46:11.120]  Yeah, absolutely.
[46:11.460 --> 46:11.820]  Absolutely.
[46:11.880 --> 46:12.280]  That'd be good.
[46:12.300 --> 46:14.140]  It's also a great way to wake up and keep going.
[46:14.440 --> 46:14.500]  Right.
[46:14.500 --> 46:15.820]  So, yeah, if you guys could just...
[46:16.660 --> 46:17.020]  Don't...
[46:17.020 --> 46:17.620]  Keep listening.
[46:17.780 --> 46:18.580]  Keep asking questions.
[46:18.760 --> 46:21.680]  But if you're leaving the room, try to pick something up to take it out.
[46:21.840 --> 46:25.180]  And that applies for everything for the rest of the day to make Teardown go faster.
[46:25.220 --> 46:25.400]  Yeah.
[46:25.520 --> 46:25.720]  Thank you.
[46:25.720 --> 46:29.840]  I'm inclined to stop at 7 because I see people falling asleep up here.
[46:31.480 --> 46:31.920]  Uh...
[46:31.920 --> 46:32.280]  So...
[46:32.280 --> 46:33.880]  So why don't you guys...
[46:33.880 --> 46:34.480]  Why don't...
[46:34.480 --> 46:34.860]  No, no, no.
[46:34.960 --> 46:39.200]  Why don't you guys come up with like three really cool questions and let me answer them.
[46:39.500 --> 46:39.940]  And then I think...
[46:39.940 --> 46:41.500]  Group think isn't going to work this well.
[46:42.020 --> 46:42.120]  No.
[46:42.300 --> 46:42.880]  This late at night.
[46:45.760 --> 46:46.640]  So, uh...
[46:46.640 --> 46:47.240]  Wow.
[46:48.860 --> 46:49.300]  Um...
[46:49.900 --> 46:54.640]  We heard Rambam talk about, you know, privacy is dead, get over it.
[46:54.640 --> 46:57.560]  And all of the different ways that we're all losing privacy.
[46:57.860 --> 47:02.360]  I understand that you left the industry, let's say, almost 10 years ago.
[47:02.880 --> 47:07.800]  How much is what Rambam's talking about being used by your current...
[47:07.800 --> 47:08.880]  Or by any current...
[47:09.260 --> 47:11.840]  First off, the UN doesn't spy on anybody.
[47:12.900 --> 47:13.660]  Um...
[47:13.660 --> 47:17.800]  But I urge you to read my human intelligence monograph.
[47:18.120 --> 47:18.880]  Um...
[47:18.880 --> 47:24.820]  Because it distinguishes between the four classified slices and the 11 unclassified slices of human.
[47:25.880 --> 47:26.640]  Um...
[47:26.640 --> 47:33.540]  You know, the bottom line is that the intelligence community will use anything that costs money.
[47:37.220 --> 47:40.700]  And they will ignore anything that doesn't cost money.
[47:40.980 --> 47:41.280]  So...
[47:41.280 --> 47:46.860]  And a lot of his business is like, you know, you give $11 to this database, $7 to this database, and they'll all...
[47:46.860 --> 47:47.820]  They'll all just give it up.
[47:47.940 --> 47:48.540]  It's no big deal.
[47:48.540 --> 47:50.440]  As long as you have the right credentials, it's all yours.
[47:50.860 --> 47:51.800]  Well, not really.
[47:51.800 --> 48:01.840]  Actually, intelligence analysts today who want to do interagency database checks probably spend a third of their time just negotiating the password bullshit.
[48:02.740 --> 48:07.060]  And they're lucky if they can spend a third of their time actually grabbing relevant data.
[48:07.340 --> 48:14.180]  In the words of one of the Intel Link administrators a few years ago, it's a crapshoot.
[48:16.520 --> 48:17.100]  Okay?
[48:17.280 --> 48:20.990]  I mean, really, you've got to realize that the intelligence community database system...
[48:21.610 --> 48:29.530]  Is a whole series of stovepipes built by a hundred different contractors, none of whom wanted any other contractor to be able to connect to their database.
[48:30.670 --> 48:31.190]  Okay?
[48:31.290 --> 48:31.930]  It's a nightmare.
[48:32.350 --> 48:36.210]  And because of secrecy, it's almost impossible to resolve.
[48:36.470 --> 48:43.610]  Which is why I wanted to create an open source agency that would set the gold standard for what could be known and shared.
[48:44.430 --> 48:54.670]  And then from there, we would move to creating a completely new classified system that would have attributes on each datum for who could see it.
[48:56.830 --> 48:57.530]  Thank you.
[48:57.970 --> 48:58.170]  Yep.
[48:59.330 --> 49:05.470]  Okay, so now, when I was in college, I joined like, I guess you could say it was like a secret society.
[49:05.470 --> 49:09.370]  And you know, from when I was younger, I won't talk about it.
[49:09.470 --> 49:15.890]  But when I was younger, you know, like, I had watched movies and you know, you have this whole big ideal of what that's going to be like.
[49:16.590 --> 49:21.110]  And I would say for a good three month period, I walked around like my dick was two feet long.
[49:22.450 --> 49:22.810]  So...
[49:22.810 --> 49:24.470]  Instead of like three inches?
[49:24.470 --> 49:26.410]  So what I'm wondering is...
[49:26.410 --> 49:27.030]  Don't get personal.
[49:27.390 --> 49:28.170]  And you know...
[49:28.170 --> 49:29.090]  And plus, how do you know?
[49:29.810 --> 49:35.610]  You grew up in an age of where, you know, like, there were spy movies and there was James Bond.
[49:35.830 --> 49:44.450]  Like, mentally, like emotionally, what was it like that first, like, three month period where you were, like, in, you know...
[49:44.450 --> 49:51.430]  Well, if you ever want a good time, go to Williamsburg in the springtime and look for all the kids with Pentax cameras.
[49:51.430 --> 49:52.550]  Oh, yeah!
[49:53.030 --> 49:59.390]  You know, they're taking pictures of dead drops and foot tosses and car tosses and stuff.
[49:59.650 --> 50:00.750]  I mean, it's a hoot.
[50:00.930 --> 50:01.670]  Because I...
[50:02.110 --> 50:04.630]  When I was doing it...
[50:07.260 --> 50:16.940]  When I was there, I could look up and I saw these two lawyers and they were looking down and I could kind of hear them saying, Oh, the new crop has arrived.
[50:17.620 --> 50:18.280]  You know?
[50:21.860 --> 50:26.180]  I felt like I was a Jesuit priest in a sacred order.
[50:26.520 --> 50:32.340]  And, I mean, it viscerally hurt me to leave the clandestine service because my identity was all wrapped up in it.
[50:32.700 --> 50:34.980]  But I outgrew it.
[50:34.980 --> 50:41.220]  And there's certainly some spying that needs to be done and some of it is terrifying.
[50:42.000 --> 50:43.140]  And, in fact, I...
[50:43.140 --> 50:52.240]  Based on my own experience, I read once in a law enforcement book that the average law enforcement life is 90% sheer boredom and 10% sheer terror.
[50:52.480 --> 50:54.840]  And that comes pretty close to my own experience.
[50:55.300 --> 50:58.940]  90% boredom and 10% sheer terror.
[51:00.120 --> 51:01.160]  Do you miss it?
[51:01.720 --> 51:02.280]  No.
[51:02.560 --> 51:03.600]  I don't miss it.
[51:04.300 --> 51:06.660]  In fact, I love working for the UN.
[51:07.000 --> 51:10.120]  Because in Guatemala, I feel I'm doing some good.
[51:10.480 --> 51:12.640]  And I'm doing it without breaking any laws.
[51:12.720 --> 51:15.000]  And I'm doing it very inexpensively.
[51:15.760 --> 51:22.200]  And at the end of the day, my integrity is vastly more valuable than my clearances ever were.
[51:29.020 --> 51:33.220]  So, you did fulfill a purpose for the government.
[51:33.900 --> 51:36.100]  If you were to be the post...
[51:36.100 --> 51:37.560]  This is really a stretch, perhaps.
[51:37.800 --> 51:38.880]  No, it's not, actually.
[51:38.940 --> 51:50.680]  If you were to be a poster child for your position, and you were to, like, go on, you know, let's say, be all you can be, or the few, the proud, the brave, or...
[51:50.680 --> 51:54.740]  You know, all these other slogans out there that are government recruitment.
[51:55.340 --> 51:56.680]  How would you...
[51:57.940 --> 51:58.560]  I'm sorry.
[51:58.720 --> 52:02.700]  How would you recruit somebody to fill a position like that?
[52:05.160 --> 52:09.740]  And perhaps try to be as honest as possible as saying, look, it's not going to be all glorious all the time.
[52:09.880 --> 52:12.120]  You're not going to get laid every goddamn night like James Bond.
[52:14.080 --> 52:16.500]  Well, first off, I mean, there's two ways of doing it.
[52:16.580 --> 52:17.900]  And the current way is still bad.
[52:17.900 --> 52:20.680]  The current way recruits young people who are U.S.
[52:20.760 --> 52:23.960]  citizens who can be cleared because they've never done anything interesting.
[52:25.460 --> 52:27.320]  And they don't speak a foreign language.
[52:28.080 --> 52:33.480]  I mean, CIA's dirty little secret is like 16% of their population speaks a foreign language.
[52:33.760 --> 52:35.760]  I mean, that's unbelievable.
[52:36.520 --> 52:48.540]  If I were the DNI, apart from practicing, apart from changing the position to eliminate it, I would recruit people at mid-career.
[52:49.220 --> 52:53.880]  There is no cover that can be fabricated that will stand up to 24 hours of scrutiny.
[52:54.800 --> 52:56.980]  And how would you entice them, though?
[52:57.100 --> 52:58.800]  Because mid-careers like money.
[52:59.220 --> 52:59.720]  Of course.
[52:59.720 --> 53:01.260]  And you pay.
[53:01.660 --> 53:14.120]  And basically what you want, what you want is a mid-career person who has spent 20 years becoming a top person in the region with a Rolodex that only 20 years can build.
[53:14.120 --> 53:17.160]  And you mean, I'm sorry, you mean region overseas though, right?
[53:17.300 --> 53:17.500]  Yeah.
[53:18.780 --> 53:29.200]  And so you find someone who has spent 20 years in Latin America, has a Rolodex to die for, and basically would like to add 10% spice to their life.
[53:30.200 --> 53:34.760]  And you basically have them continue to live the cover that they built unwittingly.
[53:35.080 --> 53:40.100]  And you really manage them very, very carefully for very, very serious things.
[53:40.100 --> 53:45.140]  For example, no resident NOC should ever do a recruitment.
[53:45.380 --> 53:52.000]  They should only handle people who have been recruited by others in third countries and properly vetted and are absolutely secure.
[53:52.340 --> 53:54.180]  I mean, this is not how we do business.
[53:54.420 --> 53:56.900]  We have a few really great James Bond types.
[53:56.960 --> 54:00.560]  And we have a few really great non-official cover officers.
[54:01.160 --> 54:03.880]  But really there's like four or five CIAs.
[54:04.000 --> 54:05.140]  There's a White House CIA.
[54:05.300 --> 54:06.460]  There's a Wall Street CIA.
[54:06.680 --> 54:08.200]  There's a bureaucracy CIA.
[54:08.200 --> 54:12.820]  There's a Safari Club rendition torture sodomized kids CIA.
[54:13.940 --> 54:16.340]  And then there's probably one other CIA.
[54:17.020 --> 54:18.380]  Who's the last one?
[54:19.140 --> 54:21.820]  No S&T stuff and just different stuff.
[54:24.040 --> 54:25.520]  Science and technology.
[54:25.660 --> 54:25.980]  Thank you.
[54:26.760 --> 54:30.020]  I mean, I've known two people who have been recruited by the CIA.
[54:30.340 --> 54:38.680]  And their general background has been either they've lived in a country previously or their father has some kind of diplomatic or overseas leadership and they were U.S.
[54:39.460 --> 54:39.720]  citizens.
[54:40.580 --> 54:45.720]  So you're saying don't recruit at a young age and go for the people who are basically established there?
[54:45.720 --> 54:51.300]  Well, I actually was part of trying to think through the future of the clandestine service.
[54:51.360 --> 54:52.380]  And I've published this.
[54:52.540 --> 54:54.060]  I have five slices.
[54:55.520 --> 55:01.460]  Slice number one is young people who are recruited to be part of the glue of the system who will be there forever.
[55:01.460 --> 55:02.920]  That's one-fifth.
[55:03.840 --> 55:06.080]  One-fifth are U.S.
[55:06.620 --> 55:10.500]  citizens recruited at mid-career to be non-official cover officers.
[55:11.480 --> 55:26.160]  Slice number three, the third-fifth, is third-party nationals who are recruited at mid-career to be career case officers but never touching classified materials, never coming back to headquarters.
[55:26.860 --> 55:36.720]  Slice number four of the fourth-fifth is clandestine case officers from other countries who are recruited to be part of a regional station.
[55:36.920 --> 55:48.800]  For example, the Australians and the Cambodians do very, very well at human trafficking penetrations by using Cambodian case officers up close and Australians in back with money and technology.
[55:49.240 --> 55:52.900]  And then slice number five would be it's just business.
[55:53.360 --> 56:07.060]  If you've got a piece of gear going into a sensitive installation in Libya or someplace, you go to the West German business and you say, I'll give you a million dollars, I'll give you half upon insertion of the device into here, and I'll give you half when I get signal on the other end.
[56:07.200 --> 56:11.360]  And we'll never see you again and we're not going to give you lie detector tests and all this shit.
[56:11.680 --> 56:13.400]  That works for AT&T.
[56:14.620 --> 56:19.620]  But isn't it considerably different than the current model of where, you know, you grow people?
[56:20.000 --> 56:23.340]  Well, the current model, you don't grow people, you abuse them.
[56:24.040 --> 56:24.900]  Good point.
[56:27.380 --> 56:29.000]  We're all a little bit in the process.
[56:29.880 --> 56:31.080]  You hook them young.
[56:31.880 --> 56:34.840]  You know, I mean, I'm sorry, but it's pathetic.
[56:35.440 --> 56:37.220]  I mean, I look at these young kids.
[56:37.500 --> 56:39.080]  I mean, CIA analysts...
[56:39.720 --> 56:42.460]  I flew back from Beirut with the World Bank guy.
[56:43.780 --> 56:48.300]  And he said that the CIA analysts had come to see him and they were so young.
[56:48.300 --> 56:56.140]  And the hypotheses they put forward to explain instability in Sudan were so ignorant they were frightening.
[56:57.120 --> 56:57.760]  Okay?
[56:58.300 --> 57:03.220]  The bulk of CIA's analytic population has less than five years in adulthood.
[57:03.480 --> 57:04.580]  And even that is questionable.
[57:05.260 --> 57:06.300]  Define adulthood.
[57:07.340 --> 57:08.560]  Post-college.
[57:08.680 --> 57:09.420]  18 or 21.
[57:09.900 --> 57:10.460]  Yeah.
[57:11.560 --> 57:12.880]  18, well, 21.
[57:13.000 --> 57:13.740]  Let's call it 21.
[57:13.920 --> 57:14.700]  21 to 25.
[57:14.700 --> 57:15.820]  I mean, so they're under 30.
[57:16.080 --> 57:17.200]  They're under 30.
[57:17.200 --> 57:18.960]  They don't know jack shit about the world.
[57:19.200 --> 57:22.420]  And they don't speak the language of the country they're responsible for.
[57:22.740 --> 57:24.640]  They're only there because they can get a clearance.
[57:25.820 --> 57:28.500]  And they weren't good enough to go to Wall Street and cheat the public.
[57:32.620 --> 57:33.060]  Yeah.
[57:33.560 --> 57:34.180]  All right, sir.
[57:34.640 --> 57:35.460]  Little shift.
[57:36.300 --> 57:38.980]  The tsunami that happened a couple years ago and killed...
[57:38.980 --> 57:39.640]  Yeah, that was great.
[57:39.760 --> 57:40.400]  The people intelligence.
[57:41.440 --> 57:41.460]  Yeah.
[57:41.460 --> 57:47.340]  I'm pretty sure that you had mentioned, even at the Last HOPE, how that was orchestrated or there was some thing in there.
[57:47.460 --> 57:51.400]  And I remember thinking about that and I've kind of let that sit in my mind the last couple of years.
[57:51.520 --> 58:07.160]  And it was only recently that I heard some bit of information, I'm hoping you can verify this one way or the other, about some ungodly amount of minerals that were brought up from the sea and landed on the beaches and stuff that were harvested.
[58:07.160 --> 58:09.320]  I haven't heard anything about that.
[58:09.460 --> 58:10.080]  It's fascinating.
[58:10.360 --> 58:17.120]  I know there was a lot of interest in mining the sea in the 70s, but I know nothing about that.
[58:17.720 --> 58:18.340]  Yes, sir.
[58:19.660 --> 58:21.820]  Sorry to go back to the spy stuff again.
[58:22.060 --> 58:22.780]  Sure, no problem.
[58:23.940 --> 58:37.140]  Now, how often do spies like the double agents or spies, the power goes with their head, they go AWOL or they spill it off and start doing like clandestine things on their own outside of the government?
[58:37.280 --> 58:40.640]  Like, is that just like movie stuff or does that happen?
[58:40.800 --> 58:42.780]  Well, let me answer that on several levels.
[58:42.780 --> 58:55.200]  For example, CIA made a huge mistake in the last few years and they authorized their case officers to do outside consulting on a not to interfere basis with their spying.
[58:56.740 --> 58:57.620]  Big mistake.
[58:57.620 --> 58:57.880]  It doesn't even make sense.
[58:58.040 --> 58:58.820]  Of course it doesn't.
[58:58.880 --> 58:59.540]  It's stupid.
[59:00.340 --> 59:04.520]  Can you just repeat, like, just one more time so I'm not hearing this wrong.
[59:04.580 --> 59:05.580]  Repeat that slowly.
[59:05.580 --> 59:05.620]  Wait.
[59:06.600 --> 59:13.260]  The clandestine service allowed its spies to do private work on the side.
[59:15.580 --> 59:16.760]  Like self-crack?
[59:16.880 --> 59:17.240]  Moonlighting.
[59:17.820 --> 59:18.620]  Yeah, moonlighting.
[59:18.700 --> 59:20.900]  Yeah, that's completely unbelievable.
[59:21.160 --> 59:23.000]  Well, I'm sorry, but you heard it here.
[59:25.240 --> 59:27.180]  You weren't available for hire.
[59:27.460 --> 59:27.620]  Yeah.
[59:28.520 --> 59:30.800]  So, do those people ever like, you know what?
[59:31.260 --> 59:32.000]  Screw the U.S.
[59:32.000 --> 59:34.000]  These people are going to give me 10 million in smuggled drugs.
[59:34.080 --> 59:34.400]  Let's do this.
[59:34.400 --> 59:44.720]  Well, actually, we have had issues with non-official cover officers who went to corporations and found out they could earn a million dollars instead of $45,000.
[59:45.220 --> 59:48.040]  Could you just explain what that type of officer does?
[59:48.340 --> 59:55.080]  Well, basically, they are non-official cover, which means they're not operating out of an embassy or an official U.S. installation.
[59:56.340 --> 01:00:00.220]  So, those are the ones where if they get caught, the U.S. says, oh, we don't know what they're doing?
[01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:01.120]  In theory.
[01:00:01.640 --> 01:00:01.920]  Okay.
[01:00:02.080 --> 01:00:02.220]  In theory.
[01:00:02.220 --> 01:00:02.340]  In theory.
[01:00:03.060 --> 01:00:03.580]  Yeah.
[01:00:03.820 --> 01:00:04.320]  In theory.
[01:00:04.500 --> 01:00:08.720]  I mean, we've had one knock in China for 40 years in a prison.
[01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.600]  And, I mean, there are some very sad stories.
[01:00:12.940 --> 01:00:13.880]  No spy swaps?
[01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:16.840]  Well, yes and no.
[01:00:16.980 --> 01:00:22.280]  I mean, this recent thing with Russia was the FBI f*cking Obama.
[01:00:23.540 --> 01:00:28.320]  And then the CIA knew that they were going to do it, so they spent some time thinking about who to trade.
[01:00:28.460 --> 01:00:30.120]  And I think they got some very good trades.
[01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.040]  Well, could you explain the trade?
[01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:34.700]  No, because I'm not familiar enough with it.
[01:00:34.740 --> 01:00:38.860]  You just go read about it and you'll see that they got some people that deserve to be gotten out.
[01:00:38.860 --> 01:00:39.320]  Yeah.
[01:00:40.080 --> 01:00:41.480]  So, I was pleased.
[01:00:41.640 --> 01:00:42.980]  And please don't misunderstand me.
[01:00:43.080 --> 01:00:50.080]  I mean, CIA is full of really great people, including my wife, who are doing the best they can within a very bad system.
[01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:51.440]  Okay?
[01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:52.840]  It's a horrible system.
[01:00:53.100 --> 01:00:53.740]  Yes, sir.
[01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:54.940]  Yes, hi.
[01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.940]  You've talked a lot about reforming the American system.
[01:01:01.500 --> 01:01:14.020]  I don't know if you mentioned maybe reforming the UN system, because I just visited their ground on Geneva and saw the organizational chart and it was just horrifying of complexity.
[01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:18.920]  So, do you think that there's change to be made in this bureaucracy also?
[01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:19.440]  Well, yeah.
[01:01:19.780 --> 01:01:21.480]  I mean, that's what my latest book is about.
[01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:29.220]  And in there, I have a chapter in the United Nations and I actually look at the United Nations topics on their own website.
[01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:34.680]  The United Nations is incoherent and it hasn't got a clue.
[01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:40.960]  I mean, it's so disorganized and most people don't realize this, but the Secretary General of the United Nations doesn't have any authority at all.
[01:01:41.380 --> 01:01:45.640]  And there are a number of specialized agencies that are basically run off budget.
[01:01:45.640 --> 01:01:51.980]  They're run by contributions, a combination of allocations and donations.
[01:01:53.220 --> 01:01:59.840]  However, and I think the book properly credits the United Nations with being a potential force.
[01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:04.280]  What the United Nations lacks is intelligence in every sense of the word.
[01:02:05.780 --> 01:02:07.520]  Brahimi did this very well.
[01:02:07.660 --> 01:02:10.660]  The Brahimi report was a superior piece of work.
[01:02:11.720 --> 01:02:18.040]  And then Louise Frechette, a Canadian, did good.
[01:02:18.380 --> 01:02:21.620]  I mean, Louise Frechette came into the United Nations and was horrified.
[01:02:21.620 --> 01:02:23.600]  I mean, they didn't have staff processes.
[01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:25.160]  They didn't have briefing papers.
[01:02:25.540 --> 01:02:27.720]  They didn't have a way of supporting decisions.
[01:02:28.060 --> 01:02:30.740]  And one of the things, I published a book on peacekeeping intelligence.
[01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:36.420]  You know, if you don't have strategic intelligence, you don't get the mandate right.
[01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:40.240]  If you don't have operational intelligence, you don't get the force structure right.
[01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:44.540]  If you don't have tactical intelligence, you lose people and don't get the mission done.
[01:02:44.540 --> 01:02:48.300]  And if you don't have technical intelligence, you're basically incapacitated.
[01:02:49.280 --> 01:03:05.280]  And so a number of us have worked very hard over the past few years to try and develop a concept of UN intelligence, and Professor Walt Dorn is one of the leaders in this field, and General Patrick Khmer, myself, a few others.
[01:03:07.070 --> 01:03:16.460]  Basically the United Nations right now suffers from the fact that it's dependent on member nations for both money and information, and personnel.
[01:03:17.720 --> 01:03:29.340]  And a third of the UN is nepotistically incompetent, a third of the UN is spies who are fine as long as they're taking people to lunch, but they're also in cover jobs they don't understand.
[01:03:29.820 --> 01:03:35.240]  And so the reality is the UN is running on the backs of one-third of the people who are real UN.
[01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:37.680]  And that's a problem.
[01:03:37.680 --> 01:03:45.420]  But the other thing the UN hasn't figured out how to do is how to become a hub for multinational information sharing and sense-making.
[01:03:45.860 --> 01:03:48.860]  And I honestly don't know if I'll survive.
[01:03:49.160 --> 01:03:53.120]  I mean, there's every chance that I will be fired by the UN on any given day.
[01:03:54.520 --> 01:04:00.260]  Because I am as antithetical to the UN culture as it's possible to get.
[01:04:01.340 --> 01:04:03.000]  And so we'll see how this goes.
[01:04:04.300 --> 01:04:09.620]  But if you want to help me talk my book up to anybody that's with the UN and tell them it's free online.
[01:04:10.060 --> 01:04:13.480]  And I would love to see the book get spread around.
[01:04:13.700 --> 01:04:14.960]  Yes sir, you're shaking your head.
[01:04:15.160 --> 01:04:18.760]  I'm shaking my head because he tapped the mic behind me just because he's excited.
[01:04:19.900 --> 01:04:28.380]  I want to talk about about four years ago they found a CIA plane that was tracked back to a shopping mall or whatever.
[01:04:29.220 --> 01:04:31.820]  And that was tracked back to a drug trafficking cartel.
[01:04:32.120 --> 01:04:42.620]  And then if you watch The Great White Hype or Hope, that puts a whole bunch of crack back into South Central America or LA.
[01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:45.240]  I think I'm in that movie.
[01:04:46.380 --> 01:04:49.140]  I might have missed that part but fantastic if you are.
[01:04:49.420 --> 01:04:50.540]  If you slept through it, that's okay.
[01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:52.180]  There's a lot of drug dealers and...
[01:04:52.740 --> 01:04:53.360]  Oh, Ricky Ross.
[01:04:54.100 --> 01:04:54.540]  Yeah.
[01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:54.900]  And Blandon.
[01:04:54.980 --> 01:04:56.100]  I talked about him earlier.
[01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:00.140]  I mean basically CIA got Blandon out of jail and we put Ricky Ross in jail.
[01:05:00.240 --> 01:05:05.840]  And that movie is probably ten years old and they found that airplane five years ago.
[01:05:06.180 --> 01:05:08.000]  So stuff's still going on obviously.
[01:05:08.200 --> 01:05:08.340]  Yes.
[01:05:08.340 --> 01:05:12.320]  So there's still small aircraft bringing large amounts of drugs across boats?
[01:05:12.600 --> 01:05:17.160]  I continue to speculate that CIA and DEA are running drugs into the United States.
[01:05:18.100 --> 01:05:21.320]  Do you think it's for money or do you think it's for some other profit?
[01:05:21.860 --> 01:05:23.300]  Like is there another reason there?
[01:05:23.700 --> 01:05:26.280]  I'm sure there's a series of complex reasons.
[01:05:26.720 --> 01:05:29.880]  And can that be enough volume to really make a difference?
[01:05:30.420 --> 01:05:30.840]  Oh yeah.
[01:05:31.260 --> 01:05:31.540]  Oh yeah.
[01:05:32.080 --> 01:05:32.600]  Yeah.
[01:05:32.820 --> 01:05:35.740]  I mean just read my review of Dark Alliance.
[01:05:36.060 --> 01:05:36.500]  Hmm.
[01:05:38.080 --> 01:05:38.480]  Okay.
[01:05:38.680 --> 01:05:40.080]  Up here and then we'll go back to you.
[01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:42.480]  Can you speak about your work in Guatemala?
[01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:45.260]  Or is it...
[01:05:45.260 --> 01:05:45.420]  No.
[01:05:45.540 --> 01:05:46.620]  The short answer is no.
[01:05:48.100 --> 01:05:51.040]  I mean it's a miracle they let me come up here at all.
[01:05:51.980 --> 01:05:54.180]  So I'm very pleased to be part of the UN.
[01:05:54.500 --> 01:05:58.840]  This conference has nothing to do with the UN and my remarks are my own.
[01:06:00.100 --> 01:06:16.020]  But I will tell you that the UN is experiencing some serious success in Guatemala with a hybrid organization which is helping the government to learn how to put people in jail and how to do investigative work and how to be effective.
[01:06:17.300 --> 01:06:20.680]  Because unfortunately when governments fail, gangs prosper.
[01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:27.520]  And so what we have to do is help governments be legitimate and efficient.
[01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:34.400]  And when you do that, it has a very beneficial effect on the economy because investors then gain confidence.
[01:06:35.060 --> 01:06:35.920]  Do you have Mexico?
[01:06:36.140 --> 01:06:36.480]  Do you have similar work in Mexico?
[01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:36.740]  What's that?
[01:06:36.900 --> 01:06:38.220]  Do you have similar work in Mexico?
[01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:42.400]  No, but Mexico desperately needs it and so does the United States.
[01:06:43.560 --> 01:06:46.800]  I mean, corruption is a scourge.
[01:06:47.600 --> 01:06:49.780]  And corruption is what enables crime.
[01:06:49.780 --> 01:06:52.880]  What prohibition fix it if we got rid of it?
[01:06:53.540 --> 01:06:53.980]  Prohibition.
[01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:56.340]  At least for coke and weed.
[01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:57.180]  Prohibition of what?
[01:06:57.300 --> 01:06:57.820]  Get rid of it.
[01:06:58.020 --> 01:06:58.760]  Get rid of it for what?
[01:06:59.720 --> 01:07:00.800]  Prohibition of what?
[01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:01.360]  Yeah, coke and weed.
[01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:01.540]  Coke and weed.
[01:07:02.300 --> 01:07:02.720]  F*ck it.
[01:07:03.160 --> 01:07:08.280]  Well, I think the legalization of drugs is certainly an important part of the solution.
[01:07:09.500 --> 01:07:11.820]  The Netherlands has done this very successfully.
[01:07:12.820 --> 01:07:15.040]  But that's not my real field.
[01:07:15.220 --> 01:07:16.380]  So let me go to you in the back.
[01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:28.000]  Yeah, I was actually wondering what kind of baseline training techniques, for instance, did he bring you through like basic marine training?
[01:07:28.380 --> 01:07:29.780]  Any martial arts combat?
[01:07:30.560 --> 01:07:31.120]  No.
[01:07:31.140 --> 01:07:32.180]  Special weapons training?
[01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:33.320]  No.
[01:07:34.120 --> 01:07:34.660]  Typing.
[01:07:36.040 --> 01:07:38.480]  And how many words per minute would that be?
[01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:42.080]  You want to be up toward 100.
[01:07:42.580 --> 01:07:43.020]  Yes.
[01:07:44.080 --> 01:07:47.960]  You get bonuses for combat, you know, if you go to 140 or something?
[01:07:49.020 --> 01:07:49.540]  No.
[01:07:49.900 --> 01:07:50.340]  No.
[01:07:51.240 --> 01:07:53.200]  But you get to take a bathroom break.
[01:07:55.040 --> 01:07:57.400]  No, you know, I mean, it's interesting.
[01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:00.740]  I was talking to a New York cop and New York cops get six months training.
[01:08:01.020 --> 01:08:03.700]  Marine Corps infantry lieutenants get six months training.
[01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:05.340]  Spies get six months training.
[01:08:06.180 --> 01:08:10.440]  And it basically covers what's called the intelligence cycle.
[01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:12.610]  So there's recruitment.
[01:08:13.500 --> 01:08:15.480]  Well, actually, there's spotting and assessing.
[01:08:15.980 --> 01:08:17.620]  And then there's recruiting.
[01:08:17.700 --> 01:08:18.700]  And then there's handling.
[01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:21.040]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[01:08:21.140 --> 01:08:29.960]  Spotting and assessing, developing, recruiting, handling, and then termination, which just means paying them enough so they don't talk about it afterwards.
[01:08:31.580 --> 01:08:33.880]  And so you get training in those things.
[01:08:34.180 --> 01:08:48.940]  And, you know, the biggest part is making sure that you understand how to debrief somebody and how to take notes and how to not be discovered doing all of that and then how to type it all up and get it back.
[01:08:48.940 --> 01:08:59.560]  I was going to kind of add that, you know, six months training is generally what a gunner's mate on a Navy ship kind of has to point the gun in the right direction and know how to load it and so forth.
[01:08:59.740 --> 01:08:59.820]  Right.
[01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:02.840]  So how do you supplement that?
[01:09:03.100 --> 01:09:06.880]  I mean, do you feel naked when you finally, like, reality hits you?
[01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:14.840]  No, and in fact, there are several books by young CIA people who left CIA after training and wrote books and they're beneath contempt.
[01:09:15.820 --> 01:09:18.760]  The training is actually a weeding out process.
[01:09:19.160 --> 01:09:23.440]  And if you graduate from training, then you really learn your job in the first tour overseas.
[01:09:24.080 --> 01:09:31.240]  And you learn that under a chief of station and a chief of operations who actually walk you through doing it for real.
[01:09:32.060 --> 01:09:37.600]  So the biggest hit that a guy hit in the streets after that training, your advice would be what?
[01:09:38.260 --> 01:09:40.820]  What's supplemental to that that you've learned?
[01:09:40.820 --> 01:09:45.700]  Well, it's not advice that I followed because I probably stood out like a neon sign.
[01:09:46.260 --> 01:09:47.280]  At least now.
[01:09:47.660 --> 01:09:48.360]  No, then.
[01:09:48.900 --> 01:10:00.160]  I was the Energizer bunny and throwing money around like it was going out of style and going in and out of an official installation.
[01:10:00.160 --> 01:10:06.080]  So I'm quite sure that the liaison knew every single person I was talking to.
[01:10:06.080 --> 01:10:09.360]  And so I was basically just living a fraud.
[01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:18.080]  And that's what I don't think people are really willing to accept is the fact that most of what CIA does is known to local liaison.
[01:10:18.780 --> 01:10:20.320]  They're controlling the information.
[01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:23.140]  They're fully aware of what's being told the CIA.
[01:10:23.300 --> 01:10:24.940]  They're probably feeding some of it.
[01:10:24.940 --> 01:10:26.800]  And we pretended...
[01:10:26.800 --> 01:10:35.420]  And in fact, this is actually true when CIA found out that at least one of its major Soviet agents was being controlled by the KGB.
[01:10:35.900 --> 01:10:37.620]  They did not tell the president.
[01:10:38.400 --> 01:10:46.260]  They actually continued to feed intelligence from that asset to the president and not tell them that it was a controlled source being run by the KGB.
[01:10:46.260 --> 01:10:49.740]  I mean, this is the lack of integrity is just mind boggling.
[01:10:51.820 --> 01:10:54.300]  Okay, I got a different question for you here.
[01:10:55.600 --> 01:11:06.500]  What can you tell us, whatever you can tell us, on any type of extraterrestrial contact that the CIA is aware of?
[01:11:07.120 --> 01:11:08.160]  Good for you.
[01:11:08.400 --> 01:11:09.220]  Good for trying.
[01:11:09.220 --> 01:11:10.420]  Well, I...
[01:11:10.420 --> 01:11:10.880]  Woo!
[01:11:11.240 --> 01:11:11.880]  That was...
[01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:12.200]  Yeah.
[01:11:12.300 --> 01:11:16.720]  I can't speak for CIA, but I personally was on Luna 3 yesterday.
[01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:18.060]  And...
[01:11:18.740 --> 01:11:19.300]  No.
[01:11:20.780 --> 01:11:23.640]  I've read a number of books and hidden truth.
[01:11:24.020 --> 01:11:27.740]  And there's these two books by this guy, Gant or whatever.
[01:11:27.900 --> 01:11:30.540]  He just had a very interesting conference out in the Midwest.
[01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:36.540]  And there was an MIT book on encounters with extraterrestrials.
[01:11:36.540 --> 01:11:38.260]  And I'm quite satisfied.
[01:11:38.480 --> 01:11:42.440]  And also, governments are starting to declassify their UFO stuff.
[01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:44.900]  The government of Brazil and Chile.
[01:11:45.740 --> 01:11:56.420]  And so, what's happening now is we're starting to see a serious mass of evidence come out that there have been extraterrestrial contacts since the 1940s.
[01:11:56.580 --> 01:12:01.160]  And the government has been keeping it secret in part because they've been harvesting technologies.
[01:12:02.380 --> 01:12:04.320]  And I really don't know the details.
[01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:06.640]  And I certainly...
[01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:07.940]  Do you like the Jim Morris books?
[01:12:09.020 --> 01:12:09.460]  Yeah.
[01:12:09.660 --> 01:12:10.900]  I do like Jim Morris' books.
[01:12:12.100 --> 01:12:12.980]  Jim Morris?
[01:12:13.160 --> 01:12:13.340]  Or...
[01:12:13.340 --> 01:12:13.820]  Marrs.
[01:12:14.140 --> 01:12:14.900]  Jim Marrs.
[01:12:15.140 --> 01:12:16.240]  M-A-R-R-S.
[01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:17.000]  Yeah.
[01:12:17.240 --> 01:12:17.320]  Yeah.
[01:12:17.460 --> 01:12:22.820]  Bottom line is I don't know what CIA knows about extraterrestrial, but frankly, that's mostly the Air Force domain.
[01:12:22.820 --> 01:12:25.260]  They've kind of claimed that area.
[01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:31.880]  And it's not something I was privy to.
[01:12:32.040 --> 01:12:34.480]  It's not something that I would violate if I were privy to.
[01:12:34.700 --> 01:12:39.660]  But based exclusively on open source intelligence, there is extraterrestrial life out there.
[01:12:39.780 --> 01:12:40.920]  We scare the shit out of them.
[01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:46.680]  And we have been abusing the public by keeping all of this secret all of these years.
[01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:47.480]  Annual waves?
[01:12:48.040 --> 01:12:48.640]  What's that?
[01:12:49.080 --> 01:12:49.560]  Um...
[01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:51.860]  I just said, is it the annual rape that scares them?
[01:12:51.860 --> 01:12:53.520]  Or what scares the extraterrestrial?
[01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:56.080]  The fact that we're nuclear and don't know how to handle it.
[01:12:56.280 --> 01:12:56.780]  Fair enough.
[01:12:57.700 --> 01:12:58.960]  an Americans stay still.
[01:12:59.120 --> 01:12:59.740]  What's that?
[01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:01.240]  an Americans stay still.
[01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:03.840]  d titanium.
[01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:05.660]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:13:06.700 --> 01:13:07.060]  An economic way scares away more.
[01:13:07.060 --> 01:13:08.680]  The annual rape would scare you us way more.
[01:13:09.040 --> 01:13:09.800]  You go on.
[01:13:10.240 --> 01:13:19.600]  I was actually gonna' ask about the election cycle here and how some of the sheeple Sheeple, I like that.
[01:13:20.440 --> 01:13:27.500]  Every four years, they kind of decide that we need a little bit of hope, a little bit of change out there.
[01:13:27.900 --> 01:13:28.740]  It's all theater.
[01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:32.960]  I mean, Chomsky wrote the book on it, Manufacturing Consent, which actually has two authors.
[01:13:33.200 --> 01:13:35.620]  So how do we get around that, though?
[01:13:35.740 --> 01:13:40.280]  Because I know there are other countries, I've heard there are other countries out there, perhaps these Canadians here.
[01:13:40.280 --> 01:13:55.480]  But I've heard there are other countries out there who have different electorate criteria, for instance, where perhaps majority doesn't rule, but it's based on a percentage of your electorate vote.
[01:13:55.600 --> 01:14:00.540]  I personally like parliamentary systems, because I really do not like winner-take-all.
[01:14:01.700 --> 01:14:03.400]  It really messes us up.
[01:14:04.340 --> 01:14:18.260]  So I like parliamentary systems, and I certainly like systems that absolutely do not allow committees to hold secret hearings, or secret earmark hearings, or secret authorizations, or appropriations.
[01:14:18.300 --> 01:14:20.740]  And what would that be, just as an example?
[01:14:20.980 --> 01:14:21.400]  What do you mean?
[01:14:22.260 --> 01:14:25.320]  Like, are there any going on right now that, I mean...
[01:14:25.320 --> 01:14:26.300]  I honestly don't know.
[01:14:26.860 --> 01:14:27.800]  Acta, perhaps?
[01:14:27.900 --> 01:14:30.340]  I have not really studied this.
[01:14:30.340 --> 01:14:32.760]  I just know that secrecy is a cancer.
[01:14:33.400 --> 01:14:40.640]  And we have to keep these people accountable and transparent, and that's not happening now, obviously.
[01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:43.560]  But the problem is, guess what?
[01:14:43.700 --> 01:14:53.600]  We're not like the old guys who were like there four years before, because you have a short-term memory, and it only goes back like three years and nine months back.
[01:14:53.780 --> 01:14:54.880]  No, you keep talking, I'm going to the bathroom.
[01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:55.920]  So we're not really like the old people.
[01:14:59.570 --> 01:15:01.650]  Does this reach into the restroom?
[01:15:01.650 --> 01:15:04.270]  Because I want to make sure you have a good time when you're gone.
[01:15:05.410 --> 01:15:06.650]  I want to make sure you came in silence.
[01:15:07.790 --> 01:15:09.110]  I'll wait until you get it back.
[01:15:18.890 --> 01:15:25.450]  I was going to say, we seem to have a four-year cycle here, where everybody says, no, that's not like the last guy.
[01:15:25.490 --> 01:15:26.490]  The other guy was bad.
[01:15:26.650 --> 01:15:28.150]  And we're a new establishment.
[01:15:28.870 --> 01:15:31.970]  And that four-year cycle has been going on for 200 years.
[01:15:31.970 --> 01:15:33.510]  Oh, yeah, it's forever.
[01:15:34.090 --> 01:15:40.590]  And the problem is, now we're locked into a two-party system where we're either binary, either one or zero, depending on which way you're found.
[01:15:41.070 --> 01:15:44.390]  There's no such thing as an individual choice or a choice of the issues at hand.
[01:15:44.730 --> 01:15:50.190]  And the issues at hand have evolved considerably since 1776.
[01:15:51.070 --> 01:15:54.590]  I'm not saying reinterpret the Constitution, but there's a method for that.
[01:15:56.070 --> 01:15:57.110]  There's probably...
[01:15:57.790 --> 01:16:06.690]  He's mentioned this a few times when imperialists had about the notion of having some sort of material possession that's yours and you have to actually attack this.
[01:16:06.790 --> 01:16:08.430]  And that's a little bit of military law actually.
[01:16:09.210 --> 01:16:10.910]  And that's a little bit of a lot of shit.
[01:16:12.110 --> 01:16:14.270]  Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
[01:16:14.590 --> 01:16:16.190]  Why shouldn't that power be Israel?
[01:16:16.190 --> 01:16:17.410]  No, no, no, no, let me correct that.
[01:16:17.670 --> 01:16:22.210]  It was a shift of perspective of leaving, of living in the moment.
[01:16:24.130 --> 01:16:28.390]  I'm going to live in the fear of not having enough in the future.
[01:16:28.690 --> 01:16:33.170]  And I need to make sure that the future is the downfall, the beginning.
[01:16:33.890 --> 01:16:36.610]  And that's where we should be.
[01:16:39.370 --> 01:16:43.750]  During this rest period, Lou would like to sing some show tunes here.
[01:16:47.450 --> 01:16:49.250]  I don't sing and dance very well.
[01:16:49.450 --> 01:16:50.710]  Not even to save my life.
[01:16:51.970 --> 01:16:52.570]  I'm sorry.
[01:16:58.890 --> 01:17:02.690]  No, I think this is a cyclical thing where everybody has a short-term memory shit.
[01:17:02.830 --> 01:17:03.310]  And guess what?
[01:17:03.410 --> 01:17:06.210]  When somebody else sings up and says, God damn it, I'm different.
[01:17:06.870 --> 01:17:07.870]  I don't care how you're different.
[01:17:07.870 --> 01:17:09.630]  Like, this is a large...
[01:17:09.630 --> 01:17:10.990]  Like, you've even talked...
[01:17:10.990 --> 01:17:13.670]  You've mentioned a couple of times about, like, this sort of coming in their age.
[01:17:14.410 --> 01:17:15.790]  If you look at a lot of the...
[01:17:15.790 --> 01:17:16.690]  The sort of...
[01:17:17.670 --> 01:17:20.110]  Cultures like the Mayans, the Hopi's...
[01:17:20.890 --> 01:17:22.650]  They all have the same kind of story.
[01:17:22.670 --> 01:17:23.870]  If you guys want, you know...
[01:17:23.870 --> 01:17:27.030]  You can do, like, the mark of the beast on everybody that's here at 8 o'clock.
[01:17:28.950 --> 01:17:35.330]  I do believe technically it's 616 if you look into a little bit of history.
[01:17:35.330 --> 01:17:37.950]  No, I mean, I'll sign your foreheads.
[01:17:38.810 --> 01:17:39.630]  I'll go for that.
[01:17:40.050 --> 01:17:41.070]  Or whatever you want.
[01:17:41.510 --> 01:17:44.650]  But, no, I mean, really, I'm amazed that you guys hung out.
[01:17:44.750 --> 01:17:47.370]  But I'm kind of tickled pink that we made it to 8 hours.
[01:17:47.850 --> 01:17:58.170]  So I guess basically what I'm saying is, every four years you go through this cycle where people kind of forget what happened during the previous four years, and the administration walks in there and says, Oh, wait a minute here.
[01:17:58.650 --> 01:18:00.490]  We're a new administration.
[01:18:00.890 --> 01:18:01.170]  I know, I know.
[01:18:01.250 --> 01:18:09.410]  That's why I think, honest to God, the hack is to basically get the public to understand that they have to vote out every single incumbent.
[01:18:10.190 --> 01:18:12.350]  Do you think there's something wrong with the two-party system?
[01:18:12.550 --> 01:18:13.590]  And how do we fix that?
[01:18:13.810 --> 01:18:13.970]  Duh.
[01:18:17.270 --> 01:18:18.810]  It's a two-party tyranny.
[01:18:19.350 --> 01:18:23.190]  It represents fewer than 30% of the overall American public.
[01:18:24.890 --> 01:18:29.430]  It is absolutely one of the most corrupt systems on the planet.
[01:18:30.970 --> 01:18:33.110]  It's kind of soft, hidden corruption.
[01:18:34.590 --> 01:18:39.610]  And so, yes, I think we have to get rid of the Republican and Democratic parties.
[01:18:40.510 --> 01:18:45.510]  And I frankly, you know, I'd love to see Howard Dean or Sam Nunn.
[01:18:45.610 --> 01:18:52.430]  I'd love to see Sam Nunn get together with Lee Iacocca and create the American Party.
[01:18:52.670 --> 01:18:55.710]  So which one takes its place if we get rid of the two majors?
[01:18:55.710 --> 01:18:57.750]  Well, there are 63 others.
[01:18:59.290 --> 01:19:04.010]  Which, of course, never get heard on public TV or any sort of debate.
[01:19:04.610 --> 01:19:04.970]  Right, right.
[01:19:04.970 --> 01:19:14.770]  I mean, for me, I love... I don't know if it's true or not, but it's said that when Eisenhower came back from overseas, Marshall said... I mean, this is from a DVD enactment.
[01:19:14.930 --> 01:19:18.430]  So Marshall said, everyone's trying to get you to run for president.
[01:19:18.430 --> 01:19:20.310]  Where are you, a Democrat or Republican?
[01:19:20.310 --> 01:19:21.570]  And he said, I'm an American.
[01:19:21.570 --> 01:19:24.670]  And that's the only acceptable answer.
[01:19:25.730 --> 01:19:33.190]  So bottom line here is I think we need to dump politics and elect people and hold those people accountable to their constituencies.
[01:19:34.130 --> 01:19:37.570]  And they need to understand that we are on them like stink on shit.
[01:19:37.830 --> 01:19:41.230]  And we are all over them every single day.
[01:19:41.230 --> 01:19:46.790]  And any time they have a secret meeting, it is a big black mark that's on the front page.
[01:19:47.910 --> 01:19:48.650]  Yes, sir.
[01:19:48.650 --> 01:19:55.170]  Could you get your considered opinion about Goldman Sachs and financial capital and how they've gamed the system?
[01:19:55.390 --> 01:19:55.990]  Oh, well...
[01:19:55.990 --> 01:19:56.690]  For their benefit.
[01:19:57.210 --> 01:20:01.130]  My knowledge is strictly limited to open sources that I've read.
[01:20:01.490 --> 01:20:21.250]  But Goldman Sachs has gamed the system in part with high-speed trading, manipulating markets, lying to governments, and generally betraying the public trust in such a way that if I were God, they would lose their charter tomorrow and I'd bankrupt every single one of their executives.
[01:20:21.570 --> 01:20:23.530]  For how long has it gone on?
[01:20:24.310 --> 01:20:24.750]  Forever.
[01:20:25.130 --> 01:20:26.910]  But certainly the last 20, 30 years.
[01:20:26.910 --> 01:20:37.910]  And in fact, you can really trace all of this back to the Rothschilds introducing central banking and sponsoring the Civil War to basically get the North and the South to fight each other.
[01:20:39.150 --> 01:20:42.630]  This is really ugly shit and it's not taught in high school or college.
[01:20:44.650 --> 01:20:46.550]  Yes, sir, here up front and then we'll go to you.
[01:20:47.010 --> 01:20:47.450]  Okay.
[01:20:48.070 --> 01:20:54.970]  Do you think by giving more visibility to other parties would be enough to change the...
[01:20:54.970 --> 01:20:55.290]  No.
[01:20:57.250 --> 01:20:59.870]  In fact, I really don't like the party system at all.
[01:21:00.090 --> 01:21:01.490]  Because I think what we should be doing...
[01:21:01.490 --> 01:21:06.150]  Although the party system can, in theory, be used to organize people with like preferences.
[01:21:06.770 --> 01:21:10.550]  The Greens, for example, although they don't seem to know much about Green.
[01:21:12.130 --> 01:21:19.050]  But I think that what we really have to get to is participatory public budgeting.
[01:21:19.290 --> 01:21:24.430]  Which is to say the public has to be put in touch with reality and we have to put dollar signs on our choices.
[01:21:24.850 --> 01:21:38.190]  And we really have to understand what it means to be a citizen and to be a democratic polity in which every citizen has a stake in the truth and the integrity of every decision that's made.
[01:21:38.190 --> 01:21:45.090]  I mean, what we've been doing is making decisions based on ideological fantasy and special interest corruption.
[01:21:45.230 --> 01:21:49.770]  And we have not been making... we haven't been doing intelligence-driven democracy.
[01:21:51.170 --> 01:21:56.490]  So you're saying that people should vote more often about the budget or...?
[01:21:56.490 --> 01:22:01.970]  Yes, as a matter of fact, I would like to see almost every major issue put to a public ballot.
[01:22:03.290 --> 01:22:12.850]  And that's simple to do, particularly if you have libraries or actually the same voting stations that are there and cell phones.
[01:22:12.990 --> 01:22:19.930]  I mean, you could make cell phones be, you know, a form of authenticated personal preference.
[01:22:19.930 --> 01:22:27.450]  The bottom line here is we have abdicated our responsibility for being informed and influencing government.
[01:22:29.870 --> 01:22:30.690]  Yes, sir.
[01:22:32.530 --> 01:22:36.410]  Not too long ago, we tested a nuclear bomb and we discovered it worked.
[01:22:36.590 --> 01:22:40.390]  And then we immediately after that dropped two on another country.
[01:22:40.390 --> 01:22:47.250]  And then since then, the United States has tested more than a thousand and the rest of the world combined has also tested an additional thousand.
[01:22:47.970 --> 01:22:55.770]  How come materials and that technology hasn't fallen and been used outside of those initial two for war?
[01:22:55.850 --> 01:22:58.950]  Why has it only stayed in testing for the most part?
[01:23:00.250 --> 01:23:02.290]  I really don't know the answer to that.
[01:23:02.870 --> 01:23:29.150]  But I do believe that those who think that nuclear, basically nuclear, if you accept the thesis that war is a racket and that war is a way of looting populations, both the war making population and the war victim population, then nuclear was a wrong turn.
[01:23:29.910 --> 01:23:34.450]  Because nuclear, all of a sudden, was a lose-lose proposition.
[01:23:34.890 --> 01:23:40.170]  And so I think the powers that be said, oh shit, we made a mistake.
[01:23:40.550 --> 01:23:42.310]  We should never have gone nuclear.
[01:23:42.310 --> 01:23:51.390]  And I was in a Harvard class with other SCS's, including Ken Minahan, who was the head of NSA at one point.
[01:23:51.910 --> 01:23:55.030]  And we were play-acting congressional testimony.
[01:23:55.230 --> 01:24:02.290]  And someone playing-acting a senator said, so how can we be sure we will win the nuclear war?
[01:24:02.330 --> 01:24:07.230]  And the perfect class answer was from this one guy who said, Senator, there are no winners in a nuclear war.
[01:24:08.250 --> 01:24:10.190]  And I think that was the right answer.
[01:24:10.190 --> 01:24:14.970]  And I think the powers that be understand that, which is why low-intensity conflict became so popular.
[01:24:15.510 --> 01:24:17.830]  Because it's a proxy that can be managed.
[01:24:18.490 --> 01:24:20.790]  Nuclear war gets out of control too quick.
[01:24:21.050 --> 01:24:25.610]  Well, it's one thing for the powers that be to choose not to do it.
[01:24:25.650 --> 01:24:33.470]  But what about, like, just some irrational person going to a country where it's guarded by a barbed wire fence and one guard to just spirit away the materials?
[01:24:34.710 --> 01:24:36.690]  Is it just dumb luck that that's not happening?
[01:24:37.290 --> 01:24:39.330]  Or is it being actively being stopped?
[01:24:39.330 --> 01:24:40.870]  No, I don't know.
[01:24:41.150 --> 01:24:50.990]  I don't think it's actively being stopped except for the isolated, what do they call those, FBI operations, sting operations.
[01:24:55.780 --> 01:24:59.120]  There is so much money to be made in other ways.
[01:24:59.480 --> 01:25:02.690]  I just don't, I can't give you any speculative answer.
[01:25:02.690 --> 01:25:07.940]  So, it comes down to only an idiot would try to obtain it and idiots get caught?
[01:25:08.190 --> 01:25:14.360]  Well, I always loved the annual Darwin Award, such as the guy that sat in front of the microwave to be warm.
[01:25:14.360 --> 01:25:15.150]  You know?
[01:25:16.730 --> 01:25:18.580]  I mean, nuclear stuff.
[01:25:19.300 --> 01:25:22.150]  And one of the things we're worried about is radiological.
[01:25:22.730 --> 01:25:31.840]  Because you can contaminate, you know, an entire city block for a long time with radiological trash.
[01:25:34.160 --> 01:25:43.120]  I'm really concerned that Pandora is out of the box and the only thing keeping us safe is a modicum of legitimacy.
[01:25:43.660 --> 01:25:50.730]  And we're really, we're about to burst the legitimacy bubble, particularly in relation to the United States as it's perceived overseas.
[01:25:52.250 --> 01:25:57.770]  I would not want to be an American tourist traveling in a Muslim country anytime soon.
[01:25:58.110 --> 01:26:02.320]  Because there are just too many people that, that, huh?
[01:26:02.820 --> 01:26:06.540]  Well, they, they, you know, I mean, there's the America, the beautiful ideal.
[01:26:06.820 --> 01:26:08.440]  There's, there's the American public.
[01:26:08.820 --> 01:26:12.420]  And I think most people understand the American public is a big hearted public.
[01:26:12.650 --> 01:26:16.480]  But there are also fanatics who feel that any American is a target.
[01:26:16.660 --> 01:26:17.820]  And, you know, who knows?
[01:26:18.150 --> 01:26:20.230]  I don't have any answers, sir.
[01:26:20.950 --> 01:26:25.040]  So this, this is going to sound like a softball question, but it's, it's completely earnest.
[01:26:25.280 --> 01:26:29.110]  Um, because it's manifestly obvious that you read prodigiously.
[01:26:29.420 --> 01:26:32.110]  So, so there's only, there's only so many hours in a day.
[01:26:32.340 --> 01:26:33.730]  How do you choose what to read?
[01:26:34.300 --> 01:26:35.380]  That's a good question.
[01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:40.240]  Um, I used to, I used to buy books at airports.
[01:26:41.830 --> 01:26:46.690]  And, and I've been pleasantly surprised by how good the, the selection has been.
[01:26:46.690 --> 01:26:51.840]  But when I got hooked on Amazon, and, and that was an accident.
[01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:56.840]  I basically, my first book was just going to be an opinion piece.
[01:26:57.160 --> 01:26:59.920]  And then a couple of guys said, no, this is the reference work.
[01:26:59.920 --> 01:27:01.000]  You need to do an index.
[01:27:01.240 --> 01:27:06.230]  And they said, also, you need to do an annotated bibliography because you've read all the books.
[01:27:06.230 --> 01:27:08.860]  So, so I did one.
[01:27:08.980 --> 01:27:10.460]  And it was 150 entries.
[01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:12.080]  And then I did my second book.
[01:27:12.200 --> 01:27:13.520]  It was 150 entries.
[01:27:13.770 --> 01:27:15.540]  And then Amazon reviews opened up.
[01:27:15.620 --> 01:27:17.460]  So I loaded all 300 one weekend.
[01:27:17.650 --> 01:27:18.820]  Like April 4th something.
[01:27:19.230 --> 01:27:20.420]  April 4th, 2000.
[01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:25.840]  And I was instantly one of the top 1,500 people out of the 1,600 that were there.
[01:27:26.520 --> 01:27:29.840]  Um, and so I didn't really think much of it.
[01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:33.180]  But, but then I was invited to speak to a bunch of parliamentarians in Europe.
[01:27:33.200 --> 01:27:34.140]  And I was intimidated.
[01:27:34.500 --> 01:27:39.940]  So I read 50 books, um, and reviewed those as a way of keeping notes.
[01:27:40.240 --> 01:27:42.140]  And now I just kind of got in the habit.
[01:27:42.320 --> 01:27:46.840]  And, and since I had my own company and, you know, on a good year, it would make 1.7 million.
[01:27:46.860 --> 01:27:49.200]  It was nothing to spend 5,000 on books.
[01:27:49.780 --> 01:27:52.740]  Uh, so I would generally read two books a week, more or less.
[01:27:52.740 --> 01:28:00.120]  Um, and I, I have to say of, of those books, a third of them, I start with the index and, and work my way through the footnotes.
[01:28:00.180 --> 01:28:03.660]  A third of them, I really kind of read the book, but fairly quickly.
[01:28:03.660 --> 01:28:05.760]  And a third of them, I just scan over the book.
[01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:14.980]  And like, for instance, the, uh, the 2600 book and the, uh, the Emmanuel book, it took me less than an hour to kind of develop an appreciation for that book.
[01:28:15.100 --> 01:28:18.620]  And then publish something that would help other people say they've got to own it.
[01:28:18.620 --> 01:28:23.380]  So I certainly did not read every word in that book, but enough to do a good review.
[01:28:23.870 --> 01:28:30.960]  Um, so I think it's, uh, what?
[01:28:31.790 --> 01:28:32.480]  Keep going.
[01:28:33.680 --> 01:28:34.020]  Okay.
[01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:38.160]  Uh, was that a fart or, or a, uh, burp?
[01:28:38.160 --> 01:28:39.940]  I thought you were going to say what time it was.
[01:28:40.160 --> 01:28:40.860]  No, no, no, no.
[01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:42.540]  We've got, uh, 26 minutes.
[01:28:43.060 --> 01:28:43.440]  Thank you.
[01:28:44.120 --> 01:28:50.100]  Um, basically an average book I can read in four hours.
[01:28:50.540 --> 01:28:54.420]  So we're only talking, you know, two hours a night, four nights a week.
[01:28:54.740 --> 01:28:58.760]  Uh, and there was a time when I did a lot of traveling.
[01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:02.780]  I was a double goal card on American and United in 94 through 97.
[01:29:03.430 --> 01:29:08.200]  And so I would read books on airplanes and in hotels and, and, and stuff.
[01:29:08.900 --> 01:29:19.980]  Um, and now as for picking my books, uh, the Amazon feature that when you look at one book, it tells you what other people have looked at, what other people have bought.
[01:29:20.080 --> 01:29:21.200]  That's actually pretty good.
[01:29:21.970 --> 01:29:23.960]  Amazon recommendations do not work for me.
[01:29:24.280 --> 01:29:30.220]  Uh, but when I touch one book and that's the other thing, I generally read books in twos and threes.
[01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:37.440]  So for example, when I decided to look at climate, the acts of God and the weather makers and one other book.
[01:29:37.580 --> 01:29:39.300]  And so I read like three books at a time.
[01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:40.980]  Menopause for dummies.
[01:29:41.200 --> 01:29:43.040]  And then there were two other books on menopause.
[01:29:43.200 --> 01:29:43.400]  Okay.
[01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:46.220]  Uh, I actually wrote the memo on menopause.
[01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:55.200]  Uh, if you, uh, Google for a steel memorandum menopause, you'll get two pages of shit every man needs to know at the age of 30.
[01:29:58.160 --> 01:29:59.420]  Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
[01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:00.660]  What do we need to know?
[01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:02.660]  What do we need to know?
[01:30:03.600 --> 01:30:05.900]  You didn't get the, you didn't get the memo?
[01:30:08.020 --> 01:30:09.280]  That's RTFM probably.
[01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:10.160]  Oh, come on.
[01:30:10.340 --> 01:30:11.460]  We paid a lot to be here.
[01:30:11.460 --> 01:30:12.240]  Protect us.
[01:30:12.440 --> 01:30:16.240]  You didn't pay enough for me to spend eight hours being tortured by you guys.
[01:30:16.500 --> 01:30:19.720]  But, uh, no, I can't remember what the memo says.
[01:30:19.720 --> 01:30:23.300]  I, I just remember that I didn't get it in time to save my marriage.
[01:30:23.860 --> 01:30:26.500]  So, uh, you know, but it's useful information.
[01:30:26.900 --> 01:30:31.280]  And, and you should, uh, you should, uh, read that memo.
[01:30:31.620 --> 01:30:34.700]  Okay, I have two questions, a short one and a long one.
[01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:35.040]  Okay.
[01:30:35.220 --> 01:30:38.560]  The short question, uh, among books, have you read the works of Sun Wu?
[01:30:39.260 --> 01:30:39.700]  No.
[01:30:40.750 --> 01:30:45.360]  Okay, he created a, uh, book about 2,000 years ago, The Art of War.
[01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:47.000]  Oh, Sun Tzu, yeah.
[01:30:47.080 --> 01:30:48.280]  Sun Tzu, Sun Wu.
[01:30:48.280 --> 01:30:48.820]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:30:49.120 --> 01:30:50.360]  Um, tomatoes, tomatoes.
[01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:52.280]  The long question is this.
[01:30:52.420 --> 01:31:07.460]  Imagine a world for a moment or a nation where direct democracy does take root, prospers, flowers, blossoms, and everybody runs the country through managers like congressmen, mayors, councilmen, and such.
[01:31:08.020 --> 01:31:23.140]  How would you, if you were put in charge of the nation's spy networks and such, how would you protect the country in an open source, open democracy manner, adhering to the words of Sun Wu to protect our country?
[01:31:24.210 --> 01:31:24.840]  Sun Tzu.
[01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:30.340]  Well, I mean, uh, the most important thing he said was the acme of skill is to defeat the enemy without fighting.
[01:31:30.480 --> 01:31:32.340]  And what that really means is don't have enemies.
[01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:39.900]  Um, I mean, the American government has done everything possible to piss off just about everybody on the planet.
[01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:43.100]  Um, and that's just plain ass stupid.
[01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:52.580]  Uh, we've also then gone on to do everything we can to arm everybody on the planet, including the Taliban, including the Shiites and everybody else.
[01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:58.300]  Uh, and then we've gone on to basically dumb down our population and disarm our population.
[01:31:58.300 --> 01:32:07.060]  Um, so for me, what it boils down to, and I coined this term in the 1990s, is cast a wide net.
[01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:10.740]  You absolutely have to pay attention to everything all the time.
[01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:17.360]  And we didn't get a chance to talk about fourth generation warfare, but I've done some slides that go all the way up to the seventh generation.
[01:32:17.660 --> 01:32:25.480]  And, and I've written a book and a monograph that's called information operations, all information, all languages, all the time.
[01:32:25.480 --> 01:32:32.620]  Uh, basically the best way to protect the nation is to educate the citizenry and turn every citizen into an intelligence professional.
[01:32:33.060 --> 01:32:44.460]  Someone who consumes and produces and collects intelligence or actually information that can be converted into intelligence as and when needed.
[01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:47.720]  I mean, it's Neil Stevenson's Snow Crash is a great little book.
[01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:47.960]  Great.
[01:32:48.460 --> 01:32:55.360]  Um, and, and what he didn't understand was that combining CIA and the Library of Congress was the worst of all possible worlds.
[01:32:56.040 --> 01:32:59.520]  Uh, because you know, one is dumb and the other one is totally messed up.
[01:32:59.700 --> 01:33:00.500]  Free printing.
[01:33:01.080 --> 01:33:01.760]  What's that?
[01:33:01.940 --> 01:33:05.080]  Free printing was the other concept of that book, which was amazing.
[01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:06.160]  Hmm.
[01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:11.140]  Um, so for me, I really believe in non-zero.
[01:33:11.360 --> 01:33:17.360]  I really believe that if we're going to get out of this mess, we have to become a smart nation.
[01:33:17.360 --> 01:33:19.360]  I wrote a book called The Smart Nation Act.
[01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:22.400]  Uh, Public Intelligence and the Public Interest.
[01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:26.740]  And I've defined how I would legislate a smart nation.
[01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:31.720]  And what it boils down to is the priority goes to legal, ethical understanding.
[01:33:31.980 --> 01:33:37.860]  And the priority goes to educating citizens so that they are, in fact, the brain housing group for the government.
[01:33:38.580 --> 01:33:44.660]  Uh, we should never, ever have allowed staffers and political appointees to become the thinkers in our government.
[01:33:44.660 --> 01:33:47.760]  Because that's not what they do, uh, very well.
[01:33:51.070 --> 01:33:59.930]  Um, if, if you go back in time to like when democracy first came to fruition, you, you basically had a, a, a caste system.
[01:34:00.150 --> 01:34:05.450]  Where you had a, a group of people that sat around in a forum debating whatever they needed to debate.
[01:34:06.010 --> 01:34:13.170]  And then you had basically an entire population of those with no rights tending the fields and supporting, you know, those people.
[01:34:13.170 --> 01:34:17.050]  The, the right for them to sit there and debate the wealthy landowners or whatever they happen to be.
[01:34:17.590 --> 01:34:26.750]  How do you, how do you create a society where, you know, the world needs ditch diggers and people who can pump gas and make sandwiches.
[01:34:27.310 --> 01:34:30.070]  And, you know, everyone deserves to have their cup of knowledge filled.
[01:34:30.250 --> 01:34:34.170]  But some people have very large cups and some people have tiny thimbles.
[01:34:34.170 --> 01:34:35.410]  So, how does that work?
[01:34:36.850 --> 01:34:46.590]  Uh, going, going back to Durant, one of the things he says in, in the lessons of history is that the only revolution that is sustainable is the revolution in the mind of man.
[01:34:47.070 --> 01:34:53.590]  And one of the things I really believe is that, and, and I have certainly not been a good practitioner.
[01:34:53.590 --> 01:34:58.350]  Uh, I have been arrogant and I have been angry and I have been disdainful.
[01:34:58.670 --> 01:35:05.390]  Uh, but the bottom line is everybody deserves dignity and everybody has a point of view that deserves to be heard.
[01:35:05.830 --> 01:35:14.790]  And when we reach the point where we can listen to everybody and come together and decide something without killing each other, that's when we will have become a conscious civilization.
[01:35:14.790 --> 01:35:21.130]  And, and I'm not sure we're that far from that, but I'm also not sure we'll reach that in my lifetime.
[01:35:21.430 --> 01:35:23.890]  Uh, but we are definitely moving in that direction.
[01:35:24.290 --> 01:35:26.830]  And then just back to, uh, you say you read a lot.
[01:35:27.150 --> 01:35:32.730]  Are there, are there any, like, things that you recommend that everyone should read?
[01:35:33.090 --> 01:35:33.870]  My reviews.
[01:35:36.110 --> 01:35:36.830]  I'm serious.
[01:35:37.030 --> 01:35:40.590]  I mean, you should never buy a book without checking to see if I've reviewed it.
[01:35:40.970 --> 01:35:41.810]  And, and...
[01:35:41.810 --> 01:35:42.830]  No, I'm serious.
[01:35:42.830 --> 01:35:47.590]  And, and then my advice is to read 20 of my reviews for every book that you buy.
[01:35:48.010 --> 01:35:49.730]  Uh, and that'll save you a lot of money.
[01:35:50.470 --> 01:35:56.790]  Um, a, a comment on the last question about how to, um, I guess, give everyone that, that sustainable world.
[01:35:56.970 --> 01:36:00.030]  Um, the Dacha movement in Russia is a good example.
[01:36:00.250 --> 01:36:06.050]  Uh, where the Russian government basically said, anybody who wants land that's a Russian citizen can have a chunk of land.
[01:36:06.250 --> 01:36:07.770]  And you can do whatever you want with it.
[01:36:08.150 --> 01:36:09.150]  Um, you can't sell it.
[01:36:09.210 --> 01:36:11.310]  You can't make money from that, but you can live on it.
[01:36:11.310 --> 01:36:12.930]  And that can be your family's kin's domain.
[01:36:13.230 --> 01:36:18.050]  And, um, and there's some really interesting results that I think we could all really benefit if we take a look at that system.
[01:36:18.490 --> 01:36:19.430]  That's interesting.
[01:36:19.550 --> 01:36:34.330]  The other thing I've been reading about recently is multi-generational trusts, uh, that leverage compound interest, uh, to avoid, uh, the, the inheriting generation from diminishing the trust and, and using up the inheritance.
[01:36:34.330 --> 01:36:44.970]  Um, we've, we really, I think we've really failed to leverage our knowledge, um, to create a world that works for all.
[01:36:45.130 --> 01:36:55.030]  And, and I really, I mean, I'm not particularly inclined to say reincarnation is, is a fact, but I think there's some interesting ideas there.
[01:36:55.030 --> 01:37:04.230]  And I feel Buckminster Fuller every time I think, uh, because he said that our task was to make a world that works for all using technology and resources that exist today.
[01:37:04.650 --> 01:37:06.050]  And I think we can do that.
[01:37:06.510 --> 01:37:09.390]  I think we can do that, but we're just wasting too much.
[01:37:09.390 --> 01:37:11.890]  We're just, we're just killing ourselves.
[01:37:13.930 --> 01:37:18.770]  So, uh, as a Canadian from, uh, Toronto, which is...
[01:37:18.770 --> 01:37:19.490]  I'm not sure you're a Canadian.
[01:37:19.690 --> 01:37:22.070]  I think he's an FBI guy pretending to be a Canadian.
[01:37:22.370 --> 01:37:22.390]  Totally.
[01:37:22.390 --> 01:37:25.710]  I, uh, the gun's hidden, but I'll shoot in the ceiling later.
[01:37:26.390 --> 01:37:33.610]  Um, I come from a city that's under a ton of, uh, reconfiguration, uh, cranes everywhere.
[01:37:33.610 --> 01:37:39.350]  Uh, this city currently, um, for me, seems like it's a, it's a melting, dying city.
[01:37:39.550 --> 01:37:41.770]  And when I go to Buffalo, it's, it's the same thing.
[01:37:41.930 --> 01:37:48.530]  It's, it's, uh, it seems like we're end, we're at the end of, at least for those two cities, they're, they're city state possibilities.
[01:37:49.150 --> 01:37:54.650]  And, um, the person who I love is also coming, uh, I go to Detroit every, every year also.
[01:37:55.010 --> 01:37:59.310]  And the person I love is from Michigan in, in north of Flint.
[01:37:59.310 --> 01:38:06.090]  And it's, we're at these big, beautiful cities that have massive steel structures that are all just slowly melting.
[01:38:06.270 --> 01:38:10.390]  And if you're in a room at the Hotel Penn, you know, it's, it's, it's a melting room.
[01:38:10.510 --> 01:38:12.950]  That's in 10 years, it's just going to be swamp.
[01:38:13.870 --> 01:38:19.510]  Um, where, where do large cities fit into the future?
[01:38:20.790 --> 01:38:29.610]  Well, I'm, I'm certainly not the original thinker on this, but I've seen some very interesting suggestions that we turn, uh, all these office buildings into condos.
[01:38:30.090 --> 01:38:38.050]  Um, and basically, uh, create cities where people live and work, uh, in the same building.
[01:38:38.390 --> 01:38:41.290]  And, and, uh, we green all these buildings.
[01:38:41.510 --> 01:38:52.650]  And, and some of these cities maybe need to be, be abandoned or, or there's actually a lot of literature on how we need to tear up all these strip malls and, and, uh, put all that concrete into landfill.
[01:38:52.650 --> 01:38:58.150]  And, uh, and basically restore the whole concept of local sustainable agriculture.
[01:38:58.690 --> 01:38:59.190]  Permaculture.
[01:38:59.490 --> 01:38:59.690]  Yeah.
[01:38:59.850 --> 01:39:01.310]  Also deep root farming.
[01:39:01.470 --> 01:39:04.450]  Alan Yeoman's written a wonderful book called priority one.
[01:39:04.870 --> 01:39:10.730]  Um, I don't have all the answers, but I think there are a whole bunch of things we need to stop doing.
[01:39:10.910 --> 01:39:12.130]  And that's a starting point.
[01:39:12.790 --> 01:39:13.490]  Yes, sir.
[01:39:15.950 --> 01:39:16.770]  No, no.
[01:39:16.910 --> 01:39:18.370]  Can we turn on this mic up front?
[01:39:20.570 --> 01:39:21.070]  Okay.
[01:39:21.790 --> 01:39:22.290]  Yeah.
[01:39:22.290 --> 01:39:23.810]  Just go on back to that one, please.
[01:39:26.390 --> 01:39:33.350]  Um, do you, uh, have any input on like, uh, intentional communities or do you know what those are?
[01:39:33.810 --> 01:39:34.430]  Uh, no.
[01:39:34.550 --> 01:39:37.290]  I'm assuming that they're an upgraded form of commune.
[01:39:37.290 --> 01:39:37.810]  Yeah, basically.
[01:39:38.310 --> 01:39:38.570]  Yeah.
[01:39:38.730 --> 01:39:39.270]  No, I don't.
[01:39:39.370 --> 01:39:41.210]  But I mean, Tom Attlee lives in one.
[01:39:41.610 --> 01:39:46.910]  Um, and, and again, I, I come back to this whole thing that we've, we've destroyed humanity.
[01:39:46.910 --> 01:40:03.050]  Uh, Lionel Tiger did a wonderful book called The Manufacture of Evil in which he basically talked about how the movement away from kinship and cottage industries toward manufacturing that turned people into commodities basically destroyed the single most important thing in the hidden wealth of nations,
[01:40:03.250 --> 01:40:05.570]  which is trust and, and relationships.
[01:40:09.340 --> 01:40:16.360]  Overall, intentional communities, um, are, are sort of failing, but for the same reasons that everything else is failing.
[01:40:16.620 --> 01:40:22.700]  So they can provide an answer, um, with the same shifts of consciousness that we, we're, we've been talking about.
[01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:25.160]  But there are some intentional communities that are doing well.
[01:40:25.160 --> 01:40:28.020]  And they're similar to the Dutch movement and all those sorts of things.
[01:40:28.160 --> 01:40:28.440]  Mm-hm.
[01:40:28.440 --> 01:40:31.140]  But exactly what you were talking about with kin's domains and that kind of stuff.
[01:40:31.500 --> 01:40:31.600]  Mm-hm.
[01:40:31.900 --> 01:40:33.580]  I can tell I'm wearing you guys down.
[01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:37.900]  I think we can do like three more questions and make our eight o'clock thing here.
[01:40:37.940 --> 01:40:38.640]  One time we've heard that.
[01:40:39.980 --> 01:40:53.780]  See, I, I was saying let's actually keep this rolling because, um, one, there, there seems to be an essential conflict here because on the one, on the one hand, um, technology's an essential part of creating wealth and creating prosperity for everyone as we've agreed.
[01:40:53.780 --> 01:41:02.180]  But on the other hand, um, most or all of the high technology that we benefit from today is produced by an industrialized economy.
[01:41:02.420 --> 01:41:11.860]  So how does that square with, with restoring, um, trust and community to, as they were before industrialization essentially destroyed them?
[01:41:13.440 --> 01:41:16.160]  Well, there, there's, let me answer that on multiple levels.
[01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:25.000]  The first is, I mean, we're completely unaware, most of us, of the, of the, uh, high-tech trash and the, the toxins and, and so forth.
[01:41:25.340 --> 01:41:30.440]  I think we need, we really need to understand the true cost and, and true contents of everything.
[01:41:31.120 --> 01:41:38.020]  Uh, second, I think that we really have failed to focus on connecting humanity.
[01:41:38.020 --> 01:41:43.260]  And, I mean, I see the day when every individual has an embedded cell phone.
[01:41:43.460 --> 01:41:48.320]  Um, that is also a memory aid, a recorder, you know, the whole bit.
[01:41:48.960 --> 01:41:57.280]  Uh, and, uh, at Hackers in Silicon Valley, over 15 years ago, we talked about how human reputation was going to be the commodity of the future.
[01:41:57.280 --> 01:42:07.840]  Um, and that individuals who basically established karma points on X, um, were, were turned to and rewarded and, and looked to.
[01:42:08.600 --> 01:42:13.480]  Um, again, technology, the problem is that there's two kinds of technologies.
[01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:24.800]  There's, there's information communications technologies, which Michael O'Hanlon has pointed out as the only revolutionary technology out of all of the technologies that the Department of Defense is developing.
[01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:26.880]  Energy doesn't even come close.
[01:42:27.620 --> 01:42:36.540]  And, second, there are technologies that we should question, such as air conditioning entire cities.
[01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:46.940]  Uh, rather than using a simple Buckminster Fuller construct, which if you have the, the bottom of the tent open and you have the tube at the top, it chills it to like 15 degrees.
[01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:48.340]  Um...
[01:42:48.340 --> 01:42:49.700]  X-rays and cat scales.
[01:42:49.940 --> 01:42:50.560]  What's that?
[01:42:50.720 --> 01:42:52.200]  X-rays and cat scales.
[01:42:52.840 --> 01:42:53.280]  Yeah.
[01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:56.760]  I mean, all of this is, is we need to be much more conscious.
[01:42:57.060 --> 01:43:07.860]  And I, I, I think the core comment on technology is we really need to understand all of the, all of the implications of that technology.
[01:43:08.480 --> 01:43:13.420]  Um, so, I, I don't, I don't see a conflict as much as I see a challenge.
[01:43:21.090 --> 01:43:33.710]  Um, he's a good guy, and I've reviewed his book, The Singularity, but anybody that does 245 whatever's a day and tests his blood twice a day is absolutely a super geek.
[01:43:33.930 --> 01:43:35.570]  It's, it's like 400, I think.
[01:43:35.570 --> 01:43:36.830]  Well, it's up to 400.
[01:43:36.830 --> 01:43:38.250]  In the book it talks about 200.
[01:43:38.510 --> 01:43:42.050]  But, but you know, I mean, eh, that's obsession.
[01:43:43.510 --> 01:43:44.130]  Yes, sir.
[01:43:46.170 --> 01:43:48.110]  I'm not, the mic's not on, apparently.
[01:43:50.110 --> 01:43:50.550]  Okay.
[01:43:51.330 --> 01:43:52.530]  Ha, ha, ha, ha.
[01:43:56.930 --> 01:44:05.830]  All right, everybody come up front and hold hands, and we'll sing Kumbaya, and that'll close the day in a perfect, perfect fashion.
[01:44:07.550 --> 01:44:08.270]  Yes, sir.
[01:44:08.550 --> 01:44:09.190]  A woman
[01:44:36.500 --> 01:44:37.980]  actually comes from this box.
[01:44:38.480 --> 01:44:38.540]  Right.
[01:44:38.920 --> 01:44:41.580]  Like, it's called the rest of the universe.
[01:44:42.220 --> 01:44:43.020]  What's left?
[01:44:43.200 --> 01:44:45.660]  Like, what's left for people to fight over and argue about?
[01:44:45.760 --> 01:44:51.040]  Like, if, if technology gets to the point where everyone wants for nothing, then, uh...
[01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:58.880]  Yeah, I mean, philosophers foresaw this many years ago, and, and, and they foresaw the challenge of using our leisure time.
[01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:14.840]  Uh, and I don't have the exact quote, but I, I have seen it often in, in depictions of Benjamin Franklin and talking about how his generation had to do the military arts so that the next generation could do mathematics, so that the next generation could do,
[01:45:14.920 --> 01:45:17.320]  um, uh, you know, humanities.
[01:45:17.440 --> 01:45:18.960]  Eventually, he ended up with poetry.
[01:45:19.240 --> 01:45:25.440]  Uh, but the whole point here is the one inexhaustible resource we have is the human brain.
[01:45:25.440 --> 01:45:40.020]  And, um, I think that, um, I don't think we're ever going to be out of challenges, particularly if we do try and, uh, look to outer space and the cosmos and all of that.
[01:45:40.260 --> 01:45:41.820]  Uh, there's also inner space.
[01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:43.960]  We haven't even begun to explore the sea.
[01:45:44.220 --> 01:45:47.840]  Uh, we haven't begun to explore the under-terrain stuff.
[01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:51.480]  So, uh, I would be thrilled if we got to energy.
[01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:57.220]  And there are people that say that we have extraterrestrial technologies that solve the energy problem that we're keeping under wraps.
[01:45:57.620 --> 01:46:03.200]  We also have, uh, paints that are indestructible and engines that will run, you know, on, on water.
[01:46:03.540 --> 01:46:14.060]  Uh, I mean, it's just amazing to me that we have allowed capitalism to really pervert the whole idea of common property and shared interests.
[01:46:14.060 --> 01:46:21.100]  Um, and so I think what we really need to do is, is, uh, take a close look at all of our conventions.
[01:46:21.140 --> 01:46:23.660]  Because I think many of our conventions are out of date.
[01:46:29.270 --> 01:46:34.890]  Um, it was, like, five hours ago, you, uh, they
[01:46:40.970 --> 01:46:42.250]  were just in a forest.
[01:46:42.510 --> 01:46:44.170]  What do you think about microcredits?
[01:46:44.310 --> 01:46:45.210]  And how...
[01:46:46.830 --> 01:46:49.370]  Well, I, I, the question is about microcredits.
[01:46:49.370 --> 01:46:58.490]  I think micro everything is very cool, uh, especially if you can reduce the transaction cost, uh, to almost nothing like an SMS message.
[01:46:58.650 --> 01:46:58.970]  Yes, sir.
[01:46:59.050 --> 01:47:01.010]  Is there anything you write on any books you recommend?
[01:47:01.890 --> 01:47:03.070]  Uh, no.
[01:47:03.390 --> 01:47:16.250]  I, I have not written in that area, but, but my book for $10, which is still available in about six copies outside, um, is, uh, is, uh, does talk about a global range of gifts table.
[01:47:16.490 --> 01:47:25.550]  And the whole idea there is to connect individuals, uh, at the item level, at the fly swatter level, um, and cut out the intermediaries.
[01:47:25.610 --> 01:47:26.410]  Which book is that?
[01:47:26.710 --> 01:47:33.350]  Uh, that's Intelligence for Earth, uh, Clarity, uh, Diversity, Integrity, and Sustainability.
[01:47:33.490 --> 01:47:34.470]  That's a $10 book.
[01:47:35.130 --> 01:47:37.230]  Is it slow money?
[01:47:37.450 --> 01:47:37.930]  Yes.
[01:47:38.250 --> 01:47:40.230]  Slow money, slow food, slow everything.
[01:47:40.650 --> 01:47:41.650]  I mean, that's, that's good.
[01:47:41.650 --> 01:47:48.290]  It would be very hard for me to adjust, but, but, uh, Vermont's got a lot of, uh, people with a lot of common sense.
[01:47:49.930 --> 01:47:50.450]  Yes, sir.
[01:47:51.010 --> 01:47:51.950]  So, it's almost eight o'clock.
[01:47:52.290 --> 01:47:53.890]  I just want to appreciate your time.
[01:47:54.190 --> 01:47:54.910]  Oh, now, wait a minute.
[01:47:55.050 --> 01:47:56.270]  We got seven minutes to go.
[01:47:56.490 --> 01:47:57.950]  Well, no, it's all done, but thank you.
[01:47:58.330 --> 01:47:59.690]  Yeah, we got a mic here right here.
[01:47:59.730 --> 01:48:02.990]  Do we want to spend the seven minutes kind of self-identifying?
[01:48:03.930 --> 01:48:05.050]  I just want to say thank you.
[01:48:05.130 --> 01:48:05.470]  That's it.
[01:48:05.770 --> 01:48:06.090]  Okay.
[01:48:06.610 --> 01:48:08.410]  Do you guys want to tell me who the hell you are?
[01:48:08.410 --> 01:48:12.870]  Uh, I will send you an email in the next couple days for sure.
[01:48:13.050 --> 01:48:13.490]  Okay.
[01:48:14.610 --> 01:48:16.070]  Um, I mean, who's in the room?
[01:48:17.930 --> 01:48:20.670]  Before we do that, could you talk about open source warfare?
[01:48:21.170 --> 01:48:22.950]  Uh, open source warfare.
[01:48:23.210 --> 01:48:24.010]  John Robb's work.
[01:48:24.150 --> 01:48:24.490]  Yeah, that one.
[01:48:25.510 --> 01:48:27.270]  Well, I'm not a software guy.
[01:48:28.390 --> 01:48:31.390]  So, I'm not doing anything in open source warfare.
[01:48:32.170 --> 01:48:33.410]  What are you thinking about?
[01:48:34.330 --> 01:48:36.270]  Uh, there's a website called Mobile Gorillas.
[01:48:36.270 --> 01:48:38.150]  If you need a mic, this is working now.
[01:48:38.230 --> 01:48:38.590]  If you need a mic.
[01:48:38.770 --> 01:48:39.210]  Okay.
[01:48:39.730 --> 01:48:40.530]  Global Gorillas.
[01:48:41.050 --> 01:48:41.570]  For what?
[01:48:42.070 --> 01:48:43.790]  For finding information?
[01:48:44.090 --> 01:48:47.150]  He has a book called Brave New War, which, uh...
[01:48:47.150 --> 01:48:48.030]  Haven't read it.
[01:48:50.210 --> 01:48:50.650]  Um...
[01:48:50.650 --> 01:48:53.270]  You know, one of the things that's really distressed me...
[01:48:53.890 --> 01:48:58.290]  I mean, when I first started this, open source intelligence wasn't even in Google.
[01:48:58.290 --> 01:49:04.830]  Uh, and now, of course, it's millions and millions of hits, of which I own at least 30,000.
[01:49:06.010 --> 01:49:06.570]  Um...
[01:49:07.370 --> 01:49:07.930]  But...
[01:49:07.930 --> 01:49:16.330]  So many people have been so quick to pick up on... on terms like information operations and cyber war and all of this.
[01:49:16.330 --> 01:49:30.110]  And they build multi-billion dollar budgets around it and they do what SRA calls virtual engineering, which is code for lie like a motherf*cker in your briefings and then get money and fake it.
[01:49:31.230 --> 01:49:31.570]  Um...
[01:49:31.910 --> 01:49:40.190]  And, uh, it's distressing how many people are touting themselves as open source intelligence, you know, this and that and so forth.
[01:49:41.510 --> 01:49:42.010]  Um...
[01:49:42.010 --> 01:49:48.330]  I think one of the comments that I would end with is that the intelligence process consists of requirements definition.
[01:49:48.770 --> 01:49:51.030]  You have to know what you need to know and why.
[01:49:51.930 --> 01:49:52.930]  Collection management.
[01:49:53.110 --> 01:49:55.750]  You have to know who knows and how to go get it.
[01:49:56.470 --> 01:49:56.970]  Uh...
[01:49:56.970 --> 01:49:58.250]  Source discovery and validation.
[01:49:58.570 --> 01:49:59.470]  I mean, uh...
[01:49:59.470 --> 01:50:03.170]  A source should be like an artwork where you know the provenance of that source.
[01:50:03.330 --> 01:50:06.330]  You know the biases and the personalities and so forth.
[01:50:06.790 --> 01:50:08.250]  Multi-source fusion.
[01:50:09.190 --> 01:50:10.270]  Compelling presentation.
[01:50:10.590 --> 01:50:11.970]  Timely actionable delivery.
[01:50:13.090 --> 01:50:13.630]  Uh...
[01:50:13.630 --> 01:50:15.630]  This is a process that is not secret.
[01:50:16.090 --> 01:50:24.430]  And the problem that we have right now is most people are not doing rigorous intelligence process and most people are not doing rigorous source discovery and integration.
[01:50:24.790 --> 01:50:28.430]  They're basically doing fly-by-night, you know, quick-as-you-can stuff.
[01:50:28.930 --> 01:50:29.230]  Uh...
[01:50:29.230 --> 01:50:30.150]  And so they're missing a lot.
[01:50:30.270 --> 01:50:33.030]  And most people are not working in more than one language.
[01:50:33.030 --> 01:50:44.650]  And so when you go look at the view of the Spratly Islands, I mean, my vision is I want to see the Philippine, Vietnamese, Chinese, and Australian views on any different issue on one screen.
[01:50:46.450 --> 01:50:47.050]  All right.
[01:50:47.230 --> 01:51:00.630]  Just going back to what you were saying before in reference to greed and things being suppressed and all that, you have another example of that, which apparently is accurate from what I could determine is back as far back as the 60s, they had figured out,
[01:51:00.730 --> 01:51:04.030]  of all things, a dental decay vaccine.
[01:51:04.030 --> 01:51:04.590]  Mm-hmm.
[01:51:04.710 --> 01:51:06.750]  That pretty much would stop it before it even started.
[01:51:07.650 --> 01:51:07.970]  It was...
[01:51:07.970 --> 01:51:10.830]  There were college professors who were talking about it and other things.
[01:51:10.830 --> 01:51:11.610]  It was known.
[01:51:11.810 --> 01:51:12.590]  It was documented.
[01:51:12.970 --> 01:51:18.050]  And it got totally squashed because it would pretty much kill a hell of a lot of business for dentists.
[01:51:18.490 --> 01:51:19.870]  And you never heard about it after that.
[01:51:19.990 --> 01:51:22.970]  Another example of greed that you were talking about before, like with the paints and whatever.
[01:51:23.490 --> 01:51:26.710]  Well, let me take that because it really raises two points.
[01:51:26.710 --> 01:51:36.750]  The first is that the whole issue of fluoride and water.
[01:51:36.950 --> 01:51:37.470]  Scam.
[01:51:37.630 --> 01:51:37.930]  Yeah.
[01:51:38.230 --> 01:51:43.010]  I didn't realize that, but it's like an aluminum waste product.
[01:51:43.250 --> 01:51:43.450]  Yeah.
[01:51:43.590 --> 01:51:43.890]  Aluminum.
[01:51:44.190 --> 01:51:44.230]  Right.
[01:51:45.070 --> 01:51:45.450]  And...
[01:51:45.450 --> 01:51:46.450]  Okay.
[01:51:46.850 --> 01:51:49.710]  And so, you know, why haven't we figured this out?
[01:51:49.810 --> 01:51:50.390]  That's number one.
[01:51:50.390 --> 01:52:01.170]  Number two, the tomato growers just were up in arms over efforts to control the amount of illegal immigration that they were exercising.
[01:52:01.530 --> 01:52:07.330]  But eventually, they developed tomatoes that could be processed by machines and everybody advanced.
[01:52:07.630 --> 01:52:08.190]  Yeah, that's right.
[01:52:08.470 --> 01:52:09.210]  Yeah.
[01:52:09.490 --> 01:52:19.350]  And so, I think we really underestimate the adaptability of individuals and we underestimate the adaptability of society.
[01:52:19.350 --> 01:52:30.210]  And I mean, Machiavelli had it right, although there's much about Machiavelli I don't like, when he said that the people who are touting new methods have no supporters.
[01:52:30.830 --> 01:52:34.890]  Whereas the people who are beholden to old methods have all the supporters.
[01:52:35.230 --> 01:52:39.470]  And so, it really is a crisis that is needed.
[01:52:39.710 --> 01:52:44.190]  And that's why the Chinese revolution for crisis is also, I think, a symbol for revolution.
[01:52:44.190 --> 01:52:45.530]  I mean, for opportunity.
[01:52:46.950 --> 01:52:48.510]  So, I don't know.
[01:52:48.730 --> 01:52:49.990]  I've got this...
[01:52:49.990 --> 01:52:51.230]  Oh, I know what I can do.
[01:52:51.410 --> 01:52:53.130]  I've got one of these for everybody in the room.
[01:52:53.650 --> 01:52:54.130]  Okay?
[01:52:54.350 --> 01:52:55.310]  If you don't have them.
[01:52:55.810 --> 01:52:56.030]  Yeah.
[01:52:56.950 --> 01:52:59.510]  It's a membership card in Phi Beta Iota.
[01:53:00.670 --> 01:53:01.150]  Cool.
[01:53:01.530 --> 01:53:05.830]  And the 12 principles from the Santayana Institute are on the back.
[01:53:06.370 --> 01:53:08.870]  And the first one is motivation based on love.
[01:53:08.870 --> 01:53:11.590]  And I've worked my way up to number two, which is really important.
[01:53:11.790 --> 01:53:13.090]  Non-attachment to outcome.
[01:53:14.330 --> 01:53:18.370]  I really think that no matter what happens, it's gonna be okay.
[01:53:19.190 --> 01:53:20.510]  And we're gonna figure it out.
[01:53:20.850 --> 01:53:24.010]  And I would bet on humanity every single time.
[01:53:24.530 --> 01:53:26.350]  Incidentally, actually, you're talking about fluoride.
[01:53:26.450 --> 01:53:28.110]  It's actually even worse than you may realize.
[01:53:28.290 --> 01:53:37.350]  Because first of all, when they've done studies in other countries where it's naturally in the water, compared to a town there where it wasn't, they found little of any difference in dental decay, ultimately.
[01:53:37.650 --> 01:53:38.050]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:53:38.050 --> 01:53:38.590]  That's one.
[01:53:38.770 --> 01:53:39.530]  And it gets worse.
[01:53:40.790 --> 01:53:47.050]  Because one bad thing about fluoride is that your bones and teeth tend to take it up instead of some of the calcium, which belongs there.
[01:53:47.490 --> 01:53:49.990]  Now, fluoride is harder, but it's more brittle.
[01:53:50.350 --> 01:53:57.810]  So even if there was a slight improvement in decay, which there really isn't, you end up with teeth and bones that break easier.
[01:53:58.270 --> 01:53:58.390]  Huh.
[01:53:58.590 --> 01:54:00.210]  This has been pretty much...
[01:54:00.210 --> 01:54:01.210]  That's called osteoporosis.
[01:54:01.950 --> 01:54:02.090]  No.
[01:54:03.130 --> 01:54:04.210]  I'm saying osteoporosis.
[01:54:04.890 --> 01:54:05.210]  Well, yeah.
[01:54:05.210 --> 01:54:06.370]  You're calling it osteoporosis.
[01:54:06.490 --> 01:54:06.590]  Yes.
[01:54:06.690 --> 01:54:07.510]  That's probably part of it.
[01:54:07.730 --> 01:54:08.350]  Good point.
[01:54:08.570 --> 01:54:08.890]  Good point.
[01:54:08.930 --> 01:54:09.510]  Probably part of it.
[01:54:09.730 --> 01:54:11.290]  It's definitely nasty business.
[01:54:11.450 --> 01:54:12.310]  It's highly toxic.
[01:54:12.470 --> 01:54:13.310]  Not in all those that they use.
[01:54:13.510 --> 01:54:17.230]  And the sad point, if there is any benefit, an oral rinse would give the benefit.
[01:54:17.510 --> 01:54:19.590]  Drinking it in water is just moronic.
[01:54:20.550 --> 01:54:20.910]  Period.
[01:54:21.070 --> 01:54:21.910]  It's a toxin.
[01:54:21.990 --> 01:54:23.530]  It doesn't help inside the body anyway.
[01:54:24.130 --> 01:54:24.950]  It's a big scam.
[01:54:25.310 --> 01:54:26.170]  I'm with you on that.
[01:54:26.170 --> 01:54:26.750]  You get the idea.
[01:54:26.830 --> 01:54:27.270]  It's a scam.
[01:54:27.270 --> 01:54:39.750]  If you will all do me a favor, let me get to the front door so that I can give each of you one of these membership cards with a CIA RFID chip in it.
[01:54:40.350 --> 01:54:40.870]  And...
[01:54:40.870 --> 01:54:42.410]  I don't know.
[01:54:42.530 --> 01:54:42.850]  Hang on.
[01:54:43.310 --> 01:54:45.870]  Or else someone come up and pack my bag.
[01:54:46.290 --> 01:54:46.810]  Yeah.
[01:54:47.090 --> 01:54:47.250]  Here.
[01:54:47.410 --> 01:54:47.630]  Okay.
[01:54:47.770 --> 01:54:47.970]  Great.
[01:54:49.450 --> 01:54:49.970]  So...
[01:54:49.970 --> 01:54:51.210]  Bring the bag up here.
[01:54:52.290 --> 01:54:54.750]  And your job is to get everything...
[01:54:55.650 --> 01:54:59.690]  Your job is to get everything there into the bag.
[01:54:59.690 --> 01:55:00.310]  I'll
[01:55:03.990 --> 01:55:04.730]  light up again.
[01:55:04.750 --> 01:55:06.470]  Ladies and gentlemen, congratulations.
[01:55:07.290 --> 01:55:10.070]  The time is now 8.05.
[01:55:17.870 --> 01:55:22.770]  This is officially the longest talk in Hacker Conference history.
[01:55:28.900 --> 01:55:30.380]  Thank you very much, Robert.
[01:55:30.600 --> 01:55:40.460]  And also guys, don't forget on your way out, please try to pick up some trash, clean up the room because we're not sure if hotel housekeeping is going to get a chance to clean up.
[01:55:40.740 --> 01:55:40.800]  I lied.
[01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:46.500]  Either someone rated it or I have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
[01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:47.700]  I have 10 cards.
[01:55:47.840 --> 01:55:51.400]  Now what I want to do is try and kind of give them to the people who spoke.
[01:55:51.400 --> 01:55:57.720]  So everybody who asked a question, kind of come up here and I'll recognize you.
[01:55:58.040 --> 01:55:59.560]  What if you asked way too many?
[01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:01.320]  Bonjour.
[01:56:03.120 --> 01:56:03.640]  Bonjour.
[01:56:04.180 --> 01:56:04.620]  Bonjour.
[01:56:04.620 --> 01:56:05.600]  Hold on, hold on, hold on.
[01:56:05.700 --> 01:56:06.300]  Three questions.
[01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:06.820]  Okay.
[01:56:06.960 --> 01:56:07.960]  You guys got something.
[01:56:08.280 --> 01:56:08.820]  Got something.
[01:56:09.300 --> 01:56:09.640]  Yeah.
[01:56:09.800 --> 01:56:10.540]  Hold on.
[01:56:13.640 --> 01:56:14.260]  All right.
[01:56:14.360 --> 01:56:15.180]  You guys judge.
[01:56:15.360 --> 01:56:16.320]  Everyone here judge.
[01:56:16.480 --> 01:56:17.380]  Who gets the last two?
[01:56:17.620 --> 01:56:18.780]  You definitely get that one.
[01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:19.640]  You get that one.
[01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:19.740]  All right.
[01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:20.520]  All right.
[01:56:21.520 --> 01:56:22.520]  It's 11.
[01:56:22.760 --> 01:56:23.020]  It's 11.
[01:56:23.500 --> 01:56:25.480]  You can download this and break yourself.
[01:56:25.480 --> 01:56:26.180]  It's the earlier time.
[01:56:26.400 --> 01:56:26.820]  All right.
[01:56:27.100 --> 01:56:27.160]  Wow.
[01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:31.340]  Once again, whatever you're doing in life should be in information security.
[01:56:31.580 --> 01:56:32.360]  Not a problem.
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[01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:43.080]  Literally.
[01:56:43.240 --> 01:56:43.880]  That's what they call it.
[01:56:44.060 --> 01:56:44.520]  Yeah.