of the marathon. Once again, you've been listening to Radio WBAI 99.5 FM, broadcasting from the Empire State Building. Good evening. And before we go to computers on the air with Emanuel Goldstein, we have this report from Crown Heights. Something that's going on right now. Perhaps you heard about it on the news. Here it is. This is Jerry Edwin again in the Crown Heights section, where the calm that we were all expecting would come has not come. In fact, the police, as I speak, are bringing in more reinforcements. A couple of paddy trucks are passing me. I'm on the corner of Eastern Parkway and Utica Avenue. About a half hour ago, the mayor, Mayor David Dinkins, came to the home of the victim of the car accident two days ago, which, of course, has proved to be the catalyst for the current state of unrest we have in the Crown Heights district. The mayor came into the home of the victims. He was pelted with, of course, he arrived in his motorcade. That motorcade was pelted stones, bottles, rocks from the crowd. The mayor had to scurry inside. He emerged a few minutes later and tried to address the crowd, but they would not allow him to speak. The mayor appealed for calm, but he was shouted down. The people were asking for the driver of the vehicle, the car that killed Young Gavin Cato a couple of days ago. And soon after the mayor left, again, to more bottles and stones, police who had cordoned off both sides of President Street, that is the east and western ends of President Street, moved in on the crowd. And the crowd responded with more bottles and stones, and the police backed off. There were a number of arrests. I myself saw an apparent 12- or 13-year-old kid beaten by the police. He was put in a temporary chokehold and then handcuffed and shoved into a car. A couple of females were also shoved into the car with him. As I speak now, even, I can see a plume of smoke rising from the southern end of Utica Avenue, closer to Union Street. The onerous continues here in Crown Heights, and from the position that the police have taken up, it doesn't look as though the peace is going to arrive here any time soon. Still in Crown Heights, Jerry Edwin for WBAI News. And this is WBAI in New York. It's just about 9.02 on this rather exciting day. Off the Hook is next. The telephone keeps ringing So I ripped it off the wall I cut myself while shaving Now I can't make a call It couldn't get much worse But if they could, they would Bum, diddly, bum But the best is back from worst I hope that's understood Bum, diddly, bum And a very good evening to one and all. This is Off the Hook The program that normally deals with technology and fun things with telephones and computers And we'll be doing with that, oh, just a little bit today But we're also going to be dealing with the major issues of the news And boy, have there been a lot of major issues in the news in the last couple of days We'll be taking phone calls And doing all kinds of other interesting things as well Before we do anything else though Before we launch into this tirade of things that are going on I'd like to introduce you to a familiar friend Oh yes, it's our familiar dial tone friend And we are going to connect to a number that some kind listener Actually, some kind reader of 2600 sent in And we will be dialing up that particular number And showing you some of the interesting things that are out there This is something that is geared towards those political Actually, I guess it was a Freudian slip there Religious, not political, religious groups That want to take your money You've heard of them I mean, they are out there Well, this is something that they would subscribe to Take a listen Thank you for calling American Communications and Engineering's NSP Revenue Line Demonstration For ministries and other religious organizations We'll show you how to increase support from your viewers, listeners, and partners We'll show you how easy it is for them to obtain your gift offers By using their Visa or MasterCard and their touchtone phone Also keep in mind that the message they're hearing Is exactly what you want them to hear In your own voice if you choose And that you have total control over that information At all times from any touchtone phone You'll hear a menu of selections next So try as many as you like See how simple it is for your friends to support your organization With our NSP Revenue Line If you would like to hear how a caller can make donations to your ministry Press 1 If you would like to hear how a caller can order a book Cassette tape or other gift offers Press 2 If you would like to hear how a caller can obtain information Regarding upcoming events or crusades Press 3 If you would like to hear how a caller can leave a prayer request Press 4 Make your selection now Well, let's start with number 1 Hello, this is Pastor Smith Hello Thank you so much for calling As you know, we are expanding the outreach of our ministry We would be most grateful for your financial and prayer support at this time If you have called to make a gift Please enter your Visa or MasterCard number now So that's what it boils down to Okay, well Visa numbers begin with 4 And they generally have 16 digits What was that? If you would like to return to the main menu Please press 1 If you would like to end this demonstration Press 2 That sounded like a clock ticking Okay, let's go back to the main menu If you would like to hear how a caller can make donations to your ministry Press 1 If you would like to hear how a caller can order a book Cassette tape Or other gift offers Press 2 Let's try that one Hello, this is Pastor Smith Thank you so much for calling Remember, you will be helping us take the gospel message Across this nation To those who are hurting To place an order Enter your Visa or MasterCard number now Well, they'll be hurting financially Okay, let's try this again See if we get the little ticking clock There it is If you would like to return to the main menu Please press 1 Let's go back If you would like to end this demonstration Press 2 I said 1 Let's say it again If you would like to hear how a caller can make donations to your ministry Press 1 If you would like to hear how a caller can order a book Cassette tape Or other gift offers Press 2 If you would like to hear how a caller can obtain information Regarding upcoming events or crusades Press 3 Let's try that one If you would like to hear how a caller can leave a Hello, this is Pastor Smith Thank you so much for calling Our next crusade will be in Minneapolis, Minnesota on April 3rd If you would like reservation information Please speak your name and address slowly after the tone So that we may send you all the particulars Your name and address slowly Well, that's what he said For verification, your name and address is Your name and address slowly If that was correct, please press 1 I'd say that was pretty incorrect That was incorrect No, it was correct It was correct Don't worry If you would like to return to the main menu Please press 1 Okay If you would like to end this demonstration We have one more selection to try So let's try that one more selection If you would like to hear how a caller can make donations to your ministry Press 1 If you would like to hear how a caller can order a book Cassette tape or other gift offers Press 2 If you would like to hear how a caller can obtain information regarding upcoming events or crusades Press 3 If you would like to hear how a caller can leave a prayer request Press 4 Prayer request, here we go Hello, this is Pastor Smith Thank you for calling If you would like to leave a prayer request now Simply speak your name and address And briefly tell us your need after the tone Hello, my name is Emanuel And I hope for peace in the world And I hope for those nasty people at the visa company to stop calling me That's all For verification Your name, address, and prayer request is Hello, my name is Emanuel And I hope for peace in the world And I hope for those nasty people at the visa company to stop calling me That's all If that was correct, please press 1 If that was incorrect, please press 2 Let's hit a 3 and cause some turmoil If that was correct, please press 1 If that was incorrect, please press 2 How about a pound sign? If that was correct, please press 1 I'm so patient If that was incorrect, please press 2 Okay, just a star If you would like to return to the main menu, please press 1 If you would like to end this demonstration, press 2 Okay, let's finish it off Thank you for your prayers and support Please call again soon I'm sure I will Okay, well that was an interesting little demonstration there With the, I forget what the name of the service was But it's what all you ministers and pastors out there will no doubt be using To sucker money out of people listening on your various radio shows and television programs Hey, maybe we should get one here at BAI Maybe we should go all religious I don't know Anyway, that's a look at one of the things that somebody found and sent in to us And keep looking out there Keep looking for those 800 numbers that connect you to rather interesting things Well, it's been a very newsworthy week I like to focus on something trivial before I focus on the important things And of course the trivial matter of inclement weather Which some of you may have noticed, some of you may not have noticed Depending on what it was that actually happened to you and where you are geographically I was out on the island, which is where I live Out in Suffolk County And that's where this hurricane seems to have hit the most Now, mind you, it did not hit very hard where I was But it apparently hit one power line that has knocked out entire communities in western Suffolk And it's been rather discouraging to see how things have turned out You know, when the power first went out Okay, and this is something that I've learned so much from First of all, when the power first went out at about 10 o'clock in the morning on Monday I was right there on the telephone And I always wondered, why doesn't the telephone go out too? You know, only the electricity goes out And the cable TV, but I don't get cable TV But I know everybody that does has that problem And it's always cable TV and it's always electricity But the phone is almost always there So I called up Long Island Lighting Company to tell them Hey, guess what? For some unknown reason, the power has gone out But, what do you think I got? What do you think I, well I can, I am so certain I am so certain that it's still like this That, what are we going to do here? We're going to Get another one of these friendly dial tones And call up a number Special hotline number for Emergencies Let's see what happens Oh, yes A good old Long Island Lighting Company With probably about three phone lines to handle everybody Now, I have been trying constantly Constantly since 10 o'clock a.m. on Monday To call them to tell them that the power is out And that's all I get Whether I call at 5 in the morning 5 in the afternoon 12 midnight You know, 11 o'clock in the morning Anytime I get that I get that same nasty sound And you know what they did? You know what these nasty people did? They have numbers set up in different parts They have Nassau County numbers And they have Suffolk County numbers So I figured Hey, you know I know how the system works I know they all tie into a computer network somehow I'm going to call The Nassau number Okay I call the Nassau number And say Hey You and Nassau It's probably not as busy As the people in Suffolk Can you please report the fact That my power is out? You know It's something I think That would be reasonable Well Not only were they Were they sarcastic But they were completely rude And they even hung up on me at one point Because I was asking them To please Just You know Send a message to somebody In the Suffolk Bureau That there's no power In this particular area But no They couldn't do that Sir You have to call This particular number That has been busy now Continuously For For three days And there's no way That we Even though we're in the same company There is no way That we can tell Anybody That your power is out And there's nothing That anybody can do And needless to say Throughout the Western Suffolk area There has not been And I have A lot of people That can vouch for this There has not been A single sighting Of a local truck Any place They're all out east In the Hamptons Which is fine You know I mean People in the Hamptons Need them But also People in Other parts of the island Need them as well And they are being ignored And I can attest To this personally Because there is not That much damage In the areas That I have seen Not that much damage At all Everything has been Cleaned up But the only thing That hasn't been fixed Is the electricity There's cables lying On the ground And nobody is touching them Now There's a humorous side To all this Because You realize Just how Dependent you are On technology And on electricity Now somebody like me That is a computer hacker And deals with telephones All the time Well at least I have the telephone still But there is so much You cannot do There is so much You can't do Without electricity You know You can't Read You can't Stay up late I mean I've been going to bed At you know Reasonable times And that's just Not like me To do that You can't see What you're doing You can't Sign on to Computer networks And greet people And communicate You sort of Fall into this Little shell And you just Find yourself Waking up When the sun Comes up And going to sleep When the sun Goes down You know Sort of like What people Have been doing For all time But you start Losing that That certain zest That certain Mischievous nature That allows you To go out And I don't know Do whatever it is You want to do You need electricity You can't watch television You can barely Listen to the radio And your batteries Die before you know it In many senses So it's sad And you know I've seen the same Thing in other people I was driving down Various suburban streets And there's people You know Just sort of Standing by the Side of the road And they're just Staring Looking for something To do There is nothing For them to do They're just Sort of Hanging out by the Side of the road Looking pathetic And you know You think of You think of people In developing countries Third world nations That just sort of Looked forlorn Or portrayed as Looking forlorn On the television Trying to find food Trying to find water Trying to figure out How to do their wash In the river Or something like that And you realize Hey we're not so far From that Because all you have to do Is take away our electricity And all of a sudden We start losing Our purpose Our purpose in life To keep going To progress And you take away People's electricity For a few days And they just start Looking completely different They look really shabby They can't wash They can't shave They can't do All kinds of things So it's An awakening You know You sort of Are shaken And brought back To your true position In the universe So yes I'm humbled by this But I'm still angry Because I know This shouldn't have to be There is no reason For this to be going on I mean At least if you're going To lose power For a week You should at least Have some devastation Around you I mean that's just The way I look at it You know Have some carnage And broken houses And trees And everything around you Have devastation Disaster Destruction But One wire Falling on a main road Just doesn't cut it for me So let's hope Let's hope they get the message Although I don't know How they're going to get the message I mean you can't call them What good is an emergency line If an emergency It doesn't work You know I mean it doesn't do Anybody any good So I don't know What to do about it If there's anybody out there That works for Loco Please tell them To get on the ball And send some trucks around And start restoring power Now those of you Of course that Subscribe to the 2600 magazine Well you're going to be seeing An issue that comes out Very late Maybe not even In the right season The summer issue May very well come out In the fall Because there is no power There is no way To do anything So That's just the way The way things are I can I can actually check right now And see if If power has been restored Because The 2600 fax line Would pick up the phone If If there was power And obviously Would not pick up the phone If there was not power So Let's see if they They are out there Now I hear a ringing But I don't hear any pickups That incidentally folks Is a crossbar ring Number 5 crossbar One of a dying breed Ah but it's beautiful nonetheless And I learned something About the phone system too It was completely overloaded But it worked It never failed But it was very hard Getting through sometimes You had to wait about 20 seconds To get dial tones And there was one point Where I was calling The local number Which is in a different Central office It's in an electronic Central office And I was getting A local crossbar busy It was never leaving The crossbar And instead of giving me A reorder In other words A fast busy It would give me A regular busy signal Which the only thing I can think I can imagine Would cause that Is if the whole system Was just completely Messed up And it just tripped over To the busy tone generator For no apparent reason Because there was no way It could have gone out And checked to see If the number was really busy And then come back And said Okay send him a busy signal Crossbar just doesn't Work that way Maybe ISDN in the future Will work that way But we're nowhere Near that now So while we saw The phone system Become taxed Almost to its limit The electricity Simply snapped Like a twig Except more electric lines Seemed to have snapped Than twigs So that's another issue Alright Now On to the real news These are petty concerns I realize that But they They affect some people But not a whole lot At least not in the area We had Momentous occasions Going on Over the past couple of days And I've been glued To the short wave I've had to To string up An alternative Way of Of listening Since there was no power Where I was And we had A bunch of people Trying to Trying to tune in Radio Moscow I don't know if anybody Out there has been successful We'll be taking A few phone calls In a little while To see what people Have been doing If you have any frequencies To pass along That would be the time To do it If you have a short wave radio These are Most certainly Interesting times To listen to it You can hear BBC Virtually Every hour On the hour Give excellent reports Radio Moscow Is rather hard To find They are Almost impossible To find Lately I don't know Why that is If it's atmospheric Or because of Of the troubles Over there They were almost Impossible to find Last night But we were Able to track Them down And they had Quite a few Interesting Interesting comments I remember One in particular Concerned the Prime Minister Pavlov And his Particular Health problems We're calling it The Moscow flu Everybody is Sort of coming down With these illnesses All of a sudden And Pavlov Was described On Radio Moscow As suffering From a Hypertensive Crisis I mean The phraseology In situations Like this Is simply Priceless Hypertensive Crisis I mean I guess That's what You can call The whole Situation In itself And maybe It's sort Of a Microcosm Of what's Happening With Pavlov The health Of President Gorbachev Was described As grave Last night On Radio Moscow And they also Were talking About curfews Being in effect From 11pm To 5am And various Other things As well Now What we are About to hear Now Is Something that Was taped A few hours Ago Off the Radio Moscow World Service This was Actually aimed At Europe And we were Able to Pick it up Here And It's basically A roundup Of the news After it was Learned that Gorbachev Had won Would be Coming back To power And After It was Learned that The coup Had failed So We'll listen To To the news From Moscow Today And then We'll be Taking some Phone calls At 212-279-3400 Here on WBAI The program Is off the Hook And we're Today Taking a Look at Some Alternative Communications If you Have your Shortwave We'll probably Have some Frequencies To read Later 279-3400 Area code 212 Today's Radio Moscow We missed The very First few Seconds of This because Well it's Very hard To tune in Sometimes You know You hear You hear The station Coming on The air Right You hear Radio Moscow Coming And then They start Speaking in A different Language So you have To quickly Look for Another station That's speaking English And fortunately We were able To find one So here is What they had To say And please Excuse the Reception This did come All the way From the other Side of the World Law enforcement Bodies Have assumed Control over These bodies Together with The defense Ministry Law enforcement Bodies are To guarantee The safe Return of President Gorbachev To his Kremlin Residence For performing His duties Meanwhile The Soviet Procurator General Has started Crownal Proceedings Against Members Of the Allegedly Formed State Committee For the State of Emergency Charging On That Crimes Against The State Speaking On Tele The President Of Kazakhstan Norut Sultan Nazarbayev Has announced That he Spoke on The Phone With Mikhail Gorbachev Tonight The Soviet President Told Him That He Spent All These Days In Complete Isolation At His Summer Home In The Crimea He Is In Good Health According To Nazarbayev Mikhail Gorbachev Described The Situation In The Country As A Right Wing Murdery Coup Gorbachev Also Announced Members Of The Self Proclaimed State Emergency Committee Aled Baklanov Vladim Prichkov Alexander Tijakov Dmitry Yagov As Well As The Head Of The National Parliament Anatol Lukianov And Deputy General Secretary Of The Communist Party Vladim Ivashka Were In The Reception Room Of His Office The Same Day President Bush Spoke On The Phone With Mikhail Gorbachev According To President Bush Who Told Correspondents About The Conversation The Soviet President He Said Had Returned To Performing His Duties As The Head Of State Mikhail Gorbachev Praised The Support Of Western Leaders For Him And Said He Was Planning To Return To Moscow Soon According To What's The Situation In Moscow And Other Soviet Cities Where A State Of Emergency Was Introduced Is Gradually Growing Stable The Leadership Of The Defense Ministry Decided To Pull Out Army Units From The Headers Of The State Of Emergency To Their Bases The Court Has Been Lost In Moscow TAS Has Officially Announced That Restrictions Introduced By It It Was Announced At The Extra Only Session Of The Russian Parliament But Russian Television And Radio Will Resume Their Work On Thursday President Mikhail Kovachov Was Removed From Power By Force On Sunday Night Because He Refused To Sign A Decree On The Introduction Of A State Of Emergency In The Country This Was Disposed At A Moscow News Conference By The President Of The Union Of Science And Industry Arkady Volsky What Had Happened Was Described As Proof Of Gorbachev Miscalculations In Choosing His Minasos And Ains Volsky Said Reports About The President's Ill Health And In Inability To Perform His Duties Were An Invention According To Volsky Minho Gorbachev Who Phoned Him Last Saturday Said He Halt Well But Had A Slight Attack Of Ridiculitis Which He Had Had Before Volsky Flockly Denied Rumours That Niko Gorbachev Was Aware Of The Planned Coup He He Placed The Entire Responsibility For The Safety And Health Of The President On Members Of The Emergency Committee Avalk Demanded The Immediate Convocation Of An Extraordinary Congress Of Feet of Deputies By President Gorbachev Is To Speak You're Listening To The News From Moscow The Commander Of Soviet Troops In Germany Has Reaffirmed That Their With All Is Conducted According To Plan We Defend By The Two Countries The Pullout Is To Be Completed By The End Of 1994 The General Made The Statement At His Wednesday Meeting With Prime Minister Of Brundenburg Manfred Stolper According To An ADN Report Stolper Said It Was Agreed To Maintain Peaceful Neighbourly Relations With Soviet Troops And The German Authorities The Interior Minister Of Brundenburg Alvin Pagel Added That His Governor Feels Responsible For The Security Of Soviet Servicemen Station There And Their Families Another Round Of Talks Between The Soviet Union And Poland About The Withdrawal Of Soviet Troops From Poland Started In Warsaw On Wednesday Though There's Not Yet An Agreement On The Score A Soviet Unit Are Already Being With Draught From The Country A Battalion Of Soviet Troops Left Yesterday The Polis City Of Belograd In The North Of The Country In Compliance With The Plan Consultations Have Started In Beijing Between Soviet Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Belenago And His Chinese Counterpart Yang Shu Jiang They Centre Around A Situation In The Middle East And The Persian Gulf The Two Sides Have Stressed The Importance Of A Comprehensive Settlement The Solution Of The Palestinian Problem And The Convocation Of A Peace Conference For The Purpose The Swiss Police Reported All After That They Arrested One Of The Three Possible Assassins Of The Iranian Leader Shakhpur Bakhtiar The Last Prime Minister Of The Shah Rehim He Lived In Exile In The vicinity Of Paris Shakhpur Bakhtiar Was Assassinated On August 8 The Friends Also Killed His Secretary The Swiss Police Believe That The Detainee Who Has No Documents Is Called Akili Vakili Rad Is One Of The Three Men Who Are The Nost To Visit Bakhtiar In Belgrade The Collective Presidency Of Yugoslavia Is Having A Second Day Of Sessions The The Meeting Is Attended By The Heads Of The Federation's Parliament And Government Delicates From A Number Of Union Secretaries And Presidents Of Yugoslav Republic The Croatia And Bosnia And Herzegovina Are Represented By Their Prime Ministers The Mode Of Operation Of The Government System Throughout The Three Month Moratorium And The Independence Of Slovenia And Croatia Is The Main Item On The Agenda The Government Of Yugoslavia Has Drawn Up A Package Of Measures To That Effect The Bakhtiar News Agency Reports That The Units Of The Ministry Of State Security Of Afghanistan Have Held A Successful Operation On Coming The Suburbs Of Kabul They Seed Ten Ground To Ground Missiles About Fifteen Kilograms Of Explosives Over 70 Various Mines Grenades And Ammunition In The Provinces Of Logar Ghazi And Gilmand Government Troops Made Powerful Blows On The Enemy Concentrations The Mod Hadim Have Sustained Serious Losses The Military Tribunal In New Great Has Started Discussing The Ketel Of The Prison Term Of The Son Of The Romanian Dictator Choushasko Niko Sentenced To Sixteen Years Of Jail For Genocide Against The Romanian People The Man Suffered From Cirrhosis Of The Neve And Required Hospital Treatment The Soviet Rescue Plane That Left Cape Town And Flew To The Antartica To Help The 172 Scientists Jammed In Ice Aboard The Vessel Mikhail Somov Landed This Morning At The Ice Air Field Of The Mola Jorshne Station The Plane Has Delivered An Expedition That Will Carry The Wamping Party To Cape Town From Where They Will Sit Off The Home Of The Soviet Research Vessel The Head Of The Operation Artov Chilling Gaurav Awaits The Plane Arriving In Cape Town On Thursday And Now To End The News The Headlines Once Again Illegal The Actual Removment Of President Gorbachev From Performing His Constitutional Duties And Their Transfer To The Vice President The Commander Of Soviet Troops In Germany Has Confirmed That Their With Draw Is Conducted According To Plan Soviet Chinese Consultations Centering Around Mid Eastern Problems Have Started In Beijing And With Those Headlines We End The News And I Suppose The Experts Out There Can Probably Tell Us What That Music Means The Somber Classical Music Probably Means Something In Radio Moscow Terminology But The News Is Good Tonight People Power Has Prevailed And Things May Get Back To As Normal As They Can Get We'll Be Taking Phone Calls At 212-279-3400 But First The Dedication To The People Who Stood In Front Of Tanks Stood On Top Of Tanks And Got Democracy The Hard Way They Tell Tell me Of Pie Up In The Sky Waiting For Me When I Die But Between The Day You're Born And When You die They Never Seem To Hear Even The Cry So As Sure As The Sun Will Shine I'm Going To Get My Shear Now What's Mine And Then The Harder They Come The Harder They'll Fall One And All Oh The Harder They Come The Harder They'll Fall One And All Well The Oppressors Are Trying To Keep Me Down Trying To Drag Me Underground And They Think That They Have Got The Back One I Say Forgive Them Lord They Know Not What They Done Cause As Sure As The Sun Will Shine I'm Going To Get My Shear Now What's Mine And Then The Harder They Come The Harder They'll Fall One And All The Harder They Come Harder They'll Fall One And All Harder And I Keep On Fighting For The Things I Want Though I Know That When You're Dead You Can But I'd Rather Be A Free Man In My Grave Than Living As A Purpet Or A Slave So As Sure As The Sun Will Shine I I I I Will Get My Share What's Mine And Then The Harder They Come The Harder They'll Fall One And All The Harder They Come Harder They'll Fall One And All Hey The Harder They Come The Harder They'll Fall One And All What I Say Now What I Say Now How Many Of You Would Get Out There And Stand In Front Of An Armored Personnel Carrier You Never Know Until It Happens And Who Knows It Could Happen It Could Happen Anywhere And Of Course It Happens Figuratively Symbolically All All All The Time And You Just Have To Never Back Down From What You Really Believe In And Never Allow Your Beliefs To Be Compromised By People That Either Don't Understand Or Don't Care Or Do Understand And Do Care But In A Very Bad Way Well I Hope The People In Brooklyn Get The Message Too Because There's A lot Of Nonsense Going On Out There I Just Actually Arrived I Decided To Route My Way Through Crown Heights To See Just What Was Going On It Was A Nasty Site Tonight Folks Nasty Site Indeed Just Mobs Of People Running Around Doing All Kinds Of Things And What I Was Particularly Struck By Was Driving Through There Having Several People At Least Four Or Five Different People Running Up To The Car And Saying Go Back Don't Go There You Don't Want To Go Up Ahead And These Are Black People Warning A White Person Not To Get In A Potentially Deadly Confrontation This Is Not About Race Folks This Is Not About Race Black People Do Not Hate White People In This City And Vice Versa It Is About Ignorance It Is About Hatred Stupidity And Racism And It Has Got To Be Wiped Out One Way Or The Other And Certainly Retribution And Strong Words And People Breaking And Looting And Pillaging And Attacking People Based On Color And Religion That Is Not Going To Get Us Any Further We Need A Group Of People To Actually Have The Guts To Stand Up And Say This Is Not Right And The Sooner The Better Okay We're Going To Take Phone Calls At 212-279-3400 Before We Take The First Phone Call However What I Would Like To Do Is Make A Phone Call Or I Should Say Attempt To Make A Phone Call And Let's Try To Actually Get Through To Something Here It's Probably Not Going To Work But We Know That Yes Can I Have The Long Distance Company I Forget Its Name Thank You Oh What A Decrepit Recording Wow Uh Yes Hello I'm Trying To Reach A Number In The Soviet Union Is That Possible I Can Connect You To The I Don't Know What She Has Okay Good Enough Thank You Yes No Circuit Try to Call Later Uh There's No No Circuits Well Thanks So much For For Being So Polite There And Hanging Up Before I Had A Chance To Hear What She Said But That's What Happens If You Try To Call The Soviet Union It's It's Not Easy Not Easy At All Okay 212 279 3400 We're Taking Phone Calls About Well If Anyone Out There Has Been Listening To The Short Wave And Has Heard Anything That Perhaps We Haven't Gotten To To Here On BAI And If Anyone Has Any Thoughts In General We're Trying To Approach This From Sort Of A Technological Angle As As A Technological Program But We'll Allow Some Leeway This Is A Rather Special Occasion Good Evening Waited All That Time To Hang Up Wow Okay Gotta Respect That Good Evening WBAI That's The Station And You're On The Air Okay Emmanuel My Name Is Dave From Lower Westchester You Were Playing A Tape Of Radio Moscow Before I Just Wanted To Let You And Your Listeners Know That Between Now And 10 O'Clock They Can Be Found On The 31 Meter Band 96 85 Kilohertz How How Strong Is That Signal Coming In It Was Kind Of A Little Wavery In Southern Westchester But It Was It Was Solid On The Frequency It Was Not Fading In And Out It Was Just A Weak Signal You Can Definitely Understand The Annuncer At This Point I Think They're In The Middle Of A Music Program But When I Tuned In Right Before You Started Playing Your Radio Moscow Tape They Were Discussing An Alleged Incursion Either A Soviet Incursion Over Japanese Airspace Or Vice Versa What Today Yes Just Now What's Going On Out There Into Japanese Airspace And What Has Happened As A Result Of This I Had To Make A Choice Of Either Listening To That Or Listening To You And It Was Like At The End Of The Report And There Was Like No Information I See Okay Well That's Something We've Got To Keep Our Eye Upon Then To Shoot It Down Was Made Say That Again They're Basically Saying That No Attempt To To Intercept Or Shoot Down Or Anything Like That Was Made They Just Left It At That This Is A So Your Aircraft Going Into Japanese Air Space That That That Is The Impression That I Got The Radio Moscow Was Saying That The Japanese Were Claiming This I See And Was This A Passenger Liner Or These Were Military Craft Military Craft Okay That Frequency Again Was 96 85 Kilohertz In The 31 Meter Band That Frequency Should Be Good Until 10 O'clock This Evening Okay And Do You Know What Frequency They Go To After That No I Have A List Of Them I Use The World Radio TV Handbook I'm Using Last Year's Edition So Some Of Frequencies Have Changed They Do Change From Year To Year Incidentally That's A Publication That I Recommend To Any Of Your Listeners Who Have Shortwave Yes I Agree Can You Read Off The Address It's Probably In Available In Quite A Number Of Book Stores I Recommend Walking Into Any B Dalton Or Barnes Noble Or Just About Any Of The Major Bookseller Chains Okay Also Another Good Book For That Kind Of Thing Is Passport To World Band Radio Which Also It Gives You An Incredible Chart As To What Is On Every Frequency What Language They're Speaking What Service Where They're Aiming And The Power That They Actually Are Transmitting From Incredible Amount Of Information And You Can Probably Find That In The Same Place But I Know That Barry Electronics Has It On Broadway Downtown So They They Carry Those Publications Any Radio Ham Radio Kind Of Korea Islands Which Are Disputed Between The Soviets And The Japanese That's Quite Possible Just Wondering Why All These Things Are Happening In Such Quick Succession Okay I Was Wondering I Have A Question I Have A Yugoslavian Friend And I Like Your Opinion On This He We Had A Discussion On Monday What Fallout This Attempted Coup And It Look Like It Was Successful On Monday Morning It Would Have On The Yugoslavian Situation In Other Words Would The Central Government In Yugoslavia Take This As A Cue To Crack Down On The Secessionist Republic Of Croatia And Slovenia In The Same Way That It Looked Like The Hard Liners In Moscow Were Going To Well I Don't Know If This Is Simply Because Of The Way The Media Has Been Covering It And What So Of Shock Silence Coming From The Yugoslavs Of All Kinds As They See What's Going On In The Soviet Because The Soviet Union I See I See Yugoslavia As Kind Of Take Take Take Over The Fight Not To Say That The Soviets Are Parents To The Yugoslavs Although In A Way That's The Way It's Been Over The Past Couple Of Decades I Don't Know It's It's Something That I Think The Whole World Sort Of Takes A Look At This You Notice That Not Much Else Was Happening Conflict Wise In Other Parts Of The Globe Everyone Just Wanted To See How This Was Going To Turn Out Now I Think You Might See Some Reaction But I Don't Know What Kind Of A Reaction You're Going To Get From Yugoslavia I Saw Vladimir Posner On TV Yesterday And It Was Interesting Because He Came Out Very Firmly Against The Coup And I Was Wondering How They Were Going To Do This Because Radio Moscow Of Of Course Seemed To Be In Favor Of The Coup Yesterday And Of Course Today They Don't I Mean Who Pays For Vladimir Posner You Know He's Part Of The Soviet Regime Whatever That May Be So He Has To Pretty Much Figure Out What Side He's Going To Be On Or Someone Has To Tell Him What Side To Be On I Don't Know How It Works But As Of Yesterday 279-3400 That's Our Telephone Number Area Code 212 Program Is Off The Hook We're On The Air For Another 13 Minutes Good Evening Hey Emmanuel How You Doing How Are You Actually After About Two Years Of Dilly Dallying I Finally Went Out About A Week Go And Bought Myself A Short Wave Well You Couldn't Have Done It At A Better Time Really Some Sort Of Presence Maybe Anyhow I Don't Have Any News To Contribute But Have Some Frequencies Your Listeners Might Be Interested In Well That's Certainly News Go Ahead Okay Now I'm Going To Hate Myself For This But I Really Didn't Pay Much Attention To Moscow During The Last Couple Of Days I Relied More On The BBC Well The BBC Had Excellent Coverage Although In Retrospect Just As A Historical Document I Should Have Listened To It At Any Rate I Got It On The 19th I Guess It Is Monday I Tuned In At 834 Our Time I Have Two Frequencies Down Here 11 7 10 This Is Kilohertz Yeah I Was Listening To 11 7 10 I Think 11 9 You Also I Sorry 11 7 10 I Also In Parentheses Here 11 7 80 11 9 80 Do You Have That One No I Just Had These Two It Was The Color That You Had Before Describing What A Signal Was Like It Was Like That It Was Wavering Some It Was Pretty Weak Right Okay So At Any Right That That's My Frequencies For Moscow I Also Have Radio Beijing And Radio Prague I Don't Know If Those Are Esoterical Radio Radio Prague Certainly Would Be Interesting In A Time Like This Because They're Keeping A Very Close Eye In The Situation Beijing I Don't Know I Don't Really Believe Anything To Come Out Of Radio Beijing These Days Why don't You Give Us Radio Prague Okay Radio Prague Let's See I Was Listening To This I Had This Down On The 14th This Is A While ago Let's See I'm Keeping My Time In Universal Time I Radio Prague Frequency Was 5930 Kilohertz And If I Remember Correctly That's A Very Strong Signal Is It Not It Was Surprisingly Strong I Haven't Been In The Short Wave Hobby For More Than A Week I Do Know That All The European World Services Broadcast Between 5900 And 6200 I Mean At Night When The Signal Path Is Dark You Know It's It's Buzzing Well That's A Very Good Slice Right There You Have Radio Netherlands BBC Netherlands Is Very Good Too Right I Haven't Heard Their Coverage Of This But They've Been Good In The Past And Oh And By I Don't Just Like You I Don't Believe Anything Coming Out Of Beijing Right Now But Just For Just For Interest Maybe I Could Just Give The Frequency Sure Go Ahead Okay That Was At 11675 Also Have 11685 Down Here Sometimes You Can Sort Of Float Around Within A 5 Or 10 Kilohertz Range So As I Said That's Beijing At 11675 And 11685 I Was Listening To That At About 1230 Half Hour After Midnight You Also Get Taiwan A Couple Of Times They're Carried By A Religious Station In The United States So They Come In Very Well Oh You Mean It's Relay To The Transmitters Within The States Yeah Just Like A Lot Of Radio Moscow Broadcast Come Out Of Havana But For Some reason Cuban Radio Comes In Terribly In This Country I Have Not Been Able To Get It I Mean My Antenna Is Stretched Along My Wall It's Taped I Don't Have Access To The Outside So I Don't Know How Much Of A Handicap That Is It's It's A Significant Handicap Because Really All You Have To Do And This Is What We Did Yesterday With An Emergency Situation We Strung Some Speaker Wire Out The Window Maybe About 25 Feet Worth And We Simply Tied It It It Was Going Down In A Pretty Sharp Diagonal You Just Tied It To The Nearest Tree And You Could See The Difference As Soon As You Plugged It Into The Short Wave There Were Incredible Things Coming In You Don't Need A Very Elaborate Setup You Can Make Do With What You Have If You Can Just Get Out A Little Bit You See Quite A Difference One More Thing By The Right Before I Got Short Wave I Got This Book I Think You Listeners Are Probably Familiar With It It Came Out In 86 The Last Edition It Called The Complete Short Wave Listener's Handbook Is This Okay If I Mention The Title In The Yeah Go Ahead I Haven't Heard Of That One Yeah It It Called The Complete Short Wave Listener's Handbook Third Edition By Hank Bennett Harry Helms Who Oh David Hardy Harry Helms By The Way Has This Underground Frequency Guide Out That I Got Through I Got Through Loon Panics Some Of You I Don't Know If You Are You Are Why Don't You Just Give Us That Address Because We Have To Move On To Some Other Calls Oh Okay Of The Address Of Whatever Book It Is Oh The Book Okay I Well The I I I Blue Ridge Summit Three Words Pennsylvania Okay 17294 Dash 0850 Okay And what bookstore Did you get that in I got that at Coliseum Books Downstairs Okay They're a really Really good bookstore On A Seventh I believe No Broadway And 57th Or somewhere Around there They're on the corner Okay We're going to move on Some more questions Okay Thanks a lot Emmanuel Take care Okay Thanks for the information 279-3400 Let's try to get through these Good evening Evening to you How are you Doing okay I have a couple of questions And a few comments Okay Go ahead I need the address To 2600 And Loon Panics If you have it Okay I don't have Loon Panics With me Since I work for 2600 That one I have in my head Loon Panics I'm sure somebody Another listener Will call in with that information If not You can Certainly get it From a bookstore Okay 2600 is at Post Office Box 752 In Middle Island New York Zip 11953 Ordinarily I would give a phone number out But since there's no power At 2600 You won't get anything Except a ring The reason why They don't have power Right now You know Why the phones keep working Phones run on batteries Yeah Well I mean That's why the phone System works But why do the wires Never come down That's my question Ah That's true Yeah Build them closer to the ground I don't know if that's the reason But it's a theory You were asking about alternative forms of communication And I found a very nice phenomenon You know how they have all these 900 numbers Where you can talk to six, seven people at once Right And I found some chat systems That work with the computer And they don't really cost a lot Uh huh Well it depends what you're running it on I mean if you're on a Unix system You know it might not cost anything at all If you're running it through a particular school Or something like that Ah no actually A lot of these are run out of people's houses You got a number of them here in Jersey A couple in New York Well if they want to be publicized If you send a number into the magazine We'll print it We'll publicize it And more people can take advantage of it Sounds good If that's what they want Alright Can I give a number out or no? Ah sure give a number out If it's a number that wants to be given out Go ahead Ah yeah well okay We got a system in New Jersey It's called The Jungle It's a 10 line chat system And the number is area code 201 694-5081 And that's 3 to 2400 baud Okay Thanks for the information Let's uh Take a couple more calls Good evening Okay Uh I'm going to have to rush Since we come to the end of the show Radio Havana Cuba Can be gotten at 11950 It's on right now They're playing music Uh Radio Moscow Uh You could get 9685 And 31 meter band Is probably the best Also at 11735 And 11850 Are those on now? Those are on now But the one that the previous caller gave Is probably the best They're all three on now They're all listed In uh Pop the communications list Frequencies Quarterly Uh Where you can get it And they seem to be very low key The American network Seem to be giving the whole coup Much more of a play Than the Radio Moscow World Service Because they went to their Regularly scheduled Classical music hour What they're doing now And at 10 o'clock our time They're supposed to be Going back to the news And even the news briefs Were very matter of fact And before that They seemed to have A routine report On what's happening In North Korea And relations with them And so on It was very very low key The American network Is having specials And uh All sorts of uh Things that are going on Sir let me ask you one question Is there any frequency Below 9685 That uh Comes on later That comes on later I uh Well 9530 Is listed Um I'm looking in the list Right now I don't see any But 9685 Seem to be the most Listenable I got it in Northern Manhattan Fairly strong But with Intermittent interference So But it's It's listenable Okay If you listen closely to it Thanks for the information And also an antenna I just have about 20 odd feet of copper wire Running inside the apartment Because if you're in an apartment Like most of us You can just run copper wire All throughout the The apartment And the ceiling It doesn't take up any space And you'll Dramatically improve The reception If you're unable To go outdoors Okay Thanks again for the information And uh I hope everybody got that down Let's go for one more phone call Everybody else We're really sorry about Good evening You're the winner Hi I'm Manny How you doing? Yeah listen You have a very great program Going here tonight Especially with the From Radio Moscow Uh huh The thing I was Wondering about Where's some of your BAI news department With all this blood running In the streets of Brooklyn Uh Where are they? I mean I know they are Running around in Brooklyn Are you saying they should be Or shouldn't be? Uh BAI That's where you always turn To get all the information On any subject Except it's your show Uh huh It's really great But here's an emergency Occurring downtown And it's not a worry Oh no wait Wait a minute Wait a minute Let me tell you something I was driving through That emergency before And I can tell you I was listening to WCBS WINS and WBAI And CBS and INS Had maybe 30 second spots on it BAI had something like A 10 minute piece And if you missed it I think I heard the Caller calling in From the phone booth Right That isn't coverage Like they are expected to do And uh Your program Great show I've been listening to you Since it came on Every week And uh It's really uh Interesting To find out more things About Things I didn't know about Okay well that's what we're here for Thanks for calling And thanks for listening And again folks If you missed the thing On uh On what's going on In Brooklyn The news will be repeated At 11 o'clock tonight And there'll be uh Periodic updates As uh Situation warrants That's gonna just about Do it for us here tonight On uh Off the hook Again sorry to everybody We didn't get a chance To get to And thanks for uh All the information That did come in tonight Keep listening to those Shortwave radios Keep listening to uh To everything else as well And pass the information On to us And to those around you Off the hook We'll be back Next Wednesday 9pm Stay tuned for the Computer show I hope that's understood Bonded in the boat Bonded in the boat This night And next up is going to be The Computer Show. 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