Off The Hook - 1995-12-12

[00:20.300 --> 00:21.940]  [SPEAKER_18]: And it's just about 8 o'clock.
[00:22.060 --> 00:23.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're listening to WBAI in New York.
[00:24.640 --> 00:26.160]  [SPEAKER_18]: And it's time for Off the Hook.
[00:37.660 --> 00:39.620]  [SPEAKER_16]: I caught myself while shaving.
[00:40.110 --> 00:42.180]  [SPEAKER_16]: Now I can't make a cough.
[00:42.980 --> 00:44.960]  [SPEAKER_16]: It could be yet much worse.
[00:47.630 --> 00:50.330]  [SPEAKER_17]: Bum-diddly-bom for the best to stay for worse.
[00:50.970 --> 00:52.810]  [SPEAKER_17]: I hope that's understood.
[00:53.150 --> 00:53.890]  [SPEAKER_17]: Bum-diddly-bom!
[01:47.760 --> 01:49.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: And a good evening to everybody.
[01:49.740 --> 01:56.940]  [SPEAKER_18]: This is another edition of the exciting computer and social issue program, which is all sort of mixed together, called Off the Hook.
[01:57.180 --> 01:58.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: This is Emmanuel Goldstein.
[01:58.640 --> 02:00.020]  [SPEAKER_18]: Fiberoftic, you're on one of these mics.
[02:00.800 --> 02:01.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: Is it this mic?
[02:01.760 --> 02:02.420]  [SPEAKER_18]: I think it is.
[02:02.600 --> 02:02.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: There we go.
[02:03.120 --> 02:03.280]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[02:03.540 --> 02:04.600]  [SPEAKER_18]: We're getting the hang of this new studio.
[02:04.720 --> 02:10.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: Although they took out the good CD player, the one that makes sense, and I have to deal with this obnoxious one.
[02:10.260 --> 02:11.400]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know if it works.
[02:12.320 --> 02:13.540]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's CD number one.
[02:15.140 --> 02:15.700]  [SPEAKER_18]: What do you know?
[02:15.740 --> 02:16.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: It works.
[02:19.300 --> 02:20.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: Sure didn't work last time I tried it.
[02:21.260 --> 02:22.800]  [SPEAKER_18]: Anyway, today is a very special day.
[02:22.920 --> 02:24.180]  [SPEAKER_18]: Today is Internet Protest Day.
[02:24.980 --> 02:25.300]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yep.
[02:25.520 --> 02:26.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: Isn't that amazing?
[02:26.600 --> 02:31.160]  [SPEAKER_18]: I've got all this email and various posts and things like that.
[02:31.380 --> 02:38.400]  [SPEAKER_18]: And today is the day you're supposed to be protesting all the garbage that's been going on as far as censorship and regulations and things like that.
[02:38.620 --> 02:44.020]  [SPEAKER_18]: And if you FTP to our site over at 2600.com, that is if it's up.
[02:44.340 --> 02:46.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: We've been sort of bouncing around a lot lately.
[02:46.700 --> 02:51.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: If it's up and you FTP to it, you will see a special message concerning the Exxon bill.
[02:51.760 --> 02:54.940]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, in fact, if you finger our site, you'll also see a special message concerning that.
[02:55.580 --> 02:59.520]  [SPEAKER_18]: Exxon bill, of course, being the bill proposed by Senator...
[03:00.120 --> 03:01.300]  [SPEAKER_18]: Is it Jim Exxon?
[03:01.420 --> 03:01.800]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, Jim.
[03:02.000 --> 03:03.640]  [SPEAKER_18]: And he's a Democrat, isn't he?
[03:04.280 --> 03:05.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: From Nebraska, yeah.
[03:05.220 --> 03:05.740]  [SPEAKER_18]: He's a Democrat.
[03:06.200 --> 03:10.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, people don't realize this, but Democrats can be just as obstinate, stubborn, and ignorant as anybody else.
[03:10.760 --> 03:12.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: Those tags mean nothing anymore.
[03:12.060 --> 03:12.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: They mean absolutely nothing.
[03:13.180 --> 03:20.160]  [SPEAKER_18]: And Senator Newt Gingrich is actually somebody who's against the Exxon Amendment, and Newt Gingrich is a Republican.
[03:20.160 --> 03:20.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: Republican.
[03:20.840 --> 03:27.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, you know, the labels mean absolutely nothing, because sometimes people have clues, and sometimes people don't have clues.
[03:28.160 --> 03:35.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: And basically, it's up to us to kind of straighten everybody out and show them what time it is.
[03:37.260 --> 03:39.880]  [SPEAKER_18]: What's your understanding of this whole Internet protest day?
[03:39.880 --> 04:07.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, basically, it seems to have come about from our really favorite politicians, who it seems don't have enough integrity to take care of their own children, that they're too busy hiring illegal aliens to watch their kids and do their housework all day while they're out gallivanting around looking to impose more restrictions on the net to shelter their kids from pornography.
[04:07.780 --> 04:12.440]  [SPEAKER_18]: It seems like every politician hires illegal aliens to do their housework for some reason.
[04:12.440 --> 04:13.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, it's...
[04:13.460 --> 04:16.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's like something they talk about at parties, I guess.
[04:16.260 --> 04:16.400]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[04:16.500 --> 04:17.740]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, I got some money from Colombia.
[04:17.880 --> 04:18.880]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah, I got El Salvador.
[04:19.520 --> 04:22.640]  [SPEAKER_18]: And it's like, you know, what's going on here?
[04:23.160 --> 04:24.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's just... it's insane.
[04:25.600 --> 04:36.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: Basically, this Internet protest day seems to have come about in direct protest against the Communications Decency Act, which I heard pass through the house.
[04:37.120 --> 04:37.640]  [SPEAKER_18]: Is that correct?
[04:37.920 --> 04:44.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: I believe it passed... I don't know the exact score of that, but I do know it's well on the way to becoming a law.
[04:44.260 --> 04:44.380]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[04:44.820 --> 04:47.180]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, and the other thing, the other thing, the V-chip.
[04:47.380 --> 04:48.320]  [SPEAKER_18]: Have you heard about the V-chip?
[04:48.380 --> 04:48.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: The V-chip.
[04:48.880 --> 04:49.820]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, now, the V-chip for what?
[04:49.980 --> 04:50.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: Computers or for TV?
[04:50.920 --> 04:51.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: For TV.
[04:51.400 --> 04:51.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: For TV, yes.
[04:52.120 --> 04:53.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: The so-called violence chip.
[04:53.640 --> 04:53.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[04:55.280 --> 04:57.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: That... I've been following this for quite some time.
[04:57.240 --> 05:00.720]  [SPEAKER_18]: I like the idea of people being able to control whatever channels come into their house.
[05:00.820 --> 05:15.340]  [SPEAKER_18]: For instance, if I don't want my kids to watch home shopping, if I think that's the worst possible thing for them, then I should be able to impose, you know, with my dictatorial manner, I guess, I can say, there will be no shop-at-home channels coming into this house.
[05:15.360 --> 05:16.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: But you can do that right now.
[05:16.760 --> 05:16.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[05:16.960 --> 05:18.700]  [SPEAKER_18]: Most cable boxes have channel lockout.
[05:18.800 --> 05:21.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: But that is my understanding of what the V-chip is all about.
[05:21.180 --> 05:31.820]  [SPEAKER_18]: Now, I don't like the system where the government comes out and says, this is a so-so-rated program, this has violence, this has sex, this, you know, is not permitted at this particular time.
[05:31.920 --> 05:32.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[05:32.420 --> 05:34.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: And it's... it's not right.
[05:34.580 --> 05:36.980]  [SPEAKER_18]: I think those decisions need to be made by the individuals.
[05:37.320 --> 05:45.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: But you see, the people that are actually drafting these laws, these so-called individuals, don't have time to take care of their own kids because they're politicians.
[05:45.420 --> 05:45.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's right.
[05:45.840 --> 05:49.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: So they need to call in the government to make those decisions for them.
[05:49.800 --> 05:53.800]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, and it's also because the people are too ignorant to be able to make rational decisions on their own.
[05:53.880 --> 05:55.180]  [SPEAKER_18]: They must be protected from themselves.
[05:56.640 --> 05:59.300]  [SPEAKER_18]: And for those people too ignorant to see, I'm being sarcastic.
[06:00.100 --> 06:00.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: So...
[06:00.460 --> 06:04.380]  [SPEAKER_18]: Probably the very people that are being manipulated as far as that goes.
[06:05.980 --> 06:08.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: But yeah, the V-chip is something that...
[06:08.480 --> 06:08.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know.
[06:09.040 --> 06:10.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: Do you think it's a good thing or a bad thing?
[06:10.240 --> 06:11.160]  [SPEAKER_18]: It depends on how it's...
[06:11.160 --> 06:12.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: I think it's definitely a bad thing.
[06:12.500 --> 06:17.040]  [SPEAKER_19]: From everything that I've heard about it, it's supposed to be a chip that's built into a television.
[06:17.220 --> 06:17.320]  [SPEAKER_19]: Right.
[06:17.840 --> 06:28.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: Somebody, whether... I don't know if it's the Nielsens or some organization, is going to actually declare through some rating system that a particular program is violent.
[06:28.740 --> 06:33.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: And it's going to apparently send out some inaudible signal over the airwaves.
[06:34.180 --> 06:37.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, now, is the V-chip only for violent programs or can it be programmed?
[06:38.100 --> 06:40.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: To my knowledge, the V stands for violence.
[06:40.420 --> 06:42.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: So they determine what shows the V-chip.
[06:42.940 --> 06:43.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: Exactly.
[06:43.540 --> 06:43.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, that's wrong.
[06:44.180 --> 06:45.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's totally wrong.
[06:45.140 --> 06:47.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: They're predetermining what shows are supposed to be violent.
[06:48.040 --> 06:48.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: And based on that...
[06:48.960 --> 06:50.880]  [SPEAKER_18]: So what, Bugs Bunny is going to be a V-chip program?
[06:50.980 --> 06:52.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: Because there's a lot of violence in that show.
[06:52.120 --> 06:52.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: Could very well be.
[06:54.400 --> 06:54.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well...
[06:55.580 --> 07:05.660]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, I think it's all tied into the whole Internet thing, though, because there's this general mood in the air to protect us from ourselves, to keep things from getting out of control.
[07:06.540 --> 07:14.540]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, you know, whenever that happens, you have to be sort of, you know, really cautious as to what you change and what you do not change.
[07:14.540 --> 07:19.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: Now, the flag-burning amendment, that went down in flames.
[07:19.420 --> 07:19.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, yeah.
[07:20.520 --> 07:21.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's gone.
[07:21.160 --> 07:22.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's not going to pass this year.
[07:24.280 --> 07:25.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: But who knows about next year?
[07:25.840 --> 07:31.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: Who knows about the kinds of things that they'll push through, that they'll pressure everybody for.
[07:33.260 --> 07:33.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's...
[07:34.640 --> 07:35.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know.
[07:35.400 --> 07:36.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: These are ominous times.
[07:36.360 --> 07:37.680]  [SPEAKER_18]: So what do we do for Internet day of protest?
[07:38.300 --> 07:49.080]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, one thing we could do is, conveniently, the Christian Coalition, our friends that are always looking out for us, they're actually pushing the passing of the Communications Decency Act.
[07:49.200 --> 07:58.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: And, in fact, they set up a couple of 800 numbers to call some of our favorite congressmen to rally in favor of the passing of this ridiculous act.
[07:58.540 --> 07:59.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: You don't say.
[07:59.520 --> 08:03.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: But, in fact, you're free to call these 800 numbers to protest the Communications Decency Act.
[08:03.940 --> 08:09.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're free to call these 800 numbers for whatever purpose you wish to communicate to your senators and congressmen.
[08:09.120 --> 08:17.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: You might not want to call them from home, though, being that you'll be passing your phone number to the Christian Coalition, probably getting all kinds of ridiculous mail from them.
[08:17.500 --> 08:21.280]  [SPEAKER_18]: The Christian Coalition pays for this, so they do get a list of everybody that calls.
[08:21.280 --> 08:32.340]  [SPEAKER_18]: However, if they call you, and they try to push, you know, various propaganda upon you, and they meet with the kind of reaction that you no doubt give them, they may think twice about their place in this society.
[08:32.740 --> 08:32.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[08:33.060 --> 08:33.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: What are those numbers?
[08:34.100 --> 08:36.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, these numbers are both 800 numbers.
[08:36.840 --> 08:41.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: 800-962-3524.
[08:41.960 --> 08:47.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: And the other is 800-972-3524.
[08:48.040 --> 08:53.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: And people can call those numbers 24 hours a day to register their feelings towards Congress.
[08:53.420 --> 08:53.560]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yep.
[08:53.800 --> 08:54.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: And that's...
[08:55.200 --> 08:57.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: And have the Christian Coalition pick up the bill.
[08:57.760 --> 08:57.940]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[08:58.360 --> 08:59.400]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's very nice of them.
[08:59.480 --> 09:01.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: Thank you, Christian Coalition, for this service.
[09:02.780 --> 09:05.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: Now, let's read the little press release here.
[09:06.320 --> 09:08.820]  [SPEAKER_18]: Outrageous proposals to censor the Internet.
[09:09.500 --> 09:11.860]  [SPEAKER_18]: Demand that the Internet community take swift and immediate action.
[09:11.900 --> 09:16.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: We must stand up and let Congress know that we will not tolerate their attempts to destroy this medium.
[09:16.000 --> 09:21.920]  [SPEAKER_18]: Join hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens in a national day of protest on Tuesday, December 12th.
[09:22.600 --> 09:24.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: As you know, on Wednesday...
[09:24.060 --> 09:26.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: This is your indecency thing we were talking about before.
[09:26.160 --> 09:40.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: On Wednesday, December 6th, the House Conference Committee on Telecommunications Reform voted to impose far-reaching and unconstitutional indecency restrictions on the Internet and other interactive media, including large commercial online services such as America Online,
[09:40.440 --> 09:45.280]  [SPEAKER_18]: CompuServe, and Prodigy, and smaller Internet service providers such as Panics, The Well, Echo, and MindVox.
[09:45.480 --> 09:52.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: These restrictions threaten the very existence of the Internet and interactive media as a viable medium for free expression, education, commerce.
[09:52.780 --> 09:57.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: If enacted, the Internet as we know it will never be the same.
[09:59.100 --> 10:03.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: Libraries will not be able to put any books online that might offend the child somewhere.
[10:03.780 --> 10:06.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: No Catcher in the Rye or Ulysses on the net.
[10:06.340 --> 10:16.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: Internet service providers could face criminal penalties for allowing children to subscribe to their Internet services, forcing many small companies to simply refuse to sell their services to anyone under 18.
[10:16.100 --> 10:24.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: Worse of all, everything you say and publish on the net will have to be dumbed down to that which is acceptable to a child.
[10:24.220 --> 10:25.240]  [SPEAKER_18]: Sort of like network TV.
[10:25.920 --> 10:26.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: Can you imagine that?
[10:27.360 --> 10:33.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: As Internet users, we simply must not allow this assault against the Internet and our most basic freedoms to go unchallenged.
[10:33.200 --> 10:38.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: Tuesday, December 12th, the organizations below are urging you to join us in a national day of protest.
[10:38.360 --> 10:49.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: The goal is to flood key members of the House and Senate with phone calls, faxes, and email with the message of the Internet community will not tolerate congressional attempts to destroy the Internet, limit our freedoms, and trample on our rights.
[10:51.040 --> 10:54.020]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's see if we can give out any more phone numbers.
[10:54.140 --> 10:55.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: First of all, throughout the day...
[10:55.480 --> 10:57.840]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, this goes on throughout the night as well, I guess.
[10:57.940 --> 11:01.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: Contact as many members of Congress on the list as you can.
[11:01.660 --> 11:03.380]  [SPEAKER_18]: This is the part I don't understand here.
[11:03.380 --> 11:07.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: If you are only able to make one call, contact House Speaker Newt Gingrich.
[11:07.560 --> 11:09.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: Isn't he already opposed to this?
[11:09.660 --> 11:12.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: What's the point of contacting him if he's already opposed to it?
[11:12.040 --> 11:13.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, he knows that people are against this.
[11:14.020 --> 11:17.980]  [SPEAKER_18]: He might change his mind if he gets a thousand calls an hour.
[11:18.200 --> 11:18.800]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know.
[11:18.940 --> 11:23.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: But maybe you should call him and compliment him on his feelings towards this.
[11:23.760 --> 11:28.700]  [SPEAKER_18]: Finally, if the senator or representative from your state is on the list below, be sure to contact him or her also.
[11:28.980 --> 11:32.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's take a look at this list and see who's on there from New York.
[11:33.460 --> 11:34.900]  [SPEAKER_18]: There's nobody on here from New York.
[11:35.000 --> 11:35.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[11:36.480 --> 11:37.320]  [SPEAKER_18]: How about that?
[11:37.940 --> 11:42.980]  [SPEAKER_18]: These are, I guess, the representatives that voted for this in the first place.
[11:43.700 --> 11:46.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't see anybody even from the area here.
[11:47.420 --> 11:49.240]  [SPEAKER_18]: They're mostly out in the Midwest someplace.
[11:49.440 --> 11:50.360]  [SPEAKER_18]: There's one from Hawaii.
[11:51.360 --> 11:53.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: But, okay, you want to call Robert Dole, for instance.
[11:53.380 --> 11:55.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: You can call 202-224-6521.
[11:55.660 --> 11:58.800]  [SPEAKER_18]: But, you know, with those 800 numbers we gave you, you can just be transferred anywhere you want.
[11:58.800 --> 12:02.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: So you can just call that 800 number and...
[12:02.000 --> 12:03.340]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, you want to do that right now?
[12:03.520 --> 12:06.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: I've never dialed in this phone before, so I don't know if it's actually going to work.
[12:06.480 --> 12:07.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, let's try it.
[12:07.500 --> 12:09.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, let's give it a shot.
[12:09.480 --> 12:11.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: See if we can get a dial tone, first of all.
[12:12.460 --> 12:13.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: Can we get a dial tone?
[12:14.980 --> 12:15.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, we have a dial tone.
[12:16.220 --> 12:17.020]  [SPEAKER_18]: Now, can we dial?
[12:17.760 --> 12:18.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: I think we can dial.
[12:19.000 --> 12:19.860]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, this is going to work.
[12:20.260 --> 12:20.640]  [SPEAKER_18]: 1-800.
[12:21.380 --> 12:21.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[12:21.900 --> 12:22.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: 9-6-2.
[12:23.800 --> 12:25.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: 3-5-2-4.
[12:25.840 --> 12:27.600]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's coming to you very live over the radio.
[12:28.340 --> 12:29.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: We have a ring.
[12:30.860 --> 12:31.300]  [SPEAKER_04]: Capital?
[12:31.940 --> 12:33.280]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, this is the Capitol Building.
[12:34.800 --> 12:39.400]  [SPEAKER_18]: Can I be transferred to any House office or Senate office?
[12:39.660 --> 12:39.880]  Yes.
[12:40.140 --> 12:40.660]  [SPEAKER_18]: I can.
[12:41.080 --> 12:43.400]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, and is there somebody there 24 hours a day?
[12:44.080 --> 12:46.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, we're here 24 hours a day, but they aren't.
[12:46.840 --> 12:47.160]  [SPEAKER_18]: I see.
[12:47.240 --> 12:49.240]  [SPEAKER_18]: Do they have machines and things like that that'll take messages?
[12:50.080 --> 12:51.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: Some of them do.
[12:51.440 --> 12:51.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[12:52.580 --> 12:55.360]  [SPEAKER_18]: Can I be transferred to Newt Gingrich's line?
[12:55.540 --> 12:56.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, hold on.
[12:56.080 --> 12:56.720]  [SPEAKER_18]: Thank you very much.
[12:56.980 --> 12:57.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: Mm-hmm.
[12:58.100 --> 12:59.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: See how easy it is.
[13:01.300 --> 13:01.840]  [SPEAKER_10]: Speaker's office.
[13:02.240 --> 13:03.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, yes, hi.
[13:03.160 --> 13:04.900]  [SPEAKER_18]: This is the, this is Speaker Newt Gingrich's office?
[13:05.080 --> 13:05.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, it is.
[13:05.560 --> 13:07.900]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hi, I'm calling from WBAI Radio in New York.
[13:08.040 --> 13:12.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: We were just wondering if, uh, you guys have gotten a lot of phone calls today concerning the Internet protest day?
[13:13.580 --> 13:14.480]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, sir, we haven't.
[13:14.580 --> 13:15.900]  [SPEAKER_18]: You haven't gotten many phone calls, huh?
[13:15.960 --> 13:16.320]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, sir.
[13:16.540 --> 13:17.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: Have you gotten any?
[13:17.360 --> 13:17.940]  [SPEAKER_10]: Let me check.
[13:17.960 --> 13:18.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: Hold on.
[13:18.220 --> 13:18.520]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[13:24.100 --> 13:25.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: What was the first call?
[13:26.560 --> 13:33.180]  [SPEAKER_10]: We have had Internet censorship?
[13:33.480 --> 13:33.720]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[13:34.400 --> 13:39.340]  [SPEAKER_10]: We have had 12 calls, not 4-8, 12 calls.
[13:39.480 --> 13:40.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: 12 calls?
[13:40.180 --> 13:40.420]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, sir.
[13:40.540 --> 13:41.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, well that's something then.
[13:41.660 --> 13:42.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: Thank you very much.
[13:42.580 --> 13:42.840]  [SPEAKER_10]: Thank you.
[13:43.000 --> 13:43.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: Bye-bye.
[13:44.000 --> 13:45.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, I guess that makes us 13.
[13:45.680 --> 13:46.540]  [SPEAKER_18]: 12 calls?
[13:47.620 --> 13:48.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: What's going on here?
[13:48.900 --> 13:50.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: This is, uh, this is embarrassing.
[13:51.140 --> 13:51.880]  [SPEAKER_18]: 12 calls?
[13:52.020 --> 13:53.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: Unless he's lying, of course.
[13:53.260 --> 13:55.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: But, um, I don't know.
[13:55.380 --> 14:00.340]  [SPEAKER_18]: I think the Internet protest community has got some, uh, some, uh, work to do.
[14:00.780 --> 14:03.880]  [SPEAKER_18]: If we can only muster 12 calls on the entire Internet.
[14:03.940 --> 14:05.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, he's in favor.
[14:05.260 --> 14:06.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Maybe we should try calling someone who's against.
[14:06.700 --> 14:11.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's true, but like I said, this thing was saying everybody should call Newt Gingrich if they call anybody.
[14:11.080 --> 14:15.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, you know, even if they didn't question, you know, I expect most people would just do this without questioning it.
[14:15.520 --> 14:17.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, he should have gotten hundreds of calls.
[14:17.280 --> 14:19.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, we should ask for Jim Exxon and ask the same question.
[14:20.180 --> 14:21.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, you're right.
[14:21.340 --> 14:21.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: Excellent.
[14:22.860 --> 14:23.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: What's that 800 number again?
[14:24.060 --> 14:24.280]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[14:24.580 --> 14:26.300]  [SPEAKER_18]: I hate to keep racking up the bell here.
[14:27.720 --> 14:28.280]  [SPEAKER_18]: 1-800?
[14:28.280 --> 14:28.340]  [SPEAKER_18]: 1-800?
[14:28.820 --> 14:28.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[14:29.160 --> 14:29.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: 9-6-2.
[14:30.080 --> 14:30.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: 9-6-2.
[14:30.940 --> 14:32.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: 3-5-2-4.
[14:33.220 --> 14:33.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[14:37.430 --> 14:37.790]  [SPEAKER_24]: Capital.
[14:38.050 --> 14:39.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hi, can I have Jim Exxon's office, please?
[14:41.710 --> 14:42.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, this is fun.
[14:52.030 --> 14:52.770]  [SPEAKER_18]: Bum, bum, bum.
[14:53.010 --> 14:55.530]  [SPEAKER_23]: You've reached the offices of Senator Jim Exxon from Nebraska.
[14:55.830 --> 14:57.270]  [SPEAKER_23]: Our offices are now closed.
[14:57.430 --> 14:59.550]  [SPEAKER_23]: If you'd like to leave a message, please do so after the...
[14:59.550 --> 15:01.430]  [SPEAKER_06]: You have pressed an incorrect key.
[15:01.670 --> 15:02.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: You can hack his voicemail.
[15:03.630 --> 15:06.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: If you still want to leave a message for this person, press 3.
[15:07.070 --> 15:08.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Or simply stay on the line.
[15:08.970 --> 15:10.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, I'm gonna hit a star.
[15:10.590 --> 15:11.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: Goodbye.
[15:11.010 --> 15:11.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bye.
[15:11.310 --> 15:11.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh.
[15:12.690 --> 15:13.330]  [SPEAKER_18]: All right.
[15:13.590 --> 15:14.070]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well...
[15:14.070 --> 15:17.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: They play hardball over there in the Capital District.
[15:18.010 --> 15:21.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, but, uh, you see the possibilities are endless.
[15:22.170 --> 15:23.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: Ah, but let's get the message out.
[15:23.970 --> 15:24.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's the most important thing.
[15:25.650 --> 15:27.170]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, so Internet Protest Day.
[15:27.270 --> 15:28.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's, uh, that's what's going on as far as that goes.
[15:28.890 --> 15:41.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: Saying they could not depend on Congress to protect free speech on the Internet, the ACLU said that, uh, it would challenge in court any of the online censorship proposals now being considered by a House-Senate conference committee.
[15:41.770 --> 15:52.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, in a vote on December 6th, the House members of the Congressional Conference Committee on the telecommunications bill betrayed their chamber's earlier vote to reject censorship on the Internet.
[15:53.370 --> 16:02.630]  [SPEAKER_18]: All of Congress's proposals violate the First Amendment and privacy rights of adults to communicate freely in the online environment, said Barry Steinhardt, ACLU Associate Director.
[16:02.770 --> 16:09.390]  [SPEAKER_18]: Congress is making it ever more clear that we will have to turn to the courts to uphold free speech in the promising new medium of cyberspace.
[16:09.570 --> 16:14.270]  [SPEAKER_18]: The ACLU rejected as unconstitutional the proposals offered by Senator J.
[16:15.150 --> 16:28.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: James Exxon, uh, Democrat of Nebraska, Senator Charles Grassley, Republican of Iowa, and Representative Henry Hyde, Republican of Illinois, as well as the one offered by Representative Rick White, Republican of Washington.
[16:28.430 --> 16:33.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: The House conferees voted today on, uh, actually voted on December 6th.
[16:33.870 --> 16:35.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: Or was it the 7th?
[16:35.350 --> 16:44.230]  [SPEAKER_18]: On how to respond to the Senate's provisions on Internet censorship, although they first adopted the White censorship proposal, which the media widely and inaccurately, uh, portrayed as a compromise.
[16:44.730 --> 16:48.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, they then amended it to include the Senate's standard for censorship.
[16:48.970 --> 17:01.310]  [SPEAKER_18]: Last August, the House won widespread praise from the online community when it adopted an amendment to encourage Internet providers to better develop screening technologies for parents to use in controlling what their children see in cyberspace.
[17:01.490 --> 17:09.610]  [SPEAKER_18]: House Speaker Newt Gingrich went as far as to call the Senate version of the legislation a clear violation of free speech and a violation of the right of adults to communicate with each other.
[17:10.210 --> 17:24.550]  [SPEAKER_18]: Unfortunately, said ACLU Legislative Counsel Donald Haynes, the House members graciously accepted their applause for opposing censorship and then, in a legislative sleight of hand, turned right around and came up with their own scheme to censor what people say and see on the Internet.
[17:24.770 --> 17:29.230]  [SPEAKER_18]: So it's like a constant battleground, different, uh, proposals going back and forth, and...
[17:29.710 --> 17:31.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: and basically, we wind up being the losers.
[17:31.930 --> 17:35.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, uh, it's very important that, uh, that people voice their opinions.
[17:35.730 --> 17:38.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: And let's give out those 800 numbers one more time, and we'll move on to some other things.
[17:39.710 --> 17:39.790]  [SPEAKER_19]: Sure.
[17:39.790 --> 17:47.910]  [SPEAKER_19]: They're, uh, 800-962-3524 and 800-972-3524.
[17:48.110 --> 17:49.150]  [SPEAKER_19]: And they go to the same place?
[17:49.330 --> 17:49.490]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[17:49.950 --> 17:52.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: Supposedly, they, uh, supposed to both go to the Capitol building.
[17:52.650 --> 17:52.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[17:53.810 --> 17:55.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, here's something else going on in Poland.
[17:56.790 --> 18:05.570]  [SPEAKER_18]: NASK, a Polish monopolistic countrywide Internet provider, recently announced its plans to change the charging scheme for its services effective January 1st, 1996.
[18:06.230 --> 18:15.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: According to the new price list, NASK is going to charge on a per-byte basis at over one US dollar per two megabytes, instead of current per-bandwidth charges.
[18:16.290 --> 18:24.230]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, this idea, together with almost tenfold increase in prices, is perceived by the Polish Internet community as being suicidal for the Internet in Poland.
[18:24.490 --> 18:31.270]  [SPEAKER_18]: Many of Poland's major Internet service, uh, administrators immediately announced they will not be able to provide their services upon the introduction of new charges.
[18:31.270 --> 18:34.870]  [SPEAKER_18]: So far, NASK seems to arrogantly ignore all the general voices.
[18:35.410 --> 18:40.410]  [SPEAKER_18]: NASK was founded to maintain Poland's academic network and is sponsored financially by the Polish government.
[18:40.750 --> 18:47.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: And you can help Polish Internet survive by joining us in protest and, uh, spreading the word about that as well.
[18:47.410 --> 18:51.510]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, yeah, the United States is not the only place where, uh, where the Internet is in trouble.
[18:52.430 --> 18:53.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: Anything else happening this week?
[18:54.430 --> 18:56.210]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, hmm.
[18:56.910 --> 18:58.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: Not a whole hell of a lot, actually.
[18:58.490 --> 18:59.410]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, how about this?
[18:59.670 --> 19:04.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, there's a tariff filed by AT&T, November 29th.
[19:04.890 --> 19:05.850]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're gonna love this.
[19:06.790 --> 19:14.550]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, among other things, they'll increase interstate, uh, cent paid coin service charges and transport rates with an overall increase of 9.7%.
[19:15.050 --> 19:15.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, big deal.
[19:16.590 --> 19:21.810]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, they'll increase selected interstate charges for AT&T Reach Out America plans, about two to six percent per plan.
[19:22.930 --> 19:39.030]  [SPEAKER_18]: Apply a non-subscriber service charge of 40 cents per message to domestic inter-latter, interstate dial station calls originated from residential lines which are pre-subscribed to an inter-exchange carrier other than AT&T or not pre-subscribed to any inter-exchange carrier.
[19:39.470 --> 19:46.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: This charge is in addition to the initial period charges applicable to calls from points in the mainland in Hawaii to points throughout the United States, Puerto Rico, and the U.S.
[19:46.550 --> 19:47.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: Virgin Islands.
[19:47.090 --> 19:50.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: These charges are effective December 1st.
[19:50.430 --> 19:51.230]  [SPEAKER_18]: Do you realize what this means?
[19:51.470 --> 19:56.150]  [SPEAKER_18]: That charging a surcharge if you don't use AT&T and then you dial 10288.
[19:56.990 --> 19:57.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[19:57.530 --> 19:58.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: Is that incredible?
[19:58.330 --> 20:01.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: That they're actually, uh, actually have the gall to do this.
[20:01.250 --> 20:07.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: They're, they're kind of like forcing you to be part of AT&T, and if you're not, well, if you try to use our service, we'll just charge you 40 cents more per call.
[20:07.690 --> 20:10.290]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, I mean, I don't know if you could really argue.
[20:10.410 --> 20:14.290]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, some long-distance companies won't even let you use their carrier without being a subscriber.
[20:14.490 --> 20:15.330]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hey, that's okay.
[20:15.330 --> 20:21.850]  [SPEAKER_18]: If AT&T doesn't want any casual, uh, customers that aren't pre-subscribed customers, cut themselves off.
[20:21.970 --> 20:22.630]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's fine with me.
[20:22.750 --> 20:24.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: But to charge people a penalty?
[20:24.730 --> 20:26.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: I mean, that just seems, uh, it seems pretty arrogant.
[20:27.390 --> 20:28.670]  [SPEAKER_19]: They just mean business.
[20:28.890 --> 20:29.210]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[20:29.290 --> 20:33.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, I don't, I don't think it's very good business when, uh, when you do something like that.
[20:33.730 --> 20:34.650]  [SPEAKER_18]: No one's ever done it before.
[20:34.730 --> 20:39.010]  [SPEAKER_18]: No one's ever charged, you know, I mean, yeah, they, they've, they've not allowed people to do it, period.
[20:39.430 --> 20:41.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: But to charge them an excessive amount.
[20:41.990 --> 20:42.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: And this is an excessive amount.
[20:43.090 --> 20:44.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: 40 cents per call?
[20:44.270 --> 20:45.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: I assume that's what per message means.
[20:46.110 --> 20:47.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know why they call it that.
[20:48.490 --> 20:52.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um, I don't think this is going to fly very well with, with lots of, uh, other places.
[20:52.210 --> 20:58.150]  [SPEAKER_18]: And I'm sure all the other long-distance companies are going to use this in their advertising to say, hey, you can still use us even if you don't pre-subscribe.
[20:58.150 --> 21:00.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, it seems like they're trying to put the pressure on a little bit too much.
[21:01.810 --> 21:05.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, uh, let's see, that's, uh, that's pretty much what's going on.
[21:06.290 --> 21:10.450]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um, National Caller ID, how's that working out?
[21:11.230 --> 21:18.010]  [SPEAKER_19]: Um, well, I assume that it's still chugging along and more and more areas are becoming, uh, available.
[21:18.710 --> 21:21.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: Actually, I've heard that it's not working in very many places.
[21:21.110 --> 21:29.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: That, uh, in fact, the FCC has, uh, has, uh, pushed back the, uh, the deadline a little bit.
[21:29.770 --> 21:42.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um, some places, uh, telephone companies with switches lacking custom local area signaling service capabilities have until January 1st, 1997, to upgrade those switches to recognize CPN blocking and unblocking requests.
[21:42.930 --> 21:49.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, in the meantime, these phone companies must suppress CPN transport to interconnecting carriers from these switches.
[21:50.590 --> 21:52.570]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um, basically, it's not working in very many places.
[21:52.890 --> 21:52.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hmm.
[21:52.950 --> 21:54.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's working in some places, but not, not a whole.
[21:54.790 --> 21:58.230]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, I, I would, I would assume that it's working in all, all the major metropolitan areas.
[21:58.550 --> 22:03.850]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, I guess we can find out from those people that have caller ID if they want to call us and tell us if it's working or not.
[22:04.530 --> 22:06.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, uh, you know, we'll just, we'll hear from them, I guess.
[22:07.710 --> 22:11.650]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um, alright, so that's pretty much it as far as, uh, as far as that goes.
[22:12.090 --> 22:14.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, we have an update on the PSI story.
[22:14.950 --> 22:24.010]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know if we want to tell people what's going on with that, but PSI is basically the Internet provider that, uh, we're having quite a dispute with as far as, uh, their ISDN service.
[22:24.210 --> 22:39.570]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, a number of months ago, they, uh, they claim to offer what's known as, um, data over voice, um, uh, capability, which allows you to connect at 56k and bypass the penny a minute charge that 9x, uh, puts on for their 64k connections.
[22:40.050 --> 22:41.590]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, we called them up in August.
[22:41.850 --> 22:43.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: We asked them, do you offer this service?
[22:43.690 --> 22:44.330]  [SPEAKER_18]: They said yes.
[22:44.490 --> 22:45.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: We said, okay, great, sign us up.
[22:46.070 --> 22:46.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: We signed up.
[22:47.010 --> 22:47.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: We paid.
[22:47.890 --> 22:50.030]  [SPEAKER_18]: And then they told us, we don't offer that service.
[22:50.650 --> 22:54.390]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, now it looks like we're about to get involved in a big, long court battle with them.
[22:54.750 --> 23:05.810]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, uh, next week at this time, either the court battle will be resolved or you will hear for yourself PSI claiming to offer a service that they do not offer.
[23:05.810 --> 23:07.850]  [SPEAKER_18]: So tune in next week at this time.
[23:08.010 --> 23:13.150]  [SPEAKER_18]: Also, you might want to check out our website at 2600.com because we're also going to be putting up some evidence there as well.
[23:13.190 --> 23:18.070]  [SPEAKER_18]: And you can judge for yourself, uh, whether or not PSI deserves to serve the Internet community.
[23:18.630 --> 23:22.170]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, that's something that, uh, I think we need to focus upon.
[23:22.690 --> 23:30.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, uh, you know, if you have problems like this with, uh, your providers, please let us know because, uh, we want to be a, um, a sounding board for this kind of thing.
[23:30.970 --> 23:36.810]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, uh, a lot of people have already contacted us asking us, you know, should I go with this company?
[23:36.910 --> 23:37.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: Should I not go with this company?
[23:38.550 --> 23:41.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: And basically it's good to be able to provide them with information.
[23:41.950 --> 23:43.570]  [SPEAKER_18]: Say, well, this company did this.
[23:43.790 --> 23:48.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, you might want to reconsider signing up with a company that has business policies like this.
[23:48.990 --> 23:50.570]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, so that's, that's what we're here for.
[23:50.630 --> 23:52.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: If you have any information, you can email us too.
[23:53.110 --> 23:55.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, my address is Emmanuel at 2600.com.
[23:55.470 --> 23:57.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: Fibers is Fiber at 2600.com.
[23:57.530 --> 23:58.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's P-H-I-B-E-R.
[23:58.990 --> 24:01.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: And it's 2600, not spelled out.
[24:02.150 --> 24:03.290]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, anything else?
[24:03.410 --> 24:03.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: Any other updates?
[24:04.730 --> 24:06.230]  [SPEAKER_19]: Um, hmm.
[24:06.750 --> 24:08.590]  [SPEAKER_19]: Can't say all too much has been going on lately.
[24:08.810 --> 24:08.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[24:09.690 --> 24:14.510]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, well then, in that case, let's, uh, let's go to the phones.
[24:14.610 --> 24:18.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: 212-279-3400 is our telephone number.
[24:18.810 --> 24:20.630]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let us know what's going on in your world.
[24:22.810 --> 24:24.290]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, good evening, you're on the air.
[24:25.610 --> 24:26.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
[24:26.310 --> 24:27.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: Go ahead, speak up.
[24:27.510 --> 24:28.670]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Emmanuel.
[24:29.110 --> 24:29.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: Speak up, please.
[24:30.210 --> 24:31.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, I got you.
[24:31.970 --> 24:32.630]  [SPEAKER_18]: Are you there?
[24:32.890 --> 24:34.130]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's like an echo.
[24:35.050 --> 24:36.550]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, that's because your radio is on.
[24:36.870 --> 24:37.290]  [SPEAKER_18]: Emmanuel.
[24:37.510 --> 24:38.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: Turn your radio down, and you'll be fine.
[24:39.270 --> 24:39.650]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[24:40.270 --> 24:40.710]  [SPEAKER_18]: What's up?
[24:41.610 --> 24:42.030]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[24:42.770 --> 24:44.270]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Emmanuel, I have a question.
[24:44.450 --> 24:45.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: What's your question?
[24:46.310 --> 24:47.670]  [SPEAKER_02]: I have a couple questions.
[24:47.930 --> 24:51.010]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, start with question number one, and then we'll move on to question number two.
[24:51.550 --> 24:52.950]  [SPEAKER_02]: How do you make your phone ring?
[24:53.510 --> 24:59.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: How do I make my phone ring, or how does, how do general people make their phone ring?
[24:59.250 --> 25:01.390]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, there's different ways.
[25:01.690 --> 25:02.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: It depends where you are.
[25:02.550 --> 25:03.290]  [SPEAKER_18]: What's your area code?
[25:06.360 --> 25:11.400]  [SPEAKER_18]: I realize it might be a tough question, but, uh, your area code are the first three numbers of your phone number.
[25:12.300 --> 25:13.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, it's 718.
[25:13.560 --> 25:14.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: 718.
[25:14.340 --> 25:14.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[25:15.180 --> 25:16.440]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um, what works with 718?
[25:16.700 --> 25:17.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: 660?
[25:17.340 --> 25:19.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, depending on what your switch type is.
[25:19.820 --> 25:25.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: If you're on a, uh, on a 5ESS, then you would normally dial 660, and the last four digits are your phone number.
[25:26.180 --> 25:30.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: And then when you get the dial tone back, flash the switch hook once, and hang up.
[25:30.740 --> 25:31.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: But if you're on the...
[25:31.900 --> 25:32.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: DMS.
[25:32.440 --> 25:38.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: DMS100, you dial 660 and your full seven-digit number, and do the same thing.
[25:38.540 --> 25:39.600]  [SPEAKER_18]: And then your phone should ring.
[25:39.780 --> 25:40.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[25:40.240 --> 25:42.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: You should just try both, actually.
[25:43.060 --> 25:51.360]  [SPEAKER_18]: There's other ways to make your phone ring, too, ranging from calling people and asking them to call you, having the operator call you, uh, three-waying and then dropping something and having it ring you back.
[25:51.520 --> 25:51.680]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[25:52.100 --> 25:53.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: Or something like that.
[25:54.300 --> 25:55.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: I have another question.
[25:55.760 --> 25:56.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[25:56.560 --> 26:00.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, on the blue box thing, what do you mean by crystal?
[26:02.060 --> 26:03.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, blue box thing.
[26:05.040 --> 26:06.420]  [SPEAKER_18]: Can you be a little more specific?
[26:07.600 --> 26:08.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: The crystal.
[26:10.560 --> 26:11.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[26:11.620 --> 26:11.980]  Yeah?
[26:12.240 --> 26:12.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[26:12.700 --> 26:13.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: The blue box.
[26:13.520 --> 26:13.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh-huh.
[26:14.660 --> 26:15.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean by...
[26:15.540 --> 26:16.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean by crystal?
[26:17.000 --> 26:18.380]  [SPEAKER_18]: What do we mean by crystal?
[26:18.740 --> 26:18.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[26:20.160 --> 26:21.820]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, you have any idea what this is about?
[26:23.780 --> 26:24.140]  Um...
[26:24.140 --> 26:25.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: No, not...
[26:25.100 --> 26:26.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: Unless he means red box.
[26:26.840 --> 26:27.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: Do you mean red box?
[26:27.760 --> 26:28.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[26:28.240 --> 26:28.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[26:29.200 --> 26:29.660]  [SPEAKER_18]: All right.
[26:29.740 --> 26:30.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: Red, blue, what's the difference?
[26:30.900 --> 26:31.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, yeah, that's those colors.
[26:31.940 --> 26:32.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: But, um, okay.
[26:32.860 --> 26:34.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: As far as the crystal.
[26:34.400 --> 26:35.160]  [SPEAKER_18]: All right, what kind of crystal?
[26:35.760 --> 26:37.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um, a six and a half megahertz crystal.
[26:37.840 --> 26:38.440]  [SPEAKER_18]: Six point five.
[26:38.880 --> 26:40.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: Or six point four nine nine.
[26:41.080 --> 26:42.740]  [SPEAKER_18]: Or six point five, whatever.
[26:43.000 --> 26:44.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: Actually, six point five is the closest.
[26:44.580 --> 26:45.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, six point five.
[26:45.540 --> 26:47.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: Despite, uh, popular, uh, belief.
[26:47.580 --> 26:47.820]  [SPEAKER_18]: All right.
[26:48.100 --> 26:49.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: What do you mean by that?
[26:49.440 --> 26:50.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, what do I mean by it?
[26:50.720 --> 26:52.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, I mean nothing whatsoever by it.
[26:52.860 --> 26:54.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, but what do you mean by crystal?
[26:54.820 --> 26:57.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, crystal is, uh, it's an electronics component.
[26:57.740 --> 26:58.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh huh.
[26:59.980 --> 27:01.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: Does that answer your question?
[27:02.840 --> 27:03.160]  What?
[27:03.280 --> 27:04.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, it's gonna have to do.
[27:04.400 --> 27:05.380]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's just gonna have to do.
[27:05.860 --> 27:07.940]  [SPEAKER_18]: I'm afraid we can't, uh, stay on this subject forever.
[27:08.080 --> 27:08.340]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening.
[27:08.460 --> 27:09.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're on WBAI.
[27:10.160 --> 27:10.480]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[27:10.700 --> 27:11.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, go ahead.
[27:11.460 --> 27:14.820]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, uh, what can you do about, uh, mass emailings?
[27:15.000 --> 27:15.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: Like, uh...
[27:15.560 --> 27:16.340]  [SPEAKER_12]: What's that noise?
[27:16.800 --> 27:17.120]  [SPEAKER_12]: What's that noise?
[27:17.120 --> 27:17.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I'm sitting in my car.
[27:18.300 --> 27:18.880]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I'll turn.
[27:19.020 --> 27:19.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, I'm sorry.
[27:19.860 --> 27:21.200]  [SPEAKER_12]: What is that, your door open or something?
[27:21.220 --> 27:24.400]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, I'm sitting in my car with the key and the ignition, and it's not running.
[27:25.060 --> 27:27.500]  [SPEAKER_18]: It sounded like a nuclear explosion was imminent or something.
[27:27.500 --> 27:28.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: Ah, sorry.
[27:28.280 --> 27:30.180]  [SPEAKER_18]: Alright, so, you're on a cellular phone?
[27:30.420 --> 27:30.640]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes.
[27:30.760 --> 27:32.540]  [SPEAKER_18]: You realize that people can hear this conversation?
[27:32.780 --> 27:35.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm not saying anything, uh, you know, that nobody can hear.
[27:35.680 --> 27:36.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, they can hear it on the radio anyway.
[27:37.140 --> 27:37.180]  [SPEAKER_18]: Shh.
[27:37.680 --> 27:38.840]  [SPEAKER_18]: Don't tell people that.
[27:39.240 --> 27:40.700]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, yes, what's your question?
[27:40.900 --> 27:47.220]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I've been getting a lot of mass emailings, like from multiple, multiple level marketing, uh, scams and all kinds of garbage.
[27:47.360 --> 27:48.580]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is there any way to block that?
[27:49.360 --> 28:00.420]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, well, my method is when I get something like that, I basically send them something back that they'll never forget, like a huge file, or I can subscribe them to multiple mailing lists as well.
[28:00.640 --> 28:04.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, basically, unsolicited mail on the Internet is uncool.
[28:04.340 --> 28:09.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: You send something to somebody that didn't ask you to send it, uh, you're opening yourself up to all kinds of responses.
[28:09.620 --> 28:10.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[28:10.520 --> 28:14.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um, so how angry is this getting you, and how much mail are we talking about?
[28:14.100 --> 28:22.000]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I'm trying to figure out, like, should I, since I get junk mail regularly, you know, snail mail, should I accept junk email?
[28:22.000 --> 28:24.680]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, it's just something I'm trying to resolve in my own head.
[28:25.180 --> 28:31.300]  [SPEAKER_13]: But, um, every, you know, every day I come, I go to my computer, uh, there's like three or four different...
[28:31.300 --> 28:41.240]  [SPEAKER_18]: The thing is, the difference between junk mail that you get in your mailbox is that the people have paid something to send that to you, and, uh, you know, they've, they've invested in you a little bit.
[28:41.540 --> 28:43.440]  [SPEAKER_18]: On the Internet, you can send mail for free.
[28:43.660 --> 28:49.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: And that works to your advantage as well, because you can send them back what they send you, and you can multiply that by ten if you want.
[28:49.900 --> 28:49.920]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[28:49.920 --> 28:52.980]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, uh, they have to deal with exactly the same thing, you don't need a special permit.
[28:53.560 --> 29:02.680]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, it's, it's a totally different set of rules, you know, and, and if people start clogging up your mailbox with junk, uh, it's, um, you know, it's, it's going to be a real pain for you.
[29:02.820 --> 29:05.020]  [SPEAKER_18]: Because it's really, it's not costing them anything to do it.
[29:05.320 --> 29:05.500]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[29:05.580 --> 29:07.020]  [SPEAKER_18]: So they can, they can abuse this.
[29:07.300 --> 29:10.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: But then again, by the same token, they can be abused right back.
[29:10.280 --> 29:10.680]  [SPEAKER_14]: I see.
[29:10.800 --> 29:11.980]  [SPEAKER_18]: So I think that's, that's the best way.
[29:12.060 --> 29:13.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: You give them a taste of their own medicine.
[29:13.360 --> 29:13.660]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[29:13.960 --> 29:14.540]  [SPEAKER_13]: Thank you very much.
[29:14.660 --> 29:15.100]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay, good luck.
[29:15.160 --> 29:15.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bye.
[29:17.660 --> 29:19.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: 212-279-3400.
[29:19.540 --> 29:20.840]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening, you're on off the hook.
[29:22.320 --> 29:22.720]  [SPEAKER_11]: Hello.
[29:22.880 --> 29:23.280]  [SPEAKER_18]: Go ahead.
[29:24.840 --> 29:25.380]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I?
[29:25.560 --> 29:26.440]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, speak up, please.
[29:28.660 --> 29:30.340]  [SPEAKER_18]: You got to speak up a lot louder than that.
[29:31.100 --> 29:33.000]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I'm having a problem with the phone company.
[29:33.180 --> 29:33.500]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[29:33.900 --> 29:34.740]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're in the right place then.
[29:34.980 --> 29:35.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.
[29:35.640 --> 29:40.180]  [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, AT&T is my long distance carrier.
[29:41.200 --> 29:41.640]  [SPEAKER_11]: Okay?
[29:41.840 --> 29:42.160]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[29:44.500 --> 29:46.700]  [SPEAKER_11]: And I received my bill recently.
[29:48.000 --> 29:48.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: Okay.
[29:48.440 --> 29:49.820]  [SPEAKER_11]: And have Sprint on it.
[29:50.920 --> 29:51.360]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[29:51.500 --> 29:52.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's my carrier.
[29:52.440 --> 29:52.900]  [SPEAKER_12]: All right.
[29:52.940 --> 29:56.520]  [SPEAKER_11]: For a call that was made, like a collect call that I received last month.
[29:57.320 --> 29:57.620]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[29:57.720 --> 30:01.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: If I call up Sprint, raise in hell, why did they switch my phone without my authorization?
[30:02.380 --> 30:06.060]  [SPEAKER_11]: According to them, they have no record of me on their computers.
[30:06.700 --> 30:08.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: You say that this is for a collect call.
[30:08.700 --> 30:08.900]  [SPEAKER_11]: Right.
[30:09.580 --> 30:10.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: How is that?
[30:10.680 --> 30:17.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, you see, when you get a collect call, it's not necessarily going to be with the carrier that you've chosen as your long distance carrier.
[30:17.240 --> 30:18.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: It can be any carrier.
[30:18.360 --> 30:19.020]  [SPEAKER_18]: It depends.
[30:19.520 --> 30:22.300]  [SPEAKER_18]: People can call you collect from any long distance company.
[30:22.340 --> 30:25.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: And if you accept it, the long distance company will bill you.
[30:26.140 --> 30:28.180]  [SPEAKER_18]: So it's got nothing to do with what you select.
[30:28.620 --> 30:29.620]  [SPEAKER_11]: But isn't this strange?
[30:29.800 --> 30:35.680]  [SPEAKER_11]: Because I received calls from this person before, and it has never appeared on Sprint's invoice.
[30:35.840 --> 30:36.980]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's always been on AT&T.
[30:36.980 --> 30:37.920]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh-huh.
[30:39.000 --> 30:40.100]  [SPEAKER_11]: That, to me, seems...
[30:40.100 --> 30:42.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: So you recognize the phone number the person called from?
[30:42.360 --> 30:44.400]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I accepted the call.
[30:44.600 --> 30:44.860]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[30:45.240 --> 30:47.660]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, that person changed the long distance company, then.
[30:48.840 --> 30:52.960]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, I thought that Sprint only operated in the United States.
[30:53.020 --> 30:54.260]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's from the island.
[30:55.880 --> 30:56.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's from where?
[30:56.980 --> 30:57.340]  Jamaica.
[30:57.980 --> 30:58.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, you can...
[30:58.780 --> 31:01.540]  [SPEAKER_18]: They have things called Sprint Direct, I think, is what it is.
[31:01.640 --> 31:02.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: I have no idea.
[31:02.740 --> 31:07.640]  [SPEAKER_18]: Basically, every long distance company has a way to get back to the United States now, from different countries.
[31:07.920 --> 31:17.180]  [SPEAKER_18]: And if you call that particular number, which is usually toll-free from that country, you can get connected at a certain charge, and that would apply to collect calls as well.
[31:17.640 --> 31:22.320]  [SPEAKER_18]: So you can be called collect virtually from any country now, from any long distance company as well.
[31:23.660 --> 31:27.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: So any long distance carrier can accept the charges?
[31:27.720 --> 31:33.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: If the person in that particular country decides to call the contact number for that long distance company, yes.
[31:34.220 --> 31:35.840]  [SPEAKER_18]: Then it'll be passed on to you.
[31:35.840 --> 31:41.700]  [SPEAKER_11]: My initial reaction was to refuse to pay for the call because Sprint is not my carrier.
[31:41.980 --> 31:42.100]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[31:42.240 --> 31:44.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, again, it's got nothing to do with what your carrier is.
[31:44.660 --> 31:46.660]  [SPEAKER_18]: It has to do with what the person making the call selected.
[31:46.900 --> 31:48.180]  [SPEAKER_11]: But I'm the one who's paying for the call.
[31:48.280 --> 31:50.280]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, that's true, but you're not the one that placed the call.
[31:50.540 --> 31:51.940]  [SPEAKER_18]: With a collect call, that's different.
[31:52.200 --> 31:52.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: I think.
[31:52.500 --> 31:53.960]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's the only time something like this can happen.
[31:54.840 --> 31:56.880]  [SPEAKER_18]: For instance, when Bernie S.
[31:57.000 --> 31:59.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: was in prison and we got all these collect calls from him...
[31:59.060 --> 31:59.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[31:59.260 --> 32:03.700]  [SPEAKER_18]: We got built by this strange company called Loctel.
[32:04.000 --> 32:05.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: Company that you never heard of?
[32:05.320 --> 32:06.240]  [SPEAKER_18]: Company we never heard of.
[32:06.320 --> 32:07.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: Company we don't know how to get a hold of.
[32:07.880 --> 32:08.620]  [SPEAKER_11]: And it was legal?
[32:08.960 --> 32:11.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's legal because he's the one making the collect call.
[32:11.800 --> 32:12.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[32:12.320 --> 32:17.360]  [SPEAKER_18]: He's the one that made the call in the first place and the only choice he had was to go through that particular company.
[32:17.360 --> 32:17.420]  [SPEAKER_18]: Company.
[32:17.580 --> 32:19.140]  [SPEAKER_18]: So that company called us collect.
[32:19.440 --> 32:22.420]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, of course, if we wanted to accept the call, we had to accept it on those terms.
[32:22.860 --> 32:23.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: Mm-hmm.
[32:23.700 --> 32:25.360]  [SPEAKER_11]: It sort of annoys me because I've never...
[32:25.360 --> 32:26.180]  [SPEAKER_11]: This is kind of strange.
[32:26.280 --> 32:27.420]  [SPEAKER_11]: I've never seen this before.
[32:27.780 --> 32:28.080]  [SPEAKER_18]: Mm-hmm.
[32:28.300 --> 32:30.320]  [SPEAKER_11]: But I guess if you say so...
[32:30.320 --> 32:30.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[32:30.460 --> 32:32.120]  [SPEAKER_18]: No, it makes sense.
[32:32.300 --> 32:36.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, you know, you're right to question it, but there's really nothing you can do other than not accept the calls.
[32:36.880 --> 32:37.180]  [SPEAKER_11]: Right.
[32:37.460 --> 32:37.580]  [SPEAKER_11]: All right.
[32:38.140 --> 32:38.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: Thank you very much.
[32:38.960 --> 32:39.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[32:39.380 --> 32:39.640]  [SPEAKER_18]: Take care.
[32:41.000 --> 32:41.560]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening.
[32:41.680 --> 32:42.040]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're on the air.
[32:44.240 --> 32:44.800]  [SPEAKER_18]: Speak up.
[32:45.020 --> 32:45.380]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yes.
[32:46.300 --> 32:46.700]  [SPEAKER_15]: Hello.
[32:46.940 --> 32:50.680]  [SPEAKER_15]: I wanted to know about your long-distance warehouse people.
[32:51.340 --> 32:52.260]  [SPEAKER_18]: Long-distance warehouse?
[32:52.420 --> 32:53.560]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, I haven't heard about them in a while.
[32:54.320 --> 32:57.700]  [SPEAKER_15]: There's one that uses the number 10297.
[32:58.020 --> 32:58.340]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[32:58.640 --> 32:59.780]  [SPEAKER_15]: Do you know anything about them?
[32:59.900 --> 33:01.020]  [SPEAKER_15]: And if it's...
[33:01.020 --> 33:03.660]  [SPEAKER_15]: I just never heard of anything like this before.
[33:04.420 --> 33:04.820]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well...
[33:04.820 --> 33:08.660]  [SPEAKER_15]: I went ahead and used it, and it seemed to save a lot of money, but I didn't know...
[33:09.180 --> 33:10.560]  [SPEAKER_15]: I don't know anything about them.
[33:10.660 --> 33:11.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: Have you gotten billed yet?
[33:11.820 --> 33:12.200]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yes.
[33:12.440 --> 33:12.640]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[33:12.760 --> 33:14.480]  [SPEAKER_18]: And was the bill what they said it would be?
[33:14.480 --> 33:16.140]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, it was...
[33:16.140 --> 33:16.300]  [SPEAKER_15]: I...
[33:16.300 --> 33:18.900]  [SPEAKER_15]: What I did was I did a comparison call.
[33:19.100 --> 33:24.580]  [SPEAKER_15]: I called the same number on my regular carrier, and then I called it using them, and it was like half.
[33:25.100 --> 33:26.720]  [SPEAKER_18]: So you actually save money with them.
[33:26.900 --> 33:27.940]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, but I just...
[33:27.940 --> 33:28.320]  [SPEAKER_15]: I...
[33:28.320 --> 33:34.100]  [SPEAKER_15]: It kind of makes me nervous to use a company I've never heard of that has access to my phone number.
[33:34.260 --> 33:34.540]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[33:34.540 --> 33:36.780]  [SPEAKER_15]: I don't know if there's any problems with that sort of thing or not.
[33:36.840 --> 33:37.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh...
[33:37.220 --> 33:37.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, the...
[33:37.760 --> 33:45.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: The only problems I've heard of from companies like this so far are them signing people up for one-plus service, and, uh...
[33:45.060 --> 33:46.160]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, without your permission.
[33:46.440 --> 33:46.620]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh-huh.
[33:46.800 --> 33:47.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh...
[33:47.060 --> 33:51.420]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's possible that was just some sort of a clerical error, and that these companies are actually quite legitimate.
[33:52.020 --> 33:52.460]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh...
[33:52.460 --> 33:59.720]  [SPEAKER_18]: They can afford to provide you with lower, uh, lower phone rates because they buy them in bulk from the phone company themselves, from different phone companies.
[34:00.260 --> 34:04.660]  [SPEAKER_18]: And then they sell them at, at, uh, at a substantial discount.
[34:05.080 --> 34:05.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[34:05.620 --> 34:07.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: And so you're able to benefit from that way.
[34:07.280 --> 34:10.880]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, I mean, it doesn't seem like it's, uh, there's really any catch as far as this goes.
[34:11.060 --> 34:13.200]  [SPEAKER_18]: Other than just, uh, dialing that carrier access code.
[34:13.380 --> 34:13.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[34:13.940 --> 34:21.380]  [SPEAKER_18]: And, uh, I don't know, you know, if, uh, if, if your, if your records are not secure with this company, they're not secure with any company, to be honest.
[34:21.740 --> 34:21.760]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[34:22.820 --> 34:27.540]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, your records are open virtually, uh, to anybody that calls in and asks for them.
[34:27.760 --> 34:28.000]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[34:28.100 --> 34:30.600]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's, it's kind of crazy, but that's, uh, that's the way it is.
[34:30.820 --> 34:31.080]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[34:31.520 --> 34:31.700]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay?
[34:31.700 --> 34:32.460]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's all I needed to know.
[34:32.640 --> 34:32.880]  [SPEAKER_18]: All right.
[34:33.020 --> 34:33.520]  [SPEAKER_18]: Thank you very much.
[34:33.560 --> 34:33.780]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good luck.
[34:35.000 --> 34:38.220]  [SPEAKER_18]: Now, speaking of that, have you called AT&T recently?
[34:39.020 --> 34:40.060]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, I don't think I have.
[34:40.180 --> 34:43.500]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, AT&T's got this rather interesting automated service now.
[34:43.740 --> 34:44.540]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's, uh, give them a call.
[34:48.850 --> 34:50.610]  [SPEAKER_18]: And you can find out all kinds of neat things.
[34:50.970 --> 34:51.070]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hmm.
[34:51.070 --> 34:55.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you for calling the AT&T Account Servicing Center.
[34:55.810 --> 35:02.130]  [SPEAKER_07]: If you have a Touch-Tone phone and have questions about your AT&T bill, please press one.
[35:02.470 --> 35:03.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: Let's do that.
[35:03.490 --> 35:04.270]  [SPEAKER_07]: For questions...
[35:05.070 --> 35:05.770]  [SPEAKER_18]: Double ring.
[35:08.500 --> 35:10.400]  [SPEAKER_18]: You think you're getting transferred to a human.
[35:10.400 --> 35:12.980]  [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for calling AT&T.
[35:13.400 --> 35:18.780]  [SPEAKER_06]: Using your Touch-Tone keypad, please enter your home area code and phone number.
[35:19.460 --> 35:21.580]  [SPEAKER_18]: Um, let's, let's enter...
[35:24.490 --> 35:24.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: 2600.
[35:25.310 --> 35:25.530]  [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks.
[35:25.750 --> 35:27.210]  [SPEAKER_06]: You just told me...
[35:34.270 --> 35:36.030]  [SPEAKER_06]: If that's right...
[35:36.030 --> 35:36.670]  [SPEAKER_06]: Press one.
[35:38.430 --> 35:42.470]  [SPEAKER_06]: If you're calling about AT&T long distance service or charges...
[35:42.470 --> 35:43.150]  [SPEAKER_06]: Press one.
[35:44.570 --> 35:49.090]  [SPEAKER_06]: If at any time during this call you're not sure what to do, just stay on the line.
[35:49.090 --> 35:50.510]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'll repeat your choices.
[35:51.270 --> 35:54.330]  [SPEAKER_06]: Here are your AT&T service choices.
[35:55.130 --> 35:57.390]  [SPEAKER_06]: For billing questions or problems...
[35:57.890 --> 35:58.610]  [SPEAKER_06]: Press one.
[35:59.370 --> 36:03.410]  [SPEAKER_06]: Please have your AT&T bill ready, so I can help you.
[36:04.070 --> 36:07.490]  [SPEAKER_06]: If there's a call on your bill you don't recognize...
[36:07.490 --> 36:08.170]  [SPEAKER_06]: Press one.
[36:09.290 --> 36:11.490]  [SPEAKER_06]: Please wait while we access your records.
[36:12.790 --> 36:13.430]  [SPEAKER_06]: And I haven't...
[36:13.430 --> 36:15.970]  [SPEAKER_06]: Please enter the phone number of the call you don't recognize.
[36:16.350 --> 36:17.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's all you have to do.
[36:17.370 --> 36:18.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: Enter the phone number.
[36:18.150 --> 36:18.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's enter the White House.
[36:20.410 --> 36:21.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's the only number I know we call a lot.
[36:23.390 --> 36:25.610]  [SPEAKER_06]: The phone number you want me to check is...
[36:25.610 --> 36:26.390]  [SPEAKER_06]: Is...
[36:26.390 --> 36:26.850]  [SPEAKER_06]: Two...
[36:26.850 --> 36:27.430]  [SPEAKER_06]: Zero...
[36:27.430 --> 36:28.230]  [SPEAKER_06]: Two...
[36:28.230 --> 36:29.230]  [SPEAKER_06]: Four...
[36:29.230 --> 36:29.710]  [SPEAKER_06]: Five...
[36:29.710 --> 36:30.830]  [SPEAKER_06]: Six...
[36:30.830 --> 36:31.770]  [SPEAKER_06]: One...
[36:31.770 --> 36:32.210]  [SPEAKER_06]: Three...
[36:32.210 --> 36:32.730]  [SPEAKER_06]: One...
[36:32.730 --> 36:33.110]  [SPEAKER_06]: Three...
[36:33.110 --> 36:34.130]  [SPEAKER_06]: If that's right...
[36:34.130 --> 36:34.850]  [SPEAKER_06]: Press one.
[36:35.650 --> 36:36.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: If not...
[36:36.730 --> 36:37.350]  [SPEAKER_06]: Press two.
[36:37.470 --> 36:43.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: Basically, if you have called that number, it will tell you who it belongs to.
[36:44.340 --> 36:55.150]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, we can pick anybody in the country, enter their phone number, and find out who it is they're calling.
[36:55.610 --> 36:56.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: As long as we know.
[36:56.430 --> 36:58.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, we can say that there's a fairly good chance that...
[36:59.590 --> 37:01.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: Remember when we played with CBS's bill a few months ago?
[37:02.170 --> 37:07.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: There's a pretty good chance that somewhere in the CBS organization they've called the White House or something like that, or some particular number.
[37:07.250 --> 37:12.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: This thing will give us the name attached to the phone number, without any kind of verification whatsoever.
[37:12.690 --> 37:12.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hmm.
[37:12.890 --> 37:13.330]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, yeah.
[37:13.690 --> 37:14.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's wide open.
[37:15.090 --> 37:16.610]  [SPEAKER_18]: And this isn't typical of...
[37:17.210 --> 37:19.070]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, atypical of AT&T.
[37:19.690 --> 37:20.050]  It's...
[37:20.050 --> 37:22.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: All phone companies do this to some degree.
[37:22.250 --> 37:25.470]  [SPEAKER_18]: They may ask you for some kind of verification, but it's not hard to get that.
[37:25.610 --> 37:28.310]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, it's not hard to get that verification in the first place.
[37:29.010 --> 37:29.410]  [SPEAKER_18]: They...
[37:30.070 --> 37:33.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: Sometimes ask you for the three digits following your phone number on your phone bill.
[37:34.150 --> 37:38.510]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's easy to call your phone company and ask them what those three digits are because you don't have your phone bill handy.
[37:38.610 --> 37:40.650]  [SPEAKER_18]: Then you've got the three digits and you can do anything you want.
[37:41.050 --> 37:44.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, it's just a question of how ignorant people are running the computers.
[37:46.150 --> 37:47.590]  [SPEAKER_18]: 212-279-3400.
[37:47.770 --> 37:48.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[37:49.890 --> 37:50.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hello?
[37:50.450 --> 37:50.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yes, go ahead.
[37:52.030 --> 37:52.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hi, how are you?
[37:52.790 --> 37:53.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: Pretty good, how are you?
[37:53.770 --> 38:02.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I was wondering, is there any way to connect an external modem up to a multi-line office phone?
[38:04.270 --> 38:06.330]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, yeah, actually there is.
[38:06.750 --> 38:08.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, because every time I...
[38:08.250 --> 38:11.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Going into the wall jack, I get no dial tone.
[38:11.830 --> 38:15.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: Going from the handset into the computer, I get no dial tone.
[38:15.910 --> 38:16.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: How can I do this?
[38:17.150 --> 38:19.750]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, what kind of multi-line phone system is it?
[38:19.770 --> 38:20.930]  [SPEAKER_19]: Is it digital or analog?
[38:21.930 --> 38:25.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's analog, but it's hooked up into a computer system or something like that.
[38:25.750 --> 38:25.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[38:26.690 --> 38:30.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's like in an office, and I just wanted to put a laptop into...
[38:30.870 --> 38:36.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: And the only jacks here are the jacks that go into this phone, this office phone system.
[38:36.730 --> 38:39.250]  [SPEAKER_19]: Does it use a normal phone jack, or is it the big fat plugs?
[38:39.570 --> 38:42.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a six-line, six-thing plug.
[38:42.930 --> 38:43.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's got...
[38:43.810 --> 38:46.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's using the normal jacks, the four.
[38:46.610 --> 38:46.950]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[38:46.950 --> 38:47.870]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, the...
[38:47.870 --> 38:51.190]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, typically, on an office phone that uses the...
[38:51.190 --> 38:54.990]  [SPEAKER_19]: That uses an RJ11 jack, only they use all six wires?
[38:55.230 --> 38:55.490]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[38:55.770 --> 38:59.450]  [SPEAKER_19]: Normally, at least, if you plug a modem in, it should use the middle two wires.
[38:59.990 --> 39:03.090]  [SPEAKER_19]: What you might need to do, depending on the wiring, is...
[39:03.090 --> 39:04.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: Use the middle two wires?
[39:04.450 --> 39:04.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: No.
[39:04.570 --> 39:05.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: What colors would they be?
[39:06.090 --> 39:08.470]  [SPEAKER_19]: Normally, red and green are the two middle, and that's...
[39:08.470 --> 39:09.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: Just use the red and green?
[39:09.770 --> 39:11.210]  [SPEAKER_19]: No, well, normally, it would be used.
[39:11.310 --> 39:15.950]  [SPEAKER_19]: The fact that you're telling me that it doesn't work, sounds like they wire a bit differently.
[39:15.950 --> 39:16.330]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[39:16.590 --> 39:18.110]  [SPEAKER_19]: What you might try doing...
[39:18.110 --> 39:19.630]  [SPEAKER_19]: There's two things you could do.
[39:19.830 --> 39:20.030]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[39:20.190 --> 39:27.070]  [SPEAKER_19]: One of them is to try different pairs of wires out of the six, and find two that match that actually give a dial tone.
[39:27.610 --> 39:30.970]  [SPEAKER_19]: That would be one thing to do, since, obviously, it is not the two middle ones.
[39:31.210 --> 39:31.470]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[39:31.630 --> 39:33.050]  [SPEAKER_19]: It might be on and even.
[39:33.470 --> 39:35.530]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, they could use whatever scheme they like.
[39:35.790 --> 39:35.930]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[39:35.930 --> 39:44.790]  [SPEAKER_19]: Another thing that you could do that'll definitely work, however, you won't have control of the switch hook with your modem, is to unplug the handset, if you can.
[39:44.950 --> 39:45.350]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[39:45.750 --> 39:50.290]  [SPEAKER_19]: And plug your modem into the handset jack.
[39:50.290 --> 39:54.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: I've tried that now, and that's the way I would really like to go.
[39:54.770 --> 39:55.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: Should I make...
[39:56.250 --> 39:57.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: When I get...
[39:57.250 --> 40:00.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: Doing it that way, I'm not getting...
[40:00.130 --> 40:02.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm still not getting a dial tone in the computer.
[40:02.430 --> 40:05.050]  [SPEAKER_19]: You'd have to actually select the line manually on the phone.
[40:05.610 --> 40:06.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: And then...
[40:06.470 --> 40:07.430]  [SPEAKER_19]: And then you should...
[40:07.430 --> 40:08.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: And then I hear the dial tone.
[40:08.450 --> 40:08.690]  [SPEAKER_19]: Right.
[40:09.110 --> 40:10.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: But I'm not getting...
[40:10.210 --> 40:11.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not going over to the computer.
[40:12.070 --> 40:12.370]  [SPEAKER_19]: Really?
[40:12.370 --> 40:12.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[40:12.990 --> 40:15.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that's going from the handset into...
[40:17.310 --> 40:18.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: Directly into the modem.
[40:18.930 --> 40:19.170]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[40:19.270 --> 40:21.770]  [SPEAKER_19]: If you're unplugging the handset and plugging it...
[40:21.770 --> 40:22.050]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[40:22.050 --> 40:25.110]  [SPEAKER_19]: Plugging the small RJ-14 jack directly into the modem...
[40:25.110 --> 40:25.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[40:25.170 --> 40:25.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: And then I...
[40:25.590 --> 40:28.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: On the other end of it, I put a four...
[40:29.690 --> 40:33.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: A four-prong, so that it fits inside the modem jack.
[40:33.050 --> 40:33.770]  [SPEAKER_19]: You don't have to.
[40:33.850 --> 40:38.310]  [SPEAKER_19]: You could actually fit the RJ-14, sort of like position it in the center.
[40:38.590 --> 40:39.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, okay.
[40:39.390 --> 40:42.010]  [SPEAKER_19]: It doesn't have to fit exactly, as long as it's in the middle.
[40:42.010 --> 40:42.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh-huh.
[40:42.970 --> 40:43.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, I'll try that.
[40:43.910 --> 40:44.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[40:44.150 --> 40:45.670]  [SPEAKER_19]: You should be getting a dial...
[40:45.670 --> 40:47.710]  [SPEAKER_19]: You should be able to pick up a line on the phone.
[40:47.910 --> 40:48.610]  [SPEAKER_19]: Select a line.
[40:48.950 --> 40:51.850]  [SPEAKER_19]: And then pick up the dial on the computer.
[40:51.990 --> 40:52.970]  [SPEAKER_19]: And you should have dial tone.
[40:53.250 --> 40:53.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[40:53.850 --> 40:55.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: It doesn't seem to be working.
[40:55.490 --> 40:56.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: But I'm going to keep playing with it.
[40:56.970 --> 40:58.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: That should work.
[40:58.270 --> 40:59.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's what I figured.
[40:59.130 --> 40:59.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: That sounds logical.
[40:59.710 --> 41:00.910]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's definitely been done.
[41:01.210 --> 41:01.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[41:01.910 --> 41:02.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[41:02.310 --> 41:02.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Thanks a lot.
[41:03.010 --> 41:03.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[41:03.370 --> 41:03.850]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good luck.
[41:04.190 --> 41:04.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[41:05.290 --> 41:05.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening.
[41:05.810 --> 41:06.070]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're on.
[41:08.110 --> 41:09.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: Thank you very much for that comment.
[41:09.370 --> 41:09.630]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening.
[41:09.710 --> 41:10.010]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're on.
[41:12.010 --> 41:12.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[41:12.810 --> 41:13.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: Nice to hear myself.
[41:13.810 --> 41:14.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening.
[41:14.170 --> 41:14.410]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're on.
[41:15.350 --> 41:19.770]  [SPEAKER_21]: To the lady or to anybody that wants to know about the Long Distance Wholesale Club...
[41:19.770 --> 41:20.070]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[41:20.270 --> 41:21.830]  [SPEAKER_21]: I have an 800 number for them.
[41:22.110 --> 41:22.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[41:22.930 --> 41:24.590]  [SPEAKER_21]: Long Distance Wholesale Club.
[41:24.790 --> 41:26.550]  [SPEAKER_21]: They're down in Chantilly, Virginia.
[41:27.270 --> 41:35.450]  [SPEAKER_21]: And, uh, they're 1-800-787-7887.
[41:35.610 --> 41:36.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: Have you used them?
[41:36.810 --> 41:37.410]  [SPEAKER_21]: Uh, yeah.
[41:37.410 --> 41:38.010]  [SPEAKER_21]: I have.
[41:38.110 --> 41:40.750]  [SPEAKER_21]: I had to make a one-hour call out to Colorado.
[41:41.010 --> 41:41.130]  [SPEAKER_21]: Uh-huh.
[41:41.130 --> 41:42.290]  [SPEAKER_21]: And I did save on it.
[41:42.650 --> 41:46.470]  [SPEAKER_21]: And, uh, the reason why I got their number was because I had a problem.
[41:46.910 --> 42:03.390]  [SPEAKER_21]: Uh, the first time it went through, it, uh, picked up, it, it was a strange call, so I hung up and redialed, but it still came through on my, because I had, you see, the problem was is I had nobody really to call when I first used 1-0-2-9-7 to say, hey,
[42:03.450 --> 42:04.250]  [SPEAKER_21]: that was the wrong number.
[42:04.250 --> 42:05.590]  [SPEAKER_21]: I wanted taken off my bill.
[42:05.750 --> 42:06.070]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[42:06.290 --> 42:12.290]  [SPEAKER_21]: So I had to wait till I got billed, and I had to call the billing agent, which at the time was USBI.
[42:12.730 --> 42:13.010]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[42:13.170 --> 42:15.070]  [SPEAKER_21]: Now, they've since changed over to Telco.
[42:15.190 --> 42:16.590]  [SPEAKER_21]: That's their new billing agent.
[42:16.890 --> 42:17.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: Telco?
[42:17.570 --> 42:18.650]  [SPEAKER_21]: T-E-L-C-O.
[42:18.850 --> 42:19.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: They actually got that word?
[42:20.250 --> 42:20.490]  [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah.
[42:20.650 --> 42:21.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's amazing.
[42:21.490 --> 42:21.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: Wow.
[42:22.250 --> 42:26.270]  [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, and, um, Telco tried to help me, but couldn't.
[42:26.390 --> 42:27.730]  [SPEAKER_21]: They said, all right, you have to go to LD.
[42:27.950 --> 42:29.490]  [SPEAKER_21]: So then they gave me LD's number.
[42:29.650 --> 42:31.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: Just for what, a 12-cent call or something?
[42:31.290 --> 42:33.350]  [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, it was 17 cents, and they gave me my text.
[42:33.350 --> 42:41.530]  [SPEAKER_21]: They were actually, I was very surprised, because a lot of times when you try and scout these other companies down, they do their very best not to be available.
[42:41.790 --> 42:43.070]  [SPEAKER_21]: These people were available.
[42:43.070 --> 42:44.610]  [SPEAKER_21]: They're there from like 7 a.m.
[42:44.650 --> 42:45.290]  [SPEAKER_21]: to 8 p.m.
[42:45.390 --> 42:45.910]  [SPEAKER_21]: Central Time.
[42:46.030 --> 42:55.590]  [SPEAKER_21]: They were helpful, and the only problem was is that they're not hooked into 9x, so they couldn't just take it off my phone bill.
[42:55.670 --> 42:58.950]  [SPEAKER_21]: They had to send me a check, but they sent me a check for 19 cents.
[42:59.870 --> 43:02.290]  [SPEAKER_21]: You know, I got my money back, and it didn't take long.
[43:02.290 --> 43:03.590]  [SPEAKER_18]: Check for 19 cents, huh?
[43:03.710 --> 43:05.610]  [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah, well, I mean, I said this is stupid.
[43:05.770 --> 43:07.170]  [SPEAKER_21]: She says, well, I'm very sorry.
[43:07.310 --> 43:08.710]  [SPEAKER_21]: Right now we're not hooked up that way.
[43:08.710 --> 43:10.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, actually, the local phone company used to do that all the time.
[43:10.810 --> 43:13.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: Whenever you reported a problem with a coin phone.
[43:13.870 --> 43:14.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, but that was when it cost 5 cents.
[43:14.830 --> 43:16.010]  [SPEAKER_18]: Sometimes they would send you change.
[43:16.190 --> 43:16.790]  [SPEAKER_21]: But that's when it cost 5 cents to make a check.
[43:16.790 --> 43:17.770]  [SPEAKER_21]: They never sent change.
[43:18.170 --> 43:20.430]  [SPEAKER_21]: Now it costs, you know, $1.50 or something.
[43:20.830 --> 43:23.730]  [SPEAKER_21]: But anyway, I felt that they were polite.
[43:23.730 --> 43:26.770]  [SPEAKER_21]: They also sent a nice letter with it, and they made themselves accessible.
[43:27.330 --> 43:28.770]  [SPEAKER_21]: So, so far, so good.
[43:29.130 --> 43:29.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[43:29.650 --> 43:30.470]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, well, that's good to hear.
[43:30.610 --> 43:31.010]  [SPEAKER_21]: Thank you.
[43:31.130 --> 43:31.750]  [SPEAKER_21]: All right, thanks for calling.
[43:32.230 --> 43:32.470]  [SPEAKER_18]: Bye.
[43:32.470 --> 43:32.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: I don't know, what do you think?
[43:33.030 --> 43:34.630]  [SPEAKER_18]: Have you made a call with 10297 yet?
[43:34.770 --> 43:39.030]  [SPEAKER_19]: No, those are the ones that said that your long-distance instructions have changed, right?
[43:39.090 --> 43:40.370]  [SPEAKER_19]: Your dialing instructions have changed.
[43:40.450 --> 43:44.210]  [SPEAKER_18]: It was a clever advertising call, yeah, to make it seem like the phone company was telling you that.
[43:44.270 --> 43:45.370]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, well, it was too cute for me.
[43:45.510 --> 43:46.410]  [SPEAKER_19]: I avoided them.
[43:46.810 --> 43:49.590]  [SPEAKER_18]: But if you can actually save money with them, would it not be to your advantage?
[43:49.790 --> 43:52.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, but I save money right now with AT&T True Savings.
[43:52.530 --> 43:55.510]  [SPEAKER_18]: Not anymore, because their True Savings are going up.
[43:55.850 --> 43:58.510]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, I guess they have to pay for those True Savings somehow.
[43:58.730 --> 44:00.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, and they have to pass it on to everybody else.
[44:01.630 --> 44:03.010]  [SPEAKER_18]: Unbelievable, the things AT&T is doing.
[44:03.770 --> 44:05.570]  [SPEAKER_18]: How about the new NYNEX calling plan?
[44:05.590 --> 44:11.470]  [SPEAKER_18]: I finally got confirmation from a NYNEX representative saying that after a year, they do reevaluate your phone number.
[44:11.610 --> 44:11.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh.
[44:11.830 --> 44:15.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: And they will charge you a new rate based on how much you use it over that year.
[44:16.030 --> 44:16.170]  [SPEAKER_14]: Hmm.
[44:16.550 --> 44:22.390]  [SPEAKER_18]: But, you know, if you have two or three lines, and you simply hop from one to the other, I mean, you know, that's fine.
[44:22.530 --> 44:27.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: If you want to play that kind of a game, I wish they would just come up with a flat fee for everybody, you know, and just leave it at that.
[44:28.130 --> 44:31.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: And you can call anywhere in 914, 212, 718, 516, all that.
[44:32.250 --> 44:34.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: And maybe eventually there will be a flat fee for the entire country.
[44:36.090 --> 44:38.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: Because, you know, long distance really isn't long distance anymore.
[44:39.970 --> 44:40.550]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's not.
[44:40.810 --> 44:43.550]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's just a short hump between two points.
[44:43.630 --> 44:45.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, that's what it's come down to.
[44:45.950 --> 44:46.410]  [SPEAKER_18]: All right.
[44:46.550 --> 44:46.870]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening.
[44:46.930 --> 44:47.330]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're on the air.
[44:48.750 --> 44:49.290]  [SPEAKER_18]: Go ahead.
[44:49.790 --> 44:50.270]  [SPEAKER_22]: Oh, hello.
[44:50.490 --> 44:50.650]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yes.
[44:50.650 --> 44:51.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: Hi.
[44:51.810 --> 44:59.710]  [SPEAKER_22]: First of all, I'd like to say I agree with you about the lobbying on the Congress about the Internet censorship bill.
[44:59.890 --> 45:05.230]  [SPEAKER_22]: I was trying to do that, actually, over six months ago, and I called various senators and congressmen.
[45:06.170 --> 45:11.430]  [SPEAKER_22]: Most of them were a little bit ignorant or feigned ignorance about the, that is to say, the people in the office.
[45:12.530 --> 45:13.310]  [SPEAKER_22]: Ignorance about it.
[45:13.430 --> 45:14.890]  [SPEAKER_22]: But they gave me a good response.
[45:15.170 --> 45:16.350]  [SPEAKER_22]: And, you know, I have no idea.
[45:16.610 --> 45:19.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, you know, every phone call to a congressman means something.
[45:19.850 --> 45:21.810]  [SPEAKER_18]: And as you can see, Newt Gingrich only got 12 today.
[45:22.490 --> 45:24.230]  [SPEAKER_18]: You better believe every call counts.
[45:24.390 --> 45:25.330]  [SPEAKER_22]: Yeah, there's no doubt about it.
[45:25.390 --> 45:26.850]  [SPEAKER_22]: Because so few people actually do it.
[45:26.850 --> 45:27.390]  [SPEAKER_18]: What?
[45:27.570 --> 45:29.430]  [SPEAKER_18]: So few people actually make the call in the first place.
[45:29.570 --> 45:29.810]  [SPEAKER_22]: I know.
[45:29.970 --> 45:30.210]  [SPEAKER_22]: I know.
[45:31.190 --> 45:36.510]  [SPEAKER_22]: Also, could you repeat that number that that woman just before me gave out?
[45:36.510 --> 45:37.510]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, I didn't write that down.
[45:37.810 --> 45:41.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: But I imagine if you call 800-INFORMATION and ask for Long Distance Wholesale Club, you'd probably get it that way.
[45:41.930 --> 45:42.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, okay.
[45:42.850 --> 45:43.110]  [SPEAKER_22]: All right.
[45:43.110 --> 45:48.830]  [SPEAKER_22]: Well, my main topic was the gripe about 9x.
[45:49.150 --> 45:54.990]  [SPEAKER_22]: Did anybody notice how terrible they have a new policy with directory assistance or a new format or whatever you want to call it?
[45:55.090 --> 45:55.510]  [SPEAKER_18]: What is it?
[45:55.970 --> 46:04.570]  [SPEAKER_22]: Well, you call directory assistance, then you get like this recording that says, Welcome to 9x directory assistance or something like that.
[46:05.250 --> 46:06.210]  [SPEAKER_22]: It's a recording.
[46:06.450 --> 46:11.250]  [SPEAKER_22]: And then the recording asks you what city, please.
[46:11.490 --> 46:14.090]  [SPEAKER_22]: And you just say it like you don't know if anybody's listening or not.
[46:14.770 --> 46:19.590]  [SPEAKER_22]: And then it waits a few moments and it asks you what is the listing.
[46:19.830 --> 46:25.530]  [SPEAKER_22]: And then finally, in varying degrees of time, you'll get a live operator on.
[46:25.630 --> 46:26.510]  [SPEAKER_22]: Or maybe not even.
[46:26.710 --> 46:28.730]  [SPEAKER_22]: Sometimes the number just comes on automatically.
[46:29.010 --> 46:30.790]  [SPEAKER_22]: But often it's the wrong number.
[46:30.910 --> 46:32.350]  [SPEAKER_22]: They're not even accurate on the thing.
[46:32.350 --> 46:33.890]  [SPEAKER_22]: Then after that...
[46:33.890 --> 46:34.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's the wrong number, huh?
[46:35.130 --> 46:35.530]  [SPEAKER_22]: Sometimes.
[46:36.030 --> 46:36.730]  [SPEAKER_22]: Fairly often.
[46:36.730 --> 46:38.410]  [SPEAKER_22]: If they don't even give you an accurate reading.
[46:38.990 --> 46:39.770]  [SPEAKER_22]: You didn't notice this.
[46:40.010 --> 46:41.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, I don't call information a whole lot.
[46:41.850 --> 46:42.650]  [SPEAKER_22]: Oh, I do.
[46:43.410 --> 46:44.770]  [SPEAKER_18]: It costs too much money.
[46:45.270 --> 46:46.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's what phone books are for, you know?
[46:46.810 --> 46:47.730]  [SPEAKER_22]: Well, I'll tell you...
[46:47.730 --> 46:49.130]  [SPEAKER_22]: Well, you know, I save a lot of money...
[46:49.130 --> 46:53.630]  [SPEAKER_22]: I have a certain handicap where my information numbers are free.
[46:53.890 --> 46:54.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, that's good.
[46:55.150 --> 46:58.690]  [SPEAKER_22]: I use them a lot because you can figure out what the handicap is.
[46:58.690 --> 47:04.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: The thing is, you can save a lot of money with CD-ROMs, you know, that have the entire country on a couple of discs.
[47:05.130 --> 47:08.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: And you can simply look it up that way in a fraction of a second, you'll have a listing.
[47:09.110 --> 47:11.450]  [SPEAKER_18]: As well as other numbers, you know, in addition.
[47:11.730 --> 47:12.010]  Uh-huh.
[47:12.090 --> 47:14.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: So that saves a lot of money over NYNEX and AT&T.
[47:16.030 --> 47:16.430]  [SPEAKER_22]: Right.
[47:16.570 --> 47:17.790]  [SPEAKER_22]: Well, I wasn't even talking about money.
[47:17.850 --> 47:20.390]  [SPEAKER_22]: I'm just talking about the inconvenience, and it's sort of like a...
[47:20.390 --> 47:25.310]  [SPEAKER_22]: It just gives you an annoying feeling, the way that it's used, and it's sometimes inaccurate.
[47:25.870 --> 47:26.070]  Uh-huh.
[47:26.210 --> 47:28.250]  [SPEAKER_22]: And also, after that, then they...
[47:29.030 --> 47:35.370]  [SPEAKER_22]: When you do get the number, you know, the computer voice tells you the number, and then they have this thing...
[47:35.370 --> 47:43.630]  [SPEAKER_22]: Now, before they repeat the number a second time, they'll say, the computer voice will say, for an additional charge of 35 cents...
[47:43.630 --> 47:43.770]  [SPEAKER_22]: Right.
[47:43.970 --> 47:49.190]  [SPEAKER_22]: ...say yes, or at the tone, and you'll automatically dial the number.
[47:49.330 --> 47:49.650]  [SPEAKER_22]: Right, but...
[47:49.650 --> 47:54.650]  [SPEAKER_22]: You have to wait for all that to go through, because I don't want to do that, I want to dial it myself.
[47:54.830 --> 47:56.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right, but to get it a second time, you have to sit through all that.
[47:57.190 --> 47:57.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[47:57.330 --> 48:00.170]  [SPEAKER_18]: And you know, even if you say no, it still tries to connect the call for you.
[48:00.210 --> 48:02.070]  [SPEAKER_18]: I think it's looking for any voice whatsoever.
[48:02.070 --> 48:04.970]  [SPEAKER_22]: Well, of course, it doesn't know something yes and no, it's just any kind of sound.
[48:05.030 --> 48:09.170]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, most voice recognition systems know the difference between yes, no, and a lot of other things these days.
[48:09.510 --> 48:09.870]  [SPEAKER_18]: Absolutely.
[48:10.070 --> 48:10.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: I haven't noticed that.
[48:10.330 --> 48:10.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: Absolutely.
[48:10.830 --> 48:16.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: Call AT&T, and they'll say, press or say one now, press or say two now.
[48:16.870 --> 48:18.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: You don't need a Touch-Tone phone anymore.
[48:18.710 --> 48:18.930]  [SPEAKER_22]: Really?
[48:19.130 --> 48:20.350]  [SPEAKER_22]: What's that, their 800 number?
[48:21.090 --> 48:25.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's one of AT&T's numbers, but I'm seeing that in an increasing number of places, actually.
[48:25.510 --> 48:25.650]  [SPEAKER_18]: Really?
[48:26.090 --> 48:26.830]  Well, that's amazing.
[48:27.030 --> 48:39.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: The directory assistants that you mentioned, though, that's something we played with a few weeks ago, when they had it in Washington, D.C., and what we were able to determine was that, in fact, they are recording your voice, playing it back for a human who then punches in the right...
[48:39.890 --> 48:42.730]  [SPEAKER_22]: I asked one of the operators, and they say that it's piped in or something.
[48:42.810 --> 48:43.030]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[48:43.030 --> 48:45.510]  [SPEAKER_22]: I got very angry with them a couple weeks ago.
[48:45.630 --> 48:51.710]  [SPEAKER_22]: I kind of lost my cool, and I started sort of cursing them out through it, and they immediately put me onto a supervisor, another supervisor.
[48:52.070 --> 48:52.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh-huh.
[48:52.530 --> 48:52.750]  [SPEAKER_22]: Yeah.
[48:53.530 --> 48:54.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, so they hear what you say.
[48:55.110 --> 48:55.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's not...
[48:55.370 --> 49:02.010]  [SPEAKER_22]: Oh, yeah, they hear it right away, but I think they do it because they probably fired a lot of people, so they have many less operators or something.
[49:02.270 --> 49:02.770]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's true.
[49:02.850 --> 49:03.870]  [SPEAKER_18]: They are firing quite a few people.
[49:04.230 --> 49:04.450]  [SPEAKER_22]: Yeah.
[49:05.050 --> 49:05.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: All right, thanks for the info.
[49:06.130 --> 49:06.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[49:06.390 --> 49:06.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[49:07.010 --> 49:16.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: What I'd like to do now is try, see if they have it, first of all, for our local information, and then see if we can ask for a number without having a human say anything to us at any time.
[49:17.350 --> 49:17.670]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[49:17.850 --> 49:18.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: It should pick up.
[49:18.850 --> 49:20.290]  [SPEAKER_18]: It should ask us, what city?
[49:21.050 --> 49:21.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right?
[49:21.530 --> 49:22.310]  [SPEAKER_18]: We say, what city?
[49:22.390 --> 49:23.230]  [SPEAKER_18]: It should say, what listing?
[49:23.370 --> 49:24.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: Still talking to the computer, we say, what listing?
[49:25.650 --> 49:32.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: Then it connects to a human who doesn't have to say anything to us, who will then push the button that plays the message as to what the number is.
[49:32.990 --> 49:37.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: Now, if the human being actually speaks and says, here's your number, the whole experiment is blown.
[49:38.550 --> 49:42.710]  [SPEAKER_18]: Because where you want to do this without talking to a single human being and having a single human being talk to us.
[49:42.770 --> 49:45.150]  [SPEAKER_18]: So if a human talks to us, the experiment is a failure.
[49:45.650 --> 49:46.390]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's try it.
[49:48.370 --> 49:48.770]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oops.
[49:49.530 --> 49:51.470]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, let's try getting that again.
[49:53.970 --> 49:54.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: 411.
[49:57.310 --> 49:58.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: NYNEX, what listing?
[49:59.810 --> 50:00.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: WBAI, New York.
[50:01.810 --> 50:02.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: WBAI?
[50:02.210 --> 50:03.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, rats.
[50:05.330 --> 50:07.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, you think we should try 555-1212?
[50:08.050 --> 50:08.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[50:09.330 --> 50:10.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's try that again.
[50:11.850 --> 50:14.710]  [SPEAKER_18]: Nothing ruins your day like hearing a friendly human voice.
[50:18.770 --> 50:19.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: NYNEX, what listing?
[50:20.450 --> 50:21.410]  [SPEAKER_18]: WBAI, New York.
[50:21.850 --> 50:22.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[50:27.010 --> 50:28.830]  [SPEAKER_04]: The number you requested...
[50:28.830 --> 50:29.470]  [SPEAKER_04]: That's a one, isn't it?
[50:29.550 --> 50:30.730]  [SPEAKER_04]: 2-7-9.
[50:30.850 --> 50:30.990]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[50:31.730 --> 50:33.970]  [SPEAKER_04]: 0-7-0-7.
[50:34.310 --> 50:42.030]  [SPEAKER_04]: Can be automatically dialed by pressing the number one or saying the word yes at the tone for an additional charge of 35 cents.
[50:42.030 --> 50:42.230]  [SPEAKER_04]: Watch this.
[50:42.870 --> 50:46.130]  [SPEAKER_04]: Again, the number is 2-7-9.
[50:46.630 --> 50:49.390]  [SPEAKER_04]: 0-7-0-7.
[50:50.990 --> 50:51.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: 0-7-0-7.
[50:52.830 --> 50:56.130]  [SPEAKER_04]: Again, the number is 2-7-9.
[50:57.270 --> 50:59.390]  [SPEAKER_04]: 0-7-0-7.
[50:59.690 --> 51:00.510]  [SPEAKER_18]: Please hang up.
[51:00.850 --> 51:01.210]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[51:01.530 --> 51:01.930]  [SPEAKER_18]: Thank you.
[51:02.270 --> 51:03.590]  [SPEAKER_18]: Actually, they've improved.
[51:03.830 --> 51:05.230]  [SPEAKER_18]: They don't connect you anymore when you say no.
[51:05.550 --> 51:06.570]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, but you got a human.
[51:06.830 --> 51:07.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: And they hung up.
[51:07.870 --> 51:08.490]  [SPEAKER_18]: I didn't hang up.
[51:08.570 --> 51:09.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: They hung up.
[51:09.710 --> 51:10.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: Ah, yeah, I did get a human.
[51:11.070 --> 51:12.170]  [SPEAKER_18]: You know, it's hard.
[51:12.550 --> 51:14.030]  [SPEAKER_18]: It doesn't quite work yet.
[51:14.190 --> 51:16.710]  [SPEAKER_18]: But eventually, they'll get rid of all the humans and we'll just hear computers.
[51:17.250 --> 51:18.810]  [SPEAKER_18]: And people at NYNEX will be happy.
[51:19.150 --> 51:19.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening.
[51:19.790 --> 51:20.150]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're on the air.
[51:20.490 --> 51:20.750]  [SPEAKER_24]: Hello?
[51:20.930 --> 51:21.190]  [SPEAKER_24]: Hi.
[51:22.330 --> 51:24.850]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, I'm here to put in a complaint about PSI.
[51:25.270 --> 51:25.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[51:25.910 --> 51:26.350]  [SPEAKER_12]: Let's hear it.
[51:27.290 --> 51:27.650]  [SPEAKER_24]: Um...
[51:27.650 --> 51:27.890]  [SPEAKER_24]: Hello?
[51:28.070 --> 51:28.590]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, go ahead.
[51:28.670 --> 51:33.030]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, my username is DMRA and I recently signed up for PSI for about two weeks.
[51:33.150 --> 51:33.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[51:33.530 --> 51:36.310]  [SPEAKER_24]: And I'm trying to get off through email and I haven't gotten through.
[51:36.450 --> 51:40.330]  [SPEAKER_24]: I've been just sending back and forth and saying that I got the address wrong, I got that wrong.
[51:40.590 --> 51:40.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[51:40.850 --> 51:47.290]  [SPEAKER_24]: And I called my credit card company and they told me they can't do anything about it until I receive the bill and they're going to have to dispute this and so forth.
[51:47.650 --> 51:49.970]  [SPEAKER_18]: Now, did PSI make you sign a contract?
[51:50.630 --> 51:51.210]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, yeah.
[51:51.430 --> 51:51.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[51:51.850 --> 51:58.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: You see, the problem we're having is that our credit card company is saying because we signed a contract that we're liable to whatever PSI says.
[51:59.090 --> 51:59.350]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[51:59.370 --> 52:06.590]  [SPEAKER_18]: Which I think is complete nonsense because the contract was signed in the false pretenses and as far as we're concerned, it's a fragile in charge.
[52:06.910 --> 52:09.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, why is it that you are trying to, uh, disconnect from PSI?
[52:10.310 --> 52:12.510]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, I signed up for about two weeks and so forth.
[52:12.710 --> 52:19.430]  [SPEAKER_24]: And then I was just seeing what their Internet is for so that I could, you know, kind of shop around for the best Internet there is.
[52:19.630 --> 52:19.950]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[52:20.090 --> 52:23.590]  [SPEAKER_24]: And so I signed up for two weeks doing this on my college internship and so forth.
[52:23.770 --> 52:26.610]  [SPEAKER_24]: And then within that two-ing period, I tried to get off.
[52:27.230 --> 52:29.410]  [SPEAKER_24]: And it just wouldn't let me get off.
[52:29.470 --> 52:33.830]  [SPEAKER_24]: And by the time I sent the email, I just kept sending it back saying that the address in billing was wrong.
[52:33.950 --> 52:35.090]  [SPEAKER_24]: It didn't recognize my username.
[52:35.370 --> 52:37.510]  [SPEAKER_24]: It didn't recognize my emailing address and everything.
[52:38.210 --> 52:40.170]  [SPEAKER_24]: And it's just been going on and on.
[52:40.750 --> 52:41.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: Did you try calling them?
[52:42.370 --> 52:43.090]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, yes.
[52:43.290 --> 52:49.670]  [SPEAKER_24]: I tried calling them, and an interesting part about it, no one can give me an answer because they said that's not the department, that's billing department.
[52:50.170 --> 52:53.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's exactly the problem we had is the departmental conflict.
[52:53.910 --> 52:57.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: One department doesn't speak to another department and they want to pass it off onto each other.
[52:57.630 --> 52:59.550]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, you need to go as high up as possible.
[52:59.670 --> 53:02.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: First of all, how long a period of time did you sign up for?
[53:02.090 --> 53:03.610]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, for about two weeks.
[53:03.730 --> 53:04.610]  [SPEAKER_24]: The two-week free trial?
[53:04.810 --> 53:05.130]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh-huh.
[53:05.270 --> 53:06.290]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, it's a two-week free trial?
[53:06.370 --> 53:06.630]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yes.
[53:06.850 --> 53:07.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[53:07.850 --> 53:09.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, so your two weeks are up.
[53:09.450 --> 53:13.810]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yes, and I decided that I didn't like PSI and I wanted to switch to another company.
[53:13.990 --> 53:14.210]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[53:14.330 --> 53:21.110]  [SPEAKER_24]: And my username is DMRA, and I sent all this, and I even tried to get the name of the president of the company.
[53:21.470 --> 53:29.490]  [SPEAKER_24]: And the first person I spoke to wouldn't, and I had to call Virginia like so many times to first sign on and then to get off with the pain in there.
[53:29.490 --> 53:31.630]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, they have an 800 number, so you don't have to call Virginia.
[53:32.190 --> 53:34.270]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, they only, um, take orders there.
[53:34.550 --> 53:38.110]  [SPEAKER_24]: They, they only take orders, and they keep referring me to a number in Virginia.
[53:38.370 --> 53:39.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, actually, they can transfer you.
[53:40.210 --> 53:41.330]  [SPEAKER_24]: They told me they can't.
[53:41.410 --> 53:42.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, they're lying, because they can't.
[53:42.730 --> 53:43.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: I've been transferred on that number.
[53:43.890 --> 53:52.010]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, because I asked them right now, and they just told me, they told me, we can't transfer you, and I hanged up, and I called Virginia, and I keep calling, and the phone calls, and you know.
[53:52.170 --> 53:56.090]  [SPEAKER_18]: Do you notice how when you call Virginia, you get the exact same recording as when you call the 800 number?
[53:56.290 --> 53:56.630]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah.
[53:56.850 --> 53:58.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, uh, it's, it's going to the same place.
[53:58.890 --> 53:59.210]  [SPEAKER_24]: Okay.
[53:59.590 --> 53:59.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[54:00.150 --> 54:03.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, well, now, has anything showed up yet on your, on your credit card bill?
[54:03.750 --> 54:04.290]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, nothing.
[54:04.430 --> 54:05.450]  [SPEAKER_24]: I haven't received a bill yet.
[54:05.570 --> 54:06.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: Have you signed anything?
[54:07.490 --> 54:12.850]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, the only thing I signed was to log on my credit card and the whole thing to start off with a two-week trial.
[54:12.850 --> 54:13.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[54:13.550 --> 54:17.450]  [SPEAKER_18]: What you need to do is notify your credit card company now, because undoubtedly that charge will go through.
[54:17.610 --> 54:18.750]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, I notify them already.
[54:18.930 --> 54:19.150]  [SPEAKER_18]: All right.
[54:19.270 --> 54:19.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: And what do they say?
[54:19.990 --> 54:20.630]  [SPEAKER_18]: They say they'll...
[54:20.630 --> 54:26.130]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, they can't do anything until the bill comes in and then they'll try to dispute with them and resolve that with the company.
[54:27.370 --> 54:29.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: It sounds like you're going down the same road we're going down.
[54:29.790 --> 54:29.990]  [SPEAKER_24]: Mm-hmm.
[54:30.090 --> 54:32.590]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's, it's unfortunate this kind of thing has to happen so many times.
[54:32.910 --> 54:33.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: Mm-hmm.
[54:33.430 --> 54:35.010]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, stay in touch with us.
[54:35.070 --> 54:41.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let us know how things work out with, with them, because we're trying to keep track of all the PSI cases, uh, that are out there to see if, uh...
[54:41.690 --> 54:44.430]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, what's the best buy out there for other internets and so forth?
[54:44.590 --> 54:44.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: I'm sorry?
[54:45.250 --> 54:47.990]  [SPEAKER_24]: What's the best buy for other Internet sites and so forth?
[54:48.230 --> 54:48.590]  You know, Internet.
[54:48.990 --> 54:50.150]  [SPEAKER_24]: Better than PSI.
[54:50.250 --> 54:50.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: Where, where are you located?
[54:51.370 --> 54:52.010]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, Mahan.
[54:52.010 --> 54:52.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[54:53.030 --> 54:54.510]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, try escape then.
[54:54.790 --> 54:55.070]  [SPEAKER_24]: Escape.
[54:55.290 --> 54:57.210]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, that's, that's, that's the one that's nearest.
[54:58.370 --> 54:58.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh...
[54:58.690 --> 54:59.750]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, service provided.
[54:59.970 --> 55:00.170]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah.
[55:00.510 --> 55:00.830]  [SPEAKER_24]: Escape?
[55:01.070 --> 55:02.070]  [SPEAKER_18]: Do you have a, do you have a modem?
[55:02.490 --> 55:02.890]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, yes.
[55:03.130 --> 55:03.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay.
[55:03.830 --> 55:06.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, 212-888-8212.
[55:06.830 --> 55:07.530]  [SPEAKER_24]: Okay, 212.
[55:08.250 --> 55:09.190]  [SPEAKER_24]: Can you repeat that again?
[55:09.330 --> 55:13.230]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, 212-888-8212.
[55:13.290 --> 55:14.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: You can't sign up that way?
[55:14.190 --> 55:14.650]  [SPEAKER_24]: No, it gets long.
[55:14.750 --> 55:15.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: You have to call.
[55:15.350 --> 55:16.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh, okay, you have to call by voice.
[55:16.970 --> 55:18.050]  [SPEAKER_24]: Uh, what's the number for that?
[55:18.050 --> 55:19.790]  [SPEAKER_18]: 212-888-8780.
[55:21.030 --> 55:21.390]  [SPEAKER_24]: 887...
[55:21.390 --> 55:22.230]  [SPEAKER_24]: Oh, okay.
[55:24.510 --> 55:25.630]  [SPEAKER_24]: Okay, thanks a lot, sir.
[55:25.810 --> 55:26.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good luck.
[55:26.150 --> 55:27.750]  [SPEAKER_18]: Keep us updated on the PSI situation.
[55:28.210 --> 55:28.530]  [SPEAKER_24]: All right.
[55:29.070 --> 55:34.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: Yeah, I've, I've gotten a lot of email, too, from people all over the world with, uh, PSI complaints.
[55:34.530 --> 55:39.870]  [SPEAKER_18]: So, this goes to show that once you, uh, once you have a run in with a company, you'll, uh, you'll get all kinds of other stories.
[55:40.170 --> 55:41.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: What we'll try to do is compile them all.
[55:41.910 --> 55:47.270]  [SPEAKER_18]: And then next week for our special PSI show, we will, uh, we will be happy to, uh, to spread those around.
[55:47.790 --> 55:49.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's see if we can fit in one more phone call.
[55:49.410 --> 55:49.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: Good evening.
[55:49.790 --> 55:50.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: You're on the air.
[55:50.430 --> 55:50.790]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hi.
[55:51.030 --> 55:51.410]  [SPEAKER_18]: How you doing?
[55:51.590 --> 55:51.770]  Hi.
[55:52.410 --> 55:53.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: I have a, uh, question.
[55:53.770 --> 55:58.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: I received a, uh, thing in the mail from 9x about free calling plans.
[55:58.950 --> 55:59.310]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right.
[55:59.750 --> 56:05.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, for various options for local calls, uh, local and area regional calls.
[56:06.090 --> 56:06.270]  [SPEAKER_18]: Right.
[56:06.850 --> 56:09.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: Have you, um, any, uh, opinions of those?
[56:09.570 --> 56:12.470]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, they can be very good if, if, if you know how to use them.
[56:12.470 --> 56:22.470]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, if you, if you, uh, you see that, what they do is they look at your phone bill for the past year, and they give you an average of what you spend per month.
[56:22.590 --> 56:30.830]  [SPEAKER_18]: For, they, they take three months, they average that out and they give you a set price for what you spend to call all 212, 718, 914 and 516.
[56:31.150 --> 56:31.270]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[56:31.850 --> 56:36.550]  [SPEAKER_18]: Uh, now if you, if you spend a lot of money, you'll be a lot of money every month.
[56:36.630 --> 56:38.870]  [SPEAKER_18]: If you spend only a little bit, you'll pay a little bit.
[56:38.870 --> 56:48.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: So we found it's to your advantage to find the phone number in your house that you don't use all that much and simply switch your calling pattern to that particular phone number.
[56:48.510 --> 56:52.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: And then you can, say, make unlimited phone calls for as little as $10 a month.
[56:53.190 --> 56:54.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: I only have one line.
[56:54.890 --> 56:57.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, well then you'll have to use whatever the average is on that.
[56:57.770 --> 57:03.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: But you can make a lot more phone calls now without having to worry about cost or time.
[57:03.270 --> 57:04.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, and I have a question.
[57:04.850 --> 57:06.030]  [SPEAKER_09]: What happened to Bernie S?
[57:06.370 --> 57:08.570]  [SPEAKER_18]: Bernie S has a hearing coming up on Friday.
[57:09.310 --> 57:10.830]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so I'll hear about this next week.
[57:10.830 --> 57:11.990]  [SPEAKER_18]: You'll hear about it next week, yes.
[57:12.290 --> 57:12.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, thank you.
[57:13.090 --> 57:13.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, bye-bye.
[57:13.650 --> 57:14.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: Thanks for calling.
[57:14.950 --> 57:18.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, I guess that's just about it for now on this Internet Day of Protest.
[57:19.950 --> 57:21.270]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's protest a way out there.
[57:21.430 --> 57:24.110]  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's give out those 800 numbers one more time to call Congress.
[57:25.530 --> 57:32.170]  [SPEAKER_19]: 800-962-3524 and 800-972-3524.
[57:33.490 --> 57:34.890]  [SPEAKER_18]: Okay, call those numbers.
[57:34.890 --> 57:38.330]  [SPEAKER_18]: You can be connected to any representative, any senator you wish.
[57:38.870 --> 57:39.530]  [SPEAKER_18]: It's that easy.
[57:39.930 --> 57:42.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: Until next week, it's Emmanuel Goldstein for Phiber Optik.
[57:42.490 --> 57:43.210]  [SPEAKER_18]: Have a good night.