Off The Hook - 1997-09-30
[00:01.410 --> 00:03.950]  [SPEAKER_18]: From 6.30 to 10.30 p.m.
[00:04.090 --> 00:04.810]  [SPEAKER_18]: at the BREC Forum.
[00:05.270 --> 00:10.730]  [SPEAKER_18]: Speakers include economist Ed Boerstein, who worked with Che in Cuba, Magda Enriquez, U.S.
[00:10.870 --> 00:25.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: representative of Nicaragua's FSLN, history professor Gerardo Renique of City University of New York, attorney Michael Ratner, author of the forthcoming book Che and the FBI, and WBAI program director Samari Marksman, host of Behind the News.
[00:25.350 --> 00:29.370]  [SPEAKER_18]: There will also be a number of poets presenting work celebrating the life of Che.
[00:29.770 --> 00:32.450]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's Saturday, October 4th at 6.30 p.m.
[00:32.590 --> 00:36.350]  [SPEAKER_18]: at the BREC Forum, 122 West 27th Street in New York City.
[00:36.650 --> 00:42.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: For more information, call the BREC Forum at 212-242-4201.
[00:42.330 --> 00:46.070]  [SPEAKER_18]: That's 212-242-4201.
[00:50.310 --> 00:53.650]  [SPEAKER_19]: And you're listening to Radio Station WBAI in New York, where it's 8 o'clock.
[00:53.810 --> 00:57.130]  [SPEAKER_19]: Time for an exciting edition of Off the Hook.
[00:58.290 --> 00:59.450]  [SPEAKER_19]: The button doesn't work.
[00:59.650 --> 01:00.110]  [SPEAKER_19]: Can you believe that?
[01:00.170 --> 01:01.110]  [SPEAKER_19]: The button doesn't work.
[01:01.770 --> 01:03.650]  [SPEAKER_19]: Hang on, I have to reach all the way over to the other side of the studio.
[01:06.910 --> 01:07.550]  [SPEAKER_19]: There we go.
[01:09.630 --> 01:11.350]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's why we need to ask for money occasionally.
[01:12.270 --> 01:13.070]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's Off the Hook.
[01:13.410 --> 01:26.730]  [SPEAKER_16]: The telephone keeps ringing So I ripped it off the wall I cut myself while shaving Now I can't make a cough It couldn't get much worse I
[01:32.350 --> 01:34.710]  [SPEAKER_15]: hope that's understood But I'm making it more
[02:26.680 --> 02:28.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[02:28.200 --> 02:29.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: This is Off the Hook.
[02:30.460 --> 02:32.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: And we're broadcasting live.
[02:33.880 --> 02:34.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: Over the radio.
[02:36.020 --> 02:38.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: And over the internet.
[02:39.560 --> 02:41.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: Hello to all you people all around the world.
[02:44.060 --> 02:55.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: Everyone, of course, is welcome to call Country Code 1 If you're outside the country only 212-279-3400 It's Off the Hook.
[02:55.100 --> 03:24.260]  [SPEAKER_00]: We're Ну Nincy The Army is preparing You better be awake Politics are tapping And they don't care Liberty and freedom They don't watch what you say They're gonna lock you up And let you away You're gonna fight the system The battle's not lost You're buying in the system Or the vice Screen chief You gotta fight the system The battle's not lost You're buying in the system Or the vice screen底讲
[03:39.080 --> 03:42.440]  [SPEAKER_00]: The police can't straighten it, they're ready to fight.
[03:42.860 --> 03:46.100]  [SPEAKER_00]: They stand up the trench, you're pounding through the night.
[03:46.660 --> 03:49.680]  [SPEAKER_00]: The ambulance is screaming, he takes away the day.
[03:50.320 --> 03:53.280]  [SPEAKER_00]: Young men on the pavement, turn the bullet in his head.
[03:53.920 --> 03:56.960]  [SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna fight the system, the battle's not lost.
[03:57.300 --> 04:00.400]  [SPEAKER_00]: They're fighting the system, before the fight's not in come.
[04:00.400 --> 04:04.080]  [SPEAKER_00]: They gotta fight the system, the battle's not lost.
[04:04.520 --> 04:07.580]  [SPEAKER_00]: They're fighting the system, before the fight's not in come.
[04:34.090 --> 04:42.490]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, I only hope the day is right around the corner where you can listen to WBAI around the clock on the internet, because it's happening all over the place.
[04:42.630 --> 04:44.690]  [SPEAKER_19]: There's radio stations on the net now around the clock.
[04:45.950 --> 04:48.350]  [SPEAKER_19]: And if we can work it out here, we're certainly gonna do that.
[04:49.070 --> 04:54.810]  [SPEAKER_19]: And that way, when you go off to all different parts of the world, you can bring BAI with you.
[04:56.450 --> 04:56.970]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's right.
[04:57.490 --> 04:58.270]  [SPEAKER_19]: All the time.
[04:58.590 --> 05:04.490]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, this is an interesting edition of Off The Hook, because we'll be getting phone calls, hopefully, from all different parts of the country as well.
[05:04.990 --> 05:12.450]  [SPEAKER_19]: And New York City, which, as many of you know, New York City is facing a crisis with the split of the 2-on-2 area code.
[05:13.430 --> 05:23.430]  [SPEAKER_19]: I didn't expect fighting in the street, but there is fighting in the street, because, apparently, one of the chowder heads in charge was proposing that the east side of Manhattan take on the 7-1-8 area code.
[05:23.530 --> 05:26.070]  [SPEAKER_19]: And that kind of thing just is not gonna fly.
[05:26.250 --> 05:27.170]  [SPEAKER_19]: I could have told them that.
[05:28.170 --> 05:29.870]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, there's negotiations going on.
[05:29.970 --> 05:37.550]  [SPEAKER_19]: The latest I heard was that the State Public Utilities Commission has endorsed the plan for, basically, an overlay.
[05:38.710 --> 05:42.370]  [SPEAKER_19]: What an overlay is, it means that you have two area codes in the same place.
[05:43.170 --> 05:46.050]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, when you're in Manhattan, you could be either 2-on-2 or 6-4-6.
[05:46.290 --> 05:48.570]  [SPEAKER_19]: And if you get a new phone number, you're gonna be 6-4-6.
[05:48.710 --> 05:53.810]  [SPEAKER_19]: But, you know, I've heard a lot of suggestions as to how to deal with this, so these kinds of problems do not happen.
[05:53.810 --> 05:58.530]  [SPEAKER_19]: And I think it's very logical that you use the 2-on-2 area code sparingly.
[05:58.690 --> 06:04.430]  [SPEAKER_19]: You don't give it out to all these PBXs that just have out-dials, you know.
[06:04.630 --> 06:08.110]  [SPEAKER_19]: Let's say you're at, oh, what's a good company?
[06:08.170 --> 06:09.870]  [SPEAKER_19]: Sony World Headquarters in Manhattan.
[06:10.170 --> 06:11.870]  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't even know if Sony World Headquarters is in Manhattan.
[06:12.010 --> 06:14.150]  [SPEAKER_19]: But they've got to have some kind of headquarters of some sort.
[06:14.970 --> 06:16.990]  [SPEAKER_19]: And they make outgoing phone calls.
[06:17.190 --> 06:23.110]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, each one of those phones they use grabs an outgoing tie line or foreign exchange line or whatever.
[06:23.470 --> 06:27.230]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's a phone number that if it shows up in your caller ID and you call it back, it's just gonna ring forever.
[06:27.450 --> 06:28.830]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because it's not really a phone number.
[06:29.370 --> 06:30.490]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's in the 2-on-2.
[06:30.750 --> 06:33.850]  [SPEAKER_19]: Thousands and thousands of numbers are in the 2-on-2 area code that do that kind of thing.
[06:33.930 --> 06:35.130]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's a waste, you know.
[06:35.230 --> 06:38.150]  [SPEAKER_19]: People are willing to fight for the 2-on-2 area code.
[06:38.310 --> 06:43.730]  [SPEAKER_19]: They, I don't know, they should use that kind of thing sparingly.
[06:44.150 --> 06:47.810]  [SPEAKER_19]: I know it sounds silly to be talking about an area code like this, but for God's sake, people, 2-on-2.
[06:48.030 --> 06:50.110]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's like, you know, it's the easiest one to dial.
[06:50.430 --> 06:51.470]  [SPEAKER_19]: There are no easier ones.
[06:51.690 --> 06:52.570]  [SPEAKER_19]: 3-on-2 isn't as easy.
[06:52.670 --> 06:53.630]  [SPEAKER_19]: 2-on-3 isn't as easy.
[06:53.870 --> 06:55.990]  [SPEAKER_19]: And 6-4-6 certainly isn't as easy.
[06:56.690 --> 06:57.090]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[06:57.470 --> 06:58.230]  [SPEAKER_19]: Enough of that.
[06:59.870 --> 07:03.050]  [SPEAKER_19]: We have a bunch of interesting things that have happened this week.
[07:03.310 --> 07:07.910]  [SPEAKER_19]: I guess probably one of the most interesting things is a letter I got in the mail.
[07:08.450 --> 07:09.730]  [SPEAKER_19]: Actually, I got this letter yesterday.
[07:10.350 --> 07:11.950]  [SPEAKER_19]: And it scared the heck out of me.
[07:12.030 --> 07:12.490]  [SPEAKER_19]: It really did.
[07:14.210 --> 07:16.470]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because it came from the National Security Council.
[07:16.650 --> 07:19.790]  [SPEAKER_19]: And as you recall, last week we did this thing about the pagers of the White House.
[07:20.070 --> 07:25.110]  [SPEAKER_19]: So I get this letter from National Security Council, Washington, D.C., official business.
[07:25.270 --> 07:26.690]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's all the return address is.
[07:26.730 --> 07:27.690]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's the whole thing.
[07:29.730 --> 07:31.150]  [SPEAKER_19]: So I open it up.
[07:31.270 --> 07:32.170]  [SPEAKER_19]: And it's a letter.
[07:32.530 --> 07:34.690]  [SPEAKER_19]: And the letter says...
[07:35.210 --> 07:40.410]  [SPEAKER_19]: This is in response to your Freedom of Information Act request dated April 15, 1988.
[07:42.550 --> 07:57.270]  [SPEAKER_19]: Concerning records pertaining to the National Emergency Telephone System and the 710 Area Code, as an organization in the executive office of the president that advises and assists the president, the National Security Council is not subject to the Freedom of Information Act.
[07:57.270 --> 08:05.190]  [SPEAKER_19]: However, the NSC accepts and processes requests from the public and releases information as appropriate on a discretionary basis.
[08:05.850 --> 08:12.350]  [SPEAKER_19]: We have completed a search of our holdings and we are unable to locate any records responsive to your requests.
[08:12.350 --> 08:15.070]  [SPEAKER_19]: Sincerely, Rod Subers, Deputy Director, Access Management.
[08:15.350 --> 08:21.070]  [SPEAKER_19]: It took them over nine years to search their records and discover that they didn't have anything they could help me with.
[08:21.310 --> 08:23.350]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, I'd forgotten about this.
[08:23.470 --> 08:24.670]  [SPEAKER_19]: Nine years of searching.
[08:24.810 --> 08:28.530]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, Reagan was in office when this happened.
[08:28.990 --> 08:29.550]  [SPEAKER_19]: Reagan.
[08:29.850 --> 08:30.750]  [SPEAKER_19]: Not even Bush.
[08:30.890 --> 08:32.150]  [SPEAKER_19]: Bush came and went.
[08:32.710 --> 08:40.430]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, you have to wonder, just like, what kind of fairy tales are going on inside that place?
[08:42.610 --> 08:46.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: Once there was no lady who lived in a show.
[08:46.890 --> 08:50.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: Had so many children, she didn't know what to do.
[08:51.170 --> 08:55.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: Gave them some broad without any breath.
[08:55.530 --> 08:59.350]  [SPEAKER_12]: Bip them soundly and send them to bed.
[08:59.350 --> 09:39.750]  [SPEAKER_12]: Whoa-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh And if
[09:46.050 --> 09:54.630]  [SPEAKER_19]: that is not enough for you, there are some new laws taking effect in this nation of ours.
[09:54.970 --> 10:03.270]  [SPEAKER_19]: In Connecticut, for instance, it's now a crime to jump in a trash bin.
[10:03.270 --> 10:06.130]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, horrors of all horrors.
[10:06.890 --> 10:15.950]  [SPEAKER_19]: It actually... they actually criminalized something that a lot of hackers do to get information.
[10:16.270 --> 10:24.310]  [SPEAKER_19]: Dumpster diving, going through a company's trash to get trade secrets, becomes illegal in Connecticut under trade secret protection laws.
[10:25.290 --> 10:29.250]  [SPEAKER_19]: Victims of dumpster diving will be allowed to sue in state courts.
[10:31.690 --> 10:32.250]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's interesting.
[10:32.710 --> 10:35.470]  [SPEAKER_19]: You jump into IBM's dumpsters, and IBM takes you to court.
[10:35.930 --> 10:36.730]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's garbage!
[10:36.730 --> 10:37.990]  [SPEAKER_19]: For God's sake, they throw it out.
[10:38.150 --> 10:40.070]  [SPEAKER_19]: Why are they throwing it out if they want to keep it?
[10:40.570 --> 10:41.930]  [SPEAKER_19]: They've got to make up their minds.
[10:43.670 --> 10:45.610]  [SPEAKER_19]: My garbage isn't protected by law.
[10:46.790 --> 10:49.270]  [SPEAKER_19]: Can you imagine if you could sue the garbageman for taking your garbage?
[10:49.570 --> 10:52.330]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, it's trade secret, after all.
[10:53.510 --> 10:54.470]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's pretty scary.
[10:55.430 --> 11:00.690]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, and, of course, we have the bill to outlaw radio as we know it.
[11:00.690 --> 11:07.610]  [SPEAKER_19]: Here's something that we found on the Internet, reprinted from the World Scanner Report of yesterday, September 29th.
[11:07.610 --> 11:23.870]  [SPEAKER_19]: If Representative Billy Towson, a Republican of Louisiana, chairman of the House Subcommittee on Telecommunications, Trade, and Consumer Protection, and his asinine HR 2369 have anything to say about it, radio as we know it will become history.
[11:24.790 --> 11:35.410]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's not the position of the World Scanner Report to run off too deep into politics, so I won't take valuable technical space here to print Towson's proposed bill in the House of Representatives.
[11:35.630 --> 11:40.230]  [SPEAKER_19]: You can find it all over the Internet and in the mainstream radio magazines like PopCon and Monitoring Times.
[11:41.150 --> 11:45.330]  [SPEAKER_19]: Instead, you'll find my views as relay to California Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein.
[11:48.830 --> 11:54.150]  [SPEAKER_19]: You, dear readers, know, of course, they pretty much already have our guns and our automobiles.
[11:54.690 --> 12:00.490]  [SPEAKER_19]: And I know a lot of people would disagree with certain aspects of this, but there are interesting parallels to be drawn.
[12:00.950 --> 12:02.970]  [SPEAKER_19]: Now they want our radios.
[12:03.530 --> 12:11.870]  [SPEAKER_19]: I have long contended that the three most vital ingredients of a free society are self-defense, transportation, and...
[12:12.490 --> 12:12.950]  [SPEAKER_19]: Anybody?
[12:14.390 --> 12:14.850]  [SPEAKER_19]: Barney?
[12:14.930 --> 12:15.170]  [SPEAKER_19]: No.
[12:17.030 --> 12:17.490]  [SPEAKER_19]: Communications.
[12:18.930 --> 12:21.150]  [SPEAKER_19]: I guess you could put sharing in there somewhere, but...
[12:21.150 --> 12:22.690]  [SPEAKER_19]: Self-defense, transportation, and communications.
[12:22.690 --> 12:24.370]  [SPEAKER_19]: I think speech should be in there somewhere.
[12:25.250 --> 12:25.910]  [SPEAKER_19]: But, um...
[12:25.910 --> 12:33.310]  [SPEAKER_19]: Anyway, he says, Forgive me for suggesting it, but if there ever was a time for hysteria and panic, this is it.
[12:33.690 --> 12:36.770]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, feel free to be hysterical and panicky out there.
[12:37.070 --> 12:39.870]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, the America of we the people is on the brink.
[12:40.430 --> 12:47.690]  [SPEAKER_19]: Please become informed in radio and electronic communications before lending your support or even casual credibility to HR 2369.
[12:49.570 --> 12:51.470]  [SPEAKER_19]: Radio signals know no boundaries.
[12:52.050 --> 12:54.710]  [SPEAKER_19]: Some are dangerous and harmful to body and or brain.
[12:55.850 --> 12:57.370]  [SPEAKER_19]: Radio waves cook your food.
[12:58.710 --> 13:02.290]  [SPEAKER_19]: Even harmless radio waves can contain harmful or threatening communication.
[13:06.430 --> 13:07.470]  [SPEAKER_19]: Like this one.
[13:19.380 --> 13:25.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: The right of the public to protect itself and to detect jeopardy, danger, and potential harm seems constitutionally guaranteed.
[13:25.180 --> 13:27.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: It is not a privilege that can be deprived.
[13:28.520 --> 13:34.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: The people have the God-given right to use their eyes and ears to detect things visible and audible that pass through their property and bodies.
[13:40.920 --> 13:48.080]  [SPEAKER_19]: Why is there a controversy over the people's right to detect radio waves that pass through their property and bodies?
[13:48.220 --> 13:49.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: Radio waves are only a form of light waves.
[13:49.900 --> 13:51.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: The two are fundamentally the same.
[13:51.380 --> 13:54.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: And what's more, sound waves aren't all that much different.
[13:54.540 --> 13:57.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: Radio, light, acoustical waves are energy.
[13:59.120 --> 14:04.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: Privacy always has been and should continue to be the primary responsibility of the sender and receiver of communications.
[14:04.360 --> 14:08.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: If you loudly speak of top-secret matters to your colleagues in a public restaurant...
[14:09.280 --> 14:10.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: How do you know about that?
[14:11.120 --> 14:11.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: Hmm.
[14:11.680 --> 14:13.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Do you have a reasonable expectation to privacy?
[14:13.720 --> 14:15.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: Are others required to plug their ears?
[14:15.280 --> 14:15.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, yeah.
[14:16.000 --> 14:17.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: If it's a secret, they shouldn't be listening.
[14:18.600 --> 14:23.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: If one were to disrobe on a city street, would they have any reasonable expectation of privacy?
[14:23.980 --> 14:24.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hmm.
[14:24.560 --> 14:28.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: Would it be incumbent on others to shave their eyes or avert their gaze?
[14:31.220 --> 14:33.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: Certainly, some would do so.
[14:33.060 --> 14:34.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, not all.
[14:34.600 --> 14:36.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: And would those who didn't be criminals.
[14:37.320 --> 14:44.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: When a radio signal is broadcast in the clear, regardless of audience and intended receiver, there cannot be any reasonable expectation of privacy.
[14:45.000 --> 14:51.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: When we verbally speak to others and want privacy, we lower our voices to a whisper and or seek a secure place.
[14:51.720 --> 14:55.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: When we undress for showers and bed, we do so in a private place.
[14:55.500 --> 15:01.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: If we want privacy in radio communications, it is incumbent on us to implement encryption or other secure measures.
[15:03.060 --> 15:04.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: Elect this guy to office.
[15:04.360 --> 15:05.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, this is it.
[15:05.620 --> 15:06.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yes, exactly.
[15:06.840 --> 15:13.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: It is not incumbent on watchers to avert their eyes to public sites, nor listeners to close their ears to audible sounds.
[15:13.720 --> 15:20.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: So why is it incumbent on the public to not operate a radio receiver just because some people choose to use it for their means of private communications?
[15:20.820 --> 15:24.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: Why does the government feel obliged to legislate this illusion of privacy?
[15:24.220 --> 15:38.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: Please note that the cellular telephone industry first created the illusion of privacy and then convinced the government to sanction it regarding the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 and then the Telephone Dispute and Disclosure Act of 1994.
[15:39.160 --> 15:45.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: My dear senators, I hope you can sense the preposterous nature of these acts and those now about to follow in their wake.
[15:45.540 --> 15:47.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: Please exert your opposition to H.R.
[15:47.360 --> 15:49.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: 2369 and anything resembling it.
[15:49.220 --> 15:59.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: I am adamantly opposed to government imposition on harmless, passive activities that the people can do in their homes, automobiles, and other private domains that do not impinge on the rights of others.
[15:59.440 --> 16:01.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: This includes radio monitoring.
[16:01.440 --> 16:03.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: The issue crystallizes to a very simple framework.
[16:04.140 --> 16:12.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: We, the people of the United States of America, do not have a reasonable expectation to privacy when we disrobe in public, shout in public areas, and communicate via radio waves.
[16:12.560 --> 16:17.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: That was written by Bill Cheek, citizen of California State.
[16:18.980 --> 16:24.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: And this was reprinted from the World Scanner Report of September 29, 1997.
[16:24.380 --> 16:27.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't think anything really puts it into words much better than that.
[16:27.360 --> 16:30.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because that's how absurd these regulations are.
[16:30.520 --> 16:31.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: And they extend to the internet.
[16:31.500 --> 16:32.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: They extend all over the place.
[16:33.040 --> 16:39.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's the same kind of cluelessness that legislators have that gets this kind of stuff talked about in the first place.
[16:40.440 --> 16:42.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, we have a couple of letters from around the world.
[16:42.780 --> 16:44.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: from people that listen to our show on real audio.
[16:45.360 --> 16:46.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: And they listen to it on tape.
[16:47.020 --> 16:49.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, not really on tape, but they listen to it delayed.
[16:49.560 --> 16:52.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because we put it up on the website, www.2600.com.
[16:53.720 --> 16:58.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: And you are able to download it or listen to it live at that point.
[16:58.140 --> 17:01.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: But tonight, we're on the internet live as we speak.
[17:01.500 --> 17:04.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: So people all over the world are potentially able to hear us.
[17:04.980 --> 17:07.080]  [SPEAKER_19]: So we'd like to hear from those people tonight.
[17:07.380 --> 17:09.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, those of you in New York, yeah, we'd like to hear from you too.
[17:09.280 --> 17:12.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: Especially if you have something to say about the 212-646 crisis.
[17:13.020 --> 17:13.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because it is a crisis.
[17:15.060 --> 17:16.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm not going to use 718.
[17:16.440 --> 17:17.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: I refuse to dial it.
[17:17.320 --> 17:18.040]  [SPEAKER_19]: I won't dial it.
[17:18.580 --> 17:19.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: Simple as that.
[17:20.440 --> 17:23.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: And that's not meant to be in front of those people in 718.
[17:23.460 --> 17:27.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, you know, if you're just 718 people, that's all there is to it.
[17:27.700 --> 17:28.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't mean that in a bad way either.
[17:29.060 --> 17:30.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's just different, okay?
[17:31.320 --> 17:32.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: No, it's...
[17:32.360 --> 17:33.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh boy, I'm going to get in trouble for this.
[17:34.640 --> 17:35.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, let's read these letters.
[17:37.040 --> 17:39.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: They sound like a 201 or something like that, you know?
[17:40.260 --> 17:42.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: I was listening to the Off the Hook show for the 9th of September.
[17:43.060 --> 17:45.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: You were talking about cellular that can be rented by the day, etc.
[17:45.860 --> 17:49.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't know if you've gotten any more information on this, but we have had this in St. Louis for over two years now.
[17:49.800 --> 17:52.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: And Ameritech calls it pick-up-and-go cellular.
[17:52.260 --> 17:55.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: For $30, you get 60 minutes of time on a cellular carrier.
[17:55.300 --> 17:59.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: You can either buy the old phones from them, usually costing around $30, or bring in your own.
[17:59.600 --> 18:05.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: The airtime is 50 cents per minute and is also subject to the same roaming charges and stuff like that.
[18:05.660 --> 18:07.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: The airtime is deducted from the balance of the card.
[18:08.100 --> 18:10.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: The phone number is created in the pick-up-and-go pool of numbers.
[18:11.100 --> 18:16.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: And the card number that you purchase is linked to the number of the phone or the ESN after you purchase the card.
[18:17.400 --> 18:22.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: After purchase, you call a special number with the phone you have and then enter the number off of the back of the card.
[18:23.160 --> 18:28.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: Then you scratch off a special silver patch like a lottery card that contains an authentication number.
[18:28.600 --> 18:30.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: This adds the balance into the computer.
[18:30.520 --> 18:32.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: The card then becomes invalid.
[18:33.700 --> 18:34.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: Fascinating.
[18:34.480 --> 18:35.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: New ways of communicating.
[18:35.860 --> 18:37.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: Phone cards, temporary cellular phones.
[18:38.140 --> 18:43.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, I saw an advertisement for Sprint PCS, and they were offering all these great rates.
[18:44.080 --> 18:45.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, it looked like they were great rates anyway.
[18:45.740 --> 18:53.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, the large number of minutes for a certain amount of dollars per month, and all kinds of other things that looked like they were better than OmniPoint.
[18:54.040 --> 18:58.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: So I decided to call them to find out, hey, what's up with these rates?
[18:58.060 --> 19:01.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, how much does it cost after you use a certain amount of time?
[19:02.500 --> 19:03.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Now, here's the interesting thing.
[19:04.000 --> 19:04.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: I called them.
[19:05.120 --> 19:09.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: I just called their 800 number like it was listed in the full-page ad in New York Times last week.
[19:10.380 --> 19:14.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: And, you know, I was put on hold for a few seconds, like I expect to be.
[19:15.140 --> 19:16.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: Not like the OmniPoint 45 minutes.
[19:16.980 --> 19:17.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: No, this was a few seconds.
[19:18.560 --> 19:26.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: And as the phone rang, this one picked up, I heard them finishing talking to somebody on the, you know, I guess who was sitting next to them.
[19:26.820 --> 19:31.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: And I expected them to, like, you know, finish their paragraph or whatever and then start talking to me.
[19:31.980 --> 19:33.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: Except, it never happened.
[19:33.700 --> 19:36.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: They continued to keep talking to the person next to me.
[19:36.120 --> 19:42.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Apparently, they had no idea whatsoever that they were talking to a customer.
[19:42.560 --> 19:44.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: So they just continued this long conversation.
[19:44.940 --> 19:48.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: And, um, I managed to grab a little bit of it.
[19:48.420 --> 20:01.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: I figured, you know, when you call up these people, they give you a little recording that says, this phone call may be recorded for customer quality or something like that.
[20:02.040 --> 20:03.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: And it works both ways, folks.
[20:04.660 --> 20:04.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[20:05.540 --> 20:08.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: Phone calls may be recorded for customer quality.
[20:08.520 --> 20:12.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: What I did was, I, um, I called up my OmniPoint phone.
[20:12.720 --> 20:13.200]  [SPEAKER_22]: Your password.
[20:13.540 --> 20:14.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, I'm going to enter my password.
[20:14.660 --> 20:16.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: I put this on my OmniPoint voicemail.
[20:17.100 --> 20:20.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm going to try and, uh, see if it actually works.
[20:21.180 --> 20:22.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: It should be one new message.
[20:22.200 --> 20:23.300]  [SPEAKER_22]: You have more than ten messages.
[20:23.740 --> 20:26.560]  [SPEAKER_22]: One is new, and more than ten are saved.
[20:26.720 --> 20:28.780]  [SPEAKER_22]: To listen to your messages, press one.
[20:28.780 --> 20:33.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, the, the one new message is the one that, uh, that this is.
[20:34.760 --> 20:35.920]  [SPEAKER_22]: 46 p.m.
[20:36.240 --> 20:37.000]  [SPEAKER_22]: Telephone number.
[20:37.260 --> 20:38.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: Note how it gives the phone number.
[20:38.960 --> 20:41.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: Even if you don't want it to give the phone number, it'll do that no matter what.
[20:41.940 --> 20:42.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Here we go.
[20:42.840 --> 20:44.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, uh, yeah.
[20:44.400 --> 20:45.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: And I think, well, you know, I really should...
[20:45.840 --> 20:47.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: She's a Sprint PCS representative.
[20:48.580 --> 20:54.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: She's developing the attitude of, you know, uh, I'll do what I can and let the rest go.
[20:55.140 --> 21:08.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, and mostly, you know, um, I'm, I'm kind of laid back about everything, and, and I have that attitude, but for some reason, since, since I've been in here, I've caught myself kind of taking it home with me, and I've never allowed myself to do that.
[21:08.800 --> 21:10.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't do that, I don't do that.
[21:10.180 --> 21:19.060]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, I get home, and I get to thinking, well, I could have done this, or should have done that, or should I do, and then I think, well, I need to trade departments if I'm doing this, you know.
[21:19.060 --> 21:34.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: Once I hit that door, yeah, I don't let it bother me, uh, I really, the only way of surviving is, you know, it works okay if it doesn't.
[21:44.900 --> 21:47.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: I know, I have to get to that point.
[21:47.620 --> 21:59.400]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think part of my frustration, though, has been, uh, we got such a little training, and what we got was so scattered, you know, we never saw the same instructor two days in a row.
[21:59.400 --> 22:01.660]  [SPEAKER_14]: What, what, what, what, uh, 14.
[22:01.940 --> 22:02.240]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, yeah.
[22:02.640 --> 22:05.760]  [SPEAKER_14]: It was the stepchild of all stepchilds, I think.
[22:06.120 --> 22:12.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: And I wasn't that great with computers when I came in and started the training.
[22:12.220 --> 22:26.520]  [SPEAKER_14]: So I think, uh, that part of my, uh, uh, uh, frustration has been trying to learn all this, trying to make, feeling the pressure to make the sales, and then feeling the pressure to, you know, do the computer thing.
[22:37.500 --> 22:41.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, well, that went on for another 20 minutes or so.
[22:41.680 --> 22:43.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: I think they got trained a little too fast.
[22:43.980 --> 22:44.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: I agree with her.
[22:44.900 --> 22:48.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: It sounds like they definitely got rushed through it, and thrown onto the sales floor.
[22:48.740 --> 22:51.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, uh, well, the only point never did that.
[22:51.640 --> 22:57.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: So that's, that's, if you call Sprint PCS, you may get a whole earful of someone's conversation before you actually get, uh, any help.
[22:58.700 --> 23:03.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, eventually I called back, and I got somebody else who picked up the phone and started speaking to me at the same time.
[23:04.160 --> 23:09.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: And they said their rates are something like 10 cents a minute after, 10 cents a minute around the clock.
[23:10.620 --> 23:12.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: Now, to me, that does not sound right.
[23:12.940 --> 23:20.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: If someone can verify that, if Sprint PCS offers 10 cents a minute around the clock, after you use up however many minutes are on your plan, I'd sure like to know about it.
[23:20.980 --> 23:28.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: But, uh, rather than run out and get their service and find out later that they didn't get trained enough to tell me the price, I'd, I'd just like someone to verify that.
[23:29.140 --> 23:29.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, another letter.
[23:30.080 --> 23:34.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, I have ADSL right now from Simpatico, a Saskatel-owned company.
[23:34.740 --> 23:36.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: Is it Sask-Tel or Saskatel?
[23:37.260 --> 23:37.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: Which is it?
[23:38.020 --> 23:38.560]  [SPEAKER_13]: The one.
[23:39.100 --> 23:40.040]  [SPEAKER_19]: Which one did I say first?
[23:40.760 --> 23:41.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: Saskatel.
[23:41.240 --> 23:43.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because it's spelled S-A-S-K-T-E-L.
[23:44.280 --> 23:45.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: Should there be an A in there somewhere?
[23:46.740 --> 23:47.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: Saskatchewan, actually.
[23:48.040 --> 23:48.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, should be.
[23:48.620 --> 23:54.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: Anyway, he forgot to mention, referring to the network who was on a few weeks ago, he forgot to mention a couple of really cool points about ADSL.
[23:54.480 --> 23:59.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: You get telephone service and the ADSL connection for $80 per month, Saskatoon and Regina.
[23:59.900 --> 24:06.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: And this includes free usage of the ADSL, Ethernet 10-Base-T, or AUII modem, $2,000 to $6,000.
[24:06.880 --> 24:07.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, right.
[24:08.540 --> 24:10.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: A little bit of sarcasm over the internet there.
[24:10.640 --> 24:15.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: The installation uses your regular copper-twisted pair coming into your home.
[24:15.800 --> 24:17.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: That is very cool.
[24:17.740 --> 24:18.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: This dummy mention...
[24:18.800 --> 24:22.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, you know, folks, when you're calling up, you shouldn't refer to our guests as dummies, all right?
[24:22.940 --> 24:24.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because we're all sort of on the same side here.
[24:25.040 --> 24:26.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, so we've got to be sort of polite.
[24:26.720 --> 24:33.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: So I'll say the gentleman mentioned that you cannot use the phone at the same time as ADSL, and he is dead wrong.
[24:34.560 --> 24:38.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: He's incorrect, according to this listener, this internet listener.
[24:38.600 --> 24:41.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yes, you can use the phone at the same time as you use data.
[24:43.480 --> 24:45.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: Anyways, the dude was a big dummy, if you want some...
[24:45.500 --> 24:48.040]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, he just goes on about all that.
[24:48.620 --> 24:49.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh, boy.
[24:49.540 --> 24:52.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm sure we'll get some response to that as well.
[24:52.980 --> 24:58.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: The speed I get is a theoretical 1.5 megabytes incoming, 500k outgoing.
[24:59.940 --> 25:02.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: And I've had the connection since December 96, and it rocks.
[25:04.240 --> 25:04.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, we'll see.
[25:05.080 --> 25:05.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: We'll see if we get it here.
[25:06.300 --> 25:08.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: We'll see if certain people have to eat their hats.
[25:08.920 --> 25:09.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[25:10.040 --> 25:10.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Isaac is here.
[25:10.840 --> 25:11.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: Isaac, how are you doing?
[25:11.400 --> 25:12.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, I'm here, and I'm fine.
[25:12.760 --> 25:19.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Now, you're the person in charge of putting up real audio recordings of the Beyond Hope conference, which took place in August.
[25:20.500 --> 25:24.120]  [SPEAKER_17]: We recorded, as you know, the conference on video and audio.
[25:24.420 --> 25:25.640]  [SPEAKER_17]: Actually, it's on the same tape.
[25:25.860 --> 25:33.140]  [SPEAKER_17]: And I'm very slowly making my way through encoding all of the audio tracks from all the panels.
[25:33.160 --> 25:34.980]  [SPEAKER_17]: There's only about seven left.
[25:35.420 --> 25:35.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[25:37.300 --> 25:38.260]  [SPEAKER_17]: All the...
[25:38.260 --> 25:50.920]  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, I wouldn't like to say more interesting ones, but the ones that were in high demand from people who contacted me, uh, GSM, the Metricard panel, um, the Loft I recently uploaded, um, they're all on the site.
[25:51.080 --> 25:57.940]  [SPEAKER_17]: You can actually find those at www.hope.net, um, right there in the front, where they should be.
[25:58.520 --> 26:02.080]  [SPEAKER_17]: Uh, yeah, I've got about seven more, so I'm very slowly making my way through those.
[26:02.700 --> 26:03.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[26:03.280 --> 26:03.740]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's long work.
[26:04.060 --> 26:05.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: So the...
[26:05.160 --> 26:07.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: I guess we'll put up about, what, a couple of weeks?
[26:07.880 --> 26:08.480]  [SPEAKER_17]: About a... yeah.
[26:08.480 --> 26:13.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, go to www.hope.net for that, and, uh, you'll see all the files there.
[26:13.980 --> 26:16.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: And there's a link to that from the 2600 site as well.
[26:16.900 --> 26:25.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, uh, 212-279-3400 is our telephone number, and, um, I guess we want to hear from people from all over the place.
[26:26.000 --> 26:29.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: See who's out there, and see just what it is they have to say.
[26:30.120 --> 26:30.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: Where should we go?
[26:31.140 --> 26:34.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: We don't want to go to, uh, we don't want to go to that line there, because that one is...
[26:34.560 --> 26:36.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, let's try this one over here.
[26:36.640 --> 26:37.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[26:38.900 --> 26:40.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: Hi, I'm calling from San Francisco.
[26:40.560 --> 26:42.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: San Francisco, that's about as far away as you can get.
[26:43.020 --> 26:43.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yep.
[26:43.420 --> 26:44.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: At least in this country.
[26:44.180 --> 26:46.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: See, I guess, I guess the net connection is working just fine.
[26:46.740 --> 26:47.420]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's working great.
[26:47.580 --> 26:52.220]  [SPEAKER_08]: Actually, right now I'm at the Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0 launch in Fort Mason, in the city.
[26:52.500 --> 26:52.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: Wow.
[26:52.900 --> 26:54.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm sitting on a T1 line.
[26:54.540 --> 26:54.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh-huh.
[26:54.620 --> 26:55.840]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it seems you're working really good.
[26:56.260 --> 26:56.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Cool.
[26:57.060 --> 27:01.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, you know, a 28-8 connection, uh, should be enough to listen to the show.
[27:01.720 --> 27:01.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yep.
[27:02.060 --> 27:03.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: But a T1 certainly can't hurt.
[27:03.780 --> 27:03.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[27:04.360 --> 27:04.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[27:04.520 --> 27:07.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: I wouldn't mind seeing a 56K or a 128 link.
[27:07.160 --> 27:07.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: That'd be great.
[27:08.720 --> 27:11.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: So tell us what San Francisco is like this time of year and what's going on there.
[27:11.680 --> 27:15.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, right now it's, fog's coming in, kind of breezy, nice, cool.
[27:15.540 --> 27:15.720]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[27:15.920 --> 27:17.640]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not humid and hot like New York, sorry.
[27:17.900 --> 27:19.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, actually, it's not very humid and hot here either.
[27:19.940 --> 27:20.080]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh, really?
[27:20.080 --> 27:21.080]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's rather chilly and cold.
[27:21.220 --> 27:21.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's great.
[27:21.600 --> 27:23.140]  [SPEAKER_08]: It was there two weeks ago and it was pretty nasty.
[27:23.300 --> 27:23.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[27:23.680 --> 27:25.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, that happens in the later part of the summer.
[27:25.520 --> 27:27.320]  [SPEAKER_19]: But, you know, right now it's dark here.
[27:27.400 --> 27:28.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'll bet it's not dark there.
[27:28.580 --> 27:29.500]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, no, not at all.
[27:29.600 --> 27:30.280]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's very nice out.
[27:30.400 --> 27:30.820]  [SPEAKER_08]: Very nice.
[27:30.940 --> 27:31.360]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's still sunny.
[27:31.900 --> 27:33.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: See, that's a three-hour time difference there.
[27:33.540 --> 27:33.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[27:34.520 --> 27:34.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Wow.
[27:34.980 --> 27:37.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: So you had no trouble whatsoever actually listening to the show?
[27:38.480 --> 27:41.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm waiting for the link to activate itself, popped it on, spawned the player, and it's ready to go.
[27:42.100 --> 27:42.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, great.
[27:42.540 --> 27:43.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Is there anything you want to say to our listeners?
[27:43.980 --> 27:46.440]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, just, what's up to New York from California.
[27:46.640 --> 27:47.180]  [SPEAKER_08]: See you guys later.
[27:47.420 --> 27:47.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[27:47.900 --> 27:48.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: Thanks for calling.
[27:48.460 --> 27:48.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Take care.
[27:50.040 --> 27:50.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: Not bad.
[27:50.860 --> 27:51.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: Not bad.
[27:51.300 --> 27:51.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: Not bad at all.
[27:51.840 --> 27:52.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[27:52.360 --> 27:54.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: Although he sounded like he was coming through the internet too, somehow.
[27:54.820 --> 27:57.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, maybe it's just a weird speakerphone or something like that.
[27:58.420 --> 27:59.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: San Francisco.
[27:59.800 --> 28:02.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, I heard another radio station on the net.
[28:02.120 --> 28:02.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'll say what station.
[28:02.820 --> 28:03.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't care.
[28:03.240 --> 28:04.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's WFMU.
[28:04.240 --> 28:07.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: They have a great website, and you can listen to them all the time on the website.
[28:08.540 --> 28:16.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: And they had a show on the other night where they were giving away concert tickets, and the question was, what is the area code for San Francisco?
[28:17.440 --> 28:18.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, and nobody got it.
[28:18.960 --> 28:21.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: Nobody could even open up the phone book or call information or what.
[28:22.260 --> 28:22.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Nobody.
[28:22.680 --> 28:25.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: He kept pleading, saying, does anybody know the area code for San Francisco?
[28:26.620 --> 28:29.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: Of course, we all know it's not 2-1-2.
[28:30.320 --> 28:30.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: Correct.
[28:30.720 --> 28:30.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Right.
[28:31.140 --> 28:31.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: Very right.
[28:31.720 --> 28:31.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening.
[28:32.060 --> 28:32.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're on the air.
[28:32.960 --> 28:33.340]  [SPEAKER_23]: Oh, thanks.
[28:33.520 --> 28:37.980]  [SPEAKER_23]: I was just wondering about the, with the conference that you're, you're saying you're getting that for people.
[28:38.100 --> 28:42.080]  [SPEAKER_23]: Did anyone ask for, did anyone want to get the Steel This Radio?
[28:42.780 --> 28:45.480]  [SPEAKER_23]: Was anyone requesting the Steel This Radio panel?
[28:45.660 --> 28:46.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, I know I was.
[28:46.780 --> 28:49.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't know if anybody else was, but that's the one that we didn't record.
[28:49.740 --> 28:52.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: And if anybody out there has a recording of it, please let us know.
[28:52.580 --> 28:58.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: The Steel This Radio panel took place Saturday night, and for various technical reasons, we weren't able to record that one.
[28:58.680 --> 29:01.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: But if anyone has an audio recording, it would be very helpful.
[29:01.740 --> 29:13.900]  [SPEAKER_23]: Oh, because I would like to know, is there anyone I can contact after the show about setting that up, you know, setting up, because we have the transmitter, and I want to get us on the web, and I don't really know too much, I don't know about how to do that.
[29:13.980 --> 29:17.120]  [SPEAKER_23]: I want to know if I can do it with the computer that I have and the transmitter that we have.
[29:18.120 --> 29:19.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, obviously you need net access.
[29:20.580 --> 29:22.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: What kind of net access do you have right now?
[29:23.100 --> 29:24.560]  [SPEAKER_23]: I don't have any.
[29:24.660 --> 29:27.300]  [SPEAKER_23]: I go to a cyber cafe.
[29:27.620 --> 29:29.060]  [SPEAKER_21]: Isaac, what would they need?
[29:29.680 --> 29:31.960]  [SPEAKER_17]: To actually broadcast real audio live?
[29:32.060 --> 29:32.420]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[29:33.900 --> 29:35.460]  [SPEAKER_17]: Minimum, maybe a bonded ISDN.
[29:35.620 --> 29:37.560]  [SPEAKER_17]: I really don't follow that kind of thing.
[29:37.740 --> 29:42.100]  [SPEAKER_17]: But you're going to need to be speedy enough to serve a couple of people.
[29:42.520 --> 29:47.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, I think you might want to start looking for people to donate access to you, as far as that goes.
[29:47.880 --> 29:49.200]  [SPEAKER_23]: What are you talking about...
[29:49.200 --> 29:50.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's something we're actually looking into at BAI, too.
[29:51.080 --> 29:51.200]  [SPEAKER_23]: Sorry?
[29:51.660 --> 29:52.020]  [SPEAKER_23]: I'm sorry.
[29:52.360 --> 29:59.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: We're looking into that at BAI, too, getting people with the bandwidth to donate some resources so that people from around the world can connect.
[29:59.320 --> 30:06.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: But I believe on a T1, you can still only get maybe two dozen people at once to actually be able to listen.
[30:06.560 --> 30:13.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: So it's, you know, it sounds great to be able to be all over the world, and maybe, you know, if people only listen for a little while, that works out.
[30:13.620 --> 30:15.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: But it's still not that much.
[30:15.360 --> 30:23.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: I think once ADSL becomes commonplace, the potential for getting a lot of listeners around the world will increase.
[30:24.360 --> 30:26.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's definitely something to get involved in now.
[30:26.420 --> 30:26.680]  [SPEAKER_23]: Okay.
[30:26.880 --> 30:27.620]  [SPEAKER_23]: That's what we need, though.
[30:27.740 --> 30:29.800]  [SPEAKER_23]: We need either an ISDN or a T1.
[30:29.860 --> 30:30.340]  [SPEAKER_23]: That's what we need?
[30:30.680 --> 30:34.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: I would say you'd need a T1 if you want to be sending out.
[30:34.200 --> 30:34.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: Absolutely.
[30:34.680 --> 30:36.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because, you know, a lot of people are going to be connecting.
[30:37.060 --> 30:40.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: And if you want more than one or two people to be able to connect at the same time, you're going to need a T1.
[30:40.820 --> 30:43.600]  [SPEAKER_23]: And if you're archiving and not broadcasting, it's different?
[30:43.820 --> 30:46.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: Archiving is different because that's just a simple thing of downloading.
[30:46.800 --> 30:53.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, you would record it, convert it to real audio, and then download whenever, you know, whenever and however you wish.
[30:54.380 --> 30:59.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: And again, you know, bandwidth is a question of how long it's going to take to download the show.
[30:59.820 --> 31:05.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: But, you know, you can have, theoretically, a very limited site.
[31:05.640 --> 31:06.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: It just would take longer.
[31:07.000 --> 31:07.560]  [SPEAKER_23]: All right.
[31:07.640 --> 31:07.980]  [SPEAKER_23]: Thank you.
[31:08.120 --> 31:08.260]  [SPEAKER_23]: All right.
[31:08.260 --> 31:08.460]  [SPEAKER_23]: Good luck.
[31:08.500 --> 31:08.700]  [SPEAKER_23]: Thanks a lot.
[31:09.340 --> 31:10.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: And Steal This Radio.
[31:10.400 --> 31:12.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, that's the radio station down on the lower east side.
[31:12.500 --> 31:15.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: They're at 88.7.
[31:15.380 --> 31:15.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: Seven.
[31:15.700 --> 31:15.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yes.
[31:16.780 --> 31:20.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: And, boy, they have some really interesting things on the air, I've got to say.
[31:21.160 --> 31:25.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: I wish the FCC would just back off and let us all program radio the way we want to.
[31:25.920 --> 31:26.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[31:26.660 --> 31:28.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: 212-279-3400.
[31:28.520 --> 31:30.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's not a seditious remark or anything, is it?
[31:30.520 --> 31:31.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: No, no, not at all.
[31:36.540 --> 31:41.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: I was wondering if you guys knew anything about, like, automatic telemachine networks.
[31:43.060 --> 31:48.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, they... these are people that have encrypted, pretty much, the sessions.
[31:48.560 --> 31:51.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, I know it's not the easiest thing in the world to compromise.
[31:52.160 --> 32:00.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, just... I mean, just as far as... I was curious from a user point of view, I... there are these fleet ATMs in the Port Authority that I use all the time.
[32:00.960 --> 32:01.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[32:01.600 --> 32:10.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: And so, I walk past them all the time coming into the city from Jersey, and I realized the other day, for the first time, hey, you know, I can probably make my deposits here.
[32:11.000 --> 32:20.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, I walk into the booth, and I notice that there are deposit slips, deposit envelopes, and a little sign that says, you know, deposits received after 3 a.m.
[32:20.320 --> 32:21.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: will be posted the next business day.
[32:22.000 --> 32:22.180]  [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[32:22.380 --> 32:27.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I go to make my deposit, and there are these touchscreens.
[32:27.240 --> 32:27.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[32:27.540 --> 32:31.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, the buttons are all software-dependent, and there's no deposit button.
[32:32.120 --> 32:44.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, I went to another one of the machines, and finally, I realized they hadn't installed... the version of the software they had loaded onto these machines did not have any deposit button for you to hit.
[32:44.840 --> 32:48.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: Was there a deposit chute for you to put deposits in?
[32:48.280 --> 32:48.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh, yes.
[32:48.800 --> 32:52.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because once I came across a machine that didn't have... it was the exact opposite.
[32:52.360 --> 32:56.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: They didn't have the deposit chute, but they did have deposit on the menu.
[32:56.820 --> 33:01.040]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, if you select a deposit, it would try to open a chute it didn't have.
[33:01.180 --> 33:01.500]  [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, okay.
[33:01.500 --> 33:02.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: And it would totally hang.
[33:03.060 --> 33:05.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, this one, it just... it had the chute, but it didn't have the button.
[33:06.020 --> 33:06.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[33:06.100 --> 33:11.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, I called fleet, and I told them about that, and I figured... and they said, okay, you know, we'll take care of it.
[33:12.060 --> 33:13.040]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's in the fleet house?
[33:13.140 --> 33:17.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: I was dialing some 800 number, and I figured they would never, ever, you know, be responsive enough.
[33:17.320 --> 33:17.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[33:17.460 --> 33:26.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, next time I went to the city, which is a few days later, it was, uh, it was all taken care of, and I was wondering if... there are quite a number of them in the Port Authority.
[33:26.160 --> 33:39.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: I was wondering if they... if that's something that they could do a network district, like if they could just upload over, over some kind of a software network, a new version of the software, or if it's something that has to go manually, uh, around from machine to machine.
[33:39.440 --> 33:46.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm sure they have a way of contacting their machines, because you see them occasionally going down for some sort of maintenance, and there's nobody there doing any maintenance.
[33:46.920 --> 33:52.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, obviously, they can receive messages from remote areas, which I assume are on a closed network.
[33:53.040 --> 33:54.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: I sure hope they are, anyway.
[33:54.400 --> 33:54.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[33:54.980 --> 33:56.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: The, uh, Fiber's not around this week?
[33:56.580 --> 33:57.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, he's not.
[33:57.280 --> 33:57.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[33:57.560 --> 34:03.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of wanted to run this by him, just because he seems to have this uncanny, uh, uh, way of knowing a little bit about everything.
[34:03.440 --> 34:03.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[34:03.920 --> 34:04.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[34:04.260 --> 34:06.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, uh, we'll ask him next time he's in.
[34:06.440 --> 34:07.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, great.
[34:07.100 --> 34:07.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: Thanks a lot.
[34:07.720 --> 34:07.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: Take care.
[34:07.980 --> 34:18.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: And speaking of that, a programming note, uh, we're not going to be on next week, and we're not going to be on the week after that either, and we're not going to be on even the week after that, because there's all kinds of special programs coming up on the fundraiser that's taking place,
[34:18.760 --> 34:19.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: uh, this October.
[34:20.200 --> 34:24.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, our next show will not be until, I think, October 24th.
[34:25.360 --> 34:25.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: Mercy.
[34:26.360 --> 34:29.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, it's going to be a whole different world by the time, uh, people come back here.
[34:30.140 --> 34:35.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: Um, speaking of different worlds, I don't know how many of you have seen it, but, uh, the payphones are changing.
[34:35.520 --> 34:35.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[34:35.840 --> 34:37.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, the Bell Atlantic, the Bell Atlantic payphones.
[34:37.640 --> 34:43.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: They put in those little signs, but I guess they're taking down the 9X signs, and they're replacing them with little Bell Atlantic ones.
[34:43.760 --> 34:50.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't think they're that attractive, because you could see 9X, or if they happen to say Beyond Hope, you could see that from across the street.
[34:50.740 --> 34:58.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: But Bell Atlantic, you can't see unless you're standing right next to it, because most of it is like a logo of some sort, and the actual letters are very tiny.
[34:58.960 --> 35:02.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: But they're definitely changing, and I think they're doing it very slowly.
[35:02.660 --> 35:04.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: A lot of phones are half Bell Atlantic, half 9X.
[35:04.860 --> 35:07.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: I think that's to get it into our thick skulls, that it's the same company.
[35:08.840 --> 35:10.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: And hopefully we'll accept it.
[35:10.980 --> 35:17.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: But the phone bills, the phone bills have been laser printed to say Bell Atlantic now instead of 9X, and the envelopes still say 9X.
[35:17.300 --> 35:23.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: But I imagine after a while, after a while, they're going to... they stamp them saying Bell Atlantic is now 9X, so that you won't get too confused.
[35:24.600 --> 35:25.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's all a lot of fun for everybody.
[35:26.320 --> 35:28.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, 212-279-3400.
[35:28.360 --> 35:29.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: Anybody overseas?
[35:29.660 --> 35:30.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: Is anybody overseas listening?
[35:31.500 --> 35:35.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, I realize it's probably, you know, people sleeping on the other side of the world.
[35:35.760 --> 35:40.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: But if anybody is listening in real audio, I mean, I'm sure you know how to dial overseas.
[35:41.160 --> 35:47.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: Usually you dial 00 to get overseas, and then the country code, which is 1, and then our phone number, 212-279-3400.
[35:47.780 --> 35:49.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: And you'll probably get a busy signal, but just keep trying.
[35:50.540 --> 35:51.080]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening.
[35:51.140 --> 35:51.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're on the air.
[35:52.140 --> 35:52.500]  [SPEAKER_24]: Hello.
[35:52.840 --> 35:53.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: How you doing?
[35:53.580 --> 35:53.900]  [SPEAKER_24]: I'm fine.
[35:54.060 --> 35:57.220]  [SPEAKER_24]: Do you know anything about the 000 area code?
[35:58.120 --> 35:59.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: The 000 area code?
[35:59.940 --> 36:00.240]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah.
[36:00.240 --> 36:01.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: Other than it doesn't exist.
[36:02.580 --> 36:02.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: Why?
[36:03.120 --> 36:03.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: Did you hear something about it?
[36:04.340 --> 36:13.460]  [SPEAKER_24]: Because I got a call from Bell Atlantic, and then I did a call return or whatever, and I got 000, and then 7 digits right after it.
[36:13.640 --> 36:17.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: Is that what showed up on... when you dialed Star 690, the announcement said that number?
[36:17.480 --> 36:17.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yep.
[36:17.880 --> 36:18.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: Did you try calling it?
[36:19.000 --> 36:19.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: Nope.
[36:19.640 --> 36:19.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[36:20.040 --> 36:24.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, it probably isn't going to go through, but that's similar to what Omnipoint does with new phones.
[36:24.920 --> 36:28.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because before they're activated, they show up as coming from area code 999.
[36:28.860 --> 36:31.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: Both cases, those area codes do not exist.
[36:32.240 --> 36:37.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: And the numbers being sent out are just, I guess, the best way to describe them are fake numbers.
[36:37.500 --> 36:38.160]  Oh, cool.
[36:38.260 --> 36:42.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'd love to be able to figure out how to do that, you know, for individual people, not just AT&T and Omnipoint.
[36:43.560 --> 36:44.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: Or Bell Atlantic.
[36:44.560 --> 36:45.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: It was Bell Atlantic, you said?
[36:45.680 --> 36:45.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[36:46.560 --> 36:46.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: Interesting.
[36:47.120 --> 36:48.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Now, who was it who called you?
[36:48.440 --> 36:49.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: Is that the customer service department?
[36:49.900 --> 36:50.160]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[36:50.820 --> 36:51.080]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[36:51.260 --> 36:55.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, everyone out there, try to get a customer service department to call you, and we can experiment and compare numbers.
[36:56.000 --> 36:59.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'll bet the last seven digits, though, have some meaning within Bell Atlantic.
[36:59.640 --> 37:05.200]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, because it was like 0, 8, 3, 4, and 7, 5, something.
[37:05.600 --> 37:08.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, it's probably some sort of internal extension of some sort.
[37:08.540 --> 37:09.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: But it's interesting.
[37:10.420 --> 37:11.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: Definitely keep track of that kind of thing.
[37:11.860 --> 37:13.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: We can use it to figure out how it works.
[37:13.760 --> 37:14.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, thanks.
[37:14.380 --> 37:14.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Thanks for calling.
[37:15.860 --> 37:18.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, just some of the experimentation that we're up to.
[37:19.020 --> 37:19.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening.
[37:19.680 --> 37:20.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: You're on the air.
[37:20.880 --> 37:21.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[37:21.580 --> 37:21.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hi.
[37:22.040 --> 37:22.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: How are you doing?
[37:22.660 --> 37:23.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[37:24.040 --> 37:28.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I just wanted to comment on what just the guy was saying about the 00, you know, area codes.
[37:28.660 --> 37:28.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[37:29.980 --> 37:33.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, it's more actually of the same type of thing that happened to me.
[37:34.580 --> 37:36.240]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was actually a while ago, a few years ago.
[37:36.660 --> 37:39.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: We were like, my whole family, we were out for like a vacation.
[37:40.040 --> 37:40.280]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh-huh.
[37:40.460 --> 37:44.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: And we came back, and we had like a ton of messages on the answering machine, and a couple of them.
[37:44.660 --> 37:44.800]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[37:44.800 --> 38:00.740]  [SPEAKER_07]: They were like, they were like 45 minutes long and whatnot, and just like people, just talking about like different sorts of stuff sounded like, I don't know, like a lot of them would ask like if some guy got out of jail and like whatnot, all sorts of weird stuff.
[38:00.880 --> 38:03.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: And like a lot of the calls were placed to like Russia and Australia.
[38:03.660 --> 38:04.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[38:04.500 --> 38:10.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: And like the whole number would like begin with like a string of like seven zeros, followed by like another three digits.
[38:11.300 --> 38:11.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: Really?
[38:11.880 --> 38:13.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and it was like a $300 bill.
[38:13.340 --> 38:15.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, it got canceled, but...
[38:15.080 --> 38:16.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: Do you remember what company it was?
[38:16.740 --> 38:18.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, uh, billed by?
[38:18.620 --> 38:18.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[38:19.120 --> 38:20.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, just, uh, AT&T, I think.
[38:20.700 --> 38:21.340]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was AT&T?
[38:21.500 --> 38:23.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm pretty sure it was, uh...
[38:23.220 --> 38:23.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's unusual.
[38:24.400 --> 38:27.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and it was, um, it was really odd.
[38:28.020 --> 38:32.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, so the originating number, you're saying the originating number showed up as, as seven zeros, and then...
[38:32.540 --> 38:35.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Something like that, like a lot of, you're like, more than three zeros, it was.
[38:35.180 --> 38:35.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: So were these...
[38:35.640 --> 38:38.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: Like 0000, like 3011, or something like that, yeah.
[38:38.360 --> 38:38.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[38:38.620 --> 38:40.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: Were these, uh, third number calls?
[38:40.460 --> 38:42.320]  [SPEAKER_19]: They billed it to your number from a third number?
[38:43.000 --> 38:44.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I don't know.
[38:44.100 --> 38:47.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: See, we were gone, and I don't even know, because they got recorded onto our answering machines.
[38:47.340 --> 38:47.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[38:48.100 --> 38:51.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: That was like part of the proof that we had that, you know, that's why, like, they dismissed the bill.
[38:52.020 --> 38:52.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: Right.
[38:52.260 --> 38:55.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: Because we might have made, like, maybe, like, five bucks worth of calls because we were, like, on vacation.
[38:55.660 --> 38:55.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: Right.
[38:56.040 --> 38:57.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: And we came back, and we had these, like, messages.
[38:58.180 --> 39:11.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, you see, the phone companies, I gotta tell you, the phone companies will try and get you to pay for these calls one way or another by saying that, uh, you know, that you accepted a collect call, or you, you agreed to have a third number bill put on your,
[39:11.300 --> 39:11.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: your phone.
[39:11.840 --> 39:20.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Even if, I mean, I, I ran into this with a phone company once, where they billed me for a collect call on a line that I don't have collect call allowed on.
[39:20.920 --> 39:22.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, you, you can block these things.
[39:22.440 --> 39:22.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's a service.
[39:23.420 --> 39:27.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: And not only that, but it was a data line, and it was always in use.
[39:27.380 --> 39:32.320]  [SPEAKER_19]: So that even if I wanted to accept a collect call on this line that had collect call blocking, I wouldn't be able to do it.
[39:32.660 --> 39:40.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: And when I told the company this, they said, well, sorry, but, uh, obviously, uh, you accepted the collect call because the computer says that you accepted the collect call.
[39:40.680 --> 39:44.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: And it doesn't matter that you don't accept collect calls and that it's impossible to do this.
[39:44.180 --> 39:45.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: We're going to bill you for this anyway.
[39:45.920 --> 39:59.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: And I gotta tell you, thank God for the local phone company, because Bell, Atlantic, Ninex, whatever you want to call them, they are very sympathetic to this kind of thing, and they will take it off your bill and let you deal with them directly if you call the right people.
[39:59.440 --> 40:08.300]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was really odd, the fact that it actually got recorded onto our answering machine, which is, like, really messed up because, I mean, it was set for, like, four rings after which we answered, and it recorded both sides of the conversation.
[40:09.380 --> 40:09.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know?
[40:09.980 --> 40:13.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: So it was really, it was really, like, a weird conversation, too, because it's not...
[40:13.160 --> 40:15.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're saying, wait, the answering machine recorded both sides of the conversation as well?
[40:16.040 --> 40:17.260]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it was, it was really odd.
[40:17.320 --> 40:24.200]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, I never, like, encountered anything like this from anybody, aside from the fact that we had those weird phone bills, we also had the whole conversation recorded on the answering machine.
[40:24.280 --> 40:24.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's interesting.
[40:25.020 --> 40:26.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: You've got something weird going on.
[40:26.020 --> 40:27.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: There was, like, nobody in the house.
[40:27.260 --> 40:27.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[40:27.920 --> 40:28.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: They were all the way.
[40:28.500 --> 40:28.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[40:28.880 --> 40:30.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: I actually can ask you another question.
[40:30.260 --> 40:30.660]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, go ahead.
[40:30.860 --> 40:31.100]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[40:31.460 --> 40:33.680]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm in, like, college right now.
[40:33.740 --> 40:34.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, like, there's a...
[40:34.700 --> 40:35.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: They just switched on your phone system.
[40:35.900 --> 40:37.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, like, when you have to, like...
[40:37.020 --> 40:40.880]  [SPEAKER_07]: You dial, like, eight to four lines, and then you dial the number, and then, like, access code.
[40:41.020 --> 40:41.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[40:41.920 --> 40:45.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: Do you know of any, like, maybe possible holes in that, or aside from, like, brute-forcing, like...
[40:46.160 --> 40:47.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: What kind of system is it?
[40:47.180 --> 40:47.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Do you know?
[40:48.160 --> 40:48.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: No.
[40:48.640 --> 40:49.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know.
[40:49.820 --> 40:51.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Does it require a special phone, or...?
[40:51.700 --> 40:52.160]  [SPEAKER_07]: No, no, no.
[40:52.160 --> 40:53.420]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's a regular phone line.
[40:53.420 --> 40:54.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: You have to, um...
[40:54.560 --> 40:57.460]  [SPEAKER_07]: You dial, like, eight, and then you dial the phone number you want to dial.
[40:57.640 --> 40:57.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[40:57.960 --> 40:59.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: And then it, like, gives you a little tone.
[40:59.980 --> 41:01.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: How many digits is the code?
[41:01.540 --> 41:04.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, the code, let's see, it's, like, uh...
[41:04.080 --> 41:05.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: Eight digits.
[41:05.500 --> 41:08.980]  [SPEAKER_07]: Eight digits code, and then you can get out, you know, an outside call.
[41:09.220 --> 41:11.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: And you can use your code from any phone?
[41:11.580 --> 41:14.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, you could call an 800 number and use that code, yeah.
[41:15.040 --> 41:19.080]  [SPEAKER_19]: No, I'm saying, you can go to somebody else's phone and use the same code.
[41:19.280 --> 41:19.420]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[41:19.860 --> 41:27.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: Um, I, you know, Now, I'd say there probably is a hole in the system, but probably the biggest hole is people's willingness to give out information.
[41:27.740 --> 41:35.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm sure some place on that campus is a printout of everybody's name, their social security number, and their phone code right next to it.
[41:35.340 --> 41:37.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: And you just simply apply that.
[41:37.400 --> 41:38.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Or other things.
[41:39.620 --> 41:41.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Codes are very similar sometimes.
[41:42.080 --> 41:43.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: They're off by only a couple of digits.
[41:43.700 --> 41:45.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: Apparently, it's like it jumps.
[41:45.740 --> 41:51.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we get registered pretty close together, and it jumps by a lot of digits.
[41:51.780 --> 41:53.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: So it's not like it's sequential or anything.
[41:54.060 --> 42:01.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: No, it wouldn't be sequential, but sometimes the first four digits maybe are used a lot, which cuts it down quite a bit.
[42:01.280 --> 42:07.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: But something else you have to remember, systems like this obviously record the number you call, but they often record the number you call from as well.
[42:09.380 --> 42:14.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: And it's not, you know, it's not very hard for them to figure out where the calls are coming from or who's doing it.
[42:15.080 --> 42:15.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: Right.
[42:15.660 --> 42:16.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: So you just got to be careful with that kind of stuff.
[42:16.600 --> 42:19.800]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, actually, one of the things is, like, I mean, they do supply it with an 800 number you can call.
[42:20.140 --> 42:23.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: So technically, if you do have somebody else's code, you could just call the 800 number from, like, a pay phone.
[42:24.260 --> 42:24.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[42:24.660 --> 42:25.860]  [SPEAKER_07]: And just use their code to call out.
[42:26.740 --> 42:27.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: I see.
[42:27.400 --> 42:28.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, yeah, I guess, yeah.
[42:29.060 --> 42:29.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: What college is this?
[42:30.560 --> 42:31.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: This is Rutgers.
[42:31.580 --> 42:32.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: Rutgers, okay.
[42:32.640 --> 42:37.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, I'm sure there's people out there that are listening now that go to Rutgers that can probably give us all kinds of information on the system.
[42:37.860 --> 42:39.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: We'll let you know if we find out something.
[42:39.160 --> 42:42.380]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm actually listening to Real Audio right now because the reception here isn't that great.
[42:42.580 --> 42:42.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[42:43.140 --> 42:44.140]  [SPEAKER_07]: And so it's very cool.
[42:44.480 --> 42:44.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: Great.
[42:44.920 --> 42:46.760]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, except there's a little too much bass.
[42:46.940 --> 42:48.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's like, it almost, like, shattered my speakers.
[42:49.160 --> 42:50.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Try turning your bass down.
[42:50.560 --> 42:51.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, I did, yeah.
[42:51.360 --> 42:54.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: But I mean, like, you know, as opposed to the irregular, like, recorded ones.
[42:54.960 --> 42:55.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: Right.
[42:55.560 --> 42:56.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's a little, uh...
[42:56.580 --> 42:57.320]  [SPEAKER_19]: Too much bass.
[42:57.520 --> 43:01.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, those technicians over there handling this, that's a comment from a listener.
[43:01.260 --> 43:01.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: Too much bass.
[43:01.980 --> 43:03.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: We'll try to turn down the bass.
[43:03.360 --> 43:03.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[43:03.960 --> 43:04.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, thanks for calling.
[43:04.800 --> 43:05.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[43:05.900 --> 43:07.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't think I can turn down the bass.
[43:08.120 --> 43:09.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, what am I going to do?
[43:10.680 --> 43:12.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: I guess we just shouldn't speak bassy.
[43:12.980 --> 43:13.300]  [SPEAKER_17]: That's true.
[43:13.500 --> 43:13.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[43:15.060 --> 43:16.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: 212-279-3400.
[43:16.440 --> 43:18.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: So that technically was a call from out of the area.
[43:18.600 --> 43:21.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Rutgers, I guess, is sort of out of the area, even though they really should be in the area.
[43:22.260 --> 43:22.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't know.
[43:22.880 --> 43:25.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's that station from Delaware that keeps interfering with us.
[43:26.020 --> 43:27.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: And, uh, San Francisco.
[43:27.420 --> 43:37.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: So if you're calling from someplace outside the local area, if you're listening on Real Audio, tell us, because you might, you know, go through an entire phone call and not realize that, uh, you know, you're calling from Bombay or something.
[43:37.860 --> 43:39.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: And we just never mentioned that fact.
[43:39.720 --> 43:40.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: It'd be kind of interesting.
[43:40.820 --> 43:41.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening.
[43:41.200 --> 43:41.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're on the air.
[43:41.800 --> 43:42.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yes, Emmanuel.
[43:42.780 --> 43:42.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yes.
[43:43.080 --> 43:44.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh, my finger slipped.
[43:45.480 --> 43:46.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: My finger really slipped.
[43:46.860 --> 43:47.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: My finger really slipped.
[43:47.740 --> 43:48.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: No, we don't have time.
[43:48.820 --> 43:49.320]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening.
[43:49.400 --> 43:49.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're on the air.
[43:50.140 --> 43:51.620]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, uh, how you doing?
[43:51.620 --> 43:53.120]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not from overseas.
[43:53.520 --> 43:54.140]  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, my name is John.
[43:54.300 --> 43:54.780]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm from Brooklyn.
[43:55.120 --> 43:57.500]  [SPEAKER_04]: But I would like to talk about the 2-1-2 issue.
[43:57.920 --> 44:03.780]  [SPEAKER_04]: About 10 years ago, uh, 7-1-8, which was Brooklyn, uh, um, used to be 2-1-2.
[44:04.640 --> 44:05.760]  [SPEAKER_04]: And we gave in.
[44:05.920 --> 44:06.680]  [SPEAKER_04]: We gave up.
[44:06.820 --> 44:07.660]  [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't fight.
[44:07.820 --> 44:08.680]  [SPEAKER_04]: We said nothing.
[44:08.820 --> 44:09.560]  [SPEAKER_04]: We laid down.
[44:09.760 --> 44:14.000]  [SPEAKER_04]: And we allowed the, uh, phone company to change our area code of 2-1-2 to 7-1-8.
[44:14.600 --> 44:20.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: That was something that, uh, I think people of this area would like to forget.
[44:20.240 --> 44:20.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: But, uh, yeah.
[44:20.840 --> 44:22.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, it's, it's, it's certainly something that happened.
[44:22.620 --> 44:25.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: And, uh, I don't think we should ignore the fact that, that we gave in.
[44:25.540 --> 44:28.800]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's something about it being, uh, like an identifying factor.
[44:29.240 --> 44:31.740]  [SPEAKER_04]: And I felt, uh, I felt a split between me and Manhattan.
[44:31.980 --> 44:32.380]  [SPEAKER_04]: I really did.
[44:32.400 --> 44:32.900]  [SPEAKER_04]: And the Bronx.
[44:33.100 --> 44:34.320]  [SPEAKER_04]: And the rest of all boroughs.
[44:34.580 --> 44:35.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, I mean, look what's happening now.
[44:35.540 --> 44:40.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: People on the east side are, are, are, you know, getting the proposal that they're going to be 7-1-8-2, you know.
[44:40.700 --> 44:43.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: And, uh, they're saying, I don't want to be associated with those people.
[44:43.940 --> 44:44.040]  [SPEAKER_19]: Right.
[44:44.040 --> 44:44.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, it happened.
[44:44.880 --> 44:45.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: We were together.
[44:45.500 --> 44:46.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: We were a community.
[44:46.580 --> 44:49.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: And then 7-1-8 came along, and it divided us by the East River.
[44:49.760 --> 44:50.140]  [SPEAKER_04]: It did.
[44:50.480 --> 44:50.820]  [SPEAKER_04]: And, yeah.
[44:51.340 --> 44:52.500]  [SPEAKER_04]: And, well, it's something to think about.
[44:52.680 --> 44:53.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's a damn shame.
[44:53.220 --> 44:54.660]  [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm glad you're addressing that issue.
[44:54.840 --> 44:55.080]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[44:55.260 --> 44:55.480]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[44:55.700 --> 44:56.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: Thank you for calling.
[44:56.200 --> 44:56.560]  [SPEAKER_04]: All righty.
[44:58.860 --> 45:01.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: Is it me, or am I having trouble telling when people are being sarcastic or not?
[45:02.820 --> 45:04.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: Look, it's a real problem, okay?
[45:04.620 --> 45:08.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, 7-1-8 is something that, uh, that, I don't know.
[45:09.140 --> 45:10.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, I, I like the idea.
[45:11.240 --> 45:17.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: If we can't have four-digit area codes, which I think was the best idea, you know, maybe it's not too late to fix that mistake.
[45:17.340 --> 45:20.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: We could have kept 2-1-2 and just added a digit to it, and had 10 of them.
[45:21.320 --> 45:27.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: Um, at least overlay area codes allow most of us to keep the 2-1-2.
[45:27.640 --> 45:29.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: And just new people won't have 2-1-2.
[45:30.560 --> 45:31.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: It doesn't seem fair either, though.
[45:32.140 --> 45:32.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening.
[45:32.540 --> 45:32.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're on the air.
[45:34.460 --> 45:35.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yes, speak up.
[45:35.500 --> 45:36.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's you.
[45:36.200 --> 45:36.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Emmanuel.
[45:36.860 --> 45:37.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yes, how you doing?
[45:37.720 --> 45:38.280]  [SPEAKER_21]: Pretty good, man.
[45:38.300 --> 45:38.860]  [SPEAKER_21]: How's it going on?
[45:38.980 --> 45:39.160]  [SPEAKER_21]: Okay.
[45:39.360 --> 45:39.880]  [SPEAKER_21]: Where are you calling from?
[45:40.180 --> 45:40.920]  [SPEAKER_21]: Uh, West Virginia.
[45:41.320 --> 45:42.000]  [SPEAKER_21]: West Virginia.
[45:42.160 --> 45:42.420]  [SPEAKER_21]: Wow.
[45:43.460 --> 45:45.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, um, do you ever think it would be syndicated?
[45:46.360 --> 45:48.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, well, in a sense, we're syndicated now.
[45:49.060 --> 45:52.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, in, in this, you know, we're sort of syndicating it on our own.
[45:52.820 --> 45:57.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because, you know, Pacifica isn't really the kind of network that, uh, pops up in every city.
[45:57.860 --> 46:00.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, I'm sure you don't have a Pacifica station out there in West Virginia.
[46:00.180 --> 46:01.300]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, I don't think so.
[46:01.480 --> 46:05.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, we have to take technology by the horns and make it work somehow.
[46:05.980 --> 46:07.580]  [SPEAKER_10]: Can I pull you off satellite anywhere?
[46:07.920 --> 46:08.180]  [SPEAKER_10]: No.
[46:09.000 --> 46:12.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: We haven't hijacked a satellite yet, uh, although that could very well happen.
[46:13.280 --> 46:15.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: Um, it's, right now, this is the, this is the best way.
[46:15.980 --> 46:17.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: And we're hoping to do this every week.
[46:17.820 --> 46:20.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: Although, we won't be, for the next three weeks, we're going to be preempted.
[46:20.440 --> 46:25.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: But after that, we should have it down where you can tune in every Tuesday at this time.
[46:25.200 --> 46:29.240]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, because I was going to say, if it was, uh, if you all were local, I could get you all here.
[46:29.240 --> 46:31.100]  [SPEAKER_10]: We're running ISP down here.
[46:31.560 --> 46:33.360]  [SPEAKER_10]: And I could do the real audio for you.
[46:33.480 --> 46:33.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[46:33.800 --> 46:34.700]  [SPEAKER_10]: That wouldn't be a problem.
[46:34.940 --> 46:39.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, um, I know, I know we, we, uh, we're looking for things like that.
[46:40.300 --> 46:45.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: Um, and if you check our website, we're going to have announcements as to what we are doing.
[46:45.860 --> 46:48.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, if we need something, we'll ask about that, too.
[46:48.520 --> 46:50.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, we may very well need to do something like that.
[46:50.440 --> 46:51.220]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, cool.
[46:51.340 --> 46:59.460]  [SPEAKER_10]: Another thing I want to ask you about, a while back, you had written up where you, uh, supposedly could get, uh, voice, or ISCN, you could get, like, a date over voice.
[46:59.680 --> 46:59.940]  [SPEAKER_13]: Right.
[47:00.240 --> 47:02.020]  [SPEAKER_10]: And, and you all didn't get, did you ever get that?
[47:02.420 --> 47:03.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh, you're talking about the thing with PSI?
[47:03.880 --> 47:04.100]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[47:04.280 --> 47:12.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, uh, we, uh, after publicizing it on the webpage and on the radio station, they finally saw Reason and gave us our money back, and, uh, and that was the end of it.
[47:12.300 --> 47:14.120]  [SPEAKER_10]: That's great, because we've been doing it here for a while.
[47:14.220 --> 47:15.780]  [SPEAKER_10]: We've got ADSL here, actually.
[47:15.980 --> 47:17.080]  [SPEAKER_10]: You have ADSL in Western Virginia?
[47:17.080 --> 47:17.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: They're testing it.
[47:17.800 --> 47:18.540]  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't have it.
[47:18.740 --> 47:33.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: A friend of mine's got it, but they're testing it here, and I didn't know how to get in a beta program or anything, but they opened it up, and he got in, and it's just like a network, well, I guess it's like a CSU-DSU, is what it looks like, and then you get a network card,
[47:33.340 --> 47:41.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: and he's running a Linux box, and we get, like, 1.5 meg downloading, but we don't get as much uploading.
[47:41.940 --> 47:42.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[47:42.200 --> 47:43.660]  [SPEAKER_10]: It's like in the 500 or 400K.
[47:44.020 --> 47:46.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: I think it's supposed to be around 640, but, yeah, that sounds about right.
[47:47.080 --> 47:51.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: Now, supposedly, they're going to make it better after they initially install it.
[47:51.120 --> 47:53.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: They'll make it, you know, much faster.
[47:53.640 --> 47:55.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: But, I mean, look at what you have now.
[47:55.620 --> 47:57.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's still, compare that to what you could get with ISDN.
[47:58.360 --> 47:59.440]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, it's 128K.
[47:59.740 --> 48:00.580]  [SPEAKER_10]: It's a lot better.
[48:00.660 --> 48:03.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, it's a lot better than that, and it's using existing copper wire.
[48:03.580 --> 48:06.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: What kind of, do you know what kind of prices they're talking about down there?
[48:06.380 --> 48:07.840]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, I haven't heard anything on prices.
[48:07.960 --> 48:09.940]  [SPEAKER_10]: I actually don't think he's paying anything right now.
[48:10.040 --> 48:10.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[48:10.380 --> 48:11.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: Probably because it's a test?
[48:11.460 --> 48:17.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, but, I mean, I don't know if they're going to mass market it or if the test doesn't go good if they won't market it, but it should.
[48:17.960 --> 48:19.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: I mean, we're at Hick State.
[48:19.460 --> 48:20.760]  [SPEAKER_10]: We have plenty of people who want to get on that.
[48:21.340 --> 48:22.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: What's your phone company?
[48:22.880 --> 48:23.520]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, Beltlanic.
[48:23.660 --> 48:24.620]  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, we're in the same phone company.
[48:24.620 --> 48:24.840]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[48:24.900 --> 48:25.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: How about that?
[48:25.540 --> 48:25.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's right.
[48:25.960 --> 48:27.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: They just took over you all not too long ago.
[48:27.800 --> 48:28.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, they took us over.
[48:28.900 --> 48:31.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: They're putting their plates on our payphones.
[48:31.760 --> 48:33.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: James Earl Jones is everywhere.
[48:33.800 --> 48:37.060]  [SPEAKER_10]: The, uh, when you had the, I was listening to some shows on the web.
[48:37.420 --> 48:39.260]  [SPEAKER_10]: You had them archived for, like, ever.
[48:39.260 --> 48:46.320]  [SPEAKER_10]: Remember, and when you head on Cocots, there's a company around here, and it's a really odd name for them.
[48:46.420 --> 48:48.760]  [SPEAKER_10]: I'll have to find it and call you back whenever you get it back on.
[48:49.080 --> 48:56.060]  [SPEAKER_10]: But they do Cocots, and theirs, you can call, and you can punch in pound one nine, and you can hear what's going on around it.
[48:56.260 --> 48:56.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[48:57.000 --> 48:58.260]  [SPEAKER_10]: And that's very interesting.
[48:58.280 --> 49:01.200]  [SPEAKER_10]: I wonder why they need a feature like that on Cocots.
[49:01.800 --> 49:04.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, they program all kinds of speed dialing in there.
[49:04.520 --> 49:05.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: Pound one nine gave you what?
[49:06.080 --> 49:06.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Because they're unrestricted.
[49:06.700 --> 49:11.420]  [SPEAKER_10]: If you dial in, you can hit pound one nine, and you can hear what was going on around the phone.
[49:11.800 --> 49:12.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh, okay.
[49:12.420 --> 49:12.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: I see what you're saying.
[49:13.080 --> 49:17.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: You dial in, and you hit pound one nine, and it's like a room monitor type of thing.
[49:17.320 --> 49:17.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[49:17.760 --> 49:19.380]  [SPEAKER_10]: See, I wonder why they need a feature like that.
[49:19.860 --> 49:22.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's, uh, I mean, why do you need a feature like that for your answering machine?
[49:22.980 --> 49:23.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: You know?
[49:23.440 --> 49:25.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's just something I guess they decided to put on there.
[49:26.300 --> 49:28.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: It depends on the brand of Cocot, I guess.
[49:29.140 --> 49:34.160]  [SPEAKER_10]: But that was very interesting, just someone to be able to call in and hit it and be able to hear who's around it.
[49:34.220 --> 49:35.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, that is kind of neat.
[49:35.560 --> 49:39.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: The other thing, though, I thought you were talking about this at first, is the speed dialing that they have.
[49:39.260 --> 49:41.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Just try dialing pound and a few numbers on a Cocot.
[49:41.740 --> 49:42.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, they have one.
[49:42.920 --> 49:44.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: And, you know, you get all kinds of shortcuts to other numbers.
[49:45.080 --> 49:45.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: 9-1-1.
[49:46.280 --> 49:47.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, you get that, too, sometimes.
[49:47.440 --> 49:49.940]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that was an accident that happened at our school not too long ago.
[49:50.120 --> 49:50.340]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh-huh.
[49:50.480 --> 49:53.360]  [SPEAKER_10]: We have all Cocots, and someone was hitting pound something, like 1-1-8.
[49:53.780 --> 49:55.060]  [SPEAKER_10]: It was taking them to 9-1-1.
[49:55.320 --> 49:57.800]  [SPEAKER_21]: Did they, wait, did they write a letter to 2600 about that?
[49:57.900 --> 50:00.000]  [SPEAKER_10]: It was, well, there was one written a long time ago.
[50:00.000 --> 50:02.700]  [SPEAKER_10]: I don't know if it was there or not, because this happened, like, three years ago.
[50:02.700 --> 50:02.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[50:03.060 --> 50:08.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: We printed a letter, I think, either last issue or the one before that, about something like that happening to somebody with a Cocot in a school.
[50:08.520 --> 50:11.280]  [SPEAKER_10]: It may have been it, but, yeah, that's got into our school, too, now.
[50:11.440 --> 50:11.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[50:12.420 --> 50:14.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: So all these kids are dialing 9-1-1 by accident.
[50:14.740 --> 50:14.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[50:15.100 --> 50:15.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: Getting in a lot of trouble.
[50:16.080 --> 50:16.720]  [SPEAKER_10]: They'll take it easy.
[50:16.980 --> 50:17.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, thanks for calling.
[50:17.880 --> 50:18.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, man, see ya.
[50:18.540 --> 50:18.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: Take care.
[50:19.760 --> 50:22.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: West Virginia, Rutgers, and San Francisco tonight.
[50:22.260 --> 50:22.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Not bad.
[50:23.160 --> 50:24.040]  [SPEAKER_19]: Not too shabby.
[50:24.740 --> 50:30.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: Let's see if anybody out of the country, Canada, Mexico, Europe, Asia, Antarctica, Africa.
[50:30.920 --> 50:31.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening.
[50:31.500 --> 50:31.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're on the air.
[50:32.120 --> 50:32.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, good evening.
[50:32.560 --> 50:33.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: How are you doing, guys?
[50:33.440 --> 50:33.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: Pretty good.
[50:33.760 --> 50:33.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: How are you?
[50:34.160 --> 50:34.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[50:34.480 --> 50:35.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a first-time listener.
[50:35.680 --> 50:37.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm calling from Connecticut, not that far away.
[50:37.460 --> 50:37.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[50:37.880 --> 50:39.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're listening on the radio, right?
[50:39.220 --> 50:42.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I listen on the radio, and I just watch it over the web here, too.
[50:43.920 --> 50:45.380]  [SPEAKER_03]: Just want to see you guys doing a great job.
[50:45.500 --> 50:47.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've been looking for something like this for a long time.
[50:47.900 --> 50:48.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, you found it.
[50:48.680 --> 50:50.320]  [SPEAKER_19]: And we've been on the air for a long time, too.
[50:50.680 --> 50:52.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: Our first show was 1988, I think.
[50:52.840 --> 51:01.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I first found your guy's magazine in a magazine store called Barnes & Noble, and I just started breezing through it, and I found a lot of likings in there.
[51:01.580 --> 51:01.900]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh-huh.
[51:01.900 --> 51:03.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I just had a quick question for you.
[51:03.900 --> 51:04.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.
[51:04.340 --> 51:09.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you have anybody, any backdoor access codes for Octel voice messaging systems?
[51:10.280 --> 51:12.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, we usually give out the codes at the end of the night.
[51:12.720 --> 51:13.020]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[51:14.960 --> 51:18.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: But I don't think we have anything like that on us right now.
[51:18.720 --> 51:18.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[51:18.900 --> 51:21.660]  [SPEAKER_19]: If they exist, though, you'll hear about them.
[51:21.860 --> 51:22.080]  [SPEAKER_13]: Perfect.
[51:22.320 --> 51:22.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[51:22.720 --> 51:23.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: Thanks for calling.
[51:24.280 --> 51:26.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: But seriously, folks, we don't give out codes in the air.
[51:26.640 --> 51:31.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: We don't give out codes in the magazine, and we don't advise people be too liberal with codes.
[51:31.700 --> 51:33.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: Just methodology is what we're about.
[51:33.900 --> 51:35.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: Figuring out how to do it.
[51:35.580 --> 51:38.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Figuring out how the system works, where the weaknesses are, that kind of thing.
[51:39.260 --> 51:42.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: And then it's up to you to do whatever your values tell you to do.
[51:43.040 --> 51:43.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[51:43.600 --> 51:43.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening.
[51:44.380 --> 51:45.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oops, I guess I got to hit the button first.
[51:45.400 --> 51:45.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening.
[51:45.740 --> 51:46.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're on the air.
[51:46.920 --> 51:47.180]  [SPEAKER_19]: Hi.
[51:47.360 --> 51:47.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: How you doing?
[51:47.960 --> 51:48.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm doing pretty good.
[51:48.620 --> 51:48.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: How are you?
[51:49.140 --> 51:49.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: Pretty good.
[51:49.720 --> 51:50.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: Where are you calling from?
[51:50.440 --> 51:52.040]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm calling from Columbus, Ohio.
[51:52.360 --> 51:53.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: Columbus, Ohio.
[51:53.340 --> 51:53.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Wow.
[51:54.060 --> 51:54.640]  [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[51:55.080 --> 51:57.160]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I was listening to you on the web.
[51:57.360 --> 51:58.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's the real heartland of America there.
[51:58.820 --> 51:59.420]  [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[51:59.660 --> 51:59.960]  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[51:59.960 --> 52:01.520]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's the vast cow town.
[52:02.880 --> 52:04.040]  [SPEAKER_19]: Hey, don't knock cows.
[52:04.240 --> 52:05.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, we need cows.
[52:06.040 --> 52:06.420]  [SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[52:06.660 --> 52:06.820]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[52:07.160 --> 52:07.500]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[52:07.820 --> 52:09.240]  [SPEAKER_06]: I was listening to you on the web.
[52:09.600 --> 52:11.780]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, of course, I'd disconnect to call you.
[52:12.160 --> 52:14.440]  [SPEAKER_06]: I just want to let you know that, hey, it's working.
[52:14.780 --> 52:15.040]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uh-huh.
[52:15.240 --> 52:16.420]  [SPEAKER_06]: And it's almost as good.
[52:16.540 --> 52:18.860]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's just a little, you know, a little bit of a fuzz or anything.
[52:19.180 --> 52:23.240]  [SPEAKER_06]: But almost as good as your normal real audio shows and all that that are on there.
[52:23.360 --> 52:24.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: Would you say we're too bassy?
[52:24.900 --> 52:25.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: What's that?
[52:25.520 --> 52:26.320]  [SPEAKER_19]: Are we too bassy?
[52:27.180 --> 52:27.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: Bassy?
[52:27.720 --> 52:28.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Too much bass.
[52:28.500 --> 52:29.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Do you think there's too much bass?
[52:29.740 --> 52:31.700]  [SPEAKER_06]: No, there's just kind of like a hiss in the background.
[52:32.420 --> 52:33.980]  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what you call that, but...
[52:33.980 --> 52:34.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[52:35.340 --> 52:39.120]  [SPEAKER_06]: But, anyways, I like the show and I just wanted to call to say hi.
[52:39.260 --> 52:40.340]  [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm listening from Columbus.
[52:40.620 --> 52:40.800]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[52:40.880 --> 52:41.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, thanks for calling.
[52:41.620 --> 52:41.780]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh-huh.
[52:42.000 --> 52:42.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: Bye.
[52:42.120 --> 52:42.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: Take care, then.
[52:43.260 --> 52:43.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[52:43.840 --> 52:45.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, we've heard from Columbus, West Virginia...
[52:45.360 --> 52:46.280]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, Columbus, Ohio.
[52:46.660 --> 52:46.900]  [SPEAKER_06]: Correct.
[52:47.080 --> 52:51.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: There's West Virginia, San Francisco, and Rutgers, New Jersey.
[52:51.300 --> 52:52.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: Maybe we shouldn't have Rutgers in there.
[52:52.820 --> 52:53.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: It just sounds out of place somehow.
[52:54.280 --> 52:54.620]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it's too close.
[52:54.920 --> 52:55.920]  [SPEAKER_17]: Columbus would have been interesting.
[52:56.280 --> 52:58.000]  [SPEAKER_17]: You know, raise a man from the dead and have him call in.
[52:58.040 --> 52:58.400]  [SPEAKER_17]: That'd be cool.
[52:58.800 --> 52:59.120]  [SPEAKER_21]: Yeah.
[52:59.340 --> 53:00.000]  [SPEAKER_21]: Good evening.
[53:00.140 --> 53:00.540]  [SPEAKER_21]: You're on the air.
[53:00.860 --> 53:01.340]  [SPEAKER_21]: Hey, Emmanuel.
[53:01.580 --> 53:01.960]  [SPEAKER_21]: How you doing?
[53:02.240 --> 53:02.540]  [SPEAKER_21]: Fine.
[53:02.740 --> 53:03.240]  [SPEAKER_21]: Where are you calling from?
[53:03.880 --> 53:05.380]  [SPEAKER_21]: Do you really want me to make your day?
[53:06.580 --> 53:06.940]  [SPEAKER_21]: Um...
[53:06.940 --> 53:07.240]  [SPEAKER_21]: Okay.
[53:07.520 --> 53:07.880]  [SPEAKER_21]: World?
[53:08.440 --> 53:09.320]  [SPEAKER_21]: Greece from Greece.
[53:09.720 --> 53:10.800]  [SPEAKER_21]: You're not calling from Greece.
[53:11.040 --> 53:11.580]  [SPEAKER_21]: Why not?
[53:12.160 --> 53:12.520]  [SPEAKER_21]: Uh...
[53:13.380 --> 53:14.080]  [SPEAKER_21]: I don't know.
[53:14.160 --> 53:17.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: You don't sound like you're calling from Greece somehow, and, uh...
[53:17.960 --> 53:18.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[53:18.700 --> 53:19.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, wait.
[53:19.520 --> 53:20.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: Wait, wait.
[53:20.300 --> 53:21.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: You've got to prove it to me somehow.
[53:21.760 --> 53:22.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[53:22.440 --> 53:23.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: What time is it there now?
[53:23.600 --> 53:23.680]  [SPEAKER_21]: Ah.
[53:23.880 --> 53:24.240]  [SPEAKER_21]: All right.
[53:24.300 --> 53:26.380]  [SPEAKER_21]: Right now, it's...
[53:26.380 --> 53:27.620]  [SPEAKER_21]: Excuse me, 4 a.m.
[53:27.800 --> 53:28.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's 4 a.m.?
[53:28.540 --> 53:29.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: 4 a.m.
[53:29.100 --> 53:31.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, it's actually 7 minutes to 4 a.m., right?
[53:31.300 --> 53:32.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: Eh, something like that.
[53:32.660 --> 53:33.060]  [SPEAKER_19]: Close.
[53:33.060 --> 53:33.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[53:33.540 --> 53:34.600]  [SPEAKER_19]: We will be checking on...
[53:34.600 --> 53:35.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh, you have a computer that's going to check that?
[53:36.000 --> 53:36.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: We're checking right now.
[53:37.080 --> 53:38.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: What is your country code, please?
[53:39.300 --> 53:40.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: Country code would be...
[53:40.240 --> 53:40.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, it's been verified.
[53:41.120 --> 53:43.000]  [SPEAKER_11]: Zero, three, one.
[53:43.740 --> 53:44.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: Three, one.
[53:44.680 --> 53:45.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: We have...
[53:45.380 --> 53:46.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: We've brought in a Greek person.
[53:47.200 --> 53:48.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, and, uh...
[53:48.380 --> 53:48.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: Calimera.
[53:48.880 --> 53:50.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, can you...
[53:50.780 --> 53:52.100]  [SPEAKER_19]: Can you say something to this person?
[53:52.220 --> 53:53.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: Put on those headphones.
[53:53.920 --> 53:55.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: And just say something...
[53:55.680 --> 53:56.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: Say something in that language.
[53:56.860 --> 53:57.320]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
[54:04.400 --> 54:06.660]  [SPEAKER_20]: I had an emergency back home.
[54:06.800 --> 54:07.280]  [SPEAKER_20]: Okay, wait.
[54:07.560 --> 54:07.820]  [SPEAKER_20]: Go ahead.
[54:07.980 --> 54:08.260]  [SPEAKER_20]: Speak.
[54:10.620 --> 54:10.940]  [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[54:14.280 --> 54:15.620]  [SPEAKER_01]: He's calling from Patra.
[54:16.220 --> 54:17.400]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm calling from Patra, Greece.
[54:17.980 --> 54:19.380]  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, are you in the university there?
[54:19.840 --> 54:22.060]  [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, yeah, but...
[54:22.060 --> 54:23.500]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm not exactly at the university.
[54:24.420 --> 54:24.860]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm...
[54:25.420 --> 54:27.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, let's just say it's...
[54:27.300 --> 54:28.380]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'll disclose that...
[54:28.380 --> 54:30.360]  [SPEAKER_11]: I won't disclose that information, because...
[54:30.360 --> 54:32.300]  [SPEAKER_21]: You're not writing a call through Greece, are you?
[54:34.920 --> 54:36.300]  [SPEAKER_21]: So, where are you really?
[54:37.360 --> 54:39.320]  [SPEAKER_21]: I'm in Greece, as far as you guys are concerned.
[54:39.420 --> 54:40.760]  [SPEAKER_19]: Of course, we're concerned, yes.
[54:40.760 --> 54:44.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yes, but, uh, you're not really in Greece right now, now, are you?
[54:45.700 --> 54:46.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, I...
[54:46.420 --> 54:47.580]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's a big world, okay?
[54:47.600 --> 54:48.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: No one's going to find you.
[54:49.760 --> 54:50.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, okay.
[54:50.820 --> 54:51.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[54:51.180 --> 54:53.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're a Greek person that knows how to route phone calls through Greece.
[54:53.800 --> 54:54.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's fine.
[54:54.220 --> 54:54.420]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[54:54.860 --> 54:58.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: Actually, there are about 20 people that own Greece, so...
[54:58.680 --> 54:59.040]  [SPEAKER_19]: Really?
[55:00.000 --> 55:01.600]  [SPEAKER_11]: All right, ask Manos over there.
[55:02.320 --> 55:04.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: And the Anastas family is not one of them, I take it.
[55:05.560 --> 55:06.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: All right.
[55:06.120 --> 55:08.520]  [SPEAKER_11]: Now, just like I had an emergency back home, and I had to fly back...
[55:08.520 --> 55:09.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: I had to fly there.
[55:09.340 --> 55:12.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: And I knew you guys were going to connect us, because I was talking to Porkchop.
[55:13.100 --> 55:13.320]  [SPEAKER_11]: Uh-huh.
[55:13.440 --> 55:15.800]  [SPEAKER_11]: And, uh, I started connecting, and I'll be...
[55:15.800 --> 55:18.500]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'll set a world record for talking to the hook.
[55:18.800 --> 55:19.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[55:19.200 --> 55:26.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, okay, that'd be great, but, uh, you gotta be actually sitting overseas listening to the show on a computer for it to be an official world record.
[55:26.660 --> 55:26.980]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[55:27.260 --> 55:28.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm listening to a computer.
[55:28.540 --> 55:28.680]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm listening.
[55:28.840 --> 55:29.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm taking the seat on a computer.
[55:30.240 --> 55:33.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yes, but you're not overseas listening to it on a computer, are you?
[55:34.820 --> 55:35.140]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well...
[55:35.140 --> 55:36.540]  [SPEAKER_19]: No, I think the hesitation...
[55:36.540 --> 55:37.040]  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm not going to say that, all right?
[55:37.080 --> 55:39.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: The hesitation in your voice tells me that you are not, but it's...
[55:39.860 --> 55:40.380]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[55:40.380 --> 55:40.880]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's a start.
[55:41.020 --> 55:41.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: It's a start.
[55:41.460 --> 55:42.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: We got a phone call from Greece.
[55:42.780 --> 55:44.180]  [SPEAKER_11]: You are the social engineer.
[55:44.340 --> 55:48.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: We got a phone call from Greece, and I'm sure we'll be getting a phone call from AT&T later on asking for a phone call from Greece.
[55:49.000 --> 55:51.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: But thank you very much for calling in and sharing that with us.
[55:51.540 --> 55:53.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: Let's see if we can squeeze in one more phone call.
[55:53.200 --> 55:53.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: Good evening.
[55:54.040 --> 55:54.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're on the air.
[55:55.880 --> 55:56.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: Speak up.
[55:56.740 --> 55:57.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: You're on the air.
[55:58.200 --> 55:58.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, you.
[55:58.720 --> 55:59.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm calling from Knoxville, Tennessee.
[56:00.440 --> 56:01.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: Nashville, Tennessee.
[56:01.540 --> 56:01.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Knoxville.
[56:02.140 --> 56:02.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Knoxville, Tennessee.
[56:02.980 --> 56:03.140]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[56:03.260 --> 56:04.900]  [SPEAKER_19]: You must get a lot of confusion there with Nashville.
[56:05.580 --> 56:06.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: Sorry about that.
[56:06.380 --> 56:07.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, well, that's okay.
[56:07.400 --> 56:08.080]  [SPEAKER_19]: Knoxville, Tennessee.
[56:08.420 --> 56:08.640]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh-huh.
[56:08.920 --> 56:09.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: Wow.
[56:09.420 --> 56:11.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Just wanted to say I really love your show.
[56:11.600 --> 56:12.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh, that's cool.
[56:13.440 --> 56:14.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: Signal's coming in okay?
[56:14.400 --> 56:15.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Are the real audio's coming in okay?
[56:15.700 --> 56:17.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's coming in over the 28-8.
[56:17.480 --> 56:19.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a few seconds behind here.
[56:19.760 --> 56:21.260]  [SPEAKER_19]: Are you listening to it right now?
[56:21.660 --> 56:22.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[56:22.020 --> 56:24.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: Can you hold the phone up so I can say something and see how long the delay is?
[56:25.080 --> 56:25.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, sure.
[56:25.780 --> 56:25.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[56:26.560 --> 56:27.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: Testing, one, two, three, four.
[56:27.980 --> 56:29.280]  [SPEAKER_21]: Are you listening to it right now?
[56:29.360 --> 56:30.060]  [SPEAKER_21]: Wow, that's delayed.
[56:30.220 --> 56:32.920]  [SPEAKER_21]: Can you hold the phone up so I can say something and see how long the delay is?
[56:33.060 --> 56:33.520]  [SPEAKER_21]: Okay, sure.
[56:33.760 --> 56:34.020]  [SPEAKER_21]: Okay.
[56:35.180 --> 56:36.220]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's a long delay.
[56:36.420 --> 56:36.780]  [SPEAKER_19]: Did you get it?
[56:36.980 --> 56:37.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, wow.
[56:38.040 --> 56:39.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's more of a delay than we usually are.
[56:40.020 --> 56:40.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, wow.
[56:40.780 --> 56:41.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: That is something.
[56:41.680 --> 56:47.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, listen, thanks very much for calling up, and hopefully we'll be on again every week, although not for the next three weeks.
[56:47.120 --> 56:48.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, no, I can't wait to get back up.
[56:48.680 --> 56:49.000]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay.
[56:49.240 --> 56:49.980]  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, thanks again for calling.
[56:50.100 --> 56:50.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Thank you.
[56:50.520 --> 56:50.840]  [SPEAKER_19]: Take care.
[56:50.840 --> 56:52.940]  [SPEAKER_19]: And that's going to conclude our show for tonight.
[56:54.180 --> 56:55.720]  [SPEAKER_19]: This live show over the internet.
[56:56.040 --> 56:57.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: Seems to have reached all over the place.
[56:57.720 --> 56:58.440]  [SPEAKER_19]: But maybe not Greece.
[56:59.440 --> 56:59.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Don't know.
[56:59.760 --> 57:00.560]  [SPEAKER_19]: We'll find out about that.
[57:01.740 --> 57:05.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: Again, we won't be around next week, the week after, or the week after that.
[57:05.340 --> 57:06.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: But we will be back on October 24th.
[57:07.460 --> 57:09.340]  [SPEAKER_19]: And hopefully we'll be here for a while then.
[57:09.660 --> 57:12.820]  [SPEAKER_19]: And we expect to be on the net every week from that point on.
[57:13.040 --> 57:20.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, I guess connect to that same old website when you find yourself online next Tuesday.
[57:20.620 --> 57:21.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: The next Tuesday that comes around.
[57:22.100 --> 57:23.480]  [SPEAKER_19]: So, Manuel Goldstein for everybody.
[57:23.820 --> 57:24.700]  [SPEAKER_19]: Have yourselves a good night.
[57:24.880 --> 57:25.680]  [SPEAKER_19]: We'll talk to you later.
[57:25.780 --> 57:25.920]  [SPEAKER_19]: Bye.
[57:36.900 --> 57:50.640]  [SPEAKER_16]: The telephone keeps ringing So I ripped it off the wall I cut myself while shaving Now I can't make a call It couldn't get much worse I
[57:56.460 --> 57:58.840]  [SPEAKER_15]: hope that's understood But make me go!
[58:31.090 --> 58:34.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: 50 years since the Central Intelligence Agency was settled