Off The Hook - 1998-01-06

[00:01.750 --> 00:04.730]  [SPEAKER_14]: Are we trying to fix our equipment?
[00:05.970 --> 00:07.170]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, let's try that again.
[00:07.550 --> 00:11.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's 8 o'clock time once again for an exciting edition of Off the Hook.
[00:18.190 --> 00:22.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[00:23.730 --> 00:28.530]  [SPEAKER_09]: I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a cost.
[00:34.180 --> 00:36.840]  [SPEAKER_10]: Bum-diddly-bum for the best, expect the worst.
[00:37.320 --> 00:39.360]  [SPEAKER_10]: I hope that's understood.
[00:39.760 --> 00:40.380]  [SPEAKER_10]: Bum-diddly-bum!
[01:51.970 --> 01:53.950]  [SPEAKER_12]: Bum-diddly-bum for the best, expect the worst.
[01:53.950 --> 01:55.890]  [SPEAKER_12]: Bum-diddly-bum for the best, expect the worst.
[01:55.890 --> 02:07.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: And I'm tempted by the dark side of a big flash motor car, moving in my direction.
[02:08.230 --> 02:11.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: And there's a million ways to have it made.
[02:43.740 --> 02:45.660]  [SPEAKER_14]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[02:45.840 --> 02:47.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: The program is Off the Hook.
[02:47.300 --> 02:56.760]  [SPEAKER_14]: Emmanuel Goldstein with you on this Tuesday night, where we just found out, thanks to a taped program, that we're not on the air next week, because of the fundraiser.
[02:57.400 --> 03:06.280]  [SPEAKER_14]: We'll keep listening to other tapes to find out if we're going to be on two weeks after that, or three weeks after that, because we have fundraisers coming up, and we have not heard a word as to what the schedule is.
[03:06.440 --> 03:10.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, there's nothing we can tell you, our listeners, until we know.
[03:11.480 --> 03:21.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: Maybe, maybe somebody will run in here before the end of the hour and tell us when we are on during the marathon, so we can tell all of our listeners, outside of our listening area, what to expect.
[03:21.260 --> 03:26.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: Because we know there are many of you out there in Radio Land, which is no longer Radio Land.
[03:26.680 --> 03:28.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now it's Computer Land.
[03:29.140 --> 03:30.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yes, all over the planet.
[03:31.500 --> 03:33.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: Off the Hook on WBAI, New York.
[03:34.240 --> 03:36.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: We'll be taking phone calls a little bit later.
[03:38.200 --> 03:44.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: But first, some updates, some reader mail, and various other things like that.
[03:48.760 --> 03:51.780]  [SPEAKER_14]: Here's a letter from somebody on AOL.
[03:52.000 --> 03:52.820]  [SPEAKER_14]: You see, we don't discriminate.
[03:53.520 --> 03:54.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: Everybody's welcome here.
[03:55.220 --> 03:56.280]  [SPEAKER_14]: America Online.
[03:56.460 --> 03:58.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: They can send us mail directly.
[03:58.280 --> 04:00.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: And you can send us mail directly, too, if you're on the Internet.
[04:01.100 --> 04:03.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: O-T-H at 2600.com is the address.
[04:04.680 --> 04:17.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: Regarding the new copyright bill applying to music, If you recall, we were talking about this over the past couple of weeks, the bill that makes it illegal to have almost anything, really.
[04:17.640 --> 04:19.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: Software, copywritten material.
[04:20.100 --> 04:21.320]  [SPEAKER_14]: It can be a felony.
[04:22.040 --> 04:24.400]  [SPEAKER_14]: Total felony, just to possess things.
[04:24.660 --> 04:25.660]  [SPEAKER_14]: You don't have to sell it.
[04:25.820 --> 04:26.760]  [SPEAKER_14]: You just have to have it.
[04:27.780 --> 04:38.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: There was a caller on the 1223 show talking about how the copyright bill applies to music and how he won't be able to make custom CDs anymore.
[04:39.460 --> 04:52.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: This may not necessarily be true because there is a Home Recording Act of 1991, Section 1008, which this person believes is the right number.
[04:52.660 --> 04:53.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: Hopefully that is right.
[04:54.700 --> 05:06.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: And that says it's okay to make however many copies of music for anybody, for whatever purpose, as long as it's made from the original CD, slash tape, slash Laserdisc, etc., and is not sold to anyone.
[05:06.760 --> 05:16.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm not sure how this MP3 technology works, but if there is no middle medium between the original CD and the custom CD, there shouldn't be any problem making copies.
[05:16.640 --> 05:21.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, it's unbelievable how bent out of shape the recording industry is getting over this.
[05:21.840 --> 05:36.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, you have recordings and people are listening to them, and that's like the worst thing that the recording industry can ever have happen to it, is have people actually like what it is you do, because then you don't realize a profit on every time somebody listens.
[05:36.660 --> 05:39.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: If they could charge you every time you turned on your CD player, believe me, they would.
[05:40.160 --> 05:45.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: They'd figure out a way for you to actually, I don't know, pay through the nose.
[05:45.980 --> 05:48.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's all about greed, you know?
[05:48.240 --> 05:55.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: And if you have people listening, you have people appreciating what it is you're doing, that is really what the goal is.
[05:55.360 --> 06:06.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: You've achieved the goal, and I'm sure the profits will follow at some point, because people will want to buy all the crap that goes with it, you know, the original CD covers, the posters, the shirts, whatever.
[06:06.660 --> 06:08.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: Whatever it is that people market.
[06:08.120 --> 06:09.820]  [SPEAKER_14]: Everything is about marketing, you know?
[06:10.120 --> 06:14.220]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's why no matter how alternative the music, it always winds up as a Pepsi commercial someplace.
[06:15.440 --> 06:16.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, let's continue.
[06:17.180 --> 06:22.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: One, another reader writing in to us, one comment on new punitive copyright legislation.
[06:22.760 --> 06:27.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: Some potentially illegal software many people have and do not realize it.
[06:28.240 --> 06:28.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: You ready?
[06:29.180 --> 06:29.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know what it is?
[06:30.880 --> 06:31.400]  [SPEAKER_14]: Fonts.
[06:32.020 --> 06:33.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's right, fonts.
[06:33.740 --> 06:42.860]  [SPEAKER_14]: For those of you who aren't in the 90s and are just emerging from a cave, fonts are those things, you know, that determine the type style.
[06:43.080 --> 06:45.760]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, when you look in the newspaper, it's like a certain...
[06:45.760 --> 06:47.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: some letters look different than other letters.
[06:47.240 --> 06:48.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's what it is.
[06:48.220 --> 06:49.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's a font.
[06:50.700 --> 06:51.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: And, uh...
[06:52.820 --> 06:53.260]  And...
[06:53.260 --> 06:53.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: Um...
[06:53.880 --> 06:55.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: They all cost money.
[06:55.720 --> 06:58.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: You can't use a font without paying for it.
[06:58.660 --> 06:59.320]  [SPEAKER_14]: You didn't know this?
[06:59.960 --> 07:01.680]  [SPEAKER_14]: Everything you have to pay for.
[07:01.900 --> 07:03.620]  [SPEAKER_14]: You have to pay to listen to music.
[07:03.620 --> 07:05.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: You have to pay to type in a certain style.
[07:07.220 --> 07:08.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's, uh...
[07:08.860 --> 07:10.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's just the way it is.
[07:11.280 --> 07:15.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: If you could pay for space, they'd charge you for that, too.
[07:15.680 --> 07:16.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, fonts.
[07:16.280 --> 07:28.320]  [SPEAKER_14]: Many fonts which sell from vendors for as high as $200 per typeface end up on websites or gobbleware CD-ROMs or BBSs, often in converted versions that can mask the original owners.
[07:28.520 --> 07:35.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: Some software that converts between Type 1 and TrueType or Mac Windows formats tends to mangle and remove copyright messages.
[07:36.100 --> 07:44.920]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's quite possible that the average fontaholic has thousands of dollars worth of illegal software on his or her hard drive.
[07:46.080 --> 07:47.740]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's pretty sobering, isn't it, Fiber?
[07:48.180 --> 07:49.120]  [SPEAKER_15]: Very sobering.
[07:49.180 --> 07:51.320]  [SPEAKER_14]: Do you manage your fonts properly?
[07:51.500 --> 07:51.740]  [SPEAKER_14]: Do you know?
[07:52.060 --> 07:53.880]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'm not actually one of those people.
[07:54.080 --> 07:55.860]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'm definitely not a fontaholic.
[07:56.000 --> 07:56.280]  [SPEAKER_15]: All right.
[07:56.820 --> 07:58.700]  [SPEAKER_15]: All the fonts I have are free fonts.
[07:59.220 --> 08:00.380]  [SPEAKER_15]: I can put you in prison, you know.
[08:00.800 --> 08:02.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: Having the wrong fonts.
[08:02.560 --> 08:05.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: Having the wrong fonts, having the wrong music.
[08:06.120 --> 08:06.560]  Music...
[08:06.560 --> 08:08.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: You gotta keep track of all this.
[08:08.920 --> 08:13.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, now this person here says, it was made legal to own MP3 copies of music as long as you own the CD.
[08:14.400 --> 08:18.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: So the guy who owns the Smashing Pumpkins MP3 will not have a problem with owning that.
[08:19.980 --> 08:20.860]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, uh...
[08:20.860 --> 08:23.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: That seems to agree with the letter before then.
[08:23.920 --> 08:25.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: If you own the CD.
[08:25.320 --> 08:31.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, I guess the software publishers people are gonna kick in your door and search around for CDs now in addition to, uh...
[08:31.540 --> 08:32.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: to, uh...
[08:32.020 --> 08:33.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: the shrink-wrap software that you're supposed to have.
[08:34.780 --> 08:35.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, where is it gonna end?
[08:36.000 --> 08:36.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, we, uh...
[08:36.700 --> 08:39.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: We were talking about a radio station, a shortwave radio station.
[08:39.260 --> 08:40.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: We got lots of mail about this one.
[08:40.700 --> 08:41.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh...
[08:41.100 --> 08:47.860]  [SPEAKER_14]: A station in Costa Rica, I believe it was, that rebroadcasts some very specific programs of which this is not one of them.
[08:48.440 --> 08:49.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: And, uh...
[08:49.040 --> 08:50.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: We have a URL for them.
[08:51.000 --> 08:53.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: If you're on the web, you can connect to, uh...
[08:53.420 --> 09:00.460]  [SPEAKER_14]: www.clark.net slash pub slash cwilkins, who I guess is the guy who's giving his webpage for this.
[09:01.020 --> 09:02.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: cwilkins slash rfpi.
[09:02.720 --> 09:06.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: It stands for Radio Free Peace International or something like that.
[09:07.080 --> 09:07.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh...
[09:07.440 --> 09:09.220]  [SPEAKER_14]: slash rfpi.html.
[09:09.840 --> 09:11.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: So it's two RFPIs in there.
[09:11.880 --> 09:12.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[09:15.570 --> 09:18.450]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm a part-time listener because I often have to work during the program.
[09:18.470 --> 09:19.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: I really do enjoy it.
[09:19.510 --> 09:21.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: I would like to be able to listen more regularly.
[09:21.330 --> 09:24.070]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't have a sound card, so I can't use real audio at this point.
[09:24.870 --> 09:26.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, this is something I don't understand.
[09:26.790 --> 09:28.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: If you can listen to the show, you don't need real audio.
[09:29.070 --> 09:29.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know?
[09:29.530 --> 09:34.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: We don't need people listening who are in the area over real audio because you have the radio station.
[09:34.590 --> 09:36.710]  [SPEAKER_14]: And that doesn't require anything except the radio.
[09:38.090 --> 09:41.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: Anyway, this person says, I signed up for the Cellular Vision ISP.
[09:42.050 --> 09:42.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: Have you heard of this one?
[09:43.190 --> 09:43.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: Cellular Vision.
[09:43.990 --> 09:44.490]  [SPEAKER_14]: Rings a bell.
[09:44.730 --> 09:46.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm not sure if you discussed it on the air.
[09:46.930 --> 09:51.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: So far, I've had a great deal of trouble with the service being down quite a bit earlier this month.
[09:51.290 --> 09:53.910]  [SPEAKER_14]: It was very difficult to get phone calls returned.
[09:54.190 --> 09:56.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: And I was able to get a 50% credit for the month.
[09:57.070 --> 09:58.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: Service now seems to be a little better.
[09:59.450 --> 10:06.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm often free to use the service during the day, but I found it often quite difficult to get on in the evening with some nights of continuous busy signals.
[10:06.550 --> 10:11.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: Performance varies with the speed of the site, but the biggest usefulness is clearly with FTPs.
[10:12.530 --> 10:14.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm not sure what Cellular Vision is.
[10:14.330 --> 10:15.790]  [SPEAKER_14]: So if someone out there is using it, tell us.
[10:15.790 --> 10:22.510]  [SPEAKER_15]: I think it's one of the cellular companies that offers network connectivity over wireless.
[10:22.870 --> 10:30.710]  [SPEAKER_15]: There's a couple of competing ones that are extremely underused that most people don't know about simply because they're not being marketed very well.
[10:32.390 --> 10:33.970]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, that's something.
[10:34.550 --> 10:36.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: And how would it be used then?
[10:36.870 --> 10:41.630]  [SPEAKER_15]: You need to have some form of wireless modem and a subscription to their service.
[10:41.770 --> 10:44.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: As far as security, do they take steps?
[10:45.110 --> 10:46.710]  [SPEAKER_15]: I doubt it's anything special.
[10:47.550 --> 10:50.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: So if you have a scanner listening into those frequencies, what do you hear?
[10:51.010 --> 10:57.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: You'd probably hear garbage, but I'm sure if you had the proper equipment, you'd be able to decode it and pick it up.
[10:57.750 --> 10:58.970]  [SPEAKER_15]: What is that over there?
[10:59.130 --> 11:00.570]  [SPEAKER_15]: This is my new Omnipoint phone.
[11:00.570 --> 11:01.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: Let me see this.
[11:01.270 --> 11:02.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: This is so tiny.
[11:02.850 --> 11:03.450]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, it's great.
[11:03.950 --> 11:06.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: This is like half the size of my Omnipoint phone.
[11:06.930 --> 11:08.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: That is something.
[11:08.470 --> 11:09.390]  [SPEAKER_14]: Of course, it flips out.
[11:09.570 --> 11:09.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[11:09.870 --> 11:10.690]  [SPEAKER_14]: But it's still pretty tiny.
[11:10.990 --> 11:11.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[11:11.310 --> 11:12.490]  [SPEAKER_14]: So what's this one called?
[11:12.690 --> 11:14.790]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's the Ericsson 788.
[11:15.090 --> 11:16.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: The CF 788.
[11:16.850 --> 11:17.010]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[11:17.150 --> 11:17.250]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[11:17.490 --> 11:22.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: I notice, looking at that, that there's actually less space on the screen.
[11:22.350 --> 11:22.730]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[11:22.730 --> 11:28.430]  [SPEAKER_15]: The only thing that I have to complain about is that there's only one line of text on the screen.
[11:28.470 --> 11:29.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: The word Omnipoint barely fits in it.
[11:30.010 --> 11:30.170]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[11:31.470 --> 11:32.590]  [SPEAKER_14]: One line of text.
[11:32.970 --> 11:37.170]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, well, I mean, you get used to reading it because the font is so large.
[11:37.170 --> 11:39.610]  [SPEAKER_15]: So as you're scrolling, you can kind of read it very quickly.
[11:39.770 --> 11:41.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: What happens if you go down to DC and you get Sprint Spectrum?
[11:42.030 --> 11:43.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's not going to fit on that screen.
[11:43.330 --> 11:44.550]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think they just say Sprint.
[11:44.730 --> 11:45.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, really?
[11:45.270 --> 11:45.450]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[11:45.590 --> 11:45.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[11:46.250 --> 11:47.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's pretty smart then.
[11:47.610 --> 11:47.790]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[11:48.070 --> 11:49.530]  [SPEAKER_15]: But it's a great phone.
[11:49.650 --> 11:50.510]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's got great features.
[11:50.710 --> 11:51.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: Tell us about the features.
[11:51.210 --> 11:52.730]  [SPEAKER_15]: The feel of it is really nice.
[11:53.510 --> 12:03.530]  [SPEAKER_15]: You can customize the menus so that you can only have whatever menu options you use most often be the only ones that you want to show up as you're scrolling through the menus.
[12:03.710 --> 12:03.870]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[12:03.870 --> 12:05.370]  [SPEAKER_15]: So the useless ones you can just get rid of.
[12:05.510 --> 12:05.730]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[12:05.870 --> 12:09.250]  [SPEAKER_15]: And you can toggle back and forth to show all menu items or not.
[12:10.070 --> 12:14.250]  [SPEAKER_15]: And another thing is you can compose your own rings, which is pretty neat.
[12:14.530 --> 12:15.530]  [SPEAKER_15]: Compose your own rings?
[12:15.670 --> 12:15.890]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[12:16.090 --> 12:20.730]  [SPEAKER_15]: It has a bunch of songs that come with it.
[12:21.210 --> 12:26.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, but you could also program your own melodies for how you want it to sound when the phone rings.
[12:26.790 --> 12:37.010]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, the other thing that I thought is kind of neat is when you remove the battery, rather than having the little flip-up, uh, window thing to stick your SIM card in, Right.
[12:37.110 --> 12:38.990]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's got a little slit with a lever.
[12:39.250 --> 12:39.510]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[12:39.510 --> 12:44.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: Here, I'll actually, I'll show you so you can, you can see what I'm talking about.
[12:44.590 --> 12:44.710]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[12:44.750 --> 12:45.570]  [SPEAKER_15]: When you remove the battery...
[12:45.570 --> 12:46.770]  [SPEAKER_15]: Everybody look carefully at this.
[12:46.970 --> 12:47.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[12:47.310 --> 12:47.810]  [SPEAKER_15]: Everyone look.
[12:48.010 --> 12:48.250]  [SPEAKER_15]: All right.
[12:48.330 --> 12:51.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: There's basically a slit in the top of the phone.
[12:51.510 --> 12:52.010]  [SPEAKER_15]: I see that.
[12:52.070 --> 12:52.410]  [SPEAKER_15]: I see that.
[12:52.530 --> 12:55.850]  [SPEAKER_15]: And you slide a lever on the back down and you can pull out the SIM card.
[12:55.850 --> 12:56.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: Be careful, be careful.
[12:56.310 --> 12:57.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, that could fly across the room.
[12:57.610 --> 12:57.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: Wow.
[12:58.390 --> 12:59.130]  [SPEAKER_15]: And there it is.
[12:59.210 --> 13:00.750]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, it's a little ejector slit.
[13:01.390 --> 13:02.010]  [SPEAKER_15]: That is amazing.
[13:02.010 --> 13:02.650]  [SPEAKER_15]: Which is kind of neat.
[13:02.650 --> 13:06.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: So I can still take my SIM card and put it into your phone and confuse you.
[13:07.310 --> 13:09.230]  [SPEAKER_15]: That would be, that would be pretty cool.
[13:09.710 --> 13:11.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, the battery life is great.
[13:11.670 --> 13:19.790]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's, I believe this battery is something on the order of four or five hours talk time and I think 60 hours standby.
[13:20.030 --> 13:20.230]  [SPEAKER_15]: Really?
[13:20.390 --> 13:21.470]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's, that's good.
[13:21.870 --> 13:22.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[13:22.130 --> 13:24.730]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's really, and it actually does it unlike mine which says it's bad.
[13:24.730 --> 13:26.070]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, it actually does it.
[13:26.150 --> 13:26.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[13:26.490 --> 13:26.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[13:26.950 --> 13:27.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's pretty good.
[13:28.190 --> 13:31.750]  [SPEAKER_15]: But it's another, another good piece of work from Ericsson.
[13:32.170 --> 13:32.310]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[13:32.310 --> 13:36.010]  [SPEAKER_15]: I, uh, you know, again, the only thing I don't like is the screen.
[13:36.210 --> 13:41.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's, I find it amazing that they're actually reducing the screen because you get news headlines on it.
[13:41.470 --> 13:42.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: How are you supposed to read?
[13:42.070 --> 13:42.910]  [SPEAKER_14]: A word at a time?
[13:42.990 --> 13:43.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: The news headlines?
[13:43.950 --> 13:49.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's, you know, it's hard enough with three lines to scroll through when you're driving at 90 miles an hour to like, you know, read the news.
[13:49.270 --> 13:50.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: That could probably be a problem.
[13:50.290 --> 13:51.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, so I don't know how are you supposed to do it here?
[13:52.090 --> 13:52.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[13:53.110 --> 13:54.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: But, uh, yeah, it certainly is tiny.
[13:54.790 --> 13:55.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: You could swallow this thing.
[13:55.650 --> 13:55.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[13:55.830 --> 13:56.470]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's really small.
[13:56.630 --> 14:01.450]  [SPEAKER_15]: The best thing about it that I like, the number one improvement other than the size is the antenna.
[14:02.250 --> 14:02.890]  [SPEAKER_15]: How many times...
[14:02.890 --> 14:03.970]  [SPEAKER_15]: You know, I didn't even notice the antenna.
[14:04.230 --> 14:05.850]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's a retractable antenna.
[14:06.010 --> 14:06.190]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[14:06.830 --> 14:07.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: All right.
[14:07.270 --> 14:15.990]  [SPEAKER_15]: If you compare it with the other two, the 337 and the 388, they have those stupid rubber antennas that you're always worried are going to break off and they're constantly bending in your pocket.
[14:16.190 --> 14:16.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[14:16.710 --> 14:20.390]  [SPEAKER_15]: And every time you sit down, if you have it on your belt, it bends against your hip.
[14:20.530 --> 14:20.750]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[14:20.770 --> 14:21.790]  [SPEAKER_15]: They're really irritating.
[14:22.190 --> 14:22.230]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[14:22.230 --> 14:25.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: This is so much better because it's got a real retractable antenna.
[14:25.670 --> 14:29.210]  [SPEAKER_15]: So it folds up nice and compact and it's out of your way.
[14:29.790 --> 14:31.010]  [SPEAKER_15]: So where do we go from here?
[14:31.690 --> 14:32.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: From here?
[14:32.450 --> 14:33.170]  [SPEAKER_15]: Can't get much smaller.
[14:33.410 --> 14:35.050]  [SPEAKER_15]: I think next we're going to go to...
[14:35.050 --> 14:38.470]  [SPEAKER_15]: I've heard that in Europe they've come out with watch phones.
[14:39.110 --> 14:39.830]  [SPEAKER_15]: Watch phones.
[14:39.910 --> 14:40.690]  [SPEAKER_15]: Watch phones, yeah.
[14:40.690 --> 14:44.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, maybe one of our listeners in Europe can call us up and tell us if that is, in fact, true.
[14:45.090 --> 14:45.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: Watch phones.
[14:46.230 --> 14:46.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[14:46.890 --> 14:48.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: James Bond era has arrived, hasn't it?
[14:48.750 --> 14:48.890]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yep.
[14:49.010 --> 14:50.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: They're calling us the James Bond phone, actually.
[14:51.070 --> 14:51.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: Are they?
[14:51.530 --> 14:51.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[14:51.990 --> 14:55.170]  [SPEAKER_14]: And do they have James Bond advertising like he's advertising everything else?
[14:55.170 --> 14:55.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: He's on the box.
[14:55.570 --> 14:56.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: He's on the box.
[14:56.330 --> 14:57.690]  [SPEAKER_15]: Pierce Brosnan is on the box.
[14:57.970 --> 14:58.230]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, boy.
[14:58.970 --> 15:01.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: I wouldn't buy it just for that reason alone, you know?
[15:01.790 --> 15:02.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, I think it's funny.
[15:02.930 --> 15:03.890]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's great marketing, though.
[15:04.190 --> 15:05.170]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I suppose.
[15:05.750 --> 15:07.170]  [SPEAKER_15]: So that's an Ericsson.
[15:07.290 --> 15:08.190]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's the Ericsson, yep.
[15:08.470 --> 15:08.730]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[15:08.890 --> 15:12.430]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's the smallest phone yet next to the Motorola StarTAC.
[15:12.610 --> 15:12.890]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[15:13.370 --> 15:14.050]  [SPEAKER_15]: The little phone.
[15:14.070 --> 15:19.990]  [SPEAKER_15]: Which is, yeah, which is slightly smaller lengthwise and has a bigger screen and costs $800.
[15:20.490 --> 15:21.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: $800 for a little tiny phone?
[15:22.150 --> 15:22.250]  [SPEAKER_15]: $800, yeah.
[15:22.830 --> 15:23.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: Wow.
[15:23.850 --> 15:24.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's pretty amazing.
[15:25.190 --> 15:26.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's almost as much as a computer.
[15:26.630 --> 15:26.750]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[15:27.190 --> 15:28.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's pretty ridiculous.
[15:28.750 --> 15:30.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, let's continue with some mail here.
[15:30.950 --> 15:32.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, wait, you got to show us a customized ring.
[15:33.010 --> 15:36.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, you want to hear, should I program one in right now?
[15:36.210 --> 15:38.130]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, do you have a funny one or do you want to make one?
[15:38.250 --> 15:39.250]  [SPEAKER_15]: I can make one.
[15:39.390 --> 15:39.570]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[15:39.790 --> 15:40.710]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'll make a quick one.
[15:40.890 --> 15:41.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[15:41.250 --> 15:43.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: Do you want to guide us through the steps as you're programming it?
[15:43.650 --> 15:44.730]  [SPEAKER_15]: Actually, let's do that.
[15:45.250 --> 15:45.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[15:45.590 --> 15:48.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: We hear lots of little beeps and buzzes that maybe you want to tell us what's going on.
[15:48.050 --> 15:49.790]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'm just turning my phone on.
[15:49.910 --> 15:57.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's cool because unlike the other Ericsson phones, you could put this one in a mode when you press the buttons, you actually hear Touch-Tones.
[15:57.950 --> 15:58.310]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's good.
[15:58.310 --> 16:00.230]  [SPEAKER_15]: Which makes it feel a lot more like a real phone.
[16:00.310 --> 16:00.450]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[16:00.710 --> 16:02.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: With the other ones, you can't hear anything.
[16:02.970 --> 16:04.050]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, so what I'm going
[16:13.650 --> 16:21.030]  [SPEAKER_15]: regular Touch-Tones except for the arrow keys and the yes-no comes out as an A tone.
[16:21.370 --> 16:21.690]  [SPEAKER_15]: Really?
[16:21.770 --> 16:22.750]  [SPEAKER_15]: Which I think is pretty interesting.
[16:22.930 --> 16:24.710]  [SPEAKER_15]: I thought it would have been cooler if it had A, B, C, and D.
[16:24.830 --> 16:25.030]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[16:25.910 --> 16:26.550]  [SPEAKER_14]: But alas.
[16:26.790 --> 16:30.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, when there's a purpose for A, B, C, and D, I suppose they'll put that on there.
[16:30.230 --> 16:30.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[16:31.590 --> 16:34.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, that's another way for us to have solved all our area code problems.
[16:34.350 --> 16:36.590]  [SPEAKER_14]: You simply add a fourth column of Touch-Tones.
[16:36.990 --> 16:37.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[16:37.290 --> 16:39.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, it could have been 2, 1, 2, A.
[16:39.690 --> 16:39.790]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[16:39.790 --> 16:40.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: It could have been our new area code.
[16:40.990 --> 16:42.970]  [SPEAKER_15]: That would have been kind of neat to finally make use of those.
[16:43.030 --> 16:45.070]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, like have these text-type numbers going around.
[16:45.250 --> 16:45.350]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[16:46.430 --> 16:52.430]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, so right now I'm in the Edit Melody section of the Settings menu.
[16:52.610 --> 16:54.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: You want to tell us what the melodies are?
[16:54.550 --> 16:55.650]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, the ones that come with it?
[16:55.870 --> 16:57.030]  [SPEAKER_15]: I can play them.
[16:57.210 --> 16:59.350]  [SPEAKER_15]: The ones that come with I can play on the air.
[16:59.510 --> 16:59.790]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[16:59.970 --> 17:02.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: We have the irritating ones.
[17:04.090 --> 17:04.650]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[17:05.670 --> 17:07.130]  [SPEAKER_15]: Then we have the songs.
[17:10.390 --> 17:11.390]  [SPEAKER_14]: What song is that?
[17:11.770 --> 17:12.490]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, okay.
[17:14.810 --> 17:16.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: They could use some help on that.
[17:26.980 --> 17:28.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: Do you have anything with a beat?
[17:30.920 --> 17:31.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, oh boy.
[17:38.440 --> 17:40.840]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, this was actually on the old phone.
[17:42.860 --> 17:44.200]  [SPEAKER_15]: They have a funny one in here.
[17:45.880 --> 17:46.380]  [SPEAKER_15]: That one.
[17:46.420 --> 17:49.160]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, that's a good thing to get at a business meeting, you know.
[17:49.250 --> 17:49.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, excuse me.
[17:49.990 --> 17:50.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's the president on the phone.
[17:50.900 --> 17:53.340]  [SPEAKER_15]: I have mine set to this one.
[17:56.320 --> 17:57.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: You don't like any phone calls, do you?
[17:59.320 --> 18:00.860]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's the terror ring.
[18:00.960 --> 18:01.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[18:01.480 --> 18:02.280]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's what I call it.
[18:02.360 --> 18:03.820]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's, uh, yeah, that's the ominous ring there.
[18:03.900 --> 18:05.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, so you're going to compose one now for us?
[18:05.220 --> 18:07.040]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I'll make, I'll do something simple.
[18:07.280 --> 18:07.540]  [SPEAKER_15]: All right.
[18:07.780 --> 18:08.640]  [SPEAKER_15]: How do you do this?
[18:08.720 --> 18:10.080]  [SPEAKER_15]: I mean, what settings?
[18:10.080 --> 18:15.400]  [SPEAKER_15]: Actually, what they do is they map out the touchstone keypad to an octave and a half.
[18:15.580 --> 18:15.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[18:16.420 --> 18:23.160]  [SPEAKER_15]: And, uh, basically, it's quite enough notes to, uh, to compose, uh, most any little tunes.
[18:23.320 --> 18:24.500]  [SPEAKER_15]: Do you have to be a musician to be able to do this?
[18:24.620 --> 18:29.240]  [SPEAKER_15]: No, actually, uh, well, as long as you know the musical scale, you should be able to pick out tunes just by ear.
[18:29.420 --> 18:32.760]  [SPEAKER_15]: Is there, in the manual, do they explain the musical scale?
[18:32.980 --> 18:36.060]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, they explain how to, and they have a couple sample songs in there, too.
[18:36.180 --> 18:36.400]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[18:36.600 --> 18:37.680]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, it's kind of neat.
[18:37.820 --> 18:38.860]  [SPEAKER_15]: How long can it be?
[18:39.780 --> 18:44.880]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, I've never actually reached a limit, so I don't know exactly how long it is.
[18:44.880 --> 18:47.500]  [SPEAKER_15]: Put in a God of the Vita on there, and it'd be really cool.
[18:47.800 --> 18:51.920]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I don't know if, uh, you'd end up wasting, uh, memory.
[18:52.420 --> 18:53.460]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, you'd impress people.
[18:53.460 --> 18:54.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's the important thing, and that's all that matters.
[18:56.140 --> 18:56.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[18:56.640 --> 18:57.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're programming now.
[18:57.640 --> 19:02.200]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, actually, I'm programming in, uh, Mary Had a Little Lamb.
[19:03.420 --> 19:03.780]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[19:05.220 --> 19:10.000]  [SPEAKER_15]: And, uh, it's probably gonna sound pretty crappy, but again, this is only a sample of just how easy it is.
[19:10.240 --> 19:11.420]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, and...
[19:12.760 --> 19:13.880]  [SPEAKER_15]: You did that just now?
[19:13.920 --> 19:14.280]  [SPEAKER_15]: Just now.
[19:14.280 --> 19:14.940]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's pretty good.
[19:15.100 --> 19:15.260]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[19:15.340 --> 19:15.800]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's pretty good.
[19:15.880 --> 19:17.100]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'm gonna actually call you now.
[19:17.320 --> 19:19.540]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, actually, let me set that to my ring.
[19:19.720 --> 19:19.840]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[19:20.960 --> 19:23.760]  [SPEAKER_15]: I want to hear with that, uh...
[19:23.760 --> 19:24.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[19:25.340 --> 19:26.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, I'm now dialing you on...
[19:26.700 --> 19:26.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[19:28.220 --> 19:29.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: ...on my GSM phone.
[19:30.020 --> 19:31.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: It says it's connecting.
[19:34.570 --> 19:35.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: There it is.
[19:36.930 --> 19:37.910]  [SPEAKER_14]: And it has your number.
[19:40.330 --> 19:42.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: You might want to put the second verse in there.
[19:42.370 --> 19:42.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[19:43.710 --> 19:44.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: Sounds kind of dumb like that.
[19:45.030 --> 19:45.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[19:45.890 --> 19:46.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[19:46.530 --> 19:47.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, that's kind of cool.
[19:48.150 --> 19:50.010]  [SPEAKER_15]: So, now, how many phones have you gotten?
[19:50.310 --> 19:51.430]  [SPEAKER_15]: I have all three now.
[19:51.570 --> 19:54.050]  [SPEAKER_15]: I have the 337, the 388, and the 788.
[19:54.830 --> 19:55.190]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[19:55.190 --> 19:56.770]  [SPEAKER_15]: What made them jump from threes to sevens?
[19:57.770 --> 19:58.130]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um...
[19:58.130 --> 19:59.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'm not exactly sure.
[19:59.110 --> 20:04.770]  [SPEAKER_15]: I know that there are some, uh, sixes in between, but, um, I don't think they were ever released in the United States.
[20:04.770 --> 20:07.270]  [SPEAKER_15]: I don't think they were considered a big enough jump.
[20:07.770 --> 20:08.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: Interesting.
[20:08.230 --> 20:08.350]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[20:08.510 --> 20:10.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, that's, uh, that's, that's pretty cool.
[20:11.170 --> 20:11.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: Um, all right.
[20:11.850 --> 20:19.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now, uh, considering, um, uh, we've been talking about this over the past few weeks, you know, the FCC business with the payphones.
[20:19.370 --> 20:19.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[20:19.630 --> 20:22.730]  [SPEAKER_14]: I've been getting nothing but, uh, letters from people about this.
[20:22.850 --> 20:29.350]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, how unfair it is that, uh, the FCC has mandated that anyone with an 800 number has to pay extra now when someone from a payphone calls them.
[20:29.490 --> 20:31.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: 30 cents extra per call.
[20:31.590 --> 20:38.930]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, this person came up with a really cool solution to this and that is to call the FCC to tell them that this is a bad idea.
[20:39.130 --> 20:39.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: And you know what?
[20:39.970 --> 20:46.930]  [SPEAKER_14]: The FCC has an 800 number which you can call from payphones and then they'll have to pay an extra 30 cents every time you call them.
[20:47.470 --> 20:50.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's, uh, that's something to, uh, to consider here.
[20:50.030 --> 20:51.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: Let's, let's give the number a call.
[20:51.350 --> 20:53.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: Actually, they, they have two different numbers.
[20:53.770 --> 20:55.350]  [SPEAKER_14]: Um, but they both work.
[20:59.090 --> 21:06.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: This number is 1-800 3-2-2 1-1-1-7
[21:09.290 --> 21:11.670]  [SPEAKER_16]: You have reached the FCC in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.
[21:11.930 --> 21:13.270]  [SPEAKER_16]: This number has been changed.
[21:13.490 --> 21:17.270]  [SPEAKER_16]: The new number is 1-888-CALL-FCC.
[21:17.690 --> 21:19.950]  [SPEAKER_16]: Please remain on the line and your call will be forwarded.
[21:20.690 --> 21:21.230]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's handy.
[21:21.530 --> 21:21.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's so good.
[21:21.990 --> 21:25.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: Welcome to the Federal Communications Commission's National Call Center.
[21:25.450 --> 21:27.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: For service in Spanish, please press 8.
[21:28.010 --> 21:30.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: Para Espanol Lo Prima El Numero Ocho.
[21:31.090 --> 21:33.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: All other callers, please stay on the line.
[21:33.350 --> 21:34.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, let's stay on the line.
[21:34.130 --> 21:35.170]  [SPEAKER_14]: We don't need Spanish right now.
[21:38.010 --> 21:41.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: Our normal hours of operation are from 8 a.m.
[21:41.310 --> 21:42.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: to 5.30 p.m.
[21:43.010 --> 21:46.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: Eastern Standard Time, Monday through Friday, excluding holidays.
[21:46.990 --> 21:52.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you are calling from a Touch-Tone telephone, certain information is available to you at this time.
[21:53.750 --> 22:03.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you are a representative of a public safety entity and require immediate assistance to address an urgent safety-of-life problem, please press 1.
[22:03.650 --> 22:08.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: If your call concerns the auctioning of frequencies, please press 2.
[22:08.390 --> 22:11.730]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you are a member of the news media, please press 3.
[22:11.950 --> 22:18.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: If your call concerns the status of a land mobile or amateur radio application, please press 4.
[22:18.170 --> 22:21.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: If your call concerns interference problems to telephones,
[22:35.990 --> 22:37.730]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, you know, I have to press 8.
[22:39.350 --> 22:44.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: Thank you for calling the Federal Communications Commission's National Call Center.
[22:45.550 --> 22:46.550]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, no, he hung up.
[22:46.630 --> 22:46.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: He got mad.
[22:47.790 --> 22:51.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, well, there's all kinds of things you can learn there.
[22:51.690 --> 22:53.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: And I think it works in payphones.
[22:54.170 --> 23:03.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, feel free to give them all the feedback you want as far as what a boneheaded idea that was, charging people extra for payphone use.
[23:04.890 --> 23:05.550]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't know.
[23:05.690 --> 23:07.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: It can't go on much longer.
[23:07.170 --> 23:07.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: It really can't.
[23:08.110 --> 23:12.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's such a bad law, I just can't understand how it ever happened in the first place.
[23:13.190 --> 23:18.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, speaking of frustrating things, you're talking about your new GSM phone.
[23:18.570 --> 23:21.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: I had this really frustrating incident with Sprint PCS.
[23:21.810 --> 23:21.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: Really?
[23:22.030 --> 23:23.930]  [SPEAKER_14]: No matter what phone company you use, you're going to have frustrating incidents.
[23:24.070 --> 23:32.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: But this involves... actually, I had this problem with Omnipoint, too, for a little while, where they don't actually cut over the exchange.
[23:32.330 --> 23:35.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: They don't tell everybody that the exchange is working.
[23:35.190 --> 23:39.170]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, it goes to a whole different phone number.
[23:39.490 --> 23:46.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now, there are people I know that are in this new exchange, and I wind up calling them, and I get all these bizarre recordings.
[23:47.030 --> 23:47.550]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know?
[23:47.610 --> 23:50.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: I get connected to different companies and different area codes.
[23:50.690 --> 23:52.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now, this is what happens.
[23:52.290 --> 23:53.590]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm going to demonstrate right now.
[23:53.710 --> 24:03.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: This is the kind of frustrating recording that you get if you call one of these wrong numbers, just to show you what kind of dead end you hit.
[24:03.590 --> 24:04.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: Listen to this.
[24:10.390 --> 24:13.150]  [SPEAKER_18]: You have been forwarded to a voicemail system.
[24:13.450 --> 24:19.690]  [SPEAKER_18]: However, the person at 8-6-4-8 does not subscribe to this service.
[24:19.870 --> 24:22.190]  [SPEAKER_18]: Call answering cannot be continued at this time.
[24:22.810 --> 24:24.050]  [SPEAKER_18]: Transferring to an attendant.
[24:24.510 --> 24:25.250]  [SPEAKER_18]: One moment, please.
[24:29.070 --> 24:31.670]  [SPEAKER_18]: Your session cannot be continued at this time.
[24:31.930 --> 24:33.210]  [SPEAKER_18]: Please try again later.
[24:33.630 --> 24:33.910]  [SPEAKER_18]: Goodbye.
[24:34.290 --> 24:38.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, that's what you have to deal with 24 hours a day when you call that number.
[24:38.650 --> 24:42.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: Imagine trying to reach somebody who you know that's their number, but you keep getting that stupid recording.
[24:42.830 --> 24:43.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's pretty wacky.
[24:43.770 --> 24:45.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, it's a real pain.
[24:45.430 --> 24:51.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: And just try getting Sprint or Barrel Atlantic or anybody to understand what you're talking about when you say, you know, I know this person is there, I know that number works.
[24:51.950 --> 24:55.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's a new exchange, they just haven't cut it over yet, and it's routing to the wrong thing.
[24:55.610 --> 25:01.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: So that's part of the problem with new services like this.
[25:01.090 --> 25:04.490]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, here's a letter from someone in...
[25:04.490 --> 25:04.930]  [SPEAKER_14]: What's MS?
[25:05.070 --> 25:05.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's Missouri?
[25:06.450 --> 25:08.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: MS is, no, Mississippi.
[25:08.490 --> 25:08.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: Mississippi.
[25:09.090 --> 25:09.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: M-O is Missouri.
[25:09.890 --> 25:10.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[25:10.590 --> 25:10.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[25:11.490 --> 25:12.490]  [SPEAKER_14]: I live in MS.
[25:12.810 --> 25:13.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: I might live in Microsoft.
[25:13.990 --> 25:14.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: Who knows?
[25:15.450 --> 25:16.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: Who knows?
[25:16.410 --> 25:17.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: I just found...
[25:17.330 --> 25:20.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: I just found off the air on the net.
[25:20.390 --> 25:21.590]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now, first of all...
[25:21.590 --> 25:22.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: Off the air?
[25:22.090 --> 25:24.390]  [SPEAKER_14]: First of all, pal, the show is called Off the Hook.
[25:24.830 --> 25:27.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's not off the air because we're on the air, all right?
[25:27.050 --> 25:28.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's off the hook.
[25:28.310 --> 25:29.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: So get that right.
[25:29.650 --> 25:30.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: Just found off the air.
[25:30.530 --> 25:31.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: On the net.
[25:31.350 --> 25:39.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: Through the 2600 webpage, I've listened to most of your pre-recorded shows, and I'm looking forward to Tuesday so I can hear my first live airing, which hopefully he's heard already.
[25:40.070 --> 25:44.250]  [SPEAKER_14]: I was wondering, after listening to several of your shows, I began to notice the background buzz clips.
[25:45.330 --> 25:46.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: Buzz clips?
[25:46.230 --> 25:46.790]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't know if that's...
[25:46.790 --> 25:48.450]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think he watches MTV a little too much.
[25:48.470 --> 25:50.250]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I think that might be the case, in fact.
[25:50.370 --> 25:52.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's what the people of today say when they mean music.
[25:54.510 --> 25:59.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: I was wondering, are there any tapes or CDs you sell of your background music and of your theme song?
[25:59.650 --> 26:04.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, you see, this is how we could get into trouble, by taking other people's music and selling it as our own.
[26:04.410 --> 26:06.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: You see, that I can understand being a crime.
[26:06.990 --> 26:17.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: But when you copy things and listen to them in other mediums, like your car, you know, your head, as you're jogging or whatever, you know, that's you doing this.
[26:17.550 --> 26:20.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: You should not have to be regulated by the government for that.
[26:20.110 --> 26:22.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: But no, we do not sell other people's music.
[26:22.930 --> 26:25.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: We just, you know, it's not right.
[26:25.770 --> 26:29.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: However, if you have questions, this person does have a question as to what we were playing a few weeks ago.
[26:30.310 --> 26:33.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: Who did the guitar solo on the December 16th airing?
[26:34.450 --> 26:35.410]  [SPEAKER_14]: Do you remember this, Fiber?
[26:35.850 --> 26:36.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: No.
[26:36.410 --> 26:38.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: The guitar solo on the December 16th airing.
[26:38.690 --> 26:39.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: I know who it is.
[26:39.970 --> 26:41.390]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm pretty sure I know who it is, anyway.
[26:43.190 --> 26:43.690]  [SPEAKER_14]: Give up?
[26:43.930 --> 26:44.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I give up.
[26:44.610 --> 26:44.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[26:44.850 --> 26:45.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: David Gilmour.
[26:45.790 --> 26:46.070]  [SPEAKER_14]: Really?
[26:46.170 --> 26:48.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: It was David Gilmour from his solo album from back in the 70s someplace.
[26:49.090 --> 26:51.410]  [SPEAKER_14]: And I think the song was called Raise My Rent or something like that.
[26:52.450 --> 26:54.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, yeah, we don't always say what we play.
[26:54.470 --> 26:57.790]  [SPEAKER_14]: Like, today we play this person called Mulu or a band called Mulu.
[26:57.810 --> 26:59.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't know if that was it.
[26:59.290 --> 26:59.930]  [SPEAKER_14]: And the Beastie Boys.
[27:00.350 --> 27:02.070]  [SPEAKER_14]: But sometimes we forget to say who we played.
[27:02.230 --> 27:03.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, we're sorry if that happens.
[27:03.530 --> 27:06.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: You can always write to us and we'll try to answer it either on the air or through the Internet.
[27:07.970 --> 27:09.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: Have you been following the new MetroCard thing?
[27:10.190 --> 27:12.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's confusing as anything.
[27:13.130 --> 27:13.450]  [SPEAKER_14]: No.
[27:13.450 --> 27:15.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: Where you get 11 rides for the price of 10.
[27:15.830 --> 27:16.410]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, really?
[27:16.530 --> 27:16.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[27:16.670 --> 27:22.350]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, basically, you give them $15 for 10 rides and you wind up with 11 rides.
[27:23.290 --> 27:23.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[27:24.050 --> 27:26.350]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now, listen to this person here.
[27:28.550 --> 27:36.890]  [SPEAKER_14]: The pamphlet that you get with all this hints that the card will be storing two distinct types of money, one of which is only for the extra rides.
[27:37.230 --> 27:42.490]  [SPEAKER_14]: Since rides are the only thing a MetroCard is supposed to pay for, it would seem to make sense just to add money to the amount on the card.
[27:42.650 --> 27:46.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: But the pamphlet says, how do I know that my free rides are on my card?
[27:47.430 --> 27:53.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: You won't see them when you pay, but you will see them when you check your balance on the MetroCard reader at the station booth.
[27:53.250 --> 28:00.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: This implies that the system won't just be adding money to your card, but will be storing extra information to keep track of how much you have for free rides.
[28:02.050 --> 28:05.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: I've heard similar questions from a lot of people.
[28:05.370 --> 28:10.010]  [SPEAKER_14]: I haven't actually, you know, gotten to give the Transit Authority 15 bucks yet to see how this works.
[28:10.210 --> 28:11.950]  [SPEAKER_14]: So they're storing two different values on the card.
[28:12.010 --> 28:13.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think that's something.
[28:13.290 --> 28:15.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: You have something on this or are you just playing with the microphone?
[28:15.310 --> 28:15.590]  [SPEAKER_14]: You do.
[28:15.670 --> 28:15.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[28:16.390 --> 28:17.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: What do you got there?
[28:17.470 --> 28:19.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're a Transit Authority rider, are you not?
[28:20.350 --> 28:21.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a rider, yeah.
[28:21.330 --> 28:22.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: You ride the Transit Authority.
[28:23.030 --> 28:23.390]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[28:23.750 --> 28:26.230]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm not sure if they're distinct types of money, but...
[28:26.230 --> 28:26.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're a little closer.
[28:27.030 --> 28:27.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're kind of far away.
[28:27.850 --> 28:28.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, yes.
[28:29.010 --> 28:37.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: But I know that it's not like just a subway ride because it does work on other buses like the Liberty Lines Express.
[28:37.750 --> 28:38.110]  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[28:38.410 --> 28:40.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: And that takes it just like money.
[28:41.270 --> 28:41.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[28:41.750 --> 28:48.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: Someone told me actually that the express bus pass is different than the subway pass even though it looks exactly the same.
[28:48.630 --> 28:49.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: It won't work in the subway.
[28:49.870 --> 28:50.050]  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[28:50.350 --> 28:50.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[28:51.130 --> 28:51.530]  [SPEAKER_01]: That's...
[28:51.530 --> 28:51.970]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[28:52.510 --> 28:54.870]  [SPEAKER_01]: You get more rides for the express bus if you buy that.
[28:55.010 --> 28:55.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[28:55.410 --> 28:56.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: But you can't use it on the subway.
[28:56.590 --> 29:02.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: But if you buy the 11 for 10 pass someone told me that it's not like you really...
[29:02.610 --> 29:05.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: It doesn't show up as $16.50 on the card.
[29:06.090 --> 29:08.330]  [SPEAKER_01]: When you check the balance it does show up as $16.50.
[29:08.470 --> 29:08.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: It does?
[29:08.810 --> 29:08.970]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[29:09.390 --> 29:09.590]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[29:10.350 --> 29:11.730]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, then that would seem pretty simple.
[29:12.470 --> 29:13.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm still not sure if it's stored differently.
[29:14.290 --> 29:14.410]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[29:14.590 --> 29:17.010]  [SPEAKER_14]: People are getting confused out there so I guess the only way to do it is to...
[29:26.550 --> 29:27.450]  [SPEAKER_14]: What happens for it?
[29:27.530 --> 29:32.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: But if anyone has any questions or comments about that please give us a call and I'm sure we'll hear some stories out there.
[29:33.290 --> 29:33.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[29:33.590 --> 29:36.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: This listener writes in about Nextel phones.
[29:36.710 --> 29:37.930]  [SPEAKER_14]: We get a lot of mail don't we?
[29:38.150 --> 29:38.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[29:38.510 --> 29:41.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: Ever since we went on the Internet we just get piles and piles of mail.
[29:41.950 --> 29:43.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: I have some information on Nextel phones.
[29:43.930 --> 29:44.890]  [SPEAKER_14]: I have one sitting in front of me.
[29:44.950 --> 29:49.790]  [SPEAKER_14]: My first impression it's a heavy ugly Motorola piece of something we can't say on the air.
[29:50.430 --> 29:55.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now if you think the GSM phones will give you dementia I think these Nextel phones are worse.
[29:55.450 --> 29:59.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: When I turn it on and it connects to the network my monitor flickers and my speakers crackle.
[29:59.690 --> 30:04.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: I tried making a call and the speakers consistently crackled and it made the portable phone in the other room buzz loudly.
[30:04.990 --> 30:06.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: The portable was in use of course.
[30:07.370 --> 30:09.450]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think I can feel the cancer coming up already.
[30:09.650 --> 30:13.550]  [SPEAKER_14]: I've never gotten such a reaction from other cell phones CDMA or analog.
[30:14.030 --> 30:15.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: Maybe Fiber knows.
[30:15.410 --> 30:18.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: Why is it causing my monitor to flicker and everything?
[30:18.410 --> 30:33.970]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well I don't know what mode he had the phone in but I know that if he had the phones in intercom mode they operate basically like a walkie talkie which would make them relatively high power transmitters.
[30:34.130 --> 30:37.670]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well he said he tried making a call you don't make a call in intercom mode.
[30:37.690 --> 30:41.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah if he was just making a regular call I'm not exactly sure why that would be the case.
[30:41.690 --> 31:19.390]  [SPEAKER_15]: I know that in general the IDEN I-D-E-N is the the type of phones that they are I know that in general they're typically higher wattage than other types of phones simply because they don't have cell sites all over the place and they can be used as walkie talkie like devices so my guess for lack of more information is... I would guess that it's simply a higher wattage phone and it's more... more
[31:19.390 --> 31:21.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: likely to interfere with other devices.
[31:21.630 --> 31:23.350]  [SPEAKER_14]: Do regular cell phones have that kind of effect?
[31:24.790 --> 31:25.870]  [SPEAKER_15]: It depends.
[31:26.150 --> 31:41.210]  [SPEAKER_15]: I mean, if I hold... if I'm actually using my Omnipoint phone and I hold it next to my... my cordless 900 megahertz phone, sometimes I'll get some buzzing or interference.
[31:41.210 --> 31:44.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: But in general, not the kind of thing that this person is describing.
[31:45.210 --> 31:50.130]  [SPEAKER_15]: Sounds like it's really high power interference coming from his Nextel phone.
[31:50.310 --> 31:50.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: Interesting.
[31:51.830 --> 32:08.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, he goes on to say, the phone itself doesn't seem to have many features and I'm disappointed in Nextel for using a proprietary paging slash messaging software rather than an email or web-based solutions like other digital providers, Omnipoint, AirTouch,
[32:08.370 --> 32:08.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: etc.
[32:09.690 --> 32:12.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, that's some Nextel feedback for you.
[32:12.410 --> 32:14.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: Here's a question, and it's a good question from a listener.
[32:17.810 --> 32:19.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're going to love this guy's name.
[32:19.610 --> 32:20.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: You ready, Fiber?
[32:20.530 --> 32:20.790]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[32:20.990 --> 32:22.250]  [SPEAKER_14]: His name is Fiber Acid.
[32:22.530 --> 32:23.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: Fiber Acid.
[32:23.290 --> 32:23.450]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[32:23.650 --> 32:24.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: There you go.
[32:24.390 --> 32:27.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: He took you and he took Acid Freak and he merged them together.
[32:28.190 --> 32:28.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: Unbelievable.
[32:29.070 --> 32:31.690]  [SPEAKER_14]: And, yeah, that's something right there.
[32:32.130 --> 32:32.950]  [SPEAKER_14]: Fiber Acid.
[32:33.090 --> 32:33.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, boy.
[32:34.630 --> 32:34.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[32:35.350 --> 32:40.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: Is it safe for me to download Off the Hook from the 2600 website or will the feds be knocking on my door?
[32:41.370 --> 32:42.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, Fiber, what do you think?
[32:42.910 --> 32:44.450]  [SPEAKER_14]: Should we tell them how it works?
[32:44.630 --> 32:47.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think, yeah, we ought to tell them the truth.
[32:47.490 --> 32:47.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[32:47.710 --> 32:55.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, look, first of all, there is radio technology now which can tell the federal government what it is you are listening to at any particular moment in time.
[32:55.770 --> 33:01.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: We monitor that information and we submit it to the federal government for the good of a better society.
[33:02.170 --> 33:14.550]  [SPEAKER_14]: If you are listening to things that we deem to be disrespectful to society or potentially subversive in nature, you can expect a knock on the door and a visit at some point in time.
[33:15.030 --> 33:16.550]  [SPEAKER_14]: Same goes for the Internet.
[33:16.630 --> 33:24.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: If you listen to things, connect to things, or take part in things that are potentially subversive in nature, you will have to pay the piper.
[33:24.470 --> 33:30.910]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's a simple price you have to pay for the kind of well-balanced society that we have achieved today.
[33:31.890 --> 33:33.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: Did I phrase that properly?
[33:34.050 --> 33:36.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think you've hit the nail on the head.
[33:36.270 --> 33:42.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, now that our listenership has gone down by about 50%, let's tell the real tale, and that's of course not.
[33:42.310 --> 33:43.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: You can do whatever you want.
[33:44.170 --> 33:47.490]  [SPEAKER_14]: You can listen to anything, you can download anything, you know.
[33:47.650 --> 33:49.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's a radio show, you know.
[33:49.910 --> 33:51.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's for the public airwaves.
[33:52.350 --> 33:56.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, it's not something that the federal government is going to prosecute.
[33:56.870 --> 34:01.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: Although lots of people are going to believe what I just said, and I'm never going to live this down, you know.
[34:01.490 --> 34:02.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: People are going to constantly...
[34:02.750 --> 34:04.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: We might as well name the technology.
[34:04.310 --> 34:05.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, you want to do that right now?
[34:05.390 --> 34:10.930]  [SPEAKER_14]: The technology that allows the federal government to tell you what it is you're listening to on the radio from Washington, D.C.
[34:10.930 --> 34:14.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: We can come up with a name right now on the air, and it'll be...
[34:14.650 --> 34:16.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: You'll see it on the Internet.
[34:16.030 --> 34:21.890]  [SPEAKER_14]: You'll see, you know, spam pieces of mail going out saying, are you aware of this particular piece of technology?
[34:22.630 --> 34:23.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, Flubber?
[34:24.070 --> 34:25.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: No, no, it's used.
[34:25.310 --> 34:25.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh.
[34:25.590 --> 34:26.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's used.
[34:26.590 --> 34:28.170]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's got to be something serious sounding.
[34:28.790 --> 34:30.430]  [SPEAKER_15]: How about the transcapacitor?
[34:31.670 --> 34:32.070]  [SPEAKER_15]: Transcapacitor?
[34:32.250 --> 34:32.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[34:32.810 --> 34:33.510]  [SPEAKER_15]: I like that.
[34:33.750 --> 34:34.310]  [SPEAKER_15]: That could work.
[34:34.410 --> 34:34.470]  [SPEAKER_15]: I like that.
[34:34.590 --> 34:35.490]  [SPEAKER_14]: The transcapacitor.
[34:35.730 --> 34:38.630]  [SPEAKER_15]: Not to be confused with the flux capacitor, which is used for time travel.
[34:38.750 --> 34:39.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right, exactly.
[34:39.370 --> 34:40.690]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, we'll get into that some other show.
[34:40.830 --> 34:41.950]  [SPEAKER_14]: Or maybe we already have.
[34:42.670 --> 34:45.890]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, now, finally, the last letter.
[34:45.990 --> 34:48.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: This is something that I actually found out about a while ago.
[34:48.770 --> 34:52.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: Remember when the whole Yahoo webpage thing took place?
[34:52.210 --> 34:54.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: And the Kevin Mitnick threat was put on there.
[34:54.810 --> 35:04.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: This person notifies us that according to CNN, cyber terrorists demanded the release of convicted hacker Michael Mitnick, threatening to unleash a virus if he is not freed.
[35:04.030 --> 35:06.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: My question is, when did Kevin change his name to Michael?
[35:06.650 --> 35:13.390]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, actually, he did not change his name to Michael, nor is there another Mitnick in prison on hacking charges.
[35:13.830 --> 35:18.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: Rather, CNN just got it wrong, along with, I think, the entire Associated Press.
[35:18.370 --> 35:24.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: And it just makes you think, you know, we spend all this time talking about this, trying to wake people up, and those morons can't even get his name right.
[35:24.930 --> 35:25.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, what is it?
[35:25.710 --> 35:26.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: What don't they understand?
[35:27.150 --> 35:29.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: His name was not spelled wrong on any of those websites.
[35:29.810 --> 35:31.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: We don't say his name wrong.
[35:31.130 --> 35:35.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: Therefore, some idiot down in the newsroom must have said, Oh, yeah, Kevin, or was it Michael?
[35:35.550 --> 35:37.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'll just write Michael, and what the hell?
[35:37.330 --> 35:38.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm not even going to check on it.
[35:38.970 --> 35:48.070]  [SPEAKER_14]: I called WCBS, the radio station in New York City, the news station, when I heard that on the air, and they expressed interest that it was wrong, but I don't think they ever corrected it.
[35:48.350 --> 35:49.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: They said, Oh, how about that?
[35:49.350 --> 35:49.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's interesting.
[35:51.450 --> 35:53.450]  [SPEAKER_14]: And that was the end of that story.
[35:54.190 --> 35:55.910]  [SPEAKER_14]: But, yeah, his name was Michael in many places.
[35:55.950 --> 35:57.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: Do you remember when you got sent to jail?
[35:57.090 --> 35:59.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, your name became Paul.
[35:59.490 --> 36:01.410]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, I remember at least once or twice it did.
[36:01.410 --> 36:03.350]  [SPEAKER_15]: They merged you with one of your co-defendants.
[36:03.490 --> 36:03.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[36:04.010 --> 36:04.790]  [SPEAKER_14]: And I was reading about it.
[36:04.850 --> 36:08.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: I was in D.C., and I was reading about, you know, Paul, whatever, being sentenced.
[36:08.510 --> 36:10.070]  [SPEAKER_14]: And it's like, Okay, how'd this happen?
[36:10.490 --> 36:13.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, is this some third entity that's somehow related to both of you?
[36:13.370 --> 36:14.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's fiber acid.
[36:14.450 --> 36:15.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, exactly.
[36:16.450 --> 36:17.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: And so it goes.
[36:17.890 --> 36:21.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, 212-279-3400 is our telephone number.
[36:21.330 --> 36:26.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: And, of course, if you're calling from outside the country, country code 1, outside the planet, who knows?
[36:27.090 --> 36:27.730]  [SPEAKER_14]: Who knows what else?
[36:29.410 --> 36:31.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: Pick a number, 1-2-6.
[36:32.990 --> 36:33.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: 4.
[36:34.150 --> 36:35.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: Good number, good number.
[36:35.270 --> 36:35.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: Good evening.
[36:36.170 --> 36:36.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, hello.
[36:36.750 --> 36:37.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: How you doing?
[36:37.110 --> 36:37.550]  [SPEAKER_14]: Where are you calling from?
[36:37.950 --> 36:38.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm calling from New York.
[36:39.130 --> 36:39.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, what's up?
[36:41.050 --> 36:46.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, well, yeah, listen, I'm not sure when you guys are talking about this or not, but I thought it would be important to bring up.
[36:46.810 --> 36:48.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: You got some jazz playing in the background there?
[36:48.550 --> 36:49.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, a little.
[36:49.890 --> 36:50.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Should I turn it down?
[36:50.690 --> 36:53.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, yeah, except we're not playing jazz, so how could you be listening to another radio station?
[36:53.990 --> 36:55.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not listening to the radio.
[36:55.190 --> 36:55.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm underground.
[36:55.750 --> 36:56.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: I can't get the radio.
[36:57.090 --> 36:57.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: Underground?
[36:57.770 --> 36:57.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[36:58.190 --> 36:58.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: Wow.
[36:58.750 --> 36:59.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, don't ask.
[36:59.390 --> 37:06.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: But I just want to know, Nortel, Northern Telecom, supposedly is experimenting with phone service through the power lines.
[37:07.350 --> 37:08.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: Phone service through the power lines?
[37:08.770 --> 37:10.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah, no, I read about this in the time.
[37:11.150 --> 37:15.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: And they're doing an ISP service, I guess in a couple counties or whatever there in the UK.
[37:16.630 --> 37:30.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I just thought that would be significant because that could be what brings the Internet, I don't know, whatever you want to call it, to the mainstream or whatever, you know, supposedly at ISDN plus speed.
[37:30.530 --> 37:32.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, yeah, I wasn't sure when that you had heard about that.
[37:32.850 --> 37:33.610]  [SPEAKER_15]: Have you heard about this, Fiverr?
[37:33.750 --> 37:35.710]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, I haven't heard about that specifically.
[37:35.850 --> 37:41.450]  [SPEAKER_15]: I've heard of bundling Internet service with the power lines, not over the power lines.
[37:41.550 --> 37:44.870]  [SPEAKER_15]: I don't know if this is something I haven't yet heard about.
[37:44.990 --> 37:54.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I could be mistaken, but I know it had something to do with the power lines, and I knew it had a pretty fat bandwidth, so as compared to the northern, you know, analog phone service or whatever.
[37:55.730 --> 37:57.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, I don't know, I thought I'd let you know.
[37:57.770 --> 37:58.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, thanks for calling.
[37:59.830 --> 38:02.390]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yet another way of getting wired.
[38:02.710 --> 38:03.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: And electrocuted.
[38:03.930 --> 38:05.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
[38:05.390 --> 38:09.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: If you mess around with those wires, who knows what could happen there.
[38:10.250 --> 38:12.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: 212-279-3400, good evening, you're on the air.
[38:13.590 --> 38:14.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: Speak up, please.
[38:14.310 --> 38:21.050]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, I was wondering about the Sprint PCS phone, if you ever figured out the code for it.
[38:21.570 --> 38:24.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: No, you know, nobody has sent us information.
[38:24.350 --> 38:27.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: Basically, what we need, this is for the Samsung phone.
[38:27.670 --> 38:27.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[38:28.050 --> 38:36.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: When you first turn it on, and this is assuming you don't let the people at Radio Shack or Sprint PCS or wherever it is you get it do this for you.
[38:36.510 --> 38:43.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: When you first use the phone, it has a fake 10-digit phone number, the first seven digits of which usually are zero.
[38:43.970 --> 38:54.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: And you call up Sprint PCS, you tell them that number, they tell you a special four-digit code to unlock the phone, and then you enter in the phone number that you've been assigned, and that four-digit code changes.
[38:55.110 --> 39:00.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now, we have one four-digit code paired to one fake 10-digit phone number.
[39:00.810 --> 39:12.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: If we were to get a second one, we very well might be able to figure out if there is an algorithm attached to it and what that algorithm is, and then we might be able to unlock the phone with a real phone number and do all kinds of fun things.
[39:12.190 --> 39:21.610]  [SPEAKER_19]: Okay, now, I was playing around with one, and I don't know, if you hit menu 8-0, it brings up where it says service code, and then it wants you to enter in some kind of code.
[39:21.770 --> 39:22.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: Let me do that right now.
[39:22.530 --> 39:23.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: Menu 8-0.
[39:23.910 --> 39:24.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, you get a service code.
[39:24.970 --> 39:26.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's a six-digit service code.
[39:26.270 --> 39:26.410]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[39:26.830 --> 39:29.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: So let me enter 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...
[39:29.510 --> 39:30.250]  [SPEAKER_19]: I already tried that.
[39:30.350 --> 39:30.710]  [SPEAKER_14]: ...6.
[39:31.290 --> 39:35.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: It says invalid code, and it puts me back in the menu there.
[39:36.170 --> 39:40.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: But I think the other one was menu 5-0.
[39:41.730 --> 39:42.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, my mistake.
[39:42.650 --> 39:43.690]  [SPEAKER_14]: It was a six-digit code there, too.
[39:43.790 --> 39:44.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: Not a four-digit code.
[39:45.030 --> 39:52.690]  [SPEAKER_14]: So I'll enter 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 there as well, and that's an invalid code, and the phone shuts off.
[39:53.290 --> 39:55.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: The phone has shut off because of my invalid attempts.
[39:56.650 --> 40:00.950]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, yeah, if you have information on that, please pass it along to us.
[40:01.110 --> 40:02.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: Any more experiments on that phone?
[40:02.670 --> 40:03.030]  [SPEAKER_19]: No.
[40:03.250 --> 40:04.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: You have the same phone I do, I guess.
[40:04.470 --> 40:04.810]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
[40:05.790 --> 40:07.550]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, I don't have the problem you've had with it.
[40:07.590 --> 40:10.350]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, no, probably because you live in range of the signal.
[40:10.550 --> 40:10.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[40:10.970 --> 40:11.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: You probably have a good signal where you are.
[40:12.090 --> 40:17.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: When you have a bad signal, then you'll have battery problems, which is why it's a good idea just to keep it turned off.
[40:17.890 --> 40:18.170]  [SPEAKER_19]: Mm-hmm.
[40:18.850 --> 40:19.290]  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
[40:19.450 --> 40:19.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[40:20.070 --> 40:20.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: Take care.
[40:20.490 --> 40:20.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: Thank you.
[40:20.730 --> 40:20.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: Bye-bye.
[40:21.990 --> 40:22.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: Good evening.
[40:22.770 --> 40:23.350]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're on Off the Hook.
[40:24.450 --> 40:24.690]  [SPEAKER_14]: Hey.
[40:25.030 --> 40:25.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: Speak up, please.
[40:26.270 --> 40:26.490]  [SPEAKER_06]: Hey.
[40:27.090 --> 40:29.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: It sounds like you're calling from orbit or something.
[40:29.390 --> 40:30.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: Where exactly are you?
[40:31.510 --> 40:33.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm from Stonway, New York.
[40:33.210 --> 40:35.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm Emmanuel Optic, the first hacker ever.
[40:35.790 --> 40:37.250]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're Emmanuel Optic, the first hacker.
[40:37.330 --> 40:43.730]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, you know, you need to get a better connection, Emmanuel, before you try dropping in on us.
[40:43.990 --> 40:44.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: Good evening.
[40:44.390 --> 40:44.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're on the air.
[40:46.290 --> 40:46.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hello?
[40:46.910 --> 40:47.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, speak up, please.
[40:48.110 --> 40:48.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, hi.
[40:48.790 --> 40:49.110]  [SPEAKER_14]: How you doing?
[40:49.110 --> 40:50.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I have a question.
[40:51.010 --> 40:51.910]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, turn on your radio.
[40:52.090 --> 40:52.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[40:52.910 --> 40:53.310]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
[40:53.390 --> 40:54.790]  [SPEAKER_14]: Or a computer or whatever it is.
[40:54.930 --> 40:55.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, okay.
[40:55.610 --> 41:04.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: My question is, um, the PCS phone, um, I'm glad you, uh, actually clarified something about, uh, those recordings that you get.
[41:05.110 --> 41:05.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[41:05.650 --> 41:11.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Because, um, I always, I think it was about ten times I already got that, and I complained to PCS.
[41:11.470 --> 41:12.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: Which recording do you mean?
[41:12.710 --> 41:16.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: That recording you just played at, you know, transferring you to an attendant.
[41:16.710 --> 41:17.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: You get the same thing.
[41:18.170 --> 41:18.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[41:18.190 --> 41:21.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're trying to call somebody in a certain exchange, and you get, uh, that's interesting.
[41:21.890 --> 41:24.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and, uh, I mean, there's a lot of other type of weird recordings I get.
[41:25.190 --> 41:25.910]  [SPEAKER_14]: Can I ask you a question?
[41:25.990 --> 41:26.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: What area code are you in?
[41:27.010 --> 41:27.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, 718.
[41:27.890 --> 41:29.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: 718, and you get that from there.
[41:29.570 --> 41:32.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because usually I travel out to PA.
[41:32.510 --> 41:32.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[41:33.030 --> 41:36.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, um, my phone switches into an analog switch.
[41:36.790 --> 41:36.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[41:37.290 --> 41:39.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: Because I get that roaming phone or whatever it is.
[41:39.170 --> 41:40.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right, you get the dual-mode phone.
[41:40.430 --> 41:45.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and, um, see, uh, and I didn't quite understand why the hell I keep getting that.
[41:45.870 --> 41:46.070]  Uh-huh.
[41:46.070 --> 41:55.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, I explained, I complained to PCS, and they went on and on and on about saying, oh, it's just, um, you know, you probably done the wrong number, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
[41:55.590 --> 41:56.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, it's all your fault.
[41:56.690 --> 41:58.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's all my fault.
[41:58.450 --> 42:03.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: I also wanted to know information about the, uh, the wireless fax, um, modem.
[42:04.830 --> 42:07.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, do they, does PCS have that?
[42:07.790 --> 42:10.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: The, the wireless fiber, maybe you, you can answer this.
[42:10.970 --> 42:12.390]  [SPEAKER_14]: The wireless fax modem?
[42:13.550 --> 42:14.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: Wireless fax modem?
[42:14.670 --> 42:25.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because, uh, there was something, uh, someone told me about, um, cause I called his number, and it says, oh, to send a fax, this is a cell, cell fax number?
[42:25.210 --> 42:27.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can't use, uh, regular fax?
[42:28.610 --> 42:31.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it says, after beep, start faxing me, some crap like that?
[42:31.930 --> 42:34.490]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, you can, you can send faxes over GSM phones.
[42:34.950 --> 42:37.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: I see, that's what I wanted to know, I wasn't sure about that.
[42:37.290 --> 42:39.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, you could send it with a regular fax machine, too.
[42:39.790 --> 42:41.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: Or else it would be kind of pointless.
[42:41.490 --> 42:43.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but that's what they told me that you couldn't.
[42:43.750 --> 42:45.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: This PCS actually told me that.
[42:45.390 --> 42:53.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oops, I'm, uh, I'm sorry, I inadvertently dropped the dial tone in, because I was attempting to, uh, to demonstrate something, but let me, uh, I lost the caller, too, on top of that.
[42:53.950 --> 42:55.590]  [SPEAKER_14]: But let me, let me demonstrate, if he's still there.
[42:56.310 --> 42:57.410]  [SPEAKER_14]: Um, can I call your, uh...
[42:57.410 --> 42:58.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, call my number.
[42:58.590 --> 42:59.890]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'll just send it to voicemail.
[43:00.090 --> 43:04.950]  [SPEAKER_14]: Send it to voicemail immediately, and that way we can demonstrate what this, uh, fax technology is.
[43:05.150 --> 43:05.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yep.
[43:06.330 --> 43:07.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: Have you sent it to, uh, to voicemail?
[43:08.030 --> 43:08.870]  [SPEAKER_14]: As soon as it rings.
[43:10.170 --> 43:10.490]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[43:13.550 --> 43:14.110]  [SPEAKER_15]: There you go.
[43:14.420 --> 43:15.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: We didn't get to hear Mary had a little lamb.
[43:16.050 --> 43:17.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: No, I stopped it in his tracks.
[43:17.360 --> 43:17.710]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[43:18.550 --> 43:20.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now, is there a certain key we can hit right away?
[43:20.130 --> 43:22.520]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, I actually say it, I believe.
[43:22.650 --> 43:22.730]  [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, this is Mark.
[43:22.900 --> 43:23.920]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not around at the moment.
[43:24.170 --> 43:25.730]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, please leave me a message.
[43:26.050 --> 43:37.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: If this message is urgent, please press the number 5 after the message, or you can page me by pressing the number 1, or you can send me a fax by pressing the number 8.
[43:37.440 --> 43:37.780]  [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[43:37.780 --> 43:38.090]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[43:38.780 --> 43:41.000]  [SPEAKER_18]: Press start on your fax machine now.
[43:41.900 --> 43:42.340]  [SPEAKER_02]: Start.
[43:42.920 --> 43:43.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh.
[43:44.460 --> 43:44.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: Fax.
[43:47.860 --> 43:49.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now, that doesn't actually come out of your phone.
[43:49.780 --> 43:49.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: No.
[43:50.000 --> 43:51.220]  [SPEAKER_14]: How do you get the fax?
[43:51.420 --> 43:53.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: It, uh, actually gets stored.
[43:53.540 --> 43:53.700]  [SPEAKER_15]: All right.
[43:53.780 --> 43:54.000]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's enough.
[43:54.280 --> 43:54.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Go away.
[43:54.860 --> 43:55.080]  [SPEAKER_15]: Sorry.
[43:55.380 --> 44:13.560]  [SPEAKER_15]: There are a, uh, a bank of, uh, fax modems at the service provider, Omnipoint, and, uh, the faxes get stored there, and, uh, I can go into voicemail and give it a number to deliver all my stored up faxes to on the spot, or, uh, I can give it a number to periodically try to deliver the faxes.
[44:13.780 --> 44:15.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: Do you have to do this from your phone, or can you do it from any phone?
[44:16.040 --> 44:18.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: You can do it from anywhere you can access your voicemail system from.
[44:18.560 --> 44:22.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, how, you, you need the voicemail password, I guess, to, to get in.
[44:22.320 --> 44:23.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: And once you're in there, you can retrieve the faxes.
[44:24.200 --> 44:24.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[44:24.600 --> 44:28.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, yet another thing you can do when hacking a voicemail system is get people's faxes now.
[44:28.500 --> 44:28.800]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[44:28.940 --> 44:30.600]  [SPEAKER_15]: Just tell it where to deliver the faxes to.
[44:30.800 --> 44:33.640]  [SPEAKER_15]: Obviously, you have to have access to either a fax modem or a fax machine.
[44:33.740 --> 44:33.900]  [SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[44:34.100 --> 44:34.920]  [SPEAKER_15]: To tell them where to go.
[44:35.040 --> 44:35.180]  [SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[44:35.180 --> 44:35.200]  [SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[44:35.260 --> 44:35.820]  [SPEAKER_15]: Get many faxes?
[44:36.260 --> 44:36.820]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, never.
[44:37.060 --> 44:38.380]  [SPEAKER_15]: How do you know you got a fax?
[44:38.540 --> 44:39.220]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh, it'll say.
[44:39.440 --> 44:40.080]  [SPEAKER_15]: It'll say where?
[44:40.240 --> 44:41.820]  [SPEAKER_15]: It'll say you have one new fax.
[44:42.300 --> 44:43.620]  [SPEAKER_15]: And will it tell you how to get it?
[44:44.320 --> 44:48.820]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, well, provided you know how to navigate the menus, I don't think you need to know how to do that.
[44:48.900 --> 44:50.160]  [SPEAKER_15]: That voicemail system's kind of neat.
[44:50.320 --> 44:50.660]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, it is.
[44:50.680 --> 44:52.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: There's all kinds of wacky things in there.
[44:52.960 --> 44:54.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, second one, a phone call.
[44:54.080 --> 44:54.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: Good evening.
[44:54.540 --> 44:55.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're on Off the Hook.
[44:55.880 --> 45:00.480]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hi, um, I had a question about this thing I got, I received in the mail a week ago.
[45:01.080 --> 45:11.580]  [SPEAKER_04]: It was a box that said, uh, that they would, uh, if you put it at the end of your phone, it would root your, uh, calls to the cheapest, uh, long-distance provider.
[45:11.820 --> 45:14.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think this is something, uh, Bernie Esso was talking about a few weeks ago.
[45:15.160 --> 45:19.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, an actual, uh, hardware device that you plug into, uh, your phone line.
[45:19.240 --> 45:19.520]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[45:19.520 --> 45:22.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: And it calculates what the cheapest route is at a particular time.
[45:23.120 --> 45:23.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Phone miser.
[45:23.800 --> 45:24.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, phone miser.
[45:24.540 --> 45:24.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's it.
[45:25.260 --> 45:25.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh.
[45:25.620 --> 45:26.420]  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, is that what it's called?
[45:26.680 --> 45:27.320]  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[45:27.400 --> 45:28.340]  [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't say I called it.
[45:28.340 --> 45:31.200]  [SPEAKER_04]: It sounded like some guy running this, uh, business out of his house.
[45:31.400 --> 45:31.620]  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
[45:32.020 --> 45:33.160]  [SPEAKER_04]: And I just was wondering...
[45:33.160 --> 45:35.400]  [SPEAKER_14]: Many fine businesses are run out of people's homes.
[45:35.600 --> 45:37.660]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I was just wondering how it works, things like that.
[45:37.660 --> 45:38.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm going to point that out right now.
[45:40.000 --> 45:42.320]  [SPEAKER_14]: Um, well, you know, it's, how much was it going for?
[45:42.880 --> 45:48.260]  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh, it didn't say, I think it was, I think it was something near, like, $200 or something like that.
[45:48.360 --> 45:49.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: That sounds a bit much.
[45:49.200 --> 45:50.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: I thought it was more like $50.
[45:50.760 --> 45:51.740]  [SPEAKER_04]: And he, but...
[45:51.740 --> 45:58.240]  [SPEAKER_04]: He said it would save you money only if you, uh, called more than, like, $300 a month worth of long-distance calls.
[45:58.340 --> 45:58.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: Really?
[45:59.060 --> 45:59.340]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[45:59.660 --> 46:04.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: You can probably start saving well below that if you, if you, you know, know what you're doing as far as making phone calls.
[46:05.120 --> 46:11.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't know if you need a little box to tell you that, or if you can just, uh, you know, find out what the cheapest, uh, companies are.
[46:11.800 --> 46:12.040]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[46:12.320 --> 46:14.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, this is something that might be good for businesses.
[46:14.200 --> 46:15.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't know if it's really going to be good for people.
[46:15.820 --> 46:16.540]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what he said.
[46:16.540 --> 46:19.740]  [SPEAKER_04]: If your phone bill wasn't over $300 a month, it's not going to save you much.
[46:19.940 --> 46:20.160]  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
[46:21.520 --> 46:23.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, well, uh, you know, keep investigating.
[46:23.640 --> 46:24.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: Let us know what you find out.
[46:24.540 --> 46:25.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right, thanks a lot.
[46:25.260 --> 46:25.680]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right, take care.
[46:26.880 --> 46:28.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: Good evening, you're on Off the Hook.
[46:29.000 --> 46:29.360]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hello.
[46:29.720 --> 46:30.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: How you doing?
[46:30.320 --> 46:30.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[46:31.540 --> 46:32.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm surprised I got through.
[46:32.860 --> 46:34.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: Where are you calling from?
[46:34.440 --> 46:36.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, heck, I'm just in Brooklyn.
[46:36.340 --> 46:38.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, did your voice just, like, change radically?
[46:38.400 --> 46:38.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, yes.
[46:39.080 --> 46:39.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[46:39.820 --> 46:41.920]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right, well, that's just great.
[46:42.020 --> 46:42.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, what's on your mind?
[46:43.220 --> 46:43.920]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, someone...
[46:43.920 --> 46:44.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: Wacking people from Brooklyn.
[46:44.500 --> 46:45.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, okay.
[46:46.000 --> 47:04.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: Someone sent me an email, um, one of my online buddies, uh, having to do with, um, the, uh, FCC charging Internet customers, um, per minute, or sort of instituting, you know, or phone companies instituting, uh, a charge per minute to be online.
[47:04.520 --> 47:06.720]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, is that, like, true?
[47:06.940 --> 47:07.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, is this the...
[47:07.520 --> 47:08.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: This thing's rearing its head again?
[47:09.160 --> 47:09.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[47:09.880 --> 47:15.560]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, there's something that said, uh, respond to some email, um, an FCC address.
[47:15.560 --> 47:18.700]  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, what is it, ipcatfcc.gov.
[47:18.840 --> 47:20.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, someone started this...
[47:20.220 --> 47:21.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: By February, someone, something.
[47:21.020 --> 47:23.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: Someone started this, like, 50 years ago or something.
[47:23.720 --> 47:23.760]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, okay.
[47:23.760 --> 47:26.220]  [SPEAKER_14]: And it's been, it's been bouncing around the net ever since.
[47:26.420 --> 47:26.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[47:27.060 --> 47:28.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: Um, there is no such thing.
[47:29.160 --> 47:30.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: If there was, we would hear about it.
[47:31.080 --> 47:31.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: We would know.
[47:31.580 --> 47:34.920]  [SPEAKER_14]: We would have a specific, you know, docket number or whatever to, to pass on.
[47:35.100 --> 47:35.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, great.
[47:36.080 --> 47:38.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, and, uh, you know, I'm not saying it's beyond the realm of possibility.
[47:39.220 --> 47:39.400]  [SPEAKER_07]: Mm-hmm.
[47:39.500 --> 47:48.280]  [SPEAKER_14]: Certainly, you know, the FCC has come up with some amazing things, uh, that I, I can't understand how they ever figured out, you know, that, that people would want to pay, you know, for, for things like 800 numbers.
[47:48.560 --> 47:51.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, so if it does happen, we'll, of course, you know, talk about it specifically.
[47:51.920 --> 47:54.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: We won't just say, you know, send a petition saying don't do this.
[47:54.760 --> 47:57.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: I thought perhaps I missed that broadcast or something.
[47:57.220 --> 47:57.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[47:57.700 --> 47:58.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, okay, great.
[47:58.660 --> 47:59.020]  [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.
[47:59.380 --> 47:59.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: Bye.
[47:59.640 --> 48:00.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Glad we could, uh, reassure you there.
[48:01.520 --> 48:03.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: How many times have you gotten that piece of mail?
[48:03.220 --> 48:05.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, uh, about a hundred.
[48:05.400 --> 48:08.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: More than the kid that, uh, wants a last wish of you sending him emails.
[48:08.680 --> 48:10.280]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, yeah, the last wish kid.
[48:10.460 --> 48:10.780]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[48:11.320 --> 48:11.780]  [SPEAKER_15]: What else?
[48:11.880 --> 48:12.720]  [SPEAKER_15]: What are some other good ones?
[48:12.860 --> 48:13.640]  [SPEAKER_15]: There's, uh...
[48:13.640 --> 48:16.160]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, forward this message on to ten of your friends.
[48:16.200 --> 48:16.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know what I'm sick of?
[48:17.000 --> 48:18.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: The, the public radio one.
[48:18.200 --> 48:18.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: Have you gotten that one?
[48:18.860 --> 48:19.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: No.
[48:19.200 --> 48:20.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's the latest spam.
[48:20.340 --> 48:29.820]  [SPEAKER_14]: Save public radio by creating this huge, massive petition and sending it through the email and, you know, and clogging everybody's mail down and, ah, I've gotten that about 50 times.
[48:30.020 --> 48:30.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[48:31.040 --> 48:33.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, so, uh, yeah, there's a, there's a bunch.
[48:33.620 --> 48:34.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: And chain letters, of course.
[48:34.960 --> 48:35.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: Of course, yeah.
[48:36.120 --> 48:37.500]  [SPEAKER_14]: Pass this on for good luck.
[48:37.800 --> 48:37.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[48:37.840 --> 48:38.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: Otherwise, you'll die.
[48:40.780 --> 48:41.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: Good evening.
[48:41.600 --> 48:42.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're on the air.
[48:42.860 --> 48:43.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: Hello?
[48:43.460 --> 48:43.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, speak up.
[48:45.080 --> 48:47.360]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, uh, this is off the hook.
[48:47.560 --> 48:48.340]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, where are you calling from?
[48:48.780 --> 48:50.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: Calling from Stillwater, Oklahoma.
[48:50.760 --> 48:51.160]  [SPEAKER_06]: Really?
[48:51.480 --> 48:53.220]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is, uh, digitally, Ebola.
[48:54.260 --> 48:55.540]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, if you'll say so.
[48:56.300 --> 48:56.960]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, well, yeah.
[48:57.180 --> 48:58.480]  [SPEAKER_06]: What, what part of Oklahoma are you?
[48:58.820 --> 48:59.220]  [SPEAKER_06]: Stillwater.
[48:59.580 --> 48:59.980]  [SPEAKER_06]: Stillwater.
[49:00.600 --> 49:01.400]  [SPEAKER_06]: Homo OSU.
[49:01.700 --> 49:02.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[49:02.820 --> 49:07.800]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, you want to turn down your computer there because, uh, we're getting some delay and it'll be confusing to everybody.
[49:08.360 --> 49:09.560]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, Oklahoma, huh?
[49:09.680 --> 49:10.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, running real audio.
[49:10.840 --> 49:11.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Home of Hanson.
[49:12.400 --> 49:13.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, don't mention that.
[49:14.020 --> 49:14.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, okay.
[49:16.080 --> 49:19.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: Just wanted to make sure we were on the same, uh, same, you know.
[49:19.440 --> 49:19.880]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[49:20.020 --> 49:21.760]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm about an hour away from health.
[49:22.200 --> 49:23.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't want to deal with Hanson.
[49:23.580 --> 49:24.360]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, all right.
[49:25.160 --> 49:28.460]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, so, um, uh, what's, what's going on in Oklahoma these days?
[49:29.140 --> 49:32.340]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, well, nothing much, uh, just the computer business.
[49:32.860 --> 49:33.200]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[49:33.740 --> 49:34.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: The computer business.
[49:34.940 --> 49:41.220]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, just, uh, uh, you know, uh, hanging out, uh, I run a computer repair facility except I'm digital Ebola.
[49:41.220 --> 49:43.220]  [SPEAKER_06]: I also run DownNet's hack.
[49:43.560 --> 49:44.580]  [SPEAKER_06]: I won't say hi to Napa.
[49:44.780 --> 49:45.700]  [SPEAKER_06]: He's been bugging me.
[49:45.960 --> 49:46.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[49:46.200 --> 49:47.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: You run the hack channel.
[49:47.560 --> 49:50.240]  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't run it, but, uh, most of my friends do.
[49:50.700 --> 49:50.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[49:51.340 --> 49:51.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: On DownNet.
[49:52.040 --> 49:54.780]  [SPEAKER_14]: Now, DownNet is another, you know, is FNet, is DownNet?
[49:55.080 --> 49:56.740]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, DownNet's not FNet.
[49:57.060 --> 49:57.460]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right.
[49:57.460 --> 49:57.920]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right, right, right now.
[49:57.980 --> 50:02.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm just pointing that out, that it's a different, it's a different net on the whole IRC scheme of things.
[50:03.160 --> 50:06.120]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, yeah, it's a pretty cool, pretty cool network.
[50:06.360 --> 50:08.020]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, uh, we've got Niv Freak.
[50:08.120 --> 50:08.720]  [SPEAKER_06]: He's our founder.
[50:09.120 --> 50:09.140]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh-huh.
[50:09.140 --> 50:09.960]  [SPEAKER_06]: He's pretty cool at Linux.
[50:10.260 --> 50:11.140]  [SPEAKER_06]: And we got Napa.
[50:11.340 --> 50:12.220]  [SPEAKER_06]: He just hangs out.
[50:12.380 --> 50:12.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[50:12.660 --> 50:13.580]  [SPEAKER_06]: We got Alien Eye.
[50:14.120 --> 50:17.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, well, apart from naming everybody, do you have, do you have a question for us?
[50:17.780 --> 50:24.600]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, um, I was, uh, thinking, you know, you mentioned the DTMF, uh, tones earlier today.
[50:24.860 --> 50:25.100]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yes.
[50:25.100 --> 50:33.020]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, uh, you know, it wouldn't be that hard if, uh, manufacturers of, uh, phones, uh, Southwestern Bell would, would wise up.
[50:33.460 --> 50:36.460]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, uh, you could put the A through D tones in.
[50:36.660 --> 50:36.800]  [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.
[50:36.800 --> 50:37.580]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's really easy.
[50:37.860 --> 50:38.140]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[50:38.240 --> 50:40.040]  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they put them in on two-meter ham radios.
[50:40.280 --> 50:42.240]  [SPEAKER_14]: Every phone is capable of doing that.
[50:42.520 --> 50:42.880]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[50:43.240 --> 50:45.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, it's, it's not a, it's not a difficult thing at all.
[50:45.500 --> 50:47.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: Question is, what would those tones be used for?
[50:47.960 --> 50:52.380]  [SPEAKER_14]: Maybe we can come up with something on this show, some imaginative use for those four extra tones.
[50:52.900 --> 50:54.820]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah, you can use those, uh, well.
[50:55.460 --> 51:01.360]  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, in a, uh, a little bit more illegitimate scheme of things, you can use those tones to your advantage, or used to.
[51:01.500 --> 51:02.280]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's getting any more.
[51:02.380 --> 51:03.540]  [SPEAKER_06]: You can't do anything like that.
[51:03.860 --> 51:03.880]  [SPEAKER_17]: Uh-huh.
[51:04.060 --> 51:09.600]  [SPEAKER_06]: I used to be, uh, I mean, avid red, red boxer, and now that's pretty well, around here, it's pretty well stopped.
[51:09.780 --> 51:09.920]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[51:09.920 --> 51:14.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, that kind of thing won't wash with the phone, the phone companies aren't going to say, oh, this will make red boxing easier or anything like that.
[51:14.960 --> 51:29.560]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but it would make, it would make the, uh, phone number scheme of things a lot easier, because we're, uh, we used to be a, uh, two, uh, area code state, and now we're getting a third area code, it's like, I don't know, I can't remember, 518 or something.
[51:29.900 --> 51:34.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: No, it can't be that, because it's got a one in the middle, but, uh, it's something that you won't be able to remember, that's for sure.
[51:34.260 --> 51:44.460]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's going to be, uh, something terrible, but, yeah, the, uh, if they would, uh, upgrade the phone system to where you had the, uh, extra four tones, and they're already in the DMF keypad, I mean, lots of radios and stuff, use them.
[51:44.740 --> 51:44.900]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[51:45.680 --> 51:47.680]  [SPEAKER_14]: That would be, uh, that would be interesting.
[51:47.900 --> 51:49.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm sure there's all kinds of things.
[51:49.340 --> 51:54.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: Some answering machines, actually, uh, I believe use ABCD as security codes.
[51:54.320 --> 51:57.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, some voicemail systems, try entering some ABCDs in there.
[51:57.860 --> 52:02.300]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, there's, there's, there's a, definitely a lot of exploits for the ABCD tones.
[52:02.440 --> 52:04.100]  [SPEAKER_06]: This is probably the, one reason they don't.
[52:04.260 --> 52:04.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[52:05.720 --> 52:14.660]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, no doubt about that, but, uh, also, um, I was wanting to know, um, why is there so much talk about cell phones on 2600?
[52:14.800 --> 52:17.820]  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there's really nothing intellectual about it.
[52:17.840 --> 52:21.700]  [SPEAKER_06]: I had a cell phone, it coughed me out the wazoo, and I got disconnected, and I still...
[52:21.700 --> 52:25.420]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, what we're talking about here, I'm not sure what you mean by on 2600, but, uh, we're...
[52:25.420 --> 52:26.220]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, off the hook.
[52:26.340 --> 52:32.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: On this, on this program, we're talking about, uh, PCS phones, which is the next step beyond cellular phones.
[52:32.240 --> 52:33.480]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but they're still really costly.
[52:33.480 --> 52:41.180]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, I don't know, you know, uh, uh, uh, the, the latest ones have come down tremendously, uh, the, the, the Sprint PCS is, seems to be really cheap.
[52:41.180 --> 52:49.580]  [SPEAKER_14]: I've talked to a lot of people who have used that, and, uh, I don't think anybody's been charged for a phone call yet, because, you know, you get a certain type of, of service plan.
[52:49.580 --> 52:58.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: You get 800 minutes for, for $80, or 600 minutes for $60, or something like that, and you get this huge bill, but every single call on it says, free.
[52:58.200 --> 53:01.120]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, it doesn't cost anything, because it's covered by the minutes.
[53:01.420 --> 53:03.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Long distance can be covered, incoming calls can be covered.
[53:04.000 --> 53:05.260]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, it's getting to the point.
[53:05.340 --> 53:10.020]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's not there yet, but it's getting to the point where it's, it's almost cheap enough for everybody to use.
[53:10.340 --> 53:18.160]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, I tell you what really bugs me is, the way the cell phones, you go out of an area, someone calls you, it comes up on your bill that you call yourself.
[53:18.480 --> 53:18.620]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[53:18.680 --> 53:29.700]  [SPEAKER_06]: That's what bugs me, and I mean, I, like I said, I had a cell phone for six months, and, you know, they said, they called a follow me call, and I didn't even know what the number was, because I couldn't remember my own phone number for the life of me anyway,
[53:29.840 --> 53:33.800]  [SPEAKER_14]: but, follow So, you called it, trying to track it down, and you wound up calling yourself.
[53:34.000 --> 53:34.260]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[53:34.420 --> 53:34.560]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[53:35.000 --> 53:41.020]  [SPEAKER_06]: I got in a big fight with the cell phone people over that, but, yeah, the cell phones, you know, I don't know.
[53:44.180 --> 53:46.320]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's just a real, just a real big deal.
[53:46.540 --> 53:47.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, well, I mean, that's obviously one of the things.
[53:48.140 --> 53:56.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: Again, Sprint PCS seems to be tackling that in that they have this, this deal where you can pay for, I think it's called free roaming or something.
[53:56.760 --> 54:02.220]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're in a city that they're covered, that they're covered by, and you get a phone call there, there's no roaming.
[54:03.360 --> 54:07.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, you know, it, they're, they're hearing what you're saying.
[54:07.020 --> 54:08.620]  [SPEAKER_14]: You just have to keep complaining about it.
[54:09.600 --> 54:19.260]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's, uh, cell phones are some wacky, wacky stuff, but, oh, and get off this thing, I, uh, oh, also Surgeon and Napa, it was, and, uh, let's see, who am I?
[54:19.380 --> 54:19.860]  [SPEAKER_06]: Friggin' Phoenix.
[54:20.080 --> 54:21.040]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay, all right, all right.
[54:21.360 --> 54:21.680]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[54:22.040 --> 54:24.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: Thanks, thanks for all the shout-outs there, but, uh, we, we gotta move on.
[54:25.300 --> 54:25.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, boy.
[54:26.820 --> 54:28.100]  [SPEAKER_14]: Any, any comments there, Fiber?
[54:28.340 --> 54:29.520]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, that's a lot of names.
[54:29.520 --> 54:30.220]  [SPEAKER_15]: There's a lot of names.
[54:30.480 --> 54:30.620]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[54:31.200 --> 54:33.240]  [SPEAKER_14]: I meant on the, on the cellular issue, though.
[54:33.460 --> 54:33.920]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, um.
[54:33.920 --> 54:36.340]  [SPEAKER_14]: Getting to a point where it's gonna be a lot more affordable?
[54:36.500 --> 54:44.660]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, I think it's, uh, I haven't met anyone yet who, uh, if I tell them what, uh, what Sprint PCS's rates are, say that they can't afford it.
[54:44.860 --> 54:45.060]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[54:46.160 --> 54:50.400]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I guess, you know, when you have a phone company attached to you, that, uh, sort of makes it a lot easier.
[54:50.740 --> 54:50.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[54:51.060 --> 54:52.160]  [SPEAKER_14]: But where are all the other phone companies?
[54:52.220 --> 54:52.880]  [SPEAKER_14]: Where's MCI?
[54:52.980 --> 54:53.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: Where's AT&T?
[54:54.360 --> 54:58.620]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, AT&T, uh, I think they, uh, dropped the ball.
[54:58.620 --> 54:59.080]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[54:59.480 --> 54:59.500]  Yeah.
[54:59.880 --> 54:59.880]  Yeah.
[54:59.880 --> 55:00.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think they threw the ball down.
[55:01.140 --> 55:01.820]  [SPEAKER_14]: Good evening.
[55:01.960 --> 55:02.440]  [SPEAKER_14]: You're on the air.
[55:03.680 --> 55:04.120]  Hello.
[55:04.120 --> 55:04.760]  [SPEAKER_14]: How you doing?
[55:04.940 --> 55:05.180]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[55:05.280 --> 55:06.240]  [SPEAKER_03]: I enjoy your program.
[55:06.600 --> 55:09.260]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I have a, uh, a quick question.
[55:09.260 --> 55:16.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Up until about a month ago, I was able to make some, uh, good illegal phone calls through a hotel in Manhattan.
[55:16.840 --> 55:25.060]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, just until recently, I was able to third-party calls through this number and the operator, uh... You know you've got the whole town looking for you?
[55:25.380 --> 55:26.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's quite all right.
[55:26.720 --> 55:31.560]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm on a, uh, a cordless phone, too, which makes it better, because they could scan that, I'm sure.
[55:31.560 --> 55:35.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a very old 26, uh, uh, 46, rather, phone.
[55:35.440 --> 55:47.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, regardless, the, the hotel that I, that I, I was going through had a, uh, third-party, uh, where you would be able to make the third-party call, and it would just route it through for you as a recording.
[55:47.500 --> 55:50.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: In other words, there was no live operator involved.
[55:50.260 --> 55:50.420]  [SPEAKER_17]: Okay.
[55:50.560 --> 55:58.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Then they changed that scheme over to where you would have to speak the, uh, you'd have to say the word third-number.
[55:58.720 --> 56:00.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're familiar with that through AT&T?
[56:00.520 --> 56:00.720]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[56:01.200 --> 56:08.000]  [SPEAKER_14]: Basically, AT&T now has a system where you say collect operator third-number or fraudulent call, depending on what it is you want to do.
[56:08.720 --> 56:09.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[56:09.520 --> 56:11.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they've changed that scheme over to third-number.
[56:11.880 --> 56:15.300]  [SPEAKER_03]: So then I, I was calling up and I was saying third-number all the time.
[56:15.300 --> 56:17.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: And every time I would get through, it would be perfect.
[56:18.120 --> 56:21.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, what they have done is they blocked the entire thing.
[56:21.960 --> 56:26.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you say third-number, it immediately goes to a live operator.
[56:26.420 --> 56:33.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: So when I got through to the live operator, I would go and tell the operator that I wanted to bill it to my room number.
[56:33.580 --> 56:33.820]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[56:33.820 --> 56:37.460]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I would make up a room number, such as 356 or something like that.
[56:37.520 --> 56:38.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: Because she thought you were calling from a hotel.
[56:38.840 --> 56:39.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[56:39.780 --> 56:40.680]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, here's the thing.
[56:40.900 --> 56:49.340]  [SPEAKER_03]: I, I can still make the calls, but what they do now is 10 minutes after I make the phone call, they call the people back that I've called.
[56:49.900 --> 56:53.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they tell these people, who have you been speaking to from New York City?
[56:53.940 --> 56:56.740]  [SPEAKER_14]: So some flag must have been thrown someplace saying that this...
[56:56.740 --> 56:59.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: I was wondering exactly how I could get around this.
[57:00.040 --> 57:04.700]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, well, you could look for another, another hobby, I suppose, is one, one thing.
[57:05.300 --> 57:05.620]  Uh...
[57:05.620 --> 57:08.780]  [SPEAKER_03]: But I don't want to spend too much on my long-distance calls, that's the thing.
[57:10.060 --> 57:11.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, no, it's not rebel.
[57:11.600 --> 57:15.280]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, Farber, do you have any, any helpful hints here?
[57:15.400 --> 57:16.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, he could get a job.
[57:16.760 --> 57:17.600]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, I don't know, I don't know.
[57:17.640 --> 57:20.840]  [SPEAKER_14]: You don't want to be rude here, but, uh, there's got to be like, uh...
[57:20.840 --> 57:22.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, I just want to figure out what it is that's happening.
[57:22.540 --> 57:24.060]  [SPEAKER_14]: How do they know, like, so quickly?
[57:24.400 --> 57:25.480]  [SPEAKER_14]: What, what, what's going on?
[57:25.520 --> 57:30.800]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, if somebody's billing, uh, third-party numbers, uh, from the same place repeatedly...
[57:30.800 --> 57:32.520]  [SPEAKER_14]: Ten minutes after the phone call is over.
[57:32.520 --> 57:41.700]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, yeah, if there's enough fraud from any given place repeatedly for a long enough period of time, they're certainly going to give those calls in the very near future special treatment.
[57:41.860 --> 57:45.080]  [SPEAKER_15]: Do you think they're actually monitoring it as it's happening and not just ten minutes after?
[57:45.620 --> 58:01.800]  [SPEAKER_15]: I think that, uh, that at this point in time, since, uh, since the fraudulent calls have been going on for so long from that specific place, uh-huh, that, uh, that it, that it's, um, caused the phone company to give whatever, uh, phone numbers those payphones are special treatment.
[58:01.800 --> 58:02.640]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, yeah.
[58:02.640 --> 58:06.680]  [SPEAKER_15]: And, uh, it's probably, uh, being, being flagged and recorded somewhere.
[58:06.940 --> 58:08.300]  [SPEAKER_15]: The hotel in, in, in specific.
[58:08.540 --> 58:09.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: Anyway, thanks for that call.
[58:09.380 --> 58:09.980]  [SPEAKER_14]: We're out of time.
[58:10.080 --> 58:12.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: And, you know, I don't know when we're going to be back because we're not on next week.
[58:12.960 --> 58:15.400]  [SPEAKER_14]: I just found out through a third-party we're not on next week.
[58:15.660 --> 58:19.220]  [SPEAKER_14]: And I don't know if we're on the week after that or the week after that because it's a marathon coming up.
[58:19.220 --> 58:24.140]  [SPEAKER_14]: So, uh, I, I would say tune in at a certain time if I could, but I can't because I don't know.
[58:24.380 --> 58:35.300]  [SPEAKER_14]: So the best thing for people to do, I guess, is to check the webpage, www.2600.com, and, um, and, uh, we'll, uh, have updates there as far as, uh, as far as when we'll be on next.
[58:35.480 --> 58:40.960]  [SPEAKER_14]: We won't be on next week, so, um, we'll see you at the least in two weeks, maybe, maybe longer.
[58:41.280 --> 58:44.940]  [SPEAKER_14]: Tell that to Emmanuel Goldstein for Phiber Optik and everybody else, have yourselves a good night.
[58:45.220 --> 58:45.520]  [SPEAKER_14]: Take care.