give us your suggestions as the topics guests and anything else you want to feedback to we
the people i really appreciate it and um i enjoy doing this we'll keep doing it maybe
we'll be expanding in the coming year happy new year to all of you good night
the future just keeps coming at you and uh what are your final thoughts as the season comes to an end
for us well i the thing i feel badly about is that it went too quickly i don't even remember going
down i don't even remember the fight i got no words to describe the way i'm feeling right now
the fact here has been a little weird something like the media started calling me a hero and then
probably the third round i don't even remember the fight it's kind of overwhelming it's almost like i
get more excited when i reflect back on everything that's happened in a very short period of time
tune in new year's eve at 11 for a shortcut through 1996
and it's just about eight o'clock on new year's eve
we're getting into the spirit of things here time for off the hook
the telephone keeps ringing so i ripped it off the wall
i cut myself while shaving now i can't make a cough
it couldn't get much worse but if i could they would
i hope that fun is good
but i can't believe no
but i can't believe it
but i can see it
Just a little of the feedback Jerry Brown was asking for.
And a very good evening to everybody.
The program is off the hook.
For some reason our tape recorders aren't working properly
and we're getting feedback where we shouldn't be getting feedback.
But that just happens sometimes.
That's a little better, I think.
In any event, it's New Year's Eve
and this is the 1996 retrospective program here on Off the Hook
where we talk about all the things that have happened in 1996.
All the exciting, fun, good, bad things that have taken place.
And speeding towards us right now in a taxi cab is fiber optic.
Let's see if we can actually reach him on his GSM phone.
Which has been giving us some rather strange service recently.
Let's see if we can...
Well, that's not going to work.
That line is bad.
So let's get a better line here.
Okay, we should be able to reach him now.
Somewhere in New York City doing the impossible.
Getting a cab on New Year's Eve.
Yeah, the speedy connection time is just another function of these new GSM phones.
Nothing seems to be happening.
Ah, there we go.
Took about 15 seconds there.
You know, I'm becoming less and less thrilled with these things every day.
Let's try this one more time.
You know, I'm used to phone calls going through on the first attempt.
See what happens.
This is interesting.
Hi, this is Mark.
I'm not around at the moment.
So please leave me a message.
Or you can press the number one at any time to leave me a numeric page.
Thanks.
Well, you know, considering we just talked to him two minutes ago and he said,
call me at this number, I'd have to assume that something went wrong with the phone
and he's out of range on whatever block he happens to be on now.
So we're just going to keep on trying until we find...
Yeah, the only thing I got out was the area code.
Everybody knows what that is anyway.
Hopefully he's gone another block and is back within range now.
Hi, this is Mark.
Oh, apparently not.
I'm not around at the moment, so please...
I don't know.
That's kind of strange.
Okay, we're just going to have to let that sit for a little while.
So, so far, we've had the tape recorder malfunction, so we have no theme music.
The other thing that...
Actually, that's a dat tape thing.
I can't play a tape on there.
Fiber's phone is not working.
So I guess that leaves a continuation of what we were doing last week.
And that was the E-ZPass system.
Now, I've used E-ZPass since last week's show.
That's the little system on the bridges and tunnels where you can pass through tollboost
without having to throw money into machines or, worse yet, deal with human beings.
Well, today I used it, and guess what?
There were more people online at the E-ZPass line than at the cash line.
So I had to wait in line while everybody who didn't have E-ZPass zipped through
and threw cash into the machine.
So I don't know if this system is really working out exactly the way that they originally intended it to.
But in any event, we're going to check with the toll-free number
and see if they fixed it from last week.
Remember last week it said that I had never passed through any tollbooths.
And we all know that's not true.
So let's see if they've fixed it since then.
Thank you for calling the MTA Bridges and Tunnels E-ZPass Service Center.
In celebration of New Year's, the E-ZPass Telephone Service Center is closed until Thursday, January 2nd at 7 a.m.
The walk-in service centers will reopen on Thursday at their regularly scheduled times.
If you're calling from a touch-tone phone, press 1 to use our 24-hour information system
or to report a lost or stolen tag.
If you're calling from a rotary phone, please call again on January 2nd.
If you're an E-ZPass account holder...
I love the way his voice changes.
...information or activate a tag.
Press 1 to request an E-ZPass application.
Press 2 to listen to Staten Island or Rockaway Broad Channel eligibility information.
Press 3 if you need help completing an E-ZPass application.
Press 4 for service center locations, business hours, and mailing addresses,
or the schedule of E-ZPass bridge openings.
Press 5 to report a lost or stolen tag.
Press 6 to repeat these options.
Press 9.
I forgot which one I'm supposed to say.
If you're an E-ZPass account holder...
That's it.
If you are an individual account holder and want to activate a tag, press 1.
If you are an individual account holder and have questions...
I have questions.
Your 7-digit E-ZPass account number appears on the letter sent with your tag
or at the top of your monthly statement.
To obtain account information from our 24-hour information system,
enter your account number and press the pound button.
Okay, this is the part I have to turn down the microphone for
because we don't want my account number getting out there
where people could do all kinds of things.
And we're going to assume that he's repeating the right number.
Okay.
5.
All right.
This is correct.
Press the pound button.
You got at least two numbers there.
This is correct.
Press the...
Please hold while we access your account.
This is so exciting.
I think they have a special flag on my account.
It doesn't usually take this long.
It must be run by the cellular phone people.
Okay.
Well, while they're accessing my account,
I guess we can just sort of talk about other things
because this could take all night, I suppose.
Wow.
It's almost as bad as talking to a human.
Well, speaking of bad experiences talking to humans,
we've had some confusing times with 9X recently
involving a service known as Star 6ix9ine.
Now, supposedly, some people have been getting one mailing
saying that if you press Star 6ix9ine,
you'll get the number said to you.
And other people are getting mailings saying that if you press Star 6ix9ine,
you'll automatically be put through to the phone number
without having anything else said to you.
So, what...
Again, this system is really terrible.
We're going to...
The office is now closed.
Of course.
To speak with a customer service representative,
call between the hours of 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. Monday through Friday.
You know, this system is as bad as it can possibly get.
They put me on hold for two minutes and just tell me that the office is closed
after I ask for automated information.
Well, in any event, so Star 6ix9ine is confusing everybody
because some people seem to be getting voice prompts.
Other people seem to be getting put directly through.
So, nobody really knows what the situation is.
Let's see if we can reach Fiberoptic again.
And perhaps later we can take some phone calls from people
that have had experiences one way or another with Star 6ix9ine.
Sounds like one of the ones that the cellular company has lost.
Hi, this is Mark. I'm not around at the moment.
Well, the company he uses is Omnipoint,
and I cannot say I recommend them at this point in time
because I'd say about 95% of the calls you make to these numbers
fail one way or another.
It certainly seems that way.
Anyway, in other news, we have this just in.
Actually, this came in a couple of days ago,
and it's rather unfortunate news.
It involves Kevin Mitnick.
Apparently, Kevin Mitnick was placed in solitary confinement on Saturday.
He wasn't allowed to call or notify anyone, not even his lawyer,
and there's no date for release from solitary confinement.
And we don't really know what that means exactly,
but it's not good.
Now, supposedly... Oh, here he is.
You know, Fiber, you have the worst phone service in the world.
What happened?
What happened?
Well, let's see.
We have millions of witnesses this time.
You have a working microphone there?
Okay, good.
I hope so.
We called, and the call did not go through.
We called, and we got your voicemail.
Um, your phone does not work.
Sure it works.
No, your phone does not...
You called me.
Every...
I called you once.
Right.
Okay?
Nine times out of ten, we do not get through to this new technology.
Oh, that's not true.
Well...
You want to try right now?
That would be true.
Yeah.
Let's try right now.
Don't touch any secret buttons on there.
I'm not touching anything.
Okay, we're going to...
We're going to try and...
You figure, I was speeding up here in a cab.
That would happen...
That's what most people do when they're on cellular phones.
They're moving.
They're outside.
Yeah, but there's still some...
Some, uh...
Some zones where there's pretty spotty service.
Yeah, like New York City.
No, it's not that bad.
Okay, let's see what happens.
My phone's ringing.
Let's see if we actually get you.
Should I answer the phone?
No, don't answer the phone.
You don't want me to answer the phone?
Okay, it was picking up after one ring and giving you a voice.
Then I had to be out of, uh...
What kind of stupid ring is that anyway?
Well, I could set the ring to whatever I want to.
Set it to something a little bit more, I don't know, Baroque?
Can you do that?
Um...
Okay.
Well, in any event, we're glad you finally made it.
Yeah.
Getting a cab on New Year's Eve, that's something...
Actually, it wasn't that hard.
I just couldn't see where I was, because I was cutting across town.
Uh-huh.
And, um, we're going rather fast.
I was in the Empire State Building tonight.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know why, I just was sort of...
It just happened that way?
I stumbled into it, yeah.
Yeah.
And, uh, it's, it's...
You can see everything up there.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
That's what I hear.
It's quite something.
Uh, you know anything about the Star 6ix9ine fiasco, where some people get it and some
people don't?
Uh, well, I don't get it, because I have ISDN.
You don't get it on ISDN.
Well, no, I'm...
Okay, you don't get Star 6ix9ine at all, but I'm saying for the people that get Star 6ix9ine,
some of them are getting recordings saying that, uh, that this is the number that called
you last.
Other people are just getting put right through.
And now 9X is mailing out contradictory, uh, things to different people.
Really?
This just came out saying that, uh, that all you have to do is press Star 6ix9ine, you're
connected immediately.
It doesn't say anything about the number being spoken to you.
Someone else brought in a mail in the other day saying that, uh, it was the exact opposite.
Now...
I don't think their left hand knows what their right hand is doing.
I thought the deal was supposed to be, it was supposed to tell you the number of the person
who last called you and optionally give you the opportunity to connect to that person.
That is, that is what I understood as well, but then I went and I tried it myself, and
it just, I wound up calling somebody back.
I didn't want to call back.
Yeah.
So, so I, I sort of fell into that trap.
Um, I, I think it's, it's, I think they announced it prematurely.
I think they might have, yeah.
Although I, I hear it's working in some places.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, we just tried the, um, the E-ZPass system again, and, uh, and their computers are even
more messed up than they were last week.
Really?
They, they, they, they tried to access our account, put us on hold for about two minutes and said,
Wait, which one is this?
Because I wasn't here on Christmas Eve.
Uh, that was where we tried to find out what the story was with, with, uh, with my passing
through tunnels and bridges and things like that.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
And, uh, last week they said I didn't pass through any tunnels and bridges, which is
wrong.
I did.
And this week they just, they put me on hold while they were looking up my account information
and then came back after a long time and said, the office is closed, which I knew.
That's why I was accessing the 24-hour, you know, automated thing.
So, I don't know, they're, they're as messed up as, as your phone company over there is.
Um, and don't try denying it either, because we were here, and we did it, and we have it
on tape, and not everybody in New York City has heard it.
I believe you.
We tried calling you, and it did not work.
I, I believe you.
Yeah.
Actually, there was a dark zone when we were, uh, we were cutting across, I think it was
19th Street.
Uh-huh.
Uh, my signal went away.
Uh-huh.
But, uh, otherwise it seemed to be coming in pretty strong.
I was holding the phone in my hand so I could see what the signal strength was.
We tried, we tried three different times over the space of, I'd say, what, 10 minutes?
Yeah.
Each time.
Each time we got your voicemail.
I don't know.
How about this?
An easy, convenient, worry-free way to pay you a 9X telephone bill.
Maybe you should look into that, since you have such large phone bills.
Who was that?
That's not me, and you're not answering it now.
No, they went away right away.
That's weird.
Maybe, maybe it's me from the past.
9X direct payment option.
An easy, convenient, worry-free way to pay your 9X telephone bill.
You don't even see your bill.
It just goes right into their account.
Really?
Isn't that nice?
Oh.
Now.
Like a direct deposit bill.
Exactly.
Now, you still have a problem.
Only the opposite.
You still have a problem with your ISDN bill, don't you?
Oh, yeah.
There's, uh.
They're billing you for business rates.
Yeah, a little problem with that.
Well, no, they gave you credit, didn't they?
They gave me credit, but they continued billing me for business rates, even after they gave
me credit for the business calls.
The left hand, not knowing what the right hand is doing.
I'm telling you.
That's what 9X is all about.
There's something along those lines.
Yeah.
So, we were talking about Kevin Mitnick.
You've heard about this, haven't you?
Yeah, actually, I heard you in the hallway.
Uh-huh.
Well, I don't know what I'm doing out there.
I'm in here.
But, um, yes, uh, Kevin was put in solitary, uh, and apparently, and this is, this is really
what, uh, kind of ticks me off about this, apparently one of the major reasons was that
he had copies of 2600 in his cell, which, uh, you know, we've been sending him from the
beginning.
We've, he's always been interested in what's been going on in the hacker world because a
lot of articles are about him or about people like Bernie S. And, uh, you know, that's
what, that's what prison screening things are for.
If, if something is coming in that they feel is unsuitable, they don't give it to you.
Well, what's the segregation supposed to do?
Is it supposed to protect him from the reading material?
I don't know if the reading material is being protected or he's being protected or the rest
of us are being protected, but I think this is, this is really getting crazy.
There's no reason for this person to be in prison.
There is no reason.
He's been in there almost two years now.
And, you know, what are we talking, we've been saying this from the very beginning.
What is it that he has done, you know?
What, what, what is the big major thing that makes him be put in prison longer than most hardened
criminals are?
Yeah, it's, uh, it's totally crazy.
So we're going to be, uh, asking some serious questions about that.
We're going to be following this, um, getting, uh, getting to the heart of the matter one
way or another.
And any input that people have is, is, is most welcome.
Uh, so 1996, we're doing, uh, our retrospective.
Retrospective.
What do you have for 1996?
What is...
Oh, boy.
Um, it's the year of, uh, insanity.
Well, yeah, it's the year of, well, the year of Kevin, the year of, uh, Bernie S, the year
of, uh, shoddy ISDN service.
Yeah, yeah.
It's been, uh, quite a year.
I, I think that ultimately what's going to happen is that they're going to get the whole
ISDN ordering process completely streamlined just in time for it to be totally outmoded by
some new service.
Yeah, that's probably true.
It probably is.
Go the way of, uh, IntelliDial, one of those other great 9x services that, that no one's
heard of.
Uh, this was also the year of the web hack.
That's, that's true.
The web hack.
I've never seen so many websites get hacked over the past month or so.
Uh, just, um, a couple of days ago, the Air Force.
Yep.
Did you see this one?
Yeah, sure.
Imagine, imagine the horror of the Air Force waking up on Sunday morning and seeing something
on their webpage saying, you can learn all about government corruption here, learn
the secrets that they don't want you to know.
And it goes on.
Well, not to mention the little pornographic movie.
Yeah, the little picture there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was something.
That was something.
And, oh boy.
Uh, well, if, if people want to see it and we should warn you, shield your children or
senior citizens or whatever, you know, whoever might be offended by this kind of material
because they are like, you know, it's governmental stuff.
Uh, uh, you can connect to our website, www.2600.com and you'll see something there about
the Air Force being hacked and that's what the page looks like.
Uncensored.
Uninterrupted.
And, and yeah, I, I guess they're probably kind of upset at this one because I mean.
I would think so, yeah.
This was, um, the Department of Justice earlier this year turned into the Department of Injustice.
The CIA was hacked by the Swedish hackers.
The Labor Party was hacked by the English hackers over in England.
And now the Air Force.
I just, I get the feeling that the Air Force doesn't take kindly to this kind of thing.
But I mean, what is it?
Aren't these people listening or are, are, are hackers coming up with new holes?
What's up?
Why is it so good?
They're just, they're just, they're just not listening.
They're not listening.
No.
I don't think it has, uh, it's, it's, uh, same old thing.
Uh-huh.
I mean, uh, you're aware of what it takes to take over a website.
Well, I know that when you have files that are writable by www, that's not a good thing.
Well, or by, by, uh, whatever user owns the, the pages, yeah.
Right.
But I mean, ultimately, for anybody listening that doesn't really understand, uh, a website
is just run on a machine connected to the internet, just like any other Unix server connected
to the internet.
If somebody gains, uh, privileges on that machine, then they can modify files that make up the
website just like they can modify any other file.
Uh-huh.
So it's a relatively straightforward thing to do.
Obviously, the person can gain a lot of attention.
And, uh, isn't it true that, uh, either, we don't know whether it was the person who
actually did it, but weren't people calling the media, claiming responsibility?
Well, a lot of, this is the one that apparently the PR machine really worked for the hackers
on this one because all the media were contacted.
Yeah.
And I must have gotten about 25 different people sending me copies of the website this time.
As opposed to, there was a, there was an anti-fur activist who took over a fur company.
Right.
And I was only able to get one copy of that.
So, uh, this is definitely something that was a lot better publicized.
I don't know if that's a good thing because that means, um, they'll be all the more angry
about it.
The odd thing about this particular instance is that numerous people were emailed minutes
after the person did this by the person themselves from the actual Air Force website.
That's true.
That's true.
We got mail from AF.mil.
I was one of the people that, that, uh, got email moments after, uh, this person did this
thing.
Uh-huh.
And I understand quite a number of people did.
I don't know how this, what this person based, uh, selection on.
Uh-huh.
Of, you know, who he decided to send this mail to.
Well, it's nice to be included, I guess.
I suppose.
Take action like this, you know, because you do want the word to get out one way or another.
And, uh, it's, uh, you know, I, I still don't think this is a bad thing necessarily.
I mean, it's easily fixed, all right?
All you have to do is, most times the hackers don't destroy the, the page that's already there.
Uh, and, you know, if they do, the simple backup would, would fix that very easily.
But, um, you know, uh, security, it's all you need.
It's all you need to do is impose a little bit of security on your system and this won't
happen.
Yeah.
Uh, I, I, I think it's, it's really embarrassing for the Air Force.
Of course.
It's, it's gotta be.
Especially after all this time.
Yeah.
And it's not, it's not like, um, you know, some, some, uh, you know, department of the
Air Force.
It's the Air Force.
Right.
A-F dot M-I-L.
You know, you don't get any more closer to the top than that.
Right.
This is, this is Milnet.
Right.
This is almost like doing whitehouse.gov.
Yeah.
Which no one's done yet, I don't think.
That's next.
That's next.
Yeah.
These, these are the people basically that could protect secrets about space aliens.
Uh-huh.
They can't protect their own website.
You have to wonder.
And, and the funny thing is, on this website, they did have some Area 51 links.
Yeah.
They put links in there to all the things that the government is supposedly hiding.
So, all these people, you know, uh, but what kind of people connect to the Air Force, uh,
website?
Um.
Who would do that?
I don't know.
Grandpa showing his kid on a Sunday morning, you know, this is, this is what the Air Force
is all about, son.
Yeah.
And, all of a sudden, you see all this stuff that you never would think to see there.
Or you'd never want to see.
But the reason, the other reason I think that, uh, this is kind of, kind of clever is
that, you know, like I said before, you're using the, the supposed enemy to transmit your
message.
You're using their means.
You know, and they, they obviously have much greater means than we do.
So, it's almost like writing a note that says, kick me, and taping it on someone's
back.
Uh-huh.
Someone in authority.
That's true.
That's true.
Yeah, I could probably think of a few more analogies than that.
But, uh, it's, it's, it's interesting.
So, I don't know what they're going to do to the people when they find them, and I'm
sure they will find them at some point.
Probably shoot them.
They seem pretty, yeah, well, they're going to do something.
We'll, we'll follow this story as well.
Uh, I don't know if you heard about this one.
Security professionals have condemned the release of a powerful password cracker.
Now, it's not, it's not a, it's not a person.
A person or a program?
It's not a person.
Okay, it's a program.
It's the world's most powerful password cracker.
It was released over the internet this Christmas.
Oh, boy.
Bringing, and I'm, I'm reading from, uh, from the Telegraph, which is, uh, an English
British paper, yeah.
National paper, yeah.
Uh, and, and not the greatest of them either.
Um, bringing the wrath of Britain's computer security professionals down on the head of its
Oxford-based author, Alec Muffet.
You know that name?
Um, off the top of my head, I can't say anything.
A network security specialist made Crack5, a large suite of programs capable of generating
near-infinite numbers of passwords available on the World Wide Web just before Christmas
and has already drawn more than 1,500 hits on his site.
Password cracker programs allow hackers to attack the most common form of security.
The most basic and crude form of password cracking is to work through every possible
combination of letters and numbers.
However, most passwords are actual words, which massively reduce the amount of work
and increases the chance of a successful hack.
Although the program is intended to help system administrators improve their password security
and find flaws in their own procedures, earlier versions of Crack have become a standard weapon
in the hacker's arsenal, allowing easy access to poorly guarded systems.
Now, I don't really see anything in here that says why Crack5 is different than, than,
than Crack.
But, uh, I mean, Crack has been around for a long time.
Everybody uses Crack.
Yeah, everybody should use Crack.
That came out wrong.
No, it's not what I meant to say, but every hacker uses that computer program.
Every hacker uses Crack.
Known as Crack, yes.
And the feds know this.
Uh, yes, they do.
In fact, some of the feds use it, too.
Yeah.
Um, anyway.
It's lower on drugs.
According to Muffet, the people who gain the most by applying Crack aren't the big companies
who have security budgets.
They're the small, internet-connected companies or laboratories who need something simple and
free to keep themselves secure.
So, uh, we seem to have, uh, Crack, uh, Smoker in the studio with us.
Really?
You know anything about Crack?
Yes.
Uh, one of the benefits of this new version of Crack is more variants of the passwords.
This also makes more changes in, in the words and makes more attempts and is easier to program
in new variants.
But the thing is, if you're, if you're using shadow passwording, you still can't get around
that.
Yeah, if you cannot access the passwords themselves, the encrypted passwords, then this program
is useless.
And since that's pretty much a solution that's been around for, you know, a few years now.
Nine out of ten times you can't access decipher text passwords.
Right.
And, uh, I mean, uh, for system administrators who are concerned about this kind of thing,
as long as you keep that file protected and you don't give out root to everybody, then
you should be okay, right?
Well, yeah.
Unless, unless you're running, uh, an operating system like, uh, I don't know, Linux, for
example, which still ships with, uh, no shadow passwords as, uh, as default, you have to
actually close.
You know, that thing is annoying.
That really is annoying.
And there are a number of people that, that know that this is a potential weapon and yet
still refuse to utilize, uh, uh, shadow passwords on their system.
Just as we were just talking about airforce.mil, that, you know, they know about the holes and
they don't patch them.
Well, then, then there's, uh, those, those percentage of people that use, uh, yellow pages,
NIS, on, uh, on wide area, uh, networks.
And it's, there's a number of, uh, cracking utilities that are, uh, floating around and
have been for some time that do things like, um, forging RPC calls in order to gain access
to, uh, password maps from, uh, from yellow pages master servers and guessing yellow pages
domain names and things of that sort.
And, uh, people think that they're actually securing their site by centrally locating a
large password database for their entire domain and, you know, putting all kinds of firewalls
and nonsense on that one server and concentrating all the security.
But, uh, when in reality, unbeknownst to them, they're actually making all the passwords
conveniently located in one central location for someone to attack and gain access to an entire
domain simply by hitting one machine instead of the entire enterprise-wide network.
Right, right.
So it's a way of getting around whatever security has been installed.
Yeah, it's actually working against them when they think it's working in their favor.
Well, it's not the first time we've heard that.
Here's something that, uh, just came in.
There's a lost dog on the web.
Did you hear about this?
I don't know.
Uh, Boris has been missing since December 24th.
He's somewhere in the borough of Queens, and he's on www.woofs.org, w-o-o-f-s dot org.
There's a description of him, uh, um, actually, it's, it's, it's a website that advocates for
cats and dogs.
I don't know exactly what that means.
I guess cats and, and dogs rights or something like that.
Uh, and it's, it's, uh, they've got a description of Boris on the internet, and, um, if you've
seen Boris, I guess you can connect to that site and see if he matches whatever description
there is over, over there.
So, let's see if the web can help find this, this dog that's running around somewhere in
Queens.
He, he bolted from LaGuardia Airport on Christmas Eve.
Hmm.
What do you think about that?
He's a four-year-old boxer mix.
Running around somewhere in the terminals there.
Poor guy.
Yeah.
Our phone number is 212-279-3400.
Uh, you got your noisemakers?
Uh, no, actually.
Oh.
I can make noises with my phone.
That's true.
Yeah, we can have a grand all-time here.
This, um, crazy, uh, how many different rings do you have?
Um, I got, uh, oh, I don't know, maybe, uh, five or six different little tunes and then
different variations of just rings.
Uh-huh.
Like typical ringing sounds.
I, I, you know, I like that better.
I like the typical ringing sound.
I like the typical beeping sounds on beepers.
I like the, the ringing sounds on phones.
I like those little symphonies and, and tiny little songs.
I like it as, uh, just as a change of pace.
Gets to be different.
Pretty old, pretty fast.
Okay.
Memphis, Tennessee.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Oh, you're calling from Memphis, Tennessee?
No, I just, I just like to say that, actually, because I'm sort of pretending it's a national
show, you know, and I just like to say the name of the city and hopefully somebody
from that city will be calling, but it's okay if I, if we get you.
Well, good.
I'm, I'm interested.
Um, the thing is, I can't stand the intro to, uh, the, um, 9X.
Welcome to the world of 9X.
Ah.
You know that?
It's really disgusting.
Welcome to the world of 9X.
No, I haven't heard that one.
Well, I mean, when you call in for, uh, information, uh, 411, it used to be they'd say, hello, information,
or they'd say, you know, what number.
Well, it used to be you got a person.
Yeah, well, yeah, now you, you get a, a recording, and then you get a person.
And, you know, it takes so much longer to get a number from information now, because you
have to say the number, then they have to repeat the number, ring somebody someplace,
and, and, and, and then they, they give you the number finally.
Used to be you could just call, ask, get it, and that's it.
Well, that's what I'm kind of complaining about.
There's like a delay.
And then they ask you, uh, would you like it to be rung, uh, you know, um, automatically,
just say yes, or.
And they say that before they give you the number.
For an additional charge of so-and-so, the number we're about to give you can be done.
All you have to do is press one after we give you the number, which will be soon.
Well, I just can't stand that whole idea that people are so, uh, you know, no longer able
to handle it themselves.
I mean, uh, of course there are people with money, and if they're doing it for a company,
they, they can do it.
I'm interested in your attitude.
If, if, for instance, you were, uh, let's say working for the, um, the government or,
uh, you, you know, uh, any, any firm or anything, if you had your own business, how would you
feel about, uh, somebody hacking into you?
Uh, well, I, let, let's look at this at a level that's more realistic.
Let's look at someone hacking into us, you know, 2600.com.
Oh, into your, uh, magazine.
Yeah, because I cannot conceive of what it's like to be a big bureaucratic governmental agency,
you know.
Well, I'm not, I'm not talking about the, uh, bureaucratic aspect.
I'm talking about the, uh, shall we say safety aspect of, uh, of, um, the, uh, uh, of, uh,
the, um, the movement of information, uh, uh, somebody tells somebody, say, oh, you know,
I hacked in here, and, uh, I found out that there is, I found out that there is that, and
which, uh, you know, could then fall into the third and fourth, fifth party.
Well, the thing is, the thing is, the thing is, if you are a governmental agency out there
and you're on the internet, the most important thing is to realize that anything that you
do on the net that's not encrypted can be read by somebody at some point, and with that
knowledge, I think you, you won't put as many, uh, really, uh, really, yeah, really vital
things out there.
Yeah, but I'm not talking about the internet.
I mean, you know, it's easy to say what you just said.
I'm talking about anybody using computer, uh, equipment, uh, that involves electricity,
you might say, uh, you know, I mean, that's what I think, uh, your friend, uh, uh, you
know, who's in prison, I mean, I think that that's what the problem is, that they feel that
it, did he do, just do internet, or did he do, uh, uh, you know.
You're talking about Kevin Mitnick.
Yeah, any of these people, uh, did they do, uh, uh, direct into some, uh, uh, you know,
non-internet, I mean, after all, the internet is theoretically accessible to, uh, to, uh,
I mean, it's supposed to be between, you know, society and other groups and all that, you
know.
Well, they've been very hazy on what they're accusing him of, of actually doing, and I don't,
I don't recall anything being said of him hacking into something off the internet, or,
or...
Well, I'm not, I'm saying, uh, other than the internet, I mean, that's why I said your own
business, I mean, I didn't mean a business that might be on internet, I mean a business,
period.
Um, the thing is, I mean, if you, if you keep, uh, some sort of security, uh, there,
uh, then you don't have to worry about this kind of thing, and if you do get broken into,
you know about it pretty quickly, and you can assess the damage and move on from there.
All right, now, I'm glad you used the word damage.
You know, each one of us has a reputation, and I know from personal experience, that, uh,
if somebody says something on the air, let's say, uh, make some kind of remark about you,
uh, you know, uh, in passing. Now, um, the other day, David Rothenberg made a comment about me
on the air, and I called in, and I said, David, equal time. Let me ask you a question. Do you
believe in equal time?
Yes, I do, and, uh, unfortunately, though, we can't address that issue right now, because it's
got to do with another show, you gotta, uh, you know, address that on this show, and I also,
I don't mean to cut you off, but we have somebody who's calling in right now, who, uh, we really
want to talk to, and, uh, is that mystery person on the phone? Who is that mystery person? Well,
well, well, look who it is. Bernie S. Bernie S. It's been a while since we heard from you. It
has. I've been, uh, I've been in the healing process. Yeah, you sound much better. I am much
better. I guess you can, you can open your mouth fully now. Well, not fully. I can open it about,
uh, two-thirds. It's still difficult for me to, uh, yesterday I was eating a donut, and I realized
that I couldn't open my mouth to encompass the whole width of the donut. Uh-huh. I had to sort
of squeeze it to force it in my mouth. So, I, it's tough eating apples and things like that, but, uh,
hey, at least I don't have to, uh, be on a liquid diet anymore. Right, right. So, uh, how has the,
the recovery process been going since you were released from prison, which was, what, a couple
of months ago now? Uh, yeah, it was, uh, late September. Mm-hmm. Um, physically it's going pretty well,
uh, and mentally it's, and emotionally and psychologically and all that. It's, it's going.
I've been immersing myself in, in work. I work for an internet service provider in Wilmington,
Delaware now as a systems analyst. Uh-huh. And, uh, spending many hours working at that job,
so it's, uh, keeps me, uh, keeping from thinking about events over the past year, which are best not
thought too much about. Right. Even though we are doing a retrospective show tonight in 1996,
I, I certainly understand what you're, what you're saying. Someone called me to say you were doing
that, so I thought I'd do, I'd give you a call. Uh-huh. Well, great. Uh, you can stay on the line
if you want and, uh, and take some phone calls with us. Sure. Would you like to do that? That'd be
great. Um, I wanted to wish everyone and, uh, especially everyone who has, uh, taken an interest
in my case over the past year or so a very happy new year. And, uh, yes. And, you know, we want to
thank the BAI listeners for helping to, to get you released. We very think a lot of, a lot of the phone
calls and a lot of the attention that was drawn by our listeners did a lot of good. So do I. And, uh,
I owe everyone a debt of gratitude. I would, I may still be behind bars or not for, uh, all their
phone calls. Yeah. You heard what happened with, uh, Kevin Mitnick. I read that on the internet just
yesterday. Uh-huh. And, uh, in fact, the person who's put up a webpage for him, I, uh, wrote that
person and, uh, described some similar situations that happened to me. I, I too had encountered three
or four situations where I was, uh, punished for possessing reading materials that had been mailed to me
and, and given the stamp of approval by the prison, uh, mail censors, yet I was still punished for having
materials that they approved as being okay. So go figure. Yeah. It's, it's a typical case of, in those
situations, the mismanagement is so rife that one person doesn't know what the other is doing and
everybody wants to be the boss. And as a result, um, you end up with these misunderstandings.
Well, at least, uh, at least word is getting out. At least, uh, sounds like a bit of, uh,
merrymaking. It's a New Year's Eve party. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it is New Year's Eve, so I guess, uh,
I guess we could expect that. I'm, uh, calling from Philadelphia. Uh-huh. Well, uh, now, you know,
at least we have word getting out about Kevin in this particular case. We don't know as much about
his case as we do about yours, but maybe this will be the first step towards getting more information
and actually doing something to help. Has anyone found out for certain whether he is
being held in what's called the hole or not? I don't know if it's necessarily the hole. I know
it's solitary. That has been confirmed. Okay. So I'm not sure if solitary means necessarily the
hole. I imagine it did in your place. Well, there's, there's two ways of being in, in, in solitary.
If there's, there's the hole, which is where you're sent for punishment. It's a, it's a single cell,
uh, and you have very limited privileges. You can't go outside, et cetera, et cetera. Um,
only allowed out for a shower and very brief exercise, not outside though, just in a concrete
room. Uh, no, uh, television, radio, reading materials, that sort of thing. I don't know if
that's the situation he's in. I hope not. The other, uh, situation is you can be put in just
to a single cell by yourself for protection, but I never requested that. Um, that's generally
reserved for people who, uh, don't get along with other prisoners. And I never had that
problem. Fiber, you were in the hole, weren't you? And when you first arrived, yeah, where
I was, uh, the two things that, uh, Bernie, yes, are describing were one in the same. Uh-huh.
Hello, Fiber. The hole was the hole. Yeah. Yeah. Solitary was the hole. There was the same
thing. Hmm. Well, let's take some phone calls. Uh, 212-279-3400 is our phone number. And, uh,
on this new year's Eve, let's see what people are up to, what 1996 has meant to you. And good
evening. You're on the air. Hey, what's up? This is Gono. Um, how you doing?
All right. Um, happy new year, guys. Happy new year. Um, I was talking to someone about
like the Air Force site. Uh-huh. And I noticed that the, uh, www.airforce.mail doesn't have
a security administrator. They have just like some guy that does the website. And even though
they were hacked, like just the other day, their service still, well, someone told me that
their service still has like all their default passwords. There was no attempt like to secure
the system in any way. So maybe that should tell you a little bit about the military.
Well, you know, I, I think, uh, seeing as how there's a lot of, um, a lot of press on this,
maybe it's time to show them firsthand and say, look, they don't care, you know, and here's
proof of it. Yeah, exactly.
Because, uh, I, I know the story has gotten their attention now and maybe this can be
shown as, as hackers doing something a little bit positive saying, you know, there is no
security. Look, and, and since they're aware of the situation already, they just might actually
listen to what we have to say.
Maybe you guys should, uh, like hold a press conference, like, uh, and have the topic, um,
like breaching government security. Uh-huh.
I think that'd be interesting.
Yeah. Or, you know, government security does not exist. When you consider, this is the
air force. These are the people that are supposed to be protecting us. You know, if they can't
protect their computers, how good a job are they doing at protecting other things?
Yeah. Oh yeah. I heard something else. Something about, uh, in the year 2000, like all the computers
were going to freak out and shit. Did you hear anything about that?
That I, I, I, I do not know. I do not know, but we'll have to, we'll have to, we'll have
to keep looking out for that. Thanks for calling. Good evening. You're on the air.
Hi, Manuel, guys. Hi. What's up? Happy New Year.
Happy New Year to you. Oh, I think I know what that guy was talking about. Um, it's the double
zero in the year 2000. Yeah, but I think most of that has been fixed.
No. No? No. No? Well, come on. It's only, it's only two years away now, you know, three
years, whatever. We're going to win. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm looking forward to that. I'm
looking forward to that a lot. I was just curious, is Bernie S going to counter sue or somehow
file suit against Pennsylvania? Well, there's, there's, can, can people hear
me? Yes, go ahead. Okay. Uh, counter sue would imply
that I had already been sued. I had no, I haven't been sued, but, uh, I have two lawyers,
uh, a civil and a criminal lawyer looking into that. Unfortunately, unfortunately those
cases take an awful lot of time and, and resources. Um, the one lawyer, you're going to turn down
your radio, whoever has the radio up. We're getting, we're getting feedback. The one lawyer
thinks there's a case. The other one thinks there isn't a case. So, um, I'm still pursuing
it. Um, but if there's going to be any end to it, it will be years. The other problem
is just thinking about the whole situation is pretty traumatic for me. I don't want to,
I don't want to have to devote any more emotional energy to the whole, but I mean, your civil
liberties are brutalized virtually by. Yeah. Uh, but it's, you know, it's just very exhausting
devoting mental energy to the whole thing over again, just bringing it up again. I hope
that fades with time so I could, I could work on it. But right now I just, it just, I just
don't want to think about it. Oh, I, I totally understand that. But hopefully there are people
out there that, that do want to think about it and are willing to put some time and effort
into this because I do think you have a good case.
Oh, the, the, uh, the problem lies in, uh, uh, my being transferred from a, from a minimum
security facility to a maximum security facility without cause, um, as a punitive measure against
my following, uh, grievance against the superintendent of the institution for a disciplinary action
as a result of reporter sending me a fax. And, uh, there was just no, no cause for sending
me to a, uh, a violent maximum security facility when I was, uh, already eligible for parole and
had no, no misconducts or nothing that involved, uh, violence at all. So it's, uh, like, like I
said, one lawyer thinks there's a case, the other thinks there is no case and, uh, they're
still talking.
Oh, thanks for the call.
All right. Happy New Year, you guys.
Take care.
Thanks.
See you.
Good evening. You're on the air.
Oh, hi. Um, uh, Happy New Year.
Happy New Year.
And I want to, um, you talked about crack. I'm a webmaster at an internet service provider
in Massachusetts. And, and, you know, this is the first time I really ever heard about crack.
And, and I, I'd like to know, um, is there any place on, uh, a URL you can give me if
I can get information about crack?
Yeah. Everywhere.
Well, what, what, what you do is you do an AltaVista search and that's probably the quickest
way to get the information. You know how to do that?
Yeah, of course. No problem.
Okay. And that's, you know, look for maybe crack 5.0 or whatever.
Oh, crack space 5.0?
Uh, probably.
5.1?
Yeah. Or just, uh, you know, any variation. I mean, you'll, you'll find all kinds of things.
Where's it coming from? UK?
Okay. Uh, that was, I was coming from the UK, that particular version of it. I guess
that's, that's where all of them came from.
So, like, the main, main homepage would be in the UK?
Probably someplace, yeah. Probably someplace over there. That would be a good, a good clue.
Although it might be mirrored someplace else.
Yeah.
All right?
Thank you.
All right. Take care.
Austin, Texas. Good evening. You're on the air.
Oh, hi. I really thank you very much for taking my call.
Okay.
To Bernice.
I have to thank you very much. I think we spoke one time when you were inside that, uh,
through you. I heard the name of Kenny Trujillo, and I, um...
Oh, yes.
I contacted somebody that was, um, there, and yesterday, as a matter of fact, was the position,
and the person did get one-third. From our point of view, we really think it was unjustified,
so they're going to appeal it, but he's an incredibly good lawyer. And if anything,
I have to thank you that by listening to you, I heard his name, and he was able to work for
this guy.
You know, uh, uh, Ken Trujillo thanked me for, uh, for, for that reference, he said.
I tell you, he's an incredible guy. And if anybody's out there and needs him, that guy's
in Philadelphia. What a fantastic mind and behavior. What a good lawyer. God, there should
be more of him.
Yeah, well, here's a situation where, uh, uh, Ken was a, is a former federal prosecutor.
Oh.
I don't know if you're aware of that.
No, no, no.
He served as, uh, as a lead prosecutor in the third, uh, U.S. District Court, a federal
court in Philadelphia. And, uh, he established quite a name for himself, and then, uh, he had
a change of, uh, change of attitude. He explained to me that he'd seen things the government was
doing that he just, he just couldn't stomach, uh, participating in. And he, uh, said he
saw the light. And, uh, so now he's acting as a defense attorney.
Yeah, and he's really good and conscientious and thoughtful and caring because I tell you
in this family, it was not a lot of money, you know? But this kid got caught in stupidities
and, of course, he's going to be, regrettably, he's going to spend actually really seven years
of his life, whatever the toll. But he was looking at 30. So it was.
Because the other lawyers that he had, that's what they were going to give him. And, oddly
enough, I heard you say that, that you had heard that had not worked in for you, but
you had got changed lawyers. And this guy, Kenny Trujillo from Philadelphia.
What is, I, uh, probably meeting with, uh, with Ken next week. What is your name?
Luz Garcia.
Luz Garcia. Okay, I'll mention that.
Yeah, I'm, I'm Pandora's grandmother.
Okay, I'll, I'll mention that.
And, and actually the guy, you know, I wondered, I, I remember you calling in, um,
earlier this year.
Yeah, he was still inside. And, and I said to you that, you know, I have heard, and they
had come, but yesterday, like I tell you, and he really worked hard at it. It was not an
easy case, but I tell you, the federal government is something else. It's incredible. And no
matter what, they just want you in for the longest period of time.
And it's very difficult to make other people understand how they work until you've gone
through it.
Yeah, and this guy really was a good, productive person, you know, good, productive person,
good mind. I mean, and he, he, the computer person, just like you guys. I tell you, but
it is, it is fearful. It is fearsome what, the, the way, the attitude, and they come, and
you know, they have all the tools. They really do. And, and people who are the other end
have very little. And I'm really glad that I heard about it.
The most frustrating, one of the most frustrating things is trying to convince other people
that the government really works this way. And you don't want to believe it because it's
so dastardly. Like, it couldn't really be that bad. And I, I was naive. I was a pretty,
I was a skeptical person and not pro-government before all this happened.
Well, we've all been trained by the same book learning.
I was very naive when I saw what the kind of stuff they pull. Unless someone goes through
an experience like, um, where you're, well, don't forget that we keep saying that this
is the land of the brave and the home of the free. So we won't, we get to a season. We
believe it. Well, I'm glad, uh, well, I'm, I'm in one way I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm upset that
your friend has to do as much time as, as he will, but, um, I guess it could have been
a lot worse. Yeah, he could have. So thank you very much. Best of luck to you. Thanks very
much for listening and sharing that with us. Okay. Bye-bye. Take care. That's really something
that something like that came out of, of hearing you calling in from prison. Yep. It goes to
show the effect that, uh, that listeners have on each other at this place. So, um, that's,
that's really something. Um, okay. Let's take another phone. I'm just saying names of cities
at random just to show people that we could do a national show if we ever did go national.
You know, we've got that part of it down. All right, watch this. Fairbanks, Alaska. Go
ahead. See, I did that good, didn't I? Go ahead. You're on the air. Okay. Well, you're
on the air then. Stupid Alaskans. Good evening. You're on the air. Hey, how you
doing? Okay. Well, flying without a net. No delay. Yeah. Anyway, I wanted to tell
you, um, you know, it would be great if you guys could have a screener because, uh, it's
tough fighting 9X with these lovely timeouts that they have. Well, yeah, that's true.
We, we, we would wind up putting everybody on hold then. You'd wind up paying for the phone
call, but no. I don't mind. No guarantee that you get on the air. Oh, but then you couldn't
go national. That's right. Nice. Because I never want to be playing long distance
charges. That's true, too. Okay. Anyway. We'd have to get an 800 number. We'd go broke.
Um, terrific. Uh, uh, Bernie, yes. I, I can't help but say that. I think I speak for everyone
when we say that the wonderful turn of events, uh, although what precipitated obviously wasn't
what you expected. It was a big blessing, but I'm, I'm thankful that it worked out in my
getting out at least. Terrific. Um, the only other thing is, um, 9X is, uh, just keeps
rolling along with this ISDN deal. You know, if you want call offering and, uh, all these
other nice packages, you have to, you have to pay a lot of money. You have to pay business
rates. Don't they, don't they understand that people are. That's not true at all. That's
not true? No, that's not true in the least. I've had all those features for quite some
time. Yeah. Well, how much does it cost you to sign up for it? Um, but it costs me about
$2.50 a month. Exactly. And I, and I can't complain either, but let's say I was, I was, I guess,
a little, uh, delinquent in it. And so far as I asked 9X to say, well, you know, I want
additional call offerings. All right, I'll give it to you for $16 installation. All right.
Next time I called, uh, I want a three-way calling. They said that would be $30 more.
No, that's, that's not true. Oh yeah. I call, I, you know what? No one knew what the tariffs
were and I had to call them, uh, Boston because the only person who knew about it was in Boston
who knew about the Northeastern region. I don't know if they've changed it recently, but
they said that if I wanted the call offering, call waiting and three-way calling, um,
excuse me, call offering, which is call waiting, three-way calling. And, uh, the other one
was call forwarding that I wanted to ask about. They said it would cost me a whopping $72
for installation. It would only cost me $2 per se each feature each month, but it would
cost me a whopping $72 to install all three of them at the same time.
That sounds like a scam that, uh, if that is true, what I would do is call again, totally,
uh, you know, somebody else. Yeah. And see if you get the same numbers. If you get even
the slightest variation and you know, they don't know what they're talking about.
What are you talking to at 9X?
It was, oh, I can't remember her name. Carol somebody.
Well, no, no. I don't think we mean who.
Yeah. What, what office are you talking to?
Oh, no, this is the, uh, ISDN office. She was very nice. She was apologizing profusely
about how horribly incompetent most of the people were regarding ISDN. She looked like she
knew what she was talking about. She said, these are the tariff rates in New York State.
The only thing is, did you have to pay $16 outright for the, your call offering?
There, there was, I had a one-time installation fee.
Yeah, $16. Yeah, right. But that's, that's true of most any. I understand, but I don't
understand why if I wanted two additional features, they'd each cost $30 each, which
I don't understand. I didn't pay any of those things. No, that's, that's not standard for
9X on, on any type of service. They, they charge you a $16 installation fee and you can
get more than one thing for that $16. Sure. Well, listen, the other thing is that. I mean,
they're in the business for selling these things and they're not going to sell any of them
if they have, you know, outrageous rates like that. Oh, I understand. Well, geez, tell
them about it. Look, you know what the funny thing is, when I first got it installed,
they charged me double for every single item. In other words, the premises, which no one
did. They just switched it from the central office and they still charged me labor for
a premises visit, jack testing. It was like a, like 500 bucks and they finally whittled
it down to 140. But it was ridiculous dealing with these guys, as you obviously know, all
of you guys. All right. Good luck. Thanks. Bye. Keep trying. Um, it's nine minutes to nine
o'clock. You know, it's, it's not quite New Year's yet. You know, we still have over
three hours, but, and it's in England and France and places like that already is New
Year's. You know, it's, it's already happened. But what I'd like to know is, is where in
the world is it going to be New Year's at nine o'clock? What, what time zone is that?
Down the ocean. It would be in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. There's nobody there.
Well, there must be someplace. Is that where the Galapagos Islands are? Wait, what about,
uh, what's that place? Iceland. No, I was just, I was just in, I was just in Iceland and
they go by European time. They go by, yeah, Greenland, maybe. But okay. Well, how about, uh,
what's that, what's that, what's that, what's that place? Uh, Bermuda. Bermuda. That's
it. Bermuda. They're in the same, they're in Eastern. It would be, it would be. They're
off the coast of North Carolina. It would be three fifths. They're way off the coast of
North Carolina. They're like in the middle of the ocean. Oh, it's not, they're not quite
that far. Wherever it is, it would have to be three fifths of the way to Greenwich,
England. Okay. Well, well, Bernie, you seem to know things like this. Well, we're, they're
five hours ahead of us. Is that right? Uh, yeah. Yeah. Right now they are. So it'd have
to be three fifths of the way there to be, uh, hitting midnight in a few minutes. Well,
hang on. I'm going to take a Liberty here and I have a map. I'm going to ask for an
operator. I'll go even one better than that. And do we have a dial tone? No, we don't have
a dial tone. Let's try this line over here. Okay. And we're going to try and get, I guess,
AT&T would know this, wouldn't they? Yeah, I guess. We're going to start with 9X though.
That's the, I'm telling the most, the Eastern, the Eastern most time zone is Atlantic. Uh-huh.
Hmm. And that's like, uh, Nova Scotia. Yeah, I know, but there's still places between
here and England that have to be different time zones. There's islands. There's islands. Yeah.
Islands have to, I think they go back to, yes. Hi. Can I have long distance please? Sure. Thank
you very much. I vote the Galapagos Islands. Well, I'm not even going to say that. That's
West. MCI. MCI. MCI. Enter the number you want to call. Area code first. For operator
assistance, press zero now or stay on the line. I'm sorry. It's nothing against MCI, but every
time I've talked to them, I've gotten angry. So let's, uh, let's call. It's that 1-800-CALL-ATT
thing. Right. Which is sort of like talking to an AT&T operator. In fact, AT&T, to place
a calling card. Press zero. AT&T, how may I help you? Yes, hi. I need to know the time
in Bermuda, please. Hold on. Thank you very much. Not far enough. What, you checked? No,
I'm too close. Yeah. Really? Hmm. Why don't you ask her the question you have? Where is
it midnight? I don't think they're going to know that. Well, she can look it up. How would
they look that up? It's not, it's not done. Do some social engineering, Emmanuel. It's not,
well, I can't now, can I? It's not done by, it's not, it's alphabetical, right? It's not
them by, by time. We only have six minutes to go. Time is 9.54 p.m. Oh, 9.54. You're
not able to tell, are you, what, uh, uh, where a particular time zone is, like where would
be, say, uh, 11.55 now? No. You can't tell by that, can you? No. Can you also tell me
the time in, uh, in Greenland? The country? Yes, the country. I thought maybe it was a
Greenland somewhere in the United States. Well, I wouldn't be surprised. It probably
is. There's a Paris in Texas, after all. There's a Rome, New York. Okay, the time
there is 10.54 p.m. Okay, we're getting closer. All right, well, thanks very much for your
help. You're welcome. Take care. This year is relatively helpful. Okay, we have the phone
book. All right, we have the phone book. We, we, we, we've gone, we're playing hardball
now. How about Iceland? Iceland is on Greenwich time. I don't understand that because
they're, they're adjacent to each other, but I don't think there's anything in between.
There's got to be islands. There's, I don't see any plus threes. How about down in the
south? What about those, those, those, like Malvina islands, you know, the, the Falklands
where the war took place? Oh, yeah. Those are plus one and plus two. You check. Like,
Venezuela is plus one. Yeah, I'm looking at them. Venezuela is on the other side of South
America. Suriname is plus two. Okay, what are the Falkland Islands? Falkland Islands are
right next to Argentina. Yeah, but I know that, but, but are they in that book
there? Uh, no. Okay, I think, I think, probably, but maybe not for sure. We're going to get
the operator again. We're running out of time, so we got to hurry. AT&T, to place a call.
Yeah, get the operator back. Four minutes to go. There'll be a boat someplace. AT&T, how
may I help you? Uh, yes, hi. I need to know the time right now in the Falkland Islands.
Yes, um. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Okay, it's approximately 9.56 p.m.
Okay, thank you very much. You're welcome. I told you, you didn't listen. So there's
no place where it's about to strike midnight, is what you tell. On the whole planet, there's
no place. I always thought there was a place where it was a certain time, you know. Like,
like in Iran, it's like a half hour's difference and a half, you know. Well, if you want to
be really technical, I could go stand in the other corner of the room and it's a different
time, but we don't have that degree of granularity. All right, let's just hope there's, there's
like a, you know, a barge or something out there in the middle of the ocean and we're celebrating
New Year's now and we can sort of say, you know, hey, Happy New Year to them as well.
Ha!
Wee. Okay, well, Bernie, thanks very much for calling us.
Thank you.
Yeah, we're going to go out now and have fun, I guess. I don't know. Whatever people do
on nights like this. And let's hope 1997 is a whole lot better for all of us. What
are your plans?
I'm going to have a safe and productive year and avoid any appearance of impropriety.
Yes, that's a good idea. That's a good idea. I think I might do the same.
All right, well, have a Happy New Year and best of luck to you. We'll be talking to you
again real soon.
Okay.
All right, take care.
Happy New Year, everybody.
So long. That's Bernie S coming to us live from Philadelphia. And Feinberg, well, I guess
you're running away with that crazy phone of yours. Have a Happy New Year yourself. And
we'll be back again next week for our first show of 1997. Until then, have yourselves a Happy
New Year or whatever kind of New Year you want to have. Our housing notebook is up next.
This is Emmanuel Goldstein for Off the Hook. Good night.
The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall. I cut myself while shaving. Now
I can't make a call. It couldn't get much worse. But if that could, they would.
Boom, dilly, bong. But the best, expect the worst. I hope that's understood.
Boom, dilly, bong.
Boom, dilly, bong.
Boom, dilly, bong.
Boom, dilly, bong.
Boom, dilly, bong.
Boom dette.
the future just keeps coming at you and what are your final thoughts as the season comes to an end
for us well i the thing i feel badly about is that it went too quickly i don't even remember
going down i don't even remember the fight i got no more to describe the way i'm feeling right now
but that year has been a little weird something like the media started calling me a hero and then
it's kind of overwhelming it's almost like i get more excited when i reflect back on everything
that's happened in a very short three a time
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dirt piling in the hall
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you and the goddamn OPA
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