Off The Hook - 1992-07-22

[00:03.210 --> 00:04.550]  [SPEAKER_04]: ...cancer of the gums.
[00:04.810 --> 00:09.490]  [SPEAKER_04]: So there are certain therapies that you should avoid, even the therapies of established medicine.
[00:09.730 --> 00:23.690]  [SPEAKER_04]: But let me say one thing, and there is a rule of thumb, and that is if you are faced with a life-threatening situation, if you are in an auto accident, if you're suffering from internal bleeding, then for God's sake, go first for the conventional therapy.
[00:23.850 --> 00:27.790]  [SPEAKER_04]: For example, even x-rays if you're in a car accident, if it's life-threatening.
[00:28.010 --> 00:33.430]  [SPEAKER_04]: If you have cancer, for example, of course, you can always try an anti-cancer diet.
[00:33.550 --> 00:42.790]  [SPEAKER_04]: But if you already have cancer, then give serious thought to the conventional therapies, no matter how hideous they are, because at the present time there is no cure for cancer.
[00:43.050 --> 00:48.590]  [SPEAKER_04]: In fact, we hardly even know exactly the mechanisms that cause cancer, let alone given a cure for it.
[00:48.750 --> 00:51.750]  [SPEAKER_04]: So once again, there are crazy therapies out there.
[00:51.830 --> 00:54.850]  [SPEAKER_04]: However, the kernel of new age medicine is basically correct.
[00:55.130 --> 01:13.210]  [SPEAKER_04]: The AMA has been slow, very slow, to realize the virtues of a low-fat, high-fiber, vitamin-rich, vegetable-rich diet, for the very simple reason that many doctors and researchers are on the payroll of the food industry, which of course wants you to eat a high diet fat,
[01:13.450 --> 01:15.650]  [SPEAKER_04]: high in fats and high in sugars.
[01:16.210 --> 01:19.350]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, unfortunately, that's all we have time left in exploration.
[01:19.770 --> 01:25.570]  [SPEAKER_04]: This is Dr. Michio Kaku, professor of nuclear physics at the City University of New York.
[01:25.570 --> 01:36.350]  [SPEAKER_04]: And once again, every Wednesday evening from 8 o'clock to 9 o'clock on Exploration, we discuss the issue of science, as well as war, peace, and the environment.
[01:36.610 --> 01:37.090]  [SPEAKER_04]: Good evening.
[01:47.660 --> 01:57.600]  [SPEAKER_01]: Come to WBAI's special screening of the documentary film Incident at Oglala on Sunday, July 26, at the New Community Cinema in Huntington, Long Island.
[01:57.760 --> 02:09.320]  [SPEAKER_01]: After the film, we'll have a panel discussion about the continuous attacks on the American Indian movement and media representations of Native Americans with Gustavo Ravensilva, host of Circle of Red Nations.
[02:09.700 --> 02:16.540]  [SPEAKER_01]: Ingrid Wachinawatuk of the Indigenous Women's Network, Shinnecock attorney Roberta Hunter, and William Kunstler.
[02:16.880 --> 02:27.440]  [SPEAKER_00]: As some of you may know, Leonard Peltier was convicted of the murders of two FBI agents on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in 1975.
[02:28.700 --> 02:39.880]  [SPEAKER_00]: He was convicted on the basis of information that was withheld from the jury that his weapon could not possibly have been the murder weapon.
[02:40.340 --> 02:49.260]  [SPEAKER_01]: Incident at Oglala, a benefit screening for WBAI with the Leonard Peltier Defense Committee, Sunday, July 26, at 7.30 p.m.
[02:49.260 --> 02:57.440]  [SPEAKER_01]: For ticket and transportation information, call the New Community Cinema at area code 516-423-7610.
[02:57.740 --> 03:02.160]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's area code 516-423-7610.
[03:05.780 --> 03:07.440]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's nine o'clock.
[03:07.780 --> 03:11.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: Time for another exciting episode of Off the Hook.
[04:26.300 --> 04:27.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that was a speeding Metroliner.
[04:27.920 --> 04:32.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't quite know how it got in there, but all kinds of unusual things can happen here.
[04:53.590 --> 04:55.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: The program is Off the Hook.
[04:55.310 --> 04:56.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: This is Emmanuel Goldstein.
[04:57.330 --> 05:11.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: And we're together until 10 o'clock talking about all kinds of neat developments and not-so-neat developments in the world of high-tech and the sometimes unpredictable things that happen in that particular world.
[05:11.630 --> 05:12.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: Stay with us.
[05:12.550 --> 05:14.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: We've got a lot of interesting things to talk about today.
[06:04.630 --> 06:11.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, a couple of weeks ago when we did a program, we mentioned some late-breaking news involving hacker raids.
[06:12.110 --> 06:13.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, not hacker raids.
[06:13.070 --> 06:15.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: This time, the second step, hacker indictments.
[06:16.130 --> 06:21.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that leads to the third and fourth steps, hacker trials and hacker sentencing.
[06:21.810 --> 06:25.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: Since there's usually a fourth step, you know how the third step goes most of the time.
[06:26.690 --> 06:33.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have a couple of things we didn't know about then that we'd like to pass on to you.
[06:35.450 --> 06:41.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: The most disturbing is what the Associated Press did with the story they were given.
[06:41.950 --> 06:51.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, if the Associated Press gets everything wrong to this degree, then I guarantee you, you're not hearing anything about what's really going on out there.
[06:51.170 --> 06:58.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, a couple of weeks ago, actually it was two weeks ago today, that the indictments were handed down.
[06:58.850 --> 07:06.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: And these were all kinds of crazy accusations for all kinds of potential terrorist acts, I suppose.
[07:07.350 --> 07:17.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the things that the indictments said was that these computer pranksters had left a message on a computer...
[07:18.110 --> 07:22.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: just a computer system, not a bulletin board system, just a regular computer system.
[07:22.430 --> 07:37.770]  [SPEAKER_02]: A couple of years ago, on a Channel 4 TV show, News 4 New York, the 11 o'clock news, I believe, a couple of these hackers mentioned, or at least one of them mentioned, that they had left a prank message on a computer system that said, Happy Thanksgiving,
[07:37.770 --> 07:38.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: you turkeys.
[07:41.050 --> 07:42.930]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that was really it.
[07:43.270 --> 07:48.810]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, just a prank message left on a computer system that had absolutely no security and no way to prevent the prank message from being left.
[07:49.150 --> 07:51.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: What did the Associated Press do with this?
[07:52.570 --> 07:55.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they changed it just a little bit.
[07:55.630 --> 08:12.330]  [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of somebody on a Channel 4 news show saying that they left a prank message saying, Happy Thanksgiving, you turkeys, on a computer system, they reported that a couple of years ago, coast to coast, on the NBC TV network, a message flashed over the screen saying,
[08:12.470 --> 08:13.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: Happy Thanksgiving, you turkeys.
[08:15.590 --> 08:32.630]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I know who the turkeys in this case are, but it's a sad thing to report when, really, the equivalent of our TAS news agency, because it really is the only news agency in this country, when they can't get something that's portrayed so clearly to them,
[08:32.690 --> 08:37.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: you wonder, how can they ever possibly interpret the various nuances that require some intelligence?
[08:37.950 --> 08:40.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: This didn't require any intelligence, and they still got it wrong.
[08:41.490 --> 08:55.210]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, well, as we mentioned last time, one of the inditees is a frequent guest on this program named Fiberoptic, and for those of you that have expressed concern, Fiberoptic is alive and he is well.
[08:55.350 --> 08:56.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, he is here right now.
[08:56.690 --> 09:01.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: I've advised him not to say too much, so I'll let him say whatever he feels like saying right now.
[09:02.590 --> 09:04.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd just like to say hello to all the listeners.
[09:04.850 --> 09:06.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: I am alive and well.
[09:07.110 --> 09:08.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not in jail.
[09:08.870 --> 09:14.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'd like to say that myself and my attorney will vigorously contest the charges.
[09:15.650 --> 09:16.190]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[09:16.470 --> 09:17.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well said.
[09:17.210 --> 09:22.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's really all he can say right now, folks, because that's how the legal business works.
[09:22.490 --> 09:32.330]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, when you call in, uh, feel free to express your regards, but, uh, just don't expect a response, because, uh, you never know what can be read into a response.
[09:33.090 --> 09:33.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: Conspiracy, you know?
[09:33.810 --> 09:34.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're all part of the conspiracy.
[09:35.390 --> 09:40.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: WBAI listeners could get, uh, charges in the mail because, uh, uh, they, they support this kind of thing.
[09:40.630 --> 09:41.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows?
[09:42.130 --> 09:56.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, uh, it's a sad situation, but it's also, as most sad situations are, an inspiring situation, because you realize, with all the garbage going on in the world, that, uh, we don't have to sit back and just allow it to happen to us.
[09:56.350 --> 09:58.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: We can change things.
[09:58.670 --> 10:03.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: It takes time to change things, but we can start changing things by getting angry.
[10:04.830 --> 10:06.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is where the anger begins.
[10:07.630 --> 10:16.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I don't want to sound like an opportunist here or somebody, uh, tying in a product with this particular, uh, series of unfortunate events.
[10:16.290 --> 10:23.250]  [SPEAKER_02]: But, the fact of the matter is, if you don't support the radio station, we're not going to have the voice to tell you about these things.
[10:23.630 --> 10:33.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, please give a call to 212-279-3400 and pledge whatever you can afford, because every bit counts, every bit will go towards, uh, keeping the station going.
[10:33.410 --> 10:37.190]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, uh, you know, it's not the easiest thing in the world to keep a station like this going.
[10:37.210 --> 10:45.930]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of things that, uh, that keep coming up, that keep getting in the way, electric and transmitter problems, and you just don't want to hear the whole sordid detail.
[10:46.050 --> 10:53.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't, uh, get rich off this, we don't even get poor off this, because we don't get anything out of this except the satisfaction of, uh, of reaching our listeners.
[10:54.550 --> 11:04.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: 212-279-3400, we've got no calls on the line there, and we'd like to see, uh, some response to start off the show, because we've got a, uh, a bunch of interesting things to tell you.
[11:04.490 --> 11:10.710]  [SPEAKER_02]: A bunch of things that, uh, well, if we were not here, you wouldn't have known about them in any other way, let's put it that way.
[11:10.890 --> 11:16.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: Where else can you hear, uh, from a computer hacker facing, uh, what is it, 55 years in jail?
[11:16.710 --> 11:20.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: 55 years in jail for, uh, for, for God knows what.
[11:21.170 --> 11:22.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: And $2.5 million fine.
[11:23.630 --> 11:28.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't hear that on the, uh, on the major radio stations that sell commercials.
[11:28.590 --> 11:32.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't hear that on the, uh, TV stations either, because they're not interested.
[11:32.830 --> 11:34.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing in it for them.
[11:34.370 --> 11:41.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: But we like to think there's something in it for you to hear freedom of speech, to hear, uh, the other side of just about every story that we can find.
[11:41.990 --> 11:42.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: Please support that.
[11:43.170 --> 11:45.510]  [SPEAKER_02]: 2-1-2-2-7-9-3-4-100.
[11:45.730 --> 11:48.250]  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, you don't have to dial the 2-1-2 if you're in 2-1-2.
[11:48.430 --> 11:52.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, and those of you up in the Bronx, uh, welcome to the 718 area code.
[11:53.110 --> 11:54.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: But you still have to dial 2-1-2.
[11:54.710 --> 11:55.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the way it is.
[11:56.510 --> 11:58.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, 2-1-2-2-7-9-3-4-100.
[11:58.570 --> 12:05.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, I say when we get three calls there, we'll move on to, uh, to the rest of, uh, of this particular program.
[12:05.870 --> 12:09.730]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, there are attacks going on left and right on, on freedom of speech.
[12:09.850 --> 12:21.030]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right now it's taking place on computer hackers and other adventurers, uh, who discover things that perhaps are best left undiscovered in the eyes of some.
[12:21.890 --> 12:24.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they may win.
[12:24.290 --> 12:28.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: They may win against computer hackers because it's really kind of hard for them to defend themselves.
[12:28.650 --> 12:33.130]  [SPEAKER_02]: For the most part, they're people in their, their teens, twenties, that kind of thing.
[12:33.410 --> 12:38.870]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the easiest thing in the world to stand up to the, uh, federal government and all the other agencies that come after them.
[12:39.850 --> 12:45.330]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, if, uh, they are successful with computer hackers, who do you think they'll come for next?
[12:45.610 --> 12:47.870]  [SPEAKER_02]: Who do you think they will try to silence next?
[12:48.690 --> 12:51.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it could definitely be, uh, somebody you know.
[12:51.430 --> 13:03.930]  [SPEAKER_02]: It can be something that you appreciate, whether it be, uh, uh, someone who paints the wrong kind of pictures or, uh, writes the wrong kind of books, puts out the wrong kind of records, or even looks the wrong way themselves.
[13:05.470 --> 13:19.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: We may, uh, sound like we're hysterical and like, uh, we're all paranoid of conspiracy theories and things like that, but, uh, we're living on the front lines and it's something that, uh, you should be concerned with.
[13:19.770 --> 13:21.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: And you can support our efforts.
[13:22.090 --> 13:38.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can support the efforts of, uh, this entire radio station because what we have here is a, a vast array of communities that come together and share information, put it into, uh, a whole mishmash of, uh, eclectic programming.
[13:38.630 --> 13:41.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: But, it's a common bond between us all.
[13:41.410 --> 13:44.330]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that common bond is, uh, is freedom.
[13:44.790 --> 13:54.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's freedom to express ourselves, freedom to communicate amongst ourselves, and, uh, freedom to express ourselves to the people out there.
[13:54.550 --> 13:57.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: So please, give us a call, 212-279-3400.
[13:58.510 --> 14:05.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we have all kinds of, uh, interesting things to, uh, uh, to send to you as a thank you for your call.
[14:05.670 --> 14:09.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: But the most important thing right now is to, uh, make those phones ring.
[14:09.350 --> 14:10.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll take phone calls later.
[14:11.030 --> 14:13.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: I see the phone, the phone-in lines are full.
[14:13.270 --> 14:14.130]  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course they're full.
[14:14.550 --> 14:16.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, we need for those other lines to be full.
[14:16.670 --> 14:17.970]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're only doing this for one week.
[14:18.510 --> 14:20.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, uh, kind of an emergency thing.
[14:20.490 --> 14:22.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, show that you're there for us.
[14:22.870 --> 14:26.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: Because, uh, if you're not there for us, you know, why are we here?
[14:27.050 --> 14:29.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: We have to start asking ourselves these questions.
[14:29.610 --> 14:31.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: And before you know it, we have all kinds of self-doubts.
[14:31.770 --> 14:38.710]  [SPEAKER_02]: And when you have self-doubts, that's when you, um, that's when you lose whatever it is that you stood for.
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[14:58.150 --> 15:00.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, all kinds of other, uh, exciting things.
[15:02.130 --> 15:03.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: Please give us a call.
[15:03.230 --> 15:05.250]  [SPEAKER_02]: 2-2-2-7-9-3-4-100.
[15:05.710 --> 15:07.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: Still waiting for those calls to come in.
[15:07.710 --> 15:08.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: We know you're out there.
[15:09.410 --> 15:16.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we're going to, uh, share some, some more disturbing information with the people out there.
[15:18.190 --> 15:21.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully, uh, this will illustrate just what it is we're talking about.
[15:23.330 --> 15:32.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we, uh, over at, uh, the Hacker Quarterly 2600 Magazine, always treading on, uh, on people's toes.
[15:32.390 --> 15:34.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: Mostly large corporations' toes.
[15:35.710 --> 15:38.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, other parts of their anatomies too, I suppose.
[15:39.550 --> 15:45.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's the kind of thing that, uh, that we do because, well, we have to do it.
[15:46.090 --> 15:53.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if we don't go out there and if we don't find out things, and if we don't report them to the public, who will?
[15:53.750 --> 16:00.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Time Magazine is not going to tell you, uh, that your cellular phone calls can be listened in on.
[16:00.590 --> 16:06.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they may tell you after a long period of time has gone by and after a lot of people have listened in and after a few senators have complained.
[16:07.590 --> 16:10.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, we'll tell you well before then.
[16:10.990 --> 16:12.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: Will anybody listen?
[16:12.290 --> 16:13.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's something else.
[16:13.430 --> 16:14.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: But we have to try.
[16:14.770 --> 16:16.730]  [SPEAKER_02]: And we have to reach the people that care.
[16:16.910 --> 16:18.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: And we know there's a lot of people out there.
[16:19.250 --> 16:24.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: With that in mind, last winter we published an article about a security hole.
[16:24.010 --> 16:31.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: and, uh, the security hole concerned something called, uh, busy line verification BLV.
[16:32.270 --> 16:40.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: And a way that, uh, operators and other people can access this and actually spy on people's phone lines.
[16:41.550 --> 16:48.810]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this information was given to us through internal documents and, uh, memorandum.
[16:48.810 --> 16:51.730]  [SPEAKER_02]: that was forwarded anonymously to us.
[16:52.510 --> 16:54.730]  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously from some kind of insider at Bellcore.
[16:55.870 --> 16:59.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: And we printed an article based upon that.
[17:00.990 --> 17:02.810]  [SPEAKER_02]: And the article was well received.
[17:03.050 --> 17:04.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: We, uh, we had compliments on it.
[17:05.110 --> 17:06.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: People were very interested in it.
[17:07.310 --> 17:09.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it also caught the attention of Bellcore.
[17:10.350 --> 17:14.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: Who, last week, sent us a certified threat.
[17:16.670 --> 17:23.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, the post office doesn't have a term for that, but, uh, it's certified mail, but usually when you get certified mail, there's a threat in there somewhere.
[17:24.090 --> 17:25.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, there's a threat in here.
[17:25.370 --> 17:26.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to read it to you.
[17:26.610 --> 17:32.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: It comes from one of their intellectual property matter general attorneys.
[17:33.510 --> 17:45.730]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is, uh, this is a direct attack on, uh, on the magazine and on anybody that, uh, reads the magazine and benefits from it.
[17:45.870 --> 17:49.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: And anybody that listens to this show and benefits from the kinds of things we talk about.
[17:49.930 --> 17:55.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: Because we talk about this kind of thing all the time and they do not like it.
[17:56.190 --> 17:56.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[17:57.350 --> 17:58.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: Dressed to me, Emmanuel Goldstein.
[17:59.370 --> 18:12.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: Dear Mr. Goldstein, it has come to our attention that you have somehow obtained and published in the 1991-92 winter edition of 2600 magazine portions of certain Bellcore proprietary internal documents.
[18:12.790 --> 18:35.190]  [SPEAKER_02]: This letter is to formally advise you that if, at any time in the future, you or your magazine come into possession of, publish, or otherwise disclose any Bellcore information or documentation which either, one, you have any reason to believe is proprietary to Bellcore or has not been made publicly available by Bellcore,
[18:35.490 --> 18:42.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: or two, is marked proprietary, confidential, restricted, or with any other legend.
[18:43.330 --> 18:58.250]  [SPEAKER_02]: Denoting Bellcore's proprietary interest therein, Bellcore will vigorously pursue all legal remedies available to it, including, but not limited to, injunctive relief and monetary damages against you, your magazine, and its sources.
[18:59.130 --> 19:02.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: We trust that you fully understand Bellcore's position on this matter.
[19:02.990 --> 19:04.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: Signed, Leonard Charles Suck-Ya.
[19:06.010 --> 19:07.570]  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope I pronounced that right.
[19:09.070 --> 19:09.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: that's the letter.
[19:10.810 --> 19:16.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, it definitely got a reaction over at the office.
[19:16.810 --> 19:18.210]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's gotten quite a bit of response.
[19:18.390 --> 19:28.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: We've posted this letter over, throughout the Internet and on various computer systems because we believe this is something else that people have the right to know about.
[19:29.850 --> 19:33.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully people out there are benefiting from this knowledge right now.
[19:34.050 --> 19:34.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: They're angry.
[19:35.150 --> 19:40.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't want us to be printing information about their particular organization.
[19:40.430 --> 19:50.330]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's amazing the gall that they have to actually expect us to listen to this.
[19:50.430 --> 20:02.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: This is complete nonsense to tell somebody that they have to obey their corporate rules, even when they're not in any remote way a part of the corporation.
[20:02.610 --> 20:12.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: If we come into possession of a document, if somebody gives us a document that they don't want us to have, in their eyes we are guilty of something.
[20:13.250 --> 20:15.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: And we should be charged with something.
[20:16.230 --> 20:30.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: And if we look at these documents, and if we write about what is in the documents as is expected of us, then we're facing all kinds of legal problems.
[20:30.910 --> 20:40.230]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now when Belcour says they will pursue all legal remedies available to it, they've got quite a few legal remedies.
[20:42.110 --> 20:51.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't mean they're right, but in this world of lawsuits and counter lawsuits, they have quite a few at their disposal and quite a lot of money to waste.
[20:52.410 --> 21:01.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: Why else do you think that such inflated figures such as the $80,000 for the memo that wound up being worth about $13?
[21:02.950 --> 21:05.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you think that figure was allowed to stand in court?
[21:05.470 --> 21:08.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: Because Belcour has good lawyers.
[21:09.610 --> 21:12.210]  [SPEAKER_02]: Good lawyers that can tell lies and get away with it.
[21:14.610 --> 21:15.230]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[21:16.750 --> 21:28.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now we're going to read you the response, which should now be in the hands of Belcour, and which also will be printed in our upcoming issue, along with the original letter.
[21:29.470 --> 21:31.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: address to Mr. Suchia.
[21:33.350 --> 21:39.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: We are sorry that the information published in the winter 9192 issue of 2600 disturbs you.
[21:39.690 --> 21:51.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: Since you do not specify which article you take exception to, we must assume that you're referring to our revelation of built-in privacy halls in the telephone infrastructure which appeared on page 42.
[21:52.510 --> 21:58.210]  [SPEAKER_02]: In that piece, we quoted from the internal Belcour memo as well as Bel operating company documents.
[21:58.930 --> 22:01.190]  [SPEAKER_02]: This is not the first time we have done this.
[22:01.470 --> 22:03.630]  [SPEAKER_02]: It will not be the last.
[22:04.870 --> 22:11.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: We recognize that it must be troubling to you when a journal like ours publishes potentially embarrassing information of the sort described above.
[22:11.830 --> 22:19.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: But as journalists, we have a certain obligation that cannot be cast aside every time a large and powerful entity gets annoyed.
[22:20.270 --> 22:27.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: That obligation compels us to report the facts as we know them to our readers who have a keen interest in this subject matter.
[22:28.270 --> 22:39.810]  [SPEAKER_02]: If, as is often the case, documents, memoranda, and or bits of information and other forms are leaked to us, we have every right to report on the contents therein.
[22:41.730 --> 22:48.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: If you find fault with this logic, your argument lies not with us, but with the general concept of a free press.
[22:49.850 --> 23:05.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: And as a lawyer specializing in intellectual property law, you know that you cannot in good faith claim that merely stamping proprietary or secret on a document establishes that document as a trade secret or as proprietary information.
[23:07.410 --> 23:25.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: In the absence of a specific explanation to the contrary, we must assume that information about the publicly supported telephone system and infrastructure is of public importance, response, and that Belcorp will have difficulty establishing in court that any information in our magazine can benefit Belcorp's competitors.
[23:26.070 --> 23:28.730]  [SPEAKER_02]: If indeed, Belcorp has any competitors.
[23:30.470 --> 23:47.510]  [SPEAKER_02]: If in fact you choose to challenge our First Amendment rights to disseminate important information about the telephone infrastructure, we will be compelled to respond by seeking all legal remedies against you, which may include sanctions provided for in federal and state statutes and rules of civil procedure.
[23:48.390 --> 23:55.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: We will also be compelled to publicize your use of lawsuits and the threat of legal action to harass and intimidate.
[23:58.050 --> 24:01.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is a reply of 2600 Magazine to Belcorp.
[24:06.210 --> 24:09.970]  [SPEAKER_02]: And we have started to let people know about this.
[24:12.050 --> 24:25.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I have to say seriously, if you're listening to this and you're as upset as I am, as upset as I think you should be, consider the fact that at least you're able to hear about it.
[24:28.090 --> 24:31.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: And think of what would happen if you could not hear about it.
[24:32.430 --> 24:40.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're not like the religious broadcasters who, I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but they're really selling a product.
[24:41.990 --> 24:56.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you're constantly harping on the same thing and selling your books and your tapes and garbage like that and making a profit off of it, even though you don't have to pay any taxes, it's not the same thing.
[24:56.390 --> 24:57.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're fighting for our survival here.
[24:58.290 --> 25:02.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if we don't raise enough money, then something bad will happen.
[25:02.690 --> 25:04.870]  [SPEAKER_02]: We won't fix the transmitter when it needs fixing.
[25:05.190 --> 25:09.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the transmitter will blow up something a few weeks from now or a few months from now.
[25:09.490 --> 25:13.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, we need to hear from the people out there.
[25:13.410 --> 25:15.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: 212-279-3400.
[25:15.150 --> 25:24.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get a flurry of calls and we can continue with the program and take some more calls and share some other bits of information too because that's certainly not all that's been happening.
[25:24.670 --> 25:28.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: All kinds of fun and semi-exciting things have been going on.
[25:29.290 --> 25:31.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: 212-279-3400.
[25:31.350 --> 25:34.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if we can get a handful of calls coming in.
[25:34.470 --> 25:48.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: This is an emergency fundraiser that we are doing now to raise money for our radio station, WBAI New York, the only radio station around that has programs like this.
[25:49.890 --> 25:51.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know that's true.
[25:51.550 --> 25:54.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not anything I have to harp on and convince you of.
[25:55.210 --> 26:00.930]  [SPEAKER_02]: Anybody who has ever listened to a radio knows that this radio station, whether you like it or not, is unique.
[26:01.290 --> 26:05.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: There is nothing else like it any place on this dial in New York.
[26:05.730 --> 26:15.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I just recently traveled around the country a little bit in a car with an FM radio and I listened to non-commercial radio stations.
[26:15.690 --> 26:19.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I even listened to commercial stations a little bit, but after about 20 minutes you get sick of that.
[26:20.890 --> 26:27.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: So I was wandering around the non-commercial area, which for the most part is below 92 on the dial.
[26:27.830 --> 26:29.630]  [SPEAKER_02]: WBAI is a glaring exception to that.
[26:29.750 --> 26:41.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're non-commercial and we're right smack in the middle of the dial, which I think is great, because you come upon us when you least expect to, and then you're hooked for the rest of your life.
[26:41.570 --> 26:42.970]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of neat.
[26:45.170 --> 27:01.210]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, voyaging around the country, listening to non-commercial radio stations below 92 on the dial, you realize that while we may say here that WBAI is unique within New York, you realize that New York is unique within the United States, because there are very,
[27:01.350 --> 27:06.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: very few radio stations that have any kind of creative programming whatsoever.
[27:06.610 --> 27:13.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what I found 90% of the time when I wandered down below 92?
[27:14.830 --> 27:18.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: I found national public radio, and I found religion.
[27:19.110 --> 27:22.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't find religion, but I found religious radio stations.
[27:23.570 --> 27:46.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I have nothing against either one of these two concepts, but the fact of the matter is they are swallowing up the spectrum and erasing all those small, struggling college stations and community stations that have no affiliation and that do things their way and don't just broadcast off a satellite 24 hours a day.
[27:48.450 --> 27:49.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: Tell you, there's very few of them.
[27:50.030 --> 27:51.030]  [SPEAKER_02]: Very few of them left.
[27:51.090 --> 27:55.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: I came across a few, but there weren't enough.
[27:56.850 --> 28:01.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: your support is a vote that this kind of radio means something to you.
[28:01.530 --> 28:06.670]  [SPEAKER_02]: That it, uh, is an alternative to radio that is considered alternative.
[28:07.830 --> 28:19.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: Because non-commercial radio of all sorts is considered alternative, and, uh, I like to think that we're the ultimate alternative, because nobody bosses us around.
[28:20.910 --> 28:22.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: Except, of course, our listeners.
[28:23.110 --> 28:29.630]  [SPEAKER_02]: If, uh, we get a strong outpouring of support or disgust for something, we listen to that.
[28:29.910 --> 28:33.570]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think very many other radio stations, certainly no commercial radio station will do that.
[28:33.930 --> 28:34.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[28:34.550 --> 28:35.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: One more phone call.
[28:35.390 --> 28:35.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: We had a bunch.
[28:36.990 --> 28:38.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: 212-279-3400.
[28:38.510 --> 28:46.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can be that phone call, and then we can continue with the program and, uh, continue talking about these things and hopefully take a few phone calls, too.
[28:49.270 --> 28:53.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: Those of you on Long Island, those of you in New Jersey, Connecticut, even Pennsylvania.
[28:53.450 --> 28:55.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: I got this station in Pennsylvania.
[28:55.690 --> 28:57.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't easy, but I did it.
[28:57.630 --> 29:02.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, I know you're out there, and I know if you're listening, you're listening for a reason.
[29:06.660 --> 29:08.220]  [SPEAKER_02]: 212-279-3400.
[29:08.360 --> 29:10.340]  [SPEAKER_02]: We have all kinds of, uh, neat things.
[29:10.520 --> 29:19.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to spend a lot of time going over them, because our volunteers are specially and rigorously trained to do just that on the telephone.
[29:20.380 --> 29:24.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: uh, if that's what you want, if you want one of these neat items that we have here.
[29:25.040 --> 29:28.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: Things like, uh, Gore Vidal, Noam Chomsky, and Dick Gregory on three cassettes.
[29:29.920 --> 29:33.140]  [SPEAKER_02]: Or, uh, Crisis in Democracy.
[29:33.720 --> 29:35.100]  [SPEAKER_02]: Or the Gary Null video.
[29:35.320 --> 29:37.440]  [SPEAKER_02]: All kinds of things that we have.
[29:38.140 --> 29:41.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: Just our way of saying thank you for, uh, helping us out in our time of need.
[29:41.740 --> 29:49.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, of course, everybody that pledges gets the WBAI folio for a year, which, uh, is really the only way you can figure out what's on the air.
[29:50.040 --> 29:54.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's how I find out when I'm on the air, by looking at the folio.
[29:54.760 --> 29:59.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, uh, it's required reading if you're serious about WBAI.
[29:59.960 --> 30:01.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: 212-279-3400.
[30:01.680 --> 30:02.840]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks to those people that are calling in.
[30:04.480 --> 30:10.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, to continue with, uh, disturbing news about lawsuits and things like that.
[30:13.130 --> 30:14.510]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'd like to know, actually.
[30:14.630 --> 30:19.230]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to take a few phone calls, but I'd like to know if people want to actually hear the article in question.
[30:20.250 --> 30:22.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: This, I mean, it's, it's kind of technical.
[30:22.190 --> 30:25.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's only two pages long, but, uh, it is a bit technical.
[30:26.970 --> 30:32.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: But, this is something that, uh, we have every right to know about.
[30:32.610 --> 30:36.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: And you cannot let anybody push you around and say, you can't know this.
[30:38.490 --> 30:41.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, there's a demand for it.
[30:41.630 --> 30:42.670]  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll read it later in the program.
[30:43.410 --> 30:53.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, those of you that have copies of the magazine, though, you can tune, uh, tune, no, turn to page 42 of the Winter 91 issue and read silently to yourselves.
[30:53.710 --> 30:57.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: And you'll learn all those things that Belcourt does not want you to know.
[30:57.370 --> 31:00.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, this is by no means an isolated instance.
[31:00.250 --> 31:02.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: We know there's lots of other things that, um, are printed.
[31:02.630 --> 31:13.210]  [SPEAKER_02]: And similarly, on this radio station, a lot of things that are said that organizations, institutions, corporations really don't want to be said.
[31:13.690 --> 31:16.510]  [SPEAKER_02]: And they will strike out in any form they can.
[31:16.730 --> 31:24.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right now, it's kind of hard for them because, you know, the one thing, the one reaction that we get from everybody when we tell them this is that, hey, you're a magazine.
[31:25.330 --> 31:25.930]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know?
[31:26.330 --> 31:28.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: You have First Amendment rights.
[31:28.310 --> 31:29.810]  [SPEAKER_02]: Or you're a radio station.
[31:29.930 --> 31:31.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: You have First Amendment rights.
[31:31.450 --> 31:32.710]  [SPEAKER_02]: Or you're a reporter.
[31:33.530 --> 31:34.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: A journalist.
[31:36.290 --> 31:45.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: But they weren't so quick to say that when the person getting tried, put out a magazine on computer, in electronic form.
[31:46.590 --> 31:49.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: So you see, there's a step that we are losing.
[31:51.550 --> 31:53.870]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is not going unnoticed.
[31:54.210 --> 31:58.710]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's very easy to lose the First Amendment if you just change the rules a little bit.
[31:59.410 --> 32:04.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: You just publish electronically and all of a sudden you don't have the same rights.
[32:04.650 --> 32:04.770]  [SPEAKER_02]: rights.
[32:07.570 --> 32:10.250]  [SPEAKER_02]: So you can expect to see some more electronic publishing.
[32:10.670 --> 32:16.210]  [SPEAKER_02]: If it can be manipulated that easily, then I think you're going to see a lot more of that.
[32:16.530 --> 32:23.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why we have to step in now and make sure that the First Amendment does not die with the 20th century.
[32:24.510 --> 32:31.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: That it continues into the information age and whatever lies beyond, we carry these values with us.
[32:33.750 --> 32:39.030]  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, 212-279-3400, that's the pledge line, and we really do appreciate every pledge that we get.
[32:39.330 --> 32:40.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: We really do.
[32:40.970 --> 32:50.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're not kidding about this because we can always count our pledges on one hand, it seems, when they're coming in because actually we have a limited number of lines.
[32:51.090 --> 32:53.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have banks and banks of phones.
[32:54.250 --> 32:55.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: Very humble operation here.
[32:56.490 --> 32:56.810]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[32:57.030 --> 33:07.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: Something else that is coming up in the more recent issue, the summer issue, which is bound to get various phone companies angry as well, although I can't imagine why.
[33:08.010 --> 33:11.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: This is something that we also found out about through a source.
[33:12.650 --> 33:14.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: Something that will be happening in the future.
[33:16.050 --> 33:22.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: And briefly, I'll just say that caller ID is expanding.
[33:23.190 --> 33:26.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, it's expanding like an oil leak.
[33:27.330 --> 33:28.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: All over the place.
[33:28.290 --> 33:45.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, when I was in Milwaukee, I noticed that the phone company was handing out little pamphlets that said, even though we don't offer caller ID, if you call another state, your number may be transmitted to that other state.
[33:46.030 --> 33:49.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: And a person picking up the phone will know your phone number.
[33:49.610 --> 33:51.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: So already it's going interstate.
[33:52.710 --> 33:57.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: We predicted this, but it's going interstate a bit faster than a lot of us guessed.
[33:59.870 --> 34:05.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, here in New York, we're going to see caller ID in a matter of months, maybe even weeks.
[34:05.970 --> 34:11.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: Already, Star 6ix9ine is working in lots of places, especially on Long Island, some parts of 718.
[34:11.970 --> 34:16.770]  [SPEAKER_02]: Star 6ix9ine allows you to call back the last person who called you.
[34:17.650 --> 34:22.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's very disturbing to a lot of people because there's no way to block it.
[34:24.210 --> 34:26.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: And nobody knew about this.
[34:26.250 --> 34:28.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody knew this was going to happen quite like this.
[34:28.610 --> 34:29.670]  [SPEAKER_02]: Caught everybody by surprise.
[34:29.890 --> 34:31.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: Wasn't part of the PSC hearings.
[34:31.710 --> 34:36.210]  [SPEAKER_02]: They talked about caller ID and being able to block your number from being sent.
[34:36.310 --> 34:36.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, guess what?
[34:37.850 --> 34:41.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't block someone from calling you back if you call them directly.
[34:41.730 --> 34:44.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's ways to defeat the system, and that's what we're here to tell you.
[34:45.090 --> 34:48.690]  [SPEAKER_02]: But for the most part, the public is being duped.
[34:49.230 --> 34:54.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: And there are lots of people that don't want you to hear this, but it's the truth.
[34:55.970 --> 35:03.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: So caller ID is something that is being increasingly updated, becoming more sophisticated.
[35:04.230 --> 35:09.710]  [SPEAKER_02]: And what we will see in the future is something that is not technically possible right now.
[35:10.470 --> 35:14.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: If you have call waiting, you cannot get caller ID.
[35:14.730 --> 35:16.510]  [SPEAKER_02]: on a call that comes in on call waiting.
[35:16.610 --> 35:17.970]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that will no longer be true.
[35:20.090 --> 35:23.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: At least if Belcorp gets its way.
[35:23.950 --> 35:32.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: They're proposing a new standard where certain bits of information are sent while you're already on the phone.
[35:32.530 --> 35:35.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: While your phone is in what they call an off-hook state.
[35:35.230 --> 35:41.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it's called when those people calling in on the call-in lines right now, their phones are in off-hook states.
[35:42.790 --> 35:52.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: I wish I could say the same thing about our pledge lines, but maybe some people are racing to the payphones now or whatever phones they have.
[35:53.610 --> 35:56.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, that will be something.
[35:56.410 --> 35:59.330]  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems rather minor, but there's a hitch.
[35:59.610 --> 36:00.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a rather big hitch.
[36:01.530 --> 36:03.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: And the big hitch is that
[36:06.510 --> 36:09.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: when this happens, you have to be alerted.
[36:09.590 --> 36:19.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: you have to be alerted that you are getting a call and that information is being contained in that call that will be passed on to your caller ID box.
[36:20.090 --> 36:24.230]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that information cannot pass over the line while you are speaking.
[36:25.790 --> 36:26.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, guess what?
[36:28.550 --> 36:35.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: For four seconds, your mouthpiece and your Touch-Tone pad will be completely disabled.
[36:38.250 --> 36:41.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: Every time you get another call and you have caller ID, that's going to happen.
[36:41.710 --> 36:44.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's rubbing people the wrong way.
[36:44.210 --> 36:46.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: A few people that know about this already.
[36:47.670 --> 36:50.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it will be preceded by a tone.
[36:53.490 --> 36:57.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that wasn't the tone, but this is the tone that you will hear on your phone.
[36:57.630 --> 37:02.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a mixture of, I believe, 2130 hertz and 2750, if I'm not mistaken.
[37:04.670 --> 37:07.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: A tone just like that will be sent over your phone line.
[37:07.870 --> 37:09.510]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not quite sure how loud it will be.
[37:09.610 --> 37:10.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll give it to you again.
[37:12.190 --> 37:24.570]  [SPEAKER_02]: Every time you hear that tone, that's a signal that your phone is about to be deactivated for four seconds while another call comes in and information about that call is processed and recorded.
[37:27.090 --> 37:28.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't seem like too much, does it?
[37:28.530 --> 37:35.790]  [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the kind of information that we feel we must share with you at this early stage in the game.
[37:35.990 --> 37:38.470]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's still a couple of years away if it even happens at all.
[37:39.590 --> 37:41.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: They're debating whether or not that's the right tone.
[37:41.870 --> 37:44.130]  [SPEAKER_02]: They said after careful consideration they came up with that tone.
[37:44.210 --> 37:50.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine why that tone, but they seem to like it, so who are we to argue?
[37:52.210 --> 37:52.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[37:52.830 --> 37:59.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: Pledge Line once again is 212-279-3400 and the phone in line 212-279-3407.
[37:59.790 --> 38:05.710]  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if we can take a couple of phone calls there and get people's reactions.
[38:05.850 --> 38:17.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have to keep them kind of short though because we do have other business at hand and we do want to have a strong showing at the pledge lines.
[38:18.350 --> 38:19.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's see who's out there.
[38:20.310 --> 38:20.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hello?
[38:21.010 --> 38:21.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing?
[38:22.050 --> 38:22.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hello?
[38:22.730 --> 38:23.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead, you're on.
[38:24.110 --> 38:24.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: Am I on?
[38:24.870 --> 38:25.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you are.
[38:25.510 --> 38:26.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah, hi.
[38:26.250 --> 38:27.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: I had a couple of questions for you.
[38:28.090 --> 38:28.330]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[38:29.530 --> 38:42.150]  [SPEAKER_09]: One is, have you ever been in Grand Central Terminal and Penn Station and seen those phones that you put in a quarter and you get 30 seconds anywhere in the state?
[38:42.750 --> 38:43.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: Are they in Grand Central?
[38:44.110 --> 38:45.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen them on the street.
[38:46.710 --> 38:48.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, those are co-cuts.
[38:48.670 --> 38:50.190]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're not co-cuts, actually.
[38:50.990 --> 38:52.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: They're not owned by New York Telephone.
[38:52.490 --> 38:57.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, they're New York Telephone phones but you can call anywhere in the state for 30 seconds anywhere in the state.
[38:57.690 --> 39:01.930]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I thought you were referring to another phone that allows you anywhere in the country for a set price.
[39:02.370 --> 39:04.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those are unforgiving payphones.
[39:05.290 --> 39:06.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: They don't give you any warning.
[39:06.610 --> 39:07.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: They give you, what's it, 30 seconds?
[39:08.490 --> 39:09.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: And they just cut you off.
[39:10.710 --> 39:12.050]  [SPEAKER_02]: For some people, that's a good deal.
[39:12.850 --> 39:25.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it is a good deal but Did you know that they have funny phone numbers, they have 516 exchanges, and if you try doing 958 to them, they say something like, congratulations, you've reached whatever central office is there.
[39:25.830 --> 39:28.170]  [SPEAKER_09]: I was wondering if you knew why they said congratulations.
[39:28.410 --> 39:32.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're saying the 958, which is the ANEC, automatic number announcement...
[39:32.590 --> 39:35.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't give you the phone number, it just gives you this congratulations message.
[39:35.570 --> 39:41.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like it's going to a 9901 number, which generally announces the type of central office that you're in.
[39:41.070 --> 39:45.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: It does, but the 958 on these type of phones happens to do that.
[39:47.230 --> 39:57.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I notice that whenever you dial 956-9910, you get a tone, you get a dial tone in 718 area code.
[39:57.570 --> 39:58.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: When you dial what?
[39:59.650 --> 40:01.490]  [SPEAKER_09]: 718-956-9910.
[40:01.850 --> 40:02.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh, you get a dial tone.
[40:03.830 --> 40:05.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: And can anything be done with this dial tone?
[40:06.250 --> 40:07.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[40:08.370 --> 40:14.030]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, uh, I suggest experimenting with it and seeing what it does and reporting back.
[40:14.190 --> 40:14.870]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know...
[40:14.870 --> 40:15.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds interesting.
[40:15.530 --> 40:15.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now...
[40:15.830 --> 40:19.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: I wonder what would happen if you do a star 6ix9ine to those type of phones.
[40:19.850 --> 40:20.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows?
[40:21.330 --> 40:26.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, for... in general, star 6ix9ine does not work at pay funds, but of course there's all kinds of mistakes that can be made.
[40:27.830 --> 40:30.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: And maybe they will work under certain conditions.
[40:31.450 --> 40:32.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: We have to experiment.
[40:32.610 --> 40:33.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: We have to try things.
[40:33.790 --> 40:36.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, there's a cold custom that puts through collect calls.
[40:36.850 --> 40:40.610]  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, in other words, what it'll say, it'll say, if you want to accept...
[40:48.110 --> 40:49.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the biggest scam in the world.
[40:49.630 --> 40:50.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to accept a call, hold on.
[40:50.970 --> 40:52.230]  [SPEAKER_02]: What's an answering machine supposed to do?
[40:52.250 --> 40:53.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
[40:53.990 --> 40:55.330]  [SPEAKER_02]: What's a fax machine to do?
[40:55.390 --> 40:56.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they don't know to hang up.
[40:56.750 --> 40:59.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, you wind up with all these strange collect calls on your phone.
[40:59.850 --> 40:59.990]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[40:59.990 --> 41:01.630]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's because of... because of that.
[41:01.770 --> 41:03.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: We did an expose on that, actually, a few months back.
[41:03.630 --> 41:04.030]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?
[41:04.170 --> 41:09.190]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, yeah, it's, um... if that's still going on, you should report it to the, uh, Public Service Commission.
[41:09.370 --> 41:09.770]  [SPEAKER_02]: I did, actually.
[41:10.050 --> 41:10.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, good.
[41:10.730 --> 41:13.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: And you should get a reply, and I'd like you to let us know what that reply is.
[41:15.050 --> 41:15.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay?
[41:16.170 --> 41:17.510]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know about CoinTest?
[41:18.450 --> 41:20.250]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, CoinTest, uh, does that still work?
[41:20.450 --> 41:20.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: What is it?
[41:21.790 --> 41:22.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: 959...
[41:22.150 --> 41:22.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: What?
[41:24.110 --> 41:25.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, 959-1230.
[41:25.750 --> 41:26.030]  [SPEAKER_02]: I know that.
[41:26.290 --> 41:26.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[41:26.770 --> 41:28.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's 0959-1230.
[41:28.270 --> 41:30.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: I, I, I know, but is there any variation to that?
[41:30.810 --> 41:32.110]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is there any other numbers like that?
[41:32.350 --> 41:33.910]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, that's the only one I know of.
[41:34.490 --> 41:36.050]  I mean, in that 959 exchange?
[41:36.270 --> 41:44.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, um, if you can even call the 959 exchange, uh, that's one of the few test numbers that are generally known.
[41:45.070 --> 41:46.410]  [SPEAKER_02]: But, um, I don't know.
[41:46.470 --> 41:49.170]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's, there's a, there's a few, but that's the most interesting.
[41:49.330 --> 41:51.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: You drop in a quarter, and it says quarter.
[41:51.590 --> 41:51.890]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
[41:51.950 --> 41:53.970]  [SPEAKER_02]: You drop in, uh, a dime, it says dime.
[41:54.030 --> 41:55.590]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you see if there's any other test lines like that?
[41:56.190 --> 41:59.510]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there are, but, um, you have to go and discover them, you know?
[42:00.850 --> 42:01.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, all right, then.
[42:02.030 --> 42:02.250]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[42:02.550 --> 42:02.870]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[42:02.870 --> 42:03.370]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for calling.
[42:04.690 --> 42:10.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, I'd like to, uh, give a, I don't know if I can do this.
[42:10.270 --> 42:11.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll, I'll try to do this.
[42:12.230 --> 42:16.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: Things are kind of crazy because we have, uh, a marathon going on.
[42:17.630 --> 42:19.970]  [SPEAKER_02]: But I'll try to connect us to something.
[42:22.960 --> 42:25.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: A recording similar to what that person was talking about.
[42:25.520 --> 42:28.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, okay, here we go.
[42:39.320 --> 42:48.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Live from Brooklyn, it's Kenmore DSO, serving 252, 253, 859, and 951.
[42:49.900 --> 42:53.100]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's, uh, similar to the congratulations message that he got.
[42:53.320 --> 43:01.940]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, sometimes they have some fun in the central office, and basically it announces, uh, the exchanges served by that particular switch, and most times we'll kind of switch it is.
[43:02.720 --> 43:05.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, 212-279-3400 is our pledge line.
[43:06.000 --> 43:10.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: Please show your support for the radio station, 212-279-3407 if you want to be on the air.
[43:11.380 --> 43:12.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: Good evening.
[43:14.360 --> 43:16.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: My best to fiber optic.
[43:16.500 --> 43:21.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: I hope that you will announce a, uh, defense fund that we can contribute to through the magazine, perhaps.
[43:22.280 --> 43:24.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: I will, we'll keep you updated on anything that develops.
[43:24.820 --> 43:25.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
[43:25.480 --> 43:32.520]  [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I have an interesting communique from cable and wireless, uh, to the effect that they're blocking their 950 access.
[43:32.900 --> 43:36.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I got the same letter a couple of days ago, and it's very disturbing.
[43:37.080 --> 43:40.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: They, um, um, and this is something that I intend to follow up on and ask them why they're doing this.
[43:40.900 --> 43:48.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: What they basically said was, because of computer hackers, because of computer hackers, their 950 system is being cracked constantly.
[43:49.160 --> 44:02.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: And since they have a six-digit code there, what they're going to do is tell everybody to call the 800 number instead, which has much higher rates, much higher rates, as opposed to, say, uh, 15 cents a minute, uh, or less even on the 950 number.
[44:02.700 --> 44:08.460]  [SPEAKER_02]: The, uh, 800 number carries rates of 33 cents a minute, uh, which is, uh, absurd, really.
[44:08.820 --> 44:16.740]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and because the 800 number has an eight-digit code, it's going to be so much more, uh, secure from these evil computer hackers.
[44:16.920 --> 44:18.760]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this is nonsense, of course.
[44:18.860 --> 44:25.440]  [SPEAKER_02]: If they wanted to, uh, to keep computer hackers out, why would they not just simply make an eight-digit code on their 950 number in the first place?
[44:25.460 --> 44:42.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems that, unfortunately, and I hate to say this, cable and wireless is following the example of MCI, Sprint, and all the others that have abandoned the 950 service, which allows you to, uh, place point-to-point calls at, uh, pretty much the rate that you would pay from your house,
[44:42.640 --> 44:49.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: making a direct call, rather than having to pay a surcharge on, uh, on a calling card with every, each and every call you make.
[44:49.620 --> 45:01.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: So you could actually, I could pick up my, uh, my payphone, dial 950 number, enter my code, call a number, speak for a minute, and it would cost me about nine cents, no surcharge.
[45:01.300 --> 45:08.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, if I do that with, uh, Sprint or MCI or any of the other companies, it's probably going to cost me about 65 cents because of the surcharge they put on it.
[45:08.280 --> 45:14.380]  [SPEAKER_02]: And now, thanks to, uh, their logic, it's going to cost at least 33 cents, which is still more than a payphone would cost.
[45:15.360 --> 45:21.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't it also true that, in fact, the extra two digits are exactly the same on virtually every one of their accounts?
[45:21.820 --> 45:24.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it is on mine, so I guess you're right about that.
[45:24.620 --> 45:31.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: Ben, I've had several accounts, and each and each time that number is the same, so there's only 99 possibilities that somebody would have to try.
[45:31.820 --> 45:32.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[45:32.440 --> 45:34.420]  [SPEAKER_08]: In order to get those additional two numbers.
[45:34.660 --> 45:38.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it seems like there's only one possibility if they're always the same as the last two of the codes.
[45:38.620 --> 45:41.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I mean, but just even if you didn't have any idea what they were.
[45:41.440 --> 45:41.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[45:41.980 --> 45:55.760]  [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I was wondering, I mean, I guess what you said sort of answers it, but what I could say to them, I'm considering terminating my service with them over this, or at least telling them that, you know, I don't like what they're doing, and... Well, what I would suggest doing is contacting the,
[45:55.960 --> 45:58.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: uh, did you go through a sales representative to get the service?
[45:58.740 --> 46:03.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I have a representative, a personal, uh, you know, person who calls me and writes to me.
[46:03.340 --> 46:05.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: How much, uh, writes personal letters to you?
[46:06.400 --> 46:10.420]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, she, she sends me these letters personally, and she calls me to let me know what's going on.
[46:10.460 --> 46:12.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you spend a lot on, uh, on cable and wireless?
[46:12.900 --> 46:15.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: Not a heck of a lot, not between 50 and 100 a month.
[46:15.780 --> 46:15.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[46:16.360 --> 46:23.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, it's, um, it's generally good to talk to these people because one good thing about cable and wireless is that they are people.
[46:23.620 --> 46:28.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can talk to them, uh, unlike, you know, you never get the same person twice at the big companies.
[46:28.780 --> 46:38.740]  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you tell them that, uh, this really does make a difference, and I'll probably wind up going to another phone company if, uh, if you cut the service off, there's, there's no good reason for them to cut the service off.
[46:39.120 --> 46:41.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: Certainly the computer hacker reason is bogus.
[46:41.780 --> 46:49.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason for them to cut that service off, and if you're spending 50 to 100 dollars a month using their service, I don't see how they can look upon that as a bad thing.
[46:50.200 --> 46:51.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't see it.
[46:51.580 --> 46:53.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: 9-5-0 is already blocked, I think.
[46:53.620 --> 46:56.580]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it still works, uh, every phone I've tried.
[46:56.840 --> 46:57.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah?
[46:57.480 --> 46:57.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[46:57.880 --> 46:59.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, that's good to know.
[46:59.720 --> 47:01.680]  [SPEAKER_08]: Um, okay, well, thanks very much.
[47:01.680 --> 47:03.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'll keep you posted on how they respond.
[47:03.800 --> 47:11.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do call them, and I recommend anybody else call them, too, that, uh, that has that service because, uh, it's a valuable thing, and, and you need to share that information, and it's a valuable thing.
[47:12.700 --> 47:13.620]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, thanks for calling.
[47:13.780 --> 47:14.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, thank you.
[47:15.260 --> 47:23.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, again, our number, uh, for pledges, and I can't emphasize enough the importance of that, is 212-279-3400.
[47:23.760 --> 47:25.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: We do need your support.
[47:25.380 --> 47:27.760]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we, we, we don't do this on a whim.
[47:27.860 --> 47:29.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: We do this because we need to do this.
[47:30.320 --> 47:42.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, whatever it is you can afford to pledge to this radio station, if you enjoy off the hook, if you get something out of this program week after week, then, uh, show your support for it and for the radio station that presents it.
[47:42.860 --> 47:44.840]  [SPEAKER_02]: 212-279-3400.
[47:45.280 --> 47:55.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: Again, we accept Visa, we accept MasterCard, and everybody who, uh, contributes will receive the program guide for an entire year, uh, filled with all kinds of interesting articles as well.
[47:56.080 --> 48:01.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: And our call-in number, which is probably busy right now, is 212-279-3407.
[48:01.260 --> 48:15.160]  [SPEAKER_02]: So those of you that, uh, are all upset that you can't get through on the air, take heart in the fact that you can get through to us in right now a, uh, a much better way because every little bit helps.
[48:15.520 --> 48:16.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: Can't say it enough.
[48:16.460 --> 48:18.020]  [SPEAKER_02]: 212-279-3400.
[48:18.020 --> 48:19.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: Please make those phones ring.
[48:19.200 --> 48:20.380]  [SPEAKER_02]: We have a room full of volunteers.
[48:22.160 --> 48:23.440]  [SPEAKER_02]: Good morning, good evening.
[48:23.720 --> 48:24.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: Anybody there?
[48:24.460 --> 48:24.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, sir.
[48:25.020 --> 48:25.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[48:25.860 --> 48:35.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, um, a friend recently told me that if, uh, one wanted to know who had called last at your house, there's a special number you can dial and find out.
[48:35.880 --> 48:36.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's star 69.
[48:37.700 --> 48:38.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Star 69?
[48:39.180 --> 48:40.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's the number that you dial?
[48:40.740 --> 48:43.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you don't have a Touch-Tone phone, you dial 1169.
[48:43.680 --> 48:50.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this assumes that it's been set up in your area, uh, and it looks like it's going to be set up just about everywhere in a fairly new future.
[48:51.040 --> 48:56.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: In other words, you could, you could have rotary service and still be able to do this with a Touch-Tone generator, true?
[48:56.680 --> 48:59.620]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's, uh, we don't need a Touch-Tone generator if you have a rotary phone.
[48:59.860 --> 49:04.460]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you just dial 1169 and it will immediately call back the last person that called you.
[49:04.540 --> 49:08.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: Not, and it doesn't have to be a person that you talked to, to somebody that rang your phone once and hung up.
[49:09.280 --> 49:11.440]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's good for people that get harassing phone calls.
[49:11.860 --> 49:13.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, so it'll only call them back.
[49:13.400 --> 49:15.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: In other words, you won't know the number.
[49:15.360 --> 49:15.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[49:16.460 --> 49:16.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[49:16.800 --> 49:17.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, okay.
[49:17.760 --> 49:23.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's a point of contention because the phone company says you will not know the number, but it's not that difficult to find a number.
[49:24.060 --> 49:27.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: Within the city, it's very difficult, if not impossible.
[49:27.880 --> 49:35.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: But on, uh, bigger areas such as Long Island, Westchester, New Jersey, uh, you can get things like local itemization.
[49:35.780 --> 49:43.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you star 69 somebody that, uh, that would appear on your local itemization, you simply find out what their number is when you get that bill.
[49:43.760 --> 49:44.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's that simple.
[49:45.120 --> 49:49.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: And eventually it will work long distance too, so you'll find out what their number is then.
[49:49.120 --> 49:49.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't discriminate.
[49:50.000 --> 49:52.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, star 69, meaning a three-digit dialing.
[49:53.020 --> 49:59.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, now you're saying that when I get my monthly phone bill that I will know from the bill who I called back?
[49:59.540 --> 50:02.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: All you have to do, uh, let's say somebody called you now.
[50:02.940 --> 50:03.140]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[50:03.500 --> 50:09.020]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and you star 69 them and you got somebody and, uh, you know, you still didn't know who they were.
[50:09.200 --> 50:09.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[50:09.420 --> 50:15.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: All you'd have to do is, uh, look at your phone bill and go to, uh, July 22nd.
[50:16.060 --> 50:16.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[50:16.780 --> 50:18.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: At 9.48 PM.
[50:18.780 --> 50:18.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[50:19.000 --> 50:20.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: And see what number shows up at that time.
[50:21.480 --> 50:24.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you mean it will appear specially even though it's only a local call?
[50:24.740 --> 50:28.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: It will appear, it will appear just like any other phone, well, depending on what kind of call it is.
[50:28.440 --> 50:36.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm talking about if it's, uh, if it's something that's not necessarily local, which is just a little bit in the future, but for local calls, uh, where, where, what area are you in?
[50:37.240 --> 50:37.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: 212.
[50:37.920 --> 50:38.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're in 212.
[50:39.060 --> 50:39.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[50:39.540 --> 50:43.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: There is, they don't have local itemization in 212.
[50:43.320 --> 50:44.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not to say they can't do it.
[50:45.260 --> 50:45.580]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[50:45.720 --> 50:48.780]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not impossible to do because obviously they bill you for it.
[50:48.840 --> 50:51.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: So they, they know that you can, uh, can do that.
[50:51.280 --> 50:58.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: But I mean, if you make a local call, you can't find out, you know, what numbers you call and are you saying if you requested it specially?
[50:58.740 --> 51:01.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's, there's a service New York Telephone provides called local itemization.
[51:01.420 --> 51:02.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: It costs $1.56 a month.
[51:03.040 --> 51:04.320]  Oh, I, I understand.
[51:04.420 --> 51:04.580]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[51:04.600 --> 51:09.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that provides you, you have to pay them to get a bill, I realize, but, uh, you, you do get a list of the local numbers you call.
[51:09.740 --> 51:13.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really sure how extensive that is in the 212 area.
[51:13.500 --> 51:18.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but if it's anything like 516, it's, you can find out just about any number that you called.
[51:18.780 --> 51:19.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[51:19.120 --> 51:20.760]  [SPEAKER_07]: Before we hang up, I want to make a comment.
[51:21.040 --> 51:21.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[51:21.240 --> 51:26.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: I called New different people, um, two different numbers.
[51:27.120 --> 51:29.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: And they told me, no, that service doesn't exist yet.
[51:29.400 --> 51:30.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: It exists in Poughkeepsie.
[51:31.040 --> 51:33.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: It won't exist in the New York City area until next year.
[51:34.440 --> 51:35.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, your comment on that?
[51:35.860 --> 51:36.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: When, when did you speak to them?
[51:37.220 --> 51:38.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, last week.
[51:38.280 --> 51:38.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: Last week.
[51:38.760 --> 51:38.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[51:38.920 --> 51:41.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: They're wrong because it was tested in Poughkeepsie originally.
[51:41.980 --> 51:46.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's been in 516 now for a couple of months and there's advertisements every day and news day for that.
[51:46.720 --> 51:51.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, uh, it's, it's been in 516, but you're saying it's also in 212.
[51:51.360 --> 51:52.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not in 212 yet.
[51:53.040 --> 51:56.460]  [SPEAKER_02]: It will be in 212 to, who knows, fairly soon.
[51:56.620 --> 51:57.380]  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably by the end of the year.
[51:57.380 --> 51:59.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: When you say it, you mean the local itemization or you mean the 1169?
[51:59.240 --> 51:59.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.
[51:59.740 --> 52:00.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: Local itemization is already here.
[52:01.100 --> 52:05.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: Star69 is a service that is being slowly introduced as a precursor to caller ID.
[52:06.100 --> 52:06.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh.
[52:06.520 --> 52:10.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: So if I do 1169 now in the New York area code, I'm not going to get anywhere.
[52:10.680 --> 52:11.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably not, but you might.
[52:12.200 --> 52:12.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[52:12.700 --> 52:14.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, I don't, I can't guarantee anything.
[52:14.740 --> 52:16.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how it started in 516.
[52:16.500 --> 52:17.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't tell you that it was going to work.
[52:17.960 --> 52:19.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: It just all of a sudden started working.
[52:20.260 --> 52:27.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, uh, that, that's why I recommend people constantly experiment with these things and, and report what they find, because lots of times you'll find very interesting things.
[52:27.700 --> 52:30.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, let me, let me, let me give everybody a hint out there.
[52:30.400 --> 52:33.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is very important because you're going to run into this.
[52:33.160 --> 52:36.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have what I call high-tech war games here on your telephone.
[52:37.060 --> 52:46.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody calls you and, uh, you know, you can obviously find out who they are very quickly by star 6-9-ing them or, or waiting for the bill or whatever.
[52:47.320 --> 52:53.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: But supposing you call somebody and you don't want them to find out who you are for whatever reasons.
[52:53.120 --> 52:58.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to assume your reasons are, are, you know, morally upstanding and all that, but I really don't care.
[52:58.420 --> 53:00.340]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just talking about it from a privacy angle.
[53:01.320 --> 53:05.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you call somebody and they can star 6-9 you and ring you back.
[53:07.220 --> 53:10.980]  [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, if you don't pick up your phone, they won't ever be able to get your number.
[53:11.640 --> 53:17.340]  [SPEAKER_02]: And if your phone never gets picked up by an answering machine that announces the number or whatever, they'll never be able to find out that way either.
[53:18.940 --> 53:22.740]  [SPEAKER_02]: But through a couple of interesting things, you can, you can, you can have some fun with them.
[53:22.820 --> 53:29.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can, um, you can first of all defeat their star 6-9 capabilities.
[53:29.700 --> 53:34.840]  [SPEAKER_02]: Because remember, star 6-9 simply calls back the last number that called you.
[53:35.900 --> 53:41.020]  [SPEAKER_02]: So if they get another call, it doesn't work anymore.
[53:41.440 --> 53:47.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: Because when they star 6-9, they will star 6-9 the new call and not your call.
[53:47.580 --> 53:59.580]  [SPEAKER_02]: So what's, interesting here, is that say somebody star 6-9s me and I don't want them to have my number ever.
[54:00.480 --> 54:03.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: And I realize that calling them directly was a big mistake.
[54:05.400 --> 54:08.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, let's say you call somebody who just happens to be insane just to say hi.
[54:09.120 --> 54:12.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: And you realize that they can now find out your unlisted number.
[54:14.440 --> 54:26.760]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you call through a long distance company, call that same number, you will in effect disable their star 6-9 capabilities because they will then dial star 6-9.
[54:26.960 --> 54:32.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: The phone company will say, hey, this number can't be star 6-9 because it came from a long distance company.
[54:33.160 --> 54:33.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[54:34.340 --> 54:37.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: And you can't go back one call and star 6-9 that one.
[54:37.620 --> 54:42.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: So if they don't get the information right away, you can stop them from getting it.
[54:43.660 --> 54:45.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: And you can be more careful the next time.
[54:46.800 --> 54:49.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: We've got to be real careful these days when we make phone calls.
[54:49.160 --> 54:50.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: You never know what's going to be on the other end.
[54:50.720 --> 54:51.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: Good evening.
[54:52.020 --> 54:52.380]  [SPEAKER_06]: Hello?
[54:52.580 --> 54:54.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't mean that as an insult, but go ahead.
[54:54.720 --> 54:56.940]  [SPEAKER_06]: I have a few questions.
[54:57.280 --> 54:57.860]  [SPEAKER_06]: Number one.
[54:58.740 --> 54:59.500]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[55:00.580 --> 55:11.280]  [SPEAKER_06]: I once was at the CW Post campus and I was on a payphone and I dialed direct and it went through.
[55:11.280 --> 55:15.960]  [SPEAKER_06]: So I tried the 0700 numbers, which is AT&T Alliance.
[55:16.460 --> 55:17.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: Among other things, yes.
[55:17.840 --> 55:20.720]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, and it went through.
[55:20.980 --> 55:21.880]  [SPEAKER_06]: Why is this?
[55:21.880 --> 55:22.440]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[55:22.440 --> 55:23.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: It went through on a payphone?
[55:23.440 --> 55:23.740]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[55:24.080 --> 55:24.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not supposed to.
[55:25.020 --> 55:26.420]  [SPEAKER_06]: New York Telephone also.
[55:26.740 --> 55:27.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not supposed to.
[55:27.420 --> 55:33.020]  [SPEAKER_02]: But then again, New Jersey Bell wasn't charging for long distance phone calls from payphones only a couple of months ago.
[55:33.340 --> 55:39.980]  [SPEAKER_02]: These things happen, you know, programming errors, you know, missing digits, all kinds of bizarreness.
[55:40.580 --> 55:42.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I say keep experimenting.
[55:42.560 --> 55:44.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: You'll find weird things happening.
[55:44.920 --> 55:47.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: You'll find payphones that allow free directory assistance.
[55:48.240 --> 55:50.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's really kind of neat because it used to be that way.
[55:51.500 --> 55:58.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you can go to Canada, in fact, cross the border and call information anywhere in this country and it doesn't cost you anything.
[55:59.260 --> 56:02.100]  [SPEAKER_02]: But here, it costs you something like 75 cents a call.
[56:03.520 --> 56:04.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's most amazing.
[56:05.440 --> 56:06.000]  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[56:06.120 --> 56:21.920]  [SPEAKER_06]: And one of the companies that I want to mention is one of those companies that have the, you know, it's like, if you go on there and there's an answer machine, then it'll accept it, like as a collect call.
[56:22.440 --> 56:23.520]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's Amex.
[56:23.800 --> 56:24.780]  [SPEAKER_06]: Ever heard of that?
[56:25.800 --> 56:27.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure exactly what you mean.
[56:28.420 --> 56:30.860]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's, um, the company's called Amex.
[56:31.000 --> 56:33.080]  [SPEAKER_06]: A-M-E-X or something like that.
[56:33.220 --> 56:33.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[56:34.160 --> 56:35.620]  [SPEAKER_06]: Or Amex or something like that.
[56:35.680 --> 56:37.380]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about a payphone company.
[56:37.580 --> 56:38.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's Amex, actually.
[56:39.040 --> 56:39.260]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[56:39.380 --> 56:43.100]  [SPEAKER_06]: But there are 950 and 800 access numbers.
[56:43.340 --> 56:43.580]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[56:43.640 --> 56:43.940]  [SPEAKER_02]: There are.
[56:44.000 --> 56:45.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have them with me, but, uh...
[56:45.720 --> 56:46.840]  [SPEAKER_06]: You want... I know them.
[56:47.020 --> 56:47.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[56:47.280 --> 56:47.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: Tell us what they are.
[56:49.460 --> 56:50.340]  [SPEAKER_06]: 950-0370.
[56:51.040 --> 56:54.460]  [SPEAKER_06]: I think 1-800-444-1644.
[56:54.920 --> 56:56.040]  [SPEAKER_06]: But I'm not sure of the 800.
[56:56.500 --> 57:01.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: And through those, you can sort of pretend you're at a cocot payphone type thing.
[57:01.740 --> 57:07.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: Make a collect call to somebody, and if they don't hang up the phone, they'll wind up accepting the call.
[57:07.820 --> 57:08.160]  [SPEAKER_02]: Is that it?
[57:08.360 --> 57:08.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[57:08.860 --> 57:09.760]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's...
[57:09.760 --> 57:13.520]  [SPEAKER_06]: And they used to accept credit cards and all those neat things.
[57:13.720 --> 57:13.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[57:14.060 --> 57:17.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I heard they actually accepted almost any 14 digits that you would give them.
[57:18.120 --> 57:19.020]  [SPEAKER_06]: They used to.
[57:19.140 --> 57:19.900]  [SPEAKER_06]: They don't anymore.
[57:20.300 --> 57:20.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[57:20.700 --> 57:22.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: They're learning from their mistakes.
[57:22.340 --> 57:22.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[57:22.860 --> 57:23.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, listen.
[57:23.300 --> 57:24.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks very much for the call.
[57:24.220 --> 57:24.460]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[57:24.520 --> 57:24.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Dean.
[57:25.180 --> 57:25.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: Take care.
[57:25.640 --> 57:25.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: Later.
[57:26.700 --> 57:27.140]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[57:27.180 --> 57:30.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's see if we can squeeze in a couple more calls real quickly.
[57:30.820 --> 57:34.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: And let's see if those out there that have not pledged yet can squeeze in a call or two.
[57:35.240 --> 57:36.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: We really could use the help.
[57:36.640 --> 57:38.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: 212-279-3400.
[57:39.740 --> 57:40.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can do it.
[57:41.080 --> 57:41.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: Good evening.
[57:42.520 --> 57:42.920]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hello.
[57:43.240 --> 57:43.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, go ahead.
[57:44.320 --> 57:49.180]  [SPEAKER_10]: I have a Touch-Tone telephone with a bunch of memory on it here.
[57:49.180 --> 57:49.540]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh-huh.
[57:49.680 --> 57:59.660]  [SPEAKER_10]: And if I push on one of those, and a few minutes later, the operator comes on and says, all cables are... all lines are busy now.
[57:59.980 --> 58:04.620]  [SPEAKER_10]: Then I put it down, and I touch the redial, dialed in, and it rings right away.
[58:05.060 --> 58:06.500]  [SPEAKER_10]: Now, what's the matter with my phone?
[58:06.980 --> 58:08.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean it rings right away?
[58:08.400 --> 58:11.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: You mean it... you just get a recording once, and you should try it again.
[58:11.360 --> 58:12.460]  [SPEAKER_10]: The lines weren't tied up.
[58:12.600 --> 58:14.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: It's just all lines are busy now, and they weren't.
[58:14.640 --> 58:18.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay, uh, does this happen all the time, or just...
[58:18.480 --> 58:18.780]  [SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[58:19.360 --> 58:21.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: So every time you dial this number...
[58:21.400 --> 58:23.380]  [SPEAKER_10]: Any of the numbers on my memory.
[58:23.860 --> 58:25.920]  [SPEAKER_10]: I've got it, you know, I've got eight or nine of them.
[58:26.260 --> 58:26.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[58:26.620 --> 58:27.740]  [SPEAKER_02]: The first time...
[58:27.740 --> 58:28.940]  [SPEAKER_02]: But then you're hitting redial.
[58:29.020 --> 58:30.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're dialing the exact same thing, aren't you?
[58:31.460 --> 58:31.820]  [SPEAKER_10]: Pardon?
[58:32.020 --> 58:33.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're dialing the exact same thing, right?
[58:34.260 --> 58:35.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: When you hit redial.
[58:35.440 --> 58:35.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[58:36.000 --> 58:37.160]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay, this is what I suggest.
[58:37.480 --> 58:37.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you...
[58:37.800 --> 58:40.100]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know the numbers that are in your memory, right?
[58:40.200 --> 58:40.340]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[58:40.620 --> 58:40.840]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[58:41.480 --> 58:44.580]  [SPEAKER_02]: Dial them by hand first, and see if it happens then.
[58:45.360 --> 58:47.580]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, without calling it before.
[58:47.880 --> 58:50.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: Pick up the phone, dial them by hand, see if you get that recording.
[58:50.760 --> 58:51.300]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, I don't.
[58:51.420 --> 59:01.480]  [SPEAKER_10]: When I dial other numbers, other than what's on my, uh, on my memory up here, if I dial some other numbers, straight dial, I don't have the trouble.
[59:01.580 --> 59:04.220]  [SPEAKER_02]: Does your, uh, phone dial extremely fast?
[59:07.460 --> 59:10.000]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I don't know how extremely fast it is.
[59:10.000 --> 59:16.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's possible you might be confusing the central office with the speed that you're dialing or something, or there's a stray character in there.
[59:16.860 --> 59:19.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: I would suggest reprogramming them, all right?
[59:19.620 --> 59:20.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: Program them again.
[59:20.660 --> 59:20.940]  Yeah.
[59:21.180 --> 59:23.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: And see if, if that gets rid of the problem.
[59:23.720 --> 59:29.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: If not, there's got to be something with the way those numbers are being dialed that's messing up the central office somehow.
[59:29.980 --> 59:31.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know exactly how.
[59:31.640 --> 59:37.880]  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't either, because all I have, I hear and I slam it down right away, and then I do the redial and it rings.
[59:37.880 --> 59:39.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: How long do you hang up for?
[59:40.240 --> 59:42.400]  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, just, just long enough to push the thing down.
[59:42.620 --> 59:42.780]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[59:42.940 --> 59:46.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: But if you hang up for, say, five seconds, pick up again, and then hit the button, what happens then?
[59:46.920 --> 59:47.800]  [SPEAKER_10]: I haven't done that.
[59:48.000 --> 59:48.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, try that.
[59:48.700 --> 59:50.220]  [SPEAKER_02]: See if you get the recording again.
[59:50.820 --> 59:59.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, if you do get the recording again, then when you flash, you're obviously getting a different kind of a, uh, of an outgoing line that doesn't fall into the same trap.
[01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: But again, it's kind of hard to diagnose over the phone.
[01:00:02.160 --> 01:00:04.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: You have to sort of try every experiment with it.
[01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.720]  [SPEAKER_10]: Whether there's something wrong with my phone, I should get an exchange.
[01:00:07.940 --> 01:00:09.440]  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't think it's anything really major.
[01:00:09.560 --> 01:00:13.580]  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like a fairly minor thing, but I think you can fix it by reprogramming it.
[01:00:13.820 --> 01:00:23.620]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, well, in some cases, for instance, when I, if I want to dial, like I just dialed WBAI, sometimes it'll, it'll go through.
[01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:24.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[01:00:25.160 --> 01:00:26.320]  [SPEAKER_10]: Most of the time it doesn't.
[01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:27.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: Now, this time it didn't.
[01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:29.940]  [SPEAKER_10]: It went right through to you, so I didn't have any trouble.
[01:00:29.940 --> 01:00:38.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the phone system is filled with all kinds of, uh, perplexing mysteries that sometimes we'll wonder about for the rest of our lives, I suppose.
[01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:39.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're out of time, though.
[01:00:39.340 --> 01:00:40.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks very much for calling in.
[01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:43.020]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, we're out of here until next week.
[01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:51.740]  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is, uh, off the hook for this week.
[01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, uh, two minutes to ten o'clock.
[01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: Stay tuned for the personal computer show coming up next.
[01:00:58.660 --> 01:01:07.620]  [SPEAKER_02]: Next, this is Emmanuel Goldstein, and I'll be back again next week at, uh, at this time.
[01:01:08.080 --> 01:01:09.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: And we have the wrong thing up on the table.
[01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:11.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is amazing.
[01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have the theme queued up, so, uh, I don't know.
[01:01:14.180 --> 01:01:15.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll just play some tones instead.
[01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:17.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: How's that, uh...
[01:01:17.600 --> 01:01:19.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: Here's the, here's the tone of the future again.
[01:01:19.900 --> 01:01:23.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: That means a, uh, a call is coming in.
[01:01:23.540 --> 01:01:29.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's all kinds of other things we can play, but I think probably the best thing to do is to, uh, play a public service announcement and get out of here gracefully.
[01:01:30.580 --> 01:01:34.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, 212-279-3400 is the pledge line.
[01:01:34.540 --> 01:01:35.340]  [SPEAKER_02]: Please call that line.
[01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:36.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: Show your support for WBAI.
[01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:37.780]  [SPEAKER_02]: This is Emmanuel Goldstein.
[01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:38.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be back again next week.
[01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:39.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: Good night.
[01:01:42.600 --> 01:01:45.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: On the July 23rd edition of the Caribbean and Latin America...