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We know his name now.
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As I walk through this wicked world, searching for light in the darkness of insanity, I ask
myself, is all hope lost, is there only pain and hatred and misery?
And each time I feel like this inside, there's one thing I want to know, what's so funny
about this love and understanding? What's so funny about this love and understanding?
And as I walk on through troubled times, my spirit gets shut down harder sometimes,
so where are the strong, and who are the trusted, and where is the harmony, sweet harmony?
Cause each time I feel it slip away, it just makes me want to cry, what's so funny about
this love and understanding? What's so funny about this love and understanding?
What's so funny about this love and understanding?
So where are the strong, and who are the trusted, and where is the harmony, sweet harmony?
Cause each time I feel it slip away, it just makes me want to cry, what's so funny about
this love and understanding? What's so funny about this love and understanding?
What's so funny about this love and understanding?
from Germany, I almost said West Germany, but of course that no longer exists.
He's with the campaign against the draft, and I guess the first thing that I should say is
we're sorry for keeping you waiting so long, you've been waiting for about an hour and a half
to get on the radio and talk to us about the anti-war movement in Germany.
Good morning, I guess it is for you over there. Do you want to tell us what has been happening?
Good morning, it's Friday morning, 6 o'clock, and in some minutes they will start a big blockade
here in Berlin, and they will start a big blockade of the city's main highway.
Around 500 people will start to blockade the streets and to stop the traffic.
This is only the first action starting today, and we expect around 12 o'clock in the afternoon
a big five-minute symbolic general strike of all the workers in the city.
It's probably all over Germany that the workers will strike at 12 o'clock for five minutes.
The protest here in Germany is developing really, really big.
Especially here in Berlin we have a lot of mass demonstrations.
Yesterday we had in the morning a demonstration with 60,000 people,
in the evening with over 100,000 people.
In the East and West demonstration all the people from the East and West
met together in the middle of the city around the Brandenburg Gate.
And the whole actions were starting last Saturday,
where there was the first big demonstration with around 100,000 people.
So it's really like the majority of the people are starting to move.
Over 100,000 people, and that's what you've been getting on a regular basis?
No, no, no. It's only for Berlin.
The average is 10,000 or 20,000, but 100,000 is really...
It was for eight years the biggest demonstration here in Berlin.
And nobody was expecting so many people.
The police said one week before there would only come 5,000 people,
and it was really crazy.
Would you say this is being reflected all over Europe,
that the peace movement is growing by this amount?
Yes, it's all over Europe.
I know, for example, in Italy the two biggest unions
have also called for a general strike today.
But we don't know how this will look like.
In Italy and France and everywhere there are big, big, big demonstrations.
I think maybe in Germany at the moment it's the biggest demonstrations.
They are in Germany at the moment, but not only in Berlin, but all over Germany.
And in all the cities there are a lot of demonstrations, a lot of actions going on.
I'm meeting in churches and in schools here in Berlin.
All the high school students are on a strike today.
They had a big demonstration yesterday.
Let me ask you a question.
Why do you think it's so widespread in Germany in particular?
What is special about this particular case?
One thing is, of course, German history.
A lot of people have learned something out of it.
There were opinion polls at the beginning of this week
by the German television that showed that 79% of the German population is against the war.
Even more people are against the German troops going to the war.
As you know, within the NATO troops in Turkey,
there are some German soldiers taking part in these NATO troops.
There are a lot of demonstrations against this, especially that the Germans are taking part.
I believe the deployment in Turkey is the first time since World War II
that German troops have been sent outside the border.
So I imagine the feeling for that isn't all very strong over there.
Now, can you tell us what specifically will be happening in the week ahead in Berlin?
In the week ahead?
Yes. How many demonstrations are planned?
I think in the moment it really depends on how the development of the war will be.
Tomorrow there will be in the morning a big demonstration around 10.30.
This is how far the plans go.
The strategy is changing at the moment.
For example, yesterday evening on the big demonstration,
the main demand was that the people should go on a general strike,
not just a symbolic five-minute strike, but a real general strike.
In a way, the strategy of the peace movement is starting to change,
from demonstrations to other actions.
We're speaking with Thomas Ermer of Berlin.
He's with the Campaign Against the Draft.
Thomas, our news director, Amy Goodman, wants to ask you a question.
Go ahead, Amy.
Good evening, Thomas. I guess it's your good morning.
We heard a report that two days ago on German television,
a U.S. woman, the wife of a U.S. soldier,
said that her husband had gone into hiding.
He was deserting, and about 500 U.S. troops were deserting in Germany,
and that he was told that he could get a fair trial if he came out of hiding.
He came out, and apparently he and about 100 other U.S. troops
who had wanted to desert were handcuffed and brought to Saudi Arabia.
Did you hear anything about that?
What we know is that here in Berlin, there are 53 soldiers,
which is the official number, 53 soldiers which have deserted the army.
Is that U.S. troops?
U.S. troops, yes, and they are hiding at several places in the city.
So there's 53 U.S. troops?
There's supposed to be an even higher, darker number of people.
We don't know the number, but there's supposed to be much more soldiers
which have already left the army in West Germany.
But nobody knows the exact number, but what we know is that there are 53,
53 up to now.
These are U.S. soldiers, correct?
U.S. soldiers, yes.
And did you hear?
But there's, I mean, the whole information is not so,
between around Germany, the whole information,
the independent information is not so good.
And so there are supposed to be much more soldiers who have left the army,
but up to now we know for sure from 53.
So you haven't heard anything about them being handcuffed
and brought to Saudi Arabia?
Yeah, we have heard.
Oh, I'm sorry.
We have heard about this, yeah.
But we've also heard that this decision was not legal in a way,
that it was illegal to take them illegally to Saudi Arabia.
Where did you hear that?
We heard it on, it was in an independent newspaper.
Called?
Can you tell us the name of that newspaper?
That's the target site, which is a German independent alternative newspaper.
There was a report about it.
Thank you.
Okay, now can you speak to us as an individual person?
There are a lot of peace activists in this country that are listening right now,
and obviously the movement in Germany is far, far larger
than it is in the United States at this point.
And I suppose we could speculate as to why that is,
because of the firsthand dealings with war that Germany has had.
Seeing blood spilled on your land must make an incredible difference.
But what would you say to those peace activists here
that are trying to organize more and more people
to take part in peace demonstrations?
What advice would you give us?
I don't know your conditions.
The main thing is trying to get as much people on the street
and show your protest.
That's the main thing.
What you can do is show public pressure
and ask people to stop supporting this whole war
and this mad military logic and everything.
That's the only thing you can do at the moment.
How far do you go in your protest?
Do you go as far as to get arrested?
Do you use civil disobedience?
There's a lot of civil disobedience.
For example, yesterday a lot of high school students
made sit-ins in front of the Berlin U.S. headquarters
of the U.S. Army here in Berlin.
And the same is happening around the U.S. military base
in Frankfurt in West Germany, Frankfurt Wiesbaden,
the main military base,
where every day they are starting 14 Galaxy transporters
to Saudi Arabia from Frankfurt.
And there's a big chain around it
where they're giving a hand to each other
and trying to make blockades in front of the entrance of the base.
And on Saturday there's a big, all around Germany,
there's a big mobilization for a demonstration on Saturday in Frankfurt
because it's the main U.S. military base in Western Europe.
And this is one support line.
Now, Thomas, you live in Berlin,
and Berlin has always been a city that's been exempt from the draft,
the military draft that all German youth are required to go through.
I imagine quite a bit of this has to do with the changing rules.
Is that correct?
Yeah, of course.
There's a lot of, especially under high school students
and university students,
the ones who have to go to the army,
there's a big movement against the draft.
Meanwhile, it's supported by a lot of groups in the city,
and it is growing and growing.
There are two main strategies.
One is the refusal of the draft,
and the other thing is that a lot of people are doing a so-called total refusal.
They don't want to do army or civil service, nothing of it.
And even this is growing.
So a lot of people prepare for this total refusal,
which in the end means that they have to go to prison.
Thomas, let me ask you one final question.
Are you aware of much of a reaction from Eastern Europe?
Are there demonstrations going on there as well?
Yeah, of course, yeah.
As you've heard, of course,
there was this attack of the Soviet military in the Baltic countries.
So I think the people are really,
at least they are much more concerned at the moment,
especially in the Soviet Union,
looking to the Baltic countries and what's happening there.
So you believe the situation in the Baltic republics is overshadowing the Gulf situation?
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Because a lot of people think that because all the world is looking to Iraq,
the Soviet conservatives will take the opportunity to go to the Baltic countries
and to stop the movement there.
All right, Thomas Ermer from Berlin with the campaign against the draft there.
We want to thank you very much for being so patient tonight
and for talking to us over our airwaves.
We wish you the best of luck,
and hopefully we'll be hearing about what's going on over there in the newspapers
and hopefully you'll be hearing about the movements over here.
Yeah, okay.
Thank you very much and good morning to you.
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And this is all going for our $500 matching fund
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Thanks very much for those calls.
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Without any more pledging, except to give the phone number out one more time.
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Please call during the feature if you have not already.
And this concerns the protests that have been taking place throughout New York City.
Again, we will continue bringing you information on protests
as they take effect or take place throughout New York,
throughout Long Island, New Jersey, Connecticut, wherever else.
What do we have here?
A news update?
I can barely read this.
We should change the teletype ribbon here.
Lieutenant General Dan Shomron, Israel's Chief of Staff,
said Friday that Iraqi missile attacks cannot go without a response.
This is from Reuters, by the way.
Such an incident requires a response, he told Israel Television.
Asked whether Israel could respond in view of the need of its U.S. ally
to maintain an anti-Iraqi-Arab coalition with Arab partners,
Shomron replied,
I want to say the great American ability doesn't alter the principle
that the protection of the civilians of Israel
is the responsibility of the State of Israel,
and we have the ability to respond,
and I say this incident cannot go without a response.
And I don't think he means just an insult or two hurled over a telephone.
I think he means something a lot more than that.
Well, he also said,
I think it's still understandable that I don't intend to enter into details,
but I'm sure any educated person can understand
that we are in for some very stressful times ahead,
very stressful times indeed.
We're going to go into the piece on the activism,
on the protests in New York City,
and after that we'll be talking a little bit about the draft.
So if you're interested in the military draft,
stay tuned to WBAI New York.
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Peace for all.
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Peace for all.
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Peace for air.
Peace for all.
Peace for all.
Peace for local.
Peace for eyes.
Peace for eyes.
Peace for eyes.
There's a gentleman here with two children,
children one in his arms and one about three four three three and I passed him
he was explaining what the the march meant to them and I was saying to them
that this is a march against war that I was saying to Christina and Andrew that
it's a march for people to express their feelings about getting out of Saudi
Arabia and the Middle East and to have no more war
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Tel Aviv, on the radio, confirmed. Tel Aviv has been bombed. Three bombs on Tel Aviv have just been confirmed on the radio.
Three bombs in Tel Aviv confirmed on the radio. Three explosions in Tel Aviv just confirmed on the radio.
Three bombs just hit Tel Aviv. Apparently. I don't know. It's confirmed on the radio.
Three explosions just confirmed in Tel Aviv. Three explosions in Tel Aviv just confirmed.
It's sickening. It even rings. Crazy son of a bitch.
Three explosions in Tel Aviv confirmed. Three explosions in Tel Aviv just came on the radio. Confirmed.
Three explosions in Tel Aviv just confirmed. Three explosions in Tel Aviv just confirmed on the radio.
The people united will never be defeated. The people united will never be defeated.
Are you listening to news? Tell me what's been going on? I mean, just like lately?
Well, apparently there's a confirmed report that eight Scud missiles have hit Tel Aviv and Haifa so far.
And it's considered a major attack. I think it was confirmed it was a major attack on CNN.
Were there chemical weapons involved? Do they know yet?
They're not sure, but apparently they're prepared for that. But it's not confirmed whether there were chemical weapons involved.
But apparently it got through.
But they feel totally powerless to stop the politicians. And I think it's an incredible tragedy.
I hope that somehow they can change their minds and stand up.
Well, my reaction, as you said, is total horror. I can't imagine all the people that will be killed needlessly.
Innocent human beings that will die for what? Oil? A gallon of gasoline?
I don't know what to say.
That was a most remarkable piece of work there as far as capturing the spirit not only of New York City tonight,
but I think the spirit of the nation as a whole. Just utter bewilderment and dismay at the kind of things that are going on.
And to realize that the people that we know are being sent over there, possibly to die, but you know, dying is only one thing that can happen to you.
There's lots of things that can happen in a war. You could kill. You could be wounded. You could be maimed.
You could just go crazy. Because war does that to you. War does horrible things to you.
The way that we feel right now, we're not even over there. We're here. We're far, far away from the conflict as usual.
We're far away from it. But we feel it. We feel the horror. We feel the tension. We feel the pain.
We feel the anxiety. And we've been feeling it for quite some time, knowing that something was coming.
We're dealing with stubborn people on all sides, and that there's so few ways to get through to those stubborn people.
So few ways indeed. And as always, the people at the bottom, the individual people, or actually are the people at the top in my view,
but the people at the bottom, the common people, the vast numbers, millions of citizens of these countries,
they're the ones that feel it. They're the ones that suffer. They're the ones that die.
They're the ones that lose relatives. They're the ones that lose limbs. You name it.
You name it. Think of all the horrors of war that have gone on for centuries.
And the only thing that's changed is the technology. Oh, the technology has changed.
The technology has changed. We've gotten so good, so efficient at wiping other people out.
Imagine. Imagine the funds, the money that is going towards this.
You know, I saw something on TV today that really made me mad.
They were reporting, I think it was on Channel 4, how there were now blood banks forming.
You know, blood banks, and you should go and donate blood now.
And they were making a big deal about this blood bank and how all these people are getting involved.
Hey, I have nothing against that, a worthy cause, but where the hell were they during the AIDS crisis,
which I think is a much more serious war. Where were they then?
Why aren't we uniting to fight that war? Why can't we unite with the rest of the world?
Why can't we get them together like we've gotten them together here,
and fight something that is a threat indeed to every last one of us?
Well, things do change. And naive as it may sound, we can change things.
But we have to believe that we can.
And as we were saying earlier, if we fall victim to that belief that you're incapable of changing anything
because you're so small, then you're playing right into the hands of the people that don't want you to even try.
So make a difference. Get out there. Talk. Speak.
Go to these demonstrations. Call your congressman. Think about it.
Think to yourself about the horrors that are going on right now.
We're going to talk about, speaking of the improvements in technology,
the improvements in technology that make it much easier for you to be drafted,
assuming that you are of age to be drafted. I know a lot of our listeners are.
If there's any joy to be felt out of all this, the number of young people that have gotten together,
people under the age of 20, that are out there demonstrating, out there thinking,
talking to their friends, talking to us here, it's a good sign for the future that you're so awake,
even if you're awake this late at night.
Please keep it up. Please spread the power that you have in your hands.
Talk to other people. Get the word out.
And don't be discouraged because you've got a lot of support behind you.
Ironically enough, these are the very people that will be the victims if the draft is reinstated.
You know, you think it's not possible. You think it's not going to happen.
Well, what would you say if I told you that there could be a decision made tonight?
A decision made right now at this very moment to reinstate the draft.
And you know, mailgrams will be sent out in tomorrow morning's mail.
Think about it. It's a lot closer than you think, and if we keep moving the way we're going,
there's no telling where it could end.
Wake up. Stay tuned.
1, 2, 3, 4
1, 2, 3, 4
1, 2, 3, 4
It's up to you not to heed the call of
You must not act the way you were brought up
Who knows the reasons why you were thrown up
Who knows the plans of why they were thrown up
It's up to you not to heed the call of
I don't want to die
It's up to you not to heed the call of
No, I don't want to kill
For he who will die
Is he who will kill
Maybe I want to see what we feel
Over Kiev and down to the sea
It's up to you not to heed the call of
I don't want to die
It's up to you not to heed the call of
I don't want to kill
I don't want to kill
All the young people down the ages
They gladly march up the dark
Proud city fathers used to watch them
It's up to you not to heed the call of
I don't want to die
It's up to you not to heed the call of
I don't want to kill
For he who will die
For he who will die
Is he who will kill
There is a rose that I want to live for
Although God knows I may not have met her
There is a dance and I should be with her
There is a town unlike any other
It's up to you not to heed the call of
You must not act the way you were brought up
Who gives you up and why should you do it?
I can't help it
Fifty-five minutes past eleven
There is a rose
But to drink from I have to drink from
But to drink from I have to drink from
But to drink from I have to drink from
Yeah, it's up to you not to heed the call of the wind.
It's up to you not to hear the call of the wind.
One, two, three.
One, two, three-o!
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One, two, three-o!
And we want to thank very much the people that have been calling up.
Even though we haven't been giving out the phone number, it's great to see people showing
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You know, I'm going to make a pledge myself because I just realized how important this
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212-279-3400.
And boy, what an incredible night this has been.
And I don't mean incredible as in a great night.
No, it hasn't been a great night.
It's been a very sad night.
And I have a feeling we have some sad days ahead too.
Maybe a whole sad period.
Oh yeah, the stock market went up by 100 points.
That's going to make us feel good.
That's like shooting up for a little while.
You know, you're going to come down off it at some point.
Okay, let's really cheer people up now and talk about the military draft, which has not
been in effect here since 1972, but it could be reinstated at any time.
This is from an article that appeared in the Los Angeles Times fairly recently.
There's clearly no groundswell for reviving the draft even now, despite suggestions made
at recent congressional hearings.
Reinstituting it would require action by both houses of Congress and the signature of the
president, a process likely to provoke heated debate.
Still, the Persian Gulf crisis has piqued public interest in the standby draft created
in the wake of the Iran hostage crisis in 1979 to 81, and staffed by a few thousand
military reservists and civilian volunteers.
According to Glenn Ford, operations officer for the regional draft headquarters in Denver,
we're expected to open up the draft mechanism overnight in the event of a national emergency.
Folks, we're one step away from a national emergency.
I'm not sure how many people realize that.
Ford continues, administrative offices have been pre-identified, local boards have been
appointed and trained.
If the draft were to be activated, officials say they now have an equal opportunity system
at the ready that could fill training camps with 100,000 civilians in barely a month.
Gone are the days when national draft officials set regional and state-by-state quotas, or
when the whims and prejudices of local board members could dictate who was drafted and
who was not.
Much of the flexibility has been bred out of a system that was widely criticized during
the Vietnam War for enabling large numbers of middle and upper class whites to escape
military service.
According to current law, men must register for the standby draft when they turn 18 and
the data is fed into a nationwide computer.
That's right, folks, there weren't computers like there are computers today back in 1972.
A lot has changed.
Women are exempt.
That hasn't changed.
But the data bank currently has the names of 15 million draft-eligible young men on
file.
You folks that have been registering, obeying the law, well, you might get your reward for
that real soon.
I don't mean to make anybody panic or anything like that, but it's just, this is reality
and I think we should be awake to the possibilities of reality.
Within hours of a call-up, which, by the way, is the name of the song we just heard from
The Clash, a secretly located data processing center near Chicago could begin spewing overnight
mail-gram draft notices across the nation.
It's a secret location in Chicago, or near Chicago, and that is where these mail-grams
will come from.
Fearing sabotage, officials declined to reveal the exact site of that computer.
In 24 to 72 hours, we could have our first induction orders in the mail, explained Air
Force Lieutenant Colonel Ronald Milstrup, Deputy Director of the Selective Service System's
regional headquarters in Illinois.
Local boards would be limited to granting deferments, and even that power has been severely
curbed.
Draftees could still argue hardship, conscientious objector, or ministerial claims to the boards,
but student or job-related deferments, the most popular ways to delay or evade military
service in the old days, have been eliminated.
And I know that was something that a lot of people used back in the 60s and early 70s.
Student or job-related deferments have been eliminated.
I enjoyed that luxury of staying at the University of Florida, receiving those letters from the
draft board, asking how I was doing in school, said Douglas Maddox, who is now the Secret
Service, I'm sorry, the Selective Service Director in Florida.
Oh, boy, how ironic.
Now, he says, if you are at college, you will be allowed to finish the semester that you
are currently enrolled in, then you will be drafted.
If you're a senior, you will be allowed to graduate.
The age group with primary vulnerability would be 20-year-olds.
See, 20-year-olds, you go first.
A lottery would be held to determine draft priorities by birthday.
Then following the dictates of that lottery, the Chicago area computer would spit out draft
notices to 20-year-olds.
Next would come 21-year-olds, 22, 23, 24, and 25-year-olds.
And last in line would be 18 and 19-year-olds.
And in case anybody cares, the famous salutation of the old draft has been changed.
Instead of opening with the word, greetings, the new draft notices would get right to the
point.
They would simply say, order to report for induction and include a travel voucher to
the nearest induction center.
Travel vouchers.
These would be given 10 days to report.
And that's from the Los Angeles Times.
Those are facts, folks.
Those are facts.
That's exactly what is going to happen in the event of a national emergency, which we
are rapidly heading towards.
I think that could very well be why so many young people are taking an active role here.
It's a damn good reason to take an active role.
And if you value our young people, you should be taking an active role, too.
Because for centuries, centuries, governments have taken children from their parents to
put them in the line of fire, and we have got to stop that.
We've got to put an end to it.
And the power is in our hands to do that.
They can get 100,000 people marching in Berlin.
We had about 10,000 tonight in New York.
We can do better.
There are rallies in Washington, D.C. this Saturday and next Saturday.
There's buses leaving from all over the place.
Listen to BAI for more details on that.
Believe me, they have to listen.
I know it's popular among many crowds to say, oh, there's nothing you can do.
They're not going to listen to you.
But they will listen.
They know when cities are crowded with people chanting anti-war slogans, they know.
Everybody in the world watches CNN.
And if it gets on CNN, they know.
So the answer is to get out there, to be vocal, to be visible.
Some real bad news.
Some of you may have heard about a march last night that went to the Brooklyn Bridge.
And some of the marchers were attempting to stop traffic, which they did for the most
part.
But unfortunately, there was one drunk driver that did not stop.
He fell out into a crowd.
One person has died.
A young woman has died from injuries.
Several people were knocked off the bridge.
They fell off the Brooklyn Bridge, a distance of about 50 or 60 feet, I understand.
I talked to a young man that was at the scene, only a few feet away from the car when it
sped through.
One of our listeners, Maria, called in to say that Laura Beatty, who was a dancer, graduate
of Columbia College, 1990, was seriously injured.
Two broken legs, and two broken legs, a horrible thing for a dancer to get.
You know, I heard something on a TV station today, something that made me so angry that
I called them up and demanded that they retract what they said.
They said, there are demonstrations now in support of the war.
People are saying they support President Bush, which certainly is within their rights.
But then they went on to label the two classes of demonstrators.
They said, so now we have the anti-war demonstrators, and we have the patriotic demonstrators, the
patriotic demonstrators.
And it took me a while to dial the phone.
That's how angry I was.
I mean, who the hell are they to say that we're not patriotic because we oppose the
war?
That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.
If you use your brain, if you think things out, and if you know why you are doing what
you are doing, and you believe you're doing it for the best reasons, it sounds to me like
you're supporting your country, and damn it, we're patriots too.
So don't let anybody say that you're not patriotic, that you don't deserve to live in this country,
because you do.
Someone that questions that is showing something about themselves.
Don't allow that kind of thing to be said about you.
People that marched in Brooklyn last night, they fought a war too.
One person died in that war.
Sure, we didn't expect to be killed in New York City marching against the war, but when
you are part of something like this, you unite.
You know you're going to be attacked by some people, that some people are going to yell
at you and look down upon you.
Some people might even try to hit you or throw things at you, and occasionally horrible things
like what happened last night happened, although I understand that was an accident.
From what I've heard, it was an accident and not a deliberate act.
But these kind of things do happen, and these people are fighting just as hard for their
causes.
It's a war that's going on right here, and the people fighting that war are every bit
as brave and noble as the people fighting on the other side of the world.
And I also urge people not to put down the folks that are over there, because they certainly
didn't have a choice in the matter.
In fact, in many ways I consider them to be hostages just as much as anybody else.
510,000 hostages are over there, or however many thousand there are.
They can't leave.
They're not allowed to change their mind.
They're stuck over there.
Whether or not they want to be over there, they cannot leave.
And even if someone is over there and they believe they're doing the right thing, it's
important to respect that, to respect an individual's right to make that kind of a decision.
But if you believe that the policy that sent them over there is wrong, then it is up to
you to speak out against it, and don't let anybody tell you that you're going against
the interests of the country by doing this.
It's the same kind of rationale, the same kind of feeling that almost silenced the debate
in Congress.
Oh, we'll be sending the wrong signal to Saddam Hussein if we have a debate.
We'll be sending the wrong signal to a dictator to prove that we're a democracy.
Let's be dictators too.
I don't buy that.
I don't buy what people are saying about how we have to all stand up now and unite
behind our president.
I don't think that's right at all.
I think we have to think this through ourselves, stand up as individuals, because that is what
we are a nation of.
Well, I have another article here about the draft, and again, I feel obligated to give
out the phone number, 212-279-3400, for those of you that feel so moved to offer their support
to this radio station, and show your support by making a pledge to WBAI in New York, 212-279-3400.
Amy Goodman is back.
Emmanuel, we just got two interesting calls.
One is from a woman who called Alphonse D'Amato's office to express her protest about the war
and the young man she spoke with there, after she expressed herself very vehemently, said,
leave the country.
She said she thought Bush should be impeached, she thought he was a murderer, and he said
leave the country.
He said that 95% of the calls to Al D'Amato's office are pro-Bush, so she wanted people
to call Alphonse D'Amato and change that percentage if he was telling the truth.
I think now would be a good time to read some phone numbers.
Wouldn't you say that would be a good time?
Yeah, it would.
OK, if somebody in Talley or wherever in the station could bring in that list of phone numbers.
Well, for one thing, we can say that the Congressional switchboard number is 202-224-3121, and you
can call that number and ask for the Congress member of your choice.
You can also call the White House Opinion Line, 202-456-1111.
I would say that your chances of getting through are about as much of a chance of us getting
a telephone call through to Iraq right now.
It's constantly busy, but there are better numbers there in the White House.
OK, try this one.
The President's Direct Line, 202-456-2858.
That rings President Bush's personal secretary, and I've heard that they've stopped answering
that phone at some points because of the number of calls they've been getting, but you've
got to make yourself heard, folks.
And also the switchboard for the White House, they'll switch you to wherever you want to
go inside the White House, theoretically that is, 202-456-1414.
And there's plenty of other numbers.
If you need the numbers for your elected officials, call the League of Women Voters.
They're very good for providing that kind of information.
They'll provide you with the address, the phone number of any elected official that
you want to get a hold of.
The other thing, Emmanuel, is a lot of people have been calling in to express their concern
for the more than half a dozen protesters who got hit by the car last night on the Brooklyn
Bridge.
Unfortunately, one young woman died this afternoon, a very tragic, tragic story.
And another woman called in named Maria.
She called in to say that her friend Laura Beatty was one of those who got hit, and she
has two broken legs.
She's a graduate student.
She graduated from Columbia in 1990 and was a dancer.
She has two broken legs now, and her friend Maria wanted everyone to know about it.
A lot of people have called in about that, are very upset about that.
Now, we've got just a few minutes before Bob Fass' show, and we've got volunteers, unusual
for this time of night, waiting to take calls.
A lot of action out there.
A lot of people are concerned.
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Emmanuel, if we can raise $500 in this last three minutes before Bob Fass comes on in,
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A lot of people have called in to support the war coverage.
Who would have ever thought we would be talking about the war coverage?
In the newsroom right now, there's a big sign-up that we had from New Year's that says, Happy
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Okay, we don't want to delay things much longer, so we're going to play our last selection.
I mentioned that I had another article about the draft.
What I'm going to do, because of the strong response we're getting tonight, on the next
Off the Hook program, which is on alternate Wednesday nights from 9 to 10 p.m., wasn't
on yesterday because it was preempted.
It won't be on next week because that's not the week it's supposed to be on, but it will
be on the week after that, whatever date that winds up being.
And we will do a special on the technology involved in selective service and in the draft.
So mark that down in your calendars.
Not next Wednesday.
The Wednesday after that, from 9 to 10, Off the Hook will be talking about the computers
and technology involved in summoning our nation's youth to fight, kill, and be killed.
I wish we could be talking about something a little more cheerful.
212-279-3400.
This is Emanuel Goldstein.
I'm heading out of here and Bob Fass is heading in.
Thanks so much to those of you that have called up.
If you're thinking about calling in, please do.
Please do.
We need to hear from you.
And we need to see you in the days and the weeks ahead.
We need to see action out there.
Thanks very much.
Good night.
I realize the tragic significance of the atomic bomb.
Having found the atomic bomb, we have used it.
We shall continue to use it until we completely destroy Japan's power to make war.
Only a Japanese surrender will stop us.
When the clouds opened up over the target at Nagasaki, the target was there pretty as
a picture.
I made the run, let the bomb go.
That was my greatest thrill.
He wanted to drop a bomb on the Japanese, I really got to make my baby proud.
I want the machine gun and I want to be head out in the world.
I want to show old man Hitler that sonny boy don't mean him no good.
I want to drop a bomb and set the Japanese city on fire.
I want to show old man Hitler that sonny boy don't mean him no good.
I have got the victory blues because I know I have got to go.
I have got the victory blues because I know I have got to go.
Not to keep the dirty Japanese from slipping in through my baby's back door.
Who do you represent?
I am a representative, basically we are representing all Jewish of the great world.
Can you explain because most people would assume that Israel would be supported by the
Jewish community.
Yes, that is the greatest mistake that has been going on in the world for over 40 years.
And the practice has shown that the greatest misfortune that has happened to the Jewish
nation is...