Off The Hook - 1994-12-28

[00:03.530 --> 00:10.530]  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't really stand to listen to it, because it simply is... But it's very enjoyable, very well-written.
[00:10.690 --> 00:11.330]  [SPEAKER_01]: People love it.
[00:11.490 --> 00:17.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: What does it mean that they like music that really was part of the official propaganda of regimes?
[00:17.690 --> 00:18.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: They would be horrified.
[00:18.950 --> 00:30.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: Leon Botstein, conductor and musical director of the American Symphony Orchestra, talks about music and politics, Bruckner, the Nazis, and conducting on January 1st at 6 p.m.
[00:30.790 --> 00:32.710]  [SPEAKER_12]: on WBAI 99.
[00:32.890 --> 00:34.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: WBAI 99.5 FM.
[00:40.670 --> 00:49.260]  [SPEAKER_00]: Howard Zinn, author of A People's History of the U.S., will be our special guest on the December 29th edition of Building Bridges, your community labor report.
[00:49.500 --> 00:53.760]  [SPEAKER_00]: With so many threatening changes in the new year, we'll look to the past for guidance in the future.
[00:53.940 --> 00:58.280]  [SPEAKER_00]: We'll also be taking your phone calls on your hopes, fears, and concerns for the new year.
[00:58.380 --> 01:07.260]  [SPEAKER_00]: So join Building Bridges for A People's History for the New Year with Howard Zinn on Thursday, December 29th, from 8 to 9 p.m.
[01:07.360 --> 01:13.520]  [SPEAKER_00]: over listener-sponsored WBAI 99.5 FM, produced by Ken Nash and Mimi Rosenberg.
[01:13.640 --> 01:19.440]  [SPEAKER_00]: For more information, contact Ken Nash at 212-815-1699.
[01:19.460 --> 01:22.740]  [SPEAKER_00]: That's 212-815-1699.
[01:29.070 --> 01:34.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just after 10 o'clock, and you're listening to radio station WBAI in New York.
[01:34.430 --> 01:35.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's time for Off the Hook.
[01:41.980 --> 01:46.540]  [SPEAKER_18]: The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[01:47.480 --> 01:52.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a cough.
[01:52.880 --> 01:57.400]  [SPEAKER_18]: It couldn't get much worse, but if it could, it would.
[01:57.640 --> 02:04.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum,
[04:16.280 --> 04:16.320]  Bum.
[04:17.000 --> 04:18.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: And a good evening, everybody.
[04:18.400 --> 04:29.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: This is Emmanuel Goldstein with another edition of Off the Hook, where we talk about high technology and what's going on in the 90s.
[04:30.140 --> 04:31.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: This is our last show of 1995.
[04:32.600 --> 04:35.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm sorry, it's our last show of 1994.
[04:35.560 --> 04:37.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Next week will be our first show of 1995.
[04:37.580 --> 04:38.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll get it straight.
[04:39.420 --> 04:43.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: And today, today is our most historic occasion.
[04:44.000 --> 04:49.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: Today is the day that I actually read my calling card number out over the air.
[04:49.340 --> 04:49.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't that something?
[04:50.160 --> 04:55.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: My entire calling card number, I just read out so that millions of people could listen to it.
[04:55.400 --> 04:59.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you may ask, why did I do something so completely, insanely stupid?
[05:00.360 --> 05:01.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you why.
[05:01.740 --> 05:02.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: I was told to.
[05:02.840 --> 05:03.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: I had no choice.
[05:03.740 --> 05:05.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: I was forced into stupidity.
[05:05.940 --> 05:08.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: There was absolutely nothing I could do about it.
[05:09.460 --> 05:16.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you ever feel like you're living your life that way, where you have no options, no choices, no way around doing something that you know is wrong?
[05:18.400 --> 05:19.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is the story.
[05:19.760 --> 05:25.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'd like to know if people out there can feel some compassion for my stupidity and why I had to do what I had to do.
[05:26.260 --> 05:30.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: I was on my way here, of all places, to meet up with somebody.
[05:30.440 --> 05:31.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: This was a while ago.
[05:31.500 --> 05:32.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: This was a couple hours ago.
[05:32.520 --> 05:35.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you know how traffic can be.
[05:35.480 --> 05:39.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, traffic can be kind of, you know, bad at times.
[05:40.600 --> 05:47.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, well, to make a long story short, I wound up stuck on the Queensborough Bridge for an hour, just trying to get over here.
[05:48.480 --> 05:51.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: But, all was not lost because there was a cellular phone in the car.
[05:52.120 --> 05:53.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's right, we had a cellular phone with us.
[05:54.000 --> 05:56.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, when you have a cellular phone, you can do anything.
[05:57.020 --> 05:59.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: You can call anybody in the world.
[06:00.000 --> 06:02.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Except, here's the problem.
[06:02.200 --> 06:07.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: The problem was there was no actual service to this telephone, so there was no way to bill it directly.
[06:07.340 --> 06:09.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: You had to bill to other numbers.
[06:10.220 --> 06:11.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you could make third-party billing.
[06:11.940 --> 06:12.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: You could call collect.
[06:12.780 --> 06:16.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: You could bill to a calling card or to a credit card, etc., etc.
[06:17.580 --> 06:19.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, no big deal there.
[06:19.680 --> 06:27.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I figure I might as well make the call to the radio station and say that I'm running late, you know, because I was running horrendously late.
[06:27.480 --> 06:31.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't want this person that I was meeting over here to...
[06:31.160 --> 06:32.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a reporter, by the way.
[06:32.640 --> 06:35.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you know how reporters can be if you slight them in any way.
[06:35.320 --> 06:38.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: They can come out with these horrible documentaries that make you look bad.
[06:39.400 --> 06:41.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I wanted to make sure that that didn't happen.
[06:41.620 --> 06:45.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I wanted to call the person to say, you know, I'm going to be late.
[06:45.200 --> 06:51.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to be horrendously late, so please wait for me or do something else in the meantime.
[06:52.940 --> 06:59.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so, I figure I'll call my 950 service, you know, and build a call that way.
[06:59.300 --> 07:09.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: But no, when I have a cellular phone, you can't make a 950 call because even though 950s don't cost anything, when you're on a cellular phone, they cost something.
[07:09.760 --> 07:11.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't ask me why, they just do.
[07:11.400 --> 07:14.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Something to do with airtime, you know, you got to pay for airtime, right.
[07:17.300 --> 07:21.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, we gave up the 950 idea and decided, okay, we'll try an 800 number.
[07:21.460 --> 07:22.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: 800 numbers are free, right?
[07:23.040 --> 07:23.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: Wrong.
[07:23.580 --> 07:25.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: 800 numbers are not free on cellular phones.
[07:25.720 --> 07:27.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, we could not call an 800 number either.
[07:28.840 --> 07:31.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, beginning to see how this works.
[07:32.200 --> 07:34.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's simply bill it to a calling card.
[07:34.700 --> 07:37.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I've got an AT&T calling card.
[07:38.020 --> 07:39.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: I might as well just bill it to that.
[07:40.280 --> 07:44.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, we dial zero plus the number, you know, here in WBAI.
[07:44.980 --> 07:47.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: And figure we'll get that little bong tone.
[07:48.680 --> 07:51.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: And we'll be able to place our call that way.
[07:52.540 --> 07:59.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, be able to bill the call to my calling card number.
[07:59.620 --> 08:00.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: And everybody will be happy.
[08:01.040 --> 08:03.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: Although, it'll probably cost me more than I would like it to cost.
[08:04.960 --> 08:06.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: But, beggars can't be choosers, right?
[08:07.380 --> 08:09.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, we dial zero plus the number.
[08:10.960 --> 08:14.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: And we get a Metro Express.
[08:14.620 --> 08:16.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, a Cellular Express operator.
[08:16.700 --> 08:18.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't quite know what Cellular Express is.
[08:18.280 --> 08:19.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: Some sort of a service that they offer.
[08:20.440 --> 08:26.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I speak to the operator and I say, Yeah, I want to bill this to my calling card.
[08:26.520 --> 08:29.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: And she says to me, Well, what's your calling card, sir?
[08:30.580 --> 08:32.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I say, Well, wait a minute.
[08:32.940 --> 08:34.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're on a cellular phone here.
[08:35.820 --> 08:40.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: If I say my calling card number, it's going out over the airwaves, unencrypted.
[08:40.980 --> 08:42.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: Anybody with a scanner can hear that.
[08:42.520 --> 08:44.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Surely, you know about these kind of things.
[08:44.800 --> 08:45.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they don't...
[08:45.520 --> 08:51.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: The high-seas operator doesn't even take calling card numbers anymore because it's so insecure.
[08:51.740 --> 08:52.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody knows this.
[08:54.400 --> 09:00.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, Well, sir, if you want me to place the call, I need to know your calling card number.
[09:01.200 --> 09:02.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, Well, look.
[09:03.020 --> 09:10.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: How am I supposed to give out my calling card number and expect a million people not to start using it immediately when I give it out?
[09:10.120 --> 09:18.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Can't I just simply call one of these automated things, you know, and enter my calling card number through the magic of touchstones?
[09:18.620 --> 09:19.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know those things?
[09:19.860 --> 09:20.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, no.
[09:20.720 --> 09:21.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: They don't have that.
[09:21.700 --> 09:23.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, actually, they said they might have it.
[09:23.400 --> 09:24.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: I should try calling again.
[09:24.700 --> 09:27.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes I'll get the automated system.
[09:27.200 --> 09:29.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I called about four or five different times.
[09:29.200 --> 09:33.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: And every time I kept getting an operator more dense than the next.
[09:35.040 --> 09:36.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a horrible scenario.
[09:38.820 --> 09:40.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I tried a couple of other things.
[09:41.100 --> 09:42.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: I tried a couple of other things.
[09:42.140 --> 09:42.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, Okay, look.
[09:43.700 --> 09:45.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: I can do a third number billing on this.
[09:46.560 --> 09:49.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: That way I don't have to use a calling card.
[09:49.000 --> 09:51.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I can actually bill it to another phone number.
[09:51.500 --> 09:54.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: And yes, there are certain numbers that you can bill to still.
[09:54.700 --> 10:02.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: I've taken all the numbers that I know of out of third number billing possibilities because it's just so easy for people to bill things to you.
[10:02.560 --> 10:03.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I suggest everybody does that too.
[10:04.000 --> 10:13.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's virtually no occurrence ever where you would want to bill something without any kind of verification to your phone number, without a calling card number or anything like that.
[10:14.200 --> 10:17.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: But 9x has a certain kind of bug, which we've discussed on this program before.
[10:18.040 --> 10:28.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you disconnect the phone number and you still maintain that phone number for a little while, in other words, if you put your recording on there saying that your number has been changed, well, guess what?
[10:28.760 --> 10:31.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: You can third number bill to that particular phone number.
[10:32.380 --> 10:33.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you'll even get the bill.
[10:34.080 --> 10:39.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Somehow you'll get a bill for calls made to a disconnected number or made from a disconnected number.
[10:39.580 --> 10:40.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty incredible.
[10:40.380 --> 10:42.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I figured, okay, I'll do that.
[10:43.080 --> 10:48.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I call the operator again and I say, yeah, okay, I want to bill to a third number.
[10:48.180 --> 10:54.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to bill to someone to a different phone number, no calling card numbers, nothing like that, nothing sensitive going out over the airwaves.
[10:55.320 --> 10:58.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: And she says, well, sir, I'm afraid you can't do that.
[10:59.080 --> 11:03.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're in Manhattan and we don't accept third number billing anywhere in Manhattan.
[11:04.440 --> 11:06.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, well, I'm on the Queensborough Bridge.
[11:06.120 --> 11:07.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not in Manhattan yet.
[11:07.060 --> 11:08.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm still on the East River.
[11:09.080 --> 11:10.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, surely you can see that.
[11:11.080 --> 11:12.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not there yet.
[11:12.020 --> 11:13.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not guilty of being a Manhattanite.
[11:14.600 --> 11:15.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: She said, sorry, sir.
[11:15.980 --> 11:18.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you turn around and go back to Queens, maybe you can do it then.
[11:20.540 --> 11:21.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: I say, thank you.
[11:21.460 --> 11:22.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
[11:22.820 --> 11:23.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: Next option.
[11:24.340 --> 11:28.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, they take Visa, they take MasterCard, they take American Express.
[11:29.680 --> 11:31.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Or they take credit cards is what they said.
[11:31.680 --> 11:32.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I call back again.
[11:32.580 --> 11:34.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: I say, okay, here's my Visa card.
[11:34.340 --> 11:36.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: I have this Visa card.
[11:36.220 --> 11:37.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I suggest everybody does this.
[11:38.220 --> 11:42.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: I should have a credit card that they have absolutely no respect for.
[11:42.860 --> 11:43.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right?
[11:43.560 --> 11:45.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's what I call a backup credit card.
[11:45.700 --> 11:48.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: One that you can take chances on and do things that you don't care about.
[11:49.240 --> 11:53.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: And if it means reading out your credit card number over the airwaves, then so be it.
[11:54.100 --> 11:57.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, if you lose that credit card, it's no biggie there.
[11:57.320 --> 12:03.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I had this particular credit card from some bank in some other state someplace.
[12:04.120 --> 12:06.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, okay, here's my credit card number.
[12:07.240 --> 12:10.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: And as I started to read it, they said, sir, that's a Visa number.
[12:10.920 --> 12:11.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't take Visa.
[12:12.340 --> 12:13.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: We take MasterCard.
[12:13.920 --> 12:15.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: We take American Express.
[12:15.680 --> 12:17.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: But we don't take Visa.
[12:17.440 --> 12:18.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, why not?
[12:18.860 --> 12:21.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you know I had a Visa card and not another kind of card?
[12:21.640 --> 12:22.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't you take Visa?
[12:23.400 --> 12:26.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: And she said, well, we just can't seem to work out building arrangements with them.
[12:28.280 --> 12:29.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty much like with your customers.
[12:29.820 --> 12:31.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: You have trouble working out building arrangements with them too.
[12:31.920 --> 12:34.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: I could sort of understand Visa's point of view.
[12:34.300 --> 12:35.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, didn't have a MasterCard I could use.
[12:35.900 --> 12:37.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: Didn't have an American Express I could use.
[12:37.280 --> 12:38.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I said, thank you very much.
[12:38.760 --> 12:39.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, hung up.
[12:42.200 --> 12:44.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's when I had a moral dilemma.
[12:45.140 --> 12:45.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: What to do?
[12:47.020 --> 12:59.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do I stay parked on the Queensborough Bridge while the person waiting for me here at WBAI waits and waits and waits and figures that I'm just standing them up and goes back and writes the worst possible slanderous piece about me that they could ever write?
[13:00.800 --> 13:04.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: Which might be fun in itself, but it didn't seem like the right thing to do.
[13:07.320 --> 13:09.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Or, do I give up everything I believe in?
[13:10.540 --> 13:16.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: Sacrifice all my ideals and read out my calling card number over the air?
[13:18.260 --> 13:22.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a long, agonizing decision, my friends, but one that had to be made.
[13:22.600 --> 13:23.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I made it.
[13:24.800 --> 13:25.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: I called up.
[13:27.320 --> 13:29.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, Metro Express, you win.
[13:30.360 --> 13:32.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, yeah, we knew you'd come around.
[13:32.500 --> 13:33.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: What's the number?
[13:35.780 --> 13:36.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I did it.
[13:36.980 --> 13:39.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: I read my credit card, my calling card number out over the airwaves.
[13:41.140 --> 13:42.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Read the whole thing out, just like that.
[13:43.040 --> 13:44.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I prefixed it.
[13:44.320 --> 13:55.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, okay, I'm about to read my AT&T calling card number out over the airwaves just to maybe make it clear to her that I was about to do something which really is not a good idea.
[13:56.240 --> 13:59.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, sure, they've made it illegal to listen.
[14:00.740 --> 14:02.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel so protected.
[14:02.200 --> 14:08.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: All these people that listened to my credit card, my calling card number earlier today, you were breaking the law.
[14:08.940 --> 14:10.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, that ought to keep you from using it.
[14:11.840 --> 14:13.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that I already have something on you.
[14:14.560 --> 14:16.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, I read the whole thing out to her.
[14:18.580 --> 14:29.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: And as I read off the last digit, she said to me, sir, I'm afraid we don't take those kind of calling card numbers.
[14:31.840 --> 14:35.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, those kind of calling card numbers?
[14:36.520 --> 14:41.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll have you know my AT&T calling card is equal to all other AT&T calling cards.
[14:41.540 --> 14:42.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not inferior.
[14:43.040 --> 14:45.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not a second class calling card.
[14:45.340 --> 14:49.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean you don't take this kind of calling card number?
[14:49.940 --> 14:56.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: And she said, sir, your calling card number has to sound like a phone number.
[14:57.640 --> 15:03.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: It has to have a 10-digit phone number plus four digits for us to be able to take it.
[15:04.640 --> 15:11.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I told her, you know, AT&T has not been giving out calling card numbers like that for quite some time because they're rather insecure.
[15:11.380 --> 15:15.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: It seems that you're only interested in having insecure calling card numbers here.
[15:16.600 --> 15:20.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: They generate 14-digit random numbers so that people can't figure them out.
[15:21.580 --> 15:24.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: And she said, well, we don't take those kind of calling card numbers.
[15:24.920 --> 15:26.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't take the secure kind.
[15:26.320 --> 15:27.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: We only take the insecure kind.
[15:28.120 --> 15:32.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: We also take some, you know, Bell Operating Company calling cards.
[15:32.800 --> 15:35.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, well, okay, would you take a NYNEX calling card?
[15:35.520 --> 15:37.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I figure I might as well keep going.
[15:37.060 --> 15:37.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm on a roll here.
[15:37.880 --> 15:39.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: I've compromised my AT&T calling card.
[15:39.500 --> 15:40.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I should go for the NYNEX one too.
[15:41.100 --> 15:44.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: That one has a 10-digit phone number followed by four digits of a PIN.
[15:45.600 --> 15:47.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: But she said, no, we don't take NYNEX.
[15:47.700 --> 15:48.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: No particular reason.
[15:48.820 --> 15:49.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: We just don't take it.
[15:51.200 --> 15:52.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I said, okay, thank you very much.
[15:53.020 --> 15:53.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: That will be all.
[15:54.380 --> 15:55.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: I hung up the phone.
[15:55.680 --> 15:59.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: For the next 15 minutes, I waited to get off the Queensborough Bridge.
[15:59.860 --> 16:02.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I found the payphone and I made my call from there.
[16:02.520 --> 16:06.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: The lesson here is that cellular phones suck.
[16:06.820 --> 16:07.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right?
[16:07.880 --> 16:08.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't use them.
[16:09.040 --> 16:09.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: They're insecure.
[16:10.400 --> 16:11.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: They're terrible.
[16:11.200 --> 16:19.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: They cost a lot of money and they don't get you anything that a piece of wire and a couple of tin cans won't get you.
[16:21.720 --> 16:23.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's my tale of wall.
[16:23.220 --> 16:29.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, now I have to call AT&T and cancel my calling card because I just am convinced that it went out to so many people.
[16:29.860 --> 16:32.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they don't have an automated system.
[16:32.160 --> 16:36.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Even though punching in your calling card using Touch-Tones would not be a good idea.
[16:36.440 --> 16:39.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: It still would be better than having to speak it out loud.
[16:39.520 --> 16:40.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: But that is their policy.
[16:40.900 --> 16:44.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the only way you can make a phone call on this system is to speak it out loud.
[16:46.600 --> 16:46.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Unbelievable.
[16:48.700 --> 16:54.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's my tale of wall as far as cellular service.
[16:54.940 --> 16:58.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't have very many cellular horror stories to tell because I don't have a cellular phone.
[16:58.420 --> 17:00.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is why I will not get a cellular phone.
[17:02.340 --> 17:04.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: Even when you don't have service, you feel like you're being ripped off.
[17:05.700 --> 17:06.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: Incredible.
[17:07.040 --> 17:10.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: I did have a fun tale with NYNEX, though.
[17:12.000 --> 17:16.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Last week, I called NYNEX to have something taken care of.
[17:17.340 --> 17:18.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I called kind of late.
[17:18.700 --> 17:20.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, sometimes I call late.
[17:20.880 --> 17:22.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, there's no way around it.
[17:23.360 --> 17:25.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: And what's the worst thing that can happen?
[17:25.180 --> 17:32.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you call really late, all right, like we're going to call now, you waste a lot of time to find out they're closed.
[17:36.980 --> 17:38.800]  [SPEAKER_16]: Thank you for calling NYNEX.
[17:39.140 --> 17:42.920]  [SPEAKER_16]: If you are calling from a Touch-Tone phone, press 1 now.
[17:43.300 --> 17:47.780]  [SPEAKER_16]: If calling from a rotary phone, please wait for a NYNEX service representative.
[17:48.140 --> 17:50.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we have a Touch-Tone phone, so we'll hit 1.
[17:50.560 --> 17:56.420]  [SPEAKER_16]: To help us direct your call, listen to the instructions and respond by pressing the buttons on your telephone.
[17:56.440 --> 17:57.100]  [SPEAKER_16]: Okay, okay.
[17:57.280 --> 18:00.260]  [SPEAKER_16]: If you are calling about your bill, press 1.
[18:00.640 --> 18:05.120]  [SPEAKER_16]: If you are calling about your long-distance calls, press 2.
[18:05.440 --> 18:09.360]  [SPEAKER_16]: If you are calling about a repair problem, press 3.
[18:09.760 --> 18:13.180]  [SPEAKER_16]: If you are calling to place an order, press 4.
[18:13.500 --> 18:19.100]  [SPEAKER_16]: If you are calling for any other reason, you can reach a NYNEX service representative by pressing 0.
[18:19.440 --> 18:23.160]  [SPEAKER_16]: If you want to hear these choices again, press the star button.
[18:23.340 --> 18:25.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'm going to hit 0 to get a NYNEX representative.
[18:25.760 --> 18:26.780]  [SPEAKER_16]: Please stay on the line.
[18:26.860 --> 18:29.100]  [SPEAKER_16]: A NYNEX service representative will help you.
[18:29.140 --> 18:29.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Great, thank you.
[18:29.760 --> 18:30.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.
[18:33.700 --> 18:35.480]  [SPEAKER_16]: NYNEX resident service center is closed.
[18:35.740 --> 18:37.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they're closed.
[18:38.520 --> 18:39.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, how long did that take?
[18:39.660 --> 18:41.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: That took about two minutes to find out they were closed?
[18:42.200 --> 18:45.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: That should be the first thing they tell you is that they're closed.
[18:45.860 --> 18:47.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, that didn't happen this time.
[18:47.540 --> 18:49.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: This time, I called them and they were open.
[18:49.260 --> 18:51.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: They were open and they put me on hold.
[18:51.360 --> 18:55.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was about 7.50 and they closed at 8 o'clock.
[18:55.460 --> 18:57.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I knew that it was cutting it kind of close.
[18:57.540 --> 19:02.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: But I figured, you know, if I got in before the final bell rang, I'd make it okay.
[19:03.160 --> 19:04.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: So 8 o'clock comes around.
[19:04.480 --> 19:06.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm still on musical hold at playing those nice little tunes.
[19:07.360 --> 19:12.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm beginning to wonder, you know, what happens to those calls that are on hold at 8 o'clock?
[19:12.340 --> 19:18.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, do they just throw off their headsets and walk out the door and not bother to check to see if anyone is on hold?
[19:18.240 --> 19:19.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that a possibility here?
[19:21.480 --> 19:25.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: Around 8.10 or so, I was saying, yeah, I think that is a possibility.
[19:26.240 --> 19:28.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: And at a quarter after, I decided to try a little experiment.
[19:29.120 --> 19:35.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I went out, you know, because some people wanted me to go out and, you know, make merry and have food and that kind of thing.
[19:36.000 --> 19:38.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: So we went out and had a fine old time.
[19:38.660 --> 19:47.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: And a couple of hours later, actually about three hours later, I came back, you know, stumbled into the house and picked up the phone and the same musical hold was still there.
[19:48.120 --> 19:50.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: They had left me on hold for the night.
[19:50.520 --> 19:57.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I only wonder, you know, if I didn't need the phone, I would have left it on the hook, off the hook all night long into the morning.
[19:57.620 --> 20:01.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, I would have even stayed up just to see who picked up the phone in the morning.
[20:01.980 --> 20:05.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure if they will actually do that or if they'll just disconnect everything when they walk in.
[20:06.060 --> 20:08.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: But you might want to try that sometime.
[20:08.420 --> 20:12.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: Call them up at around 7.55, you know, to make it safe that you don't actually get somebody.
[20:12.540 --> 20:17.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Although, to be honest, you won't get anybody for, you know, at least 10 or 15 minutes before closing, I'm sure.
[20:18.300 --> 20:31.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: And keep the phone off the hook all night long, stay up till around whatever time they open, 8 o'clock or whatever, and see if someone picks up and just having to mention to them when they pick up, you know, I've been on hold now for 12 hours.
[20:33.660 --> 20:35.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you'll get better service.
[20:35.240 --> 20:35.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Who knows?
[20:37.460 --> 20:38.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't count on it, though.
[20:38.960 --> 20:45.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's something that I would not necessarily have any faith in.
[20:48.300 --> 20:50.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-oh, what is this?
[20:50.300 --> 20:51.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Sounds familiar.
[20:51.920 --> 20:52.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: Where have I heard this before?
[20:53.920 --> 20:56.080]  [SPEAKER_08]: The world can be so cold.
[20:56.080 --> 20:56.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
[20:57.340 --> 20:59.600]  [SPEAKER_08]: No time to share the time.
[21:00.320 --> 21:03.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: You make new friends, then lose the old.
[21:04.260 --> 21:07.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: So much lost until you find we're all connected.
[21:07.820 --> 21:09.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Is there a way we can stop this, please?
[21:10.600 --> 21:11.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're all connected.
[21:11.240 --> 21:13.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: Don't let your friendship slip away.
[21:14.300 --> 21:16.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're all connected.
[21:17.540 --> 21:20.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: So the call can make a day.
[21:23.100 --> 21:29.900]  [SPEAKER_08]: You've got to make the choice to share your heart and share your voice.
[21:30.140 --> 21:31.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, all right, all right.
[21:31.080 --> 21:32.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't stand it anymore.
[21:32.680 --> 21:32.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wow.
[21:33.580 --> 21:38.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the first time anything like that has ever, ever aired on this radio station.
[21:38.260 --> 21:46.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: That, uh, it's a song that I think is used for, uh, the old New York Telephone, uh, Yeah, we have a tape of New York Telephone commercials.
[21:47.020 --> 21:48.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't ask how we got it.
[21:49.200 --> 21:53.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, we got it and we're going to have some, uh, some fun with it in future weeks.
[21:55.660 --> 21:58.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Did anybody ever look over this thing?
[21:58.180 --> 22:01.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: You've got to make the choice to use your, your heart and voice?
[22:01.880 --> 22:02.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what they say?
[22:03.760 --> 22:06.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what are they drinking down there?
[22:07.840 --> 22:08.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Phiber Optik, welcome.
[22:09.720 --> 22:10.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[22:10.500 --> 22:10.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: How are you?
[22:11.280 --> 22:11.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[22:11.600 --> 22:17.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, we have some interesting things going on this New Year's Eve involving the system you work on which is, uh, called Echo.
[22:17.660 --> 22:17.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[22:18.000 --> 22:18.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Want to tell us about that?
[22:18.980 --> 22:19.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: Sure.
[22:19.720 --> 22:27.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, Echo is taking part with, uh, a lot of other companies for, uh, something called First Night.
[22:28.060 --> 22:39.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: And First Night being the first night of the year is a celebration that, uh, happens in a lot of major cities all over the country and in fact, uh, various, uh, cities all over the world.
[22:41.140 --> 22:48.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: And Echo will be set up on, I know it's going to be on the balcony.
[22:48.460 --> 22:50.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: Do you remember if it was the East or the West balcony?
[22:50.600 --> 22:52.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, I don't, it's in Grand Central Station.
[22:52.480 --> 22:53.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's in Grand Central Station.
[22:53.900 --> 22:55.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's an important fact there.
[22:55.040 --> 22:57.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, yeah, I should mention which balcony since there's quite a few.
[22:58.180 --> 22:58.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[22:58.680 --> 23:05.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: But, uh, it's a balcony in Grand Central Station and there's going to be all kinds of merriment and stuff going on on New Year's Eve at Grand Central.
[23:05.540 --> 23:06.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: What is this?
[23:06.240 --> 23:07.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Grand Central Station?
[23:07.580 --> 23:07.800]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[23:08.040 --> 23:09.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I've always wanted to say that.
[23:09.620 --> 23:14.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so you're actually going to be setting up in Grand Central Station Yes.
[23:14.780 --> 23:16.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: what exactly is going to be sp attacker?
[23:16.080 --> 23:20.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, there's going to be lots of dancing and music and fun stuff.
[23:20.500 --> 23:21.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: But we're not taking part in that.
[23:21.780 --> 23:22.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, not at all.
[23:22.840 --> 23:23.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[23:23.280 --> 23:24.760]  [SPEAKER_14]: We're much too serious for that.
[23:24.840 --> 23:25.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're sedate.
[23:25.680 --> 23:25.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[23:26.020 --> 23:30.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: We're going to have some computers set up, I believe in both Macs and PCs.
[23:31.620 --> 23:34.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: And we're going to have connections to the World Wide Web.
[23:34.820 --> 23:40.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: People wandering by will be able to check out Mosaic and Netscape and so on and so forth.
[23:40.440 --> 23:42.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, how do people wander by in a balcony?
[23:43.500 --> 23:46.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, as I understand, it's a rather large balcony.
[23:46.640 --> 23:49.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: So I guess there's plenty of room for wandering.
[23:49.280 --> 23:51.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, let's hope they wander in an orderly fashion.
[23:52.380 --> 23:52.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[23:53.860 --> 23:55.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, what's the date on this?
[23:55.520 --> 23:56.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: New Year's Eve.
[23:56.200 --> 23:56.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: New Year's Eve.
[23:56.720 --> 23:57.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's called First Night.
[23:58.040 --> 23:59.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Wouldn't that be last night?
[23:59.700 --> 24:01.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the last night of the year, not the first night of the year.
[24:02.500 --> 24:04.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: The first night of the year would be January 1st.
[24:04.160 --> 24:05.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it lasts after midnight.
[24:05.620 --> 24:06.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't mean to be picky here.
[24:06.700 --> 24:08.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's the morning then if it lasts after midnight.
[24:08.600 --> 24:11.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, well, I mean, we certainly didn't make the name up.
[24:12.040 --> 24:13.060]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, it's not your name.
[24:13.200 --> 24:14.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's what the city came up with.
[24:14.040 --> 24:15.520]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's what the world came up with.
[24:15.520 --> 24:16.280]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'll take it up with them.
[24:16.280 --> 24:17.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's just a tradition.
[24:17.340 --> 24:19.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I'll make a phone call tomorrow about that.
[24:19.960 --> 24:21.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess that's not right, though.
[24:21.220 --> 24:21.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: It should be called...
[24:21.580 --> 24:24.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, call NATO, call the UN, call somebody.
[24:24.200 --> 24:25.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's not the first night.
[24:25.160 --> 24:25.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's the last night.
[24:26.080 --> 24:26.280]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[24:26.620 --> 24:29.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: And we're also going to have a connection to Echo.
[24:30.140 --> 24:32.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: And we'll be running a chat system.
[24:32.300 --> 24:33.920]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, we always run a chat system on Echo.
[24:33.920 --> 24:36.520]  [SPEAKER_14]: But we have a special account set up.
[24:37.780 --> 24:41.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: And no doubt people from all over the net will be connecting in.
[24:42.500 --> 24:45.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: And you'll be able to wander by and chat with people as well.
[24:45.380 --> 24:47.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now, we were going to give out the account on the air.
[24:47.760 --> 24:53.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: But we figured that since it's still some time before Saturday night, we figured that would probably be a bad idea.
[24:53.540 --> 25:13.060]  [SPEAKER_14]: So what we'll do is we invite you to call Echo on Friday or Saturday, you know, obviously sometime a lot closer to New Year's Eve, to find out what the account is if you're in the local area or going to be near a computer that you could get on the net with and you'd like to check out the first night chat on Echo.
[25:13.260 --> 25:13.460]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[25:13.620 --> 25:19.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: Just give us a call around Friday or Saturday at 212-255-3839.
[25:20.100 --> 25:21.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's our office number.
[25:21.440 --> 25:23.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: And we'll give you the account for first night.
[25:23.820 --> 25:25.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you're using a cellular phone, God help you.
[25:26.560 --> 25:27.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think of that?
[25:27.980 --> 25:30.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, that's pretty outrageous.
[25:30.360 --> 25:32.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: Does that drive with your experiences with cellular phones?
[25:32.700 --> 25:50.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: It makes me wonder if they're doing the same kind of business that a lot of alternative long-distance services were doing a few years ago, which was they'll only accept calling cards of the format of an area code and telephone number with a pin at the end.
[25:50.360 --> 25:53.620]  [SPEAKER_14]: And, in fact, they were so liberal that they didn't care if they were valid or not.
[25:53.740 --> 25:55.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: They would just bill the first ten digits.
[25:55.500 --> 25:56.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: They didn't care what the pin was.
[25:57.460 --> 25:59.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, so it would have been third number billing no matter what.
[25:59.820 --> 26:00.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[26:00.120 --> 26:05.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: So I'd be curious to see if they were pulling some kind of finagling just like that.
[26:05.460 --> 26:15.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if they don't have the technical know-how to have an automated calling card system, they probably don't have the technical know-how to actually verify the calling cards in the first place.
[26:15.060 --> 26:15.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's highly likely.
[26:16.200 --> 26:16.320]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[26:16.540 --> 26:18.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I had something to think about there.
[26:18.260 --> 26:20.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: But here we were, you know, with a phone.
[26:20.720 --> 26:21.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, we had the answer.
[26:21.980 --> 26:24.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Answered all the problems in the world and we couldn't make a phone call.
[26:25.920 --> 26:28.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: Nothing is more frustrating to a phone freak.
[26:28.880 --> 26:33.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, I probably would have used some other credit cards.
[26:34.100 --> 26:37.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: I probably would have done something even more stupid than reading off my calling card number.
[26:37.880 --> 26:43.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: Except by the time this has all gone through, it's taken like 40 minutes of discussion on the bridge.
[26:43.340 --> 26:45.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I would have made a great Seinfeld episode or something.
[26:45.960 --> 26:48.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: We had been on the other... we were on the other side of Manhattan.
[26:48.800 --> 26:50.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: On the other side of the bridge in Manhattan.
[26:50.460 --> 26:50.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: We were there.
[26:50.980 --> 26:53.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I just had to get out of the car and go to a payphone.
[26:54.220 --> 26:56.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, make a normal phone call like a human being.
[26:58.240 --> 27:02.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: But, yeah, that's the current state of cellular phones.
[27:02.460 --> 27:03.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: Things like that.
[27:03.540 --> 27:04.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, we're taking phone calls.
[27:04.540 --> 27:05.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: 212-279-3400.
[27:06.320 --> 27:07.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Tell us what's on your mind.
[27:08.080 --> 27:09.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: Anything new on the net this week?
[27:09.980 --> 27:11.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: Anything new on the net?
[27:11.120 --> 27:14.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, gee, there's always new stuff going on on the net.
[27:16.800 --> 27:17.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: Let's see.
[27:18.620 --> 27:21.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: Unfortunately, nothing really reaches out and grabs at me as I think.
[27:22.100 --> 27:24.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think it's been a rather ordinary net week.
[27:24.440 --> 27:25.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: Net week.
[27:25.040 --> 27:27.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, that's a great name for a magazine there.
[27:28.740 --> 27:29.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a phone call.
[27:30.080 --> 27:30.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on.
[27:31.960 --> 27:32.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hello?
[27:32.600 --> 27:33.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, go ahead.
[27:33.420 --> 27:40.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm just recently becoming interested in the net and basically through your show and reading about it in magazines.
[27:40.520 --> 27:45.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I wanted to get on from my home computer, but it seems to be very expensive.
[27:45.920 --> 27:51.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: I tried Echo because of all the great things I've heard about it, but it's very expensive.
[27:51.880 --> 27:54.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: Is there any way you can get on at a reasonable price?
[27:54.600 --> 27:55.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, what do you consider reasonable?
[27:56.540 --> 27:56.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[27:57.120 --> 27:57.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: $10 a month?
[27:59.000 --> 27:59.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: What does Echo charge?
[28:00.400 --> 28:02.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: $20 a month, roughly.
[28:02.280 --> 28:02.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: $19.95.
[28:03.380 --> 28:06.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Plus, don't you have to pay another $10 to use the net?
[28:06.760 --> 28:12.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: If you want to be able to tell net around and use all the facilities of the net directly, yeah, it would be $29.95.
[28:12.980 --> 28:15.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, so it's actually more than $30 a month?
[28:15.200 --> 28:15.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[28:15.960 --> 28:16.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[28:17.080 --> 28:18.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there are other services around.
[28:19.120 --> 28:21.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we've gone over them before in the past.
[28:22.480 --> 28:28.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Pretty much the cheapest you'll find, I think, is about $17 a month.
[28:28.160 --> 28:30.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's about the cheapest you can get.
[28:30.960 --> 28:37.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, if you just want Internet access and you don't want access to Echo's bulletin board service, it's going to be $19.95.
[28:38.320 --> 28:38.620]  [SPEAKER_14]: There you go.
[28:38.680 --> 28:39.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's pretty close to that.
[28:40.280 --> 28:40.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[28:40.700 --> 28:42.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, maybe I'll give it a try then.
[28:42.360 --> 28:42.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks a lot.
[28:42.940 --> 28:43.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[28:43.180 --> 28:43.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good luck.
[28:43.960 --> 28:44.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: Bye.
[28:45.160 --> 28:48.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think cheap Internet access is what a lot of people are after.
[28:50.280 --> 28:52.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: And hopefully there'll be more of it around.
[28:54.000 --> 28:57.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, provided that the net service providers start dropping their prices.
[28:57.480 --> 29:00.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, you obviously have to cover the cost somehow.
[29:00.180 --> 29:00.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[29:00.760 --> 29:01.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on.
[29:02.600 --> 29:02.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hello?
[29:03.280 --> 29:03.480]  [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah.
[29:03.660 --> 29:03.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.
[29:04.280 --> 29:04.600]  [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[29:04.600 --> 29:07.040]  [SPEAKER_20]: Hey, I was just wondering about the clipper chip.
[29:07.500 --> 29:09.940]  [SPEAKER_20]: It's not going to go into effect next year or this year?
[29:10.320 --> 29:11.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to go into effect at all.
[29:11.720 --> 29:13.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: It hasn't been passed or anything.
[29:14.340 --> 29:14.800]  [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, nothing.
[29:14.840 --> 29:16.020]  [SPEAKER_20]: It's just dead right now, right?
[29:16.180 --> 29:17.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right now, it's pretty dead.
[29:17.800 --> 29:19.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't mean it's going to stay dead.
[29:19.980 --> 29:26.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: They could always come up with something similar to it if they don't revive it, you know, as the clipper chip itself.
[29:26.700 --> 29:27.060]  [SPEAKER_20]: Right.
[29:27.220 --> 29:27.480]  [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[29:27.620 --> 29:28.060]  [SPEAKER_20]: Thanks a lot.
[29:28.280 --> 29:28.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[29:29.780 --> 29:34.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: Digital telephony, on the other hand, that's very much alive and in effect.
[29:34.600 --> 29:37.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: In a lot of ways, I think that that serves them a lot better.
[29:37.660 --> 29:38.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: Digital telephony?
[29:38.580 --> 29:38.800]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[29:38.860 --> 29:40.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: They don't have to make you buy anything.
[29:40.600 --> 29:43.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's true, but it doesn't serve us very well, I don't think.
[29:43.540 --> 29:44.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, not at all.
[29:44.400 --> 29:44.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
[29:44.940 --> 29:51.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, basically, just to review this for people, digital telephony is the law that was just recently passed.
[29:51.540 --> 29:52.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you know what bothers me?
[29:52.620 --> 29:58.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was passed without any kind of accountability on the part of the people that passed it.
[29:58.360 --> 29:59.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: We don't know who voted for it.
[30:00.020 --> 30:01.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, are you familiar with that?
[30:01.200 --> 30:05.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: They can vote for something and they just vote as a unit.
[30:05.760 --> 30:05.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[30:06.100 --> 30:07.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's no recorded vote.
[30:07.740 --> 30:08.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: They voted as a majority.
[30:08.920 --> 30:19.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: It makes you wonder if the whole thing wasn't just one big chess game where they had two ideas, one digital telephony and the other Clipper, and they figure, let's try Clipper first and see how it's accepted.
[30:19.600 --> 30:30.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: And since it blew up and there was so much complaints and controversy, that they kind of slipped in digital telephony as soon as Clipper began to die.
[30:31.280 --> 30:32.860]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's almost like they planned it that way.
[30:32.860 --> 30:35.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: They were pretty much both around for a while.
[30:35.860 --> 30:46.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Digital telephony, though, is scary because it mandates that every phone company install within their phone systems the ability to listen in on phone calls.
[30:47.620 --> 30:49.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not quite sure how simple it has to be.
[30:49.980 --> 30:52.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have any idea what the technological thing is?
[30:52.240 --> 30:56.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't know if they actually have drawn up any kind of specs about what's necessary.
[30:56.440 --> 30:59.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think the general idea is just easy remote access.
[30:59.700 --> 30:59.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[31:02.860 --> 31:07.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: Dispatchments with, you know, with phones attaching to wires and things like that.
[31:07.640 --> 31:09.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, you just, what, Touch-Tone phone?
[31:09.320 --> 31:15.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, as far as I know, I mean, it could be something as easy as dialing a special phone number and entering in a special code.
[31:15.700 --> 31:15.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[31:16.600 --> 31:24.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you know that hackers are going to figure this out, and of course we'll take the full blame for it when we do, but this is something we're telling you right here and now.
[31:25.120 --> 31:27.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a bad idea to have something like that.
[31:27.580 --> 31:29.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be abused.
[31:29.280 --> 31:31.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be abused by a lot of people.
[31:31.840 --> 31:41.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, unfortunately, it's now law, and we sort of have the Electronic Frontier Foundation to thank for that, too, because they sort of rolled over and said, okay, you guys can do it.
[31:44.200 --> 31:47.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: By the way, there's rumors of all kinds of changes going on over there, too.
[31:47.700 --> 31:47.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[31:48.060 --> 31:48.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[31:48.320 --> 31:50.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Jerry Berman has been fired, I heard.
[31:50.240 --> 31:50.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, really?
[31:50.920 --> 31:51.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: I haven't heard anything.
[31:51.320 --> 31:52.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: The Leader of Electron just came in today.
[31:53.540 --> 31:54.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: He's been booted.
[31:55.000 --> 31:55.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[31:55.600 --> 31:58.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: And supposedly they're going to try to get back to their grassroots.
[31:59.540 --> 32:00.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's nice.
[32:00.660 --> 32:05.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of hard to tear down the skyscrapers and go back to the grassroots, but we'll see what happens.
[32:05.820 --> 32:07.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we didn't like Jerry anyway.
[32:08.000 --> 32:09.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: Jerry is an interesting person, I'll just say that.
[32:11.060 --> 32:12.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: I've said that about a few other people in history.
[32:13.120 --> 32:14.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: There have been three people in history I've said that about.
[32:15.360 --> 32:16.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: You figure it out.
[32:17.900 --> 32:19.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: 212-279-3400.
[32:19.920 --> 32:20.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on.
[32:22.000 --> 32:22.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hello?
[32:22.980 --> 32:23.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hello, yes.
[32:23.720 --> 32:24.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.
[32:24.480 --> 32:25.040]  [SPEAKER_10]: WBI?
[32:25.240 --> 32:25.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you're on.
[32:26.460 --> 32:29.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: I have a question about prepaid calling cards.
[32:30.000 --> 32:30.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[32:30.480 --> 32:31.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: Prepaid calling cards.
[32:31.920 --> 32:46.640]  [SPEAKER_10]: I use Vip, and I found out when I call to, I mean, there is a beep that it tells you that you have only one minute remaining on the card.
[32:46.640 --> 32:47.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Correct.
[32:47.360 --> 32:54.020]  [SPEAKER_10]: If you hang up at that moment, the card doesn't charge you anything.
[32:54.300 --> 32:56.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, the balance remains the same.
[32:56.960 --> 33:02.580]  [SPEAKER_10]: Now, my question is, will that call, the call will be sent to South America?
[33:03.200 --> 33:04.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, wait, let me see if I understand this.
[33:04.780 --> 33:09.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: When you hang up, when you hear the beep, you're saying it doesn't charge you at all?
[33:09.500 --> 33:14.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, because I call again using that card, and the balance is the same.
[33:14.580 --> 33:15.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: The same as when you started?
[33:15.820 --> 33:16.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[33:17.220 --> 33:18.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly the same.
[33:19.400 --> 33:20.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: It didn't count the minutes.
[33:20.880 --> 33:23.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's say you had a $5 card, okay?
[33:23.520 --> 33:24.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that the right kind of amount?
[33:24.960 --> 33:25.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[33:25.400 --> 33:29.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, and then you make your call, and then it gets down to one minute, you get a beep, you hang up at that moment.
[33:30.340 --> 33:33.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: When you call again, when you call again, you'll have $5 on the card.
[33:33.320 --> 33:33.580]  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[33:33.680 --> 33:35.400]  [SPEAKER_10]: I call back, and I still have the $5.
[33:36.260 --> 33:37.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: Have you tried this more than once?
[33:37.800 --> 33:38.920]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, a lot of times.
[33:39.100 --> 33:39.820]  You know, I'm concerned about South America.
[33:45.770 --> 33:47.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: Which company is this?
[33:47.930 --> 33:48.210]  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
[33:48.370 --> 33:57.190]  [SPEAKER_10]: It's one of the prepaid cards they sell in the houses where you can make long-distance calls.
[33:57.570 --> 33:59.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: They sell them in the houses where you can make long-distance calls?
[33:59.830 --> 34:03.650]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's like Claudio Telecommunication, something like that.
[34:03.650 --> 34:04.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[34:05.390 --> 34:06.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are you familiar with that?
[34:07.250 --> 34:08.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: Sounds like, yeah?
[34:09.010 --> 34:09.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are we?
[34:13.350 --> 34:17.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: These aren't the equivalent of, like, 7-Eleven cards?
[34:18.070 --> 34:19.270]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, something like that, yeah.
[34:19.470 --> 34:19.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[34:20.170 --> 34:22.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: But what you do, basically, is you call an 800 number.
[34:22.730 --> 34:25.810]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I call a long-distance number.
[34:25.990 --> 34:26.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[34:26.490 --> 34:28.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: But you have to call an 800 number first, don't you?
[34:28.210 --> 34:31.630]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I have to dial, like, a code number, like nine numbers.
[34:31.810 --> 34:32.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[34:32.710 --> 34:35.030]  [SPEAKER_10]: First of all, I have to dial an 800 number.
[34:35.670 --> 34:38.350]  [SPEAKER_10]: Then I have to dial these nine digits.
[34:38.650 --> 34:39.090]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[34:39.230 --> 34:45.750]  [SPEAKER_10]: And then the operator, the automated operator, tells me that I have $10 balance on that card.
[34:46.350 --> 34:49.210]  [SPEAKER_10]: So I place, she tells me to place a call.
[34:49.470 --> 34:57.110]  [SPEAKER_10]: I place a call, and then I talk, and when it comes to about a minute, I hear a beep, and I hang up.
[34:57.270 --> 34:57.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[34:57.750 --> 35:00.450]  [SPEAKER_10]: And I call again, and it's still $10.
[35:00.990 --> 35:05.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, now, you have nothing to worry about, because, first of all, how would they even know where to bill you?
[35:08.610 --> 35:09.250]  [SPEAKER_10]: South America?
[35:09.570 --> 35:11.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, how would they know who you were?
[35:11.990 --> 35:14.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: The whole point of these cards is that you can be anonymous.
[35:15.170 --> 35:16.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: He's worried about them reversing the charges.
[35:16.950 --> 35:19.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they have authority to bill people in South America.
[35:19.550 --> 35:20.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you have to worry about that, either.
[35:21.610 --> 35:21.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[35:22.610 --> 35:29.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: But what I'm curious about, though, is, is this something that's just one company, or is this something that's, that's all the phone cards are like this?
[35:29.450 --> 35:29.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't know.
[35:29.890 --> 35:30.710]  [SPEAKER_10]: I didn't invite me to hang up.
[35:39.800 --> 35:39.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[35:40.020 --> 35:41.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: And then I call, I place a change.
[35:45.670 --> 35:46.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you've done...
[35:46.270 --> 35:47.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I found it a big mistake.
[35:47.790 --> 35:49.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: Have you done this with more than one card?
[35:50.130 --> 35:53.190]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, only with the same company card, with more than one card, yes.
[35:53.310 --> 35:54.090]  [SPEAKER_10]: But same company.
[35:54.090 --> 36:00.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: My question is, then, how did you manage to, to, uh, to lose the money on the first card, to maybe to try on a second card?
[36:00.890 --> 36:01.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you just let it run out?
[36:02.550 --> 36:06.910]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, at the, when I have one minute remaining, I hang up.
[36:07.070 --> 36:07.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[36:07.410 --> 36:12.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I call in another country.
[36:12.340 --> 36:12.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[36:12.600 --> 36:13.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: And my balance is the same.
[36:14.080 --> 36:14.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[36:14.500 --> 36:18.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm saying, if you had that kind of a card, where you can just keep doing that, you would never have to get a second card.
[36:19.300 --> 36:20.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's correct.
[36:20.460 --> 36:22.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but you did get a second card anyway.
[36:22.320 --> 36:23.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, I haven't got it.
[36:23.160 --> 36:27.620]  [SPEAKER_10]: I have used that card for, uh, like, uh, about two, three weeks.
[36:27.820 --> 36:29.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so you, you only have one card?
[36:29.720 --> 36:29.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[36:30.120 --> 36:39.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so what it could be, you could just have a broken code or something, I don't know, a magical code that never, never disappears, and it might not have anything to do with the fact that you hang up...
[36:39.620 --> 36:41.780]  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, no, no, no, I know what you, your point, you are going to.
[36:42.060 --> 36:44.580]  [SPEAKER_10]: But, you know, I told some friends about this.
[36:44.680 --> 36:44.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[36:45.220 --> 36:46.500]  [SPEAKER_10]: And they are doing the same thing.
[36:46.600 --> 36:47.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: And it works for their cards, too.
[36:47.820 --> 36:49.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, are they using the same company?
[36:49.620 --> 36:50.560]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, the same company.
[36:50.660 --> 36:51.980]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I haven't trained in another company.
[36:53.160 --> 36:53.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: Probably is that company.
[36:54.100 --> 36:57.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: I would doubt it's every single, uh, um, card that does that.
[36:57.880 --> 36:58.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's...
[36:58.360 --> 37:01.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are you sure that it's dependent on hanging up at that moment?
[37:02.280 --> 37:02.720]  [SPEAKER_10]: Excuse me?
[37:02.960 --> 37:05.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are you sure that you have to hang up right at that moment?
[37:05.900 --> 37:06.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly.
[37:07.020 --> 37:12.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: When, uh, when I hear the beep, I have to hang up.
[37:13.220 --> 37:16.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, uh, and if you wait too long, or...
[37:16.320 --> 37:18.180]  [SPEAKER_10]: The, the, the balance is lost.
[37:18.440 --> 37:18.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: I see.
[37:19.040 --> 37:20.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: So how quickly after the beep do you have to hang up?
[37:21.280 --> 37:25.780]  [SPEAKER_10]: It's, uh, it's, you know, it's like a, uh, like a touchdown beep.
[37:26.340 --> 37:29.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: At that moment, you have like three seconds to hang up.
[37:29.520 --> 37:29.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[37:29.620 --> 37:33.020]  [SPEAKER_10]: So I, I, with my watch, I figure out when it's going to come out, you know.
[37:33.020 --> 37:33.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[37:33.220 --> 37:35.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: And I, uh, I'm ready to hang up.
[37:36.420 --> 37:37.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's fascinating.
[37:37.560 --> 37:41.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't really have an answer as far as, as why it's happening.
[37:41.880 --> 37:44.000]  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know if I can, uh...
[37:44.000 --> 37:45.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: I also don't know why your phone is ringing.
[37:45.900 --> 37:47.180]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, yeah, I stopped on the phone.
[37:47.680 --> 37:48.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm working.
[37:49.540 --> 37:51.700]  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know if I can give you the...
[37:52.400 --> 37:52.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
[37:54.000 --> 37:54.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Excuse this guy here.
[37:56.240 --> 37:58.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, it already has been interrupted.
[37:58.180 --> 37:58.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[37:58.700 --> 38:02.040]  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know if I can give you this phone number of the year.
[38:02.280 --> 38:03.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, well, yeah.
[38:03.220 --> 38:09.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you probably better give it to us off the air because, um, uh, we could be accused of all kinds of conspiracy if, uh, if we give it on the air.
[38:10.100 --> 38:10.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[38:10.500 --> 38:13.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: But let's just say that, uh, well, what neighborhood are you in?
[38:13.520 --> 38:14.600]  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, right now I'm working.
[38:14.720 --> 38:15.140]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm in Manhattan.
[38:15.380 --> 38:16.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, where, where do you get the cards?
[38:17.020 --> 38:17.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to say specifically.
[38:18.080 --> 38:18.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, it's in Queens.
[38:18.800 --> 38:22.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: So somewhere in Queens, you can buy cards that, uh, have this feature.
[38:22.980 --> 38:24.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, maybe it is a feature.
[38:24.640 --> 38:25.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[38:25.120 --> 38:27.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: But, um, it might actually make the things worthwhile.
[38:27.640 --> 38:29.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: Because ordinarily, they're kind of expensive, aren't they?
[38:29.820 --> 38:30.120]  [SPEAKER_10]: Huh?
[38:30.480 --> 38:32.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, how much do they charge per minute to call South America?
[38:32.940 --> 38:33.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: 79 cents.
[38:34.080 --> 38:35.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's more than it costs, isn't it?
[38:36.140 --> 38:37.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: 79 cents a minute.
[38:37.360 --> 38:38.240]  [SPEAKER_10]: Any place in the world.
[38:38.780 --> 38:39.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[38:39.660 --> 38:39.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[38:40.140 --> 38:41.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's a bit much, I think.
[38:42.260 --> 38:44.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: It could be worse, actually, but it still is a bit much.
[38:44.980 --> 38:45.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[38:45.160 --> 38:46.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Any place in the world?
[38:46.480 --> 38:46.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[38:47.000 --> 38:53.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, okay, maybe Inmarsat is, uh, it's a bargain for, but, uh, is that the going rate?
[38:53.700 --> 38:55.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: It just seems 79 cents a minute.
[38:55.380 --> 38:56.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't place too many, uh, overseas calls.
[38:56.520 --> 38:56.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[38:57.320 --> 38:58.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: That might not be too bad, actually.
[38:58.680 --> 39:00.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are these only international calls?
[39:00.300 --> 39:02.260]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, you can place national calls, too.
[39:02.580 --> 39:03.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: For 79?
[39:03.200 --> 39:04.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they will charge you less, of course.
[39:04.900 --> 39:05.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: I see.
[39:05.340 --> 39:05.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[39:06.340 --> 39:09.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, we'll look into this, and, um, thanks for the info.
[39:09.340 --> 39:11.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you want me to place a call off the air or something?
[39:13.000 --> 39:14.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, place a call where?
[39:14.440 --> 39:15.360]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, to call you.
[39:15.500 --> 39:18.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, give you the name of the company so you can check out.
[39:18.320 --> 39:19.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you can call us after the show.
[39:21.200 --> 39:25.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, try, try, try reaching us after the show, and, uh, we'll try to take the information then.
[39:25.300 --> 39:25.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for the info.
[39:25.960 --> 39:27.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, what do you think of that?
[39:28.440 --> 39:35.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's, uh, pretty peculiar, but, uh, you have to wonder how high-tech some little call-sell shop in Queens is going to be.
[39:35.540 --> 39:36.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true.
[39:36.840 --> 39:37.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: Um.
[39:37.680 --> 39:40.280]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, it's, it's, it's not surprising, although it is peculiar.
[39:40.300 --> 39:44.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: It also tells you that, uh, it worked in his advantage this time.
[39:44.220 --> 39:46.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: It could work to your disadvantage the next time.
[39:46.400 --> 39:49.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, when they say they give you five minutes or whatever, they could only give you three minutes.
[39:49.900 --> 39:50.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[39:50.060 --> 39:52.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: How are you going to know unless you, uh, unless you check it out?
[39:52.420 --> 39:54.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: You have to, you have to be able to know these things.
[39:54.880 --> 39:57.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this, uh, we still have a feedback line.
[39:57.720 --> 40:07.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you remember last week, uh, we had one phone line that was feeding back, and that meant the person that was on it, um, unfortunately wasted all their time by calling us.
[40:07.680 --> 40:09.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, what we're supposed to do is skip this line.
[40:10.040 --> 40:17.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: However, just to make everybody feel better, we're going to take the call anyway, listen to how ridiculous it sounds, and then move on, and that way the person won't have completely wasted their time.
[40:17.880 --> 40:19.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[40:19.120 --> 40:20.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: You're completely wasted their time.
[40:20.320 --> 40:20.780]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, wonderful.
[40:20.960 --> 40:22.260]  [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm the person who's completely there.
[40:22.380 --> 40:23.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're the person that has wasted his time.
[40:23.900 --> 40:23.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wonderful.
[40:24.140 --> 40:25.220]  [SPEAKER_06]: So I'm the person who's completely there.
[40:25.480 --> 40:27.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of funny how we can hear you many times.
[40:27.660 --> 40:28.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[40:28.740 --> 40:29.160]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're the person who's completely there.
[40:29.160 --> 40:30.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, how we can hear you many times.
[40:30.820 --> 40:31.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[40:31.960 --> 40:32.740]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're kind of, uh, you're on the air.
[40:32.740 --> 40:34.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's also going to keep feeding back forever.
[40:35.720 --> 40:36.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty good.
[40:36.620 --> 40:37.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a lot of fun.
[40:38.280 --> 40:42.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe if you could shout out a question, we might be able to hear it, but I kind of doubt it.
[40:42.200 --> 40:42.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's give it a try.
[40:43.000 --> 40:45.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: Question, we might be able to hear it, but I kind of doubt it.
[40:45.320 --> 40:45.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's give it a try.
[40:46.300 --> 40:48.380]  [SPEAKER_02]: We might be able to hear it, but I kind of doubt it.
[40:48.380 --> 40:49.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's give it a try.
[40:49.800 --> 40:51.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's going to drive me nuts.
[40:51.120 --> 40:52.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll just start calling back.
[40:52.460 --> 40:52.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[40:53.540 --> 40:55.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Alright, thanks for being such a good sport about that.
[40:57.780 --> 40:59.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: Someone really should take a look at that phone line there.
[41:00.240 --> 41:00.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on.
[41:01.220 --> 41:06.020]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Manuel, I thought you might find it interesting that NYNEX is coming out with a Visa card.
[41:06.460 --> 41:07.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are they?
[41:07.240 --> 41:16.880]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, what happened was I was shopping in King's Plaza, Brooklyn, and they have, like, Equifax, which does market surveys as well as credit stuff.
[41:17.120 --> 41:18.140]  [SPEAKER_06]: So they asked me,
[41:28.160 --> 41:29.180]  [SPEAKER_06]: we'll pay you $5.
[41:29.540 --> 41:30.740]  [SPEAKER_06]: I said, and Pierre says, yeah.
[41:31.180 --> 41:32.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: So they asked me a bunch of questions.
[41:32.380 --> 41:34.920]  [SPEAKER_06]: You have to have a NYNEX card and any other credit card.
[41:35.140 --> 41:42.760]  [SPEAKER_06]: So they asked me, and they would ask, some of the features are like some of the gasoline cards, which were converted to master cards.
[41:43.800 --> 41:54.380]  [SPEAKER_06]: And so if you use the charge card, they'll give you a certain percentage off or you use the thing to reduce your phone bill.
[41:54.780 --> 41:56.620]  [SPEAKER_06]: That's how it basically will work.
[41:57.300 --> 41:57.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[41:57.580 --> 41:57.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting.
[41:58.120 --> 42:02.180]  [SPEAKER_06]: So it seems like everybody's getting into the credit card company.
[42:02.280 --> 42:03.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what's funny about that?
[42:03.780 --> 42:11.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: That could probably be used as a calling card and as a Visa card, and neither one of them would have been taken by that cellular company I was dealing with before.
[42:11.540 --> 42:12.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[42:12.620 --> 42:14.140]  [SPEAKER_06]: I thought you might find interesting.
[42:14.460 --> 42:19.020]  [SPEAKER_06]: Maybe, well, AT&T has a credit card, so why not NYNEX or one of the other baby bills?
[42:19.180 --> 42:19.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[42:19.760 --> 42:20.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[42:20.560 --> 42:20.960]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[42:21.180 --> 42:21.660]  [SPEAKER_06]: Take it easy.
[42:21.800 --> 42:22.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for calling.
[42:23.260 --> 42:24.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't surprise me at all.
[42:24.440 --> 42:26.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm surprised it took them this long, actually, to do this.
[42:27.520 --> 42:28.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on.
[42:30.260 --> 42:30.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Anybody there?
[42:32.140 --> 42:33.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we have a silent line.
[42:34.460 --> 42:35.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's try over here.
[42:35.340 --> 42:35.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on.
[42:36.240 --> 42:36.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[42:36.700 --> 42:36.900]  [SPEAKER_11]: Hi.
[42:37.040 --> 42:44.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: On the prepaid calling cards, they advertise them as being cheaper than any long-distance company.
[42:44.540 --> 42:45.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: Do you know if that's true?
[42:45.960 --> 42:48.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't know about the international rates.
[42:48.480 --> 42:50.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't make that many international calls.
[42:50.380 --> 42:55.640]  [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, nationally, say AT&T or MCI, that it would be cheaper to use their card than just to pick up the phone.
[42:56.680 --> 42:57.000]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well...
[42:57.000 --> 43:01.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: Since I have AT&T, I'm wondering if I should buy these cards.
[43:01.040 --> 43:02.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: Not that I make a lot of calls, but...
[43:02.440 --> 43:09.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, AT&T, if you have AT&T, your rate is 10 cents a minute anywhere in the country after 5pm all day weekends.
[43:10.060 --> 43:13.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you can beat that on any kind of prepaid card, go for it.
[43:14.000 --> 43:16.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: But that's the rate AT&T offers, as far as I know.
[43:17.080 --> 43:21.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: And all the other companies are pretty similar with their calling plans, with their special calling plans.
[43:21.420 --> 43:24.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a special reach-out USA rate.
[43:24.620 --> 43:28.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: But I use that as a guideline to what is being charged.
[43:28.760 --> 43:30.620]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, that pretty much answers my question.
[43:30.620 --> 43:33.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: Can I ask you a question about the caller ID?
[43:33.400 --> 43:33.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
[43:34.460 --> 43:42.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: As you know, in several areas of the country, the caller ID also shows up the name as well as the telephone number.
[43:42.420 --> 43:52.660]  [SPEAKER_11]: In the New York area, I understand NYNEX's policy is that they're reluctant to broach that subject because New Yorkers are so jealous of their privacy.
[43:52.660 --> 43:57.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: Can you foresee that happening in this area, that the name as well as the number would come up on the caller ID?
[43:57.480 --> 43:58.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's going to happen at some point.
[44:00.160 --> 44:07.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: All these things that come about always happen, and we really don't seem to be able to stop them from happening.
[44:07.240 --> 44:13.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: What we are able to do, though, is tailor their implementation to our needs.
[44:13.500 --> 44:18.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: In other words, NYNEX recently changed its policy as far as blocking call return.
[44:18.180 --> 44:20.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now they allow call return to be blocked.
[44:20.740 --> 44:22.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: They never allowed that before.
[44:22.840 --> 44:24.260]  [SPEAKER_11]: When do you foresee this happening?
[44:24.420 --> 44:25.280]  [SPEAKER_11]: Within a year or so?
[44:27.700 --> 44:29.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Probably within a year, I would say.
[44:30.060 --> 44:34.180]  [SPEAKER_11]: What's the maximum amount of information that comes across on a caller ID?
[44:34.360 --> 44:36.460]  [SPEAKER_11]: Would it just be the name and the phone number?
[44:36.500 --> 44:37.940]  [SPEAKER_11]: They don't do addresses too, do they?
[44:38.200 --> 44:40.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: No, there aren't enough characters for addresses.
[44:40.500 --> 44:41.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: I see.
[44:41.220 --> 44:41.860]  [SPEAKER_11]: Thank you very much.
[44:42.020 --> 44:42.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[44:43.040 --> 44:46.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: But why are there not enough characters?
[44:46.340 --> 44:48.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Who says there shall only be these many characters?
[44:48.920 --> 44:54.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, they can always expand it in the future, but then everyone's caller ID box won't quite be compatible anymore.
[44:54.760 --> 44:54.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[44:55.240 --> 44:56.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: There's only two types of messages.
[44:57.320 --> 45:03.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: There's the short message with just a number, and then there's the multi-part extended message that has the name and the number.
[45:03.600 --> 45:04.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: They're fixed length.
[45:05.060 --> 45:05.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[45:05.300 --> 45:06.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: They're not variable length.
[45:06.460 --> 45:09.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: So right now, there's only standards for those two types of messages.
[45:09.100 --> 45:15.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: Every caller ID box, most every caller ID box that you buy today, is capable of displaying names.
[45:15.920 --> 45:18.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: So it's not like you're going to have to go out and buy a new caller ID box.
[45:19.160 --> 45:27.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: All the specs for all the caller ID chips from all the major telecom chip manufacturers that I've seen support both formats, the short and the long.
[45:28.580 --> 45:29.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[45:29.400 --> 45:31.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: You think we'll see that within a year in this state?
[45:32.200 --> 45:33.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: Maybe not within a year.
[45:33.380 --> 45:50.060]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think the best thing to do is to keep calling the Public Service Commission and see if there are tariffs that they're trying to put through in Albany to charge for extended caller ID if they're going to treat it as a separate service or if they're even addressing it or not.
[45:50.060 --> 45:58.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, one thing that is happening in the next year, 1995, will be nationwide caller ID, something we've predicted for quite some time.
[45:58.800 --> 46:06.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: FCC pretty much has mandated that this be allowed throughout the nation between phone companies.
[46:06.620 --> 46:10.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: and their privacy restrictions are less than our privacy restrictions.
[46:11.120 --> 46:13.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: They don't seem to care that much about blocking.
[46:14.000 --> 46:20.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: They say that phone companies should offer per-call blocking and they don't have to offer per-line blocking.
[46:20.440 --> 46:26.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Here in New York, we do have per-line blocking and hopefully that will stay that way.
[46:26.580 --> 46:32.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully we'll be able to block all kinds of things we don't want to send out if we don't want to send them out.
[46:32.840 --> 46:34.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, we'll see what happens with that.
[46:34.740 --> 46:35.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on.
[46:36.040 --> 46:36.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: How are you doing?
[46:36.840 --> 46:37.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, how are you?
[46:37.980 --> 46:38.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[46:40.540 --> 46:43.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: Last weekend, this weekend passed, I saw a hacker attack.
[46:44.960 --> 46:46.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, hack attack, right?
[46:46.820 --> 46:47.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe it was hack attack.
[46:47.980 --> 46:49.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Discovery Channel.
[46:49.040 --> 46:49.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: What fun that was.
[46:50.720 --> 46:52.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: You got to see the WBAI Studios on that.
[46:53.100 --> 46:56.760]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I was wondering if you knew that it was going to rerun again.
[46:56.900 --> 46:57.700]  [SPEAKER_13]: I missed most of it.
[46:57.700 --> 46:59.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, they ran that a lot.
[47:00.200 --> 47:00.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: They ran that 10 times at least.
[47:00.860 --> 47:01.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a lot.
[47:01.700 --> 47:02.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Within two days.
[47:02.680 --> 47:04.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: They seemed to be on all the time, actually.
[47:05.160 --> 47:07.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: You might want to contact Discovery.
[47:07.040 --> 47:10.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure they'll be happy to sell you a copy of it.
[47:10.820 --> 47:12.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they repeat them.
[47:12.400 --> 47:14.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you call them and ask them if they're going to repeat it, they'll tell you too.
[47:15.120 --> 47:24.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, because I caught like the last 15, 20 minutes or so, and they had you on, you know, they had a manual on, and they didn't have his name at the bottom at the beginning.
[47:24.140 --> 47:27.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: I thought it was you, and then they finally announced that it was you, and it was interesting.
[47:28.040 --> 47:28.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[47:28.340 --> 47:28.960]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was strange.
[47:29.060 --> 47:29.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: I never heard of...
[47:29.740 --> 47:31.740]  [SPEAKER_13]: I've kind of listened to your program for the last year or so.
[47:32.120 --> 47:32.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[47:32.560 --> 47:33.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, I remember that program.
[47:34.080 --> 47:41.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: I was talking about how I had bought a six-pack of beer in a supermarket, and they had entered my driver's license into a computer.
[47:41.980 --> 47:46.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's true, huh?
[47:46.180 --> 47:51.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, they were kind of like making me into a hypocrite by saying that, because I'm a hacker.
[47:51.440 --> 47:54.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm someone that defends hacker rights and things like that.
[47:54.200 --> 47:54.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[47:54.600 --> 47:58.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they define hackers as those people that go in and invade people's privacy.
[47:58.280 --> 48:03.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: And yet, here's this radio talk show guy getting all upset at someone violating his privacy.
[48:03.480 --> 48:06.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: There, America, do you see how this is kind of ironic?
[48:06.900 --> 48:07.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: It wasn't...
[48:07.640 --> 48:08.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: They just kind of missed the boat.
[48:09.180 --> 48:09.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[48:09.480 --> 48:10.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: Considering, you know...
[48:10.540 --> 48:11.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: They allowed fiber.
[48:12.100 --> 48:13.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: They allowed me to talk a lot, but...
[48:13.740 --> 48:14.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Fiber was on?
[48:14.440 --> 48:14.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[48:14.860 --> 48:14.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[48:14.960 --> 48:16.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: I was on it towards the beginning.
[48:16.400 --> 48:17.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I probably missed that.
[48:17.460 --> 48:17.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[48:17.840 --> 48:27.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, it was good for that in that, you know, people got to see what an injustice it was sending someone to prison, but they really didn't seem to come up with any new definitions of hackers.
[48:27.940 --> 48:30.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: They seemed to be just the old Geraldo thing all over again.
[48:30.740 --> 48:31.060]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[48:31.060 --> 48:32.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: They kind of went in different directions.
[48:32.480 --> 48:37.600]  [SPEAKER_13]: And parts they seemed like they weren't too critical of hackers, and then other parts they seemed like they were critical.
[48:38.000 --> 48:38.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[48:38.380 --> 48:40.620]  [SPEAKER_13]: They kind of seem to play both sides of the fence.
[48:41.480 --> 48:44.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, I think they spent a lot of time on the corporate side of the fence, actually.
[48:44.900 --> 48:45.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[48:45.240 --> 48:53.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: The thing I found real interesting, too, is when they showed that area of Brooklyn or Queens where those guys were stealing cell phones.
[48:53.340 --> 48:53.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[48:54.520 --> 48:57.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: They didn't show how they did it, but they dijo how they caught the most gens...
[48:57.080 --> 48:58.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't really show a whole lot, no.
[48:58.440 --> 49:07.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, and I don't necessarily agree with that statement of the New York State cop, that there's not a single legitimate cellular phone in this whole neighborhood.
[49:07.920 --> 49:09.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: That seems to be kind of a...
[49:09.300 --> 49:11.020]  [SPEAKER_13]: I could see if you said a lot of them are...
[49:11.600 --> 49:12.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: Generalization, you know.
[49:12.560 --> 49:13.500]  [SPEAKER_13]: But not a single one?
[49:13.660 --> 49:20.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you sort of don't have a very high view of the community you're patrolling if you don't think there's a single legitimate person in it.
[49:20.340 --> 49:20.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[49:21.360 --> 49:22.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[49:22.540 --> 49:23.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, guys.
[49:23.360 --> 49:24.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, thanks for calling.
[49:24.240 --> 49:24.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: Bye-bye.
[49:25.340 --> 49:27.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, your thoughts on the Discovery Channel?
[49:27.220 --> 49:32.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, we could borrow a phrase that you used earlier about cellular phones, that the show sucked.
[49:33.480 --> 49:35.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: But it was pretty bad.
[49:36.200 --> 49:38.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: The show really had no direction at all.
[49:39.800 --> 49:42.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: It seemed to start out, you know, kind of okay.
[49:43.300 --> 49:45.280]  [SPEAKER_14]: Then it crossed over to being questionable.
[49:45.600 --> 49:50.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: Then it just decayed into real trash TV with the call-sell stuff.
[49:50.480 --> 49:55.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: And then finally, the show finishes up with this total red herring.
[49:55.560 --> 50:11.240]  [SPEAKER_14]: This Chinese businessman, this immigrant, who's embezzling funds from a Fortune 500 company that he happens to be working at and starting his own corporation on the side with the embezzled funds and using the insider information to his advantage.
[50:11.860 --> 50:17.860]  [SPEAKER_14]: What business does this story or this person have in the subject matter of the show?
[50:18.000 --> 50:20.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they know who did it.
[50:20.740 --> 50:20.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[50:21.100 --> 50:21.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: The guy did it.
[50:22.220 --> 50:23.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, they know what he did.
[50:23.840 --> 50:26.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: They know, you know, it's one company hired this guy.
[50:26.840 --> 50:28.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: He went and he copies something.
[50:28.900 --> 50:30.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: They know everything about it.
[50:30.020 --> 50:31.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, where's the mystery?
[50:31.400 --> 50:32.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Where's the hacker element?
[50:32.920 --> 50:33.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: Where's the hack attack?
[50:33.900 --> 50:36.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing left of the imagination.
[50:36.860 --> 50:37.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's all out in the open.
[50:37.980 --> 50:40.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: You had some guy that, you know, that did something.
[50:41.000 --> 50:41.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: Deal with it.
[50:41.500 --> 50:42.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's an internal issue.
[50:42.680 --> 50:44.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's something inside your company.
[50:44.260 --> 50:45.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know all the facts.
[50:45.260 --> 50:47.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, why bother the rest of America with it?
[50:47.340 --> 50:48.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand that.
[50:48.800 --> 50:53.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: The other thing, if you saw at the end, they were showing all these...
[50:53.440 --> 50:57.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, first of all, Winn Schwartow modified his electronic Hiroshima to...
[50:57.580 --> 50:58.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: Get this?
[50:58.400 --> 50:59.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Electronic Chernobyl now.
[51:00.080 --> 51:00.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[51:00.400 --> 51:01.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: He's changed it.
[51:01.460 --> 51:02.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: And unlike the...
[51:02.940 --> 51:05.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now it can be told folks showing a picture of...
[51:05.060 --> 51:05.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, no.
[51:05.740 --> 51:08.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: He said an electronic Pearl Harbor and they showed a picture of Hiroshima.
[51:08.960 --> 51:09.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?
[51:09.700 --> 51:09.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[51:09.980 --> 51:13.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: Because he said an electronic Pearl Harbor is what, you know, we're heading towards.
[51:13.840 --> 51:16.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you see a nuclear bomb going off.
[51:16.300 --> 51:16.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: Or an atomic bomb.
[51:17.600 --> 51:19.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, there wasn't one of those dropped on Pearl Harbor.
[51:20.020 --> 51:24.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: To the best of my knowledge, I have to admit, when Winn Schwartow was on, I kind of ignored the TV momentarily.
[51:24.280 --> 51:30.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, Winn Schwartow was funny because all he did was he just kept saying how he could do these bad things if he was evil.
[51:31.280 --> 51:42.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: He must have listed a dozen different things that if he was evil, he would do this, he would go for the cash, he would get your social security number, he would destroy you, he'd stalk you at night, you know, all these kind of things.
[51:42.060 --> 51:44.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: Doesn't he know that people could go to prison for making statements like that?
[51:44.580 --> 51:46.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he was just being subjective, you know.
[51:46.820 --> 51:47.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, how do we know that?
[51:49.240 --> 51:54.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: But at the very end, or towards the very end, they show apartment buildings falling down.
[51:54.300 --> 51:54.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you see this?
[51:54.820 --> 51:55.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[51:55.260 --> 51:55.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
[51:56.000 --> 51:57.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: What bearing does that have to do with anything?
[51:57.700 --> 51:59.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, who's knocking down apartment buildings?
[52:00.000 --> 52:01.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think hackers are doing that.
[52:01.280 --> 52:05.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anyone except construction workers are knocking down apartment buildings.
[52:05.380 --> 52:07.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: So what does this have to do with anything?
[52:07.420 --> 52:07.680]  [SPEAKER_14]: Don't you get it?
[52:07.740 --> 52:09.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: It was metaphorical.
[52:09.480 --> 52:11.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: The walls come tumbling down.
[52:12.400 --> 52:13.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: These were tenement buildings.
[52:13.800 --> 52:14.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: They weren't walls.
[52:14.640 --> 52:15.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't get it.
[52:15.760 --> 52:16.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
[52:16.300 --> 52:19.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever they were trying to allude to just missed me by a mile.
[52:20.780 --> 52:21.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: But it was fun.
[52:22.060 --> 52:22.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was fun to see.
[52:22.840 --> 52:26.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you notice that the film technique, though, made it look like it was done in the 70s?
[52:26.900 --> 52:28.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand that.
[52:28.220 --> 52:29.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: It looked like a Kojak episode.
[52:29.620 --> 52:30.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: It really did.
[52:30.100 --> 52:30.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: The whole thing.
[52:31.460 --> 52:32.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: It really did.
[52:33.100 --> 52:36.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, the church music at the end was a nice finishing touch.
[52:36.680 --> 52:37.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it was Christmas, after all.
[52:38.100 --> 52:38.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[52:38.400 --> 52:39.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: They sort of had to do that.
[52:39.360 --> 52:41.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: But, no, it was done in...
[52:41.160 --> 52:42.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was an English production, for one thing.
[52:43.120 --> 52:45.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: But it was kind of like a grainy film thing.
[52:45.660 --> 52:45.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[52:45.820 --> 52:46.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: It looked old.
[52:46.640 --> 52:47.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was done this year.
[52:47.760 --> 52:49.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't explain why that was.
[52:49.900 --> 52:52.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's go back to the telephones.
[52:52.460 --> 52:52.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening.
[52:52.920 --> 52:53.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're on.
[52:53.980 --> 52:54.380]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello?
[52:54.660 --> 52:55.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, go ahead.
[52:55.740 --> 52:56.620]  [SPEAKER_04]: Good evening, gentlemen.
[52:57.840 --> 53:02.220]  [SPEAKER_04]: A couple months ago, they searched my system over to, I believe it's a 5ESS.
[53:02.860 --> 53:03.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[53:03.280 --> 53:07.200]  [SPEAKER_04]: And the ringback number that I was using doesn't work anymore.
[53:07.200 --> 53:08.100]  [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have any suggestions?
[53:08.400 --> 53:09.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: What were you using before?
[53:10.320 --> 53:11.300]  [SPEAKER_04]: 6-6-0.
[53:11.780 --> 53:15.640]  [SPEAKER_04]: And then I would get like a dial tone, and then I would hit 1-1-2.
[53:15.920 --> 53:19.560]  [SPEAKER_04]: And you would get like, you would have to hit the flash hook.
[53:19.700 --> 53:22.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, you'd get another tone, you hit the flash hook, and hang up, right.
[53:22.160 --> 53:24.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's a lot of information we've just given out here.
[53:24.520 --> 53:33.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's the old crossbar method where they actually connected you with an electronic office when you hit 6-6-0, and you actually use speed calling to do ringback.
[53:33.240 --> 53:34.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right, and you could do a lot more things with that.
[53:34.780 --> 53:37.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, you could kind of deprogram ringback.
[53:37.800 --> 53:40.360]  [SPEAKER_04]: You see, the point is that it doesn't work anymore.
[53:40.400 --> 53:41.660]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, what you do now...
[53:41.660 --> 53:43.860]  [SPEAKER_04]: 6-6-0, you dial it, and it's just like you hear nothing.
[53:44.040 --> 53:44.420]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, what...
[53:44.420 --> 53:46.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: If you're on a 5-ESS, it's really simple.
[53:46.480 --> 53:46.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: Very simple.
[53:46.560 --> 53:50.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: All you do now is you dial 6-6-0, and the last four digits are your telephone number.
[53:50.740 --> 53:51.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: And it'll ring back.
[53:51.820 --> 53:55.460]  [SPEAKER_14]: And you'll get a dial tone, then you flash the switch hook, and then you hang up.
[53:55.460 --> 53:58.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, sometimes you have to enter more than four digits.
[53:58.480 --> 54:07.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yes, sometimes in other offices, and I've only seen this in Manhattan, sometimes they get creative, and you have to do 6-6-0 and all seven digits of the telephone number.
[54:07.660 --> 54:09.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: But that's as crazy as it gets.
[54:09.680 --> 54:10.640]  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, number two.
[54:10.800 --> 54:22.460]  [SPEAKER_04]: I bought one of those MCI debit cards, and a few weeks ago I was out, and I tried to use it, and there wasn't enough money on the card to, you know, complete the call.
[54:22.660 --> 54:28.520]  [SPEAKER_04]: So I called up the number that they provided, and it said that I only had like 12 or 13 cents left on the card.
[54:28.960 --> 54:33.400]  [SPEAKER_04]: So we both know you can't make a local call from a payphone for less than a quarter.
[54:33.940 --> 54:40.240]  [SPEAKER_04]: And there was no place that I could have called that was like for less than what the card, you know, was on.
[54:40.420 --> 54:42.300]  [SPEAKER_04]: So they beat me at a 13 cents.
[54:43.980 --> 54:44.420]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay?
[54:44.800 --> 54:44.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wow.
[54:44.960 --> 54:51.820]  [SPEAKER_04]: Next thing I noticed is that when you get the click that tells you you only have a minute left, they don't give you exactly a minute.
[54:51.940 --> 54:52.520]  [SPEAKER_04]: We timed it.
[54:52.600 --> 54:53.960]  [SPEAKER_04]: They only give you about 50 seconds.
[54:54.460 --> 54:58.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, if they give you exactly a minute, then they have to bill you for the next minute.
[54:58.420 --> 54:58.840]  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
[54:59.360 --> 55:00.860]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, that's not the concern.
[55:01.060 --> 55:02.880]  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's still beating their customers.
[55:03.080 --> 55:10.680]  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, 10 seconds isn't a lot, but combined with the hundreds of thousands of customers they have, you know, don't you think they're getting over?
[55:10.900 --> 55:13.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, you're saying that the beep comes 10 seconds before.
[55:13.960 --> 55:16.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Would they actually disconnect you on the minute or they disconnect you before the minute?
[55:16.580 --> 55:20.900]  [SPEAKER_04]: We timed it from the second that you hear the click that tells you you have a minute left.
[55:20.900 --> 55:21.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[55:21.340 --> 55:24.720]  [SPEAKER_04]: From that second to the time they actually cut you off is about 50 seconds.
[55:26.280 --> 55:26.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
[55:27.300 --> 55:28.440]  [SPEAKER_04]: They don't give you the full minute.
[55:29.200 --> 55:31.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, that's, uh, that is something.
[55:31.800 --> 55:38.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: When you, you're right, when you add it all up, that does, especially if they're using a carrier that bills in seven-second increments, that will add up for sure.
[55:38.520 --> 55:38.700]  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
[55:38.700 --> 55:40.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, you've got a good point there.
[55:40.120 --> 55:40.500]  [SPEAKER_04]: I have my last question.
[55:40.760 --> 55:45.460]  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, the telephone number for 2600 Magazine and the subscription price?
[55:45.680 --> 55:49.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, it's, uh, well, all that information is contained in the telephone number, so I'm just going to give you that.
[55:49.720 --> 55:49.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[55:50.060 --> 55:52.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's, uh, 516-751-2600.
[55:53.080 --> 55:53.440]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[55:53.720 --> 55:54.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[55:54.240 --> 55:54.480]  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[55:54.540 --> 55:55.160]  [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for your help.
[55:55.300 --> 55:55.600]  [SPEAKER_04]: Thanks for coming.
[55:55.600 --> 55:57.360]  [SPEAKER_04]: You guys have a nice night and a happy new year.
[55:57.520 --> 55:57.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Take care.
[55:58.100 --> 55:58.360]  [SPEAKER_04]: Bye-bye.
[55:59.980 --> 56:01.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: 1995, around the corner.
[56:01.880 --> 56:02.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[56:02.380 --> 56:03.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you hope for?
[56:03.520 --> 56:08.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, I hope that, uh, Windows 95 from Microsoft will be really horrible.
[56:08.080 --> 56:11.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you, you won't know that until 1996, I don't think.
[56:11.760 --> 56:12.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's probably true.
[56:13.460 --> 56:15.520]  [SPEAKER_14]: Um, so they'll probably change the name a few times.
[56:15.620 --> 56:19.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, in a way, we should, uh, be reviewing 1994, what's happened over this past year.
[56:19.640 --> 56:21.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: Of course, you've spent virtually all of it in the slammer.
[56:21.900 --> 56:22.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[56:22.940 --> 56:23.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Not very much happened.
[56:24.040 --> 56:25.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Not very much happened from your perspective.
[56:26.280 --> 56:28.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, it, it was, it was kind of a weird year.
[56:29.260 --> 56:30.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't know.
[56:30.580 --> 56:32.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: We, what, what, what happened this year?
[56:33.160 --> 56:34.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: New York Telephone went away.
[56:34.820 --> 56:35.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[56:35.300 --> 56:36.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Replaced by 9x.
[56:36.820 --> 56:37.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: We had the Hope Conference.
[56:38.740 --> 56:41.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, gosh, I don't know.
[56:41.600 --> 56:42.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: I know a lot happened.
[56:44.940 --> 56:45.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: Dan, if I know what.
[56:46.820 --> 56:47.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on the radio.
[56:48.120 --> 56:48.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hello?
[56:48.580 --> 56:49.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, go ahead.
[56:49.320 --> 56:50.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, hi, let me just turn down my radio.
[56:50.940 --> 56:51.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[56:51.100 --> 56:52.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: I have an interesting, uh, situation here.
[56:52.660 --> 56:56.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: I just got home and I have a number on my call ID that I believe is a co-cut.
[56:57.420 --> 56:57.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay?
[56:57.740 --> 56:58.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's in Bayside, Queen.
[56:58.920 --> 57:00.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a pretty serious allegation, sir.
[57:01.180 --> 57:03.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, anyway, I called it back.
[57:04.240 --> 57:04.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[57:04.320 --> 57:08.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: The reason I think it's a co-cut is because I called it back and I got a computer.
[57:08.460 --> 57:09.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I know the person that called me.
[57:10.080 --> 57:12.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Did she say thank you and play four tones?
[57:12.520 --> 57:12.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry?
[57:13.140 --> 57:16.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: Did she say thank you and play four tones or was it a computer modem?
[57:16.180 --> 57:16.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, it was a modem.
[57:16.960 --> 57:17.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a modem, okay.
[57:17.700 --> 57:19.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: I called it back on my modem and I got connected.
[57:20.020 --> 57:27.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: I have a 1200-baud modem so I didn't think it would connect but it did and I just wondered if I was to poke around what would I do from here?
[57:27.860 --> 57:28.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's see.
[57:28.820 --> 57:30.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: Those particular kinds, did it say anything to you?
[57:31.300 --> 57:34.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, it just disconnected after about 20 seconds.
[57:34.400 --> 57:35.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: Try connecting at 300-baud.
[57:35.840 --> 57:36.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think some of them...
[57:36.340 --> 57:38.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: A lot more often...
[57:38.120 --> 57:42.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's odd that you were even able to connect at 1200 but most frequently the phones are at 300.
[57:43.640 --> 57:45.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: I know what it does is it prints out the...
[57:45.940 --> 57:47.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you can actually do anything.
[57:47.660 --> 57:48.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's mostly to get information.
[57:48.980 --> 57:56.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: You can get the phone number, you can get how much money is in the phone, the time of day, et cetera, et cetera.
[57:56.700 --> 57:58.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's just to find out information.
[57:58.800 --> 58:01.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: I could be wrong and it could be a totally different model.
[58:01.220 --> 58:04.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: So the best way to find out is just to experiment.
[58:05.660 --> 58:07.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, see where the phone is.
[58:07.360 --> 58:10.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: You can find out through various means where that particular phone is.
[58:10.980 --> 58:14.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I have an idea because I know where the person was that called me.
[58:14.460 --> 58:14.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[58:15.140 --> 58:22.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well then find out what kind of phone it is and then you can simply contact the manufacturer and say you're interested in buying one and then you'll get all kinds of technical information.
[58:22.440 --> 58:26.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: What you might also want to try doing is that if it doesn't do anything when you connect
[58:34.800 --> 58:36.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: and always one-stop it.
[58:36.780 --> 58:47.740]  [SPEAKER_14]: But other than that if you don't see anything on the screen you might want to this is if it's not waiting for a password or anything like that you might want to hit Control-E to see if it gives you any kind of acknowledgement.
[58:48.180 --> 58:49.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: Control-E is what?
[58:49.140 --> 58:50.740]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, that basically does an inquiry.
[58:51.300 --> 58:51.520]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[58:52.420 --> 58:52.780]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[58:52.980 --> 58:54.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's old teletype speak.
[58:54.340 --> 58:55.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're out of time.
[58:55.460 --> 58:57.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: This is our last show for 1994.
[58:57.980 --> 58:59.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Won't be back again until next year
[59:04.540 --> 59:06.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Again, the New Year's...
[59:06.160 --> 59:08.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and you have a party coming up too Yeah, that's right.
[59:09.360 --> 59:10.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get information on that.
[59:10.780 --> 59:14.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: The party is going to be on January 12th.
[59:14.420 --> 59:18.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's meant to be my official welcoming home party and it's going to be a big event.
[59:19.140 --> 59:22.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: We're going to have music and there'll be a bar.
[59:22.580 --> 59:30.240]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's going to be at Irving Plaza and if anyone wants specifics they can call Echo at the number that I gave out earlier just in case.
[59:31.580 --> 59:33.820]  [SPEAKER_14]: 212-255-3839.
[59:33.820 --> 59:37.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: And that's the first fiber optic welcome home party of 1995 I believe.
[59:37.220 --> 59:37.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it is.
[59:37.740 --> 59:38.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, great.
[59:38.640 --> 59:45.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: And the New Year's Eve first night thing is taking place in Grand Central Station on one of the balconies.
[59:45.120 --> 59:45.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[59:45.540 --> 59:47.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: And it'll be giving people access to the net.
[59:48.160 --> 59:48.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[59:48.640 --> 59:53.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Showing people what the net can do and a rather unique way to ring in the new year.
[59:53.680 --> 59:54.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: What time does it begin?
[59:54.480 --> 59:56.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: It begins, I believe, at around 8 o'clock.
[59:57.140 --> 59:57.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[59:57.480 --> 59:58.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: And runs till when?
[59:59.100 --> 01:00:00.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: Sometime after midnight.
[01:00:00.680 --> 01:00:03.740]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't know how long after midnight we're going to stay out there.
[01:00:03.820 --> 01:00:06.680]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's probably going to be maybe 1230 to 1 o'clock as far as I know.
[01:00:07.180 --> 01:00:07.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[01:00:07.700 --> 01:00:08.460]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, we're out of time.
[01:00:08.640 --> 01:00:10.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I want to thank everybody for calling.
[01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:11.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank everybody for...
[01:00:12.620 --> 01:00:13.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
[01:00:13.120 --> 01:00:13.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Not again.
[01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:14.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:15.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're out of here.
[01:00:15.740 --> 01:00:17.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see you next week.
[01:00:17.420 --> 01:00:17.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good night.