Off The Hook - 1988-10-07
[00:05.930 --> 00:10.890]  [SPEAKER_24]: And Lyndon Johnson and his Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, were hesitant.
[00:11.690 --> 00:12.730]  [SPEAKER_24]: McNamara understood.
[01:51.480 --> 01:53.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: This is WBAI in New York.
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[01:57.480 --> 02:02.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: We will be getting to Off the Hook in just a few minutes, the program about telephones.
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[02:03.700 --> 02:05.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: This is WBAI in New York.
[03:45.450 --> 03:49.510]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'll meet you at your house at the quarters of your head.
[03:50.390 --> 03:51.630]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, baby.
[03:52.890 --> 03:55.650]  [SPEAKER_06]: Baby, baby, just get out something.
[03:56.790 --> 03:57.790]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh, yeah.
[03:58.510 --> 04:02.270]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, we gonna rock it, rock it, rock it, rock it, tonight.
[04:05.490 --> 04:08.530]  [SPEAKER_19]: We gonna rock it, rock it, rock it, tonight.
[04:08.530 --> 04:21.630]  [SPEAKER_02]: Tonight, we gonna rock it, rock ii.
[04:24.530 --> 04:38.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: The number you have reached, one, has been changed.
[04:38.760 --> 04:41.040]  [SPEAKER_00]: The new number is two.
[04:41.460 --> 04:42.860]  [SPEAKER_00]: Please make a note of it.
[04:56.840 --> 04:59.660]  [SPEAKER_23]: The number you have reached has been disconnected.
[05:01.600 --> 05:06.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: This is Off the Hook, the telephone program, a presentation of WBAI.
[05:06.580 --> 05:08.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm your host, Emmanuel Goldstein.
[05:16.200 --> 05:22.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: Over the past few months, consumers in the New York area have been introduced to a wide range of new phone numbers.
[05:22.060 --> 05:26.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: These numbers represent a host of telephone services that are now being offered here.
[05:27.200 --> 05:31.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Computerized wake-up calls, interactive weather forecasts, stock market quotes.
[05:31.940 --> 05:33.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: But that's not all.
[05:33.360 --> 05:37.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Anyone who has a telephone can now dial into a wide range of teleconferences.
[05:37.880 --> 05:42.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you watch late-night commercial TV, you probably have become painfully aware of this.
[05:45.180 --> 05:46.800]  [SPEAKER_21]: I know what you want.
[05:46.960 --> 05:49.620]  [SPEAKER_21]: You want to meet new and exciting people.
[05:49.620 --> 05:50.920]  [SPEAKER_21]: Well, you can.
[05:51.140 --> 05:52.360]  [SPEAKER_21]: It's easier than you think.
[05:52.740 --> 05:53.840]  [SPEAKER_21]: All you need is a telephone.
[05:54.120 --> 05:55.960]  [SPEAKER_21]: Just call the 7,000 party line.
[05:56.400 --> 05:58.520]  [SPEAKER_21]: That's where I talk to the hottest guys in town.
[05:58.720 --> 05:59.880]  [SPEAKER_21]: I call all the time.
[06:00.020 --> 06:01.160]  [SPEAKER_21]: And so do my friends.
[06:02.100 --> 06:03.600]  [SPEAKER_21]: Only 79 cents a minute.
[06:03.760 --> 06:04.200]  [SPEAKER_21]: Call now.
[06:05.820 --> 06:08.440]  [SPEAKER_21]: I'm not the kind of girl who sits home on a Saturday night.
[06:08.840 --> 06:10.640]  [SPEAKER_21]: Unless I have a very good reason.
[06:11.360 --> 06:12.380]  [SPEAKER_21]: And the new love price?
[06:12.700 --> 06:13.760]  [SPEAKER_21]: It's a pretty good reason.
[06:15.180 --> 06:16.920]  [SPEAKER_21]: Thousands of others have joined the party.
[06:16.920 --> 06:18.180]  [SPEAKER_21]: Now it's your turn.
[06:20.000 --> 06:22.020]  [SPEAKER_23]: New friends are just a phone call away.
[06:22.300 --> 06:24.720]  [SPEAKER_23]: For just 89 cents a minute, join the party.
[06:26.240 --> 06:27.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: This is Sonny, how you doing?
[06:28.380 --> 06:28.780]  [SPEAKER_02]: Hi.
[06:29.320 --> 06:31.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: You girls sound like a real partying group.
[06:31.980 --> 06:33.260]  [SPEAKER_21]: Oh, he sounds really sexy.
[06:33.440 --> 06:34.180]  [SPEAKER_21]: I wonder what he looks like.
[06:35.680 --> 06:36.880]  [SPEAKER_21]: Everybody's calling the party line.
[06:37.040 --> 06:38.580]  [SPEAKER_21]: You never know who you might meet.
[06:39.140 --> 06:41.340]  [SPEAKER_01]: Call the premier party line to get your kicks.
[06:41.640 --> 06:42.780]  [SPEAKER_01]: 79 cents a minute.
[06:45.620 --> 06:47.900]  [SPEAKER_21]: Chill out, you caged party animals.
[06:52.470 --> 06:53.850]  [SPEAKER_21]: Feeding time is here.
[06:55.090 --> 06:56.010]  [SPEAKER_21]: Check it out.
[06:58.550 --> 07:00.990]  [SPEAKER_26]: $1.50 the first minute for $0.50 each additional.
[07:03.310 --> 07:04.550]  [SPEAKER_26]: Yeah, that was great.
[07:04.710 --> 07:05.310]  [SPEAKER_21]: Oh, I know.
[07:05.310 --> 07:07.410]  [SPEAKER_21]: I've made lots of good friends on the rap line.
[07:07.630 --> 07:08.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: Rap line?
[07:08.410 --> 07:12.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hey, I called and I met this woman who's really into cars.
[07:12.490 --> 07:14.530]  [SPEAKER_26]: Yeah, well, I call the rap line all the time.
[07:14.710 --> 07:17.990]  [SPEAKER_26]: And last week, I met this lady who's an absolute computer whiz.
[07:18.010 --> 07:18.570]  [SPEAKER_21]: Oh, it's great.
[07:18.710 --> 07:20.170]  [SPEAKER_21]: We get together and do things all the time.
[07:20.350 --> 07:21.490]  [SPEAKER_21]: Last Friday, we went to the movie.
[07:21.750 --> 07:22.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: Sounds great.
[07:22.450 --> 07:23.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: Sounds like you do a lot of great things.
[07:23.870 --> 07:24.070]  [SPEAKER_21]: Oh, yeah.
[07:24.190 --> 07:25.530]  [SPEAKER_21]: We went and saw the jazz festival.
[07:26.810 --> 07:28.210]  [SPEAKER_18]: Talk to me.
[07:29.950 --> 07:31.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: Talk to me.
[07:33.130 --> 07:34.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: Talk to me.
[07:36.470 --> 07:37.770]  [SPEAKER_21]: Talk to me.
[07:38.830 --> 07:39.990]  [SPEAKER_22]: Talk to me.
[07:40.990 --> 07:44.390]  [SPEAKER_21]: Exciting people waiting to talk to you.
[07:44.930 --> 07:45.730]  [SPEAKER_21]: Just call.
[07:46.090 --> 07:49.410]  [SPEAKER_21]: Just 95 cents a call and 65 cents a minute.
[07:50.050 --> 07:51.450]  [SPEAKER_21]: Call now.
[07:52.130 --> 07:55.430]  [SPEAKER_12]: This kind of advertising isn't just going on in New York.
[07:55.530 --> 07:57.310]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's happening all over the country.
[07:57.590 --> 07:59.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: In fact, all over the world.
[07:59.630 --> 08:04.430]  [SPEAKER_12]: As the telecommunications industry becomes more advanced, more such services are possible.
[08:04.770 --> 08:11.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: Some experts believe all the hype will die down after the novelty wears off and after the phone bills arrive.
[08:11.750 --> 08:13.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: This is how it works in New York.
[08:13.690 --> 08:15.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: There are four special exchanges.
[08:15.910 --> 08:20.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: 976, 970, 540, and 550.
[08:21.650 --> 08:26.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: 976 has actually been around for a number of years and it's used for various recorded announcements.
[08:26.930 --> 08:29.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: The weather, the time, sports scores, horoscopes.
[08:30.330 --> 08:34.070]  [SPEAKER_12]: Each announcement is one minute long and there's no interaction with the caller.
[08:34.790 --> 08:37.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: So 976 is the most primitive of the exchanges.
[08:38.650 --> 08:42.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: Then there's 970, which is used for adult-oriented messages.
[08:42.730 --> 08:48.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: It can be a simple one-minute sex message or a more involved and more expensive interactive message.
[08:49.030 --> 08:52.110]  [SPEAKER_12]: 970 is reserved for adult telephone entertainment.
[08:52.490 --> 08:55.890]  [SPEAKER_12]: Not that there's any law against children calling a 970 number.
[08:56.110 --> 08:57.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: At least, not yet.
[08:57.490 --> 08:58.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: But that's another topic.
[08:59.390 --> 09:02.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: The 540 exchange is the most advanced.
[09:02.550 --> 09:08.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: On 540, you'll almost always wind up talking to a computer, which will ask you all kinds of questions.
[09:08.430 --> 09:15.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: Your birth date, what city you want to hear a weather forecast for, what time you want your phone to ring, or any number of trivia questions.
[09:16.670 --> 09:20.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: 550 is used for teleconferences, and that's what we're focusing on today.
[09:20.810 --> 09:25.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: On 550, different numbers are used for different subjects and different types of people.
[09:26.090 --> 09:36.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: For instance, there's a line for teenagers, a line for people who want to talk about sports, a line for black people, a line for gay people, and all kinds of variations and repetitions.
[09:36.410 --> 09:38.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, the way it works is quite simple.
[09:38.210 --> 09:43.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: You just dial the number you want, and you're connected to a small group of others that have called the same number.
[09:43.550 --> 09:44.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: The rest is up to you.
[09:44.810 --> 09:53.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can just sit there and listen, you can try and have a meaningful discussion with somebody, or you can waste time and money by bantering on for hours about nothing in particular.
[09:54.170 --> 10:01.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: What many callers don't realize is that time really flies on a teleconference, and every minute means more money spent.
[10:02.190 --> 10:07.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: The 550 numbers you see advertised are regulated by the local phone company, New York Telephone.
[10:08.170 --> 10:12.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right now, it costs 20 cents for the first minute and 10 cents for each additional minute.
[10:12.170 --> 10:18.070]  [SPEAKER_12]: But in October, those rates are supposed to rise to 25 cents a minute, day or night.
[10:18.530 --> 10:22.590]  [SPEAKER_12]: That means that if you're on a conference call for an hour, it'll cost you $15.
[10:23.230 --> 10:24.870]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's a bit steep for most people.
[10:25.350 --> 10:29.110]  [SPEAKER_12]: In fact, for $15, you can call someone in California for two hours.
[10:29.450 --> 10:31.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: So the rate is high by most standards.
[10:32.130 --> 10:36.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: But $15 an hour is nothing compared to what other services are charging.
[10:36.570 --> 10:42.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: These other services are not regulated by New York Telephone, and they can charge pretty much whatever they want.
[10:42.810 --> 10:43.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: How can you tell the difference?
[10:44.250 --> 10:50.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, as we mentioned, the 550 Exchange is used for those teleconference services that are regulated by New York Telephone.
[10:50.850 --> 10:54.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: But other teleconferences use the 900 area code.
[10:54.710 --> 11:00.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: In other words, a 10-digit phone number starting with 900 rather than a 7-digit number beginning with 550.
[11:01.610 --> 11:08.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: A couple of services also use the 700 area code, an area code capable of being used for interactive services.
[11:09.170 --> 11:12.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: You'll probably see a lot more 700 numbers in the next couple of years.
[11:13.750 --> 11:19.350]  [SPEAKER_12]: Calls to teleconferences in the 700 and 900 area codes can cost up to $1 a minute.
[11:19.850 --> 11:23.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's $60 an hour for a telephone call.
[11:24.010 --> 11:28.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's about what it would cost to carry on an hour-long conversation with someone in Germany.
[11:29.510 --> 11:33.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: We called a few of these teleconferences to get a feeling for what was being said on them.
[11:33.670 --> 11:34.690]  [SPEAKER_12]: And here's a sample.
[11:35.690 --> 11:36.550]  [SPEAKER_16]: Oh, you hooker number one?
[11:36.630 --> 11:37.410]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Shelly Tonda.
[11:38.410 --> 11:39.570]  [SPEAKER_16]: Who's hooker number two?
[11:40.010 --> 11:40.450]  [SPEAKER_06]: Giggles.
[11:41.150 --> 11:41.330]  [SPEAKER_06]: Giggles?
[11:41.330 --> 11:42.330]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm just saying no giggles.
[11:42.650 --> 11:43.690]  [SPEAKER_06]: You're acting like giggles.
[11:43.770 --> 11:44.770]  [SPEAKER_06]: You're always laughing.
[11:45.650 --> 11:46.470]  [SPEAKER_06]: That'd be funny.
[11:47.090 --> 11:48.370]  [SPEAKER_16]: Hey, hey, hooker number two?
[11:48.570 --> 11:48.790]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[11:49.010 --> 11:49.810]  [SPEAKER_16]: What's your name, baby?
[11:50.230 --> 11:50.590]  [SPEAKER_06]: Denise.
[11:51.030 --> 11:51.370]  [SPEAKER_16]: Denise?
[11:52.810 --> 11:53.910]  [SPEAKER_16]: Where's hooker number three?
[11:54.890 --> 11:55.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: She's stuck on now.
[11:56.250 --> 11:57.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's her right there.
[11:57.190 --> 11:58.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm hooker number three?
[11:58.790 --> 11:59.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[11:59.490 --> 12:00.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: What's your name?
[12:00.430 --> 12:00.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Chanel.
[12:01.710 --> 12:02.150]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, Chanel?
[12:02.410 --> 12:03.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: And those who need a lesson on this.
[12:03.550 --> 12:04.530]  [SPEAKER_15]: Chanel, I talked to you before, baby.
[12:04.770 --> 12:05.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: I've been a lesson on this.
[12:05.150 --> 12:05.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: You did where?
[12:07.210 --> 12:08.070]  [SPEAKER_15]: You remember me.
[12:08.290 --> 12:08.770]  [SPEAKER_06]: Who are you?
[12:09.010 --> 12:10.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: My name is Homicide, baby.
[12:10.790 --> 12:11.950]  [SPEAKER_06]: Homicide, honey.
[12:12.470 --> 12:13.070]  [SPEAKER_15]: What's up?
[12:13.170 --> 12:14.470]  [SPEAKER_15]: You know who this is, baby?
[12:14.830 --> 12:15.270]  [SPEAKER_15]: Who this?
[12:16.250 --> 12:16.710]  [SPEAKER_06]: Mystery.
[12:17.430 --> 12:18.010]  [SPEAKER_15]: Hey, mystery.
[12:18.270 --> 12:18.490]  [SPEAKER_06]: Huh?
[12:18.890 --> 12:20.050]  [SPEAKER_15]: You not down with that.
[12:20.690 --> 12:21.770]  [SPEAKER_06]: No, I'm kidding.
[12:22.270 --> 12:22.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: Huh?
[12:23.070 --> 12:24.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: You down with the hooker, posse?
[12:24.470 --> 12:25.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: I ain't no hooker.
[12:27.610 --> 12:29.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yo, any, any, any girls?
[12:29.470 --> 12:30.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yo, let me hold that pen.
[12:30.290 --> 12:30.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let me sign up.
[12:31.230 --> 12:32.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: Any young ladies out there from the Bronx?
[12:34.450 --> 12:35.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens.
[12:36.230 --> 12:37.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: Word, please.
[12:37.570 --> 12:38.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: Brooklyn, please.
[12:42.050 --> 12:43.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm off of the Niagara Falls.
[12:45.150 --> 12:45.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm not.
[12:47.330 --> 12:48.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, man.
[12:48.190 --> 12:48.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: Ain't nothing like that.
[12:57.430 --> 13:01.070]  [SPEAKER_12]: We found that the conversation quality remained fairly constant.
[13:01.110 --> 13:07.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: That is, the services that cost $1 a minute were not 10 times better than those that cost 10 cents a minute.
[13:07.690 --> 13:09.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: In the end, they all sounded fairly similar.
[13:09.790 --> 13:19.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: But now that these consumer teleconferences, also known as gab lines or party lines, have been around for a few months, something else has started to happen.
[13:19.530 --> 13:21.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: The bills have begun to arrive.
[13:22.050 --> 13:25.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: One man ran up a $95,000 phone bill.
[13:25.670 --> 13:36.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: According to the New York Daily News, an 18-year-old kid from Brooklyn who used the phone for up to 11 hours a day, surprised his parents with a bill for $152,000.
[13:37.850 --> 13:45.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: A construction worker who wound up with a $30,000 phone bill compared his telephone addiction to gambling or having a drug habit.
[13:45.670 --> 13:58.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: In Secaucus, New Jersey, a city worker used the mayor's phone to make calls to a conference line, and in Union City, a city hall custodian made nearly $6,000 in calls to a conference line in just two months.
[13:58.950 --> 14:03.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: Meanwhile, Southern Bell and the state of Georgia are trying to ban conference lines altogether.
[14:03.970 --> 14:10.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: And in England, British Telecom was forced to pull out of the chat line business because of adverse public reaction to it.
[14:10.610 --> 14:12.690]  [SPEAKER_12]: All of this appears to be only the beginning.
[14:13.130 --> 14:20.670]  [SPEAKER_12]: According to the Washington Post, the state of Maryland now blocks access to conference lines unless a customer specifically asks for it.
[14:20.990 --> 14:29.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: In fact, their local phone company, Chesapeake and Potomac Telephone, took the unusual step of refusing to cut off customers who didn't pay their conference line bills.
[14:30.550 --> 14:35.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: Instead, after 30 days, the phone company deducts the payment from the conference line company.
[14:36.450 --> 14:40.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: But some of the conference line companies take on a more combative approach.
[14:41.190 --> 14:46.670]  [SPEAKER_12]: Media 4 of Oakbrook, Illinois, handles many of the 900 area code teleconference lines.
[14:46.670 --> 14:52.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: If a customer were to call them after receiving a huge bill, this is what they would hear.
[14:52.370 --> 14:55.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: You are responsible for all charges appearing on your monthly phone bill.
[14:56.670 --> 15:03.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you have current 900 billing charges that you wish to question, contact your telephone company service representative.
[15:03.690 --> 15:06.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: The number to call appears on your telephone bill.
[15:06.990 --> 15:12.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: It is the policy of Media 4 to independently pursue collection action for unpaid Media 4 charges.
[15:12.910 --> 15:21.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: To avoid a collection's action and keep your credit rating intact, payment arrangements must be established with your telephone company representative.
[15:22.250 --> 15:26.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, you are responsible for all charges appearing on your monthly phone bill.
[15:29.010 --> 15:29.690]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello.
[15:29.930 --> 15:30.610]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello?
[15:30.970 --> 15:31.350]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello.
[15:31.750 --> 15:32.610]  [SPEAKER_10]: Who is this?
[15:33.030 --> 15:33.730]  [SPEAKER_10]: This is Kenny.
[15:34.310 --> 15:34.830]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello?
[15:35.250 --> 15:35.510]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello.
[15:35.850 --> 15:36.710]  [SPEAKER_10]: Who is this?
[15:36.830 --> 15:37.370]  [SPEAKER_10]: This is Kenny.
[15:37.870 --> 15:38.290]  [SPEAKER_10]: Kenny?
[15:38.530 --> 15:38.770]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[15:39.310 --> 15:39.730]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hi.
[15:40.050 --> 15:40.270]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hi.
[15:40.510 --> 15:40.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: What's your name?
[15:40.910 --> 15:41.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: Are you cute?
[15:41.970 --> 15:42.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: What?
[15:42.910 --> 15:44.450]  [SPEAKER_10]: Are you cute?
[15:44.810 --> 15:45.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: I guess.
[15:46.090 --> 15:46.650]  [SPEAKER_10]: You guess?
[15:46.890 --> 15:47.450]  [SPEAKER_17]: Are you cute?
[15:48.650 --> 15:50.190]  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, am I cute?
[15:50.510 --> 15:50.750]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yes.
[15:51.250 --> 15:52.550]  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I think so.
[15:52.830 --> 15:52.990]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh.
[15:53.230 --> 15:53.790]  [SPEAKER_17]: Where are you from?
[15:54.330 --> 15:56.610]  [SPEAKER_10]: Personally, personally, I think I'm very cute.
[15:56.890 --> 15:57.150]  [SPEAKER_17]: Are you?
[15:57.430 --> 15:57.730]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[15:59.310 --> 16:00.250]  [SPEAKER_17]: So where are you from?
[16:00.710 --> 16:02.450]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm from Stanford, Connecticut.
[16:03.070 --> 16:03.370]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah.
[16:03.770 --> 16:04.650]  [SPEAKER_10]: What's your name?
[16:04.910 --> 16:05.150]  [SPEAKER_17]: Eddie.
[16:06.170 --> 16:06.430]  [SPEAKER_10]: Kenny?
[16:06.810 --> 16:07.310]  [SPEAKER_17]: Kenny.
[16:07.770 --> 16:08.030]  [SPEAKER_10]: Kenny.
[16:08.470 --> 16:10.730]  [SPEAKER_10]: My name's, um, Dora.
[16:11.070 --> 16:11.450]  [SPEAKER_10]: Dora?
[16:11.790 --> 16:12.050]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[16:12.050 --> 16:12.990]  [SPEAKER_17]: How old are you?
[16:14.650 --> 16:15.050]  [SPEAKER_10]: What?
[16:15.350 --> 16:16.350]  [SPEAKER_17]: How old are you?
[16:16.830 --> 16:17.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: How old am I?
[16:17.830 --> 16:18.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm 20 years old.
[16:18.870 --> 16:19.250]  [SPEAKER_17]: 20?
[16:19.870 --> 16:20.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[16:20.750 --> 16:23.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry I can't hear, because there's, like, noise in here.
[16:23.710 --> 16:26.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: My friend's kids are, like, pain in the ass.
[16:26.810 --> 16:27.090]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah?
[16:27.090 --> 16:27.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[16:29.810 --> 16:30.670]  [SPEAKER_17]: So what are you doing?
[16:31.610 --> 16:32.010]  [SPEAKER_10]: Nothing.
[16:32.170 --> 16:33.790]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm sitting here talking to you.
[16:34.190 --> 16:34.930]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, okay.
[16:35.030 --> 16:36.150]  [SPEAKER_10]: Sitting in my blue chair.
[16:37.930 --> 16:38.650]  [SPEAKER_17]: What are you doing?
[16:39.130 --> 16:41.070]  [SPEAKER_10]: Sitting in my blue chair, talking to you.
[16:41.310 --> 16:41.910]  [SPEAKER_17]: Your blue chair?
[16:45.300 --> 16:46.320]  [SPEAKER_25]: So what do you like to do?
[16:47.000 --> 16:47.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: Me?
[16:47.880 --> 16:47.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: Me?
[16:47.980 --> 16:49.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: I like, um, to ride horses.
[16:50.460 --> 16:51.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: I like men.
[16:52.420 --> 16:55.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I like to have a good time, and I like to party.
[16:56.480 --> 16:56.660]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[16:57.220 --> 16:58.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: Do you like to party?
[16:58.600 --> 16:59.260]  [SPEAKER_17]: Pretty much.
[16:59.740 --> 17:00.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: What?
[17:00.360 --> 17:00.940]  [SPEAKER_17]: Pretty much.
[17:01.560 --> 17:02.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: What do you like doing?
[17:03.760 --> 17:04.820]  [SPEAKER_17]: Just about everything.
[17:05.440 --> 17:05.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: Everything?
[17:07.160 --> 17:09.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: I like men who like to do everything.
[17:09.620 --> 17:09.880]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yeah?
[17:13.270 --> 17:14.230]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello, who's this?
[17:14.790 --> 17:15.070]  [SPEAKER_10]: What?
[17:15.510 --> 17:16.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi, who's this?
[17:17.690 --> 17:18.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: Dora.
[17:19.430 --> 17:19.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[17:20.190 --> 17:20.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I just got on.
[17:21.050 --> 17:21.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello, who's this?
[17:22.730 --> 17:23.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, this is Dora.
[17:24.270 --> 17:24.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi, Dora.
[17:24.830 --> 17:25.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is Tom.
[17:25.830 --> 17:26.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, hi, Tom.
[17:27.110 --> 17:27.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: Dora, where are you?
[17:28.090 --> 17:29.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: What, where are you calling from?
[17:29.630 --> 17:31.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, Stanford, Connecticut.
[17:31.490 --> 17:32.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, boy.
[17:33.170 --> 17:33.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: How do you like that?
[17:33.850 --> 17:35.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm over on Long Island, across the way from you.
[17:36.450 --> 17:37.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who's the other guy that's on?
[17:38.490 --> 17:39.210]  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
[17:39.510 --> 17:39.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: What?
[17:39.930 --> 17:40.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
[17:40.390 --> 17:41.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi, Danny.
[17:41.210 --> 17:41.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: How you doing?
[17:41.710 --> 17:41.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: Danny.
[17:42.390 --> 17:42.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: Danny.
[17:44.390 --> 17:44.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: Anyway.
[17:45.630 --> 17:46.170]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello, Tom?
[17:47.330 --> 17:48.190]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, go ahead.
[17:48.810 --> 17:49.250]  [SPEAKER_10]: Tom?
[17:49.450 --> 17:50.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is Tom.
[17:50.210 --> 17:50.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: Go ahead.
[17:50.990 --> 17:51.950]  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, what do you like doing?
[17:52.730 --> 17:55.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, well, I enjoy boating.
[17:55.490 --> 17:56.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: I enjoy riding.
[17:56.610 --> 17:57.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: I enjoy reading.
[17:57.470 --> 18:01.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I enjoy, uh, good music and good-looking women.
[18:01.970 --> 18:02.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[18:02.470 --> 18:04.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: I like all those except the women part.
[18:04.470 --> 18:05.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: You don't like good-looking women?
[18:05.950 --> 18:06.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: Of course not.
[18:06.790 --> 18:08.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not a lesbian or anything.
[18:08.750 --> 18:09.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: So what do you like?
[18:09.590 --> 18:10.530]  [SPEAKER_05]: I like good-looking men.
[18:10.730 --> 18:11.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: You like good-looking men?
[18:11.850 --> 18:12.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[18:12.430 --> 18:13.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, let's see.
[18:13.190 --> 18:14.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's see if I fit your score.
[18:14.810 --> 18:16.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: How about, uh, 5'10"?
[18:16.550 --> 18:16.930]  [SPEAKER_10]: Mm-hmm.
[18:17.250 --> 18:19.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: About 150, 155 pounds.
[18:19.830 --> 18:20.190]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh-huh.
[18:20.410 --> 18:20.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: Jog.
[18:20.950 --> 18:21.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: I play tennis.
[18:21.630 --> 18:22.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: I play squash.
[18:23.330 --> 18:25.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, uh, do a good bit of swimming.
[18:25.910 --> 18:26.070]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh-huh.
[18:26.070 --> 18:31.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I would consider myself to be, um, more than reasonably attractive.
[18:32.090 --> 18:33.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I like that.
[18:33.530 --> 18:33.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: You do?
[18:34.250 --> 18:34.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[18:35.850 --> 18:36.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, um...
[18:36.970 --> 18:37.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: How old are you?
[18:37.910 --> 18:37.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: Tell me about yourself.
[18:38.050 --> 18:38.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: How tall are you?
[18:39.430 --> 18:39.810]  [SPEAKER_10]: Me?
[18:40.050 --> 18:40.350]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[18:40.610 --> 18:41.890]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm 5'10".
[18:41.890 --> 18:42.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: Boy, you're tall.
[18:43.590 --> 18:44.150]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello?
[18:44.450 --> 18:44.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[18:45.090 --> 18:45.370]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hi.
[18:45.850 --> 18:46.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who's this?
[18:46.810 --> 18:47.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[18:47.730 --> 18:48.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who's this?
[18:48.390 --> 18:48.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi.
[18:49.310 --> 18:49.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[18:50.570 --> 18:50.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[18:51.170 --> 18:51.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who's this?
[18:52.590 --> 18:54.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: What happened to the person from Stanford?
[18:55.750 --> 18:56.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: Where are you guys from?
[18:57.070 --> 18:57.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[18:58.230 --> 18:59.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: This one's from Long Island.
[18:59.430 --> 19:00.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: Tom's from Long Island.
[19:00.370 --> 19:00.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who's this?
[19:01.110 --> 19:01.830]  [SPEAKER_10]: We're from Long Island?
[19:01.830 --> 19:03.070]  [SPEAKER_10]: We're from Long Island, too.
[19:03.810 --> 19:04.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: Me, too.
[19:04.850 --> 19:05.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: Where?
[19:05.530 --> 19:06.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: I float.
[19:06.650 --> 19:07.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, I used to go from there.
[19:07.870 --> 19:08.710]  [SPEAKER_18]: I live in Leventown.
[19:09.010 --> 19:09.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh.
[19:09.930 --> 19:11.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: Where's the person from Connecticut?
[19:12.070 --> 19:12.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: From Stanford.
[19:13.030 --> 19:13.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: What's your name?
[19:14.510 --> 19:14.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: Jill.
[19:15.330 --> 19:15.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: Jill?
[19:16.170 --> 19:16.630]  [SPEAKER_29]: Yes.
[19:16.930 --> 19:17.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello.
[19:19.050 --> 19:20.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: I can barely hear you.
[19:21.630 --> 19:22.910]  [SPEAKER_29]: Where's that guy from Long Island?
[19:23.210 --> 19:24.110]  [SPEAKER_29]: She's in law.
[19:24.710 --> 19:25.230]  [SPEAKER_29]: Where do you live?
[19:25.530 --> 19:26.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: In Port Washington.
[19:26.650 --> 19:27.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: Where are you?
[19:28.150 --> 19:28.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're way out.
[19:28.950 --> 19:29.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: What's your name?
[19:30.050 --> 19:30.450]  [SPEAKER_10]: Amanda.
[19:31.090 --> 19:31.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi, Amanda.
[19:32.090 --> 19:32.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: How old are you?
[19:33.450 --> 19:33.810]  [SPEAKER_10]: 17.
[19:34.470 --> 19:34.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[19:34.810 --> 19:35.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: Too young.
[19:35.730 --> 19:36.730]  [SPEAKER_15]: Amanda, where do you live?
[19:37.230 --> 19:38.470]  [SPEAKER_10]: Other than I used to live.
[19:39.070 --> 19:39.830]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's where I live.
[19:40.070 --> 19:40.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: Hello?
[19:40.770 --> 19:41.410]  [SPEAKER_10]: That's where what?
[19:41.710 --> 19:42.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's where I live.
[19:42.550 --> 19:43.270]  [SPEAKER_10]: Get out of here.
[19:43.370 --> 19:44.630]  [SPEAKER_10]: Who's the guy from Port Washington?
[19:45.030 --> 19:45.570]  [SPEAKER_10]: Right here.
[19:45.810 --> 19:45.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: Tom.
[19:46.530 --> 19:46.790]  [SPEAKER_10]: Tom?
[19:47.130 --> 19:47.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[19:48.430 --> 19:49.270]  [SPEAKER_10]: Tom, you feel?
[19:49.950 --> 19:50.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: What?
[19:52.510 --> 19:54.090]  [SPEAKER_10]: Who is that guy I've spoken to?
[19:54.290 --> 19:54.590]  [SPEAKER_10]: Right here.
[19:54.870 --> 19:55.310]  [SPEAKER_10]: What's your name?
[19:55.790 --> 19:56.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: Mike.
[19:56.510 --> 19:56.910]  [SPEAKER_10]: Mike.
[19:57.030 --> 19:57.430]  [SPEAKER_10]: 22.
[19:58.130 --> 19:58.630]  [SPEAKER_10]: Mike, how old are you?
[19:59.550 --> 20:00.250]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm 20.
[20:00.630 --> 20:00.910]  [SPEAKER_10]: How old?
[20:01.110 --> 20:01.450]  [SPEAKER_10]: 17.
[20:02.050 --> 20:02.630]  [SPEAKER_10]: Where do you live?
[20:02.810 --> 20:05.330]  [SPEAKER_10]: I can't hear you.
[20:06.610 --> 20:07.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: I can't hear you.
[20:07.610 --> 20:08.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: You want to call me?
[20:09.010 --> 20:09.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: What?
[20:09.350 --> 20:09.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wait, wait.
[20:09.790 --> 20:10.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is Tom.
[20:10.890 --> 20:11.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: You want to call me?
[20:12.350 --> 20:19.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: Seattle-based Omnicall, one of the largest conference line operators, describes the party lines as very popular services.
[20:19.890 --> 20:24.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: A spokesperson said, people are lonely and want to reach out and talk to people.
[20:24.710 --> 20:28.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's somebody to talk to who isn't charging you to sit on his couch.
[20:28.930 --> 20:33.890]  [SPEAKER_12]: Ironically, many of the conference lines charge more per hour than a psychiatrist would.
[20:37.580 --> 20:51.420]  [SPEAKER_28]: Somehow the wires have crossed, communication lost, can't even get you on the telephone.
[20:55.760 --> 20:58.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're listening to Off the Hook on WBAI.
[20:58.980 --> 21:08.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you'd like a free list of conference lines in the New York area, write to Off the Hook, care of WBAI, 505 8th Avenue, New York, New York, 10018.
[21:09.260 --> 21:10.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: And stay tuned.
[21:10.340 --> 21:14.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: In a few minutes, we'll be having our own live teleconference right here over the air.
[21:14.580 --> 21:18.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: You'll be able to call in, and it won't cost any more than a normal phone call.
[21:23.230 --> 21:29.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: Richard Cheshire is known as Cheshire Catalyst to phone freaks, those strange people who love to play with telephones.
[21:29.770 --> 21:36.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: Cheshire Catalyst used to be a phone freak, and he also used to write for Tap Magazine, which was a publication for phone freaks.
[21:36.230 --> 21:40.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: He says that for years, decades even, phone freaks have been making conference calls.
[21:41.070 --> 21:44.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: And needless to say, they rarely wound up paying for them.
[21:44.530 --> 21:48.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: Cheshire Catalyst recollects one of the crude methods of making a conference call.
[21:48.090 --> 22:02.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: I remember back in the old days, back in the days of crossbar switches and electromechanical, good, solid, chunking machines, when we used to talk through the busy signal, I don't think you can do that anymore with all the electronic stuff that's going on,
[22:02.790 --> 22:05.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: but through the beeps of the busy signal, you could hear voices.
[22:06.930 --> 22:17.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: And bop, if, bop, you, bop, were, bop, to, bop, speak, bop, between the beeps, you could actually carry on a conversation like that.
[22:17.530 --> 22:19.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: And a lot of people did.
[22:19.830 --> 22:24.610]  [SPEAKER_12]: A legendary teleconference of the 1960s and 70s was based in Vancouver.
[22:25.030 --> 22:32.910]  [SPEAKER_12]: You would dial the number for information in that city, and when the operator answered, you'd hit the A, B, C, or D button on your touch-tone phone.
[22:33.550 --> 22:37.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: Somehow, you would be connected to a crowd of other phone callers who did the same thing.
[22:37.570 --> 22:43.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, you may have noticed that we just made reference to the A, B, C, and D buttons on your touch-tone phone.
[22:43.150 --> 22:48.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: You also may have noticed that your touch-tone phone doesn't have an A, B, C, or D button.
[22:48.410 --> 22:51.950]  [SPEAKER_12]: But every touch-tone phone is capable of producing four more tones.
[22:52.390 --> 22:57.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: By playing around with the wiring inside the phone, it's possible to activate these four tones.
[22:57.730 --> 23:00.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: In phone-freak lingo, that's known as making a silver box.
[23:00.990 --> 23:07.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right now, though, there doesn't appear to be any commercial use for those four extra tones, which would appear on the extreme right of the phone.
[23:07.910 --> 23:11.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: On the military phone network, however, these four tones are used.
[23:11.510 --> 23:13.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: But that's another topic entirely.
[23:13.990 --> 23:20.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: Getting back to the teleconferences, Cheshire Catalyst outlines the different kinds of conversation you might find on a phone-free conference.
[23:20.950 --> 23:27.010]  [SPEAKER_11]: Out on the West Coast particularly, it's a lot of one-upmanship and infighting and what have you.
[23:27.530 --> 23:35.010]  [SPEAKER_11]: On the East Coast, it was more information sharing because it was forbidden knowledge, the information that the phone company didn't want you to have.
[23:35.350 --> 23:39.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, number one, about how you got into these things and how these things got set up.
[23:39.650 --> 23:44.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: Some guys actually would call the frames in various places.
[23:45.170 --> 23:49.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: These are locations inside the central office where the phone wires come together.
[23:49.790 --> 23:57.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: And they would instruct the switchmen in the central offices on how to set one of these things up, not telling them what they were setting up.
[23:57.650 --> 24:04.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: Just, hi, this is Charlie down at Central, and we've got to get this thing set up, and here's what you do.
[24:04.990 --> 24:06.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: Switchmen are lonely people.
[24:06.930 --> 24:10.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: They sit around listening to relays, click, or used to back in the days of relays.
[24:12.170 --> 24:26.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, well, of course, you're not allowed to listen to private conversations, but if there was this special gadget called the conference bridge that was set up and people called into it, and the bridge was set up strictly for internal telephone company use,
[24:26.890 --> 24:31.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: then it was kosher for them to be listening to this kind of thing, and it was great entertainment for them.
[24:32.910 --> 24:43.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you call up a guy in a switching office where they don't have such entertainment, don't know how to set it up, you tell them how to set it up, and then you've got your own private conference session available.
[24:43.790 --> 24:49.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, how would these phone freaks get the knowledge to tell phone company employees how to run their own equipment?
[24:49.510 --> 24:57.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: Through a method called trashing, which is literally crawling through telephone company trash dumpsters in an effort to get discarded manuals and computer printouts.
[24:58.310 --> 25:03.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: Trashing is one of the most effective ways of getting information in the phone freak computer hacker world.
[25:03.710 --> 25:09.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: Phone freaks still have teleconferences, and unlike the new commercial conference lines, they seem to have something to talk about.
[25:10.150 --> 25:18.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: This excerpt of a phone freak conference was recorded last year, and the participants were spread out across the United States, England, and Holland.
[25:18.550 --> 25:24.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: What you'll hear is the incredible hunger for knowledge that these phone freaks have, no matter what part of the world they're in.
[25:25.570 --> 25:27.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hey, Sean?
[25:27.650 --> 25:27.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah?
[25:28.590 --> 25:29.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: How does this work?
[25:29.810 --> 25:37.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, you dial a number, area code 800, and then a prefix subscriber's number, and then?
[25:39.530 --> 25:41.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: You mean the 1-800 number?
[25:42.230 --> 25:42.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[25:43.170 --> 25:45.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: I call the 1-800 number?
[25:45.290 --> 25:45.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[25:46.030 --> 25:54.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then the access code, and then the very last four digits of the access code are what town I want.
[25:54.550 --> 25:58.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: I can have it in Chicago, L.A., or New York.
[25:59.170 --> 26:02.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: I normally pick New York because it's closest to you, and I get a better connection.
[26:04.430 --> 26:06.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I have a pen and a piece of paper.
[26:06.490 --> 26:09.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have written down a number, but that is much too long.
[26:09.750 --> 26:16.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: That is 1-800-328-4666-5601-09-0700-456-10000.
[26:16.710 --> 26:18.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: That can't be right.
[26:18.930 --> 26:20.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: What is what in that number?
[26:21.410 --> 26:21.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's right.
[26:22.330 --> 26:22.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[26:22.970 --> 26:24.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: 1-800-328-4666.
[26:25.590 --> 26:25.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay?
[26:26.590 --> 26:30.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: 1-800-328-4666.
[26:31.970 --> 26:39.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is the number I call to get to a phone system.
[26:39.590 --> 26:40.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay?
[26:40.510 --> 26:41.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[26:41.090 --> 26:42.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is the telephone number.
[26:42.210 --> 26:42.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[26:42.630 --> 26:42.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[26:43.050 --> 26:43.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: It says...
[26:44.380 --> 26:53.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: It comes up with a dial tone, and then I type 5-6-0-1-0, and then it goes beep, and then I dial 9.
[26:53.330 --> 26:53.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: Dial tone?
[26:54.350 --> 26:55.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, hang on, hang on.
[26:55.290 --> 27:00.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: Dial tone, and then I dial 5-6-0-1-0.
[27:01.410 --> 27:01.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[27:01.810 --> 27:04.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then it'll go beep.
[27:05.290 --> 27:05.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay?
[27:06.570 --> 27:07.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then I dial 9.
[27:07.850 --> 27:09.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: It'll go beep again.
[27:09.850 --> 27:10.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: Beep.
[27:10.570 --> 27:15.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: Then I dial 0-7-0-0-4-5-6-1-0-0-0.
[27:16.630 --> 27:20.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: 0-7-0-0-4-5-6-1-0-0.
[27:20.470 --> 27:21.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: 1-000.
[27:21.290 --> 27:21.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay?
[27:21.950 --> 27:22.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: 1-000.
[27:22.610 --> 27:22.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[27:22.690 --> 27:24.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: The last four digits, the 1,000.
[27:24.990 --> 27:25.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[27:25.710 --> 27:32.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can also do 1,001, 1,002, 1,003, 1,004, and I think 1,005.
[27:32.970 --> 27:33.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay?
[27:33.830 --> 27:35.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: These are the city locations.
[27:35.850 --> 27:36.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: City locations.
[27:37.230 --> 27:38.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: 0 is New York.
[27:38.890 --> 27:39.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: 0 is Chicago.
[27:40.550 --> 27:41.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: 0 Chicago.
[27:41.890 --> 27:43.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: 1 is Los Angeles.
[27:44.090 --> 27:44.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: LA.
[27:44.990 --> 27:46.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: 2 is Chicago.
[27:47.370 --> 27:48.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: Chicago again.
[27:48.750 --> 27:51.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: 3 is White Plains, New York.
[27:51.710 --> 27:52.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: White Plains, New York.
[27:52.670 --> 27:54.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is what I'm on now.
[27:54.830 --> 27:59.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: White Plains is one of your international receiving stations.
[28:00.190 --> 28:00.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is it?
[28:01.250 --> 28:02.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, it is.
[28:03.150 --> 28:04.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: And 1,000...
[28:04.670 --> 28:06.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: What number am I on?
[28:06.750 --> 28:07.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: 3.
[28:07.430 --> 28:09.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: You didn't mention 4 yet.
[28:09.610 --> 28:11.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: 1,004 is...
[28:13.750 --> 28:15.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: is in Texas.
[28:15.570 --> 28:16.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's Houston, I think.
[28:16.930 --> 28:17.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: Houston.
[28:18.690 --> 28:19.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[28:19.550 --> 28:22.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: And after that, I don't think there is anymore.
[28:22.230 --> 28:24.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: I haven't gone farther than that.
[28:24.710 --> 28:28.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, you know, the 1-800 number that you have now...
[28:28.870 --> 28:29.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[28:29.310 --> 28:30.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: ...is very safe.
[28:31.150 --> 28:31.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, okay.
[28:31.570 --> 28:40.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can call it from your own home because the guy who gave me the number called me from his own home, you know?
[28:40.330 --> 28:40.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[28:40.930 --> 28:42.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: He said it wasn't dangerous at all.
[28:42.930 --> 28:43.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: For Barry?
[28:43.910 --> 28:44.030]  [SPEAKER_16]: Yeah.
[28:44.030 --> 28:46.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: What's going to happen when this number goes bad, too?
[28:47.330 --> 28:52.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I'm going to call the other guy, Eric, again, in the USA.
[29:05.610 --> 29:06.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[29:20.410 --> 29:22.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: And he will probably give me the new number.
[29:23.050 --> 29:24.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: Probably tonight, yes.
[29:25.930 --> 29:29.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is there no way somebody can copy it with a video recorder?
[29:30.070 --> 29:30.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[29:30.250 --> 29:30.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[29:31.130 --> 29:31.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: No?
[29:32.050 --> 29:32.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[29:33.010 --> 29:34.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is it a drive-in movie?
[29:34.390 --> 29:34.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[29:35.790 --> 29:36.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's a walk-in theater.
[29:37.610 --> 29:38.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is it a walk-in theater?
[29:38.870 --> 29:39.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, like the Kino.
[29:40.690 --> 29:40.930]  [SPEAKER_17]: Uh-huh.
[29:42.030 --> 29:43.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: You have a Kino in Holland, yes?
[29:44.110 --> 29:44.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, okay.
[29:45.410 --> 29:51.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: But you can't use a video cassette recorder, you know?
[29:52.710 --> 29:55.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: Put it onto the screen and copy the film.
[29:55.790 --> 29:56.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not like this.
[29:56.750 --> 29:57.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not over here.
[29:57.550 --> 30:02.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, what we heard at the beginning was a detailed explanation of how this illegal conference had been set up.
[30:02.910 --> 30:11.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: The first thing a caller would do is dial what is known as an 800-extended That's an 800 number owned by some company that gives you a dial tone when you call it.
[30:12.510 --> 30:15.670]  [SPEAKER_12]: Extenders are supposed to be used by employees of the company that own them.
[30:16.090 --> 30:19.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: But more often than not, phone freaks seem to get there first.
[30:20.070 --> 30:26.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: Anyway, after dialing into the extender, the caller would then have to have the proper authorization code to get an outside dial tone.
[30:27.050 --> 30:30.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: The authorization code can be anywhere between three and nine digits.
[30:30.830 --> 30:35.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: When that is entered correctly, the caller would then enter nine to get an outside line.
[30:35.270 --> 30:39.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: He would then be free to call any phone number in the world at the company's expense.
[30:40.130 --> 30:46.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: The number that many phone freaks choose to call is that of Alliance Teleconferencing, operated by AT&T.
[30:46.470 --> 30:51.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: It resides in the 700 area code, and it's kind of like a self-service teleconference.
[30:51.490 --> 30:53.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: That is, you decide who's on the conference.
[30:58.680 --> 31:02.840]  [SPEAKER_04]: This is Alliance Teleconferencing Service in White Plains, New York.
[31:03.220 --> 31:07.660]  [SPEAKER_04]: You can interrupt most announcements by simply dialing the number you want.
[31:08.960 --> 31:13.040]  [SPEAKER_04]: Please enter the number of locations you need, including your own.
[31:13.400 --> 31:13.980]  [SPEAKER_04]: Dial now.
[31:14.260 --> 31:16.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: We decided that 12 would be a good number.
[31:16.780 --> 31:20.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: The maximum number of calls you can link together on this system is 59.
[31:21.360 --> 31:23.900]  [SPEAKER_04]: Your conference size is 12.
[31:25.100 --> 31:28.100]  [SPEAKER_04]: To change this request, dial star.
[31:28.600 --> 31:30.720]  [SPEAKER_04]: Dial number sign to continue.
[31:31.400 --> 31:32.340]  [SPEAKER_04]: Dial now.
[31:32.760 --> 31:39.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, 12 still seemed like a good number, so we hit the number sign key, also known as the pound key or the tic-tac-toe key.
[31:39.980 --> 31:43.800]  [SPEAKER_04]: Please dial 1 plus an area code and telephone number.
[31:44.480 --> 31:49.980]  [SPEAKER_04]: Wait for your party to answer, and dial number sign to add the call to your conference.
[31:50.780 --> 31:53.080]  [SPEAKER_04]: Dial star to cancel the call.
[31:53.080 --> 31:59.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: We thought it would be fun to try and link Alliance Teleconferencing to itself, and see if we could make a call that lasted forever.
[32:00.460 --> 32:02.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: But they were one step ahead of us.
[32:03.000 --> 32:03.960]  [SPEAKER_04]: We're sorry.
[32:04.480 --> 32:09.620]  [SPEAKER_04]: Calls to 700, 800, and 900 area codes cannot be placed.
[32:10.400 --> 32:13.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: We decided not to pursue this teleconference any further.
[32:14.000 --> 32:21.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: With Alliance Teleconferencing, you not only pay a fee to connect to the conference, but you have to pay for each and every call you make.
[32:21.460 --> 32:30.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: And since Alliance can make overseas calls and can handle up to 59 connections on a single conference, one could very well wind up setting a phone bill record.
[32:30.940 --> 32:36.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: What's different about this kind of a teleconference is that only one person or company winds up paying.
[32:37.300 --> 32:41.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: All of the calls get billed back to the phone number that originated the conference.
[32:41.560 --> 32:45.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: Everyone else simply experiences the joy of receiving a teleconference call.
[32:45.960 --> 32:50.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: And that's where the true value of free communication becomes apparent.
[32:50.700 --> 32:56.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: A couple of years ago, a group of East Coast phone freaks started a teleconference that lasted for days.
[32:56.560 --> 33:01.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: And they managed to bill the whole thing back to, of all companies, AT&T.
[33:01.560 --> 33:07.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: At one point, they called a complete stranger in Australia and told her that she was speaking to a phone freak teleconference.
[33:08.300 --> 33:11.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: For quite some time, they chatted away about the differences in their cultures.
[33:12.240 --> 33:18.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: Then the phone freaks asked the lady in Australia if there was anybody anywhere in the world that she would like to talk to, for free.
[33:19.380 --> 33:26.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: She thought for a while and remembered that she had a cousin in England that she hadn't spoken to in years, mostly because it cost so much to call.
[33:27.220 --> 33:29.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: Within a minute, the phone freaks had connected the two.
[33:30.320 --> 33:35.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: Of course, this phone call was far from private since at least 15 phone freaks were on the line.
[33:35.520 --> 33:40.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: But that didn't stop the two from expressing their happiness at hearing the other's voice after so many years.
[33:41.200 --> 33:45.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: At one point, the lady in Australia said that she wished her husband was there to say hello.
[33:46.280 --> 33:47.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: What number can we reach him at?
[33:47.980 --> 33:49.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: One of the phone freaks asked.
[33:49.620 --> 33:57.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Within moments, he too was on the line, talking to his wife who was less than a mile away in Australia, but whose voice was coming to him from around the world.
[33:58.700 --> 34:09.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: Such happenings don't occur very often, but when they do, they illustrate the ease with which people can communicate in this day and age, and also the economic barrier that forces them not to.
[34:09.390 --> 34:16.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: By hitting a few touchstones, these Robin Hoods of the phone lines had given total strangers an experience they'd never forget.
[34:16.680 --> 34:24.350]  [SPEAKER_12]: Of course, this was all highly illegal, but it makes one wonder what kind of effect free communications would have on the people of the world.
[34:25.450 --> 34:29.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: Alliance Teleconferencing is probably the modern phone freaks' biggest toy.
[34:29.430 --> 34:33.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: In this excerpt, phone freaks tied together operators from all different parts of the country.
[34:34.430 --> 34:38.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: Before they were added to the conference, the operators were told to hold on for a test.
[34:39.080 --> 34:45.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's interesting to see that some of the operators clearly enjoyed not knowing what was going on, while others were annoyed.
[34:46.000 --> 34:49.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: A single beep indicates a party being added to the conference.
[34:49.300 --> 34:51.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: A double beep indicates a party being disconnected.
[34:52.680 --> 34:55.060]  [SPEAKER_10]: Repair service, CEP repair service, how may I help you?
[34:56.160 --> 34:56.540]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello?
[34:57.460 --> 34:58.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hi, we're in this...
[34:58.740 --> 34:59.200]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello?
[35:00.020 --> 35:02.390]  [SPEAKER_10]: This is CEP, I'm CEP repair service, ma'am.
[35:02.520 --> 35:04.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello, this is CEP repair service, also.
[35:05.120 --> 35:07.700]  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, this is directory assistance, so I don't know who called.
[35:08.780 --> 35:09.660]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm in Seattle.
[35:10.020 --> 35:11.200]  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I think I'm going to disconnect.
[35:11.200 --> 35:12.410]  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, man, I mean, he's so sick.
[35:20.270 --> 35:21.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: And who on the control operator call?
[35:22.350 --> 35:22.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: 9-1?
[35:25.090 --> 35:25.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[35:26.370 --> 35:27.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello, this is the analyst.
[35:27.790 --> 35:30.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: You see someone's doing a conference call.
[35:30.490 --> 35:32.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're not being very specific about it.
[35:33.550 --> 35:37.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, okay, a guy whom they're calling on this number is not here right now.
[35:39.730 --> 35:40.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're there.
[35:40.970 --> 35:42.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, what would you tell him?
[35:42.390 --> 35:43.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm sorry about that, okay?
[35:43.930 --> 35:44.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bye.
[35:46.310 --> 35:47.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello, I'm still here.
[35:48.130 --> 35:48.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who are you?
[35:49.550 --> 35:50.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: Mark at test board.
[35:51.630 --> 35:53.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: Somebody's not doing this very good.
[35:54.130 --> 35:54.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[35:55.210 --> 35:57.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: Am I talking to my outside person?
[35:57.390 --> 35:57.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[35:58.110 --> 35:59.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is Ted, let me see.
[35:59.790 --> 36:00.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[36:02.190 --> 36:04.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm with General Telephone Test Board.
[36:05.090 --> 36:07.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: I think a guy just called him working on a line.
[36:08.010 --> 36:09.930]  [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, was it your line he was working on?
[36:10.050 --> 36:11.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, he told me to wait three minutes.
[36:14.430 --> 36:17.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, I'll give him a chance to call in again then, okay?
[36:18.270 --> 36:18.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: I guess.
[36:18.950 --> 36:19.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, thanks.
[36:19.790 --> 36:19.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bye.
[36:20.570 --> 36:22.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'll see who is this.
[36:23.250 --> 36:24.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I'm on here, Don.
[36:26.490 --> 36:27.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: What the heck?
[36:28.370 --> 36:28.850]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello?
[36:29.370 --> 36:29.630]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello?
[36:30.250 --> 36:32.250]  [SPEAKER_10]: This is Tanya with CMP Repair Service.
[36:32.350 --> 36:32.870]  [SPEAKER_10]: Can I help you?
[36:33.110 --> 36:34.210]  [SPEAKER_10]: Tanya, this is Daisy.
[36:35.570 --> 36:37.130]  [SPEAKER_10]: I have someone on here doing a test.
[36:37.990 --> 36:38.810]  [SPEAKER_10]: May I help you?
[36:39.630 --> 36:41.010]  [SPEAKER_10]: I think we're all on here.
[36:41.770 --> 36:42.530]  [SPEAKER_10]: We're all doing it.
[36:42.630 --> 36:45.590]  [SPEAKER_10]: There's some guy came on here and told me he used to do a test, but I've got Tanya on here, too.
[36:46.370 --> 36:48.230]  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, if he wanted to test with all of us on.
[36:48.970 --> 36:50.290]  [SPEAKER_10]: This is Pamlic City, please.
[36:50.870 --> 36:51.430]  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, my God.
[36:51.790 --> 36:53.550]  [SPEAKER_10]: We got directories on here, too?
[36:53.550 --> 36:53.650]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes.
[36:54.590 --> 36:54.950]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello?
[36:55.390 --> 36:55.550]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello?
[36:56.350 --> 36:57.330]  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, this is Tanya.
[36:57.670 --> 36:58.530]  [SPEAKER_10]: This is Tanya.
[36:58.650 --> 36:59.210]  [SPEAKER_10]: I want to hang up.
[36:59.410 --> 36:59.650]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[37:01.050 --> 37:02.010]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yes, we'll hang up, too.
[37:03.310 --> 37:03.670]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hi.
[37:06.330 --> 37:07.150]  [SPEAKER_10]: Supervisor, may I help you?
[37:07.830 --> 37:09.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: Somebody told me to hold the line for a test.
[37:09.550 --> 37:09.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'll hang around.
[37:10.750 --> 37:11.590]  [SPEAKER_10]: That's what I'm doing.
[37:11.810 --> 37:12.270]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm hanging on.
[37:12.430 --> 37:12.850]  [SPEAKER_10]: That's what I'm doing.
[37:13.070 --> 37:13.650]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hold up for a test.
[37:13.910 --> 37:14.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: Back at it again.
[37:15.930 --> 37:16.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[37:17.290 --> 37:18.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is this the same light?
[37:19.410 --> 37:20.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is...
[37:20.670 --> 37:22.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know who you're talking to.
[37:24.050 --> 37:26.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: Did someone say, hold the line for a test?
[37:26.330 --> 37:27.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: Someone put me on.
[37:27.350 --> 37:27.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hold them.
[37:27.510 --> 37:28.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: Tell me to hold them for a test.
[37:28.790 --> 37:30.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, well, they're making a conference call.
[37:32.970 --> 37:34.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: Where are you at?
[37:34.170 --> 37:34.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: Seattle?
[37:35.610 --> 37:36.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: Are you in Seattle, Washington?
[37:37.210 --> 37:37.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: You got it.
[37:38.590 --> 37:39.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, John Richmond, Virginia.
[37:39.970 --> 37:40.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: Big, right?
[37:40.590 --> 37:41.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's very AT&T line, isn't it?
[37:42.530 --> 37:42.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sure is.
[37:44.690 --> 37:45.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm in repair service.
[37:45.810 --> 37:46.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: Where are you?
[37:46.890 --> 37:49.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm at Ocean Control Center.
[37:49.250 --> 37:49.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[37:50.330 --> 37:51.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: They got me on two phones, eh?
[37:52.810 --> 37:56.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know whether to pitch this over to my supervisor, my inner hall for mine, or what.
[38:08.070 --> 38:09.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: Where are they going to prosecute?
[38:12.170 --> 38:13.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is this supposed to be a trace of something?
[38:14.410 --> 38:15.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, it is.
[38:16.430 --> 38:16.830]  Um...
[38:16.830 --> 38:17.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: Say pardon?
[38:17.490 --> 38:18.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is Seattle.
[38:18.390 --> 38:18.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: Why are they tracing?
[38:21.270 --> 38:21.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: Seattle?
[38:22.290 --> 38:22.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yep.
[38:23.170 --> 38:23.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, that's good.
[38:24.210 --> 38:25.270]  [SPEAKER_10]: And then you got Richmond, too.
[38:25.690 --> 38:26.090]  [SPEAKER_10]: Daisy?
[38:26.750 --> 38:27.070]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[38:27.070 --> 38:27.410]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[38:27.670 --> 38:29.110]  [SPEAKER_10]: And you got Beverly, too.
[38:29.650 --> 38:30.490]  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, my gosh.
[38:31.030 --> 38:33.290]  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, we got Daisy and Beverly and everybody on this.
[38:33.450 --> 38:34.330]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm hanging up.
[38:34.750 --> 38:35.650]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, stay on the line.
[38:35.870 --> 38:37.150]  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't think they want you to hang up.
[38:38.410 --> 38:39.330]  [SPEAKER_10]: Can they help you?
[38:41.270 --> 38:42.610]  [SPEAKER_10]: Off the line.
[38:42.830 --> 38:46.050]  [SPEAKER_10]: If you wish to end your conference, hang up now.
[38:49.650 --> 38:54.830]  [SPEAKER_04]: Wait for an operator to reconnect to your conference controller, or hang up now.
[39:01.970 --> 39:05.830]  [SPEAKER_28]: The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[39:06.750 --> 39:11.250]  [SPEAKER_28]: I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a call.
[39:12.050 --> 39:16.490]  [SPEAKER_28]: It couldn't get much worse, but if they could, they would.
[39:16.750 --> 39:19.350]  [SPEAKER_29]: From Dilly Bumper, the best, expect the worst.
[39:19.950 --> 39:21.830]  [SPEAKER_29]: I hope that's understood.
[39:22.030 --> 39:22.950]  [SPEAKER_29]: From Dilly Bumper!
[39:43.010 --> 39:46.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're listening to Off the Hook, here on WBAI in New York.
[39:46.930 --> 39:54.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm Emanuel Goldstein, and we've been listening to a barrage of teleconferences and party lines and all kinds of things like that.
[39:55.370 --> 39:56.750]  [SPEAKER_12]: And now, folks, it's your turn.
[39:56.750 --> 40:13.950]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you'd like to be a part of what could perhaps be a unique radio experience, although I kind of doubt it on this radio station in particular, what we're going to try to do is have as many of you as possible call in now and link us all together, just like a party,
[40:14.150 --> 40:26.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: just like it is on those party lines that you pay God knows how much for, $2 a minute, $1 a minute, $0.50 a minute, just for the privilege of talking.
[40:26.230 --> 40:31.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, here at WBAI, we're going to offer you something much, much better than that.
[40:31.770 --> 40:37.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: For the price of one phone call, and we don't even get the money for that, and we certainly deserve it, I think.
[40:38.890 --> 40:42.870]  [SPEAKER_12]: For the price of that one phone call, just call us up, and we will link you together.
[40:42.950 --> 40:52.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: And not only will you be linked to other fascinating people, you know they have to be fascinating if they're listening to a fascinating radio station such as this.
[40:53.330 --> 40:54.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: Boy, I'm getting carried away here, aren't I?
[40:54.850 --> 41:01.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: Anyway, not only will that happen, but you'll be put on the air, live, over the air.
[41:08.780 --> 41:15.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, you probably have to sort out through, I don't mean to sort through a lot of people, but there must be all kinds of people calling.
[41:16.520 --> 41:17.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's rather interesting.
[41:18.140 --> 41:20.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: I really haven't had time to investigate it.
[41:21.560 --> 41:22.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Michael from Manhattan again.
[41:23.140 --> 41:24.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: Michael from Manhattan, go ahead.
[41:24.360 --> 41:30.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: I must say that I gave those lines a try just to see what was shaking, and I think that they are pretty disappointing.
[41:31.120 --> 41:37.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: I noticed that the other fellow, I've forgotten his name rather quickly, he just rang off.
[41:37.660 --> 41:38.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Jeff from the West Village.
[41:38.760 --> 41:43.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: He's kind of an extremely gregarious person, it seems to me, and I guess that's good.
[41:43.580 --> 41:54.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: But a lot of people, I think, perhaps like Amy, would be a little bit disappointed because these lines do tend to get taken over by a small band of lowest common denominator terms.
[41:55.300 --> 41:55.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[41:56.400 --> 41:58.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, it doesn't take much to disrupt them.
[41:58.860 --> 42:06.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, all you need is one person shouting racial insults or being a sexist pig, and nobody else can really carry on a decent conversation.
[42:06.040 --> 42:10.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: There are some services, though, that allow you to switch off and have private conversations.
[42:10.900 --> 42:18.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: But then again, you still have to remember that the clock is running, and even if it's only 25 cents a minute, only 25 cents a minute.
[42:18.380 --> 42:18.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: Think of that.
[42:18.780 --> 42:20.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's quite a bit per hour.
[42:20.740 --> 42:23.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't have a calculator with me, but that's a lot of money.
[42:23.620 --> 42:25.020]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let me jump in here.
[42:25.160 --> 42:26.560]  [SPEAKER_18]: This is Amy from Manhattan.
[42:26.820 --> 42:29.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's the reason why I've never used them.
[42:29.360 --> 42:36.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: The only time I've ever used anything was 976-1212 to get the weather, which is the same cost as a normal call.
[42:36.680 --> 42:45.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: If I'm a performing artist, I struggle and struggle trying to make a living as a performing artist, and I can't afford that kind of luxury.
[42:45.440 --> 43:01.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: Now, if only advanced communication technology would make possible ordinary, struggling, working folks like me to enjoy the benefits of communication with other people at the same rate as a normal phone call, I think it would be a wonderful idea.
[43:01.320 --> 43:03.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: Amy, is this the Amy that's into Chinese puppetry?
[43:04.220 --> 43:05.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not puppetry.
[43:05.520 --> 43:08.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Chinese performing arts, martial arts, storytelling.
[43:08.740 --> 43:08.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wait a minute.
[43:08.760 --> 43:09.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: Wait a minute.
[43:09.060 --> 43:09.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Do you people know each other?
[43:10.960 --> 43:12.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, not exactly.
[43:12.620 --> 43:16.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: I listen to James' show now and then, who's frequently on in this time slot.
[43:16.300 --> 43:16.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh-huh.
[43:16.700 --> 43:19.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I've seen advertisements for what Amy does.
[43:19.440 --> 43:22.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I listen to one of her performances, but I never quite got around to it.
[43:22.960 --> 43:29.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: All right, everybody out there, I'm performing Saturday at the Fulton Follick, the Fulton Mall in Brooklyn.
[43:30.360 --> 43:49.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: And this is on Fulton Street, and it's going to be two shows, one at three and one at four, Chinese Kung Fu Story Theater, Chinese song, martial arts, including acrobatic sword dancing, and storytelling Chinese folktales with gorgeous costumes and modern-day contemporary music from swashbuckling sword hero TV theme songs,
[43:50.260 --> 43:53.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: sung in Mandarin, translated into English, and stories told in English.
[43:53.620 --> 43:56.320]  [SPEAKER_18]: Very exciting, unique, the only thing like it in the Western world.
[43:56.520 --> 43:57.500]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're all invited.
[43:58.040 --> 44:03.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, now, we are having a teleconference here on the air.
[44:03.300 --> 44:05.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: The phone number is 279-3400.
[44:05.720 --> 44:08.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you call now, you will get a busy signal because all of our lines are lit up.
[44:09.060 --> 44:14.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: And if you are currently in the process of ringing us, well, you're one of the fortunate few to get through.
[44:14.840 --> 44:16.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: Just let the phone keep ringing until we get to you.
[44:16.880 --> 44:21.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you have a fairly decent phone company, they won't charge you until we pick up.
[44:21.900 --> 44:23.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: So you don't have to worry about that.
[44:23.240 --> 44:27.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: But we have Michael from Manhattan, Amy from Manhattan, and Daniel from the East Village.
[44:28.060 --> 44:29.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: Why don't you all try saying hello at the same time?
[44:30.240 --> 44:30.520]  Hello!
[44:31.500 --> 44:32.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, that's close enough.
[44:32.540 --> 44:32.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[44:33.000 --> 44:33.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: Close enough.
[44:33.420 --> 44:34.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're going to go to another call.
[44:37.260 --> 44:37.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[44:37.980 --> 44:38.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: You are on.
[44:39.000 --> 44:39.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, hi.
[44:39.620 --> 44:40.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: And who are you?
[44:40.400 --> 44:41.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm Keith.
[44:41.200 --> 44:42.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm over here in the Garden State.
[44:43.140 --> 44:43.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: Over where?
[44:43.940 --> 44:45.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: Over in New Jersey.
[44:45.380 --> 44:45.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: New Jersey.
[44:45.840 --> 44:46.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: Where in New Jersey?
[44:46.420 --> 44:46.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: New Jersey!
[44:47.220 --> 44:47.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: In the Garden County.
[44:48.060 --> 44:48.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[44:49.120 --> 44:50.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're going to have to talk a little bit louder.
[44:50.640 --> 44:51.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: How about this?
[44:51.140 --> 44:51.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is this better?
[44:51.700 --> 44:52.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's much better.
[44:53.240 --> 44:53.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, a carrier.
[44:54.780 --> 44:55.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah.
[44:57.180 --> 45:01.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: BAI listeners are kind of spoiled because we get to do this every now and again.
[45:04.400 --> 45:07.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: Somebody, not too many people know how to, I guess, do it.
[45:07.120 --> 45:10.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: There must be some little trick to getting more than one person on the air at the same time.
[45:11.060 --> 45:11.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh-huh.
[45:11.500 --> 45:11.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hello?
[45:12.300 --> 45:12.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hold on.
[45:12.880 --> 45:13.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hold on one minute.
[45:13.400 --> 45:13.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Who's that?
[45:14.020 --> 45:15.900]  Okay, I'm sorry for the interruption.
[45:16.180 --> 45:17.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: This must be the operator.
[45:18.160 --> 45:19.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Someone is doing an emergency interrupt on us, right?
[45:20.260 --> 45:20.400]  Right.
[45:20.680 --> 45:22.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, they can't do that.
[45:22.240 --> 45:23.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: But they can't do that.
[45:23.460 --> 45:26.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: This is a radio call-in show, and they'll just have to wait their turn.
[45:26.700 --> 45:27.540]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[45:27.820 --> 45:29.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Charge them the maximum for that, please.
[45:29.580 --> 45:30.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I will.
[45:30.520 --> 45:30.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[45:31.320 --> 45:34.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: They can charge you a lot of money when you interrupt the radio call-in show, folks.
[45:35.060 --> 45:37.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Charge them for my call from New Jersey, would you?
[45:38.940 --> 45:40.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, so Keith from New Jersey.
[45:40.620 --> 45:44.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: Can you call the same conferences we can call here in New York?
[45:44.640 --> 45:45.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I don't think so.
[45:46.060 --> 45:48.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think New Jersey has some regulations.
[45:49.420 --> 45:51.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm dealing with those.
[45:51.780 --> 45:53.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Of course, I see the ads on TV.
[45:53.980 --> 45:56.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: I've seen ads on TV for some of the 900-member calls.
[45:57.380 --> 45:57.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[45:57.720 --> 45:58.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, those you can call.
[45:58.580 --> 46:01.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I wouldn't bother myself.
[46:02.500 --> 46:12.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: It pretty much sounds, from the tapes that you played before, it pretty much sounds like what I figured they would be.
[46:12.340 --> 46:17.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, you know, what gets me about that is they say the new low price, only a dollar a minute.
[46:17.800 --> 46:22.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: And when you think about it, what gives them the right to say something?
[46:22.900 --> 46:24.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: They're saying black is white.
[46:24.140 --> 46:26.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: The new low, nothing costs a dollar a minute.
[46:26.960 --> 46:29.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: A call to Saudi Arabia costs less than that.
[46:29.340 --> 46:32.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: I had a teleconference via computer earlier this evening.
[46:32.200 --> 46:33.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have one every Thursday night.
[46:33.620 --> 46:33.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[46:34.000 --> 46:35.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: That runs five bucks an hour.
[46:36.000 --> 46:36.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[46:36.540 --> 46:38.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: And that's, you know, worldwide.
[46:38.840 --> 46:42.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sometimes we get guys from Japan that get in with that one, too.
[46:42.920 --> 46:43.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[46:43.500 --> 46:44.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: What's the name of the service?
[46:45.940 --> 46:46.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's CompuServe.
[46:47.860 --> 46:51.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: On CompuServe, you have a conference with your computer.
[46:51.500 --> 46:51.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[46:51.640 --> 46:54.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: And you can type, and somebody else can type on the other side of the world.
[46:54.920 --> 47:01.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's more of a, more of like in the information, you know, the sharing of information, rather than just, you know, hi, hello, how are you?
[47:01.100 --> 47:03.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: We get up to a little bit of that, too, every now and again.
[47:03.300 --> 47:08.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: There is an article in the Times about that, latest in chat lines, hookups by computers.
[47:08.480 --> 47:10.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: There's a company called Newcom Link.
[47:11.060 --> 47:12.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, that's something, I've been listening to that.
[47:12.900 --> 47:16.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: I, um, I'm kind of a radio, and I've got all kinds of radios here.
[47:16.760 --> 47:20.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: My latest edition was a radio that receives cellular calls.
[47:21.740 --> 47:28.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: And last week, I was listening to a guy go through his messages on these new voicemail systems that they have out.
[47:28.640 --> 47:28.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[47:29.060 --> 47:30.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: They seem pretty interesting.
[47:30.820 --> 47:32.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, now, it's interesting you bring that up, too.
[47:32.520 --> 47:43.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: First of all, because of the Electronic Privacy Act of 1986, you realize that listening to a cellular phone call, well, even on your TV set, they will show up around Channel 83, if you listen to those, it's illegal.
[47:43.780 --> 47:49.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, I don't know how, I don't know how they're going to find out you're doing it, but if they should somehow find out that you're doing it, it's illegal.
[47:49.840 --> 47:50.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know, I've, I've...
[47:50.660 --> 47:53.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: And that's the only protection you have when you make a cellular phone call.
[47:54.520 --> 47:57.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, it's, I don't know, there's, it seems to me there's a lot of people.
[47:57.680 --> 48:02.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, there's, there's a few radios on the market that do it as you buy them off the shelf.
[48:02.580 --> 48:07.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's a couple of radios like mine where all you have to do is get into the back of them and snip a few leads.
[48:08.200 --> 48:09.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: It brings in that stuff.
[48:09.680 --> 48:10.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's, it's, it's pretty interesting.
[48:11.000 --> 48:25.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: The radios that aren't designed to do it, um, because they're all microprocessor controlled, when you, when you change some of the parameters of the microprocessor, I mean, it's, it's, it's like it was, the radio actually was designed to pick up cellular phones,
[48:25.620 --> 48:28.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: and then they blocked your access to a certain...
[48:28.000 --> 48:35.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right, well, now, they may rebuild them differently now, or, or they may just override that whole silly law and just put some kind of scrambling in.
[48:35.900 --> 48:38.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: Anyway, uh, Keith, we, we want to go to some more call.
[48:38.200 --> 48:39.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: So, you stay on the line.
[48:39.340 --> 48:41.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: Does anyone else want to leave at this point?
[48:41.440 --> 48:43.560]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't want to leave, but I'd like to say something.
[48:43.760 --> 48:44.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: All right, go ahead, Amy.
[48:44.480 --> 48:53.300]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, um, I'd like to mention that, as far as worldwide communication goes, I'm very much an enthusiastic shortwave radio listener.
[48:53.300 --> 48:56.720]  [SPEAKER_18]: When I'm not listening to BAI, I usually have my shortwave going.
[48:56.980 --> 48:58.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: What do you listen to on shortwave?
[48:58.120 --> 49:14.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um, anything in English, just my favorites are BBC World Service, Radio Canada International, Radio Netherlands, Radio West Germany, Radio Swiss International, um, you can get Radio Moscow, which I'm not as fond of, Radio Havana, which I don't like so much,
[49:14.620 --> 49:32.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: um, VOA, um, gosh, Radio Spain, um, some of the other things, like Radio Beijing, Radio South Africa, Radio, uh, Free China from, uh, Taiwan, are harder to get, but you can, um, diddle around the dial and pick up all kinds of things.
[49:32.020 --> 49:32.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: A terrific book.
[49:32.640 --> 49:47.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: If, if, uh, you're ever in a store that has, um, has shortwave, uh, paraphernalia in it, Radio Database International has sort of a graph of every station, English language broadcast, different other, other languages, Spanish, French.
[49:47.300 --> 49:53.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, what a lot of people don't know is that all these services, Radio Moscow, Radio Sofia in Bulgaria, they all...
[49:53.840 --> 49:56.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yes, I get that one, too, in Czechoslovakia, Prague.
[49:56.200 --> 50:00.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: Radio Prague, they all speak English at some point, and it's fascinating to listen to.
[50:00.460 --> 50:01.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: Can I ask Amy a question?
[50:01.460 --> 50:01.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sure.
[50:01.980 --> 50:10.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, Amy, have you heard... I, I was listening to Radio Moscow, oh, it was probably about two months ago, and they were using a BAI feed.
[50:11.020 --> 50:16.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: They were using a Pacifica news feed that came from New York City, right out of the studios of BAI on Radio Moscow.
[50:16.480 --> 50:17.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, have you heard anything like that?
[50:18.180 --> 50:18.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, I did.
[50:19.120 --> 50:25.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: I heard a BAI news feed with our old, with our dear friend from Contragate on Radio Havana.
[50:25.340 --> 50:25.580]  Yeah.
[50:26.120 --> 50:27.740]  [SPEAKER_18]: I'll tell you, we hit the big time.
[50:27.780 --> 50:33.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: I'm trying to remember who, who, it was not Robert Knight, the other person who's always on Contragate all the time.
[50:33.240 --> 50:34.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: I would tell you, I said you were going to be over.
[50:34.580 --> 50:35.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's Dennis Burstein.
[50:35.300 --> 50:38.820]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, that's it, Eric Burstein, and I freaked out.
[50:38.900 --> 50:45.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: It was so great, because they had called Eric Burstein to interview him directly.
[50:45.040 --> 50:52.700]  [SPEAKER_18]: It wasn't even exactly BAI feed, but it was rather they had actually contacted him to do a special interview for Radio Havana, Cuba.
[50:53.060 --> 50:54.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's great stuff.
[50:54.380 --> 50:54.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's great stuff.
[50:55.020 --> 50:56.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think more people, I really feel that stuff.
[50:56.900 --> 51:01.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: I try and show as many people my shortwave, my little shortwave radio here.
[51:01.740 --> 51:07.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, I have a Sony 7600A, and right next to it is my Radio Database International.
[51:08.420 --> 51:12.980]  [SPEAKER_18]: I'd like to get more Middle Eastern stations, but I can't seem to pick them up in English.
[51:13.340 --> 51:16.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, all India radio plays a lot of Indian music all the time.
[51:16.680 --> 51:17.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: They don't really say anything.
[51:17.680 --> 51:23.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: I've picked up Iranian radio, but they rarely speak English, and they don't really say much when they do.
[51:24.420 --> 51:26.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: They don't read news or anything like that.
[51:26.420 --> 51:28.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: Anyway, let's go to some more calls.
[51:28.580 --> 51:29.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have four people on the line.
[51:30.100 --> 51:31.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have Michael from Manhattan.
[51:31.440 --> 51:35.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have Amy from Manhattan, Daniel from the East Village, and Keith from New Jersey.
[51:36.160 --> 51:39.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: My name's Emmanuel Goldstein, and I'm the host of Off the Hook.
[51:39.320 --> 51:42.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: We'll be on until 3.30 here on WBAI New York.
[51:42.960 --> 51:46.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: And let's go to caller number five.
[51:46.200 --> 51:46.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[51:46.640 --> 51:47.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[51:47.360 --> 51:48.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hi, this is Louie from Brooklyn.
[51:48.300 --> 51:48.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: How you doing?
[51:48.780 --> 51:49.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: Louie from Brooklyn.
[51:49.520 --> 51:49.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: How you doing?
[51:49.940 --> 51:50.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: How's it going?
[51:50.460 --> 51:51.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: Listen, I have a question for you.
[51:51.680 --> 51:51.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[51:52.240 --> 51:55.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: Where can I pick up a shortwave listener's guide that Radio Shack used to sell?
[51:56.940 --> 52:01.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I know Barry Electronics in New York is one place.
[52:01.240 --> 52:02.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm sure there's many others.
[52:02.700 --> 52:04.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: But that's where I got mine.
[52:04.780 --> 52:05.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: Barry's Electronics?
[52:05.800 --> 52:06.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's on Broadway somewhere.
[52:07.200 --> 52:07.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: Beautiful.
[52:07.700 --> 52:08.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's the only one I know of.
[52:08.900 --> 52:10.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: I was going crazy looking for one.
[52:10.340 --> 52:10.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[52:11.120 --> 52:16.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can also call one of the magazines, like Popular Communications or something, and just ask them.
[52:16.720 --> 52:18.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'd say the WRTH
[52:21.750 --> 52:22.810]  bookstore or something.
[52:22.930 --> 52:24.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: That one's the easiest of them to get.
[52:24.490 --> 52:26.350]  [SPEAKER_12]: That World Radio and Television Handbook, yes.
[52:27.010 --> 52:27.350]  [SPEAKER_20]: Beautiful.
[52:27.630 --> 52:28.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's interesting.
[52:28.390 --> 52:31.230]  [SPEAKER_12]: A lot of telephone people seem to be into shortwave as well.
[52:31.350 --> 52:32.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: I've wondered about that.
[52:32.530 --> 52:34.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's where it all kind of got started.
[52:34.570 --> 52:36.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, good old Marconi and his boys.
[52:36.290 --> 52:36.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[52:36.730 --> 52:38.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, Louie from Brooklyn, do you want to stay on?
[52:38.370 --> 52:38.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, sure, wouldn't I?
[52:38.990 --> 52:39.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[52:39.250 --> 52:45.910]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have five people on the line, and I must warn you, perhaps the quality will get worse as we add people.
[52:45.970 --> 52:47.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have a maximum of ten.
[52:47.290 --> 52:48.230]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's go for the bingo.
[52:48.330 --> 52:50.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're halfway there, so let's go to number six.
[52:51.230 --> 52:51.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[52:51.650 --> 52:52.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[52:52.550 --> 52:54.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi, this is George from Queens.
[52:54.470 --> 52:55.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: George from Queens.
[52:55.230 --> 52:56.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have just about all the boroughs represented.
[52:56.750 --> 52:58.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: I can barely hear you guys.
[52:58.870 --> 53:00.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, we're starting to have trouble.
[53:00.230 --> 53:06.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I think I've turned up my radio just a tiny bit so I can get some clarity here.
[53:06.930 --> 53:07.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[53:08.790 --> 53:11.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: But I just want to say that, first of all, I want to say hi, Amy.
[53:11.190 --> 53:12.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: I've heard you on other shows before.
[53:12.670 --> 53:13.170]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hi, George.
[53:13.170 --> 53:15.170]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're coming in loud and clear on my line.
[53:15.310 --> 53:15.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, that's cool.
[53:15.930 --> 53:16.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now I can hear you just fine.
[53:17.490 --> 53:21.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: I also just want to say that I'm a martial arts enthusiast as well.
[53:21.890 --> 53:22.550]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, good.
[53:23.470 --> 53:31.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it's very nice that you tell stories with what you do, you know.
[53:32.050 --> 53:34.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: My style just deals more with elements and elements.
[53:34.830 --> 53:40.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: But what I just wanted to say was that my phone bill was extremely high the past month.
[53:40.370 --> 53:41.070]  [SPEAKER_12]: About how much?
[53:44.710 --> 53:45.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: $225.
[53:45.190 --> 53:46.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's relatively low.
[53:46.710 --> 53:51.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, we're talking about people here that had tens of thousands of dollars in phone bills just for these chat lines.
[53:51.950 --> 53:54.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: If I have an $80 phone bill, that's too high.
[53:55.110 --> 53:56.110]  [SPEAKER_07]: What do these people do?
[53:56.230 --> 53:58.570]  [SPEAKER_07]: They work... they're on the phone 11 hours a day?
[53:58.930 --> 54:01.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I... I mean, don't they work?
[54:01.430 --> 54:02.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, it wasn't me.
[54:02.430 --> 54:12.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, sometimes, you know, I work rather late hours and I don't have... I don't have much of a social art to speak of.
[54:12.470 --> 54:16.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, like, sometimes I would just call these lines just to hear another human voice.
[54:17.630 --> 54:17.750]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[54:18.230 --> 54:23.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, you know, what people did in the old days and what they still do now is just call numbers at random and start conversations.
[54:24.210 --> 54:26.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: In fact, many times, phone operators will even talk to you.
[54:26.990 --> 54:27.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[54:27.310 --> 54:31.350]  [SPEAKER_12]: Call 800 numbers at random and just see who answers and see what part of the country they're in.
[54:31.470 --> 54:33.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can have some great conversations there and it doesn't cost you anything.
[54:34.090 --> 54:34.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[54:34.390 --> 54:43.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I just had those services blocked, you know, on my line and because it was just getting too much at one point.
[54:43.510 --> 54:50.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, even though, I mean, there was a lot of just inane stupidity on these lines, I was just put up with it just so I could hear it, you know?
[54:51.150 --> 54:51.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[54:51.630 --> 54:53.010]  [SPEAKER_12]: And you had to pay for it as well.
[54:53.250 --> 54:53.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[54:53.950 --> 54:54.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[54:54.830 --> 54:59.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: But I guess, I mean, that's my lesson learned, but I guess it doesn't have to be that way.
[55:00.130 --> 55:05.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, just like you said, I could, you know, just call an operator or something of that nature.
[55:05.850 --> 55:06.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is my...
[55:08.110 --> 55:08.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead, Michael.
[55:08.850 --> 55:13.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: About one or two calls, I stopped immediately because I sensed that there was an addicting element there.
[55:13.810 --> 55:20.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I really have a feeling that a few months or maybe a few years down the road, you're going to have Congress holding hearings on phone addiction.
[55:21.430 --> 55:25.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think that it definitely is an addiction for the people who get involved with it.
[55:25.490 --> 55:28.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: Though I myself was spared by just kind of being prudent.
[55:28.790 --> 55:29.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: Another thing...
[55:29.350 --> 55:47.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think what Emmanuel brought up in his show was the fact that I think it was a very good point that the freedom of information, I mean, the freedom of phone lines in particular is essential because I think the thing that keeps us from really communicating with each other is the money.
[55:47.790 --> 55:48.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh-huh.
[55:48.370 --> 55:48.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yep.
[55:49.470 --> 55:50.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's a monopoly.
[55:51.010 --> 56:04.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you want to learn about a cheap way of doing that, I don't know about you guys, but for myself, if I called up something like that, it seems like I would listen, you know, to a lot of other stuff going on rather than talk much myself.
[56:04.890 --> 56:07.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: And something that's a lot cheaper is scanners.
[56:07.910 --> 56:08.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: Scanners?
[56:08.510 --> 56:08.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: Scanners?
[56:08.750 --> 56:08.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[56:09.110 --> 56:09.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: Where are they?
[56:09.870 --> 56:12.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can listen to, like, you know, the cellular calls.
[56:12.790 --> 56:14.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can listen to other people's phone calls on that.
[56:15.170 --> 56:15.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: Scanners?
[56:15.650 --> 56:17.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: I hope you don't bust your heads apart.
[56:17.830 --> 56:18.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, no.
[56:18.390 --> 56:19.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: Different kinds of scanners there.
[56:19.970 --> 56:23.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can listen to the police and you can, you know, hear what they're up to.
[56:23.390 --> 56:25.510]  [SPEAKER_07]: Also, cordless telephones also you can pick up on that.
[56:25.850 --> 56:32.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: Cordless telephones and even the portable telephones, the ones that just, you know, transmit it inside somebody's house or...
[56:32.790 --> 56:32.970]  [SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[56:33.110 --> 56:35.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: ...out at their pool or something like that.
[56:35.710 --> 56:36.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: Cordless.
[56:36.350 --> 56:40.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, you don't study that, but that is a little bit on the invasion of privacy side.
[56:40.850 --> 56:43.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, not that I would think of...
[56:43.130 --> 56:44.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I don't know about that.
[56:44.550 --> 56:49.850]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not that I would have a second thought about listening on Oliver North, but there might be people who just wanted to be by themselves.
[56:50.210 --> 57:03.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think there's a larger issue of the control of privacy, which I think what companies like AT&T or any like them do, because they're controlling how or who we can be private with.
[57:04.130 --> 57:08.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: To all due respect, I think that's liberal, knee-jerk kind of talk.
[57:08.890 --> 57:09.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
[57:09.210 --> 57:12.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think the only control they have is that they're the ones who are paying for the technology.
[57:13.230 --> 57:14.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think it would be great.
[57:14.470 --> 57:15.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, they're not paying for it.
[57:15.290 --> 57:16.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're controlling the technology.
[57:16.510 --> 57:17.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're hoarding it.
[57:17.410 --> 57:20.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: They don't, you know, they don't want to do anything with it.
[57:20.390 --> 57:27.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, people like AT&T were drag-kicking and screaming into like the private computer age, you know?
[57:27.830 --> 57:30.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, it's just a matter of control on their part.
[57:30.950 --> 57:33.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is somebody holding their phone too close to their radio?
[57:33.470 --> 57:34.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're getting a little bit of feedback there.
[57:36.590 --> 57:43.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, well, I'm glad to see this conversation really taking off here, and I can assure you nothing like this ever happens on the other kinds of conferences.
[57:43.550 --> 57:45.870]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're going to try to bring in the remaining people now.
[57:46.450 --> 57:48.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're up to number seven.
[57:48.490 --> 57:48.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm sorry...
[57:48.970 --> 57:49.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: Great performing again.
[57:50.870 --> 57:51.410]  [SPEAKER_18]: Go ahead.
[57:51.630 --> 57:52.310]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead, Amy.
[57:53.370 --> 57:59.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: I'd like to know if this program is going to be a regular Thursday night event on BAI, or is this just a one-shot special?
[57:59.990 --> 58:03.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, this is how you might say a pilot for a program.
[58:03.470 --> 58:11.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I'm sure if it gets positive feedback, and not the kind of feedback we just heard, we'll see more of it because there's so many things to talk about in the telephone world.
[58:11.910 --> 58:19.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I'm one of those people that you might call a phone freak who just spends a lot of time playing with telephones, and I can talk about this for hours.
[58:19.850 --> 58:21.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, what about James Ursay?
[58:21.250 --> 58:21.810]  What's going to go...
[58:21.810 --> 58:23.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: What I'd like to know is...
[58:23.110 --> 58:24.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: James Ursay should be back next week.
[58:24.990 --> 58:25.950]  [SPEAKER_12]: Don't worry, don't panic.
[58:25.990 --> 58:38.150]  [SPEAKER_18]: I'd like to know if any shortwave freaks out there who just are addicted to shortwave radio would somehow like to get together and meet and just shoot the breeze on what they think about the news from, you know, around the world and so forth.
[58:38.230 --> 58:43.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: Because I'm really hungry for that kind of idea of sharing.
[58:44.190 --> 58:59.590]  [SPEAKER_12]: It sounds like you would be very into another program that I've done on a different radio station called News of the World where I kind of collate newscasts from all over different shortwave services and also tapes that they send out and sort of make a weekly news summary out of it.
[58:59.710 --> 59:00.990]  [SPEAKER_20]: Are you a ham yourself, Emmanuel?
[59:00.990 --> 59:02.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm not a ham myself, no.
[59:02.570 --> 59:08.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: In fact, I can't listen to hams because all they do is talk about their equipment and that turns me off.
[59:08.690 --> 59:12.470]  [SPEAKER_18]: I started becoming a ham radio operator and I quickly changed my mind.
[59:12.970 --> 59:23.230]  [SPEAKER_12]: No offense to the hams out there and you certainly don't want to offend hams because they're a powerful bunch of people but, you know, there's a lot being said on shortwave and no one really listens to what's being said.
[59:23.370 --> 59:25.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: They just try to get something from far away.
[59:25.750 --> 59:27.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: There's a lot of things being said there.
[59:27.530 --> 59:29.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: Amy, where are you performing next?
[59:29.030 --> 59:29.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: Is it true?
[59:29.790 --> 59:31.410]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, am I performing next?
[59:31.690 --> 59:38.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: I said this earlier but I'll say this again for the benefit of people who just tuned in and are wondering what's going on in this conference call.
[59:39.930 --> 59:49.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: I'm a performing artist and my one-woman show is going to be on in Brooklyn next Saturday at the Fulton Farwick, Fulton Street, Fulton Mall.
[59:50.350 --> 59:52.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: And there will be two shows, one at 3 p.m.
[59:52.930 --> 59:54.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: and one at 4 p.m.
[59:54.170 --> 01:00:11.470]  [SPEAKER_18]: of Chinese kung fu story theater, Chinese song, contemporary swashbuckling sword hero TV theme song sung in Mandarin, words explained in English with martial art movements performed while I sing, acrobatic sword dancing, you have to see to believe, and storytelling,
[01:00:11.830 --> 01:00:15.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: traditional Chinese folk tales in English.
[01:00:15.970 --> 01:00:22.170]  [SPEAKER_18]: And as I speak, I act out the stories of movement blending martial arts and traditional Chinese theater.
[01:00:22.170 --> 01:00:31.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: I dress in the costume of an ancient Chinese sword hero, and I use cassette tape music, and it's quite exciting and unique.
[01:00:31.370 --> 01:00:34.650]  [SPEAKER_18]: As far as I know, I'm the only one in the Western world that does anything like this.
[01:00:34.930 --> 01:00:39.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: And this is the only teleconference in New York City right now where we're talking about this, and we're also live on the air.
[01:00:39.950 --> 01:00:41.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: The program is called Off the Hook.
[01:00:41.330 --> 01:00:48.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're on until 3.30, and we're talking about conferences, telephones, computers, shortwave, all that kind of thing.
[01:00:48.810 --> 01:00:50.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm Emanuel Goldstein.
[01:00:50.030 --> 01:00:53.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: We'll be here until, as I said, just a few seconds ago, 3.30.
[01:00:53.710 --> 01:00:56.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: And we're going to take another couple of calls here.
[01:00:56.970 --> 01:00:58.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: Our number is 279-3400.
[01:00:58.790 --> 01:01:00.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: All of our lines seem to be tied up right now.
[01:01:00.650 --> 01:01:03.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're going to try to bring in a seventh caller.
[01:01:03.310 --> 01:01:04.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's see who we have.
[01:01:04.170 --> 01:01:04.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[01:01:04.590 --> 01:01:05.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[01:01:05.350 --> 01:01:05.870]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hi, how you doing?
[01:01:06.070 --> 01:01:06.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hi.
[01:01:06.550 --> 01:01:07.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hi, this is John from Manhattan.
[01:01:08.190 --> 01:01:08.870]  [SPEAKER_12]: John from Manhattan.
[01:01:09.250 --> 01:01:11.010]  [SPEAKER_18]: Wow, I'm the only woman here.
[01:01:11.710 --> 01:01:15.210]  [SPEAKER_18]: I better stay on the line so I can be the token feminist, right?
[01:01:16.950 --> 01:01:17.890]  [SPEAKER_12]: John from Manhattan.
[01:01:18.070 --> 01:01:19.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now tell us something about yourself.
[01:01:20.150 --> 01:01:26.430]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I've actually taken part in a number of illegal PBX Alliance phone calls...
[01:01:26.430 --> 01:01:26.670]  [SPEAKER_12]: Really?
[01:01:26.770 --> 01:01:27.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: Tell us about that.
[01:01:27.410 --> 01:01:27.870]  [SPEAKER_07]: ...a few years ago.
[01:01:28.370 --> 01:01:43.170]  [SPEAKER_07]: A few of my friends were able to acquire the knowledge on how to do it, and, you know, they brought me into an early stage, and we ended up bringing about 20, 25 people on the line all over the country, calling up our old friends who we hadn't seen, you know,
[01:01:43.210 --> 01:01:45.550]  [SPEAKER_07]: in five years or whatever, calling up people we didn't know.
[01:01:45.670 --> 01:01:46.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, let me ask you something.
[01:01:46.850 --> 01:01:58.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: When you realized that you had this power that you could just call anybody you wanted to and hook them together and talk for as long as you wanted without having to worry about the cost, didn't it sort of put everything into a different perspective?
[01:01:59.350 --> 01:02:03.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: Did you realize how kind of unfair it is to actually charge people to communicate?
[01:02:03.450 --> 01:02:07.350]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and beyond that, for a number of years, I don't do it anymore.
[01:02:07.390 --> 01:02:12.950]  [SPEAKER_07]: I used to make a large number of phone calls using other people's access codes.
[01:02:12.970 --> 01:02:15.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's very risky to do things like that, yes, very definitely.
[01:02:15.930 --> 01:02:17.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: I would obtain them through the use of my computer.
[01:02:18.110 --> 01:02:31.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm involved with a computer magazine called 2600, and a lot of computer hackers and phone freaks read it, and kind of provides the information about how these systems are used, how the phone systems are abused, and things like that.
[01:02:32.150 --> 01:02:33.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: And there's a lot of interest out there.
[01:02:33.690 --> 01:02:34.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I don't do it anymore at all.
[01:02:36.390 --> 01:02:42.150]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's terribly addicting to be able to call a bulletin board in California because you can call it for free.
[01:02:42.530 --> 01:02:45.590]  [SPEAKER_07]: To be able to call any bulletin board anywhere or anybody by voice.
[01:02:45.590 --> 01:02:52.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: But as a direct result of computer hackers and phone freaks abusing the system, one company, namely U.S.
[01:02:52.690 --> 01:02:59.750]  [SPEAKER_12]: Sprint, has actually offered a service dedicated to those kind of people at a low cost, offering unlimited service.
[01:02:59.850 --> 01:03:01.230]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm talking about PC Pursuit.
[01:03:01.350 --> 01:03:04.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: For a flat fee, you can talk to any computer system in the country virtually.
[01:03:05.230 --> 01:03:06.310]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I get a lot of mail from them.
[01:03:07.030 --> 01:03:10.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: So that kind of thing is on the rise, at least I hope so.
[01:03:10.490 --> 01:03:12.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: Listen, I'm getting off the phone right now.
[01:03:12.250 --> 01:03:12.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, who are you?
[01:03:12.910 --> 01:03:13.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is George from Queens.
[01:03:13.950 --> 01:03:14.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: George from Queens.
[01:03:15.130 --> 01:03:16.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, well, thanks very much for calling, George.
[01:03:16.450 --> 01:03:17.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: George, goodbye, George.
[01:03:17.490 --> 01:03:18.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bye-bye, Amy.
[01:03:18.210 --> 01:03:18.850]  [SPEAKER_13]: Take care of yourself.
[01:03:19.070 --> 01:03:20.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, we're going to release you.
[01:03:20.330 --> 01:03:20.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bye-bye.
[01:03:21.650 --> 01:03:23.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I hope I released the right person here.
[01:03:23.930 --> 01:03:24.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hold on one moment.
[01:03:25.190 --> 01:03:25.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:03:26.070 --> 01:03:27.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: It released itself and we have another caller already.
[01:03:27.830 --> 01:03:28.230]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, go ahead.
[01:03:28.470 --> 01:03:29.070]  This is Michael.
[01:03:29.170 --> 01:03:46.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have a teleconferencing service in Japan, and I was wondering if you had any idea whether, given that the Japanese culture is rather different from ours, whether the nature and the level of the kind of stuff that was happening over there was different from the unfortunately low level that we have.
[01:03:46.420 --> 01:03:48.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I'd have to admit complete ignorance on that.
[01:03:48.560 --> 01:03:50.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: I can only imagine what it might be like.
[01:03:50.460 --> 01:03:53.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I wouldn't be surprised if it's very similar.
[01:03:53.560 --> 01:04:03.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: It seems to be that Americanization of whether it's McDonald's or conference calls, things somehow fall into that old American way.
[01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:06.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: And, unfortunately, this might be one of them.
[01:04:06.340 --> 01:04:12.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, Emmanuel, without getting into a long thing about that, I think that there are some misperceptions about the Americanization of Asia.
[01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:20.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Japan and some other countries, such as Taiwan, do actually maintain a uniquely Japanese and Chinese spirit.
[01:04:20.560 --> 01:04:21.360]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, absolutely.
[01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: I lived in Taiwan for two years, and I can tell you that's absolutely true.
[01:04:25.180 --> 01:04:25.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:04:26.300 --> 01:04:27.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Anyway, next caller.
[01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:28.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Go for it.
[01:04:28.080 --> 01:04:28.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, let's go for it.
[01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:31.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: This will be caller number eight, I believe.
[01:04:31.080 --> 01:04:34.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Actually, we're down to six because we have two people that dropped off, so...
[01:04:34.900 --> 01:04:35.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: Here we go.
[01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:36.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:36.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[01:04:37.120 --> 01:04:43.200]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I'm a participant in a lot of those 2,600 bulletin boards up here in Westchester County.
[01:04:43.200 --> 01:04:44.290]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm calling from Yonkers.
[01:04:44.660 --> 01:04:45.290]  [SPEAKER_11]: Hold on a second.
[01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:46.260]  [SPEAKER_11]: I got some feedback here.
[01:04:46.260 --> 01:04:47.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: You have a little bit of feedback.
[01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:47.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now it's gone.
[01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:48.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, you've heard of 2,600.
[01:04:49.060 --> 01:04:50.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's always heartening to hear.
[01:04:50.460 --> 01:04:50.920]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:04:51.300 --> 01:04:51.660]  [SPEAKER_11]: And...
[01:04:51.660 --> 01:04:52.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: What's your name, and where are you calling from?
[01:04:52.940 --> 01:04:53.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: My name's Tom.
[01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:54.320]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm calling from Yonkers.
[01:04:54.560 --> 01:04:54.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:04:55.140 --> 01:05:00.500]  [SPEAKER_11]: And it's a pleasure to hear this kind of basic primer in telecommunications.
[01:05:00.500 --> 01:05:02.020]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's happening on the radio.
[01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:05.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: I think people need more of it.
[01:05:06.540 --> 01:05:12.790]  [SPEAKER_11]: I've learned a lot just from the BIOC files and stuff like that that I've found on these...
[01:05:12.790 --> 01:05:13.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: The BIOC files.
[01:05:14.020 --> 01:05:15.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: That brings back memories.
[01:05:15.520 --> 01:05:17.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: It might not mean anything to anyone else listening.
[01:05:17.500 --> 01:05:18.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't remember.
[01:05:18.380 --> 01:05:28.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: But the BIOC files, this guy named BIOC agent number three, would write the most articulate documents on how the phone system works, how to build a blue box...
[01:05:28.540 --> 01:05:29.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: Boxes and red boxes.
[01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:29.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: Red boxes.
[01:05:30.180 --> 01:05:33.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: All that kind of thing that the average person just does not have any conception of.
[01:05:33.940 --> 01:05:37.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: And every phone freak in the country knew about this, and they still do.
[01:05:37.540 --> 01:05:48.840]  [SPEAKER_11]: And, I mean, they're still archived, and although a lot of them are way out of date now since the breakup of the phone company, there's still some real information in there and more coming on every day.
[01:05:49.100 --> 01:05:51.940]  [SPEAKER_11]: Do you have a number for one of these boards where this information is posted?
[01:05:51.940 --> 01:05:53.800]  [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, okay.
[01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:59.380]  [SPEAKER_11]: The only number that comes immediately to mind is 725-4060.
[01:06:00.600 --> 01:06:02.140]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's 914 area code.
[01:06:02.290 --> 01:06:03.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hasn't that been down?
[01:06:03.260 --> 01:06:04.800]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's been down, which is...
[01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:07.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: I guess another one you can...
[01:06:07.340 --> 01:06:08.960]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's the only one that comes to mind.
[01:06:09.040 --> 01:06:09.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: I keep...
[01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:13.620]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm one of those lazy guys who keeps all my numbers in a phone file and never remembers them.
[01:06:13.860 --> 01:06:18.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, Tom, you don't have to get flustered because I have a list in front of me of the official...
[01:06:18.020 --> 01:06:18.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: 2600 boards.
[01:06:18.740 --> 01:06:20.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: Official 2600 boards.
[01:06:20.120 --> 01:06:22.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: I've got a copy of 2600 in front of me right here.
[01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:24.240]  [SPEAKER_11]: I think you have central office.
[01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:25.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Central office is...
[01:06:25.900 --> 01:06:27.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, that's the next one we're going to read.
[01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:31.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: Area code 914-234-3260.
[01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:34.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Number three is out...
[01:06:34.240 --> 01:06:35.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: God knows where this is.
[01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:36.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Area code 402.
[01:06:36.740 --> 01:06:38.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: I used to be able to remember all the area codes in my head.
[01:06:40.420 --> 01:06:41.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: 402-564.
[01:06:41.290 --> 01:06:41.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: Is that Seattle?
[01:06:41.860 --> 01:06:42.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, it's not Seattle.
[01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:43.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's somewhere in the middle of the country.
[01:06:44.240 --> 01:06:45.790]  [SPEAKER_07]: Sounds like North Dakota or something.
[01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:46.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's not North Dakota.
[01:06:46.740 --> 01:06:47.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: I know that.
[01:06:47.080 --> 01:06:48.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: It might be Nebraska or something.
[01:06:49.770 --> 01:06:51.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: 402-564-4518.
[01:06:52.260 --> 01:06:55.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: And our fourth one and last one is in D.C.
[01:06:55.740 --> 01:06:55.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: area.
[01:06:56.100 --> 01:07:00.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: Area code 703-823-6591.
[01:07:00.560 --> 01:07:12.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: And if you'd like information on 2600 Magazine, which is all about computer hacking and phone freaks and technology and George Orwell and that kind of thing, you can call 516-751-2600.
[01:07:13.220 --> 01:07:14.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's a voice line.
[01:07:14.540 --> 01:07:16.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: You'll get a machine and it'll tell you everything you need to know.
[01:07:17.660 --> 01:07:19.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: 516-751-2600.
[01:07:20.020 --> 01:07:21.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're going to take another call now.
[01:07:21.720 --> 01:07:25.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have no open lines, but we have three lines ringing.
[01:07:25.640 --> 01:07:27.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: So let's go to this call now.
[01:07:27.580 --> 01:07:27.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[01:07:28.060 --> 01:07:28.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[01:07:28.790 --> 01:07:29.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: Hi.
[01:07:29.380 --> 01:07:30.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: And who are you?
[01:07:30.540 --> 01:07:34.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm David from either Brooklyn or the Invisible Bohemian Empire.
[01:07:35.180 --> 01:07:36.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's say Brooklyn, okay?
[01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:39.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't have that much space to write down what you said there.
[01:07:39.720 --> 01:07:43.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: And tell us what you think of teleconferences, telephones and all that kind of thing.
[01:07:43.380 --> 01:07:45.760]  [SPEAKER_14]: I can't afford to deal with them.
[01:07:46.560 --> 01:07:51.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: And if people were responsible and really were trying for communication, they'd work great.
[01:07:53.020 --> 01:07:57.460]  [SPEAKER_14]: When some of the cheap ones started coming out, I tried calling them a couple of times.
[01:07:58.270 --> 01:08:07.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: And they always seemed to get someone who'd end up just some form of screamer or something getting on and cancelling out anything sane that was going on.
[01:08:08.140 --> 01:08:08.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[01:08:08.740 --> 01:08:09.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: Why do you think that is?
[01:08:11.680 --> 01:08:12.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: Um...
[01:08:14.600 --> 01:08:18.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: I guess people can make fools of themselves and remain anonymous.
[01:08:19.160 --> 01:08:19.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: I think that's it.
[01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:20.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: You hit it right on the head there.
[01:08:21.020 --> 01:08:23.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: Because being anonymous...
[01:08:23.160 --> 01:08:24.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: They have nothing else better than that.
[01:08:24.120 --> 01:08:25.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: There's also quite a bit of control.
[01:08:25.480 --> 01:08:25.520]  [SPEAKER_11]: Exactly.
[01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:27.980]  [SPEAKER_11]: One person can control eight people.
[01:08:28.180 --> 01:08:30.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: Same reason Frank calls WBAI.
[01:08:31.380 --> 01:08:32.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah.
[01:08:32.160 --> 01:08:42.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: Speaking of fools, I think it's interesting, I'm the only woman, that it seems that guys are more interested in electronic kind of things.
[01:08:42.360 --> 01:08:44.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it's part of this...
[01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:47.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, Amy, this topic has come up a number of times on Margo's show.
[01:08:47.860 --> 01:08:49.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Because she always tries to get women to call.
[01:08:49.980 --> 01:08:53.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: And many times it's gotten into a question of, is there something about males?
[01:08:53.280 --> 01:08:56.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Are they dominant aggressive technophiles?
[01:08:56.860 --> 01:09:04.300]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know, but I'm also a tremendous science fiction fan, and I'm always reading science fiction all the time.
[01:09:04.300 --> 01:09:09.360]  [SPEAKER_18]: And I find that I keep running into guys who are interested in that much more than women.
[01:09:09.360 --> 01:09:11.720]  [SPEAKER_18]: And also my interest in martial arts.
[01:09:12.140 --> 01:09:17.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: When I was living in Taiwan, all my friends were guys who were taking martial arts with me.
[01:09:17.660 --> 01:09:19.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: And I had no women friends there.
[01:09:19.740 --> 01:09:21.640]  [SPEAKER_18]: And it's true here in New York, too.
[01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:23.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's really kind of strange.
[01:09:23.460 --> 01:09:26.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, Amy, we still have two more calls.
[01:09:26.220 --> 01:09:27.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: Maybe one of them is another female.
[01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:28.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's see.
[01:09:28.440 --> 01:09:28.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: What do you think?
[01:09:29.240 --> 01:09:30.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, let's go to number one.
[01:09:30.900 --> 01:09:31.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[01:09:31.620 --> 01:09:32.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[01:09:33.120 --> 01:09:34.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's a busy signal.
[01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:34.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: I like that.
[01:09:34.980 --> 01:09:35.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: It doesn't sound like a female.
[01:09:36.040 --> 01:09:37.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: A busy signal has called us.
[01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:39.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're too busy to call your show.
[01:09:39.400 --> 01:09:39.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: Male or female.
[01:09:40.420 --> 01:09:42.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: This is something I did not expect.
[01:09:42.340 --> 01:09:45.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: I've had machines call me before, but I've never had a busy signal call me.
[01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:46.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: They have to be spayed.
[01:09:47.040 --> 01:09:47.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, here we go.
[01:09:48.260 --> 01:09:49.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: That busy signal is gone.
[01:09:49.360 --> 01:09:50.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have an open line.
[01:09:50.280 --> 01:09:52.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's see how long it takes for it to be filled in.
[01:09:53.860 --> 01:09:54.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: 279-3400.
[01:09:54.740 --> 01:09:55.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's go to this other ringing line.
[01:09:56.300 --> 01:09:56.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:57.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[01:09:57.780 --> 01:09:58.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi, I'm Susan.
[01:09:59.140 --> 01:09:59.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I'm only kidding.
[01:09:59.780 --> 01:10:00.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is Bobby from Brooklyn.
[01:10:01.180 --> 01:10:02.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: That was very good, Bobby.
[01:10:03.780 --> 01:10:04.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: Bobby from Brooklyn.
[01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:05.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:10:05.060 --> 01:10:10.640]  [SPEAKER_11]: This makes it rough for us guys who are technophiles, too, because it makes it hard for us to find women with similar interests.
[01:10:10.780 --> 01:10:11.700]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, here's one.
[01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:12.580]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, well.
[01:10:13.480 --> 01:10:16.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Speaking of technophiles, this is Daniel.
[01:10:16.420 --> 01:10:18.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'd like to get back to shortwave for a second.
[01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:19.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good.
[01:10:19.080 --> 01:10:19.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Go ahead.
[01:10:19.540 --> 01:10:20.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have...
[01:10:20.320 --> 01:10:22.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, Amy can probably answer my questions.
[01:10:22.580 --> 01:10:29.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have tried to get shortwave, but, you know, I have with limited results.
[01:10:30.240 --> 01:10:31.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: What equipment do I need?
[01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:33.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Do I need the large antenna?
[01:10:33.860 --> 01:10:37.680]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, I have a real simple portable Sony 7600.
[01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:39.800]  [SPEAKER_18]: It will set you back about a hundred bucks.
[01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:40.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: But it's...
[01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:43.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: It was a gift from my folks, because they...
[01:10:43.140 --> 01:10:43.720]  [SPEAKER_18]: They...
[01:10:43.720 --> 01:10:50.320]  [SPEAKER_18]: When I had one in Taiwan that I came home with and it broke, they replaced it with another one, because by then I was thoroughly hooked.
[01:10:50.560 --> 01:11:00.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: So for about a hundred bucks, you can get a nice portable compact receiver about the size and thickness of a trade paperback.
[01:11:01.100 --> 01:11:07.180]  [SPEAKER_18]: And you won't get the greatest reception in the world that you might with a real fancy big set.
[01:11:07.440 --> 01:11:17.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: But what you have to do, and this is the weirdness of shortwave, is you turn it on and you have to walk around the room to find the one spot in the room where the signal comes through clearly.
[01:11:18.780 --> 01:11:31.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: And mine comes in real clearly in the kitchen on top of the refrigerator, because the refrigerator almost acts like a grounding antenna, and I can get pretty good signals from on top of my refrigerator.
[01:11:31.320 --> 01:11:34.940]  [SPEAKER_18]: But if I take the set off the refrigerator, forget it, it's static city.
[01:11:35.180 --> 01:11:36.740]  [SPEAKER_18]: But you can get just about any...
[01:11:37.200 --> 01:11:41.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: My set has seven shortwave bands and ordinary AM, FM on it.
[01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:46.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, if you're lucky enough to have a backyard, you should get a long wire antenna.
[01:11:46.320 --> 01:11:50.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: Just run a wire, basically, and sometimes it's T-shaped, and you'll get incredible things.
[01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:52.340]  [SPEAKER_18]: How about a TV antenna on the room?
[01:11:52.380 --> 01:11:53.800]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, yes, they're lucky enough to live in the back yard.
[01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:55.520]  [SPEAKER_18]: I just live in an ordinary apartment.
[01:11:55.940 --> 01:11:58.620]  [SPEAKER_02]: Can you connect to a fire escape or a fence, or...?
[01:11:58.620 --> 01:11:59.680]  [SPEAKER_18]: Sometimes you can.
[01:11:59.820 --> 01:12:00.920]  [SPEAKER_18]: As a matter of fact, there are...
[01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:02.340]  [SPEAKER_18]: This is one of the joys of shortwave.
[01:12:02.580 --> 01:12:15.440]  [SPEAKER_18]: Every major shortwave broadcasting station from every country has what they call DX programs, or shortwave listeners programs.
[01:12:15.440 --> 01:12:18.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: And BBC has one called Wave Guide.
[01:12:18.780 --> 01:12:20.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: Radio Netherlands has one.
[01:12:21.340 --> 01:12:23.240]  [SPEAKER_18]: DOA has Communications World.
[01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:25.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: Japan has one, DX Corner.
[01:12:25.820 --> 01:12:36.520]  [SPEAKER_18]: And they always have someone come on at least twice a month with advice on how to pick up shortwave signals, what kind of sets and antenna to get.
[01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:42.840]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, once you get your set, just start listening a lot, and you'll get great information.
[01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:48.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: Or you can go out and buy books like World Radio and Television Handbook and Radio Database International, which also helps.
[01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:59.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, we're going to swing the conversation back to telephones, and we have one more call, and then we will have achieved our goal of having a ten-line teleconference right here on the air.
[01:12:59.400 --> 01:13:00.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good evening.
[01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:01.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[01:13:01.400 --> 01:13:02.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, how you doing?
[01:13:02.200 --> 01:13:03.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is Keith from Queens.
[01:13:03.620 --> 01:13:04.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Keith from Queens.
[01:13:05.620 --> 01:13:06.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi.
[01:13:06.420 --> 01:13:07.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Welcome to our teleconference.
[01:13:07.780 --> 01:13:07.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello.
[01:13:08.240 --> 01:13:09.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello, thank you.
[01:13:09.260 --> 01:13:10.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's just like a party, isn't it?
[01:13:10.500 --> 01:13:10.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Welcome home.
[01:13:11.540 --> 01:13:17.720]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, but more intelligent than those other ones that Emmanuel was using as an example.
[01:13:17.860 --> 01:13:19.440]  [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, I don't care what you guys look like.
[01:13:19.460 --> 01:13:20.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: I care what you think like.
[01:13:21.060 --> 01:13:23.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, Keith, tell us something about yourself and your thoughts.
[01:13:23.740 --> 01:13:32.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I hate to do this to you in light of what you just said about swinging back to teleconferences, but going back to shortwave...
[01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:33.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:13:33.480 --> 01:13:34.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: Just don't stay there very long.
[01:13:34.740 --> 01:13:35.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, no, absolutely not.
[01:13:36.650 --> 01:13:38.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I just wanted to say...
[01:13:38.260 --> 01:13:40.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: First of all, is Louis from Brooklyn still on?
[01:13:40.080 --> 01:13:40.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm still there.
[01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:41.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[01:13:41.380 --> 01:13:46.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: You were asking about the different places where you could pick up some books and whatnot.
[01:13:46.580 --> 01:13:46.800]  [SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:49.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: There are two places in Queens that I know of.
[01:13:49.540 --> 01:13:49.980]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, beautiful.
[01:13:50.830 --> 01:13:53.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: One is Stewart Electronics in...
[01:13:58.220 --> 01:14:00.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: And that should offer a lot of helpful hints.
[01:14:01.320 --> 01:14:01.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:14:01.940 --> 01:14:05.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, since we have ten people on the line at once, I'd like to try this.
[01:14:05.880 --> 01:14:10.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: I doubt it will work very well, but I'd like to try to get a legal ID from all of you at the same time.
[01:14:10.340 --> 01:14:15.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: So, when I count down to one, I would like all of you on the phone right now to say...
[01:14:15.220 --> 01:14:18.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: And please don't scream, otherwise you'll overpower everybody.
[01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:20.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Just say WBAI New York.
[01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:22.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I'm going to count down from three.
[01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:24.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Three, two, one.
[01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:29.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: WBAI New York, 99.5 FM.
[01:14:29.140 --> 01:14:30.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, we have a wise guy there.
[01:14:30.540 --> 01:14:30.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:14:31.940 --> 01:14:33.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's not a legal ID.
[01:14:33.900 --> 01:14:34.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[01:14:34.660 --> 01:14:41.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, now, we have been talking about telephones, teleconferences, and phone freaks and all that kind of thing.
[01:14:41.740 --> 01:14:52.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're on the air for another hour and eight minutes, and we'll be taking various questions, just individual questions about phone systems and the breakup and all that kind of thing.
[01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:56.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: But before we wind this up, anybody have any more comments?
[01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:59.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's a dangerous question because ten people are going to speak at once.
[01:14:59.740 --> 01:14:59.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Daniel?
[01:15:00.440 --> 01:15:00.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:15:01.060 --> 01:15:01.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: Who's this?
[01:15:01.500 --> 01:15:02.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is Bobby from Brooklyn.
[01:15:02.580 --> 01:15:03.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bobby from Brooklyn.
[01:15:03.240 --> 01:15:03.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm curious.
[01:15:03.300 --> 01:15:08.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: You asked everybody a question about themselves.
[01:15:08.360 --> 01:15:09.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: You didn't ask me anything.
[01:15:09.340 --> 01:15:10.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is that because I'm a female impersonator?
[01:15:11.420 --> 01:15:11.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Ah.
[01:15:13.480 --> 01:15:16.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, you know, I must have just glossed right over you.
[01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:17.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm sorry.
[01:15:17.360 --> 01:15:17.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, okay.
[01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:18.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, go ahead.
[01:15:18.480 --> 01:15:18.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:19.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Tell me something about yourself, Bobby.
[01:15:20.100 --> 01:15:22.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, while everybody was talking, I came up with that idea.
[01:15:23.240 --> 01:15:27.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, I read 2600 Magazine, and I know they have monthly meetings.
[01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:28.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is that right?
[01:15:28.580 --> 01:15:30.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: In fact, it's very interesting.
[01:15:30.340 --> 01:15:30.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: You should point that out.
[01:15:31.040 --> 01:15:32.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have a meeting tomorrow.
[01:15:32.580 --> 01:15:33.000]  [SPEAKER_20]: Do you?
[01:15:33.620 --> 01:15:33.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yes.
[01:15:34.100 --> 01:15:35.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's not going to be all that long.
[01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:36.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Usually, they're at 6 o'clock.
[01:15:37.100 --> 01:15:38.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: Tomorrow, it's going to be at 5.
[01:15:38.540 --> 01:15:41.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I've got to go to the Mets game, so I have to leave a little bit early.
[01:15:41.360 --> 01:15:48.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: So, 5 o'clock in the Citicorp Center, right where all the strange people hang out in the atrium there with chairs and tables.
[01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:55.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: And basically, we have copies of the magazine, and we talk about various things, and we trade information.
[01:15:55.480 --> 01:16:02.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: And it's a monthly event, usually the first, always the first Friday of the month in Citicorp at 6 p.m.
[01:16:02.380 --> 01:16:03.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: Tomorrow, it's 5 p.m.
[01:16:04.480 --> 01:16:05.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: So, yes.
[01:16:05.440 --> 01:16:06.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: Thanks for reminding me about that.
[01:16:06.620 --> 01:16:07.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: I was going to mention that.
[01:16:08.120 --> 01:16:10.200]  [SPEAKER_11]: Do you have the biggest attendance you've had in months now?
[01:16:10.740 --> 01:16:12.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'll be kind of scared, to tell you the truth.
[01:16:12.460 --> 01:16:18.920]  [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, because of what I've heard the last couple of months, it's been like one person shows up, or two people show up, but they don't see each other.
[01:16:19.120 --> 01:16:19.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[01:16:20.060 --> 01:16:20.420]  [SPEAKER_11]: So...
[01:16:20.420 --> 01:16:26.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I'll be wearing a brand new 2600 t-shirt, which is a new thing we're trying.
[01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:27.260]  [SPEAKER_20]: Really?
[01:16:27.340 --> 01:16:28.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Are they for sale?
[01:16:28.420 --> 01:16:30.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, we'll be offering that in the magazine.
[01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:33.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're not offering that over the air, though it might show up as a BAI premium.
[01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:34.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: You never know.
[01:16:34.540 --> 01:16:36.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: What's the significance of the number 2600?
[01:16:36.940 --> 01:16:38.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: Does anyone on the phone want to answer that?
[01:16:38.740 --> 01:16:40.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, well, I'll take a shot at it.
[01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:40.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:16:42.020 --> 01:16:42.500]  Um...
[01:16:42.500 --> 01:16:43.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's the...
[01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:50.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, in the old telephone systems, there used to be a tone, which was always present on a line.
[01:16:51.240 --> 01:16:52.100]  [SPEAKER_11]: Do you do it?
[01:16:52.220 --> 01:16:52.800]  [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know.
[01:16:53.060 --> 01:16:53.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:16:53.620 --> 01:16:56.900]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's the tone that the Captain Crunch whistle used to generate.
[01:16:57.080 --> 01:16:59.940]  [SPEAKER_11]: It was used to grab the trunk line.
[01:17:00.400 --> 01:17:00.500]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[01:17:00.500 --> 01:17:01.060]  [SPEAKER_11]: Grab control.
[01:17:02.140 --> 01:17:02.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's it.
[01:17:02.900 --> 01:17:03.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's it.
[01:17:03.300 --> 01:17:07.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: And 2600 represents control, sort of, to every phone freak.
[01:17:07.740 --> 01:17:09.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Of course, it doesn't really work anymore.
[01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:17.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: They've built systems to find 2600 hertz tones when they're generated, and they've built systems that don't respond to it.
[01:17:17.540 --> 01:17:19.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: But it's still, it's kind of legendary.
[01:17:19.580 --> 01:17:21.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: It dates back to the 1960s.
[01:17:21.140 --> 01:17:22.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: Do they have military implications?
[01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:23.760]  [SPEAKER_07]: I have a question about...
[01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:28.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Not exactly military implications, apart from just gaining control of the entire phone system.
[01:17:28.380 --> 01:17:29.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: That could be used to a military advantage.
[01:17:30.440 --> 01:17:32.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: One of you guys out there maybe could answer this.
[01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:32.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:33.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: What about the...
[01:17:35.100 --> 01:17:38.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, phone freaks have been around for so long, geez, I remember listening to...
[01:17:38.820 --> 01:17:42.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think it was the original Captain Crunch on Bob Fass's show back around...
[01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:45.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know, 69, 70, a long time ago.
[01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:52.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: But we have systems these days that automatically record the...
[01:17:52.660 --> 01:17:55.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not the number that is calling...
[01:17:56.580 --> 01:17:57.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: A and I.
[01:17:58.680 --> 01:17:59.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Automatic number identification.
[01:18:00.860 --> 01:18:06.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, no, I think what you're referring to is when you place a call, the number you're calling from is identified, correct?
[01:18:06.340 --> 01:18:09.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, to the person who you call.
[01:18:09.220 --> 01:18:09.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh.
[01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:13.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's something I believe New Jersey Bell is going to be offering very soon.
[01:18:14.200 --> 01:18:18.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: Usually it's within the same central office, meaning your local area.
[01:18:18.400 --> 01:18:19.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: You will see...
[01:18:19.620 --> 01:18:30.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can program certain numbers not to reach you, to always get either a busy signal or a recording or something, or a distinctive ringing, so that if the pest down the block calls you, you'll know it's him.
[01:18:30.480 --> 01:18:30.740]  Ah.
[01:18:30.740 --> 01:18:40.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: But, of course, there are systems in place now at corporations, integrated systems where the number is displayed as soon as you call somebody within that establishment.
[01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:44.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's nothing all that new, but it could have scary implications in the future.
[01:18:44.460 --> 01:18:47.680]  [SPEAKER_11]: There have been pagers that have that capacity for quite some time, too.
[01:18:48.200 --> 01:18:48.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:18:48.540 --> 01:18:50.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, the pagers I've seen, I didn't...
[01:18:50.620 --> 01:18:53.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, yeah, but usually the pagers you have to punch the number into.
[01:18:53.420 --> 01:18:53.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:18:54.160 --> 01:18:58.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you have a pager and you have to dial the number in, it doesn't get the number in itself.
[01:18:58.080 --> 01:19:05.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's something, because it seemed to me that that was... there could be, you know, serious implications about having that capability.
[01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:07.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: For some people to have that capability.
[01:19:07.920 --> 01:19:16.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, it would take away... I mean, I would have all of your phone numbers in front of me if I had that system, and it would certainly... I mean, I'm not going to do anything nasty to them, but supposing I did.
[01:19:17.160 --> 01:19:18.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I'll tell you, you know, it's funny.
[01:19:18.440 --> 01:19:20.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I've been thinking about that for a while.
[01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:23.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Of course, listening to BAI, I've always been kind of, I guess...
[01:19:24.120 --> 01:19:24.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Paranoid.
[01:19:24.860 --> 01:19:25.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, sure, you know?
[01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:31.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: And especially listening to May Brussels shows way back when, and all up through, and the Contregate stuff.
[01:19:32.380 --> 01:19:39.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, it's always seemed to me that, well, gee, what's to stop some right-wing organization from getting WBAI's...
[01:19:40.220 --> 01:19:46.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, you know, every time, on Contregate, every time there's a problem with the phone line, and Dennis Bernstein always thinks it's the FBI.
[01:19:47.780 --> 01:19:49.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, somebody dropped the phone.
[01:19:50.020 --> 01:19:50.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:19:50.820 --> 01:19:51.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: Sorry about that.
[01:19:51.620 --> 01:19:57.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: That show earlier this evening, it was, that there was a show on that they were talking to somewhere...
[01:19:57.620 --> 01:19:57.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Chile.
[01:19:58.340 --> 01:19:58.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: ...Salvador.
[01:19:59.040 --> 01:20:00.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: Chile, that was it.
[01:20:00.160 --> 01:20:00.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Chile.
[01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:01.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Chile, excuse me.
[01:20:02.340 --> 01:20:08.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: But they were talking to Chile, and the thing was that the people in Chile could not hear the people in New York anymore, so they just hung up.
[01:20:09.040 --> 01:20:14.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: But, of course, the BAI announcer immediately says, well, the phone, the line was clear.
[01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:14.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: Cut.
[01:20:14.880 --> 01:20:16.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: The line was definitely cut.
[01:20:16.440 --> 01:20:25.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: But I guess they are having some problems with the communications workers down there, so it could fairly well be, but it sure seemed to me like the people in Chile just hung up the phone.
[01:20:26.620 --> 01:20:40.780]  [SPEAKER_14]: On AM radio, some years ago, when Long John Nebel used to have a show, I used to hear him announce when someone would bother him, I don't know if it was true or not, he'd announce that somehow he had a hookup that gave him the phone numbers of the people who called in.
[01:20:41.320 --> 01:20:42.280]  [SPEAKER_14]: Which was a lie.
[01:20:42.580 --> 01:20:43.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, okay.
[01:20:43.580 --> 01:20:52.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: Unless he had a telephone switchman in the central office that would run around every time a phone call was made, that's very unlikely, and he'd need police clearance and all that kind of thing.
[01:20:52.340 --> 01:20:59.360]  [SPEAKER_11]: The thing to realize, though, is if the person you're calling can read your number, anybody who else is tapping that telephone can also read that number.
[01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:21.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: If your area has what's called enhanced 911, not only will your phone number show up, but your name, your address, and any kind of characteristics that, such as you store all kinds of flammable material all over your house, that will pop up so that they'll know this when they go over there,
[01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:26.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: or if they say nasty comments about you, they'll store them there.
[01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:39.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: What's of concern to us that deal with privacy and everything is, with that information all over the place, with that being displayed with every phone call, what privacy will we have left?
[01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:40.660]  You know, Emmanuel, I'm not a...
[01:21:40.660 --> 01:21:41.700]  [SPEAKER_11]: We'll go up immensely.
[01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:42.800]  [SPEAKER_11]: When I was, uh...
[01:21:42.800 --> 01:21:44.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have lost Keith from Queens.
[01:21:44.540 --> 01:21:52.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: ...12, which has formed a great feat of technical prestidigitation, at least for a 12-year-old.
[01:21:52.480 --> 01:22:06.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Even at that age, I was a BAI listener, and one time someone on the air was calling a famous left-wing political personage of the time who had an unlisted phone number, and the person in master control was using a rotary phone to dial, and I was doing...
[01:22:07.080 --> 01:22:07.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, my goodness.
[01:22:08.160 --> 01:22:08.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: Ha!
[01:22:08.280 --> 01:22:12.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, so I actually slowed down the tape, counted the clicks, and got to the other...
[01:22:12.240 --> 01:22:17.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, now, there's many people out there that know, when you hit a touchtone, what number it is.
[01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:18.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: Really?
[01:22:18.460 --> 01:22:20.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: So I don't think you're any safer with a touchtone phone.
[01:22:21.320 --> 01:22:22.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: I can sometimes do that.
[01:22:22.620 --> 01:22:23.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: More musical.
[01:22:23.400 --> 01:22:23.740]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um...
[01:22:23.740 --> 01:22:25.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is there anyone here that thinks they can do that?
[01:22:25.400 --> 01:22:33.180]  [SPEAKER_18]: I'm from Manhattan, and, um, I'm going to have to sign off, but before I go, I want to say how enjoyable and terrific this is.
[01:22:33.280 --> 01:22:35.360]  [SPEAKER_18]: I hope this becomes a regular feature.
[01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:41.360]  [SPEAKER_18]: Now that James Ursay, who I've always enjoyed, seems to have vanished from the airwaves...
[01:22:41.360 --> 01:22:43.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, no, I can't, I can't say for sure that he's vanished.
[01:22:43.580 --> 01:22:45.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: I believe he's scheduled to be back here next week, but I'm not...
[01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:50.980]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, well, I, maybe you guys can alternate Thursdays the way, you know, some other people alternate.
[01:22:51.260 --> 01:22:53.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I'd certainly like to, because it's a lot of, uh...
[01:22:53.240 --> 01:22:54.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm going to conduct a survey.
[01:22:54.240 --> 01:22:57.880]  [SPEAKER_18]: How many of the other people out there are also avid science fiction readers?
[01:22:57.880 --> 01:22:58.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: I am.
[01:22:58.480 --> 01:22:58.900]  [SPEAKER_18]: I am.
[01:22:59.080 --> 01:23:01.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm a performing artist also.
[01:23:01.620 --> 01:23:01.940]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah, what are you doing?
[01:23:01.940 --> 01:23:04.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm David the Magic Minstrel in one persona.
[01:23:04.620 --> 01:23:04.900]  [SPEAKER_18]: Pardon?
[01:23:05.340 --> 01:23:07.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm David the Magic Minstrel.
[01:23:07.080 --> 01:23:12.060]  [SPEAKER_14]: Sometimes, like, I've played my pregnant turtles or a serpent flute on the air, like, during marathons and things.
[01:23:12.400 --> 01:23:12.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: Great.
[01:23:13.180 --> 01:23:13.400]  [SPEAKER_18]: Amazing.
[01:23:13.400 --> 01:23:16.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: And I'm also that, or I hang out at Nyssa sometimes.
[01:23:17.020 --> 01:23:24.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: And I wanted to mention, there's going to be an event that's free to encourage communication and community.
[01:23:25.160 --> 01:23:31.620]  [SPEAKER_14]: On Sunday, there's a Rainbow Family Picnic in Prospect Park in the Nethermead.
[01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:41.820]  [SPEAKER_14]: And if people get to the 15th Street stop, 15th Street Prospect Park stop on the F train, there'll be trail markers leading them into the Nethermead of Prospect Park.
[01:23:41.820 --> 01:23:45.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: And from noon till dusk, there's going to be a Rainbow Family Picnic.
[01:23:45.400 --> 01:23:47.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: And bring whatever you have to share.
[01:23:47.260 --> 01:23:48.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: Did you say Saturday?
[01:23:48.440 --> 01:23:48.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: Sunday.
[01:23:49.100 --> 01:23:49.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: Sunday.
[01:23:50.100 --> 01:23:54.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: And bring food and juice to share, and acoustic instruments, and yourself.
[01:23:55.700 --> 01:23:56.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Amy, this is Michael.
[01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:58.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: I was wondering, do you listen to Sounds of China?
[01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:01.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, what?
[01:24:01.200 --> 01:24:02.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I haven't.
[01:24:02.380 --> 01:24:04.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: What station is that on?
[01:24:05.300 --> 01:24:06.900]  [SPEAKER_18]: If I'm allowed to say...
[01:24:06.900 --> 01:24:09.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm sure you're allowed to say this is a free country and a free station.
[01:24:09.620 --> 01:24:09.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:11.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: The Columbia station.
[01:24:11.280 --> 01:24:13.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's on from 9 to 12 Saturday mornings.
[01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:18.820]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, I usually listen to, I'll admit it, WNYC morning edition.
[01:24:19.100 --> 01:24:19.500]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh.
[01:24:19.500 --> 01:24:20.680]  [SPEAKER_18]: Weekend edition to get my new...
[01:24:20.680 --> 01:24:22.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's not get carried away, though.
[01:24:24.100 --> 01:24:25.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, Amy, you have to go.
[01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:26.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're going to take another call.
[01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:28.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: And, um...
[01:24:28.040 --> 01:24:28.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Nice talking to you.
[01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:30.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, it was great talking to you.
[01:24:30.200 --> 01:24:31.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: I wish there was some...
[01:24:31.040 --> 01:24:32.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: I know it's too dangerous.
[01:24:32.240 --> 01:24:36.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: I wish there was some way we could somehow do this again.
[01:24:36.080 --> 01:24:37.880]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, I really enjoyed it.
[01:24:37.900 --> 01:24:38.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I have an idea.
[01:24:38.940 --> 01:24:42.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: Next BAI Marathon, why don't you all volunteer and come down and meet each other?
[01:24:42.320 --> 01:24:43.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Come to the Rainbow Picnic.
[01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:44.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: Go to the 2600 meeting.
[01:24:45.300 --> 01:24:45.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:46.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: There's many ways, you see.
[01:24:46.860 --> 01:24:47.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right, okay.
[01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:48.620]  [SPEAKER_14]: Thank you all.
[01:24:48.620 --> 01:24:49.520]  [SPEAKER_14]: I always wear a mirror.
[01:24:49.700 --> 01:24:50.220]  [SPEAKER_14]: As far as...
[01:24:50.220 --> 01:24:50.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: I always...
[01:24:50.940 --> 01:24:53.520]  [SPEAKER_14]: I have a mirror and a small ocarina that's always on my neck.
[01:24:53.660 --> 01:24:55.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: This is David, the Magic Minstrel.
[01:24:55.400 --> 01:24:55.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:24:55.780 --> 01:24:56.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hi, David.
[01:24:57.000 --> 01:24:57.360]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hi.
[01:24:58.060 --> 01:24:58.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: I'm Taitian.
[01:24:58.880 --> 01:24:59.560]  [SPEAKER_18]: Goodbye, everyone.
[01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:00.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good night.
[01:25:00.280 --> 01:25:00.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good night, Amy.
[01:25:01.400 --> 01:25:02.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, we're going to take...
[01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:06.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're going to take two more calls, just to link them in here.
[01:25:06.900 --> 01:25:09.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: And then we're going to disconnect the conference.
[01:25:09.420 --> 01:25:12.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: Which, by the way, folks, what time did we start this conference?
[01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:13.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: About 1.30.
[01:25:13.580 --> 01:25:14.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: About 1.30.
[01:25:14.180 --> 01:25:14.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's 2.30 now.
[01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:18.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, at a dollar a minute, times 10 for the 10 of you...
[01:25:18.920 --> 01:25:19.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: Sign my paycheck over to you.
[01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:23.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: Does somebody have a calculator that can figure out what this conference would have gotten the phone company?
[01:25:23.440 --> 01:25:24.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: $1.50.
[01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:28.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: $60 per person, times 10.
[01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:29.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's $600.
[01:25:29.820 --> 01:25:31.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: You don't need a calculator for that.
[01:25:31.420 --> 01:25:32.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, that's true.
[01:25:32.080 --> 01:25:32.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: You don't.
[01:25:32.440 --> 01:25:39.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: So, if WBAI was a teleconference company, we would have just made $600 just by having that conversation.
[01:25:39.420 --> 01:25:42.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, this is a much more intelligent conversation than those other lines, let me tell you.
[01:25:42.320 --> 01:25:43.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: Then there'd be an intelligence surcharge.
[01:25:45.040 --> 01:25:46.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's go to the other calls here.
[01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:47.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[01:25:47.820 --> 01:25:49.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: I would think there'd be an intelligent discount.
[01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:51.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is this a new person saying this?
[01:25:51.540 --> 01:25:52.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.
[01:25:52.160 --> 01:25:54.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is an old person in a new location.
[01:25:54.540 --> 01:25:55.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, what's your name?
[01:25:55.900 --> 01:25:56.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: My name's Frank.
[01:25:57.040 --> 01:25:57.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Frank.
[01:25:57.580 --> 01:25:58.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: And where are you calling from?
[01:25:58.640 --> 01:25:59.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, Parsippany.
[01:26:00.980 --> 01:26:01.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Parsippany.
[01:26:01.620 --> 01:26:02.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, got it.
[01:26:03.980 --> 01:26:11.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm just curious, aren't you people familiar with the new operator switchboards which automatically show your phone number when you call it?
[01:26:11.440 --> 01:26:13.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: The operators know your phone number.
[01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:17.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: So anybody who's cranking your local operator, they know who you are, boys.
[01:26:17.460 --> 01:26:19.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: And they have back hold, too.
[01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:23.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: They have a pranking operator and notice that you can't hang up your phone.
[01:26:23.580 --> 01:26:24.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: Or you can physically hang up your phone.
[01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:25.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: They can't control that yet.
[01:26:25.940 --> 01:26:28.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: But you pick it up and you don't get a dial tone.
[01:26:28.620 --> 01:26:29.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: There's no dial tone anymore.
[01:26:29.660 --> 01:26:32.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: And the operator is still there either chortling or just not doing anything.
[01:26:33.280 --> 01:26:35.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: And it's a scary experience for every little kid.
[01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:37.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm sure they've all gone through that at some point.
[01:26:38.240 --> 01:26:43.060]  [SPEAKER_11]: My biggest problem lately is when I set my computer to autodial and I got a few bulletin boards I want to call.
[01:26:43.240 --> 01:26:45.200]  [SPEAKER_11]: All of a sudden, my dial tone goes away.
[01:26:45.420 --> 01:26:45.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[01:26:45.780 --> 01:26:52.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Sometimes central offices see you rapidly dialing over and over again and they think you're up to no good and they sort of suspend your line.
[01:26:53.020 --> 01:26:53.520]  [SPEAKER_11]: Is it law against the law now?
[01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:55.760]  [SPEAKER_11]: No, it's just that five bulletin boards have busy signals.
[01:26:56.720 --> 01:26:57.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's against the law.
[01:26:57.740 --> 01:27:01.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: I believe you're allowed 15 redials and then you're not supposed to do it anymore.
[01:27:02.160 --> 01:27:03.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: But when did that go into effect?
[01:27:03.360 --> 01:27:03.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, no, no.
[01:27:04.240 --> 01:27:10.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's against the law to randomly dial numbers in a particular central office.
[01:27:10.380 --> 01:27:11.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, that's called scanning.
[01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:12.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I don't know if that's really against the law.
[01:27:12.980 --> 01:27:13.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's not against the law.
[01:27:14.040 --> 01:27:15.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't think that's against the law.
[01:27:15.420 --> 01:27:17.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's just not one of those desirable things that they encourage you to do.
[01:27:17.900 --> 01:27:18.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, all right.
[01:27:18.320 --> 01:27:19.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'll put it to you this way.
[01:27:19.100 --> 01:27:23.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: The last I heard, it's up against the edges where people are trying to press for it being against the law.
[01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:24.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay?
[01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:25.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's what I heard.
[01:27:26.200 --> 01:27:27.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, that sounds reasonable.
[01:27:27.940 --> 01:27:39.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: As far as the 15 redials, I don't believe that's against the law either, but it's the companies that make these phones that have redial capabilities are not allowed to make them redial more than 15 consecutive times.
[01:27:39.580 --> 01:27:42.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: The phone company obviously doesn't want you using the equipment when you're not paying.
[01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:43.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[01:27:44.140 --> 01:27:44.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh-huh.
[01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:49.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: Unless they're going to start charging us for time off the hook whether we get a busy signal or not.
[01:27:49.500 --> 01:27:54.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is it true that one of the banks in the city of New York picked up a whole new central office all by itself?
[01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:55.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: A bank picked up a...
[01:27:55.940 --> 01:27:57.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: What do you mean by that?
[01:27:57.260 --> 01:28:08.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, you know, they opened up a whole new number, a new set of central office numbers by moving the New York City area to two areas, breaking up the two-on-two area in effect.
[01:28:08.780 --> 01:28:12.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: So there was a whole new slew of central office numbers.
[01:28:12.860 --> 01:28:15.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: And one of them, I hear, went to, I think it was Citibank.
[01:28:15.360 --> 01:28:17.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, it's possible Citibank has their own exchange.
[01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:18.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, that's very possible.
[01:28:19.100 --> 01:28:21.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: But what's the difference between an exchange and central office today?
[01:28:21.740 --> 01:28:23.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, an exchange...
[01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:26.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: A central office can hold many exchanges.
[01:28:26.100 --> 01:28:29.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: A central office is the building where the switching takes place.
[01:28:29.740 --> 01:28:33.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: And, for instance, we're the 279 exchange in the 212 area code.
[01:28:33.900 --> 01:28:39.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: But I don't know the other exchanges in this vicinity, but there would probably be about four or five other exchanges in that building.
[01:28:41.400 --> 01:28:42.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: Probably about 15 or 12.
[01:28:42.760 --> 01:28:43.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: Sometimes, sometimes that many.
[01:28:44.060 --> 01:28:45.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: Sometimes just one if it's a remote area.
[01:28:46.580 --> 01:28:48.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: So that's pretty much the difference.
[01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:50.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: But an exchange is just a physical switching box?
[01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:51.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[01:28:51.860 --> 01:28:52.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: No?
[01:28:52.780 --> 01:28:57.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, each switching box, each switching computer, handles multiple exchanges.
[01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:03.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: And in a physical central office building, there might be two or three switches, each handling five or six exchanges.
[01:29:04.020 --> 01:29:05.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is that true in the old cross-type switching?
[01:29:06.300 --> 01:29:13.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, with cross-bar switching, usually the most they can handle, like out in Brooklyn here, there's a lot of that, usually four or five exchanges.
[01:29:14.180 --> 01:29:14.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: In one machine?
[01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:15.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: In one machine.
[01:29:15.840 --> 01:29:17.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's electromechanical switching.
[01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:17.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[01:29:18.060 --> 01:29:18.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah.
[01:29:18.340 --> 01:29:18.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:29:19.220 --> 01:29:21.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: You should smell the ozone when they really get going.
[01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:23.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: You should hear the noise, too.
[01:29:23.420 --> 01:29:23.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah.
[01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:25.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm gonna bring one more person in on this.
[01:29:25.820 --> 01:29:26.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:27.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: And who are you?
[01:29:27.900 --> 01:29:28.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, Don from Brooklyn.
[01:29:29.220 --> 01:29:29.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: Don from Brooklyn.
[01:29:30.120 --> 01:29:35.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and I wanted to tell you people in, um, Manhattan, you're missing out on the great form of, uh, communication.
[01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:38.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: We have a couple of pirate stations out here.
[01:29:38.380 --> 01:29:39.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: I've heard of those.
[01:29:39.540 --> 01:29:40.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: W-F-U-N.
[01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:49.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: They come up, and, uh, you, you know, they play you songs that you want, and you have conversations, and, uh, they could actually get two people on a line at...
[01:29:49.420 --> 01:29:50.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Why don't you have them call up the station?
[01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:55.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Maybe they can patch it to WBAI and put some of their radio on...
[01:29:55.000 --> 01:29:58.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, you see, they're very, you see, it's illegal, so they...
[01:29:58.440 --> 01:30:00.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: But the lines don't have to be traceable.
[01:30:00.860 --> 01:30:04.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I know, so, like, everyone's paranoid, no one uses their name.
[01:30:05.020 --> 01:30:06.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: I know, but don't advertise a bank robbery.
[01:30:06.900 --> 01:30:13.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Why don't we set up a, uh, pair of, uh, lines, uh, and, uh, just transfer it over there, radio on to WBAI.
[01:30:13.700 --> 01:30:15.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's not illegal for WBAI to do it.
[01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:16.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, but it's too much trouble.
[01:30:18.820 --> 01:30:19.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, you...
[01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:26.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, uh, whoever's there affiliated with 2600, do you know what good pair, a line pair for the station to use?
[01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:28.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, a good line pair for the station?
[01:30:28.380 --> 01:30:31.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, no, we don't have all that much information as to, uh...
[01:30:31.780 --> 01:30:32.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: You don't have a techie, then?
[01:30:33.220 --> 01:30:34.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, no, not at the moment.
[01:30:34.820 --> 01:30:35.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't have a what?
[01:30:35.820 --> 01:30:36.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: A techie.
[01:30:36.660 --> 01:30:37.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah, you do.
[01:30:38.200 --> 01:30:39.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, a pseudo-techie.
[01:30:39.420 --> 01:30:40.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: A pseudo-techie, but he's busy right now.
[01:30:41.160 --> 01:30:47.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I'm from Brooklyn somewhere, so, uh, what's a good line pair between here and, uh, Brooklyn to call up to, uh, so that they can't be traced?
[01:30:47.780 --> 01:30:48.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Do you mean, like, a loop?
[01:30:49.220 --> 01:30:49.440]  No.
[01:30:50.480 --> 01:30:54.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, loops, uh, does somebody want to explain loops to the, uh, to the uninformed?
[01:30:54.380 --> 01:30:57.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I'm not good at explaining things tonight, but I'll give it a shot again.
[01:30:57.280 --> 01:30:57.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:30:57.820 --> 01:30:58.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, no, you do it.
[01:30:58.900 --> 01:30:59.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I'm free.
[01:31:04.820 --> 01:31:17.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, the test to see if there was noise on a line, and there are two consecutive numbers, and when you call both ends of the number, uh, the two, you know, two parties who call it connected, one end normally would have a tone on it, but this has been replaced,
[01:31:17.820 --> 01:31:18.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: uh, by...
[01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:20.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: No matter what, there's clear, now there's clear transmission.
[01:31:20.780 --> 01:31:22.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: The only problem is noise on the line sometimes.
[01:31:23.700 --> 01:31:23.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:24.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: So that's what I mean.
[01:31:24.260 --> 01:31:31.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: If somebody's been using a loop line recently and knows a number, they could pass it on to you and pass it on to the, uh, uh, the pirate station.
[01:31:31.320 --> 01:31:36.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: But in New York City, uh, they have, like, a computer system that's, uh, eradicated the need for all loop lines.
[01:31:37.500 --> 01:31:37.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: Mm-hmm.
[01:31:37.940 --> 01:31:38.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: But they're still around.
[01:31:39.040 --> 01:31:40.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not, not in New York City.
[01:31:40.320 --> 01:31:42.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: But you don't have to call in New York City.
[01:31:42.480 --> 01:31:48.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, uh, the station could call a Long Island number and this Brooklyn, uh, Brooklyn...
[01:31:49.280 --> 01:31:51.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, we could, but we're not going to.
[01:31:52.400 --> 01:31:53.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's just, we, uh, we, uh, it's nice.
[01:31:53.980 --> 01:31:55.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Let's talk to a radio pirate tonight.
[01:31:55.980 --> 01:31:59.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I mean, we'll do radio piracy some other night, but...
[01:31:59.160 --> 01:32:04.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: They only broadcast, like, from, uh, 10 watts to maybe 50 watts, like...
[01:32:04.220 --> 01:32:06.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, in the middle of Brooklyn, that'll get to quite a few listeners, I'm sure.
[01:32:06.780 --> 01:32:06.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:32:07.060 --> 01:32:11.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: The AM pirates get up to around 75, sometimes more than that, with using, uh...
[01:32:11.280 --> 01:32:13.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know, I don't know if you've listened to pirate radio a lot.
[01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:20.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: I listened to that station that was on the boat, and every pirate station I've listened to, and I'm certainly not saying that's true of the ones in Brooklyn, which I've never heard.
[01:32:20.660 --> 01:32:25.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, they seem to just try to imitate the commercial stations, playing the same music.
[01:32:25.220 --> 01:32:33.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I know if I had a pirate radio station, and of course I never would because it's illegal, I, uh, I, uh, I would, I would play the most bizarre things possible.
[01:32:33.900 --> 01:32:35.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'd, I'd say the craziest things.
[01:32:35.300 --> 01:32:39.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'd get people interested and just do the things that, that you're not supposed to do.
[01:32:39.380 --> 01:32:40.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: Without being stupid.
[01:32:41.500 --> 01:32:43.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: Without being stupid about it, you know?
[01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:44.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: Without, uh, just...
[01:32:44.420 --> 01:32:44.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: With some kind of...
[01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:46.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: ...saying nasty things all the time.
[01:32:46.040 --> 01:32:51.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, these guys are just guys who are very enamored about being on the air, and, uh, the techie part of it, some of them.
[01:32:51.840 --> 01:33:00.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: Isn't there some sort of, uh, AM station that you can operate legally, um, a small-time, uh, I...
[01:33:00.400 --> 01:33:02.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: Carrier current, I think you're talking about.
[01:33:02.200 --> 01:33:02.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's what I'm thinking of.
[01:33:02.900 --> 01:33:03.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, well, yeah.
[01:33:04.220 --> 01:33:04.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Inside...
[01:33:04.580 --> 01:33:05.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Inside a limited area.
[01:33:06.500 --> 01:33:10.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, uh, if you're only talking 10 watts or something like that, you're talking a pretty limited area.
[01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:11.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but you gotta have a...
[01:33:11.700 --> 01:33:15.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: In order to use that sort of system, you have to have the area sort of...
[01:33:15.860 --> 01:33:19.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Ah, your neighbor's crazy.
[01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:22.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, it wouldn't be transmitted outside of a building.
[01:33:22.500 --> 01:33:22.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh.
[01:33:22.840 --> 01:33:24.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: The way the system is set up, the...
[01:33:24.240 --> 01:33:25.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: It has to be wired.
[01:33:25.540 --> 01:33:28.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, the university, say, would have wiring in each building.
[01:33:29.340 --> 01:33:30.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I thought it...
[01:33:30.320 --> 01:33:32.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: I thought it was carried by the, uh, the 60...
[01:33:32.680 --> 01:33:34.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: The regular house current wiring.
[01:33:34.520 --> 01:33:36.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but there's still special connections have to be...
[01:33:36.580 --> 01:33:40.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Have to be made at the, uh, switch boxes to allow it to go from one circuit to another.
[01:33:40.700 --> 01:33:43.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I thought it was just every radio that was plugged into that...
[01:33:43.420 --> 01:33:45.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: To that outlet, or, you know, onto that...
[01:33:46.740 --> 01:33:48.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: Essentially, yes, once it's rewired.
[01:33:48.740 --> 01:33:50.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: But it has to be wired special for it.
[01:33:50.480 --> 01:33:52.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but the special wiring isn't that...
[01:33:52.900 --> 01:33:54.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Isn't that, uh, uh...
[01:33:54.580 --> 01:33:56.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: The things that have to be done aren't that great.
[01:33:56.800 --> 01:33:57.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: But they had...
[01:33:57.860 --> 01:34:01.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're technically, uh, uh, technically inclined.
[01:34:01.220 --> 01:34:03.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Listen, I gotta go, but does anybody have any fun phone numbers?
[01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:04.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: What is, you know...
[01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:05.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well...
[01:34:05.080 --> 01:34:06.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Here's the fun, um...
[01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:06.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Go ahead.
[01:34:06.900 --> 01:34:21.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: My phone number, 212-255-2749 is a recorded announcement line called Apology, where all sorts of sickos call up and apologize, and at the end you can leave a message commenting on them, and it goes on and on and on.
[01:34:22.780 --> 01:34:24.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: 258-5858 in Brooklyn.
[01:34:24.360 --> 01:34:25.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: What's that?
[01:34:25.240 --> 01:34:25.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Say that again.
[01:34:25.580 --> 01:34:27.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Another crazy line where you left all your...
[01:34:27.480 --> 01:34:28.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that was...
[01:34:28.260 --> 01:34:29.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh yeah, that was the Kook line.
[01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:30.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: That was the Kook line.
[01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:31.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: 258-4900.
[01:34:31.900 --> 01:34:32.060]  [SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[01:34:32.440 --> 01:34:33.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh, but that's...
[01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Or, 338-4900, but that's been...
[01:34:36.460 --> 01:34:42.060]  [SPEAKER_11]: That metamorphosed into a bulletin board for a while, and then he just kinda got lost interest in it, Chuck Kook.
[01:34:42.260 --> 01:34:42.540]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:34:42.580 --> 01:34:43.360]  [SPEAKER_11]: Exactly, yeah.
[01:34:43.360 --> 01:34:51.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, if you wanna get lots of interesting phone numbers, I suggest calling bulletin boards, if you have a computer, obviously, and there's all kinds of numbers posted.
[01:34:51.380 --> 01:34:59.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: We print numbers in 2600 of bulletin boards and also of crazy phone recordings and services, whenever we get them.
[01:34:59.380 --> 01:35:04.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: That stuff used to be recorded in your phone book, but now they don't record it in the phone books at all.
[01:35:04.140 --> 01:35:10.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Even if you look in this year's Manhattan phone book, you can't find the number for time information.
[01:35:11.140 --> 01:35:13.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, now let me help you out there a little bit, because there is...
[01:35:13.600 --> 01:35:13.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, really.
[01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:17.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: I called the operator and asked her for the number for time, and she couldn't find it in her listings.
[01:35:18.100 --> 01:35:21.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's a phone book you can get called The Little Pages.
[01:35:21.120 --> 01:35:23.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: The Little Pages, but there's also something that's much more fun than that.
[01:35:23.700 --> 01:35:25.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: There's a number you can call, it's completely free.
[01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:26.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
[01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:28.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: There's, uh, I think there's three numbers, actually.
[01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:30.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: They used to go for it.
[01:35:30.500 --> 01:35:34.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: 5-4-0-INFO, I-N-F-O, whatever that translates to.
[01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:39.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: And also, 5-5-0-INFO and, uh, 9-7-0-INFO.
[01:35:39.940 --> 01:35:40.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: Can you say that?
[01:35:40.480 --> 01:35:41.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: Say those again?
[01:35:41.340 --> 01:35:42.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're all charge numbers, but...
[01:35:42.920 --> 01:35:45.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, I'll say it one more time.
[01:35:45.340 --> 01:35:53.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: 5-4-0-INFO, and 5-5-0-INFO, and also 9-7-0-INFO.
[01:35:53.660 --> 01:35:57.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: That will give you the various dial-it services available, and there's no charge for that number.
[01:35:57.820 --> 01:36:01.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: But the information is only for that particular exchange, and those are the expensive exchanges.
[01:36:01.980 --> 01:36:05.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Those are the expensive ones, but you'll get information on the 4-7...
[01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:06.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: You'll get a complete listing.
[01:36:06.700 --> 01:36:08.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, the 4-7, what was it, 4-7-6 exchange?
[01:36:09.400 --> 01:36:10.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: 9-7-6.
[01:36:10.480 --> 01:36:11.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: 9-7-6?
[01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:14.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, no, no, the exchange that was information was, uh, 4-7...
[01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:15.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: 5-5-5?
[01:36:16.980 --> 01:36:17.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: 1-1?
[01:36:17.880 --> 01:36:19.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's no 5-5-5 exchange.
[01:36:19.440 --> 01:36:20.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: The exchange that was information?
[01:36:21.140 --> 01:36:26.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah, the, well, everybody remembers the old Meridian and weather, but, uh, they changed...
[01:36:26.360 --> 01:36:29.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, oh, I have a 1969 Brooklyn phone book, hold on.
[01:36:29.860 --> 01:36:30.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: A 1969?
[01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:31.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:32.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you want, uh, if you want...
[01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:33.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: I forgot to throw it away.
[01:36:34.080 --> 01:36:35.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you want a free listing of, uh...
[01:36:35.940 --> 01:36:37.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, by the way, if you have those old phone books...
[01:36:37.740 --> 01:36:38.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: Color conferences, I'll tell you.
[01:36:38.900 --> 01:36:39.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:36:39.480 --> 01:36:41.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you have the old phone books, don't throw them out.
[01:36:41.560 --> 01:36:41.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wait.
[01:36:41.980 --> 01:36:44.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, no, in the front, they have the exchange numbers in use.
[01:36:45.460 --> 01:36:53.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: To them, you'll find exchange numbers that weren't used, and if they weren't used, you'll find what exchanges are newer and what are older, and, uh...
[01:36:53.360 --> 01:36:54.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's something...
[01:36:54.080 --> 01:36:55.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: They eliminated...
[01:36:55.300 --> 01:36:56.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think we should go back to, uh...
[01:36:56.520 --> 01:37:00.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: One advantage of a teleconference is I can always fade them down and just talk to you, the radio listeners.
[01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:04.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, I will just say this so that everyone has this information.
[01:37:04.780 --> 01:37:21.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, if you want a listing of all the, uh, the phone services in the area, all the, um, 9-7-6-9-7-0-5-4-0-5-5-5-0, teleconferences, all that kind of thing, uh, just send us a self-addressed stamped envelope here at Off The Hook, care of WBAI, 505 8th Avenue,
[01:37:22.460 --> 01:37:25.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: New York, New York, 1-0-0-1-8.
[01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:35.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: And, uh, in this, uh, this current edition of, um, of our magazine 2600, we're going to be, um, publishing a scan, a complete scan.
[01:37:35.480 --> 01:37:39.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I think, uh, the folks on the phone, if they're, they're still not talking over each other.
[01:37:40.600 --> 01:37:42.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, no, they're, they're still gabbing away there.
[01:37:43.160 --> 01:37:46.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: Um, they would be interested in this, though, if they were listening.
[01:37:46.460 --> 01:37:52.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, we will be printing an entire exchange scan of the entire 516 area code.
[01:37:52.420 --> 01:37:55.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: What that means is we went through every single exchange.
[01:37:55.340 --> 01:38:00.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: We started at, at, at 200, which technically could be an exchange or an area code, but it isn't.
[01:38:00.540 --> 01:38:15.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, and we went through every single one and found out what kind of, of switching equipment they use, whether it's old electromechanical or new, uh, digital or semi-new electronic, or whether it's, uh, it's something completely bizarre and strange that we can't figure out.
[01:38:15.500 --> 01:38:18.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: And we just kind of piece together a, a big list.
[01:38:18.540 --> 01:38:20.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: And we want other people to do the same thing.
[01:38:20.980 --> 01:38:26.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: We want to, to see lists come out of the 212 area and the 718, where there's all kinds of, of crazy things hidden.
[01:38:26.940 --> 01:38:29.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, it's just a way of finding out what's out there.
[01:38:29.540 --> 01:38:39.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: And when you pick up your phone and you hear a dial tone, I don't know if you're like me, but I get this sense of adventure, this, uh, this amazing feeling that there's something out there.
[01:38:39.120 --> 01:38:41.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: And just by pressing a few buttons, you can be connected to almost anything.
[01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:48.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: And a phone doesn't have to just be a, a boring tool that you use to plod through the day.
[01:38:48.480 --> 01:38:52.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: It can be excitement, adventure, a learning experience.
[01:38:52.440 --> 01:38:53.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's go back to the teleconference.
[01:38:54.180 --> 01:38:55.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, we're back.
[01:38:55.380 --> 01:38:56.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi folks, you're back.
[01:38:56.160 --> 01:38:56.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[01:38:57.240 --> 01:38:58.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: I just had to get that out.
[01:38:58.460 --> 01:39:01.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Some fun numbers, uh, for people to call.
[01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:07.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you dial 958 from, uh, Long Island or New York, Brooklyn, et cetera.
[01:39:08.080 --> 01:39:08.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: Get your number back.
[01:39:09.320 --> 01:39:10.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: That, that reads your telephone number back.
[01:39:11.120 --> 01:39:16.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: Except if your phone number starts 212-873, you have to dial 311.
[01:39:17.240 --> 01:39:19.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: What's the sequence in New York to get a ring back?
[01:39:20.160 --> 01:39:24.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: You dial 6-6-0, and then you get a dial tone.
[01:39:24.780 --> 01:39:28.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then you can dial either 112 or a two number sign.
[01:39:29.140 --> 01:39:30.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: You get another dial tone.
[01:39:31.040 --> 01:39:36.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: And when that happens, you press down the receiver of the phone, so you get a high-pitched tone.
[01:39:37.400 --> 01:39:39.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then, you hang up, and your phone rings.
[01:39:41.060 --> 01:39:41.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: Incredible, isn't it?
[01:39:41.880 --> 01:39:45.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, I'd like to know, a lot of people seem to know about 958 and ring backs.
[01:39:45.480 --> 01:39:47.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: How did you guys find out these things?
[01:39:47.440 --> 01:39:49.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Watch the telephone guy when he comes in.
[01:39:49.320 --> 01:39:49.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: Watch the what?
[01:39:50.160 --> 01:39:51.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: Watch the telephone guy, of course.
[01:39:51.620 --> 01:39:54.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: How can you get a ring back at a public vehicle?
[01:39:54.580 --> 01:40:02.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: Same, you do the same thing, only they're eliminating the 6-6-0 exchange in a lot of electronic areas that use newer equipment.
[01:40:02.440 --> 01:40:03.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: They're not fun anymore, are they?
[01:40:03.900 --> 01:40:04.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[01:40:04.360 --> 01:40:06.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think that's bad.
[01:40:06.300 --> 01:40:15.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: I once forgot what the ring back number was, and I wanted to use it sort of as, for an intercom within my apartment, with my father, who wasn't feeling well.
[01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:20.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: And I asked someone at a New York telephone store, and they told me.
[01:40:21.880 --> 01:40:22.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's true.
[01:40:22.480 --> 01:40:24.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: I had heard it years before, but I forgot it in the...
[01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:29.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: The way you find things, and I believe in New York it's 6-6-0, but out in Long Island it's different exchanges.
[01:40:29.240 --> 01:40:31.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: In my exchange, for instance, it's 2-3-0, plus the last four digits.
[01:40:32.500 --> 01:40:36.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: The only way to find these things is to do what we at the magazine did this month.
[01:40:37.020 --> 01:40:41.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Just go through every exchange and find out what they all are, and then you'll find the ring back exchanges.
[01:40:42.300 --> 01:40:46.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: We found one exchange that when you call it, it shows up on the phone bill and doesn't give a number.
[01:40:46.780 --> 01:40:49.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: It just says, test call, and there's no charge for it.
[01:40:50.140 --> 01:40:54.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: And it's a whole exchange just for phone company use, and who knows what's in there.
[01:40:54.940 --> 01:40:57.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: There was an old number used to be able to dial from a pay phone.
[01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:04.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: You dial, if you're from 2-1-2, you dial 0-2-1-2-9-5-9-1-2-3-0.
[01:41:04.140 --> 01:41:07.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: And you get a little recording that went like, coin test, please deposit nickel.
[01:41:08.180 --> 01:41:12.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: And if you put a nickel in, it would say nickel, and you put a dime, dime, et cetera, and give you your money back.
[01:41:13.020 --> 01:41:13.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: What was that number again?
[01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:19.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Zero, the area code you're calling from, 959-1-2-3-0.
[01:41:22.220 --> 01:41:23.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Unfortunately, recently, it doesn't work.
[01:41:24.120 --> 01:41:29.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hmm, I've heard a number like that without the area code part, the 0-9-5-9-1-2-3-0.
[01:41:29.940 --> 01:41:33.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: You can dial 0-9-5-9, but from New York City, you'd have to put the area code there.
[01:41:33.500 --> 01:41:36.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: And that tells you what you put into the phone.
[01:41:36.160 --> 01:41:37.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: It will say nickel if you put in a nickel.
[01:41:38.140 --> 01:41:40.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, you should know this anyway, but it's just kind of fun to hear that.
[01:41:41.220 --> 01:41:46.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, if you're testing out your little red box, and you want to make sure it's working properly, this is what you call it.
[01:41:47.060 --> 01:41:47.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hypothetically, of course.
[01:41:47.900 --> 01:41:48.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hypothetically.
[01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:50.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I stuffed a dollar bill in there.
[01:41:50.700 --> 01:41:51.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: Don't do this at home.
[01:41:51.480 --> 01:41:53.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, don't do this at home, and you can't do this at home.
[01:41:53.940 --> 01:41:55.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: How can you put a quarter in a phone at home?
[01:41:55.340 --> 01:41:59.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: I can tell you what you do on a nice day when you want to go out and it's not raining, and you want to learn about the phone company.
[01:41:59.980 --> 01:42:03.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Stop by a nice filled garbage bin at the back of your local telephone company.
[01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:05.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, now you've brought up trashing.
[01:42:05.240 --> 01:42:07.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, trashing is the way to get information.
[01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:09.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's how the kids are doing it these days.
[01:42:09.220 --> 01:42:15.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: Jumping into the dumpsters, hopefully a safe distance from when the garbage trucks come, and getting manuals and all kinds of things.
[01:42:16.180 --> 01:42:17.040]  Manual, two things.
[01:42:17.220 --> 01:42:29.240]  [SPEAKER_13]: One, if you wear your 2600 t-shirt in the music district, like the West 30s, people may ask you how your ARP is doing, how it's holding up these days, because the 2600 is also a famous number for music synthesizer players.
[01:42:29.400 --> 01:42:29.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: I see.
[01:42:29.780 --> 01:42:32.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: And don't forget the 2600 is an Atari game machine.
[01:42:32.220 --> 01:42:34.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: That I know, but what would be a clever...
[01:42:34.080 --> 01:42:35.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: My uncle's number from prison.
[01:42:35.140 --> 01:42:36.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: What would be a clever...
[01:42:36.840 --> 01:42:40.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: What would be a clever response for me to give that person, that music person?
[01:42:41.800 --> 01:42:42.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, I remember that.
[01:42:43.140 --> 01:42:44.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Have it on upside down.
[01:42:44.100 --> 01:42:46.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: The only word is the sentimental value that everything's digital these days.
[01:42:46.580 --> 01:42:48.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: The ARP was a great old analog synthesizer.
[01:42:49.480 --> 01:42:49.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: And?
[01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:53.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think there's also a DX series of synthesizers made by Yamaha.
[01:42:54.300 --> 01:42:54.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:55.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, Yamaha.
[01:42:56.380 --> 01:42:57.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: Did somebody have a second point?
[01:42:57.660 --> 01:43:02.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, since phone systems are digital now, 2600 doesn't work with the phone system anymore.
[01:43:03.220 --> 01:43:04.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, it certainly doesn't.
[01:43:04.180 --> 01:43:06.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: But it's fun to talk about and it's fun to remember.
[01:43:06.640 --> 01:43:11.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Does anybody know what the phone company is doing with those extra four buttons on their switch pads today?
[01:43:11.420 --> 01:43:11.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Nothing.
[01:43:12.280 --> 01:43:13.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: A, B, C, and D?
[01:43:13.340 --> 01:43:13.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:14.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Nothing.
[01:43:14.420 --> 01:43:15.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Tax shelter.
[01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:19.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: They use them in military phone networks that are separate from the phone company.
[01:43:19.860 --> 01:43:20.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[01:43:20.660 --> 01:43:27.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you call computer bulletin boards, you'll get about 50 different explanations all in conflict with each other as to how those buttons work.
[01:43:27.140 --> 01:43:27.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: But I'll tell you the right one.
[01:43:28.080 --> 01:43:28.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:43:28.660 --> 01:43:29.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: Tell us the right one.
[01:43:29.180 --> 01:43:41.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you dial information and you press the D key, now on old pay phones, if you hit the star, the zero, and the number sign button at the same time, it'll make a D tone.
[01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:46.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: It'll sound like a regular touch tone on the little off key, if you can recognize the tones.
[01:43:46.640 --> 01:43:53.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: And you hold this down while the phone is ringing and you'll get a busy signal or a fast busy signal called a reorder.
[01:43:54.300 --> 01:43:59.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Then you would hit the number six on your phone and you'd be connected to silence.
[01:43:59.500 --> 01:44:05.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: If somebody else were to do this at the same time and hit the number seven, you two would be connected together.
[01:44:06.020 --> 01:44:07.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: How close together?
[01:44:08.060 --> 01:44:08.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm sorry?
[01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:12.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: How close together would the two people have to be in time in doing this?
[01:44:12.400 --> 01:44:14.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, one person can just sit there waiting for his friend to call.
[01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:17.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: I used to do it when I was going to school, riding the trains.
[01:44:17.280 --> 01:44:19.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'd wait for a friend of mine, leave from his station.
[01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: We'd have to meet at another station, so we'd sit out there.
[01:44:22.680 --> 01:44:25.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: Those were the days when long-distance information was free, wasn't it?
[01:44:26.140 --> 01:44:26.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, no.
[01:44:26.700 --> 01:44:27.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: You do it on...
[01:44:27.620 --> 01:44:29.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: It works on 411.
[01:44:30.160 --> 01:44:31.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, it works on 411.
[01:44:31.520 --> 01:44:34.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, but do they monitor the lines for long-distance lines?
[01:44:34.280 --> 01:44:35.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, not at all.
[01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:36.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: The only...
[01:44:36.220 --> 01:44:37.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, you can't say not at all.
[01:44:37.900 --> 01:44:38.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: You don't know for sure.
[01:44:38.860 --> 01:44:43.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: The telephone operators are monitored because they get to tell if they don't get off the phones fast enough.
[01:44:43.660 --> 01:44:51.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, what this system was originally used for, the test system for 411 was used to test lines going to directory assistance operators.
[01:44:51.860 --> 01:44:56.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I understand that one time you could listen in on operators, but that was back in the 60s.
[01:44:56.580 --> 01:45:01.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then it was just, you could interface a computer, you know, to test the quality of the line going in.
[01:45:01.680 --> 01:45:06.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: I was once in upstate New York and I got a phone line down into Manhattan at one of the
[01:45:09.700 --> 01:45:13.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: local from Manhattan hotels.
[01:45:13.880 --> 01:45:15.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it was a strange thing.
[01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:21.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: I got connected to the information phone line inside the hotel and I was listening to all the outgoing phone calls.
[01:45:22.360 --> 01:45:23.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Emanuel, did you catch that?
[01:45:23.940 --> 01:45:24.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, excuse me?
[01:45:24.780 --> 01:45:25.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Keith from New Jersey.
[01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:25.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm going.
[01:45:26.220 --> 01:45:26.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, Keith.
[01:45:27.040 --> 01:45:28.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: Thanks for talking to us.
[01:45:28.440 --> 01:45:32.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: This is Daniel from Manhattan and I'm going to hang up to anybody else call.
[01:45:33.180 --> 01:45:33.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:45:33.740 --> 01:45:39.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't mean to interrupt, but you, this is a great show and I hope we hear a lot more of it.
[01:45:39.460 --> 01:45:40.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, thanks very much for calling.
[01:45:40.980 --> 01:45:41.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.
[01:45:41.540 --> 01:45:41.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: Bye-bye.
[01:45:42.020 --> 01:45:43.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: John from Manhattan.
[01:45:43.220 --> 01:45:43.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Good night.
[01:45:43.700 --> 01:45:43.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:45:44.160 --> 01:45:45.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're losing people like flies here.
[01:45:45.680 --> 01:45:46.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go right ahead.
[01:45:47.000 --> 01:45:48.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm about to retire.
[01:45:48.900 --> 01:45:49.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[01:45:49.600 --> 01:45:50.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: I must be going up somewhere.
[01:45:50.700 --> 01:45:51.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: Thank you with two final points.
[01:45:52.260 --> 01:46:02.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: One is that I recently was calling some business number and the woman, something answered and said, please hold on in a very mechanical voice.
[01:46:02.960 --> 01:46:05.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: There are no operators available at this time.
[01:46:05.280 --> 01:46:11.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I was really stumped because you have this sensory apparatus after a while that tells you that a voice is recorded.
[01:46:12.300 --> 01:46:16.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: And this woman was trying to sound like she was recorded, but she was a real live person.
[01:46:17.960 --> 01:46:21.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: And this is one of the great examples of the computer agent, what it does to people.
[01:46:22.160 --> 01:46:25.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: So I was really puzzled and I just said, are you real or are you live?
[01:46:25.660 --> 01:46:26.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: And she laughed.
[01:46:26.240 --> 01:46:26.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: She said, I'm live.
[01:46:27.120 --> 01:46:27.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm right.
[01:46:27.840 --> 01:46:28.340]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, you know what?
[01:46:28.340 --> 01:46:30.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's a great trick if you want to know who's calling.
[01:46:31.300 --> 01:46:38.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: Or a lot of people will turn on their tape on their answering machines and turn the volume up and listen to the incoming call before they'll answer.
[01:46:38.900 --> 01:46:39.180]  [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[01:46:39.820 --> 01:46:47.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Sort of like a modern day new technique of monitoring your phone call or having a preview of your phone call.
[01:46:47.340 --> 01:46:52.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Or you can answer your phone on the first ring and go like, operator, I need the number you're calling from, please.
[01:46:54.260 --> 01:46:56.980]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, but you have to have that all important boing machine.
[01:46:57.400 --> 01:46:57.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:46:58.300 --> 01:47:02.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Listen, does anybody know how to get the phone number of a pay phone from the pay phone?
[01:47:02.780 --> 01:47:09.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: You dial 958 or you can call the AT&T operator until you want to make a call to the Soviet Union.
[01:47:11.340 --> 01:47:12.120]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is serious.
[01:47:12.380 --> 01:47:21.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: She'll have to transfer you to another operator and she'll read your number off, you know, calling from 212-279-3400, non-coin.
[01:47:21.360 --> 01:47:24.160]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think she wants a valid Soviet number though and that's something...
[01:47:24.160 --> 01:47:24.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, no.
[01:47:24.660 --> 01:47:26.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: You have to give that to the second operator.
[01:47:26.140 --> 01:47:29.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, you have to book a call to the Soviet Union hours in advance.
[01:47:29.400 --> 01:47:29.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: No.
[01:47:30.020 --> 01:47:30.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: As of...
[01:47:30.580 --> 01:47:31.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wait, the 958 does...
[01:47:31.700 --> 01:47:32.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hold on, hold on, hold on.
[01:47:32.480 --> 01:47:33.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is there new information?
[01:47:33.320 --> 01:47:39.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: As of two months ago, due to glass notes or whatnot, you can get a call through the Soviet Union right away.
[01:47:39.360 --> 01:47:42.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: You want to place a call, you give them the number and it's ringing.
[01:47:42.800 --> 01:47:43.140]  [SPEAKER_13]: Really?
[01:47:43.320 --> 01:47:45.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Has anyone been using those new phone...
[01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:46.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Look at that last week.
[01:47:47.800 --> 01:47:50.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: With non-AT&T phones out on the streets.
[01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:55.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, you're talking about co-carts, coin, customer-owned coin-operated telephones.
[01:47:55.660 --> 01:47:59.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, would you believe a three-block call cost me a buck and a half one day on one of those?
[01:48:00.020 --> 01:48:01.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: A three-block call?
[01:48:01.340 --> 01:48:01.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[01:48:01.840 --> 01:48:03.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's not inconceivable.
[01:48:03.780 --> 01:48:06.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: They can set the rates up any way they want.
[01:48:06.240 --> 01:48:13.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, by the way, does anybody... if anybody wants to screw up those phones, there are special codes where you can call them up and blow their memory.
[01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:14.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[01:48:14.320 --> 01:48:28.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you ever see a phone called an IntelliCall, you can hit the star button and then a three-digit number and it's usually set to 000 or 666 and then you can reprogram the date and time on that.
[01:48:31.320 --> 01:48:35.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: So you can have the maximum discount in the middle of the day and the rates go up at night.
[01:48:35.900 --> 01:48:44.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, well, one of the phones is set up so you can call up with one of your phones that you've programmed yourself and have your programming transmitted over to their phone.
[01:48:44.740 --> 01:48:50.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: By the way, here's... anybody's interested in a working manual bulletin 004 of a Powerline electric coin telephone?
[01:48:51.300 --> 01:48:51.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: What?
[01:48:51.700 --> 01:48:52.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Copy here.
[01:48:53.380 --> 01:48:53.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Huh?
[01:48:55.440 --> 01:48:58.520]  [SPEAKER_13]: Listen, 958, for the person who said that, doesn't work at a public payphone.
[01:48:58.740 --> 01:48:59.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, it does.
[01:48:59.200 --> 01:49:00.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, it depends where you are.
[01:49:00.660 --> 01:49:00.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[01:49:01.340 --> 01:49:02.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Where are you?
[01:49:02.300 --> 01:49:02.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, specifically.
[01:49:03.220 --> 01:49:03.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: Where are you?
[01:49:04.560 --> 01:49:04.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: In...
[01:49:05.900 --> 01:49:06.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: What state?
[01:49:07.040 --> 01:49:07.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm in New Jersey.
[01:49:07.980 --> 01:49:08.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: New Jersey, okay.
[01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:12.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, 958 is specific to New York.
[01:49:12.160 --> 01:49:15.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: I have yet to know what the number identification is for New Jersey.
[01:49:15.180 --> 01:49:24.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: People have been asking me that for years, and I don't think anyone has ever found it, but I think the only way we're going to find it is by scanning out the exchanges and finding out what each exchange is used for.
[01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:25.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm going to do it tonight.
[01:49:25.840 --> 01:49:26.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: Do it tonight?
[01:49:26.500 --> 01:49:27.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, it'll take you a long time.
[01:49:27.540 --> 01:49:29.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: It'll take you a few... about a week, at least.
[01:49:30.000 --> 01:49:30.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: I heard... no, no, no.
[01:49:31.040 --> 01:49:34.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, I've tried at public payphones to get the number used...
[01:49:34.100 --> 01:49:41.320]  [SPEAKER_13]: to get their... the payphone number from... with the use of 958, and I found in New York City it doesn't work either.
[01:49:48.410 --> 01:49:51.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm worried about it, but I try to avoid those advertisements.
[01:49:51.890 --> 01:49:53.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: When they come on, I turn off.
[01:49:53.850 --> 01:50:04.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you call 958 from a payphone in the Marriott Hotel on 44th Street and Broadway, in the background while it's reading off your number, you hear their music on hold music, which is sometimes fun.
[01:50:05.930 --> 01:50:06.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: Cool.
[01:50:06.730 --> 01:50:07.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: Fascinating.
[01:50:07.390 --> 01:50:10.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, folks, with that fascinating fact, we're going to terminate the conference.
[01:50:11.530 --> 01:50:11.710]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know.
[01:50:11.710 --> 01:50:21.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: We will be opening up the phone lines to individual calls in a couple of minutes, but I want to thank all you guys for calling up and making this interesting conversation here.
[01:50:21.250 --> 01:50:21.870]  [SPEAKER_15]: Thank you.
[01:50:22.030 --> 01:50:22.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: My pleasure, Manuel.
[01:50:23.050 --> 01:50:23.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: Go ahead.
[01:50:23.750 --> 01:50:24.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: We have one last...
[01:50:24.830 --> 01:50:25.850]  [SPEAKER_13]: I used to work for the phone company.
[01:50:25.930 --> 01:50:27.010]  [SPEAKER_12]: You used to work for the phone company.
[01:50:27.130 --> 01:50:35.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: And for all you guys, phone freaks, who put down the phone company, you know, you realize we really gave you great service until the breakup.
[01:50:35.970 --> 01:50:37.810]  [SPEAKER_16]: A&T will be a monopoly again.
[01:50:37.810 --> 01:50:39.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we're a union shop.
[01:50:39.470 --> 01:50:39.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay?
[01:50:40.210 --> 01:50:52.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, you know, if your phone freaks went into New York town and worked for A&T, you know, you know, we have problems in Watts and all, but we did our best to give good service.
[01:50:52.990 --> 01:50:53.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[01:50:53.310 --> 01:50:54.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: Most phone freaks...
[01:50:54.230 --> 01:50:56.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: When did you work for the phone company?
[01:50:57.250 --> 01:51:00.670]  [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, around eight, two, I quit.
[01:51:01.050 --> 01:51:01.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[01:51:01.710 --> 01:51:06.590]  [SPEAKER_11]: Hey, most phone freaks I've ever dealt with have great respect for what the phone company used to be.
[01:51:06.590 --> 01:51:07.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, a lot of...
[01:51:07.810 --> 01:51:12.670]  [SPEAKER_12]: The phone freaks and the engineers of the world are the only people that know how to make a phone call anymore.
[01:51:13.090 --> 01:51:14.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, like the bell raps.
[01:51:14.210 --> 01:51:17.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: Like you were saying, what are some of the numbers and extra buttons?
[01:51:18.210 --> 01:51:27.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: They put those things on because they know in the future someone might think of something new and, you know, they use another number, they need another button to put.
[01:51:27.550 --> 01:51:29.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: Or eventually they'll just need more exchanges.
[01:51:30.370 --> 01:51:36.910]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, as of 1995, I believe, area codes will no longer have to have one or zero in the middle of them.
[01:51:37.190 --> 01:51:40.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: And then you'll have an unlimited number of exchanges and area codes.
[01:51:40.830 --> 01:51:48.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hey, can somebody tell me how powerful a phone line, how powerful a computer I need to tap into the telephone computer line?
[01:51:48.370 --> 01:51:49.690]  [SPEAKER_12]: How powerful a computer?
[01:51:49.690 --> 01:51:50.870]  [SPEAKER_12]: You don't need a computer at all.
[01:51:50.870 --> 01:51:51.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, no, no.
[01:51:51.630 --> 01:51:56.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, if I tapped into the telephone, the actual billing computer, would a PC do it?
[01:51:56.390 --> 01:51:57.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: That sounds illegal.
[01:51:57.530 --> 01:52:00.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: That sounds very illegal and, of course, we all frown on that.
[01:52:01.090 --> 01:52:03.710]  [SPEAKER_12]: But the fact of the matter is, a terminal can do it.
[01:52:03.730 --> 01:52:05.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: You don't need a computer because you're not computing.
[01:52:05.610 --> 01:52:07.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're simply tapping into something.
[01:52:07.270 --> 01:52:08.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who's not computing?
[01:52:08.190 --> 01:52:09.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: You don't know what I'm going to do.
[01:52:09.170 --> 01:52:12.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, no, but you'll be using their computer to compute, I assume.
[01:52:13.470 --> 01:52:14.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know what you're going to do.
[01:52:14.650 --> 01:52:16.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't want to know what you're going to do.
[01:52:16.890 --> 01:52:18.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: Anyway, folks, thanks very much for calling.
[01:52:18.550 --> 01:52:24.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: One last thing I'd like to ask you all to do is all hang up at the same time so that we can hear an amazing number of clicks and relays going.
[01:52:24.630 --> 01:52:26.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: Can I interject one comment?
[01:52:26.250 --> 01:52:27.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: This is the last interjection.
[01:52:27.330 --> 01:52:27.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[01:52:27.670 --> 01:52:29.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: You don't need a dumb terminal.
[01:52:29.410 --> 01:52:30.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: You only need a terminal.
[01:52:31.390 --> 01:52:31.710]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:52:31.930 --> 01:52:32.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: Fair enough.
[01:52:33.050 --> 01:52:33.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: Folks, it's been a pleasure.
[01:52:34.150 --> 01:52:35.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: Maybe we'll see some of you at the meeting tomorrow.
[01:52:35.690 --> 01:52:36.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: Take it easy.
[01:52:36.410 --> 01:52:36.610]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[01:52:36.610 --> 01:52:38.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: What's the number we're going to hang up on?
[01:52:38.750 --> 01:52:40.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, yes, I should count down, shouldn't I?
[01:52:41.230 --> 01:52:41.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, everyone.
[01:52:41.670 --> 01:52:42.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: Zero or one?
[01:52:42.150 --> 01:52:42.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: What do you want to do?
[01:52:42.810 --> 01:52:43.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bye, Kelly.
[01:52:43.150 --> 01:52:44.610]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right after I say one.
[01:52:44.950 --> 01:52:45.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: Three.
[01:52:45.350 --> 01:52:46.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: Do announce the meeting again.
[01:52:46.850 --> 01:52:47.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: I will.
[01:52:47.710 --> 01:52:48.750]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know what that is.
[01:52:49.050 --> 01:52:51.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: Three, two, one.
[01:52:51.630 --> 01:52:52.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: Pumpkin!
[01:52:52.430 --> 01:52:53.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: There they go.
[01:52:56.300 --> 01:52:57.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh boy, it wasn't that fun.
[01:52:58.690 --> 01:53:02.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: A teleconference here on the airwaves of WBAI.
[01:53:02.640 --> 01:53:09.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I'll tell you, you just can't do these things anywhere.
[01:53:11.630 --> 01:53:20.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: It takes a radio station like this to appreciate technology in that kind of a way where you can link 10 people up together for how long did we do this?
[01:53:20.140 --> 01:53:21.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: An hour and a half?
[01:53:21.140 --> 01:53:21.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: An hour and 20 minutes?
[01:53:22.060 --> 01:53:29.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: And just talk about phones and computers and shortwave and pirate radio stations and things like that.
[01:53:30.370 --> 01:53:31.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: So I hope we do that again.
[01:53:32.100 --> 01:53:33.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: We have another half hour though of Off the Hook.
[01:53:33.920 --> 01:53:50.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I'd like to again remind you if you want a free listing of the various conference line services, and these are the ones you'd have to pay for folks, the ones that cost lots of money, write to us at Off the Hook, care of WBAI, 505 8th Avenue, New York,
[01:53:50.700 --> 01:53:52.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: New York, 10018.
[01:53:53.040 --> 01:54:02.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I was thinking with the guy from the phone company and all these other people that seem to have an unending supply of stories and methods of getting information.
[01:54:02.040 --> 01:54:12.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you have a story or some interesting piece of information regarding telephones or computers, you can send it in to 2600 Magazine.
[01:54:13.860 --> 01:54:21.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I know it'll get printed if it's interesting and of use to people all over the world.
[01:54:21.060 --> 01:54:31.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's the way that technological enthusiasts, and that's what we like to call these people, it's kind of a positive way of referring to them, technological enthusiasts, because that's really what we are.
[01:54:31.320 --> 01:54:32.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: We just love technology.
[01:54:32.800 --> 01:54:39.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: We love to play with these things, these toys, and ask the questions and find out the answers we're not supposed to know sometimes.
[01:54:40.100 --> 01:54:54.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: So if you want to send in an article or a list of phone numbers or any kind of information like that, write to 2600, Post Office Box 752, Middle Island, New York, 11953.
[01:54:54.460 --> 01:54:56.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'll give that one more time.
[01:54:57.320 --> 01:55:00.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: 2600, 2600, P.O.
[01:55:00.410 --> 01:55:08.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: Box 752, Middle Island, two words, New York, two more words, 11953.
[01:55:08.450 --> 01:55:20.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: And if you want to leave a message or call up or hear all that again, call 516-751-2600, and you can call out 24 hours a day.
[01:55:21.050 --> 01:55:24.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: Our number is 279-3400, area code 212.
[01:55:24.950 --> 01:55:31.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: We'll be taking a few more calls, but first I'm going to get a drink of water or something, and I'll leave you with this.
[01:55:31.950 --> 01:55:32.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: A phone.
[01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:33.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh no.
[01:55:33.320 --> 01:55:33.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: Ha ha.
[01:55:52.800 --> 01:55:53.480]  [SPEAKER_27]: Ha.
[01:55:55.060 --> 01:55:55.720]  [SPEAKER_27]: Ha.
[01:55:56.740 --> 01:55:56.840]  [SPEAKER_27]: Ha.
[01:55:58.360 --> 01:55:58.380]  [SPEAKER_27]: Oh no.
[01:56:03.940 --> 01:56:05.260]  [SPEAKER_27]: Ha ha.
[01:56:05.260 --> 01:56:05.300]  Ha.
[01:56:13.220 --> 01:56:18.440]  [SPEAKER_20]: The invitation's comfortable.
[01:56:19.320 --> 01:56:22.820]  [SPEAKER_20]: Sitting down and switching up.
[01:56:23.060 --> 01:56:25.020]  [SPEAKER_20]: The wooden box.
[01:56:25.240 --> 01:56:26.880]  [SPEAKER_20]: The door is locked.
[01:56:27.400 --> 01:56:28.940]  [SPEAKER_20]: Switching up.
[01:56:29.580 --> 01:56:30.900]  [SPEAKER_20]: The road outside.
[01:56:31.400 --> 01:56:33.200]  The part is over.
[01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:42.780]  [SPEAKER_27]: To have respect on everyone that you know.
[01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:46.640]  [SPEAKER_27]: To have surprises waiting outside your door.
[01:56:46.640 --> 01:56:50.400]  [SPEAKER_27]: When you come home to answer your telephone.
[01:56:51.420 --> 01:56:54.950]  The day it rings.
[01:56:55.490 --> 01:56:57.030]  [SPEAKER_20]: The light is full.
[01:56:57.210 --> 01:56:58.950]  [SPEAKER_20]: Well, it starts to shine.
[01:56:59.490 --> 01:57:01.030]  [SPEAKER_20]: The liquid's up.
[01:57:01.230 --> 01:57:02.930]  [SPEAKER_20]: First it's a song.
[01:57:03.370 --> 01:57:04.910]  [SPEAKER_20]: It's out of tune.
[01:57:05.470 --> 01:57:06.890]  [SPEAKER_20]: The time is gone.
[01:57:07.930 --> 01:57:10.710]  [SPEAKER_27]: It makes me wonderful to live like you do.
[01:57:11.310 --> 01:57:14.710]  [SPEAKER_27]: To have respect on everyone that you know.
[01:57:15.310 --> 01:57:18.430]  [SPEAKER_27]: To have surprises waiting outside your door.
[01:57:19.290 --> 01:57:22.490]  [SPEAKER_27]: When you come home to answer your door.
[01:57:47.360 --> 01:57:50.660]  [SPEAKER_27]: It must be wonderful to live like you do.
[01:57:51.480 --> 01:57:54.680]  [SPEAKER_27]: To have respect on everyone that you know.
[01:57:55.280 --> 01:57:58.660]  [SPEAKER_27]: To have surprises waiting outside your door.
[01:57:59.500 --> 01:58:02.460]  [SPEAKER_27]: When you come home to answer your door.
[01:58:22.880 --> 01:58:26.740]  [SPEAKER_27]: To have respect on everyone that you know.
[01:58:27.320 --> 01:58:29.160]  [SPEAKER_27]: To have surprise on everyone that you know.
[01:58:29.160 --> 01:58:30.580]  [SPEAKER_27]: To have surprises waiting outside your door.
[01:58:58.660 --> 01:59:00.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's the fun boy three, of course.
[01:59:00.460 --> 01:59:03.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Of course, with the telephone, it always rings.
[01:59:03.680 --> 01:59:04.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: And our telephones are ringing.
[01:59:05.060 --> 01:59:08.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can make it ring some more, though, by calling us at 279-3400.
[01:59:08.840 --> 01:59:13.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: We'll be going back to the phones in just a minute, but we have an important reminder for one thing.
[01:59:17.450 --> 01:59:19.630]  [SPEAKER_22]: Hello, this is Mr. Memory.
[01:59:20.050 --> 01:59:21.630]  [SPEAKER_22]: What have you forgotten today?
[01:59:21.890 --> 01:59:23.330]  [SPEAKER_22]: Let's take the first call.
[01:59:23.810 --> 01:59:27.550]  [SPEAKER_19]: Hello, Mr. Memory.
[01:59:27.550 --> 01:59:28.810]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, yeah.
[01:59:29.190 --> 01:59:42.670]  [SPEAKER_19]: I pledged to WBAI during the last marathon, and I keep forgetting to send in the check to post office box 12345, Church Street Station, New York, New York, 10249, made out to Pacifica WBAI.
[01:59:43.010 --> 01:59:43.930]  [SPEAKER_19]: How can I remember?
[01:59:43.930 --> 01:59:50.690]  [SPEAKER_22]: Well, tie a loop of barbed wire around your wrist, and at the same time, form a mental image of a tetrahedron.
[01:59:51.110 --> 01:59:52.890]  [SPEAKER_22]: Spin it 37...
[01:59:59.940 --> 02:00:09.320]  [SPEAKER_22]: ...to send your check to WBAI at box 12345, Church Street Station, New York, New York, 10249.
[02:00:09.520 --> 02:00:10.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: You should send it in immediately.
[02:00:11.360 --> 02:00:12.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: BAI needs the money.
[02:00:13.380 --> 02:00:14.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: And that's true.
[02:00:14.280 --> 02:00:15.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: We need the money.
[02:00:15.380 --> 02:00:18.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: So please, if you made a pledge, pay your pledge.
[02:00:18.780 --> 02:00:19.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's a part of the deal.
[02:00:19.640 --> 02:00:21.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: You know, you make the pledge, and you pay it.
[02:00:21.560 --> 02:00:24.060]  [SPEAKER_12]: And believe me, you'll feel much better after paying it, too.
[02:00:24.940 --> 02:00:27.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, our number is 279-3400.
[02:00:27.560 --> 02:00:30.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: We'll be going back to the phones in just a minute or so.
[02:00:33.260 --> 02:00:34.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: For you shortwave people.
[02:00:34.700 --> 02:00:45.280]  [SPEAKER_26]: The Autonomous Komi Republic, which is part of the Russian Federation, is situated in the far northwest of Europe, and spreads up to the Arctic part of the Ural Mountains.
[02:00:45.280 --> 02:00:48.220]  [SPEAKER_26]: It's crossed by nine northern parallels.
[02:00:48.780 --> 02:00:53.020]  [SPEAKER_26]: Ten fair-sized European states could be placed on its territory.
[02:00:53.320 --> 02:01:02.360]  [SPEAKER_26]: Besides indigenous residents, that is, the Komi people, there are also Russians, Ukrainians, Nenetses, Chuvashis, and Tatars.
[02:01:03.000 --> 02:01:05.660]  [SPEAKER_26]: And now, let's go back into history a little bit.
[02:01:06.880 --> 02:01:13.420]  [SPEAKER_26]: A boy lying on skins behind our backs was turning the knobs of a small transistor radio.
[02:01:18.600 --> 02:01:22.820]  [SPEAKER_26]: And the tent was suddenly filled with an announcer's voice speaking Komi.
[02:01:26.200 --> 02:01:30.820]  [SPEAKER_26]: Then, with music from Moscow, followed by English and French speech.
[02:01:31.120 --> 02:01:34.700]  [SPEAKER_04]: The recording was made at the Moscow Theater of Musical Miniatures.
[02:01:35.160 --> 02:01:36.880]  [SPEAKER_26]: Now, back to modern times.
[02:01:36.880 --> 02:01:39.100]  [SPEAKER_02]: Your attention, please.
[02:01:39.380 --> 02:01:50.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: At the recommendation of the International Time Bureau, commencing at 23 hours, 59 minutes, 60 seconds, UTC, an extra second will be inserted into the NBS timescale.
[02:01:50.840 --> 02:02:01.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: This adjustment is required to maintain internationally coordinated universal time as broadcast from these stations in close agreement with UT-1, or astronomical time.
[02:02:06.790 --> 02:02:10.250]  [SPEAKER_02]: WA-6-O-D-B with a question.
[02:02:13.490 --> 02:02:14.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: And, uh...
[02:02:14.410 --> 02:02:16.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how many time zones there are in the Soviet Union?
[02:02:17.130 --> 02:02:18.610]  [SPEAKER_09]: And about power...
[02:02:18.610 --> 02:02:19.050]  [SPEAKER_09]: You meant...
[02:02:19.050 --> 02:02:20.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: We got so much power now.
[02:02:20.610 --> 02:02:23.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how many time zones there are in the Soviet Union?
[02:02:23.230 --> 02:02:24.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: We got so much power now.
[02:02:25.010 --> 02:02:25.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's ridiculous.
[02:02:26.230 --> 02:02:29.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how many time zones there are in the Soviet Union?
[02:02:29.410 --> 02:02:30.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: Power and all that.
[02:02:30.950 --> 02:02:31.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's power.
[02:02:31.930 --> 02:02:33.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: We got so much power.
[02:02:33.030 --> 02:02:33.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's ridiculous.
[02:02:34.310 --> 02:02:38.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: We have power, power, power, power, power, power now.
[02:02:39.110 --> 02:02:39.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's ridiculous.
[02:02:40.190 --> 02:02:41.490]  [SPEAKER_13]: We've got so much power now.
[02:02:41.650 --> 02:02:44.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how many time zones there are in the Soviet Union?
[02:02:44.310 --> 02:02:45.330]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not even funny.
[02:02:46.010 --> 02:02:46.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's ridiculous.
[02:02:47.070 --> 02:02:48.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how many... It's not even funny.
[02:02:49.230 --> 02:02:50.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's ridiculous.
[02:02:50.290 --> 02:02:51.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how many... That's ridiculous.
[02:02:52.210 --> 02:02:53.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how many times...
[02:02:53.170 --> 02:02:53.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's ridiculous.
[02:02:54.170 --> 02:02:55.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not even funny.
[02:02:55.790 --> 02:02:56.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not even funny.
[02:02:58.170 --> 02:02:59.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how many time zones
[02:03:11.050 --> 02:03:12.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, sir.
[02:03:23.850 --> 02:03:25.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, sir.
[02:03:26.310 --> 02:03:28.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how many time zones they have?
[02:03:28.930 --> 02:03:29.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, sir.
[02:03:30.130 --> 02:03:30.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: Four.
[02:03:30.890 --> 02:03:31.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, sir.
[02:03:31.730 --> 02:03:33.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: I never really studied that.
[02:03:33.850 --> 02:03:34.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: Eleven.
[02:03:35.250 --> 02:03:35.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: Eleven.
[02:03:36.190 --> 02:03:37.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not even funny.
[02:03:37.610 --> 02:03:38.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: Eleven.
[02:03:38.850 --> 02:03:39.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: Eleven.
[02:03:39.730 --> 02:03:40.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's ridiculous.
[02:03:41.030 --> 02:03:41.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: Eleven.
[02:03:42.290 --> 02:03:42.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: Eleven.
[02:03:43.190 --> 02:03:44.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's what we can do.
[02:03:44.190 --> 02:03:46.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: We can go anywhere because we live here.
[02:03:46.190 --> 02:03:50.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but not only the right of free travel, I'm saying eleven.
[02:03:51.750 --> 02:03:52.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: Eleven.
[02:03:53.130 --> 02:03:53.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: One, two, three.
[02:03:53.810 --> 02:03:54.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, sir.
[02:03:54.850 --> 02:03:55.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: Eleven.
[02:03:56.230 --> 02:03:56.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: Eleven.
[02:03:57.070 --> 02:03:57.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's how big they are.
[02:03:57.910 --> 02:03:58.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.
[02:03:59.270 --> 02:03:59.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: Eleven.
[02:03:59.910 --> 02:04:00.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's how big they are.
[02:04:01.030 --> 02:04:01.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah.
[02:04:01.950 --> 02:04:02.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: I can believe that.
[02:04:03.070 --> 02:04:04.210]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm a firm believer in that.
[02:04:04.430 --> 02:04:04.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right?
[02:04:05.390 --> 02:04:05.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: One, two, three.
[02:04:06.890 --> 02:04:07.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: Four.
[02:04:07.690 --> 02:04:08.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, sir.
[02:04:08.570 --> 02:04:09.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: One, two, three.
[02:04:09.230 --> 02:04:09.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, sir.
[02:04:09.690 --> 02:04:10.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, sir.
[02:04:10.550 --> 02:04:13.850]  [SPEAKER_13]: The Soviet Union, the whole half side of the world.
[02:04:14.690 --> 02:04:15.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[02:04:15.370 --> 02:04:19.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we're just a little, one little tent of the globe.
[02:04:20.190 --> 02:04:20.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[02:04:21.130 --> 02:04:26.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: They, uh, when you talk about fighting, we're a country that, uh, we're a firm believer on Christ.
[02:04:26.750 --> 02:04:28.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it's called help thy neighbor.
[02:04:28.830 --> 02:04:29.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: Do not kill.
[02:04:30.130 --> 02:04:33.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: Do not, you know, steal, cheat, lie from everybody.
[02:04:33.470 --> 02:04:38.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's why we have to have computers because, man, nobody is perfect.
[02:04:39.210 --> 02:04:39.850]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know?
[02:04:39.850 --> 02:04:39.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: No.
[02:04:40.910 --> 02:04:41.030]  No.
[02:04:41.090 --> 02:04:42.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's not even funny.
[02:04:42.570 --> 02:04:46.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: You meant... And about power, man, nobody is perfect.
[02:04:47.690 --> 02:04:48.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know?
[02:04:48.430 --> 02:04:49.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: So what is your point?
[02:04:49.370 --> 02:04:50.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: Nobody is perfect.
[02:04:51.330 --> 02:04:51.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know?
[02:04:52.070 --> 02:04:53.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: So what is your point, Glenn?
[02:04:53.390 --> 02:04:55.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's, there's, there's two things you don't talk about.
[02:04:56.030 --> 02:04:57.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: One's politics, and the other one's religion.
[02:04:58.410 --> 02:05:02.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: You meant... They can, the reason you don't talk about them is because they combine in each other.
[02:05:03.230 --> 02:05:04.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know what I'm saying?
[02:05:04.270 --> 02:05:06.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how many time zones there are in the Soviet Union?
[02:05:07.490 --> 02:05:08.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know what I'm saying?
[02:05:08.610 --> 02:05:09.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: Don't you kid yourself.
[02:05:10.070 --> 02:05:14.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks, Glenn, for the, uh, no, just thanks for the, the good thoughts.
[02:05:21.620 --> 02:05:24.320]  [SPEAKER_08]: This concludes our transmission to Oceania.
[02:05:24.680 --> 02:05:29.100]  [SPEAKER_08]: However, listeners in East Asia may continue listening on the following shortwave frequencies.
[02:05:30.860 --> 02:05:38.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: 6110, 7230, 9565, 9760, 15160, and 15425 kilohertz.
[02:05:51.120 --> 02:05:59.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I really envy anybody that, uh, was driving along down, uh, down a, a city street.
[02:05:59.180 --> 02:06:02.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's say, uh, a West Side Highway or something.
[02:06:02.740 --> 02:06:22.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Seeing a city filled with lights, but nobody moving about, just all these buildings and these orange sodium vapor lights, hearing that strange, strange sound from Radio Moscow and telephone calls and strange alien-type music.
[02:06:22.380 --> 02:06:29.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, that came to us from Negative Land, uh, fantastic, uh, California group of people.
[02:06:30.060 --> 02:06:32.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: And the whole album is, is just filled with all kinds of surprises.
[02:06:34.120 --> 02:06:37.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: And one of my favorites, Negative Land, from their most recent album.
[02:06:38.220 --> 02:06:42.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, this, uh, this program is off the hook, and we're on for about another 15 minutes.
[02:06:42.400 --> 02:06:44.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Coming in at, uh, 3.30 is morning due.
[02:06:45.680 --> 02:06:48.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: And, uh, we will be taking phone calls.
[02:06:48.680 --> 02:06:50.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: And what is the number, computer?
[02:06:52.540 --> 02:06:57.780]  [SPEAKER_25]: 2-7-9-3-4-100 is a working number.
[02:07:00.080 --> 02:07:01.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: And that is correct.
[02:07:01.180 --> 02:07:03.940]  [SPEAKER_12]: Area code 2-1-2-2-7-9-3-4-100.
[02:07:04.220 --> 02:07:10.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: The program is off the hook, and we're talking about telephones and, uh, computers and various things like that.
[02:07:10.740 --> 02:07:11.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's go back to the phones.
[02:07:12.160 --> 02:07:12.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[02:07:12.880 --> 02:07:13.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[02:07:13.400 --> 02:07:15.180]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, Manny, I'm curious now.
[02:07:15.300 --> 02:07:23.360]  [SPEAKER_13]: I wonder if you know a way that I can get a list of 800 numbers, for instance, if there's an 800 number I know, that I can, I can find that out.
[02:07:23.780 --> 02:07:27.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I believe, uh, AT&T has some kind of an 800 directory.
[02:07:27.880 --> 02:07:28.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is that what you're looking for?
[02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:32.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, either that, either, either a directory, like, like a phone book, you mean.
[02:07:32.860 --> 02:07:37.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, yeah, they said, they have a, a toll-free phone, one for residents and one for, uh, businesses.
[02:07:37.920 --> 02:07:39.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: And they, they charge you for it, though.
[02:07:39.300 --> 02:07:41.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you call AT&T, they'll tell you how to get it.
[02:07:41.100 --> 02:07:41.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: What?
[02:07:41.420 --> 02:07:42.300]  [SPEAKER_18]: Now, why did they charge you?
[02:07:42.440 --> 02:07:45.800]  [SPEAKER_18]: If it's a toll-free number, I should be, I should be, I should be able to call that number for free.
[02:07:45.980 --> 02:07:49.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, you, you raised a very good point there, one that I've never been able to understand.
[02:07:49.940 --> 02:07:51.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, they are toll-free numbers.
[02:07:51.320 --> 02:07:53.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I ain't paying, I ain't paying a lot of money for a toll-free number.
[02:07:53.960 --> 02:08:01.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: But the book costs money, but, but it balances out, you see, because the numbers that you call and you pay money for, the phone books are free, right?
[02:08:01.100 --> 02:08:04.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: See, see, my, my brother worked, my brother worked for the post office in Louisiana.
[02:08:04.480 --> 02:08:04.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[02:08:04.860 --> 02:08:08.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I was, I was wondering, I was wondering if they had a, if they had a toll-free number for that down there.
[02:08:08.500 --> 02:08:12.780]  [SPEAKER_13]: See, I ain't, I ain't gonna pay a whole lot of money or something for a book, just so I can find if they got a number.
[02:08:12.780 --> 02:08:14.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, well, no, you can call toll-free information.
[02:08:15.020 --> 02:08:15.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: Is that what you want to do?
[02:08:16.120 --> 02:08:17.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, it's like a number I can call.
[02:08:17.540 --> 02:08:18.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, yes, yes.
[02:08:18.480 --> 02:08:21.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: Just dial 1-800-555-1212.
[02:08:21.120 --> 02:08:21.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hold on, let me get my pen.
[02:08:22.120 --> 02:08:23.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's, it's, it's really quite simple.
[02:08:23.960 --> 02:08:25.720]  [SPEAKER_13]: I dial 1, I dial 800.
[02:08:26.080 --> 02:08:28.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: And then, 5-5-5-1212.
[02:08:29.020 --> 02:08:32.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: 5-5-5-1212.
[02:08:32.040 --> 02:08:33.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, why don't you read that back to me, man?
[02:08:33.560 --> 02:08:34.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's make sure you got it correctly.
[02:08:34.940 --> 02:08:37.200]  1-8-5-5.
[02:08:37.200 --> 02:08:37.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, boy.
[02:08:37.840 --> 02:08:38.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: 5-5-5.
[02:08:38.300 --> 02:08:39.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, no, no, let's start over again.
[02:08:39.800 --> 02:08:39.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[02:08:40.100 --> 02:08:41.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, let's start over.
[02:08:41.300 --> 02:08:42.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: Clean the slate.
[02:08:42.400 --> 02:08:43.540]  Okay, I'm just, okay.
[02:08:43.700 --> 02:08:44.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: Here we go.
[02:08:44.200 --> 02:08:44.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: What do you mean?
[02:08:45.120 --> 02:08:46.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're gonna start from scratch.
[02:08:46.600 --> 02:08:49.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're gonna start from scratch, and then we're gonna get it right this time.
[02:08:50.300 --> 02:08:50.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: 1.
[02:08:51.260 --> 02:08:52.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, so 1-800-1.
[02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:53.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, boy.
[02:08:54.540 --> 02:09:00.020]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm gonna say this one more time, and then you can, you can sort of go out into the, the street and start screaming, and somebody will help you then.
[02:09:00.140 --> 02:09:04.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: And I was driving along on the West Side Highway, and I heard some strange lights and all.
[02:09:04.260 --> 02:09:06.040]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't think you were on the West Side Highway at all.
[02:09:06.200 --> 02:09:06.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[02:09:06.400 --> 02:09:09.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe in your mind you're in the West Side Highway.
[02:09:09.140 --> 02:09:11.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, what I'm doing is I'm trying to depreciate the audience.
[02:09:11.820 --> 02:09:12.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[02:09:12.760 --> 02:09:16.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: And let you understand that we're out here, and we know where you're going.
[02:09:16.500 --> 02:09:17.860]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, we, we know where you're going to.
[02:09:18.620 --> 02:09:19.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: Where are we going to?
[02:09:19.820 --> 02:09:22.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I understand, I understand where you're going with the show.
[02:09:22.920 --> 02:09:24.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: I understand what, what you're saying by the show.
[02:09:25.120 --> 02:09:26.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, well, that's good that you understand that.
[02:09:28.800 --> 02:09:31.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: 1-800-555-1212 for toll-free information.
[02:09:32.180 --> 02:09:33.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: We're going to go to some more calls.
[02:09:33.260 --> 02:09:33.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, thank you.
[02:09:33.960 --> 02:09:34.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: Bye-bye.
[02:09:35.060 --> 02:09:36.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[02:09:36.500 --> 02:09:36.840]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, hi.
[02:09:36.900 --> 02:09:38.260]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm trying to bring my brother up in New York.
[02:09:38.400 --> 02:09:39.200]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm calling from Louisiana.
[02:09:39.640 --> 02:09:40.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: Wait a minute, wait.
[02:09:40.340 --> 02:09:41.220]  [SPEAKER_12]: What's going on here?
[02:09:41.620 --> 02:09:42.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: How many phones do you have?
[02:09:44.080 --> 02:09:45.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, let's hope you don't have any more.
[02:09:45.680 --> 02:09:46.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[02:09:46.900 --> 02:09:47.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello, good morning.
[02:09:47.940 --> 02:09:48.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hi.
[02:09:48.600 --> 02:09:48.920]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hi.
[02:09:49.480 --> 02:09:54.380]  [SPEAKER_13]: Could you please tell me how I could get something like the KKK hotline?
[02:09:55.540 --> 02:10:00.380]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I won't ask why you want something like that, but there are numbers published.
[02:10:00.740 --> 02:10:02.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're talking about a phone hotline, right?
[02:10:03.200 --> 02:10:03.460]  [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[02:10:03.780 --> 02:10:11.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: In fact, on a radio show I did a couple of weeks ago on a different station, I called two Nazi hotlines live on the air.
[02:10:11.440 --> 02:10:12.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: I got quite a response.
[02:10:13.100 --> 02:10:14.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: People had no idea these things existed.
[02:10:15.480 --> 02:10:17.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: And the things they were saying, of course, were really horrible.
[02:10:18.460 --> 02:10:20.260]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't have numbers with me.
[02:10:20.340 --> 02:10:21.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: I know they exist.
[02:10:21.300 --> 02:10:22.960]  [SPEAKER_12]: I know we printed them in the magazine.
[02:10:22.960 --> 02:10:24.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: They're on bulletin boards.
[02:10:24.860 --> 02:10:26.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: So I can't help you there.
[02:10:26.440 --> 02:10:30.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I don't think they're listed in directory information as the KKK hotline or anything like that.
[02:10:32.280 --> 02:10:39.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: I would suggest asking around in the computer underground or just calling other people with a similar interest.
[02:10:39.680 --> 02:10:40.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Those numbers do get spread around.
[02:10:41.040 --> 02:10:47.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: And there's Nazi bulletin board systems, too, which also say horrible things.
[02:10:47.800 --> 02:10:49.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I don't want the Nazi bulletin.
[02:10:49.420 --> 02:10:50.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: I want the KKK.
[02:10:52.220 --> 02:10:54.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I wish I could help you, but I can't.
[02:10:54.500 --> 02:10:56.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: I just don't have that number with me now.
[02:10:56.980 --> 02:10:58.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're in other states.
[02:10:58.680 --> 02:10:59.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: Excuse me?
[02:10:59.480 --> 02:11:00.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: They're in other states.
[02:11:00.740 --> 02:11:01.600]  [SPEAKER_12]: They're in other states.
[02:11:01.660 --> 02:11:03.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I can give you numbers for...
[02:11:03.680 --> 02:11:06.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: K is listed in the phone book.
[02:11:06.380 --> 02:11:07.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: They're listed in the phone book?
[02:11:07.860 --> 02:11:08.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[02:11:08.840 --> 02:11:10.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: Wow, what state have they listed in the phone book?
[02:11:11.040 --> 02:11:11.440]  [SPEAKER_13]: Louisiana.
[02:11:12.420 --> 02:11:14.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's certainly a revelation to me.
[02:11:14.260 --> 02:11:15.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's interesting.
[02:11:16.060 --> 02:11:20.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, if you call Louisiana Information and ask for the Ku Klux Klan, you'll get a phone number.
[02:11:20.780 --> 02:11:21.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's...
[02:11:21.600 --> 02:11:25.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: I guess I'm living in a world that doesn't exist yet.
[02:11:26.020 --> 02:11:26.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Thanks for telling me that.
[02:11:26.980 --> 02:11:27.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: That makes my day.
[02:11:28.140 --> 02:11:28.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, boy.
[02:11:29.060 --> 02:11:30.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: Ku Klux Klan in the phone book.
[02:11:30.300 --> 02:11:32.320]  [SPEAKER_12]: I guess that's true.
[02:11:33.160 --> 02:11:33.820]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, why not?
[02:11:34.720 --> 02:11:38.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Might as well make racism something official.
[02:11:38.760 --> 02:11:39.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[02:11:39.320 --> 02:11:39.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[02:11:40.080 --> 02:11:43.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: It was people like him that make unrest.
[02:11:45.900 --> 02:11:46.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: And God bless him.
[02:11:47.200 --> 02:11:47.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[02:11:47.940 --> 02:11:48.400]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[02:11:51.560 --> 02:11:54.910]  [SPEAKER_12]: That moment of silence was brought to you by that unknown person on the air.
[02:11:55.260 --> 02:11:55.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[02:11:55.910 --> 02:11:56.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[02:11:57.050 --> 02:11:57.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: Same person.
[02:11:58.370 --> 02:11:58.950]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[02:11:59.000 --> 02:11:59.520]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[02:12:00.000 --> 02:12:00.780]  [SPEAKER_12]: You fucking...
[02:12:02.560 --> 02:12:03.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: Good evening.
[02:12:03.280 --> 02:12:03.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're on the air.
[02:12:04.220 --> 02:12:04.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, hi, Emmanuel.
[02:12:05.100 --> 02:12:05.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: This is Bobby.
[02:12:05.950 --> 02:12:06.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: I called earlier.
[02:12:07.510 --> 02:12:15.460]  [SPEAKER_13]: This evening we were talking about 958 and numbers, and I figured I'd try to bring that back up because of all this garbage which is going on right now.
[02:12:15.560 --> 02:12:15.840]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[02:12:16.980 --> 02:12:17.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Go ahead.
[02:12:17.760 --> 02:12:20.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: And let me think of some interesting numbers that I've heard of.
[02:12:22.010 --> 02:12:25.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's 660-112, which makes the phone ring.
[02:12:26.470 --> 02:12:38.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: And instead, when you get the high-tone beep, you can dial 123-456-7890 and it will beep twice to you if your touch tones are working properly.
[02:12:38.790 --> 02:12:40.180]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, that's nice to hear.
[02:12:40.410 --> 02:12:44.720]  [SPEAKER_12]: You mean you enter touch tones and you'll get a nice little beep if you enter them all correctly?
[02:12:44.760 --> 02:12:45.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, the touch tones.
[02:12:45.560 --> 02:12:53.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: And if your tones are working properly, it'll beep twice to let you know that your tones are working properly.
[02:12:53.460 --> 02:12:54.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, that's wonderful.
[02:12:54.460 --> 02:12:55.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: Any other numbers?
[02:12:56.820 --> 02:12:57.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Um, no.
[02:12:58.340 --> 02:13:03.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, well, again, I'll give out a couple more numbers that we mentioned earlier, but thanks for filling us in, Bobby.
[02:13:03.950 --> 02:13:04.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[02:13:06.060 --> 02:13:15.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you want a listing through New York Telephone of the various teleconferences, you can call 550-INFO, 550-INFO.
[02:13:15.560 --> 02:13:16.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's a free call.
[02:13:16.660 --> 02:13:19.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: And nothing else in 550 is free, so that's the only one.
[02:13:19.830 --> 02:13:22.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: Unless you call a number that doesn't exist in 550, that will be free.
[02:13:23.590 --> 02:13:26.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: Also, 540-INFO and 970-INFO.
[02:13:27.090 --> 02:13:30.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: You'll need a touch tone phone, but you can get a listing of all the different services.
[02:13:30.580 --> 02:13:38.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you want a free hard copy paper listing, simply write to us here, Off the Hook, 505 8th Avenue.
[02:13:38.330 --> 02:13:44.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's Off the Hook, care of WBAI, 505 8th Avenue, New York, New York, 10018.
[02:13:44.980 --> 02:13:59.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: And as long as I'm giving out all the numbers and addresses and things like that, if you're interested in telecommunications and you're a phone freak or a computer hacker or you want to know what they're up to, you might want to check out 2600 Magazine or at least find out more about it.
[02:13:59.450 --> 02:14:04.580]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can call 516-751-2600 for more information on that.
[02:14:04.580 --> 02:14:22.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: And one final thing I'd like to bring up tonight, this book that just sort of was thrown at me almost literally a few days ago, called Tune In on Telephone Calls, written by Tom Nytel, also known as K2AES to all you hams out there.
[02:14:23.330 --> 02:14:26.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: What do people discuss over the phone when they think they have total privacy?
[02:14:27.660 --> 02:14:46.000]  [SPEAKER_12]: They argue, exchange personal and business secrets, plan felonies, make legal and illegal deals, buy stocks, make investments, wheel and deal, offer and accept bribes and kickbacks, get engaged and divorced, accuse one another of cheating, conduct lurid or illicit romances,
[02:14:46.540 --> 02:15:03.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: deal in drugs, brag, lie, get hired and fired, provide medical and legal advice, get into and out of jams, gripe about money woes, engage in highly charged family hassles, ridicule co-workers and neighbors, make indecent proposals, gossip and more.
[02:15:04.980 --> 02:15:13.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: These are tradespeople, members of the news media, politicians, hookers, executives, professional people, show business celebrities, criminals and your neighbors.
[02:15:14.180 --> 02:15:34.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: And few have even the foggiest notion that private telephone calls over car phones, cordless telephones, telephones, and many other modern telecommunications devices are broadcasting their conversations out over the airwaves, where they can be very easily overheard by anybody with a shortwave receiver or inexpensive police-type scanner receiver.
[02:15:34.960 --> 02:15:39.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: It takes no technical expertise nor complex equipment to tune in, to tune in...
[02:15:40.100 --> 02:15:41.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: That is a misprint for you.
[02:15:41.870 --> 02:15:43.700]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, let's erase one of those tune-ins.
[02:15:43.760 --> 02:15:52.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: It takes no technical expertise nor complex equipment to tune in on telephone calls, from homes, cars, ships, aircraft, offices, and even trains.
[02:15:54.330 --> 02:16:11.760]  [SPEAKER_12]: In fact, listening in has become a popular pastime, as well as a valuable tool for private investigators, law enforcement agencies, even folks with ulterior motives, despite virtually unenforceable legislation enacted to try and dissuade the public from eavesdropping on at least some of these open-book telephone calls.
[02:16:11.760 --> 02:16:22.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: And this book that I'm holding in my hand is about touch telephone calls and the discrete frequencies and channels they use that can be easily received on home and portable receivers.
[02:16:22.540 --> 02:16:27.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: It gives a complete listing of all kinds of frequencies and articles.
[02:16:28.040 --> 02:16:34.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: There's clippings about people listening in on cellular phone calls, pictures of radios that can do this kind of thing.
[02:16:35.020 --> 02:16:38.540]  [SPEAKER_12]: Very worthwhile, and I would suggest checking that out as well.
[02:16:38.660 --> 02:16:49.660]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can either pick up a copy of Popular Electronics or Electronics Illustrated, one of those magazines, or write to CRB Research Books Incorporated, P.O.
[02:16:49.700 --> 02:16:52.680]  [SPEAKER_12]: Box 56, Comac, New York, 11725.
[02:16:54.040 --> 02:16:58.440]  [SPEAKER_12]: The book is called Tune In on Telephone Calls, and I'll give that address one more time.
[02:16:58.540 --> 02:17:01.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: CRB Research Books Incorporated, P.O.
[02:17:01.380 --> 02:17:04.240]  [SPEAKER_12]: Box 56, Comac, New York, 11725.
[02:17:05.300 --> 02:17:20.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: And for the last time, I'll give out our address here at the radio station, Off the Hook, care of WBAI, that's 505 8th Avenue, New York, New York, 10018.
[02:17:21.120 --> 02:17:29.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: We've been talking about telephones and hackers and phone freaks and all kinds of technological marvels.
[02:17:30.640 --> 02:17:35.740]  [SPEAKER_12]: And it's been quite an experience, hopefully we'll be back again soon to talk about another aspect of it.
[02:17:35.830 --> 02:17:39.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: Tonight it was teleconferences, but there's so many things.
[02:17:39.280 --> 02:17:45.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: When you pick up that phone and you get one of these dial tone things, you know, you can do anything with that.
[02:17:46.720 --> 02:17:48.500]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, okay, we've got a couple of minutes here.
[02:17:48.660 --> 02:17:49.620]  [SPEAKER_12]: We've got a couple of minutes.
[02:17:51.060 --> 02:17:55.080]  [SPEAKER_12]: Except I can't seem to dial for some reason, I guess because I have this switch up there.
[02:17:55.260 --> 02:17:57.920]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, let me try to do this without having to switch up.
[02:18:00.020 --> 02:18:01.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: And, am I doing this correctly?
[02:18:02.700 --> 02:18:03.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, let's try it.
[02:18:05.660 --> 02:18:08.420]  [SPEAKER_12]: See, this is the thing, with telephones you can be real spontaneous.
[02:18:08.660 --> 02:18:09.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: It hung up on me.
[02:18:09.340 --> 02:18:10.460]  [SPEAKER_12]: The phone itself hung up on me.
[02:18:10.540 --> 02:18:11.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, we won't do it this show.
[02:18:11.620 --> 02:18:14.140]  [SPEAKER_12]: We won't have outgoing calls on this show.
[02:18:14.260 --> 02:18:19.800]  [SPEAKER_12]: But on a show that we do have outgoing calls, you'll see the power, the potential.
[02:18:20.680 --> 02:18:28.980]  [SPEAKER_12]: Last week, I, in a frenzy, I called South Korea just to see who would answer the phone at the Olympic Stadium.
[02:18:29.560 --> 02:18:33.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: I called a number in the Olympic Village and I had a nice conversation with somebody.
[02:18:33.520 --> 02:18:35.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: It sounded like I was talking to somebody down the street.
[02:18:37.850 --> 02:18:39.280]  [SPEAKER_12]: With telephones, you can do anything.
[02:18:39.280 --> 02:18:41.100]  [SPEAKER_12]: Of course, I'll be paying for that.
[02:18:41.240 --> 02:18:42.860]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's the disadvantage.
[02:18:43.020 --> 02:18:50.480]  [SPEAKER_12]: And that's what we were talking about here tonight, is the fact that communications are kept out of our hands by the cost factor.
[02:18:51.250 --> 02:18:52.880]  [SPEAKER_12]: Maybe that will change with time.
[02:18:54.560 --> 02:18:56.640]  [SPEAKER_12]: But it certainly will change with awareness.
[02:18:56.940 --> 02:19:12.300]  [SPEAKER_12]: And if we think of our phones as more than just a tool, more than just a way of getting through the boring day, we'll enrich our lives, we'll learn something, and in the end, who knows, we'll get something for it.
[02:19:15.590 --> 02:19:17.230]  [SPEAKER_12]: Besides horrible error tones.
[02:19:17.510 --> 02:19:18.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: My name's Emmanuel Goldstein.
[02:19:19.250 --> 02:19:22.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's been a lot of fun being here tonight, and hopefully we'll do it again soon.
[02:19:23.030 --> 02:19:23.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: Off the hook.
[02:19:25.130 --> 02:19:27.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: And this is WBAI in New York.
[02:19:28.430 --> 02:19:30.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: Stay tuned for Morning Dew.
[02:19:30.550 --> 02:19:31.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: Coming up.
[02:19:42.550 --> 02:19:45.430]  [SPEAKER_23]: The number you have reached has been disconnected.
[02:20:49.900 --> 02:20:52.720]  [SPEAKER_23]: The number you have reached has been disconnected.
[02:21:01.170 --> 02:21:03.510]  [SPEAKER_22]: Hello, this is Mr. Memory.
[02:21:03.850 --> 02:21:05.510]  [SPEAKER_22]: What have you forgotten today?
[02:21:05.790 --> 02:21:07.190]  [SPEAKER_22]: Let's take the first call.
[02:21:07.490 --> 02:21:11.510]  [SPEAKER_19]: Hello, Mr. Memory.
[02:21:11.910 --> 02:21:12.190]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.