what will you remember about 1997 god what happened in 97 1997 i found this bizarre
fascinating from beginning to end because it just it came and it went we got to see these
really terrific pictures of another planet so close and so crisp and i can't wait to see the
more of albert tape on the internet where you can get little bites of 1997. it came and it went
time just has flown by so quickly it's 97. actually for me 1997 has been a trying year
cut the head in half using a bandsaw and scoop the brains out tune in for a shortcut through 1997
blast the brain out with water or air new year's eve at 11 that's the brain out
a shortcut what about free speech here on listener sponsored wbai 99.5 fm what about free speech
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i've got my position to think of and you listen to radio station wbai new york it's eight o'clock time
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the telephone keeps ringing so i ripped it off the wall i cut myself while shaving now i can't make a call
it couldn't get much worse but if they could they would
from diddley bum for the best expect the worst i hope that's understood
from diddley bum
hello
Thank you.
As well as all of our listeners here in New York City.
First, a little note from Fiber.
This is concerning something that happened last week where we were talking about ABSL service potentially coming to New York.
Well, it was being offered through UUNED and Fiber set out to look into it because, as you know, he has a vested interest in making sure that ADSL does not come to town within a year because of that sort of challenge where he has to eat his hat if it's available before, I think, August of next year.
He says UUNED does not currently offer ADSL.
Well, they're offering what they're calling IDSL, not to be confused with what 9X was going to call IDSL, though it stands for the same thing.
All it is is 128K ISDN over a dedicated line to your ISP so you're not paying switched ISDN rates to the local telco.
It's a cheaper solution for people who want to be connected at 128K 24 hours a day without paying by the minute.
Feel free to check out UUNED's website.
However, there won't be any hat-eating anytime soon.
Sincerely, Fiber Optic.
So that's the latest as far as that goes.
We'll continue to update people on the availability of ADSL in this local area.
Now, speaking of local area, I guess it's a good time as any to read this letter that we got from a listener.
We don't know where this listener is, actually.
They're someplace.
They're not here.
They're not in the United States.
I'm a hacker living outside the U.S.
I think your radio program is excellent, but it could be better.
It seems that you give a lot of emphasis to what is going on in the U.S.
and not what is going on throughout the world.
I'm not interested in hearing about whether ADSL is available in New York or not.
Is this a timely letter or what?
Now that you are being broadcast over the Internet,
please keep in mind that a majority of your listeners are not from your area
and thus aren't interested in knowing what is going on in your area.
There are many other more important things to talk about
and what is going on in such a small area of the world.
If you have nothing more important to talk about,
feel free to spend more time taking phone calls
or talking about new security bugs in networks.
Things turn up all the time.
Well, first of all, let me just address one point.
Yes, it is a small area of the world,
but it's the best area of the world, right?
Okay, so just feed on that for a little while.
But no, the most important thing, though, is that this person seems to be forgetting,
yes, we are broadcasting to all the world over the Internet,
but that does not mean that most of our listeners are the people listening to us on the Internet.
We're getting a few, you know, a couple of hundred here and there.
But we're at this radio station on the top of the Empire State Building in New York City,
which is kind of big, and we have a lot more listeners over the radio, as far as I can see.
But the most realistic thing I can say is that we're in New York,
so therefore we're going to be talking about things that we see,
that we experience, that are happening to us.
And I assume you're listening because that's of some interest to you.
We can't talk about things in Poland because we're not there, you know?
We could do remote shows in other cities, I guess,
if the people of those cities want to send us over there, we can work something out, I guess.
But I'm glad people are listening from all over the world.
And if you want to send us information about stuff that's going on in other parts of the world,
we certainly will be happy to read about it and tell people various things.
Okay, more letters.
Just so you guys stop obsessing about hages and Scottish food.
All right.
Haggis states at the bottom of their quote-unquote threat that it stands for
Hackers Against Geeks in Snowsuits.
I'm guessing NASA.
Well, that's from Sin Flood, president of Black Hand.
I don't even want to know what that's all about.
But, yeah, I guess that's what supposedly it stands for.
But it is a word still, and Haggis supposedly means sheep guts,
and I don't understand it, and it's all this Scottish stuff going on.
And we'll figure it all out.
A couple of things.
Speaking of Yahoo and web hacks and things like that,
we mentioned the av.yahoo.com slash bin slash query thing a couple of weeks ago.
That's where you could click on the URL and see random searches that people were inputting.
Well, that no longer works.
The person who sent it to us actually sent us a letter telling us this.
He says, I suppose with the address being broadcast all over the world
and Yahoo being hacked, they disabled it.
You can no longer see what people are searching for.
Thanks for telling people about it.
And there's no sarcasm in here either.
Even if Yahoo doesn't like it, someone has to give out information.
Sincerely, Code Freeze.
And thank you very much for giving us the information in the first place.
And there is new information, too.
You guys might find this fun.
Although I'm told that it's already available on their main page anyway.
But you can get random URLs from Yahoo.
And if you want some fun, if you set your home page to be this,
every time you go into your browser, you'll get a totally different web page from God knows where.
And the address is random.yahoo.com slash bin slash R-Y-L.
Random.yahoo.com slash bin slash R-Y-L.
And it goes to a random URL that I suppose somebody is accessing,
which is the reason why it shows up.
I was playing with the last nine.
Boy, there's a lot of sick people in this world.
I mean, some of the things people are accessing,
I just never would have even thought to look for those.
But you live and learn.
Okay.
And a letter concerning MetroCard, in case you or your listeners haven't heard about this,
I'd like to bring to your attention a glitch in the program controlling the MetroCard,
that's the New York City transit system for all those people in other parts of the globe.
When one has spent one's last fare,
one cannot get the free transfer from the bus to the train.
This happened to me last Saturday when I used my card to board the Q60 bus
at approximately 9.30 a.m.,
and then attempted to enter the 60th Street Lexington Avenue subway station
on the downtown side at approximately 10.30.
When I checked with the token clerk,
she informed me that there was no money left on the card
but had no explanation to offer about the lack of a transfer.
The two-hour limit definitely had not been reached.
Subsequently, a friend inquired about this problem for me
while making a visit to the J Street Transit Authority MetroCard Center.
He was told unofficially by a TA employee that a problem does, in fact, exist.
This person is asking that any listeners who have experienced this problem
can contact the TA so that they will feel pressured to take action.
For me, the loss of 75 cents does not constitute a hardship.
It is the principle of the thing which rankles.
However, for some low-income people, such as WEP workers,
who are not eligible for the half-fair program,
the additional $150 expense may mean the difference
between having a much-needed drink or snack at work or doing without.
Let's make sure we receive all the benefits to which we are legally entitled.
So that's apparently the bug happens when you use your MetroCard to transfer
and it's the last fare on the MetroCard.
So I guess if you have, I don't know, a $5 MetroCard or something like that
and you use up the last fare, try to transfer at that point.
If it doesn't work, let us know.
If it does work, let us know, too.
Because we'd certainly like to find out about that.
MetroCard updates here.
And a letter concerning our guests of last week
concerning the anti-online feature in the last broadcast.
These people here, we're also trying to obtain a network connection
from a college that we wish to remain nameless
because we are still working on getting a connection for our server.
However, we can readily identify with your guest
and the bureaucracy he had to deal with.
We are also dealing with the same moronic administrators
except in our case, we actually have support from some faculty, NMIS.
The bandwidth excuse seems to be very common among college administrators
even though most, if not all, don't know what it is.
Some even refer to it as the pirating of copyrighted music.
Yeah.
They seem to be making policies up as they go
but we have obtained an agreement.
The key to our hoped-for success is we gave them no alternative.
That's always a good key.
We formed a valid organization and documented everything.
Even so, we spent six months beating around the bureaucratic bush
with these fools who understand nothing but their own egos.
Here are some direct quotes from instructors slash administrators.
I know everything there is to know about Windows 95, even though I've never seen it.
Number two, you don't need a mouse in Windows 95.
Technically, you don't, but it really comes in handy.
Okay, here's another one.
Oh, look, here's a computer and it even comes with a pen.
Comes with a pen.
All right.
And now an administrator quote here.
Your Unix server will be more secure behind our firewall.
We'll just map a link to it.
Okay.
Here's another one from the same administrator.
You can't write webpages with JavaScript because it doesn't work with Netscape 1.0.
Who's running Netscape 1.0 anyway?
Whew.
And finally, we have specially built...
Actually, this isn't the last one.
We have specially built hardware which we can only run this OS on,
and we just spent $50,000 to upgrade to Pentium's that can only run this OS.
Yeah, that sounds about right.
How about this from the instructor?
The entire Internet is stored on the big computer downstairs, actually.
You can go down there.
You can go down there and see it through the window.
You must use DOS Edit to write your visual basic forms.
And the person closes by saying,
if Fiverr doesn't believe a word of this, tough beans,
we've had to sit through hours of classes of this.
So, yeah.
Free Kevin Mitnick.
Scotland Independence now.
I don't know why the two of them are linked.
But let me tell you something.
It's a lot easier to free Scotland than it is to free Kevin Mitnick.
And what's with the Scottish links all of a sudden?
Scottish sheep guts and Scottish independence?
It just never seems to end here.
I was listening to the Real Audio broadcast of October 28th.
Bernie mentioned a Qualcomm phone that is dual mode.
In Canada, we have a company called ClearNet
that is using a phone by Qualcomm and Sony.
The phone is quite nice.
I have not had it drop out to cellular yet.
That means analog.
So I can't mention the quality,
but the digital sound is quite nice.
The phone has what they call a jog dial,
which is a little wheel that you use to navigate the menus.
It's interesting.
It's the only phone that I have seen that has this.
We have two new companies in Toronto.
So FIDO, which is GSM,
and ClearNet, which is CDMA and the analog that are PCS.
The price is quite reasonable,
$150 Canadian for the phone,
$25 a month for 100 minutes,
including voicemail, caller ID, call waiting,
and text messaging until February 98.
Additional stuff is three-way calling and call forwarding,
paging service, and text messaging.
On the same note, Fiverr mentioned that CDMA doesn't have SSM,
but I think it means SMS.
I think that ClearNet has messaging.
People can email me using the net or program,
which they make you pay for.
My email address is just the phone number,
416 and seven more numbers at MS.
No, he really doesn't give the numbers.
At MSG.ClearNet.com.
It's kind of neat, but the funny thing is
that if a person sends me an email message,
the timestamp is five hours ahead of the time it was sent.
Sounds like somebody didn't set their GMT clock
to be in the right time zone.
Anyway, the rate's a 20 cents a minute charged by the second,
but some of the neat features that they claim I can get...
Well, they don't go on as to what those features are.
I don't have it here in front of me.
But you also have to give out certain bits of information up there
as far as who you are in order to get service,
which leaves a lot of people out.
If you don't have a credit card, for instance,
can be a little bit difficult.
The other cool thing is that ClearNet claims
I get 20 cents a minute long distance anywhere in North America.
I haven't gotten my bill yet to see if this is true.
We had a mail strike, so I'm still waiting for the bill.
I'll let you know when I get the bill.
So I'm waiting here to find out about that.
And that's the CDMA company up there, ClearNet,
which seems to be offering a better deal than the GSM.
And the same seems to be holding true here, too,
as far as bills that people get.
The CDMA bills are generally lower, or so it seems.
The calling plans are more reasonable.
Bernie S., you there?
I'm here, and I'm on my spring PCS CDMA phone.
How's that working out for you there?
It's working great.
Yeah?
Well, you might be interested in this, too.
This is something that I got from a magazine called Microwave News.
They talk about all kinds of radio emissions
and dangers to health, that kind of thing.
And this is from a letter to the editor, actually,
called CDMA versus TDMA Health Impacts.
I believe that the European and planned world
GSM digital mobile phone standard
will be found to have been a disastrous choice.
GSM signals appear to be biologically active
and capable of causing disabling health effects.
New evidence shows that the regular pulsing of GSM signals
disrupts important biological processes,
while time-division multiple-access TDMA systems,
like GSM, TIA, IS54,
emit regular short bursts of high-energy data pulses
at extremely low frequencies.
The co-division multiple-access CDMA digital system,
TIA, IS95,
emits a far more continuous stream of data
with very little periodicity.
Indeed, as far as our bodies are concerned,
the CDMA signal resembles a noisy,
fully amplitude-modulated analog signal.
The handsets can also run
a considerably lower peak transmission power
than those using GSM.
In the long run,
microwaves may play a role in the development of cancer.
However, it is becoming increasingly clear
that the regular pulsing of the TDMA signal
may cause neurological problems
in the short and medium terms.
GSM, IS54,
and digital cordless phones
deliver sharp-edged,
extremely low frequencies,
ELF magnetic pulses
with an amplitude of
severo microtesla into the user's head.
These pulses arise
due to current surges from the battery.
Most studies have only simulated
the microwave signals
and ignored these magnetic ELF pulses.
I believe that the headaches, fatigue,
confusion, memory loss,
and anxiety problems
that are now being regularly reported
by users of GSM phones
will be confirmed
in the large-scale EC-funded study,
which is due to be completed next February.
Memory loss,
which can eventually appear
as permanent dementia,
does not appear to occur
with the use of analog mobile phones.
On the other hand,
I do not believe
that memory and dementia problems
will be seen among users
of the IS95 CDMA system.
South Korea has selected this technology
for its second-generation cellular system,
making it a good place
for an epidemiological study.
If the CDMA signals
do not produce early dementia effects,
the imperatives of public health
would justify scrapping the GSM
and IS54 systems
and replacing them
with the Safer CDMA digital system.
And that was written
by Alasdair Phillips,
consultant,
I don't want to say
what he's a consultant for,
but he's a consultant
over there in England.
And what do you think
about that, Bernie?
I think he might be
an investment consultant
for IS95 proponents.
Well, that's a possibility, too.
But actually,
I haven't experienced
any dementia,
any additional dementia,
after using my IS95-type phone.
Well, yeah,
but you're not supposed to
because that's...
That's right.
I'm not supposed to.
But if I were using
an Omnipoint phone,
as you were in the past,
do you notice any less dementia
now that you're using
a CDMA phone?
Well, I guess...
The dementia I was getting,
I thought,
was because of
the Omnipoint people
I had to deal with.
That made me almost mad.
But, no, I didn't notice.
I did notice the phone
got rather hot.
Yeah.
And, you know,
that kind of bugs me
a little bit.
But this is something...
You've got to study these things.
You have to have studies
to determine if this is hazardous
because everyone's
sticking these things up
next to their heads
and talking on them
for long periods of time.
You know,
I think we need to know
these things
if they're hazardous or not.
You'll probably see,
if this goes more public
than in a narrow publication
like Microwave News,
you may see the GSM industry
pulling out all the stops
and funding all kinds
of medical studies
proving that their phones
are completely safe,
just like the cellular industry,
if you remember,
a few years ago.
Pulled out all the stops.
To be honest,
I haven't seen the GSM industry
doing much to promote GSM recently.
So I don't know
if they're going to be
doing medical things.
I mean, I went...
You heard about what happened
to the Wiz, right?
Oh, yeah.
Somebody beat them pretty good.
Well, they've gone Chapter 11
and I went over to a Wiz.
You know, not so much
to mock them,
but just to find out the facts,
you know,
as to what's going on,
if this store's going to be open,
you know,
what are you going to do
with the rest of your life,
that kind of thing.
And while I was there,
I figured I'd look
for the new Ericsson phones
and maybe get one of those
for the Omnipoint service I have.
And wouldn't you know it,
they didn't have
any Omnipoint phones.
The Omnipoint people,
they said,
were no longer there.
They just sort of left.
They said...
This is out on the island.
They have a transmitter
on the roof,
and this is according
to a Wiz employee.
I'm not saying this is gospel,
but that's what I was told,
is that they just
were getting a lot of complaints
and they just sort of
left everything there,
including the transmitter.
And they're not
maintaining it at all.
Meanwhile,
they have a big
Sprint PCS display now.
So I don't know
where this thing is going,
but it's kind of frustrating.
Sounds like they all
became demented
and ran away.
I don't know.
Maybe it's a side effect.
But I'd like to have
more information.
I'd like to have...
You know,
the signal that I got
last week
with Omnipoint
out on the island
disappeared.
You know,
it was there
and now it's gone.
I was getting a signal
in a really weird place.
So there's all kinds
of weirdness going on.
All these things
do not bode well
for Omnipoint.
Actually,
I'd like to point out
that I think
the advertising agency
that Omnipoint
has chosen,
at least in Philadelphia,
appears to be
quite demented.
What do you mean by this?
Well,
there's a couple
of posters here
that they've been
putting up.
They're heavily
marketing the
prepay phone services
through Omnipoint
down here in Philadelphia
for what they refer to
as the credit-challenged
demographic group.
Credit-challenged.
Credit-challenged.
And they charge
much more
for these people,
don't they?
Oh, yeah.
Well,
it's not outrageous,
but it's about
ten times more
than I'm paying
for my phone.
It's pretty outrageous,
I think.
I mean,
if you don't have
a credit rating,
odds are you can't
afford a credit card,
so where does it
stand to reason
you can afford
to pay ten times
the amount
that people like you
are able to pay?
It's pretty ironic.
If you're in the position
where you have
poor credit,
you probably can't
afford to spend
ten times more
than the average bear.
Sprint PCS does
the exact same thing
as far as offering
the prepay plan.
Sure.
Now,
what's this about
advertising?
Well,
these posters,
they seem to be
in a different language
aimed at this
demographic group
described as
being credit-challenged.
One of them
has a parrot
talking,
a parrot dressed
in,
looks like gang clothing.
He's got a
gang parrot.
That's right.
A gang parrot.
He's got a baseball cap
on backwards,
baggy pants.
He's got great
big sneakers on
and he's saying,
what's he saying?
In one poster,
he's saying,
contracts are whack.
Okay.
And another poster
he's saying,
get on point
with the prepay joint.
I called on the
point about this.
You can't say that
on MTV.
Well,
I called on the
point about this
and I asked
what the term
get on point
actually means
and what exactly
a prepay joint means.
And I asked if there
was a marijuana
connection and
they denied that
completely and they
said if you ask,
they just like,
were like denying
everything about this
advertising strategy
and they gave me
the name of the
woman in charge
of this promotion
here in Philadelphia.
And she's been
refusing my calls.
I've been trying to
get these
definitions pinned down.
What all this means?
Hmm.
Maybe we should do
an expose on this
and do some investigation.
I got one of the
posters for you.
I'll have to give it to you.
The one that says
contracts are whack
is referring to
you shouldn't have
to sign a contract
to get a portable phone,
which you don't have
to with Sprint PCS
anyway, but you do
with many cellular
carriers.
I haven't been able
to get that poster yet
because it's actually
even more amusing.
But anyway,
it's like these posters
are in a foreign language.
Well, the interesting
thing is with Sprint PCS,
they segregate all
the people who
are prepay.
at least according
to the sales rep
that seems to have
some knowledge of this,
the last four digits
have to be between
$19.99 and $29.99.
Wow, so you can tell
from somebody's phone
number whether
their credit is challenged.
You can tell from
someone's phone number
what their credit status
is with Sprint PCS.
That's not good.
That's according to
the salesperson.
I mean, you can call
some people and,
you know, ask them,
I guess.
In the future,
we could have entire
exchanges or area codes
depending on your
socioeconomic status.
Uh-huh.
That's not a bad idea.
I'm sure the administration
would be happy
to take that up.
Sure.
Yeah.
I had an interesting
experience, though,
trying to figure out
the problem with my phone.
As you know,
I've been getting
very, very low battery life
on the Samsung phone
that I have.
And I was going crazy
trying to figure out
why this was.
I told you not
to buy that phone.
Well, yeah, you did.
You did.
Everybody did, in fact.
But you know how I am.
I just, you know,
I just have to not
listen to anybody.
But I bought it
and I bought the,
you know,
the warranty thing
with it,
which I felt I was
suckered into.
But, you know,
I'm glad I did now
because I'm using that
for all it's worth.
I brought the phone
back to Radio Shack
and I said,
look, I've got this phone
here.
I looked at the web page
for Samsung.
It says this battery
is supposed to give me
24 hours of standby time,
which is the time
that you use
when you're not
making any phone calls.
I leave this thing on
in my house
and it's run out
of batteries in six hours
without me getting
a single phone call.
So I said,
look, let's do
some tests here.
I'm going to leave
the battery
plugged into one
of your phones
and we'll see
how long it lasts
in Radio Shack.
And to my surprise,
the guy actually
agreed to do this.
So, yeah,
we left the battery there.
I came back the next day.
It was still charged.
So I said,
okay, that proves
there's nothing wrong
with my battery.
There's nothing wrong
with my battery charger.
There's something wrong
with my phone.
Give me a new phone.
So he gave me a new phone.
There you go.
He gave me a new phone.
And then I took it home
and I got to reprogram it.
You have to call Sprint up
to do this.
And this is something
I'd like people to participate
in this little
experiment that we're
running here.
When you program
a Sprint phone,
they will ask you
for the phone number
that is on it right now,
which is a 10-digit number,
the first seven of which
are zeros,
the last four of which
are a certain number.
When you do that,
they give you
a six-digit code
to unlock the phone.
And then you change
the phone number
of the phone
to what your number
really is.
And then the six-digit code
no longer works.
Now, if we can get
a bunch of those
six-digit codes,
line them up with
the four-digit number
that you are given,
I think we might be able
to figure out the algorithm
and see what the code is
now when you have
a real phone number.
Does that make sense to you?
It does.
Yeah.
So it's a pretty simple system.
The trick is getting
enough people
to participate in that
so we have enough data
to crack it.
Well, I've got mine
and I think I've got
one other coming.
So if we just get
one or two,
I mean, there's nothing
we can do with the information.
I don't think there's anything
we can do with the information
to defraud people
or anything like that.
So you don't really
have to worry about that.
I think it only works
for the Samsung,
but it might work
for the Qualcomm as well.
The procedure for programming
my, I have the Sony
Qualcomm phone,
what Qualcomm calls
the QCP-1900,
the one that has
the earpiece
that sort of flip,
it doesn't flip up,
it sort of slides up.
And I didn't have
to program it that way.
I just had to give them
the serial number
and then enter in
the phone number
and then within half an hour
it was activated.
I can leave my handset on
for two whole days
and it stays on
for two days
on one charge.
Well, let me finish
my story of what happened
because it gets better.
I brought the phone home
and I said,
I've got a brand new phone now
and I left the thing on
and in five hours
it was dead.
Oh, man.
It was horrible.
It was really horrible.
I was tearing my hair.
I was wondering
what I was going to do next,
you know.
I have to go back
to that place now
and tell the guy,
look, you know,
this phone doesn't work either.
Give me another new phone.
But I figured if I did that
at least I'll get another code
and I can figure out,
you know,
the algorithm
so there's some consolation.
But, you know,
I was running the experiment.
I took the antenna off
to make sure
that it wasn't getting a signal,
you know,
to see if it maybe
had something to do with that.
And basically,
it kept getting a signal anyway
because, I don't know,
it was just getting a signal
without an antenna.
Then the next day
I couldn't find the antenna.
It's just like somehow,
you ever lose something
when you're sitting down?
You know,
you're sitting at a desk
and you lose something
and you know it can't have gone far?
Well, this went very far
because I haven't found it
to this day.
Maybe you sat on it.
I don't know.
Well, it should exist
in some form.
So anyway,
what I wound up doing
was going to another Radio Shack
and basically getting an antenna
with my little warranty thing
that I was suckered into getting,
which has really paid off.
And then I went into the city
with the same phone
and left it on.
And you know what?
It lasted much, much longer.
So it's got something to do
with the signal strength.
If you have a really low signal
that keeps coming and going,
it'll wear out your batteries
like crazy.
At least on that phone.
Mm-hmm.
So...
Well, the phone can have
its output power adjusted,
which is going to be...
This is going to...
The more output power
it has to transmit
to talk to your nearest cell site,
the more quickly
it's going to drain your battery.
So I guess...
I guess since it senses
that your cell site,
if there's not one near
where you live,
but it's still...
It can still pick it up,
it has to really strain
to keep pulling that
and say,
here I am over here.
Right.
That could explain
why it's dying so quick.
Whereas in a city
where you're really close
to a cell site's everywhere,
it doesn't have to strain itself.
The funny thing is
the cell site
that it's straining
to communicate with,
it can never make
a phone call on.
It just never works.
So it's really draining.
the battery
and not doing much good
for anything else.
I would keep on them.
I mean,
I have great reception.
I'm in my home right now
and I think I'm probably
only a few blocks
from a spring PCS cell site.
You should get on their case there
and explain to them that...
Well, you know,
I just am happy
knowing that I know
what it is,
what caused it.
It took weeks
to figure this out
and everybody was giving
me different answers.
But apparently,
in fact,
what one of the
radio check people said
turned out to be true,
that it does use more power
when it's a weak signal.
And that seemed
pretty ridiculous
at the time,
but it is true.
Well,
if they're advertising
service coverage
in your neck of the woods
up there on the island...
Well, no,
they're not actually.
In fact,
if you look at the map,
where I live
is like a little tiny section
where there's no coverage
and that's how it works.
It's like they went
around where you live.
Yeah,
it seems that they did that.
It seems that they did that.
But we'll figure that out soon.
We're going to take
some phone calls,
212-279-3400.
And if you're outside
the country,
of course,
country code 1.
We should be getting
an update pretty soon
from our web people
as to what kind of
listenership we have
out there on the Internet.
And, of course,
we know we have
all our faithful listeners
here in New York City.
So,
212-279-3400.
Interesting website.
Bernie,
you certainly would find
this kind of neat.
You know,
actually,
it's that kind of neat.
It's kind of neat
in the sense that
it's like interesting
and scary.
The St. Paul Police Department
has stuck pictures
of everybody
who has been accused
of solicitation
or engaging
in prostitution
right there on the web.
Now,
the site is
alpha.stpaul.gov
slash police.
And,
basically,
you have their pictures,
you have their name,
where they live,
at least they don't have
the street address,
but they do have
the town,
their age,
their height,
their weight,
and where they were arrested
and what kind of car
they were driving
if they were the people
picking up the,
you know,
they have both.
They have both the,
you know,
the buyers and the sellers.
And,
last week,
last week,
they,
last week,
they have,
basically,
basically,
all the people
were convicted.
And,
this week,
none of the people
were convicted,
not yet,
anyway.
These are people
who have just been,
just been charged only.
Yeah,
well,
the thing is,
it says above their pictures,
all persons are considered
innocent until proven guilty
in a court of law.
We all know how that works.
Yeah,
now,
if they're innocent,
why in hell are they
putting their pictures
up on the web?
I mean,
this is insane
that they would actually,
you know,
go to this extreme measure.
What is the point
of doing this?
It seems like
they're just trying
to ruin people's lives
by doing this.
I mean,
you need to know
their license plate number?
You know their license plate
number is on it.
I mean,
I could see some telemarketers
really benefiting from this
and saying,
you know,
these people would be
interested in our product
and I think I'll mass mail them.
But other than that,
I can't really think of,
you know,
we have this age
where we have to,
like,
put all the sex offenders online,
we have to know exactly
where they are at all times.
Now,
people who engage
in prostitution,
we have to know
who they are,
where they live.
And what are we moving towards?
You know,
everyone has to be accountable.
Well,
the St. Paul Police Department
must be pretty efficient
to be able to have time
to spend on this sort of project.
There must not be
any burglaries
or muggings
or rapes
or anything like that
going on
because they have time
to fool around
with this stuff.
Yeah,
I gotta say,
looking at some
of these people,
though,
people in the Midwest
seem to age a lot better
than people around here.
I mean,
look at people
in their 50s,
and they look pretty good,
you know,
as far as,
you know,
their mug shots
and all that.
They look,
you know,
pretty,
I don't know.
Are you talking about
the buyers
or the sellers?
I would guess
this is a buyer
of what I'm looking
at right now.
Yeah.
But,
you know,
actually,
you know,
that seller,
I could swear,
I could swear
that's a man.
If you look,
no,
if you look at the picture,
all right,
if you go to that website
and you look at the picture,
you'll see the one I mean,
and it's the first one,
actually,
and I don't know,
that's just what I think.
What's that URL,
Emanuel?
Give me the other one back.
It's
alpha.st.paul.gov
slash police,
and then you have to
move around
and find the various offenders
and their pictures
and things like that.
Am I right?
It's got that strong chin
thing going there.
Hmm.
Yeah.
All right.
That was awful.
Now,
you have something for us
that's kind of scary as well.
Oh, yeah,
on the topic of law enforcement,
the federal government
has,
at the behest
of the software publishing industry,
has,
this bill has now passed
or just failed
through the Senate
and the House
with almost no opposition at all.
All the bad bills
seem to sail through
with no opposition at all.
Why is that?
It's a good question.
Well, okay,
so what's in this bill?
Well, it's on,
as far as I know,
it's still on Clinton's desk,
but there's no indication
that he has any,
any,
there's no opposition
to him signing this.
And what,
what this bill
provides for
is,
it's a new
federal
copyright
legislation,
which makes it now
for the first time
a,
a criminal offense,
in fact,
a felony,
a federal felony
to possess,
not necessarily have
installed on your computer,
but to possess
unlicensed software,
or that is,
software that you don't
hold the license for,
that has a retail value
of exceeding
$2,500,
$2,500.
And the,
the penalties,
if I read the United States
Sentencing Guidelines
correctly,
for possessing
that,
that small amount,
just $2,500,
if you had more than that,
the penalties would be
more severe.
But if,
if I had
$25,001
worth of,
worth of,
uh,
copied software,
that is software
which was not
registered to me,
but registered to someone else
and I didn't have
the license for it,
uh,
I could be found
guilty of a federal felony
and imprisoned
for two years
and fined
$250,000.
And we know
if you had been
caught with that,
that's exactly
what would have
happened to you
if the Secret
Show was
anything to say
about it.
Yeah,
I think this is a
kind of a disturbing
trend where,
where,
uh,
you know,
there's just more
and more laws
passed and
if,
uh,
if the powers that be
are looking to,
to get you for something
and they,
and they,
whatever.
It's another
convenient statute.
It sounds like
this is an attempt
to overturn
what people got
from,
from David LaMaccia,
uh,
in,
in,
um,
Boston a couple
of years ago
where he was accused
of,
of pirating software
but he wasn't
selling it
and he was,
he was let off
because,
uh,
he,
he basically
was not doing
what they were
accusing him of doing.
It sounds like
they're trying
to rewrite the law
so that anyone
who has software
whether they're
selling it or not
and can't prove
that they bought it
is guilty of
trafficking stolen
software.
Is that,
is that correct?
That's right
and also,
I suppose this
could,
uh,
equally apply
to,
uh,
internet service
providers
or bulletin board
system operators
who,
who may,
unbeknownst to them,
uh,
and there's no
exceptions for this
in the,
uh,
in their lives
legislation
unbeknownst to them
have,
uh,
$2,500 or more
worth of software
that's not licensed
to them
sitting on one
of their,
their servers.
So,
it's a dangerous
thing.
I mean,
you could,
you could easily
squeeze,
uh,
$2,500 worth
of,
uh,
worth of copied
software on a,
on a recordable
CD disc
or a,
or a backup
tape.
I mean,
I've many times
hesitated to buy
an expensive piece
of software
and,
uh,
asked to borrow
it from a friend
to try it out
to find out
whether it met
my needs
or not.
And,
uh,
you know,
if you do that,
you're,
you're potentially
liable to go to
prison.
So,
um,
it looks like
Clinton's going to
sign this thing
and if you've got
any,
uh,
software that's not
licensed to you,
um,
better clean house.
Wow.
That is,
uh,
pretty scary.
And,
um,
you say it's sitting
on Clinton's desk
right now.
Well,
it may not
physically be
sitting on his
desk,
but it's,
it's on the
agenda to be
signed.
Maybe somebody
could,
uh,
you know,
sort of,
uh,
get it off
his desk
somehow.
I mean,
we've got the
bumper sticker
on the floor
in his office,
so,
uh,
we can do
that.
Maybe we can
get that piece
of paper
off his desk.
I don't know.
Just a suggestion.
But,
uh,
this has got to
stop someplace.
I mean,
this is really,
you know,
these bills,
where are they
going to end?
Everything's
becoming a crime.
I think that's
the idea.
That's the
grand scheme.
Well,
it's,
it's,
it's,
uh,
it's pretty sad.
All right.
Uh,
why don't we
take some calls?
Yes,
I think we're
going to do
that.
Uh,
212-279-3400.
Um,
let's go to the
first one.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hi,
Emmanuel.
I haven't heard
from you in a while.
What's going on
with you?
Oh,
nothing really.
Just,
um,
I was doing,
I was listening
about the,
uh,
MetroCard thing,
and I was mentioned,
I was just
wanting to mention
that I had,
uh,
one last fare
on my MetroCard
and I transferred
to the bus
for free.
In other words,
you must be
something special.
No,
no,
no,
actually,
I,
I used my
MetroCard
and it had
75 cents left,
or,
you know,
one fare left
from the bus,
and then I went
into the subway
and it worked.
Uh-huh.
And also,
I wanted,
as I wanted to mention,
And it was zeroed out?
It was totally
zeroed out?
At the subway,
yes.
Okay.
And I wanted to mention
that Frontier
does not work
from payphones
when you dial
1-0-2-1-1
and then zero
for the Frontier
operator,
or if you dial
1-0-2-1-1
and then zero
in area code
and number,
it's going to say
something to the effect
of,
we're sorry,
um,
there's a translation
problem with your call.
But you can have
the Bell Atlantic
operator dial zero
and have the Bell Atlantic
operator,
you know,
forward you to Frontier.
I don't know why
it works.
It works on regular,
you know,
home phones,
office phones,
things like that,
but,
you know,
non-coin phones
it works on,
but for some reason
they sort of
cut off their
access from payphones.
I don't know why
it's this translation
problem thing.
Okay.
But anyway,
I wanted to play
a tape of a song
that I wrote
in 1990,
a song that I
sung in 1980.
Listen,
listen,
you've done this
several times already.
This is not that.
This is not that.
There's something
different.
You have a second
release.
Well,
no.
From the archives.
Unreleased
Rebel tapes.
Yeah,
it's something that
tapes thought to
have been destroyed,
but miraculously
they were uncovered
from the trash.
I want people
in other countries
and other parts
of the country
to hear.
There's no reason
why people
in other countries
shouldn't know
what we already know,
so go ahead
and play it.
Okay.
Let's do this.
Here.
Ready?
Here we go.
Here we go.
When you make
a long distance
call on the
telephone,
it will show up
on the itemized
page of your
phone bill.
But when you make
a local call,
too,
it will just say
the number of
calls that you've
made on your
phone bill.
On your phone bill.
Your phone bill.
Okay.
All I could make
out was phone bill.
Well, yeah.
Boy.
Those 9X jingles,
I miss them.
I'm just in shock.
All right.
Well, okay,
now people in other
countries know
what's going on
over here.
Give us a call.
212-279-3400.
Yes, Bernie.
I think Rebel's
been using an
Omnipoint phone
too long.
No, but that was
from the 80s.
Oh.
That was a rebel
of the past.
He was already
demented then.
Oh, I don't know.
Yes, possibly.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello, I'm a caller
from Singapore.
You're really
from Singapore?
Yeah, you can
trace his call.
Oh, don't worry.
We got people
working on it.
But what time
is it there now?
It's like 9.40
in the morning.
I just came down
from my house
and made a call.
I can't call
overseas from my phone.
Wow.
That's amazing.
So tell us about
Singapore.
Is it really,
I mean, can you
get in trouble
for all those things?
Yeah, but nobody
actually arrests you
and stuff.
Well, although
the internet is
regulated and stuff,
that doesn't really
happen.
You can still
access a lot,
a lot, a lot.
Because the proxy
server isn't really
that good.
They don't really
maintain it.
We have verified
this call is from
Singapore, by the way.
Thank you very much.
Okay.
Now, this must be
costing you a pretty
penny, so I won't
keep you on very long,
but are you able
to get the show
okay over there?
Yeah, it's very,
very good.
In fact, I'm not
having much back.
Oh, yeah, one problem.
Yes.
When I subscribe
and buy merchandise
from your place,
do I have to pay
a shipping and
handling charge?
No, everything
that's on there
is inclusive of
everything, no matter
where you are.
Oh, okay.
Thank you.
That strange country
you are in right now.
Yeah, I wish I could
move to New York.
Well, come visit
sometime.
I'd like to see
Singapore, but I'm
afraid, you know.
I'll do something.
Is it, okay, wait,
just ask me one
question.
Is it true that if
you urinate in an
elevator, the doors
lock and they call
the police?
Um, yeah.
That happens?
In certain elevators,
that really does
happen.
My goodness.
But, um, but in
my elevator, that
doesn't work.
Your elevator's cool.
All right.
That's, that's, that's
nice.
You've tested your
lock.
Well, yeah, have you
tested?
How do you know?
No, um, sometimes I
think you're, you're,
you're in my elevator.
Uh-huh.
And, um, I don't see
any police coming over.
I see.
All right.
Well, there are some
bastions of civilization
left.
That's nice to know.
Um, so, okay, well,
that, that, that's
great.
Um, uh, I, I, I don't
want to run up your
phone bill, but it's
really good to hear
from somebody that
far away.
Oh, that's great.
Anything you want to
say to the, to the
hackers of America?
Uh, hack Singapore.
Okay.
Well, it's been, it's
been done, but I'm
sure it will be done
again.
Okay.
All right.
So, um, bye.
Okay.
Hang up.
We'll hear all the
weird noises that your
phone makes.
Oh, there weren't too
many weird noises.
That's something, you
know, we're not ever
going to get as far
away as that, I don't
think.
I mean, that's, that's
it.
I mean, this is, the
planet is only so big.
We've been wanting to
get, you know, overseas
and far away.
Can you get much
further than Singapore?
I don't think you can.
If you're getting
further away, then it's
closer again.
Yeah, exactly.
That's how it works
with this spear type of
thing going on.
Uh, but yeah, that,
that, uh, that did
seem to be a call from
Singapore.
So that's, that's
pretty amazing.
Okay.
212-279-3400.
Good evening.
You're on Off the
Hook.
Hey.
Hi, where are you
calling from?
Uh, New Jersey.
New Jersey.
Okay.
From Singapore to
New Jersey.
Yeah, Singapore to
New Jersey.
Oh, I'm on already.
Yes, you are.
Oh, okay.
One of the things I
wanted to know was the
URL for the, uh,
random Yahoo.
I'm sorry to, you
know, bust the show
up with that question,
but I need to know.
All right, you want us
to repeat information?
Yes, please.
While I'm looking for
that, do you have
anything else to say?
Because I got a...
I've been listening for
as many years as I've
been living in the area.
Uh-huh.
People, I remember
one night you played,
uh, busy signals from
all the old, uh, New
York telephones.
Ah, yes.
That's what got me
hooked.
Oh, that's been known
to be something for the
sweet period that, uh,
that definitely brings in
the audience.
Yeah, the 18 to 34
especially.
I don't know.
Okay, random.yahoo.com
slash bin slash R-Y-L.
Slash bin slash Y-R-L.
And that's...
No, R-Y-L.
R-Y-L.
Yes.
And that was
random.yahoo.com.
Yeah, and you gotta put
the H-T-T-P
Yeah.
one slash slash in front
of that, but...
Hey, thanks a lot.
I really...
Great show.
I love you guys.
No problem.
Take care.
New Jersey.
How about that?
Well, from one far
point to another.
212-279-3400.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yes.
Good evening, Emmanuel.
How you doing?
Philip W. here.
Cheering hello
from your buddy
at the City University
of New York.
Well, hi.
Yeah.
You're calling from
the City University
of New York right now?
No, I'm not.
I'm calling from home.
Okay.
Yeah, it's good
to hear your voice.
I wanted to let you know
as per your earlier
conversation that a number
of City University
colleges still do use
Netscape 1.0.
In fact, the particular
one that I work for
uses Mozilla
0.99 Beta 1.0
to all versions of
3 and all versions
of 4.
Wow.
That must be a real
special place to hang out.
Oh, it's wonderful.
The reason is that
the number of the
City Universities,
as you know,
have no budget,
and so they have
a lot of old machines.
Uh-huh.
And a lot of these
old browsers are the
only things that we
can get running on them.
Interesting.
I'm getting some reports
now from the people
running Real Audio.
They say that the
number of Net listeners
went from 108 down to 3
when Rebel Song came on.
And it's back up to 113 now.
Yeah.
Well, how could I
possibly follow Rebel?
You know,
how can anyone
follow Rebel?
Somebody has to
with a big net.
Thankfully,
the call from Singapore.
With a big net
and a, you know,
a key to some place.
Yes.
Uh, the call from
Singapore is really weird.
Yeah.
Can't believe that.
Well, I thought you
might be interested
to know this.
Yeah.
Well, the City University
of New York has always
been, you know,
on the cutting edge
of one thing or another.
Yeah.
All right.
Thanks for calling.
Yeah, you're welcome.
Good night.
Take care.
All right.
Bye-bye.
Uh, we can fit in
some more calls.
212-279-3400.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hey, uh, this is, uh,
Zaf calling from Dallas,
Texas.
How you doing?
How you doing?
Good.
Uh, listening to you
on the internet,
of course.
Uh, it's coming
through terrific.
Great.
And I'm actually
calling about the topic,
that, uh, really bad
piracy bill.
Okay.
Um.
Do you know if that was
passed?
Do you know if it's
still on his desk
or anything like that?
I hope not.
Uh-huh.
It scares the hell
out of me.
I mean, I obviously,
I'm, you know, I don't
copy software anymore.
I buy it.
But when I was a kid,
I copied it like mad.
Right.
And I just mentioned,
what are they going
to do to these kids
who collect and trade
games back and forth
that seems ludicrous
to, you know, to have
such severe punishment?
Yeah, I mean,
well, does the federal
government get commission
for everybody they put
in prison?
It seems to be a real
priority for as many
people in prison as
possible in the next
couple of years.
Absolutely.
In a way, in a way,
the legislators are
getting commission
because it's their
campaign that these,
uh, uh, software
publishing association
has donated huge sums
of money to.
So, yes, there's a
cause and effect.
It's nuts.
But, uh, one of the
really whack things
about this bill is that
it doesn't just apply
to software.
It also applies to
music.
So, I'm, I'm sure
you guys are familiar
with MP3 technology.
Right.
With, uh, you know,
people trading songs
and so forth.
You know, for example,
I'm a big Smashing
Pumpkins fan.
And I own every
Smashing Pumpkins
CD there is.
But I converted them
all to MP3s and
burned it to a CD.
So, I'd have one CD
that I can listen to,
randomize the whole
thing while I work,
right?
Just possession of
that.
I mean, that's
technically, you know,
if you had a couple
MP3 CDs you'd made,
you could get over
that limit pretty easily.
Sure.
I mean, it's
selective prosecution.
If they want to get
you for something,
they can get you
for that.
Yeah.
I mean, that's what
all these bills are
opening the doors for.
It's nuts.
We can only hope
that it doesn't pass.
Uh-huh.
Well, I mean,
it seems like it, uh,
it will if it sailed
through as easily
as Bernie said it did.
And, uh, I don't think
Clinton has any vested
interest in stopping that.
Maybe a new version
of, uh, of Winamp
that has integrated
PGP or something.
Uh-huh.
You know, decode while you
We are going to need
encryption for just
about everything
in order to, uh,
to keep our lives
fairly private
and, and, you know,
immune from prosecution.
Yeah.
Which seems to be
the priority of the day
is to prosecute us
for various things.
It's a messed up world.
Yeah.
Anything, uh,
anything you want to
tell us about the
phone systems in Dallas
or, uh,
technology there?
Uh, well, let's see.
There's not a whole lot
to say about the
phone systems here.
Um, I've got ISDN.
That seems to be
working okay as far
as the real audio
is concerned.
Uh-huh.
Um, there's, I, I, uh,
don't know a whole lot
about the hacking scene
here.
I'm, I'm kind of older
and I don't, uh, don't
do a lot of, uh, that
type of thing anymore,
but I do follow it
with an interest.
Uh-huh.
I did go to a 2600
meeting once out here
and it was okay.
Yeah.
It was kind of cool.
Well, it's good to know.
Anyway, show's coming
through great.
All right.
Thanks for calling.
All right.
See you guys later.
Thank you.
I wonder if we'll have
a 2600 meeting
in Singapore someday.
Wouldn't that be cool?
We could, uh, we could
do that.
All right.
Uh, let's take another
phone call.
We have time for about
one more.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Well, you had a bad
hum anyway, so I'm glad
you hung up.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hey.
How you doing?
Uh, the sound quality
is really great.
Where are you going from?
I'm calling from
Inglewood, New Jersey,
but, uh.
Oh, okay.
Don't have access to a radio,
so I'm listening over the net.
Okay.
That's, that's fine.
Fair enough.
I just wanted to find out
whether, um, you're finding
with the, uh, Sprint PCS
phones, whether there's
a lot of, um, instances
where you're getting
strange echoing artifacts.
Oh, yes.
Lots of times.
Now, I mean, that almost
seems like, uh, you know,
makes it not worth it.
Well, it depends.
Uh, if you're moving
at high speeds, uh, you're
getting better sound than
if you were using, say,
your home phone moving
at high speeds.
Uh-huh.
Um, um, other than that,
you know, you have to
understand it's a cordless
technology, so you're going
to get some, some weirdness.
Like, Bernie, for instance,
is in his house right now
using one of these phones,
and, you know, he sounds
just like he's using
a regular phone.
Now, I noticed, when I
first got my, uh, Omnipoint
phone, it was, uh, I got
it the first month that
service was available
here in Philadelphia,
and the echo was, was,
was very pronounced,
and it was present in,
more often than not,
but just the past couple
of months, I have, it's
gone away almost
completely.
I, I just, I just don't,
in fact, I even forgot
the problem existed until
this guy just brought it
up.
I haven't heard the echo
for a couple of months.
Uh-huh.
Hmm, so maybe it's, um,
it's worse in certain
areas.
I mean, I, I hear it's,
it's not so bad in Long
Island, but it's a little
worse in the city, or.
Oh, it's bad in Long
Island.
Oh, yeah?
It's bad.
If you, if you're driving,
you know, on, on certain
roads, you know, the long
winding roads, uh, with the
hills and all that kind of
thing, you're gonna get all
kinds of, uh, of weird
Darth Vader effects.
So, uh, that's something
to be, to be concerned
with.
But, you know, I'm just so
amazed that I'm able to,
you know, drive and talk
at the same time.
Yeah.
And not kill myself, but,
uh, it's, it's not, you
gotta be careful, though.
You gotta really be
careful, and a lot of
people are doing this.
So, uh, you know, if
you're, if you're using
one of these portable
phones, watch what you're
doing.
Yep.
Well, great.
Love the show.
Wish you'd be a little
more discriminating with the
call sometimes.
Wish you'd just go for the
hang-up button quicker,
but, can I say.
Yeah, well, sometimes the
entertainment value outweighs
the, uh, sense of, uh,
survival.
Yeah, about one time out
of 50, but, uh,
thanks.
Okay.
Thanks a lot.
Thanks for calling.
Bye.
Squeezing one more over
there.
Good evening, you're on
the air.
Okay, you see, you gotta
talk a lot faster than
that when we're running
out of time.
Good evening, you're on
the air.
Hi.
How you doing?
Good.
Where you calling from?
Connecticut.
Connecticut?
Yeah.
Um, I haven't, I have
some stuff to say.
Well, you better say it
fast.
Okay, uh, I have an
update on that, uh,
Yahoo thing.
Uh-huh.
Doesn't work anymore.
Yeah, we, we already
mentioned that.
It does not work
anymore, and we gave
out a different one for
random URLs.
Okay, and, uh, my
dad's friend went to
Aruba, and he got me
some GSM cards.
Uh-huh.
They're real weird.
They only got that, uh,
SIM on one side of
them.
Uh-huh.
And, uh, you can go
down to the supermarket
and buy them, and
there's different ones
with, like, call
forwarding and three-way,
and you just slide them
into the bottom of the
phone.
Really?
Yeah.
Weird.
Uh, just regular, like,
smart card-looking
things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have a couple.
They, they actually
have those.
Omnipoint actually has
those for some of their
phones.
I've, I've seen people
using those.
Yeah, but it's crazy
because you just walk
down to, like, their
stop-in shop and pick
them up.
Yeah, well, I mean,
that's the point of
GSM, is that the phone
actually is, is the, uh,
is the, you know, the
smart card.
And, uh...
And, uh...
Basically interchange them.
Yeah.
And, uh, I have an
exploit for the Southern
New England telephone
payphones.
Uh-huh.
It doesn't work on
all of them, but, uh,
if you hit zero...
Right.
...and hold down
bottom, the bottom
three buttons...
Yeah.
...and jiggle them a
whole lot...
Yeah.
...it'll beep, right?
And you'll get, like,
nothing for maybe
30 to 40 seconds.
Uh-huh.
And then, uh, it'll
drop you off to a
dial tone and you can
make all the calls you
want within, uh, the
local area.
That sounds interesting.
Yeah.
I'd definitely like to
check up on that
some more.
Unfortunately, we're
out of time.
Okay.
But, uh, keep
experimenting and let us
know what you find,
all right?
Okay, yeah.
All right, take care.
Bye.
And, uh, the GSM
experimentation continues.
A couple of, uh, a
couple of things I
want to point out
before we leave.
Uh, someone actually
went into trouble
figuring this out.
Nine out of 14
prostitute solicitors
in St. Paul drive
pickup trucks.
Interesting little
statistic there, we
just found out.
Uh, I want to thank
the, um, the, uh,
Real Audio
coordinators for
tonight, uh, Porkchop,
Curator, Ugly Pig,
as well as the person
who wrote the, uh,
stat script, David
Elkins, uh, just to
give you an idea of
all the people involved
that's been putting
on this show.
So, coders and
servers, uh, Phil,
Master Yoto, Mim,
Shiftlock, AcidHack,
Chris, Angerim, and,
uh, Nathan Gelbart
and Electro, and I
apologize if I
mispronounce anybody's
name, but thanks
everybody for helping
us get on the net as
well as over the air.
Bernie S, I want to
thank you for being
with us tonight.
It's always a pleasure.
I'm sure we'll be
talking to you again
before the year is
out, which is next
week.
And, uh, until then,
just, um, you know,
keep, uh, keep letting
us know what's going on.
Will do.
Merry Christmas.
You too.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
This is Emanuel
Goldstein for
Fiber Optic, who is
on assignment, as we
said.
Have a good night.
What will you
remember?
The telephone keeps
ringing, so I ripped it
off the wall.
I cut myself while
shaving.
Now I can't make a
cost.
It could be yet much
worse.
Oh!
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