My co-host, Ken Gale, and we want to tell you about our Nuff Said special, which we're
going to broadcast from midnight to 3 a.m. on February 2nd.
Groundhog's Day.
Does that mean we're going to have to repeat this show over and over again?
Well, if we have to hear anything over and over again, this is the one to hear.
With our guest, Lynn Johnston.
The creator, writer, and artist of the comic strip, For Better or Worse.
And also Mark Hamill.
Yes, that Mark Hamill.
The Mark Hamill who's the voice of the Joker and who played Luke Skywalker those many years
ago.
Yeah, that one.
That's going to be a good show, and we're going to try and fill in as much as we can
in three hours, maybe even some of your phone calls as well.
So tune in.
That's the Nuff Said special on WBAI from midnight to 3 a.m. February 2nd.
Groundhog's Day.
Does that mean we're repeating it?
Groundhog's Day.
Does that mean we're repeating it?
Groundhog's Day.
Does that mean we're repeating it?
Groundhog's Day.
And it's just about 8 o'clock on Tuesday afternoon, or Tuesday evening, or whatever it is, whatever
part of the world you're in.
Some places it might be Tuesday morning, but whatever.
It's time for Off The Hook.
The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall, I cut myself while shaving,
now I can't make a cost, it couldn't get much worse, but if they could they would, from Billy
Allen.
If they could they would.
And a very good evening to everybody.
This is another exciting edition of Off the Hook, where I believe if everything is going
right, if everything is working out properly, this radio program is being broadcast over
the internet as well, which means that people anywhere in the world who have access to the
internet, who have access to an appropriately sped up modem, and access to the right software
and hardware, well, they could be listening to us as well.
It sounds complicated, and you know what?
It is.
But it's getting easier almost by the minute.
We have Manos, the technician, with us on the phone.
Manos, are you there?
Yes, I am.
And are things working this week?
Yes, everything is working.
We just turned on the broadcast a few seconds ago, and we have about 15 people connected
already.
15 people are connected?
Yes.
And do you know where these people are coming from?
Not really right now.
At the end of the show, we'll have some more statistics.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, we hope to hear from some people overseas, and if you are overseas, please take the time
to give us a phone call on the special number at the bottom of your screen, on whatever
computer it is that you're listening to us on, and let us know how the sound quality
is, if things are working out well this time.
Last time we had a few glitches, but I think we got most of those straightened out, didn't
we?
Yes.
At the beginning of the show, at the first 15 minutes were a little bit difficult, but
after that, yeah, everything got straightened out.
Great.
So what's the maximum capacity of people we can have this week?
40 people.
40 people this week as well.
So next week, we hope that we will have much more.
Well, next week is the big fundraiser.
It's a three-hour-long show, and I don't know if we want to subject people in other parts
of the world to begging for money, but if we do, then that's three hours off the hook
next Tuesday.
The day after that, we are not on the air, so that's the update as far as that goes.
Okay, and you can also, if you connect to our website, www.2600.com, you can download
a couple of shows from the past, so those of you who are local might be interested in
doing that at some point.
You can do that any time of the day or night, and listen to the show whenever you feel like
it.
That's kind of neat.
So again, we hope to hear from some people there.
You can definitely give us a call any time using this special number wherever you are
in the world, and we'll try to talk to you.
Menas, anything you want to add?
No, not really.
Just hope that everything will go smooth, and we'll keep in touch.
Okay.
All right, well, thanks very much for your help, and we'll stay in touch with you as
well.
Good night.
Bye.
That was the update from Menas out there at the special WBAI off-the-hook RealAudio Uplink
facility.
Well, we, I see by the look in the chair that Fiber is not here, so that means he must be
in a taxi somewhere.
Let's see if we can reach him.
Dial tone, please.
Thank you.
Okay, hopefully the next thing you hear will be the sound of Fiber's phone ringing.
Hi, this is Mark.
I'm not around at the moment.
Well, I guess it still doesn't quite work all that well.
All right.
Well, maybe he's in the elevator.
Could that be?
Sure.
All right.
It's quite possible.
All right.
Here we have some updates on phone service, local phone service in the area.
Oh, do we have some people?
Let's see if these are actual people.
Good evening.
Where are you calling from?
Atlanta, Georgia.
Atlanta, Georgia.
Are you actually listening to us right now?
Yes, I am.
How are we coming in?
Perfect.
Great.
Wow.
You know, we're not used to that.
We're not used to things actually working, so that's good to hear.
I just wanted to call and tell you congratulations for getting it to work.
Okay.
Great.
Now, tell us something about the phone systems down in Atlanta.
You're Bell South, right?
Yeah, they suck.
Yeah?
So it's nice to know that people feel the same way about their local phone company as
we do up here.
Yeah.
Doesn't Bell South, though, are you familiar with ISDN at all?
Yes.
Well, don't they offer untimed ISDN for 64K?
In certain cases, if you already have a business line.
You have to have a business line?
Yes.
Wow, that's interesting.
I didn't know that.
So how about a residence?
Then they'll give you the unlimited hours type deal.
Unlimited hours for 64K?
Yeah.
See, we can't get that up here.
Up here, it's a penny a minute.
Yeah, I listened to your show.
I guess it was the New Year's Eve one, I guess, when I was in New Jersey with my grandma.
And it was the first time I listened to it, and I've been trying to listen to it since.
All right.
Well, hopefully this can become a regular feature.
And I guess one of the things that we can figure out here, since we can get people from
all over the country listening, is which local phone company sucks the most.
I think it's 9X.
Now, maybe you think it's Bell South.
We can have sort of a little playoff here.
Start something on your web page.
Yeah, well, we'll definitely get some material there.
Okay.
Hey, thanks for calling.
Yeah.
So, one person from Atlanta.
Okay, that is the record so far.
I'm going to Atlanta, by the way.
Did you know that?
When?
I'm going to Atlanta for the 2600 meeting, which is on February the 7th.
Ooh.
Not this Friday.
The Friday after this Friday.
Ah.
So, I'm going down to Atlanta.
You're flying?
No, I'm driving.
Ooh.
No, I prefer to drive, because I think driving, obviously it takes longer, but you get a sense
of the distance that you're traveling.
How far is the trip?
I don't know.
It's a couple of days, just to get down there, and a couple of days to get back, obviously,
but flying is okay, but I prefer driving.
I prefer being in control of my own destiny, and I also prefer being able to drive onto
the side streets occasionally, and onto the sidewalks, if I feel like that.
It's really the best way to go.
Do you know the hacker folk down in Atlanta, or are you just going to kind of show up?
I know some hacker folk down in Atlanta.
Is there a place to crash?
Oh, yeah.
There's always places to crash in many, many different parts of the world, but yeah, Atlanta
is something I hope to learn more about, because I know there's a vibrant hacker scene
down there.
Vibrant?
Yeah.
Well, in fact, they had a hacker conference in Atlanta a couple of years ago.
SummerCon was held in Atlanta, I believe, back in 1995, and met quite a few of the policemen
there, and a lot of emergency personnel, actually.
Emergency personnel?
Yeah.
It's a long, drawn-out story, and it's probably not passed the statute of limitations yet,
so we'll talk about it some other time, but yeah, so there are some interesting things
that happen, that have happened, that are happening, but no need to even think about
that right now.
Okay.
Shall we take any more phone calls?
Well, if people call in, we'll try to take them as they come in.
Speaking of local phone service, which is what we are trying to cover here, you recall
a couple of weeks ago, we mentioned MCI was trying to get into the local phone business.
Well, there's proof today in all the local newspapers, they have full-page ads, for the
first time in history, businesses can choose a local phone service.
Now, why is it always businesses that get to choose first?
Why can't the residences choose?
I mean, you know, they gear these things towards people who spend lots of money, and they're
the ones who get the first choice.
Seems to me the people that really need the choice are the ones who are struggling to
make it.
Anyway, that's what the ad says, for the first time in history, businesses can choose a local
phone service.
Not surprisingly, we just happen to be in the area.
Well, that's not exactly what MCI told me when I called them, they didn't seem to think
they were in the area at all.
They said that they're only offering it in California, and only in the southern part
of New York City, like 6th Avenue, whatever that means.
According to the ad, now you can choose between what your old local monopoly offers and the
kinds of efficiencies and economies only MCI can offer larger businesses.
I think that tells you where their priorities are.
Like competitive volume discounts, outstanding customer service, even the opportunity to
put your local long-distance international data, conferencing, cellular paging, and internet
all on one bill.
Notice how they slip internet in there?
Internet on one bill?
Yeah.
You know, I don't get internet on any bill right now.
Oh, well, are they an ISP then?
Apparently that's...
Well, MCI, yeah.
That's what they're trying to, you know, push themselves at.
www.mci.com slash local service is the address.
And they say we know all of these areas like the back of our hand.
What paper is that in?
This is Newsday.
It's also in the New York Times.
But what do you think the back of MCI's hand looks like?
Well, they know all these areas like the back of that hand.
And for more information...
Oh, they have a phone number here.
I'm going to call this number, okay?
I'm going to call this number to get more information, because I want more information.
It's not an 800 number.
Not at all.
I don't mind playing it over the air, because, well, they printed it in the New York Times.
See what we can find.
Now from around the world to just around the corner, introducing MCI Local Service.
If you would like information on replacing your existing residential telephone service
with MCI Local Service, please press 1.
Yes, definitely.
If you would like information on replacing your existing business telephone service with
MCI Local Service, please press 2.
If you are calling from a rotary phone, please stay on the line.
Please hang up and leave us alone.
To repeat your options...
I hit 1.
I'm hitting 1.
Hello?
I hope he heard me.
I don't know if he heard me.
Thank you.
One moment, please.
I still don't know if he heard me.
He might be transferring me to the rotary people.
Thank you for calling MCI.
My name is Mary.
We are pleased to announce that our local phone service will be available in limited
markets, and we know that you'll have lots of questions, so we've created a special information
package to send to you.
May I have your name, address, and phone number, please?
I'm sorry.
I think I might have reached the wrong number.
Is this...
This is what company again?
MCI.
And you're offering...
Did you say you're offering local service?
Local service.
Yes, sir.
Is that residential local service?
Yes, sir.
Can you tell me what it costs?
No, I cannot.
You cannot tell me that.
Is there a number you can give me that will tell me that?
Not that I'm aware of, sir.
All we're doing is taking down the people's names and addresses for MCI and passing it
on to them.
I see.
Are you located in New York, by any chance?
No.
Can you tell me what state you're in?
Florida.
Florida.
Okay.
Well, I'm going to see if that's what I want, and I'll give you a call back.
Are you there 24 hours a day?
Yes, we are.
Okay, great.
Thanks for your help.
Bye-bye.
Yeah, I just wanted to sort of...
I'm just saying all that to say, oh, I think I might have the wrong number.
I mean, can you imagine they have to answer the phone with that little speech every time?
I thought she was a recording.
I thought so, too.
I was going to hit a touchtone.
You know, that does work.
If you listen to people that give these long spiels when they pick up the phone, if you
hit a touchtone, they always say, hello, you know, just try it sometime.
You call them up, you hit the touchtone, and it always interrupts whatever it is they're
saying.
So it's just like they're a computer.
Yeah.
I don't know why it's in 718.
I don't know why we're calling 718 when it gets routed to Florida, but they cannot tell
us how much it costs because I don't think the service actually exists.
If anyone in any part of the country can correct us, please let us know.
Now in today's New York Times, there is an article about AT&T getting into the local
telephone business.
AT&T is venturing cautiously into local telephone business.
The AT&T Corporation announced its first significant foray into the local telephone business yesterday,
but the modest scope of its two new services underscored that AT&T was tiptoeing into this
$100 billion market, even a year after it was thrown up into competition.
Starting on February 3rd, AT&T said it would offer local phone service to small and medium-sized
business customers in California.
The long-distance carrier will not build its own local operations, but will lease lines
on the existing local network of Pacific Telesis Group.
AT&T said it would also offer, perhaps you people on the West Coast can tell us, is it
Pacific Telesis or Pacific Telesis?
Because we've had arguments about this and nobody seems to know out here.
So please let us know if you have an idea.
AT&T said it would also offer local service to large business customers that have dedicated
lines connecting their offices to AT&T's long-distance network.
That service, called Digital Link, is available in 35 states.
But for now, it will only handle outgoing local calls.
There are a number of other restrictions and things that AT&T just isn't quite doing yet,
and a lot of vagueness as far as to how much it's actually going to wind up costing.
According to a spokesman, AT&T's service in California would set a new standard for simplicity.
The company will offer customers a flat rate of $10.32 a month, plus less than two cents
a minute, regardless of the length of the call, time of day, or the local calling area.
Well, you know what's left out there are unlimited local dialing plans, because in many cities,
many parts of the country, you can call the local calling area as much as you want.
You can stay on the phone for the entire month if you want, and there are no permanent charges.
And here, they're saying less than two cents a minute.
So it's kind of deceiving in some ways.
I'd like to see more competition, but at the same point, I'd like to see more competition
for people that really need it, and more than just AT&T and MCI tiptoeing into the long-distance market.
OK, let's give Fiber another try, because obviously he wasn't in the elevator unless
he's stuck in the elevator.
We'll see if he's within range now.
Here we go.
Phone ringing.
Hi, this is...
OK, he's still got voicemail picking up, so he must not be in the range.
Oh well, I guess we'll just have to live with that.
OK, now those of you who are out there in various parts of the world, please, we want
to hear from you, so give us a call.
Right now, we'll pick up, and those of you locally, call 212-279-3400, and we'll be happy
to speak to you on that line.
This radio show is being broadcast throughout the world on Real Audio over the Internet,
and those of you who are listening in that way already know that, so there's no need
to announce it any further, I guess.
Do we have a call down there?
OK, let's see if we can reach out to another part of the country.
Good evening, you're on the air, where are you calling from?
Brooklyn.
Brooklyn, are you listening to us on the Real Audio?
No, because I can't get on.
Uh-huh, and why can't you get on?
Because it's too busy.
It's too busy?
What kind of message are you getting when you try?
I'm getting an error message, I'll tell you right now, I'll try it again.
OK.
It says, server alert, you cannot receive this content.
Uh-huh.
OK.
In a way, I'm not really that upset about that, because you can hear the show anyway.
You're in Brooklyn, so you can already listen to us.
If there are people connected to the server that can listen to us ordinarily, please disconnect
so other people that cannot listen to us in other parts of the world can do so.
As long as you're on the line, anything else you wanted to tell our listeners?
Yes, all right.
I have a beeper, I'm not going to say my number on the air.
Good idea.
But the voicemail, I got voicemail recently on it, and if you hit pound and then star,
you get an open dial tone.
If you hit star...
You get a message saying, please leave your numeric message or your alphanumeric message
after the beep.
And then if you hit pound and then star, you get an open dial tone.
Now, are you sure this is not just a recording of a dial tone?
This is an actual dial tone?
Yes, yes, I've tried dialing.
And you can make phone calls on this?
You can make phone calls on it.
Is this in area code 917?
Correct.
Okay, well...
The prefix is 235.
Oh, you've just made it very easy for everybody then.
235 exchange and 917.
Okay, well...
Yeah, just try it.
They have a crap load of beepers on there.
They're probably going to resist me.
I'm not going to give out my beeper number, but...
Can you give...
All right, not to push this any further, but can you give out the first digit of the suffix
only because they tend to map out numbers that way?
Seven.
Okay, great.
We're going to try...
We'll check that out right now.
Try dialing in.
And I left a message on the 2600 voicemail BBS too, and I haven't gotten any responses yet.
Okay, that's because everyone's too busy playing with it.
So, all right, we'll see how that goes.
Thanks for the tip there.
That's definitely a wide open hole if that's true.
Let's try a number at random.
We won't tell you what number we're calling.
We'll turn down the microphone when we actually reach that one.
Let's see if...
He said pound, then start.
We're sorry, the number you have reached has been disconnected.
Oh, there it is.
Okay, let's try calling us now.
We're sorry, the number you have reached is not in service.
Please check the number and dial again.
I think that sounds like a fake dial tone to me.
That sounds like a fake dial tone to me.
I think I can prove it by just entering the last five digits.
Let's try this.
Oops, sorry.
We're sorry, the number you have reached is not in service.
You see, that's not...
Please check the number and dial again.
That's a beeper recording.
Want to try 958?
I don't think this is a real dial tone.
Actually, that's interesting because we didn't get the recording there.
All right, let's try filling that with some extra digits.
958-1212.
We're sorry, the number you have reached...
Okay, it seems to be waiting for...
Okay, it's waiting for seven digits.
Dial again.
All right, let's try entering the full number that we just dialed.
Hmm, don't know where it went.
I think that was a voicemail.
I think we might have hit a voicemail.
I think what you can do with that service, and I have to play with it some more,
but I think what you can do with that is dial anything within that beeper company.
You can keep redialing different numbers.
They're seven-digit numbers.
I don't see any evidence you can dial out with it.
So if I'm wrong, please correct me.
But that's interesting.
It's not atypical.
A lot of beeper companies do that where you can hit star and get through to some things.
All right, let's see if we can get another part of the country.
Good evening, you're on...
I have dual ISDN, and I'm not getting much of what you're saying.
I think the server is a little lagged.
Well, okay, we're going to have to keep trying, I guess.
Have you tried connecting several different times?
I actually have.
I've connected about six times so far, and so far, all I've gotten is...
Well, I can let you hear real quick if you want.
Yeah, let's take a listen.
Have you tried connecting several different times?
I actually have.
I've connected about six times so far, and so far, all I've gotten is...
That sounds pretty good to me.
Just my luck.
It comes in great.
Yeah, well, that's our luck, too.
All right.
All right, well, keep trying.
Yeah, I will, too.
Okay, Detroit out there.
Let's see who else is out there.
Good evening.
Where are you calling from?
Yes, go ahead.
You're on the air.
Speak up.
I guess they got camera shy.
It can happen.
Fiber, you're here.
Yes, I am.
Wow, how are you doing?
Okay.
So we tried reaching you several times to no avail.
Really?
Yeah.
Actually, well, I was on 4th Street momentarily, East 4th Street.
It still seems to be a little...
We tried you about maybe six minutes ago,
and then we tried you about, what, 10, 11 minutes?
Six minutes ago, I was probably in the elevator.
Took you six minutes to walk into the studio from the elevator?
Well, I've been sitting here for a couple of minutes.
No, no, no.
I've been six minutes before you got here.
Well, anyway.
All right, let's try this other phone call here.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
That's the problem with letting in other parts of the country.
You get that.
You know, we all know what state that is.
Texas.
Oh, well, you said it.
I didn't.
All right.
The jersey's already within our range.
Get this.
Now, here's an interesting news item that somebody just sent us today.
Well, it's not really a news item.
It's a letter.
Listen to this carefully.
Yesterday, when I was going home, I noticed something rather interesting
on one of the LED display screens at the bottom of the escalators
in the 51st Street subway station between the E and the 6 lines.
This display was flashing something to the tune of 2600.
Enjoy 2600 hacker meetings every first Friday of the month.
54th Street in Lexington.
It may have been slightly different, but you get the idea.
Was this official, or did someone with a lot of time on their hands
infiltrate the system?
Well, it wasn't official.
Somebody infiltrated the system.
We did not lease out time with the New York City subway system
to have an advertisement for our meetings.
What I think happened, and correct me if I'm wrong,
I think somebody got one of those little handheld units
that allow you to modify certain LED displays.
Yeah, you can do that.
Just like a TV remote.
You point at it, and you can change what it says.
And you can do this from across a room, so nobody knows you're doing it
unless they're watching the display at the time.
So it makes for a lot of fun in all kinds of scenarios.
I saw one in a store that was selling lotto tickets saying,
lotto's a big ripoff.
Do not buy lotto tickets here.
And of course, the people that run the things don't know how to stop it,
so they wind up unplugging the whole thing.
And that leads to more problems.
So that's what I think happened.
Unless somebody out there decided to take out an ad on our benefit,
that's what I'm going to maintain happened in that particular situation.
It's kind of interesting.
I wish I had seen it.
But maybe other people saw it as well.
All right, 212-279-3400 is our phone number.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Go ahead.
You're on the air.
Oh, hey, Emmanuel.
How are you doing?
Pretty good.
How are you?
Oh, I'm OK.
I'm just calling about the Beyond Hope conference in August.
Yes.
August 8, 9, and 10.
Oh, well, I subscribed to the mailing list, right?
OK.
And I was the guy who spelled VanEck wrong.
Oh, well, Fiber, do you have something to admonish this person about spelling VanEck wrong?
Oh, yeah, it's E-Y-C-K.
I think he knows that now.
OK.
All right.
Yeah, sorry about that.
OK.
Well, anyway, I just wanted to know, you said it was going to be downtown, right?
Yes.
Is there any new developments?
Because the mailing list has been somewhat dead for a while.
Well, there haven't really been any developments to report.
We're working on a couple of deals with local places, theaters, cafes, things like that.
So nothing firm yet, which is why we haven't said anything.
But it's still being held in the Puck building, which is on the corner of Houston and Lafayette.
And it's still set for those dates.
We're open to suggestion if people want to join the mailing list or just send things to us.
I'll give out the information as to how people can do that.
Oh, well.
And also, what do you guys think about Ebonics?
Well, you know, there's a lot of that going around on various Internet things that sort of
altered the language that you're speaking and turn it into some mock
kind of language that they've made up.
It's kind of funny the way they've done this.
But the whole debate, I don't know.
It tells a lot about American culture, I think.
Oh, yeah.
And also, one more question.
Is Bernie S going to be there?
I cannot say at this point.
It's too early to say for sure.
But we certainly hope so.
He'll be there in one form or another.
If he can't be there in person, then he'll be there on a video display or something.
Or, you know, we'll have a holographic image of him or something.
We'll work it out somehow.
Technology will find a way.
That's right.
All right.
All right.
Thanks a lot, guys.
Take care.
Bye.
And certainly, in addition to Bernie S and FiberOptic and all the other people,
we're going to try and get people from around the world to show up to this thing.
Now, you should bear in mind that this is going to be my very first con.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't go to cons, but I'm going to make an exception.
Well, you've gone to conferences, though.
Yeah, but not cons.
Yeah.
Well, you know, this isn't really a con in the true sense of the word.
Having been to cons, this is different.
Slightly different.
It's not like the conferences, either.
It's a conf.
A conf?
Yeah.
How is that?
Okay.
Since I wasn't at the last Hope, how is this Hope going to be different from, say,
SummerCon or HoHoCon or DefCon?
I don't want to say anything bad about the other ones because they're different.
They cater to a different type of thing.
Okay, I'll tell you.
The other types of cons that you mentioned tend to cater only towards a certain group of people,
whereas something like Beyond Hope caters to a large
number of different types of people that get together and share things.
So, for instance, you don't have a lot of BAI listeners going to SummerCon,
going to DefCon, because they know nothing about it.
They're not invited to it.
They're not a part of that little community.
But here, they are a part of this community.
We're all part of the same community.
We come from all different aspects of it.
So, for that reason alone, you know, the Hope conference in 1994,
we got about 1,400 people all together.
And they weren't all people that talked to each other on IRC.
There were people that had never even played with computers before, some of them.
They were interested in what we had to offer.
And they came away with a lot of knowledge.
And some of them are on IRC now.
So, it's all worthwhile.
Regardless of that, yeah, sometimes it went wrong.
But, yeah, you know, there's a lot to be learned.
And this thing is a bit more structured.
Whereas, you know, those other conferences that cost like $1,000 to go to,
you know, they're super structured, multi-tiered, that kind of thing.
And mostly boring.
You know, we're going to try to have the excitement of the cons
with the semi-structure of the conferences.
So, that's...
I like that, semi-structure.
Yeah.
Well, I don't want to be as structured as they are, for sure.
Because, you know, you lose the subject matter with all the structure that's going on.
Plus, we're going to try to have all kinds of other things going on in the city
on that weekend.
And if people out there and they want to be a part of this,
please get in touch with us.
And there's a lot of time to work things out.
You know, like if you own, you know, like, you know, the tunnel or something.
And you want to give it to us for the weekend.
You know, that's the kind of thing to call us about.
But, no, anything, really.
Anything that you'd like to participate in.
I guess we can give people information as to how to get a hold of us.
There's several ways you can...
If you're on the net now, of course, you can email us, oth at 2600.com.
And if you want to subscribe to the mailing list also on the net,
you send mail to majordomo at 2600.com.
That's spelled M-A-J-O-R-D-O-M-O.
It's a ridiculous looking word, but that's what it is.
And that's basically a computer program that you're talking to.
You have to tell it in the first line of your message,
not in the subject, in the first line of the message,
you have to say subscribe.
And then the name of the list you want to subscribe to,
which in this case is Beyond Hope.
One word, B-E-Y-O-N-D-H-O-P-E.
And then, just to be safe, follow that with your email address.
Your full email address.
The one that you normally send mail from.
Yeah, the one that you would give out to people as your email address.
And then send that message away.
You should get a confirmation message telling you to send verification
that you really want to do this.
Once you do that, you'll be on the list.
And then you'll get updates sent to your mailbox.
Now, if you don't have access to the internet, of course,
we still want you to be involved.
You can send us mail.
You can call us.
The phone number is 516-751-2600.
And I don't think we have a Hope mailbox set up yet on the voicemail system there.
So you can, I guess, just send mail to me, Emanuel Goldstein.
You can spell out my name or something like that.
Or just hit zero and transfer yourself to the official 2600 answering machine.
Or you can send us mail, 2600-PL-BOX-848, Middle Island, New York, 11953.
And we will get you information that way.
Anything we left out?
Not concerning that.
But I do have a number of updates.
OK, what are the number of updates?
By the way, people listening to us on the internet, please give us a call.
There are no calls coming from the internet right now.
We have a bunch of calls from New York City.
And we are going to take those as well.
But we'd like to hear from people in other parts of the world as well.
Go ahead.
I had mentioned to you that the OmniPoint phones have started
both sending and receiving reliable email over the past week.
Is it reliable?
It appears to be working 100% of the time.
Within a day, you get it?
I get it within a minute.
Within a minute?
To or from the phone.
That's really something.
It's been working reliably over the past week.
And I'm told that somebody scaled a mountain in Nepal
and actually was able to get weather updates there.
Actually, it wasn't Nepal.
It was Beverly Hills.
Oh, it was somewhere in the West.
Yeah, well, they were in San Diego.
And they were able to get service there, no problem.
Apparently, there's a roaming agreement
between OmniPoint and Pacific Bell Mobile, PB Mobile.
And when they were in Beverly Hills,
they didn't have a very good signal until they climbed up higher
to, I guess, on top of a hill or mountain or something.
And then they had good signal.
I don't know if maybe GTE might be the company in Beverly Hills.
But while they were on top of a mountain in Beverly Hills,
they were getting the weather for flushing.
Yeah, that's right.
All their messages, including their weather and the local news,
was forwarded to them.
So they were finding out that it was supposedly going to snow in Queens
when it was like 80 degrees or 90 degrees in California.
And it didn't snow in Queens anyway, though.
Yeah, it ended up not smoking.
Not snowing, rather, sorry.
It smoked.
It's always smoking in Queens, but snowing is something else.
All right, let's take some local phone calls.
212-279-3400.
Those of you on the web, we're waiting.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hi, Emmanuel.
I don't recognize that voice.
Do you recognize that voice?
I haven't heard this voice in so long.
I have totally wiped out all memory of this voice.
I don't even know who this is anymore.
Well, you're talking about OmniPoint phones, and I just wanted to ask,
what is the difference between the digital OmniPoint phone
and the digital AT&T cellular phone?
You know, the digital GSM as opposed to the digital cellular?
Well, Fiber, that's a question for you, I think.
Could he repeat the question?
I was distracted by my OmniPoint phone.
Do I have to repeat it?
Yeah, I guess you do.
Fiber, please pay attention.
Fiber, pay attention.
He was hacking the phone or something.
I don't know.
I'll ask the question again.
I wanted to know what the difference between the GSM digital phone
and the digital cellular phone like from AT&T or something is.
Well, all the digital cellular network is just D-A-M-P-S,
the digital advanced...
I'm having speech impediments tonight.
The digital advanced mobile phone service, D-A-M-P-S,
as opposed to A-M-P-S, which is just regular analog cellular.
GSM is a whole different protocol.
It's an actual...
It would be more akin to a packet switch network that's wireless
as opposed to just a digital form of A-M-P-S.
And GSM does not use cells.
It actually uses spread spectrum.
And there are small antennas on the fronts of buildings.
Right, I know.
On poles, on light poles and so on.
But I'm saying...
But the digital cellular phones, the actual phone, when you talk into it,
it converts it into a digital signal before it sends it out over the air, right?
Yeah, well, they're both digital.
That's about as much that they have in common.
Right, but the same thing with the GSM though, right?
Yeah, but...
And that's why you get that delay, like when you're talking,
like when you're on your digital cellular phone and when you're GSM phone
and you're talking to a manual at that time,
you got a delay, like you talk and he'd hear it like a second later
because it has to have time to, like, convert.
No, the reason why there's a delay on a GSM phone
is because your voice is ping-ponging around the neighborhood.
Oh, I see.
Before it finally gets relayed to its destination.
That's why it sounds so tired when it gets to you, finally.
Any other questions out there?
When is this Beyond Hope again?
August 8th, 9th, and 10th.
Wait, isn't that when DEF CON is?
I don't think so.
I don't think they've announced a date for DEF CON yet.
Oh.
And we don't really care if they do.
Well, of course we do.
Don't listen to him.
All right, thanks for calling.
We're gonna, we're gonna, I'm sorry.
You wanted to say something else.
We got an internet call.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hi.
Where are you calling from?
I'm calling from California.
California.
Okay, what part of California?
San Jose, South Bay, San Francisco.
Oh, great.
Yes, I've heard of that.
Okay.
So how's the signal coming in out there?
Well, I can try and play it.
Okay.
I've lost about 20 percent.
It's kind of somewhat hard to get it, but I can catch most of it.
Okay.
My problem is, I was wondering if, how I can get into an Apple talk or a computer
on an Ethernet network that has file sharing off,
but that has, uh, that can get on the internet.
So it has an open IP address.
It has an open way for the computer to get on through the server at a school,
to the district server.
Yeah.
How would I go about doing that?
Is there a program that can get into it?
You want to tackle that one?
Actually, I just received an email on my phone from a friendly David.com person.
Yeah.
How does that answer this guy's question?
Listen, let me take that phone.
Give me the phone.
Take me the phone.
Give me the phone now.
Okay.
After the show, I'll give the phone back to you.
All right.
All right.
Now, I'm sorry, sir.
You're going to have to ask that question all over again
and have Mark listen to it this time and hopefully pay attention.
Go ahead.
Okay.
I've, okay, I'm at school.
We're in the Campbell district.
I don't know if that matters.
And all of the internet, all the computers, about 40 computers hooked up to one ISDN line,
which goes through the Campbell, the district server.
And there's another computer that has file sharing turned off
that I wanted to know how I could get into that computer.
But, and that computer is able to get on the internet just by opening Netscape.
It hooks right up.
So there's, I'm just thinking there's got to be some way to get inside of it.
And I can get to a terminal that's on the Ethernet network.
Wait, so you're basically asking me how to break into a computer
on the air in front of millions of people.
You want me to give you a straight answer?
Hey, I was hacking the beeper phone.
If I can do that, you can tell people how to, you know, theoretically get into a system.
How to theoretical?
Well, I don't think you really mentioned whether it was a PC or a Mac.
Did you?
A Mac.
Yeah, it's a Mac.
Okay.
Um, uh, Apple share we're talking about.
Right.
And you want, you want to defeat Apple share security is what you're saying.
Right.
Is it sharing anything?
Is Apple sharing turned on or off?
It's, I think it's off.
I mean, it doesn't come up when you simply can't get into the machine.
It's that easy.
Really? It's a hardware thing.
No, it's a software thing.
And either Apple sharing is turned on or off.
And if it's turned off, it simply isn't sharing anything.
I think he'd like to turn it on.
Then he's going to have to get in front of the machine
or get somebody in front of the machine and enable Apple sharing.
There's nothing.
If Apple sharing is turned off in the, uh, the Apple sharing control panel,
then there's no way you're going to access anything on that machine remotely.
It's that simple.
You have to have control of that machine, the machine you want to get inside of.
And somehow change it so that setting is the way you want it to be.
Okay.
If it can access a webpage on another server,
I was just thinking there's got to be some way to get inside of it.
No, but they're accessing a webpage on another server
by sitting in front of it and connecting it.
Oh, true, true. Right, right.
Hmm. All right.
Well, we wish you luck.
All right. Thanks a lot.
All right. And we hope you're on the side of good.
But there's no way to really know.
Instead of evil.
Hey, we got, we got this letter.
Um, dear manual, you've got me hooked.
A friend and I are trying to use real audio to listen to BBC radio
for in London, not world service, which I can get on shortwave.
But so far, no luck.
One problem is that radio four goes off the air at about 1230 AM London time.
But the programs might be stored in memory somewhere in the next week's program.
Could you try to tune into a radio station in Europe
or figure out how to access the domestic transmissions of the BBC?
Well, we don't have a computer set up right now that can do that.
But I can tell you if you, if you go around searching
for things like BBC radio for an Alta Vista, I'm sure you will find
sites that have that particular bits of information.
If they are using real audio at all, or if somebody is using real audio for them,
that should show up on that kind of a search.
You can also try even calling the BBC and asking if they do this.
You know, they might actually know whether or not they do.
I'm sure that it's around someplace.
I know BBC World Service is broadcast on satellite here in the United States.
I don't know.
That's obviously not what you're looking for,
since you can get that anyway on shortwave.
I think a lot of other things.
I know the Serbian radio is being broadcast real time
through the AccessForAll.nl server.
If you ask around in those circles, if you get on certain news groups,
they'll pass around the URLs that will allow you to connect to those.
Let us know what you find out.
If anybody out there has information on this, please call in and let us know.
What's the most interesting thing you've listened to on the real audio?
The most interesting thing, the thing that I like listening to,
is at www.thedj.com.
Thedj.com?
Thedj.com.
Okay.
You could select all different kinds of music and just listen commercial free.
The only problem is that too many people know about it now,
and a lot of times they kick you off if you're listening for too long.
Is this uncensored music or is it only...
I don't think it's censored.
Only the kinds of things that they play on the radio anyway?
No, it's not just stuff they play on the radio.
It's a much broader selection of different types of music.
Give us an example of how much they narrow it down.
I'm trying to think.
They actually divide down different types of techno.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
They don't just say techno.
There's different types.
And then they sort of have fringe kind of stuff, like trance music.
Trance, ambient, acid jazz, all that kind of jungle.
It's really granular, the way they narrow it down.
Do they have any happy hardcore?
I didn't see any mention of happy hardcore yet,
but maybe we could send a suggestion to them.
Yes, I think we should definitely send suggestions.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
All right.
We have a call coming in from somewhere.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Where are you calling from?
Hi, guys.
From New Jersey.
I just wanted to tell you that once I switched from...
It's an adjustment on the real audio from 16-bit to 8-bit.
When I changed from 16 to 8-bit, it got much better.
It was basically continuous radio stream, where with 16-bit, it was very much chopped up.
This is the guy whose provider is called InJersey, right?
Yeah.
He confused us a couple of weeks ago.
Then I couldn't hear you at all, but today was perfect.
Okay.
Well, it's good to know that you're able to listen to us.
Right.
But can you listen to us anyway over the radio?
Oh, yes.
Okay.
Well, you should do that so somebody from, say, Pakistan can listen to us now.
Okay.
Take care.
Bye.
And so far, nobody from Pakistan has called us.
In fact, nobody from Gambia has called us or anywhere in those parts of the world.
We'd like to hear from someone.
I know it's going to cost a bit to dial us, but we don't pick up the phone before we pick up on the air.
So it's not like when you call Larry King and he puts you on hold for an hour and a half.
No, we don't do that.
We pick up the phone when we're ready to go on the air.
No screening here.
So give us a call at the number that's listed on your screen.
Let's go back to New York.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Speak up.
Hello.
Yes, go ahead.
Great.
I'm trying to get through forever.
Okay.
Well, you got through now.
There's a couple of things that I wanted to mention to you about.
One was at the beginning of the show, you were talking about the fake dial tone on your pagers.
I know for a fact that that dial tone is specifically made for accessing other
pagers in the pager company, that same pager company.
That's what I suspected.
It sounded too clean to be a real dial tone.
Yeah.
The second thing that I wanted to mention to you about is pretty much just an information
type of thing.
But if anybody out there has access to or gets PC Week, there is on a cover article
a enhanced version or an appendix, you could say, to Jonathan Litman's book that he wrote
about Kevin Mitnick.
It's essentially an update of everything that's happened since that book is published.
It actually goes into his federal indictment and this and that.
I know personally that I haven't been able to find out too much information about what
he's actually being charged with, what he's facing, where the status of his case is currently,
and all that other stuff.
If anybody else is interested, it's in the issue of PC Week that just came out today.
It's dated January 27th, 1997, but I received it by subscription.
I got it today.
I do know that that book has just, The Fugitive Game, has just come out in paperback and there's
a long update, a long epilogue to what has gone on since the book was published originally.
So yes, it is available in book form and I don't know if they're printing the whole thing
in PC Week.
Well, I don't know myself.
I bought the hardcover so I didn't know that the paperback came out, but it was just very
interesting to me, considering PC Week usually doesn't talk about stuff like that.
John Lippin, in fact, will be our guest next week on this show.
So we'll be talking to him about his new book, which features the antics of Kevin Paulson,
the other Kevin.
There's just one other thing that I want to mention and that was something that you were
talking about last week with DVD.
Yes.
I have a bit of an update to the information that you were able to provide last week and
that is that I was reading in a magazine called Boot Magazine about the DVD drives that are
coming out.
Essentially, the way they've decided to release this, I think that it's going to be a disaster
for it because they're planning to release two versions of the DVD drive.
One capable of decoding the encryption and one not capable of decoding the encryption
that can only be used to play certain types of MPEG CD-ROMs that I guess can't be played
with normal CD-ROM drives now.
One will cost more than the other, the one that's able to decode the encryption.
Essentially, that will also require more processor power, so I just thought I would put that
out there.
What is going to be encrypted?
The actual video or whatever is on the DVD.
That's what held it up for so long.
They couldn't figure out a way to keep DVDs from getting copied.
Obviously, the CD-R market isn't that huge, but they're very concerned about it.
All that information is what will be encrypted.
Whether it's video or audio or whatever else they would put on a DVD disc, the movies,
you won't be able to copy it with the encryption.
It's kind of like DAT tapes when they came out, how you could make a copy of the original,
but you couldn't make a copy of the copy.
But here, I don't think you'll be able to make a copy of even the original once.
Well, as usual, they're letting greed get in the way of progress, and I think that's
going to impede it, certainly.
Yeah, I just thought that was pretty interesting, so I just wanted to let everybody know.
Okay, well, thanks for the update.
Okay, bye-bye.
As you know, last week we called Radio Shack for a comment on this, and they said that
they were not getting DVD anytime in the future.
I don't think they even knew what you were talking about.
I got that distinct impression myself.
I sure did, and that was something.
Yeah, I even saw a DVD player.
I was at a store.
I think it was the Warner Brothers store or something on Fifth Avenue, and they had a
DVD player in a display case as an example of the heights to which technology will one
day ascend.
And I saw a DVD disc.
It was a DVD disc on it, and it looked kind of like a holographic image type of a thing,
and it had this sort of...
Was it a double-sided disc or single-sided?
I think it was single-sided.
I think it was also single-layer, and I've heard a disturbing rumor that the first DVDs
to come out will only...
I knew they were going to be single-sided only, but now I hear they're only going to
be single-layered as well.
I told you that disturbing rumor.
Yeah, well, you definitely come up with a lot of disturbing rumors.
Yeah.
This one's true.
Yeah, I heard from various sources that they're taking too long to release the new
technology, that the people who are supposed to be recording interesting things on DVDs
are saying there aren't enough companies making players.
The companies that are supposed to be making players are saying that there isn't enough
new media available on DVDs.
It's like a Catch-22 almost, you know?
The first DVDs to come out are supposedly only going to be single-sided and single-layered.
Look, I will buy...
If this helps at all, I will buy one, okay?
If they release it tomorrow, I will go out and I will buy a DVD player, multi-sided,
multi-track.
You don't have to worry.
You have got at least one sale that's got to count for something.
And not only that, I will tell other people to get them as well.
Well, the thing that people should bear in mind, though, is that even though they're
only single-sided and single-layered, they can still hold four gigs.
That's true.
As opposed to 650 megs on a CD.
But initially, they're supposed to hold about 16 gigs.
Well, then you need double-sided and multi-layered.
Yeah, but that's how they were saying this new technology would replace old CDs by multiplying
an incredible amount.
And now they're kind of like trying to strangle it.
I think it's silly.
They should release something.
Because, you know, DVD one day will be outdated as well.
It will be replaced by something else.
Yeah.
So...
Look at mini-discs.
They spent so much time putting those out, and those are already being outmoded by DVD,
we think, anyway.
Well, mini-discs are designed to be recorded on.
DVDs, not so much yet.
Yeah.
Hopefully, they will be someday.
Well, if anything, mini-discs, more or less, are designed to be portable too, right?
Uh-huh, yes.
More than anything else.
That's exactly true.
Yeah.
And they don't do what they do in strange days.
They don't, all right?
They got a lot of sales based on that, but people were disappointed, and I think they
got a few returns afterwards.
They were looking for the trodes.
Yeah, you can't really experience other people's, you know, emotions through mini-discs,
unless they're, you know, really good singers or something.
So, okay.
We have only a couple minutes left, so I'd like to implore those people that are listening
to us on the web or on the net right now to call the number on your screen and let us
know where you are calling from because we probably won't be doing this next week.
I'm almost certain we won't be because we'll be so caught up in the fundraiser, and we
certainly wouldn't want to subject people in other parts of the world to our fundraising
efforts.
Although, maybe one day we will.
Who knows?
We have to deal with all that foreign money though, you know?
Yeah.
That'd be kind of hard.
So, please give us a call.
This may be your last chance to talk to us for a little while until we get this perfected
and do it again.
All right.
Let's see who we have here.
Good evening.
Where are you calling from?
It's that state again.
You know?
Yeah.
We don't have caller ID, so we can't tell what state it is, but I think I know.
All right.
Let's go back to the nice, civilized city of New York.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hi.
How are you doing?
This is your free tele-mile info line at your service.
It's 758 miles to Atlanta by air from New York and 854 miles by dirt.
Okay.
That's the kind of fact that you get when you ask for it.
Interesting.
I didn't know I asked for it though.
Um, okay.
I don't think I'm going to go by dirt.
All right.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Go ahead.
Speak up.
Yes.
Hello.
How are you doing?
How are you?
Am I on the air?
Yes, you are.
Okay.
Listen, I'm interested in knowing what the conclusion was with the student in Jersey
because I'm interested in running a mass mailing program.
Um, what is it that you're interested in?
I'm interested in running a mass mailing program.
Okay.
And I want to know what was the conclusion with the student in Jersey.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Well, what exactly do you mean?
The student in New Jersey?
It was like two years ago.
I don't know.
Uh-huh.
Well, give us some details.
Maybe we'll know.
It was a mass mailing thing.
Okay.
And what?
Somebody was, was prosecuted for this or something?
What?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was a big, big thing.
Tell us what you want to do.
I want to do a mass mailing program.
You want to mass mail what?
Everybody on the net?
Yes.
We have enough crap in our mailboxes.
Why don't you get something, find something interesting to do?
Well, wait.
Maybe he's got something important to say.
What kind of things do you want to mail?
Information, like my friends or whatever.
Personal things.
Not to any Tom, Dick, and Harry.
Well, you want to start a mailing list?
Yeah, my own mailing list, but just its own program.
Well, there's nothing illegal about, or even annoying about starting a mailing list.
Are you sending mail to people who did not ask for it?
No.
Okay.
That's a mailing list.
You only want to send mail to people that have expressed an interest?
Yes.
Okay.
So what would you suggest?
What kind of system are you running?
I'm running my own NT.
Okay.
Can he do that?
I don't know of any mailing list software that runs on Windows NT, unfortunately.
No, I want to create my own.
You want to write your own from scratch?
Yeah.
That would be, that would be an accomplishment.
You could probably sell something like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, that's why I want to know if it's legal or illegal,
because if I give it to someone and they start doing other things...
No, there's nothing illegal about that at all.
No, not at all.
I mean, you're not responsible for how people misuse your program.
The important thing is that you have a purpose for your program that you're comfortable with.
Okay.
But yeah, it sounds like a good idea.
We'd like to know more about it if you, um...
Do you know what language you'll be writing it in?
I'll say.
Okay.
Well, that's a good start, isn't it?
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah, it's okay if it's legal.
Sure.
I don't want to do anything that's illegal.
Writing a computer program cannot be illegal.
I know, but if someone uses the wrong thing, then I guess it could get traced back to...
Yeah, but you see, the person that...
You could be the, uh, what is it called?
The more, uh, accomplished.
Yeah, but the people that use the program are the ones who are responsible for using it in that way.
You're simply a writer, you know?
People read your words and figure out how to do something illegal with that.
It's not your problem.
It's them that did the actual act.
Thanks for calling.
Good luck.
Let's see if anyone from another part of the world is out there.
Good evening.
What tone is that?
That's a one.
That's a one.
Well, that's about the intelligence level.
There's somebody that needs to be mass-mailed.
The intelligence level of that person is, uh, about a one.
Okay, let's see if we can fit in some more.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Uh, I have a question about the V-chip.
Okay.
The V-chip.
The V-chip.
Can you get in trouble for not using the V-chip?
Uh, you must use the V-chip.
You must abide by its...
No, of course you can.
You don't have to use the V-chip.
For one thing, all new TV sets, I don't know exactly when, uh,
will have the V-chip installed in them.
Um, I don't think it's now because I know some people just bought a TV set and it wasn't in there.
Well, my, my, what I'm really thinking about is if you have cable...
Yeah.
Can they tell what you're blocking or what you're not blocking?
Let's say you have kids in the house and you don't block certain programs.
Can you be, uh, considered a, a child abuser?
Are you really serious?
Do you really think that's, that's, that's something that's likely in the future?
People would be, would be judged in that way?
Uh, I don't see why not.
I mean, people are judging you, uh, based on all sorts of things.
Well, you know, um, whether or not it's technically possible, I think,
I really wish the people that, that, uh, that sped this thing through Congress
could hear from people like you as far as your fears and concerns,
you know, because that's something to address.
If you actually think that you're going to be judged based on what you let your kids watch
and that there's a way to somehow remotely monitor you, that's a very good reason right there,
you know, not to have a system like this and simply to leave it up to parents.
But to answer your question in a more technical sense,
no, that, that, that cannot happen on the current state of affairs.
Okay, thanks.
All right.
I am correct in that.
Uh, yeah, that's a little scary, that statement that he was making.
Yeah, but I mean, that's what happens when you, when you impose things like this,
people actually fear that they will be monitored and it affects your way of itself, censorship.
It affects the way you do things.
It affects what you watch.
Maybe he won't watch a certain program because he's afraid that, uh,
it'll get back to his workplace or something, you know?
He didn't ask about the, the tiny hidden cameras in the cable boxes.
Oh yeah.
That's a problem.
All those little cameras everywhere.
Well, you know, I don't know if you read about this, but a lot of people do this, um,
under the pretext of, uh, pretense of, of protecting their kids from babysitters.
They put little mini cameras in lamps so they can watch what happens in their homes.
And of course this goes well beyond when the babysitter is around,
you can just spy on your family all the time.
And if you can do it, anyone else can do it as well.
And it doesn't have to be in your living room.
It could be anywhere.
And technology is getting cheaper and cheaper and smaller and smaller.
So, uh, something to, to watch out for.
Well, we got to watch out for the time and it's time for us to leave.
We'll be back again next week with our special three hour show.
I think it's nine to 12.
Is that right?
Is it really?
We're not on an eight?
I'm not sure.
You know, I should have looked, but I, I neglected to.
I think it's, I think it's nine to 12, but tune in at eight anyway,
because if we're not there, something else will be there that's just as good.
And, um, well, uh, we'll talk to you then and new people on the net.
We'll talk to you next time we do this.
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Have a good night.
I'm here with my cohost, Ken Gale, and we want to tell you about our Nuff Said special,
which we're going to broadcast from midnight to 3am on February 2nd.
Groundhog's day.
Does that mean we're going to have to repeat this show over and over again?
Well, if we have to hear anything over and over again, this is the one to hear.
With our guest, Lynn Johnston.
The creator, writer, and artist of the comic strip for better or worse.
And also Mark Hamill.
Yes, that Mark Hamill.
The Mark Hamill who's the voice of the Joker and who played Luke Skywalker those many years ago?
Yeah, that one.
That's going to be a good show.
And we're going to try and fill in as much as we can in three hours.
Maybe even some of your phone calls as well.
So tune in.
That's the Nuff Said special on WBAI from midnight to 3am February 2nd.
Groundhog's day.
Does that mean we're repeating it?
Groundhog's day.
Does that mean we're repeating it?
Groundhog's day.
Groundhog's day.
The day after my birthday.
Nuff said about that.
This is Housing Notebook coming up next on WBAI-FM.
The time is 9pm.
Paint peeling off the wall.
Dirt piling in the hall.
Ice on the pipes but no steam at all.
Land low, land low, low down riding.
Good for nothing.