Off The Hook - 1995-12-05

[00:03.100 --> 00:06.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I guess he was using the phone that was meant for the fake emergencies.
[00:07.040 --> 00:07.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh-huh.
[00:08.080 --> 00:09.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: That must be it.
[00:10.780 --> 00:11.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[00:11.260 --> 00:13.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: We have a couple of news items this week.
[00:14.760 --> 00:21.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if you saw the Saturday Times, but the headline on the front page of the Saturday Times was Accord Reached for Limiting Smut on the Internet.
[00:22.260 --> 00:23.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Did you hear about this one?
[00:23.320 --> 00:23.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: No.
[00:24.640 --> 00:26.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: Compromise at Capitol Curbs.
[00:26.140 --> 00:29.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: Opponents give ground to a relentless campaign for Bill requiring them.
[00:30.340 --> 00:44.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: Bowing to a seemingly unstoppable push in Congress to keep sexual material off the Internet, a coalition of commercial online services and some civil liberties groups agreed today, as of December 1st, to accept the number of restrictions they had opposed a few months ago.
[00:45.900 --> 00:59.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: The move comes just a few days before a House-Senate conference committee is expected to debate a measure that would impose fines of up to $100,000 and prison sentences on people who knowingly transmit pornography or material deemed filthy, lewd, or indecent.
[01:00.580 --> 01:13.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: Basically, it looks like the Exxon bill is becoming closer to reality because certain civil liberties groups and senators and representatives and all those nice people are starting to cave in on it.
[01:13.560 --> 01:17.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: So that's something that's very bad news, I think.
[01:17.280 --> 01:32.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: They say that it affords more of a protection for those Internet providers that actually try to notify adults that obscene material might be floating by or to give them ways of restricting it.
[01:32.860 --> 01:43.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: But in the end, as far as what it does to us people that use the Internet on a regular basis, then that's something that's rather, I don't know, ominous, I think.
[01:43.860 --> 01:52.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I would think that civil liberties groups would be the ones defending people's right to trade this information or these pictures or whatever.
[01:52.840 --> 01:53.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's true.
[01:53.580 --> 01:56.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they really should be taking this one down to the wire, I think.
[01:57.520 --> 02:06.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: Unfortunately, I don't see very much of that as far as that kind of strong reaction to censorship.
[02:06.000 --> 02:06.500]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[02:06.940 --> 02:11.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: In some way, fighting censorship seems to be bad to do these days.
[02:12.020 --> 02:14.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: People seem to feel guilty about doing it.
[02:14.520 --> 02:17.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I think we should be exactly the opposite.
[02:19.940 --> 02:34.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: If they're able to go through with this particular bill and make things more restrictive, what's going to wind up being, there'll be like a rating system on everything that gets sent over the net.
[02:34.120 --> 02:39.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: In other words, something of a sexual nature will have to have this big S next to it or something that will rate it.
[02:39.960 --> 02:43.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: And certain systems will say, OK, well, we don't accept any S content.
[02:44.140 --> 02:45.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: And that's what we're moving towards.
[02:45.940 --> 02:47.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: Everything has to be defined in some way.
[02:47.940 --> 02:50.760]  [SPEAKER_07]: So that way you can easily weed it out.
[02:50.820 --> 02:58.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: But you can also easily find everybody that is dealing with that kind of material as well and perhaps weed them out.
[02:58.220 --> 03:03.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I would expect our friends at AOL would probably be one of the first services to trial something like that.
[03:03.740 --> 03:04.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's true.
[03:04.300 --> 03:05.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's been an interesting week for AOL, hasn't it?
[03:05.880 --> 03:06.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, actually it has.
[03:07.080 --> 03:08.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: What's been going on with them?
[03:09.640 --> 03:14.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Recently I heard that AOL decided that the word breast was to be banned everywhere on AOL.
[03:14.800 --> 03:15.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, it's about time.
[03:15.840 --> 03:17.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I've been hearing that word everywhere.
[03:17.100 --> 03:18.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: I hear it in the street now.
[03:18.060 --> 03:19.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: I hear it on TV and the radio.
[03:19.340 --> 03:21.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's about time somebody stood up and took a stand.
[03:22.640 --> 03:24.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I'm taking the wrong side, I'm told.
[03:25.700 --> 03:26.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's bad.
[03:26.480 --> 03:27.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: What they did was bad, wasn't it?
[03:28.140 --> 03:28.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[03:28.500 --> 03:35.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, in fact, they didn't consider the American Breast Cancer Society who had the word removed from their very title.
[03:36.120 --> 03:43.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: And there was a rather large ruckus raised for, you know, understandably for obvious reasons.
[03:43.620 --> 03:43.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[03:44.120 --> 03:47.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, when they say they banned the word, how did they ban the word?
[03:47.820 --> 03:57.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: From what I understood from the news report, it sounded like they went through their entire service and censored the very word itself so that it was not visible.
[03:58.400 --> 03:59.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: In public forums?
[03:59.780 --> 04:01.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: They don't do this for private mail, do they?
[04:01.640 --> 04:01.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: Can they?
[04:02.480 --> 04:03.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good question.
[04:03.580 --> 04:04.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: That wasn't actually addressed.
[04:05.120 --> 04:08.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they actually went into people's mail and banned the word.
[04:09.200 --> 04:12.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm assuming at least that this was in public forums, yeah.
[04:12.780 --> 04:13.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[04:14.560 --> 04:16.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: So they reversed themselves?
[04:16.020 --> 04:16.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[04:17.080 --> 04:22.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, there was enough complaints that they decided to reverse this.
[04:22.540 --> 04:29.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, they refused to disclose what all their supposed censored words are.
[04:30.280 --> 04:32.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: This list is not publicly available.
[04:33.500 --> 04:39.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: But you can be rest assured that if you hit upon one of these words, they'll swoop down on you, the AOL police.
[04:40.020 --> 04:48.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, if there are any AOL insiders out there that have access to these lists, please send them to us because we'd be very happy to find out just what's going on.
[04:48.580 --> 04:49.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: There's several ways you can do this.
[04:49.860 --> 04:52.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: Several ways you can leak us information that deserves to be public.
[04:53.600 --> 04:56.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: One is by sending it to us at the magazine, which is 2600, P.O.
[04:56.880 --> 05:00.500]  [SPEAKER_07]: Box 752, Middle Island, New York, 11953.
[05:01.000 --> 05:04.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: Another way is to send it to us here at the radio station, WVAI.
[05:04.680 --> 05:05.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: The program is off the hook.
[05:05.900 --> 05:09.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: The address is 505 8th Avenue, New York, New York, 10018.
[05:09.600 --> 05:14.500]  [SPEAKER_07]: Or if you want to use an electronic way of doing it, there's a couple of options.
[05:14.600 --> 05:16.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: You can email us.
[05:16.720 --> 05:19.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: My email is Emmanuel at 2600.com.
[05:19.440 --> 05:21.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: Fiber's is Fiber at 2600.com.
[05:21.900 --> 05:25.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: And you can fax us, 516-474-2677.
[05:26.240 --> 05:30.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: So there's all kinds of ways to get information out if, in fact, that's what you want to do.
[05:30.900 --> 05:37.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: Speaking of important information, we have won our fight against PSI, which we mentioned last week.
[05:37.600 --> 05:42.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, of course, the thing there is the PSI does not yet know that we have won.
[05:42.540 --> 06:00.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: But I don't want to go into the details here, but let me just suffice to say that when they are presented with what we have, their only recourse will be to back down and not try to charge us for a year of non-Internet access when we were pretty much led there on false pretenses.
[06:01.080 --> 06:12.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: Referring to the problems we have with ISDN, where they suddenly announced that they weren't going to support data over voice, which is something that's pretty commonly used.
[06:12.820 --> 06:16.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: A lot of people use that particular way of avoiding the penny-a-minute surcharge.
[06:16.840 --> 06:22.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: It wasn't revealed to us until after we had already signed up, and then they tried to hold us to a one-year contract.
[06:22.780 --> 06:28.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I have a feeling next week at this time we can say officially that this is over.
[06:28.440 --> 06:37.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: And if, for whatever reason, they decide to pursue this, it's going to be really, really interesting, because then we'll just have to go public with the kinds of things that we have.
[06:38.020 --> 06:39.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: And that's always fun to do.
[06:41.200 --> 06:42.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: Anything else, Fiber?
[06:42.360 --> 06:50.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, actually, someone sent me an interesting piece of email pointing to their website, which they said was fairly new.
[06:50.000 --> 06:58.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: And the person is apparently a consultant that looks for bugs for wiretaps and so on.
[06:59.250 --> 07:09.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they recently set up a website, and it's at www.t, as in Tom, S as in Sam, cm.com.
[07:09.180 --> 07:14.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's Technical Surveillance Countermeasures is the name of the company.
[07:14.360 --> 07:28.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: And what's interesting about this website is, for the first time, it seems to actually demystify bugs and what's actually done to detect these types of devices.
[07:29.240 --> 07:40.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: And it seemed really informative in the way of providing, say, for example, spectral analyses, if you actually had the apparatus to search for such things.
[07:40.220 --> 07:46.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, actually, we've searched for bugs, haven't we, when we've been in hotels and things of that nature?
[07:46.340 --> 07:47.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, we have searched for all kinds of things.
[07:47.960 --> 07:49.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: We've done sweeps.
[07:49.400 --> 07:59.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: This is actually, with a spectral analyzer, you can actually see, they actually have pictures of what you would see on the screen of the particular tool.
[08:00.500 --> 08:03.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they have pictures for various types of bugs.
[08:03.500 --> 08:09.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: They also have pictures of the bugs themselves, the most commonly used bugs, what frequencies are most common to be used.
[08:10.220 --> 08:13.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, all in all, I thought it was a rather informative website.
[08:13.160 --> 08:20.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: And it also has links to various places within the government, like the NSA and the CIA and so on.
[08:21.060 --> 08:22.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: It has links to their websites as well.
[08:22.700 --> 08:23.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: And what is that address?
[08:23.700 --> 08:31.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was www.tscm, as in technicalsurveillancecountermeasures.com.
[08:32.020 --> 08:32.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[08:33.780 --> 08:34.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[08:34.460 --> 08:38.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's a very interesting place to visit, I think.
[08:38.180 --> 08:40.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: Lots of cool websites are out there.
[08:40.700 --> 08:43.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Here's something that I think is good news, too.
[08:43.100 --> 08:43.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: The U.S.
[08:43.460 --> 08:48.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Government Printing Office has announced free use of its award-winning GPO Access Online service.
[08:49.440 --> 08:51.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: Actually, I just realized I'm reading a U.S.
[08:51.480 --> 08:53.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: Government press release, which is why it sounds so nice.
[08:54.460 --> 09:06.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: Beginning on December 1st, all Internet and Dial-in users can now receive, electronically at no charge, the Congressional Record, Federal Register, Congressional Bills, and a growing list of important government documents on the same day of publication.
[09:06.200 --> 09:07.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: What do you think about that?
[09:07.280 --> 09:07.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: Wow.
[09:07.820 --> 09:16.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: We believe the public should have timely access to vital information about the activities of their government without charge, says head of the GPO, public printer Michael F.
[09:16.220 --> 09:16.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: DiMario.
[09:17.080 --> 09:22.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: I guess if he's a public printer, he's got a lot less public printing to do now if it's on the net, right?
[09:22.280 --> 09:22.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, really.
[09:22.920 --> 09:25.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't have to crank up the old press machine there.
[09:25.820 --> 09:28.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: But that's actually a very good development.
[09:28.320 --> 09:37.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: He says the service is made possible through the Congressional funding of the Federal Depository Library Program at a time when more and more citizens are receiving their information by computer.
[09:38.700 --> 09:50.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Until now, GPO access has been free only to users on site and some 600 of the nation's nearly 1,400 federal depository libraries and to remote users connecting through over 20 depository library gateways.
[09:50.860 --> 09:54.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was available to others on a subscription basis for a low fee.
[09:54.380 --> 10:00.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: Under the new program, the fee has been dropped and refunds of unused portions will be sent to current subscribers.
[10:00.320 --> 10:01.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, here's how you get through.
[10:02.160 --> 10:03.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Website and fiber.
[10:03.360 --> 10:05.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: Perhaps you could do this live as we're talking.
[10:06.840 --> 10:07.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, actually.
[10:07.500 --> 10:08.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: You want me to get on the net?
[10:08.700 --> 10:09.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, get on the net.
[10:09.520 --> 10:09.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[10:10.100 --> 10:11.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: Get your finger on the pulse of the net there.
[10:11.880 --> 10:12.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: That way we can...
[10:13.480 --> 10:14.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: We're covering all bases.
[10:16.180 --> 10:28.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, now, if you wanted to access this by the web, the web address would be www.access.gpo.gov slash su underscore v-o-c-s.
[10:29.420 --> 10:31.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I guess that would get you everything there.
[10:32.140 --> 10:38.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: Internet users can Telnet to s-w-a-i-s dot access dot g-p-o dot gov and then log in as guest.
[10:38.120 --> 10:43.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: And dial-in users can use a modem to call 202-512-1661.
[10:43.840 --> 10:46.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: You type s-w-a-i-s and then log in as guest.
[10:48.360 --> 10:49.660]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, are you on?
[10:49.860 --> 10:52.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually opening up Netscape as we speak.
[10:52.960 --> 10:56.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, I'll have to give you that address again as soon as you've got Netscape open there.
[10:57.100 --> 10:57.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, shoot.
[10:58.220 --> 10:58.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[10:58.920 --> 11:06.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's www.access.gpo.gov slash su underscore docs, D-O-C-S.
[11:09.280 --> 11:10.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
[11:10.360 --> 11:11.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we're connected.
[11:11.980 --> 11:13.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: Our finger is on the pulse.
[11:14.400 --> 11:15.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[11:16.140 --> 11:16.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome.
[11:17.020 --> 11:17.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: Welcome.
[11:17.700 --> 11:21.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: To the Superintendent of Documents homepage on the U.S.
[11:21.560 --> 11:22.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: Government Printing Office website.
[11:23.080 --> 11:23.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, there you go.
[11:23.880 --> 11:26.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: The Pathway to Federal Government Information.
[11:26.740 --> 11:27.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: Wow.
[11:27.660 --> 11:30.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, oh, and they have this nice catchy little graphic on top.
[11:30.180 --> 11:32.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: It says, Keep America Informed.
[11:32.600 --> 11:36.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: And it has a really Art Nouveau picture of the flag.
[11:37.160 --> 11:37.760]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, really?
[11:37.980 --> 11:38.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[11:38.780 --> 11:39.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: Our flag.
[11:39.460 --> 11:40.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[11:40.180 --> 11:41.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Our flag, currently.
[11:41.620 --> 11:44.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure as soon as they make their own flag, that'll be there.
[11:45.500 --> 11:46.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's good.
[11:46.660 --> 11:48.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, how many different choices do you have?
[11:48.460 --> 11:49.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: What can you do from there?
[11:49.060 --> 11:55.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: We have, as a first choice, electronic information, online, on-demand, and locator services.
[11:55.440 --> 12:05.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: And it says, Search the full text of the Federal Register, Congressional Record, Congressional Bills, and other federal government information online via GPO Access.
[12:05.960 --> 12:11.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, information available for free public use in federal depository libraries.
[12:12.440 --> 12:20.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: Identify federal government information available at or through any of 1,400 federal depository libraries.
[12:20.680 --> 12:28.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, wasn't, wasn't JFK assassinated, uh, well, wasn't, uh, our favorite assassin actually in a depository?
[12:28.780 --> 12:29.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: A book depository.
[12:29.680 --> 12:29.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[12:30.180 --> 12:31.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: You think, was it a federal one?
[12:31.820 --> 12:33.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, no, I don't think it was federal.
[12:33.560 --> 12:34.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, was it federal?
[12:34.180 --> 12:34.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: The state, right?
[12:34.900 --> 12:36.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it was the state of Texas book depository.
[12:37.020 --> 12:37.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Ah, okay.
[12:37.440 --> 12:37.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[12:37.980 --> 12:39.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: Book depositories are strange places.
[12:39.760 --> 12:40.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: We don't know nearly enough about them.
[12:41.020 --> 12:43.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but they seem to be favorite places to snipe people.
[12:43.860 --> 12:46.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, yeah, at least in one particular instance.
[12:48.260 --> 12:50.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, um, it looks like a good site then, eh?
[12:50.740 --> 12:54.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah, it looks like it has the potential to be, uh, informative.
[12:54.240 --> 12:55.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait a second.
[12:55.300 --> 12:57.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: I knew they would sneak something in here for money.
[12:57.640 --> 12:58.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Look at this.
[12:58.420 --> 12:58.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-oh.
[12:58.840 --> 13:01.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Information for sale by the superintendent of documents.
[13:02.300 --> 13:02.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: What's he selling?
[13:03.520 --> 13:10.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Purchase books, maps, posters, periodicals, and electronic information products from numerous federal agencies.
[13:11.280 --> 13:12.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: That sounds kind of sly there.
[13:13.040 --> 13:13.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[13:13.340 --> 13:16.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: What kind of electronic, uh, what were they talking about there?
[13:16.280 --> 13:17.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: It says, find the nearest U.S.
[13:17.960 --> 13:22.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: government bookstore or connect to the electronic consumer information catalog.
[13:22.500 --> 13:22.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hmm.
[13:23.700 --> 13:25.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, you can get the federal register, right?
[13:25.700 --> 13:26.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what it says.
[13:26.760 --> 13:27.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: Let's go to the federal register.
[13:27.840 --> 13:29.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: What date do they have?
[13:29.140 --> 13:31.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: Do they have today's federal register or is it, is it backlogged?
[13:31.800 --> 13:33.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's go there right now and find out.
[13:33.560 --> 13:33.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[13:34.140 --> 13:36.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: So that's the kind of thing that, uh, that people are interested in.
[13:36.940 --> 13:38.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Seeing what the federal government did today.
[13:39.100 --> 13:39.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[13:39.540 --> 13:40.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: And figuring out how we can fix it tomorrow.
[13:43.200 --> 13:44.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, let's see.
[13:44.520 --> 13:44.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[13:45.260 --> 13:47.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're presented with some choices.
[13:47.420 --> 13:48.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: Choices are always good.
[13:49.480 --> 13:51.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, connection.
[13:52.140 --> 13:53.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: We have a bunch of choices.
[13:53.360 --> 13:54.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: Connection to the online databases.
[13:55.080 --> 13:56.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Description of the online databases.
[13:56.960 --> 13:59.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: Access methods for online databases.
[14:00.100 --> 14:04.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Free public access through a federal depository library gateway.
[14:04.660 --> 14:04.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh-huh.
[14:05.080 --> 14:06.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Free public access on site.
[14:07.160 --> 14:10.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, I think it's that federal depository thing you want.
[14:10.400 --> 14:12.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, let's, let's try that.
[14:12.260 --> 14:18.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: By the way, we should point out that Fiverr is connecting to the web on the same phone line that he's speaking on using the wonders of ISDN.
[14:18.480 --> 14:20.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: The wonders of ISDN, yes.
[14:20.600 --> 14:23.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: And you're connecting, uh, data over voice at 56k?
[14:23.400 --> 14:23.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, yes, I am.
[14:24.460 --> 14:25.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: 56k, right?
[14:25.120 --> 14:25.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[14:25.520 --> 14:29.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: If I were to hang up now, your speed would magically increase to 112, wouldn't it?
[14:29.200 --> 14:35.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, actually, technically it would not since I originated the call while, uh, we were already on the phone.
[14:35.560 --> 14:35.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[14:36.340 --> 14:44.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, if I would have started off with no calls, and, uh, then we, we initiated this phone call afterwards, that's, that's what would happen.
[14:44.460 --> 14:44.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: I see.
[14:44.920 --> 14:45.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[14:46.280 --> 14:47.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, let's see.
[14:47.520 --> 14:52.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: GPO access databases are also accessible directly from GPO.
[14:52.140 --> 14:53.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what we wanted to do?
[14:53.700 --> 14:53.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh-huh.
[14:54.460 --> 14:59.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, now they're, like, pointing us to, uh, all these university gateways.
[14:59.160 --> 15:00.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: University gateways?
[15:00.040 --> 15:02.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't, I don't know why it...
[15:02.200 --> 15:03.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, don't go to the universities.
[15:03.120 --> 15:04.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: We have to stay in the federal government.
[15:04.700 --> 15:05.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we can't...
[15:05.300 --> 15:06.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: We want them to foot the bill here.
[15:06.940 --> 15:08.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: We can't be moving on into academia.
[15:08.640 --> 15:09.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, here we go.
[15:09.340 --> 15:12.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Advanced searches are currently supported for three databases.
[15:13.760 --> 15:15.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: 1995 Federal Register.
[15:15.280 --> 15:15.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: Bingo.
[15:16.300 --> 15:17.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: 1995 Congressional Record.
[15:17.620 --> 15:18.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: And the GAO reports.
[15:19.200 --> 15:20.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, we want the Federal Register.
[15:20.560 --> 15:21.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, let's go.
[15:28.100 --> 15:31.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: It says, database for the 1995 Federal Register.
[15:32.420 --> 15:33.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Volume 60.
[15:35.340 --> 15:35.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[15:36.080 --> 15:41.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, um, and it's presenting us with, uh, a bunch of sections that we could select to search.
[15:42.180 --> 15:43.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, what are the sections?
[15:43.420 --> 15:54.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: We have, uh, contents and preliminary pages, final rules and regulations, proposed rules, notices, presidential documents, Sunshine Act meetings.
[15:54.360 --> 15:55.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: Sunshine Act?
[15:55.220 --> 15:55.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[15:55.740 --> 15:57.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: Reader aids and corrections.
[15:58.420 --> 16:05.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, well, I'm going to leave you to figure out how to get today's congressional record, or, or a federal register, rather, or get at least the closest date that they have to now.
[16:05.920 --> 16:11.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: While you're doing that, we have an update on the Netcom situation with the Church of Scientology.
[16:11.500 --> 16:14.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: And here with that is David.
[16:14.780 --> 16:15.340]  [SPEAKER_06]: How are you doing?
[16:15.520 --> 16:16.240]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm doing fine.
[16:16.540 --> 16:25.380]  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think Netcom's doing too well, because, uh, the recent custody case over the Church's, uh, allegedly copyrighted information, um, has taken a weird turn.
[16:25.760 --> 16:41.560]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, Justice White in California has decided that Netcom could be a contributory defendant, so they can be sued by the Church, um, along with Dennis Ehrlich, who they're singling out as a person for putting up the information, as well as Tom Clemsroot,
[16:41.660 --> 16:47.240]  [SPEAKER_06]: who runs a BBS, who also, um, accepted some of this information and put it up on his system.
[16:47.240 --> 16:56.360]  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, the Church is claiming that they had told Netcom ahead of time that this information was copyrighted, and they should have, um, taken it off.
[16:56.560 --> 17:00.860]  [SPEAKER_06]: But Netcom is saying that this had never happened, and that is why they took no action.
[17:01.380 --> 17:05.940]  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, ironically, both sides are claiming that it's a victory for them.
[17:06.260 --> 17:14.580]  [SPEAKER_06]: The Scientologists are saying this because, you know, now no online service supposedly is going to have the guts to post any of this information or allow it to be posted.
[17:14.980 --> 17:22.980]  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, Netcom, on the other hand, is saying that, you know, it's just totally ridiculous, and that this case will bring it to light, um, and Netcom...
[17:22.980 --> 17:24.600]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, both sides were claiming victory, right?
[17:24.820 --> 17:26.640]  [SPEAKER_06]: I heard Netcom was saying this is a good thing.
[17:27.760 --> 17:30.480]  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, well, I don't know what Netcom is going to say otherwise.
[17:30.760 --> 17:40.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, um, the judge decided, you know, decided that, yes, this is copyrighted material, but I think the question now isn't pretty much the material in and of itself.
[17:44.580 --> 17:46.020]  [SPEAKER_06]: the material was copyrighted.
[17:46.120 --> 17:46.420]  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[17:47.560 --> 18:02.380]  [SPEAKER_06]: And Netcom is saying that they weren't, you know, afforded such information from, uh, from the church, and that the church, you know, is now saying that after the fact, you know, that you didn't take any action, and we warned you.
[18:02.580 --> 18:03.840]  [SPEAKER_06]: So, I mean, this is a sticking point.
[18:03.960 --> 18:07.200]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's pretty much like he said, she said, um, who's right, who's wrong.
[18:07.400 --> 18:12.900]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so what kind of, uh, what kind of time are we looking at here as far as this thing, uh, going to the courts?
[18:12.900 --> 18:20.480]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, apparently, um, they're getting the briefs ready, and in about three or four months, I'm told that, um, the case is going to go to court.
[18:20.820 --> 18:22.780]  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, that leaves some time for, for settlements.
[18:23.420 --> 18:39.880]  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, Helena Cobran, who's the, um, legal counsel, has really been putting a number of messages up in the alt.religion.scientology news group, and I advise people who want to keep up the date on what's going on is to go up in a news group and, uh, read all the posts,
[18:40.700 --> 18:54.560]  [SPEAKER_06]: um, in particular ones, um, in Europe, where now in four countries, um, they're trying to, I guess, defrock the church and say that, uh, Scientology is not a true religion and take away their, um, their tax-free status.
[18:55.040 --> 19:03.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, what's interesting is if you read alt.religion.scientology, there are a couple of Scientologists who are trying to defend the situation.
[19:03.300 --> 19:05.660]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, they're coming in from AOL, of all places.
[19:06.300 --> 19:16.380]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, one of them is Andrew Milne, and what's funny is not what he's saying, but the rationales that they're trying to use, you know, that Scientology, quote-unquote, is a good thing.
[19:16.960 --> 19:32.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: Um, because a lot of the texts that went up talked about some really bizarre thoughts about creation and this whole concept of operating thetans, you know, from levels one to, I can't remember the numbers, but it's just quite bizarre.
[19:32.300 --> 19:39.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I mean, for those of us who don't really care about Scientology, does this have any, any meaning as far as, uh, you know, freedom on the net, that kind of thing?
[19:41.100 --> 19:55.520]  [SPEAKER_06]: The decision, um, is going to be really chilling if they decide that Netcom, you know, is truly liable, then you're going to have, well, we discussed earlier, to the nth degree, rather than just having, like, an S or an X in headers on, you know, on websites,
[19:55.520 --> 20:03.860]  [SPEAKER_06]: now it's going to get to the point where these providers are going to have to filter everything that comes in, uh, runs software against, you know, anything that's uploaded.
[20:04.120 --> 20:15.140]  [SPEAKER_06]: So now, if somebody posts something to a news group, uh, it may take a week to ten days, I don't know how long, um, before the message finally makes it up there, because it has to get through so many filters to make sure that it isn't actionable.
[20:15.140 --> 20:16.020]  [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
[20:16.160 --> 20:17.280]  [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
[20:17.300 --> 20:22.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's amazing how, how, uh, speech is causing people so much heartache.
[20:23.880 --> 20:25.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's really, uh, all we're talking about here.
[20:26.260 --> 20:28.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, thanks, David, for stopping in with that.
[20:28.280 --> 20:30.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: Fiber, uh, do you have, uh, some information for us?
[20:30.780 --> 20:42.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, actually, I searched, uh, for presidential documents, uh, containing the word Clinton, and, uh, I, the, uh, range that I chose was December 1st through today.
[20:43.180 --> 20:46.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I came up with, uh, here's what I came up with.
[20:47.060 --> 20:55.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: It, uh, the Federal Register, as of December 4th, I guess they don't have it for the current day, they have it from the previous day, since today isn't over yet.
[20:56.580 --> 21:02.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, we have Proclamation 6853 and Proclamation 6854.
[21:03.220 --> 21:08.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: And the first one is National Drunk and Drug Driving Prevention Month.
[21:08.680 --> 21:11.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: This is National Drunk and Driving Prevention Month?
[21:11.720 --> 21:12.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Drug Driving.
[21:12.960 --> 21:14.660]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, Drug Driving?
[21:14.900 --> 21:17.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Drunk and Drug Driving.
[21:17.360 --> 21:18.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Drunk and Drug Driving.
[21:18.640 --> 21:19.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Prevention Month.
[21:20.220 --> 21:23.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: As well as, uh, World AIDS Day in 1995.
[21:23.640 --> 21:23.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[21:24.460 --> 21:24.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, uh...
[21:24.960 --> 21:26.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: World AIDS Day was a, was a few days ago, wasn't it?
[21:26.960 --> 21:32.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, actually, uh, apparently, when they published the register, it's from stuff a couple days ago.
[21:32.420 --> 21:32.640]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[21:32.840 --> 21:37.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: This, uh, this first, uh, proclamation is, uh, from November 30th.
[21:38.480 --> 21:46.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and, uh, the National Drunk and Drug Driving Prevention Month, uh, it says, by the President of the United States of America, a proclamation.
[21:46.980 --> 21:51.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: And then, uh, it's, this, uh, what, what reads like a speech.
[21:52.140 --> 21:53.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I could read the first paragraph.
[21:53.820 --> 22:00.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that's unnecessary, but, um, but as far as the Federal Register, I mean, are you looking at an actual copy of the Federal Register?
[22:00.880 --> 22:01.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yes, I am.
[22:01.760 --> 22:03.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: This is text that's in the register.
[22:03.420 --> 22:04.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: And what is the date?
[22:05.340 --> 22:09.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, the date at the very top says, uh, December 4th.
[22:09.400 --> 22:10.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: So it's yesterday.
[22:10.740 --> 22:14.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yes, it says, volume 60, number 232, December 4th.
[22:14.280 --> 22:15.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, that's, that's good enough for me.
[22:15.560 --> 22:17.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, how big is this, is this document?
[22:17.360 --> 22:20.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, this is one particular document.
[22:20.300 --> 22:21.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me see if I could find, uh...
[22:21.820 --> 22:25.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: But you get the whole Federal Register as, as one big, uh, one big lump?
[22:25.440 --> 22:26.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: Is that what, how it works?
[22:26.540 --> 22:38.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, it, it, uh, allows you to search it by, uh, you, you enter a keyword to search for, and you choose a particular section and date, and it comes back with, uh, whatever word you chose to search for, where it found it.
[22:39.180 --> 22:39.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[22:39.380 --> 22:47.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: And my particular search found it on, uh, pages 62,183 through 62,186.
[22:47.880 --> 22:52.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: I guess what they probably do is they probably number the, uh, the Federal Register every day for the whole year.
[22:52.860 --> 22:53.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[22:53.120 --> 22:54.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, that's not 62,000 pages a day.
[22:54.860 --> 22:57.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's, that's pretty much since January 1st, I would imagine.
[22:57.580 --> 22:59.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, look for, look for the word hacker.
[22:59.460 --> 23:04.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: Let's see if they've passed any, uh, any kind of, uh, any proclamations about hackers.
[23:04.120 --> 23:04.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's a good idea.
[23:04.920 --> 23:05.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[23:05.740 --> 23:10.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: And you might look up some cuss words, too, and see, you know, how, what the President gets away with.
[23:10.540 --> 23:13.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: And they're, never had the opportunity to do this before.
[23:13.940 --> 23:17.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: If anyone has any ideas of things we should search for, let's, uh, let's do it right here, live on the air.
[23:18.300 --> 23:23.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, we'll take some phone calls, 212-279-3400 here in, uh, country code number one.
[23:24.860 --> 23:26.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah, look up the word breast.
[23:27.180 --> 23:29.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm asked to, uh, that's, that's a good one.
[23:29.620 --> 23:32.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: See if anything that, uh, that the Federal Register said would have been banned on AOL.
[23:34.840 --> 23:36.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, you keep looking while I take the first phone call.
[23:36.480 --> 23:36.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[23:37.060 --> 23:39.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, of course, there's a chance that I might disconnect you.
[23:39.320 --> 23:39.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: I hope I don't.
[23:39.920 --> 23:40.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: So let's see what happens here.
[23:41.240 --> 23:41.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[23:41.700 --> 23:42.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I didn't.
[23:42.200 --> 23:42.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Good evening.
[23:42.560 --> 23:42.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're on the air.
[23:43.000 --> 23:43.520]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, Emmanuel.
[23:44.100 --> 23:44.380]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello.
[23:44.640 --> 23:45.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, I don't recognize your voice.
[23:46.000 --> 23:46.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: Who is this?
[23:46.380 --> 23:46.560]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, yes.
[23:46.840 --> 23:47.920]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, it's me.
[23:48.220 --> 23:49.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, no, I, I'm sorry.
[23:49.560 --> 23:50.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's not, it's not ringing a bell.
[23:50.740 --> 23:51.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Do you recognize his voice, Fiber?
[23:51.780 --> 23:53.080]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, actually, he's breaking up.
[23:54.860 --> 23:57.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm breaking up, I'm afraid we're going to have to, uh...
[23:57.280 --> 23:58.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right, what do you want?
[23:58.160 --> 23:59.620]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, what I want is this.
[23:59.780 --> 24:00.680]  [SPEAKER_04]: Don't be so rude, either.
[24:01.060 --> 24:02.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: Don't be so rude, either.
[24:02.620 --> 24:03.020]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just kidding.
[24:03.360 --> 24:04.200]  [SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, um...
[24:04.200 --> 24:04.940]  [SPEAKER_04]: So I can be rude.
[24:05.000 --> 24:06.060]  [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to ask if you got my Christmas card.
[24:06.320 --> 24:07.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: Did I get your...
[24:07.020 --> 24:07.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, in fact, I did.
[24:07.980 --> 24:09.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was sitting in the...
[24:09.020 --> 24:11.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: Now, what's interesting about that card is that you sent it with no postage.
[24:12.060 --> 24:12.560]  [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[24:12.640 --> 24:13.700]  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's how I sent it.
[24:13.740 --> 24:15.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: It said returned for postage.
[24:15.760 --> 24:15.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[24:16.080 --> 24:17.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: But the return address was here.
[24:18.060 --> 24:18.660]  [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[24:18.800 --> 24:20.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: The same address that you addressed it to.
[24:20.620 --> 24:20.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[24:20.840 --> 24:25.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: So there is no place for this letter to go, except either to the return or to here, which were in the same place.
[24:25.840 --> 24:25.980]  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[24:26.140 --> 24:28.040]  [SPEAKER_04]: That's how you send free mail.
[24:28.200 --> 24:29.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: You are a genius, unknown caller.
[24:30.620 --> 24:30.900]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[24:31.200 --> 24:32.500]  [SPEAKER_04]: And also, I'd like to know...
[24:32.500 --> 24:33.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: Figure that out all on your own, huh?
[24:34.000 --> 24:38.100]  [SPEAKER_04]: Did you go to the phone that says no additional dialing allowed that I told you about?
[24:38.500 --> 24:39.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, no, I didn't.
[24:39.820 --> 24:40.040]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh.
[24:40.240 --> 24:40.640]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well...
[24:40.640 --> 24:42.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: I haven't had time to wander around the city and look for phones.
[24:42.880 --> 24:48.080]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, NYNEX has these advertisements that say, oh, with the NYNEX payphone, you can check your messages.
[24:48.360 --> 24:54.440]  [SPEAKER_04]: But how do you check your messages when either the phone says no additional dialing allowed, or it hangs up on you?
[24:55.080 --> 24:55.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.
[24:56.480 --> 24:57.000]  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[24:57.240 --> 24:58.360]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, how it randomly hangs up on you?
[24:58.440 --> 25:04.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's something I'd like to get an official comment from NYNEX on, because they, uh, you know, they're doing this, obviously.
[25:04.960 --> 25:06.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: We don't know how they're doing it or why, but...
[25:06.580 --> 25:09.380]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's something inside this new Moise electronic device.
[25:09.600 --> 25:12.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: It might be a flaw of some sort, because it doesn't happen consistently.
[25:12.960 --> 25:13.320]  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[25:14.020 --> 25:23.680]  [SPEAKER_04]: And I notice it only in the type of phones that mute out what, like, like, what they'll mute out until the dial tone comes on, when you pick it up.
[25:24.160 --> 25:25.600]  [SPEAKER_04]: It's only in those type of phones.
[25:25.720 --> 25:25.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[25:25.880 --> 25:29.300]  [SPEAKER_04]: And also, what can you do with the 660 dial tone?
[25:29.840 --> 25:31.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, you've been asking that question now for a long time.
[25:31.940 --> 25:32.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: Fiber, do you know the answer?
[25:33.080 --> 25:33.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah.
[25:33.900 --> 25:37.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you, uh, which particular 660 dial tone are we talking about?
[25:37.680 --> 25:38.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: You mean which switch?
[25:38.880 --> 25:42.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, no, you mean the one where you dial, uh, the last four or seven digits?
[25:42.560 --> 25:43.780]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, either or.
[25:43.980 --> 25:53.440]  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the DMF, where you have to dial 660, and then your full seven-digit phone number, or the 5ESS, where you have to dial 660, and then your regular, the last four digits of your exchange.
[25:54.160 --> 25:58.280]  [SPEAKER_04]: Or, I think on a 1A, or a 1ESS, you just dial 660 on it automatically.
[25:58.540 --> 26:00.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they were the old-fashioned ones.
[26:00.720 --> 26:15.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, on the, uh, the one on the 5ESS and DMS100, uh, all you could really do is, uh, at the first dial tone is dial each Touch-Tone in order, and you'll get a confirmation beep that all the Touch-Tones were received clear.
[26:15.280 --> 26:17.160]  [SPEAKER_04]: But can you actually make phone calls at the dial tone?
[26:17.200 --> 26:17.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, no, you cannot.
[26:18.200 --> 26:31.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: On the, uh, 660 dial tone off of, uh, crossbars and 1s and 1AESSs, there were various tricks to actually place a call on the, the one where you just dial 660 by itself and get a dial tone back.
[26:32.760 --> 26:33.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[26:33.720 --> 26:35.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks, uh, I think he, he, he went away.
[26:35.820 --> 26:37.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: But, uh, thanks for the call anyway.
[26:38.220 --> 26:40.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, did you find anything on the, uh, website?
[26:40.560 --> 26:49.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I found reference to a document that's dated today that has to do with petroleum, uh, from Exxon Research, uh, a person by the name of William Hacker.
[26:49.960 --> 26:50.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, William Hacker.
[26:51.080 --> 26:51.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, well...
[26:51.820 --> 26:53.400]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I don't think that's the hacker we were after.
[26:53.400 --> 26:54.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's not our hacker, no.
[26:54.600 --> 26:54.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
[26:55.060 --> 26:56.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, is that the only reference?
[26:56.400 --> 26:57.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the only reference I found.
[26:58.340 --> 26:58.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[26:59.360 --> 27:00.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, look up REST.
[27:00.480 --> 27:01.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, let's do that.
[27:01.300 --> 27:04.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: See if there's any reference to that on, uh, on the Federal Register.
[27:04.940 --> 27:06.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: Let's take another phone call while you're doing that.
[27:06.580 --> 27:06.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: Good evening.
[27:06.980 --> 27:07.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're on the air.
[27:09.020 --> 27:09.880]  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, hello, Emmanuel?
[27:10.020 --> 27:10.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, go ahead.
[27:10.960 --> 27:11.540]  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hi.
[27:11.640 --> 27:14.880]  [SPEAKER_00]: Is, um, Fiber available to me to shout at?
[27:15.380 --> 27:16.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, you can, uh...
[27:16.660 --> 27:16.980]  [SPEAKER_00]: Sound the phone.
[27:16.980 --> 27:18.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: I might shout back, but you're free to shout.
[27:18.980 --> 27:25.780]  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, well, you're free to do that, but there's some points that you made last week that didn't quite, uh, chime with me.
[27:26.300 --> 27:38.320]  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you said, first of all, that people connecting on the Internet are expecting UNIX and Windows NT wouldn't quite fit the bill, something to that effect?
[27:38.360 --> 27:40.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: As far as for running a service, an Internet service?
[27:40.880 --> 27:41.660]  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, fine.
[27:41.880 --> 27:42.080]  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[27:42.960 --> 27:43.980]  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't understand.
[27:43.980 --> 27:50.040]  [SPEAKER_00]: What would somebody connecting to the Internet be looking for that they can't find on Windows NT?
[27:50.400 --> 27:56.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, a prompt with a shell that allows you to type UNIX command, which, uh...
[27:56.500 --> 27:57.700]  [SPEAKER_00]: Is that correct?
[27:57.860 --> 28:06.740]  [SPEAKER_00]: I've FTPed to sites and, um, and Gopher to sites that, um, are running on Windows NT, and it's transparent to me.
[28:07.160 --> 28:15.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but as far as managing files and being able to make copies of files and download files, the UNIX environment is a lot more suited towards that.
[28:15.820 --> 28:17.080]  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I agree with that.
[28:17.200 --> 28:18.040]  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I...
[28:18.040 --> 28:19.280]  [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't see...
[28:19.710 --> 28:20.820]  [SPEAKER_00]: To the...
[28:20.820 --> 28:27.960]  [SPEAKER_00]: To the most end users on the Internet, I can't see, you know, what they would be deprived of.
[28:28.180 --> 28:30.180]  [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, that's splitting here.
[28:30.300 --> 28:32.240]  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to press that too much.
[28:32.240 --> 28:52.920]  [SPEAKER_00]: The second point is that, um, this concerning ISDN service, uh, the, the terminal adaptor that you seem to, um, that you use, I believe, and that you've given a lot of good press is one of the least hackable and most inflexible units that I've seen out there.
[28:53.560 --> 28:55.400]  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, how do you, how do you mean?
[28:56.120 --> 29:06.760]  [SPEAKER_00]: Meaning that, with the built-in network Terminator, that you, you cannot connect any, any further devices than what is offered in that box.
[29:07.020 --> 29:17.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, obviously this is true, but at the same time, I think that, uh, most of our listeners are looking for, uh, a one-stop solution as far as getting on the net with ISDN.
[29:17.860 --> 29:39.320]  [SPEAKER_00]: But it should be, I think you guys, I mean, being this is a hacker show, I, I think, you know, it should have been made clear that, because a lot of people have, um, I'll just mention the name, have BitSurfer, um, terminal adapters, not the, not the BitSurfer Pro sitting in a corner somewhere and have to go and buy something else when that didn't fit the bill.
[29:40.240 --> 29:43.680]  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it would be nice that, you know, it would be made clear.
[29:45.000 --> 29:56.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I, I, I agree, but at the same time, uh, I don't think people that are looking to get on the, I mean, at this point in time, ISDN is new enough that people are just looking to play with it.
[29:56.520 --> 30:10.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think people want to figure out at this point how to set up an NT1, how to configure an NT1, how to worry about terminating resistors and, uh, how many, uh, devices they can have on their passive bus?
[30:10.700 --> 30:13.360]  [SPEAKER_00]: Most of the NT1s out there are not that ubiquitous.
[30:13.640 --> 30:17.440]  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're not that, that, that, um, crazy to deal with.
[30:17.660 --> 30:29.220]  [SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, I think it's getting an external NT1 with a terminal adapter that's flexible and usable is, I don't think it's a big deal.
[30:29.380 --> 30:31.980]  [SPEAKER_00]: But we might be splitting hairs again there.
[30:32.160 --> 30:38.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the reason why I support the BitSurfer, I mean, forgetting the fact that the NT1 is built in, which is, I think, neither here nor there.
[30:39.180 --> 30:52.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: The reason why I like it as a product is that it has a good combination of voice features, as well as, as data features, which most terminal adapters, whether they have an NT1 built in or not, do, do, do not have.
[30:53.380 --> 30:54.640]  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, uh...
[30:54.640 --> 30:56.240]  [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I've done a lot of searching.
[30:56.420 --> 30:57.380]  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's the case.
[30:57.540 --> 30:59.180]  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of stuff out there.
[30:59.360 --> 31:04.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I've done a lot of searching myself, and, um, I'm, uh, free to entertain any suggestions.
[31:04.180 --> 31:07.920]  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe I'll entertain this over your fax or email, then.
[31:08.160 --> 31:08.380]  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[31:08.500 --> 31:08.680]  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay?
[31:08.880 --> 31:09.460]  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
[31:09.580 --> 31:10.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for calling.
[31:10.180 --> 31:10.380]  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[31:10.560 --> 31:10.720]  [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
[31:11.740 --> 31:12.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: What a rousing debate there.
[31:13.000 --> 31:13.440]  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[31:13.660 --> 31:13.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[31:14.060 --> 31:19.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, uh, if you have more controversial things to talk about, uh, 212-279-3400 is, uh, his number.
[31:19.880 --> 31:20.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: Good evening.
[31:20.200 --> 31:20.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're on the air.
[31:21.280 --> 31:22.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, nobody there.
[31:22.800 --> 31:23.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: Good evening.
[31:23.360 --> 31:23.760]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're on the air.
[31:24.440 --> 31:24.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[31:26.080 --> 31:26.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: Go ahead.
[31:26.860 --> 31:27.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good evening.
[31:27.860 --> 31:30.760]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'm glad that the gentleman brought IRDN into the, uh, topic.
[31:30.760 --> 31:35.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, uh, I, I got this Bitsurfer Pro.
[31:35.420 --> 31:37.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: I unpacked it, and it goes out beautiful.
[31:38.100 --> 31:38.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: Works fine.
[31:39.100 --> 31:41.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, you're a, you're a famous ISDN caller, aren't you?
[31:41.840 --> 31:43.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I got a real problem with this.
[31:43.820 --> 31:46.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I got the thing delivered, and it works fine.
[31:46.880 --> 31:47.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: It goes out.
[31:47.700 --> 31:50.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: But it won't acknowledge any incoming phone calls at all.
[31:50.880 --> 31:59.760]  [SPEAKER_02]: So I looked at, uh, at the, uh, configuration setup, and there are some toggles for, uh, call blocking and call ID and, uh, call screening.
[32:00.120 --> 32:00.220]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[32:00.400 --> 32:07.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it's possible that, uh, there, there is a toggle in there that won't even let the phone ring?
[32:07.220 --> 32:11.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, as is, all of those, uh, caller ID screening features are disabled.
[32:12.300 --> 32:13.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I might have a bad box.
[32:14.420 --> 32:16.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, hmm, it, it is possible.
[32:17.240 --> 32:19.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: I got a bad box the first time I got a Bitsurfer.
[32:19.660 --> 32:21.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm so glad to hear you say that.
[32:21.340 --> 32:22.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, it happens a lot, actually.
[32:22.800 --> 32:26.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: But, uh, what do you want to do, I guess, is there a customer support number you can call?
[32:26.540 --> 32:30.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there, there is, but, um, it, it's kind of unusual.
[32:30.820 --> 32:36.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I spend a lot of time, uh, uh, with a lot of support, uh, phone numbers, and there's really the worst.
[32:37.040 --> 32:37.220]  [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
[32:37.320 --> 32:39.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'm not getting any, any help, uh, at that end.
[32:40.420 --> 32:46.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'm going to go ahead and, uh, actually replace this as it just arrived, uh, within the day.
[32:46.920 --> 32:48.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: So what is the actual problem you're having?
[32:48.500 --> 32:51.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: It, it, it, when you call me, it sounds like it's ringing.
[32:51.920 --> 32:57.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: In other words, I call my own phone number from my cellular phone, and it sounds like it's ringing, but nothing is happening here.
[32:57.960 --> 32:59.020]  [SPEAKER_02]: There is no indication.
[32:59.040 --> 32:59.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing.
[33:00.040 --> 33:00.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: The phone's not ringing.
[33:01.040 --> 33:07.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: And if I let it continue to ring, and I pick up the receiver on the phone that I'm calling, I'm not there.
[33:07.700 --> 33:09.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a dial tone.
[33:09.280 --> 33:12.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: So something in the box is not acknowledging that a call is coming in.
[33:12.600 --> 33:15.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you, you've tried both voice ports, one and two?
[33:15.600 --> 33:18.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I even tried disabling one or the other.
[33:18.420 --> 33:26.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: And when I put the Bitsurfer back on, uh, not the Bitsurfer, Pro, when I replace the, uh, the Bitsurfer, it just works just fine.
[33:26.240 --> 33:29.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're getting, you're getting a dial tone, yet the phone is still ringing.
[33:29.720 --> 33:32.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: Even though I'm calling in, it's, I'm hearing it ring on the cellular.
[33:32.360 --> 33:32.660]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh-huh.
[33:32.760 --> 33:35.940]  [SPEAKER_02]: And if I pick up the phone that I'm calling, I just have the dial tone there.
[33:36.080 --> 33:37.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing coming in.
[33:37.180 --> 33:38.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: And did you check the phone number?
[33:38.760 --> 33:39.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[33:39.240 --> 33:41.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: I checked the spids, I checked everything.
[33:41.280 --> 33:42.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: Everything is exactly correct.
[33:42.820 --> 33:45.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: You dialed 958 to make sure it was the same line and all that?
[33:45.380 --> 33:47.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm only on one line with a cellular in my pocket.
[33:48.140 --> 33:48.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[33:48.360 --> 33:50.140]  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's, there's no other phone to go to.
[33:50.460 --> 33:58.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: So you see, in other words, I'm calling the, my home phone number, which is the voice side of the ISBN hookup from my cellular.
[33:58.620 --> 34:00.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't make my phone ring.
[34:00.620 --> 34:03.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: So I even broke down to calling my mom and making my mother call me.
[34:04.180 --> 34:04.300]  Uh-huh.
[34:04.540 --> 34:10.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, um, besides the lecture on why I'm not visiting, I got no, um, I got no connect.
[34:11.180 --> 34:13.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: Fiber, do you think this might be a telco problem?
[34:14.000 --> 34:15.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I, it could be.
[34:15.620 --> 34:18.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I, I've experienced, uh, this exact problem.
[34:19.340 --> 34:27.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: If the, uh, if the ISDN service was misconfigured on the switch, but he's saying that he was able to get it to work fine with a regular bit surfer in the first place.
[34:27.760 --> 34:28.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[34:28.080 --> 34:29.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: The bit surfer is no prior.
[34:29.300 --> 34:36.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: I just, as a matter of fact, the bit surfer that I took offline and, uh, put it back in the wrap and put it away for four or five hours.
[34:37.080 --> 34:38.340]  [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even have to reconfigure it.
[34:38.400 --> 34:43.740]  [SPEAKER_02]: I just fired it up and in 20 seconds, it was already in place and everything was working fine.
[34:43.960 --> 34:50.840]  [SPEAKER_02]: I even tried to load a, uh, a bit surfer configuration into the bit surfer pro, but, uh, that didn't work out.
[34:50.940 --> 34:52.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't accept the bit surfer pro driver.
[34:53.240 --> 34:55.140]  [SPEAKER_02]: It came up with a, a warning.
[34:55.260 --> 34:58.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're actually using the, uh, with the windows configuration software?
[34:58.640 --> 35:09.460]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm using the configuration software that came, um, uh, uh, with the, uh, bit surfer pro and the separate software that came with the, uh, bit surfer, bit surfer.
[35:09.740 --> 35:09.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[35:10.100 --> 35:20.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, but when you go to use, uh, to set up the dialing in your dialing network in 95 and you go to make a new connection, uh, ultimately you have to use their configuration, uh, setup.
[35:21.060 --> 35:31.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, um, the only thing I would suggest is since, uh, obviously that, uh, that configuration software is fairly new, I, I wouldn't trust it a hundred percent.
[35:31.460 --> 35:35.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: I would, uh, you know that there's a menu, uh, feature built into the bit surfer and the pro.
[35:36.240 --> 35:36.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[35:36.720 --> 35:39.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: I have to go to a VT, uh, hundred, uh, emulator.
[35:39.520 --> 35:39.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[35:39.860 --> 35:41.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you're using, uh, Windows 95.
[35:42.300 --> 35:42.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: Pardon?
[35:42.440 --> 35:45.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Use the, uh, the hyper-access light that comes with Windows?
[35:46.340 --> 35:46.580]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[35:46.580 --> 35:47.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: I haven't installed it, no.
[35:47.860 --> 35:48.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay.
[35:48.980 --> 35:53.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, well, if you could just get your hands on, uh, uh, simple terminal program with VT 100.
[35:54.280 --> 35:54.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[35:54.540 --> 35:58.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was going to use it out of, um, uh, uh, uh, Comet.
[35:59.420 --> 35:59.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[35:59.760 --> 36:01.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that has it in there.
[36:01.300 --> 36:01.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[36:01.740 --> 36:02.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: And what do you suggest?
[36:03.020 --> 36:07.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I suggest going into, it's AT, uh, followed by the at symbol and the word menu.
[36:08.160 --> 36:08.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[36:08.300 --> 36:09.520]  [SPEAKER_03]: I would suggest going into there.
[36:09.640 --> 36:10.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's really simple to configure.
[36:10.900 --> 36:12.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: You move around with the arrow keys.
[36:12.520 --> 36:12.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[36:12.780 --> 36:14.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: I've been there before with the bit surfer.
[36:14.240 --> 36:14.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[36:14.720 --> 36:19.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: The, the thing that you want to double check is under, uh, network, or I believe, uh, might be called net switch.
[36:19.960 --> 36:20.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[36:20.260 --> 36:23.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Is the particular option depending on the, the software revision.
[36:23.580 --> 36:29.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, I would just double check in there that the, uh, the spids and the directory numbers were in fact set as you entered them.
[36:29.660 --> 36:30.020]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[36:30.020 --> 36:35.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: Because it sounds like they may, may not have been set properly when you were using the, uh, the front end software.
[36:35.420 --> 36:50.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the only, uh, indication the book where it gives to anything like this is that, uh, they suggest that in such a situation, you might not, you might be on, uh, fly VSS, uh, when you belong on, uh, national, uh, triple check that.
[36:50.220 --> 36:55.020]  [SPEAKER_02]: So I did, but I'll take, uh, your advice and go through and, um, and, uh, look in the menu.
[36:55.320 --> 36:55.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[36:55.680 --> 36:58.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: If there's still a problem, uh, call us back and let us know.
[36:58.700 --> 36:58.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[36:58.780 --> 36:59.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Keep us updated.
[36:59.940 --> 37:00.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[37:00.400 --> 37:01.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[37:01.360 --> 37:03.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: And thank you very much for, for being there.
[37:03.320 --> 37:11.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: I might suggest you do a show on the anxiety involved, uh, with, uh, computing, uh, in general and, and the effects that it has on us all.
[37:11.480 --> 37:15.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: We could do a permanent series on that, but we'll, we'll definitely take it into consideration.
[37:15.760 --> 37:16.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for calling.
[37:16.660 --> 37:17.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[37:17.360 --> 37:17.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: Good night.
[37:18.080 --> 37:23.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: Farber, do you think, uh, everybody who has a bit surfer, uh, it's, uh, or do you think a lot of people have bit surfers out there?
[37:23.620 --> 37:25.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: Do you think everyone who has one is calling us?
[37:25.260 --> 37:26.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: Because everyone seems to have one these days.
[37:27.100 --> 37:32.120]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, well, they did fair to fair up to be, uh, one of the more popular terminal adapters.
[37:32.260 --> 37:48.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: The thing that, uh, obviously everyone is upset about is, um, everyone wanted to jump on the ISDN, uh, bandwagon early and Motorola ended up coming out with the bit surfer pro with, which is obviously superior and, uh, didn't, uh, really offer any sort of,
[37:48.160 --> 37:48.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: uh, upgrade path.
[37:49.360 --> 37:49.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's true.
[37:49.980 --> 37:50.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[37:50.160 --> 37:51.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm one of those victims.
[37:51.140 --> 37:54.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: In fact, I was more pushed onto the, uh, onto the bandwagon, but, uh, I'm on it nonetheless.
[37:55.660 --> 38:00.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I have a regular bit surfer and that's how we're connecting 2600.com at 56k to the net.
[38:01.040 --> 38:02.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: I have no real complaints.
[38:02.380 --> 38:03.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it's, it, it does work.
[38:04.080 --> 38:10.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, and you know, with, uh, 9x, uh, line quality, we wouldn't be able to get, uh, uh, two lines going at once anyway.
[38:10.700 --> 38:12.320]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think we have the only decent line out there.
[38:12.840 --> 38:26.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, um... Yeah, um, we, we should probably add to, uh, those listeners that are out in Long Island might be, uh, if, if they haven't already, and if they're thinking of getting ISDN, they might have run into some, some difficulties in, in, uh, actually doing data over,
[38:26.760 --> 38:31.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: uh, a voice call because, simply because of the quality of the analog trunks in much of Long Island.
[38:32.020 --> 38:34.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: From one location to another, not necessarily in all locations.
[38:35.080 --> 38:35.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[38:35.360 --> 38:39.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: And I don't think, uh, if you went within your CO, you would have a problem at all, right?
[38:39.740 --> 38:39.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[38:40.300 --> 38:44.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: It seems to, to be that the problem exists between some of the COs in Long Island.
[38:44.420 --> 38:44.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[38:45.060 --> 38:47.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hopefully that'll, uh, that'll get, uh, rectified at some point.
[38:48.020 --> 38:51.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: Have you heard anything new on the rumor about, uh, 9x dropping the penny a minute charge?
[38:52.120 --> 38:54.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm, I'm still, uh, attempting to find out information about that.
[38:54.900 --> 38:57.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: At this point in time, I've, uh, asked a number of people.
[38:57.340 --> 39:00.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, at this point in time, it still seems to be, uh, just that, a rumor.
[39:01.240 --> 39:01.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[39:01.940 --> 39:02.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[39:02.120 --> 39:06.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: If anybody hears any more on that or has anything in writing, please, uh, get it to us one way or another.
[39:06.840 --> 39:07.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, let's take another phone call.
[39:07.740 --> 39:08.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: Good evening.
[39:08.100 --> 39:09.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're on off the hook.
[39:12.200 --> 39:12.790]  [SPEAKER_07]: Good evening.
[39:12.950 --> 39:13.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're on off the hook.
[39:14.270 --> 39:15.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: Ah, yes.
[39:15.450 --> 39:15.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.
[39:17.020 --> 39:19.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I have two questions.
[39:19.660 --> 39:27.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, one of them, I called, uh, last week or two weeks ago about, uh, my phone service and having fun with, uh, having static on the line.
[39:27.660 --> 39:29.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, it doesn't sound too bad.
[39:29.250 --> 39:29.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank heavens.
[39:29.910 --> 39:33.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: But, uh, I am still getting dropped and having problems, uh, connecting.
[39:34.060 --> 39:36.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I have a feeling it's the office equipment.
[39:36.560 --> 39:39.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I was wondering, uh, I could pick your brains for a minute.
[39:40.270 --> 39:41.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, you and fiber.
[39:42.060 --> 39:51.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, so basically it seems that it doesn't really have static until it connects to the other phone line.
[39:51.460 --> 40:00.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, so, you know, if it's, uh, you know, connecting to the network and, and dialing and, and ringing, it doesn't really seem bad.
[40:00.250 --> 40:03.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, but once the other person picks up, it seems to have static.
[40:03.600 --> 40:08.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: Is there some sort of situation in each switch that that would be caused by, or?
[40:08.160 --> 40:11.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, is this happening when you call various different people or is it always the same people?
[40:12.700 --> 40:18.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I guess I tend to call the same people, but, uh, it, it seems to happen.
[40:20.330 --> 40:33.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: It, there seems to be some sort of variety because if you call somebody like at the CEO or like someone who works for Ninex, it doesn't really seem to be that bad, but, uh, you know, uh, but it, it seems to be with just about everybody.
[40:34.450 --> 40:34.450]  Hmm.
[40:34.580 --> 40:35.370]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, it's not with us.
[40:35.930 --> 40:36.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: Sounds fine.
[40:36.890 --> 40:37.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're not hearing it now.
[40:37.950 --> 40:38.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: Beautiful connection.
[40:38.640 --> 40:39.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, good.
[40:40.460 --> 40:42.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Let's, uh, listen to the, the non-static.
[40:43.500 --> 40:43.870]  [SPEAKER_07]: Beautiful.
[40:44.020 --> 40:45.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: No, no problems there at all.
[40:46.390 --> 40:48.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, um, why don't you refresh your memory?
[40:48.660 --> 40:50.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Have you reported this to the, uh, repair service bureau?
[40:51.200 --> 40:53.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, a lot.
[40:53.680 --> 40:53.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[40:54.060 --> 40:56.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I haven't really gone into it in depth with the all.
[40:56.720 --> 40:58.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you guys to be, you know, bored to hear.
[40:58.560 --> 41:03.810]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, next time, next time they call you and ask you if you're still having the problem, lie and say that you are having the problem.
[41:03.870 --> 41:07.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: That way they have to come out and then confront you face to face when you don't have a problem.
[41:07.850 --> 41:09.330]  [SPEAKER_07]: Or maybe you will have a problem when they come out there.
[41:09.540 --> 41:13.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah, I've had them come out, oh, six times now or something like that.
[41:13.100 --> 41:17.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: Have you actually called a number with the static while you had someone there from Ninex?
[41:17.850 --> 41:23.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I haven't had them be able to hear the static when they're here, which is really the most annoying thing.
[41:23.680 --> 41:26.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes they call 611 and they'll hear the static and sometimes they don't.
[41:26.870 --> 41:31.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, what do the people at 611 say Sometimes they'll say, wow, yeah, I can hear the static.
[41:32.040 --> 41:33.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: And sometimes they're like, oh, check sign.
[41:35.620 --> 41:36.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[41:36.350 --> 41:37.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's pretty strange.
[41:37.720 --> 41:43.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: But as we suggested last week, what you should do is get to the point where the phone line actually comes into the house and take it from there.
[41:45.140 --> 41:49.350]  [SPEAKER_07]: And then it's definitely a NYNEX problem if you're still getting into that point.
[41:49.480 --> 41:50.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's most definitely a NYNEX problem.
[41:50.750 --> 41:56.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: The thing I don't understand is if you call 611, they have it in their power to test the line right there on the spot.
[41:56.580 --> 41:58.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and they often say test clear.
[41:58.890 --> 41:59.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes they say it doesn't.
[42:01.270 --> 42:04.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: So the fact that they say it doesn't, then they should be opening a trouble report.
[42:05.160 --> 42:05.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they are.
[42:06.000 --> 42:07.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're definitely taking care of it.
[42:07.430 --> 42:08.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: And they keep coming, thank heavens.
[42:09.760 --> 42:10.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: But nothing's getting resolved.
[42:10.770 --> 42:12.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: I have a feeling it's in the office equipment.
[42:12.870 --> 42:17.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's just like, you know, I don't know how the heck I'm going to get them, convince them to do anything about it.
[42:17.930 --> 42:20.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they said they were going to this past weekend, and they did.
[42:20.810 --> 42:25.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, and I was trying to see if I could pinpoint something that it might be in the office equipment that I could say, oh, try this or something.
[42:25.640 --> 42:26.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know.
[42:26.330 --> 42:31.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: Have you tried raising the problem to the infamous president's helpline?
[42:31.770 --> 42:33.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, I haven't really gone there yet.
[42:34.290 --> 42:35.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: You should actually consider that.
[42:35.850 --> 42:40.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like you're on the right track as far as what the problem is.
[42:40.220 --> 42:44.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: You've got enough people at NYNEX to acknowledge that there is, in fact, a problem.
[42:44.850 --> 42:47.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they're just being lax about doing something about it.
[42:47.810 --> 42:49.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you should raise a formal complaint.
[42:50.220 --> 42:51.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we'll see.
[42:51.120 --> 42:58.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, actually, probably what I'm going to try to do is to sit down and make a log of every phone call I make and the status of it and see if there's some sort of pattern.
[42:58.720 --> 43:00.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: Also, you know, try different phones, obviously.
[43:00.870 --> 43:01.930]  [SPEAKER_07]: I imagine you've already done that.
[43:02.020 --> 43:02.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I've tried.
[43:02.790 --> 43:06.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: I've rewired the house to try different phones, and that isn't it either, unfortunately.
[43:06.640 --> 43:06.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[43:06.950 --> 43:14.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, if they've actually gave me a whole new terminal in the back, they, you know, carried me over to another building and, you know, rewired, you know, my block pair.
[43:14.930 --> 43:17.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it was very, you know, they've done a lot around here.
[43:17.660 --> 43:19.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: It just wasn't solved.
[43:19.140 --> 43:21.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, well, let us know if something changes, then.
[43:21.310 --> 43:26.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the other question is, I'm hoping I'm going to be getting a slip in the near future.
[43:27.020 --> 43:31.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I was wondering, do you know of a site to grab a Winsock application?
[43:33.280 --> 43:34.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: What particular?
[43:34.620 --> 43:35.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I don't care.
[43:35.790 --> 43:36.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Just get me going.
[43:37.290 --> 43:39.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: You mean just to grab some general stuff?
[43:40.120 --> 43:43.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I just want to, you know, get my slip connection going on my Windows machine.
[43:43.460 --> 43:46.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, actually, are you getting slip or PPP?
[43:47.560 --> 43:50.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: Because slip is kind of dated by today's standards.
[43:50.320 --> 43:50.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's that?
[43:50.880 --> 43:53.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Slip is rather dated by today's standards.
[43:53.220 --> 43:54.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't really use much anymore.
[43:54.960 --> 43:55.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, what do I know?
[43:56.440 --> 43:59.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: But, well, let's assume you are getting a PPP connection either way.
[44:00.600 --> 44:08.900]  [SPEAKER_03]: Just off the top of my head, you can try anonymous FTPing to a local site, Internet channel.
[44:09.060 --> 44:10.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: You can just FTP to Inch.com.
[44:11.340 --> 44:12.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: Inch.com.
[44:12.380 --> 44:20.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they have, for both the Macs and the PCs, they have a collection of typical tools used.
[44:21.160 --> 44:21.680]  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[44:22.120 --> 44:22.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[44:22.790 --> 44:23.060]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[44:23.180 --> 44:23.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: Thanks for calling.
[44:24.290 --> 44:24.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: Good evening.
[44:25.120 --> 44:25.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're on WBAI.
[44:26.440 --> 44:27.300]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, me again.
[44:28.140 --> 44:28.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: Good evening.
[44:28.860 --> 44:29.500]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're on WBAI.
[44:29.880 --> 44:30.320]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
[44:30.840 --> 44:32.420]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering if you could help me out here.
[44:32.700 --> 44:36.600]  [SPEAKER_01]: I call MCI to sign up with them, and they ask me for my social.
[44:37.420 --> 44:41.660]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I got real indignant about giving my social security number to a phone company.
[44:42.160 --> 44:45.100]  [SPEAKER_01]: And they connected me to the big guy robot in MCI.
[44:45.380 --> 44:50.660]  [SPEAKER_01]: And he said that that was because an FCC third-party confirmation, something to that effect.
[44:50.840 --> 44:53.320]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was wondering if you guys had ever heard of it, number one.
[44:53.360 --> 44:57.980]  [SPEAKER_01]: And number two, if they get that data, what do you think they do with it?
[44:57.980 --> 44:59.560]  [SPEAKER_01]: Do they do anything else, like sort it?
[45:01.320 --> 45:02.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's a good question.
[45:02.140 --> 45:03.270]  [SPEAKER_07]: What do they do with the data?
[45:03.400 --> 45:04.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: They just wanted your USSN.
[45:05.140 --> 45:05.460]  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[45:06.140 --> 45:09.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they could just use it within their own agencies that they have.
[45:09.840 --> 45:14.960]  [SPEAKER_01]: They assured me that it wouldn't come out, but, of course, that's what they're going to do.
[45:15.580 --> 45:16.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Things change.
[45:16.400 --> 45:20.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, once they have that number, they say they're not going to give it to anybody now, and they might just use it for internal filing.
[45:20.860 --> 45:23.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, ten years from now, they still have that number.
[45:23.540 --> 45:23.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: Who knows?
[45:23.860 --> 45:31.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: There might be some sort of new presidential proclamation issued on the net, and they might have to give that information out to everybody that requests it.
[45:33.040 --> 45:38.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: Basically, if you feel they don't have the need to have your Social Security number, don't give it to them.
[45:38.800 --> 45:42.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Give them nine random digits then, see if that works.
[45:42.800 --> 45:46.790]  [SPEAKER_07]: And if all of a sudden they say, hey, that doesn't match your name, you know, they're looking you up somewhere.
[45:47.620 --> 46:01.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: But as long as you remember what those nine digits are, then, you know, make them happy, give them nine random numbers, Well, actually, isn't there that range of unused Social Security numbers that they always use for samples?
[46:01.680 --> 46:03.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, for TV programs and all that.
[46:03.380 --> 46:05.270]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know exactly where it is, but I can find out.
[46:05.440 --> 46:11.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't remember what that range is either, but at least if you gave something like that, it has the appearance of realness.
[46:11.520 --> 46:12.900]  [SPEAKER_01]: So then I guess zero, zero, zero.
[46:13.960 --> 46:17.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I think if you start off with a bunch of zeros, they might catch on.
[46:18.560 --> 46:19.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: They're intelligent people there.
[46:20.140 --> 46:20.460]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[46:20.660 --> 46:21.250]  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, good luck.
[46:21.290 --> 46:21.460]  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[46:21.640 --> 46:21.860]  [SPEAKER_01]: Bye.
[46:22.460 --> 46:24.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's good when people ask those kind of questions, you know.
[46:25.020 --> 46:25.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[46:25.380 --> 46:36.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's my goal is to have people, you know, whenever they ask for a Social Security number, a credit card number, a password, or anything, even their phone number, you know, they should ask themselves first.
[46:36.420 --> 46:41.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I know at least NYNEX's rationale behind asking that for new orders, for a new line to be put in.
[46:41.580 --> 46:41.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[46:41.800 --> 46:54.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: That they were being ripped off left and right by telemarketing fraudsters who would set up hot shops and, you know, and get a bunch of phone lines installed and then just vanish, and all the bills would...
[46:54.300 --> 47:02.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, you know, what I don't understand about that is, don't the people have to be in a place, like, you know, a place that they're either renting or own or live in?
[47:02.940 --> 47:03.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[47:03.200 --> 47:06.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and isn't that a way to find out who somebody really is?
[47:07.300 --> 47:11.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, I'm talking about, say, renting a space on a floor, say, in an apartment building.
[47:11.720 --> 47:11.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[47:12.220 --> 47:14.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: And having, say, 10 lines put in.
[47:14.250 --> 47:20.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right, but you can't just rent an apartment without having some sort of background check done on you, in most places, anyway.
[47:20.290 --> 47:24.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: They ask for a bank account or something, you know, so they can see if you're going to be a good tenant.
[47:24.770 --> 47:34.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm certainly not a telemarketing fraudster and know too much about it, but obviously it does not pose that much of a problem, or else it wouldn't be happening as much.
[47:34.880 --> 47:45.750]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, I know one of the things that NYNEX has done is they've imposed limits, which I think is more reasonable, say, $100, maybe $200 for the first month to see if you're going to pay up, you know, when your bill comes in.
[47:46.770 --> 47:48.960]  [SPEAKER_07]: Of course, you can always use long-distance companies.
[47:48.960 --> 47:50.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: There's no way to really stop you from doing that.
[47:50.720 --> 47:53.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: But, you know, this seems like a problem that always has existed.
[47:54.270 --> 47:54.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[47:54.600 --> 47:55.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't see it as something new.
[47:56.180 --> 47:59.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: So I don't understand why suddenly we need to give out more information.
[48:00.160 --> 48:02.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, plus, the Social Security number is not exactly secret.
[48:03.160 --> 48:09.940]  [SPEAKER_03]: You can request anyone's credit history, and that, sure enough, is going to have their Social Security number in it.
[48:10.250 --> 48:10.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: That is true.
[48:11.720 --> 48:12.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[48:12.340 --> 48:14.270]  [SPEAKER_07]: I think we're out of time.
[48:14.420 --> 48:19.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not sure, because the clocks are telling two different, totally different times here, but I'm going to err on the side of caution and say that we're out of time for now.
[48:20.340 --> 48:21.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: This has been Off the Hook.
[48:21.480 --> 48:22.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: We'll be back again next week.
[48:22.440 --> 48:25.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: Also, just to update people on a couple of things, we said Bernie S.
[48:25.400 --> 48:29.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: was going to have a hearing next week, or actually last week.
[48:30.060 --> 48:32.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, in fact, that has been postponed again for two more weeks.
[48:32.500 --> 48:33.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: So it won't be this Friday coming up.
[48:33.770 --> 48:37.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: It'll be the Friday after that, where he'll have a hearing to determine if he has to go back to prison.
[48:38.040 --> 48:44.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: And the second thing we want to update people on is our net accessibility for this radio show.
[48:45.560 --> 48:48.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, we are going to be putting some more shows on our FTP site right now.
[48:48.920 --> 48:58.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: You can download an edition of Off the Hook from a few weeks ago, and I think by the end of the week, we'll have about three more shows on there that you can download and play through your Sound Blaster.
[48:59.020 --> 49:03.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: We also have a program now up there that will play the program in MS-DOS.
[49:03.980 --> 49:16.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: So if you just want to download it and play it immediately, and you have a Sound Blaster and it's configured and all that, then you can right now FTP to 2600.com, log in as anonymous, and download that from the...
[49:33.520 --> 49:38.120]  [SPEAKER_01]: The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[49:39.020 --> 49:43.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: I cut myself off shaving, now I can't make a cough.
[49:44.440 --> 49:49.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: It couldn't get much worse, but if they could, they would.
[49:49.340 --> 49:52.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: Bum, bing, bum, for the best, expect the worst.
[49:52.580 --> 49:55.380]  [SPEAKER_02]: I hope that's understood, bum, bing, bum!