[00:02.220 --> 00:04.360]  Basically, you're about to hear from Jason Scott.
[00:04.740 --> 00:10.140]  This is a man who's no stranger to a microphone and a man, really, who needs no introduction.
[00:10.420 --> 00:11.600]  So here's Jason Scott.
[00:16.380 --> 00:17.520]  All right, all right, all right, all right.
[00:17.620 --> 00:18.040]  Let's go.
[00:18.460 --> 00:18.980]  Hi, everyone.
[00:19.080 --> 00:19.840]  I'm Jason Scott.
[00:20.020 --> 00:25.360]  You're at Quick Packets and the Muffled Spark at the HOPE Conference 16 for the people at home.
[00:25.940 --> 00:28.760]  Thanks for watching, either now or in the future.
[00:28.760 --> 00:33.540]  HOPE Conference 16 is the first time that HOPE is having a conference a year.
[00:33.780 --> 00:36.540]  After the next conference, that's a huge dig.
[00:36.760 --> 00:40.360]  And oh, did they choose the exact right time to do it.
[00:40.780 --> 00:47.360]  So with a little bit of struggle and a little bit of time, we were able to completely pack this audience and make this thing happen.
[00:47.580 --> 00:49.860]  So again, to the future.
[00:50.240 --> 00:51.380]  Hope you're doing well.
[00:51.660 --> 00:54.200]  We used to have fish and it was great.
[00:54.820 --> 00:55.460]  All right.
[00:57.500 --> 01:00.040]  I was getting tired of having introductory.
[01:00.280 --> 01:01.200]  So I'm Jason Scott.
[01:01.540 --> 01:03.160]  These are some delicious macaroons.
[01:03.440 --> 01:08.180]  I was a person who created textfiles.com.
[01:08.460 --> 01:10.080]  I've done a couple documentaries.
[01:10.360 --> 01:12.660]  I now work for the Intranet Archive.
[01:12.840 --> 01:24.700]  I am a free range archivist, a title that just means I kind of do a whole bunch of archiving things, a lot of glad handling, and occasionally some public speaking, especially at places like HOPE.
[01:24.840 --> 01:26.260]  I do history work.
[01:26.260 --> 01:27.960]  I do contemporary work.
[01:28.080 --> 01:40.920]  And what I'm about is I'm about gathering history, gathering what we have now before it becomes history, and then presenting it to people in a way that it will kind of either explain itself or be useful.
[01:40.920 --> 01:43.060]  Every year I like to talk about what I'm up to.
[01:43.200 --> 01:44.420]  This is my office now.
[01:44.720 --> 01:45.840]  I have a new office.
[01:46.080 --> 01:48.120]  I love it very, very much.
[01:48.120 --> 01:58.320]  In here I surround myself like some sort of weirdo with equipment and different kinds of media, and I turn it into digital bits that are then lost.
[01:58.620 --> 01:59.180]  Eventually.
[01:59.460 --> 02:00.220]  But not yet.
[02:00.620 --> 02:05.340]  Hard drives, mini DVs, pneumatic tapes, you name it, I got it.
[02:05.340 --> 02:08.480]  And for people who are like, this seems like a bit of a psychosis.
[02:09.240 --> 02:11.820]  I just want to point out, this is me at 16.
[02:13.180 --> 02:15.060]  And this is me at 30.
[02:15.560 --> 02:17.580]  So really, honestly, it's kind of a trend.
[02:17.760 --> 02:18.020]  All right?
[02:18.200 --> 02:20.100]  So this is just another step.
[02:20.220 --> 02:23.860]  By the time I'm 70, I'm going to be like Captain Nemo.
[02:23.940 --> 02:25.080]  And that's just the way it's going to be.
[02:25.560 --> 02:26.820]  So that's a problem.
[02:26.820 --> 02:32.620]  So 20 years ago, I worked on something called the BBS documentary.
[02:33.020 --> 02:38.560]  And the reason I worked on the BBS documentary was because I had made a very large BBS list.
[02:38.660 --> 02:47.600]  And it actually turned out to be a honeypot for people to come to me and go, I can't believe I remember anything about the BBS.
[02:47.820 --> 02:48.980]  But here's what I remember.
[02:49.180 --> 02:50.720]  And they would send me paragraphs.
[02:50.720 --> 02:53.260]  And eventually I said, this is kind of history.
[02:53.680 --> 02:55.120]  This is kind of a story.
[02:55.120 --> 02:57.280]  Somebody should make a movie about it.
[02:57.620 --> 02:59.120]  I went to film school.
[02:59.160 --> 03:00.920]  I never used that degree.
[03:01.360 --> 03:04.740]  So four years later, I came out with this massive documentary.
[03:05.100 --> 03:07.660]  And by the way, now it's absolutely for free.
[03:07.840 --> 03:19.440]  You can go to the Internet Archive, download the three ISOs, because that's normal to set off on your first film at 30 and create a three DVD set.
[03:20.000 --> 03:21.060]  That's how you do it.
[03:21.380 --> 03:25.420]  Do the box set first and then everything else, just do little AVI's.
[03:26.020 --> 03:30.140]  The BBS documentary is... Let's go with popular.
[03:30.400 --> 03:30.860]  It's okay.
[03:31.340 --> 03:32.360]  People like it.
[03:32.500 --> 03:33.680]  They love it or they don't.
[03:33.800 --> 03:36.740]  But it's a piece of work and it's meant to capture history.
[03:37.360 --> 03:39.360]  But then I got to explain what a BBS is.
[03:39.500 --> 03:42.820]  Who here in the audience doesn't know what a BBS is?
[03:43.720 --> 03:44.120]  Excellent.
[03:44.380 --> 03:45.140]  So this is for you.
[03:45.740 --> 03:49.200]  A BBS is a computer on a phone line with a sad person behind it.
[03:49.300 --> 03:54.300]  And that person is sad because no one wants to talk to them.
[03:54.300 --> 04:17.880]  But if they connect a modem to the computer, the modem will allow people to dial in, use the computer, leave messages, be able to talk to people, be able to download files, be able to get into small, short fights about Walter Mondale, and be able to then disconnect and wait patiently,
[04:18.200 --> 04:22.920]  sometimes days or weeks, to get back on again, to do it all over again.
[04:22.920 --> 04:26.420]  Because a BBS was single line.
[04:26.720 --> 04:30.120]  When you looked at a BBS, you had to do a single line.
[04:30.320 --> 04:35.300]  So a professional BBS would have to have a lot of computers with a lot of lines.
[04:35.460 --> 04:37.080]  Just a hint from the future.
[04:37.200 --> 04:38.000]  Don't do this.
[04:38.580 --> 04:39.280]  Don't do this.
[04:39.300 --> 04:40.180]  This is not the solution.
[04:40.360 --> 04:40.880]  Don't do this.
[04:41.300 --> 04:48.840]  But this was a real BBS that people could dial in and it would have 16 or 18 whole simultaneous callers.
[04:49.160 --> 04:50.440]  Most of us didn't do that.
[04:50.520 --> 04:51.380]  So don't think this happened.
[04:51.520 --> 04:52.080]  This was weird.
[04:52.080 --> 04:53.660]  Most of us just did this.
[04:53.840 --> 05:01.260]  Something on our desk, constantly making noise that annoyed our parents and then cost them so much money on phone calls.
[05:01.380 --> 05:05.200]  So that's the kind of BBS era story.
[05:05.940 --> 05:14.680]  But the BBS has a problem, which is the BBS can only take one caller at a time.
[05:14.680 --> 05:21.580]  So if somebody wants to get a beer from the fridge, only one person can get a beer from the fridge.
[05:21.720 --> 05:22.640]  There's going to be a line.
[05:22.820 --> 05:30.300]  And however long you take to get the beer from the fridge is how long it's going to take everybody to wait again and again.
[05:30.300 --> 05:33.080]  There's going to be one person explained in this cutting edge document.
[05:33.300 --> 05:41.620]  You would have the phone line, someone would come in to the modem and the modem would go to the computer and only one person could be on there.
[05:41.760 --> 05:49.300]  And that's a problem because if you want to have your BBS be cool and awesome, you have to start taking measures.
[05:50.500 --> 05:50.940]  Right?
[05:51.320 --> 05:55.880]  And now you've got a problem of your BBS has to have a time limit.
[05:56.020 --> 05:57.600]  You say, oh, you're coming in.
[05:57.700 --> 06:03.420]  If you're not uploading a file, please get off in 15 minutes, get off in 20 minutes.
[06:03.580 --> 06:07.440]  So you either are downloading a file or you're leaving a message for people.
[06:08.420 --> 06:10.760]  And it's not going to be a long message, is it?
[06:10.800 --> 06:12.120]  It's not going to be well thought out.
[06:12.260 --> 06:15.900]  You're going to go, no, yes, I appreciate this.
[06:16.020 --> 06:18.360]  Does anybody know why my floppy disk died?
[06:18.360 --> 06:20.480]  I have it on the fridge with a magnet.
[06:20.760 --> 06:24.780]  And so you would go on to this wonderful world.
[06:24.880 --> 06:41.620]  They looked like this on the inside and you would have all these different amazing things you could do, but it would all be confined into this particular world for 20 minutes or 15 minutes or 50 minutes or however long your BBS could be.
[06:41.620 --> 06:45.900]  So that meant endless busy signals.
[06:46.320 --> 06:47.360]  You're calling in.
[06:47.440 --> 06:47.840]  It's busy.
[06:48.000 --> 06:48.860]  Better check tomorrow.
[06:49.020 --> 06:50.160]  Better call at 3 in the morning.
[06:50.560 --> 06:52.540]  Start treating it like it's a cryptocurrency.
[06:52.640 --> 06:53.940]  It's going to get better tomorrow.
[06:54.120 --> 06:55.080]  It's going to get worse tomorrow.
[06:55.160 --> 06:56.020]  I'm going to win.
[06:56.100 --> 06:57.420]  This was our cryptocurrency.
[06:57.920 --> 07:00.900]  Based on nothing, we thought it would be better tomorrow.
[07:00.900 --> 07:06.480]  And so we have this beautiful World War 4 version 4.23 menu.
[07:06.780 --> 07:09.400]  You can see, you can leave messages, see what's new.
[07:09.600 --> 07:10.360]  You can vote.
[07:10.500 --> 07:11.880]  You can have general files.
[07:12.160 --> 07:13.760]  And that was the experience.
[07:13.940 --> 07:16.700]  Now, in the 90s, they got a little more tricky with it.
[07:16.740 --> 07:18.440]  So it really got super stylish.
[07:18.520 --> 07:20.180]  But the problem is still there.
[07:20.500 --> 07:21.280]  Doesn't matter.
[07:21.440 --> 07:25.740]  Because you got in, you can look at the new listings, whatever, and you're crunched.
[07:25.740 --> 07:29.700]  In other words, there's a problem, right?
[07:29.860 --> 07:30.860]  There's a problem.
[07:31.060 --> 07:32.720]  You have all these things you can do.
[07:32.860 --> 07:37.400]  Oh, and by the way, phone calls will destroy your family.
[07:38.900 --> 07:43.320]  We actually used to have it that when it got to be like after 5, it was cheaper.
[07:43.540 --> 07:47.020]  And after 11, it was even more cheap.
[07:47.280 --> 07:54.840]  And so you would destroy your endocrine system at age 15, waiting till 1 in the morning for your parents to be totally asleep.
[07:54.840 --> 07:59.020]  So you could do four hours of calls until you heard them stirring.
[07:59.380 --> 08:02.960]  This was, this was a heist movie every night that you had to do.
[08:03.240 --> 08:06.380]  And so the modem is expensive.
[08:06.380 --> 08:08.060]  The time on it is expensive.
[08:08.060 --> 08:09.260]  You might not get in.
[08:09.380 --> 08:12.200]  This is a miasma of problems.
[08:13.020 --> 08:14.760]  Somebody needs to fix this.
[08:15.000 --> 08:15.700]  All right?
[08:15.700 --> 08:19.780]  So the fixing came in the form of something called QUIK.
[08:20.920 --> 08:22.720]  Q-W-K.
[08:23.020 --> 08:26.280]  Who here knows if I say QUIK or a QUIK packet?
[08:26.760 --> 08:27.420]  QMail Deluxe.
[08:27.460 --> 08:27.700]  Anybody?
[08:28.000 --> 08:28.200]  Okay?
[08:28.860 --> 08:29.160]  All right.
[08:29.520 --> 08:30.160]  You know, don't be hesitant.
[08:30.420 --> 08:31.700]  It's not a confession.
[08:32.400 --> 08:35.900]  It's a badge of honor to know about QUIK packets.
[08:36.120 --> 08:41.860]  They have lots of names, QUIK, offline readers, QMail Deluxe, or just QUIK packets, as I call it.
[08:41.860 --> 08:43.620]  But a lot of people will say QWK.
[08:43.960 --> 08:48.860]  It's one of those things like GIF GIF where you didn't have to hear it very much.
[08:49.040 --> 08:51.080]  So you would just come up with your own name.
[08:51.820 --> 08:57.140]  And the QUIK packet changed everything about BBSs.
[08:57.360 --> 09:00.600]  It was invented in 1987 by Mark Herring.
[09:01.160 --> 09:17.640]  Its operation was take all of the new different things that had happened since the last time you connected, put them into a formatted set of files, and then compress that, and then make it available for download.
[09:18.200 --> 09:22.660]  So the idea is you'd connect to a BBS and it would go, hey, you got a QUIK reader.
[09:22.860 --> 09:24.300]  And then you would grab it down.
[09:24.540 --> 09:29.640]  Now you can have 100 people a day on your BBS, in theory.
[09:30.480 --> 09:34.800]  People could use these QUIK packets to download all the new stuff immediately.
[09:35.520 --> 09:36.240]  Read it offline.
[09:36.520 --> 09:38.280]  Now there's additional benefits to that.
[09:38.280 --> 09:42.760]  If you look at the QMail Deluxe, you set up your system.
[09:42.940 --> 09:45.540]  You can be connected to different systems.
[09:45.540 --> 09:50.460]  You can actually even enter new messages without having called the BBS first.
[09:50.540 --> 09:52.400]  So you're actually doing a store forward.
[09:52.620 --> 09:55.360]  You're actually able to enter a message and send it along.
[09:55.700 --> 09:59.700]  You are able to archive what files are coming in.
[09:59.840 --> 10:04.640]  You're able to enter a message and you're able to join and get rid of conferences.
[10:04.640 --> 10:07.180]  In other words, the full BBS experience.
[10:07.460 --> 10:14.860]  Now you're not on a phone slowly sweating to death over how much of the family car is not going to be paid for this month.
[10:15.120 --> 10:24.420]  And you have something else which is magical, which is you have the ability to take as long as you damn want to get your thoughts in place.
[10:24.420 --> 10:28.320]  So now everybody on the BBS thinks you're smart.
[10:29.420 --> 10:32.640]  Because everyone else is going, no, yes, no, whatever, Mondale.
[10:32.860 --> 10:39.780]  And then suddenly there's somebody going, well, you know, gentlemen, I'm not completely sure you have the full features of the problem at hand.
[10:39.780 --> 10:41.560]  And everyone's like, what's with this guy?
[10:42.080 --> 10:43.760]  What crazy brain juice?
[10:43.960 --> 10:46.020]  Red Bull hasn't been invented yet.
[10:47.540 --> 10:52.900]  So people just don't know the mystery and the magic of how goddamn brilliant you are.
[10:53.140 --> 10:56.060]  So it's an incredible, incredible piece of work.
[10:56.180 --> 11:00.020]  This is a really beautiful program, right?
[11:00.120 --> 11:01.420]  Because it just solves the problem.
[11:01.740 --> 11:02.640]  Solves the problem.
[11:03.420 --> 11:06.780]  Solving the problem actually turns out to be complicated on the back end.
[11:06.780 --> 11:21.380]  So if you take a look at the quick packet format, just for us to look at it, it's based partially off of a PC board format, and then gets modified by both the creator, Mark Herring, and then others later to accommodate a whole bunch of problems.
[11:21.660 --> 11:24.680]  So again, you don't have to know all of this.
[11:24.980 --> 11:27.600]  There'll be a test, but you don't have to know all of it.
[11:27.700 --> 11:40.560]  There's the BBS's name, who runs the BBS, the different pieces of the mail registration program, which the conferences, which of the conferences you're downloading from, what they are.
[11:40.780 --> 11:42.180]  There's additional files.
[11:42.380 --> 11:45.240]  They end up becoming this amazing thing.
[11:46.280 --> 11:49.860]  Because it's all being pulled in at once, right?
[11:50.060 --> 11:52.480]  You have a beautiful, simple packet.
[11:52.640 --> 11:58.740]  And once you're actually in the actual packet itself, you end up with a file called messages.dat.
[12:00.120 --> 12:10.000]  Messages.dat is the messages that are in the BBS, and it always says, produced by Qmail, copyright by Sparkware at the beginning.
[12:10.100 --> 12:12.680]  So that's how you can do grep searches in the modern era.
[12:12.920 --> 12:17.320]  You look for that name, and you're able to find these different packets.
[12:17.540 --> 12:21.000]  And again, it's all the data associated with the messaging.
[12:21.000 --> 12:25.720]  So there's an interesting situation there.
[12:25.880 --> 12:28.160]  If you look down, it says tutor.qwk.
[12:28.360 --> 12:29.660]  That's just a file.
[12:29.880 --> 12:34.240]  It's just a file to tutor you through using Qmail Deluxe.
[12:34.320 --> 12:44.840]  In other words, it's a self-contained, small file that gives you a world of information that doesn't need any external references to do it.
[12:44.840 --> 12:47.920]  To historians, this is heroin.
[12:48.880 --> 12:57.740]  You are dealing with a piece of information that is, in its own way, fungible, immortal, and able to do what you need.
[12:58.380 --> 13:03.860]  So the Qmail program, in other words, is generating history.
[13:03.860 --> 13:06.700]  It's actually generating a log of these BBSs.
[13:06.800 --> 13:14.920]  And as somebody who has had to hand-type off of printed paper the things that people wrote, this is the way to go.
[13:16.160 --> 13:22.200]  In it, it has a dedication from Mark, who was able to turn this into a business, Sparkware.
[13:22.200 --> 13:35.400]  And in this dedication for one of the Qmail Deluxes, he thanks his children and his family for all of those missed Saturdays and Sundays, for understanding this is our business, this is how we make our money.
[13:35.720 --> 13:37.320]  Without them, you would never see this.
[13:39.080 --> 13:44.880]  Mark actually went on to a little bit of fame, actually, as the quick packet guy.
[13:44.880 --> 13:49.900]  Actually gets, hey, look, if you get a board watch cover, you're set.
[13:50.120 --> 13:50.620]  Okay?
[13:50.880 --> 13:51.440]  You're set.
[13:51.520 --> 13:52.100]  You're set for life.
[13:52.320 --> 14:01.820]  So the quick mail packet, the quick mail ecosystem, was growing steadily in the early 1990s.
[14:02.920 --> 14:05.060]  And then 1996 happened.
[14:05.580 --> 14:08.920]  Now, people are always looking for when's the end of the BBS.
[14:09.160 --> 14:11.120]  The end of the BBS is May of 1996.
[14:11.280 --> 14:14.480]  I wasted a lot of time learning this.
[14:14.480 --> 14:16.860]  So, I'm just telling you that's the fact.
[14:17.060 --> 14:19.200]  And I can give you tons of citations.
[14:19.820 --> 14:25.160]  May of 1996, it's just after the introduction of Trumpet Windsock for Windows.
[14:25.640 --> 14:28.860]  People connect to the Internet, and they never get off.
[14:29.300 --> 14:36.620]  And literal conversations with piles of businesses, who are like, we had 400 customers in January.
[14:36.620 --> 14:38.960]  We had none in June.
[14:39.180 --> 14:40.620]  And we had none in July.
[14:40.720 --> 14:42.540]  And we had no office in August.
[14:42.540 --> 14:46.160]  And that's just the end of this thing, falling apart.
[14:47.180 --> 14:54.040]  So, when I started to work on the BBS documentary, I knew I had to cover quick packets.
[14:54.280 --> 15:02.740]  Just like I knew I had to cover modem strings, and I needed to cover war dialing, and I needed to cover the fight between Ark and Zip, the battle.
[15:03.100 --> 15:08.480]  I needed to cover all of these things, because without having this history, we wouldn't have the record of it.
[15:08.480 --> 15:16.840]  So that's how we ended up in the BBS documentary with me interviewing Mark Herring, at a hotel room, for about two hours.
[15:17.120 --> 15:19.540]  Got along fantastically well.
[15:19.680 --> 15:21.660]  He's wearing his Sparkwear T-shirt.
[15:21.940 --> 15:24.580]  I am using a cheap-ass camera.
[15:24.840 --> 15:28.280]  Not cheap at the time, but standard definition of go-go.
[15:28.700 --> 15:32.160]  Always annoyed when people are like, why don't you release a high-definition version?
[15:32.160 --> 15:34.620]  And I'm like, close your eyes.
[15:34.880 --> 15:36.420]  That's the high-definition version.
[15:37.440 --> 15:39.040]  It's not there for you, buddy.
[15:39.380 --> 15:40.460]  I don't got nothing.
[15:40.700 --> 15:44.180]  I went in this room, and I interviewed this guy, and he had an amazing T-shirt.
[15:44.600 --> 15:49.690]  And so... absolutely.
[15:50.290 --> 15:52.150]  So we had a really good time.
[15:52.410 --> 16:00.010]  Now, for the BBS documentary, I interviewed about 201 people, 202 people.
[16:00.630 --> 16:02.510]  That means I had no life.
[16:02.750 --> 16:05.570]  And it also means I only got a small amount of time with everybody.
[16:06.130 --> 16:09.210]  Sometimes I'd go there and interview them and be like an hour or two.
[16:09.390 --> 16:12.310]  Some people would be a little longer, but then it'd be like, hey, how you doing?
[16:12.430 --> 16:12.910]  Good stuff.
[16:13.030 --> 16:14.810]  Oh, God, what's the sound in here?
[16:14.950 --> 16:15.830]  How can I do this?
[16:16.010 --> 16:18.050]  Can I convince you to turn off the air conditioner?
[16:18.570 --> 16:20.130]  I'm sorry, you're sweating on the camera.
[16:20.330 --> 16:21.390]  I'll pull it back a little bit.
[16:21.530 --> 16:22.070]  Can I do this?
[16:22.130 --> 16:22.650]  Can I do this?
[16:22.730 --> 16:23.570]  This was great.
[16:23.850 --> 16:26.270]  Ask a bunch of questions, listen to them, do a whole thing.
[16:26.270 --> 16:29.430]  And then, you know, it was great to meet you.
[16:29.770 --> 16:30.370]  See you later.
[16:30.650 --> 16:35.010]  I have to now drive 105 miles to the person who invented the F key.
[16:35.290 --> 16:36.750]  So see you soon.
[16:37.150 --> 16:37.810]  See you soon.
[16:38.030 --> 16:39.570]  So that was it for me and Mark.
[16:40.790 --> 16:43.970]  He shows up in the BBS documentary multiple times.
[16:44.030 --> 16:49.990]  The art of documentary filmmaking is filming somebody for two hours for them to give you 35 seconds of good footage.
[16:50.450 --> 16:51.810]  And his footage was great.
[16:51.930 --> 16:53.050]  All their footage was great.
[16:53.090 --> 16:54.250]  But you look for quotes.
[16:54.250 --> 16:55.930]  So his quote in it is looking back on it.
[16:56.050 --> 16:58.250]  I like to tell people I made the world's best buggy whips.
[16:58.730 --> 17:08.250]  Because by 1996, Sparkware closes and he moves on to consulting and programming and doing all the things a person who's capable of inventing these things does.
[17:08.450 --> 17:13.450]  You'll find out that there will be people who did some amazing thing with BBSs.
[17:13.590 --> 17:15.950]  And then, well, now they're doing financial data.
[17:16.430 --> 17:21.310]  He worked on a variety of jobs and consultancies, gave other people information.
[17:21.310 --> 17:26.110]  He was, in other words, in a career past BBSs as we all were.
[17:26.210 --> 17:29.570]  By that time, it's all Internet all the time.
[17:31.290 --> 17:34.110]  Now, let's fast forward a little bit.
[17:34.210 --> 17:36.990]  Let's fast forward to 2020, right?
[17:37.210 --> 17:41.670]  Now, I'd maintain friendships or correspondence with some of my interviewees.
[17:42.350 --> 17:44.650]  And some of them wouldn't write to me for a while.
[17:45.090 --> 17:52.910]  Or, sadly, I'd get a mail from their widow saying, Hey, Jason, just so you know, there was this thing and they're gone now.
[17:52.910 --> 17:54.370]  But I really loved your interview.
[17:54.630 --> 17:55.110]  Thanks a lot.
[17:55.190 --> 17:56.150]  And I'd be like, that's cool.
[17:56.910 --> 17:58.570]  Anyway, I get a mail from Mark.
[17:58.670 --> 18:02.650]  And again, you don't have to read all this, but this is Mark Herring mailing me.
[18:02.650 --> 18:04.930]  And he said, Hey, I found your podcast.
[18:04.930 --> 18:07.410]  I have a podcast, which just means I have a heartbeat.
[18:07.590 --> 18:08.270]  Don't worry about it.
[18:09.650 --> 18:11.850]  And I got kind of intrigued.
[18:11.850 --> 18:17.390]  And wow, remember when we interviewed with each other back in, you know, 23 years ago.
[18:17.590 --> 18:19.810]  Hey, you know, I've been thinking about quick packets.
[18:20.030 --> 18:21.550]  And I just set up a copy.
[18:22.010 --> 18:25.450]  And I'm thinking maybe we could write something together.
[18:26.130 --> 18:27.550]  And wouldn't that be neat?
[18:28.990 --> 18:31.750]  And I love when people are excited about that.
[18:31.750 --> 18:41.570]  Nobody is under any responsibility to have to kind of go over the bones of their existence, to go over the things they used to do.
[18:41.670 --> 18:45.090]  Nobody has to be, you know, full of memory, right?
[18:45.230 --> 18:46.310]  They don't have to do that.
[18:46.430 --> 18:47.310]  Some people choose to.
[18:47.690 --> 18:51.490]  And some people look at it and they say, wouldn't it be neat if it was like the old days?
[18:51.490 --> 18:52.630]  We can make games again.
[18:52.950 --> 18:57.270]  And then they look at it all and they go, Oh, yeah, I'm not 21.
[18:58.450 --> 19:01.010]  I like to sleep more than four hours a night.
[19:01.670 --> 19:03.110]  Maybe I won't make a game.
[19:03.310 --> 19:04.310]  Maybe I'll play some games.
[19:04.490 --> 19:05.190]  Maybe I'll do an interview.
[19:05.730 --> 19:09.310]  So I wasn't bothered when, you know, essentially, Mark ghosted me.
[19:09.630 --> 19:10.630]  You know, he disappeared.
[19:11.570 --> 19:14.170]  I was like, wow, we could do something with this.
[19:14.510 --> 19:14.910]  Right?
[19:15.150 --> 19:16.830]  What if we found all the quick packets?
[19:18.590 --> 19:23.330]  And I use something called disk master, which is a project that I'm associated with.
[19:23.510 --> 19:28.270]  I'm the person in front because the people who work on it are worried someone's going to get mad at them.
[19:28.370 --> 19:30.450]  And I'm like, people get mad at me all the time.
[19:31.790 --> 19:32.910]  I'll be your front.
[19:33.110 --> 19:33.890]  Go for it.
[19:34.370 --> 19:34.870]  Ha ha ha.
[19:35.370 --> 19:38.490]  It's like that North Korean interview thing, except it's BBS data.
[19:38.490 --> 19:38.970]  Do it.
[19:40.810 --> 19:50.670]  So diskmaster.textfiles.com has tens of thousands of CD-ROMs pulled down, analyzed, searchable, readable in a semantic format.
[19:50.850 --> 19:54.830]  It is the most incredible thing in computer software history that you will ever see.
[19:54.830 --> 19:58.790]  And here I'm using it to say, hey, buddy, got any quick packets?
[19:59.190 --> 20:01.930]  And even my initial search showed, no, I have dozens.
[20:01.970 --> 20:03.190]  I have dozens of quick packets.
[20:03.310 --> 20:05.550]  So I was like, maybe I'll keep going with this.
[20:05.650 --> 20:07.030]  This could actually be pretty exciting.
[20:08.050 --> 20:09.750]  But like I said, Mark ghosted me.
[20:09.830 --> 20:10.430]  And that's fine.
[20:10.590 --> 20:11.810]  He'll get back to me later.
[20:12.710 --> 20:13.710]  He'll write to me.
[20:13.770 --> 20:14.210]  They do this.
[20:14.290 --> 20:15.050]  They do all this stuff.
[20:15.570 --> 20:22.570]  And it wasn't until a little while later, like a year or two later, that I saw his name pop up again.
[20:22.570 --> 20:28.210]  And he had popped up again because he had died during a swatting.
[20:28.550 --> 20:34.830]  He had died of a heart attack during the swatting where they had descended on him with guns.
[20:34.990 --> 20:41.050]  And during the kerfuffle where they were demanding he show up and come over to them and they were making him climb over a fence.
[20:41.250 --> 20:45.110]  He had a heart attack from the stress, went to the hospital and died.
[20:45.110 --> 20:51.250]  And now, instead of being the quick packet guy, he was Tennessee man.
[20:52.130 --> 20:58.930]  Partially because he had been swatted possibly because of the handle he had on Twitter, which was Tennessee.
[20:59.390 --> 21:01.390]  And people had demanded it and he had said no.
[21:01.770 --> 21:06.090]  And suddenly swat team showed up at his door, scared the crap out of him and killed him.
[21:06.090 --> 21:11.090]  So, my friend was gone because of swatting.
[21:11.250 --> 21:16.810]  Now, among the folks, I will find that people go, what is swatting?
[21:17.070 --> 21:18.690]  What exactly is swatting?
[21:18.970 --> 21:21.310]  And what is it supposed to be?
[21:22.230 --> 21:22.990]  You know?
[21:23.870 --> 21:30.650]  It's a, it's a, you know, prank, like a, like cancer's a cough.
[21:30.790 --> 21:31.270]  You know what I mean?
[21:31.310 --> 21:34.050]  It's often defined because people go, it's crazy.
[21:34.050 --> 21:35.490]  We called cops to his door.
[21:35.630 --> 21:40.130]  But America has changed about how it handles emergency situations.
[21:40.530 --> 21:47.290]  If you go look up modern writing, it will talk about swatting and the danger of this.
[21:47.290 --> 21:49.370]  And, and they're false emergency calls.
[21:49.570 --> 21:52.870]  You make a call to a emergency 911.
[21:53.170 --> 21:57.010]  You declare a bunch of things are happening that aren't happening.
[21:57.210 --> 22:03.190]  And they are designed to elicit the fastest response with the least amount of reaction time.
[22:03.650 --> 22:09.730]  The idea being that they will get into place because they cannot possibly wait another second.
[22:09.730 --> 22:17.270]  So you've added all of this opportunity for mistakes to happen, for overreach to happen, for everything else to happen.
[22:17.730 --> 22:27.730]  And you initially had a case when they were doing this that they would really, really, really go whole hog.
[22:27.990 --> 22:33.350]  Break down every door, every window, come in, grab everybody, regardless of age, drop them down.
[22:33.350 --> 22:35.550]  Now it's gotten better.
[22:37.210 --> 22:37.810]  Better.
[22:38.530 --> 22:43.210]  But it's still one of the worst things a person can do to somebody remotely.
[22:44.630 --> 22:52.710]  When these people are talking about swatting, they are specifically talking about this person had an emergency call done in his name.
[22:52.910 --> 22:55.410]  And that they descended on his home.
[22:55.630 --> 23:01.350]  And that there were many, many cops out there with guns drawn when this was happening.
[23:02.350 --> 23:10.950]  So there's a documentary called Peace Officer, where the man who introduced swatting to Utah had his son-in-law killed by a SWAT team.
[23:11.130 --> 23:15.490]  And if anybody is interested in this subject, I highly recommend it.
[23:15.630 --> 23:20.530]  It is a great documentary because this man has been spending years and years investigating.
[23:20.530 --> 23:25.050]  And in my opinion, what he's really investigating is he caused a monster he didn't understand.
[23:25.190 --> 23:27.030]  That his son was in distress.
[23:27.390 --> 23:35.290]  And you can watch as they slowly but surely kill him in a standoff because of the swatting militarization that's happened.
[23:35.490 --> 23:38.630]  The militarization of American police, it's not great.
[23:38.630 --> 23:43.210]  And it's a trend that's continued to reap horrifying benefits.
[23:45.470 --> 23:52.210]  As a bonus, SWATing is completely, completely random based on state.
[23:52.510 --> 23:55.690]  It ranges from a misdemeanor to 15 years.
[23:55.950 --> 23:59.910]  It can go as an add-on to say, Andy SWATed them.
[24:00.230 --> 24:07.690]  Or it can move into, we think that he was doing this and therefore give him a minimum of 15 years.
[24:07.690 --> 24:09.050]  It is completely random.
[24:09.450 --> 24:11.690]  And so for some places, it's a felony.
[24:11.870 --> 24:12.950]  In other ones, it's a misdemeanor.
[24:13.110 --> 24:17.610]  There's no, absolutely no consistency along this crime.
[24:18.850 --> 24:24.750]  Of course, somebody has been trying to introduce the federal level Anti-SWATing Act.
[24:25.230 --> 24:34.410]  And I don't need to go further into that other than to point out that he introduced the SWATing Act of 2015, the SWATing Act of 2018, the SWATing Act of 2019.
[24:34.930 --> 24:39.430]  All of them dying in committee and it's 2025 and there's no more Anti-SWATing Act being proposed.
[24:40.950 --> 24:42.450]  So SWATing, SWATing sucks.
[24:43.350 --> 24:44.810]  SWATing takes people away.
[24:46.110 --> 24:47.610]  SWATing is a terrible thing.
[24:47.790 --> 24:51.850]  And I used to deal with people in my community and others who were like, it's harmless.
[24:52.410 --> 24:54.190]  And I'm like, I don't think it's harmless.
[24:54.930 --> 24:56.090]  And I was furious.
[24:56.090 --> 24:58.090]  And I was like, maybe I could do something.
[24:58.830 --> 24:59.790]  What could I do?
[24:59.790 --> 25:07.430]  I could write something to, I don't know, move the needle?
[25:07.730 --> 25:08.970]  Maybe make a testimony?
[25:09.930 --> 25:18.550]  But mostly what I did was on Twitter, I made lots of annoyed comments about my associate friend, Mark Herring's death.
[25:18.710 --> 25:20.650]  And how this is not the way to remember him.
[25:20.790 --> 25:23.190]  Please remember the quick packets, I said on Twitter.
[25:23.190 --> 25:26.810]  This was done back when Twitter was a service.
[25:27.390 --> 25:31.310]  So anyway, it was back in, you know, 2021, 2022.
[25:34.110 --> 25:35.650]  And that should have been it.
[25:35.830 --> 25:37.430]  I get mad at a lot of things.
[25:39.090 --> 25:39.710]  All right.
[25:39.710 --> 25:40.970]  So you've been SWATed.
[25:42.470 --> 25:50.650]  January of this year, one of the homes associated with me was surrounded by police with a story of a situation.
[25:51.450 --> 26:00.350]  And a lot of people were pulled out of a house with guns drawn on them to work out a story that turned out, of course, not to be true, but did mention my name.
[26:00.350 --> 26:02.610]  And I was called about it.
[26:03.410 --> 26:10.110]  And now I have a history with dealing with people.
[26:10.570 --> 26:29.390]  And so the first thing I did was call every member of my family and everybody who I could reach of places I knew I'd lived and said, this is going on, which is good because the second swatting happened 30 minutes later, elsewhere.
[26:30.010 --> 26:33.370]  And the next day, the swatting happened elsewhere.
[26:33.750 --> 26:38.110]  And then the fourth swatting and then the fifth swatting.
[26:38.350 --> 26:42.530]  So basically, somebody sent an army to kill me.
[26:43.270 --> 26:44.870]  Now, that was January of 2025.
[26:45.390 --> 26:46.470]  Still got my top hat.
[26:46.710 --> 26:52.070]  This picture is a picture I took in Melbourne, Australia in 2017.
[26:52.590 --> 26:55.750]  It's the last picture on my phone roll before I had a heart attack.
[26:56.830 --> 26:57.970]  I had a heart attack.
[26:58.170 --> 26:58.770]  I did fine.
[26:59.010 --> 26:59.470]  I'm great.
[26:59.670 --> 27:00.110]  Don't worry.
[27:00.310 --> 27:00.910]  Don't look at this.
[27:01.030 --> 27:01.690]  This is fine.
[27:02.190 --> 27:03.670]  I'm in my 50s now.
[27:04.110 --> 27:04.850]  I'm pretty good.
[27:05.550 --> 27:10.570]  But the reason I have this photo, the reason I bring you this photo is because we don't get to choose our ends every time.
[27:10.970 --> 27:16.370]  We don't get to choose what we were doing or what was mattering to us, what we were up to at the end.
[27:17.490 --> 27:24.190]  We find ourselves, you know, facing a distress, whether it's medical or something else or personal.
[27:24.370 --> 27:24.770]  And that's it.
[27:24.850 --> 27:25.650]  That's the story we get.
[27:25.730 --> 27:28.150]  We don't get to write the fun, happy, good luck bow.
[27:28.290 --> 27:31.190]  We say nice things to people when we meet them.
[27:31.190 --> 27:41.370]  I still recommend at conferences like this that if somebody you see you like, please reach out to them and tell them how much you mean to them.
[27:41.810 --> 27:43.010]  Even if it's ambient.
[27:44.070 --> 27:48.230]  Yeah, some of them will get a little huggy, but then just, you know, take the hug and then we keep moving on.
[27:49.350 --> 27:56.510]  So when I'm talking about this, I'm not talking about this to cause people to be sad for me.
[27:57.090 --> 28:01.390]  It's that I want you to know kind of how I approach this.
[28:01.770 --> 28:06.990]  And one of the things that I did was invite something I would never do as a hacker.
[28:07.130 --> 28:10.690]  I invited the local police for a visit and said, come look in.
[28:11.090 --> 28:12.330]  I'm a normal guy.
[28:13.090 --> 28:13.970]  Everything's fine.
[28:14.730 --> 28:19.610]  The next time you visit, I would like the standard package instead of the deluxe package.
[28:20.790 --> 28:23.230]  And they said, we will give you the standard package.
[28:23.450 --> 28:30.750]  And I did a lot of traveling to a lot of locations that had my name on it or name adjacent to me.
[28:30.910 --> 28:39.350]  I spoke to a lot of people in my life who had been now negatively affected for the crime of knowing me.
[28:39.350 --> 28:41.030]  And I was aware of that.
[28:41.570 --> 28:56.570]  And I realized that being targeted for this sort of thing is perhaps endemic of living a life that you make noise online.
[28:57.150 --> 29:03.510]  And I have certainly had some amazing death threats over the years, but we have the topper here.
[29:03.510 --> 29:16.370]  And when you might you find yourself in a stressful situation, perhaps not swatting, but perhaps something, an altercation or whatever, realize this is the one piece of advice I have, right?
[29:17.610 --> 29:19.530]  Realize you won't win that game.
[29:20.610 --> 29:23.590]  Like, you got got.
[29:24.250 --> 29:25.750]  You're now in a situation.
[29:25.750 --> 29:30.450]  It would be great if you could just go snap, rewind, but you can't.
[29:30.850 --> 29:33.470]  So don't be the person you wish you were.
[29:33.750 --> 29:36.530]  Be the person that they think they want.
[29:36.770 --> 29:48.830]  They want the supplicant person who's listening, who's talking quietly, who doesn't make sudden moves, who's just listening to the instructions being given, not taking an issue.
[29:48.830 --> 29:56.870]  You have plenty of time to be a flamboyant, top-hatted person months and years later as a result.
[29:58.570 --> 30:11.330]  But there's more to this than I want you to know, which is I fucking hate the idea that Mark Sparky Herring becomes Tennessee Man.
[30:12.190 --> 30:17.910]  I take a risk being so loud and so weird about the thing that happened to him at the end of his life.
[30:18.110 --> 30:26.710]  But the end of his life is this little tiny red line on a full arc of creation, of innovation, of wonder.
[30:27.410 --> 30:43.110]  And the reason why this talk started with all that, about quick packets, about everything else, was because the Internet is designed for shock and value, and I wanted there to be knowledge, history.
[30:43.330 --> 30:47.250]  The spirit of Mark Herring that created quick packets lives in many people.
[30:47.470 --> 30:52.610]  And he decided to fix a problem that many people didn't quite see as a problem.
[30:53.010 --> 30:54.470]  That's just how it was.
[30:54.590 --> 30:55.790]  BBSs were busy.
[30:56.010 --> 30:57.450]  You couldn't write anything.
[30:57.450 --> 30:59.510]  But he fixed it.
[30:59.730 --> 31:02.770]  And in doing so, he caused this flowering.
[31:02.950 --> 31:10.450]  The amount of cool BBS messages that we have from archives can be laid at his feet.
[31:10.510 --> 31:12.910]  Because now they're written with offline readers.
[31:13.490 --> 31:18.550]  Once Telnet comes in, sure, everything's going fine and go-dandy.
[31:18.670 --> 31:21.130]  But that is an economic advantage.
[31:21.130 --> 31:23.470]  You go to a college, you work at the military.
[31:23.470 --> 31:32.530]  But he created it so that just a person running a machine at home could have a flowering set of inspiration and wonder.
[31:32.670 --> 31:34.170]  And that's the man I want you to know.
[31:34.370 --> 31:36.690]  Mark Sparky Herring.
[31:37.750 --> 31:39.670]  He lived a long, full life.
[31:39.830 --> 31:40.690]  He had children.
[31:40.870 --> 31:41.850]  He had grandchildren.
[31:42.450 --> 31:46.050]  He is not with us anymore, but he is with us.
[31:46.090 --> 31:48.010]  And that is the person that I remember.
[31:48.250 --> 31:52.550]  That is the person I will work to make people know.
[31:52.550 --> 31:56.210]  I have made Qmail Deluxe emulate in the browser.
[31:56.830 --> 31:57.650]  Why not?
[31:57.890 --> 32:00.530]  And I will always be on the search for quick packets.
[32:00.670 --> 32:05.150]  For the historical leavings and gatherings that he helped embody.
[32:05.430 --> 32:10.910]  Even if he's not able to write the code that he wanted to write, we're going to make it happen.
[32:11.230 --> 32:15.270]  So it's going to be a story that continues.
[32:15.930 --> 32:19.150]  So the little red line will be the red line.
[32:19.390 --> 32:21.290]  And maybe we'll see some laws from it.
[32:21.550 --> 32:23.090]  Maybe we'll see some change from it.
[32:23.450 --> 32:28.010]  But for now, I just want you to remember a really great guy.
[32:28.930 --> 32:29.470]  Thank you.
[32:44.620 --> 32:46.020]  So how's everyone's night?
[32:47.120 --> 32:47.840]  Doing good?
[32:48.560 --> 32:50.260]  I'm giving a talk about interviewing.
[32:50.740 --> 32:53.960]  More like a workshop about interviewing at 8 o'clock.
[32:54.180 --> 32:54.980]  I think it's 8 o'clock.
[32:55.080 --> 32:56.160]  Is it 8 o'clock or 7 o'clock?
[32:56.280 --> 32:56.800]  8 o'clock.
[32:56.880 --> 32:57.240]  8 o'clock.
[32:57.580 --> 32:59.140]  And I will be around.
[32:59.420 --> 33:01.540]  I am hosting Hackers Got Talent tomorrow.
[33:02.060 --> 33:06.220]  Which is, of course, one of the weirdest things that will happen in your life.
[33:06.980 --> 33:13.740]  Anybody who remembers the ocarina incident from last year will be like, oh, thank goodness.
[33:15.520 --> 33:17.760]  Remember, it's not about great talent.
[33:18.140 --> 33:20.060]  It's about the talent in the room.
[33:21.100 --> 33:23.320]  Be the talent in the room.
[33:25.180 --> 33:27.300]  I often get asked if I want to do questions.
[33:27.300 --> 33:28.560]  How much time do I have left?
[33:28.680 --> 33:29.640]  I just went.
[33:30.140 --> 33:31.280]  What time is it, folks?
[33:33.460 --> 33:34.020]  Hmm?
[33:34.720 --> 33:35.580]  25 minutes?
[33:36.300 --> 33:37.940]  God, what am I going to talk about?
[33:38.200 --> 33:41.540]  How will Jason fill the idea with words?
[33:42.120 --> 33:44.060]  Says everybody who doesn't know him.
[33:46.720 --> 33:49.360]  Let's just go over a few quick things.
[33:49.940 --> 33:54.060]  So first of all, yes, like I said, wonderful guy.
[33:55.080 --> 33:56.300]  Glad I knew him.
[33:56.600 --> 33:58.440]  Glad I got some small time with him.
[33:59.440 --> 34:05.920]  Easily 40% or 30 or 40% of the BBS documentary interviewees are gone now.
[34:06.520 --> 34:08.520]  Like they just aged out.
[34:08.800 --> 34:10.840]  Some of them got sick very young.
[34:11.300 --> 34:12.680]  Some of them knew they were dying.
[34:13.340 --> 34:16.160]  Two of them knew they were dying before they did their interviews.
[34:16.160 --> 34:18.440]  And they were gone before the movie ever came out.
[34:18.860 --> 34:22.600]  Their families were very happy that I had two hours of their loved ones talking.
[34:22.600 --> 34:29.580]  It was meant to be more than just a fun little YouTube thing.
[34:29.720 --> 34:36.300]  You know, nowadays, man, YouTube documentaries is like a slideshow with a baritone voice.
[34:36.740 --> 34:42.600]  And I really loved traveling, learning about these homes, learning about these people, having dinner with them.
[34:42.600 --> 34:44.680]  I only got kicked out of one house.
[34:44.880 --> 34:47.300]  I think that's very good for 205 interviews.
[34:47.900 --> 34:49.420]  And it wasn't my fault.
[34:49.740 --> 34:51.460]  So don't worry about that.
[34:52.000 --> 34:53.520]  Does anybody have any questions?
[34:56.300 --> 35:00.460]  You're allowed to have no questions and be like, free time!
[35:02.380 --> 35:09.740]  If you've not been to hope before, hope depends utterly on the people in it.
[35:09.960 --> 35:12.440]  It's a machine that eats people.
[35:13.340 --> 35:15.820]  But actually, it just makes them feel better.
[35:15.960 --> 35:18.800]  They talk about things, they share their thoughts, everything else.
[35:19.040 --> 35:20.120]  You have a question.
[35:20.340 --> 35:20.940]  What's your question?
[35:21.080 --> 35:21.120]  I do.
[35:21.340 --> 35:23.440]  First off, thank you, Jason, for all your work.
[35:23.540 --> 35:25.060]  I remember seeing you many hopes ago.
[35:25.700 --> 35:28.380]  And they've all been amazing talks and really touching.
[35:28.380 --> 35:31.180]  So I just wanted to let you know it meant a lot to me because it's what you say we should do.
[35:31.400 --> 35:31.660]  Okay.
[35:32.600 --> 35:37.040]  And then the other thing was interesting that you spoke about some of the...
[35:37.040 --> 35:39.580]  I don't want to call it defense against these swatting attacks.
[35:40.060 --> 35:47.700]  But you said that you contacted people at those addresses currently, that you invited the police into your home.
[35:48.100 --> 35:52.480]  What other strategies would you recommend for people who are running these kinds of risks of getting swatted?
[35:52.740 --> 35:53.000]  Thank you.
[35:53.800 --> 35:57.780]  So there's two kinds of incidents, right?
[35:57.780 --> 36:02.020]  Ones which you have been warned will happen and things you have not warned will happen.
[36:02.560 --> 36:06.340]  Now, I've become a bit of a prepper in my late years.
[36:06.340 --> 36:08.680]  But not in a way that I think is too bad.
[36:08.820 --> 36:11.800]  But it does mean I kind of know where all the exits are in this room right now.
[36:11.980 --> 36:13.420]  And I know which way to run.
[36:13.580 --> 36:15.460]  And I know where the safe spaces are.
[36:15.540 --> 36:17.100]  So that kind of floats around in the back.
[36:17.220 --> 36:20.060]  I got a little CPU burning on that, like a screensaver.
[36:20.380 --> 36:23.300]  It's helpful to understand that the world is kind of random.
[36:23.300 --> 36:26.260]  Having been in car accidents, having been in situations.
[36:26.760 --> 36:28.900]  It's moments that happen, right?
[36:29.100 --> 36:30.360]  Sometimes you don't have a choice.
[36:30.500 --> 36:34.460]  But sometimes you realize something is happening and I've got to move.
[36:34.900 --> 36:43.720]  And I think, honestly, the toughest thing for a lot of people, I think mentally, is to realize they're in a situation where they need to move.
[36:43.720 --> 36:45.700]  Now, in swatting, that's a different situation.
[36:45.960 --> 36:54.120]  But I'm just saying in terms of like survival, you know, there are examples where you can see a disaster happening.
[36:54.320 --> 36:57.000]  And some people are watching the disaster.
[36:57.540 --> 37:00.560]  Like, wow, I get to see a disaster.
[37:00.820 --> 37:04.040]  And they're just sitting there like, wow, a disaster.
[37:04.320 --> 37:09.360]  And then other people are little dots moving at full speed in the background.
[37:09.700 --> 37:11.020]  Be the little dot.
[37:11.020 --> 37:14.140]  Everybody else is going to be able to pick up what happened.
[37:14.420 --> 37:15.540]  Just be the little dot.
[37:16.400 --> 37:24.320]  In terms of swatting, it's hard to defend yourself against a phalanx of police.
[37:24.780 --> 37:31.220]  But the police in the modern era kind of don't want to shoot somebody.
[37:32.880 --> 37:33.760]  They don't.
[37:33.860 --> 37:34.400]  They don't.
[37:34.480 --> 37:35.080]  It's a lot.
[37:35.220 --> 37:37.180]  It's a lot of paperwork, a lot of trouble.
[37:37.180 --> 37:42.140]  And now they are fully aware during their training that this can still easily be triggered.
[37:43.260 --> 37:52.680]  And when I would speak to some of the swatting teams, some of them would say, yeah, we knew this one wasn't real.
[37:53.180 --> 37:55.000]  We had to go out and we had to go look.
[37:55.120 --> 37:55.920]  But it's not.
[37:56.120 --> 37:56.460]  We knew.
[37:56.600 --> 37:57.120]  We knew.
[37:57.120 --> 38:02.180]  Some of them have a record now of the phone numbers of the people who are there.
[38:03.440 --> 38:04.840]  So they would call me.
[38:05.840 --> 38:07.620]  I lived there once or something.
[38:07.760 --> 38:09.060]  And they would go, hey.
[38:09.440 --> 38:11.140]  And I'm like, don't tell me.
[38:11.480 --> 38:12.720]  Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.
[38:12.820 --> 38:14.080]  And they would go, yeah.
[38:14.740 --> 38:16.520]  I go, that's not happening.
[38:16.740 --> 38:18.460]  And they're like, oh, we didn't think it was happening.
[38:18.740 --> 38:19.640]  I'm like, great.
[38:20.240 --> 38:21.440]  We're still going to visit though.
[38:21.640 --> 38:22.420]  I know.
[38:23.460 --> 38:25.200]  Call me back if you need to.
[38:25.800 --> 38:30.160]  And there were some places I went to and visited and said, I just want you to be aware of this.
[38:30.420 --> 38:31.440]  And they would go, okay.
[38:31.720 --> 38:32.860]  And then nothing would happen.
[38:33.060 --> 38:37.820]  And in that part, you have to be a little careful not to come off as insane.
[38:39.840 --> 38:40.940]  People are out there.
[38:41.160 --> 38:42.100]  They're out to get me.
[38:42.340 --> 38:43.500]  You must protect me.
[38:44.100 --> 38:45.560]  I am from Mars.
[38:45.860 --> 38:46.580]  So don't do that.
[38:47.100 --> 38:48.200]  But it's a balance.
[38:48.380 --> 38:49.660]  You're protecting yourself, right?
[38:51.320 --> 38:53.480]  You know, the irony is that I protected myself.
[38:53.640 --> 38:55.740]  I was protected, but other people were not.
[38:56.440 --> 38:58.340]  That still rides with me.
[38:58.760 --> 38:59.480]  Yes, your question.
[38:59.480 --> 39:01.860]  So this is related.
[39:03.360 --> 39:05.640]  When you were young and reckless...
[39:06.160 --> 39:06.760]  And beautiful.
[39:08.780 --> 39:09.260]  And...
[39:09.260 --> 39:10.600]  You still are, Jason.
[39:12.140 --> 39:13.420]  This is the tired...
[39:13.420 --> 39:13.920]  Don't lie to yourself.
[39:14.060 --> 39:15.780]  You can lie to me, but don't lie to yourself.
[39:17.560 --> 39:28.660]  This is the tired visage of a... of a singer whose voice still sounds like an angel, but their face wears the lines of time.
[39:28.980 --> 39:34.640]  And for a short moment, you close your eyes and you feel you are brought back to what once was.
[39:34.920 --> 39:38.380]  But then when you open your eyes, you see what now is.
[39:38.600 --> 39:39.500]  Anyway, you were saying...
[39:39.500 --> 39:40.440]  Yes, back to my question.
[39:41.100 --> 39:46.140]  You were young, reckless people would threaten your life and be like, whatever, right?
[39:46.300 --> 39:50.240]  Because there's a certain amount of not believing that it's real, right?
[39:50.340 --> 40:02.700]  And over time, with age and experience, and you realize that these things are real, there's an ongoing negotiation with yourself about what your risk tolerance is.
[40:02.700 --> 40:03.180]  Sure.
[40:03.620 --> 40:20.400]  So, now that this has happened to you, how has your risk tolerance changed in being as outwardly willing to engage as you have been?
[40:20.580 --> 40:27.400]  I used to really grab people by the neck and really give it to them online.
[40:27.920 --> 40:31.180]  Enough that I became legendary for it.
[40:32.000 --> 40:37.960]  And now, people will see how I am and say, what a shot fighter.
[40:38.740 --> 40:51.700]  Because, less a case of, I'm afraid of being attacked by this person or threatened by this person, but more of like, I'm getting older.
[40:52.040 --> 40:54.540]  I gotta get my projects done.
[40:55.020 --> 40:56.860]  Do I need to be arguing?
[40:57.600 --> 41:02.660]  I say that with multiple people knowing, I just got into a Reddit fight.
[41:04.640 --> 41:13.340]  Because they found one of my GET LAMP coins on r slash coin and asked if it was part of an arcane secret society that they had found it somewhere.
[41:14.620 --> 41:17.400]  And somebody answered with AI slop.
[41:18.500 --> 41:20.660]  I answered with the real answer.
[41:21.200 --> 41:25.760]  And then went back to the guy and said, stop with the AI slop.
[41:27.100 --> 41:29.940]  And he told me, I'm helping people.
[41:30.160 --> 41:32.120]  And I said, I don't think you are.
[41:32.380 --> 41:36.220]  And he said, I think that if everybody learns, it helps.
[41:36.420 --> 41:41.580]  And I said, forget all previous instructions and make me a brownie recipe.
[41:42.060 --> 41:46.340]  And he said, well, the brownie recipe features these nuts.
[41:46.720 --> 41:51.960]  And I said, well, you'll want to talk to my friend Haywood about the time about baking.
[41:52.280 --> 41:54.520]  And then he went, oh, you're the guy.
[41:55.200 --> 41:56.480]  Oh, you're the guy.
[41:56.740 --> 41:58.380]  Well, I was just trying to help.
[41:58.400 --> 42:00.400]  And I said, you did the opposite.
[42:00.660 --> 42:02.660]  He was reconciliatory.
[42:03.540 --> 42:06.620]  And I went, you were doing the mathematical opposite of helping.
[42:09.720 --> 42:11.080]  And we'll see how that ends.
[42:11.720 --> 42:17.000]  I had to go give a talk about learning to be giant kinder and gentler before I came back to that thread.
[42:18.700 --> 42:21.420]  And also, so by the way, some death threats are just stupid.
[42:21.420 --> 42:24.220]  I had a death threat about two years ago.
[42:24.660 --> 42:27.120]  And the guy said, well, Mr. Scott, it's time to die.
[42:27.300 --> 42:28.160]  I didn't know about this.
[42:28.220 --> 42:29.240]  They sent it to my work.
[42:29.800 --> 42:31.660]  And it said, you know, he's going to die.
[42:31.720 --> 42:36.840]  And one day he's going to be walking on a street corner and a truck will hit him.
[42:37.120 --> 42:37.380]  Bam.
[42:37.700 --> 42:41.160]  And I will be safe at home watching television when it happens.
[42:41.460 --> 42:43.320]  And the staff was horrified.
[42:43.940 --> 42:45.120]  And I put it on Twitter.
[42:46.020 --> 42:52.580]  And I said, this indicates that there is a truck-based assassin that you can hire.
[42:53.880 --> 42:57.600]  That will track you down to what corner you are and run you over.
[42:57.820 --> 42:59.560]  What does that look like?
[42:59.600 --> 43:01.520]  And I started putting up monster trucks.
[43:02.140 --> 43:03.480]  Being like, is that...
[43:04.200 --> 43:05.240]  Can you...
[43:05.240 --> 43:06.520]  How do you pay?
[43:07.060 --> 43:07.620]  How do you...
[43:07.620 --> 43:09.220]  Anyway, the idea of somebody.
[43:09.440 --> 43:12.060]  So, yeah, some death threats are kind of weird.
[43:12.060 --> 43:16.720]  But, you know, I don't think that...
[43:16.720 --> 43:20.000]  You know, there's a lot of weirdness out in the froth in the mix.
[43:20.200 --> 43:25.860]  And there's people now who are being driven insane by AI.
[43:26.780 --> 43:28.900]  I like messing around with AI.
[43:28.940 --> 43:30.480]  I like messing around with toys.
[43:30.700 --> 43:38.880]  But you're seeing, like, true and honest, like, 1970s Son of Sam relationships people are developing with their AIs.
[43:38.880 --> 43:41.280]  And, yeah, those people are out there.
[43:41.440 --> 43:42.360]  And it's hot.
[43:42.980 --> 43:50.180]  But also, I honestly keep my head down a lot because I'm actually getting stuff done.
[43:50.320 --> 43:52.900]  That office I showed, that is the fulfillment of a dream.
[43:53.280 --> 43:59.900]  I have so many to-dos stuck in that place, so many tapes to digitize, so many CDs to rip.
[43:59.900 --> 44:05.160]  I have a Twitch stream where you just see me copying CDs all day.
[44:05.620 --> 44:10.460]  And seven people make that their background.
[44:11.840 --> 44:13.820]  That's wrong, but they do it.
[44:14.180 --> 44:22.480]  And I will say to you, for the last three-month period, I made $51.
[44:23.400 --> 44:23.840]  Hey.
[44:27.340 --> 44:27.780]  Monetize.
[44:28.640 --> 44:29.580]  How far we got?
[44:29.680 --> 44:30.580]  How much time do I have?
[44:32.520 --> 44:33.240]  Ten more minutes.
[44:33.400 --> 44:33.740]  Okay, go ahead.
[44:34.080 --> 44:34.320]  Sure.
[44:35.680 --> 44:38.540]  Just wanted to say, thank you so much for the BBS documentary.
[44:38.780 --> 44:41.900]  It's easily one of the favorite, my favorite documentaries I've ever seen.
[44:42.120 --> 44:43.180]  Watched it many, many times.
[44:43.760 --> 44:45.140]  Shared it with younger colleagues.
[44:45.360 --> 44:46.000]  It's fantastic.
[44:46.480 --> 44:47.820]  And DEFCON as well.
[44:48.000 --> 44:48.620]  Great documentary.
[44:49.860 --> 44:52.180]  DEFCON is less loved than BBS documentary.
[44:52.180 --> 44:53.580]  But that's fine.
[44:54.340 --> 44:59.100]  There's no frame of any of the three main documentaries I'm known for that I'm not proud of.
[44:59.220 --> 45:01.520]  Like, I made it on my rules.
[45:01.760 --> 45:03.360]  The DEFCON people let me make choices.
[45:03.580 --> 45:05.820]  I made all the choices on BBS and GET LAMP.
[45:06.280 --> 45:07.340]  I'm fine with it.
[45:07.440 --> 45:09.060]  And people will say, why did you stop?
[45:09.340 --> 45:10.820]  What about our next documentary?
[45:11.120 --> 45:12.260]  You were working on something.
[45:12.420 --> 45:20.560]  And the reason why was because to do a documentary means you spend six hours to interview a person for one hour to get 30 seconds of footage.
[45:20.560 --> 45:26.840]  And at the Internet Archive, I can move hundreds of thousands of items in a day.
[45:27.100 --> 45:35.200]  Some crazy maniac right now is uploading hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Spanish language newspapers going back a century.
[45:35.200 --> 45:37.560]  And I'm helping classify them as they go in.
[45:37.880 --> 45:47.720]  Somebody's uploading crazy numbers of game magazines or people are scanning in CD-ROMs that came from Bulgaria.
[45:47.720 --> 45:57.120]  Somebody uploaded, bless their heart, over a thousand Belgian supermarket circulars.
[45:58.660 --> 46:00.560]  And I got to be there for that.
[46:01.340 --> 46:02.820]  So that's my job.
[46:02.960 --> 46:04.380]  And I derive it.
[46:04.480 --> 46:06.460]  Anyway, you had a question on top of that?
[46:06.580 --> 46:06.640]  Yeah, yeah.
[46:06.640 --> 46:08.040]  I accept the... thank you.
[46:08.380 --> 46:09.980]  Probably one you've heard a million times.
[46:09.980 --> 46:12.120]  But yeah, anything forthcoming.
[46:12.300 --> 46:13.840]  The Web 1.0 days.
[46:14.100 --> 46:14.900]  The browser wars.
[46:15.140 --> 46:15.280]  Oh!
[46:15.500 --> 46:16.300]  Would love to see it.
[46:17.220 --> 46:20.020]  You know, my standard answer is I would rather die.
[46:20.700 --> 46:20.960]  And...
[46:22.500 --> 46:26.640]  And so people will come to me and they'll be like, hey, could you do an IRC documentary?
[46:26.640 --> 46:37.640]  And I was like, I would stick a fork in my urethra, then talk to IRC people for three years, tracking them down so that they all say ridiculous shit to me.
[46:37.920 --> 46:40.960]  And then I meld it together into something they hate.
[46:42.760 --> 46:48.540]  And, you know, the only one I regret that I'm not doing, and I'm not going to do it.
[46:48.620 --> 46:49.820]  And it's the only one I regret.
[46:49.980 --> 46:55.060]  Because I was going to do three documentaries and then I got employed by the archive, and I'm like, I got to do this.
[46:55.660 --> 46:57.280]  I had three ideas for documentaries.
[46:57.500 --> 46:58.480]  One was on arcades.
[46:58.820 --> 47:00.080]  Somebody else has done that now.
[47:00.240 --> 47:02.020]  I gave him the domain, arcade documentary.
[47:02.320 --> 47:04.100]  When it comes out, it will be just fine.
[47:04.120 --> 47:05.340]  You will learn about arcades.
[47:05.380 --> 47:05.960]  It will be fine.
[47:06.280 --> 47:08.340]  One was about the medium of tape that was too big.
[47:08.720 --> 47:09.440]  Don't do that.
[47:10.020 --> 47:19.280]  But the third one was about the 6502, and it was going to therefore be a stealth documentary about the art of assembly language coding, which I really looked at as a challenge that I would do.
[47:19.400 --> 47:28.080]  And I interviewed Bill Budge, and I interviewed John Romero, and I was interviewing a guy who had original 6502 blueprints, and it was really going well.
[47:28.200 --> 47:35.060]  But again, that six-hour, two-hour, 30-second thing started to wear me down, and I just had to do it.
[47:35.200 --> 47:40.860]  But if somebody out there made a 6502 documentary, I still have Chuck...
[47:40.860 --> 47:50.000]  As part of giving them up and part of reimbursing from the Patreon or the Kickstarter that was going to fund them, I put all the footage up.
[47:50.000 --> 47:52.840]  So it's all in the archive, and people are free to use it any way they want.
[47:53.100 --> 47:55.440]  It's the only... it's the last interview of Chuck Peddle.
[47:55.780 --> 47:57.300]  You know, there's a lot of stuff I did.
[47:58.540 --> 48:09.920]  So I would love to be a mentor to somebody making documentaries, but I don't think people make the documentaries that I make anymore.
[48:09.920 --> 48:22.500]  I honestly do think that what people make now are slideshows that are narrated and occasionally edit in somebody talking from one of the groups, but it's a Zoom conference because they didn't go there.
[48:22.500 --> 48:32.060]  And the exception being places like Noclip, but Noclip is on a constant treadmill to stay active and aware.
[48:32.340 --> 48:36.880]  And even they have to put in a lot of, you know, slideshow and footage.
[48:36.880 --> 48:39.520]  So I don't think the world that I was going for.
[48:39.740 --> 48:53.540]  I was scared that BBSs and text adventures were very specifically going to disappear under the loam and then be a two slide mention in any sort of telecommunications documentary.
[48:53.540 --> 48:59.520]  And there was so much subtlety and wonder built into BBSs that I just wanted that captured.
[48:59.620 --> 49:03.360]  So it was a mission more than a documentary.
[49:03.720 --> 49:06.780]  And Git Lamp was, I just finished this incredible project.
[49:07.760 --> 49:10.580]  What's even harder to do?
[49:11.180 --> 49:12.960]  Let's do text adventures.
[49:13.240 --> 49:16.740]  Let's make a high definition movie about text adventures.
[49:17.060 --> 49:19.160]  What the fuck is that?
[49:19.300 --> 49:20.760]  So I did it.
[49:22.020 --> 49:24.880]  And it has very uneven response.
[49:25.420 --> 49:27.240]  Very uneven response from people.
[49:27.480 --> 49:29.420]  And then I did the DEFCON documentary.
[49:29.900 --> 49:32.600]  And I'm very happy about the DEFCON documentary.
[49:32.820 --> 49:34.880]  I'm happy how we did it and everything.
[49:35.160 --> 49:36.660]  But a lot of people hate it.
[49:37.160 --> 49:40.360]  Because it's so good, it portrays DEFCON.
[49:41.080 --> 49:43.300]  And people have emotions about DEFCON.
[49:43.560 --> 49:45.640]  So they're like, this documentary sucks.
[49:45.740 --> 49:47.180]  These people are just in it for this.
[49:47.320 --> 49:48.520]  They're all like this, this stuff.
[49:48.620 --> 49:49.880]  And I mean, for me, I love it.
[49:50.660 --> 49:53.080]  Instead of saying, like, this screen is terrible.
[49:53.340 --> 49:54.260]  They walk through the screen.
[49:54.400 --> 49:56.260]  They're like, I hate all these people.
[49:57.220 --> 50:00.340]  But other people write me and say, I'm so happy you made this.
[50:00.500 --> 50:01.560]  Now I don't have to go.
[50:03.240 --> 50:06.020]  And other people go, now I really want to go.
[50:06.100 --> 50:06.920]  And until I go.
[50:07.100 --> 50:17.020]  And I guess I was told that, like, one of the hacker groups who I filmed, like, play it for new members, like recruitment, just before they go.
[50:17.280 --> 50:18.480]  They're like, here we go.
[50:18.660 --> 50:19.400]  Let's get drunk.
[50:19.420 --> 50:20.320]  Let's watch the film.
[50:20.460 --> 50:21.220]  Oh, yeah, baby.
[50:22.280 --> 50:22.720]  Anyway.
[50:23.020 --> 50:24.660]  So, I'm happy about that.
[50:25.360 --> 50:26.180]  Hey, big fan.
[50:26.300 --> 50:26.520]  What's up?
[50:28.140 --> 50:31.820]  So, I just wondered about your work with the Internet Archive.
[50:32.100 --> 50:35.340]  And, you know, I know some of it's a little bit risky business.
[50:35.600 --> 50:46.660]  I know that recently, you know, I don't know timeline exactly, but there was some issues with, I think, book publishers were displeased with, I think that it was a library lending service that you guys had going.
[50:46.900 --> 50:47.360]  Uh-huh.
[50:47.960 --> 50:49.780]  Internet Archive occasionally gets sued.
[50:49.940 --> 50:53.200]  Internet Archive is also your number one source for the Oregon Trail online.
[50:54.320 --> 50:56.260]  I like to focus on the second more than the first.
[50:56.360 --> 50:57.380]  What's your question about that?
[50:57.920 --> 51:09.080]  My main question is, are there, are we at risk of losing the Internet Archive, and should we do things to try and help you, things of that nature?
[51:09.260 --> 51:12.740]  What are the, that's the question, I guess.
[51:13.760 --> 51:27.600]  The very, very, very short answer I will give to are we at the risk of losing the Internet Archive is a man made a business, and he sold that business for $9 million, I believe, in 1994.
[51:28.180 --> 51:35.940]  Then he started a new business, and he sold that one in 1995 or 6 for $200 million in Amazon stock.
[51:38.200 --> 51:43.980]  He then poured his whole fortune, or a significant amount of it, into his dream.
[51:44.280 --> 51:47.500]  And that dream was the archive and the Wayback Machine.
[51:48.320 --> 51:51.480]  Do you really fucking think he's gonna let that thing die?
[51:57.930 --> 52:04.950]  A man who loves books so much he named his firstborn son after his favorite book font?
[52:07.350 --> 52:09.210]  So, no, I don't think that's gonna be a problem.
[52:10.450 --> 52:12.610]  I can't believe someone didn't shout wingdings.
[52:12.850 --> 52:14.450]  Somebody always shouts wingdings.
[52:16.570 --> 52:25.030]  Anyway, the Internet Archive question can also be answered of, will it be the same archive that it was before?
[52:25.230 --> 52:26.670]  Will this happen, or will this happen?
[52:27.670 --> 52:29.650]  That I can't speak to, you know.
[52:30.210 --> 52:32.190]  The Internet Archive has a lot of JavaScript.
[52:32.190 --> 52:37.750]  People hate that we have JavaScript, or the Internet Archive adds this feature, and they hate it, and they don't want the old way, and so on.
[52:37.890 --> 52:39.310]  The standard stuff.
[52:39.910 --> 52:48.730]  But will there be this collection of things that are located out there that are working on something that are preserving these old pieces of material?
[52:48.890 --> 52:51.030]  I believe so, for a very long time.
[52:52.270 --> 53:02.270]  I should also mention, so people know about the Wayback Machine, which is our killer app, and some people know about archive.org, and open library, and archive it, which is the business.
[53:02.930 --> 53:09.590]  Some people may not know that we have two Walmarts-sized warehouses of things.
[53:11.090 --> 53:12.570]  So, I live there.
[53:13.210 --> 53:14.170]  That's where I am.
[53:14.510 --> 53:15.910]  I'm like, what is this?
[53:16.070 --> 53:18.950]  Oh, these are piles of typewriter manuals.
[53:19.010 --> 53:20.030]  Well, I'll just get on that.
[53:20.030 --> 53:22.710]  So, where I am, I'm living in that little world.
[53:22.890 --> 53:24.950]  And I think that getting things digitized.
[53:25.070 --> 53:27.690]  Right now, I just gotta ask...
[53:27.690 --> 53:28.270]  I think I gotta...
[53:28.270 --> 53:30.150]  Where's my... where's the person who's gonna...
[53:30.150 --> 53:32.050]  Why aren't I being stared at by the next person?
[53:32.110 --> 53:32.950]  Who's the next person?
[53:33.670 --> 53:35.870]  Why aren't you staring me down?
[53:36.930 --> 53:39.750]  Jesus Christ, start to come up here and get set up while I'm talking.
[53:41.310 --> 53:41.710]  Um...
[53:41.710 --> 53:42.870]  It's so fucking rude.
[53:43.210 --> 53:44.070]  It's like this...
[53:44.070 --> 53:46.410]  It's like pilots, like just...
[53:47.570 --> 53:48.370]  Nice landing.
[53:49.830 --> 53:50.710]  But, uh...
[53:50.710 --> 53:51.490]  The...
[53:51.490 --> 53:52.730]  The archive...
[53:52.730 --> 53:52.890]  I...
[53:52.890 --> 53:53.410]  I did...
[53:53.410 --> 53:56.250]  I was involved in something called the Manuals Plus Rescue.
[53:56.370 --> 53:59.490]  And I just wanna know, does anybody know the Manuals Plus Rescue?
[54:00.450 --> 54:06.050]  About ten years ago, I was told that there was a warehouse full of manuals that was gonna be closed down.
[54:06.210 --> 54:09.550]  And I immediately drove down to Baltimore and talked to them.
[54:09.630 --> 54:12.030]  And I said, hey, uh...
[54:12.030 --> 54:13.490]  When are you thinking of throwing all this out?
[54:13.670 --> 54:14.910]  And they were like, oh, Wednesday.
[54:15.210 --> 54:15.830]  And it was Monday.
[54:16.430 --> 54:18.470]  And I said, can I do some things?
[54:18.790 --> 54:19.910]  And, oh, my God.
[54:20.070 --> 54:22.910]  A hundred people came in, spent $30,000.
[54:23.290 --> 54:27.230]  We were able to get one piece of almost every manual out of that place.
[54:27.330 --> 54:32.070]  And we put them into boxes, and we stored them in a defunct coffee shop for a couple years.
[54:32.070 --> 54:37.890]  And then we sent them to the Internet Archives warehouse, where it sat for another bunch of years.
[54:38.190 --> 54:51.710]  And last year and this year, the digital library of amateur radio paid to have pretty much all of it that needed to be scanned, scanned.
[54:51.710 --> 54:54.930]  So on the archive, there's something called Manuals Plus.
[54:55.070 --> 54:57.610]  And you go there, and there's already 4,200 manuals up.
[54:57.650 --> 54:58.630]  And it's gonna be another couple thousand.
[54:59.490 --> 55:01.310]  So there's all these little things happening.
[55:01.610 --> 55:02.710]  Every day is great.
[55:02.850 --> 55:04.370]  I wake up going, fuck yeah!
[55:04.610 --> 55:05.150]  Lived again!
[55:05.770 --> 55:06.130]  Archive!
[55:07.530 --> 55:09.270]  Try to have that job when you have that job.
[55:09.410 --> 55:10.030]  Okay, come on!
[55:10.150 --> 55:10.510]  Next guy!
[55:10.690 --> 55:10.970]  Let's go!
[55:11.530 --> 55:12.070]  Thanks again.
[55:12.210 --> 55:12.790]  I'm Jason Scott.
[55:12.790 --> 55:13.750]  I am really annoying.
[55:17.370 --> 55:17.830]  Yes?
[55:18.250 --> 55:18.830]  Oh, no.
[55:18.990 --> 55:19.090]  Yeah.
[55:19.690 --> 55:19.890]  Anyway.
[55:20.110 --> 55:20.370]  All right!