Well, I guess he was using the phone that was meant for the fake emergencies.
Uh-huh. That must be it.
Okay, we have a couple of news items this week.
I don't know if you saw the Saturday Times, but the headline on the front page of the Saturday Times was
Accord reached for limiting smut on the Internet.
Did you hear about this one?
No.
A compromise of capital curbs opponents give ground to a relentless campaign for Bill requiring them.
Bowing to a seemingly unstoppable push in Congress to keep sexual material off the Internet,
a coalition of commercial online services and some civil liberties groups agreed today, as of December 1st,
to accept the number of restrictions they had opposed a few months ago.
The move comes just a few days before a House-Senate conference committee is expected to debate a measure
that would impose fines of up to $100,000 and prison sentences on people who knowingly transmit pornography
or material deemed filthy, lewd, or indecent.
Basically, it looks like the Exxon bill is becoming closer to reality because certain civil liberties groups
and senators and representatives and all those nice people are starting to cave in on it.
So that's something that's very bad news, I think.
They say that it affords more of a protection for those Internet providers that actually try to notify adults
that obscene material might be floating by or to give them ways of restricting it.
But in the end, as far as what it does to us people that use the Internet on a regular basis,
then that's something that's rather, I don't know, ominous, I think.
Well, I would think that civil liberties groups would be the ones defending people's right to trade this information
or these pictures or whatever.
That's true. I mean, they really should be taking this one down to the wire, I think.
Unfortunately, I don't see very much of that as far as that kind of strong reaction to censorship.
I don't know. In some way, fighting censorship seems to be bad to do these days.
People seem to feel guilty about doing it, and I think we should be exactly the opposite.
If they're able to go through with this particular bill and make things more restrictive,
what's going to wind up being, there'll be like a rating system on everything that gets sent over the net.
In other words, something of a sexual nature will have to have this big S next to it or something that will rate it.
Certain systems will say, OK, well, we don't accept any S content, and that's what we're moving towards.
Everything has to be defined in some way so that way you can easily weed it out,
but you can also easily find everybody that is dealing with that kind of material as well and perhaps weed them out.
Well, I would expect our friends at AOL would probably be one of the first services to trial something like that.
That's true. It's been an interesting week for AOL, hasn't it?
Yeah, actually, it has.
What's been going on with them?
Recently, I heard that AOL decided that the word breast was to be banned everywhere on AOL.
Well, it's about time. You know, I've been hearing that word everywhere.
I hear it in the street now. I hear it on TV and the radio.
It's about time somebody stood up and took a stand.
Oh, I'm taking the wrong side, I'm told.
That's bad. What they did was bad, wasn't it?
Yeah. In fact, they didn't consider the American Breast Cancer Society, who had the word removed from their very title.
There was a rather large ruckus raised, understandably, for obvious reasons.
Right. Now, when they say they banned the word, how did they ban the word?
From what I understood from the news report, it sounded like they went through their entire service and censored the very word itself so that it was not visible.
In public forums? They don't do this for private mail, do they? Can they?
That's a good question. That wasn't actually addressed.
I don't know if they actually went into people's mail and banned the word.
But I'm assuming, at least, that this was in public forums, yeah.
Right. So they reversed themselves.
Yeah, actually, there was enough complaints that they decided to reverse this.
But at the same time, they refused to disclose what all their supposed censored words are.
This list is not publicly available.
But you can be rest assured that if you hit upon one of these words, they'll swoop down on you, the AOL police.
Well, if there are any AOL insiders out there that have access to these lists, please send them to us, because we'd be very happy to find out just what's going on.
There's several ways you can do this, several ways you can leak us information that deserves to be public.
One is by sending it to us at the magazine, which is 2600 P.O. Box 752, Middle Island, New York, 11953.
Another way is to send it to us here at the radio station, WBAI. The program is off the hook.
The address is 505 8th Avenue, New York, New York, 10018.
Or if you want to use an electronic way of doing it, there's a couple options.
You can e-mail us. My e-mail is Emanuel at 2600.com.
And you can fax us, 516-474-2677.
So there's all kinds of ways to get information out, if in fact that's what you want to do.
Speaking of important information, we have won our fight against PSI, which we mentioned last week.
Now, of course, the thing there is that PSI does not yet know that we have won.
But I don't want to go into the details here, but let me just suffice to say that when they are presented with what we have,
their only recourse will be to back down and not try to charge us for a year of non-Internet access
when we were pretty much led there on false pretenses.
Referring to the problems we had with ISDN, where they suddenly announced that they weren't going to support data over voice,
which is something that's pretty commonly used.
A lot of people use that particular way of avoiding the penny-a-minute surcharge.
It wasn't revealed to us until after we had already signed up, and then they tried to hold us to a one-year contract.
Well, I have a feeling next week at this time we can say officially that this is over.
And if for whatever reason they decide to pursue this, it's going to be really, really interesting,
and we'll just have to go public with the kinds of things that we have.
And that's always fun to do.
Anything else, Fiber?
Yeah, actually, someone sent me an interesting piece of e-mail pointing to their website, which they said was fairly new.
And the person was apparently a consultant that looks for bugs, for wiretaps and so on.
And they recently set up a website, and it's at www.t, as in Tom, S as in Sam, cm.com.
That's Technical Surveillance Countermeasures is the name of the company.
And what's interesting about this website is for the first time it seems to actually demystify bugs
and what's actually done to detect these types of devices.
And it seemed really informative in the way of providing, say, for example, spectral analyses,
if you actually had the apparatus to search for such things.
And actually, we've searched for bugs, haven't we, when we've been in hotels and things of that nature?
Yes, we have searched for all kinds of things.
We've done sweeps.
This is actually, with a spectral analyzer, you can actually see,
they actually have pictures of what you would see on the screen of the particular tool.
And they have pictures for various types of bugs.
They also have pictures of the bugs themselves, the most commonly used bugs,
what frequencies are most common to be used.
And all in all, I thought it was a rather informative website.
And it also has links to various places within the government, like the NSA and the CIA and so on.
It has links to their websites as well.
And what does that address?
It was www.tscm, as in Technical Surveillance Countermeasures, .com.
Okay. All right.
That's a very interesting place to visit, I think.
Lots of cool websites are out there.
Here's something that I think is good news, too.
The U.S. Government Printing Office has announced free use of its award-winning GPO Access Online Service.
Actually, I just realized I'm reading a U.S. government press release, which is why it sounds so nice.
Beginning on December 1st, all Internet and dial-in users can now receive electronically at no charge
the Congressional Record, Federal Register, Congressional Bills,
and a growing list of important government documents on the same day of publication.
What do you think about that?
Wow.
We believe the public should have timely access to vital information about the activities of their government without charge,
says head of the GPO, public printer, Michael F. DiMario.
I guess if he's a public printer, he's got a lot less public printing to do now if it's on the net, right?
Yeah, really.
He doesn't have to crank up the old press machine there.
But that's actually a very good development.
He says the service is made possible through the congressional funding of the Federal Depository Library Program
at a time when more and more citizens are receiving their information by computer.
Until now, GPO access has been free only to users on-site in some 600 of the nation's nearly 1,400 federal depository libraries
and to remote users connecting through over 20 depository library gateways.
It was available to others on a subscription basis for a low fee.
Under the new program, the fee has been dropped and refunds of unused portions will be sent to current subscribers.
Now, here's how you get through.
Perhaps you could do this live as we're talking.
Yeah, actually, you want me to get on the net?
Yeah, get on the net.
Okay.
Get your finger on the pulse of the net there.
That way we're covering all bases.
Okay, now if you wanted to access this by the web, the web address would be www.access.gpo.gov
slash su underscore docs, and I guess that would get you everything there.
Internet users can telnet to swais.access.gpo.gov and then log in as guest.
And dial-in users can use a modem to call 202-512-1661.
You type swais and then log in as guest.
So are you on?
I'm actually opening up Netscape as we speak.
Okay, I'll have to give you that address again as soon as you've got Netscape open there.
Okay, shoot.
All right, that's www.access.gpo.gov slash su underscore docs, D-O-C-S.
Here we go.
Okay, we're connected.
Our finger is on the pulse.
All right.
Welcome.
Welcome.
To the Superintendent of Documents homepage on the U.S. Government Printing Office website.
Well, there you go.
The pathway to federal government information.
Wow.
And, oh, and they have this nice catchy little graphic on top.
It says, Keep America Informed.
And it has a really art nouveau picture of the flag.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Our flag.
Oh, yeah, our flag currently.
I'm sure as soon as they make their own flag, that'll be there.
Well, that's good.
Now, how many different choices do you have?
What can you do from there?
We have, as a first choice, electronic information, online, on demand, and locator services.
And it says, Search the full text of the federal register, congressional record, congressional bills,
and other federal government information online via GPO Access.
Information available for free public use in federal depository libraries.
Identify federal government information available at or through any of 1,400 federal depository libraries.
Wasn't JFK assassinated?
Well, wasn't our favorite assassin actually in a depository?
A book depository.
Right.
Was it a federal one?
No, I don't think it was federal.
It was a state, right?
Yeah, it was the state of Texas book depository.
Ah, okay.
Yeah.
Book depositories are strange places.
We don't know nearly enough about them.
Yeah, but they seem to be favorite places to snipe people.
Well, yeah, at least in one particular instance.
So, it looks like a good site then, eh?
Yeah, it looks like it has the potential to be informative.
Oh, wait a second.
I knew they would sneak something in here for money.
Look at this.
Uh-oh.
Information for sale by the superintendent of documents.
What's he selling?
Purchase books, maps, posters, periodicals,
and electronic information products from numerous federal agencies.
That sounds kind of sly there.
What kind of electronic, uh, what are they talking about there?
It says find the nearest U.S. government bookstore
or connect to the electronic consumer information catalog.
Hmm.
Well, you can get the federal register, right?
That's what it says.
Let's go to the federal register.
What date do they have?
Do they have today's federal register, or is it backlogged?
Let's go there right now and find out.
Okay.
That's the kind of thing that, uh, that people are interested in.
Seeing what the federal government did today.
Yeah.
And figuring out how we can fix it tomorrow.
Let's see.
Okay.
We're presented with some choices.
Choices are always good.
Uh, connection.
We have a bunch of choices.
Connection to the online databases.
Description of the online databases.
Access methods for online databases.
Free public access through a federal depository library gateway.
Uh-huh.
Free public access on-site.
Uh...
I think it's that federal depository thing you want.
Yeah, let's try that.
By the way, we should point out that Farber is connecting to the web
on the same phone line that he's speaking on, using the wonders of ISDN.
The wonders of ISDN, yes.
And you're connecting, uh, data over voice at 56k.
Uh, yes, I am.
56k, right?
Right.
If I were to hang up now, your speed would magically increase to 112, wouldn't it?
Well, actually, technically, it would not,
since I originated the call while, uh, we were already on the phone.
Okay.
So, uh, if I would have started off with no calls...
Mm-hmm.
...and, uh, then we initiated this phone call afterwards,
that's what would happen.
I see. Okay.
Uh, let's see.
GPO access databases are also accessible directly from GPO.
Isn't that what we wanted to do?
Uh-huh.
Uh, now they're, like, pointing us to, uh, all these university gateways.
University gateways?
Yeah, I don't, I don't know why it...
Now, don't go to the universities.
We have to stay in the federal government.
Yeah, we want them to foot the bill here.
We can't be moving on to academia.
Uh, here we go.
Advanced searches are currently supported for three databases,
1995 Federal Register...
Bingo.
...1995 Congressional Record, and the GAO Reports.
Okay, we want the Federal Register.
Okay, let's go.
It says,
Database for the 1995 Federal Register, Volume 60.
Okay.
All right, um, and it's presenting us with, uh,
a bunch of sections that we could select to search.
Okay, what are the sections?
We have, uh, contents and preliminary pages,
final rules and regulations,
proposed rules, notices,
presidential documents,
Sunshine Act meetings.
Sunshine Act?
Yeah, reader aids and corrections.
Okay, well, I'm going to leave you to figure out
how to get today's Congressional Record,
or, or a Federal Register, rather,
or get at least the closest date that they have to now.
While you're doing that,
we have an update on the netcom situation
with the Church of Scientology,
and here with that is David.
How you doing?
I'm doing fine.
I, I don't think netcom's doing too well,
because, uh, the recent custody case over the church's, uh,
allegedly copyrighted information,
um, has taken a weird turn.
Uh, Justice White in California
has decided that netcom
could be a contributory defendant,
so they can be sued by the church,
um, along with Dennis Ehrlich,
who they're singling out as a person
for putting up the information,
as well as Tom Klemsrud, who runs a BBS,
who also, um,
accepted some of this information
and put it up on his system.
Um, the, the church is claiming that
they had told netcom ahead of time
that this information was copyrighted
and they should have, um, taken it off,
but netcom is saying that this had never happened,
and that is why they took no action.
Um, ironically, both sides are claiming
that it's a victory for them.
The Scientologists are saying this
because, you know, now no online service
supposedly is going to have the guts
to post any of this information
or allow it to be posted.
Um, netcom, on the other hand,
is saying that, you know,
that it's just totally ridiculous
and that this case will bring it to light.
Um, and netcom...
Yeah, both sides were claiming victory.
I heard netcom is saying this is a good thing.
Um, well, I don't know what netcom is,
is going to say otherwise.
I mean, um,
the judge decided, you know,
decided that yes, this is copyrighted material,
but I think the question now
isn't pretty much the material in and of itself,
it's the knowledge and knowing
whether or not you knew
that the material was copyrighted.
Right.
And netcom is saying that
they weren't, you know,
afforded such information from,
um, from the church
and that the church, you know,
is now saying that after the fact,
you know, that you didn't take any action
and we warned you.
So, I mean, this is a sticking point.
It's pretty much like he said, she said,
um, who's right, who's wrong.
Okay, so what kind of, uh,
what kind of time are we looking at here
as far as this thing, uh,
going to the courts?
Well, apparently, um,
they're getting the briefs ready
and in about three or four months,
I'm told that, um,
the case is going to go to court.
Um, that leaves some time for settlements.
Um, Helena Cobran,
who's the, um, legal counsel,
has really been putting
a number of messages up
in the alt.religion.scientology news group
and I advise people
who want to keep up to date
on what's going on
is to go over to that news group
and, uh, read all the posts,
read all the posts, um,
in particular ones, um, in Europe
where now in four countries,
um, they're trying to, I guess,
defrock the church
and say that, uh, Scientology
is not a true religion
and take away their, um,
their tax-free status.
Um, what's interesting is
if you read alt.religion.scientology,
there are a couple of Scientologists
who are trying to defend the situation.
Uh, they're coming in
from AOL, of all places.
Um, one of them is Andrew Milne
and what's funny
is not what he's saying
but the rationales
that they're trying to use
you know, that Scientology,
quote-unquote, is a good thing.
Um, because a lot of the text
that went up
talked about some really bizarre thoughts
about creation
and this whole concept
of this operating thetans,
you know, from levels one to...
I can't remember the numbers
but it's just quite bizarre.
Well, I mean, for those of us
who don't really care about Scientology,
does this have any meaning
as far as, uh, you know,
freedom on the net,
that kind of thing?
The decision, um,
is going to be really chilling
if they decide that netcom,
you know, is truly liable
then you're going to have
what we discussed earlier
to the nth degree
rather than just having like
an S or an X
and headers on, you know,
on websites.
Now it's going to get to the point
where these providers
are going to have to filter
everything that comes in,
um, run software against,
you know, anything that's uploaded.
So now,
if somebody posts something
to a news group,
uh, it may take a week
to ten days,
I don't know how long,
um, before the message
finally makes it up there
because it has to get through
so many filters
to make sure that
it isn't actionable.
It's amazing how,
how, uh, speech
is causing people
so much heartache.
That's really, uh,
all we're talking about here.
Okay, thanks David
for stopping in with that.
Fiber, uh,
do you have, uh,
some information for us?
Yeah, actually I searched, uh,
for presidential documents,
uh, containing the word Clinton
and, uh, the, uh,
range that I chose
was December 1st
through today.
And I came up with, uh,
here's what I came up with.
It, uh,
the Federal Register
as of December 4th,
I guess they don't have it
for the current day,
they have it from the previous day
since today isn't over yet.
And, uh,
we have Proclamation 6853
and Proclamation 6854.
And the first one
is National Drunk and Drugged
Driving Prevention Month.
This is National Drunk
and Driving Prevention Month?
Uh, drugged driving.
Uh, drugged driving?
Yeah, drunk and drugged driving.
Drunk and drugged driving?
Yeah, prevention month.
Okay.
As well as, uh,
World AIDS Day in 1995.
Okay.
And, uh...
But World AIDS Day
was a few days ago, wasn't it?
Yeah, actually, uh,
apparently when they published
the register,
it's from stuff
a couple days ago.
Okay.
This, uh,
this first, uh,
Proclamation is, uh,
from November 30th.
And, uh,
the National Drunk
and Drugged Driving
Prevention Month, uh,
this is by the President
of the United States of America.
A proclamation.
And then, uh,
it's this, uh,
what reads like a speech.
Uh, I could read
the first paragraph.
Well, that's not necessary,
but, uh,
but as far as
the federal register,
I mean, are you looking
at an actual copy
of the federal register?
Ah, yes, I am.
This is text
that's in the register.
What's the date?
Uh,
the date at the very top
says, uh,
December 4th.
So it's yesterday.
Uh, yes,
it's volume 60,
number 232,
December 4th.
Okay, that's,
that's good enough for me.
Now, how big is this,
is this document?
Uh, this is
one particular document.
Let me see if I could find,
uh...
But you get the whole
federal register
as one big, uh,
one big lump?
Is that what,
how it works?
No, it, uh,
allows you to search it
by, uh,
you enter a keyword
to search for
a particular section
and date
and it comes back
with, uh,
whatever word you chose
to search for
where it found it.
Uh-huh.
And my particular search
found it on, uh,
pages
62,183
through
62,186.
I guess what they
probably do is
they probably number
the, uh,
the federal register
every day
for the whole year.
Yeah.
You know,
that's not 62,000
pages a day.
That's,
that's pretty much
since January 1st,
I would imagine.
Yeah.
And, uh,
I don't think
there's any, uh,
any proclamations
about hackers.
That's a good idea.
Yeah.
And you might look up
some cuss words, too,
and see, you know,
how, what the president
gets away with in there.
Never had the opportunity
to do this before.
If anyone has any
ideas of things
we should search for,
let's, uh,
let's do it right here
live on the air.
Uh, we'll take
some phone calls,
212-279-3400
here in, uh,
country code
number one.
Oh, yeah,
look up the word
that the federal
register said
would have been
banned on AOL.
Okay, you keep
looking while I take
the first phone call.
Okay.
Uh, of course,
there's a chance
that I might
disconnect you.
I hope I don't.
So let's see
what happens here.
All right.
Oh, I didn't.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hi, Emanuel.
Uh, I don't recognize
your voice.
Who is this?
I just, hey,
it's me.
Uh, no, I,
I'm sorry.
It's not,
it's not ringing a bell.
Don't be so rude,
either.
Don't be so rude,
either.
I'm just kidding.
Anyway, um...
So I can be rude.
You got my
Christmas card.
Did I get your...
Yeah, in fact,
I did.
It was sitting in the...
Now, what's
interesting about that
card is that you
sent it with no
postage.
That's right.
And it said
returned for postage.
Right.
But the return
address was here.
That's right.
The same address
that you addressed
it to.
Right.
That's a genius
unknown caller.
Okay, and also
I'd like to know...
Figured that out
all on your own,
huh?
Did you go to the
phone that says
no additional
dialing allowed
that I told you
about?
Uh, no, I didn't.
Oh.
I haven't had time
to wander around the
city and look for
phones.
Well, 9x has
these advertisements
that say, oh,
with the 9x
payphone you can
check your
messages.
But how do you
check your
messages when
the 9x
doesn't pick up
on you?
That's something I'd
like to get an
official comment
from 9x on,
because they,
uh, you know,
they're doing
this, obviously.
We don't know
how they're doing
it or why, but...
Well, it's
something inside
this new
Moy's
electronic device.
It might be a
flaw of some
sort, because it
doesn't happen
consistently.
Right.
And I noticed
that only in the
type of phones
that mute out
the 660 dial
tone.
Uh, you've been
asking that question
now for a long
time.
Fiber, do you
know the answer?
Uh, yeah.
Which particular
660 dial tone
are we talking
about?
You mean
which switch?
No, you mean
the one where
you dial the
last four or
seven digits?
Well, either or.
I mean, the
DMF where you
have to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the
DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
phone number,
or the DMF
where you have
to dial
660 and then
your full
seven-digit
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