[00:01.760 --> 00:03.380]  Real quick, what is that?
[00:03.820 --> 00:03.840]  Anybody?
[00:04.600 --> 00:04.760]  A rat.
[00:06.040 --> 00:06.620]  A rat.
[00:07.640 --> 00:08.320]  A rat.
[00:08.540 --> 00:08.980]  Anything else?
[00:11.700 --> 00:12.500]  It is an image file.
[00:14.740 --> 00:16.060]  It is an image file.
[00:16.380 --> 00:18.900]  It's a hard realist in the room.
[00:19.040 --> 00:19.800]  I knew there would be.
[00:22.000 --> 00:31.500]  Our brain, our brain, kind of the machine, the computer that it is, takes in this data, and we have to sort through it, and we have to make sense of it.
[00:31.500 --> 00:32.460]  We do it pretty quickly.
[00:33.260 --> 00:37.120]  This word, apophenia, is kind of a word that describes... Yeah, sorry.
[00:37.320 --> 00:39.860]  Given that we're videotaping, we can at least take it with me.
[00:39.940 --> 00:41.220]  Take it with me, really?
[00:41.440 --> 00:42.320]  Yeah, because we'll be recording.
[00:42.400 --> 00:43.920]  The over-projecting is not going to work?
[00:43.980 --> 00:45.140]  I'll try to stand here then.
[00:45.580 --> 00:46.760]  I'll try really hard.
[00:47.480 --> 00:48.720]  Oh, that's going to be tough.
[00:49.340 --> 00:51.400]  I walk in the aisles and things like that.
[00:51.580 --> 00:51.720]  Alright.
[00:55.640 --> 01:03.040]  Even if we have completely random data sets, shoved at us, our brains want to make sense of them, right?
[01:03.180 --> 01:04.780]  We want to organize it.
[01:04.880 --> 01:05.960]  We want to systemize it.
[01:06.020 --> 01:09.340]  We want to turn it into a symbol of some sort so that we can understand what it is.
[01:11.180 --> 01:12.380]  What's the first thing you see there?
[01:13.540 --> 01:14.260]  A face.
[01:14.600 --> 01:15.720]  A cardboard box.
[01:15.820 --> 01:16.580]  Another image file.
[01:19.220 --> 01:21.280]  I think this is a good trait to have, right?
[01:21.360 --> 01:23.000]  For little kids, this is pretty important.
[01:23.000 --> 01:27.880]  I think seeing a face, if you're a baby, you're getting this stream of data you've never processed before.
[01:28.400 --> 01:30.280]  Seeing a face is pretty important.
[01:30.540 --> 01:33.720]  We've got a good shot that that face is going to give you food somehow, right?
[01:35.800 --> 01:36.740]  How about that one?
[01:38.000 --> 01:39.060]  Baby with a mustache.
[01:40.000 --> 01:41.680]  Baby with a mustache.
[01:43.560 --> 01:52.900]  This is supposedly, supposedly, this is an aerial shot of a farm field in Hungary somewhere.
[01:54.560 --> 01:59.560]  I looked at it upside down for a little bit and I thought it looked like a donkey, but there it is.
[02:02.140 --> 02:02.780]  That's me.
[02:02.940 --> 02:04.500]  There's no apophenia in that one.
[02:04.760 --> 02:05.540]  That's my face.
[02:05.620 --> 02:06.380]  I should tell you who I am.
[02:06.420 --> 02:07.240]  My name's Will Lindsey.
[02:07.240 --> 02:09.020]  I'm an educator.
[02:09.620 --> 02:11.080]  I'm a media artist.
[02:11.460 --> 02:19.840]  Most of my work revolves around how we use technology, how it changes society and culture, how our culture and society changes technology.
[02:20.700 --> 02:23.440]  Beyond that, I consider myself a hacker.
[02:23.780 --> 02:32.500]  I use that version of the word, meaning I like to take things apart and put them back together the wrong way and use them for something else.
[02:32.960 --> 02:34.640]  I do a little bit of electronics.
[02:34.640 --> 02:38.360]  I do some DIY and open source electronics online.
[02:39.080 --> 02:45.340]  And there may be a couple of you out here, but I'm a kind of avid shortwave radio guy, too.
[02:45.560 --> 02:45.820]  Right?
[02:46.280 --> 02:47.060]  A couple?
[02:47.300 --> 02:47.540]  Okay.
[02:48.240 --> 03:01.220]  For the non-shortwave people, I'm fairly interested in this idea of what we call DXing, which means listening for a really weak signal that's probably too far away for the radio technology to carry it very well.
[03:02.260 --> 03:04.780]  I've always been interested in that ever since I was a little kid.
[03:06.160 --> 03:11.460]  Accidentally hearing Cuba jumble in over my father's classic rock station or something.
[03:12.680 --> 03:16.220]  One of the things that I got interested in is kind of this portability.
[03:17.080 --> 03:26.280]  And one of the things that happens in technology when we talk about the history of technology is as the technologies, I won't say radio is about to die, but some people feel that way.
[03:26.740 --> 03:33.140]  As technologies kind of get at the end of their curve of acceptance, one of the things that happens to them is they get really cheap.
[03:33.440 --> 03:33.680]  Right?
[03:33.980 --> 03:35.860]  So, if you think about the wristwatch.
[03:35.960 --> 03:36.380]  Anybody in here?
[03:36.500 --> 03:38.040]  How many people are wearing a wristwatch in the room?
[03:39.060 --> 03:40.680]  Yeah, this is an odd crowd.
[03:40.900 --> 03:41.060]  Wow.
[03:42.200 --> 03:43.840]  A lot of wristwatches in here.
[03:44.340 --> 03:45.680]  Cell phone comes around.
[03:45.680 --> 03:48.080]  Everyone checks what time it is on their cell phone.
[03:48.360 --> 03:49.700]  People are wearing less wristwatches.
[03:50.320 --> 03:51.880]  What happens to the wristwatch market?
[03:52.100 --> 03:53.360]  Two things happen to it.
[03:53.460 --> 03:56.980]  One, people start collecting really, really expensive wristwatches.
[03:57.300 --> 03:58.920]  And sometimes old ones.
[03:59.320 --> 04:02.740]  And then you can get one in a gumball machine for 50 cents.
[04:02.940 --> 04:03.000]  Right?
[04:03.160 --> 04:06.360]  So, the manufacturing gets really cheap.
[04:06.360 --> 04:08.100]  The market gets oversaturated.
[04:08.280 --> 04:10.080]  This is starting to happen with radio right now.
[04:10.080 --> 04:13.460]  And I started taking an interest in these cheap radios.
[04:13.680 --> 04:16.020]  This is a RadioShack 20-125.
[04:18.040 --> 04:19.320]  And it's shortwave.
[04:19.400 --> 04:20.740]  And I have one right here.
[04:20.860 --> 04:21.520]  It's very small.
[04:21.720 --> 04:22.720]  I'm pouring water into it.
[04:23.220 --> 04:24.640]  I'm sure it'll work later.
[04:25.880 --> 04:26.600]  They're small.
[04:26.600 --> 04:28.580]  It's kind of amazing what they've packed into this.
[04:28.640 --> 04:29.920]  It has a little scan feature.
[04:29.920 --> 04:31.280]  I don't even have to turn the knob.
[04:31.380 --> 04:34.300]  I can just push the button and it'll tune for me and try to find the next station.
[04:35.020 --> 04:39.660]  Whenever I get a piece of crap like this, the first thing that I like to do with it is take it apart.
[04:39.660 --> 04:42.120]  And so, inevitably, I'll take it out of the box.
[04:42.140 --> 04:46.000]  I'll stare at the screws on the back for a little bit after I turn it on and give it a test drive.
[04:46.160 --> 04:47.180]  And then I'll Google it.
[04:47.480 --> 04:49.560]  And this was a particularly interesting one.
[04:49.680 --> 04:54.820]  When I Googled it, it turned out there was a whole community of people who are already hacking the heck out of these things.
[04:55.780 --> 04:58.100]  They were doing something really strange to it.
[04:58.180 --> 04:59.780]  They were taking the scan feature.
[04:59.800 --> 05:00.760]  You push a button.
[05:00.940 --> 05:04.600]  It goes to the nearest strong station, and you listen to that station.
[05:04.780 --> 05:07.040]  And if you push it again, it'll go to the next strong station.
[05:07.140 --> 05:08.140]  You listen to that station.
[05:09.300 --> 05:16.620]  There's all these hacks published all over the web for this and a whole bunch of different RadioShack radios that kill the scanning system.
[05:17.140 --> 05:20.740]  It basically, when it gets to a strong station, it ignores it.
[05:20.820 --> 05:23.880]  It plays about a tenth of a second of it and then it just goes to the next one.
[05:23.980 --> 05:26.160]  And it scans and scans and scans forever.
[05:28.120 --> 05:28.520]  Interesting.
[05:28.840 --> 05:32.300]  Not anything I would ever want in a radio, but there it is.
[05:32.300 --> 05:39.980]  And a little bit of investigation and Googling kind of led me to why somebody would want that.
[05:40.240 --> 05:45.180]  I'm going to play a video and kind of give you guys the rabbit hole that got me involved in this.
[05:45.680 --> 05:47.040]  And we'll take it from there.
[05:50.730 --> 05:52.810]  I might have to flex with the audio a little bit.
[05:52.810 --> 05:53.370]  I apologize.
[05:53.630 --> 05:54.770]  I'm not sure what's going on up here.
[05:56.610 --> 05:58.710]  Do I have external volume up here?
[06:01.010 --> 06:01.590]  You did?
[06:01.730 --> 06:02.090]  That's good.
[06:03.570 --> 06:04.770]  This is too quiet.
[06:05.010 --> 06:05.670]  Let's see what I got.
[06:14.340 --> 06:15.600]  You're not getting any audio.
[06:15.720 --> 06:16.300]  That's no fun.
[06:24.600 --> 06:27.120]  This is going to be a long one with no audio.
[06:28.120 --> 06:28.760]  Bear with me.
[06:30.100 --> 06:32.140]  Do you put your laptop at the beaks from home?
[06:32.960 --> 06:33.240]  Yeah.
[06:33.840 --> 06:33.920]  Okay.
[06:34.540 --> 06:35.960]  And then...
[06:35.960 --> 06:36.740]  Where does that go?
[06:36.860 --> 06:37.620]  I swear I do.
[06:38.420 --> 06:38.680]  Do you?
[06:39.240 --> 06:40.140]  It doesn't go.
[06:43.980 --> 06:45.020]  It goes...
[06:45.580 --> 06:46.740]  It goes in.
[06:48.640 --> 06:49.160]  Two.
[06:50.540 --> 06:51.740]  Huge pile of cables.
[06:59.020 --> 07:00.860]  I definitely have it in the right place.
[07:01.020 --> 07:02.120]  Is there volume out here?
[07:03.200 --> 07:04.380]  Do you guys have a live audio?
[07:04.440 --> 07:06.060]  Is it the gigabit switch?
[07:06.340 --> 07:07.960]  Just hold the mic up to the speakers?
[07:07.960 --> 07:09.460]  Hold the mic up to the speakers?
[07:10.120 --> 07:12.120]  That adds a whole new level to this.
[07:12.260 --> 07:12.720]  I like that.
[07:13.840 --> 07:15.100]  I really like that.
[07:15.220 --> 07:15.820]  I'll do that.
[07:16.700 --> 07:17.920]  Wow, that's fabulous.
[07:23.820 --> 07:24.900]  Can you guys hear that?
[07:26.100 --> 07:27.000]  That's awesome.
[07:33.700 --> 07:34.520]  Of course.
[07:38.270 --> 07:40.170]  I touched the laptop in the video.
[07:40.770 --> 07:42.350]  There's not much to look at anyway.
[07:46.220 --> 07:47.400]  Can you guys hear that at all?
[07:54.640 --> 07:59.880]  I'll talk over a little bit and kind of narrate it to give you a sense of what's going on.
[08:00.680 --> 08:04.960]  There are tons of these videos on YouTube right now.
[08:05.260 --> 08:13.700]  If you go to YouTube and you look up EVP, and EVP stands for electronic voice phenomenon.
[08:13.700 --> 08:36.020]  And the idea is if our spirit or personality, or however you want to play this out, goes beyond, you die, that potentially there may be some kind of spirit left that gives you the power to manipulate electromagnetic waves.
[08:36.300 --> 08:37.900]  That's the gist of it.
[08:37.900 --> 08:53.740]  And so a bunch of people are going to RadioShack buying these, snipping a wire in it so it scans continuously, and listening to the output of it in order to have a conversation with those personalities.
[08:56.860 --> 09:01.740]  It's a little hard, and I have some better examples later, and maybe we can get the audio worked out by then.
[09:33.220 --> 09:35.820]  So there's a voice in there that's the operator.
[09:35.940 --> 09:37.400]  The operator's asking questions.
[09:38.120 --> 09:43.840]  And then the radio's scanning through hundreds of, you know, theoretically hundreds of channels.
[09:44.220 --> 09:46.720]  And little fragments of words are coming out.
[09:46.920 --> 09:52.160]  And the idea is that maybe there's some kind of intelligent power that can grab...
[09:52.160 --> 09:53.200]  You're talking in real time.
[09:53.560 --> 09:56.240]  We can hear you loud and clear as we talk.
[09:57.080 --> 09:57.900]  That's it.
[10:01.880 --> 10:04.440]  I'm very interested in the style of it.
[10:04.660 --> 10:10.020]  There's something that's happening here with the culture of YouTube and Windows Movie Maker.
[10:11.200 --> 10:14.460]  People being a little afraid to make fun of ghost radios.
[10:15.200 --> 10:18.060]  So they take themselves pretty seriously sometimes.
[10:18.760 --> 10:20.400]  I'll talk a little more about that in a minute.
[10:21.100 --> 10:21.580]  So...
[10:22.480 --> 10:26.740]  Image is another model, RadioShack radio, another cheap one that they've done this too.
[10:32.300 --> 10:34.440]  Alright, let me get back on course here.
[10:36.360 --> 10:37.860]  Um, this is big.
[10:38.040 --> 10:39.180]  I don't watch much TV.
[10:39.220 --> 10:43.060]  And I should have, because apparently they use these things on pop TV all the time.
[10:43.440 --> 10:48.320]  Um, there's a whole group of ghost hunting shows that have been out in the last couple of years.
[10:48.320 --> 10:52.440]  Um, they try to take a very, uh, very scientific approach to it.
[10:52.600 --> 10:55.660]  Uh, and of course they use technology, because that's scientific.
[10:56.260 --> 10:58.620]  Um, and so these show up a lot.
[10:58.620 --> 11:02.340]  And recorders and various meters and things that can detect ghosts.
[11:02.900 --> 11:05.800]  Um, this is really interesting to me.
[11:05.980 --> 11:07.920]  I mean, this is, this is almost mimetic, right?
[11:08.020 --> 11:11.600]  This is just kind of people passing the idea over the Internet.
[11:11.800 --> 11:16.380]  And with a little bit of instruction, Hey, I'll go into my living room, I'll talk to my dead grandfather.
[11:16.940 --> 11:20.060]  Um, I wanted to look into the history of this.
[11:20.180 --> 11:27.820]  When I started asking people online about it, it turns out that the history to EVP, to using this type of technology, is more of a mythology.
[11:28.360 --> 11:31.580]  Um, and so I really wanted to crack into this and see where it came from.
[11:32.000 --> 11:41.720]  Um, I can't go the whole way through it, but roughly, uh, post-Civil War, up through the 1920s, spiritualism was very big in the U.S.
[11:41.720 --> 11:49.100]  Um, there were seances, um, there were mediums, and communicating with the dead was a pretty big part of pop culture.
[11:49.760 --> 11:51.900]  Uh, I haven't really determined why.
[11:52.040 --> 11:53.680]  I'm sure other people have at this point.
[11:54.420 --> 11:59.280]  Um, at the same time, this is an interesting era in technology history, right?
[11:59.340 --> 12:01.980]  Some of our biggest inventions are kind of in that era.
[12:02.340 --> 12:13.080]  Uh, and of course, when you think about these inventors, this is Thomas Edison, they're doing something that nobody's ever seen before with a piece of equipment, and it must seem a little bit like magic.
[12:13.100 --> 12:16.460]  It must seem a little bit like a medium or like talking to ghosts.
[12:16.660 --> 12:18.000]  So what's the difference, right?
[12:18.500 --> 12:30.540]  Um, one of the pieces of mythology I found was really interesting was people, uh, had decided that Thomas Edison was later in his life building a telephone to talk to the dead, right?
[12:30.980 --> 12:36.340]  And, uh, I found this fabulous little quote out of, uh, Scientific American.
[12:36.340 --> 12:44.760]  He says, I've been thinking for some time of a machine or apparatus which could operate by personalities which have passed on to another existence or sphere.
[12:45.220 --> 12:47.640]  And the whole community just holds this up.
[12:47.760 --> 12:48.940]  Like, this has been around forever.
[12:49.260 --> 12:54.360]  There have been people working on radios to talk to the dead since the beginning of radios, since the beginning of electricity.
[12:54.900 --> 13:01.760]  Um, later on in the same article, he says, uh, you know, I don't claim that our personalities pass on to another existence.
[13:02.060 --> 13:05.420]  Uh, I don't claim anything because I don't know anything about the subject.
[13:05.420 --> 13:15.500]  Um, which kind of tells me that the, probably the reporter, the guy who was asking him the questions, wanted to know what he thought about this thing that was all over pop media at the time.
[13:16.260 --> 13:20.620]  Uh, Tesla, Tesla gets called out for this all the time.
[13:21.280 --> 13:23.520]  Uh, Marconi gets called out for this all the time.
[13:24.720 --> 13:31.900]  I believe, I firmly believe that these guys, when they were getting into the beginnings of radio, were hearing signals that they could not explain.
[13:32.120 --> 13:34.100]  And they probably sounded a lot like voices.
[13:34.100 --> 13:35.820]  And they may have even been voices.
[13:35.820 --> 13:39.860]  And they may have even been voices from other people trying to invent radio at the same time.
[13:40.080 --> 13:41.260]  I really believe that.
[13:41.740 --> 13:48.340]  Um, I could not find any evidence that Tesla or Marconi believed that there were dead people using radios.
[13:48.340 --> 13:49.620]  Or using radio signals.
[13:50.240 --> 13:56.480]  Um, it, the funniest thing I found was that Tesla came out at one point saying he thought they were coming from Mars.
[13:56.720 --> 13:58.820]  Which, to me, is a little more believable, too.
[13:58.820 --> 13:59.520]  So...
[14:02.060 --> 14:03.080]  1920s came about.
[14:03.260 --> 14:07.840]  For some reason, the spiritualism in our culture, kind of, it didn't end.
[14:07.840 --> 14:11.200]  But it, it, it flaked out a little bit.
[14:11.820 --> 14:13.360]  Um, this is Harry Houdini.
[14:13.840 --> 14:17.420]  Um, and again, I couldn't pinpoint one reason that caused that.
[14:17.540 --> 14:19.080]  But I thought he was kind of interesting.
[14:19.300 --> 14:20.800]  Very popular figure at the time.
[14:21.400 --> 14:22.820]  Magician, escape artist.
[14:23.100 --> 14:27.600]  And apparently, early in his career, when you couldn't make a buck as a musician, he was a medium.
[14:27.900 --> 14:28.360]  Right?
[14:29.940 --> 14:32.760]  So, you can kind of guess the truth behind that.
[14:33.040 --> 14:39.360]  Um, he went on later in his career to, uh, he got a lot of joy out of taking the press to seances.
[14:39.660 --> 14:41.800]  Or taking, sometimes, the police to seances.
[14:42.080 --> 14:44.860]  And debunking them so it would get all over the newspaper.
[14:45.360 --> 14:47.060]  Um, really interesting end to his career.
[14:47.160 --> 14:51.400]  And I think in the late 1920s, I think we were probably ready for that.
[14:51.860 --> 14:53.900]  Um, I'll whip through some of this history.
[14:53.980 --> 14:55.260]  I know I got a late start here.
[14:55.900 --> 14:58.800]  Um, as often happens in technology.
[14:58.820 --> 14:59.480]  Technology history.
[14:59.680 --> 15:01.660]  We skip over the Great Depression.
[15:01.960 --> 15:05.920]  Because nobody was spending money on consumer electronics or consumer technology.
[15:06.580 --> 15:08.440]  Uh, and we skip over World War II.
[15:08.680 --> 15:11.920]  Because there was only one entity spending a lot of money on these technologies.
[15:12.540 --> 15:14.900]  Um, and we'll just jump past all that.
[15:17.280 --> 15:20.480]  Um, this guy here is Friedrich Jurgensen.
[15:20.980 --> 15:23.880]  Um, I'm gonna try to play some clips of his.
[15:24.020 --> 15:25.980]  And a lot of these characters I bring up speak German.
[15:26.280 --> 15:30.820]  If you know German and you, and I'm missing the point of something, please hit me up later.
[15:30.860 --> 15:32.120]  I'd like to find out more about it.
[15:32.900 --> 15:35.660]  Um, Jurgensen was a Swedish filmmaker.
[15:35.660 --> 15:38.240]  Uh, they consider him the father of EVP.
[15:38.420 --> 15:40.520]  The, the first person to really stumble into this.
[15:41.080 --> 15:46.320]  Uh, apparently, so his story goes, or so the way he tells his story, is he was making a film.
[15:46.320 --> 15:50.440]  And he wanted to record, uh, birds chirping for the soundtrack in the film.
[15:50.440 --> 15:54.780]  Um, so he goes off to his summer home, or wherever, and off into the fields.
[15:55.040 --> 15:59.600]  And takes a tape recorder, an analog tape recorder, and starts recording birds.
[16:00.340 --> 16:05.020]  And when he plays them back, he thinks he hears his name.
[16:05.840 --> 16:09.760]  Uh, when I talked about apophenia in the beginning, I talked about the clouds.
[16:09.980 --> 16:10.960]  And I think we all do that.
[16:11.060 --> 16:13.880]  We all can kind of see images where images don't happen.
[16:14.140 --> 16:16.380]  There's an audio version of apophenia.
[16:16.520 --> 16:18.460]  And I think probably everybody's experienced it.
[16:18.460 --> 16:20.620]  Um, you're pounding away at an important email.
[16:20.620 --> 16:22.660]  You're typing something, and you hear your phone ring.
[16:23.000 --> 16:24.720]  And you check your phone, and it didn't ring.
[16:25.040 --> 16:26.440]  Anybody experienced that before?
[16:26.780 --> 16:31.220]  Or somebody in the other room called your name, and then you, you finish what you're doing, and you say, what, what?
[16:31.340 --> 16:32.240]  And they're like, what?
[16:32.500 --> 16:33.760]  I didn't call you, right?
[16:34.220 --> 16:37.540]  Um, I was camping many years ago down in Georgia.
[16:37.840 --> 16:41.460]  And, uh, there was this little bird that I swear was going, cheeseburger!
[16:42.700 --> 16:43.100]  Cheeseburger!
[16:43.360 --> 16:43.520]  Right?
[16:43.640 --> 16:46.700]  And anybody who lives south of the Mason-Dixon knows this bird.
[16:46.700 --> 16:49.280]  It's like Carolina Wren, the cheeseburger bird, right?
[16:49.580 --> 16:51.800]  Um, so we have this audio version of this.
[16:51.900 --> 16:55.340]  So I firmly believe he heard his name on these tapes, right?
[16:55.840 --> 16:57.600]  Um, he got a little obsessed with it.
[16:57.700 --> 17:00.080]  And he taped, and taped, and taped, and taped.
[17:00.340 --> 17:04.660]  And he started listening not to what he was taping, but what was in between what he was taping.
[17:04.900 --> 17:12.800]  And he'd take the bits of silence that was in between sounds, audio sounds, and he'd re-record them to another tape player so he could amplify them.
[17:12.800 --> 17:15.760]  And then he'd take that one and amplify it again, and so forth.
[17:15.860 --> 17:18.380]  And now he's listening to little pieces of static.
[17:18.980 --> 17:21.700]  That sounded an awful lot like people talking, right?
[17:22.360 --> 17:26.360]  Uh, so much so he wrote a book about it, right?
[17:26.460 --> 17:30.360]  This one's, uh, voice transmissions with the deceased.
[17:30.580 --> 17:32.660]  The English version, I think, was published in 81.
[17:32.960 --> 17:34.500]  There might have been an earlier version of that.
[17:34.940 --> 17:37.200]  Um, this is a pretty big deal.
[17:37.340 --> 17:43.740]  I want to play a little piece of this, so you can get a sense of what these voices sound like, so you can hear, you know, maybe what he heard.
[17:44.260 --> 17:49.000]  Uh, in, uh...
[17:49.000 --> 17:50.700]  I mean, I missed the date of this one.
[17:50.700 --> 17:51.980]  You can hit me up later for it.
[17:52.160 --> 17:58.260]  There was a German documentary called Last Gate to Eternity that was about him, um, as the father of EVP.
[17:58.560 --> 18:04.240]  Uh, I have no idea what he's saying, but I, I can guesstimate from hearing other tapes like this in English.
[18:04.520 --> 18:08.240]  Uh, and it gives you a sense of what he heard and what he got so excited about.
[18:11.680 --> 18:12.640]  I'll do it again.
[18:12.920 --> 18:13.700]  This is German.
[18:14.000 --> 18:15.080]  Hear the radio.
[18:22.520 --> 18:24.140]  I have Dovino.
[18:24.480 --> 18:24.860]  Do you hear it?
[18:25.360 --> 18:26.580]  It's like crunchy static.
[18:26.820 --> 18:30.620]  This is what the all the excitement is about.
[18:30.620 --> 18:30.660]  Yeah.
[18:30.920 --> 18:31.220]  No.
[18:32.320 --> 18:32.880]  No.
[18:33.060 --> 18:34.620]  No, I can do it again.
[18:35.000 --> 18:35.560]  No.
[18:49.070 --> 18:49.630]  No.
[18:50.890 --> 18:51.450]  No.
[18:53.130 --> 18:53.690]  No.
[18:53.690 --> 18:53.730]  No.
[18:53.730 --> 18:53.770]  No.
[18:53.770 --> 18:53.970]  No.
[18:54.790 --> 18:55.350]  No.
[19:01.200 --> 19:05.480]  That's pretty, uh, pretty typical in EVP culture.
[19:05.860 --> 19:19.380]  Uh, two things you'll hear over and over uh, throughout the rest of my, uh, demos, um, Uh, people firmly believe that you can't naturally hear these voices, And that you have to learn a skill to hear them, to hear what they're saying, right?
[19:19.620 --> 19:27.140]  And so the two things that happen a lot is people like to, one, slow them down, and two, repeat them over and over and over, put them in a loop, right?
[19:27.340 --> 19:32.220]  And if you hear anything 15 times, I think you'll start to hear something else in there.
[19:32.640 --> 19:33.680]  It's better or not.
[19:33.960 --> 19:34.860]  Or not.
[19:37.960 --> 19:39.420]  I'll jump forward a little bit.
[19:39.520 --> 19:44.280]  This is another character in this kind of long history, Konstantin Radiv.
[19:44.420 --> 19:45.280]  He's Latvian.
[19:45.420 --> 19:47.160]  I'm sure I'm punishing that name badly.
[19:48.340 --> 19:48.860]  Radiv.
[19:48.860 --> 19:49.380]  Radiv.
[19:51.300 --> 19:55.380]  He encountered Jurgensen's book, was really interested in it.
[19:55.460 --> 19:58.980]  He was a psychologist, Latvian psychologist.
[19:59.500 --> 20:04.040]  I think what he was most interested in was how serious the guy was about it, right?
[20:04.360 --> 20:10.340]  He firmly believed that underneath it the guy might be a skeptic and that he really believed he experienced this.
[20:10.340 --> 20:14.900]  So he went to meet him and have an EVP session with him.
[20:15.120 --> 20:17.720]  And they did a session and he couldn't hear anything.
[20:17.920 --> 20:19.720]  He could not hear these voices, right?
[20:20.080 --> 20:26.280]  And they talked and talked and talked and he still really believed in this or believed that Jurgensen believed in it.
[20:26.400 --> 20:36.120]  And so he started thinking about ways to extract the audio out of the signal so that you're only left with that other noise that we're trying to get to, right?
[20:36.120 --> 20:42.660]  And he published a series of circuits for other people to start experimenting with this.
[20:43.060 --> 20:45.120]  This is three different circuits.
[20:45.800 --> 20:49.200]  They get referred to nowadays as the Radiv diode receiver.
[20:49.960 --> 20:51.380]  They're fairly interesting.
[20:51.640 --> 20:52.900]  I'll jump up here for a second.
[20:53.560 --> 21:00.880]  The gist of it is there is an antenna that receives this electromagnetic energy that spirits are controlling.
[21:01.360 --> 21:04.120]  It gets processed into audio by this diode.
[21:04.120 --> 21:06.340]  It goes through a little tuning circuit.
[21:06.520 --> 21:09.000]  Or in the case of these, an untuning circuit.
[21:09.240 --> 21:10.580]  I'll talk about that in a minute.
[21:10.580 --> 21:12.900]  And then pumps out to the tape recorder.
[21:13.640 --> 21:24.020]  Now, one of the things I thought was interesting about Jurgensen that Radiv didn't pick up on is he thought it was possible that the tape recorder itself might be acting as a radio receiver.
[21:24.260 --> 21:24.420]  Right?
[21:24.500 --> 21:27.600]  You get some kind of harmonics in there and you get a signal.
[21:27.760 --> 21:29.840]  Like you hear the stories about radio and you're filling.
[21:30.060 --> 21:31.080]  That kind of idea.
[21:32.720 --> 21:40.700]  So, this may be the receiver or they may have been using really good or bad tape recorders to do this.
[21:41.500 --> 21:45.540]  Radio people are probably already laughing about this.
[21:45.760 --> 21:49.300]  The circuit on the right is a crystal radio.
[21:49.460 --> 21:51.320]  This is a very early history of radio.
[21:51.760 --> 21:53.820]  A non-powered radio receiver.
[21:53.940 --> 21:54.500]  No batteries.
[21:54.620 --> 21:55.740]  This is cool stuff, right?
[21:55.740 --> 22:00.360]  And radio waves that come from a radio transmitter that I intentionally broadcast.
[22:00.360 --> 22:01.620]  A radio signal.
[22:02.100 --> 22:03.220]  Come into the antenna.
[22:03.500 --> 22:07.120]  Get tuned through that coil looking thing and a capacitor.
[22:07.580 --> 22:12.480]  And get converted to audio and dumped out to some headphones or do an amplifier or something like that.
[22:13.060 --> 22:15.960]  Boy, they look suspiciously similar to each other.
[22:17.220 --> 22:23.200]  And I think deep underneath it all, and especially later in his career, I think he realized that he reinvented the radio.
[22:25.040 --> 22:28.060]  To talk to the dead, but the radio.
[22:28.880 --> 22:35.660]  Interestingly, I did some formulas to kind of figure out what frequencies the original designs were on, and they're all over the map.
[22:36.120 --> 22:42.040]  The most common one is well below the AM band, where we don't really do much down there.
[22:42.300 --> 22:47.380]  Supposedly, in World War II, they transmitted to submarines and things like that.
[22:48.180 --> 22:48.460]  VLF.
[22:49.000 --> 22:50.720]  Can you use that for submarines, too?
[22:50.960 --> 22:51.520]  Submarines.
[22:53.720 --> 22:55.360]  They still, that's interesting.
[22:57.260 --> 22:57.880]  Got ya.
[22:59.600 --> 23:01.360]  Like all these guys, he published a book.
[23:04.080 --> 23:05.040]  Something to that.
[23:05.980 --> 23:09.260]  This one, it came with a flappy record in the back.
[23:09.360 --> 23:10.640]  I'm going to play a little piece of that.
[23:10.900 --> 23:12.100]  How am I doing on time?
[23:13.000 --> 23:17.900]  You've got about, let's say, 15 minutes to play.
[23:18.340 --> 23:18.800]  15?
[23:19.280 --> 23:19.960]  15, yeah.
[23:20.340 --> 23:20.520]  Not leaving.
[23:20.660 --> 23:22.160]  It's 36 down to the hour now.
[23:22.380 --> 23:22.880]  Oh, okay.
[23:23.120 --> 23:23.300]  Yeah.
[23:24.200 --> 23:24.660]  Okay.
[23:25.740 --> 23:26.760]  Yeah, I'll play a little bit.
[23:26.800 --> 23:27.680]  Play it faster now.
[23:27.880 --> 23:28.600]  Play it faster now.
[23:28.600 --> 23:29.260]  Play it faster, I know.
[23:29.560 --> 23:31.480]  I'm such a storyteller, I'm sorry.
[23:31.480 --> 23:33.580]  I'll play a little piece of this.
[23:37.720 --> 23:39.340]  German and Latvian.
[23:39.500 --> 23:41.480]  So many times what you're about to hear.
[23:41.720 --> 23:42.540]  Terribly bad.
[23:44.620 --> 23:51.120]  A voice, later identified as that of a man who lived and died in a place called Kierenbach
[24:02.220 --> 24:04.320]  He's starting to really sound like voice.
[24:05.460 --> 24:07.620]  And they might have been.
[24:08.780 --> 24:12.320]  German, wait for Walter from Kierenbach.
[24:13.740 --> 24:16.800]  A voice called James Joyce.
[24:16.800 --> 24:18.300]  Winston Churchill makes a noise.
[24:18.960 --> 24:20.540]  Not that he would be on the radio.
[24:24.400 --> 24:25.700]  Just the same signal.
[24:27.320 --> 24:35.840]  One of the things that happened around this time that I find pretty interesting is people started to get criticism about the radio connection.
[24:36.480 --> 24:42.280]  And what I've read over and over is that people believe that that was actually a good thing, right?
[24:42.280 --> 24:48.560]  And that this extra noise helps us define missing parts and information that we can't quite hear.
[24:48.780 --> 25:01.000]  This is referred to in other sciences as stochastic resonance, where you add noise into a data set to get the data to be more apparent, right?
[25:03.600 --> 25:07.400]  That book came out in 1971, or it went to English in 1971.
[25:07.400 --> 25:28.040]  And not coincidentally, this gentleman, William O'Neill, he was a radio amateur, he was an electronics repairman, he did radio in the Navy before that, he started using a shortwave single-sideband receiver, a special shortwave receiver that he could communicate with the dead.
[25:28.040 --> 25:32.200]  Now, he would talk out loud, and then the dead would radio to him, right?
[25:32.420 --> 25:35.200]  He had a little help designing the system that he's using.
[25:35.320 --> 25:37.580]  This is a picture of one of the iterations of it right here.
[25:37.900 --> 25:39.500]  And he was helped by this man.
[25:39.640 --> 25:40.920]  This is George Mueller.
[25:41.340 --> 25:43.340]  George Mueller worked for NASA, right?
[25:43.420 --> 25:45.240]  So this must have been pretty important stuff.
[25:45.840 --> 25:50.600]  The only real catch being, George Mueller died four years earlier.
[25:52.960 --> 26:00.060]  And apparently, apparently O'Neill could already talk to the dead before the radio business came about.
[26:00.220 --> 26:03.320]  They were just telling him how to make it so other people could hear them, right?
[26:03.660 --> 26:04.600]  This makes sense.
[26:06.020 --> 26:08.000]  There's this guy who kind of helped him out with it.
[26:08.080 --> 26:08.720]  He discovered him.
[26:08.860 --> 26:10.400]  This gentleman is George Meek.
[26:11.100 --> 26:14.980]  George Meek was the president of something called Metiscience Foundation.
[26:15.720 --> 26:19.840]  And he went and he did research and experiments with O'Neill for many years.
[26:20.040 --> 26:24.380]  In 1978, he published a manual so other people could start doing it.
[26:24.960 --> 26:26.180]  This has diagrams.
[26:26.180 --> 26:28.120]  This tells you what radios to use.
[26:28.120 --> 26:31.900]  It gives a lot of explanation of maybe the spiritual side of it.
[26:32.280 --> 26:36.040]  It gives a lot of just documentation of interviews they had with dead people.
[26:37.420 --> 26:39.060]  I think my favorite... I'm sorry.
[26:39.160 --> 26:40.960]  This is one of the receivers they use.
[26:40.960 --> 26:42.920]  This is the last one called the Mark IV.
[26:43.400 --> 26:46.320]  And probably the most well-known one out of the batch.
[26:46.540 --> 26:48.580]  And probably looks familiar to the radio people again.
[26:50.920 --> 26:54.900]  One of the things I found most interesting about this was the copyright notice.
[26:55.080 --> 26:57.020]  The copyright notice said there's no copyright.
[26:57.720 --> 27:04.320]  What it said is Meek says, I believe there are these layers to the astral plane that you go to when you die.
[27:04.500 --> 27:09.480]  And if you're the type of person who's going to rip off the technology and not give credit, you're going to get stuck in the red one.
[27:11.660 --> 27:14.320]  This is one of the best copyright pages I've ever seen.
[27:14.520 --> 27:16.460]  The SpearCon manual is online.
[27:16.820 --> 27:18.760]  I think I might start using it for my work.
[27:20.580 --> 27:23.700]  This is a diagram of how the Mark IV works.
[27:24.000 --> 27:25.380]  This is pretty interesting.
[27:26.040 --> 27:29.560]  It starts with the tone generator, makes a sine wave, like a carrier wave.
[27:29.560 --> 27:32.760]  They then broadcast it into the room through a transmitter.
[27:33.020 --> 27:33.940]  One foot.
[27:34.580 --> 27:35.780]  And then they receive it.
[27:35.860 --> 27:39.320]  One foot later through a radio receiver.
[27:39.820 --> 27:43.000]  And then they broadcast it out to a speaker.
[27:43.540 --> 27:47.740]  Very possibly the Spearix could modulate the radio waves.
[27:48.120 --> 27:50.840]  Or they could modulate the sound in the room.
[27:51.200 --> 27:54.720]  So it went into the room where the operator, Emil, could hear it.
[27:54.900 --> 27:58.900]  And then it gets picked up by a mic, put on the tape recorder, and given to the world as evidence.
[27:59.380 --> 27:59.500]  Right?
[28:01.740 --> 28:02.100]  Okay.
[28:03.360 --> 28:05.280]  I'm going to play a piece of this real quick.
[28:05.500 --> 28:07.300]  I'm going to play a couple short clips back to back.
[28:07.580 --> 28:09.400]  So you can hear what this one sounded like.
[28:09.400 --> 28:13.020]  This was released with the SpearCon book at a press conference.
[28:15.380 --> 28:17.520]  Three, four, five.
[28:18.100 --> 28:19.740]  You sound more like a robot.
[28:20.940 --> 28:22.440]  There's a ghost on the carrier wave.
[28:23.080 --> 28:24.220]  I'm going to turn it back.
[28:24.440 --> 28:25.840]  I got that very much.
[28:26.060 --> 28:27.620]  I'm going to turn it back again.
[28:29.940 --> 28:31.320]  Y'all give me a count of five.
[28:31.860 --> 28:35.780]  Four, two, three, four, five.
[28:36.560 --> 28:37.080]  Again.
[28:52.360 --> 28:56.160]  There's another guy in the story, of course.
[28:57.020 --> 28:57.660]  Oh, yeah.
[28:57.720 --> 28:58.900]  And they made a book out of it, right?
[29:00.760 --> 29:01.860]  There's another guy.
[29:02.460 --> 29:03.800]  Let me pull this up real quick.
[29:03.940 --> 29:04.740]  Steven Rourke.
[29:05.340 --> 29:07.120]  Art Bell fans may recognize that name.
[29:07.780 --> 29:09.800]  He's one of the people who collected evidence.
[29:10.500 --> 29:12.380]  I think he just collected evidence.
[29:12.520 --> 29:15.820]  I don't think he had an opinion on the, you know, how the U.S. hoaxed the moon landing.
[29:17.260 --> 29:19.100]  He didn't really believe in the SpearCon.
[29:19.260 --> 29:23.760]  And he did a lot of research on the SpearCon to figure out, you know, what was really going on here.
[29:24.520 --> 29:25.840]  He found out a couple things.
[29:26.400 --> 29:28.720]  There were document videotapes of O'Neill.
[29:29.220 --> 29:30.980]  This was at the end of one of the tapes.
[29:30.980 --> 29:34.260]  It turns out O'Neill was a practice ventriloquist.
[29:35.300 --> 29:37.680]  And was really good at having conversations with himself.
[29:38.880 --> 29:40.800]  There was some other evidence to that.
[29:41.100 --> 29:44.860]  He also noticed that O'Neill never had his...
[29:44.860 --> 29:46.160]  He never faced the camera.
[29:46.400 --> 29:48.320]  He always had his back to the camera.
[29:48.580 --> 29:50.720]  Yes, I'm talking to the dead over here.
[29:50.920 --> 29:51.640]  Never mind me.
[29:51.640 --> 29:51.760]  Right?
[29:52.220 --> 29:52.640]  Right?
[29:54.080 --> 29:58.020]  He also thought that O'Neill might have owned this thing called an electrolarynx.
[29:58.460 --> 30:00.700]  And some of you may have recognized the sound already.
[30:00.880 --> 30:01.060]  Right?
[30:01.500 --> 30:05.060]  So if you have damage to your vocal cords, you can hold this off and it'll vibrate for you.
[30:05.920 --> 30:08.420]  And let me pull up a couple more audio pieces.
[30:08.560 --> 30:09.500]  This is kind of interesting.
[30:11.340 --> 30:15.840]  This is work found better quality tapes in the archive.
[30:16.380 --> 30:18.000]  If you'll excuse me, sir.
[30:18.580 --> 30:22.300]  Believe me, I wish I could stay here all night and all day every day.
[30:22.480 --> 30:25.660]  But I do have to get some rest, sir.
[30:25.660 --> 30:26.760]  And I'm very tired.
[30:27.100 --> 30:30.640]  If you have no objection, sir, I'd like to go to bed and get some rest.
[30:30.820 --> 30:31.880]  Very well, William.
[30:32.220 --> 30:33.640]  Why don't you hear that?
[30:34.460 --> 30:36.180]  Go to bed and get some rest.
[30:36.620 --> 30:37.540]  Okay, doctor.
[30:38.060 --> 30:39.540]  Well, I'll go ahead and show...
[30:40.040 --> 30:40.440]  Yeah.
[30:41.220 --> 30:49.720]  Later on, Fate Magazine, kind of ghost spooky magazine, hired a guy to see if he could make the same sounds using electro larynx.
[30:49.720 --> 31:01.140]  Now, I'm going to read a brief passage for you with the electro larynx held in front of my lip.
[31:13.480 --> 31:19.280]  I don't know if I completely trust all of work's research, but that's kind of interesting right there.
[31:22.560 --> 31:25.940]  He had some other things that he dredged up.
[31:26.100 --> 31:30.700]  He thought that George Meek here was in cahoots with Anil, that this was all faked.
[31:31.740 --> 31:36.860]  Jim McDonnell of McDonnell Douglas was pouring 50 grand into this project.
[31:38.280 --> 31:40.940]  The spirit comms, you could buy one for 10 grand.
[31:40.940 --> 31:46.220]  So there was a lot of money to be had in here in through the 70s, which is kind of interesting.
[31:46.840 --> 31:55.380]  He also thought that Meek was in cahoots with, oh yeah, the Department of Justice, the CIA, the FBI.
[31:56.260 --> 32:02.700]  I don't know why any of those organizations would want ghosts to talk to us, but he believed it.
[32:03.300 --> 32:08.480]  And he filed for a Freedom of Information Act, and they actually had records on the guy.
[32:08.640 --> 32:09.640]  So there's something out there.
[32:09.680 --> 32:12.480]  I've never seen any of the product results of that.
[32:14.820 --> 32:16.220]  That guy I've shown you already.
[32:16.920 --> 32:18.280]  I'll try to go a little faster here.
[32:18.560 --> 32:19.960]  Klaus Schreiber, 1985.
[32:22.180 --> 32:26.700]  Retired guy, last four of his life, four years of his life, he discovered that he could bend spoons.
[32:27.380 --> 32:29.700]  He got into Jurgensen recording a little bit.
[32:29.860 --> 32:30.520]  He heard voices.
[32:30.520 --> 32:35.040]  One of the voices he heard said, Klaus, we're working on television.
[32:35.540 --> 32:39.540]  So he decided he better get a TV camera and start figuring out how to receive.
[32:39.840 --> 32:47.160]  A lot of these folks believe that spirits on the other side were scientists and were building gizmos to talk to us.
[32:47.380 --> 32:48.600]  They really believed it.
[32:48.720 --> 32:54.160]  And he, a couple times, mentions things like a TV station on the other side, right?
[32:55.340 --> 32:57.940]  This is a great system he worked out here.
[32:59.400 --> 33:04.300]  This is, from his notes, a camera pointing at a TV.
[33:04.660 --> 33:11.100]  The signal from the camera goes through a converter box to the TV it's pointing at.
[33:11.100 --> 33:16.100]  This is called video feedback from the 60s, from the gloves at Acid Hay Days, right?
[33:16.680 --> 33:26.100]  And then when it was done, they would take the tape out of there and they would move it over here, play it on another TV, point the camera at that one, and play it one frame at a time really slow.
[33:26.600 --> 33:28.520]  TV is normally 30 frames per second.
[33:28.660 --> 33:30.020]  This is one frame per second.
[33:30.020 --> 33:32.080]  So you can see what's going on in slow motion.
[33:32.420 --> 33:33.040]  Pretty cool.
[33:33.300 --> 33:37.780]  This diagram also has an ultraviolet light and a roll of tin foil.
[33:38.300 --> 33:42.400]  Which you chose to mark on, I don't know why, I don't know what it's used for.
[33:42.520 --> 33:44.080]  I'm still kind of researching that one.
[33:44.760 --> 33:44.980]  Hats!
[33:44.980 --> 33:45.240]  What's that?
[33:45.400 --> 33:45.720]  Hats?
[33:45.900 --> 33:46.380]  Hats!
[33:46.780 --> 33:48.260]  I hadn't thought of that.
[33:49.720 --> 33:50.540]  And it worked.
[33:51.020 --> 33:53.660]  He got an image of his daughter, his deceased daughter.
[33:56.280 --> 33:58.740]  Theoretically this thing didn't receive TV signals.
[33:59.400 --> 34:03.380]  This is kind of the same way I feel about the radio, but I'll just say that because that's what he says.
[34:04.000 --> 34:07.760]  This is a movie star, Austrian actress Rami Schneider.
[34:08.000 --> 34:10.260]  There'd never be a movie star on TV, but...
[34:12.300 --> 34:13.260]  Anybody recognize him?
[34:13.820 --> 34:16.900]  No, I look like a nip cow disc on TV.
[34:18.920 --> 34:19.920]  The nip cow disc.
[34:20.420 --> 34:21.560]  Oh yeah, I know.
[34:22.180 --> 34:23.180]  Yeah, the nip cow disc.
[34:24.120 --> 34:25.840]  It does, you're right.
[34:26.080 --> 34:27.520]  Albert Einstein, theoretically.
[34:28.820 --> 34:31.480]  This is the King Ludwig II of Bavaria.
[34:32.800 --> 34:34.240]  I don't know why he'd be on TV.
[34:36.060 --> 34:37.400]  I'm going to bypass these.
[34:37.500 --> 34:38.900]  I think those images are pretty strong.
[34:39.260 --> 34:42.460]  There are some samples you can find on the Internet of these coming into actualization.
[34:45.000 --> 34:48.040]  I'll move forward to about 1995, 2000.
[34:48.420 --> 34:49.740]  This is a guy named Frank Sumption.
[34:50.280 --> 34:51.540]  I might be pronouncing that wrong.
[34:51.960 --> 34:52.680]  Frank, are you in the room?
[34:53.560 --> 34:54.700]  Still alive, I gotta ask.
[34:56.140 --> 34:57.420]  He's a radio amateur.
[34:57.640 --> 35:05.040]  He got interested in this Pop Electronics article from 1995 where you could build your own ghost receiver.
[35:05.720 --> 35:09.520]  And tomorrow afternoon at 4 o'clock I'm giving a workshop to do that.
[35:09.720 --> 35:15.620]  I've modified it so you can attach it to your iPhone or Android phone and see if the Hotel Pennsylvania is haunted.
[35:17.840 --> 35:19.820]  Anytime 4 to 7 I'll be down there doing that.
[35:19.980 --> 35:21.040]  It's based off of this circuit.
[35:22.120 --> 35:23.800]  He built one of these and it didn't work.
[35:24.380 --> 35:26.280]  And he threw it on a shelf and that was the end of that.
[35:26.280 --> 35:28.540]  Five years later he started thinking about it again.
[35:28.640 --> 35:29.480]  He hopped around the Internet.
[35:29.900 --> 35:32.760]  He found some software called EVP Maker.
[35:32.980 --> 35:33.500]  It's free.
[35:33.660 --> 35:34.380]  You can download it.
[35:34.600 --> 35:36.780]  What it does is it records audio coming in.
[35:36.860 --> 35:38.380]  It slices it into a million pieces.
[35:38.600 --> 35:41.860]  And then the ghosts, the spirits can reorder them to say things.
[35:42.180 --> 35:42.580]  Right?
[35:42.720 --> 35:47.540]  So it's this idea of pulling random bits coming back again and reordering them intelligently.
[35:47.540 --> 35:50.620]  Uh, and he went about building a radio.
[35:51.260 --> 35:53.600]  Uh, these get called Frank's boxes.
[35:53.940 --> 35:55.540]  He's built almost 200 of them.
[35:56.220 --> 35:57.480]  Um, they're pretty interesting.
[35:57.640 --> 35:58.740]  I have a diagram of one of them.
[35:58.820 --> 36:00.640]  Now the diagram is changed with each one.
[36:00.880 --> 36:04.240]  Uh, you're gonna recognize some things from what I've shown earlier.
[36:05.060 --> 36:12.300]  Um, the part that's different is there's a sweep generator here or a randomizer that's making the radio tune all over the dial really quickly.
[36:12.700 --> 36:12.800]  Right?
[36:13.560 --> 36:15.700]  Uh, then that goes to the receiver.
[36:15.700 --> 36:18.760]  The receiver receives real radio signals.
[36:18.920 --> 36:20.260]  Not, not ghost signals.
[36:20.420 --> 36:20.900]  Real ones.
[36:21.500 --> 36:23.580]  In tiny little tenth of a second fraction.
[36:24.260 --> 36:33.380]  Uh, and then for some reason he thought we should spit that out into the speaker into an empty space and record it again just in case the ghosts are doing their thing with sound waves.
[36:34.180 --> 36:37.840]  Uh, and then he amplifies it and he records it and listens to it.
[36:37.940 --> 36:38.800]  Pretty straight forward.
[36:39.660 --> 36:42.820]  Uh, a little pricey as you could guess.
[36:42.820 --> 36:46.840]  But he's made, again, uh, over a hundred of them.
[36:46.960 --> 36:47.500]  Almost two hundred.
[36:48.060 --> 36:49.680]  Um, he sells them.
[36:49.780 --> 36:51.840]  There's a little bit of a collector cache to it.
[36:52.640 --> 36:57.960]  Uh, he also helped kind of organize, uh, the online activity that's going on right now.
[36:58.040 --> 36:59.220]  There's a community doing this.
[36:59.480 --> 37:02.800]  Uh, and there's some forums out there that you can hop on and you can talk to Frank.
[37:03.240 --> 37:05.660]  Um, this is Steve, uh, Hulte.
[37:05.820 --> 37:07.140]  I'm probably butchering that one too.
[37:07.540 --> 37:08.300]  Steve, are you out there?
[37:09.280 --> 37:09.960]  Gotta ask.
[37:10.020 --> 37:10.600]  They could be here.
[37:11.040 --> 37:17.680]  Um, Steve is the guy who figured out how to do the same thing with a $20 radio shot.
[37:18.440 --> 37:20.600]  And this just catapulted it, right?
[37:21.220 --> 37:22.920]  Oh, how am I on time?
[37:23.360 --> 37:27.400]  Um, I think that we usually close at about 10 till, so if you wanna wrap it up.
[37:27.400 --> 37:28.120]  Wrap it up.
[37:28.300 --> 37:28.520]  Okay.
[37:28.920 --> 37:30.920]  Um, he sells some radios.
[37:31.740 --> 37:33.760]  I'll play, I'll play one or two of these.
[37:34.000 --> 37:36.880]  Um, you guys can type EVP into YouTube.
[37:37.560 --> 37:40.420]  Um, but just to give you a sense of what else is out there.
[37:40.840 --> 37:43.000]  And are you doing your performance immediately after this?
[37:43.140 --> 37:43.740]  I'm gonna try.
[37:43.860 --> 37:45.760]  I gotta run to the fourth floor and grab some equipment.
[37:46.160 --> 37:47.800]  Uh, I have a bunch of this equipment.
[37:47.800 --> 37:54.720]  Uh, I'm gonna set it loose down, uh, where you come up from the escalator into the mezzanine for about an hour, we talked about.
[37:55.460 --> 37:57.480]  Uh, and see what happens.
[37:57.720 --> 37:59.640]  I'm gonna use Schreber's video feedback.
[38:00.340 --> 38:06.580]  Um, I have a, uh, resonance producer that shoots some static in there.
[38:06.760 --> 38:09.420]  I have a new one which I didn't get a chance to talk about.
[38:09.580 --> 38:20.500]  This is a fairly new idea where, uh, random, uh, electromagnetic energy collected on an untuned antenna goes to a tiny voice processor and spits out a computer voice.
[38:21.560 --> 38:23.660]  What does it feel like to be in heaven?
[38:24.700 --> 38:25.600]  I'm sorry, what's that?
[38:25.760 --> 38:26.820]  Many of you have been happy.
[38:27.280 --> 38:29.120]  You have so much high RF density.
[38:29.520 --> 38:30.920]  How can you possibly differentiate?
[38:31.220 --> 38:31.460]  Yeah.
[38:34.020 --> 38:36.240]  I agree with you so much, I'm not even gonna answer.
[38:37.500 --> 38:39.500]  Yeah, you are absolutely right.
[38:40.040 --> 38:41.420]  Yeah, you're absolutely right.
[38:43.320 --> 38:45.220]  I could say that about Ohio, too.
[38:45.220 --> 38:47.240]  I mean, there's a lot going on out there.
[38:50.040 --> 38:51.080]  Is it beautiful?
[38:52.460 --> 38:53.700]  They're so serious.
[38:58.640 --> 38:59.520]  Everybody hear that?
[39:02.800 --> 39:03.320]  Yeah.
[39:09.140 --> 39:10.940]  The recorder's name is Raven.
[39:11.440 --> 39:13.340]  Everybody hears their name the first time.
[39:13.560 --> 39:14.900]  I've noticed this in all these videos.
[39:15.180 --> 39:16.360]  Everybody hears their name.
[39:16.360 --> 39:17.240]  Hello.
[39:20.660 --> 39:26.400]  The thing in what you're listening here is they're adding technology on top of it.
[39:26.560 --> 39:34.860]  I can't quite hear the voice from the spirits, so I'm gonna run it into an audio editor and clean it up until it sounds like the voice I heard.
[39:36.060 --> 39:37.680]  That's the new thing that's going on.
[39:37.680 --> 39:44.660]  And so you'll see a lot of these, when you do this on YouTube, you'll see a lot of these spectrograms, these audio signals up here.
[39:45.780 --> 39:47.200]  I ran myself out.
[39:48.500 --> 39:51.740]  Sample audio from these machines for the next hour down in the mezzanine.
[39:52.120 --> 39:53.240]  Workshop from four to seven.
[39:53.400 --> 39:54.020]  You can build your own.
[39:54.020 --> 39:59.020]  I have about 30 kits, iPhone, Android tested on.
[39:59.180 --> 40:01.160]  I have a laptop version if you want to do that instead.
[40:01.720 --> 40:04.320]  About 12 bucks for these little kits.
[40:04.820 --> 40:06.660]  Take maybe 20 minutes to make.
[40:07.060 --> 40:10.300]  And I'm just gonna let people play with you for a few hours and hang out.
[40:10.600 --> 40:11.080]  Tonight?
[40:11.660 --> 40:13.440]  That's tomorrow from four to seven.
[40:14.260 --> 40:15.220]  After the keynote and all that.
[40:15.420 --> 40:15.660]  All right.
[40:16.640 --> 40:17.120]  Questions?
[40:17.920 --> 40:19.480]  I may not have any answers.
[40:19.700 --> 40:20.320]  I'm still learning.
[40:21.900 --> 40:22.380]  Yeah?
[40:22.380 --> 40:24.320]  Have the spirits ever spoken to you?
[40:24.920 --> 40:27.380]  Oh, I was afraid you were gonna answer that.
[40:28.940 --> 40:29.940]  Slowly, honestly.
[40:30.440 --> 40:31.040]  All right.
[40:31.240 --> 40:34.220]  Honestly, I did more LSD than Timothy Leary when I was young.
[40:35.140 --> 40:37.100]  So I don't think I can give you an honest answer.
[40:38.940 --> 40:40.660]  I don't believe that.
[40:41.220 --> 40:43.220]  But I sometimes hear stuff.
[40:43.480 --> 40:43.620]  Yeah.
[40:45.300 --> 40:47.120]  But I don't believe they're talking to me.
[40:47.540 --> 40:48.740]  Was that the other question?
[40:48.900 --> 40:49.100]  Yeah.
[40:49.920 --> 40:56.640]  Actually, I just said it's more like a warning as to what happens when you start trying to find stuff in stat.
[40:58.300 --> 41:01.180]  Personally, I'm working in a research lab.
[41:01.500 --> 41:03.420]  And I look at images all day.
[41:03.560 --> 41:05.940]  I'm looking for patterns.
[41:06.320 --> 41:11.320]  And a lot of times I find myself wondering if what I'm looking at is something I'm just imagining.
[41:11.720 --> 41:13.520]  And a lot of times I find out I'm correct.
[41:13.720 --> 41:18.020]  Which is why I'm actually taking the task of automating everything because I can't trust myself.
[41:18.020 --> 41:19.440]  That's a very good point.
[41:19.820 --> 41:23.080]  So do you know of any good ways of doing a reality check?
[41:23.540 --> 41:24.620]  Put it on YouTube?
[41:25.120 --> 41:25.600]  Yeah.
[41:26.400 --> 41:30.020]  This community uses each other as the reality check.
[41:31.140 --> 41:33.000]  I don't know if I trust that one either.
[41:33.000 --> 41:34.000]  But it's...
[41:35.040 --> 41:36.640]  Unfortunately, it's all empirical.
[41:37.020 --> 41:39.080]  And that's, you know, what you see is what you get.
[41:39.100 --> 41:41.340]  So all you can do is really have somebody else look at it.
[41:41.940 --> 41:43.740]  The science is a little loose.
[41:44.400 --> 41:44.800]  There...
[41:44.800 --> 41:45.700]  I should mention that though.
[41:45.800 --> 41:46.420]  That was interesting.
[41:46.880 --> 41:47.920]  Visualization of waterfalls.
[41:48.460 --> 41:51.200]  If you guys want to Google something called ITC Bridge.
[41:51.580 --> 41:54.640]  There's a thing that's been out there since 2008 called the stream.
[41:55.300 --> 41:58.040]  Somebody has detuned a radio between stations.
[41:58.280 --> 41:59.480]  Put it in a shed in their backyard.
[41:59.760 --> 42:01.080]  Put a microphone in the shed.
[42:01.200 --> 42:02.340]  Ran a wire to their house.
[42:03.000 --> 42:04.680]  Ran it through a spectrum...
[42:04.680 --> 42:06.240]  A spectrograph visualizer.
[42:06.720 --> 42:08.440]  And threw it up on Ustream.
[42:08.720 --> 42:09.900]  And it's been around the clock.
[42:10.940 --> 42:14.940]  And he says he doesn't want people to listen for voices in there.
[42:15.040 --> 42:16.400]  And man, it sounds like voices.
[42:17.120 --> 42:18.980]  He wants you to look at the spectrogram.
[42:19.120 --> 42:22.700]  Because he thinks that the spirits are learning to photograph themselves.
[42:23.440 --> 42:25.700]  And so you're supposed to look for their faces in it.
[42:25.940 --> 42:27.420]  Another interesting use of this.
[42:27.880 --> 42:29.420]  So that should probably be...
[42:29.420 --> 42:29.820]  That's it.
[42:30.020 --> 42:30.640]  We're done.
[42:30.780 --> 42:31.180]  Thanks, guys.
[42:31.440 --> 42:33.280]  If you have more questions, I'll be downstairs.
[42:39.200 --> 42:42.020]  I should ask, is there anybody officially emceeing this floor right now?
[42:42.140 --> 42:42.400]  In this room?
[42:42.400 --> 42:42.840]  No?
[42:43.040 --> 42:43.120]  Okay.
[42:44.160 --> 42:45.100]  Join Will on the...