[00:00.000 --> 00:01.640] Thanks for, guys, coming out today. [00:01.800 --> 00:03.740] This is the Hacketeer premiere. [00:03.940 --> 00:07.540] And I thought I would just start with just a few brief words about who I am. [00:08.200 --> 00:09.280] My name's John Threat. [00:09.600 --> 00:10.760] I directed it. [00:10.860 --> 00:12.600] It's called Hacketeer. [00:12.740 --> 00:22.920] It follows the adventures of three hackers who show you how to hack or build cool tech things, but they don't just leave it there. [00:23.080 --> 00:32.420] Then they go out and show you how to use it in the real world, all while being chased by a quasi-government agency who is basically out to kill them. [00:33.320 --> 00:50.460] In the process of the show, there's actually other elements, such as they actually interview some of the top tech people around the world, as well as some nefarious hackers who also, some of them, I don't know, maybe I used to hack with them, go to jail with them, [00:50.540 --> 00:51.080] that sort of thing. [00:51.080 --> 00:53.700] So I, myself, used to be a hacker. [00:53.820 --> 00:56.000] I used to break systems. [00:56.320 --> 00:58.700] And I'm going to show you a little bit about it. [00:58.760 --> 01:02.880] And then afterward, I'll take some questions and we'll talk about it a little bit. [01:02.920 --> 01:09.720] And then maybe I'll even, I could be goaded into drinking this beer that's hidden under here and start really talking about illegal stuff. [01:09.720 --> 01:16.060] So, um, with that, uh, why don't we, uh, crank it up. [01:21.070 --> 01:21.510] Okay. [01:22.290 --> 01:25.430] Then I'm going to have to get out of this f*cking chair! [01:26.010 --> 01:27.350] And, sorry, what, some second. [01:30.420 --> 01:31.940] Yeah, you're not getting a chance. [01:32.100 --> 01:32.340] Okay, [01:38.180 --> 01:39.680] this blue screen is part of it. [01:39.840 --> 01:40.700] And here we go. [01:47.140 --> 01:49.640] Nerdy shit out of stick hackers! [01:50.040 --> 01:54.940] Then I'm going to have to get out of this f*cking chair and join myself! [01:56.460 --> 02:01.660] That, I assure you, will be completely unnecessary. [02:28.820 --> 02:30.580] Just between you and me. [02:32.620 --> 02:34.220] What is it they're after? [02:35.980 --> 02:37.240] I don't know. [02:38.800 --> 02:39.460] Yet. [03:29.060 --> 03:30.760] Today we make a graph mag. [03:30.900 --> 03:32.140] The future of graffiti. [03:32.500 --> 03:33.200] Right here. [03:33.380 --> 03:34.000] Check it out. [03:34.380 --> 03:35.360] This is crack. [03:36.000 --> 03:37.580] To make one you need... [03:37.580 --> 03:37.900] Number one. [03:38.080 --> 03:39.880] An assortment of LED lights. [03:40.180 --> 03:40.720] Number two. [03:40.940 --> 03:41.820] Lithium batteries. [03:42.500 --> 03:43.340] Number three. [03:43.560 --> 03:45.020] Rare earth magnets. [03:45.500 --> 03:46.240] Number four. [03:46.440 --> 03:46.780] Tape. [03:47.040 --> 03:48.500] To hold the whole shit together. [03:48.740 --> 03:50.720] Take the LED and attach them to that room. [03:50.840 --> 03:52.060] Next we attach magnets. [03:52.260 --> 03:53.060] Then we put tape. [03:54.100 --> 03:55.020] Graph mag. [03:55.220 --> 03:56.860] You've invented the portable light bright. [03:56.860 --> 03:56.960] All right. [03:57.140 --> 03:57.820] Well done. [03:58.420 --> 03:58.600] Phew. [03:59.740 --> 04:09.000] Now you can throw your tags up and express your proletary attacks on the metallic structures of the bourgeois without destroying the environment via CFCs from a spray can. [04:09.000 --> 04:10.460] Let's rock. [04:30.300 --> 04:31.440] Monster cool. [04:31.900 --> 04:33.600] I got a better way to do it. [04:37.460 --> 04:38.420] Shoot them. [04:38.680 --> 04:39.900] If you got them. [04:39.900 --> 04:41.220] I say. [04:41.560 --> 04:43.060] Let's abscond, shall we? [04:49.430 --> 04:52.250] We still need more data before we can start. [04:53.090 --> 04:54.350] Next on the list. [04:54.710 --> 04:55.530] Phiber Optik. [04:55.790 --> 04:55.950] What? [04:56.390 --> 04:57.670] The retired Uber hacker? [04:58.650 --> 04:58.970] Da. [04:59.370 --> 05:00.070] Let's get him. [05:13.560 --> 05:16.940] Tell us what this hacking shit is all about. [05:16.940 --> 05:25.160] It's an idea that information about technology should be accessible to anyone who wants access to it. [05:25.500 --> 05:33.300] Anyone who believes that they can take that technology and use it for some positive goal is a hacker. [05:33.300 --> 05:35.420] And this activity is hacking. [05:35.500 --> 05:37.280] Why the nom de plume of Phiber Optik? [05:37.660 --> 05:44.320] When I first chose to handle Phiber Optik, it was an up and coming technology most people had never heard about. [05:44.940 --> 05:50.600] And that's how I saw myself as representing something that was on the cusp, on the cutting edge. [05:50.660 --> 05:54.640] In some circles, you are elite hacking guys. [05:54.660 --> 05:58.980] There's certainly others, but I would definitely consider myself among them. [05:59.180 --> 06:02.880] Are you a good hacker or a bad hacker? [06:02.880 --> 06:12.120] Hacking is a skill that can be used for good or bad, and it really depends on the intentions and the motivations of the person who uses this skill. [06:12.480 --> 06:14.600] Is there some kind of hacking ethic? [06:14.940 --> 06:16.620] And what do you think of it? [06:17.280 --> 06:32.200] There were those of us who adhered to a higher ethic once we identified what our skills were and that they did come with an obvious amount of responsibility. [06:32.200 --> 06:33.400] Have you ever done any real hacking? [06:33.760 --> 06:40.060] I mean, the genuine stuff, not the mamby-pamby-poncy, oh, I defaced a website in the name of extinct pandas. [06:40.320 --> 06:42.220] No, but the real hardcore stuff. [06:42.680 --> 06:44.600] Real as in illegal? [06:45.020 --> 06:46.200] Come on with it! [06:46.200 --> 06:56.560] The thing to remember is, early on, when we first started gaining access to systems that were not ours, this type of activity was not illegal. [06:56.860 --> 06:59.940] There were no specific computer crime laws, per se. [07:00.200 --> 07:03.680] In your experience, what country has the best security? [07:03.680 --> 07:09.140] I could easily say from personal experience where the worst security is, and that's probably in Asia. [07:09.320 --> 07:13.360] Western Europe is certainly a lot more advanced when it comes to security. [07:13.620 --> 07:16.580] And in a perfect world, it would be nice if in the U.S. we could have hackers and the media reporting on security threats, as well as security organizations and the government, all taking part in securing the country, protecting its citizens from technological threats. [07:33.940 --> 07:39.900] High and more direct, what are the easiest kinds of companies to hack? [07:40.180 --> 07:45.220] I've seen security flaws in many different types of companies. [07:45.360 --> 07:48.820] I wouldn't say it was really restricted to any one particular type. [07:49.100 --> 07:50.680] What kind of systems do you like to hack? [07:50.900 --> 07:55.360] In the past, one of our most favorite things to hack was probably the telephone network. [07:55.360 --> 08:00.280] The phone system was always far ahead as far as technology went. [08:00.380 --> 08:10.980] The laboratories in the past, historically, they've come out with some of the biggest breakthroughs in scientific history. [08:11.240 --> 08:12.560] You have new project. [08:12.960 --> 08:13.940] Tell us about them. [08:14.240 --> 08:15.040] Project MF. [08:15.240 --> 08:16.540] Project Motherf*cker. [08:16.660 --> 08:17.960] Now that's a project for me. [08:18.040 --> 08:27.000] MF actually refers to the multi-frequency tones that were used to signal between systems, and switches on the old telephone network. [08:27.220 --> 08:34.620] I thought it would be a really great idea if I could create some kind of simulation whereby someone would be able to blue box again. [08:35.400 --> 08:46.840] And it would also allow an entire new generation of hackers or phone phreaks, or even just history buffs, to be able to experience what it was like to actually engage in this activity. [08:46.840 --> 08:55.960] The EFF says the AT&T had been a bit naughty and given NSA access to conduct illegal wiretaps. [08:56.620 --> 08:58.520] They could have just used us. [08:58.640 --> 09:06.840] Well, I wasn't exactly super pleased when I heard that AT&T was taking over Singular, who is my current provider. [09:07.500 --> 09:11.380] Interestingly enough, the iPhone is exclusively on their network. [09:11.540 --> 09:20.940] Why does the NSA want to listen in on these lamers, drama on about their blogs and these little Craigslist postings? [09:21.780 --> 09:22.720] What do you think? [09:22.920 --> 09:27.820] I don't know if I believe it to be a conspiracy, and if it is a conspiracy, who is it a conspiracy between? [09:28.280 --> 09:30.180] Is it between Apple and AT&T? [09:30.400 --> 09:34.420] And are we now saying that Apple is also cooperating with the government? [09:34.420 --> 09:37.900] Do you have their own Wikipedia page? [09:38.220 --> 09:41.060] Do you think you are some kind of big shit? [09:41.420 --> 09:44.840] I certainly didn't add the page for myself. [09:45.060 --> 09:45.700] Someone else did. [09:46.300 --> 09:49.120] So I guess I'm honored that I'm in there. [09:49.440 --> 09:52.620] Certainly people of far less importance in Wikipedia. [09:53.620 --> 09:56.040] Are you doing any hacking now? [09:56.620 --> 09:58.000] What kind of hacks? [09:58.460 --> 09:59.440] The good stuff? [09:59.660 --> 10:01.220] Or poser hacks? [10:02.060 --> 10:03.560] Speed it out already. [10:03.560 --> 10:06.720] Really, you know, one could say I hack for a living. [10:08.280 --> 10:18.690] Nowadays, I mean, on occasion, if I am doing a security type job, I like to do a lot more security architecture. [10:19.480 --> 10:30.700] I prefer to design things in a secure manner, rather than being called in to do a security review and pick away at all the things I see that other people have done wrong. [10:30.980 --> 10:33.660] What do you do when you're not hacking? [10:33.820 --> 10:36.960] I certainly enjoy music of various kinds. [10:39.460 --> 10:42.140] I like the outdoors, I like... [10:42.140 --> 10:42.540] Enough! [10:43.400 --> 10:45.400] I've grown weary of your cislous brattle. [11:38.270 --> 11:40.830] Good day, Mr. Palisades. [11:40.830 --> 11:42.170] Oh, Ms. Drew. [11:43.270 --> 11:43.990] Wait. [11:45.650 --> 11:46.430] I'll see. [11:48.930 --> 11:51.690] I understand you have something for me. [12:01.660 --> 12:02.800] I see. [12:03.120 --> 12:03.860] I see. [12:04.220 --> 12:05.120] I see. [12:06.120 --> 12:06.240] I see. [12:07.840 --> 12:13.720] I'd like to prevent any further embarrassment to our betters, if you know what I mean. [12:14.760 --> 12:15.780] You get my drift. [12:31.250 --> 12:35.450] I want you to catch those hacketeers. [12:37.750 --> 12:38.830] At any cost. [12:41.190 --> 12:42.390] At any cost. [12:42.910 --> 12:45.140] At any cost. [12:45.140 --> 12:45.420] At any cost. [12:45.720 --> 12:47.600] I'll need a few things. [12:49.500 --> 12:50.960] We all need something! [12:56.780 --> 12:58.960] I'm gonna send you to see a man. [13:02.030 --> 13:04.450] This man will get you all what you need. [13:06.770 --> 13:07.370] Results. [13:09.210 --> 13:10.210] That is what I need. [13:11.230 --> 13:12.170] I'll get lost. [13:20.330 --> 13:21.870] Whilst I enrich myself. [13:51.320 --> 13:52.480] F*cking full, sir. [13:58.630 --> 13:59.230] Cool. [13:59.410 --> 13:59.670] Thank you. [13:59.750 --> 14:00.730] You guys are too kind. [14:00.850 --> 14:01.330] Too kind. [14:02.750 --> 14:05.290] So, just a little bit about the series. [14:05.830 --> 14:12.310] What it is it about is to endeavor to make a series that really does multiple things, right? [14:13.030 --> 14:21.110] One of the hardest things is how do you do a hacker series that really, really encapsulates the experience, you know? [14:21.290 --> 14:23.950] I myself used to be like more of a systems breaker. [14:24.110 --> 14:25.290] I used to break into computers. [14:25.570 --> 14:27.910] And I can talk about it since I actually... [14:29.810 --> 14:33.370] There's certain crimes I did that are in the public domain, sort of. [14:34.230 --> 14:35.630] When we used to hack, you know? [14:35.750 --> 14:36.390] I mean, what can you do? [14:36.610 --> 14:38.210] We did time for it. [14:38.550 --> 14:40.590] But one of the things is, you know, we broke systems. [14:41.030 --> 14:43.330] You know, the three-letter agencies. [14:44.490 --> 14:48.970] I remember in particular one of the networks, what was it? [14:50.790 --> 14:51.930] The NSA, right? [14:52.490 --> 14:56.110] The NSA was hidden on this network that we got access to. [14:56.110 --> 14:59.130] It was listed as a fishing company. [14:59.270 --> 15:01.930] Because the host system was DOCKMASTER. [15:02.590 --> 15:04.090] But it was listed as a fishing company. [15:04.090 --> 15:07.810] But we thought it was odd that generals were logging into a fishing company. [15:07.970 --> 15:09.670] Like, I know they have varied interests. [15:10.170 --> 15:12.070] And sure enough, we looked in there. [15:12.090 --> 15:13.930] Next thing you know, NSA, boop, jail. [15:14.590 --> 15:14.990] So... [15:16.350 --> 15:18.370] That's a logical... [15:18.370 --> 15:19.390] Actually, no. [15:19.510 --> 15:23.870] Actually, the truth is that hacking government agencies, they never f*cking know. [15:24.170 --> 15:25.290] You hack, like, a school. [15:25.470 --> 15:25.930] I don't know. [15:26.130 --> 15:30.450] The guy who's there, who's, like, the head of IT, is like, I got to get these guys. [15:30.670 --> 15:33.270] But, like, the government, they never know all the time. [15:33.370 --> 15:33.690] Banks? [15:33.830 --> 15:34.230] Who knows? [15:34.590 --> 15:36.230] But, you know, so... [15:37.010 --> 15:43.690] What I thought was, like, I'd like to encapsulate some of these stories that I did. [15:43.690 --> 15:47.310] Like, I used to work for an agency, right? [15:48.490 --> 15:52.490] And one time, there was a system that we wanted to... [15:52.490 --> 15:54.690] I had to get this system in, right? [15:54.690 --> 15:55.630] I had to prove something. [15:56.190 --> 15:57.810] So, I couldn't get... [15:57.810 --> 15:58.290] I could... [15:58.290 --> 16:01.010] For some reason, I couldn't get root on this system. [16:01.170 --> 16:02.170] It was really frustrating. [16:02.270 --> 16:02.410] No. [16:02.550 --> 16:07.930] The problem was I could get root, but the guy was on the system 24 hours a day. [16:07.990 --> 16:10.610] So, there was no window to do what I had to do. [16:10.610 --> 16:12.430] So, what I did was I... [16:13.790 --> 16:15.750] I eschewed into a... [16:16.590 --> 16:23.230] I checked the email and noticed that there was a female employee there who he liked and had a crush on. [16:23.450 --> 16:33.190] So, I sort of eschewed as the user and I chatted to him over a series of days and, you know, convinced him that I was, you know, interested in him. [16:35.290 --> 16:39.890] And needless to say, I mean, you know, this is for the craft, of course. [16:43.250 --> 16:49.050] I was able to, you know, get him to masturbate over chat on the UNIX. [16:49.050 --> 16:52.490] And needless to say, he let me do anything I want you to do. [16:52.910 --> 16:53.950] So, I was dead. [16:54.410 --> 16:54.430] Woo! [16:55.030 --> 16:55.630] There you go. [16:55.790 --> 16:56.410] /etc/shadow. [16:56.630 --> 16:56.930] Thank you. [16:57.230 --> 16:58.010] So, like... [16:59.230 --> 17:01.470] But the point is that, like, there was this... [17:01.470 --> 17:10.870] All these stories from years of sort of breaking computers and in the next phase working for detective agencies and stuff. [17:11.390 --> 17:16.210] You know, shit, I've even had some friends that worked for Rambam that was talking right there. [17:16.210 --> 17:17.330] Excellent talk over there. [17:17.430 --> 17:17.930] Excellent talk. [17:18.950 --> 17:21.430] And, you know, I myself worked for a detective agency. [17:21.870 --> 17:27.970] So, but the point is, though, that I wanted to find a way to bring all that in. [17:28.110 --> 17:30.610] Like, you know, you've seen movies like, what was it? [17:30.650 --> 17:32.050] I actually like Swordfish. [17:32.730 --> 17:34.350] But, you know, it's a lot of bullshit. [17:34.630 --> 17:39.770] Like, they go in, the person goes in, and they're like, this is just not a computer with ten screens. [17:40.270 --> 17:40.630] No! [17:41.130 --> 17:42.870] It has an OC3 uplink. [17:42.990 --> 17:44.230] And it's like, that's bullshit. [17:44.230 --> 17:45.230] Like, you know, this... [17:45.230 --> 17:46.570] I remember, anybody here remember? [17:46.710 --> 17:48.370] They used to tell you like, oh, if you've... [17:48.370 --> 17:50.570] I've got a 96,000 board modem. [17:50.750 --> 17:53.050] You only have a 2,400 board modem. [17:53.210 --> 17:54.350] You suck, dude. [17:54.510 --> 17:55.450] You're gonna get caught. [17:55.570 --> 17:57.950] Cause I hacked faster at 96 board. [17:58.110 --> 17:59.430] Like, that was like total bullshit. [17:59.690 --> 18:03.390] But actually, I think I did... that did kind of... [18:03.390 --> 18:05.170] Well, no, what I used to do was... [18:05.170 --> 18:06.690] I would... I had... [18:06.690 --> 18:09.030] I started hacking on a Commodore 64, right? [18:09.470 --> 18:12.110] So I didn't really have, like, a buffer, per se. [18:12.330 --> 18:16.950] So what I would do is, I'd hook a VCR up to the television. [18:17.130 --> 18:19.970] So I would just cat, like, every file on the system. [18:20.150 --> 18:23.970] And then I would just use the remote to go through it looking for passwords. [18:24.370 --> 18:25.870] Brrr, brrr, brrr. [18:26.610 --> 18:27.270] Ah, there we go. [18:27.350 --> 18:27.790] Seriously, man. [18:28.050 --> 18:29.270] So like, that would be my thing. [18:29.370 --> 18:33.390] But I figured, you know, let me take that and put that into this series. [18:33.390 --> 18:38.250] And then also, too, like, a lot of times, you go to talks and you see these tech guys. [18:38.270 --> 18:39.710] And they're great. [18:39.850 --> 18:42.790] I mean, they're demonstrative when you're talking to them one-on-one. [18:42.790 --> 18:43.650] They're so passionate. [18:43.870 --> 18:46.670] And then when you see them in an interview, they're like... [18:46.670 --> 18:51.510] Because the interviewer usually doesn't even know what to ask them about hacking. [18:51.650 --> 18:52.890] Like, I plan to ask... [18:54.010 --> 18:57.790] We have a vent surf in another episode. [18:57.790 --> 19:02.930] And I'm planning to ask Kevin Mitnick to be in it, which should be tough. [19:02.930 --> 19:07.710] Because I know some things about Kevin that I don't think he wants you to know from the hacker days. [19:07.710 --> 19:11.070] But that would be a great interview for him to take part here. [19:12.770 --> 19:19.890] So one of the things, too, is that the other angle of the show is to sort of get young people involved in technology. [19:19.890 --> 19:24.790] And also, sort of, not necessarily like the naughty hacking... [19:24.790 --> 19:26.110] Although, is it naughty hacking? [19:26.270 --> 19:28.810] But naughty hacking of system penetration and stuff. [19:29.030 --> 19:30.730] I mean, you know, that stuff's cool. [19:30.750 --> 19:34.630] If you really want to live on the outside edge, there will be people who do that. [19:34.810 --> 19:37.310] But there's a lot of, you know, positive things you can do. [19:37.430 --> 19:37.890] Both coding... [19:38.590 --> 19:39.970] Not really defacing websites. [19:40.070 --> 19:43.250] I'm actually really down, I think, as you can tell from watching this series. [19:43.350 --> 19:45.110] It's so, so... [19:45.110 --> 19:45.930] You know, it's just... [19:45.930 --> 19:46.310] I'm sorry. [19:46.370 --> 19:47.190] It's a personal thing. [19:47.190 --> 19:52.170] But the fact remains that, you know, there's so much that could be done. [19:52.310 --> 19:55.070] So this show sort of shows you how to build different things. [19:55.290 --> 19:56.210] Some of the stuff... [19:56.210 --> 20:01.270] I picked the LED graph mags, which is really LED throwies. [20:01.390 --> 20:06.750] And actually, Graffiti Research Lab is the team behind that, are the ones that developed it. [20:06.870 --> 20:08.170] But we have some unique ones. [20:08.190 --> 20:15.550] We show you how to build, like, a floating video camera that's in the back of your car and it goes up and stuff. [20:15.550 --> 20:17.470] So you can see the traffic all the way down. [20:18.130 --> 20:18.910] It shows you... [20:18.910 --> 20:20.990] And each show shows you different things. [20:21.130 --> 20:25.530] Like, for instance, they threw the graph mags, but then, you know, he fires it from... [20:26.510 --> 20:26.950] Basically... [20:26.950 --> 20:28.490] You ever seen those spud guns? [20:28.890 --> 20:30.570] Anybody familiar with spud guns? [20:30.570 --> 20:35.710] So the show will teach you how to build it, but a much cooler one with, you know, a lighted trigger. [20:36.010 --> 20:38.530] And then they actually build, like, a remote trigger for it. [20:38.590 --> 20:42.250] And then they mount it to their car and use it to shoot the feds. [20:42.330 --> 20:47.210] So, you know, although that part didn't really happen, but, you know, that's a little embellishment. [20:47.410 --> 20:51.110] But basically, that's the thrust of the series. [20:52.210 --> 20:53.650] That everything actually works. [20:53.770 --> 20:55.490] Yeah, and that everything actually works. [20:55.750 --> 20:57.930] And then, you know, and then also, too, like... [20:57.930 --> 21:00.450] And then one of the things I struggle with is, like, gray area stuff. [21:00.670 --> 21:05.470] Like, you know, like, for instance, it's really easy to spoof a caller ID on VoIP. [21:05.970 --> 21:06.670] Very easy. [21:06.890 --> 21:12.690] And it's actually not really a challenge because the whole SIP specification is there for you to figure it out. [21:12.690 --> 21:14.310] But you can do it really easy. [21:15.010 --> 21:21.350] You know, I figure we can dramatize it and put it in the show rather than necessarily show you how to do it. [21:21.490 --> 21:24.470] But if you look carefully, it will be there how to do it. [21:24.630 --> 21:30.150] And one of the interesting things, too, about it is, like, then there's, like, some interactivity built in. [21:30.250 --> 21:38.950] Like, for instance, there's a scene where the Michael Palisades, the 600-pound man, gives a... shows a number. [21:38.950 --> 21:43.890] And actually, if you call that number, that's, like, some Grand Central thing, and it goes back. [21:43.890 --> 21:46.790] And you could actually talk to one of the characters and stuff. [21:46.930 --> 21:49.450] So it'll all be launching on Hacketeer.com. [21:50.870 --> 21:53.450] And that'll be... that'll be real soon. [21:53.610 --> 21:59.050] So if... I tell you what, I'm gonna open the floor to a few questions, if anybody has any questions. [22:00.190 --> 22:02.050] I guess, let me start there. [22:02.670 --> 22:07.190] Yeah, is this gonna be, like, an Internet-only thing, or are you guys gonna kind of get it on TV? [22:08.690 --> 22:10.490] Well, first, let me ask you, what do you think? [22:10.590 --> 22:11.830] Would you like to see it on television? [22:11.990 --> 22:12.370] Hell yeah! [22:12.710 --> 22:12.930] Word? [22:13.150 --> 22:13.550] All right! [22:14.570 --> 22:16.130] All right, that's good, that's good. [22:16.370 --> 22:18.050] I would like to see it on television, too. [22:18.150 --> 22:23.450] Right now, I'm leaning toward doing it online, only because I can do it anyway. [22:23.670 --> 22:27.390] I've actually, for a living, direct pieces for television. [22:27.730 --> 22:29.130] And oh, boy. [22:30.870 --> 22:31.610] That's a job. [22:32.070 --> 22:35.070] But anyway, the point is that, you know, you can't really... [22:35.070 --> 22:36.850] You know, they'd be like, oh, they'd be nervous. [22:37.050 --> 22:39.590] You know, somebody's gonna hurt themselves, spud guns. [22:39.850 --> 22:41.670] They'd probably be worried about LED lights. [22:41.830 --> 22:42.850] I mean, they'd get all nervous. [22:43.310 --> 22:47.550] You've heard people talk about, you know, they shut down Boston over LED lights. [22:49.150 --> 22:52.090] You know, but I like to, you know... [22:52.090 --> 22:54.330] So right now, I'm considering doing it online. [22:54.590 --> 22:55.910] That's where the audience is. [22:55.910 --> 23:00.870] There's tons of little things, like the episodes run backwards in hex. [23:01.510 --> 23:03.450] You know, the numbering of the things. [23:03.650 --> 23:08.110] There's a whole lot of, you know, inside jokes related to online. [23:08.270 --> 23:09.850] I think that's where things are moving. [23:10.190 --> 23:15.910] And most of the people would be interested in this, spend, you know, spend most of their time consuming entertainment online. [23:16.870 --> 23:19.250] And I think...so that's really where I want to do it. [23:19.250 --> 23:22.410] I am...I have to admit, there is some television interest. [23:23.390 --> 23:27.670] But I really...I'm really...right now, I'm moving to doing it online. [23:29.650 --> 23:30.110] Any... [23:30.110 --> 23:32.290] I wonder if you could talk a little bit about Pain Herz. [23:32.670 --> 23:33.610] Pain Hertz? [23:33.710 --> 23:34.290] Oh, yeah. [23:34.610 --> 23:34.810] Okay. [23:35.030 --> 23:45.530] So, I play Pain Hertz, which is...just so you know, anybody who knows me knows that I have this really minuscule ego. [23:45.530 --> 23:51.570] But the point is, though, that I put myself in it to sort of blur the line. [23:51.750 --> 23:53.750] Like, the idea of the series is sort of blur the line. [23:53.930 --> 23:55.110] Who's a hacker in it? [23:55.430 --> 23:56.090] Who's not? [23:56.390 --> 23:59.230] You know, all the characters and their bios have been to jail. [23:59.630 --> 24:01.830] But who's to say they haven't been to jail? [24:02.030 --> 24:14.330] There will be people in there who are actors, and that you'd be surprised, who are actually notorious international hackers who have broken not only banks, but governments and brought them to their knees. [24:16.510 --> 24:19.030] And they'll be in there in episode three or four. [24:19.210 --> 24:19.990] So, look out for them. [24:21.010 --> 24:21.450] Sorry. [24:21.730 --> 24:24.530] But, you know, and hopefully nobody currently on the run. [24:24.970 --> 24:28.470] But the thing is, though, that, you know, so... [24:28.470 --> 24:34.750] But I'm Pain Hertz, which is obviously like a little play off of, you know... [24:34.750 --> 24:35.850] Off PHD, right? [24:35.850 --> 24:37.490] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, PHD. [24:37.670 --> 24:43.650] So, that's what he signs next to the Linux Penguin, which they do with the graffiti lights. [24:44.030 --> 24:45.470] So, that's what's up. [24:45.610 --> 24:49.690] So, my character... part of it is, though, my character actually doesn't say that much. [24:51.010 --> 24:55.270] So, that's how I keep my ego in check in doing this. [24:55.570 --> 24:56.910] So, any other questions? [24:57.830 --> 24:59.310] Let me see... right there. [24:59.350 --> 25:01.290] Has that been actual one time, or will it be longer? [25:01.870 --> 25:03.530] Actually, the episodes are shorter. [25:03.530 --> 25:08.550] I put this together specifically for HOPE, just so you can see sort of the breath. [25:08.770 --> 25:13.810] And I put like the... you know, like, for instance, at the end, that's a hacker called... [25:14.570 --> 25:15.970] Yeah, Chris Goggins. [25:17.390 --> 25:21.370] Chris Goggins, who is debatable whether he is an informant or not. [25:21.790 --> 25:29.850] But the point being, though, that, you know, it's an inside joke for people who know who he is and stuff like that. [25:29.850 --> 25:35.110] So, and actually, yeah, so that's... but the run time is actually shorter. [25:36.570 --> 25:38.850] And... but there's like multiple episodes. [25:38.990 --> 25:41.490] It'll be narrative element and hacker element. [25:41.850 --> 25:44.810] You know, story element, hacker element, adventure element. [25:45.130 --> 25:47.050] And then there's an interview part. [25:47.230 --> 25:49.830] So, it's actually a weird hybrid of things. [25:50.630 --> 25:50.830] All right. [25:52.170 --> 25:52.410] Right. [25:52.890 --> 25:56.130] Do you use mutant actors, or do you get a waiver for this? [25:56.250 --> 25:57.090] Or how does that work? [25:57.910 --> 26:01.090] Since I work doing film production, I have actors who... [26:01.770 --> 26:04.250] I actually have some celebrities who are gonna be in it, too. [26:04.430 --> 26:06.330] Like, actors you've seen and stuff. [26:08.470 --> 26:08.830] Yeah. [26:09.410 --> 26:11.270] And then, like, I know a bunch of people... [26:11.270 --> 26:13.490] Like, from working in film production, I know actors. [26:13.890 --> 26:15.410] You know, some of them owe me favors. [26:15.710 --> 26:17.130] You know, some of them are waiters. [26:17.650 --> 26:20.290] So, you know, I just hear a waiver or whatever. [26:20.510 --> 26:24.250] No, but I... you know, anybody usually who works for me, they get paid. [26:24.250 --> 26:29.150] But for the most part, though, like, we're using both actors and... [26:29.150 --> 26:30.950] Most of the people are actors. [26:31.070 --> 26:34.070] And I'm trying to keep the universe sort of real. [26:34.070 --> 26:35.870] So, like, you really feel pulled in. [26:36.050 --> 26:41.230] And it's actually a challenge because the hackers are a little goofy, as they should be. [26:41.390 --> 26:43.310] And the other people are so weighty. [26:43.410 --> 26:45.070] They have so much gravitas. [26:45.710 --> 26:51.170] And yet, it's, you know, transfixed with, like, why are these goofy guys, like, totally, you know, skating the government? [26:51.370 --> 26:55.550] I mean, one of the things is, when I got busted, we had... [26:56.810 --> 26:58.250] We actually knew they were coming. [26:59.110 --> 27:01.750] But, you know, at the age we were, like, where was I gonna go? [27:01.970 --> 27:02.790] Like, what I was supposed to do? [27:02.870 --> 27:04.550] Run away and live my life like... [27:04.550 --> 27:05.510] I love my mommy. [27:05.730 --> 27:07.810] So, you know, we just stayed and watched them come. [27:09.890 --> 27:11.390] All right, take me away. [27:11.730 --> 27:12.370] Big deal. [27:12.550 --> 27:13.970] But that's how I got on the cover of Y. [27:14.090 --> 27:19.250] And I worked for 60 minutes doing consulting and stuff like that. [27:19.330 --> 27:22.030] Although, back then, I looked a lot the same. [27:22.250 --> 27:22.390] Ooh. [27:22.750 --> 27:22.970] Okay. [27:23.430 --> 27:23.810] So... [27:25.430 --> 27:29.950] And actually, that's Chris Goggins right there when he was younger. [27:29.970 --> 27:31.230] That was back in the hacker days. [27:31.430 --> 27:33.830] So, yeah, but that's the deal. [27:33.950 --> 27:37.210] So, we have, you know, obviously there's a release form and all of that. [27:37.210 --> 27:39.030] And actually, it's not shot in HD. [27:39.370 --> 27:46.870] All the other things shown here at the conference, they get on the podium, this was shot in HD, D, D, D. [27:47.050 --> 27:48.250] Like, that means something. [27:48.410 --> 27:51.010] Like, oh, big deal, you shot on HD. [27:51.230 --> 27:53.970] This thing was demonstratively not shot on HD. [27:54.530 --> 27:57.850] It was shot on a very cheap camera, but I do film production. [27:58.090 --> 27:59.130] So, I guess it's cheating. [27:59.490 --> 28:00.370] So, that's what's up. [28:01.270 --> 28:01.750] Any... [28:01.750 --> 28:02.210] Goodbye. [28:03.810 --> 28:04.570] Good luck. [28:04.570 --> 28:08.290] You have a nice little product piece with a lot of sex appeal. [28:08.750 --> 28:09.610] Oh, cool. [28:09.930 --> 28:10.410] So... [28:10.410 --> 28:12.130] Which girl do you like? [28:13.010 --> 28:13.310] Oh, damn. [28:13.590 --> 28:14.070] Damn. [28:14.990 --> 28:15.470] Damn. [28:15.590 --> 28:17.310] I like wearing in that sense, so... [28:17.310 --> 28:19.530] And I was gonna say that. [28:20.370 --> 28:30.010] What I would like to know is that I've seen a lot of online content creators be putting social network components behind their television show to kind of help demystify some of the things. [28:30.010 --> 28:32.950] A big example is Epic Fu out in California. [28:33.230 --> 28:37.590] They have a great three-minute contingent, and they have a lot of different topics within it. [28:37.710 --> 28:43.130] And then you go to their Neen profile, and they completely demystify everything that they've talked about. [28:43.650 --> 28:45.390] Are you planning on doing that? [28:45.470 --> 28:51.010] And are you planning on trying to enlist, like, hackers throughout the world to become part of the show? [28:51.010 --> 28:52.230] Good question. [28:52.430 --> 28:53.270] Let me ask you this. [28:54.310 --> 28:56.050] Do you like... [28:56.050 --> 28:59.330] When you watch a movie, do you like to see the... [28:59.330 --> 29:02.610] Do you like to see how they made the movie before they make it? [29:03.790 --> 29:06.730] I like to see it afterward, depending on what type of movie it is. [29:06.870 --> 29:07.110] Right. [29:07.230 --> 29:09.450] But, like, let's say, let's take Hellboy 2, for instance. [29:09.970 --> 29:11.210] Would you want to see them... [29:11.210 --> 29:11.650] Or 300. [29:11.970 --> 29:14.130] Would you want to see them set it up? [29:14.270 --> 29:15.010] I like it... [29:15.010 --> 29:17.270] Me, personally, I think that... [29:17.270 --> 29:19.270] I want to keep the mystery in. [29:19.850 --> 29:22.010] But you do need the social network, right? [29:22.110 --> 29:26.450] I think that's a brilliant question, and it speaks to the strategy for deploying this online. [29:27.110 --> 29:27.530] Absolutely. [29:27.830 --> 29:29.430] And we're going to have other hackers in it. [29:29.670 --> 29:32.670] But we want to have people also submit things. [29:32.890 --> 29:36.730] But this is one of the interesting twists we're going to have. [29:36.830 --> 29:39.050] Like, for instance, there'll be... [29:39.050 --> 29:52.990] When you see a number in the show, if you call a number and leave a message, the character will actually, in the show, pick up his phone, listen to his messages, and if you leave a choice message that's interesting, they'll play it in the show. [29:53.410 --> 29:55.350] You know, Rokstar will be like, you know, blah, blah. [29:55.490 --> 29:59.010] And if you, like, left a message, like, screw you, Rokstar, you totally suck! [29:59.370 --> 30:03.310] Like, yo, you might have to tell your friends, and that might be like 10,000 hits right there. [30:03.470 --> 30:07.690] Like, wow, you know, yo, they totally put me in the show because I cursed Rokstar out. [30:07.690 --> 30:11.590] So we have a bunch of interesting interactive elements. [30:12.190 --> 30:20.130] But even though we're going to build a community around it, I think for this particular show to work, I'm not going to demystify it. [30:20.190 --> 30:25.230] I think it's important to sort of keep the mystery of what's going on, what's real, what's not. [30:25.390 --> 30:28.890] You know, I mean, and some of the stuff is actually real. [30:28.990 --> 30:33.410] We do cross the line a little bit, so much to the chagrin of the actors. [30:33.410 --> 30:41.170] But, you know, but you'll see in the, if you check it out online, when the car chase scene, you'll see what I mean. [30:41.270 --> 30:43.970] I really put them through it for that. [30:45.650 --> 30:46.630] The web address? [30:46.930 --> 30:48.410] Oh, hackateer.com. [30:49.050 --> 30:49.450] Hackateer? [30:49.490 --> 30:52.710] Yeah, that was very, thank you, thank you for pointing it out, indeed. [30:52.910 --> 30:55.770] So it's hackateer.com, if you go to and stuff. [30:55.950 --> 30:57.010] Oh, there it goes, there it goes. [30:57.710 --> 31:00.650] What's the funniest shit you can talk about from the LOD/MOD War? [31:03.210 --> 31:03.830] Let's see. [31:04.470 --> 31:06.810] Okay, so there used to be a group called Legion of Doom. [31:07.450 --> 31:09.010] There's a beer on the podium there for you. [31:09.090 --> 31:09.370] Oh, yeah. [31:11.970 --> 31:12.750] Okay, cool. [31:13.090 --> 31:15.030] There used to be a group called the Legion of Doom. [31:15.150 --> 31:17.030] They were the baddest hackers ever. [31:17.810 --> 31:18.110] Right? [31:19.630 --> 31:27.510] I used to, and I had started hacking, and a lot of people here who come from that time period probably remember. [31:27.510 --> 31:30.490] You see LOD, there was text files. [31:30.750 --> 31:32.250] You know, it was this paper trail. [31:32.450 --> 31:33.930] They were like giants. [31:34.430 --> 31:35.830] You know, I would read about them. [31:36.090 --> 31:37.850] Wow, that was cool, yo. [31:38.030 --> 31:38.770] Legion of Doom. [31:39.310 --> 31:43.390] So then, you know, I was still hacking and doing my thing and everything, learning the ropes. [31:43.390 --> 31:52.470] And then what happened was, you know, here in New York, I started to meet a bunch of other hackers who were like sort of like more like my attitude. [31:52.690 --> 31:55.050] Like for instance, I remember, I'll give you an example. [31:55.170 --> 31:56.170] I logged into Q-Link. [31:56.530 --> 32:03.850] I get onto Q-Link, I type in, I get into the teen chat room, and I say, hey guys, anybody know who Biz Marky is? [32:03.850 --> 32:05.950] And they're like, yo, f*ck you. [32:06.270 --> 32:08.230] It's all about new kids on the block. [32:10.090 --> 32:12.830] And it's so, I still blame Marky Mark to this day. [32:12.970 --> 32:13.790] That's why I'm a hacker. [32:14.230 --> 32:15.910] So, indeed, indeed. [32:16.090 --> 32:21.530] So I went and ran into some like-minded fellows, and there was a huge schism. [32:21.830 --> 32:28.790] Because actually, Mark Abene, who you saw interviewed in here, he used to be in Legion of Doom, and it was sort of a schism. [32:28.790 --> 32:32.970] And so we started like, we were like, yo, we didn't put too much thought into it. [32:33.050 --> 32:35.310] Like, yo, let's just make it like one letter up. [32:35.470 --> 32:36.630] So we just made it MOD. [32:36.990 --> 32:38.830] And that's how MOD was born. [32:39.390 --> 32:41.670] The ultimate hacking group and stuff. [32:41.790 --> 32:44.430] So I was actually in another group, Eight-Legged Groove Machine. [32:44.750 --> 32:45.490] Are you ready to go to? [32:45.670 --> 32:48.270] Yeah, I was right after Fusion left. [32:48.410 --> 32:48.750] Right, right. [32:48.790 --> 32:50.210] And I took the USA spot. [32:50.310 --> 32:50.690] That's right. [32:50.810 --> 32:51.990] Go Eight-Legged Groove Machine. [32:52.430 --> 32:54.170] So that was a pure... [32:54.170 --> 32:55.630] Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [32:55.750 --> 32:57.130] So I was a pure system hacker. [32:57.130 --> 33:01.070] Like, I should straight up, you know, X.25, TCP/IP. [33:01.610 --> 33:07.610] And, of course, what really got me in trouble during the war with LOD was the remote headset function on a DMS-100. [33:07.910 --> 33:09.790] There was nothing like logging into a switch. [33:09.790 --> 33:10.670] You put a little trap. [33:10.770 --> 33:11.570] You get the passwords. [33:11.730 --> 33:11.830] Boom. [33:11.910 --> 33:15.130] Then you set up the remote headset and you could tap lines. [33:15.270 --> 33:17.690] It was a beautiful thing and still is. [33:18.210 --> 33:20.570] Highly illegal, but you could do it. [33:20.990 --> 33:22.570] So, you know, and it's amazing. [33:22.690 --> 33:24.150] I mean, but, of course, now why do you do that? [33:24.170 --> 33:24.830] You got VoIP. [33:24.950 --> 33:26.070] I mean, it doesn't take anything. [33:26.070 --> 33:29.450] You could just get on a TCP/IP, get the packets, assemble them. [33:29.590 --> 33:31.170] Next thing you know, you're listening to phone calls. [33:31.690 --> 33:38.190] However, back then, it was a really elite thing to control the switches, you know, and then control the entire hierarchy. [33:38.430 --> 33:39.870] And that was actually one of the things. [33:40.010 --> 33:42.510] We had controlled every RBOC and stuff. [33:42.510 --> 33:43.550] And actually there's a... [33:44.110 --> 33:47.450] If there's another MOD member in the audience, can you raise your hand? [33:47.610 --> 33:48.270] All right, right there. [33:48.430 --> 33:49.450] So he can verify it. [33:49.570 --> 33:52.670] It may not count since maybe he's lying like me. [33:52.810 --> 33:53.630] But we actually... [33:55.530 --> 33:57.410] We controlled every RBOC. [33:57.530 --> 33:58.250] That is not a lie. [33:58.250 --> 33:59.610] You can go look on our... [33:59.610 --> 34:02.310] On the PSI stuff and all that stuff. [34:02.890 --> 34:04.090] So that was our thing. [34:04.310 --> 34:08.570] So what happened was we got into a big... [34:08.570 --> 34:13.630] A big row with them because Chris Goggins felt like the... [34:13.630 --> 34:17.490] Like, you know, the legacy of LOD is now in jeopardy. [34:17.490 --> 34:19.970] So we got in this huge argument and stuff. [34:20.150 --> 34:20.570] And it was... [34:20.570 --> 34:21.470] We got on the phone. [34:21.630 --> 34:23.210] And they're like, yo, you're a wiener. [34:23.330 --> 34:24.250] No, you're a wiener. [34:24.530 --> 34:28.090] Although you use harsher terms than that, believe me. [34:28.390 --> 34:31.030] But the point was that we wound up in a battle. [34:31.590 --> 34:34.370] So the battle was totally lopsided. [34:34.930 --> 34:35.930] Totally lopsided. [34:36.010 --> 34:36.970] They had no skills. [34:37.170 --> 34:39.270] It was like the emperor laid bare. [34:40.370 --> 34:40.890] Unbelievable. [34:41.790 --> 34:44.370] Anybody here remember QSD? [34:45.770 --> 34:48.350] QSD and Alto's chat in Germany? [34:48.830 --> 34:49.230] Right. [34:49.870 --> 34:51.410] So this was their... [34:51.410 --> 34:52.350] This is their attack. [34:52.590 --> 34:53.850] They logged into QSD. [34:53.990 --> 34:54.830] It's a chat system. [34:55.690 --> 34:58.870] And meanwhile, meanwhile, keep in mind, we're like cutting off their phones. [34:59.450 --> 35:01.210] I'd set up like a vax, right? [35:01.350 --> 35:05.990] And it'd have like a bank of 10 modems and I have a script that would... [35:05.990 --> 35:07.110] Because like cutting off the phone... [35:07.110 --> 35:09.770] Cutting off your phone is harsh, right? [35:09.870 --> 35:11.250] It's like a reality wake up. [35:11.350 --> 35:12.470] You get up, the phone's dead. [35:14.470 --> 35:16.890] But that's not humiliating. [35:17.070 --> 35:17.470] What's crushing... [35:18.050 --> 35:19.790] What crushes a man... [35:21.550 --> 35:22.890] And I've done this. [35:22.970 --> 35:24.430] I've experimented, so I know. [35:25.190 --> 35:30.610] Is imagine your phone ringing 24 hours a day, seven days a week. [35:30.790 --> 35:33.490] And you don't know what number's calling you. [35:33.490 --> 35:35.790] It's just 10 modems. [35:35.930 --> 35:37.090] Just ring, ring, ring, ring. [35:37.210 --> 35:38.170] You can pull it out. [35:38.350 --> 35:40.150] You put it in two days later. [35:40.390 --> 35:44.120] Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring. [35:44.120 --> 35:45.390] Yo, I was killing them. [35:45.560 --> 35:45.860] That... [35:45.860 --> 35:47.040] Oh, that was my favorite trick. [35:47.280 --> 35:48.400] My favorite trick. [35:48.580 --> 35:49.740] So that was... [35:49.740 --> 35:50.120] So we... [35:50.120 --> 35:51.120] So we got into this battle. [35:51.270 --> 35:54.780] But their idea of battle was they would get on QSD. [35:54.780 --> 35:56.580] And remember, it was like... [35:56.580 --> 35:58.810] There was like 42 slots, right? [35:58.930 --> 35:59.400] For chatting. [35:59.720 --> 36:01.740] This was off of Minitel in France, right? [36:02.580 --> 36:03.460] 42 slots. [36:03.680 --> 36:06.350] So what they did was filled up each slot. [36:06.540 --> 36:09.100] They filled it, they connected to the 42 slots. [36:09.500 --> 36:10.810] Actually, they left one open. [36:10.960 --> 36:12.500] Like one open so you could log in. [36:12.770 --> 36:15.400] And you would see every single name was like our name. [36:15.400 --> 36:18.310] Like, Marco Benet is a no-gooder. [36:19.220 --> 36:20.480] John is a dick. [36:20.660 --> 36:23.080] And it was like, dude, like, are we fighting a war? [36:23.120 --> 36:24.940] Or is this like schoolyard rules? [36:25.120 --> 36:26.940] Like, anybody could do that. [36:27.120 --> 36:28.780] Like, you know, they wasted like a perfect... [36:28.780 --> 36:31.560] Perfectly good mucks doing that. [36:31.680 --> 36:34.850] They used the mucks to make 42 connections. [36:35.020 --> 36:35.520] Wasted it. [36:35.810 --> 36:36.890] But here's the thing. [36:37.240 --> 36:39.980] So, meanwhile, they're doing these small things. [36:40.040 --> 36:42.320] Or they'd get on a chat in Germany and be like... [36:42.320 --> 36:43.580] They have more... [36:43.580 --> 36:44.500] We would see them chatting. [36:44.500 --> 36:45.180] They'd be like... [36:45.180 --> 36:48.860] They have more power than any one hacker should have. [36:48.960 --> 36:49.960] Especially that corrupt. [36:50.140 --> 36:51.700] His head is full of himself. [36:51.980 --> 36:52.600] And I'm totally... [36:53.360 --> 36:55.400] If anybody knows, I was always a nice guy. [36:55.500 --> 36:56.640] I'd be like, don't do that, right? [36:56.740 --> 36:57.640] I'd be like... [36:57.640 --> 36:58.460] Him right there. [36:58.520 --> 36:59.390] I'd be like, yo... [36:59.390 --> 37:01.320] I would always be like, yo, don't do that. [37:01.400 --> 37:02.360] I was the mediator. [37:02.540 --> 37:04.540] But for some reason, they thought I was the mean guy. [37:04.600 --> 37:05.270] I don't know why. [37:05.350 --> 37:06.320] I was never the mean guy. [37:06.770 --> 37:08.620] But anyway, the point is that we had... [37:10.080 --> 37:11.100] They were doing that. [37:11.220 --> 37:13.740] And meanwhile, we were busy taking all their stuff. [37:13.740 --> 37:14.930] So they had... [37:15.740 --> 37:18.980] So what happened was, we saw them on this Germany chat. [37:19.160 --> 37:26.350] But the problem was, they were using this NUI, network user ID, out of Texas. [37:26.860 --> 37:28.200] And it was called... [37:28.200 --> 37:32.770] The big schism was that everybody was using Parmaster X.25. [37:32.960 --> 37:33.540] Parmaster Go. [37:33.740 --> 37:33.960] Right. [37:34.060 --> 37:38.600] Parmaster had made this NUI on Tymenet, which was owned by BT Telecom. [37:38.930 --> 37:45.360] And unfortunately, the story is that I actually taught him how to make it, which was a big mistake. [37:45.580 --> 37:46.780] Did you also put the chip in his head? [37:46.780 --> 37:47.890] Oh yeah, he is. [37:47.930 --> 37:49.430] He sees UFOs now. [37:49.700 --> 37:50.600] That guy's crazy. [37:50.720 --> 37:53.080] He looks like Baxter from Great Space Coaster. [37:55.620 --> 37:56.930] So the point... [37:59.730 --> 38:04.560] So, but Par was a good guy before he went, you know, beautiful mind on us. [38:09.520 --> 38:10.420] Sorry, dude. [38:10.660 --> 38:12.560] But, so we had... [38:12.560 --> 38:14.240] So here it was. [38:14.460 --> 38:14.880] We... [38:14.880 --> 38:16.060] It's like clear as day. [38:16.200 --> 38:20.480] We see them logging in from Texas with Parmaster X.75. [38:21.200 --> 38:30.400] And, even worse, they were talking to my old group, Eight Legged Groove Machine, asking them to hack the network operations center for SprintNet. [38:30.400 --> 38:33.540] Because they had access to the old Primes that controlled it. [38:33.980 --> 38:36.440] And they went busy migrating them to Sun. [38:36.700 --> 38:38.900] And they didn't really know how to backdoor Sun. [38:39.000 --> 38:40.440] They didn't know how to backdoor Prime either. [38:40.860 --> 38:42.120] But they didn't know how to... [38:42.860 --> 38:43.660] And we did. [38:43.840 --> 38:46.980] But they didn't know how to backdoor the Sun. [38:47.920 --> 38:49.300] But we saw them doing it. [38:49.380 --> 38:51.340] And we saw them give the login to... [38:51.340 --> 38:55.360] Two Eight Legged Groove Machines so they could backdoor the Sun for them over in Texas. [38:55.560 --> 38:55.980] We saw it. [38:56.060 --> 38:56.540] We took it. [38:56.620 --> 38:57.400] End of the war. [38:58.300 --> 38:59.240] Right then and there. [38:59.240 --> 39:01.480] And then that was... what could they do? [39:01.560 --> 39:02.840] They just had to cry in their milk. [39:03.080 --> 39:04.380] But it was a great experience. [39:04.580 --> 39:10.740] I mean, obviously there was lots of other small skirmishes and stuff, and lots of little tricks you can do to really annoy somebody. [39:10.740 --> 39:15.600] I always thought about, you know, writing a little book on how to really just annoy... [39:15.600 --> 39:17.060] You know what can really annoy somebody? [39:17.260 --> 39:23.000] The same way, you know, I talked to you about the bank of modems, this is real simple, and you probably thought about this, is the text message. [39:23.420 --> 39:25.020] You know somebody has a text message? [39:25.160 --> 39:29.080] Man, you could really get like an anonymous mail situation going. [39:29.080 --> 39:33.900] You don't even know how to hack and just set it up and really just, you know, what's it called? [39:34.300 --> 39:35.520] Passive aggressive attack. [39:35.760 --> 39:40.060] Like they don't even know, you don't put your name on it, but they just keep getting text messages. [39:40.620 --> 39:41.700] There's no way to stop it. [39:41.760 --> 39:44.580] They have to call their provider and get it blocked, a big headache. [39:44.800 --> 39:46.380] Sorry, I shouldn't have told everybody that. [39:47.460 --> 39:52.680] You know, but actually I hacked so much when I was younger that I lost like several girlfriends. [39:52.900 --> 39:57.500] Like I would be on the modem and then like I would see like garbage go across the screen. [39:57.500 --> 40:01.000] And I'm like, oh, shit, I'm in BellSouth. [40:01.200 --> 40:03.080] Oh, I finally got BellSouth. [40:03.280 --> 40:05.360] And I see garbage going on, disconnect. [40:05.600 --> 40:06.940] And suddenly I pick up the phone. [40:07.160 --> 40:07.940] It's the operator. [40:08.220 --> 40:11.360] Uh, yeah, you're getting an emergency breakthrough from LeVette. [40:13.200 --> 40:16.720] LeVette calling, John, you're, get off that modem. [40:16.880 --> 40:18.060] And I couldn't, I couldn't help it. [40:18.100 --> 40:19.800] I lost like three girlfriends back then. [40:19.940 --> 40:22.640] But it was, but I also would get girlfriends from hacking too. [40:22.640 --> 40:25.980] I mean, you know, it was nothing like, you know, you know, it was almost like you were a wizard. [40:26.180 --> 40:28.900] Like, you know, you say to a girl and stuff, you're like, yeah. [40:30.640 --> 40:34.540] So, um, you know, I try to call a girl and the phone would be busy. [40:34.580 --> 40:37.940] So I just give her three-way calling and then, hey, what's up, baby? [40:38.040 --> 40:38.460] How you doing? [40:39.080 --> 40:40.180] I don't have three-way. [40:40.400 --> 40:40.940] Yeah, I know. [40:41.040 --> 40:41.720] I gave it to you. [40:49.500 --> 40:52.960] So like, that would be, you know, next thing you know, boy, that was a date right there. [40:53.160 --> 40:56.780] You know, little tricks like that, turning pay phones into real phones, you know, boom. [40:57.080 --> 40:58.400] It was like a Wizard of Oz. [40:58.540 --> 40:59.260] Those were the days. [40:59.440 --> 41:00.000] Those were the days. [41:00.240 --> 41:07.820] But now, um, a lot of the telephony stuff is, you know, they really come down, you know, hard on you. [41:07.820 --> 41:07.820] Yeah. [41:08.300 --> 41:09.260] Were you on Belcourt? [41:12.740 --> 41:15.440] Right, right, right. [41:15.640 --> 41:15.940] It's interesting. [41:16.060 --> 41:17.300] You'll see stuff in the story. [41:17.400 --> 41:19.600] I don't know if you saw it during the interview with Mark. [41:19.780 --> 41:23.300] We're going to play off of it, too, like different when other people bring things up. [41:23.800 --> 41:28.120] I mean, it's obviously some things I can talk about that, you know, in public domain, some things I can't. [41:31.320 --> 41:32.400] Some things I can't. [41:32.480 --> 41:33.420] You never know who's here. [41:33.580 --> 41:35.780] I mean, Steve got pulled out last year. [41:35.920 --> 41:36.320] Who knows? [41:38.600 --> 41:41.480] Shit, I saw a narc at the Blarney Stone. [41:41.660 --> 41:41.940] I was there. [41:42.040 --> 41:42.600] I was like, oh, shit. [41:42.740 --> 41:43.360] Come on, man. [41:43.600 --> 41:44.900] I know you're not here for me. [41:46.180 --> 41:48.620] But he didn't know I was talking to you guys like this. [41:53.200 --> 41:54.540] It's printed in the program. [41:56.700 --> 41:58.660] So, any other questions here? [41:59.500 --> 42:04.600] Are any of the episodes going to have some of the humiliating practical jokes that were played on the other side during the hacker war? [42:05.000 --> 42:05.380] Absolutely. [42:05.920 --> 42:06.300] Absolutely. [42:06.320 --> 42:08.620] You're going to see some amazing stuff in there. [42:08.700 --> 42:09.380] Was there a question? [42:09.380 --> 42:09.860] Yeah. [42:10.120 --> 42:10.460] Yeah. [42:11.020 --> 42:16.920] The very last act, Mr. Palisades, the large fat government fellow, was presented a CD. [42:17.740 --> 42:32.100] Are you intending to release the 28-minute scene on the cutting room floor explaining how that goes into the computer, how to open it, double-click the video file, or anything like that, bloopers? [42:32.100 --> 42:32.680] Mmm. [42:33.300 --> 42:35.460] I do plan to put out bloopers. [42:35.760 --> 42:41.340] And Nubian actually suggested... Actually, can I just introduce two people? [42:41.440 --> 42:42.320] This is John Nubian. [42:42.580 --> 42:44.940] He's done the music on it. [42:48.300 --> 42:51.760] And this is Victoria, who I've known for a long time on the Hackerton. [42:51.940 --> 42:58.620] And she totally has given me amazing feedback and helped me to shape Hacketeer into this cohesive thing. [42:58.860 --> 43:01.400] And this is actually the first time we've actually met in person. [43:01.440 --> 43:03.320] I've known her for years. [43:03.600 --> 43:05.940] Just on the chatty chat. [43:07.920 --> 43:11.740] So Nubian suggested that I actually open source parts of it. [43:11.840 --> 43:14.220] So that's something I couldn't do if I do it on television. [43:14.660 --> 43:17.120] Imagine if, you know, you could open source a little bit. [43:17.380 --> 43:19.080] People could do mashups and stuff. [43:19.220 --> 43:20.020] It would be kind of cool. [43:20.220 --> 43:21.800] So, I mean, it's something to think about. [43:21.940 --> 43:29.000] But definitely, there's some amazing bloopers with Mark Rako, who plays the heavyset government agent. [43:29.000 --> 43:37.860] And there's also a lot of... and a couple of, you know, wardrobe malfunctions. [43:40.200 --> 43:41.320] Hey, I got the release. [43:41.440 --> 43:42.400] You said that waiver, right? [43:42.500 --> 43:43.280] You mentioned that waiver. [43:43.820 --> 43:44.760] That's good for that. [43:45.000 --> 43:45.800] Cool, cool. [43:46.120 --> 43:46.800] Let me think. [43:46.920 --> 43:50.220] Is there any other questions about old hacking days that I can... [43:50.220 --> 43:52.260] I just want to ask, what was the first HackerCon you went to? [43:52.420 --> 43:53.020] And when did you go to... [43:53.020 --> 43:54.240] This is my first HackerCon. [43:54.420 --> 43:56.360] I've never been to a hacker convention before. [43:57.260 --> 43:57.580] Never. [43:59.420 --> 44:01.780] And it's the first time I came here to talk. [44:01.900 --> 44:09.240] And I thought it was only fair that... to not just screen it, but actually talk a little bit about hacking, since I broke so many systems. [44:19.880 --> 44:20.200] And... [44:20.200 --> 44:21.000] That's the real stuff. [44:21.120 --> 44:22.060] That's why I don't do it anymore. [44:22.580 --> 44:25.760] But this is our first hacker convention, but it's been great. [44:25.940 --> 44:27.400] There's been some great talks and stuff. [44:27.700 --> 44:29.040] You know, I have to elevate everybody. [44:29.040 --> 44:31.520] And I want to thank Evil Corley for having me and stuff. [44:31.920 --> 44:34.280] And all you guys for coming in here to check it out. [44:34.400 --> 44:35.240] It's been very cool. [44:35.560 --> 44:36.800] Very cool and stuff. [44:37.040 --> 44:39.480] And definitely hope you guys, you know, check out the series. [44:39.920 --> 44:42.380] Any more questions before I wrap it up? [44:42.520 --> 44:42.800] Anybody? [44:43.040 --> 44:43.400] Can I... [44:43.400 --> 44:43.500] Over here. [44:44.020 --> 44:44.560] Oh, wait. [44:44.620 --> 44:45.400] I see a couple more. [44:45.640 --> 44:45.840] Wait. [44:46.100 --> 44:46.600] Over here. [44:50.420 --> 44:50.860] Funding? [44:50.960 --> 44:53.300] Right now, I'm just doing it out of my pocket. [44:54.120 --> 44:55.500] That's the best way to do it. [44:59.120 --> 45:01.620] A fool and his money has soon parted. [45:02.280 --> 45:07.960] But if anybody's interested in jumping on as executive producer, definitely come and talk to me. [45:08.040 --> 45:10.800] There's always room and entree into the business. [45:11.180 --> 45:16.380] And uh, and that's the easiest way is to uh... Did I see a couple of main characters had swords? [45:17.220 --> 45:17.700] Oh. [45:19.260 --> 45:23.120] Well, I mean, you know, I mean, well, yeah. [45:28.500 --> 45:28.980] Yeah. [45:28.980 --> 45:29.460] Um... [45:29.460 --> 45:31.060] But this is taken from real life. [45:31.200 --> 45:32.020] I mean, come on, dude. [45:32.260 --> 45:32.940] Look around you. [45:33.240 --> 45:38.080] I say about 50% of the people have... have like a shuriken at home or something. [45:38.260 --> 45:38.660] Come on. [45:38.800 --> 45:40.400] I mean, that's part of the culture. [45:40.700 --> 45:41.580] It's like cool, man. [45:41.800 --> 45:43.840] It's like kind of... They're kind of like part anime. [45:44.360 --> 45:48.460] You know, those are like authentic Russian aviator glasses on Core. [45:48.820 --> 45:50.020] You know, I mean, that's part of the thing. [45:50.120 --> 45:51.760] And it was also, you know, cheap on eBay. [45:52.920 --> 45:53.280] So... [45:54.780 --> 45:58.020] But yeah, no, I mean, they... And actually, they have a cool way of fighting. [45:58.860 --> 45:59.960] They, they, um... [45:59.960 --> 46:02.560] When they fight, you know, they're not really like trained. [46:02.800 --> 46:06.680] Like, they don't like just break out like some Brazilian jiu-jitsu or anything. [46:06.940 --> 46:15.840] But they do like a cool swarming move on... on uh... on their enemies that you... When you see it, it's gonna be very... It's gonna be awesome. [46:16.020 --> 46:20.540] They gotta... It's very nerdy, but at the same time, you'll be like, yo, is there a class in that? [46:20.660 --> 46:22.200] Like, yo, I gotta take that. [46:22.400 --> 46:22.740] Like... [46:23.480 --> 46:24.160] Locking it up. [46:24.340 --> 46:25.180] It's gonna be kind of cool. [46:25.660 --> 46:28.280] But, um, yeah, um... Rokstar carries a sword sometimes. [46:28.920 --> 46:29.700] Not all the time. [46:29.780 --> 46:30.660] They have different weapons. [46:30.880 --> 46:33.580] They also have, you know, they make weapons, all types of stuff. [46:33.860 --> 46:36.920] Some of you make... Oh, here's one episode that I have not shot yet. [46:37.020 --> 46:40.340] They show you how to make, um... This is... They build on the LED thing. [46:40.700 --> 46:46.700] If you take, like, let's say, those ultraviolet LEDs, they... Take a bunch of ultraviolet LEDs. [46:46.880 --> 46:49.360] You can make, like, a mask, and you power it up. [46:49.720 --> 46:53.320] Man, you walk past a video camera, you just look like a bright light like this. [46:53.520 --> 46:56.560] Like, it just looks like... It's, like, almost like an angel walking by. [46:56.700 --> 46:57.420] Totally cool. [46:57.720 --> 46:59.500] And it's a good way to get past security. [46:59.600 --> 46:59.980] I don't know. [47:00.160 --> 47:05.420] But the person looking at you, they don't even see it because ultra... You won't even see it, like, visually when the lights are on. [47:05.720 --> 47:08.160] Instead of you stare too long, it might burn a hole in your retina. [47:08.380 --> 47:10.800] But, you know, other than that, boom, you walk right in. [47:10.860 --> 47:16.680] But they show you how to do... I mean, that's one example of, like, a gray area thing that they do because it's, like, it's very cool. [47:17.300 --> 47:19.000] And it's like, wow, somebody thought of that. [47:19.160 --> 47:22.240] And nobody... And that's a... And that's one that that's not, like, in the public. [47:22.320 --> 47:23.620] I don't think you can even Google for that. [47:23.960 --> 47:25.140] But, um... Oh, will you... [47:25.140 --> 47:27.160] Is there a release date again for the first episode? [47:27.460 --> 47:30.520] Um, it's going to be in... What's... This is July? [47:30.840 --> 47:31.140] August. [47:31.620 --> 47:31.940] August. [47:32.400 --> 47:37.720] I'm finishing production on something else, and then I'm going to turn my attention to putting this out to the masses. [47:38.040 --> 47:39.060] What else do you work on? [47:39.360 --> 47:45.940] Um, um, Various Projects had a film in a Tribeca Film Festival this year, which was very cool and stuff. [47:46.080 --> 47:47.120] Lots of free liquor. [47:48.560 --> 47:50.160] No more open bars, kid. [47:50.320 --> 47:50.620] No more. [47:50.680 --> 47:51.320] That was too much. [47:51.440 --> 47:52.740] But it was very cool. [47:52.940 --> 48:00.860] And I do, uh, you know, stuff for STARS or contract work, uh, director for STARS and various other places and... Huh? [48:01.900 --> 48:02.680] Oh, four minutes? [48:02.800 --> 48:03.720] Oh, wow, we talked... [48:03.720 --> 48:04.660] I talked the whole time. [48:04.800 --> 48:06.520] I never knew I had this much to say. [48:07.220 --> 48:07.620] Unbelievable. [48:08.080 --> 48:12.360] So, um, yeah, I work on various things, music videos, all types of stuff. [48:12.480 --> 48:14.700] And actually, maybe this is the time I can give you a site. [48:14.960 --> 48:29.780] If you're... If you're of a mind, you can go to MediaThreat.com or JohnThreat.com and you can see stuff I've done, you know, when I'm directing commercials or just f*cking around or sometimes making stuff or hints on how to spoof, uh, VoIP, uh, caller ID. [48:29.980 --> 48:33.120] Like, just little touches like that, mobile tricks, things like that. [48:33.200 --> 48:34.640] So if you're of a mind, you could go there. [48:34.860 --> 48:35.900] It's kind of personal. [48:35.960 --> 48:37.760] You could find me on Facebook or whatever. [48:37.760 --> 48:39.260] I'm totally in the open. [48:39.420 --> 48:44.260] And you could just say hello and, you know, join or join the Hackateer group and say what's up. [48:44.440 --> 48:46.980] But, uh, you know, if you're interested, definitely check out the site. [48:47.060 --> 48:50.840] And also there'll be t-shirts for sale on the site. [48:50.960 --> 48:53.280] I don't have, um, any here. [48:53.420 --> 48:54.500] Somebody has one. [48:54.680 --> 48:57.600] Actually, could you stand up for a second, miss, please? [48:58.400 --> 49:01.560] My friend right there has a nice Hackateer t-shirt there. [49:01.720 --> 49:03.040] You could order them on the website. [49:03.300 --> 49:04.900] They come in black and they come in white. [49:05.440 --> 49:06.200] Hackateer logo. [49:06.480 --> 49:07.340] You could be the joint. [49:07.580 --> 49:08.800] You know, it's sort of like Mickey Mouse. [49:09.040 --> 49:10.000] Remember the Mouseketeers? [49:10.100 --> 49:11.100] Anybody here remember that? [49:11.400 --> 49:13.980] No, everybody does, because they got like the new Mouseketeers. [49:14.160 --> 49:15.240] I'm actually in the middle. [49:15.380 --> 49:20.600] Like, I was too, way too young for Annette Felicello, but also too old for... [49:20.600 --> 49:21.000] Britney Spears? [49:21.020 --> 49:21.980] Britney Spears, yeah. [49:22.180 --> 49:27.400] So, you know, I had to, uh, my thing was like, um, Josie and the Pussycats. [49:27.520 --> 49:30.240] That's who I had a poster on the wall of. [49:30.460 --> 49:30.600] Whoo! [49:31.040 --> 49:31.880] Valerie was my girl. [49:32.280 --> 49:33.660] So, that's, that's about it. [49:33.720 --> 49:35.040] I guess we should wrap it up. [49:35.120 --> 49:36.200] I don't see any more questions. [49:36.560 --> 49:39.060] So, um, thank you so much for coming and staying. [49:39.240 --> 49:40.280] I hope you found it entertaining. [49:43.320 --> 49:44.120] That was great. [49:44.360 --> 49:45.120] Thank you so much. [49:46.520 --> 49:46.880] Indeed. [49:47.460 --> 49:49.040] Enjoy the rest of your time here at HOPE. [49:52.770 --> 49:53.290] How is it? [49:53.470 --> 49:53.610] How is it? [49:53.610 --> 49:53.730] It's good. [49:53.810 --> 49:53.850] Good.