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And we'll be asking the philosophical question, just how open-minded and tolerant are the American
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Some of the things you'll hear in the next hour and 15 minutes are things that maybe the
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It's WBAI New York.
You never know what you're going to hear next.
Watch the Jeep to start.
Watch the Jeep to start.
Don't run an eye on them, a reverse.
Stick it up.
Don't move a muscle.
Bang, bang, bang, bang.
Bang, bang, bang.
Bang, bang, bang.
Come on.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't like the bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Screw face people, they're my monkey sample.
Always walk and I make me your trouble.
But if you think you're built full, thick and cashy.
And you want your silk shirt well dirty.
Come on.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Hey, miss, are you with length and bigger foot?
Don't care what you're doing.
Take care of the road.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Hey, miss, are you with length and bigger foot?
Screw them face.
Them thick and cashy.
But if them want them silk shirt well dirty.
Come on.
This is your dance.
Come chop them body.
We know that we are top security.
Moving down the road just the other day.
My pabbyland come to me and what him say.
Hey.
Stick it up, don't move.
I muscle.
I ain't man no bad boy.
Me just a hustle.
I know my bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Hey.
Cast on my rock.
Cast on my plane.
But as we work.
So we get tricky.
We make hate.
While the sun shines.
Hey, bad boy.
Take the gun off your mind.
Because bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
School face people.
A monkey sample.
Always walk.
And I make people trouble.
For them stand up and set principle.
Them sight of police.
Vehicle.
Them run and them jump fence.
And some of them talk.
Bad business can go on in New York.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Hey, miss are you.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Mind what you doing.
Take care of the road.
Don't bite off more than you can afford.
Because bad boy M-16 load.
So just bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Bad boy style.
We don't want no bad boy style.
Hey, bad boy, you feel your ambition
Respect the soldier and the policeman
Don't even mention the civilian
Nurse, doctor, lawyer, Indian chief
Because bad boy style, I don't want no bad boy style
Bad boy style, I don't want no bad boy style
But if you're bad, we don't ramp
All the soldier, them, up a camp
Run your jump to Goli, Valley and Swamp
Anywhere you go, your body African
Can't take a look from the SLR
Because that they couldn't attribute you from far
And don't even mention the M-16
That we tear up your shoulder clean
Bad boy style, I don't want no bad boy style
Bad boy style, I don't want no bad boy style
Hey, Tony, you will click on Mr. Ford
Better take care of the road
Don't bite the port
This is your program, Moscow Mailbag
And once again, here is Joe Adamov to answer your questions
The first one is from Daniel Lula of Mahopak, New York
Why don't you have a report in one of your broadcasts
Dealing with the terrible slaughter of elderly handicapped Armenians
By Azerbaijani mobs
I remember in one of our main national news programs
We did have a report that some Armenian women
From a senior citizen's home were slaughtered
Well, you see, my personal opinion is that the question as to whom Nagorny-Karabakh
The disputed area should belong to
Could have been settled two years ago by our central government
Today, 85% of the population there are Armenians
And when Stalin unilaterally handed the enclave over to Azerbaijan
95% of the population were Armenians
The Soviet of the region, the supreme local government body
Voted unanimously to join Armenia
Now, the official stumbling block is that according to the constitution
They need the consent of Azerbaijan
Of course, Azerbaijan will never give its consent
We've amended the constitution many times
So, why not amend it one more time?
Incidentally, the Izvesti on September 12th
Published a dialogue between two women
An Azerbaijan woman teacher and an Armenian woman teacher
The Azerbaijan teacher quoted a case
When Armenian militants fired on a bus
And four people were killed and many wounded
And she repeated many times
That Armenia now has what she calls an army
Which will not lay down its arms
You see, to be quite fair
After the pogroms and murders of Armenians in Baku
Which is capital of Azerbaijan
No one has yet been tried and sentenced, as far as I know
Besides the tens of thousands of not only Armenian
But Russian refugees who were forced to flee from Baku
And now listen to what the Armenian teacher had to say
She's a refugee from Baku
On January 13th, her mother, father, and 90-year-old grandfather
Who's totally paralyzed, were slaughtered by a mob
When the earthquake shook Armenia
And the world reacted to help that little republic
A torchlight procession was held in Baku
To celebrate the event
The Armenian teacher's parents
Tried to hide the paralyzed granddad
In a neighbor's apartment
A woman appeared in the house opposite
And screamed to the mob
Here they are, trying to hide
Kill them
And the mob did just that
When the Armenians in Baku
Appealed to the Soviet soldiers
This is all in the same article
For help, they said
We have orders not to interfere
In conclusion, the Armenian teacher said
She will always remember
An Azerbaijani woman in the crowd
Who raised four fingers
Saying she has four sons
And she will sacrifice them all
So that all the damned infidels
Meaning the Armenians should be killed
Yes, of course
The Armenians are Christian
The Azerbaijans are Muslim
But there's absolutely no reason
Why the problem cannot be solved peacefully
It's still not too late
A question from David Callender
Of Richmond, Kentucky
What do you think of the sentence
Do unto others as you would have done unto you?
I think it's a very good quotation
It's from the Sermon on the Mount
If I remember correctly
The Gospel of Matthew
The quotation could be applied
To those who engage in violence
Anywhere in the world
Including Hussein's aggression against Kuwait
I'll quote some more
From the Gospel of Matthew
Blessed are the peacemakers
For they shall be called the sons of God
This applies, in my opinion
To the Security Council
Or, blessed are those
Who are persecuted for righteousness' sake
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven
I think this applies excellently
To Andrei Sakharov
Our staunch fighter for human rights
Or, thou shalt not kill
And whoever kills
Shall be liable to judgment
Next, a couple of questions
From George Vieira
New York, New York
Exactly what part of the USSR
Is called Russia?
It's the biggest of the 15 republics
Stretching all the way
From the Pacific
To the Baltic
It's about 5,500 miles long
Its population is 147 million
Which is about
Half the population of the whole country
83% of the people living in Russia
Are Russians
Russia, incidentally
Has declared its sovereignty
But what is interesting
Is that even on Russian territory proper
There are very many nationalities
Writers in Russia proper
Write in 50 different languages
Its parliament
If you read your papers daily
Is headed by Boris Yeltsin
Who's noted for his progressive stand
To reform our economy
George asks
How much is the Russian ruble
Compared with the U.S. dollar?
A ruble is $1.80
According to the latest rate of exchange
Or if you work it the other way around
$1 is 56 kopecks
But according to the rate
Which tourists get
They get 6 rubles per dollar
Now on the black market
A dollar is worth
They say 20 rubles and more
You see it depends
What commodity you compare it to
Now if a dollar is 20 rubles
That means I pay 90 cents a month
For three rooms and a kitchen
In the way of rent
But if you take say
The cost of a business computer
Here and in the United States
Well the black market rate
Then makes sense
Or I'll give you another example
Take an average pair of shoes
Here in the Soviet Union
If you can get one
60 rubles
Does that mean that it costs $3?
So you see
It's not that easy
Christopher Tabor
Of Kensington, Connecticut
Is there any concern
In the Soviet government
About the rising fundamentalism
Spreading into the Muslim areas
Of the Soviet Union
You know I'd say
There's a general upsurge
Of religion
Religion in general
Both Christian and Muslim
In Uzbekistan
In Central Asia
In the past two years
300 new mosques
Have been opened
Or take another Muslim republic
Dagestan
That's in the Caucasus
Until last year
They had 17 mosques
Today there are 137
A prestigious magazine here
Carried an article
Which said
That at the root
Of some of the pogroms
And violence
Are terrorists
Who are against perestroika
In other words
They're against our
Economic reforms
And the magazine wrote
That sometimes
Anti-Sovietism
Is camouflaged
As a religious action
I think it's safe
To say that
Islam today
Has become
No less
A political movement
Than a religion
The basis
Of Islamic fundamentalism
Is that they want
Islamic religious leaders
To run
The various countries
Like in Iran
For instance
That is
What's at the root
Of fundamentalism
Christopher asks
Is there a feeling
That the Soviet
Central Asian republics
May press for freedom
From the Union
Just like Lithuania did
Well the only two
Muslim republics
That have declared
Their sovereignty
Are Uzbekistan
And Azerbaijan
Uzbekistan declared
That the laws
Passed by the
National parliament
In Moscow
Are not valid
Unless they're ratified
By the Uzbek parliament
But there is no talk
About their
Having their own army
Their own customs
That is
You know
Border customs
Currency and so on
As some republics
Have declared
And yes
I know there are
Forces in Azerbaijan
Who want to CC
There are
But you see
To declare independence
For instance
In Uzbekistan
Is to a very great extent
A utopia
You may ask why
Because
They have no
Economic independence
They just wouldn't
Be able to stand
On their feet
They must first raise
Their national incomes
And they must raise
Their living standards
And only then
Can they talk about
Actual independence
And sovereignty
Paul Blanchard
Of Rochester, New York
Says
The Soviet cosmonauts
On the space station
Mir
Have been heard
Using amateur radio
To communicate
With hams
All over the world
And asks
What frequencies
And how much power
Output
Do they use
You see
At present
The space station
Mir
Is not
Contacting amateurs
When they had
Three men on board
They could spare
Some time for this
But not now
When there are only
Two men on board
You see
What frequencies
144 to 146 megahertz
In the two meter
Amateur band
Their power
From 200 to 250 watts
Incidentally
They had tens of
Thousands of QSOs
They may resume
This activity
But for the time being
They're not doing it
I'm afraid
They're just a bit
Too busy
Paul is also
Interested
How high up
Is the space station
Mir
And how long
Does it take
To complete
One orbit
You see
The orbit
Is slightly elongated
So the average
Distance from the earth
Is roughly
256 miles
Ricky Watermolin
Orlando, Florida
Asks
Do you have
Any rock groups
If so
Could you name some
Well there are so many
Really that it's
Even hard to think
Of them all
There are thousands
Of them
Flip on any television
Channel in Moscow
And you hear rock
Too much of it
For my taste
But many like it
So there it goes
You want me to name some
Well
I don't know whether
I'm naming the best ones
But those I can remember
There was a festival
Here last year
There were such groups
As Nuance
Brigada S
Gorky Park
We had festival groups
From federal Germany
The United States
The Soviet Union
And England
And they all sang
The famous
Beatles song
Back in the USSR
Well what other groups
Can I mention
I remember the
Time Machine
Resurrection
Myths
That's from Leningrad
Or Cement
From Riga
And today we hold
Monthly rock festivals
Rock concerts
Rock contests
What have you
But if you want to
Listen to some
Soviet rock
Listen to our
Regular program
Called Vasili's Weekend
It is a rock show
Once again
David Callender
From Richmond, Kentucky
Who asks
How does the USSR
Feel toward Glasnost?
You know
Most people in
Opinion polls
Vote for Glasnost
Or openness
Some say
There's too much
Criticism
There's a tendency
To criticize
Everything and
Anything
From Mr. Gorbachev
To the district
Administration
From foreign
Policy
To home policy
From lack of
Goods in the
Stores
To growth of
Crime
My opinion
Is that
Any civilized
Society
Can exist
Only
If it enjoys
Freedom of expression
Of course
Freedom of expression
Is only one
Pillar of a
Free society
At least
We've attained
That
I've mentioned
Before
That among
The most
Popular shows
On television
Are the live
Telecasts
Of the goings-on
In our parliament
You know
I catch myself
Watching these shows
You see the extreme
Lefty extreme
Right
The progressives
The old guard
Some are very smart
And very to the point
Others
Are not worthy
Of a speech
In parliament
In my opinion
We've got to learn
You know
The ethics
Of parliamentary
Debates
And parliamentary
Behavior
But to a certain
Degree I think
It's understandable
Because our
Parliament is only
In its infancy
You know
Speaking of openness
Open any
Soviet paper
And if a man
Only five years ago
If he'd heard
What's written
In our papers today
Would have said
One word
Wow
How do you feel
About friendlier
Relations with
The United States
Asks David
Well how can we feel
We can only
Welcome them
I think it does
One good to see
The two most
Powerful nations
Standing side by side
In the United Nations
It's nice to hear
Support from Mr. Bush
It's good to know
That the Cold War
Is already past history
And that there's
More trust between us
But of course
Let's be sane
We both face
Many world problems
I guess the biggest
One today
Is the Persian Gulf
And though the
Chance of a nuclear
War between us
Two is nil
That is between
The two largest
Powers
Who knows where
It might erupt
So we've got to
Work together
To avert this
Naturally we have
Other problems too
The problem of
Economic ties
Between our two
Countries
Poverty in the world
Ecology and much more
And last but not least
Valerie Scott
Of Oakland, California
Who writes
I'm a writer
And a mother
My children and I
Enjoy your programs
Very much
My younger son
James
Wants more than anything
To visit the USSR
Someday
He loves the music
And the culture
Well thank you
Mrs. Scott
I don't know
How old James is
But generally speaking
Coming here is no problem
The only thing you need
Is the money
I'm sure
That you and he
Will visit us someday
And see the wonderful
Sites that this country
Has to offer
I don't want to sound
Like a commercial
But do come
And I think the biggest
Impression that you'll get
Is not only from the music
And the culture
And the wonderful museums
And historic sites
But the people
That you'll be able
To meet every single day
And finally
Let's have the
Wrap up joke Joe
The wrap up joke
Well you know
Our port of Odessa
On the Black Sea
Is notorious
For its satire
And humor
After a lecture
In Odessa
Entitled
Is there life
On Mars
The chairman asked
If there were any
Questions to the lecturer
A man in the audience
Gets up and says
When will we have
Life here in Odessa
That was Joe Adamov
Answering your questions
On Moscow Mailbag
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A reminder that
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Every Saturday
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And Wednesday
Now world tight girls
Love it or like life
Right
Chiriby
Chiriby
Bones
King
Hey
Chiriby
Bones
King
Hey
Chiriby
Bones
Chiriby
Bones
King
Chiriby
Bones
Chiriby
Bones
We call it New York
Life
We call it New York
Life
New York
Life
We call it New York
Life
Oh no
We live in a Jamaica
We can watch
And we tatina
We could not take
The agarani
Can we say
Neither pressure
Oh no
We get a passport
And we get a visa
Oh no
We take American
Eulina
Oh no
We play
It live up
Over the water
Oh no
We flip up
Second
Long
And we sell
America
Oh no
Oh
Meet me
With the big
Producer
Oh no
We enjoy
Me in a
Benzon
Acton
Maxima
Now
Oh we
Oh we
My baby
Oh we
Oh we
My baby
Oh we
Oh we
My baby
Won't you play
Some more
Reggae music
For me
No
In a New York
You walk not
Puerto Rican
You walk not
Trinity
No for Cuba
No for Biberian
Home
But in a season
For all
Of the Jamaican
Them
John
The best
The Maxima
And the
Back
Boy
I got
Oh we
Oh we
My baby
Oh we
Oh we
My baby
Oh we
Oh we
My baby
Won't you
Play some more
Don't get music
For me
And of your
Not that
I'm to
By way
And the
DJ
That day
Oh no
Me sit
On
From the
With him
Sit
On
Work properly
And of
Because
In a
Dance
And
Them
I said
Me
You're
The king
Them
I said
That
I'm
By
Where
You're
The
Right
In
The
Rhythm
Now
Me
Sit
On
From
The
Rhythm
Like
Alisa
Tana
Limp
Everybody
Them
Say
Me
You're
The
DJ
That's
Tonto
Irie
Here
One of the
Original rockers
And you're
Listening to
WBAI
In New York
Where we've
Just heard
The latest
Edition of
Moscow
Mailbag
And you know
Even here
In the
Hallowed halls
Of Pacifica
Radio
In New York
You get a
Strange look
When you tell
People that
You're
Going to be
Playing programs
From Moscow
You know
It just
It seems
Like something
Strange
Something unusual
Something almost
Dangerous
And that's
That's kind of
How people view
Lots of outside
Things
But it's sort of
Like what
Joe Adamoff
Was just
Saying
Once you
Get to
Know the
People
That's the
Difference
Once you
Get to
Realize that
People all
Over
Laugh
Cry
Do all
That kind
Of stuff
It's
Quite a
Revelation
What we're
Asking here
In this
Next
52 minutes
Or however
Much time
We have
Left
Is
How much
We've
Advanced
In the
Past
Couple of
Years
Couple of
Decades
We've
Got
All kinds
Of
Decisions
Coming out
Of
Courtrooms
That seem
To affirm
The first
Amendment
That seem
To stand
Up for
Freedom of
Speech
Diversity
Differences
In sounds
Differences
In opinions
And ideas
But at the
Same time
There's
This movement
To shut
Us all
Up
To censor
To confine
Ideas
Ideas
That are
Dangerous
Some people
Think reggae
Music is
Dangerous
Some people
Think tapes
From the
Soviet Union
Are dangerous
What do you
Think of
Let's say
For instance
A song
That advocates
Drug use
Well this song
Does
Make sure
There aren't
Any kids
Listening to
This
You never
Know what
Might
Happen
Is
Loving
No
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
La
Marijuana
Is
The
Healing
Of
Nations
It's
Good
For
Your
Health
And
Meditation
Marijuana
Keeps
My
Family
At
Home
So
Joyful
And
When
Money
Leaves
Them
Down
And
So
Depressed
And
On
Air
Legalize
Carrier
Legalize
Marijuana
Legalize
Marijuana
Legalize
Marijuana
Legalize
Marijuana
Legalize
Marijuana
Put it in a
Eat on
Paper
Put it in a
Eat on
Paper
Marijuana
Money
들어가
Marijuana
Santos
Ap
Marijuana
Program
Down
Weless
Under
So joyful and happy
And Molly leaves them down
And so pressed on don't have
Legalize all the air
Legalize the marijuana
Legalize all the air
Legalize marijuana
Legalize all the air
Put it to the end of the day
Put it to the end of the day
guitar solo
Well, I sure hope Jesse gets a copy of that song somehow.
Jesse Helms, that is.
He has a lot of concern these days over what is in music and what is in art
and what people are being exposed to.
But I think the common denominator, the thing that comes out of all this
is that people are free to choose for themselves.
Why are other people so afraid of that?
It's hard to understand.
Checking the outcome, which happened on Saturday of the 2 Live Crew trial.
An article from the New York Times this past Monday.
As his trial opened in Fort Lauderdale last week,
Luther Campbell, the 29-year-old leader of the rap music group 2 Live Crew,
was anticipating a clash of cultures.
He said he thought the six jurors, who included three women over age 60
and only one black person, might be too old, too white, and too middle class.
To understand his raunchy music.
Yeah, that'd be a good name for a rap record, wouldn't it?
Too old, too white, too middle class.
I like it.
Anyway, the rapper from Miami apparently misjudged the Broward County jurors,
who quickly acquitted Mr. Campbell and two other band members of obscenity charges on Saturday.
Anyway, he stereotyped us just as certain people were stereotyping him because of his performance,
said David Garso, the 24-year-old jury foreman who works as an office clerk
and sings in the choir at the Key Biscayne Presbyterian Church.
We were very open.
Indeed, the jurors said they saw artistic merit in the rap music,
to the point that some of them were trying their own rap lyrics on trips to and from the courtroom.
They found much amusement in the trial, too,
especially in the prosecution's bungled tape recording of the band's performance.
The recording was so bad that one of the prosecutors said that after he heard it,
he regarded the trial as a suicide mission.
Explaining the verdict, Mr. Garso said the jurors had accepted
much of the testimony of Henry Louis Gates, Jr.,
an American literature professor at Duke University,
who testified that the group's lewd lyrics were meant as parody.
We agreed with what he said about this being like Archie Bunker making fun of racism,
the jury foreman said,
but Gates was saying that in order to understand the lyrics,
you had to be young and black, and we didn't buy that.
Mr. Garso is white and was the youngest juror.
If anything, he said,
the oldest members of the jury were the most liberal and the most adamant
in insisting that the band members should have the freedom to express themselves.
Makes you kind of feel good, doesn't it?
The oldest ones were the most adamant in that.
The jury was sequestered during the trial,
and Mr. Garso said that on the way to the hotel each night,
Susan Van Hemmert,
a 42-year-old assistant middle school principal,
would improvise rap songs.
She said,
I thought it would have been cute if we could have come out with a verdict
like we were doing a rap song.
Yeah.
While Mrs. Van Hemmert and the other jurors said they laughed at the two live crew's lyrics,
and at the prosecution's continued playing of the garbled tape of the performance
that was the only evidence against the band,
they said they took seriously the issue of freedom of speech underlying the case.
The senior member of the jury, 76-year-old Helena Bailey,
said she had admired what another juror, 65-year-old Beverly Resnick,
said in their deliberations.
She said, and it's something we say here in BAI all the time,
you take away one freedom,
and pretty soon they're all gone.
Deputies from the Broward County Sheriff's Office had arrested Mr. Campbell
and two other band members, Mark Ross and Chris Wong-Wong,
on June 10th after a show at a nightclub in Hollywood, Florida.
They had performed four songs from their album,
As Nasty As They Want To Be,
which a federal judge had declared obscene.
By the way, there are a couple of songs on there you can play on the radio,
and I would have brought it in,
except I left it on the front seat of my car and someone broke in and stole it.
Either somebody interested in knowing more about the band,
or a member of the Thought Police, who knows.
Anyway, while the recording of the actual performance was garbled,
the jurors did have an opportunity to hear
four songs played straight from the album in stereo.
It had no impact, Mrs. Resnick said.
Those were their songs.
They were doing their poetry in song.
Lyrics to many songs on the album
consist almost solely of relentlessly coarse accounts
of the singer's lusts and sexual adventures.
Typically, the singer brags about the physical power of his penis,
refers to a woman in terms of her genitalia,
and commands the woman,
usually addressed as bitch,
to gratify his various sexual desires.
And two weeks ago, another Broward County jury
convicted a Fort Lauderdale record store owner
of obscenity charges for selling the album.
So we have a bit of a contradiction.
And that's Black Slate fading off into the distance there
with their song, Legalize Kali Herb.
And we're sort of delving into things tonight
that might upset people, you know,
but not stepping over lines that have been drawn in the sand
for many, many years now.
We're talking about ideas.
We're talking about things that have always been held
as something precious in this country,
something which for some reason is being targeted
as fair game,
something that can be controlled, manipulated, and censored.
And I find that the average person in the street,
with people like the Broward County jury, for instance,
they understand the importance of freedom of speech
and not to have censorship
and to allow people to choose for themselves.
But the people that cannot understand it
are the ones that are in power.
Why is that?
Does anybody know?
I'd sure like to know.
Our telephone number here is 279-3400.
Area code 212.
We'll be taking calls in a few minutes
on this subject and related subjects, too.
For some reason, though,
almost every kind of music at some point is targeted.
Remember back in the 60s, it was rock and roll.
Actually, back in the 50s, rock and roll was the great evil.
Today we have death metal speed thrash music.
That's instruments of devil worship as well.
Hardcore music.
And, of course, rap.
Why are people so scared of rap?
I don't know.
And back when this came out, it created a controversy.
And now it's looked upon as plain old wimpy.
No offense, Grandmaster Flash
and some lyrics that really do mean something.
Again, our telephone number, 279-3400.
Give us a call.
New York, New York, big city of dreams
That everything in New York ain't always what it seems
You might get fooled if you come from out of town
But I'm down by lawn
I know my way around
Too much
Too many people
Too much
Too much
Too many people
Too much
Too much
Too much
New York, New York
New York, big city of dreams
But everything in New York ain't always what it seems
You might get fooled if you come from out of town
But I'm down by lawn
I know my way around
Down in the village
You might think I'm silly
But you can't tell the women from the men sometimes
There's sugar and spice
And everything nice
But when you get them home
Ain't no telling what you find
Right next door is a little old man
I seen him eating dog food out of a can
He says I got to eat when I can't afford meat
I barely can stand on my own two feet
I got a bad habit and I just can't break it
Something's on my mind and I just can't shake it
I need some time and I want some space
I gotta get away from the human race
Too much
Too many people
Too much
Too much
Too many people
Too much
All right
Stand at the sky
Swipping, reaching into heaven
When over in the ghetto
I'm living in hell
Just play ball or be an entertainer
Cause niggas like me
Can't read too well
Nobody loves me
Nobody cares
I dream about a life
But I'm living in a nightmare
Paranoids get so
Sat back, snowbound, bad, loose, psycho
Heart attack, breakdown
If only I could sleep just ten more minutes
I might find the strength to make another day
If I didn't have to get up and do my thing
I would probably sleep my whole life away
I messed up an ice cream
Something about ice cream
Whip cream, fruits and a cherry on top
Now I gotta get up and face the world
The pressure is on
It ain't never gonna stop
I sure gotta learn to use my mind
I don't wanna be kissing nobody's behind
Just standing on a line
Looking like a jerk
Gotta get off my butt and do a full day's work
I ran into a pothole
Got into a car crash
Should've been thinking to try to fake
Whiplash a crowd gathered round
They're calling me fat
Who you looking at with a face like that
New York, New York, big city of jeans
Everything in New York ain't always what it seems
You might get fooled if you come from out of town
But I'm down by lawn
I know my way around
On 42nd Street looking for some action
Women standing on the corner selling satisfaction
One young punk just leaning on the fence
Trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents
Really is a prankster
Try to be a gangster
Real big wheel when a gun is in his hand
Just to the stick up
Just got picked up
One dead punk killed by the man
New York, New York, big city of dreams
And everything in New York ain't always what it seems
You might get fooled if you come from out of town
But I'm down by lawn
I know my way around
Too much
Too many people
Too much
Too much
Too many people
Too much
A baby cries and a mother dies
And the tears fall from the doctor's eyes
Because in this room
On this day
The good Lord has given and taketh away
The gift of life really means a lot
And in the ghetto your life is all you got
So you take to the streets
Trying to exist in the trash and slime of a world like this
What you watch on TV
Tells you what life is supposed to be
But when you look outside
The only thing you see
Is the poverty stricken reality
Abandoned places
Angry faces
Much hate and hunger
Throughout the races
You say I'm grown and I'm on my own
So why don't everybody just leave me alone
Now you stay at home
Talking on the phone
Doing 90 miles an hour
In the 50 mile zone
They never took the time to tell you about sex
So you had to learn about it in a disco text
Nine months later
The baby is there
And the nigga that did it said
I don't care
You don't have enough money to help me too
So you have to choose between the baby and you
The sky was crying
Rain and hell
When you put your baby in the garbage pail
Then you kissed the kid
And put down the lid
And you tried to forget what you just did
The muffled screams of a dying baby
Was enough to drive the young mother crazy
So she ran in the rain
Trying to ease the pain
And she drove herself insane
New York, New York
Big city of dreams
But everything in New York
Ain't always what it seems
You might get fooled
If you come from out of town
But I'm down by law
And I know my way around
Too much
Too many people
Too much
Too much
Too many people
Too
New York, New York
Big city of dreams
But everything in New York
Ain't always what it seems
Hey Slip
Hey Slip
Do you know your words
Sugarhill Records
Hey man, that's in Jersey
Come here man
What's up
Hey man, watch out
Hey man, watch out
New York, New York
Big city of dreams
But everything in New York
Ain't always what it seems
You might get fooled
If you come from out of town
But I'm down by law
And I know my way around
Too much
Too many people
Too much
Ha ha ha ha
Too much
Too many people
Too much
Grandmaster Flash
And a song
Straight from the heart
New York, New York
I remember when that came out
It must have been
Early 80s
I don't know
People heard it
And they said
Wow, how can you play
That kind of stuff?
It's so controversial
I mean, the things he's saying
Are so
Oh, I couldn't even come up
With a word for it
And that's exactly why
You have to play things like this
Exactly why you've got to
Reach out there
And try to
Toggle people's emotions
Make them wake up
And see what's right in front of them
If you just
Go around listening to light radio
All the time
You're never really going to think
A single thought in your life
279-3400
We're going to go to the phones
In just one minute
Literally one minute
But first
I have to ask you
A very important question here
How many other radio stations
Do you know
That would play
A Charles Manson song
On the air?
Okay, if you haven't been
Affected by anything yet
That we've done here tonight
Perhaps playing
A Charles Manson song
Is
The thing that will move you
To actually realize
That there's
So much controversy
Out there in the music land
And
Virtually anything
That you can do
Now this is not
Charles Manson singing
Okay, we could not get that
Unfortunately
This
This
Is a gentleman
Known as
Crispin Healy and Glover
You might know him
As the father
In Back to the Future
And
He's since
Gone completely insane
And put out this record
Charles Manson song here
And then we'll go to the phones
All is
All is
All is
Forever
Is
One
Is
One
Is
One
Inside
Yourself
Or
Your father
All is
Love
All is
None
None
Is
One
Kindly
Fall back
From
Behind
You
The
Illusion
Has
Been
Just
A
Dream
The
Valley
Of
Death
Cannot
Find
You
Now
Is
When
On
The
Sun
Shine
Be
So
I
All
Of
Your
Reflections
For
There
I
Will
Surely
Be
No
Hold
In
Fear
Of
Hunger
You
Can't
See
You
Can't
See
You
Can't
See
Oh
yes
Quite
A
Moving
Moving
Rendition
There
Never
Say
Never
To
Always
From
Crispin
Healy and
Glover
Written by
Charles
Manson
And
Rounding out
Our
Musical
Selections
There
For
The
Moment
Anyway
Things
That
You'll
Never
Hear
On
Other
Radio
Stations
That's
That's
For
Gosh
Darn
Sure
212
279
3400
We have
One
Open
Line
And
We'll
Go
To
The
Phone
As
Soon
As
I
Tell
You
This
One
Thing
That
The
Prosecution
And
The
Two
Live
Crew
Said
That
I
Thought
Was
Rather
Revealing
They
Were
Talking
About
Various
Jurors
And
Well
The
Prosecution
Said
They
Wanted
To
Strike
The
Whole
Panel
We
Knew
We
Were
Going
To
Have
Problems
They
Were
Particularly
Worried
About
The
Person
We
Quoted
From
Earlier
Mrs.
Bailey
She's
The
She
Wasn't
The
One
That
Wanted
To
Give
The
The
Rendition
Or
The
Verdict
In
Rap
She
Wanted
To
She
Was
The
Oldest
One
She
Was
Admiring
What
Other
People
Were
Saying
But
She
Didn't
Really
Say
Anything
Herself
But
The
Prosecution
Was
Particularly
Worried
With
Her
She
Hated
Me
The
Prosecutor
Said
I
Could
Just
Feel
It
A
Sociologist
And
I
Don't
Like
Sociologists
They
Try
To
Reason
Things
Out
Too
Much
Now
You
Gotta
Wonder
You
Know
This
Person
Is
Prosecuting
A
Case
He
Thinks
I
Imagine
He
Thinks
That
The
Person
He
Is
Prosecuting
Is
Guilty
So
When
Someone
Is
Worried
That
Someone
Is
Going
To
Reason
Things
Out
Too
Much
You
Have
To
Wonder
Why
Are
They
Afraid
If
Somebody
Reasons
Things
They
Want
People
There
That
Are
Going
To
Say
Okay
You
Know
We'll
Do
Whatever
You
Say
And
We're
Not
Going
To
Think
About
Why
That's
That's
What I
Think
It
Boils
Down
To
The
Defense
On
The
Other
Hand
Was
Delighted
To
Have
Mrs.
Bailey
On
The
Jury
Mrs.
Bailey
Went
To
Radcliffe
She
Was
A
Member
Of
The
Class
Of
1936
The
Defense
Said
That
Means
She's
A
Groundbreaker
To
Begin
With
She's
An
Unusual
Woman
So
I
Think
That
Sums
Up
Where
That
Whole
Case
Was
Going
In
The
First
Place
And
You
Know
I
Was
Watching
I
Don't
Or
Watch
This
Program
But
Saturday
Night
Live
Last
Week
And
They
Mentioned
It
You
They
Mentioned
The
Fact
That
Two
Live
Crew
Had
Been
Found
Not
Guilty
And
Of
Course
The
Crowd
Erupted
In
Cheers
But
The
Person
Giving
The
Saturday
Night
Newscast
Said
Yeah
Yeah
I
Know
Wouldn't
It
Be
Better
Though
I
Mean
Their
Album
Is
Really
Terrible
Wouldn't
It
Have
Been
Better
To
Go
To
To
Go
To
This
Battle
With
Hendrix
Or
Eric
Clapton
Or
Somebody
Like
That
And
He
Just
You
Very
Well
Could
Have
Gone
There
With
Jimi
Hendrix
Or
The
Beatles
Or
The
Rolling
Stones
Sympathy
For
The
Devil
Or
Anything
Else
Because
Once
You
Start
Banning
Music
For
All
These
Various
Reasons
Because
Of
The
Things
That
Are
Said
On
The
Records
You're
Opening
Yourself
Up
To
A
Whole
Lot
Of
Unpleasant
Prospects
Okay
Enough
Preaching
Here
279
3400
Good
Morning
Let
Let
Me
Get
My
Radio
Okay
Actually
I
Wanted
To
Talk
To
You
Off
The
Air
But
As
We're
On
The
Air
You
Are
On
The
Air
So
You'll
Have
To
Talk
To
Me
On
The
Air
That's
Okay
It
Caught
My
Ear
You
Were
Broadcasting
That
Radio
Moscow
Tape
Right
The
Shuttle
Mission
That
Was
Delayed
The
STS
35
Mission
Is
Supposed
To
Have
A
SARAX
On
It
Which
Is
Shuttle
Amateur
Radio
Experiment
That's
Due
To
Go
Off
I
Believe
Sometime
In
November
So
It'll
Probably
Be
Launched
Sometime
Next
Year
Knowing
NASA
I
Know
It's
Been
You
Know
It
Was
Originally
Supposed
To
Go
Off
I
Believe
Back
In
September
But
It
Keeps
On
Getting
Delayed
Do
You
Know
Frequencies
Or
Anything
Like
That
Not
Off
The
Top
Of
My
Head
I
Could
Probably
Get
Them
And
That
Was
One
Of
The
Reasons
Why
I
Wanted
To
Call
You
And
Talk
To
You
Off
The
Air
But
The
Other
The
Mir
In
In
Order
To
Contact
The
Mir
Their
Space
Station
You
Do
Need
They
Made
It
Sound
Pretty
Easy
But
It's
Really
Not
All
That
Easy
Well
I
Don't
Know
How
You
Would
Get
A
QSL
Up
There
I
Don't
Even
Know
What
The
Address
Is
Of
Mir
Space
Station
It's
A
Good
Question
Just
To
Get
A
QSL
From
A
Regular
Ham
From
What
I've
Heard
From
Regular
Ham
In
Russia
And
Another
Thing
On
Ham
It's
Interesting
I
Just
Happened
To
Glance
Up
At
My
Calendar
Here
And
I
Noticed
That
There's
An
Interesting
Anniversary
Coming
Up
On
November
2nd
November
2nd
1920
Was
The
First
Continuous
Radio
Broadcast
From
Station
8KX
In
Pittsburgh
Pennsylvania
Soon
To
K-D-K-A
Is
That
It
Howdy
You
Got
It
All
Right
Got
It
And
He
Stayed
Up
All
Night
Reporting
The
Results
Of
The
Harding
Cox
Election
This
One
Guy
Stayed
Up
All
Night
Doing
That
Yeah
Yeah
Was
Anybody
Listening
I
Wonder
I
Don't
Know
Probably
Not
Too
Many
People
Back
Then
Why
I
Mean
Why
Would
They
Have
A
Radio
If
There
Weren't
Any
Radio
Stations
On
Actually
There
Were
A
Lot
Of
Telegraph
Was
A
Mode
Of
Communication
Back
Then
Especially
With
Ships
And
The
Like
And
But
They
Don't
Say
If
This
Was
And
I
Don't
Really
Know
If
8
KX
Would
Have
Been
A
Commercial
Station
Or
An
Amateur
Station
Actually
But
Yeah
KDKA
Is
The
Call
Letters
That
They
Changed
To
So
I
Guess
Maybe
It
Was
A
Commercial
Station
Commercial
Telegraphy
Whatever
Was
Real
Popular
Going
Way
Back
And
That
Is
Basically
How
Ships
Communicated
Back
Then
And
There's
There's
There's
Been
A
Few
Different
There's
Been
A
Discussion
Among
Some
Friends
Of
Mine
About
Where
The
Origins
Of
Ham
Came
From
And
One
One
Train
Of
Thought
Says
That
It's
Because
H
H
H
Ham
Were
The
Initial
Of
An
Operator
I
Believe
Or
Possibly
It
Might
Stand
For
Harvard
Amateur
Radio
Club
They
Were
One
Of
The
First
Amateur
Radio
Groups
Out
There
And
So
H
AM
Might
Have
Something
To
Do
With
Them
Another
And
The
More
General
Consensus
Is
That
It
Means
Ham
Fist
Or
That
It
Comes
From
Ham
Fist
Where
The
Commercial
Operators
All
Felt
That
The
Amateur
Operators
Were
All
Ham
Fisted
On
Their
Telegraph
Keys
And
Their
Morse
Code
Sending
Let
Let
Let
Let
Just
Try
To
Steer
Us
A
Little
Bit
Closer
To
What
We
We're
Talking
About
On
The
Show
Tonight
You
Heard
The
Radio
Moscow
Broadcast
It's
Not
The
Kind
Of
Thing
You
Or
Hear
On
The
Radio
But
I
Imagine
You
Probably
Heard
It
Before
On
Shortwave
Correct
Yeah
Do
You
Think
People
Will
Benefit
From
Hearing
Something
Like
That
More
Frequently
On
American
Airways
Yeah
Personally
I
Personally
Enjoy
I've
Always
Enjoy
Listening
To
Shortwave
Radio
Except
For
The
Fact
That
The
Reception
Is
Usually
Terrible
And
You
Get
A
Headache
Listening
To
It
Well
Yes
And
No
I
Don't
Know
I
Guess
I
Might
Be
I
Must
Be
Lucky
Because
I
Live
Out
Here
New
Jersey
So
And
It's
Really
Not
That
I
I
Mean
Especially
Like
Well
Radio
Moscow
They
Have
Transmitters
In
Canada
I
Mean
So
So
Their
Signal
Comes
In
Do
They
Really
Have
Transmitters
In
Canada
I
Wasn't
Aware
Of
That
They
Have
Like
Relay
Stations
I
Know
BBC
Has
Transmitters
Up
There
But
I
figured
Transmitters
In
Going
On
In
Shortwave
Radio
Is
That
There
Is
No
More
Radio
Berlin
International
Yeah
Well
You
Know
I
Visited
Them
When
I
Went
To
East
Berlin
And
You
Know
I
Finally
Found
Them
But
What
Happened
It
It's
Been
Absorbed
By
Deutsche
Well
That's
Too
Bad
You
Know
I
Figured
Two
Stations
Would
Be
Nice
To
Have
You
Know
It
Is
Because
Everybody
The
Deutsche
Well
Is
Is
More
Like
Straight
Line
Stance
On
Everything
And
Radio
Berlin
International
Always
Had
A
Little
More
Of
A
Tangent
Approach
To
Topics
When
You
Could
Get
Them
I
Always
Had
Trouble
Receiving
Them
They're
Stations
Like
Those
Now
Deutsche
Velle
Is
A
Major
Broadcaster
Again
There's
Stations
Like
Radio
Moscow
BBC
Radio
Netherlands
Deutsche
Velle
Well
I
Won't
Say
Radio
Cuba
But
Those
Four
Broadcasters
They're
Really
Not
That
Hard
To
Get
I
Mean
It
Does
Take
A
Little
Patient
You
Know
But
You
Should
Be
Able
To
Especially
The
Key
Is
Having
The
Schedule
Is
Getting
A
World
Radio
TV
Handbook
Which
Is
Available
At
Most
Bookstores
And
Getting
The
Schedule
Their
English
Broadcast
When
They're
Being
Beamed
To
North
America
You
Know
I
Mean
A
Lot
Of
Times
You
Say
Well
The
Reception
Is
Horrible
Well
Perhaps
You
Were
Listening
To
An
English
Broadcast
That's
Being
Beamed
To
Australia
Well
I
I
I
I
Was
Just
Referring
To
The
AM
Sound
Quality
You
Know
Here
We
Have
It
Here
We
Have
A
Tape
Here
In
The
Studio
And
We're
Able
To
Play
It
On
FM
Station
And
There's
There's
Absolutely
No
You
No
High
Pitched
Whining
Anywhere
Except
Maybe
In
The
Text
Maybe
Is
Coming
Through
On
Satellite
Now
Right
But
Most
Of
Us
Aren't
Able
To
To
Receive
That
Oh
But
I
Saying
As
A
Radio
Station
I'm
Sure
You
Guys
Have
Access
Oh
Sure
Indeed
Yeah
We
Can
Do
That
But
There's
Only
So
Many
Minutes
In
A
Day
Speaking
Of
Minutes
I
Want
To
Get
Some
More
Calls
Thanks
So
Much
For
Calling
And
Sharing
That
With
Us
Though
Best
Way
Is
To
Write
Into
The
Station
Because
That's
Probably
The
Most
Dependable
Way
You
Don't
Have
A
Fax
Number
Do
Yes
I
Guess
I
Can
Get
My
Fax
Number
Out
Over
The
Air
I
Don't
Really
Care
Is
It
In
The
2600
One
Of
The
2600
Yeah
Look
It
Up
In
The
Magazine
You'll
Find
It
In
There
I'll
Send
You
Some
Fax
Stuff
Okay
Great
Thanks
For
Good
Morning
Oh
Good
Morning
How
You
Doing
Okay
I
Was
Calling
About
That
Whole
Thing
You
Were
Talking
About
The
Two
Live
Crew
And
As
A
Woman
Of
Color
I
Have
A
Completely
Different
View
On
It
Like
When
You
Played
You
Know
That
Rap
Song
That
You
Did
Play
That
Something
Totally
Different
He
Could
Say
These
Things
It
Was
More
Dealing
With
Reality
But
When
You
Just
When
Black
Women
Are
Dealt
With
As
Sluts
Holes
And
This
Kind
Of
Stuff
That's
Not
Dealing
With
Reality
That's
Not
Singing
With
Reality
That's
Putting
Something
Totally
Different
Out
There
And
This
Music
Is
Not
Geared
For
Adults
Adults
Are
Not
The
Main
Ones
That
Are
Buying
This
So
This
Is
Something
That
Is
Definitely
Geared
For
Our
Youth




That
Values



Come
Out
Or
Why
Is
It
Happened
Why
Is
It
A
Phenomenon
But
It's
Interesting
That
At
The
Same
Time
That
We
Have
Rap
Artists
Like
KRS
One
Public
Enemy
Biz
Marquee
People
That
Are
Doing
Trying
To
Do
Something
Positive
Trying
To
Do
Uplifting
Things
Trying
To
Do
Something
To
You
Know
And
They
Do
Have
A
Big
Following
In
The
Community
That
To
Suddenly
Promote
And
Push
And
Make
For
This
Thing
To
Be
Going
On
It's
Really
Something
You
Know
That
Is
Artists
Don't
Get
The
Play
Aren't
Promoted
Widely
And
Yet
People
Are
Going
To
Jump
On
The
Bandwagon
To
Defend
Something
That's
Just
So
Negative
Yeah
Okay
Thanks
Very
Much
For
Calling
And
Yes
There
Are
Quite
A
Few
Good
Groups
Out
There
That
Are
Saying
Positive
Things
And
They're
Not
Getting
Nearly
The
Attention
They
Deserve
Public
Enemy
Only
One
Of
Them
But
I
Don't
Know
I
See
It
As
A
Victory
For
Something
I
Mean
You
Have
The
ACLU
Defending
The
Klan
Because
The Klan
Wants
To
March
In
Washington
D.C.
We
Just
Heard
This
On
The
News
Earlier
And
You
Know
It's
A
Painful
Thing
To
Have
To
Defend
The
Klan
But
If
You're
Going
To
Say
That
Freedom
Of
Expression
Exists
You
Know
You've
Got
To
Defend
The
Scum
As
Well
As
As
Everybody
Else
And
Defending
The
Scum
Makes
It
Work
For
Everybody
Else
You
Know
Because
Then
Everyone
Else
Isn't
On
The
Front
Lines
You
See
It's
It's
They're
Always
Going
To
Go
For
The
Most
Outrageous
The
Most
Offensive
But
They're
Not
Going
To
Stop
At
The
Most
Outrageous
And
The
Most
Offensive
I
I
Mean
They
Wouldn't
Stop
It
That
At
Naplethorpe
If
They
Were
Able
To
Prevent
His
Paintings
From
Being
Shown
They
Would
Go
To
The
Next
Performance
Artist
Or
Whoever
They
Feel
Is
Homoerotic
Or
Something
That's
Not
In
The
Quote
Unquote
Community
Standards
It
Just
Keeps
Going
And
Going
You
Have
To
Defend
Freedom
Of
Speech
And
Freedom
Of
Expression
For
Everybody
Not
Just
People
Who
100
Good
Morning
Yeah
Eric
Wait
Let me
Turn
The
Radio
Down
This
Last
Very
Good
Point
About
Why
Are
The
People
Into
These
Raps
Like
Bad
Rap
Versus
Good
Rap
Or
More
Progressive
Rap
Versus
More
Regressive
Or
Oppressive
Rap
You
Know
Liberating
Rap
Versus
Repressive
Rap
And
That's
Where
I
See
You
You
You
You
You
I
I
You
I
I
the problem that we have to deal with, and there's the they, the big brother right, that's one aspect of it.
But now there's the other stuff, which is how come some people want the oppressive rap,
and some want the liberating rap, and all the different discussions which will fall in that category.
That's all I've got to say.
Okay, well, thanks for saying it.
Good morning.
Is anyone there?
Hello.
Yes, go ahead.
Yeah, it's very interesting.
I couldn't quite get the Manson meanings, you know, the words, you know, what it said.
I guess I'm not too quick.
Well, you have to listen to it at least 67 times.
Yeah, you've had it listen a lot?
Several times backwards, too, yeah.
Well, I mean, I have to be honest.
You see, honesty is another very important category,
and I really appreciate what you've been saying about Two Live Crew.
You know, it doesn't matter who, but we can't censor, we can't prevent,
because we have to taste it to know whether it's bitter or it's sweet.
But, you know, okay, well, then somebody will say, well, what about, you know,
illicit sex or, you know, things like that.
And as you say, we have to develop our attitudes,
and parents have to be more parents than they've been, by and large, even my own.
You know what I mean?
We go bumping along and having all kinds of pressures on us.
The kids, the peers, and they're saying, do this, taste that, and so forth.
But just in the last day, just on WBAI, if you'll forgive me.
No, I'm not going to forgive you.
Don't talk about WBAI or the programs.
Talk about this program, okay?
I had to say it.
The first caller, I wanted to call in and say that's not Monroe.
He's not, you know, Monroe is usually accused of diverting the course of events.
But I had to cry out for freedom of speech just here on WBAI the last day.
Uh-huh.
Well...
Just today.
And, you know, the program that preceded you, it had...
All right, all right.
Every program, you call up and you say something about another program.
I mean, you know, if you said something about the program you were on,
maybe you'd find yourself saying more.
Good morning.
Yes, hello?
How you doing?
Yeah, I just want to go over the censorship on the race level.
Okay.
This woman was talking about.
All right, first of all...
Okay, first of all, when, like, Luke from Two Life Crew says that he's getting persecuted
because he's a black man, I mean, I listen to, like, the music that's, you know,
not all that's been most persecuted through, you know, through its inception
for, like, the last 20 years and has, you know, had numerous lawsuits against it.
And who is doing the persecuting?
You know, like, typical or in right-wing groups.
And it's a consistent thing, so it's not just a black thing.
And, all right, one thing she said was, well, if it was white women, you know,
they were talking about not black women, you'd feel different about it.
But there's, like, I can mention a group called The Mentors,
who have songs like the 4F Club, finder, feeler.
Uh-huh, yeah, okay, I get the idea.
And I don't doubt that's out there.
Blanker, forgeter.
Right.
You know, they just didn't get prosecuted, because they weren't as big.
Another thing is that she'll say, like, why isn't Public Enemy, you know, getting the play?
They get plenty of play.
They get plenty of airplay.
My music doesn't get any play.
You know, the death metal thrash, you know, you don't play it.
You're just talking about it.
You'd rather play the rap.
Right.
Well, I would say, you know, a lot of the college stations play that.
If you're looking for a place that plays it, a lot of college stations have death metal and speed shows.
Yeah, not good ones, though.
Well, yeah, well.
And MTV only plays at, like, 3 o'clock on Saturday night.
MTV doesn't play anything, as far as I'm concerned.
And they play more rap than, uh...
But, you see, what she was referring to, I mean, I don't know what Public Enemy you hear on commercial radio stations,
but you don't hear a lot of the stuff because a lot of the stuff is just too controversial, you know,
and the same reason you don't hear your stuff.
There's a lot that you don't hear, and there's a lot that you keep hearing over and over again.
You know, you hear the same songs on 50 different stations.
And it's, you know, who makes these rules?
Yeah.
Well, I just want to get into her more.
She's going on, like, about how it's interesting how they're promoting it.
And, you know, it's clear that she thinks that the white man is promoting this music
and promoting Two Life Crew because it glorifies the brutality against black women.
And then she's wondering why they don't promote Public Enemy.
We're not promoting Two Life Crew.
We're persecuting Two Life Crew.
So once we start to persecute Public Enemy, she'll say,
why is the white man persecuting these young men who want to do these positive things for our community?
So you can't win with a person like that.
Well, I think we should all just stop thinking about it as an us-versus-them kind of thing
because what it boils down to is we're all, you know, individual people here,
and we've got our rights to listen to what we want to listen to.
And if somebody goes against Two Life Crew or somebody goes against one of your bands or one of us,
you know, it's an offense against everybody, and that's the point I'm trying to make here tonight.
I'm trying to, like, straighten that out.
Uh-huh.
But don't think of it as a white-versus-black thing.
Okay, that's a little bit of death speed and thrash there for you.
Good morning.
Go ahead.
Amigo!
Huh?
Good morning.
How you doing?
Okay.
Uh, I wanted to tell you my daughter went to a rap concert a while back,
and she had a knife put to her throat and all her jewelry taken.
And the day I let her go back to another one of those things is the day Diana Ross played Central Park.
Thank you.
Well, are you still there?
Okay, Mr. Closed-Minded Person Who Could Not Even Stay On The Phone To Listen To Me.
God.
Okay, well, I suppose you're also not going to let your daughter go to a coliseum
because the day you let your daughter go to a coliseum,
somebody held a knife up to her throat, right?
It's those coliseums.
Give me a break.
It's that kind of attitude that leads to censorship.
It's got nothing to do with rap music.
It's got nothing to do with race or anything like that.
It's, you know, this is a situation that happens in uncontrolled environments.
And if a crime occurs, that's something that has to be dealt with on an individual level.
But you don't condemn an entire musical style because of that.
Or you don't condemn an entire class of people or entire race of people or entire anything.
It's all this generalization.
That's what's getting us into trouble.
Okay, let's take a couple more calls here.
We are rapidly running out of time.
Good morning.
Hi.
How are you doing?
I just, I wanted to say that I certainly agree with that Two Live Crew should not be found guilty of anything.
Obviously, I believe in their freedom of speech.
I would like for much more of the content of their music to be discussed when the issue of Two Live Crew comes up.
I mean, I agree with some of the other caller who said that the more important issue is not freedom of speech.
I mean, you know, I think most progressive people can agree with that.
The more important issue is the misogyny, is the brutality of women.
Yes, very much so, and the way you're approaching it is the right way to approach it.
You don't say, we're going to ban this.
You say, we're going to talk about this.
We're going to see why this kind of music is popular among certain people, and we're going to figure this out.
Is that what you're saying?
Exactly.
I mean, it's hard for me to imagine the audience of Saturday Night Live breaking into cheers that the Ku Klux Klan had been given the freedom to march.
And I'm not saying that that audience wouldn't agree with Ku Klux Klan's freedom to march.
I'm just saying that their consciousness is so totally raised about the Ku Klux Klan that you know it's scum, and you have to let it be because this is the U.S.
Whereas two-life crew, there are a lot of people who think, well, hey, it's just sex.
It's just dirty words.
That's what's upsetting people.
And I don't think that's it.
It's not dirty words.
It's violence.
It's rape.
It's treating women as discardable.
You know, it's interesting what you're saying here.
You're right.
I had not heard that even mentioned in the newspapers.
It was basically the lyrics, the simulated sex, that kind of thing.
It wasn't what they were saying, how they felt towards women.
That was never brought up, and you have to wonder why that was never brought up.
That's the real issue.
Exactly, because there are many songs out there that are very sensual, very erotic, and very wonderful about mutually consenting, exciting sex.
That's not what these songs are about.
These songs are about rape.
And I was also thinking of the decision that just came down in Oregon, where the white supremacist group has been ordered to pay $12 million to the family of the Ethiopian man that was murdered by members of this white supremacist group.
Now the leader of the group is being blamed, saying, you incited this murder, and I'm wondering if we would ever see a case where a woman who was raped would be able to claim that two live crews music had incited someone to rape.
Well, I think you've just given us the topic for the sequel to this show, but I want to thank you for calling.
We are out of time, and thanks to all those other people that were calling fruitlessly.
Stay tuned.
Bob Fast might be taking calls later.
It's 12.58.
This is Emanuel Goldstein.
I've been filling in for Andrew Phillips.
And we're going to leave you with one more thing from Crispin Healy and Glover.
And we're going to leave you with another non-controversial song about nice, friendly things, like smiling clowns and all that.
Yeah, we'll see you again soon, but keep on thinking about these things, because they are important.
WBAI, New York.
I was walking on the ground, I didn't make a sound, then I turned around and I saw a clown.
Had a frown, had a frown, stood on a mound, started barking like a hound.
When I came to it, I found, he showed me something that was brown.
So we became great friends, and late in life, he got sick.
I gave him some soup, but he got worse.
It asked for its purse, it got it, but it was empty, so it cried aplenty.
I wondered what to do.
I didn't know what to think, so I got a drink, and then I showed it something that was brown.
Then it died, smiled, and fell on the ground.
Thinking back about those days with the clown, I get teary-eyed, and really snide.
Deep down, I hated that clown, but not as much as Mr. Farr.
I'm going to go smoke a cigar.
I was walking on the ground, I didn't make a sound, and then I turned around, I saw a clown.
A clown.
A clowny clown.
Clown.
I hate you, clown.
With your ugly frown.
Smiley lips.
I think I'm clipping across the nose, clown.
With this cigar, it'll get you real far.
Like Mr. Farr.
Get it?
Mr. Farr.
Clown.
Clown.
See what a cigar'll do?
Clown.
Ugly clown.
And as the passing parade fades off into the distance, this is WBAI in New York City.
Sheer nervousness balances the ocean back and forth in the sea.
Are you open, too?
Because I'm hoping but haven't heard of it when people travel stories over the Vet grounds.
It's okay.
But it's as complicated as to my Too Farr.
This is a when the