[00:01.220 --> 00:07.520]  So, I was just going to make this first part kind of brief, but I wanted us all just to say who we are.
[00:07.920 --> 00:12.800]  So, my name is Slestak, and I like to mess with stuff a lot.
[00:14.620 --> 00:17.640]  Anyways, I'm a little incoherent, so bear with me a little bit.
[00:17.740 --> 00:19.700]  I haven't slept for three days or something like that.
[00:20.160 --> 00:23.260]  But we do have a project happening on the mezzanine level.
[00:23.500 --> 00:28.700]  It's if you get on stairs or up the escalator, depending upon which way you go.
[00:28.700 --> 00:30.280]  Yeah, we're going to be here all weekend.
[00:32.100 --> 00:35.240]  Basically, go past the security booth, take a right, and we're down there.
[00:35.800 --> 00:41.020]  But come on down and make free phone calls all over the planet and do some other fun things.
[00:41.020 --> 00:46.580]  And we're going to add features literally every day throughout the conference so nobody gets bored with it.
[00:48.280 --> 00:50.060]  Anyhow, my background is basic.
[00:50.180 --> 00:51.540]  I like to mess with things.
[00:51.540 --> 00:53.860]  I started messing with computers in 1980.
[00:54.620 --> 01:01.200]  I've done bits and pieces of this, that, and the other in mechanical and optical and hardware, software design.
[01:01.900 --> 01:04.980]  And this is my cool project sidekick thing.
[01:06.400 --> 01:06.960]  So...
[01:06.960 --> 01:08.040]  Next.
[01:08.040 --> 01:08.720]  How you doing?
[01:08.760 --> 01:09.280]  I'm Beave.
[01:09.620 --> 01:13.040]  Me and Slestak actually started Telephreak in... what year was it?
[01:13.140 --> 01:14.080]  I don't even remember now.
[01:14.280 --> 01:15.060]  It's 2003.
[01:15.460 --> 01:20.580]  And basically it was kind of a... never really meant to be a club or anything like that.
[01:20.740 --> 01:22.860]  It just sort of... kind of ended up that way.
[01:22.860 --> 01:28.840]  And we all kind of started teaming together in different projects, writing software together, like gives different panels.
[01:29.120 --> 01:35.080]  And I wrote like iWar and stuff like that for... and we, you know, do lots of war dialing and strange stuff.
[01:35.660 --> 01:45.600]  But anyway, so we originally started out as kind of a free voicemail, anonymous voicemail kind of system that, you know, people could use...
[01:45.600 --> 01:47.600]  being... if you're a drug dealer or whatever.
[01:47.800 --> 01:49.440]  Who knows who's... what people use it for nowadays.
[01:50.040 --> 01:57.320]  But, so people could get on there and, you know, set up free voicemail accounts and use it anonymously and not worry about any kind of vlogging or anything.
[01:57.420 --> 01:58.900]  Because we don't enable any kind of vlogging.
[01:59.560 --> 02:02.200]  And then it kind of starts expanding out into conferences.
[02:03.060 --> 02:06.680]  And we started inviting a lot of people to call in from pretty much all over the world.
[02:06.680 --> 02:16.000]  so that we could all discuss like projects about Asterisk, any kind of general hacking kind of stuff, foam freaking, whatever that we felt like.
[02:16.000 --> 02:16.280]  Cooking.
[02:16.760 --> 02:18.020]  Cooking was a big one.
[02:19.420 --> 02:19.820]  So...
[02:19.820 --> 02:20.800]  Yeah, actually, we met on the...
[02:20.800 --> 02:26.260]  Wasn't the original inception to be something about robots having sex, if I recall?
[02:26.620 --> 02:27.340]  Yeah, no, it was.
[02:27.580 --> 02:27.760]  Yeah.
[02:27.920 --> 02:34.360]  Yeah, originally it was going to be pretty much a line that you called where you got some text-to-speech back and it was kind of like this weird...
[02:34.360 --> 02:34.920]  Telephone.
[02:35.200 --> 02:39.900]  An interesting Easter egg on the Telephreak PBX, if anyone's interested.
[02:40.080 --> 02:41.040]  Yeah, it's still there, isn't it?
[02:41.120 --> 02:41.220]  Yeah.
[02:41.400 --> 02:46.500]  You can dial 69 as a hidden Easter egg on that.
[02:46.500 --> 02:47.300]  Well, it's not hidden anymore.
[02:48.180 --> 02:48.700]  Good job.
[02:48.700 --> 02:49.520]  Well, it was, but...
[02:49.980 --> 02:50.360]  Thanks a lot.
[02:50.540 --> 02:52.580]  Well, that kind of happens occasionally, you know?
[02:52.880 --> 02:57.020]  Well, not as a shameless plug or anything, but I met B through the death row cluster.
[02:57.120 --> 02:58.320]  I don't know if you guys know what that is.
[02:58.400 --> 02:59.140]  Anybody know what that is?
[02:59.720 --> 02:59.960]  Yeah.
[03:00.220 --> 03:00.680]  Oh, sweet.
[03:00.940 --> 03:01.180]  Hell yeah.
[03:01.180 --> 03:01.900]  Yeah.
[03:03.000 --> 03:09.800]  It's an awesome thing because actually there aren't that many open VMS systems that you can mess with out there.
[03:10.040 --> 03:10.220]  That are reliable.
[03:10.320 --> 03:13.880]  And by the way, open VMS doesn't have any random number generator.
[03:14.600 --> 03:15.720]  I don't know if you knew that.
[03:16.200 --> 03:16.500]  But...
[03:17.080 --> 03:18.520]  Anyhow, I like messing with it a lot.
[03:18.860 --> 03:21.780]  And Beave runs a place, he owns a place actually.
[03:21.960 --> 03:22.100]  Right.
[03:22.100 --> 03:23.020]  And we started that a long time ago.
[03:23.020 --> 03:24.280]  And we pretty much met through that.
[03:24.560 --> 03:24.580]  Yeah, we got a fight.
[03:24.580 --> 03:26.820]  And then you started bringing up telephone stuff, yeah.
[03:26.960 --> 03:28.080]  Yeah, we got a fight on the Nerdfight.
[03:28.860 --> 03:29.260]  Nerdfight.
[03:29.260 --> 03:29.680]  Yeah.
[03:30.180 --> 03:31.520]  It's a little skirmish, you know.
[03:31.640 --> 03:32.020]  Yeah.
[03:32.020 --> 03:38.300]  Anyhow, we like to hang out in the telco channel there in the node system, which is essentially a text BBS for the most part.
[03:38.500 --> 03:38.620]  BBS, yeah.
[03:39.100 --> 03:41.780]  And it's internal to the open VMS cluster there.
[03:43.640 --> 03:46.860]  But we used to hang out in telco and talk about this, that, and the other.
[03:47.220 --> 03:53.580]  And we had another friend named Robot, who was like, hey man, this asterisk thing is pretty cool.
[03:53.800 --> 03:55.680]  You know, this is about 2003 or so.
[03:55.820 --> 03:57.820]  And so we started messing with it.
[03:58.200 --> 04:01.780]  And this was when it was really incredibly buggy software.
[04:02.120 --> 04:02.520]  Brands.
[04:02.520 --> 04:03.180]  But then again...
[04:03.180 --> 04:03.880]  It kind of still is.
[04:03.880 --> 04:04.860]  That was just about to say.
[04:05.260 --> 04:05.880]  That's all right.
[04:06.060 --> 04:06.580]  I love it.
[04:06.840 --> 04:07.620]  When did that change?
[04:07.980 --> 04:08.220]  Yeah.
[04:08.500 --> 04:09.840]  It's always in beta, but it's cool.
[04:10.000 --> 04:11.080]  You know, so is Microsoft Windows.
[04:11.360 --> 04:11.900]  So, yeah.
[04:12.400 --> 04:13.340]  No comparison there.
[04:14.140 --> 04:14.540]  But...
[04:14.540 --> 04:18.560]  Anyhow, we took on Astros as just something interesting to look into.
[04:18.780 --> 04:26.840]  And it turned out that it would do all kinds of things that we had always wanted to do as kids that we would have gotten thrown in jail as kids for doing.
[04:27.080 --> 04:32.740]  Actually, ironically, the only reason I started using it was I couldn't get my SIP phone to work.
[04:32.900 --> 04:36.140]  And I had a choice between SIP proxy or asterisk to use it.
[04:36.360 --> 04:40.640]  And I, of course, picked the much more complex one to set up and get it working.
[04:41.160 --> 04:41.560]  So...
[04:41.560 --> 04:43.360]  Well, that's generally how you do that when you...
[04:43.360 --> 04:43.600]  Yeah.
[04:44.760 --> 04:45.160]  Awesome.
[04:45.520 --> 04:47.000]  Well, let's introduce everybody else.
[04:47.340 --> 04:47.980]  I mean...
[04:48.520 --> 04:48.660]  All right.
[04:48.660 --> 04:49.260]  Let's go down the line, man.
[04:49.440 --> 04:50.280]  This would be my turn.
[04:50.280 --> 04:53.480]  For the three people out there who actually listened to Off The Hook, you might recognize me.
[04:53.600 --> 04:54.220]  I'm Notkevin.
[04:55.300 --> 04:55.660]  And...
[04:57.840 --> 05:03.320]  And I kind of came into the scene on Telephreak once they started getting their act together and got the conference together.
[05:03.700 --> 05:05.240]  And I was more or less...
[05:05.240 --> 05:05.260]  When did that happen?
[05:05.560 --> 05:06.560]  When did we get...
[05:06.560 --> 05:07.740]  I have no idea.
[05:07.800 --> 05:07.880]  Yeah.
[05:07.980 --> 05:09.040]  Like, when did you show up?
[05:09.580 --> 05:10.500]  I don't quite recall.
[05:10.680 --> 05:12.980]  I was kind of brought in as the guy who breaks everything.
[05:13.400 --> 05:13.960]  That's the dream.
[05:14.220 --> 05:14.460]  Yeah.
[05:14.460 --> 05:16.120]  And especially Gid Software.
[05:16.500 --> 05:16.880]  Oh, man.
[05:17.180 --> 05:17.300]  Bastard.
[05:17.300 --> 05:17.460]  Bastard.
[05:17.460 --> 05:18.980]  I can't name the number of times.
[05:18.980 --> 05:21.340]  I was banned from the conference for breaking all the panels.
[05:21.740 --> 05:21.760]  Yeah, like...
[05:21.760 --> 05:23.360]  At least a dozen times now.
[05:23.540 --> 05:23.980]  I swear.
[05:24.340 --> 05:24.680]  At least.
[05:24.860 --> 05:26.120]  He still doesn't have a big panel.
[05:26.260 --> 05:28.820]  Yeah, they took away my admin rights because I kept breaking all of it.
[05:28.820 --> 05:29.300]  Yeah, we took away his admin rights.
[05:29.380 --> 05:31.600]  Yeah, he still gets us onto panels at HOPE.
[05:32.020 --> 05:32.660]  So, who knows?
[05:34.760 --> 05:35.740]  Yeah, I guess...
[05:35.740 --> 05:39.040]  Actually, Telephreak was launched at HOPE in 2004.
[05:39.500 --> 05:39.620]  Yeah.
[05:39.980 --> 05:40.120]  Yeah.
[05:41.340 --> 05:47.860]  And it was kind of like a combination of things that happened, but essentially we came out here to meet up because we had never met.
[05:48.740 --> 05:50.840]  And I didn't know what B even looked like.
[05:51.040 --> 05:52.320]  I didn't know what I looked like either.
[05:52.460 --> 05:58.380]  And so we ended up like meeting up in the lobby and went to the conference and saw a bunch of great stuff, of course.
[05:58.820 --> 06:00.980]  And I've been coming back ever since.
[06:01.200 --> 06:02.060]  Sorry to see it go.
[06:02.220 --> 06:06.940]  I have heard, though, that technically the Hotel Penn is going to be around for years.
[06:07.620 --> 06:08.020]  Forever.
[06:08.660 --> 06:09.280]  So, whatever.
[06:09.640 --> 06:10.640]  So much for the last...
[06:10.640 --> 06:11.040]  The rodent.
[06:11.440 --> 06:12.060]  Oh, sorry.
[06:12.460 --> 06:12.680]  Yeah.
[06:13.780 --> 06:14.960]  I'm the R0d3nt.
[06:15.160 --> 06:16.580]  I go by Ratman or whatever.
[06:16.640 --> 06:18.020]  I always have names like that.
[06:18.420 --> 06:18.780]  Let's see.
[06:18.780 --> 06:21.480]  I've known this guy forever, for a long time.
[06:21.600 --> 06:21.680]  What?
[06:21.780 --> 06:22.660]  10, 15 years or something?
[06:23.040 --> 06:23.340]  10 years.
[06:23.420 --> 06:23.860]  10 years.
[06:24.360 --> 06:27.700]  So, when they started up these projects, I mean, I'm involved in a bunch of things.
[06:27.800 --> 06:28.420]  Amateur radio.
[06:28.760 --> 06:31.040]  I support the 2600 RSC network.
[06:31.300 --> 06:38.640]  And so when these guys started up this thing, I always tried to help out wherever I could, whether it was breaking their stuff or offering some equipment or bandwidth or whatever.
[06:38.840 --> 06:40.000]  You know, whatever I can to help them out.
[06:40.200 --> 06:43.960]  So, also, some of the fun things is I get to kick this guy when he gets out of control.
[06:43.960 --> 06:45.020]  I'm like a moderator.
[06:45.240 --> 06:53.480]  So, I also sit out there to encourage people to talk and use it and encourage intelligent conversation and then get rid of the non-intelligent conversation.
[06:53.480 --> 06:55.880]  So, I help out in some of those respects with Telephreak and whatnot.
[06:56.620 --> 06:57.020]  So...
[06:57.020 --> 06:59.060]  And Jay Falcon, you want to say anything real quick?
[06:59.260 --> 06:59.640]  Sure.
[06:59.720 --> 07:00.340]  So, we can move on.
[07:00.800 --> 07:01.900]  I'm Jay Falcon.
[07:02.560 --> 07:05.800]  You know, basically, I found Telephreak, what about?
[07:07.500 --> 07:08.300]  2004, 2005.
[07:09.980 --> 07:13.240]  Mostly through the Death Row Cluster, Telephreak.
[07:13.540 --> 07:15.140]  Got involved with the community.
[07:15.340 --> 07:17.340]  And it's really become a community in there.
[07:17.440 --> 07:17.720]  Yeah, it is.
[07:17.720 --> 07:20.860]  In our IRC channel and places like that.
[07:21.040 --> 07:22.960]  But even more so on a teleconference.
[07:23.120 --> 07:23.680]  Because you talk...
[07:23.680 --> 07:25.420]  I mean, you can talk to these people.
[07:25.680 --> 07:27.540]  I mean, most people just sit there and they type.
[07:27.720 --> 07:29.120]  And you got instant messenger.
[07:29.120 --> 07:30.360]  You have IRC and all that.
[07:30.480 --> 07:31.780]  But you never get to hear the voice.
[07:32.020 --> 07:33.840]  You don't get any depth until you talk to them.
[07:33.840 --> 07:34.160]  Yeah.
[07:34.400 --> 07:34.640]  Yeah.
[07:35.360 --> 07:38.340]  Well, you know, back in the day when I was freaking.
[07:38.920 --> 07:39.420]  You know, when...
[07:39.420 --> 07:41.200]  You know, post...
[07:41.200 --> 07:42.900]  Or pre-Internet, I guess.
[07:43.300 --> 07:43.420]  Yeah.
[07:44.340 --> 07:44.780]  And...
[07:45.760 --> 07:46.640]  They were...
[07:46.640 --> 07:47.460]  You know, we had two...
[07:47.460 --> 07:48.640]  Alliance Teleconferences.
[07:48.920 --> 07:52.860]  And we would call 0700 numbers or 1700 numbers all the time.
[07:52.860 --> 07:57.480]  And I was in there with, like, Vax Buster and Rogue Agent.
[07:57.740 --> 07:58.360]  All these people.
[07:58.700 --> 08:00.540]  And Telephreak sort of brought some of that back.
[08:00.660 --> 08:02.760]  Because, you know, you can develop that community again.
[08:02.760 --> 08:05.960]  And, you know, really have a good time doing it.
[08:06.800 --> 08:09.360]  And, you know, so I got more involved with the community.
[08:09.660 --> 08:13.340]  Started, you know, with Slestak and Beave.
[08:13.400 --> 08:18.000]  You know, we both have our interests in older computers, older systems.
[08:18.220 --> 08:19.400]  You know, the VMS system.
[08:20.180 --> 08:20.580]  X.25.
[08:21.300 --> 08:24.800]  With Rodent, there's radios, of course.
[08:25.020 --> 08:27.580]  And, you know, he's been around the block a few times.
[08:27.820 --> 08:32.600]  You know, and then, you know, the rest of it just sort of all came together.
[08:32.600 --> 08:35.700]  And, you know, much like Rodent, I'm sort of a filling guy.
[08:36.080 --> 08:38.160]  You know, we all have our strengths.
[08:38.420 --> 08:40.840]  And, you know, draw from different backgrounds.
[08:40.960 --> 08:42.400]  But it all comes to one.
[08:42.520 --> 08:45.280]  And just like we have Project Telephreak now.
[08:45.500 --> 08:48.740]  You know, it just really kind of pulled it out of the hat at the last second.
[08:50.500 --> 08:52.200]  Yeah, one time or another, too.
[08:52.320 --> 08:56.040]  And most of the time, none of us really live anywhere near each other.
[08:56.180 --> 08:56.500]  No.
[08:56.500 --> 08:57.720]  Other than these two guys.
[08:57.820 --> 08:58.340]  But that's new, so...
[08:58.340 --> 08:59.920]  Yeah, and the only means of communication was like...
[08:59.920 --> 09:01.680]  Oh, that's only in recent times.
[09:02.020 --> 09:02.200]  Yeah.
[09:02.500 --> 09:03.200]  I'm good.
[09:03.820 --> 09:04.300]  Hi.
[09:05.120 --> 09:05.500]  What?
[09:05.780 --> 09:11.080]  Yeah, I'm generally the asshole that tends to kick people off of IRC and...
[09:11.080 --> 09:15.040]  And off the panel and anybody who tends to be a general nuisance.
[09:15.760 --> 09:25.760]  I'm responsible for writing about 90% of the software that you see on Telephreak, aside from Asterisk itself, which Digium has done an awesome job on.
[09:26.560 --> 09:27.400]  If you say so.
[09:28.060 --> 09:29.740]  These guys are...
[09:30.160 --> 09:33.360]  They came up with a really cool system really early on.
[09:33.360 --> 09:36.280]  I got a chance to be a part of it back in 2003.
[09:36.780 --> 09:42.800]  I had just graduated high school, and I was just kind of playing around with Asterisk, just tinkering with VoIP.
[09:43.320 --> 09:46.420]  Came across 2600Net, just kind of played around with that.
[09:46.780 --> 09:51.500]  And Rodent introduced me to Slestak and Beave at...
[09:51.500 --> 09:56.880]  Actually, I don't think he introduced me to Beave at the following DEFCON, but two DEFCONs later I met Beave.
[09:57.940 --> 10:01.320]  But I'm from the West Coast, and I generally attend DEFCON.
[10:01.500 --> 10:03.240]  I'm not really a New York side.
[10:04.580 --> 10:08.800]  But, yeah, it's been a really interesting ride so far, and I'm really...
[10:08.800 --> 10:11.440]  And you used to call in very early on and hang out with Tron.
[10:11.440 --> 10:11.580]  Oh, yeah.
[10:11.660 --> 10:13.360]  Like, I used to hang on for hours and hours.
[10:13.360 --> 10:15.040]  I always would hang out and have a good old time.
[10:15.800 --> 10:17.800]  So you listen to Tron endlessly, do you?
[10:17.940 --> 10:23.820]  Yeah, I'm one of few people who are still in the conference world who actually know of Tron.
[10:24.500 --> 10:25.820]  Unfortunately, he's still in jail.
[10:26.700 --> 10:28.160]  Is that officialized yet?
[10:28.360 --> 10:28.520]  In custody.
[10:28.720 --> 10:36.040]  Like, I know that his release date is sometime this month, but if anybody can verify this for me, I'd appreciate it.
[10:37.380 --> 10:38.940]  Well, you feel like you're in danger or something?
[10:39.300 --> 10:41.600]  Well, you know, that guy's pretty spooky, you know.
[10:41.680 --> 10:44.540]  I've kicked him off of maybe two dozen payphones and spasms.
[10:44.540 --> 10:45.480]  He's used to that, though.
[10:45.640 --> 10:48.040]  Well, this is why we have the world's only hacker dog.
[10:48.600 --> 10:49.300]  That's Sid.
[10:49.500 --> 10:52.340]  He specializes in packet sniffing and intrusion detection.
[10:53.040 --> 10:56.220]  And he does do authentication once you've been packet sniffed.
[10:56.580 --> 10:57.060]  Nice.
[10:58.460 --> 10:58.940]  Nice.
[10:58.940 --> 11:00.420]  So, he takes care of it, you know.
[11:00.580 --> 11:04.560]  And Rodent sent me a great picture of Sid rack mounted in a 19-inch rack.
[11:04.580 --> 11:07.400]  He has 19-inch and 23-inch convertible rails.
[11:09.440 --> 11:10.440]  He's pretty versatile.
[11:10.700 --> 11:11.780]  He works on pretty much anything.
[11:12.540 --> 11:15.220]  So, you guys mind if I give a little background on what we're doing right now?
[11:15.340 --> 11:16.140]  Yeah, go for it, man.
[11:16.140 --> 11:16.680]  Yeah, I think we should go ahead and do that.
[11:16.680 --> 11:18.640]  Yeah, you can probably explain it better than I can.
[11:18.980 --> 11:20.120]  Eh, we'll see.
[11:20.480 --> 11:21.460]  You know, I'll do my best.
[11:21.620 --> 11:21.700]  We'll see, yeah.
[11:21.860 --> 11:25.420]  I can probably do more technical, but you can give the broader stroke.
[11:25.700 --> 11:26.000]  Right on.
[11:26.200 --> 11:30.700]  Well, let's go back to the original intention of Telephreak in the first place for me.
[11:30.700 --> 11:31.660]  Robots having sex.
[11:32.400 --> 11:33.880]  Well, that was, you know, early.
[11:34.220 --> 11:45.180]  But the original intention behind the voicemail system was really where it started, was to kind of develop a Swiss bank account for voicemail where we don't know who you are and we don't want to know.
[11:46.220 --> 11:48.780]  And, you know, people have criticized that a little bit here and there.
[11:48.920 --> 11:50.740]  Not too heavily, but a little bit.
[11:51.560 --> 11:54.640]  Just being like something that, you know, terrorists might use or whatever.
[11:55.080 --> 11:56.820]  Well, fear the people that fear your privacy.
[11:57.040 --> 12:00.700]  Well, the thing is, is that, you know, terrorists use AT&T's networks all the time.
[12:00.700 --> 12:03.240]  So, I don't really see what the point is, you know.
[12:03.500 --> 12:05.500]  Whatever you think a terrorist is, you know.
[12:05.500 --> 12:09.060]  So, anyways, the whole idea was anonymity, right?
[12:09.200 --> 12:09.320]  Yes.
[12:09.800 --> 12:21.560]  And so, anyhow, we're extending that idea here and also one other part of it, which is essentially Telephreak is built out of used and acquired machinery.
[12:23.000 --> 12:30.220]  Beave donates the bandwidth because he's got it and also the electricity as well and a lot of expertise, of course.
[12:31.260 --> 12:34.280]  And then we all donate our time and energy and ideas.
[12:34.280 --> 12:40.180]  So, this project here at HOPE this year is similar.
[12:40.700 --> 12:44.420]  And, you know, we tried to work on it here and there before we got here.
[12:44.420 --> 12:51.240]  But essentially, we all kind of knew it was going to happen at the last second because no matter how well you plan something, it just doesn't necessarily go that way.
[12:51.240 --> 12:52.820]  Although the effect can be the same.
[12:53.100 --> 12:53.400]  Right.
[12:54.080 --> 12:57.480]  So, when we got here, we actually started working on it here and there.
[12:57.740 --> 12:59.160]  I waited for the network to come up.
[12:59.920 --> 13:00.320]  And...
[13:00.320 --> 13:00.900]  Several times.
[13:00.900 --> 13:01.600]  Several times.
[13:02.060 --> 13:03.940]  Which is, you know, it's working awesome now.
[13:04.100 --> 13:05.160]  Those guys are dynamite.
[13:05.280 --> 13:05.320]  Good job.
[13:05.460 --> 13:05.600]  Yeah.
[13:06.040 --> 13:06.420]  Excellent.
[13:06.700 --> 13:07.220]  Yeah, definitely.
[13:07.400 --> 13:08.480]  Thank you very much if you're out there.
[13:09.280 --> 13:09.960]  The Knock guys.
[13:10.280 --> 13:10.360]  Yeah.
[13:10.580 --> 13:10.720]  Yeah.
[13:10.960 --> 13:11.580]  Knock's awesome.
[13:11.660 --> 13:12.040]  Hitman.
[13:12.500 --> 13:12.640]  Yeah.
[13:13.880 --> 13:20.760]  So, anyhow, basically everything that's built here at the conference that you can use at your leisure is made out of garbage.
[13:22.180 --> 13:23.060]  And I mean that.
[13:23.300 --> 13:24.040]  It's actually...
[13:24.040 --> 13:25.380]  Except the server I got in Dallas.
[13:25.620 --> 13:26.300]  I mean, that's...
[13:26.300 --> 13:26.920]  Right.
[13:27.580 --> 13:27.840]  No, totally.
[13:27.880 --> 13:30.800]  I mean everything on site that we set up here is...
[13:30.800 --> 13:31.560]  Recycled telephones.
[13:31.560 --> 13:31.780]  It is.
[13:31.840 --> 13:32.400]  It's all recycled.
[13:32.660 --> 13:33.020]  Recycled phones.
[13:33.400 --> 13:33.540]  Payphones.
[13:33.540 --> 13:36.520]  It's all used or given to us or just happened upon it or whatever.
[13:37.240 --> 13:39.860]  Even the Ethernet cables, which we had to replace quite a few of.
[13:39.940 --> 13:40.840]  So, some of those are new.
[13:41.440 --> 13:41.800]  But...
[13:42.400 --> 13:46.880]  Anyhow, the whole theory behind it was just to create something fun and useful for the conference.
[13:46.880 --> 13:50.900]  And so, I'm hoping that we actually are achieving that in some small parts.
[13:51.200 --> 13:51.320]  Yeah.
[13:51.320 --> 13:54.100]  If you guys think of any features and whatnot, we can always get this guy to code it.
[13:54.200 --> 13:54.300]  Yeah.
[13:54.380 --> 13:55.080]  Give us your ideas.
[13:55.300 --> 13:55.640]  We'll do them.
[13:55.760 --> 13:56.340]  We'll try to do them.
[13:56.480 --> 13:56.680]  Yeah.
[13:56.880 --> 13:57.460]  Just don't point at me.
[13:57.720 --> 13:57.960]  Yeah.
[13:58.080 --> 14:04.060]  Basically, I'm the weirdo who just kind of sits there, takes up your ideas and kind of makes them work.
[14:04.240 --> 14:06.720]  And then you ship them back to us and then we break them.
[14:06.860 --> 14:07.200]  Yeah.
[14:07.220 --> 14:11.480]  And then you break it and then I bitch and drink more beer and throw beer bottles at you.
[14:11.480 --> 14:12.460]  We send you beer, dude.
[14:13.700 --> 14:17.520]  Well, essentially, it's split up into two separate servers.
[14:17.680 --> 14:24.000]  We have a server here locally, here at the NOC, for services like outbound dialing, international dialing, whatnot.
[14:24.580 --> 14:29.960]  And then we're also kind of starting to integrate some little games and some little funness into it.
[14:30.140 --> 14:39.080]  So that, for instance, like we have just at the local server here, you can just tell the system, just dial something interesting.
[14:39.380 --> 14:45.660]  And you might get a Virgin Airlines mobile phone where, you know, it calls up and says, we're connecting you to the aircraft now.
[14:45.960 --> 14:47.620]  Or, you know, you might get...
[14:48.980 --> 14:49.420]  Eiffel Tower.
[14:49.720 --> 14:50.700]  Eiffel Tower pay phones.
[14:50.700 --> 14:51.460]  Oh yeah, Eiffel Tower pay phones.
[14:51.680 --> 14:51.760]  Oh yeah, Eiffel Tower pay phones.
[14:51.760 --> 14:53.460]  And so we have a whole list that randomly picks out.
[14:53.600 --> 14:58.620]  So even if you don't know anybody you want to call, just let the system decide to do it for you.
[14:58.780 --> 14:59.720]  You will be talking to someone.
[14:59.720 --> 15:03.060]  Maybe find yourself surprised and be like, wow, that's really silly.
[15:03.760 --> 15:04.160]  Or...
[15:04.160 --> 15:06.800]  Yeah, actually, let me clarify how you dial that right now, too.
[15:07.120 --> 15:12.380]  Because essentially, the way the features are going to work throughout the conference is you dial nine if you want a feature.
[15:12.820 --> 15:14.000]  Or you just dial out.
[15:14.140 --> 15:17.120]  So you can dial 011 or one and your number.
[15:17.340 --> 15:19.540]  And it'll just call whomever you're dialing.
[15:19.680 --> 15:20.960]  Right, 011 International.
[15:21.220 --> 15:25.440]  Yeah, if anyone's more dialed the elevator system, we could link that into Asterisk.
[15:25.600 --> 15:27.280]  So you can talk to the people in the elevators, you know.
[15:27.280 --> 15:30.780]  People are getting stuck in them, so you will get the chance to talk to them.
[15:31.280 --> 15:33.900]  Yeah, don't we still have a bunch of old elevators from New York?
[15:34.460 --> 15:35.440]  Elevator relief is cool.
[15:35.520 --> 15:36.000]  Yeah, yeah.
[15:36.560 --> 15:40.640]  Yeah, so anyhow, if you guys have any questions, too, feel free to ask them anytime you want.
[15:40.720 --> 15:41.560]  Like, even now.
[15:41.800 --> 15:48.040]  Now, this whole system here, like, we literally started putting it together two days ago here, right?
[15:48.120 --> 15:48.220]  Here.
[15:48.440 --> 15:48.960]  No, it was...
[15:48.960 --> 15:50.120]  Really last night, actually.
[15:50.200 --> 15:51.260]  Last night, really, yeah.
[15:51.420 --> 15:52.500]  More about...
[15:52.500 --> 15:52.640]  Yeah.
[15:52.740 --> 15:54.320]  Maybe three o'clock in the morning or so.
[16:01.580 --> 16:02.180]  Not yet.
[16:03.220 --> 16:03.700]  Yeah.
[16:03.980 --> 16:05.200]  Except for the ITU.
[16:05.720 --> 16:11.720]  Well, technically, we're not an Internet service provider, and we're not providing actual pay-for service.
[16:11.880 --> 16:12.080]  Or telco services.
[16:12.080 --> 16:17.080]  So we don't have to live up to any obligations of anybody, as we're classified as a hobbyist service.
[16:18.160 --> 16:22.800]  So, being as we're just playing around, we're technically in the free and clear for the moment.
[16:22.800 --> 16:25.800]  And interesting enough, we have caught on...
[16:26.320 --> 16:28.200]  We used to have a lot of different conference numbers.
[16:28.480 --> 16:31.860]  Like, you know, we set it up insanely kind of ridiculous.
[16:32.040 --> 16:35.000]  But, like, people who are interested in electronics go to this one room.
[16:35.020 --> 16:37.980]  And then we realized, you know, if you're interested in Linux, go to this one room.
[16:38.020 --> 16:42.080]  And it was kind of stupid, so we kind of put it back to just a couple of general conferences.
[16:42.080 --> 16:48.120]  And we noticed one day that some people were on the conference.
[16:49.120 --> 16:50.080]  What were they doing?
[16:50.220 --> 16:50.480]  They're good.
[16:51.660 --> 16:53.020]  Or do we even...
[16:53.020 --> 16:55.720]  Something about Western Union credit card numbers.
[16:55.740 --> 16:56.100]  Yeah.
[16:56.100 --> 16:58.020]  And we quickly took care of that.
[16:58.160 --> 16:58.280]  Yeah.
[16:58.340 --> 17:00.080]  But, so...
[17:00.080 --> 17:02.220]  Basically, we didn't drop their docs.
[17:02.380 --> 17:02.440]  No.
[17:02.440 --> 17:04.180]  We didn't reveal them to the feds.
[17:04.260 --> 17:05.980]  We didn't do anything stupid like that.
[17:05.980 --> 17:09.180]  What we did, we simply just banned them from our system.
[17:09.180 --> 17:13.920]  But the point is, like, the voicemail thing, actually, we don't know what most of it's used for.
[17:14.320 --> 17:20.880]  And, you know, some of the criticisms that I've heard is like, you know, well, what if drug dealers are using it?
[17:20.980 --> 17:22.500]  I'm kind of like, yeah.
[17:24.440 --> 17:25.320]  And so...
[17:25.320 --> 17:26.260]  Or citizens, too.
[17:26.440 --> 17:27.900]  They don't get free service.
[17:28.840 --> 17:29.280]  Yeah.
[17:29.520 --> 17:31.960]  Drug dealers need a voicemail as well.
[17:32.640 --> 17:35.180]  Actually, I guess what we're saying, essentially, is that...
[17:36.380 --> 17:38.900]  We can get in trouble for anything these days.
[17:39.180 --> 17:44.680]  I mean, there's really no way to follow all seven and a half million laws across the states and the feds and all that.
[17:45.600 --> 17:47.500]  I'm not really sure if that's humanly possible.
[17:47.500 --> 17:51.060]  I'm sure you could look it up if you spent the rest of your life doing just that or something like that.
[17:51.160 --> 17:54.040]  But we're not breaking the law, man.
[17:54.760 --> 17:56.880]  We're offering a service that's free.
[17:57.200 --> 17:57.560]  Really?
[17:57.720 --> 18:00.320]  However you use it is your business, so...
[18:00.320 --> 18:01.580]  Yeah, we're not interested in...
[18:01.580 --> 18:03.120]  I wasn't saying that you were breaking up.
[18:08.790 --> 18:10.610]  They just come and say we want all the voicemails.
[18:10.710 --> 18:12.490]  We don't have any logs of any of that, so...
[18:12.490 --> 18:12.630]  Yeah.
[18:13.230 --> 18:13.570]  We don't.
[18:13.670 --> 18:14.590]  And they could do that.
[18:14.710 --> 18:16.070]  Because they can do whatever they want.
[18:16.930 --> 18:17.090]  Yeah.
[18:17.330 --> 18:21.750]  Now, Telephreak itself does not actually log any call detail reports.
[18:21.750 --> 18:28.990]  We do not actually parse our own CDR records on the conference or on the public PBX.
[18:32.220 --> 18:41.860]  Basically, what you can do is you can essentially ban the caller ID number or name of any given person through the blacklist function and asterisk.
[18:42.020 --> 18:43.940]  And keep in mind, these guys are complete tools.
[18:44.280 --> 18:44.780]  Oh, yeah.
[18:45.940 --> 18:46.500]  So...
[18:46.500 --> 18:49.920]  One guy was practicing his rap on the bridge one day.
[18:50.020 --> 18:50.300]  Oh, yeah.
[18:50.300 --> 18:50.400]  Yeah.
[18:50.460 --> 18:51.200]  He was doing that.
[18:51.340 --> 18:52.360]  He was rapping on the bridge.
[18:52.480 --> 18:53.500]  We listened to it for a little while.
[18:53.640 --> 18:54.280]  It was great.
[18:55.400 --> 18:56.380]  He was terrible.
[19:00.950 --> 19:03.810]  Server on their side, falsified your caller ID?
[19:04.170 --> 19:04.610]  Yes.
[19:04.830 --> 19:05.290]  Sure, right.
[19:05.290 --> 19:13.890]  And that has been a trouble of ours in the past, but through network means, for instance, IP tables, we can literally just drop their IP address.
[19:14.610 --> 19:17.810]  So, at that point, you just have to re-up your IP address.
[19:18.010 --> 19:22.310]  And for most people, that's more of a pain in the butt to reset your cable modem than to...
[19:22.310 --> 19:24.010]  They get bored and move along.
[19:24.470 --> 19:28.270]  It also takes a little bit of diligence just to keep moderating the conferences.
[19:28.550 --> 19:32.250]  Because then when they come back once or twice and there's still someone kicking them out, then they're like...
[19:32.250 --> 19:34.010]  They run out of resources and they give up.
[19:34.010 --> 19:37.230]  Also, we found ways of annoying people who annoy us, too.
[19:38.510 --> 19:39.250]  Very easily.
[19:39.530 --> 19:43.530]  You should tell them about the different ways that we can transfer people.
[19:43.530 --> 19:44.150]  Yeah.
[19:44.390 --> 19:51.110]  We have a number of different extensions, so we call them, that we can toss people if we don't like them, for instance.
[19:51.150 --> 19:52.570]  To tool 42 and 6.
[19:52.790 --> 19:53.790]  46 and 2.
[19:53.850 --> 19:54.410]  46 and 2.
[19:54.450 --> 19:55.910]  Nah, just a stupid song of mine.
[19:55.910 --> 20:01.570]  I have an old RIAA recording of basically somebody prank calling the RIAA.
[20:02.450 --> 20:03.190]  Banana phone.
[20:03.470 --> 20:04.510]  There's a banana phone.
[20:04.690 --> 20:05.790]  Rafi's banana phone.
[20:05.890 --> 20:06.270]  Of course.
[20:06.690 --> 20:11.790]  Now, the one that I always wanted to do was get, like, me, you, and Slestak on there and just record a conversation with us.
[20:11.890 --> 20:16.190]  So that whenever we transfer them off the conference, they still think they're on the conference.
[20:16.230 --> 20:20.150]  So if somebody is, like, sitting there toning the conference for, like, a few hours straight...
[20:20.150 --> 20:20.510]  We did that.
[20:20.970 --> 20:21.450]  Oh, okay.
[20:21.590 --> 20:27.390]  We actually didn't do a recording, but it was just like the conference, basically based on caller ID.
[20:27.530 --> 20:27.650]  Right.
[20:27.810 --> 20:34.330]  And basically the idea is that they'll think they're still toning the conference, when in actuality they're like, ah, I'm getting those guys.
[20:34.330 --> 20:36.250]  In reality they're just talking to themselves.
[20:36.490 --> 20:38.050]  They're toning a black room, full of nothing.
[20:38.530 --> 20:39.110]  Yeah, that's awesome.
[20:40.330 --> 20:42.810]  Well, we mute people all the time, but...
[20:42.810 --> 20:43.710]  Yeah, muting works well.
[20:43.870 --> 20:44.250]  Oh, yeah.
[20:44.390 --> 20:45.210]  Yeah, I see what you're saying.
[20:45.210 --> 20:47.790]  Yeah, muting tends to be more of a first time offense.
[20:48.030 --> 20:54.330]  Like, if you're just, like, echoing, for instance, a lot of people call in through VoIP phones for the first time through their computers.
[20:55.150 --> 21:02.350]  And they'll just automatically, like, just have a speaker phone and a pair of speakers just set up.
[21:02.350 --> 21:06.750]  And oftentimes they just create a nice echo on the conference.
[21:07.530 --> 21:13.510]  Yeah, there's lots of ways that you can get on the system, either via DID or direct by IP address, via IAX or SIP.
[21:13.730 --> 21:15.790]  And so a lot of people are experimenting with it.
[21:15.890 --> 21:16.970]  They're like, ooh, voice over IP.
[21:16.990 --> 21:19.210]  And they Google and eventually they'll find Telephreak.
[21:19.270 --> 21:21.370]  And so we get them on there a lot of times.
[21:21.430 --> 21:24.050]  And so they get, like, me and Gid going, shut the f*ck up, dude.
[21:24.170 --> 21:25.670]  Don't you know how to do VoIP?
[21:25.670 --> 21:31.290]  Yeah, but for the most part it's fairly straightforward to connect to the bridge.
[21:31.430 --> 21:35.230]  Literally just through what's called a DID or a direct inward dial.
[21:35.850 --> 21:41.230]  It's essentially just a regular telephone number that connects directly to the box.
[21:41.690 --> 21:54.230]  Another way is through the gateway, which is essentially a third-party service provider whom we then have, like, an extra extension or number off of their box.
[21:54.230 --> 21:55.670]  Another way is internationally.
[21:56.350 --> 21:58.510]  Once again, through DIDs or gateways.
[21:58.850 --> 22:04.130]  And the fourth and final way is through directly into the box over VoIP itself.
[22:04.730 --> 22:08.190]  We currently support both SIP and IAX clients.
[22:09.290 --> 22:12.230]  And, yeah, it's pretty nifty.
[22:12.430 --> 22:14.170]  Anyway, well, the...
[22:14.170 --> 22:14.610]  Go on.
[22:14.610 --> 22:19.370]  So we have a local server here that we're doing stuff and we plan to set up some games and stuff like that.
[22:19.710 --> 22:26.390]  And we have a server hosted externally because we weren't 100% sure on how well the bandwidth was going to work here.
[22:26.690 --> 22:27.910]  But we knew it would be shitty.
[22:28.670 --> 22:30.070]  Actually, it's been working amazingly.
[22:30.310 --> 22:31.230]  It's been working great.
[22:31.470 --> 22:33.010]  I don't know how much throughput you're getting out of it.
[22:33.090 --> 22:33.870]  Oh, you mean on your box?
[22:34.030 --> 22:34.890]  No, on the box here.
[22:34.890 --> 22:35.090]  Oh, that's crap.
[22:35.310 --> 22:36.010]  But, I mean...
[22:37.410 --> 22:42.050]  So we have an external box so we can have people around the world dial into.
[22:43.370 --> 22:47.310]  And, you know, either talk in the conference, either talk to people on the phones downstairs.
[22:47.430 --> 22:54.690]  We've set it up so that people can, around the world, dial in and just ring our phones and people kind of get confused and pick it up.
[22:54.750 --> 22:58.490]  And then they're talking to some jerk in Australia or New Zealand or something like that.
[22:59.090 --> 22:59.450]  So...
[22:59.450 --> 23:00.070]  You mean Ken?
[23:00.210 --> 23:00.670]  Ken Page.
[23:00.850 --> 23:01.470]  Yes, I do mean Ken.
[23:02.050 --> 23:03.910]  He's the permanent resident of the conference.
[23:05.250 --> 23:09.430]  And that's pretty much how it works between the setup.
[23:09.570 --> 23:11.130]  And we're adding in more features.
[23:11.130 --> 23:13.650]  We're a little bit behind and very, very tired.
[23:15.550 --> 23:16.250]  Coffee and beer.
[23:16.750 --> 23:17.150]  Yeah.
[23:17.270 --> 23:18.770]  It has been pretty much our diet.
[23:19.090 --> 23:20.270]  Well, they can bring it.
[23:20.410 --> 23:21.050]  I mean, that's what I'm saying.
[23:21.410 --> 23:21.730]  Oh, okay.
[23:22.630 --> 23:31.490]  The funnest thing for me so far is the ATAs that we're using actually allow us to use pulse-style telephones without any extra stuff going on.
[23:32.010 --> 23:34.830]  They do the... they convert the pulse to the DTMF.
[23:34.950 --> 23:35.110]  Yeah.
[23:35.770 --> 23:36.190]  Or...
[23:36.190 --> 23:37.930]  Did you ever figure out how to do star and pound?
[23:38.470 --> 23:38.790]  No.
[23:39.010 --> 23:43.810]  Does anybody know how to use a pulse-style phone dial phone to dial star, pound?
[23:44.130 --> 23:44.550]  Anybody know?
[23:44.750 --> 23:45.790]  Or can it be done?
[23:46.050 --> 23:47.990]  I thought it was 11 or 11 real quick, but...
[23:47.990 --> 23:48.470]  It's 11.
[23:48.590 --> 23:48.930]  Is it 11?
[23:49.350 --> 23:50.170]  I tried it.
[23:50.230 --> 23:50.850]  I tried that.
[23:50.970 --> 23:51.090]  Yeah.
[23:51.150 --> 23:51.730]  I'm gonna try it again.
[23:52.530 --> 23:53.550]  It's totally possible.
[23:53.750 --> 23:53.850]  Yeah.
[23:58.220 --> 23:59.760]  I think I tried it as a menu.
[24:00.420 --> 24:02.860]  And I think it's like dial 9 to get to the menu, right?
[24:03.040 --> 24:03.520]  Right, right.
[24:03.780 --> 24:06.560]  And then I tried to dial something from there.
[24:07.180 --> 24:07.240]  Huh.
[24:08.540 --> 24:12.280]  Oh, did you try to just do 9 and then try to dial a phone number after you dialed 9?
[24:12.300 --> 24:15.920]  I tried to dial 9, then wait for the menu, and then dial like 1 or something.
[24:16.260 --> 24:18.000]  And that wasn't going to...
[24:18.500 --> 24:20.460]  I used to do the initial dialing part.
[24:20.880 --> 24:21.320]  Right.
[24:21.780 --> 24:22.700]  What was 1?
[24:23.200 --> 24:25.280]  No, actually 1 is the...
[24:25.280 --> 24:26.460]  Call something f*cking interesting.
[24:26.460 --> 24:26.820]  Yeah.
[24:26.920 --> 24:27.280]  Yeah.
[24:27.540 --> 24:36.620]  No, actually here and there throughout the day today, we've been kind of troubleshooting things and kind of, you know, you might have picked up a phone that was being worked on or...
[24:36.620 --> 24:37.900]  Yeah, I was redoing all those cables.
[24:38.060 --> 24:38.300]  I don't know.
[24:38.380 --> 24:41.660]  Yeah, actually a lot of the Ethernet cables we had to work with weren't very cool.
[24:42.340 --> 24:42.700]  So...
[24:43.380 --> 24:47.720]  Once again, like we only started really putting together the IVR yesterday.
[24:48.060 --> 24:48.420]  So...
[24:48.420 --> 24:48.520]  Yeah.
[24:48.540 --> 24:53.080]  Most everything that you're seeing on there is the result of the last 24 hours of...
[24:53.080 --> 24:54.560]  Well, it's on the fly and for what we need.
[24:54.560 --> 24:56.900]  I mean, we're building the features for what people are asking for.
[24:57.040 --> 25:01.020]  Yeah, it's entirely the result of our last minute procrastinations.
[25:01.380 --> 25:11.440]  Well, if you guys have any of your own phones too, feel free to come up and we got a couple extra ATAs and we'll even unplug something that's already there and you can try it out and mess around and stuff.
[25:12.100 --> 25:14.280]  Or if you have a feature set or anything like that.
[25:14.280 --> 25:15.380]  Yeah.
[25:15.640 --> 25:16.000]  Go ahead.
[25:16.340 --> 25:16.420]  Go ahead.
[25:16.420 --> 25:20.070]  If you make for...
[25:20.070 --> 25:20.850]  Nothing.
[25:21.250 --> 25:22.350]  No, it's all free.
[25:22.750 --> 25:23.410]  Only...
[25:23.410 --> 25:29.450]  Yeah, they would only be charged for if their service provider would charge them for an inbound call.
[25:29.630 --> 25:30.010]  Okay.
[25:30.330 --> 25:37.210]  Basically, we're not collecting any rates on these and we're actually paying out of pocket for this service.
[25:37.750 --> 25:41.030]  actually be approximately how much money have we spent today?
[25:42.370 --> 25:47.110]  Today, I looked at it, we have spent, I think it's about $6.50.
[25:47.550 --> 25:48.770]  You guys need to make more calls.
[25:49.350 --> 25:50.830]  Yeah, so we need a lot more calls.
[25:51.290 --> 25:51.850]  A couple hundred bucks or something?
[25:52.270 --> 25:52.850]  Yeah, yeah.
[25:53.250 --> 25:53.410]  Yeah.
[25:53.950 --> 25:54.550]  Come on guys.
[25:55.190 --> 25:55.470]  Call.
[25:55.910 --> 25:57.470]  Someone international, go call them.
[25:57.470 --> 25:58.110]  Yeah.
[25:58.410 --> 25:59.390]  How do you fund this?
[25:59.690 --> 26:02.870]  Because I'm guessing at some point it might get expensive either.
[26:03.090 --> 26:04.790]  With our cheap American dollar.
[26:06.830 --> 26:07.670]  No doubt.
[26:08.410 --> 26:09.410]  It's going to be an American.
[26:09.570 --> 26:14.470]  Literally, like, the bandwidth is graciously donated from Beef and his work.
[26:14.850 --> 26:15.990]  Oh, and actually Rodent too.
[26:16.230 --> 26:16.910]  And Rodent.
[26:17.430 --> 26:23.110]  Yeah, the box for Telephreak, we got that from a co-location in Dallas and that's through Teal Networks.
[26:23.570 --> 26:24.350]  What about the dig?
[26:24.650 --> 26:26.130]  Who provides the digs?
[26:26.130 --> 26:38.250]  No, the DIDs are actually oftentimes free for us as inbound providers as Celex tend to make money off of long distance charges to those DIDs.
[26:38.450 --> 26:41.450]  So we actually don't pay a cent for it in exchange.
[26:41.450 --> 26:46.710]  Your regular phone company is already making the rates just through normal service.
[26:46.970 --> 26:49.630]  Yeah, we're going to pull up some inbound tomorrow, big time.
[26:49.890 --> 26:49.990]  Sure.
[26:50.270 --> 26:55.690]  And they just offer just a DID that goes via SIP or IAX to wherever you point it.
[26:55.690 --> 26:57.670]  So we point it to the Telephreak Asterisk box.
[26:57.950 --> 27:02.890]  And literally all that that does, it just takes a regular phone number and sends it into a VoIP protocol.
[27:03.450 --> 27:07.050]  And we just pick it up wherever we have our asterisk box hosted.
[27:07.050 --> 27:12.070]  And we're also using SIP broker, which gives us a lot of international inbound.
[27:12.250 --> 27:16.470]  Like all over the world, if you're sitting in Argentina, you can dial in and whatnot.
[27:16.770 --> 27:17.430]  That's a local.
[27:17.950 --> 27:18.170]  Yeah.
[27:18.170 --> 27:19.150]  I'm sorry.
[27:19.330 --> 27:24.210]  What did you say you guys did that was advantageous for them to do a free DID?
[27:25.390 --> 27:27.290]  We signed up for their service.
[27:27.630 --> 27:28.290]  Terminate their calls?
[27:28.470 --> 27:28.590]  No.
[27:28.690 --> 27:35.630]  The companies, they make money off the inbound termination, either via tariffs or via long-distance termination.
[27:35.650 --> 27:38.470]  So we get the DID for free inbound.
[27:38.910 --> 27:39.730]  Yeah, for instance...
[27:39.730 --> 27:41.210]  So we don't make any outbound calls with it.
[27:41.210 --> 27:46.290]  And so the CLEC that offers the DID, they make like chump change off of it by giving us free inbound.
[27:46.470 --> 27:48.750]  So if I wanted to just pick up the phone number...
[27:48.750 --> 27:54.270]  You could pick up one DID and point it to wherever you wanted via SIP or IAX and do just that.
[27:54.510 --> 27:59.370]  Yeah, you can literally get a free VoIP telephone number just by signing up for a service.
[27:59.750 --> 27:59.830]  Free inbound.
[28:00.270 --> 28:00.750]  Like...
[28:02.730 --> 28:04.530]  One of them is called IP Call.
[28:04.790 --> 28:08.010]  IP Call, SIP Broker, IAX Tel...
[28:08.010 --> 28:13.170]  If you take a look at the webpage that I have displayed right now, it's our DID access page.
[28:13.630 --> 28:18.530]  And on that page, we actually say who our provider for each one of these DIDs is.
[28:19.570 --> 28:22.470]  SIP numbers, just one that I recently found.
[28:22.710 --> 28:24.390]  There's Stanaphone and there's IP Call.
[28:25.070 --> 28:25.590]  So, I mean...
[28:25.590 --> 28:28.310]  I don't think Stanaphone is accepting new...
[28:28.310 --> 28:28.650]  Stanaphone...
[28:28.650 --> 28:29.490]  Stanaphone...
[28:29.490 --> 28:30.610]  He's got a Stanaphone number tonight.
[28:30.890 --> 28:31.130]  Cut them down.
[28:31.130 --> 28:31.990]  Oh, did they set it back up?
[28:32.130 --> 28:32.310]  Yeah.
[28:32.490 --> 28:33.890]  That's the one we have.
[28:33.970 --> 28:37.090]  We have a telephone number specifically for the conference.
[28:37.490 --> 28:39.290]  So that it makes the phones ring.
[28:39.630 --> 28:40.730]  Give it out to your friends.
[28:41.010 --> 28:42.230]  Say, hey, I'm standing next to the phone.
[28:42.790 --> 28:42.930]  Boom.
[28:43.970 --> 28:44.610]  Or whatever.
[28:44.770 --> 28:45.990]  Give it to a pizza delivery guy.
[28:46.450 --> 28:47.110]  Put it on the street.
[28:47.550 --> 28:47.690]  Yeah.
[28:47.830 --> 28:48.950]  Maybe get some interesting calls.
[28:48.950 --> 28:51.470]  It's nice for anonymizing yourself, for instance.
[28:51.830 --> 28:52.230]  Yeah, absolutely.
[28:52.230 --> 29:01.150]  If you don't want to give out your cell phone number to hope attendees, it's probably a good idea to just forward it all through your asterisk box through one of these free DIDs.
[29:02.810 --> 29:04.330]  Just to jump in for a second.
[29:04.470 --> 29:12.790]  Since you all know how we can abuse our callers and all of our problems we've been having, we've kind of jumped over one of the most important aspects of the actual project.
[29:12.790 --> 29:14.250]  And that is the conference itself.
[29:14.910 --> 29:19.350]  And in essence, it really brings back the old school free community.
[29:19.350 --> 29:24.150]  And a perfect example of that is in China when the great firewall went up.
[29:24.290 --> 29:32.630]  We had callers coming from all over China calling into the conference and talking to us about things that were not being reported in, you know, major media outlets.
[29:32.830 --> 29:40.270]  We were the first to know, you know, because people found their way around the firewall to call our conference, you know, beating their own system.
[29:40.390 --> 29:43.250]  And that, in essence, is really what Project Telephreak is about.
[29:43.250 --> 29:51.610]  I think that Telephreak kind of embodies a libertarian idea of being able to have free speech no matter where you are in the world.
[29:52.490 --> 30:02.830]  So, despite being in America, being in a foreign country, so long as you have Internet access or telephone access, you can share your opinion or hear the opinions of others.
[30:03.370 --> 30:08.130]  I think that is a really important thing that a lot of people tend to overlook in Telephreak.
[30:09.830 --> 30:11.390]  We want everyone to be able to use it.
[30:11.530 --> 30:12.190]  We want it to be free.
[30:12.430 --> 30:15.110]  And we're not interested in pushing our politics on anyone else.
[30:15.110 --> 30:16.130]  I mean, that's what it's all about.
[30:16.290 --> 30:20.270]  You know, just having a bunch of guys just sit around drinking beers all night on the conference.
[30:20.450 --> 30:21.990]  Just shooting shit.
[30:21.990 --> 30:22.850]  Well, B drinks beer all night.
[30:23.410 --> 30:23.790]  I don't.
[30:24.010 --> 30:24.690]  I do too.
[30:25.910 --> 30:28.750]  I mean, yeah, like, it can be pretty fun.
[30:28.910 --> 30:34.130]  Like, I've come up with some really creative stuff just by sitting around talking with Slestak on the phone.
[30:34.330 --> 30:35.330]  Yeah, beer makes me smarter, man.
[30:35.350 --> 30:35.730]  It's weird.
[30:36.350 --> 30:36.670]  Well...
[30:37.230 --> 30:37.770]  I don't know.
[30:38.070 --> 30:39.350]  It's like a vitamin or something.
[30:39.630 --> 30:41.230]  It helps slow down the brain a little bit.
[30:41.310 --> 30:41.590]  Yeah, maybe.
[30:44.850 --> 30:46.070]  Any other questions at all?
[30:46.330 --> 30:46.890]  One in the back.
[30:51.020 --> 30:51.340]  Yes.
[30:51.340 --> 30:51.920]  We used to.
[30:52.120 --> 30:53.540]  Yeah, actually, no, we used to.
[30:54.180 --> 30:54.840]  Yeah, we used to.
[30:55.040 --> 30:55.700]  No, that one.
[30:55.820 --> 30:58.020]  I had to kill that one when we moved that office.
[30:58.100 --> 30:58.840]  Well, then I'll get some up.
[30:59.040 --> 30:59.180]  Yeah.
[30:59.400 --> 30:59.600]  Okay.
[30:59.780 --> 31:05.320]  We used to have some up, but, you know, through maintenance and just the changes of topology and time, you know, I thought we had some up.
[31:05.780 --> 31:06.440]  Yeah, we recently moved data centers.
[31:06.440 --> 31:08.760]  But it's possible we can do that and do, like, free inbound on it.
[31:34.580 --> 31:35.300]  Yeah, we recently moved data centers.
[31:36.720 --> 31:37.040]  FWD out.
[31:37.040 --> 31:37.640]  FWD out.
[31:38.000 --> 31:38.740]  That's the name of it.
[31:39.200 --> 31:40.480]  Actually, I think they shut that down.
[31:40.740 --> 31:40.860]  Yeah.
[31:40.860 --> 31:41.720]  No, it's still around, man.
[31:42.140 --> 31:43.940]  I think they changed names, didn't they?
[31:44.020 --> 31:45.380]  I was just there the other day, so.
[31:45.560 --> 31:45.720]  Oh.
[31:45.720 --> 31:51.680]  Anyhow, that service, if you have a free line, you can share it using asterisk.
[31:52.840 --> 31:56.720]  And essentially, you accrue credits over a period of time.
[31:56.900 --> 32:00.160]  And I think it's for every call that passes through your line.
[32:00.420 --> 32:04.900]  You get 10 credits and you can dial anywhere that their dial plan will work in.
[32:05.000 --> 32:05.600]  That's everywhere.
[32:05.840 --> 32:07.200]  It's a large list.
[32:07.380 --> 32:10.260]  Sort of like torrent for telephone calls.
[32:10.660 --> 32:10.940]  Yeah.
[32:11.380 --> 32:15.320]  Plus, it's really fun to back-spoof people, too, on that.
[32:15.480 --> 32:24.040]  Because, actually, that was the first thing I did with it was call out and then to my own cell phone, of course, and see who I was using, you know, where the line was and stuff.
[32:24.140 --> 32:24.700]  So, I called him up.
[32:24.780 --> 32:26.300]  I was like, wow, dude, you like asterisk.
[32:26.380 --> 32:27.140]  That's kind of cool, man.
[32:27.180 --> 32:28.560]  You're, like, pretty close to me and stuff.
[32:29.900 --> 32:32.360]  And he was like, yeah, I love it, man, but I can't get a job doing it.
[32:32.460 --> 32:33.580]  So, what are you guys doing?
[32:33.900 --> 32:34.480]  It was cool.
[32:34.900 --> 32:37.460]  Yeah, there isn't a lot of work out there for VoIP these days.
[32:37.940 --> 32:38.220]  Yeah.
[32:38.360 --> 32:39.960]  It's kind of saturated, but it's fun.
[32:40.420 --> 32:41.260]  Mostly in India.
[32:41.480 --> 32:42.060]  Good hobby.
[32:43.100 --> 32:43.320]  Cheat.
[32:45.420 --> 32:55.080]  So, on the CAM project website, there's a picture that's been up for months now that says asterisk radio boxes.
[32:56.180 --> 32:57.440]  Oh, that's Ken's page.
[32:58.340 --> 32:59.340]  Is that Ken's?
[32:59.860 --> 33:01.200]  I think I know what he's talking about.
[33:01.200 --> 33:01.600]  CAM project.
[33:02.100 --> 33:03.180]  So, my question would be, what are those?
[33:03.260 --> 33:05.660]  And then my second question would be, I know you're really into radio.
[33:05.660 --> 33:10.120]  Have you incorporated your radio stuff into trying to connect into those telecasts?
[33:10.240 --> 33:10.620]  All right.
[33:10.840 --> 33:11.620]  Well, the first question.
[33:12.260 --> 33:19.440]  Gid, a while ago, wrote a project all freehand with PHP and just, you know, his Gidness, called camproject.net.
[33:19.440 --> 33:25.940]  And it lets people just set up a cam, you know, and it uploads via FTP and it's just for, you know, camming.
[33:26.000 --> 33:26.640]  It's easy, whatever.
[33:27.360 --> 33:27.460]  Yeah.
[33:27.980 --> 33:34.640]  So, there's a picture up there and Ken, one of our permanent residences on the conference from...
[33:34.640 --> 33:35.920]  Ken's brilliant, by the way.
[33:36.020 --> 33:36.900]  Is it the bottom one right there?
[33:37.120 --> 33:37.300]  Yeah.
[33:38.200 --> 33:39.320]  He's down here at the bottom.
[33:39.740 --> 33:42.800]  He's the only guy who just doesn't update his picture at all.
[33:43.640 --> 33:44.000]  Okay.
[33:44.060 --> 33:44.880]  I think I know what it is.
[33:45.020 --> 33:49.620]  And there's some modules that come with Asterisk if you compile all the add-ons and stuff like that.
[33:49.740 --> 33:51.660]  And it's an Asterisk to radio interface.
[33:52.100 --> 33:57.540]  Kind of like IRLP.net for ham radio as well as, gosh, there's a couple of them.
[33:57.680 --> 33:58.220]  Echo Stink.
[33:58.320 --> 33:58.520]  I'm sorry.
[33:58.620 --> 33:59.080]  Echo Link.
[34:00.760 --> 34:01.500]  That one's bad.
[34:01.720 --> 34:02.340]  Don't use it.
[34:03.400 --> 34:07.920]  But there's also stuff for Asterisk to merge radio and Asterisk.
[34:08.320 --> 34:12.020]  And it's a nice way to do it, but no one's really capitalized on it.
[34:12.050 --> 34:15.440]  Probably because it's poorly documented and the hardware isn't easy to put together.
[34:15.940 --> 34:20.070]  So, you know, ham operators, and they may be smart, but they still gotta like pull stuff.
[34:20.700 --> 34:24.440]  Ken is really do-it-yourself too, and he likes to do things his own way.
[34:24.780 --> 34:32.160]  And so, yeah, I met him a long time ago and it took forever, but I finally sent him a card so he could try some stuff or whatever.
[34:32.520 --> 34:34.780]  And it's just a TDM card with two ports, you know.
[34:35.120 --> 34:36.060]  And then he buys days.
[34:36.680 --> 34:37.200]  What's that?
[34:37.360 --> 34:38.280]  And then he buys days.
[34:38.700 --> 34:38.860]  Yeah.
[34:39.480 --> 34:41.980]  So then your second question was if I've done any of that stuff.
[34:42.400 --> 34:46.700]  I've looked at it a lot and been kind of waiting for it to develop and mature a little bit more.
[34:46.840 --> 34:52.860]  I've done a lot of radio to voice over IP interfaces with IRLP, but I haven't done it with Asterisk.
[34:52.860 --> 34:55.400]  I'd really like to because the functionality is like endless.
[34:55.640 --> 34:56.640]  It's pretty awesome.
[34:57.340 --> 34:59.580]  Is it two-way or is it only really out there?
[34:59.800 --> 35:02.020]  No, it's two-way with IRLP.
[35:02.500 --> 35:10.020]  Yeah, and so like you can either do it from like Asterisk to Asterisk or from phone to radio or radio to radio with Asterisk in the middle.
[35:10.220 --> 35:12.160]  I mean, the possibilities are endless with it.
[35:12.340 --> 35:18.040]  So I haven't done it yet, but I've been looking for the code base to develop a little bit more and get a little more documentation out of it.
[35:18.200 --> 35:18.320]  Yeah.
[35:18.320 --> 35:21.540]  I just don't have the time to really f*ck with it, but...
[35:21.540 --> 35:26.480]  Now, the thing about Asterisk is that it's a very malleable piece of software that's out there.
[35:26.480 --> 35:29.280]  Yeah, if you have the time, you can pretty much really make it do anything.
[35:29.580 --> 35:31.040]  I guess that's why they call it Star.
[35:31.320 --> 35:35.940]  You can literally do anything by interfacing a telephone to a computer, basically.
[35:36.340 --> 35:38.060]  Yeah, you can even wipe out a server with it.
[35:38.120 --> 35:38.480]  It's awesome.
[35:39.060 --> 35:45.060]  I mean, I've met people who have built animatronic robots that interface through Asterisk.
[35:45.060 --> 35:53.700]  I've met people who have built little options to, like, turn off and on lights in their home just by calling their home phone number.
[35:54.140 --> 35:58.340]  Yeah, we used to have some stuff, maybe some of it's still up, but, like, scanners plugged in.
[35:58.460 --> 36:00.180]  You can call anywhere from Telephreak.
[36:00.280 --> 36:04.140]  Yeah, like, you can listen to radio scanners right off of Telephreak itself.
[36:04.600 --> 36:04.780]  Right.
[36:05.320 --> 36:05.520]  Yeah.
[36:06.120 --> 36:06.800]  Do you want to say something?
[36:06.940 --> 36:09.220]  Actually, you can even listen to WBAI.
[36:09.220 --> 36:15.420]  Yeah, we even have live radio streams right through Asterisk off of our main PBX.
[36:15.620 --> 36:16.100]  Absolutely.
[36:16.280 --> 36:21.340]  Yeah, it actually gives you a direct interface to spot any language on the system that you're using, as well.
[36:21.860 --> 36:26.340]  Through the AGI or actually straight through system calls and all kinds of stuff.
[36:26.460 --> 36:30.020]  Yeah, through either the AGI interface or through the manager interface.
[36:30.020 --> 36:35.000]  You're able to literally control Asterisk or have Asterisk control something for you.
[36:35.520 --> 36:36.980]  Which is pretty cool.
[36:38.460 --> 36:41.860]  And the beautiful thing about Asterisk, you know, it's all open source.
[36:42.480 --> 36:48.900]  I mean, we've been free to modify it, f*ck with it as much as we like and just put it out there.
[36:49.300 --> 36:55.220]  We do put our source code up on telephreak.org slash code if anybody ever wants to check it out.
[36:55.740 --> 36:57.440]  That's what this page looks like here.
[36:57.440 --> 36:59.340]  It's fairly straightforward.
[36:59.620 --> 37:08.040]  Literally, whenever we write some little stupid script or modify another script, we literally just throw that piece of code up there on Telephreak.
[37:09.560 --> 37:16.440]  At the moment, I'm actually working on a couple of little panels, which I'll probably be publishing right after HOPE this year.
[37:17.600 --> 37:18.940]  Basically, real straightforward.
[37:19.320 --> 37:22.900]  It just allows you to see all active channels on a current PBX.
[37:22.900 --> 37:29.400]  Like, for instance, this guy here from the 270 is called into our box, wherever he is.
[37:29.700 --> 37:41.940]  But we're able to see that this guy is coming in through Kentucky, and we can find out all the information on his service provider and all that stuff without really needing to do anything funky.
[37:42.820 --> 37:49.420]  One thing is, like, when we're using just the normal Telephreak system, we don't give out anyone's caller ID or anything like that.
[37:49.520 --> 37:55.620]  There's only a few people who have access to the administrator functions of this, and that's like me, Beave, and Gid, and Slestak.
[37:56.040 --> 38:00.880]  Right, and keep in mind, we don't actually keep it logged just during that current session.
[38:01.480 --> 38:04.880]  So whenever you're connected up, as soon as you hang up, I mean, it's not getting done by logging.
[38:04.880 --> 38:08.940]  Really, the only information that's ever logged is who's in the blacklist file.
[38:09.240 --> 38:09.640]  Right.
[38:09.860 --> 38:16.320]  And in reality, like, if they're in that file and the feds come to bust us down, I'd prefer them to get busted to who.
[38:16.580 --> 38:19.200]  So, you know, they're in there for a point.
[38:22.090 --> 38:27.580]  So a couple things that we do work on together is me and Gid are on the Usual Suspects radio.
[38:27.940 --> 38:29.860]  We do a small little radio show every Friday.
[38:30.940 --> 38:33.140]  And, you know, we talk about sports for an hour.
[38:33.320 --> 38:35.440]  We're not big on sports, but our other co-hosts are.
[38:35.600 --> 38:39.160]  And then we talk about technology and security and politics for the latter half of the hour.
[38:39.280 --> 38:44.820]  And so a lot of people listen to it via the archive, but we're also broadcast live on the Internet easily with Shoutcast.
[38:44.820 --> 38:47.440]  And then Saturday morning, we're out on the AM bands.
[38:48.240 --> 38:50.120]  So that's a project me and Gid work on.
[38:51.800 --> 38:53.000]  Yeah, KLAV 11.
[38:53.220 --> 38:54.300]  We don't listen to it on the AM.
[38:54.460 --> 38:56.000]  KLAV 1230 AM.
[38:56.280 --> 38:57.780]  So we work on that project together.
[38:57.780 --> 39:00.980]  And so we always troll people and talk about whatever's on our mind on the air.
[39:01.260 --> 39:03.820]  Yeah, whenever we're bored and just feeling like we're shooting the breeze.
[39:04.020 --> 39:05.620]  I mean, we show up every Friday at a coffee shop.
[39:05.620 --> 39:06.220]  Yeah, open mic night.
[39:06.280 --> 39:09.260]  Anyone's welcome to call in or come troll us on the radio as well.
[39:09.500 --> 39:10.980]  And it goes both ways.
[39:11.160 --> 39:16.680]  The other thing that we work together on is Beave and I host the IRC network for 2600.
[39:17.660 --> 39:19.020]  Which is loads of laughs.
[39:19.160 --> 39:20.920]  Loads of laughs and fun.
[39:21.300 --> 39:23.400]  But that's all about community and just making it work.
[39:23.520 --> 39:29.380]  I mean, all of us work on that together to keep our channels chatting and make it user-friendly, I guess.
[39:29.500 --> 39:31.080]  Yeah, just try and keep out the bots.
[39:31.360 --> 39:31.420]  Which is possible.
[39:31.420 --> 39:32.100]  That's pretty much it.
[39:33.140 --> 39:36.700]  And then, I think me and Jay Falcon, we do...
[39:36.700 --> 39:39.040]  Actually, I wrote a piece of software called iWar.
[39:39.440 --> 39:46.620]  And I've gotten really interested in calling other countries repeatedly a lot.
[39:47.180 --> 39:49.060]  And we do...
[39:49.060 --> 39:50.340]  They want to be called.
[39:50.480 --> 39:50.980]  They really do.
[39:51.280 --> 39:54.700]  Oh, we would sit and talk to each other until 4 o'clock in this morning.
[39:55.200 --> 39:56.620]  Just talking about X.25.
[39:57.120 --> 39:58.580]  I was like, hey, do you remember Telenet, man?
[39:59.000 --> 39:59.380]  Yeah, yeah.
[39:59.460 --> 40:07.700]  Earlier today, I was sitting in the booth up in Telephreak and Jay Falcon over here had his laptop war-dialing China.
[40:08.240 --> 40:09.100]  Well, you know.
[40:09.240 --> 40:11.220]  Like, what the hell, man?
[40:12.760 --> 40:13.540]  Hey, they need to love to.
[40:13.540 --> 40:14.620]  They need to love to.
[40:16.680 --> 40:18.700]  Well, you know, it's tit for tat, so.
[40:20.840 --> 40:21.400]  Yeah.
[40:21.800 --> 40:30.420]  But Beave wrote a really awesome piece of software called iWar, which I'm happy that we're actually posting and hosting that source code on Telephreak.
[40:30.660 --> 40:31.380]  Yeah, and actually...
[40:31.380 --> 40:33.620]  He's chosen to associate it with Telephreak.
[40:33.760 --> 40:34.380]  It's really awesome.
[40:34.420 --> 40:39.440]  I found a great document from the Department of Homeland Security just recently.
[40:39.620 --> 40:42.060]  And it was an article from their...
[40:42.060 --> 40:42.480]  What was it?
[40:42.640 --> 40:44.420]  Cybersecurity, whatever it was.
[40:44.580 --> 40:45.100]  Cybersecurity.
[40:45.100 --> 40:51.000]  It was about securing modems, and they said one of the top utilities, the first one they mentioned was iWar.
[40:51.100 --> 40:52.020]  I was like, yes!
[40:52.260 --> 40:53.300]  That's awesome!
[40:54.340 --> 40:55.780]  Put that on your resume, Beeb.
[40:55.880 --> 40:57.500]  Oh, it's totally gonna be on there.
[40:59.240 --> 41:00.480]  And it's free, right?
[41:00.740 --> 41:03.040]  Homeland Security Bulletin, August 2007.
[41:05.160 --> 41:08.560]  As you can tell, we're quite a versatile group of developers.
[41:08.840 --> 41:12.780]  I mean, talking about asterisks, we're talking about tons of different phone-related programs.
[41:13.340 --> 41:15.560]  We more or less have a very short attention span.
[41:15.860 --> 41:24.800]  So, as you can tell, we're all seem to be working on different projects at the same time, but at the same... you know, collaborating on the conference itself to bring it all together in the end.
[41:25.080 --> 41:25.900]  Mm-hmm.
[41:26.300 --> 41:34.320]  Yeah, like this entire conference, everything that you're going to experience in the Telephreak booth will literally have been made up on the fly.
[41:34.320 --> 41:37.300]  Like, almost none of this stuff was pre-planned.
[41:37.520 --> 41:42.740]  Like, we literally showed up the day before and said, hey, let's just start putting it all together.
[41:42.900 --> 41:42.920]  Let's do some Asterisks.
[41:43.140 --> 41:44.920]  We literally got on the conference and said, let's do this.
[41:44.920 --> 41:48.720]  The only pre-planning was like, okay, yeah, we're going to be buying this equipment.
[41:48.880 --> 41:50.280]  I think you planned enough to crack on up here.
[41:50.280 --> 41:53.920]  No, I think that we, like, bought a few hundred t-shirts or something like that.
[41:54.040 --> 41:58.260]  Yeah, we have some t-shirts, so if you want to be all telephonic with us, you can buy those.
[41:58.260 --> 42:00.340]  We're not, like, we're making money on those.
[42:00.480 --> 42:02.260]  We're actually going in the hole on those, so just buy them.
[42:02.260 --> 42:09.780]  Yeah, and there were some shot glasses way back when, but I think those are going to be kind of a collector's item for the elite few of Telephreak.
[42:10.360 --> 42:16.200]  Yeah, we're looking for ideas for contesting, too, because tomorrow we're going to focus a bit on inbound and contesting.
[42:16.200 --> 42:18.720]  Yeah, this is entirely based off of ideas.
[42:19.140 --> 42:22.360]  Like, it's all last-minute changes.
[42:22.640 --> 42:29.980]  Yeah, we're going to give points for the most amount of contacts made versus how long the contacts were and that sort of thing.
[42:30.160 --> 42:30.980]  Maybe the longest call?
[42:31.380 --> 42:32.860]  Or not, like, time, but, like, distance?
[42:33.540 --> 42:35.260]  I think the DTMF thing is a better idea.
[42:35.500 --> 42:39.540]  Yeah, that would be, like, random digits generated over, you know, an interval.
[42:39.540 --> 42:41.780]  Or DTMF and here, identify them and...
[42:41.780 --> 42:42.020]  Yeah.
[42:43.080 --> 42:43.260]  Right.
[42:43.440 --> 42:44.180]  I thought that was the whole idea.
[42:45.260 --> 42:47.060]  Can anyone read DTMF by ear?
[42:47.860 --> 42:49.120]  I can, for the most part.
[42:49.300 --> 42:50.520]  We'll have a contest for you.
[42:50.720 --> 42:51.360]  Yeah, exactly.
[42:51.820 --> 42:52.960]  Be ready to drink when you're done.
[42:53.160 --> 42:53.820]  And how many digits can you remember?
[42:53.860 --> 42:57.700]  When you use something long enough, you kind of get used to the sound of it, I suppose, you know?
[42:57.700 --> 42:58.660]  That's a cool sound of it.
[42:58.740 --> 43:01.800]  Yeah, you can kind of pick up DTMF if you really listen for it.
[43:04.260 --> 43:04.860]  Kind of.
[43:05.480 --> 43:06.700]  Telephreak Simon says, yeah.
[43:06.760 --> 43:07.180]  There you go.
[43:08.900 --> 43:14.200]  So, is there anything we could learn by looking at your extensions.com or your SIP.com or anything like that?
[43:14.340 --> 43:16.080]  No, that would be kind of private.
[43:16.280 --> 43:19.580]  I think Beave has, like, a weird AGI going down right now.
[43:19.600 --> 43:23.560]  But, sure, we're always willing to share any of the knowledge or any of the experience that we have.
[43:23.640 --> 43:24.840]  And that's what we do with each other.
[43:24.840 --> 43:27.180]  Yeah, like, most of that stuff you'll probably actually...
[43:27.180 --> 43:32.160]  More than likely, you'll probably see, like, the source code of everything that we've done here.
[43:32.380 --> 43:36.020]  Like, any software that we've written just for the HOPE project so far.
[43:36.500 --> 43:39.240]  Anything like that, we'll probably be posting pretty soon.
[43:39.500 --> 43:45.340]  And the reason why I say that is because just by the nature of the configs of Asterisk and the way that it's set up...
[43:45.340 --> 43:47.860]  We have, like, a lot of information in there that's confidential, but...
[43:47.860 --> 43:48.240]  Oh, yeah.
[43:48.520 --> 43:49.340]  But the special ways that we set stuff up...
[43:49.340 --> 43:55.700]  You know, if there's, like, an exploit for one of my panels, I don't exactly want to release it during the middle of the conference when everybody's using it.
[43:55.900 --> 44:00.800]  So, I mean, it's probably a good idea to hold off on that until after...
[44:07.460 --> 44:15.440]  Yeah, it always helps to look at a clean extensions file without any of the original comment code in it.
[44:15.860 --> 44:18.000]  Yeah, plus, you know, we'll talk about it all day, man.
[44:18.080 --> 44:19.960]  You can come upstairs and talk about phones.
[44:19.960 --> 44:21.220]  I'll bitch about stuff.
[44:21.280 --> 44:22.040]  All day long as you want.
[44:22.220 --> 44:22.520]  If I get the chance.
[44:22.520 --> 44:22.780]  That's what we have.
[44:22.860 --> 44:24.180]  I mean, we've got our own bridge.
[44:24.280 --> 44:26.720]  Anyone can call us and we'll just talk with you, so...
[44:26.720 --> 44:27.200]  But we...
[44:27.200 --> 44:29.040]  Keep this, though, in mind.
[44:29.380 --> 44:33.380]  We've had, like, a bajillion people call us who, like, just set up Asterisk.
[44:33.600 --> 44:34.620]  And so...
[44:35.280 --> 44:37.520]  Not like we're like, RTFM, motherf*cker.
[44:38.660 --> 44:41.960]  But the simple stuff, yeah, we'll be like, hey, just go look at that.
[44:42.680 --> 44:49.880]  Yeah, like, we're always interested in helping out as best we can, but only to an extent where it doesn't involve too much time.
[44:49.880 --> 44:55.080]  Yeah, like, Ken, I mean, he has a lot of great ideas and he's very innovative and whatnot.
[44:55.240 --> 44:59.060]  But a lot of times, if he's new to something, he'll just try to get you to do it for him.
[44:59.360 --> 44:59.720]  Yeah.
[44:59.800 --> 45:01.520]  And we don't play that game very well.
[45:01.740 --> 45:03.100]  Yeah, we don't like to play that game.
[45:03.280 --> 45:04.340]  Tell me the clown, don't play that.
[45:04.340 --> 45:06.140]  Yeah, Ken's gonna hate our guts after this game.
[45:06.880 --> 45:07.540]  He's never gonna call her.
[45:07.700 --> 45:11.600]  He's actually, like, updating one of his cameras now on Cam Project, it appears.
[45:12.380 --> 45:15.320]  Yeah, I was thinking about updating my cam while I was up here, but...
[45:15.320 --> 45:18.440]  By the way, CamProject.net is just like a little thing.
[45:18.440 --> 45:21.430]  I've just been tinkering with building for a while now, and...
[45:22.300 --> 45:24.440]  It's gonna just get another project that...
[45:24.440 --> 45:27.540]  Yeah, like, I don't already have, like, 12 dozen of them already.
[45:28.200 --> 45:33.500]  Yeah, I was gonna make a comment, actually, on the software that you're displaying there to you, the management panel, is that what you call it?
[45:33.500 --> 45:35.480]  I haven't even shown you guys this yet, have I?
[45:35.580 --> 45:36.400]  The new one, right?
[45:36.600 --> 45:36.760]  Yeah.
[45:37.220 --> 45:41.680]  That is not publicly accessible in any way, shape, or form, just so everyone knows.
[45:41.680 --> 45:44.120]  Actually, this one will be soon.
[45:44.540 --> 45:46.440]  I'm talking about in use.
[45:47.140 --> 45:48.800]  But currently, yes, yes.
[45:48.960 --> 45:58.140]  This kind of item, actually, the specific one that I'm displaying now, is actually a heavily, heavily stripped down copy of one that I had been working on for a while.
[45:58.760 --> 46:04.360]  Basically, you'll see that I'm actually hiding the actual extension of every telephone number in this display.
[46:04.360 --> 46:08.780]  This is just so that some people have privacy who have called into our system.
[46:09.980 --> 46:13.400]  But I will be publishing the original source code to this.
[46:13.580 --> 46:15.500]  But it is for administration, is what I was stressing.
[46:15.500 --> 46:19.900]  It is for administration and basically anybody to be able to look through their logs.
[46:20.080 --> 46:25.820]  But, yes, only administrators should have access to something of this good of statistics.
[46:25.980 --> 46:27.380]  Yeah, you want to lock that down nice and tight.
[46:28.540 --> 46:29.840]  Yeah, we're really big about that.
[46:29.920 --> 46:32.140]  We don't want to give up anyone's privacy or their phone numbers.
[46:32.140 --> 46:37.500]  Even the assholes that call in, who are trolling us on the conference and just, you know, screwing off and whatnot.
[46:37.660 --> 46:40.820]  We're not interested in dropping their DID, their caller ID and whatnot.
[46:41.040 --> 46:42.280]  We'll buy in them, we'll block them, we'll talk.
[46:42.400 --> 46:44.580]  Only if they're real assholes, we might be out there.
[46:45.340 --> 46:46.940]  Freedom of speech is big, you know.
[46:47.140 --> 46:47.980]  It's big for us.
[46:48.100 --> 46:48.640]  Big for me.
[46:49.460 --> 46:51.580]  And maybe if it's the PLA, we'll drop all their docs.
[46:51.600 --> 46:52.980]  Freedom of speech and privacy.
[46:53.420 --> 46:53.720]  No.
[46:54.500 --> 46:55.060]  Just kidding.
[46:55.920 --> 46:58.840]  Yeah, I think that privacy should count just as much as freedom.
[47:07.780 --> 47:08.600]  I have not.
[47:08.860 --> 47:09.620]  I haven't either.
[47:10.240 --> 47:11.340]  A lot of those...
[47:11.340 --> 47:12.120]  Actually, I have a little bit.
[47:12.120 --> 47:15.940]  I've tinkered with some of the stuff that's involved in SIP, but that's been about it.
[47:16.400 --> 47:16.900]  Jay Falk and this.
[47:16.900 --> 47:17.960]  That goes back to like the...
[47:17.960 --> 47:18.740]  Oh, yeah.
[47:19.020 --> 47:20.000]  I mean, I played a little...
[47:20.000 --> 47:23.680]  I've been trying to piece it all together, you know, the last few months.
[47:23.960 --> 47:24.100]  Yeah.
[47:24.380 --> 47:26.940]  No, you guys are giving panel tomorrow, right?
[47:26.940 --> 47:27.420]  That's the thing.
[47:27.540 --> 47:28.120]  It's like...
[47:28.640 --> 47:33.100]  Asterisk is a great software platform, but there's a lot of things that are still definitely work in progress.
[47:33.100 --> 47:41.680]  So, some of those other protocols and codecs for the Cisco stuff is not complete, like the skinny, the MCGP and all that.
[47:42.260 --> 47:43.520]  It's not really usable.
[47:43.760 --> 47:45.460]  It's insecure and it's...
[47:45.460 --> 47:45.860]  Also...
[47:45.860 --> 47:47.020]  The feature set's not there.
[47:47.240 --> 47:49.240]  It's a lot of that stuff you can't really use.
[47:49.240 --> 47:51.240]  Asterisk is constantly changing too.
[47:51.460 --> 47:51.600]  Yeah.
[47:51.900 --> 47:56.620]  Like 24-7, like every time you look around, Asterisk has changed.
[47:57.540 --> 48:01.860]  But anyway, they're signaling us to stop here, so we better finish up.
[48:02.080 --> 48:18.860]  I was talking to Slestak about this earlier, but I mean, it's not as bad nowadays, but I remember literally having a bug issue with Asterisk and then, you know, saying, well, I'll just pull down the latest, you know, subversion, you know, head or SV, or I think it was SV...
[48:18.860 --> 48:19.220]  CVS.
[48:19.360 --> 48:20.000]  CVS, thank you.
[48:20.640 --> 48:23.940]  And then pulling that down and be like, oh, crap, that totally fixed that bug.
[48:24.060 --> 48:26.660]  Oh, wait, now there's two f*cking more bugs to deal with.
[48:26.940 --> 48:27.140]  Yeah.
[48:27.140 --> 48:28.340]  And just dealing with that all the time.
[48:28.520 --> 48:28.860]  Yeah.
[48:28.920 --> 48:29.140]  All the time.
[48:29.140 --> 48:30.820]  And, you know, I still see even that occasionally.
[48:31.080 --> 48:32.500]  Yeah, it's like a game of chess, man.
[48:32.760 --> 48:33.120]  It's awesome.
[48:33.120 --> 48:40.480]  I've done a lot of commercial installations for Asterisk, you know, taking out old people, old Nortel systems and replacing them with Asterisk voice over IP systems.
[48:40.480 --> 48:50.180]  And I've had difficulties with their code, even their release stuff, where there's a little bug and I have to work with Digium and their open source people and their commercial people to get them to fix stuff.
[48:50.700 --> 48:57.800]  Because, I mean, their software's great, but there's still a lot of flaws that they have to work out in commercial environments or to be extra stable and compatible and, you know.
[48:57.960 --> 49:00.380]  Is it superior to the other ones?
[49:01.960 --> 49:09.840]  Yeah, there are other open source PBX platforms that are out there like Trixbox and others.
[49:10.060 --> 49:11.460]  Well, Trixbox is based off Asterisk, actually.
[49:11.800 --> 49:11.820]  Yeah.
[49:12.420 --> 49:14.620]  I'm not really fond of any of the other ones.
[49:14.840 --> 49:20.620]  The only ones I've been able to use commercially and successfully just fooling around privately in experimentation is Asterisk.
[49:20.880 --> 49:21.140]  Yeah.
[49:21.160 --> 49:24.140]  The support's there and it's constantly changing to get fixed and better.
[49:24.460 --> 49:24.600]  Yeah.
[49:24.780 --> 49:34.880]  From anybody who can code from their standpoint, it is the most malleable PBX that I've ever seen, personally.
[49:35.980 --> 49:37.600]  And there's a ton of support for it there.
[49:37.900 --> 49:38.100]  Oh, yeah.
[49:38.260 --> 49:41.900]  There's us on IRC.2600.net and then there's pound asterisk on Freenode.
[49:42.980 --> 49:43.340]  And...
[49:43.820 --> 49:44.180]  Thanks.
[49:44.760 --> 49:44.880]  Yep.
[49:46.060 --> 49:50.900]  So there's a lot of people chatting about it and talking about it and are willing to participate and give support for it.
[49:51.040 --> 49:53.840]  And then you can also get commercial support for Asterisk as well.
[49:54.040 --> 49:55.180]  So, not to plug those guys.
[49:55.360 --> 49:56.020]  They don't need any money.
[49:56.080 --> 49:58.940]  We're actually vip-info.org also.
[49:59.040 --> 49:59.140]  Yeah.
[49:59.340 --> 50:01.140]  It's been around for a really long time.
[50:01.140 --> 50:05.200]  My number one resource for any problem with Asterisk has been...
[50:05.200 --> 50:15.720]  There's a lot of great config examples and lists of providers in terms of DIDs and ATAs and equipment and outbound trunks, all that stuff.
[50:16.340 --> 50:16.740]  So...
[50:17.480 --> 50:18.160]  It is.
[50:18.300 --> 50:18.580]  It's true.
[50:18.780 --> 50:20.440]  Although, sometimes it comes back around too though.
[50:20.540 --> 50:23.160]  Because a lot of times things it seems like to me like fall off.
[50:23.680 --> 50:27.380]  And then you go back there like we were just talking about that earlier with something like...
[50:27.380 --> 50:28.840]  All of a sudden it's back.
[50:29.180 --> 50:29.500]  You know?
[50:29.740 --> 50:30.500]  It's just weird.
[50:30.920 --> 50:31.320]  But...
[50:31.320 --> 50:31.620]  Yeah, no.
[50:31.640 --> 50:32.220]  I hear what you're saying.
[50:32.240 --> 50:33.340]  It does get outdated.
[50:33.500 --> 50:34.180]  And it's kind of like...
[50:34.180 --> 50:35.220]  You know, it's a wiki basically.
[50:36.060 --> 50:36.460]  So...
[50:36.460 --> 50:39.040]  It's kind of community generated, you know?
[50:39.460 --> 50:39.740]  Mm-hmm.
[50:39.780 --> 50:40.800]  It's good stuff still.
[50:41.060 --> 50:44.920]  Like in some of the old stuff actually kind of leads you to maybe solve a newer problem even.
[50:44.920 --> 50:45.300]  But...
[50:45.300 --> 50:45.420]  You know?
[50:46.880 --> 50:47.340]  But...
[50:47.770 --> 50:48.300]  Anything else?
[50:48.460 --> 50:49.340]  Anybody want to ask?
[50:53.510 --> 50:54.110]  What's that?
[50:56.630 --> 50:58.270]  Which one of us does the VMS stuff?
[50:58.930 --> 50:59.590]  Right here.
[50:59.890 --> 50:59.950]  Yeah.
[51:00.870 --> 51:01.350]  The beef.
[51:01.710 --> 51:02.810]  That weirdo on the end.
[51:03.330 --> 51:03.690]  Yeah.
[51:03.730 --> 51:04.970]  And I also do...
[51:04.970 --> 51:06.290]  Well, actually me and Jay...
[51:06.290 --> 51:07.550]  Oh, we all do weird shit.
[51:07.690 --> 51:08.090]  Who's kidding?
[51:08.390 --> 51:09.110]  We do.
[51:10.350 --> 51:10.810]  Um...
[51:10.810 --> 51:12.250]  We do the VMS stuff.
[51:12.250 --> 51:14.730]  And me and Jay Thalking are giving a talk tomorrow.
[51:15.990 --> 51:16.470]  Uh...
[51:16.470 --> 51:24.970]  It's gonna have a lot to do with X.25 networks and using VoIP and connecting and using modems and it's gonna be, I think, really interesting.
[51:24.970 --> 51:27.250]  Are you gonna be showing off iWar tomorrow by chance?
[51:27.770 --> 51:28.250]  Briefly.
[51:28.550 --> 51:28.670]  Yeah.
[51:28.950 --> 51:29.030]  Yeah.
[51:29.250 --> 51:29.730]  Just...
[51:29.730 --> 51:30.250]  I mean...
[51:30.250 --> 51:31.310]  90% of it, maybe?
[51:31.650 --> 51:31.930]  Thereabouts?
[51:32.590 --> 51:32.950]  Um...
[51:32.950 --> 51:33.650]  Just briefly.
[51:33.870 --> 51:35.370]  Just leave a war dial in the whole talk.
[51:35.650 --> 51:37.090]  I think, yeah, we'll just have it on the screen.
[51:37.350 --> 51:37.550]  Just...
[51:37.550 --> 51:37.710]  Yeah.
[51:37.830 --> 51:38.210]  Just go.
[51:38.450 --> 51:38.870]  What do you think?
[51:39.130 --> 51:41.530]  China, Iran...
[51:41.530 --> 51:42.630]  I think that's a bad idea.
[51:42.710 --> 51:43.270]  I thought you were getting some cool stuff from Iran.
[51:43.910 --> 51:45.370]  No, actually we weren't getting any...
[51:45.370 --> 51:46.470]  We did stuff from Iran.
[51:46.690 --> 51:47.650]  No, we were pulling all the stuff from Iran.
[51:47.650 --> 51:48.910]  How much you call it the fax machine?
[51:49.150 --> 51:49.210]  Oh, man.
[51:49.350 --> 51:49.890]  Cool stuff.
[51:50.530 --> 51:52.730]  I'm sure I could fax some fun stuff to Iran.
[51:52.730 --> 51:55.070]  Is that the Hacking International Network?
[51:55.250 --> 51:56.010]  Yes, that is correct.
[51:56.130 --> 51:56.190]  That's correct.
[51:56.190 --> 51:57.910]  Hacking International Network through VoIP.
[51:58.190 --> 52:00.790]  Yeah, and it's always fun to listen to you guys chat about it and talk about it.
[52:00.830 --> 52:01.190]  Yeah.
[52:01.530 --> 52:01.730]  Oh, yeah.
[52:01.730 --> 52:12.930]  See, pretty much between us, me and Jay Falcon, like when we sit around and we're talking about, hey man, what's a DNIC for, you know, INET and India and everybody else around us.
[52:13.090 --> 52:14.250]  We're like such dorks.
[52:14.490 --> 52:17.010]  They're like, what the hell are you guys talking about?
[52:17.130 --> 52:18.250]  We're like, God, you gotta try this.
[52:18.250 --> 52:25.290]  Yeah, if there's anything that you're gonna take from Telephreak, if you ever join the conference, is that there's generally some interesting conversation going on.
[52:25.530 --> 52:33.230]  Even if not everybody is talking, you can generally get a couple of really weird people on there talking about some really interesting stuff.
[52:33.490 --> 52:33.850]  Always.
[52:34.710 --> 52:35.130]  Tom.
[52:35.310 --> 52:36.490]  I got a question.
[52:49.630 --> 52:50.990]  Yes, it is.
[52:51.930 --> 52:52.630]  Oh, man.
[52:53.150 --> 52:53.490]  Oops.
[52:55.490 --> 53:15.110]  Well, if you're trying to brute force a pen to dial out or whatnot, typically what people do, and I think Jay Falcon, you can back me up on this, is you'll set up iWAR to just call the same phone number and repeatedly try pens and then try to dial out and get a carrier on the other side so that you'd have a way of knowing that the pen was correct or not.
[53:15.110 --> 53:24.510]  Basically, what you'd have to do in iWAR would be to, like, set up IAX2 so you can listen through your headset, your iPhone, or whatever.
[53:24.770 --> 53:26.870]  Well, actually, I was thinking about through a modem in that way.
[53:27.050 --> 53:29.230]  But now, a voicemail...
[53:29.230 --> 53:29.390]  The problem is the response.
[53:29.770 --> 53:30.470]  That's the thing.
[53:36.790 --> 53:40.970]  Well, of course, you'd run iWAR as many instances as you want.
[53:40.970 --> 53:43.310]  I mean, there...
[53:44.270 --> 53:46.130]  Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem to do.
[53:46.310 --> 53:53.810]  I mean, but it's not threaded to speak that you could just start at one instance of iWAR and have it spawn off 4,000 processes trying to do it.
[53:53.910 --> 54:00.090]  So you would have to, you know, throw it in the background and just make, I don't know, a script file to just go through and do it for you.
[54:01.170 --> 54:01.530]  Yeah.
[54:01.690 --> 54:04.290]  Also, you guys can bug us on these questions tomorrow.
[54:04.530 --> 54:05.970]  Like, we're going to be here all week, right?
[54:06.350 --> 54:06.850]  Oh, yeah.
[54:07.190 --> 54:07.290]  Yeah.
[54:07.630 --> 54:07.950]  Yeah.
[54:07.950 --> 54:13.770]  Yeah, you can catch us on 2600.net, the IRC network, or just call into the bridge, or just come by the table.
[54:13.830 --> 54:15.990]  Yeah, pound and Telephreak on IRC.2600.net.
[54:17.030 --> 54:20.510]  Head up telephreak.org if you just want to get in contact with us.
[54:21.290 --> 54:22.590]  And that's pretty much it.
[54:22.630 --> 54:24.830]  Yeah, get your free phone calls where you can get them.
[54:25.290 --> 54:25.370]  Yeah.
[54:25.790 --> 54:28.090]  Yeah, we've got plenty of money in there for now, so...
[54:29.710 --> 54:30.070]  No.
[54:32.370 --> 54:33.790]  If you pay for it, yes.
[54:34.310 --> 54:35.610]  If you're going to sit at the table.
[54:37.150 --> 54:37.510]  Nice.
[54:42.390 --> 54:43.250]  Make pretty towns.
[54:44.430 --> 54:44.890]  All right.
[54:45.010 --> 54:45.290]  Thank you.
[54:45.490 --> 54:46.550]  Well, it kind of looks like we might be done.
[54:46.710 --> 54:47.430]  Thank you very much.
[54:47.790 --> 54:48.630]  Yeah, thank you.
[54:48.630 --> 54:48.670]  Thank you.