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And it's just about 8 o'clock.
You're listening to radio station WBAI in New York.
And it being Tuesday night, that means it's time for Off the Hook.
And if you listen very carefully, you can hear in the distance our theme is being played at an incredibly fast speed,
so what we're going to do is play it in the other machine,
and hopefully it hasn't been damaged by that traumatic experience.
It's Off the Hook.
Ironically, the program about technical foul-ups and blunders and things like that.
Never the result of human error.
Never the result of human error.
But in the subject of the show,
The subject of humans, there's quite a few of them out there,
and they're targeting all kinds of computers, causing all kinds of mayhem and mischief.
Here's a couple of stories.
The U.S. Defense Department was targeted last month in a massive cyber attack
that hit more than 600 computer systems.
A specialized publication reported on Friday, citing an FBI official.
An FBI watch center that specializes in computer crimes was alerted to the attack,
which occurred two weeks ago, and notified its 56 FBI offices around the country,
according to the publication known as Inside Defense Information and Electronics.
They were able to stop it before any great damage was done, according to Teresa McClurg,
a computer scientist with the center.
She was quoted as saying that this week at a conference in McLean, Virginia.
It was primarily aimed at DOD systems and a small number of others.
Of course, there's no details in that story whatsoever.
It's just what exactly they're talking about.
They say, basically, it's somebody tried to hack them 600 times, and we believe it.
Fascinating.
Well, here's a story about the consequences of that kind of behavior.
Actually, not even that kind of behavior.
If University of Iowa President Mary Sue Coleman's email password was something obvious like herky,
it's not what allowed UI freshman Joseph Hensel to read her private messages.
Hensel, who will be charged with 2,389 charges of electronic eavesdropping,
including reading Coleman's mail,
did not crack passwords in order to gain access to the personal accounts,
according to personal computer services manager Christine Prouretz.
Hensel discovered a way to exploit a bug in a command in a software program.
The intrusion was detected by security measures.
The incident involves software that comes with the system when you buy it.
There was no evidence any account or password was compromised.
Now, nobody in their right mind really thinks that this guy read 2,389 different pieces of email,
but the way this has been unfolded, it appears to be exactly what happened.
In addition to the eavesdropping charges,
Hensel will also be charged with three counts of criminal trespassing
and three counts of criminal mischief.
It's just unbelievable.
Of course, he can get all kinds of penalties for 2,389 counts of electronic eavesdropping.
I somehow think the people prosecuting don't really understand what it is they're talking about anymore.
In a high security complex laden with computers,
the United States Air Force is doing battle with silent and invisible enemies
that many fear could wreak havoc on the country's security without ever firing a shot.
The foes include computer hackers or others
who aim to penetrate or destroy computer systems and databases
that are the technological backbone of the U.S. military
and make it the most powerful in history.
Yes, computer hackers sit around aiming to penetrate
and or destroy computer systems and databases.
That's what it's all about.
Stories like this get printed and they become gospel.
This comes from the Christian Science Monitor.
The formation of the squadron underscores a growing apprehension
in the American defense establishment.
The concern is that military computers,
as well as the systems that run vast portions of the country's communications,
power, and commercial infrastructure,
may be susceptible to attack by foreign powers.
All hackers, incidentally, are in the pocket of foreign powers.
Just figured we'd add that in.
There, and here we go again.
Here we go again.
There are already ample grounds for concern.
This is the story from the Christian Science Monitor.
Experts point out that in 1995,
the Defense Department detected at least 250,000 efforts
to hack into its databases.
Many, I believe, to have been successful.
Now, we spent a good deal last year talking about that 250,000 figure
and it turns out it was internal.
It was the Defense Department testing itself
and a number of times it was able to succeed.
It basically sort of ballooned that out and said,
well, there must be this many real people trying
if we were able to do it this many times.
And now, look, it's gospel.
This is the truth.
It's fact.
250,000 fictitious people someplace were trying to get in.
It's unbelievable.
It just keeps happening.
Almost makes you think that the media just isn't as sharp
as we give them credit for.
I don't know.
How about this one?
Terrorists target the net.
Yes.
This from some zine someplace called TechWire.
God knows where that comes from.
Something on the Internet.
Terrorist groups are looking to launch net-based attacks
on the computer networks of governments and businesses.
According to speakers at an international security conference
in Brussels last Thursday.
I think I know what conference this was.
I think I know.
This is the one that cost something like $1,200 to get into?
Yeah, I think so.
And they had like a couple of pseudo-hackers there too
that supposedly were going to talk about
what real hacking is all about.
Undoubtedly, this is the kind of thing that was said there.
Terrorist groups are likely to use the Internet increasingly
to raise funds and disseminate propaganda and misinformation
because the Internet gives terrorists a way
to get their message heard across the world
and to share information on a worldwide basis.
Of course, I'm reading this from someone
who wanted to get this message heard across the world
and share it on a worldwide basis.
And they succeeded because, look at me,
I'm reading it over the radio.
Organizations such as the Irish Republican Army
and the Lebanese-based Hezbollah fundamentalist group
already have webpages.
Webpages, can you imagine that?
Hezbollah with webpages.
Oh, boy.
Where supporters can access documents
and communicate with militants through email.
That's right.
They're not blowing things up.
They're sitting in front of terminals now communicating.
But some of these groups are looking at more sinister uses for the net.
The next step.
Oh, I won't tell you what the next step is.
That's a trade secret.
We can't tell you that.
All right, no, I will.
That's what they said at this $1,200 conference,
so I guess we sort of have to tell you.
The next step, which some terrorist organizations
are already considering,
is to use the net to launch information warfare attacks.
Here we go again.
Anytime you hear information warfare,
that's this phrase that was coined by, you know,
about three people in the world,
and they all have something to sell
that goes along with this quote-unquote information warfare.
It's interesting how that particular phrase
has become used in the halls of Congress,
how everybody now talks about information warfare
and how it has to be battled.
All kinds of weirdness.
I think this is part of information warfare.
It's very subtle.
Anyway, information warfare involves monitoring
or crippling an enemy's IS.
Yes, and communications infrastructure,
using techniques ranging from hacking through wiretapping
to the physical destruction of computers and networks.
Attacking computer systems rather than physical targets
has several advantages for terrorist groups.
These attacks would cause economic damage
while allowing less chance of capture than planting a bomb.
They could generate good publicity.
The skills needed for the attack can be bought from hackers.
Oh yeah, no problem.
We sell these kind of things all the time.
And a threat of these attacks could be used
to extort money from potential victims.
One of the IRA websites has a discussion thread
in which they are openly discussing
the way in which the IRA could use information warfare
to attack the British establishment.
The tools for them to use are out there on the internet.
All they have to do is download them.
This type of terrorism could happen
in two or three years' time.
I'll tell you, you know,
if taking down a website is an alternative
to blowing up a bus,
I guess it's a close call
in the eyes of the government.
But we'll keep you updated
as we sell more bits of information
to terrorist groups all around the world.
Okay, now, a couple of fun facts.
First of all, Fiber Optic is not here this week.
He is away on assignment.
We can't say where he's away on assignment to,
but that's because of the nature of the assignment.
But he is away on assignment.
And he won't be reporting back
until he has something to report back.
Probably next week, though.
But we do have some technological advances
that we wish to share with the folks.
First of all, some personal news.
News of a personal nature.
I found out today that I'm one of the few.
Last week I was talking about this.
I was talking about the whole digital satellite thing, DSS.
I found out that I can actually get it this week.
Had somebody come out and take a look
and see if all the buildings and trees
and other objects were causing too much of blockage.
And just barely, just barely was I able to clear the mess
and have an actual view of a satellite.
So that means, if I choose to do this,
that I'll be able to get all these incredible channels
of home shopping and sports and test patterns
and all the other neat things that are so in vogue these days.
And if that's the case, of course,
we'll have to figure out a way to play around with those things.
See just what you can do with them.
See if there's ways around various security systems
and things like that.
And of course, we'll be sharing whatever information we find.
Now, the other big technological advance is DVD,
which we've been talking about here for quite some time.
Digital, versatile disc.
And we started talking about this last year
and we made some phone calls this year.
And when we did that,
we talked to a few people at various stores
who had no idea what we were talking about at all.
No idea.
And now everybody knows about it.
You go into certain record stores,
you see DVD displays.
People actually...
I bet if we called Radio Shack now,
they would know what we were talking about
if we asked if they had DVDs.
Unbelievable.
Well, let's read a couple of things
from this Sony DVD pamphlet.
As the original CD created a revolution in audio,
DVD is destined to set new standards
for both home video and multimedia.
Nearly 133 minutes of full motion video
on a single-sided disc.
And they can be double-sided.
Picture quality that approaches
the D1 studio production standard.
Over 500 lines of horizontal picture resolution.
Choice of PCM stereo sound
or Dolby Digital multi-channel surround sound.
supports letterbox, pen, and scan,
or 16x9 formats.
And features up to 8 language soundtracks
and 32 subtitles.
DVD will also support
other new creative applications in the future,
such as the ability to view scenes
shot at multiple camera angles.
Dual-layer single-sided discs
that provide more than 12 times
the capacity of current CDs.
And recordable, rewritable,
and high-definition media.
Like CD, DVD is 120 millimeters in diameter
and 1.2 millimeters thick.
Like CD, DVD offers instant random access
that no tape format can match.
Like CD, DVD is highly durable
and tolerant of dirt, dust, and fingerprints.
DVD can hold 4.7 gigabytes of data per layer
compared to 680 megabytes of data on a CD.
And for even greater storage capacity,
DVD offers dual-layer and double-sided disc options.
Each DVD disc is composed of
two 0.6 millimeters substrates
that have been bonded together
to improve rigidity.
Amazing.
Well, we have on the phone with us
2600 correspondent Scott Skinner
who actually has moved into the world of DVD,
has experienced this firsthand.
I have to admit, I talk a lot about it,
but I'm afraid to actually take that step
and play around with it.
Scott, you've actually experienced this,
have you not?
Hi, yes.
Hi, good evening, Emmanuel.
How you doing?
Now, tell us,
is it every bit as good as they say it is?
Yes.
Yeah.
I guess I should just begin with my qualifications.
I'm basically a guy
who hangs out with other guys
who enjoy DVD players.
And what they do is they buy them
and test them and return them
to buy others to test those
to return those in turn.
So I've had the chance to sort of see two of them,
the two most popular models on the market right now,
which is the Sony,
the one you just were reading about,
and the Panasonic model.
Uh-huh.
And the first time I,
the first one we saw, the Panasonic,
I was actually disappointed
because there was a lot of,
there's a lot of things going on
that we didn't understand at first.
For instance,
some of the fade-outs looked horrible
and there was,
the picture quality wasn't that,
wasn't as good as it should have been.
And it later turned out
that it has a lot to do with
what sort of TV you're using it with
and how you're feeding the signals into the TV.
So later on when those problems were corrected,
it was like,
it was what we were expecting basically.
I don't know about you, Emmanuel,
but I've been sort of waiting for this
to come around for like 10 or 15 years.
I've been waiting a lot longer than that.
I've known that something is wrong
with the way we currently view things on TV
and on videotapes.
I knew there had to be something better.
I knew back in the 80s
when they had,
when the best you could buy
was basically a LaserDisc.
And anyone just looking at a LaserDisc back then
knew that something was wrong.
Yeah, it's too big.
This was not the way.
It's too big.
It looks too much like those outdated records
and it just isn't right.
And so we waited and waited
and finally those smart people in Japan
or whatever,
they created the technology.
I guess in America as well.
Well, the people in America
are trying to keep that technology
from being too free and open
and trying to figure out ways
of preventing things from being copied
and freely distributed.
I think as usual,
how it works is
we usually pioneer the technology
and then Japan does something useful with it.
Well, I'm not sure exactly
how we trace the lineage of this thing,
but what I'm most interested in right now
is what's it like
to actually play around with these things?
What can you do?
What can you not do?
Okay, well,
the first thing you'll,
it really depends on
how good your system is.
The video is obviously much better
than anything you've ever experienced.
It has 500 raster lines.
It's greater saturation, dynamic range.
But apart from that,
the audio is even better.
The problem is in order
to take advantage of the audio,
you need to have
a very nice surround sound setup
to handle the Adobe Digital
or AC3
or whatever method you're going to use.
We're going way beyond stereo now.
We're talking about six channels of sound.
So you're completely surrounded by sound
and it's nothing less
than a theater experience.
And in some ways,
it's better than a theater.
And it almost makes the screen,
because you're probably using this
with, say,
a 27-inch monitor television or less,
it sort of dwarfs the screen
when you're experiencing the full sound.
Sort of like the screen
doesn't match what you're hearing.
It's too small.
You're expecting, like,
a large screen
or filling up the entire wall.
But if you are just using,
obviously,
a regular TV,
you're not going to get
everything out of it
that you should.
But in terms of the picture quality,
things you can do,
the nicest thing about it is,
number one,
just knowing
that when you play this DVD
over and over again,
there's no loss in quality.
Unlike a VHS,
where every time you play it,
you're basically killing the tape.
Right.
And you're not getting the same picture.
It's more like a CD now.
It's exactly like a CD.
When you buy the individual movies
that you see in the stores right now,
they're all indexed
in different ways.
They have,
let's call them tracks,
much like a music CD has tracks.
And you can skip ahead instantly
to different parts of the movie.
Sometimes the indexes make sense
and sometimes they don't.
You can also program your own.
So if you want to give a demonstration,
you can just set up your own track
and go right to that area of the movie.
And you can even set up two points
and have it loop automatically,
which is kind of nice.
So they're all nice digital features like that.
But they don't yet have a system
where you can actually write yourself.
You can record over.
They don't have that yet, do they?
No.
I don't.
My understanding is
there's nothing commercially available
and certainly not for the average consumer
that can record DVD to DVD.
There are no DVD burners yet,
but that's on the horizon.
That's about one year away
or maybe one and a half years away.
And of course, like everything else,
it's going to come out
and being very expensive
and then it'll probably go down after a while
just as DVD players will.
Anyway, the features also include
what they claim about the language
is totally true.
You can have things like
you can be hearing French
with German subtitles, for example,
which is just like, you know,
at the touch of the button,
you can just change from one to another.
So you can actually have different dubbing
and you can have different subtitles.
Exactly.
And it's great for learning languages,
although the subtitles, you know,
may not be exactly what they're saying,
but it's interesting to hear it
and see it on the screen.
What about the different camera angles?
Have they introduced that yet?
No, they haven't.
I haven't seen anything like that.
I do know that that's a possibility
and they've been talking about that for a while.
I don't believe there's anything
commercially available right now
to really show off that feature.
And I'm not sure if that's a software feature
or something in the hardware.
So I really don't know too much about that.
How about other uses for DVDs,
such as for audio, DVD, ROM, that kind of thing?
Right now, you should be careful
about what you buy
because not all DVD players
will play, for instance,
CD-Rs, recordable CD discs.
That's an important distinction.
Now, I think we should point out to people
what is the difference
between a CD-R and a CD-ROM.
Okay.
A lot of people don't even know
there is a difference.
Yeah.
CD-ROM is, of course,
a CD for your computer
that holds data.
And a CD-R is a blank, recordable CD
in which you can put anything,
be it data or music.
And you sort of have to decide,
or actually you can do both now.
And indeed, you can go to the record stores
and you can buy...
See, that distinction is almost being blurred now
by the industry
because you can go into, say, HMV or someplace
and you can buy a CD
that's basically an audio CD,
but you can pop it into your computer too
and then you can see videos of the bands.
So they do various tricks to get that to work.
And so that distinction is being blurred as well.
But right now,
the Sony DVD player
will read just about everything,
CD-Rs including.
So you can play a CD...
You can put a CD-ROM on there.
You're not going to see anything.
I'm not sure how it handles that
because obviously it's data meant
for a specific machine,
a specific computer.
But the audio CDs,
all your audio CDs will work.
So you can pop in your audio CD
and basically use your DVD player
as a CD player as well.
So that's nice.
The ones in the future
will read every format.
If it's the same size
and it's a disc,
it will read it and play it
or do something with it.
Well, I kind of wonder
why they didn't start out that way.
I'm not sure either.
The Sony will read CD-Rs
and the Panasonic won't.
And I think it's just
probably just different chips,
different manufacturers' priorities
in trying to get the product out
versus features.
Okay.
And as far as getting the product out,
what is out there right now?
They're pretty good.
I would say they're expensive,
but for what you get,
it's nice.
The Sony is the better of the two.
And there's more than two,
but those are, I think,
the two best-selling units right now.
The Sony has better built-in circuitry
to handle the video.
So it sort of has algorithms
that make the video look a lot better
than the Panasonic.
And you notice a difference on the screen.
And there are other differences, too,
just in terms of the features
and how it handles certain things,
how it handles upgrading
to even better audio
than AC3 and digital Dolby.
In the future,
they'll have a 7- to 12-channel audio,
if you can imagine that.
You know,
I basically,
I'm not even quadraphonic.
I have stereo,
and that's about it.
And now we're talking about
12 channels of sound.
So, I mean,
I couldn't even find 12 parts of my room
to put these things.
It's getting a bit ridiculous.
Yeah.
Definitely.
And in the future,
they're going to have,
hopefully,
the ability to hold
more than one DVD in a unit.
So you'll have sort of like
carousel DVD units.
That's what I'm waiting for, actually.
Something that'll hold,
say, 100 DVDs,
and you can just switch between them
as easily as you do with CDs.
Do you think it's ever going
to reach the stage
where you go and see a film
in a theater,
and instead of having
the reels of film,
they actually have
a little tiny DVD
showing you the picture?
Probably not.
The reason being is because
the DVD for all they claim
as being very close
to the D1 standard,
it's compressed video.
It's MPEG-2 compressed video,
and so you're not getting
the true video
that you would in a film.
And you would probably
start to notice
a lot of that,
a lot of video artifacts,
and you would start
to notice the limitations
of the machine
once you blew it up
to the size
of a standard cinema screen.
And you'd start
to see things
that would indicate
that this was not
coming from film.
Okay, let's speak
to those video files
out there that have
their huge screen TVs
that fill up a wall
of their homes.
Is this something
that they're going
to notice?
This is what they've
been waiting for.
Okay, but will they
notice some sort of...
What they'll notice
is a huge improvement
over what they're
using right now.
Even if their screen
is huge?
Yeah, because if their
screen is huge right now,
they're using,
at best,
a laser disc player.
Okay.
And this is an
improvement over that.
So it can only
get better for them.
Right.
Will they see
anything at all?
If you stand
close enough,
you might be able
to see...
You will see,
in fact,
you'll start
to see banding
and you'll start
to see certain
artifacts,
video artifacts.
If you stand
a reasonable distance
away,
it should all
blend in
and you wouldn't
notice that.
Up to a certain
point,
you will notice that
and you'd have
to stand farther
away.
So that's
the trade-off.
How is such
things as freeze
frames,
skipping ahead?
Oh, beautiful.
Yeah, you can
even do things
like slow-mo
backwards,
which is a trick
that some very
expensive high-end
VHS players do
with flying tape
heads,
but this is
really much nicer.
It's interesting.
They had
difficulty trying
to get
fast-forwarding
to preview
the same way
we're used to
previewing it
on a VHS
VCR.
They've managed
to do that
admirably,
more so on
the Sony
than the
Panasonic.
You can do
all sorts of
things.
As I was
saying before,
you can set
up two points
and loop
endlessly
between them.
You can
go backwards,
forwards,
very fast,
very slow,
skip instantly
to another
indexed track,
all sorts of
things like
that.
But you can't
copy anything.
Yeah,
that's the thing.
Now,
if you play
this thing,
are you
telling me
you can't
record onto
a tape
from DVD?
That's right.
Right now,
they use,
and that was
actually one
of the things
that held up
the release
of these units.
They were
concerned about
copy protection.
Basically,
people,
say,
renting a DVD
for a night
and hooking
it up to
their VCR
and then
recording the
movie,
and then
they have
a nice
copy of
the movie
and other
things I'm
sure they
were worried
about.
They use
two methods,
basically,
something called
pseudo-sync
pulse generation
and color
striping.
What those
things do
is if you
try to
basically hook
this up
to your
VCR
and record
it,
you'll see
a lot of
colored garbage
noise in the
middle of your
set,
which is sort
of like if you
try to get
cable without a
cable decoder,
that sort of
thing.
You'll see a
pulsing going
from dark to
bright,
pulsing light
going on and
off.
Together,
those two
things make
it so that
it's not worth
viewing,
let alone
copying.
As far as the
audio is
concerned,
you get none
of that.
That's not
going to work
either.
I think they're
expending a
little bit too
much effort
into this
because obviously
if you record
something onto
a tape from
a DVD,
it's not going
to look as
good.
You're going
to get all
kinds of
degradation.
If the DVD
is cheap
enough,
and they are
pretty cheap
now,
it's only about
$20,
people will
want to buy
them the
original,
get the
packaging,
all that
kind of
thing.
They don't
really have
to put all
that much
effort into
this copy
protection scheme
if they make
the original
worth it.
I agree.
I don't see
the point
because I
think it's
sort of like
who goes out
there and
I'm sure
there are a lot
of people who
still use tapes
instead of
buying CDs,
but I don't
think they're
losing any
money from
hundreds of
thousands of
people renting
CDs from the
library and
making tape
copies.
No,
exactly.
When cassettes
were first
introduced,
the record
companies went
crazy saying
that everyone
was going to
make tapes of
their records
and that was
going to be
the end of
it.
Of course,
the record
companies have
thrived.
The Hollywood
industry has
thrived after
the introduction
of video
cassettes.
They find a
way to
adapt.
Actually,
people did
do that.
I think it
had less to
do with
trying to get
something out
of nothing
than trying
to make
something,
than trying
to produce
something the
way you
want it.
I myself
used to
record my
own CDs
all the
time because
I wanted
to make
mixtapes
because I
didn't have
the ability
to record
digitally and
make my
own mixes
to take
on the
road.
I know a
lot of
people still
do that.
For tape
players in
a car,
they'll make
their own
mixes.
I don't
see anything
wrong with
that.
I think
possibly the
same thing
might happen
in this
case.
You'll have
people maybe
taking various
things off DVDs
and putting
them on VHS.
The copy
protection schemes
just to go
back to that,
they're in
place,
they work,
but they're
far from
infallible.
I would
venture to
say that
even now
there's
probably
someone out
there selling
some sort
of filtered
box,
a black
box that
you can
put between
your DVD
player and
your VHS
VCR to
cancel out
those pseudo
pulsed
generations and
color striping
and all that
other copy
protection
circuitry.
We'll be
sure to keep
an eye out
for such
mischief and
report it to
the proper
authorities.
We're going
to take some
phone calls if
you want to
stick around
and hopefully
people will
actually talk
about the
subject this
week.
Okay,
great.
212-279-3400
is our phone
number.
We're talking
about DVDs
with 2600
correspondent Scott
Skinner,
who is one
of the,
well, you don't
actually have one
of your own,
do you?
No, I don't.
Pretty much hop
around to
people's houses.
Yeah, I'm a
guy who hangs
out with other
guys who do
this sort of
thing.
I'm fortunate
to know them.
But my purchase
is for next
year.
I'm going to
hold out and
I'll let the
more affluent
of us sort
of pave the
way and then
next year I'll
choose the best
from what's out
there.
Right, learn from
other people's
mistakes.
That's how it
works.
Exactly.
Okay, 212-279-3400
is take a couple
of phone calls,
see who's out
there.
Good evening,
you're on the
air.
Oh, yes.
I just wanted
to comment about
the current
discussion.
Even though
there's been
enormous advances
in the recording
technology, the
quality of the
picture on the
screen is still
limited by our
generation-old TV
technology.
That is the
number of pixels
on the screen
of a standard
color TV set.
And I wonder
if you have any
information about
when that is
going to improve
to accommodate
the new
recording technology.
I believe he's
talking about
NTSC versus
PAL, is that
right?
Yes, right.
NTSC versus
anything.
And also the
actual screen
itself.
Right.
I've heard rumors
that this
Christmas they're
going to start
producing TVs.
See, the whole
thing is colliding
with high-definition
TV, which is
sort of the next
big thing to hit
us.
And that still
hasn't been
resolved.
But ideally,
they'll start to
have sets.
Like right now,
you can buy
a television that
has 400 raster
lines as opposed
to the standard
300.
And that's a
slight improvement.
And they tend
to call those
monitors instead
of TVs.
The way to get
around it, if you
want to take full
advantage of the
500 raster lines and
all that good stuff
in the DVD, is to
basically hook this
up to nothing less
than a computer
monitor, which you
can do.
On the more
expensive DVD
players, they have
composite RGB
out, which goes
right into your
17-inch monitor or
your 21-inch monitor.
And presto, you
now have perfect
500 raster lines, the
best quality you can
get.
If this were a
perfect world,
high-definition TV
would consist of
nothing less than
the standard that's
already been adopted
by the computer
industry.
But I have a
feeling we're going
to end up with
something less than
that, which is
unfortunate, because
it would be nice to
be able to, in the
future, just, say,
attach something to
your pre-existing
monitors at home and
have TV.
Unfortunately, they're
going to give us
something less than
that.
And that's
unfortunate.
The computer
industry has been
trying to fight
that.
Yes.
And what about
those wide TVs,
those extra wide
TVs?
I don't know
anything about
that.
I haven't heard
anything about
that.
The screens, yes.
Well, this is a
fascinating show.
Thank you for
bringing this
technology to the
public and making
it available.
Otherwise, it's not
available.
Okay, well, thanks.
Okay.
I think he might
think that we
invented it, but
I'll take credit
for that, sure.
I think by the
extra wide TV, he
meant high-definition
TV, right?
Oh, I guess.
Extra wide, so I
think that's the
same thing.
Okay, 212-279-3400.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello?
Yes, speak up.
Yes, Emmanuel?
Yes, go ahead.
My name is Joe
Fradella.
My daughter was on
the air with you
about a month and
a half regarding a
9X problem.
I know it's off the
subject.
I'm looking for
sanity at this point.
Looking for
sanity, okay.
Looking for
sanity.
Did you receive
that email?
Actually, I received
so many emails, I
can't remember this
one off the top of
my head.
What exactly are
we referring to?
All right.
This is the one
with the person
who's disconnecting
us, making calls
all over the
world.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
I think I remember.
It was about a
month ago you
called in.
My daughter did,
yes.
Yeah, okay.
And followed
through.
I think we heard
you in the
background.
Yes, you did.
You did.
I remember that
now.
That was part of
the problem.
9X has bowed
out.
The entire system
has bowed out.
We've come to
an impasse at
this point because
since they have
bowed out and
the system has
bowed out, our
problems have been
exacerbated.
I'm looking for
sanity.
I have to find out
how this is being
done.
9X is evasive.
They've stopped
all investigations.
They refuse to be
cooperative.
Okay, you see, the
thing is, the thing
is, all you have
to do, all you are
required to do is
show that it wasn't
you or anybody in
your house, and I
think that's easy
enough to prove by
simply saying where
you are at the time
the calls were made
and being able to
prove that, and it's
up to 9X to prove
the opposite.
Now, they're not
doing that, so you
have to take it to a
higher authority.
You have to take it
to a public service
commission or one of
these big media type
things that swoop down
on the big corporations
and make them cover up
the camera with their
hands.
That's the kind of
attention they don't
want.
WABC has turned it
down.
2020, I mean, I'm
a college-educated
professional for 31
years.
I mean, I'm not
there to disprove
hackers to support or
rebut anything they
do.
We've gone to the
point where we have
gone through this
entire system, the
FCC, the Attorney
General, the
District Attorney,
that's our District
Attorney, had traps
on our phones for
two months, two
months, and they
trapped all the calls
coming from four
different people,
three of which, three
of whom were not
even home.
This technology
involves the ability
for this person to
hop on a line, make
phone calls, as if
the phone calls was
coming from the line
he hops on.
I just...
I mean, there are
ways of doing that,
you know, ranging from
hopping onto the
telephone pole, going
to someone's basement,
or even being a phone
company employee.
That's possible, too.
How do you make a
9X tape?
How do you make a
9X tape?
How do you...
The tape that comes
on to say such and
such a number in
area code 516 is not
in service right now.
Okay, that's something
that 9X system does
for you.
Right.
If a certain number is
flagged a certain way,
a recording is
generated.
But they're there.
We just left the
home, and yet the
tape says that the
number's not in
service.
Wait a minute, you
are saying this is a
different problem?
This is another phone
problem.
Okay.
Wow.
Okay, so you're
calling someone you
know is there, and
you're getting a
recording saying that
they don't exist.
Yeah, we're getting
the tape saying that
they're not there.
So I would go across
the street to my
mom's house, pick up
the telephone, and
call right through.
Two days later, from
calling across the
street at my mom's
house to try to call
that house, all of a
sudden, the 9X tape
comes on and tells us
the number is not in
service anymore.
It just says it's not
in service?
It says, quote
unquote, such and
such a number in
area called 516 is not
in service anymore.
Okay.
Well, I mean, that
kind of thing does
happen a lot, where
they put the wrong
recording on, or they
disconnect a line for
some reason.
That's just, that's
literally, you know,
inputting certain
keystrokes.
That's all that is.
But I left my mom's
house and went up to
Carmen Avenue, or
Main Avenue near us, and
put a quarter in and
got right through to the
house for a week and
a half.
Same number?
Same number.
So what you're
saying is from
certain numbers, it
doesn't work?
I'm saying that
this person who
has appeared on the
line and threatened
us and told us we're
never going to find
out who he is or how
he's doing this, is
monitoring these lines.
I work at the Nassau
County Correctional
Center.
Actually, hang on one
second.
You say somebody came
on and said that you
never...
Appeared on the line.
This is the first I've
heard this.
Someone actually
identified themselves
and said...
They did not
identify themselves.
I mean, they said
that they exist and
that they're the ones
doing this.
Yes, sir.
Not only would
they not find out
who he was or how
he was doing it, but
now the rest of my
family would have
problems.
Appears online, burps,
scrapes things across
the phone, hangs up,
disconnects us.
All right?
Now, when I went up to
that pay phone on
Carman Avenue and put
the quarter in, it
worked for a week until
that 9X tape came on
again saying the number
wasn't in service
anymore, but I went
around the corner
immediately and put a
quarter in a different
zone and I got right
through.
There's only so much
we can do here.
I mean, we can certainly
sound this out and talk
about this a lot, but if
you want actual results,
you need to get this out
to the public and start
making recordings of
what's going on.
I don't know why ABC
didn't want the story,
but I guarantee you
there is...
Of all the TV stations
we have around here,
someone's going to jump
on this, especially if
you have evidence in
the form of a tape or
something, you show that
to them and you play
that for them.
I think they'll jump at
it.
I think it'll be an
interesting story because
it sounds like somebody
has some sort of a
vendetta against you and
they're into the phone
system in some way and
they're controlling
things.
And that's the kind of
story that they kind of
jump on.
Listen, sir, we have to
move on to another call,
but best of luck to you.
Keep us updated, will you?
All right.
Listen, Manny, one more
favor, please.
If you have any input from
any of your listeners who
are having the same
problems, you have my
address and everything in
that email.
Okay.
Thank you very much, sir.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
If anyone has any
information or hints or if
you yourself are doing
something like that, please
let us know and we'll try
to help this person.
I've heard this kind of
story many times, so it's
not an isolated instance.
You know, there's all kinds
of potential havoc you can
wreak with the phone
system.
Right, Scott?
Absolutely.
Yeah, okay.
Let's go back to the phones.
212-279-3400.
We are talking about DVDs,
so don't let that fool you.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Speak up and turn down
your radio.
Hey.
Yes, what's up?
Okay.
Basically, last week, I
think it was, you were
talking a lot about, you
know, caller ID and
whatnot.
Uh-huh.
So I called you the 2600
Voice VBS.
Yes.
Right?
I do the caller ID thing,
and basically it said that my
phone, you can't give you a
number, and my aunt, she's
got caller ID too, right?
Uh-huh.
And every time I call her,
my phone doesn't show up,
so, like, what's the deal?
Why does this happen?
Okay, what was the exact
message that you got when
you tried to get your
number?
I said, like, um, I think...
It was either blocked or
it's not available.
Which was it?
I think it was not
available.
Okay, what that means,
where are you calling from?
What area are you?
Uh, 516.
516?
Yeah.
What town?
Oceanside.
Oceanside.
Um, you know, it's possible
you might be, I mean, it's
hard to believe, but there
might actually be an area
still on Long Island that
doesn't...
Are you allowed to have
things like caller ID?
Yeah, we are.
A lot of people around me
have it.
Well, it's possible...
You were just dialing
regular seven-digit number,
right?
You weren't riding through
a long-distance call?
Yeah, I didn't do star
six-seven.
I didn't do nothing.
Okay, you just dialed
direct.
It sounds to me...
Have you tried this more
than once?
Um, well, I haven't tried
it on the BBS, but I...
My aunt's out every time I
call there, and, like,
other people.
Uh-huh.
Well, try it a few more
times with the BBS, but what
I suspect is happening is
that 9X, for some reason,
isn't passing the data
along.
Um, I don't know if
they're not supposed to,
if it's not cut in yet.
It should be.
I mean, do you live in,
like, an old area that...
No, and, like, most...
All our pay phones are,
like, totally hooked up
because we have a lot of
freaks around here, so,
like, our phone system's
totally updated.
Right.
It sounds like 9X messed
something up somewhere
along the lines, and they
can test this, too.
You can call them and...
I don't want them to
change it.
Well, okay, if you don't
want them to change it,
then, you know, it's just
kind of interesting.
You can use it to your
advantage, I guess.
Yeah.
Can people star 6ix9ine you?
Did you try that?
Um, I don't think so.
I should try that, yeah.
Call your aunt and see
if she, you know, star 6ix9ine
works in two ways now.
Either it'll ring directly
or it'll announce your
number before it actually
rings it.
Yeah.
And if that works, that
tells you at least, you
know, part of the system
is working.
Your number's being
transmitted in some way,
but not through caller ID.
But again, this, relating
to the show that we did
last week, that had to do
with Omnipoint phones and
how there's a little
hidden thing that they
don't tell you about
where if you leave
somebody a voicemail
message, your number
will be transmitted using
a technology known as
A&I.
And even out there in
Oceanside, your number
would definitely be
transmitted because A&I
does not discriminate by
type of switch or
anything like that.
So if you were to call
someone on an Omnipoint
phone, I think the way
it would work, their
number would, your
number would not show
up, it might show no
number at all on their
phone.
But then, when it
went to voicemail, it
would get your number
through A&I and it
would definitely get it.
Yeah, it's kind of
wacky.
Okay.
Well, listen, good luck
with that.
Let us know what
happens.
Thanks for calling.
And, of course, the
important thing about
that Omnipoint thing is
that even if you block
your number, star six,
seven, it doesn't make
any difference.
Your number will get
sent.
It's not something to
be very careful about.
212-279-3400.
Be nice if somebody else
talked about DVDs
tonight.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hi, Emmanuel.
Hey, how'd you get
over there?
How'd I get on?
Oh, I don't know.
You see, you're supposed
to be over on this
button here.
Oh, I am.
And, yeah, somehow you
wound up.
That's not your button.
You want to try calling
again and get on your
button here?
Because I'm calling from
location here again.
You're calling from the
location?
In Manhattan.
Ah.
Uh-huh.
I wanted to mention
something.
I'm not sure what that
means.
Oh, wait a minute.
You're not calling from
that place you keep
telling people to call
from for nothing.
No, no, no.
That place is close
to the five.
Okay, yeah.
I figured as much.
I wanted to talk
about...
Because that wouldn't
be a smart thing to do.
Right.
I'm listening to you
on my work, and I
notice that when I walk
in the street, it mixes
in with other radio
stations.
I can't...
I get, like, a low
static, but...
Well, you have to walk
right in the middle of
the street in order to
do that, to get it
real...
No, no.
I'm sorry.
Don't listen to me.
I'm just in a bad mood.
But when I'm inside a
restaurant or inside a
building, it works.
Why is that?
It depends on a lot of
things.
You know, it depends on
where you are in
relation to the Empire
State Building.
No, I'm on 23rd Street
and 7th Avenue.
Right now at this
moment?
Yes.
Okay, everybody.
You know what to do.
Yes.
Well, again, it depends
on all kinds of things.
Such as buildings, you
know, getting in the
way, creating ghosts, all
kinds of multi-paths.
Or creating other
stations cutting into
99.5?
All kinds of things.
The quality of your
Walkman.
There's millions of
ways of getting
interference on an FM
signal.
Trust me.
I know about this.
Okay, now I'm inside a
building.
I'm inside a diner.
Right.
And it works fine.
When I go inside a
building, it works fine.
Why is that?
It depends, you know, on
where the building is,
where you are in the
building.
It depends on all kinds
of things as far as the
antenna strength.
I mean, if you move
around, and I can tell you
this because there's
certain stations,
especially pirate
stations that you try to
get in certain parts of
the town, you have to
move the antenna all over
the place in order to
pick it up.
It depends on all kinds
of things as far as
line of sight.
FM is primarily line of
sight.
I'm 10 blocks from the
antenna.
Why?
If you drive right past
the Empire State Building,
you won't get any radio
station because while
you're one block away,
you're not line of sight
of the transmitter, which
is 100 floors up.
I see.
And also, I'd like to
tell you that this DVD
thing, I was going to
say something about the
DVD thing.
I'm sure you were.
Yeah.
I wanted to, it would be
good to record.
I mean, you have CDRs
where you can record on
the CD thing, CD
burners, and why can't
they have burners for
like DVD burners, so
like you could take
their tapes and so that
you could make your own
CDs.
I think that's the
intention, is it not,
Scott?
Right.
There will be.
You just have to wait.
Yeah, just be a little
patient there.
Now, in terms of the
person...
I think you just went
into overtime, didn't
you?
Well, I'm going to
deposit a dime.
Okay.
The person...
Oh, did you get my
email with that
Bernie S thing?
No, in fact, I get
many pieces of email,
but I did not see one
from you, I don't think,
unless you sent it
while I was here.
No, I sent it like
last week.
It was a...
Actually, yeah, I
sent it last week, and
it was a big WAV file,
but...
Hold on, please.
I can't say sure.
Excuse me.
You better listen to her.
You better listen to her
because she can
terminate you.
Hold on, hold on.
She can terminate you
without a second thought.
Well, okay.
You hear the red button?
I heard it loud and
clear.
Okay.
But she's still not
satisfied.
I'm afraid.
Well, all right, I'm
still here.
Okay.
I sent you a one
megabyte file, a sound
file.
I hope you got it.
Well, this is really
not of interest to the
millions of people
listening now, is it?
Now, the person who's
listening on Long Island
that has trouble with
their phone thing, maybe
he can email me, maybe
I can help.
You can email me at
rebel at escape dot com.
That's R-E-B-E-L at
sign escape, E-S-C-A-T-E
dot com.
That's a good idea.
Yes.
Okay, why don't you do
that?
And I think we just lost
rebel there.
No, I didn't.
No, you didn't.
I'm still here.
Okay.
I heard a click and I
thought, okay, well.
By the way, the thing on
13th and 2nd, the
payment center, it still
works.
I was there today and,
you know, I called the
Mac Center and told them
and, you know, they don't
even understand.
You know, maybe you
should go down there in
person and try to work
it out with them.
We're going to go to
another phone call.
Thanks very much for
calling up and sharing
that with us.
Now, let's go to the
line that he was
supposed to be on.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yeah, speak up.
Okay, well, I guess the
rebel line is cursed no
matter where you go.
Let's try this one.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yeah, this is about the
DVD scenario.
Oh, splendid.
Go ahead.
Question for Scott.
Hi.
Would a time-based
corrector, I mean a good
one, be able to deal with
whatever they're trying to
spoof the signal with?
I don't think so.
So, and that's because
there's two different
strategies they're using.
So, you're going to have
to do a little bit more
than that.
Actually, what I'm not
really clear on myself is
how and if the audio is
being blocked.
I'm not sure that it is.
I think what they've done
so far is just used this
Monroe copy protection
circuitry, the two methods
I outlined earlier.
I think you'd need to have
a series of filters.
I'm not really sure,
certain myself, but I
think it would take more
than one method to correct
it.
But I do know that the
boxes should be out if
they're not already out
very soon.
And they'll probably be
legal to buy, but not
legal to use.
Just a caveat there for
you.
Well, it comes to worst,
you can always open the
thing up, whip out a
schematic, and sit there
and find out where the
filtering is and start
bypassing it first.
There's actually something
else I've heard.
This may be of interest.
There are certain
monitors that will take
the signal in, and then
they also have outputs.
And those, I've heard,
will also bypass this
copy protection.
Well, I mean, I've
worked with equipment
where it used component
color, and on the
component color, their
filter method wasn't
being used because they
were sort of getting the
raw video.
Right.
And using things like
Ferruger encoders or
whatnot, you reassemble the
signal, and you allow it
to add your own sync, and
you just drop the video
content in, which allows
you to re-record.
Exactly.
Putting your own sync,
and then you know what?
Yeah, by the way, where that
information is coming from,
I've heard it's actually on
the DVD.
The DVD itself doesn't have
any proprietary video
standard.
It's not like it's NTSC
recorded or anything.
But it does come with, I
think, information about
telling sort of the timing
of the pulses and the
color striping.
Because a lot of those
equipment will have test
points that actually have
useful signals on it.
And in the old beta cam
units, we used to pull out
component color by finding
the appropriate test point,
feeding the signal and
re-encoding it, and getting
past some of the, you
remember the old red shift
on the VCR tapes?
Right.
Or it would come out nice
and pink if you were trying
to do a cheapy RF to RF.
But at the video line levels,
by doing some equalization
and some time-based
correcting, and stealing
basically sort of the
pre-filter stages and
bypassing them into another
piece of equipment.
Voila.
Beautiful picture.
Right.
It'd be interesting to see
what the hackers out there
come up with.
And I'm sure it's not going
to take too much.
My guess is a lot of this
protection is just out there
to keep the general public
from taking advantage of
them.
Are you saying they're not
using any special, I mean
they're not using a
particular standard like
PAL or C-CAM or anything
in common?
No, the DVD itself, so far
as I understand this, you
can take a DVD and go to
Europe and put it in their
players and you'll get the
same picture.
And all the circuitry that
handles that is in the
players themselves.
It just sounds like it uses
the same data stream, but
you're using a different
computer to read it.
Right, exactly.
The data's the same on the
DVD, it's just the video.
Oh yeah, but basically
intercept points you'd be
looking for in the United
States would be somehow
where the NTSC encoding is
working.
Right.
One thing I'm curious about
is whether these players
actually have the capability
of going from NTSC to PAL
on the fly.
I think they do, but I
think, my guess is it's in
our own tests, we noticed
that there was sort of like
a menu for it where you
could select, say, NTSC or
PAL or C-CAM, but it
wouldn't let you.
It was like locked on
NTSC.
It might not have the
circuitry.
I mean, they might write
a common piece of, I've
seen this before, they
write a common piece of
software, especially in the
television industry.
I mean, most of the
stuff in the United States
is using what's called the
RS-170A standard.
And a lot of times you'll
see menus where, for
example, a company in
Japan will make it for
actually everybody,
anywhere you want in the
world, and you'll get a
menu, but the actual
hardware can't be
addressed because the
actual module's missing
when you go to it.
The software's smart enough
to know, hey, that
module doesn't exist.
I can't transmit a PAL
signal or a C-cam signal.
Right, certainly.
And also, could it be the
case where the software's
on the chips and the
hardware's there, but they
dumb it down for the
different models?
Yeah, well, I guess you
said probably it's not the
case just because of the
expense involved.
Yeah, the extra hardware
wouldn't be worth it.
They'd probably direct it
at one of each of the
three or four markets.
They might be, you know,
trying to, you know, it
would be cheaper to just
have the drop-in model.
Okay, this is being
exported to the U.S. and
Canada, and this is going,
you know, to Europe or
whatnot.
Right.
It is nice to know that
your DVD is good wherever
you go, so that's something
to, you know, a nice change
from a VHS tape.
Well, that's because the
encoding's right on the
tape.
Now you're going for a
data stream, and you're
just changing the, you're
just having, they're all
using the same reading
technology, and then the
transmit technology, or
they step it up to
whatever television
standard that's local,
it isn't really a big
stretch, right?
Whereas before, they
actually encoded the tape
with the standard, the
NTSC standards encoded on
a VHS tape, which is why
it can't be used
everywhere.
Sierra, Emanuel, this is
the joys of digital.
Yeah, it certainly sounds
like we've moved into a
new era, but thanks so
much for the call, sir.
Okay.
All right, let's see if we
can fit in a couple more
talking about DVDs and the
future of mankind.
Good evening, you're on
the air.
Hello?
Yes, go ahead.
Oh, great.
Before I ask my DVD
question, I did have a
possible suggestion for
that desperate caller
about maybe five minutes
ago.
Okay.
Hopefully, it's something
that can help him, because
it promotes something
else besides WBAI, but
Governor Pataki, for
whatever good this does,
does a live call-in show
called Ask the Governor
every Thursday, which
happens to be two days
from now, by coincidence,
every Thursday of the
month.
It's on CBS AM, and it's
from 7 to 8, and it's an
800 number, 1-800-AM-88-CBS,
and try to be on the phone
at least 659, because it's
very competitive to get
through to him, but at least
you could bring it to him
on statewide radio and
coerce him into...
You think the governor
might step in here?
...coerce him into saying
that he's either going to
do something or give it to
one of the bureaucratic
hierarchies.
Now, my DVD question, I
actually hate television, I
hate movies, because I only
go to Broadway, but I was
interested in the possibility
of 3-D on the horizon, or
at least something
approaching 3-D, and the
only reason I brought that
up is because one of the
networks I've been hearing
over the air was supposed
to have a two-day 3-D
special.
I think it passed, but I
think it was either last
week, maybe Thursday and
Friday, they were going to
be doing three hours each of
so-called 3-D shows.
So I am curious about the
possibility of the illusion of
3-D on the horizon.
Wow.
Oh, gosh, that's, I don't
know how much...
Speculatively speaking, I
would just say that I guess
DVD would certainly move in
that direction, just because
anything that's going to
involve three-dimensional
pictures, which will probably
be some sort of holographic
TV system, it's going to
involve a lot of information
that you're going to have to
move really quickly.
So in that respect, I guess
DVDs are a step in that
direction.
They've been trying to push
3-D on us now for about 50
years, and it's never quite,
you know, I mean, IMAX and
all is pretty cool, but, you
know, I don't think it's ever
really going to catch on that
much.
Do you?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think when 3-D becomes what
we expect it to be, which is
basically like the holodeck in
Star Trek, then I think we're
going to catch on real quick.
But if it's going to involve
funny glasses or some helmet
you have to wear, I don't think
anyone's going to go for that.
Can't handle funny glasses.
And it makes you dizzy, too,
after a while.
It's very disorienting.
Those films are only about 30
minutes long.
Right.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello?
Yes, go ahead.
I'm on the air?
You're on the air right now.
Really?
Yes.
I hear it on the radio.
Well, after you hang up the
phone, go to the radio, and
you'll catch the last two
seconds of what you just
said.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
All right.
What about the old VCRs?
Hello, Eric?
Yes, go ahead.
Yeah, the old VCRs.
What's going to happen with
that?
I mean, the old tapes, are we
still going to have that
come, you know, use?
Well, it's interesting.
Emmanuel, have you gone to
the record store lately?
I try to stay away from
them.
Well, if you do, you'll
notice there aren't too many
LPs anymore.
So what's going to happen to
the home recording?
That's going to be a thing of
the past?
No, I think, well, I think
there's such a huge installed
base of VHS equipment that you
have nothing to worry about for
years.
Right.
But just as LPs went the way
of, you know, eventually you're
going to go into a store and it's
going to be DVDs, and
blockbusters will only have
DVDs.
You have nothing to worry
about for years.
I guarantee you.
But ultimately, you're saying
people will not be able to
tape things.
No, that'll always be there,
just as you can go into the
store right now and buy
cassettes to tape stuff.
First of all, you're going to
be able to write to DVDs pretty
soon once the technology is
released.
All right.
Thanks, guys.
Bye.
Okay.
One thing, Emmanuel, if you
have any time, I just want to
mention that another thing
about these DVDs is every movie
is its own proposition, and when
you go and buy a DVD movie,
they're not all going to be as
good as they could be.
It has to do with how they're
made and how much trouble they
took to go from film to DVD.
So you may buy Twister and get
one result, and you'll buy
another movie and get a
completely different result.
So that's something to be aware
of.
I just can't wait until we make
home DVDs, you know?
Yeah.
And they have all different
camera angles and language
translations of your home movies
and things like that.
That's what everyone wants.
The real potential of this
will be realized then.
All right.
We're out of time, but Scott
Skinner, thank you very much
for stopping in.
Hey, thanks for having me.
And saying hi and telling us
all about DVDs and the future
and what we have to look
forward to.
We'll be back again next week
with another edition of
Off the Hook, hopefully
Fiber Optic will be back by
them.
Until then, it's Emmanuel
Goldstein.
Have yourselves good
night.
Stay tuned for Housing
Open.
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