[00:00.000 --> 00:01.600]  So I'm Amelia Marzec.
[00:01.720 --> 00:23.100]  I'm an artist and I've been working with Flux Factory and recently with ZKU Center for Arts and Urbanism in Berlin and also with the Urban Soils Institute, who I'll be doing a residency with in September.
[00:24.440 --> 00:31.460]  So we were going to talk about my project, Itinerant Signal Institute today.
[00:33.180 --> 00:44.740]  And I wanted to start with a short video that I made like 10 years ago because I had this whole project where I made a weather station out of trash that worked.
[00:44.740 --> 00:54.160]  And, you know, I had these video broadcasts that I was sharing as part of that project.
[00:54.160 --> 00:57.520]  So in this one, I sort of touched on climate change.
[00:59.520 --> 01:00.800]  So let's...
[01:01.720 --> 01:02.360]  Wait.
[01:07.140 --> 01:07.780]  Okay.
[01:08.160 --> 01:09.640]  It is, in fact, working.
[01:21.690 --> 01:25.650]  I'm Amelia Marzec reporting from the Weather Center for the Apocalypse.
[01:26.050 --> 01:30.430]  Here's the forecast for June 20th, 2015 from New York.
[01:30.570 --> 01:32.130]  Today, there's some showers.
[01:32.130 --> 01:34.210]  It's around 71 degrees Fahrenheit.
[01:34.650 --> 01:36.590]  The humidity is at 70%.
[01:36.590 --> 01:39.530]  We're expecting some thunderstorms on Sunday.
[01:39.530 --> 01:44.370]  We've received news that Ireland has been surprised by earthquakes in recent years.
[01:44.610 --> 01:49.230]  They're wondering if it'll lead to a huge earthquake across the entire planet.
[01:49.610 --> 01:55.690]  In New York, there's occasionally little earthquakes as we're near a fault line that runs through the Appalachian Mountains.
[01:56.170 --> 02:01.370]  The Indian Point nuclear power plant is situated uncomfortably close to the fault.
[02:01.370 --> 02:11.610]  Across the world, only two hours from Mount Vesuvius, the Pope has issued a document in which humanity is called to make changes in order to combat global warming.
[02:12.050 --> 02:22.570]  Climate change has a disproportionate effect on people who do not have the financial resources to adapt, while those with more resources are mostly concerned with hiding the problem.
[02:22.570 --> 02:28.370]  The natural resources of poorer countries fuel the development of richer countries at their own expense.
[02:28.650 --> 02:36.330]  He states that we cannot care for nature if our hearts lack tenderness, compassion, and concern for our fellow human beings.
[02:37.050 --> 02:42.750]  Conservatives, including two Catholic Republican presidential candidates, have dismissed the document.
[02:42.970 --> 02:46.550]  They're claiming it will cause the largest tax increase in history.
[02:46.550 --> 03:04.390]  Religious groups are calling the Pope a false prophet, saying he is working with the Antichrist, that he is endorsing global socialism, that we will all receive the mark of the beast, that this is a global scheme for wealth redistribution, that the Second Coming will end his reign,
[03:04.610 --> 03:07.670]  and that he will be cast into a lake of fire.
[03:08.230 --> 03:13.870]  They admit that the Pope might be too old at the time of Armageddon to fulfill the prophecies.
[03:13.870 --> 03:22.350]  Today in astrology, the Leo moon gives us some positive energy, but Saturn and Pluto cause some anxiety over our decisions.
[03:22.770 --> 03:27.810]  Due to the politics and the impending storm, there's an elevated risk of apocalypse today.
[03:28.150 --> 03:31.510]  We're hoping you'll join us again tomorrow for our final broadcast.
[03:36.350 --> 03:37.070]  Okay.
[03:38.290 --> 03:45.070]  So there are like 10 episodes of that if you want to see more.
[03:47.710 --> 03:56.290]  So this was just a quick reminder of what's going on with global warming.
[03:56.290 --> 04:00.630]  The emissions are from burning coal, natural gas, and petroleum.
[04:01.630 --> 04:09.070]  And the gases that we're the most concerned about are carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, although there's like others.
[04:10.810 --> 04:18.130]  And they block infrared radiation from leaving the Earth's atmosphere, and this warms the Earth's surface.
[04:18.130 --> 04:25.830]  And so these are a bunch of issues, which is like everything that we're using all the time.
[04:26.190 --> 04:27.450]  Just electricity, right?
[04:28.630 --> 04:32.510]  You know, certain forms of cooking or heating your house.
[04:34.210 --> 04:36.570]  Plastic is a byproduct of oil.
[04:36.810 --> 04:39.050]  Vaseline is a byproduct of oil.
[04:39.410 --> 04:47.270]  You can really go into like household things that are a problem, which is a little too much for today.
[04:49.050 --> 04:57.410]  So the Earth's climate began to rise at the time of the Industrial Revolution, and this was like around 1760 in England.
[04:57.510 --> 04:59.010]  That's where it started.
[04:59.870 --> 05:18.250]  And so, you know, as people have been paying attention to this, you know, they determined that a safe amount of carbon dioxide would be 350 parts per million, and we surpassed that in the 1980s.
[05:20.350 --> 05:32.330]  And last year, you know, they've been predicting like how much there will be each year, and we slightly surpassed their prediction for last year.
[05:34.610 --> 05:39.430]  So there's this great documentary on YouTube, which you folks can all watch for free.
[05:40.110 --> 05:41.890]  It's called Arctic Sinkholes.
[05:43.770 --> 05:55.490]  And, you know, it's really drawing attention to, I guess, the amount of methane and what that is doing to the Earth, because I think a lot of the time we're very focused on carbon dioxide.
[05:57.250 --> 06:01.150]  And so the permafrost is melting, you know, as the ground is warming.
[06:01.150 --> 06:09.050]  And so that is like, in this area, this is like 60 degrees latitude.
[06:09.050 --> 06:11.090]  So like this very outer ring.
[06:12.610 --> 06:18.010]  And that encompasses like seven different countries, most of it in Russia and Canada.
[06:19.110 --> 06:29.630]  And so what's going on is that to be permafrost, you have to like have ground that's frozen for, I think, two years.
[06:32.710 --> 06:45.650]  So what, you know, as that's beginning to thaw, it's, you know, releasing more methane into the air, because there's all these plants and animals and dead things that were frozen, and then they're beginning to thaw again.
[06:45.650 --> 06:48.910]  And so that's releasing the methane into the air.
[06:50.930 --> 07:02.070]  And so you could have it like warming further down beneath the Earth, and then have it rise up through, you know, a fissure or some sort of other crack in the ground.
[07:04.210 --> 07:19.770]  And they've been finding these craters in Siberia, where that's happened where, you know, it's been building and building underground, and then suddenly there's like a big explosion, and it releases all this methane into the air.
[07:19.770 --> 07:20.890]  So this is a concern.
[07:21.710 --> 07:35.210]  And they've only started calculating for this in the past few years, because it, you know, there's no way to actually guess at like how much could be released since it's such a large area.
[07:35.610 --> 07:39.710]  So the concern is that it speeds up global warming sort of exponentially.
[07:42.210 --> 07:45.390]  And, you know, so all this melting is going on.
[07:45.670 --> 07:48.330]  We all know that the sea levels are rising.
[07:49.470 --> 07:54.610]  This is a map of the flood zones in New York in 75 years.
[07:58.170 --> 08:00.290]  And, you know, this is the flood zone.
[08:00.430 --> 08:02.010]  So this isn't going to be like every day.
[08:02.150 --> 08:06.630]  But when we had Hurricane Sandy, what they drew for the flood zones turned out to be accurate.
[08:06.630 --> 08:09.950]  They do know the elevation of all the different parts of the city.
[08:11.290 --> 08:13.350]  And so this is what we're looking at.
[08:14.210 --> 08:30.490]  And so if we have to move, there's a company in Canada that is designing these houses on sleds that can be dragged if there's any sort of problem.
[08:31.270 --> 08:39.190]  And obviously people in Alaska are noticing a lot of changes in their environment, but it's happening all around them.
[08:39.410 --> 08:42.810]  So we may be looking at a future where we're migrating.
[08:45.900 --> 09:05.640]  So I guess one of the first things Trump did in office was to pull out of the Paris Agreement, which is, you know, when all these different countries are agreeing on trying to mitigate some of the emissions in the air and saying what they're going to do.
[09:07.420 --> 09:12.560]  And so this chart was made before that happened.
[09:12.820 --> 09:17.320]  So I don't know how that's going to change in the future.
[09:17.500 --> 09:19.960]  But, you know, this is the ideal, right?
[09:20.400 --> 09:22.840]  And so the current policies were here.
[09:25.100 --> 09:27.160]  If nothing happens, that'll happen.
[09:27.320 --> 09:32.180]  But, you know, there are lots of other countries that are participating in this.
[09:32.180 --> 09:35.020]  So I don't think it's... we aren't here yet.
[09:38.120 --> 09:47.900]  However, I guess the concern is that the United States is like the second largest generator of greenhouse gases.
[09:48.080 --> 09:53.420]  The first one is like... the first one is China and then the United States and then India.
[09:59.170 --> 10:11.110]  So if you look at the National Grid website, they actually have a page which is like solutions to reducing carbon dioxide in the air.
[10:11.270 --> 10:18.750]  And this is like the dumbest example of like what they think a solution would be, which is carbon capture and storage.
[10:18.750 --> 10:29.390]  So they want... they somehow want to like catch the CO2 in the air and then like transport it and put it into a pipe or into a truck or something.
[10:29.670 --> 10:32.250]  And then they want to shoot it back underground.
[10:33.710 --> 10:43.190]  And obviously, you know, looking at this documentary with these like sinkholes and explosions and everything, you could see that's like definitely not a real solution.
[10:44.190 --> 10:53.450]  You know, but it's the kind of thing where they can stay like doing what they're doing now and not change anything and be like, oh, this is our solution.
[10:53.450 --> 10:57.450]  And, you know, ultimately cause a bigger problem.
[10:57.450 --> 10:58.550]  Here's some risks.
[11:04.570 --> 11:11.270]  And so, of course, I guess there have been some changes with the current administration.
[11:11.270 --> 11:17.010]  And so, NOAA, they run all the weather satellites.
[11:17.370 --> 11:26.510]  And so, you know, they're dealing with, you know, people being fired, you know, potentially more budget cuts.
[11:26.730 --> 11:30.710]  And so then if that happens, you know, people are going to be working harder.
[11:32.010 --> 11:36.390]  The weather service will not be working as well as usual.
[11:38.870 --> 11:45.530]  And other countries that are relying on that sort of data aren't going to be able to have the right information.
[11:45.570 --> 11:48.070]  And so that could affect other countries as well.
[11:50.830 --> 11:51.310]  Yeah,
[11:54.390 --> 11:54.490]  yeah.
[11:54.650 --> 12:01.590]  Well, that was, you know, that's sort of my question for this project.
[12:01.590 --> 12:04.910]  Cause as I've been working on this, I started it like last year.
[12:06.690 --> 12:14.190]  I've, I was checking this map for, these are just like local weather stations that broadcast the air quality.
[12:15.570 --> 12:18.950]  And, you know, a lot of them are like with schools or, you know, whatever.
[12:18.950 --> 12:23.070]  And around the time of the election, I started to notice them disappearing.
[12:23.070 --> 12:34.110]  There was like probably like twice as many in like Brooklyn and actually downtown Manhattan, you know.
[12:34.290 --> 12:44.010]  So I, you know, I was working in some places over there and I've had to like keep switching which one I'm using and they're getting further and further away.
[12:44.010 --> 12:55.890]  So, you know, I'm worried that, you know, this is a phenomenon that's somehow related and we're going to be seeing a lot less information.
[12:57.070 --> 13:00.590]  You know, if that's not a priority for our country.
[13:06.500 --> 13:08.580]  Alright, so about this project.
[13:10.660 --> 13:30.940]  So I decided to start my own institute and part of what's going on is to create a network of sensors, you know, that are going to test environmental toxins and, you know, determine their effect on global climate change.
[13:30.940 --> 13:36.780]  So I started this testing like different locations in New York that are super fun sites.
[13:36.980 --> 13:46.140]  So these are like the most toxic sites in America and working on Governor's Island and working close to Newtown Creek.
[13:48.060 --> 13:50.940]  And I've been working with the Urban Soils Institute.
[13:51.560 --> 13:55.100]  They do soil testing for everybody.
[13:57.040 --> 14:00.040]  And so collecting soil from these different places.
[14:00.320 --> 14:17.720]  And I guess part of the reason I've been doing this is that, you know, the amount of toxins that are in the soil are also going to affect the, you know, how things are breaking down in the soil that's like, you know, just like around us.
[14:17.720 --> 14:21.420]  And so that indirectly affects the air.
[14:23.220 --> 14:25.820]  So for instance, these are looking for heavy metals.
[14:25.820 --> 14:29.600]  It's like arsenic, lead, copper and zinc.
[14:30.820 --> 14:34.880]  And the ones in this picture that have a star mean they're very bad.
[14:36.600 --> 14:41.020]  So I've been working with the scientists who are testing this.
[14:41.020 --> 14:53.260]  And, you know, so for instance, if you see a lot of lead, it's going to like stop all the plants from like growing or decaying or like, you know, all the activity just sort of stops.
[14:57.040 --> 15:03.620]  So this is a beautiful picture of Newtown Creek where I got one of the soil samples from.
[15:04.560 --> 15:09.600]  Actually, the worst sample that I collected was from this gorgeous area.
[15:11.360 --> 15:13.600]  And then I was in Europe this year.
[15:13.820 --> 15:19.540]  I was in Berlin and also in Poznan in Poland.
[15:20.000 --> 15:27.860]  And I started to think about sites that were, you know, more like psychologically toxic as well.
[15:30.320 --> 15:37.940]  You know, they have a history of fascism that is like everywhere.
[15:37.940 --> 15:45.860]  And so I tested a bunch of sites like the location where Hitler's bunker was.
[15:45.860 --> 15:50.360]  It was, you know, blown up and then his body was like burned on the site.
[15:50.380 --> 15:59.120]  And so I got a soil sample from there, you know, and I guess there's also a hill with a gorgeous radio tower on it, Teufelsberg.
[15:59.120 --> 16:12.560]  But the hill that it's on is all this rubble that was left behind from the Battle of Berlin, which was like towards the end of World War II when like the entire city was bombed.
[16:12.560 --> 16:17.740]  And so they put all of that material into one hill.
[16:18.080 --> 16:20.660]  And so I was collecting dirt from like these different places.
[16:21.620 --> 16:24.440]  And, you know, those things happened a long time ago now.
[16:24.440 --> 16:32.960]  So I'm waiting to get these samples back and like see, you know, how that affects the project or where it's going to go.
[16:36.030 --> 16:38.790]  And these are the folks doing soil testing.
[16:39.030 --> 16:45.150]  So they have this like device which is basically like a sort of laser gun.
[16:45.590 --> 16:52.170]  And it just shoots the bag of dirt and then it's able to read the metals in it.
[16:55.940 --> 17:00.000]  So then I built my own device for testing the air.
[17:00.300 --> 17:03.400]  This is just with a couple of cheap sensors on like an Arduino.
[17:05.580 --> 17:08.600]  And it's testing for methane and CO2.
[17:09.720 --> 17:19.740]  And so I guess one thing I noticed is that, you know, I was looking at these air AQI numbers, the air quality index, and it doesn't actually test for greenhouse gases.
[17:19.740 --> 17:26.040]  It's like super useful because we're using it, you know, if there's a forest fire and we're like, oh, can we go outside?
[17:26.120 --> 17:27.320]  Is it safe to go running?
[17:27.500 --> 17:27.720]  Whatever.
[17:29.020 --> 17:34.620]  And the only thing they're testing is ozone, you know.
[17:34.960 --> 17:43.260]  And so this is also like to, you know, start thinking about like testing these more directly.
[17:48.730 --> 17:52.770]  And so these are some of the locations I was starting with.
[17:55.450 --> 18:08.690]  I have a map that I've been making and adding to with, you know, where I've gotten samples from and, you know, what the results of the testing were, was.
[18:16.690 --> 18:21.790]  You know, and so I'm going to continue adding on to this map.
[18:22.010 --> 18:25.250]  This is obviously New York.
[18:32.210 --> 18:39.130]  And this is the idea of like how this whole system is going to work.
[18:41.350 --> 18:48.070]  So I have like this, the air sensor, and then that connects to like a Raspberry Pi server.
[18:48.590 --> 18:53.230]  And then that just sends the data back to the website for the project.
[18:54.270 --> 18:56.710]  And so up here, these are little clouds.
[18:56.950 --> 19:02.190]  This is just from the AQI I was getting from like the schools or whatever in the area.
[19:03.110 --> 19:06.070]  And I think it's good to have that number.
[19:06.250 --> 19:10.730]  I might ultimately want to just use the data from here.
[19:12.270 --> 19:14.550]  And I'll talk about this a bit later.
[19:14.710 --> 19:23.030]  I have mascots that tell people about the project, you know, just to get the general public into it.
[19:31.440 --> 19:35.940]  And so this is my server in Berlin.
[19:36.280 --> 19:48.100]  I've had this issue with getting people to agree to me broadcasting numbers over their network.
[19:49.000 --> 19:51.280]  So I think I've had one location.
[19:51.280 --> 19:54.780]  I have like five locations this project has been in.
[19:54.900 --> 19:56.320]  It moves from place to place.
[19:57.240 --> 19:59.740]  It is in itinerant.
[20:00.720 --> 20:05.540]  And it was designed to move from place to place, which will be necessary.
[20:05.740 --> 20:19.780]  But also, you know, as an artist and a person, you know, I have moved like twice while this project's been going on and had different studios and different places where I've been allowed to set up this project.
[20:21.620 --> 20:46.920]  You know, and so then actually having having the server, you know, I have to like, hack people's networks sometimes, which is, you know, it's a weird feature of the project, you know, so I had one area, one location where it was set up fine, no questions.
[20:47.680 --> 20:51.220]  You know, I had another one where people didn't know what was going on.
[20:51.640 --> 20:54.200]  And I found that I had the password to their router.
[20:54.380 --> 20:55.680]  And so I set it up myself.
[20:57.580 --> 21:01.640]  I had a location that didn't have any Internet, and I didn't know that going into it.
[21:02.380 --> 21:03.840]  I was only there briefly.
[21:04.080 --> 21:14.640]  So then it's a question of like, okay, if I'm in this place, you know, I'm doing this manually, I'm going to, you know, check these numbers and upload them when I'm able to have access.
[21:17.660 --> 21:35.880]  And I guess Governor's Island, I'm going to return there in September again, their network is set up like, it's like a university network, it's very locked down, like I'm not able to like even have like a local area network, like in the room I'm working on.
[21:36.760 --> 21:41.840]  So I use like a tunnel to get around it.
[21:43.380 --> 21:49.620]  And then in Berlin, they kept promising me that I was going to be able to do this.
[21:51.500 --> 21:59.040]  But I think they're the guy who was setting up their network must have been like an intern or something.
[21:59.460 --> 22:02.200]  And he was like, I don't know how to open a port.
[22:02.680 --> 22:08.200]  And I guess usually you just have to go in and like, say which one, you know, like hit a box.
[22:08.660 --> 22:09.880]  So it's not a big deal.
[22:09.880 --> 22:13.100]  So I was like, are they trying to trick me or something?
[22:15.000 --> 22:23.480]  You know, and so I tried, like, I had to install everything back on the Raspberry Pi.
[22:24.520 --> 22:30.480]  And I was like on their Wi-Fi and like on my phone network, like at the same time.
[22:30.480 --> 22:37.740]  And then I was like wondering if I could like route traffic through my phone or something.
[22:38.080 --> 22:43.020]  You know, so trying a bunch of things like that, you know, and it feels like it's different in like every location.
[22:43.020 --> 22:45.680]  And I don't really know what I'm going to encounter.
[22:48.680 --> 22:52.400]  So any strategies for that will be helpful.
[22:55.500 --> 23:00.000]  These are the different locations currently that I've been in.
[23:00.000 --> 23:02.540]  The one that's active right now is in Long Island City.
[23:07.480 --> 23:12.400]  And I guess I'll just pull open this website here.
[23:13.740 --> 23:18.360]  So each location, the
[23:21.560 --> 23:24.780]  air quality is really bad in New York today for some reason also.
[23:26.220 --> 23:34.700]  You know, this is in progress, but I was trying to make it so like the numbers that are coming in, you know, effects and animations.
[23:35.040 --> 23:41.880]  So you can just sort of glance at it really quickly and get a sense of how things are going in different locations.
[23:46.130 --> 23:55.030]  So I put the results of the soil testing and then the air quality, and I'll be adding more information to this as the project goes along.
[23:58.190 --> 24:03.630]  And those are my mascots coming into the picture there.
[24:03.970 --> 24:12.210]  So I was hoping to like, you know, figure out if they're, you know, going to show them, you know, what are their activities, you know.
[24:12.210 --> 24:30.390]  So the whole thing with these characters is that they, you know, as the permafrost has been melting, there have been, you know, animals and like dinosaur bones and things that have been dead for 10,000 years or more coming out of the ground.
[24:31.950 --> 24:40.070]  And I feel like a month ago they found a worm and were able, they were able to, like scientists were able to bring it back to life.
[24:42.330 --> 24:58.050]  And diseases have come out and come back to life, which is actually a concern, you know, so the whole thing with these mascots is that they are animals that have come out of the permafrost and they're going to work in the Institute.
[24:58.050 --> 25:08.570]  And, um, I guess as part of our performance, I want to, um, have them go around the city and do the testing.
[25:09.750 --> 25:17.170]  And, um, this one is a, the one in the middle is actually antelope skull.
[25:17.430 --> 25:21.890]  And this, this one on the side is a, uh, snapping turtle.
[25:28.490 --> 25:37.490]  So I want to have a few of them and, you know, have a little parade, I guess, of these creatures as a way to make a spectacle.
[25:37.750 --> 25:42.350]  Because then if I look crazy in the street, like people do come up and talk to me.
[25:42.490 --> 25:49.230]  People in New York are very curious, you know, and then it's like an easy way to start to engage people with this project.
[25:59.000 --> 26:07.820]  And so I had a, a few predictions from other folks about what, what's going to happen in the future.
[26:08.920 --> 26:13.620]  Uh, so, let's play that.
[26:15.680 --> 26:18.920]  Uh, so, my name is Tuli and...
[26:18.920 --> 26:20.120]  Is that loud enough?
[26:20.320 --> 26:26.400]  I've been starting this process of, of thinking how to evolve into a, a sea creature.
[26:27.980 --> 26:39.840]  And, kind of, drawing inspiration from the land mammals, that started, the evolution started in the sea, then they came onto land, and decided to go back.
[26:39.840 --> 26:56.060]  Uh, so, with this podcast of sea levels rising, uh, me and my colleague Zoe, we figured out that it would make sense for, for humans to start thinking about the future in the sea.
[26:56.580 --> 26:57.320]  Thank you.
[26:57.920 --> 27:04.220]  We're going to be looking at strategies of existing sea creatures.
[27:05.180 --> 27:15.320]  And, uh, then we're going to work in the pool to start something, and then finally go to the, go to the sea.
[27:15.760 --> 27:23.320]  Uh, and also work with, with our voices, uh, figure out how to communicate underwater.
[27:23.960 --> 27:30.900]  Because the human language is not, maybe, the best way to communicate underwater.
[27:38.740 --> 27:41.880]  I guess I have, like, a sort of a fantasy of how it could happen.
[27:42.340 --> 27:53.040]  But, but, like, apocalypse in a, in a beautiful way, where I think that, like, I imagine, eventually, that all the countries start to just fall apart.
[27:53.040 --> 28:02.740]  Which, which, which means they break down into small, manageable sized, almost nation states, but very, very small.
[28:02.920 --> 28:06.540]  And so, like, maybe a city, like, Helsinki size.
[28:06.540 --> 28:08.080]  I think it's 500,000.
[28:08.680 --> 28:10.720]  Maybe that could be, like, a group.
[28:10.940 --> 28:11.940]  But much smaller.
[28:12.180 --> 28:13.600]  Smaller, smaller, smaller groups.
[28:14.200 --> 28:32.800]  And we, and, and, and I, I don't know, I think that that would, either that apocalypse makes that happen, and everybody sort of goes back into smaller groups, or we actually get smart enough that we realize that Homo sapiens survived for a long, long time because we were in small, manageable groups.
[28:35.000 --> 28:53.620]  And then those groups got larger and larger, but then, even still, there, there can be, like, negotiations, there can be alliances, there can be, but, but, like, one person in charge of 50 million or 500 million people is ridiculously unsustainable.
[28:53.620 --> 28:55.580]  So that's what needs to fracture.
[28:56.160 --> 29:02.540]  And my logo for my work, because I used to call myself a witch doctor, my logo was, like, a gas mask with antlers.
[29:02.820 --> 29:11.660]  And so, I mean, I also could see the apocalyptic as sort of a return to a more ritual-based society.
[29:15.680 --> 29:16.800]  The future?
[29:17.900 --> 29:18.460]  Hmm.
[29:20.080 --> 29:22.780]  I have no idea why you ask me these crazy questions.
[29:24.480 --> 29:28.220]  Have you been living on this boat and helping out forever?
[29:28.760 --> 29:36.000]  I do think, I do think that the, um, the living conditions are going to be more compact, because I'm into teeny houses.
[29:36.000 --> 29:40.900]  So I do believe that, you know, people are going to be living in smaller houses rather than bigger houses.
[29:41.100 --> 29:48.960]  There's not going to be enough room in the future for people, you know, to, you know, to live in these big houses and just find themselves with two people.
[29:49.500 --> 29:52.200]  I believe that you're going to, you're going to be in a container.
[29:52.400 --> 29:54.100]  You're going to have a container community.
[29:54.620 --> 29:56.800]  If I think it's small houses and things like that.
[29:57.020 --> 30:05.100]  Do you think that we'll have to, like, we'll be fleeing places because, like, the water rising and all that?
[30:05.100 --> 30:06.320]  They're doing that now.
[30:06.880 --> 30:07.880]  In Jersey.
[30:09.600 --> 30:10.400]  It's closed.
[30:10.580 --> 30:11.680]  They're doing that now in Jersey.
[30:12.200 --> 30:13.860]  They are actually lifting up the whole house.
[30:13.960 --> 30:17.020]  They're lifting up whole houses and moving them.
[30:17.140 --> 30:18.120]  They are doing this.
[30:18.520 --> 30:22.940]  They can't stay there because it's a constant flood-prone area now.
[30:23.560 --> 30:27.260]  Once Sandy came through, it didn't change it.
[30:27.340 --> 30:29.080]  It didn't make it back to where it was.
[30:29.200 --> 30:31.860]  It just continued to be a flood-prone area.
[30:31.860 --> 30:32.500]  Yeah.
[30:33.800 --> 30:35.000]  So that's the way it's going to be.
[30:35.100 --> 30:38.840]  I think that the ocean is taking over back where it was at.
[30:39.020 --> 30:40.920]  And it does this every once in a while.
[30:41.100 --> 30:42.400]  And here you are now.
[30:42.400 --> 30:43.400]  It's going to do it again.
[30:49.880 --> 30:52.720]  Okay, so that's all I have for today.
[30:52.900 --> 30:57.460]  This is my Instagram if you want to see where I'm at next.
[31:00.060 --> 31:02.580]  And I guess, do you folks have questions?
[31:08.930 --> 31:09.850]  Thank you.
[31:12.910 --> 31:13.630]  Yeah.
[31:13.950 --> 31:19.690]  You were talking earlier about communication problems regarding, you know, just communicating with your sensors.
[31:20.330 --> 31:29.850]  Have you considered, like, alternate methods, like, of communication, like, or something to connect those things together to, like, a single, like, home base, essentially?
[31:30.610 --> 31:31.030]  No.
[31:31.490 --> 31:31.930]  Okay.
[31:32.510 --> 31:32.930]  Yeah.
[31:33.170 --> 31:40.050]  Well, because I guess right now I have one building that is currently active.
[31:41.310 --> 31:41.770]  Right.
[31:41.770 --> 31:47.110]  It might be something to look into in the future is basically what I'm, like, getting at.
[31:47.770 --> 31:48.030]  Yeah.
[31:48.070 --> 32:02.510]  Because they can work, because those work in, like, unlicensed frequencies, and they can work over, like, several, you know, they can work over miles if you're, if you have the right setup, but, and that way, like, you don't have to worry about...
[32:02.510 --> 32:04.990]  Okay, what if they don't provide the Wi-Fi or whatever.
[32:06.830 --> 32:07.190]  Yeah.
[32:07.190 --> 32:13.750]  I guess that question then is, like, you know, if I end up in some other random country, you know, with a project.
[32:13.970 --> 32:14.290]  Right.
[32:14.510 --> 32:17.430]  Like, I still, like, still, what am I going to do if I'm not here?
[32:18.390 --> 32:18.750]  Yeah.
[32:19.690 --> 32:19.910]  Yeah.
[32:19.910 --> 32:19.970]  Yeah.
[32:20.070 --> 32:23.110]  Like, there are different frequencies for, like, U.S.
[32:23.170 --> 32:27.650]  versus Europe, but you can't, but they do work, but they basically work over unlicensed frequencies.
[32:27.890 --> 32:31.230]  So, like, anybody without a license, no, you don't need a license or anything to set one up.
[32:31.230 --> 32:33.670]  You can just, you know, incorporate that.
[32:33.790 --> 32:47.450]  And people have done that with, you know, incorporating into, into things like argolinos and using those to get telemetry out, particularly, you know, the sensory geometry out to communicate.
[32:49.870 --> 32:50.570]  All right.
[32:50.650 --> 32:50.910]  Nice.
[32:52.170 --> 32:54.050]  I have a question, but I'm also going to follow on.
[32:54.130 --> 32:58.010]  I've worked for a while with a company that did environmental censoring.
[32:58.150 --> 33:00.270]  That's all they did for commercial real estate.
[33:00.270 --> 33:05.890]  And, yeah, they completely gave up on the idea of using any sort of providing network by the location.
[33:06.190 --> 33:15.770]  It was all low-run, it was all low-frequency, or even cell-based communication, because it's pretty much possible to get people to agree to get you onto their network.
[33:16.430 --> 33:18.810]  So, the path has already been made for you.
[33:19.050 --> 33:20.810]  Environmental sensors, that's what they do.
[33:22.010 --> 33:24.910]  Is this a group that I should look up?
[33:25.270 --> 33:27.010]  Yeah, you should look at Metropastic.
[33:27.310 --> 33:27.410]  Yeah.
[33:27.890 --> 33:29.820]  So, they're using that technology?
[33:30.930 --> 33:32.430]  Yeah, I mean, they're using this conference.
[33:32.790 --> 33:32.930]  Yeah.
[33:33.450 --> 33:35.050]  I saw it on the list.
[33:35.570 --> 33:46.870]  In fact, sensor technology and communication of sensors with a main base, it was actually, in many ways, the architecture is perfect for that, because it's tiny, tiny steps of data being pushed around.
[33:47.490 --> 33:47.550]  Yeah.
[33:47.550 --> 33:55.770]  My question is that, I'm intrigued, it's kind of a softball question, that you said, I'm an artist.
[33:56.010 --> 33:57.270]  That was what you led with.
[33:57.590 --> 34:03.870]  And that, obviously, a sense of whimsy and absurdity is a part of it.
[34:06.270 --> 34:13.370]  How do you balance that with what really is also a scientific, a citizen scientist project?
[34:13.770 --> 34:16.650]  Do you see any dichotomy there, or is it actually one and the same?
[34:16.650 --> 34:16.830]  Yes.
[34:20.970 --> 34:27.450]  I mean, that's a question about this project in general.
[34:28.170 --> 34:41.210]  And I feel like the timeline for this is that, you know, in another year, I'm sort of like at the halfway point of figuring out what this project is.
[34:41.210 --> 34:52.070]  And, you know, so having the time to go into that, you know, over the next few months is part of the plan.
[34:52.810 --> 34:58.490]  Because I feel like I've had projects before that were also like fake organizations.
[35:00.470 --> 35:08.390]  And, you know, by the end of the project, it's like, you know, when I'm living through it, I don't necessarily know what's going to be revealed.
[35:10.570 --> 35:15.970]  And so I feel like I should talk about how this happened before.
[35:15.970 --> 35:21.390]  I had this project called the New American Sweatshop.
[35:22.210 --> 35:32.490]  And I was, you know, people were giving me, this is when New York stopped collecting e-waste.
[35:32.850 --> 35:38.990]  And so then people, you know, were in this whole thing where they were like, I have to bring it to the recycling center.
[35:38.990 --> 35:44.130]  And so I had this whole project and I asked people for donations and then I got a lot.
[35:45.050 --> 35:48.390]  And, you know, it was all their 90s technology or whatever.
[35:48.610 --> 35:57.130]  And so I was curious about manufacturing electronics cheaply in America and how to do that in the cheapest way possible.
[35:57.130 --> 36:03.250]  You know, and so we were desoldering these things and testing it and seeing if the parts were still working.
[36:05.550 --> 36:10.690]  And, you know, and and so people thought this was a really great business idea.
[36:11.110 --> 36:13.690]  But, you know, if you run the numbers, it's not right.
[36:14.010 --> 36:21.330]  And, you know, one of the questions was about labor, you know, and I started getting these people.
[36:21.470 --> 36:24.090]  I was working with a gallery, you know, as an artist.
[36:24.090 --> 36:31.350]  And I was getting folks who were like interns in the gallery or volunteers in the gallery.
[36:31.350 --> 36:36.230]  And a lot of them were like these, you know, women from like Ivy League schools.
[36:36.230 --> 36:37.690]  They're like rich kids, you know.
[36:37.830 --> 36:46.710]  And so it was like at the end of the project that became what it was about was really like being able to hijack their labor for free.
[36:48.390 --> 36:59.510]  You know, so I feel like whenever I have questions about the project, I feel like I have to live with it and see what evolves, you know.
[36:59.510 --> 37:00.910]  But it could become real.
[37:04.010 --> 37:05.090]  I mean, yeah.
[37:05.430 --> 37:08.410]  Well, there's always, what is, what is real?
[37:08.850 --> 37:15.330]  You know, is it like that I have some sort of legal documents, you know, for the project?
[37:15.470 --> 37:16.530]  Is that what makes it real?
[37:16.730 --> 37:19.810]  You know, this is very much an activity that's going on.
[37:19.810 --> 37:23.870]  Well, I love that you had a shot of your business plan with the gold plate.
[37:24.190 --> 37:26.230]  Was there actually any documents in the business plan?
[37:27.150 --> 37:27.530]  Yeah.
[37:27.810 --> 37:28.190]  Okay.
[37:28.330 --> 37:28.610]  Yeah.
[37:29.470 --> 37:30.850]  You know, it's like a timeline.
[37:30.850 --> 37:38.070]  I was going to do that for this project also, you know, just to really keep track, just document what's been going on, you know.
[37:38.070 --> 37:43.470]  So obviously I have the locations, I have the data, I have the stories of people not letting me use their network.
[37:43.890 --> 37:50.130]  You know, you know, I have emails of the guy who said he didn't know how to open the ports.
[37:50.350 --> 37:53.530]  You know, I'm like, that is a great document for me to keep.
[37:56.210 --> 38:00.230]  You know, so keeping track of all of that as I go along.
[38:02.210 --> 38:07.110]  I guess for the other project, I did have like an advisory board.
[38:07.730 --> 38:09.890]  And I was like sending them emails.
[38:10.670 --> 38:12.590]  Just like basically like friends.
[38:15.830 --> 38:21.510]  So yeah, all of that, you know, keeping documentation of everything that goes on.
[38:21.510 --> 38:30.330]  Because it's like, you know, there's the setup, there's the technical setup, but then there's all this other stuff that happens and all these other meanings that come out of it.
[38:40.810 --> 38:41.550]  Which one?
[38:41.970 --> 38:42.110]  You?
[38:42.450 --> 38:43.270]  Oh, appreciate it.
[38:43.970 --> 38:44.430]  Yeah.
[38:45.370 --> 38:56.150]  So, I guess this is sort of a question to get some understanding to maybe push back against the meshtastic stuff and other lore-based suggestions.
[38:56.150 --> 39:07.850]  It sounds to me like usually what you're doing is you're teleporting into a location and you've got like one spot that you can set stuff up at and you need some sort of networking from there.
[39:07.850 --> 39:18.310]  And usually meshtastic stuff like that's really good for being like a central hub to like poke back to the Internet, at least on the other end, and then like do a bunch of mesh stuff.
[39:18.710 --> 39:22.210]  But if you're only sending out... and is that true?
[39:22.430 --> 39:25.190]  Like you have one place where you can do stuff?
[39:26.150 --> 39:30.310]  Well, I mean, sometimes it's multiple places at the same time.
[39:30.490 --> 39:34.070]  I think the most I've had set up was like three at a time.
[39:34.070 --> 39:34.590]  Okay.
[39:35.070 --> 39:37.950]  But the problem is getting networking at any of those locations?
[39:39.970 --> 39:42.750]  It depends if they want me to.
[39:43.230 --> 39:43.330]  Yeah.
[39:43.690 --> 39:47.890]  Well, I have a thing that would be fine if you had no networking at any of the locations.
[39:48.690 --> 39:57.370]  So amateur radio operators, nerds, will have these like listening stations basically everywhere listening for something called APRS.
[39:58.650 --> 40:08.790]  And then you can just look... you can anywhere in the world hear or look at all of the APRS traffic all across the world, basically.
[40:09.870 --> 40:20.050]  So if one of your sensors screams out on APRS, like, hey, I'm seeing 2.6 parts per million of this or that.
[40:20.690 --> 40:22.590]  And then it just doesn't do that too often.
[40:22.750 --> 40:25.730]  So you're not kind of like a mean person to the network.
[40:26.670 --> 40:29.630]  If you're doing that every maybe half hour or something like that.
[40:29.830 --> 40:36.150]  Yeah, you'd be able to have almost an unlimited number of sensors in an unlimited number of locations without any Internet whatsoever.
[40:37.670 --> 40:38.550]  Yeah, I guess.
[40:38.670 --> 40:43.650]  Well, also, it's not that much data that I need to send right now.
[40:43.850 --> 40:45.550]  It's like two numbers.
[40:46.030 --> 40:48.470]  Yeah, you'd be like sending location.
[40:48.630 --> 40:50.490]  I'm like, I could use Morse code.
[40:51.470 --> 40:52.450]  Something, you know.
[40:53.570 --> 40:55.890]  You guys are like, yes, use Morse code.
[40:58.730 --> 41:10.170]  But yeah, if you got like the lowest level of amateur radio license in pretty much any country, you could make your sensors just like take advantage of what other people have built.
[41:11.990 --> 41:12.350]  Yeah.
[41:12.350 --> 41:13.450]  That's a good suggestion.
[41:14.550 --> 41:14.990]  All right.
[41:15.110 --> 41:17.230]  He had his hand up first, and then you...
[41:18.130 --> 41:20.610]  I was just curious, like, what are the sensors that you're using?
[41:20.770 --> 41:21.970]  And like, how much do they cost?
[41:22.130 --> 41:23.190]  And like, are you interested?
[41:24.230 --> 41:30.690]  I don't know if it's already at first, but like, is it interesting just like, people making their own and sending you the data?
[41:32.330 --> 41:37.670]  Well, that sounds like a, you know, there's a practical way to have more of them.
[41:41.050 --> 41:44.070]  You know, so that is something that I'm considering.
[41:45.150 --> 41:51.610]  I guess, I had like a CO2 sensor from like out of fruit or something.
[41:52.330 --> 41:53.370]  Maybe $20.
[41:53.730 --> 41:56.530]  So they were not expensive.
[41:56.610 --> 42:00.050]  It's not like the most sensitive, but I think it's fine.
[42:00.290 --> 42:07.870]  You know, after living with it, you know, I guess in Poland, I was getting like really high CO2 readings for no reason.
[42:07.870 --> 42:10.610]  You know, so I was like, oh, it's working.
[42:14.570 --> 42:20.350]  I guess the other one, the methane sensor, that was just like a $5 sensor on like Amazon that I got.
[42:21.070 --> 42:30.920]  You know, I think it might have been checking for different gases.
[42:31.080 --> 42:37.900]  I think some of these sensors, they'll check for like a number of different gases at the same time.
[42:38.780 --> 42:42.200]  And let you know if there's a problem at all.
[42:42.500 --> 42:48.600]  So that one is a little less sensitive, but it was $5.
[42:50.000 --> 42:57.400]  So, you know, part of like building it is just being like, okay, let's just do this in the cheapest way possible.
[42:57.400 --> 42:59.300]  See if it's a good idea, you know.
[43:00.540 --> 43:07.680]  I was looking into a nitrous sense nitrous oxide sensor, but it was like $400.
[43:08.420 --> 43:11.040]  So that is actually a concern.
[43:12.980 --> 43:14.820]  But yeah, it's $400.
[43:16.280 --> 43:18.940]  So not in the project right now.
[43:21.560 --> 43:23.780]  What was the other part of your question?
[43:30.420 --> 43:32.680]  I haven't published it yet actually.
[43:34.900 --> 43:39.500]  Yeah, because I have like, I have like two batteries in it.
[43:39.640 --> 43:47.220]  There's like a, there's two different circuits for power.
[43:49.940 --> 43:53.660]  So, I need to like battle test that a little bit more.
[43:56.300 --> 44:03.060]  You know, because sometimes I'll just toss it in my bag and then it, you know, it gets jiggered.
[44:03.060 --> 44:07.340]  And I have to like, make sure that doesn't happen before I like give it to a lot of people.
[44:09.640 --> 44:13.500]  So, but yeah, I mean, so that's just where it's at, you know.
[44:14.340 --> 44:16.720]  So, in a few more months, we'll be further along.
[44:19.280 --> 44:21.560]  You had a question next, right?
[44:22.700 --> 44:28.880]  I really like the, you had the costumes of folks that were wearing for the snapping tornado and the antelope.
[44:28.880 --> 44:33.240]  I thought that was, and connected to like, how they were reviewed by the permafrost.
[44:33.340 --> 44:37.120]  I thought that was a really striking way to go ahead and collect attention.
[44:37.120 --> 44:41.320]  Not just in the sense that folks are like, oh, why are you in a costume and what are you doing?
[44:41.500 --> 44:46.580]  But sort of as something that's tied to the environmental crisis that we're all going to.
[44:46.980 --> 44:50.180]  And there's a way to sort of bring that reality more to the forefront.
[44:51.160 --> 44:56.620]  I guess I'm curious just in terms of how that interfaces, like how does the public sort of interface with that?
[44:56.620 --> 45:01.380]  Like, cause I know, I imagine folks have questions, but is there anything else?
[45:01.960 --> 45:03.840]  Like, do, do folks just ask what you're doing?
[45:04.020 --> 45:09.700]  Or do we react in other ways to seeing sort of these performances out in the public space?
[45:10.820 --> 45:11.820]  Yeah, yeah.
[45:11.960 --> 45:14.560]  I've had a couple interesting reactions.
[45:14.700 --> 45:18.960]  Like, some people did ask me what, what was going on.
[45:19.160 --> 45:24.340]  And I told them it was a climate change project and they, they ran away.
[45:24.560 --> 45:26.280]  They didn't want to hear nothing about it.
[45:26.280 --> 45:34.200]  So, you know, there's people who definitely don't want to engage with this conversation.
[45:34.320 --> 45:40.880]  And, and those are actually the people that are probably the most critical to reach.
[45:41.120 --> 45:46.220]  You know, so it's also a way of like finding out how to, how to do that.
[45:49.320 --> 45:52.380]  You know, like, like someone thought it was a protest.
[45:53.300 --> 46:03.360]  And I'm like, maybe, you know, but I do, I do attract a lot of people who are already into this stuff.
[46:03.360 --> 46:06.920]  So then it's like, I'm also a beacon for those folks.
[46:08.740 --> 46:12.560]  Yeah, so there's just different reactions that people have.
[46:15.640 --> 46:25.060]  You know, and I think being able to do something that's like more of an event, you know, you know, we'll draw attention to it even more.
[46:25.060 --> 46:31.000]  So I've been talking about like how to do that, probably with Flux Factory.
[46:33.040 --> 46:35.440]  So does that answer your question?
[46:37.540 --> 46:41.120]  I just thought I was, I just felt very moved at seeing that.
[46:41.260 --> 46:46.080]  I thought that was a very impactful thing to just bring into the streets.
[46:46.420 --> 46:49.580]  And I just, yeah, just wanted to try to learn a little more.
[46:50.100 --> 46:50.660]  Thank you.
[46:50.660 --> 46:51.800]  Yeah, thank you.
[46:54.900 --> 46:56.040]  What does that mean?
[46:56.380 --> 46:57.480]  That means two minutes.
[46:57.880 --> 46:58.140]  Okay.
[46:59.780 --> 47:00.520]  All right.
[47:00.740 --> 47:02.760]  Do we have any two minute questions?
[47:05.640 --> 47:06.840]  This would be really cool.
[47:07.420 --> 47:08.260]  Thank you.
[47:09.980 --> 47:10.700]  All right.
[47:10.840 --> 47:11.220]  Thank you.