[00:00.310 --> 00:01.570] Whoa! [01:03.380 --> 01:16.300] If we could set this in the middle, and then what we'll do is, this is just going to be for him, and we'll take that mic off for you, and then this is for the video, so this has to kind of be close to both of you. [01:17.120 --> 01:21.860] And then, if you don't want to be talking in his, you can just use that one. [01:25.700 --> 01:26.980] Sarah Jay, it's morning! [01:31.020 --> 01:32.120] This isn't my glass. [01:32.860 --> 01:33.660] That's my glass. [01:33.660 --> 01:36.600] You might have something even better than what you're talking now. [01:37.020 --> 01:37.580] Yeah. [01:39.640 --> 01:43.640] Sell various bacteria that has been named by other people. [01:44.180 --> 01:46.140] Take the free ham radio exams. [01:46.400 --> 01:54.020] Ah, free ham radio exams Sunday at 10am till 1pm in the Zurich room on the 6th floor. [01:55.320 --> 01:56.280] Sunday, Sunday. [01:56.520 --> 01:57.060] I didn't say Saturday. [01:57.220 --> 01:58.520] Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. [01:58.640 --> 01:59.800] Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. [02:00.040 --> 02:00.440] Truckzilla. [02:00.740 --> 02:01.120] 6th floor. [02:01.120 --> 02:01.440] Yeah. [02:05.840 --> 02:08.160] So, this is the reprimand panel. [02:08.360 --> 02:12.520] A little e-zine that could, at times could not, but... [02:16.240 --> 02:16.720] First... [02:16.720 --> 02:19.160] Not that I can see anything with these lights on. [02:19.240 --> 02:19.680] My God. [02:21.300 --> 02:25.520] A quick show of hands, outside of the usual suspects, you know who you are. [02:25.520 --> 02:29.320] How many people have actually seen reprimand? [02:29.760 --> 02:31.200] Alright, you can fake it if you want. [02:31.380 --> 02:31.580] That's cool. [02:33.720 --> 02:35.520] Well, we know about you, Sergey. [02:35.700 --> 02:36.660] Alright, so did you have? [02:38.220 --> 02:38.620] Alright. [02:39.060 --> 02:41.060] Is there anyone from overseas? [02:42.980 --> 02:45.400] No, well, no, Sergey, we know you're from another planet. [02:46.360 --> 02:47.860] I like to put on my orange. [02:50.000 --> 02:51.180] The Venusian. [02:52.520 --> 02:53.160] Um... [02:53.160 --> 02:53.500] Alright. [02:54.580 --> 02:56.080] No one from overseas, huh? [02:56.440 --> 02:57.180] They're around somewhere. [02:58.160 --> 02:58.800] Overseas? [02:59.000 --> 02:59.980] Yeah, possibly. [03:00.340 --> 03:07.000] The idea for reprimand came about years ago, because I felt that we needed a forum. [03:08.200 --> 03:17.220] There were a lot of cultural items that I don't think were really being picked on enough, to put it simply. [03:18.720 --> 03:22.300] So, I had an idea, I approached Leo with it, and I said, look. [03:22.440 --> 03:30.220] I said, why don't we have an e-zine, and we'll combine regular social commentary, something that wasn't really being done much. [03:30.220 --> 03:32.320] You know, mine, this is six years ago. [03:33.240 --> 03:39.580] You know, you had the political stances people were taking, but, you know, I had to go after the American people directly. [03:39.920 --> 03:43.520] Let's face it, the American people are an animal, they need a stick in their cage. [03:45.800 --> 03:48.380] So, I approached Leo and he said, okay, cool. [03:48.620 --> 03:56.740] And we would go and put the hacker world, what we knew, along with some other experiences that we've had. [03:58.100 --> 04:00.040] And, oh, there were some experiences. [04:02.220 --> 04:03.700] One of the ones... [04:04.740 --> 04:06.860] No, no, is anyone here from Jersey? [04:08.000 --> 04:09.000] All right, we're in Jersey. [04:09.560 --> 04:10.240] East front. [04:10.460 --> 04:11.180] Oh, I'm sorry. [04:12.280 --> 04:12.740] Where are you? [04:14.500 --> 04:16.140] See, I'm from Morris County. [04:16.620 --> 04:18.580] You're familiar with, we're in Jersey? [04:20.400 --> 04:25.960] Leo and I had a decision one day to go invade Demon's Alley. [04:25.960 --> 04:27.960] Also known as New City Road. [04:28.380 --> 04:31.960] Yeah, it's out in West Milford off of Route 23. [04:32.100 --> 04:33.160] Now, it's not there anymore. [04:33.300 --> 04:34.700] The whole neighborhood's been torn down. [04:35.640 --> 04:37.960] But the story was that... [04:39.600 --> 04:41.980] This is really far-fetched, I think. [04:44.200 --> 04:45.880] Something bad happened. [04:46.120 --> 04:48.080] I mean, bad, whatever the hell it was supposed to be. [04:48.620 --> 04:52.420] And the people literally just left with the shirts on their backs. [04:53.780 --> 04:55.920] So, Leo said, I've got to see this. [04:56.000 --> 04:56.680] And we went up. [04:57.520 --> 04:59.360] And the whole neighborhood... [04:59.360 --> 05:00.200] No kidding. [05:00.380 --> 05:01.260] It was houses. [05:01.840 --> 05:05.220] But if you went inside, it looked like someone had taken a snapshot of the place. [05:06.140 --> 05:09.320] Furniture, clothing, mail was left behind. [05:09.580 --> 05:10.940] This is some weird shit. [05:11.080 --> 05:12.420] We've got to get a picture of this. [05:12.420 --> 05:15.140] Toys were lots in the backyards, like... [05:15.140 --> 05:16.400] Yeah, lawn mowers. [05:17.190 --> 05:21.060] These people literally just up and split with everything behind. [05:23.120 --> 05:25.720] So, we were sneaking around in these yards. [05:26.340 --> 05:28.220] And this is perfect. [05:28.420 --> 05:30.720] On the side yard, there was a window that was open. [05:31.960 --> 05:37.420] Just as I climbed up to it, a guy in a truck from the Newark watershed pulled up. [05:39.180 --> 05:40.500] Oh, he wasn't happy. [05:41.960 --> 05:44.900] So, he got out and he was so angry with us. [05:44.980 --> 05:48.080] He wouldn't even refer to Weird New Jersey as Weird New Jersey. [05:48.240 --> 05:51.240] He called it, quote, that damn magazine, end quote. [05:52.680 --> 05:54.680] Now, at first, I didn't know who this guy was. [05:54.680 --> 05:56.620] I thought he was just some little rent-a-cop. [05:56.620 --> 05:59.060] Until I saw the Beretta on the side. [05:59.360 --> 06:00.720] He had a Beretta 92. [06:02.060 --> 06:05.460] And, ever so often, we'd see the hand go down. [06:06.440 --> 06:08.400] So, we got the point. [06:09.660 --> 06:10.660] We left. [06:11.780 --> 06:15.760] About two or three months later, we were investigating Clinton Road. [06:15.980 --> 06:18.080] That's farther up on Route 23. [06:18.620 --> 06:23.780] Runs from Douglas West Milford out to Hewitt, New York. [06:25.080 --> 06:28.560] We were up by the watershed up there. [06:29.220 --> 06:30.680] And guess who caught us again? [06:31.980 --> 06:34.260] Literally out in the middle of the street, the guy pulled up. [06:35.100 --> 06:36.460] His hand on the gun again. [06:36.680 --> 06:38.760] And he, hey, didn't I catch you guys before? [06:40.480 --> 06:42.800] And I tried to get my way to him. [06:42.900 --> 06:43.300] I said no. [06:43.400 --> 06:44.460] And he put his hand on the gun again. [06:46.100 --> 06:50.380] We had to leave with threats of fines, tickets, and possibly being arrested. [06:51.740 --> 06:57.160] So, by then we had gotten the bug for going out and urban exploring. [06:57.720 --> 07:03.180] One other thing about T-man's alley is a lot of the windows were boarded up. [07:03.660 --> 07:09.160] But they were painted with a, as if they had a black curtain with a drawstring on them. [07:09.240 --> 07:09.540] Oh, yeah. [07:09.540 --> 07:12.820] And these were like 80 or 90% of the windows were painted this way. [07:13.480 --> 07:19.540] And so, like, none of us can figure out what happened in that area. [07:20.380 --> 07:24.580] Because it got bought out by the water reservoir. [07:24.940 --> 07:25.620] Who owns that? [07:25.740 --> 07:27.480] New York Watershed. [07:27.480 --> 07:32.000] And so, they closed down the area. [07:32.180 --> 07:35.180] But yet nothing was, like, everything was untouched. [07:35.400 --> 07:38.000] So, it does look like somebody just got up and left. [07:38.280 --> 07:43.880] But we couldn't find any logical explanation for why so many people would leave. [07:43.880 --> 07:45.640] And then the houses would be boarded up. [07:46.440 --> 07:49.540] And not just boarded up, but have those things painted on the windows. [07:49.540 --> 07:53.780] Like, that's too much of an effort for something so simple. [07:53.940 --> 07:59.040] If it was an accident that happened, maybe some gas cloud, people would have come back eventually. [07:59.480 --> 08:04.540] So, it seems like it was like a literally, like, leave now and never come back type of thing. [08:04.740 --> 08:11.840] But, logically, nothing makes sense in that situation. [08:11.840 --> 08:22.000] We also had this wonderful gentleman tell us that the people were bought out by the state. [08:22.220 --> 08:23.540] And that's why they moved. [08:24.000 --> 08:28.860] But if you're in a situation like that, by law, you're given 30 days. [08:29.580 --> 08:31.420] Why would you leave all your stuff behind? [08:32.920 --> 08:37.000] So, you know, something really stunk with the area. [08:39.140 --> 08:42.340] We tried doing more research into what we could find about it. [08:42.740 --> 08:48.520] And the story, and if you're from Jersey, you'll know this one, a cult moved into the area. [08:49.080 --> 08:49.660] Satanic cult? [08:49.760 --> 08:51.040] It's just like, you know, they always say the clan. [08:51.180 --> 08:52.380] It's not one guy, it's all of them. [08:52.440 --> 08:54.260] It's the clan, out in the woods. [08:54.620 --> 08:57.820] You know, drunk teenagers by the railroad tracks, you know. [08:58.940 --> 09:02.180] So, we went back up there again going through it. [09:02.240 --> 09:05.260] And on our second trip through, we noticed they knocked some of the houses down. [09:06.060 --> 09:09.040] Every so often, one house would mysteriously burn. [09:09.840 --> 09:11.380] You know, it was just all this weird stuff. [09:11.480 --> 09:12.720] We could never figure out what happened. [09:15.180 --> 09:18.660] But, there's something I've got up on, reprimand that one up today. [09:18.960 --> 09:19.580] Thank you, Sergey. [09:23.060 --> 09:30.140] It's, I wouldn't really say a far-fetched theory, but it, I think it bears looking into further. [09:31.640 --> 09:40.440] There was, um, talk, you know, I guess, I don't know if any of you have heard about the Montauk project, where it was the, you know, but the time travel experiments and all that. [09:41.840 --> 09:49.640] I had someone who, uh, he was out in Brooklyn, who claimed that he had relatives who worked on it. [09:49.640 --> 09:52.860] And he said it was moved out to Jersey. [09:53.260 --> 09:56.600] The only place out there that could really hold this is Picatinny Arsenal. [09:58.300 --> 10:02.540] And Picatinny Arsenal, strangely, is just south of Demon's Alley. [10:03.020 --> 10:10.880] So, we were starting to think that maybe it's just some cover story for whatever, you know, kind of shenanigans are pulling inside of the place. [10:11.660 --> 10:14.740] One time, uh, again, Sergey. [10:15.980 --> 10:17.220] Leo's better half. [10:20.480 --> 10:22.260] He came out to visit one day. [10:22.700 --> 10:25.380] And we got in the car. [10:25.540 --> 10:29.280] We were driving around by, uh, Picatinny Arsenal. [10:29.540 --> 10:30.900] There's some back roads you can take. [10:31.260 --> 10:33.380] Um, Lake Denmark Road is one of them. [10:33.820 --> 10:37.240] And we were out, and we got followed by trucks. [10:38.400 --> 10:40.140] Unmarked government trucks. [10:40.140 --> 10:41.540] And we could tell the guys were in fatigue. [10:41.700 --> 10:43.860] And they were taking a pretty big interest into what we were doing. [10:45.600 --> 10:51.740] We came back around, and we noticed that there were other people now that were starting to come out, and they blocked off under the gates. [10:52.740 --> 10:57.280] So, and that, you know, I'm all in favor of mayhem, but it has to be controlled. [10:58.440 --> 11:01.340] That was when I said, look, we gotta get the hell out of here, man. [11:01.440 --> 11:01.980] Something's wrong. [11:03.160 --> 11:15.080] Not too long after, um, I read something online about Picatinny, and they said it was something about, um, it's, it's called a DUM base. [11:15.080 --> 11:16.960] It stands for a deep underground military base. [11:17.600 --> 11:22.280] And there really is, um, something you can see off of Route 15. [11:22.300 --> 11:26.760] You can see where there's an actual tunnel that comes out, and you'll see the ground swell popping out. [11:28.080 --> 11:32.700] And the, the story is that they're supposed to have done, uh, experiments and all this. [11:33.180 --> 11:38.960] Now, I'm going to school out in Jersey right now, and they were advertising on campus for guinea pigs for behavioral therapy. [11:40.860 --> 11:43.280] Yeah, they wanted guinea pigs. [11:44.540 --> 11:49.680] And, you know, so, yeah, so we decided, all right, you know, we're gonna leave that one alone. [11:52.420 --> 11:54.660] But we couldn't leave well enough alone. [11:55.120 --> 12:00.760] So, we were in, uh, another time, we were in Harrisburg. [12:00.960 --> 12:02.240] Never mind what we were doing. [12:02.580 --> 12:05.000] We didn't know if the statute of limitations ran out or not yet. [12:06.480 --> 12:14.160] And I mentioned, um, you know, and I think some of you know, I've talked about, um, about, you know, the New World Order and the black helicopters and all that. [12:14.160 --> 12:26.340] And, and I mentioned how Fort Indiantown Gap has a Rex 84 base where the story is that, um, people are supposed to be, you know, they're going to be relocation camps. [12:27.460 --> 12:29.820] So, we pulled in to go see what was going on. [12:31.620 --> 12:35.220] And, well, I don't even think you were completely out of the car yet. [12:35.540 --> 12:37.160] One of those cops cops... [12:37.160 --> 12:38.900] Yeah, actually, yeah, it was just, like, halfway through. [12:38.900 --> 12:42.180] Yeah, it just got out and a cop pulled up. [12:43.440 --> 12:46.280] And for someone who could do damage to us, he was a nice guy. [12:48.160 --> 12:50.660] And he asked us what we were doing. [12:51.000 --> 12:54.520] So, we told him, well, we were just passing through, you know, we've seen the place a number of times. [12:54.540 --> 12:55.920] We wanted to see what was going on. [12:56.280 --> 13:00.920] I said, ah, well, it stretches back to the mountains and it's two counties long and all that. [13:01.140 --> 13:02.320] It was the scenic tour? [13:02.520 --> 13:04.620] Yeah, yeah, he was really nice to us. [13:05.740 --> 13:16.400] As soon as he left, a white Dodge Neon came out of some of the side streets on the base and followed us out of the base up onto Route 81 north and followed us for about half an hour to 45 minutes. [13:18.260 --> 13:22.380] And I looked at him and said, man, how many FED files do you think we're going to be on this month? [13:26.880 --> 13:35.200] I'm sure there were some, you know, and if there's any truth to about Picatinny and all that, okay, so we get an additional three months out of the deal. [13:37.680 --> 13:44.100] So, you know, now we really had this urge for more urban exploring. [13:44.400 --> 13:47.520] And I said, man, you know, we're going to have to start chronicling all this. [13:47.620 --> 13:51.140] So this is where all of our urban exploration things came from. [13:52.060 --> 13:55.040] So this is about the time I got blown on the bridge. [13:56.220 --> 13:59.460] Almost blown off because I was doing something silly. [14:01.140 --> 14:08.280] We were exploring some abandoned railroad tracks and we climbed down into this deep bridge. [14:08.520 --> 14:12.260] It's the one that spans Route 80 in Warren County. [14:12.560 --> 14:15.380] And when it was built, it was the largest concrete structure in the world. [14:15.980 --> 14:17.900] So to us that meant, ooh, playground. [14:19.080 --> 14:25.140] So we climbed down and it was a really nasty day, just raw, you know. [14:26.200 --> 14:29.100] And, I know, Sergey, I think you were there for that, weren't you? [14:29.560 --> 14:30.580] You know, for that time? [14:31.600 --> 14:34.000] We were getting pictures and we thought, oh, this would be great. [14:34.160 --> 14:38.000] We're going to put this up and we'll take a few hours to cover the bridge thoroughly. [14:39.220 --> 14:42.960] So the way the bridge is, you've got little arches and you can climb through them. [14:44.560 --> 14:47.560] And, you know, as you can tell, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm not a big guy. [14:48.140 --> 14:50.620] I climbed to the edge because I wanted to see what was over. [14:50.780 --> 14:55.760] And a gust of wind came through that actually lifted me up and almost blew me 200 feet to the rocks below. [14:57.100 --> 14:58.960] I almost lost my binoculars that day. [14:59.080 --> 15:01.360] I had a cap blowing out in the Delaware River somewhere. [15:02.060 --> 15:03.360] And this was starting to go. [15:03.480 --> 15:06.960] There was Sergey grabbing on to me because I'm starting to get blown out of the arch. [15:08.180 --> 15:11.760] And very calmly he looked and said, are you going to write about this? [15:12.260 --> 15:13.220] I said, well, man, of course. [15:13.780 --> 15:17.440] You know, there's no point of getting good and cranked up if you're not going to do something about it. [15:18.480 --> 15:24.320] You know, so, more and more things were happening. [15:24.580 --> 15:32.040] So, you know, got this and my growing disgust with Americans was getting it this time. [15:32.280 --> 15:36.340] I don't like how we've gotten away from arts and literature. [15:36.680 --> 15:41.740] We're the only country in the world that could have given the world Britney Spears and not seen the joke. [15:43.280 --> 15:45.600] You know, so, I had to keep going. [15:46.060 --> 15:52.720] So, I told Leo, I said, well, okay, instead of our occasional sporadic updates, let's do it, you know, every three months or so. [15:52.820 --> 15:57.240] Because by then it will give us enough time to compile and if people want to send us in articles, you know, we can put that up. [15:57.240 --> 16:03.060] And we were getting our own things of, you know, of hacking related things. [16:03.940 --> 16:09.180] My background, years ago, I was in LOS, way back when, if you've ever heard of it. [16:10.180 --> 16:12.820] And I wanted to continue the tradition. [16:13.720 --> 16:17.260] So, man, we've got to get technology out. [16:18.580 --> 16:19.240] What's LOS? [16:19.640 --> 16:20.160] What's what? [16:20.380 --> 16:21.040] What's LOS? [16:21.220 --> 16:23.960] LOS stood for the Losers Only Society. [16:23.960 --> 16:27.580] This was back in 90, I was asked to join. [16:27.920 --> 16:32.200] We were the Hawks Nest BBS, back out in Jersey. [16:32.420 --> 16:34.700] That was, that was our little one to do. [16:35.220 --> 16:38.480] And that was a hacking group that we had was LOS. [16:41.180 --> 16:45.020] So, Leo said, okay, well, every three months is cool. [16:45.840 --> 16:49.300] But now came the problem with getting him to stay awake. [16:49.300 --> 16:50.000] Oh, God. [16:50.540 --> 17:01.040] Yeah, basically, usually when I go to visit Gonzo to update the website, I have to leave really early for my house. [17:01.160 --> 17:04.500] So, the best way to do that is to not go to sleep at all. [17:04.720 --> 17:08.900] So, when I get to New Jersey, I end up not being awake at all. [17:09.160 --> 17:12.980] And at some point, you know, like falling into a deep sleep. [17:13.700 --> 17:14.580] So, we tried... [17:14.660 --> 17:15.620] Man, that was comatose. [17:15.840 --> 17:16.040] God. [17:16.040 --> 17:18.740] I woke up six years later, it's not much of a deal. [17:18.760 --> 17:19.900] See, this is true one time. [17:21.200 --> 17:21.840] We left... [17:22.200 --> 17:23.900] I picked him up at the Dover train station. [17:24.360 --> 17:25.000] And I'm not kidding. [17:25.100 --> 17:28.260] By the time we were up on Route 80, he was actually slumped over. [17:28.500 --> 17:33.900] And I was scared to death that a state trooper was going to see me and pull me up, thinking I killed somebody who was looking to dispose of the body. [17:34.220 --> 17:36.180] Come on, you always put those in the backseat. [17:36.340 --> 17:37.300] No, those are... [17:37.300 --> 17:39.000] That's where the prostitutes go. [17:39.040 --> 17:40.920] You never gave me back my kidney, by the way. [17:41.060 --> 17:41.720] I still need... [17:41.720 --> 17:42.960] Yeah, it's a rant. [17:43.780 --> 17:47.960] But, so what happened is that we tried to remedy this with various legal... [17:48.940 --> 17:50.800] Well, not all of them now, but substances. [17:52.420 --> 17:52.820] So... [17:52.820 --> 17:54.020] Wait, are there any feds? [17:54.080 --> 17:55.220] I can't see with these lights on. [17:55.340 --> 17:56.260] They're getting dirt on us. [17:56.480 --> 18:00.480] So, back when the federal was legal to sell, I bought a bunch. [18:00.720 --> 18:05.400] And I decided to stay awake by taking, I think it was four caffeine pills. [18:05.960 --> 18:08.700] It was Viverin, or Viverin? [18:09.140 --> 18:09.580] Viverin. [18:09.680 --> 18:10.100] Viverin. [18:10.240 --> 18:11.780] I'll see Viverin just to piss them off. [18:13.280 --> 18:14.340] So, four of those. [18:14.600 --> 18:17.720] I think two or three, stackers two, back when they had ephedra in it. [18:17.940 --> 18:22.600] I drank four liters of Mountain Dew, because I drank soda like it was out of my mind back then. [18:23.740 --> 18:24.140] Cups of coffee. [18:26.500 --> 18:27.440] Not on paper. [18:27.820 --> 18:28.080] Not on paper. [18:28.080 --> 18:28.620] Oh, that's true. [18:28.840 --> 18:34.160] And then I just, you know, just for kicks, drank a bit of coffee and tea. [18:34.560 --> 18:37.700] And so, I stayed awake during the car trip. [18:38.340 --> 18:43.680] But once I actually sat in front of the computer, I fell asleep for about two hours. [18:44.100 --> 18:45.400] And when I woke up was... [18:45.400 --> 18:47.560] Oh, and before I fell asleep, I drank a whole... [18:47.560 --> 18:50.680] I think it was two cans of Red Bull. [18:51.100 --> 18:52.100] My hands were shaking. [18:52.320 --> 18:53.140] Like, I was making Michael J. [18:53.280 --> 18:54.320] Fox jokes like... [18:54.320 --> 18:54.620] Oh, yeah. [18:54.800 --> 18:55.580] Like, he was next to me. [18:56.640 --> 18:56.960] Uh... [18:56.960 --> 19:01.440] And, like, I couldn't sit still, but I just passed out again. [19:01.760 --> 19:03.980] And to this day, we have no solution to the whole sleeping issue. [19:03.980 --> 19:04.360] That's right. [19:04.460 --> 19:05.560] You know, I don't have to apologize. [19:05.820 --> 19:06.720] That day, man, I was not joking. [19:06.780 --> 19:07.380] He was like this. [19:07.480 --> 19:08.000] And I told him something. [19:08.120 --> 19:10.540] You better not go to the bathroom, because you're going to jerk yourself off. [19:11.640 --> 19:11.960] And... [19:11.960 --> 19:12.580] There's a thought. [19:14.180 --> 19:14.800] And he just... [19:15.280 --> 19:16.140] Hey, hey, hey. [19:16.480 --> 19:16.800] Boom. [19:17.020 --> 19:17.420] And he's... [19:17.420 --> 19:19.480] Two hours later, then he's slumped over his... [19:19.480 --> 19:20.700] Oh, God, I got an ache in mind. [19:20.820 --> 19:22.020] I go, what did you expect, man? [19:22.040 --> 19:22.820] You slumped over. [19:22.940 --> 19:24.460] I thought somebody shot you from the driveway. [19:24.820 --> 19:26.120] Well, it was Lee Harvey Oswald. [19:26.380 --> 19:26.760] Oh, yeah. [19:26.760 --> 19:27.660] Shout out the magic bullet. [19:27.940 --> 19:28.820] We have the evidence. [19:29.400 --> 19:33.240] Well, where we do this, we do this from my house. [19:33.320 --> 19:34.900] I call it Stately Gonzo Manor. [19:35.320 --> 19:36.040] Which it is. [19:36.280 --> 19:39.140] You know, because I, you know, I've taken meticulous care of my lawn. [19:40.620 --> 19:43.480] So, I've got something there I call the war room. [19:44.260 --> 19:47.440] Where, well, I won't say everything that goes on. [19:49.780 --> 19:54.940] But, I set it up in such a way I've got one desk this way and another one will go this way. [19:55.120 --> 20:01.260] And I've got my soldering iron and different tools, police scanners, older ones, things like this. [20:02.520 --> 20:05.560] And I just happened to have made some room. [20:06.880 --> 20:07.340] And... [20:08.320 --> 20:09.140] God, when was that? [20:09.220 --> 20:13.080] I guess it was H2K, I think that was, when I got the transmitter. [20:14.120 --> 20:15.120] This is how... [20:15.120 --> 20:15.300] Yeah. [20:15.480 --> 20:18.120] This is how Free Radio Sardonica came about. [20:18.480 --> 20:26.680] There are no schedules, and I don't know what frequency we're going to use until we actually get it turned on that day and get the antenna out and all that. [20:28.400 --> 20:33.960] I was literally over here in the back room, and they were giving away a transmitter. [20:34.200 --> 20:39.080] And this was when, you know, there was some raffle, and they would read the number off your badge. [20:39.760 --> 20:41.820] And Bernie called out my number. [20:42.540 --> 20:44.140] And I went up and said, yeah, that's me. [20:44.200 --> 20:45.140] Are you serious? [20:45.380 --> 20:46.500] I said, man, I shit you not. [20:47.760 --> 20:50.880] So, now we had a whole new thing to get into. [20:51.100 --> 20:53.320] And, you know, I'd always been interested in radio anyway. [20:54.520 --> 20:58.040] Even at school, a couple semesters ago, I had a radio show. [20:58.300 --> 21:05.940] So, you know, I just wanted to keep going with the idea of journalism and broadcast and, you know, and keeping on. [21:07.720 --> 21:10.640] So, we looked at it one day and said, man, we've got a problem. [21:11.020 --> 21:12.520] We've got to do something about the antenna. [21:13.580 --> 21:20.160] Because we couldn't put it up on top of the house, because for what we wanted to do, it would be obvious. [21:20.540 --> 21:24.880] And we had, you know, we were constantly checking the window, because we had images of guys out in a truck, out in a truck. [21:25.700 --> 21:26.740] Okay, I think we got them. [21:27.320 --> 21:27.760] You know. [21:28.780 --> 21:30.880] So, we had an idea of what we would do. [21:31.440 --> 21:38.800] We ended up getting a weather balloon from a catalog, and we would put the coax on it for the antenna. [21:38.940 --> 21:41.980] We'd go outside, we'd run it up from the deck, do our thing, and we'd pull it back in. [21:43.520 --> 21:48.740] Until one day, Leo had to say, well, what's going to happen if someone on an ultralight hits it? [21:48.900 --> 21:50.120] Or a low-flying plane? [21:51.400 --> 21:55.120] So, and we had to go, and I've got a little blinking light now. [21:55.360 --> 22:00.380] So, in certain times, if you're in that part of Jersey, if you'll see a blinking light... [22:00.380 --> 22:01.660] That appears out of nowhere? [22:01.820 --> 22:02.980] Yeah, that'll be us. [22:03.000 --> 22:05.560] You'll see a light go up, it'll blink for a little while and go back down. [22:05.720 --> 22:06.180] That's us. [22:08.480 --> 22:16.200] So, we kept going, and one of the things that we're hoping to do in the future for this is that we want to do podcasts. [22:16.500 --> 22:19.700] Now, we're going to get out and we'll do our shows the way we always do. [22:20.780 --> 22:22.160] We want to answer emails. [22:22.460 --> 22:25.240] You know, we have heard from people all around the world. [22:25.660 --> 22:28.200] We heard from the DOD people on two occasions. [22:28.500 --> 22:29.880] I don't know, whatever the hell they wanted. [22:31.780 --> 22:33.600] And we thought, it would be good. [22:33.600 --> 22:39.140] All right, well, you can get this and, you know, put on your iPod or whatever and do your thing. [22:39.140 --> 22:41.480] So, we're shooting for that in the future. [22:42.920 --> 22:45.600] Now, in the meantime, I said... [22:47.320 --> 22:50.180] Did anyone here go to our last panel? [22:51.420 --> 22:52.780] Well, besides you, Murdoch. [22:53.020 --> 22:54.440] Oh, because you go to all my panels. [22:55.100 --> 22:56.360] You're a gonzo whore. [22:56.500 --> 22:57.780] You just paint me so well. [22:59.400 --> 22:59.880] Well... [22:59.880 --> 23:02.140] Actually, I think it's only because you like the checks. [23:02.380 --> 23:02.960] Yeah, that's why. [23:02.960 --> 23:03.160] Yeah. [23:04.040 --> 23:05.340] I just got to write down to the check. [23:05.500 --> 23:05.900] Oh, yeah. [23:06.920 --> 23:07.860] I can't let that track. [23:08.140 --> 23:08.620] Well, wait. [23:08.740 --> 23:08.980] Question? [23:14.340 --> 23:17.360] If I had to live that way, I would have done the same thing. [23:17.640 --> 23:18.920] He was in chronic pain. [23:19.780 --> 23:21.300] Life just wasn't fun anymore. [23:22.660 --> 23:23.340] You know? [23:23.580 --> 23:32.400] And the problem that I think we've got with that now, though, is for as complex as Hunter was as an individual. [23:32.920 --> 23:36.780] You know, he was naively romantic, but yet the littlest thing could set him off. [23:37.020 --> 23:37.160] You know? [23:37.860 --> 23:41.460] There's such a huge gap that's left in his wake. [23:41.460 --> 23:42.340] You know? [23:42.460 --> 23:45.760] And I'm afraid that the gonzo tradition might die out at some point. [23:46.300 --> 23:46.820] You know? [23:46.940 --> 23:48.940] And that was part of my thing. [23:49.100 --> 23:49.720] I said, well... [23:49.720 --> 23:52.780] Actually, Leo was the one who gave me the name of Gonzo. [23:52.960 --> 23:54.940] Because I was behaving so much like Hunter. [23:55.320 --> 23:56.320] Drawing your own conclusions. [23:58.260 --> 23:58.860] You know? [24:00.480 --> 24:04.780] And I thought, well, why not bring the gonzo approach to the hacking community? [24:04.860 --> 24:05.960] Because it hasn't been done. [24:06.120 --> 24:06.280] You know? [24:06.340 --> 24:08.600] Because it's been more clinical. [24:08.920 --> 24:09.160] You know? [24:09.220 --> 24:09.420] Okay. [24:09.480 --> 24:13.120] Well, hackers are guys who can't get laid and they wear black and they're sitting up all night. [24:13.120 --> 24:13.740] They're stinky. [24:14.040 --> 24:14.260] You know? [24:14.960 --> 24:16.880] Well, we all aspire to that. [24:16.960 --> 24:17.440] Well, yeah. [24:17.600 --> 24:17.880] But... [24:17.880 --> 24:18.440] You know? [24:18.560 --> 24:19.320] And I said, alright. [24:19.520 --> 24:25.760] Well, instead of doing that, you know, as Hunter did, and Tom Wolfe and Norman Mailer, you know, put yourself in the story. [24:26.220 --> 24:32.500] So, since I already had the hacking background, being in LOS back in 90, I said, well, I'm already here. [24:33.340 --> 24:35.780] Let's keep pushing and see how far things can go. [24:38.440 --> 24:40.360] So, I decided to branch out. [24:40.800 --> 24:42.300] I said, man, you know, I've got the war room. [24:42.440 --> 24:43.240] Let's build something. [24:44.100 --> 24:46.180] So, this is the potato cannon incident. [24:48.420 --> 24:51.400] Yes, Sergy, your favorite story, the potato cannon incident. [24:53.020 --> 24:55.180] I wanted to build a potato cannon. [24:55.260 --> 24:55.920] I had the plans. [24:56.120 --> 24:59.020] And I said, well, shit, man, if I'm going to build this, I want to make it a howitzer. [24:59.200 --> 25:00.680] So, I put a six-foot barrel on it. [25:01.980 --> 25:04.060] And I shot it off on the side of my deck. [25:06.020 --> 25:10.180] Now, if you're standing at my deck and you look straight ahead, you've got a line of trees and there's the next street. [25:11.520 --> 25:19.500] So, I went outside, really rammed it in, loaded up with about a can and a half a hair of spray, and watch it clear the trees. [25:19.860 --> 25:22.720] And then I heard, son of a bitch! [25:23.100 --> 25:24.420] I hit somebody's house. [25:25.040 --> 25:26.960] And the guy was out at the time. [25:27.660 --> 25:31.640] Now, I don't know if he was on the deck and maybe I scared him. [25:32.460 --> 25:34.340] You know, or what could have happened? [25:34.480 --> 25:36.400] Maybe he washed in the car and came up and hit the door. [25:37.680 --> 25:40.380] And so, right away, I panicked because it stirred him. [25:40.380 --> 25:43.260] You know, you can't sneeze without a cop coming down on you. [25:43.460 --> 25:45.660] Now, building a potato cannon is a felony. [25:46.440 --> 25:48.320] So, I did what any good person would do. [25:48.380 --> 25:50.580] I panicked and I threw it under the deck to dispose of it later. [25:51.620 --> 25:52.200] Which I did. [25:52.300 --> 25:53.060] I threw it in a river. [25:54.040 --> 25:57.120] And I went inside and I was praying to God I wouldn't see any cops. [25:57.120 --> 25:58.440] And I thought about this guy. [25:59.180 --> 26:01.420] Not that I damaged... [26:01.420 --> 26:05.060] I honestly didn't feel bad because I didn't intend to do it. [26:05.500 --> 26:06.140] You know, it was... [26:06.140 --> 26:07.780] You know, it was something else. [26:07.960 --> 26:10.920] I had an image of this guy talking to his wife. [26:11.280 --> 26:15.100] He's like, I'm telling you, a potato came over the trees and broke one of the lights. [26:17.940 --> 26:19.660] Now, then, you know, so... [26:19.660 --> 26:21.060] Okay, well, you know, we had that. [26:21.200 --> 26:22.280] So, I wanted to keep going with the building. [26:23.420 --> 26:26.180] So, along came the sonic cannon idea. [26:26.180 --> 26:26.540] Oh. [26:28.720 --> 26:31.800] And even now, you know, you liked it. [26:31.840 --> 26:32.540] It still works. [26:32.740 --> 26:32.900] Yeah. [26:33.080 --> 26:39.280] The only problem with it is, as we found out in our hotel room with everything closed, the doors and windows, it's the... [26:39.280 --> 26:42.320] One thing that does not work is the off button. [26:43.000 --> 26:47.680] Where we turned it off and pulled the trigger and went deaf for about 10, 30 seconds. [26:48.280 --> 26:49.460] What it was doing... [26:49.460 --> 26:55.060] When I made it, I was really proud of myself because I tried other projects and they failed. [26:55.540 --> 27:00.160] You know, I mean, these things tanked worse than, I think, the Working Girl TV series did. [27:01.560 --> 27:02.720] I built a cannon. [27:02.880 --> 27:04.060] I was like, wow, this is great. [27:04.800 --> 27:07.400] And I had everything on its lowest setting. [27:07.480 --> 27:09.140] Now, keep in mind, this is a sonic pistol. [27:09.140 --> 27:11.560] It emits a 130 decibel shock wave. [27:12.620 --> 27:14.480] You know, I mean, this thing can do some damage. [27:16.940 --> 27:18.480] So, I looked at it. [27:18.680 --> 27:22.440] Now, I have a leaning towards drinking Addison. [27:23.880 --> 27:29.800] I was out on my back one day and I had, I think, about two or three glasses and I accidentally shot myself with it. [27:30.920 --> 27:37.120] Because I was sitting back in my chair and I had my ring finger on the trigger and I zapped myself right in the side of the head. [27:37.600 --> 27:39.500] The pain was blinding. [27:39.680 --> 27:41.320] I mean, literally, everything went white. [27:42.600 --> 27:44.180] I had problems walking. [27:44.360 --> 27:45.120] I had nausea. [27:45.280 --> 27:46.300] But then I was happy. [27:46.460 --> 27:47.680] Sometimes, hey, it works. [27:49.580 --> 27:52.280] But then I was staggering around out there. [27:52.500 --> 27:56.320] You know, and I felt like it was Gary Busey the way I was staggering around. [27:57.620 --> 27:58.780] Bumping into the table. [27:59.000 --> 28:00.840] But, wow, my God, this works. [28:01.500 --> 28:02.780] So, we brought it in. [28:03.600 --> 28:05.740] We did, that was our last panel. [28:05.960 --> 28:07.820] It was about, it was about weird technology. [28:08.600 --> 28:12.780] So, we had a little lull when there was a problem with the laptop. [28:13.160 --> 28:16.700] So, someone asked me, you know, could you give us a demonstration? [28:17.420 --> 28:20.220] And I wanted to, but Rebel wasn't around. [28:22.880 --> 28:23.360] So... [28:23.360 --> 28:25.240] Strangely, though, he just stepped out. [28:25.520 --> 28:27.360] I would have zapped him if I had a chance. [28:27.880 --> 28:29.600] I'd nail him dead on. [28:30.240 --> 28:33.360] So, instead, I aimed it at the ceiling and I shot off. [28:34.380 --> 28:36.720] And it just, it was blinding. [28:36.720 --> 28:38.360] You know, again, the pain. [28:38.520 --> 28:39.700] People's ears were hurting. [28:40.640 --> 28:46.700] And there was someone else who later told me that it actually made her physically sick and she was up all night throwing up. [28:46.860 --> 28:48.260] Because she was that sensitive to it. [28:49.160 --> 28:50.180] Maybe it was pregnancy. [28:51.260 --> 28:51.740] Yeah, maybe. [28:52.660 --> 28:55.340] So, and it's not, you know. [28:55.480 --> 28:56.640] I've got something dangerous. [28:56.800 --> 28:59.060] I wonder if there's a way I can improve this and make it worse. [28:59.740 --> 29:02.160] What was the frequency of the wave form? [29:03.620 --> 29:04.580] I don't... [29:04.580 --> 29:06.460] What if you can see that it should add? [29:06.580 --> 29:09.360] Is that a frequency that was generating what type of wave waves? [29:09.960 --> 29:10.860] Like squares? [29:11.160 --> 29:16.260] Uh, honestly, I, I want to say it's an S wave, but I'm not completely sure. [29:19.280 --> 29:20.060] Oh, God. [29:20.480 --> 29:21.140] It's variable. [29:22.380 --> 29:26.060] It's variable, but it's extremely high-pitched. [29:27.920 --> 29:28.800] I don't remember that. [29:28.900 --> 29:29.440] You know what it is? [29:29.760 --> 29:32.100] Picture Mariah Carey caught in a bear trap. [29:33.540 --> 29:35.080] It's that kind of high-pitch. [29:35.460 --> 29:37.200] No, it's more high-pitched than that, actually. [29:37.800 --> 29:38.560] Well, pretty close. [29:38.980 --> 29:40.220] If you turn it down. [29:41.080 --> 29:43.600] I never actually ran the signal through a scope. [29:44.660 --> 29:48.860] I had some of the basics of what the frequency was. [29:49.480 --> 29:50.500] Obviously, I don't have it now. [29:50.580 --> 29:51.580] I had it written down on paper. [29:52.980 --> 29:55.500] But I liked it because, obviously, it works well. [29:55.640 --> 29:56.540] I've got people throwing up. [29:56.620 --> 29:57.420] I'm staggering around. [29:58.160 --> 30:02.680] So I'm contemplating doing it again, but at 140 decibels. [30:02.820 --> 30:03.540] Let's see what that'll do. [30:05.320 --> 30:08.660] And this is going to come in handy because I've got a war going with my neighbors. [30:10.740 --> 30:13.020] I'm telling you, these people are so nasty. [30:13.020 --> 30:15.740] Mr. Rogers would have taken out a restraining order against them. [30:17.160 --> 30:18.740] So, you know, these are people... [30:18.740 --> 30:20.800] They've got the dog that barks at nothing, you know. [30:21.300 --> 30:21.740] Bonnie? [30:22.260 --> 30:22.620] Yeah. [30:22.700 --> 30:25.880] You know, she's on 133 decibels at close range on somebody. [30:26.160 --> 30:27.060] That will, like... [30:27.580 --> 30:29.140] No, it did it to me. [30:29.160 --> 30:30.320] Don't put that into your head. [30:30.660 --> 30:35.940] No, I mean, it did it to me because when I accidentally set off the trigger when... [30:35.940 --> 30:39.120] You know, it's a big barrel, you know, for the business end of it. [30:39.320 --> 30:40.520] It caught me right up here. [30:41.660 --> 30:43.340] I mean, the headache I had... [30:43.340 --> 30:43.920] Oh, my God. [30:44.080 --> 30:45.000] It was horrible. [30:45.400 --> 30:46.380] But then I was happy. [30:46.640 --> 30:47.420] It worked. [30:47.640 --> 30:49.060] It's like, you know, I made a nice balance. [30:50.180 --> 30:51.380] You know, and... [30:51.380 --> 30:55.360] Now, Leo's gotten to see some of the war going on. [30:55.780 --> 30:56.000] Better. [30:56.100 --> 30:59.280] Because, I'll be honest, I hate these f*ckers with a passion. [31:00.200 --> 31:00.840] They're noisy. [31:01.640 --> 31:05.500] They're rude, inconsiderate people who, let's face it, need to be dealt with. [31:06.580 --> 31:08.120] So, I don't think... [31:08.120 --> 31:10.440] Has anyone ever done it as a prank when you steal somebody's door? [31:11.480 --> 31:11.800] What? [31:12.060 --> 31:12.620] No, I'm serious. [31:12.980 --> 31:15.960] Has anyone done it when you pull the hinges out and you take the door off just as a prank? [31:16.220 --> 31:17.200] And you're hiding in the bushes? [31:18.380 --> 31:19.260] Okay, it's just me. [31:20.680 --> 31:23.940] I thought about doing that to these people because I got so fed up with them one day. [31:24.080 --> 31:25.840] I've got to do something in retaliation. [31:25.840 --> 31:25.900] Okay. [31:27.240 --> 31:31.860] So, I actually considered gluing their door shut so they'd be trapped in the house. [31:32.620 --> 31:34.240] You know, and I seriously did. [31:34.320 --> 31:35.380] I snuck out in their bushes. [31:35.860 --> 31:37.360] You know, think back to two years ago. [31:37.520 --> 31:38.060] It was November. [31:38.320 --> 31:40.340] We had that really nasty cold snap. [31:41.140 --> 31:43.640] I stepped on their garden hose and I soaked myself. [31:44.240 --> 31:45.960] And I was drenched. [31:46.160 --> 31:48.500] And it was, I think, five degrees. [31:50.140 --> 31:50.660] Yeah. [31:51.060 --> 31:52.540] Yet again, they win. [31:54.620 --> 31:57.120] But then, you know, that's still a continuum. [31:57.300 --> 31:59.440] The latest thing is making their dog bark. [31:59.660 --> 32:01.720] And, you know, and now deliberately just to get them... [32:01.720 --> 32:03.880] Because when they hear the dog bark, they'll come out and tell them to stop. [32:04.680 --> 32:07.160] So what I do now, I get rich crackers with peanut butter. [32:07.280 --> 32:09.360] And I'll stand out my deck for about three or four of them over. [32:09.500 --> 32:10.800] I'll have to peep for the rest of the afternoon. [32:10.800 --> 32:11.220] All right. [32:11.460 --> 32:12.340] All right. [32:12.880 --> 32:13.240] All right. [32:13.900 --> 32:14.340] All right. [32:14.340 --> 32:17.840] Now, for some other future projects that we're doing. [32:19.280 --> 32:22.980] We are planning at some point an excursion out to Montauk Point. [32:23.240 --> 32:26.860] If we're not here for the next conference, you'll know why. [32:27.040 --> 32:28.140] That means Preston Nichols got it. [32:28.240 --> 32:28.460] Yeah. [32:28.540 --> 32:29.460] There will be reasons. [32:29.680 --> 32:32.640] We'll be buried under a sandbar somewhere out there. [32:34.240 --> 32:37.780] But there's a lot pointing to that area. [32:37.980 --> 32:41.800] You know, and a lot that seems like, man, you know, we have to go check this out. [32:42.720 --> 32:45.320] So that's one of the projects we're working on. [32:46.180 --> 32:49.600] The whole thing with Picatinny Arsenal is another one. [32:49.820 --> 32:54.200] I've got a lot of AT surveillance gear and frequency counters and all that. [32:54.420 --> 33:01.740] We're planning at some other point, we're going to make drives in the area and we're going to log everything down and see what the frequencies are for. [33:01.740 --> 33:07.060] Because we've noticed that there is a lot of just general weirdness going on in that area. [33:08.940 --> 33:13.700] Now, we don't know specifically what they do with the weapons. [33:14.140 --> 33:16.100] But years ago they had an explosion. [33:16.300 --> 33:18.380] And it was famous for this. [33:18.560 --> 33:21.920] It blew out every window in the Lake Telemark Valley. [33:22.840 --> 33:26.020] And, you know, we're still looking into why that was. [33:26.480 --> 33:27.040] Question? [33:27.580 --> 33:30.080] Picatinny is doing research into non-lethal weapons. [33:30.900 --> 33:34.240] That includes microwave and sonic weapons. [33:35.140 --> 33:36.700] They're cutting in on my action. [33:37.160 --> 33:37.880] You bastards. [33:38.880 --> 33:40.620] And I'm paying for that too, man. [33:40.620 --> 33:41.480] That's a sad part. [33:42.340 --> 33:44.440] I'm sure they charge a lot more than you do. [33:45.740 --> 33:47.500] Yeah, but that's only because I'm cheap. [33:49.480 --> 33:49.810] Raytheon. [33:50.560 --> 33:51.200] Raytheon. [33:51.200 --> 33:52.340] What's the company named Raytheon? [33:52.480 --> 33:53.360] Raytheon, yeah. [33:53.720 --> 33:53.840] Raytheon. [33:54.060 --> 33:59.730] I heard this actually on Friday or Thursday that they're developing a backpack-sized... [34:01.660 --> 34:03.080] I heard this from Cessna. [34:03.240 --> 34:10.180] They're developing a backpack-sized replica of the microwave cannon that they currently have mounted in trucks. [34:10.660 --> 34:15.720] And, um, so maybe, maybe they're working on that over there. [34:15.860 --> 34:22.620] And I think, and I'm not too positive, the XM8, the, uh, was the weapon system that was going to replace the M16? [34:23.000 --> 34:23.240] Yeah. [34:23.240 --> 34:23.800] The defendant melted. [34:23.980 --> 34:24.660] Was that a Picatinny? [34:25.620 --> 34:26.060] Um... [34:27.260 --> 34:28.440] It didn't pass, though. [34:28.480 --> 34:29.400] I know it didn't pass. [34:29.400 --> 34:31.320] Yeah, they were testing the XM8 and... [34:31.720 --> 34:32.680] Yeah, so, yeah, it was... [34:32.680 --> 34:38.760] It was being tested, the XM8, this weapon system that was plastic, I believe. [34:38.760 --> 34:41.000] That, uh... [34:41.000 --> 34:41.740] Uh... [34:41.740 --> 34:42.360] Sort of... [34:42.360 --> 34:44.660] That was supposed to replace the M16 weapon system. [34:44.880 --> 34:45.660] Was, uh... [34:45.660 --> 34:47.220] Tested out in Picatinny and Iraq. [34:47.540 --> 34:50.660] And in Iraq, they found out that it melted when you held it. [34:51.680 --> 34:55.120] Which kind of defeated the whole point of using it in the war, but... [34:55.120 --> 34:55.720] It's because it's hot. [34:56.220 --> 34:56.660] Yeah. [34:56.920 --> 35:00.140] I guess they didn't account for that when they were making a weapon that fires hot bullets. [35:00.580 --> 35:02.380] Did it make all kinds of mistakes with that? [35:03.200 --> 35:05.440] Like the heating systems in U.S. taxes, huh? [35:05.740 --> 35:06.860] Oh, and the electricity? [35:07.340 --> 35:07.780] Yeah. [35:07.780 --> 35:07.880] Yeah. [35:08.660 --> 35:09.140] Well... [35:09.140 --> 35:10.040] Well, you know... [35:11.320 --> 35:13.620] To make an omelet, man, you know, you gotta break eggs. [35:15.380 --> 35:17.060] Burn hands, whatever it takes. [35:17.400 --> 35:18.760] You know, you gotta do it. [35:20.000 --> 35:20.800] And so, I will... [35:20.800 --> 35:21.640] And here's another one. [35:21.880 --> 35:22.960] Was anyone here for... [35:23.620 --> 35:24.860] For Stephen Levy's talk? [35:25.400 --> 35:25.880] Yes. [35:25.880 --> 35:27.540] I've got a good Stephen Levy story. [35:28.200 --> 35:30.320] And this is why I have to say this. [35:31.980 --> 35:33.700] He autographed my copy of Hackers. [35:33.780 --> 35:34.400] I didn't buy it here. [35:34.680 --> 35:37.220] I bought it years ago, and I had him autograph it. [35:38.100 --> 35:41.080] He was walking along this side when he came up to the back for a signing. [35:41.680 --> 35:44.220] And I asked him, I said, you know, Mr. Levy, could you sign this? [35:44.240 --> 35:44.980] He said, yeah, sure. [35:45.100 --> 35:45.500] Who's it to? [35:45.580 --> 35:46.460] And I said, it's to Gonzo. [35:47.540 --> 35:50.320] And he signed it, gave me a handshake, Smiley walked off. [35:50.820 --> 35:53.140] I looked at it, it said, it's to Bonzo. [35:54.920 --> 35:57.680] And I said, oh my God, Stephen Levy's got my name wrong? [35:57.940 --> 36:00.880] You know, I'm, you know, I'm nobody in this community. [36:01.160 --> 36:06.060] But, you know, I thought I was enunciating properly when I said Gonzo. [36:06.440 --> 36:07.960] And he wrote Bonzo. [36:09.200 --> 36:10.240] And I said, wow. [36:11.840 --> 36:12.900] You've been christened. [36:12.940 --> 36:14.460] Stephen Levy's signed my name wrong, man. [36:14.600 --> 36:15.500] I'm putting that up on the shelf. [36:20.200 --> 36:26.600] Well, now, too, you know, another thing that we really jumped on was trying to save the hotel. [36:27.160 --> 36:30.640] You know, because, I mean, you know, just take a look around. [36:31.220 --> 36:36.160] Think of the people you've met, if not over the past of today, you know, and yesterday. [36:36.740 --> 36:37.980] The past conferences. [36:38.520 --> 36:41.880] You know, the talks you've had at one, two o'clock in the morning. [36:42.060 --> 36:42.920] People from overseas. [36:42.920 --> 36:46.620] And strangely, it's not so bad being where we are. [36:47.300 --> 36:51.180] You know, and we said, man, you know, we can't let this go. [36:52.380 --> 37:00.520] So I remember even back in my LOS days, we used to talk, man, someday we're going to go to a 2600 meeting. [37:00.520 --> 37:08.220] And this is when we thought we were really hot because we had a 2400 baud model that somebody paid 600 for. [37:08.360 --> 37:11.320] And he said that was actually a good deal because he could have gotten it for 650. [37:12.560 --> 37:15.340] And I said, man, you know, we have to keep up with this. [37:15.620 --> 37:23.960] So, we had LOS, we had our group, and one of the guys unfortunately went over to the narc side. [37:23.960 --> 37:24.860] He became a fed. [37:25.700 --> 37:30.460] And we're still waiting for that check in the mail, but he's never gotten in contact with us since. [37:32.180 --> 37:35.720] As inevitably happens, you know, everyone goes in their separate ways. [37:36.160 --> 37:38.920] But I said, man, you know, we can't let this go. [37:39.040 --> 37:40.560] This is too much like family here. [37:41.060 --> 37:43.260] You know, we can't bail on this. [37:43.480 --> 37:44.660] There's a need for it. [37:44.740 --> 37:46.220] And look at the history we've done. [37:46.740 --> 37:49.300] You know, we can't back out on this. [37:50.620 --> 37:57.320] Now, at the moment, I'm still hearing reports that the hotel will not be torn down. [37:58.900 --> 38:00.580] But, I don't know, does anyone know? [38:01.100 --> 38:02.740] I mean, is that true or not? [38:02.800 --> 38:06.020] Because I'm still hearing that it's also $4 billion in a hole. [38:06.860 --> 38:08.840] No, I heard that they're making a profit there. [38:09.020 --> 38:14.300] What I heard was that Renato was going to demolish this and make a new building for J.P. Morgan. [38:15.020 --> 38:15.700] But J.P. Morgan bought out Bear Stearns for $250 million. [38:19.820 --> 38:20.340] What? [38:20.800 --> 38:26.860] For instance, the current story is that they're not going to demolish it because it doesn't make money. [38:27.020 --> 38:29.560] And right now, Renato... [38:31.560 --> 38:33.640] Well, yeah, well, no, I mean... [38:33.640 --> 38:43.120] But that our only concern right now is that they may not be turning the lobby in a couple of the lower floors into some property. [38:47.080 --> 38:48.900] I don't know if I saw that a lobby. [38:49.580 --> 38:53.740] Well, there is going to be a lobby there, but it's going to be like the way some hotel lobbies do where they have a lobby. [38:53.740 --> 38:55.000] But we're talking about the lobby. [39:00.560 --> 39:01.840] That's smart. [39:01.940 --> 39:02.600] Better than nothing. [39:03.420 --> 39:05.100] You're surprised what he said. [39:05.440 --> 39:05.800] So... [39:05.800 --> 39:11.780] Oh, basically it said that the hotel is not making money. [39:12.460 --> 39:17.040] Vernato has been hit hard by the recession because J.P. [39:17.040 --> 39:23.160] Bear Stearns sold to JP Morgan for $250 million. [39:24.120 --> 39:31.940] The Bear Stearns investors were pissed because Bear Stearns has a building worth over a billion dollars, I think, in Manhattan or something. [39:33.700 --> 39:39.460] So what happens is JP Morgan bought Bear Stearns for the building, basically. [39:39.740 --> 39:44.820] So now they got their building, they don't need to buy Hotel Pennsylvania, this land. [39:44.820 --> 39:52.260] So Bernardo has no buyer anymore, plus they were going to demolish Penn Station and move it somewhere else. [39:52.640 --> 40:02.720] And I didn't understand how they got permission from the city to do that in the first place, because you got a subway, you got the Amtrak railroads, you got New Jersey Transit, and you have... [40:02.720 --> 40:03.260] LRR. [40:03.660 --> 40:04.460] Yeah, LRR. [40:05.200 --> 40:12.060] So to move all that to a different part of the city would require, let's see, it would be impossible in my view. [40:12.060 --> 40:14.420] So like... [40:15.000 --> 40:16.400] Renato's made of impossible. [40:17.340 --> 40:17.780] Yeah. [40:18.660 --> 40:22.380] So, Renato's crazy, but at least now, hopefully they won't demolish it. [40:22.720 --> 40:25.680] But you know, you can't trust an insane person to act sane. [40:25.980 --> 40:27.140] And we don't know the future. [40:27.600 --> 40:29.000] Well, actually, I know the future. [40:29.020 --> 40:29.760] Well, that's true. [40:30.200 --> 40:32.480] Things are a little up in the air. [40:32.480 --> 40:38.000] But as I've always wondered with them, you know, they're struggling with hackers, man. [40:38.240 --> 40:40.220] You know, hacker vengeance is the worst kind. [40:40.400 --> 40:41.560] There's going to be a backlash. [40:42.860 --> 40:45.740] You know, it's going to be more than just a pork getting flooded. [40:45.740 --> 40:46.740] I mean, you know... [40:47.840 --> 40:49.620] One of the people hitting F5 over and over. [40:49.980 --> 40:51.960] Why is the future of Oman? [40:52.340 --> 40:52.460] I don't know. [40:52.720 --> 40:52.940] I don't know. [40:54.020 --> 40:54.300] I don't know. [40:54.360 --> 40:55.680] I haven't said it's always been hosted here. [40:55.880 --> 40:57.280] But he's likely to just find another venue. [40:58.160 --> 41:01.540] Well, actually, from what I understand, Emmanuel's been trying. [41:02.120 --> 41:04.060] But he's not having an easy time of it. [41:04.060 --> 41:11.580] Because to have it in Manhattan, since it's Manhattan, the pricing for the conference space is insane. [41:12.080 --> 41:15.500] So, this is because the hotel is older. [41:16.060 --> 41:20.560] And, yeah, the space is cheaper for them. [41:20.780 --> 41:27.640] So, if the hotel gets demolished, it will be a lot more expensive to host HOPE. [41:27.920 --> 41:31.380] Which would mean the entrance fee will need to be more expensive. [41:31.380 --> 41:33.160] We won't have as much space. [41:33.800 --> 41:35.700] And HOPE is growing constantly. [41:36.020 --> 41:39.420] So, with future hopes, you'll need extra space. [41:39.520 --> 41:40.860] So, you can't shrink it down. [41:41.100 --> 41:47.740] So, if you have like a, you know, a shift of venue, you'll either need to get... [41:47.740 --> 41:52.620] Either charge people like ShmooCon charges, which is insane prices. [41:53.880 --> 41:57.020] Or, basically, move out of Manhattan. [41:57.020 --> 41:59.720] You'll also have the more often in some venues. [42:00.680 --> 42:01.300] Oh, yeah. [42:13.470 --> 42:14.090] Oh, yeah. [42:14.370 --> 42:19.590] But, the one thing, though, I think it's important for it to have here, too. [42:19.810 --> 42:20.790] Because of the history. [42:21.310 --> 42:23.730] You know, one thing about Americans, man. [42:23.830 --> 42:25.370] We're quick to forget our past. [42:26.230 --> 42:29.510] You know, if it's not the latest and fastest thing, it's gotta go. [42:30.650 --> 42:33.550] And I say, you know, it's a landmark, man. [42:33.690 --> 42:35.370] You know, look at all the stuff that went on here, man. [42:35.490 --> 42:35.870] Keep it. [42:37.310 --> 42:37.870] You know... [42:39.230 --> 42:39.790] Well, then... [42:39.790 --> 42:40.250] No, no. [42:40.310 --> 42:40.850] It's the hotel. [42:41.770 --> 42:42.270] No, I'm just kidding. [42:43.270 --> 42:45.810] Well, you know, because I think, you know, the vibe. [42:46.050 --> 42:47.950] You know, there's a weird vibe to the place. [42:47.950 --> 42:51.570] And, you know, I'm sure a lot of it is brought in, you know, from us. [42:52.170 --> 42:57.670] But, the hotel, it has more of a homey feel to it. [42:57.790 --> 42:59.450] You know, and I think that might be why. [42:59.970 --> 43:03.330] You know, if we're gonna be a hacker community, I mean, be a community. [43:04.090 --> 43:06.830] You know, and I've noticed it a lot this time. [43:07.030 --> 43:10.990] Even in the last conference I've seen, it seems like we're getting more social with each other. [43:11.530 --> 43:14.230] Or, you know, how it used to be about ten years ago. [43:14.690 --> 43:16.990] Everyone beat in their chest because they can do this and do this. [43:17.890 --> 43:19.450] And you say, yeah, well, how do you do it? [43:19.510 --> 43:20.570] And no one would tell you. [43:21.530 --> 43:22.810] We're starting to find out now. [43:23.290 --> 43:25.050] You know, I'm seeing more people talking. [43:25.210 --> 43:26.690] There's more going on. [43:27.810 --> 43:31.590] And, you know, it's weird because, you know, I'm coming clean on this. [43:31.790 --> 43:33.030] I'm a right winger. [43:33.470 --> 43:33.770] Oooh. [43:34.670 --> 43:36.170] That's the best thing about reprimand. [43:36.350 --> 43:36.510] Yeah. [43:36.590 --> 43:38.430] Our politics are only different. [43:38.730 --> 43:38.990] Yeah. [43:38.990 --> 43:40.870] But, you know, we can still stick together. [43:40.950 --> 43:41.290] I don't think of a lot of them. [43:41.650 --> 43:43.190] Because, you know, it's... [43:43.190 --> 43:44.630] Politics is just an opinion. [43:45.390 --> 43:52.090] And given how fed up I am with both candidates, it's just a matter of who's gonna buy you dinner after the election, given what's gonna happen to you. [43:53.030 --> 43:53.350] You know. [43:54.190 --> 43:55.150] You know, to me, it's true. [43:55.330 --> 43:57.190] You know, either way, you know, you're gonna get screwed either way. [43:57.510 --> 43:59.250] Republicans, Democrats are both bad. [43:59.970 --> 44:00.450] You know. [44:01.410 --> 44:02.310] You know, it's true. [44:02.470 --> 44:03.730] You know, they're both bad. [44:03.950 --> 44:06.310] They've let us down, you know, exponentially. [44:06.310 --> 44:06.470] Constantly. [44:07.650 --> 44:12.510] You know, there's so much potential that both of them have, and none of them are doing it. [44:13.410 --> 44:13.970] All right. [44:14.390 --> 44:14.670] Question. [44:18.430 --> 44:19.290] Vote for me. [44:20.350 --> 44:20.650] No. [44:20.990 --> 44:21.170] Vote for you. [44:21.330 --> 44:21.470] I don't know. [44:21.590 --> 44:33.330] Well, the thing that I suggested that we do, that we take up a fundraiser, we send everyone in Congress, a copy of the Federalist Papers, and a bottle of Viagra, and let them figure it out. [44:35.650 --> 44:36.290] And that's... [44:36.290 --> 44:37.350] Or if we should settle for it. [44:37.390 --> 44:40.870] No, or if not, we just, you know, or if not, we just go there and we just beat hell out of them. [44:40.870 --> 44:47.890] Is it the hacker approach, is it the softer and more accessible target, but it's taken over and use it? [44:48.570 --> 44:49.310] For some. [44:49.530 --> 44:51.350] In my understanding of politics in America, [44:58.000 --> 44:58.080] it's happening. [44:59.840 --> 45:01.040] But that's just it. [45:01.200 --> 45:04.020] But then, how do you get into the, you know, how do you get into the club? [45:04.320 --> 45:08.080] You know, because it's so closed off, they don't want to hear anyone else want to do something to me. [45:08.620 --> 45:10.180] Do you have a way to vote? [45:10.500 --> 45:11.160] It's really easy. [45:11.860 --> 45:12.780] Vote for what? [45:13.140 --> 45:13.460] I vote. [45:13.640 --> 45:14.100] I vote election. [45:14.260 --> 45:20.020] I'm sure you vote, but you vote between the ages of 18 to 0.4, vote at the rate of 16%. [45:20.020 --> 45:21.160] That's the prejudice change. [45:21.460 --> 45:21.780] Oh, yeah. [45:22.560 --> 45:23.280] And that's [45:29.480 --> 45:30.100] the... [45:30.100 --> 45:36.620] But until you actually start voting in the rate of 60 to 80%, have people in the age, it's all f*cked up. [45:42.500 --> 45:43.660] What's it vote for? [45:45.180 --> 45:46.140] Is it... [45:56.090 --> 46:03.010] It's weird because it's been very rare that anyone has ever gotten on me for being a right-liner. [46:03.550 --> 46:05.610] And, you know, this happens... [46:07.370 --> 46:08.270] No, no. [46:08.850 --> 46:10.350] I'm pointing out an example. [46:11.130 --> 46:14.770] What happened was this was at a 2600 meeting not too long ago. [46:15.210 --> 46:18.830] Someone got on me for being a right-liner. [46:18.830 --> 46:24.490] And as I said to him, I said, well, I guess you're not that open and tolerant of other people's opinions as you would have others believe. [46:26.270 --> 46:31.370] You know, and that's one of the great things of the community here. [46:31.990 --> 46:32.810] No one has... [46:32.810 --> 46:35.450] Other than that, no one has ever really gotten on me. [46:52.410 --> 46:54.030] Yes, all top secret. [46:54.410 --> 46:54.890] Actually... [46:54.890 --> 46:57.650] I'm trying to work on that cannon. [46:58.570 --> 46:59.190] You've got a moment to call [47:10.700 --> 47:11.560] it. [47:11.660 --> 47:12.440] Don't drop it. [47:18.800 --> 47:20.080] Oh, that's a horrible idea. [47:20.400 --> 47:22.200] It worked perfectly but it looks bad. [47:22.700 --> 47:26.500] Yeah, it says, you know, one thing is staying one step away from it. [47:42.800 --> 47:44.140] He's skinned a leprechaun. [47:44.260 --> 47:44.840] Yeah, that's right. [47:45.320 --> 47:46.240] A few of them. [47:47.100 --> 47:49.400] Now you know it's that thing in the rainbow with my tailor. [47:51.980 --> 47:55.160] Actually, it was a store called Hayhat years ago. [47:55.240 --> 47:55.740] It was out in Jersey. [48:09.270 --> 48:16.110] Well, that's why, you know, I had to get it because, you know, being a Gen Xer, I remember we had a lot of out-of-colors in the 80s. [48:16.190 --> 48:19.690] I said, well, you know, who would dare wear a lot of color now? [48:21.130 --> 48:22.030] I volunteer. [48:25.980 --> 48:27.600] No other questions or... [48:27.600 --> 48:29.220] Sergey, good morning. [48:31.060 --> 48:33.560] Babies come from UPS. [48:33.960 --> 48:34.820] Yeah, that's right. [48:35.000 --> 48:37.040] If you want them overnight, we can arrange that. [48:38.940 --> 48:40.240] That'll cost you extra though. [48:47.870 --> 48:48.270] Tuesday. [48:48.610 --> 48:49.150] No, no, no. [48:50.610 --> 48:51.010] Because... [48:51.010 --> 48:52.190] Actually, it's recorded. [48:52.650 --> 48:57.310] Because all the money that we've done for it has always had to come out of my pocket. [48:57.450 --> 48:59.350] We had a problem with the antenna a while ago. [49:00.370 --> 49:03.210] You know, getting the balloon, the coax and all of that. [49:03.370 --> 49:06.390] So, you know, it's not that easy getting the software and everything else. [49:06.570 --> 49:07.950] Or having the time to... [49:07.950 --> 49:08.590] Probably... [49:10.750 --> 49:11.150] Probably... [49:11.150 --> 49:12.110] Before the summer ends. [49:12.290 --> 49:12.470] Definitely. [49:12.650 --> 49:14.130] Actually, I can definitely... [49:14.130 --> 49:14.670] That will happen. [49:14.750 --> 49:17.510] Yeah, or at least that's what we're hoping for. [49:18.530 --> 49:20.930] You know, maybe later in the year. [49:21.190 --> 49:22.590] You know, we can't really say for service. [49:23.610 --> 49:25.470] But it is in the works. [49:27.030 --> 49:34.970] I mean, in the show, it's just, you know, people will bring in, you know, asking questions about... [49:34.970 --> 49:35.850] That we can't answer. [49:36.010 --> 49:36.210] Yeah. [49:36.390 --> 49:37.150] Well, some of them. [49:37.410 --> 49:39.150] You know, why are you so bitter? [49:39.590 --> 49:40.550] Well, why not? [49:41.770 --> 49:45.330] You know, play some music and a couple of rants here. [49:45.590 --> 49:46.750] You know, stuff like that. [49:54.160 --> 49:55.600] Oh, actually, it's all sorts. [49:55.880 --> 49:56.060] Yeah. [49:56.080 --> 49:57.000] So, a little bit is technical. [49:58.060 --> 50:00.240] I'm getting more and more into the art scene now. [50:00.520 --> 50:04.920] So, you know, I talk more about the arts and literature and all that. [50:05.200 --> 50:06.100] Also local stuff. [50:06.100 --> 50:11.500] Yeah, I'm concerned, you know, because I don't know who actually listens to the show. [50:11.880 --> 50:16.000] You know, because, you know, we run everything up when we can. [50:16.120 --> 50:17.220] We don't really get to hear from them. [50:18.060 --> 50:23.100] So, we don't know where they're listening to us, you know, or if they're just passing through. [50:23.380 --> 50:29.200] You know, so I'll do a lot of local stuff and, you know, try to keep something everyone can get a little something at. [50:31.200 --> 50:31.640] Alright. [50:37.440 --> 50:37.840] Alright. [50:38.040 --> 50:39.220] Well, that's it for us. [50:53.790 --> 50:59.170] I mean, if everyone comes back to us, we've got a reason to stay around. [51:00.090 --> 51:05.370] You know, even if it's getting done with one person, we're here for you. [51:05.890 --> 51:07.930] So, talk to yourself and don't talk for us. [51:09.110 --> 51:10.490] And don't talk for surgery. [51:13.310 --> 51:14.650] Oh, my legs! [51:15.250 --> 51:15.710] Ow. [51:16.090 --> 51:16.430] Ow? [51:17.150 --> 51:18.350] Was that ow or me? [51:18.870 --> 51:19.390] I was like, ow. [51:19.650 --> 51:20.530] They got the wrong way. [51:24.840 --> 51:25.340] What do you think? [51:25.900 --> 51:27.820] I'm thinking of a picture of my chulper candy. [51:28.440 --> 51:31.860] They had nothing but Gonzo's face blacked out by the flowers.