[00:00.000 --> 00:01.220] Do you know how I got number 30? [00:01.420 --> 00:02.440] Because I'm just insanely low. [00:04.280 --> 00:04.760] No. [00:05.000 --> 00:05.140] No? [00:05.320 --> 00:05.420] Okay. [00:06.540 --> 00:08.680] This is the question I've been asking all weekend. [00:09.320 --> 00:11.920] And you can tell I'm killing time trying to still fix my screen resolution. [00:12.220 --> 00:13.980] But anyway... Okay, does Porkchop know? [00:14.880 --> 00:16.060] How were numbers assigned? [00:17.200 --> 00:17.680] Okay. [00:21.320 --> 00:22.460] For the speaker number. [00:23.420 --> 00:25.840] We're killing time until the laptop gets fixed. [00:32.010 --> 00:32.560] I don't know. [00:32.680 --> 00:33.260] It's not liking it. [00:33.340 --> 00:33.480] Whatever. [00:34.860 --> 00:35.520] You want to take it? [00:35.820 --> 00:36.140] Yes. [00:36.400 --> 00:36.640] All right. [00:39.970 --> 00:41.470] Anyway, I get to see my presentation. [00:41.650 --> 00:42.390] You guys just don't. [00:42.470 --> 00:42.690] Ha ha. [00:43.470 --> 00:47.030] So anyway, welcome to Phone Phreaking 101, or it's the other one I like to call it. [00:47.090 --> 00:51.210] It's everything you want to know about phone phreaking but were afraid to ask or don't know to ask in the first place. [00:52.790 --> 00:54.650] So anyway, let's first get something out of the way. [00:54.790 --> 00:56.130] What is phone phreaking? [00:56.270 --> 00:58.610] Now, how many people here think phone phreaking is free phone calls? [00:58.750 --> 00:59.310] Raise your hand. [01:00.790 --> 01:01.510] Oh, good. [01:02.010 --> 01:02.470] All right. [01:02.710 --> 01:07.210] I've had like two or three people like when I say, oh, I'm doing a presentation on phone phreaking. [01:07.370 --> 01:09.190] Oh, you're getting free phone calls? [01:09.510 --> 01:09.990] No. [01:10.770 --> 01:14.650] Phreaking is to phones is what, you know, hacking is to computers. [01:14.910 --> 01:16.330] It's exploration of a system. [01:16.490 --> 01:17.610] It's messing around. [01:17.870 --> 01:18.910] It's harmless fun. [01:19.070 --> 01:20.810] It's stupid phone tricks. [01:21.050 --> 01:24.410] And it's essentially a side product of that is learning about the phone network. [01:25.230 --> 01:30.530] The free phone call part, yes, you know, occasionally we do get free phone calls. [01:30.730 --> 01:33.190] But it's a side effect of exploration. [01:33.550 --> 01:34.690] And it's really... [01:34.690 --> 01:41.930] Back in the 60s, it became more of a thing when, you know, calling Hawaii for 10 minutes used to cost you an arm and a leg and you're first born all in one thing. [01:42.890 --> 01:47.750] But in today's... with today's rates and today's market, it's not necessary anymore. [01:49.090 --> 01:50.410] Next off, who the hell am I? [01:50.730 --> 01:53.410] I've been messing around with phones since I was about 11 or so. [01:53.690 --> 01:59.430] I call myself just another phone phreak from Boston because there was a lot of people there already when I finally decided to get back into it. [02:00.170 --> 02:01.570] I don't work for the phone company. [02:01.890 --> 02:04.690] I'm not involved in telecommunications at all. [02:06.190 --> 02:10.490] All this stuff isn't, you know, super 31337 insider infos. [02:10.850 --> 02:14.670] And whatever you do, don't take my word as gospel and find this stuff out yourself. [02:15.870 --> 02:24.850] And if you ever want to talk to this guy named Logic, I'm a full-of-myself, stuck-up, arrogant prick who enjoys fame more than learning something with nothing to show with it for except a list of f*cking payphones. [02:25.350 --> 02:29.190] And in case you want to see my list of payphones, yapl.org, Y-A-P-L. [02:31.570 --> 02:35.350] So, in order to start, we've got to start at the beginning, so we're going to go to History of the Phone, Part 1. [02:37.410 --> 02:39.350] In 1876, the phone was invented. [02:40.270 --> 02:47.710] Depending on who you talk to, it was either Mucci or Bell, or Bell stole it from Mucci, or, you know, mugged on the way to the patent office, or I don't know. [02:48.070 --> 02:49.910] I go by, you know, Bell invented it. [02:50.010 --> 02:51.390] That's what history says. [02:51.410 --> 02:52.650] I'm not into rewriting the whole thing. [02:53.350 --> 03:01.090] In 1891, a man named Almon Strowger, he was a, I believe he was an undertaker, yes, that was it. [03:01.290 --> 03:12.110] And he was thinking that he was losing business because people would call up the operator, in case you don't know how the phone works, then you'd pick up your receiver, an operator would say, number please, or you'd say, you know, or connect me to, you know, [03:12.190 --> 03:12.710] so-and-so. [03:12.990 --> 03:16.290] And they'd take your little wire and plug you in, the other phone would ring. [03:16.290 --> 03:25.150] So, um, Strowger was convinced that the operator was saying, oh, you know, um, and someone calls him up, oh, my uncle died, I need an undertaker. [03:25.230 --> 03:30.850] He was convinced that the, um, other, the operator would route him to one of his competitors. [03:31.130 --> 03:36.550] So, he sat down and designed an automatic exchange where you would dial the numbers and it would connect you automatically. [03:37.090 --> 03:40.250] Um, this was the basis of the telephone network. [03:40.250 --> 03:46.570] And actually, uh, he sold it to a couple of, he sold it to, um, the predecessor of GTE, the manufacturing arm. [03:46.750 --> 03:50.270] And they sat on it for a while and they had no clue what to do with it. [03:50.630 --> 03:54.030] And they thought it would never caught on because who the heck would want to dial their own phone numbers? [03:55.430 --> 03:58.490] Um, but it eventually was installed in 1891. [03:58.490 --> 04:00.450] I believe it was in, uh, somewhere in Indiana. [04:00.790 --> 04:01.870] I'm, didn't write that down. [04:02.630 --> 04:08.890] Um, in 1921, um, Bell consolidated all of his companies and the Bell system was formed, which we all know and love. [04:09.350 --> 04:11.730] Um, and it would continue up until 1984. [04:12.030 --> 04:12.870] But more on that later. [04:13.190 --> 04:21.210] Um, in 1953, a major revolution came about because even though you could dial your own local numbers, uh, it was still impossible to connect to long distance. [04:21.390 --> 04:26.030] There was no such, well, there were such things as area codes, but you were never actually aware of them. [04:26.210 --> 04:30.270] You'd call up your operator and say, I'd like to make a long distance call to, you know, San Francisco, California. [04:30.570 --> 04:32.890] She'd connect you and the process would continue. [04:34.490 --> 04:41.970] Um, 1953, they actually introduced telephones, um, sorry, area codes, and you could be able to dial your own, uh, long distance telephone number. [04:42.450 --> 04:52.710] Um, in 1964, a very important article was released in the Bell technical journal that listed the, um, I think it's 12 master tones that control the long distance network. [04:53.170 --> 05:07.790] And they completely did not, uh, completely missed this, and they didn't think this would be of interest to anybody, but very, um, you know, engineers said, oh, geez, I can control the telephone network with these tones, so let's go build these wonderful little boxes. [05:08.750 --> 05:10.530] And the Blue Box was born. [05:10.770 --> 05:13.770] Now, how many people here know why they call it a Blue Box? [05:15.430 --> 05:17.350] Okay, and we have one person, so I'll tell you. [05:17.350 --> 05:19.590] I'm sorry, I'm not taking questions and answers yet, ha-ha. [05:20.190 --> 05:27.970] Um, Bell System Security, I believe was in the University of Oregon, um, found one of these little boxes, and they didn't actually give it a name yet. [05:28.350 --> 05:29.550] And, and... [05:29.990 --> 05:30.610] Hold on. [05:32.570 --> 05:33.230] Tony Spitzer. [05:33.770 --> 05:35.710] Yes, hi, I wonder if you could help me, please. [05:35.890 --> 05:41.210] Uh, basically, we need to know who does the press relations for the, uh, hackers convention, please. [05:41.850 --> 05:42.810] Hold on for one moment. [05:42.950 --> 05:43.570] Do we know this? [05:48.070 --> 05:49.490] Hold on, we're consulting the audience. [05:49.690 --> 05:50.110] Thank you. [05:56.070 --> 05:56.990] Are you going to see it or not? [05:57.530 --> 05:58.670] Is this going to... [05:58.670 --> 05:59.750] Is that it? [06:00.710 --> 06:01.530] Are you still connected? [06:01.810 --> 06:02.230] Yes, sure. [06:02.570 --> 06:04.430] Oh, no, it's... [06:10.480 --> 06:12.540] Oh, how about connecting the... disconnecting the audio side? [06:13.240 --> 06:13.720] It would... [06:13.720 --> 06:13.960] Yeah. [06:14.920 --> 06:16.120] Okay, we're trying to figure it out. [06:16.160 --> 06:17.240] You actually called one of the... [06:17.240 --> 06:18.260] Conference in Progress. [06:19.260 --> 06:19.620] Yes. [06:19.620 --> 06:23.380] Uh, we don't have the number right here. [06:23.540 --> 06:25.740] Uh, we're trying to find someone, so... [06:25.740 --> 06:27.280] Do you have a security number? [06:28.880 --> 06:29.660] And an email. [06:31.560 --> 06:33.600] Or, or anti-security in our case. [06:34.680 --> 06:36.340] Uh, we're, we're busy screwing around. [06:36.400 --> 06:37.280] Could you hold on for a while? [06:38.280 --> 06:41.160] Uh, well, we can put you on hold and you can listen to my, uh, talk. [06:42.060 --> 06:42.420] Okay! [06:43.000 --> 06:44.260] Oh, hold on, we have a phone number. [06:45.380 --> 06:47.740] Um, we have a, uh, great movie. [06:47.940 --> 06:48.780] His phone number's 907. [06:50.220 --> 06:52.040] You get 347. [06:52.240 --> 06:53.420] You get 347. [06:54.160 --> 06:54.680] 957. [06:54.920 --> 06:55.740] That's a little number. [07:01.480 --> 07:02.340] No, it's 9. [07:03.820 --> 07:04.860] It's 907. [07:05.140 --> 07:05.220] Yeah. [07:07.660 --> 07:08.280] That is it? [07:09.040 --> 07:09.560] Yes. [07:11.720 --> 07:12.500] Okay, bye-bye. [07:13.440 --> 07:15.780] We don't really want to lose press. [07:16.040 --> 07:16.260] Yeah. [07:16.500 --> 07:16.820] Oh, okay. [07:16.860 --> 07:17.400] That makes sense. [07:17.480 --> 07:17.620] Sorry. [07:19.940 --> 07:20.460] Okay. [07:20.460 --> 07:20.500] Okay. [07:21.240 --> 07:22.300] All right, where was I? [07:22.860 --> 07:26.880] Um, okay, so the Blue Box was, it was blue, so they named it the Blue box. [07:27.620 --> 07:30.780] Um, and, yeah, they're very original. [07:30.960 --> 07:31.880] They're a bunch of security guards. [07:31.920 --> 07:32.420] What do you want? [07:32.420 --> 07:47.660] Um, in 1965, the, uh, all system, all switching systems up to this, uh, time were electrical mechanical, meaning they had large moving parts and there was all kinds of things and it was all controlled by DC pulses and electricity and 48 volts. [07:47.660 --> 07:53.440] Um, in 1965, the first computer controlled electronic switch was the, uh, developed in Succesana, New Jersey. [07:53.680 --> 07:56.480] It's the number one ESS electronic switching system. [07:57.300 --> 08:05.500] Um, in 1971, uh, Ron Rosenbaum, uh, wrote an article for a Esquire magazine called The Secrets of the Little Blue Box. [08:06.140 --> 08:08.200] And if you haven't read this, you should read it. [08:08.260 --> 08:09.540] It's just a fun article in general. [08:09.900 --> 08:13.500] Um, I have it saved on my hard drive actually and it's always fun to pop it up when I'm bored. [08:13.880 --> 08:16.800] Um, and this really put phreaking into the mainstream. [08:16.800 --> 08:20.000] Everyone suddenly said, Whoa, I can get free phone calls. [08:20.180 --> 08:25.280] And, um, there was Bell decided to look at this and say, Ooh, this is bad. [08:25.400 --> 08:26.720] We should start arresting these people. [08:27.280 --> 08:29.800] Uh, and which was a, started off as a minor annoyance. [08:30.860 --> 08:35.100] Um, actually rush roomed into a major toll fraud, uh, escapade. [08:35.480 --> 08:38.800] So they actually started cracking down and everything and certain people went to jail. [08:39.500 --> 08:39.900] Yes. [08:40.060 --> 08:40.880] One of which is right here. [08:41.000 --> 08:41.340] Stand up. [08:45.380 --> 08:48.260] Um, I don't think anyone, I don't think so. [09:01.050 --> 09:01.450] Uh, [09:15.570 --> 09:22.350] for those of you who didn't actually hear the whole thing, um, one of the major problems was there was a telex test circuit in Vancouver? [09:22.570 --> 09:22.770] Yeah. [09:22.910 --> 09:23.250] Vancouver. [09:23.670 --> 09:23.770] Yeah. [09:23.970 --> 09:25.070] 604-2111. [09:25.330 --> 09:26.790] And it was only dialed via Blue Boxes. [09:27.190 --> 09:35.750] And it was going to be cut over from single frequency, which was, uh, 2,600, um, pulses, to, uh, MF, which is what controlled the Blue Box. [09:35.910 --> 09:37.370] And, oh, everyone decided to get on. [09:37.690 --> 09:42.210] And everyone kind of noticed it and said, Ooh, why are all these people testing the telex circuit? [09:42.330 --> 09:43.250] No one's supposed to be on here. [09:43.650 --> 09:46.410] And so they actually, that's the other thing that kind of let everything. [09:47.130 --> 09:48.350] They traced everybody back. [09:48.350 --> 09:49.350] It's a big thing. [09:49.410 --> 09:52.450] And in two weeks they formed 18 cities. [09:52.670 --> 09:52.890] Hmm? [09:53.130 --> 09:53.390] Wow. [09:53.610 --> 09:53.970] They're quick. [09:54.910 --> 09:57.050] Um, yeah, two weeks they formed a grand jury investigation. [09:57.650 --> 10:01.730] Um, in 1984, um, Bell was broken up by the federal government. [10:01.730 --> 10:05.650] And they wrote it into, oh, come on. [10:06.110 --> 10:08.830] I'm not, I, I did, Bell was a very romantic thing. [10:08.970 --> 10:10.430] And you're, we're moving back to it. [10:11.310 --> 10:12.810] I'm, I'm, I'm a telephone guy. [10:12.950 --> 10:14.990] I find, I find, you know, telephone systems romantic. [10:15.410 --> 10:16.570] It was, uh, broken up. [10:17.750 --> 10:18.870] Let's just grin on my wife. [10:19.290 --> 10:23.410] Um, it was broken up into seven regional Bell operating companies. [10:23.490 --> 10:25.270] And I actually have this beautiful map right here. [10:25.390 --> 10:28.810] But none of you can see it or read the labels, which I hand drawn myself. [10:28.810 --> 10:33.930] But, um, so, yeah, so it was broken up into seven companies. [10:34.170 --> 10:36.790] Um, there was actually two quasi-companies. [10:37.090 --> 10:40.910] Uh, Cincinnati Bell and Southern New England Telephone Company, which was, uh, Connecticut. [10:43.530 --> 10:47.850] Um, and they were not owned completely by the Bell system. [10:47.990 --> 10:50.730] So they're sort of their own independent thing back in 1984. [10:51.590 --> 10:56.690] Um, so everything puttered along until about 1997 when there was an orgy of acquisition. [10:57.090 --> 10:58.270] I always wanted to say that. [10:58.270 --> 11:07.890] Um, in 1997, uh, Southwestern Bell Corporation, otherwise known as SBC, uh, buys Pacific Telesis, which was in charge of California and Nevada. [11:08.090 --> 11:09.670] You would actually see this if I had my map up. [11:09.890 --> 11:16.750] But, um, in 1997 also, uh, NYNEX and Bell Atlantic merged and became Bell Atlantic, very original. [11:17.390 --> 11:23.250] Um, then SBC goes on a buying rampage and SBC buys Southern New England Telephone in 1998. [11:23.250 --> 11:30.890] And 1999 buys Ameritech, which was the, uh, Midwestern, uh, Upper Peninsula, uh, Illinois and all that stuff. [11:31.710 --> 11:40.030] Um, in 2000, uh, Quest was a, I believe they were a fiber optic company and they had lots of money due to the, uh, dot-com boom. [11:40.030 --> 11:42.130] And they said, hey, let's go buy a telephone company. [11:42.550 --> 11:44.890] And, uh, initiated a hostile takeover of U.S. [11:44.970 --> 11:47.470] West, which was a, a really bad thing. [11:47.550 --> 11:47.850] Because U.S. [11:48.050 --> 11:54.270] West really was a good telephone company and they, they were the first to roll out caller ID and DSL and a lot of stuff. [11:54.270 --> 11:59.850] And Quest is now in the hole for about an insane amount of money and is teetering on bankruptcy. [12:00.190 --> 12:03.530] Uh, also in 2000, uh, Bell Atlantic buys GTE. [12:03.690 --> 12:06.830] GTE was a, the largest independent in the United States. [12:07.350 --> 12:10.310] Um, they really didn't have a general area where they served. [12:10.390 --> 12:15.930] They're all over the place and they bought a lot of small companies, uh, back even in the 1960s when Bell was around. [12:15.930 --> 12:26.690] Um, so, Bell Atlantic bought them and became Verizon, which is Truth and Veritas and Horizon and some marketing major was paid lots of money to figure that out. [12:27.550 --> 12:35.150] Um, in 2002, the, uh, I, I can't remember when the FCC made their declaration that electrical mechanical switches had to go. [12:35.370 --> 12:36.690] I don't remember the exact year. [12:36.830 --> 12:44.530] But in 2002, the last, last electrical mechanical switch was a small step in a small town called Not Quebec, uh, was retired. [12:45.570 --> 12:46.350] Not Quebec. [12:46.610 --> 12:47.530] N-A, it's Quebec. [12:47.770 --> 12:48.070] It's French. [12:48.210 --> 12:49.350] They don't pronounce every letter. [12:49.870 --> 12:51.570] Uh, N-A-N-T-E-S. [12:51.890 --> 12:53.470] You'd be able to see this if I had my thing. [12:54.050 --> 12:59.570] Um, in 2005, um, you probably all remember this, SBC buys AT&T. [13:00.090 --> 13:03.610] And Verizon also buys MCI because they don't want to be caught with their pants down. [13:04.150 --> 13:08.810] Um, and so, SBC is now known as AT&T, or as I like to call them, SBC&T. [13:09.510 --> 13:17.650] Um, in 2006, um, AT&T, uh, they actually, this just happened, well, they announced it a while ago, but the shareholders just approved it yesterday. [13:18.270 --> 13:20.990] Um, SBC, or AT&T in this case, buys BellSouth. [13:21.150 --> 13:23.030] So now they're known as SBC&T South. [13:23.970 --> 13:26.150] Um, and also in 2006, I give this presentation. [13:27.010 --> 13:29.330] Um, yes. [13:34.040 --> 13:34.940] And then what happened? [13:35.360 --> 13:37.220] We, um, well, actually I have a prediction. [13:37.620 --> 13:40.460] Um, right now there are three major telephone companies left. [13:40.460 --> 13:42.460] Um, there's Verizon, which is NYNEX, Bell Atlantic. [13:43.920 --> 13:47.360] Um, and GTE, which is all over the place in little pockets. [13:47.960 --> 13:56.180] Um, Quest, which is essentially, uh, the Midwest, the mountains, not the Midwest, the mountain states, um, all the way over to Minnesota and all the way over to Washington. [13:56.600 --> 13:58.620] And then there's SBC, which is everything else. [13:58.960 --> 14:03.300] Um, you can see my little map again, which I did by hand, but you know, you can see it. [14:04.440 --> 14:07.040] Actually, I can probably disconnect this and turn it around when I need to. [14:08.500 --> 14:09.560] Leave it in, just in case. [14:09.720 --> 14:10.040] Oh, okay. [14:10.480 --> 14:13.880] Oh, we're, the technical support people are working around the clock. [14:15.740 --> 14:18.040] Um, so anyway, like I said, there's three remaining baby bills. [14:18.200 --> 14:19.400] There's Quest, which is US West. [14:19.820 --> 14:24.120] Uh, AT&T, which is Southwestern Bell Corporation, Pacific Telesis, Ameritech, and BellSouth. [14:24.940 --> 14:27.140] And Verizon, which is Bell Atlantic NYNEX and GTE. [14:27.560 --> 14:40.400] Um, there's a dwindling number of independent, um, what they call ILEX, which is independent local exchange carriers, which was, uh, a term formed in 1996 when they released the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which is a complete bullshit. [14:40.660 --> 14:45.600] But, um, they're slowly being gobbled up by the big people or just being folded. [14:46.040 --> 14:50.100] Um, there's now also something called SELEX, which are competitive local exchange carriers. [14:50.260 --> 14:53.360] And if you ever wanted to set up a telephone company, this is what you do. [14:53.580 --> 14:54.900] You, anyone can be a SELEC. [14:55.080 --> 15:01.360] I've seen SELEX that are power companies, SELEX which are cable companies, SELEX which are just bloody everything. [15:02.020 --> 15:05.580] Um, I, my parents have phone from Comcast. [15:05.740 --> 15:07.440] It is the worst thing ever. [15:07.660 --> 15:10.800] They can't, they, they, they say, oh yeah, we're a phone company. [15:10.900 --> 15:12.240] What they are is a VoIP company. [15:12.480 --> 15:14.300] And for those of you who don't know VoIP, voice over IP. [15:14.780 --> 15:18.860] Um, they can only use one phone at the same time or else the audio drops down to nothing. [15:19.460 --> 15:21.800] And this is essentially what SELEX are. [15:21.920 --> 15:23.800] They are fly-by-night companies for the most part. [15:23.880 --> 15:24.940] There's a couple of good ones. [15:24.940 --> 15:27.600] Um, let's see. [15:27.780 --> 15:27.980] Hmm? [15:28.580 --> 15:29.140] Try again? [15:29.380 --> 15:29.940] Yeah, try again. [15:30.120 --> 15:30.440] Okay. [15:34.740 --> 15:35.220] Nope. [15:37.660 --> 15:38.800] Blue screen of death, no. [15:39.520 --> 15:43.980] Um, and, um, essentially what, I think it could be me. [15:44.100 --> 15:45.720] So just, you know, I'll just read it. [15:45.800 --> 15:46.740] So just forget about it. [15:47.220 --> 15:53.000] Um, anyway, what was now phones is now this wonderful thing called telecommunications. [15:53.580 --> 15:55.340] And everything is telecommunications. [15:55.340 --> 15:56.620] It's their new wave of thing. [15:56.780 --> 15:59.480] And it sounds good on market reports and for the stock market people. [16:01.100 --> 16:02.600] Oh, anyway, so phones 101. [16:02.940 --> 16:06.740] And I have this wonderful graphic of showing you how a phone call goes through. [16:09.750 --> 16:10.790] It's kind of a, what? [16:12.090 --> 16:14.790] I have a laptop, but it's not going up to the projector. [16:17.130 --> 16:18.370] Slides will be on the Internet. [16:18.370 --> 16:19.610] I just don't have it right now. [16:20.330 --> 16:21.570] Because I thought this would work. [16:21.670 --> 16:22.370] I'm terribly sorry. [16:22.950 --> 16:24.310] I think it's fine. [16:24.930 --> 16:27.090] It's, it's the resolution, the resolution is low. [16:28.670 --> 16:29.130] No. [16:32.470 --> 16:34.450] Anyway, for those of you who don't see this, anyway. [16:34.730 --> 16:43.070] So, say for example, we are going to call a number in, are we discussing everything still? [16:43.350 --> 16:49.190] Um, say for example, we are calling a phone number in California, which is, um, one of my friends, Strom Carlson's favorite number. [16:49.550 --> 16:50.430] Gladstone for fish. [16:50.430 --> 16:54.310] It's a fish restaurant, and their phone number, back in the day, was GL4FISH. [16:55.190 --> 16:58.510] So, I pick up this phone, and actually, this is kind of wrong. [16:58.710 --> 16:59.790] I'm going to call... [17:05.200 --> 17:07.040] I always hate dialing with words. [17:11.120 --> 17:12.120] I'm a numbers person. [17:12.120 --> 17:12.680] What can I say? [17:19.030 --> 17:22.030] Okay, so, here's what happened in that short amount of time. [17:24.030 --> 17:25.270] Hey, I'm not going to talk to them. [17:25.370 --> 17:25.910] What do I want to say? [17:26.010 --> 17:27.910] Yeah, it's probably, it's 9am over there. [17:28.010 --> 17:28.470] They're all sleeping. [17:29.070 --> 17:37.850] Um, anyway, so what happened was, this phone actually went through a small PBX, probably at the Hotel Pennsylvania, which is connected to a number five electronic switching system. [17:37.850 --> 17:39.630] Um, the address, I forget. [17:39.790 --> 17:41.170] Somewhere in the general vicinity. [17:42.730 --> 17:43.610] 38th and... [17:44.350 --> 17:46.270] 38th and 7th, somewhere between 7th and 8th. [17:46.350 --> 17:47.530] You can go down there and check it out yourself. [17:48.090 --> 17:53.990] Um, that was connected probably, likely to AT&T, which is, has a large building downtown. [17:54.930 --> 17:55.410] Yes. [17:55.770 --> 17:56.390] Wall Street. [17:57.470 --> 18:05.650] Um, anyway, that was probably connected via, uh, we were connected to the switch probably by a T1 or a couple, or more than a few T1s, because this is a large hotel. [18:06.230 --> 18:14.470] Um, the 5ESS was probably connected to AT&T probably by either an OC, uh, 96, I don't know, what do I have written down here? [18:14.750 --> 18:17.830] Uh, probably an OC, uh, 12 or an OC3. [18:18.110 --> 18:26.910] Uh, the number 4ESS, which is what AT&T downtown, has a link probably directly to Los Angeles, because it's a major switching destination, which is probably OC 96. [18:27.290 --> 18:31.350] Uh, which adds another number 4ESS located in downtown Los Angeles. [18:32.050 --> 18:34.070] Um, also owned by AT&T. [18:34.450 --> 18:40.750] Now, um, from there they probably connected to another number 5ESS, because AT&T likes 5ESSs, because they made them. [18:41.310 --> 18:43.710] Um, which was a local routing destination. [18:43.910 --> 18:53.850] At which point the 5ESS connected to a Verizon switch, which is a GTD5, um, which was connected directly to GL4FISH. [18:54.150 --> 18:54.850] And their phone rang. [18:55.410 --> 18:58.870] And, um, that was a bunch of data packets, and could someone wake him up? [18:59.670 --> 19:00.250] Oh, hello. [19:02.150 --> 19:03.090] Yeah, I called him out. [19:03.650 --> 19:04.370] I love you. [19:06.990 --> 19:11.310] Um, it was probably connected to a, uh, spot of copper, and the phone rang. [19:11.430 --> 19:16.170] Now, all of this used to be done by in-band signaling, which was all kinds of beeps and switches and everything. [19:16.170 --> 19:19.430] But essentially, what this is right now is a giant data network. [19:19.750 --> 19:22.250] Um, just all optical carrier and digital carrier. [19:22.410 --> 19:26.550] Which was a bunch of flying packets called, uh, which is, uh, part of the signaling system 7. [19:27.310 --> 19:33.170] Um, and there's one that's called an IAM, which is initial, uh, action message, which flies across and connects everything up. [19:35.030 --> 19:37.050] So, that happens all in a split second. [19:38.030 --> 19:41.850] Um, now, now we're talking about 5ESSs and 4ESSs and 1ESSs. [19:41.850 --> 19:50.830] Um, a number 1 or a number 1AESS is, of everything, all of these with ESSs were made by Lucent, which was formerly Western Electric. [19:51.430 --> 19:56.290] Um, a 1ESS or a 1AESS is the last, um, electrical mechanical switch there. [19:56.470 --> 20:01.790] It's technically got out of the FCC, uh, jaws of death, uh, because it was computer controlled. [20:01.930 --> 20:03.250] And that's what they focused on. [20:03.690 --> 20:05.410] Um, there's only a few left. [20:05.510 --> 20:16.850] Mainly, if you're from Chicago and you go down to your more, uh, scary areas, as Strom put it, um, you can still hear it and you can, um, hear all kinds of nice clicks and clunks when you call somebody. [20:17.070 --> 20:22.810] It's, uh, as opposed to an electronic system like a number 5, which is just very subtle. [20:22.990 --> 20:25.990] I mean, because there's no switches being clicked back and forth. [20:26.650 --> 20:30.310] Um, a number 4ESS is the backbone of AT&T's telephone network. [20:30.430 --> 20:33.250] All their long-distance switches are number 4ESSs. [20:33.550 --> 20:44.850] Um, that's... and actually, they used to be just for long distance, but ever since they kind of started poking into... before the SBC merger, they started poking into local areas and actually started running dial tones off of them. [20:45.190 --> 20:45.610] Four wire? [20:45.770 --> 20:47.430] Um, four wire? [20:47.510 --> 20:50.350] I think they're... I don't know, actually, to be completely honest with you. [20:50.370 --> 20:51.510] Either four wire or two wire. [20:51.810 --> 20:52.990] That's the only two options. [20:53.710 --> 20:54.190] Yes. [20:54.850 --> 20:59.890] Um, number 5ESS is exactly, uh, only for end office use. [20:59.990 --> 21:05.390] They occasionally put ones for switching here and there, but it's mostly... they serve your dial tone. [21:05.390 --> 21:07.210] So when you pick it up, you're on a number 5ESS. [21:07.530 --> 21:17.010] Um, if you're... when you pick it up, you're probably on a number 5ESS if you, uh, have AT&T or, um, a lot of the older equipment. [21:17.710 --> 21:27.350] Um, GTE, which was now Verizon, they have a manufacturing... they had a manufacturing arm named Automatic Electric, and they developed a digital switch, um, called the GTD5. [21:28.010 --> 21:32.590] And, um, it's for end office use only, no toll capabilities whatsoever for tandeming. [21:33.810 --> 21:37.770] Um, and it's a very... it's... it's a weird switch. [21:37.970 --> 21:39.410] It does all kinds of odd things. [21:39.610 --> 21:46.610] Like, for example, if you ever spoof caller ID, um, you can actually set your name, and the GTD5 trusts it blindly. [21:46.790 --> 21:50.230] It doesn't actually look up who's calling and who officially is assigned the number. [21:50.390 --> 21:57.630] So, I could, um, send, you know, anything saying, you know, Bart Simpson calling from the White House, and it'll blindly trust it. [21:57.790 --> 22:05.950] Um, Nortel, which is a Northern Telecom, which is our, uh, Canadian company, uh, they make a lot of switches that, uh, I believe Verizon is trying to move a lot to. [22:06.030 --> 22:09.390] There's a DMS-500, which Verizon really doesn't use. [22:09.870 --> 22:12.070] Um, a lot of Celex are purchasing it. [22:12.170 --> 22:14.650] It does, uh, tandem end officeing. [22:14.790 --> 22:15.770] It does long distance. [22:16.010 --> 22:22.250] It does, um, something called UPnP, which is, uh, allowing other phone companies to sit off your switch. [22:22.490 --> 22:24.270] And, you know, you can charge them for that. [22:24.370 --> 22:29.630] It's part of the, um, you know, telecommunications act back then when you had to have all these Celex. [22:29.630 --> 22:31.810] Um, it does everything except your dishes. [22:32.110 --> 22:35.730] Uh, DMS-200, which is, uh, mostly for tandeming use. [22:35.850 --> 22:40.010] Occasionally you see it in end offices as well for large communities. [22:40.790 --> 22:47.610] Um, DMS-200 do something called TOPS, which is a total operating positioning system, which is, um, operator positions. [22:47.610 --> 22:48.790] And that's one of the... [22:48.790 --> 22:53.730] Well, that's the only currently, uh, manufactured solution for operators right now. [22:54.290 --> 22:57.490] Uh, DMS-100 is an end office switch only. [22:57.490 --> 22:59.250] It's what controls your dial tone. [22:59.770 --> 23:08.050] And also there's something called smaller, which is a DMS-10, which is for, you know, Poduck, Arizona, who only has about 500 customers, but wants to really have a new switch. [23:08.470 --> 23:13.270] Um, if you ever want to make your own phone company and you have, you know, $500,000, that's a switch for you. [23:14.570 --> 23:18.090] Um, I'll skip that because that's just a table and you need to see that. [23:18.770 --> 23:21.330] Basically it's just all kinds of switches and various numbers. [23:21.330 --> 23:28.870] If you ever want to see how many, uh, if you ever want to blow your mind to see how many, uh, voice conversations and OC 96 can handle, just look it up. [23:28.970 --> 23:45.430] It's like OC 96 will carry, uh, I'm sorry, OC 48 will carry 32,256 simultaneous voice conversations, which, and OC 768, when you start talking about major backbones, carries all the way up to 516,000 conversations, all at once simultaneously. [23:47.350 --> 23:47.990] Yeah, yeah. [23:48.650 --> 23:53.630] So, anyway, now that we've talked about a little telephone network and I bored yourself silly, let's go talk about phone phreaking. [23:54.510 --> 23:54.750] Yay! [23:56.290 --> 23:58.990] So, first, let's talk about our friend, the operator. [24:00.050 --> 24:00.690] Um, hmm? [24:03.550 --> 24:05.670] It's function F8 for me, but... [24:05.670 --> 24:07.750] Oh, wait, I'm not connected, am I... [24:11.380 --> 24:13.640] No, no, no, I disconnected when I hit the floor. [24:22.890 --> 24:24.110] It doesn't love me. [24:27.710 --> 24:28.550] Ah, I'm fine. [24:29.450 --> 24:30.410] That's just gonna kill time. [24:30.530 --> 24:31.290] Whatever, thanks a lot. [24:31.570 --> 24:32.950] Um, our friend, the operator. [24:33.610 --> 24:37.390] Um, something called op diverting, which essentially called... [24:37.390 --> 24:39.810] Oh, no, no, I got excited there for a second. [24:40.850 --> 24:41.270] Um... [24:43.710 --> 24:45.930] Yeah, it's function F8, I know how to... [24:45.930 --> 24:47.530] Apparently, it's probably because it's Linux. [24:47.790 --> 24:48.590] Linux sucks, no. [24:49.290 --> 24:50.870] Yeah, I just said it, didn't I? [24:50.870 --> 24:57.210] Um, anyway, so there's something called op diverting, which is essentially calling the operator and getting them to dial a number for you. [24:57.290 --> 25:05.130] And what that does is it looks like the phone call is coming from them, which blocks your caller ID, and, um, adds another step for... [25:05.130 --> 25:06.670] if someone wants to try to trace it back. [25:07.310 --> 25:16.990] Um, and also usually blocks something called calling party number, which is something, um, more down in the actual signaling network, um, for... [25:16.990 --> 25:19.570] It's, uh, basically a super caller ID in a way to do it. [25:20.070 --> 25:21.250] Um, there's two ways... [25:21.250 --> 25:25.450] There's one way of doing it, which is basically saying, I'm special, or I'm blind, or I'm... [25:25.450 --> 25:29.130] You actually can sometimes say, I'm deaf, and they're like, oh, oh, I'll dial that number for you. [25:30.730 --> 25:31.050] Um... [25:31.050 --> 25:39.330] Another way is just give them a sob story, saying, I called them up one day and actually said, oh, I'm having trouble dialing an 800 number, um, the 8 button is stuck on this pay phone. [25:39.410 --> 25:41.830] And she said, oh, okay, let me dial that for you, no problem. [25:41.830 --> 25:43.690] And it went right through and blocked my caller ID. [25:45.370 --> 25:46.090] Um, just... [25:46.090 --> 25:46.690] It's a... [25:46.690 --> 25:49.170] It's a nice basic way of just practicing your social engineering. [25:49.550 --> 25:51.950] Um, they can also route you to the carrier of your choice. [25:52.050 --> 25:55.410] Just call them up and say, hey, I'd like to use, you know, Joe Blow, a long distance company. [25:55.990 --> 26:00.110] And they will route you to it, because that's what they have to do, according to the federal law. [26:00.750 --> 26:07.010] Um, some coin phones, namely Verizon, I think also SBC does it, blocks local operators. [26:07.070 --> 26:12.370] If you press zero, it'll die for Verizon, at least much of what, um, SBC and T South does. [26:13.010 --> 26:15.610] Um, it actually dials a number in Texas. [26:16.330 --> 26:16.950] It, uh, it's... [26:16.950 --> 26:21.270] They cannot do all of this wonderful stuff to you, so you have to bypass the firmware somewhere. [26:21.550 --> 26:23.570] Um, there's a couple of ways of doing this. [26:23.730 --> 26:28.290] Um, one of which is, I'm trying to block your caller ID on a pay phone, which actually some switches Purdue. [26:28.810 --> 26:32.410] Um, I believe, uh, Royal, are you here? [26:33.850 --> 26:34.230] Royal! [26:34.490 --> 26:37.950] Royal's going to write an article on this at some point and tell you all the wonderful things. [26:37.950 --> 26:40.950] He did a lot of research for them, and, um, he's a really nice guy. [26:44.780 --> 26:52.080] Um, every switch, every place in the, uh, United States, when you have a telephone there, you have something called a central office. [26:52.680 --> 26:57.380] Um, every wire in your exchange, basically every phone, usually terminates into this office. [26:57.820 --> 26:58.200] Sort of. [26:58.560 --> 27:03.980] Uh, there's ways of multiplexing it, and there's some type of, uh, there's fiber optics things, if you're really out in the boondocks. [27:04.600 --> 27:06.040] Um, your switch is located here. [27:06.160 --> 27:06.720] It's a little building. [27:06.840 --> 27:08.180] It has your phone company logo on it. [27:08.180 --> 27:12.720] It's usually downtown, if you're in a small town, or it's just plopped out somewhere in your neighborhood. [27:13.300 --> 27:14.920] Um, it's very hard to get in. [27:15.300 --> 27:16.260] Uh, thank you, 9-11. [27:16.840 --> 27:18.240] Uh, the best way is just asked. [27:18.440 --> 27:22.340] Some way you can just go in and say, Hey, I'm thinking about becoming a phone company person. [27:22.540 --> 27:23.720] Can I see what you guys do? [27:23.840 --> 27:24.800] And they'll say, Oh, sure. [27:25.120 --> 27:29.120] Um, one of my friends actually did this, and he got to see the switch. [27:29.120 --> 27:32.100] Unfortunately, he got a large complaint about the union. [27:32.560 --> 27:34.440] So, you know, everyone has to pay their pound of flesh. [27:34.960 --> 27:38.080] Um, they're usually not manned like they once were. [27:38.200 --> 27:41.380] Back in the day, they used to be manned 24-7, because electronics things... [27:41.380 --> 27:41.780] Oh, I'm sorry. [27:42.100 --> 27:43.360] Electro-mechanical things break. [27:43.940 --> 27:49.160] Um, right now, they're usually manned, probably, maybe nine to five, possibly slightly longer. [27:49.380 --> 27:51.080] Um, I actually saw one of my switches. [27:51.560 --> 27:51.960] Everyone... [27:51.960 --> 27:53.640] I was sitting out front, and the switch... [27:53.640 --> 27:55.980] the shift ended, and everyone just went, whoosh, out. [27:56.700 --> 28:00.240] So, it was probably completely manned at that point, judging from the cars in the parking lot. [28:01.380 --> 28:03.240] Um, confs, party lines, and bridges. [28:03.560 --> 28:07.180] There's conference calls, and that's basically where everyone joins up. [28:07.240 --> 28:08.300] You're all talking to each other. [28:08.440 --> 28:09.240] You probably have... [28:09.240 --> 28:11.440] For those of you who might have worked, you might have participated in one of these. [28:11.800 --> 28:12.940] Phreaks have them all the time. [28:13.200 --> 28:17.880] Uh, for regular folks, there's a couple of free services that do it, and you have to sometimes listen to an ad. [28:18.460 --> 28:19.240] Um, there's... [28:19.240 --> 28:19.880] Pardon me. [28:20.060 --> 28:21.040] There's Mr. Conference. [28:21.320 --> 28:22.120] There's someplace... [28:22.120 --> 28:23.740] Something called talkie party lines. [28:24.240 --> 28:26.140] And there's also a couple other free services. [28:27.000 --> 28:28.700] Just ask around, or look in your... [28:28.700 --> 28:30.340] Actually, I've seen a couple of them in my yellow pages. [28:30.820 --> 28:33.120] Um, there's actually a couple of them that are phreak friendly. [28:33.280 --> 28:38.060] One of which is currently not working, Bell's mind, because there's, um, a rather dispute with his VoIP company. [28:38.180 --> 28:39.180] I think he was banned for life. [28:40.540 --> 28:40.900] Um... [28:40.900 --> 28:50.840] However, there's a wonderful project called Telephreak, which is telephreak.org, and they have their own voice bridge, and there's usually a lot of people on there in the, uh, wee hours of the morning. [28:51.740 --> 28:52.060] Um... [28:52.060 --> 28:55.180] You can also make your own, if you have asterisk, and you have some, uh, know-how. [28:55.360 --> 28:56.740] It's a module called Meet Me. [28:57.020 --> 28:58.100] You can set up... [28:58.100 --> 28:58.960] You can control it. [28:59.060 --> 29:02.320] You can, you know, ban certain people, kick people off the bridge, all through your telephone. [29:03.020 --> 29:03.220] Um... [29:03.220 --> 29:10.660] There's also a couple of programs out there that'll give you a nice little webpage, see where everyone's calling from, boot them, ban them, um, all through the comfort of your own home. [29:12.000 --> 29:12.320] Um... [29:12.320 --> 29:15.460] Something that I like to do, that I put into conversation, is called recording your own line. [29:16.020 --> 29:21.280] Now, recording your own line sounds kind of stupid, and you probably are thinking, why does he want to record this whole line? [29:21.340 --> 29:23.080] It'll cuss all our illegal activities. [29:23.340 --> 29:24.560] But we don't do that here, do we? [29:26.500 --> 29:26.860] Um... [29:26.860 --> 29:28.780] Why I like to record my line, I like to make conversation... [29:28.780 --> 29:32.480] I like to make recordings for preservation, because you never really know when things are going to change. [29:32.660 --> 29:37.860] I got really pissed off one day, when I heard on the morning news, that Verizon changed their 411 system. [29:38.040 --> 29:48.520] And all the recordings that I used to know, that were there for like, 10 years or so, were completely abrivoated into this wonderful, um, interactive voice response thing, done by, um... [29:48.520 --> 29:49.340] Tell me, thank you. [29:51.060 --> 29:51.380] Um... [29:51.380 --> 30:02.260] And, it's a nice system, but I completely missed the old one, because it had, uh, Pat, uh, Pat Fleet on there, which was, uh, one of the people you usually hear when you're, you know, your call did not go through, please try again. [30:03.480 --> 30:03.800] Um... [30:03.800 --> 30:11.880] You never really know when this is going to happen, and it's always fun, you know, just talk, tell people if you're going to record them, when you, you know, you're on a con for something, or record them separately, it's up to you. [30:12.440 --> 30:20.000] Um, I wouldn't remember, recommend making every record you make, record every call you make, because, you know, who wants to do that? [30:20.540 --> 30:21.660] Um, wiretapping laws. [30:22.040 --> 30:23.960] You are wiretapping, believe it or not. [30:24.340 --> 30:31.140] Uh, federal laws only require one person to know, however, your state laws, say like Massachusetts, require both parties to know on the conversation. [30:31.540 --> 30:38.660] So, if you're recording, I think if probably if you're recording over state lines, you know, you might come under federal jurisdiction, but who really knows at this point? [30:39.580 --> 30:42.500] Um, there's a couple of ways of picking up, uh, recording your line. [30:42.660 --> 30:45.780] Um, there's something called an induction pickup coil, which is made by RadioShack. [30:46.180 --> 30:49.660] Um, they say, put it on the back of the phone handset, and you'll record everything. [30:49.680 --> 30:50.660] You really can't do that. [30:50.720 --> 30:51.540] You're gonna sound like crap. [30:51.660 --> 30:55.140] What you need to do is you need to cram it up to the receiver, which is the part where you put your rear. [30:55.660 --> 30:59.920] Um, uh, it's really good for dynamics and sound quality. [31:00.160 --> 31:08.160] Um, however, it's really annoying holding that there for an extended period of time, and you can't use it near your computer or monitor, because it picks up every little bit of RF noise. [31:08.880 --> 31:13.260] Um, there's something called an inline line recorder, which goes between your handset and your telephone. [31:13.660 --> 31:15.040] Um, it's very easy to use. [31:15.280 --> 31:21.020] Um, Um, and it's not as good as a, uh, recorder. [31:21.860 --> 31:23.840] I'm sorry, it's not as good as an induction pickup coil. [31:24.040 --> 31:29.660] And finally, there's something called an inline recorder, which, in, telephone line recorder, which goes between your phone and the wall. [31:29.920 --> 31:31.140] Um, it's very easy to use. [31:31.260 --> 31:31.980] However, it sucks. [31:34.120 --> 31:34.480] Yeah. [31:37.140 --> 31:40.640] Yeah, well, it, it, you still have the suction cup and you can pop it on the back. [31:40.860 --> 31:43.120] However, the problem is that the, it sucks. [31:43.120 --> 31:44.560] You need to cram it up against the receiver. [31:44.940 --> 31:49.300] It, the, the, the suction cup is there and that's how they tell you to use it, but disregard it and use it your own way. [31:50.340 --> 31:55.760] Um, there's something called silly codes, which is stands for a common language identifier. [31:56.380 --> 31:59.980] And, um, identifies almost every piece of equipment on the telephone network. [32:00.680 --> 32:05.860] There's, um, switches, some, some customer premise equipment, cell phone towers, routers. [32:06.140 --> 32:11.220] Um, if you actually do a trace router at Verizon, sometimes you'll see one as a, uh, router name or something. [32:12.100 --> 32:14.940] Um, they, they're very cryptic. [32:15.060 --> 32:22.820] Like for example, there's one, my, my next door town, back when I was living in Boston, uh, was called, uh, Lynn, Massachusetts. [32:23.220 --> 32:27.600] Uh, and this thing is called L Y N N M A C H D S one. [32:28.000 --> 32:30.120] Now, if you look at that, it looks like a bunch of alphabet soup. [32:30.120 --> 32:31.680] However, it does follow a very thing. [32:32.380 --> 32:34.720] L Y N N, Lynn, M A, Massachusetts. [32:35.280 --> 32:38.900] CH is actually a building identifier, which in this case is city hall square. [32:39.260 --> 32:42.820] Um, and DS one actually does not stand for digital switch one. [32:42.980 --> 32:46.420] It stands for digital switch two, because they began counting at zero, like same people. [32:48.160 --> 32:58.520] there's also another one in Boston called B S T N M A B E D S zero, which boss B S T N, Boston, M A, Massachusetts, B E, Belvedere street, DS zero, digital switch one. [32:58.820 --> 33:00.800] Um, there's also a couple other equipment codes. [33:00.920 --> 33:04.260] There's like, you know, a number MD, which is usually a cell phone switch. [33:04.980 --> 33:12.300] RS number, which stands for remote switch, which is sort of like a mini switch that has to be, um, connected to a full fledged switch in order to work. [33:12.720 --> 33:19.240] Um, CG, which stands for, which is usually an electrical mechanical, like a one A or one, one or a one A E S S. [33:19.360 --> 33:28.560] Um, it would be like, you know, CG zero, um, MG, which is cross bar, which was an old mechanical system, which is no longer in use except in some foreign countries. [33:30.140 --> 33:33.800] and also sometimes you'll see, you know, number number T, which stands for tandem. [33:34.000 --> 33:44.800] Like for example, L W R N M A C O S three T, which is Lawrence mass canal street, tandem number three, which is a long distance, local, local toll tandem in Lawrence, Massachusetts. [33:45.540 --> 33:53.680] Um, however, there's always comes kinds of strange things like, um, B S T N M A H A nine three six, which is the local weather number in Boston. [33:54.460 --> 34:01.240] Um, and then there's like, also another fun thing is they didn't actually plan to have this many telephone pieces, tell pieces of equipment on telephone network. [34:01.400 --> 34:06.780] So Boston is also B S T N and B S T O because they increased the end by one. [34:06.780 --> 34:11.660] So for example, Nextel has a switch B S T O M A R one six M D. [34:12.920 --> 34:14.480] So just keep that in mind. [34:14.600 --> 34:15.980] If you're looking for your local telephone switch. [34:17.940 --> 34:20.920] So VoIP, VoIP is the next big thing coming. [34:21.060 --> 34:22.200] It's actually, it's already here. [34:22.720 --> 34:24.540] Um, everyone's sort of lusting over this. [34:24.660 --> 34:33.720] If you're a telephone company, uh, there's voice over Internet protocol, multimedia over Internet protocol, TV over Internet protocol, you know, protocols over Internet protocol. [34:33.720 --> 34:39.040] Um, VoIP, no matter what anyone says, like Vonage, um, is not a telephone. [34:39.980 --> 34:40.340] Ooh. [34:41.280 --> 34:43.340] Um, sure it seems that way, but it really isn't. [34:43.480 --> 34:47.160] Um, it's less reliable, it has a higher mean chain between failures, and it's just different. [34:47.320 --> 34:48.360] Like for example, 911. [34:48.820 --> 34:56.280] There was a big thing, enough that the FCC had to legislate it, that VoIP had to support 911 because people were dying on 911 and getting an error message. [34:56.780 --> 35:00.240] So, yeah, that's, that would be a bit inconvenient, wouldn't it? [35:01.080 --> 35:05.020] Um, the one thing about VoIP is that there's little overhead, therefore, there is little cost. [35:05.160 --> 35:08.420] Like for example, unlimited telephone long distance for $25 a month. [35:09.000 --> 35:16.260] Um, however, telephone companies are catching on to this, and since they've been able to afford this for years, they just haven't told you, uh, they're lowering their prices. [35:16.520 --> 35:21.140] Like for example, I think Verizon has unlimited long distance to the U.S. 48 for $35 a month. [35:22.100 --> 35:33.060] Um, VoIP is basically essentially the same way, um, a telephone call goes through, except you're connecting to an Internet server, and that Internet server probably has, uh, drops into the telephone network at some point. [35:33.260 --> 35:37.960] So, say if I were calling Gladstone again, I would call them up, they would connect out to the Internet server. [35:38.340 --> 35:49.120] Um, depending how big my telephone, my VoIP company was, they may pop it out somewhere in, you know, maybe Arizona where telephones are cheap, and they would only have to pay for the call between Arizona and Los Angeles. [35:49.980 --> 35:52.420] So, as opposed to having to pay for the whole way. [35:53.440 --> 35:55.340] Uh, why is VoIP so cool? [35:56.420 --> 36:04.080] VoIP would, you know, you can basically bring your home line to, uh, your work, your school, um, your local drinking establishment, or HOPE 2008. [36:04.300 --> 36:04.420] Hey. [36:05.160 --> 36:06.920] Um, you can be your own telephone company. [36:07.020 --> 36:11.340] I put a presentation last year at DEFCON with Strom Carlson called Be Your Own Telephone Company with Asterisk. [36:11.600 --> 36:12.800] Asterisk is a wonderful program. [36:12.800 --> 36:16.540] You have your own soft PBX, and, it's a Swiss Army knife. [36:16.680 --> 36:18.000] You can do anything you want with it. [36:18.540 --> 36:29.440] Um, plus, I mean, it really works around here, possibly, but, like, not, for example, if you're in the middle of nowhere, if you have one of these VoIP telephones that are wireless, you have a quasi-cell phone as long as you have coverage. [36:29.900 --> 36:36.000] And, for around here, I mean, you're picking up 200 cell, uh, you know, 200 Wi-Fi access points in a short period of time, you're all set. [36:37.080 --> 36:45.420] Um, there's four, like, major players that I know of that are pretty, you know, major, um, in the consumer VoIP chains. [36:45.520 --> 36:49.220] There's Vonage, which is dying a slow death, thank God, I can't stand their commercials. [36:49.760 --> 37:02.820] Um, Broad Voice, which is a company somewhere in Massachusetts, I believe, reliable, and they have a telephone, um, number to call for support, however, don't expect them to answer, they hide under their desk, any type of major outage. [37:03.300 --> 37:08.700] Um, my phone number for them haven't worked for months, and I've been trying to get a refund from them, and they're not playing ball. [37:09.380 --> 37:13.060] Um, and like a schmuck, I keep paying them, but anyway, they have good rates. [37:13.500 --> 37:16.060] Um, they, I'll pay them, whatever. [37:16.480 --> 37:20.760] I don't, no one calls me on the bloody thing, Pulse, which is a company. [37:20.960 --> 37:28.900] Um, they're a pretty solid company, they have two things, they have a more business orientated service, which is, works well with Asterisk, and a VoIP, and a consumer one. [37:29.080 --> 37:32.440] I used a consumer one for about a half a year, I was very satisfied with them. [37:33.060 --> 37:37.800] Um, I just gave it up because I wasn't using them as much as I wanted, and I wanted more control. [37:38.900 --> 37:40.900] packet eight, unreliable snakes, don't use them. [37:42.060 --> 37:53.160] Um, for phone phreaks, there's two major programs, there's Asterisk, or if you want to play with VoIP, it's, it runs on Linux, it's Asterisk.org, um, it's a gold standard right now, everyone's trying to play catch up to them. [37:53.460 --> 38:00.960] there's something on the market called SIP Express Router, which is, uh, Iptel.org, slash, S-E-R, and Asterisk is Asterisk.org. [38:01.760 --> 38:06.140] Um, SIP Express Router is a high performance, configurable, free SIP server, whatever the hell that is. [38:06.540 --> 38:09.840] Um, I would, I would hope every SIP server is configurable. [38:10.320 --> 38:11.580] Um, a lot of the big boys use this. [38:11.660 --> 38:13.720] For example, I believe Broadvoice uses this program. [38:14.880 --> 38:15.760] Take that as you will. [38:16.100 --> 38:18.640] Um, however, it's dependency hell. [38:18.720 --> 38:24.340] I tried to compile it via the source, and, you know, you need to find this program. [38:24.600 --> 38:24.720] Okay. [38:25.120 --> 38:25.920] You need to go to this library. [38:26.100 --> 38:26.320] Okay. [38:26.540 --> 38:28.060] Well, this library needs this other library. [38:28.780 --> 38:31.460] And I did this for about a week, and I finally just stopped. [38:32.900 --> 38:35.620] Myths, and myths, I didn't know I was going to say that. [38:35.760 --> 38:38.500] Myths, and no, incorrect urban legends. [38:41.120 --> 38:44.340] So, one box, two box, Red Box, Blue Box. [38:44.500 --> 38:47.100] There are only three types of boxes. [38:47.480 --> 38:49.780] There's red, there's blue, and there's black. [38:50.240 --> 38:51.260] These are not boxes. [38:51.260 --> 38:56.060] Beige, Silver, Blotto, every other godforsaken box there is out there. [38:57.360 --> 38:58.180] Not boxes? [38:58.380 --> 38:59.120] Surely I just. [38:59.340 --> 38:59.960] No, I'm not kidding. [39:00.700 --> 39:01.520] Um, Silver Box. [39:01.700 --> 39:07.460] Silver Box is nothing more than a 16-digit Touch-Tone designed for AUTOVON, which was the military telephone network back in the day. [39:09.240 --> 39:11.120] Shorts, hell, my ham radio does this. [39:11.560 --> 39:13.260] Um, busy box, shorts out of line. [39:13.260 --> 39:14.960] Give me a piece of water and I can do this for you. [39:15.900 --> 39:17.220] beige box, taps align. [39:17.480 --> 39:19.140] This was okay back in 1984. [39:19.400 --> 39:22.260] You couldn't find, you didn't have eBay, so you had to make do with what you do. [39:22.480 --> 39:25.860] Go on eBay, search for lineman's handset, you'll come up with tons of stuff. [39:26.060 --> 39:27.400] And some of which are actually good deals. [39:28.400 --> 39:29.480] Um, blotto box. [39:29.920 --> 39:31.500] Oh, the blotto box. [39:31.720 --> 39:33.740] Who the, who came up with this? [39:34.020 --> 39:35.100] I want to smack them. [39:35.420 --> 39:38.620] Allegedly, it was originally one of those, oh, let's go fool the skinny tricks. [39:38.880 --> 39:41.280] However, then started people saying, oh, I did this. [39:41.500 --> 39:42.820] And then started people believing them. [39:44.060 --> 39:44.880] What does it do? [39:45.060 --> 39:46.040] Blow out your area code. [39:46.200 --> 39:46.800] Blow out your exchange. [39:47.040 --> 39:47.680] Blow out your telephone. [39:47.920 --> 39:48.360] Who knows? [39:49.120 --> 39:49.740] Doesn't work. [39:49.880 --> 39:50.260] Never will. [39:50.820 --> 39:53.780] the phone system was robust enough that it could handle anything and then some. [39:54.720 --> 39:57.040] Evan doorbell, one of the phone phreaks, phone trips.org. [39:57.500 --> 40:05.420] Um, actually, if you listen to his 914 tape, which he just Blue Boxes around, he does something called juicing your line, which is exactly what blotto box is supposed to do. [40:05.640 --> 40:08.600] Connect your AC power line to your telephone line. [40:08.780 --> 40:09.820] The switch handled it. [40:09.820 --> 40:12.340] It basically just gave him a free ticket to the telephone network. [40:12.660 --> 40:15.920] Um, if you have an electronic switching system, he tried this. [40:16.100 --> 40:20.520] It isolated his line as a correctly, um, said, oh God, there's power on this line. [40:20.700 --> 40:21.820] I better shut it down. [40:22.060 --> 40:24.980] And he had to call repair service and hopefully they didn't ask any questions. [40:25.680 --> 40:34.440] Um, at most, if you had a very like, you know, stupid phone company, it would require, it would cause a fire on the distribution frame, which is where all the wires go to. [40:34.900 --> 40:36.260] Um, so it's dangerous. [40:36.280 --> 40:36.800] It's bad. [40:36.980 --> 40:37.380] It was stupid. [40:37.580 --> 40:38.240] I don't know who did. [40:39.840 --> 40:47.640] Sometimes, I actually did, heard, hear a story where it, a fire did thing from some type of, I, I can't, I don't know what the story is. [40:47.980 --> 40:49.140] It shouldn't be able to, no. [40:49.420 --> 40:51.820] Um, um, the real boxes. [40:52.000 --> 40:53.400] A Blue Box, which we talked about. [40:53.560 --> 40:54.940] It's also known as an MF-er. [40:55.420 --> 40:57.940] Um, it was used to create the master tones to control the long distance network. [40:58.200 --> 41:03.920] Black box was used to convince the, uh, switch that your line is still ringing, although you have it off the hook, so you wouldn't get charged. [41:04.240 --> 41:06.200] Or your, sorry, your calling party wouldn't get charged. [41:06.720 --> 41:07.520] Doesn't work anymore. [41:08.340 --> 41:10.320] Red Box is used to create ACTS tones. [41:11.560 --> 41:13.200] Um, yes. [41:13.480 --> 41:15.120] Uh, Blue Box, you can't Blue Box anymore. [41:15.260 --> 41:15.960] Everyone says this. [41:16.320 --> 41:19.120] there's one place left in the United States that you can Blue Box. [41:19.120 --> 41:19.840] I'm not going to tell you. [41:20.000 --> 41:20.680] Figure it out yourself. [41:21.680 --> 41:21.960] Nah. [41:22.760 --> 41:23.420] It's in Alaska. [41:23.440 --> 41:24.120] I'll give you a hint. [41:25.000 --> 41:29.240] Um, it can't be, it can't low, can no longer be used for toll fraud. [41:29.720 --> 41:31.080] Um, hold on for one second. [41:31.160 --> 41:31.960] We'll tell, we'll give you that. [41:32.340 --> 41:35.220] Um, there used to be a line in Wauia, Minnesota. [41:35.440 --> 41:39.400] However, Quest retired this last month in 6-15-2006. [41:40.180 --> 41:44.760] Um, thankfully some of those places are not as high tech as the good old US of A. [41:44.980 --> 41:45.340] Venezuela. [41:45.800 --> 41:50.260] If you call up City Bank Venezuela at 800-5, uh, actually didn't have that number correctly. [41:50.480 --> 41:52.040] I was calling 5-5-5-2-3-6-8. [41:52.220 --> 41:52.860] That's not right. [41:53.240 --> 41:57.900] If you listen to default radio 13 or you Google City Bank Venezuela, um, it'll give you the phone number. [41:58.660 --> 41:59.500] default radio number 13. [41:59.500 --> 42:03.080] If you go to textfiles.com, um, they did this on the show. [42:03.420 --> 42:04.980] Um, you can't Red Box anymore. [42:05.240 --> 42:06.260] First, didn't you read my article? [42:06.420 --> 42:07.560] It was in the last month's 2600. [42:09.000 --> 42:11.800] AT&T is no longer Red Boxable because they retired it in 2000. [42:12.100 --> 42:16.360] Apparently, everyone thinks that this is, this makes everyone else immune to this. [42:16.880 --> 42:19.200] Verizon, Quest, SBC are all vulnerable to this. [42:20.080 --> 42:21.620] I used to say local tow calls only. [42:21.740 --> 42:25.600] However, I found a way to Red Box anywhere in the United States for a dollar and five cents. [42:26.060 --> 42:28.360] Well, theoretically a dollar and five cents. [42:28.620 --> 42:31.060] Um, off the phones in the back hallway. [42:31.880 --> 42:37.740] You dial, you dial, you dial the, you dial something that would give you a dial, a real, a real dial tone as opposed to a pay phone dial tone. [42:38.100 --> 42:40.400] And it would forge you to the ACTS system. [42:40.580 --> 42:45.680] And I could call anywhere I want and it would accept my money and merrily route my call, which technically they're not supposed to do. [42:48.380 --> 42:49.140] Captain Crunch. [42:49.500 --> 42:51.460] Everyone thinks Captain Crunch invented phreaking. [42:52.540 --> 42:52.940] Right? [42:53.220 --> 42:53.500] No. [42:54.100 --> 42:54.440] Yes. [42:55.020 --> 42:56.720] Um, this is one of my pet peeves. [42:56.800 --> 42:57.480] I like Captain Crunch. [42:57.620 --> 42:58.320] He's a very nice guy. [42:58.320 --> 43:00.600] Um, Captain Crunch is not the end all be all of phreaking. [43:01.180 --> 43:03.980] Joe Engressia, Mark Brené, Evan Doorbell, and the rest of the group Bell. [43:04.260 --> 43:08.280] Bill from New York, Al Brené, Denny from San Jose, and there's many others. [43:08.980 --> 43:16.920] Hackers by Steven Levy, 1962 MIT, people in the MIT AI lab, had their PDP-8 hooked up and Blue Boxing on the telephone network. [43:17.720 --> 43:22.700] Um, and Joe Engressia, or Joybubbles, reported Off The Hook that someone was messing around with the phones in the 1920s. [43:23.900 --> 43:26.760] Um, the other, another one thing is tracing takes time. [43:26.760 --> 43:30.780] Most people tend to know about this, that this is no longer true, thanks to the NSA. [43:31.780 --> 43:34.400] 99% of the time, you've been traced before the phone starts ringing. [43:34.900 --> 43:38.280] Um, all they need to do is slog through the logs, or call down in Fort Meade. [43:39.040 --> 43:41.720] Um, surprise, Hollywood did not get it right. [43:43.700 --> 43:47.500] Um, ANAC, ringbacks, okay, this is a stupid phone tricks. [43:47.780 --> 43:52.120] I'm trying, I'm kind of running low on time, and I don't think I'll be able to take questions, but I will try to dial a few numbers for you. [43:52.820 --> 43:54.160] ANAC, ringbacks, and test lines. [43:54.300 --> 43:56.160] ANAC stands for Automated Number Announcement Circuit. [43:56.340 --> 43:59.080] Basically, you call it, and it announces your number. [43:59.580 --> 44:02.840] Um, I can't do it on this phone, it's connected to a PBX, I tried, I'm terribly sorry. [44:03.300 --> 44:05.560] Boy, we're just having nothing but technical difficulties, are we? [44:05.560 --> 44:12.660] Uh, ringback, what it does, is it ringbacks the calling circuit, it actually applies the voltage on your actual physical circuit. [44:13.240 --> 44:23.020] Um, doesn't matter if you have incoming service, there's no incoming service on any telephone, any pay phone in Boston, any telephone in Boston, yeah, right, any pay phone in Boston, however, I can call the ringback and make it ring if it had the bell inside. [44:23.640 --> 44:24.400] Some of them don't. [44:24.960 --> 44:29.300] Um, there are numbers, these numbers switch by, of, work by every telephone company. [44:29.360 --> 44:36.220] If you're in New York, ANAC is either 958 or 990, um, ringback is 660, plus your seven digit phone number. [44:37.260 --> 44:38.340] I don't know, here it's not? [44:38.500 --> 44:40.820] Oh, okay, I'm going... [44:40.820 --> 44:43.800] Yeah, 95, I know 958 works, I haven't tested 660 yet. [44:44.620 --> 44:47.080] AT&T hides disaster messages on every switch. [44:47.420 --> 45:03.060] If you dial one, plus an area code, plus 959, and usually somewhere in the 6900 to 6925 range, um, they, uh, play, you know, due to the mudslide and the area you are calling, your call cannot go through. [45:03.700 --> 45:08.280] Um, well, it's, it's usually 9900 to 9925. [45:08.600 --> 45:10.860] Anything above 25, you usually don't find anything. [45:12.700 --> 45:18.920] Yeah, nine, five, nine, six, nine, six, or xx, or xx is usually zero to 25. [45:19.160 --> 45:23.130] Well, nine, five, two, three out. [45:23.250 --> 45:23.530] Yeah. [45:24.850 --> 45:25.250] Yeah. [45:26.990 --> 45:31.810] Um, if you don't, you need to have AT&T as your long distance provider. [45:31.990 --> 45:35.870] If you don't have it, dial 1010-288 and the telephone number. [45:36.350 --> 45:37.930] Um, none of these actually charge you. [45:38.310 --> 45:40.110] Just be careful and don't dial Hawaii. [45:40.110 --> 45:41.430] That's an actual assigned exchange. [45:41.610 --> 45:43.910] Make sure your exchange is not assigned to where you're dialing. [45:45.890 --> 45:46.770] who's your phone company? [45:46.970 --> 45:51.350] Just dial 700-4141 and it'll say, thank you for using whatever. [45:51.990 --> 45:53.530] Um, who's your long distance provider? [45:54.250 --> 45:56.110] Uh, 700-555-4141. [45:56.910 --> 45:59.650] It'll say, you know, thank you for using so and so for your long distance. [45:59.650 --> 46:05.030] Uh, some companies actually block this and some people actually, some companies assign this prefix. [46:05.710 --> 46:13.770] Um, somebody had a cell phone with their, um, 700 as their exchange and someone I knew could not Kyle them because their phone company blocked it. [46:14.370 --> 46:14.870] Oops. [46:16.230 --> 46:18.190] Um, spoofing caller ID. [46:18.950 --> 46:22.550] Basically, this is limited to asterisk and or voice over IP only. [46:22.690 --> 46:26.810] Unless you have a $1500 primary rate interface, which you probably don't. [46:26.930 --> 46:27.410] Sorry, kids. [46:27.410 --> 46:30.350] Um, simple scripts are available online for asterisks. [46:30.450 --> 46:32.490] You can actually do this in your asterisk dial plan. [46:33.190 --> 46:39.470] Sometimes depending on your VOIP company, you can do either your calling party number or your charger number, which is the billing number. [46:40.110 --> 46:44.210] Gray area talked about this in 2600 two magazines ago, I believe. [46:44.470 --> 46:45.530] Toll fraud is lame. [46:45.650 --> 46:46.110] Don't do it. [46:46.890 --> 46:48.310] Uh, the feds are not digging this. [46:48.550 --> 46:49.270] Watch your cornhole. [46:50.970 --> 46:54.110] Um, if you're still interested, I have a bunch of websites for you. [46:54.410 --> 46:57.190] Um, come and talk to me and I can show you this one thing. [46:57.190 --> 46:57.910] You can write it down. [46:59.010 --> 46:59.250] Shouts. [46:59.390 --> 47:02.250] I like to send shouts out to StankDawg, NotTheory, Natus, and the rest of the DDP. [47:02.650 --> 47:05.410] Also, Strom Carlson, and Decoder, who's gone but not forgotten. [47:06.050 --> 47:11.290] Uh, Boston 2600, the BinRev forums, BinRev Radio, every Tuesday at 9.30, I'll be doing it again. [47:11.290 --> 47:15.190] Um, and Mrs. Ratchet, who let me come here immediately after her honeymoon. [47:22.960 --> 47:25.640] Okay, let me just dial a couple of telephone numbers for you here. [47:26.280 --> 47:27.000] What suggestion? [47:27.180 --> 47:30.220] You might put the data up on the 2600. [47:31.080 --> 47:32.400] I might put it up on the wiki. [47:32.780 --> 47:32.860] Um, and actually, because I rebooted, I lost my network connection. [47:44.890 --> 47:48.430] So, okay, we can take, oh, go ahead and talk Mr. Crunch, or Captain Crunch. [47:48.590 --> 47:49.290] I have something of interest. [47:50.290 --> 47:51.590] For 11 bucks a month. [48:00.000 --> 48:00.960] Crap on for the couch. [48:01.260 --> 48:02.400] Okay, I got it. [48:02.920 --> 48:14.700] Uh, I'm running a Mac, uh, G4, PBX, I'm using, uh, voice pulse for incoming, and a VOIP stunt, for outgoing, and I can call 18 countries, for free, for 11 bucks a month. [48:15.480 --> 48:27.940] One other thing I want to point out is that, on the 18th of June, a phone company, in, somewhere in the Midwest, contacted me, and invited me, to use their last N1 carrier, Blue Boxable trunk. [48:28.160 --> 48:28.840] Were we in Minnesota? [48:29.120 --> 48:29.580] Which we're talking about. [48:29.620 --> 48:32.300] I gratefully declined, because in California, they are still illegal. [48:33.260 --> 48:33.700] Okay. [48:33.920 --> 48:35.680] So anyway, let's go dial a couple of numbers. [48:35.920 --> 48:37.340] Um, this is called a verification number. [48:37.440 --> 48:39.820] It actually has on, a lot of New York switches have this. [48:49.650 --> 48:57.350] Welcome to the Congress DMS-100 central office, using codes 268, 267, 261, and 979. [48:57.950 --> 48:59.670] Welcome to the Congress DMS-100. [48:59.810 --> 49:01.190] And it repeats on and on and on again. [49:01.970 --> 49:03.190] Um, here's another phone number. [49:03.550 --> 49:07.090] I'm actually, I got most of these numbers from Decoder, um, one of his text files. [49:07.090 --> 49:08.350] It's on old school phreak. [49:15.280 --> 49:20.140] Excuse me, please deposit five cents for the next two minutes, or your call will be terminated. [49:20.560 --> 49:21.340] This is a recording. [49:21.420 --> 49:26.320] Personally, I liked, I have one of these numbers, and whenever I don't want to be disturbed, I like to forward my number to it. [49:26.540 --> 49:27.540] This is a recording. [49:28.240 --> 49:30.140] It really blows people's minds. [49:35.370 --> 49:36.890] Um, let's see what else I can find. [49:36.970 --> 49:37.270] Hold on. [49:38.670 --> 49:41.790] I actually had all these written down, but when I rebooted, it did not save. [49:42.010 --> 49:42.950] So, I'm terribly sorry. [49:42.950 --> 49:45.710] This has just turned into a horrible, uh, experience. [49:51.410 --> 49:53.350] While we're here, let me go dial another phone number for you. [49:53.710 --> 49:57.630] Actually, it's something called a milliwatt, so actually, no, I probably won't want to dial that here. [49:57.710 --> 49:58.690] It'll probably blow out the speakers. [50:14.950 --> 50:15.750] We're sorry. [50:16.050 --> 50:21.590] The long distance company access code you dialed must be preceded by the digits 9-5-0. [50:22.050 --> 50:24.130] Please hang up and try your call again. [50:24.850 --> 50:28.830] Okay, just so everyone knows, Elvis is alive as well, and is working for Verizon. [50:38.450 --> 50:39.550] I love this number. [50:39.990 --> 50:42.250] You have reached the 77th Street DMS-100. [50:42.530 --> 50:53.010] Serving codes 238-439-492-567-630-680-745-748-833-836-921. [50:53.310 --> 50:54.150] Thank you very much. [50:58.910 --> 51:05.170] Alright, I actually, because we couldn't actually dial them here, I actually have some of the AT&T messages on my laptop. [51:05.670 --> 51:07.030] I just need to find them. [51:08.410 --> 51:09.570] One, two, three. [51:10.070 --> 51:11.950] I actually don't know which one this is. [51:18.380 --> 51:20.320] This is off the LA number 4 ESS. [51:25.480 --> 51:30.180] Due to the earthquake in the area you are calling, your call cannot be completed at this time. [51:30.180 --> 51:31.160] They probably use that one a lot down there. [51:31.160 --> 51:32.280] Please try your call later. [51:32.540 --> 51:33.580] Zero, four, five T. [51:34.140 --> 51:36.220] Alright, I have a bunch more of these. [51:36.360 --> 51:38.560] They're all on my website, blackratchet.org. [51:39.020 --> 51:40.880] I'll probably make a show where everyone can get there. [51:41.640 --> 51:42.000] Questions? [51:46.450 --> 51:50.930] I will try to put them up by immediately after this presentation, after I take questions. [51:52.050 --> 51:53.850] Terribly sorry that no one can actually see them. [52:00.210 --> 52:00.650] Alright. [52:01.370 --> 52:08.090] I remember two or three years ago somebody in, I live in Queens, somebody at the central office that I live in showed me the central office. [52:09.130 --> 52:12.250] You could really get into a lot of central offices before 9-11. [52:12.470 --> 52:13.550] They were pretty friendly about it. [52:13.930 --> 52:15.530] Can you talk about toll... [52:16.630 --> 52:22.310] Drake's Bay, California has this thing called, you can't call it directly, it's a toll station. [52:22.710 --> 52:24.910] Yeah, there's a couple of numbers like that. [52:25.130 --> 52:26.570] There are still these days? [52:26.810 --> 52:27.250] Oh yeah. [52:27.570 --> 52:28.630] How about the next person? [52:29.410 --> 52:31.610] Is there any more step switches in the United States? [52:31.690 --> 52:35.210] No, there's no more electronic, electrical mechanical switches in the U.S. [52:35.810 --> 52:36.570] Next victim. [52:36.910 --> 52:37.350] Okay. [52:38.370 --> 52:39.050] Alright. [52:39.850 --> 52:43.630] If some VYP peering is, you know, such a... [52:43.630 --> 52:44.630] I can't hear you. [52:48.110 --> 52:49.750] Just yell really loud. [52:50.250 --> 52:50.610] Okay.