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Emmanuel Goldstein here with you.
And Phil, you're over on the other mic, right?
Hi.
Okay, Greg.
I got the right mic this time.
So it's been a busy week.
Had the cops called on us twice, I think, this week.
And I guess that's going to be the theme of the next few weeks and months.
It's only Tuesday.
It's only Tuesday, yeah.
And it's been fun so far.
We have updates on the Takedown movie that we're, of course, protesting.
We have a demonstration coming up this Thursday, which we'll be giving information about,
as well as some other interesting things involving telecommunications, the MetroCard,
and all kinds of other things.
Stay tuned.
Thank you.
I bet you didn't think I could find another happy polka song, but I actually tracked one
down, so we have no end of supplies of songs like that. A couple of things before we get
into the Takedown movie and where that stands. I got this piece of mail from Omnipoint. We
play around with different phone services, Omnipoint being one of them. Omnipoint is the
exclusive GSM provider in the New York metropolitan area, and they're advertising something which
I think they must be crazy to be doing this. They must be out of their minds because this
is just something that is so bad. It's called Power On, I think is how you would read that,
because it's the word power with an on button as the O. So it's either on power or power
on. I wonder what this guy is saying. I don't know. So anyway, it's a new service that they're
offering. And when I tell you this service, you're going to wonder how stupid these people
are. Dear valued Omnipoint customer, I am pleased to introduce Power On. It is Power
On. Your source for exclusive rewards. Every time I hear the word exclusive rewards, I feel
sick, you know, because it just means you're going to be plagued with some promotional contest
that there's never any winner, certainly nobody on this planet, and it's a big waste of time
for everybody else. With Power On, your Omnipoint handset becomes even more powerful, because it's
your connection to great prizes to win, plus rewards like discounts and other unique privileges.
Unique privileges like discounts, things like that. Very simply, by keeping your handset on,
you'll have a chance to win daily and monthly prizes ranging in value from free service charges
to soon the new Beetle from Volkswagen. And you'll get exclusive offers like the opportunity to purchase
discounted tickets to sold out concerts, sporting events, and Broadway shows. As an active Omnipoint
subscriber, you are automatically enrolled in Power On and are eligible for all the privileges and
services the program will provide. Okay, I see the anticipation here. To take advantage of these great
opportunities, all you have to do is keep your power on. So you'll get the messages alerting you
to these exciting offers and prizes. That's right, if you keep your Omnipoint phone on, you'll get all
kinds of junk mail. You'll get all kinds of offers to like enter contests and waste your time. All you
have to do is keep your phone on, and you'll be deluged with them. Isn't that a great idea? Isn't that
what people want? What are these people on? What drugs are they smoking? I mean, people don't want
junk mail on their phones. People don't want the phone to constantly beeping with annoying offers and
prizes and crap like that. So anyway, they totally like twist it around. There's never a cost to you.
Can you imagine if they charge you for this? Power On is Omnipoint's way of saying thank you to all of our
loyal customers. I think it's close to thank you what they're saying to their customers, but not exactly.
It's really, I don't know what they're thinking. Plus, you don't have to worry about draining your
battery while keeping posted on what's new with power on. Unlike cellular, the technology of your
PCS handset gives you extended use without the need to continually recharge the battery. Does that make
any sense? You're going to use your battery if you keep it on all the time, but they say, no, don't worry
because PCS handsets give you extended use without the need to continually recharge the battery.
It's, it's, it's, I mean, these people should be working in totalitarian countries writing revisionist
history. I mean, what is your choice to keep it off and not get phone calls? Yeah. If you, if you
turn it off to avoid all this junk that they're going to be sending your way, then you won't get
any phone calls, right? If you turn it on, you'll get all the junk and have the opportunity to enter all
these amazing contests and things, but you won't use up your battery because PCS phones get more
battery life. That's what they, that's what they're trying to say. Omnipoint is proud of its reputation as the
digital personal communications pioneer. As one of our loyal subscribers, you've played an important
role in our growth into one of the nation's leading personal communications companies. Now
to show our appreciation and loyalty to you, we're proud to introduce this unique power on program.
Boy, I, I, I don't know how to thank them. Remember, keep your handset with you and your power on for
big opportunities from Omnipoint. Did you get any of these messages yet? Not yet. Not yet. Are you going to
enter? I don't, you don't have a choice. You entered if you have your handset on. I wonder what they're
going to do. Like press one. I'll tell you this. The first one that comes in, I'm, I'm turning my
phone right off. Okay. You start sending me junk mail on my phone. The phone is going off and that's
just the way it's going to be. I mean, what are these people thinking? I don't know. I don't know
what's wrong with them. So anyway, that's, that's the story with Omnipoint this week. If anybody's
had any other dealings with them, uh, just let us know. Uh, MetroCard. We had more fun with the MetroCard
this, uh, this week. Uh, as you know, the new unlimited MetroCard, uh, deals, the weekly and
the monthly, I don't know where the daily is. I've heard conflicting reports that the daily
pass, which is available for $4 is only being given to hotels. I heard somebody else say it's
not going to be available till the fall, whatever it is. It really should be available now. Like
they promised, uh, back in December when Pataki made this big deal of announcing it. Cause I think
that's what people really need. You know, you don't know what you're gonna be doing for a whole
week, but you do know if you're going to take more than three subway rides in a day,
generally or bus rides. So, um, the thing with the weeklies and the monthlies though,
is that you can let people in on your way out. And the reason for that is because they
expire after 18 minutes. Uh, you, you swipe it through once, it lets you in 18 minutes
later, it'll work again. So if you swipe yourself in and stand around for 18 minutes, you can let
another person into the same station or more commonly, if you take a ride someplace and more
than 18 minutes passes, you can simply on your way out, swipe again, and a total stranger
will be let in. Now we've been doing this around the city and I guess we've gotten
sort of reputation as like the Robin Hoods of the subway or something like that because
people say, look, there they are again. And then, you know, we've gotten the capes and
all that kind of thing. Um, but basically a lot of people react in funny ways when you
try to give them something for free. Uh, we had one guy walk all the way up and, and examine
the turnstile and see that it in fact said go and that it was a free ride and we weren't
asking for any money. We just, you know, wanted to go through and enjoy his ride. And he
just, you know, looked at it really closely and then without a word just turned around
and walked back to the turnstile and waited online to buy a token. Uh, so you have
people like that. Uh, you have the people like the, um, the subway turnstile clerk of
last, uh, what was it? Saturday? Probably shouldn't say exactly when it was because
I think they're still looking for us. Uh, we went down there with a couple, a couple
of Metro cards that had, uh, had, you know, value on them and we swiped them and we started
offering, we had a big sign too. It said free ride and a big arrow because, you know, lots
of times, you know, people think you're panhandling or something. So you have to hold up a
big sign that says free ride and a big arrow and that way you don't even say
anything. And so as soon as the subway, uh, turnstile clerk saw that she, she went ballistic.
She started screaming at us from behind her bulletproof glass saying, you know, you can't
do that. I'm calling the police. And she did call the police. She held up the phone. She
held up two phones. The first one broke, I think, when she held it up and, uh, did you
win something? Uh, no, that's my sprint phone. Uh, so basically, uh, she called the cops.
Uh, we let people in and, uh, we wished her a good day, but, uh, she did definitely call
them. I don't know if they ever came, but there's nothing illegal with what we're doing. We just
confused her, you know, and we've gladly explained it, but she wouldn't stop hollering.
But imagine you have a MetroCard with a hundred dollars on it. Are they saying you can't give
those away? You can't give it to other people. You can't say, I'm in a good mood today. I'm
going to let everybody in for free. You know, that's not illegal. And the same thing with
the unlimited pass. It's unlimited. And even say in the brochures, you can lend it to other
people. So, uh, as long as you don't sell it, that's, uh, that's what makes it illegal.
So, uh, that was the fun we had there. Now, getting to the film, which is the important
thing, the film takedown, which, um, is a portrayal of, uh, Kevin Mitnick in a very unflattering
light, uh, based on the book takedown written by Shumura, uh, Tsutomu Shimura and, um, John
Markoff, which came out back in 1996. Yes. Uh, the film we discovered about a month or so
ago, and we've obtained the copy of the script. There's rumors of all kinds of things going
on, on the set right now. We don't know exactly what's happening. We hear that there are changes
in the works. Uh, we hear that there's all kinds of concern over the fact that hackers
are, uh, you know, involved in a protest against Miramax. Wouldn't be surprised if they think
everything that goes wrong on their set is because of us, which, you know, that suits
me fine. It saves us a lot of work, but I don't, it's, it's not true. That's not the
way we operate. And, um, what we're going to be doing is having a demonstration in front
of Miramax later this week. Now, first, uh, a little background as to what happened
over the last week. Uh, we've been trying to get ahold of Skeet Ulrich. Um, Phil, you
know more than anybody how hard that can be. Skeet's missing in action. I mean, he just
doesn't want to talk to us. I heard he was in Kansas actually. Really? Filming some other
movie. Um, I think he's in a film. Uh, I don't know what his current project is. I think
he plays a monk actually. Yeah. He plays a monk or something like that. Yeah. Not a famous
monk or FBI hunted monk or anything, but he plays a monk, I believe. Well, how about
that? Uh, hopefully that monk's reputation is being tarnished like Kevin Mitnick's reputation
is being tarnished by Skeet Ulrich's portrayal of him. Um, so we, um, we've been trying to
get an interview with him so that we could address these issues or find out his opinion
on everything. Uh, you know, phone interview, uh, studio interview, whatever, you know, we're
willing to do whatever is necessary. However, we were informed that he is not available to
do an interview with us and, uh, that's it. You know, no other explanation. Uh, we went down
to, uh, Miramax in New York, which is on Greenwich street. Um, but we just wanted to, uh, to talk
to them, you know, see if anybody there knew something about, uh, about the film or could
talk to us about it. We could express our concerns. And, uh, you know, we sort of thought, and
I guess this was our big mistake. Miramax, you know, they, they distribute that Michael
Moore film called the big one. I mean, I think that's kind of funny that they distribute
that. Um, they, they should have a sense as to, you know, getting things right. The
corporate mentality, you know, the, the power of the individual. So how do you think they
would react if, say, you walked into their building with a camera, you know, they'd welcome
you. They, they ultimately embraced. It must be something like Michael Moore. Yeah. Yeah.
They say, boy, it's about time somebody did this to us because we did it to so many companies
in, in this film. Yeah. You know, boy, this is, this is just desserts coming our way. Well,
of course, that's not what happened. They threatened to call the cops. Uh, well, actually, I don't
know if it was Miramax that threatened to call the cops or the people in the lobby who
were very hostile, but they wouldn't let us talk to anybody in the building. It wouldn't
let us even call upstairs. Uh, and we had to go to a pay phone and call from there and
be transferred all over the place, no less than six or seven transfers. And, uh, basically
I'm supposed to get a call back from them to no call back from them. So we've been trying
to reach them in all different ways. And, um, we actually ran into somebody who heard the
show at a different Miramax office. So people are listening and word is getting out. I'm hearing
from some people down in California that this is causing some concern. So now what we are
going to be doing is this Thursday, uh, well, we had a meeting last week, last, last Friday,
actually, we had the meeting to, um, discuss what we're going to do this week. And a lot
of people, about a dozen or so people showed up and we had all kinds of different ideas
floating around. And what we settled on was this coming Thursday, 1230 PM outside the Miramax
offices, which are at, uh, three, uh, three, three 75, three 75 Greenwich street, third
floor. Okay. We'll be on the street. I don't think we'll make it up to the, no, I don't
think we're going to make it to the third floor. But, um, yeah, it's, um, it's basically
1230 PM. A bunch of us are just going to, uh, you know, show our opinion out there in
the democratic way that people do in this country. Uh, made a bunch of picket signs, made
a nice, really nice looking banner, which I, you know, I know that people are listening
that will be in that area, come out and look at the banner. It's, it's worth it
just for that. You know, the 2600 van will be in attendance. And, uh, if you want to
take part, then all you have to do is show up. 1230 PM outside the, uh, the Miramax
offices, three 75 Greenwich street. And I don't know what subway station is near
there. Um, so maybe somebody, you know, maybe someone will call in or maybe somebody
has a subway map in the studio or somewhere in the vicinity that can run in and hand it
to us. But I'm, I'm sure that, uh, it's accessible somewhere. We, we went by van,
so we don't know exactly how we did that, but yeah, so we walked around and we, you
know, started talking to people in the street and they had all kinds of opinions
about the, you know, the people in the Miramax building. That was interesting in
itself. Um, but we really thought that, you know, it would be possible just to
express our concern, point out a couple of things, say, Hey, you know, Kevin
Mitnick never actually bashed somebody in the head with a garbage can lid. You
know, maybe you guys could sort of check into that a little bit more. Um, but silence,
nothing, nothing yet. So we're open, you know, we're here, we, we do a radio
show. We have email, we have phone numbers. We're waiting for people to get back in
touch with us. Now, failing that, uh, we have the film itself, which will be, uh, in
production over the next couple of weeks, either next week or the week after. I'm
not entirely sure yet when we find out, you will find out. And, uh, the best thing to
do is check the website, which maybe tell the folks something about, first off, uh, if
anybody wants the details, if you want the exact address and more information about the
start to us, just go to www.kevinmitnick.com. That always has current news about what's
going on, especially this Thursday. And, uh, in the second we know the filming, we'll
have the exact address, maps, you know, directions, whatever, to get there. And checking the news
section for this week, you'll notice there's a statement from Kevin. I got the chance to
talk to Kevin over the weekend. And when I talked to Kevin, he's obviously upset about
the script. And he is consulting with several attorneys on what his course of action should
be. And Kevin is planning on filing a multi-million dollar lawsuit against Miramax and Millennium
Films if the motion picture is publicly displayed or distributed. Um, Kevin is claiming, and I
think it's just, that the motion picture is a malicious, a malicious and deliberate attempt
to further damage his reputation through slanderous and libelous depictions of his life story.
And let's see what else is in the news section. Um, the Ninth Circuit upheld Judge Marietta
Feltzer, the one who's been making most of the decisions in this case. Uh, they upheld
the bail motion. And that is depriving Kevin, once again, without bail and without his right
for a bail hearing. And for those interested, uh, this is required by the Bail Reform Act and
the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. At this point, Kevin Mitnick's
attorney is going to make an emergency application to the U.S. Supreme Court and is seeking his
client's conditional release on bail as a remedy to his illegal detention. And that's
it for the news with Kevin with this week. And also, if, uh, folks want to download the
flyer that we have, you can go off the main page off the website and download it right there.
It's a Microsoft Word document. Most people have some incarnation of Microsoft Word. And
you can print it out. And what we're suggesting is, hand it out at movie theaters. And hand
it out at just about any place you want to.
Yeah, that's another thing we're going to be doing is, is, uh, targeting some, uh, some,
some theaters. And actually, uh, talking to people who are going to see films. I have
no idea what Miramax films are. I don't keep track of films that way. I don't know who's
Miramax and who's United Artists and all that kind of thing. I don't pay any attention
to that. But that's not, you know, we're not here to tell people don't see any Miramax
films because then you've got to start thinking of, you know, products, films like products
instead of works of art. We want people to put pressure on Miramax to say this, this
particular project here is wrong, you know? And, and the thing is, a couple of weeks ago,
I didn't know Miramax from, from any other film company. I didn't really think about it.
Now Miramax is getting a bad reputation because they're being known for doing things like this.
And I think that's, that's what needs to be, uh, addressed for the people in the film industry.
Uh, there was some publicity over the past week about Spike Lee,
wanting to do a film about Son of Sam. Uh, that obviously has some concern as well.
People that, uh, don't want those memories dredged up. But, you know, I think this,
this is even worse because while those are unpleasant memories of people, it's still
something that happened. It's still something that's in the public eye. And I don't know
what they're going to be doing with characters. If they, if they actually bring up people's real
names, yeah, maybe that's something that, uh, should be addressed so that people aren't,
uh, you know, dragged through it all again. Uh, in this particular case with the takedown
film, we're talking about real people. Kevin Mattenick is a real person. He's been sitting
in a real prison for three and a half very real years. And it's about time something was done
about that. Now a film coming out that portrays him as even worse than what the federal government
has accused him of being, uh, is not going to do much towards getting him out of that prison.
And it's certainly not going to help, uh, get him a fair trial when that day finally comes
sometime next year. Uh, so, um, those are the issues that we need to, to get across that,
you know, there's an injustice here and you know, there's, there's one heck of a story too,
but no one wants to tell that story. I don't know why. Maybe it's not a feel good type of a thing
where you catch the bad guy when you realize that, uh, who really is the bad guy in the first place.
Anyway, we have these really, uh, neat flyers that, uh, are going to be, uh, handed out at this,
uh, at this protest. And, um, you want to talk about this at all? You want to surprise people?
Well, we can either surprise people. Basically it just says, you know, stop Miramax and it says
in big bold letters and, uh, entitled takedown, the plot to destroy Kevin Mitnick's life. I think
that's just a great line right there. You know, double untunger there, the plot to destroy Kevin
Mitnick's life, you know? Yeah. That's just really, really good. Yeah. And it, you know,
has a brief summary cause it's only a flyer, but it does have all the information if you want to
learn more information. And like I said, go to the website and download these flyers and certainly,
uh, spread them around any place that you have access to. Uh, we're not just limiting it to
New York city. You know, Miramax has offices out in Los Angeles. That's right. Miramax shows
their films in every county, every state, everywhere, all over the place. And I like Miramax films. I
would never boycott them. I'd never say anything bad about them, but I hope they're listening. And
well, this, this film we boycott and say something bad about. Yeah. You know,
if this film were to come out the way it is now, and we're not saying, you know, a film should not
come out. We're just saying the script that, uh, that we have gotten ahold of and, you know,
it's thanks to people on the inside at Miramax who are sympathetic to this, uh, that, you know,
we learned this much. So there are people on our side in very high places, which I think is,
is, is a good thing. But, um, you know, this particular script is very, very wrong. It's doing a
tremendous injustice. It's going to hurt people in a very bad way. And it's not necessary. There's
no reason to do this. There really isn't. Uh, so people seem to understand that people on the net
seem to get that quite easily. I don't understand why it's such a, such a big deal. I mean, yeah,
they, they've invested money in it. They've invested time. They have to, you know, redo certain
things, but I think it's, it's worth the investment, you know, because in the long term, what are people
going to remember? They're going to remember a decent film or they're going to remember all
the controversy that surrounded it, that basically showed that it was a bunch of lies and, you
know, forever tarnished their reputation. So, um, a lot of things to, uh, to, to think about here.
I have some big news and I'm going to, uh, introduce this news with, uh, actually a sound.
Uh-oh.
Yeah. And the sound will be a, sort of a clue as to what's to come. Ready?
Okay. Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah. Do you see what this is?
Yeah.
This is a freak heaven button.
Where did you get that free Kevin button from?
At the free Kevin button store up near me. And everybody who shows up at the demonstration
this Thursday at 12 30 PM outside Miramax headquarters on three 75, three 75, uh, will
get a free Kevin button, a free, free Kevin button. It looks just, people expect to get
a Kevin button when you say a free Kevin button. Yeah. No, a free, at no cost to you, you will
get a button that you can probably wear. And these are really nice buttons. They look kind
like the bumper stickers except they're round. Yeah. So, um, that's, that's kind of neat
too. You also get bumper stickers. You know, we have, we, we just made a whole lot of new
ones. I'll definitely be there then. Went through 5,000 bumper stickers in like a month. Yeah.
They, uh, that's another thing on the website. If you want to check out, there's, we get photos
from people all the time of these free Kevin stickers winding up in a weird spot, strange
spots. Um, we just got one sent in. Someone put one on the, on Miramax or their headquarters
there in New York. At the building that we're protesting in front of. Yeah. Yeah. And they
send us a picture and it's, it's right on the front. It's a free Kevin right at the, right on
the door. We don't encourage people to, to risk their lives by sticking these things where they're
not supposed to be. No. But if you decide to go down that road, it would be a shame if you
didn't take a picture of it, wouldn't it? So, uh, definitely, uh, check that out. Um, other
weird places they've shown up on cars in Holland where the license plates look remarkably
similar to the free Kevin display. Uh, toilet balls all over the place. Although, you know,
it's not really the best place to put a bumper sticker. Well, you figure someone's going to
be sitting there doing something for at least a few minutes. Public stalls I could see, you
know, you know, on the door as it closes, people are sitting there and they have nothing else
to think about. So, um, yeah, but you know, also very important is spreading the free Kevin
bumper stickers on the net, the virtual stickers. And you can find one of those right now at
either the 2600 site or the free Kevin site, uh, the Kevin Nick site, www.kevinminnick.com
or www.2600.com and simply, uh, what is it? You right click on it and just copy it.
Most people who are on the web can generate pretty simple web pages. They can just right
click, get the graphic. Um, and encourage other people to put it up to encourage people
in big companies. Yeah. I mean, what are you afraid of? You know, it's, it's, it's, it's
a, a sentiment. So it has to do with free speech has to do with stopping suffering, you know,
and we all tend to forget, but you know, he's a U S citizen and U S citizens aren't supposed
to be in prison without bail, without trial. That's one of our fundamental rights. We've
gotten so much, uh, so much reaction from other countries, other people in other countries
who are very sympathetic because they've been through things like this. They, they know what
it's all about and they can't believe that so many people here aren't aware of the injustices
that are going on right within our borders. So, uh, that's why they, they have particular
interest in, uh, getting the word out. And that's why you might see more, uh, notice and
word about Kevin Mitnick in other countries in the United States. It's kind of sad, but,
uh, it shows you where our country is right now. So that's, uh, that's the situation.
We've got a demonstration coming up on Thursday, Thursday, 1230 in front of Miramax 375 Greenwich
Street. And, uh, hopefully we'll figure out what subway is near there. If anybody can call
in and give us that information or bring a map or something like that, that would be
nice. I was supposed to do that today, but I, I'm still caught up with other things.
Lots of people listen who live in the New York City area. I'm sorry. If you see people
on Thursday that look lost, figure that they're probably looking for a demonstration and that's,
you know, that's where they should go. And we've got some really cool signs too. If you
want to make your own picket signs, you know, feel free to do that. Just get some, uh, you
know, some, uh, what do they call it stuff? Cardboard backing. Poster board. Poster board.
That's it. You can make a, make a poster with a magic marker with paint. You know,
we made a bunch on Sunday with, uh, with paint and the banner looks really, really
cool. I'm not sure, you know, how much space we're going to have to display the
banner, but we'll, we'll have at least one good photo opportunity. Yeah. So, um, that's
the situation there. All right. So we can take some phone calls. 212-209-2900. You're
listening to Off the Hook. This is Emmanuel Bilstein. Phil's over there talking about
the Kevin Mitnick situation. Any more updates from, uh, from the website, from the net? Any
other weird things happening? Yeah. One, one thing is, uh, this is from CNET and a lot of you
probably heard about it. Uh, Fox affiliates, their affiliate in Chicago was hacked and it
was, uh, I heard about that. Yeah. Yeah. It's right here. Uh, and it wasn't destroyed. It
wasn't damaged in any way, but it had a message and the message read this website has been
hacked by digital freaking error type 11. My motives are other than destructive. I am actually
here to bring you an issue, bring an issue to your attention. Kevin Mitnick, a notorious
hacker has been held in jail for over three years without trial. Simple message. Didn't do
any harm. Interesting. Uh, I guess, you know, if you're going to hack a website and we don't
recommend that either, but if you're going to do that, make sure it's not something that's
harmful in any way that the original site is preserved and, uh, that your message makes
sense, you know, because it's a form of graffiti. It's a form of getting your word out in an
unauthorized way. Uh, and you're just going to alienate people if you say, you know, obscene
things or destroy a site or, you know, otherwise don't make any sense. Yeah. So if you choose
to go down that road, then, uh, just give it a little bit of thought, a couple of phone
numbers too, that we really should give out, uh, Miramax films here in New York can be
reached to 212-941-3800. I've called that number a few times and they have a neat transferring
system. I'll say that they can go any, I was going through, they have three offices in this
city. They have one, uh, beach street and one on, uh, was Hudson street, Hudson beach and
Greenwich. I got transferred to all those different offices. You know, I said, I'm not right
outside your building right now. And they said, no, you're not. You're on Greenwich
and we're on beach. Oh yeah. So, um, I was going to try to have them transform into Los
Angeles, but I figured maybe that would be too much to ask for. Anyway, the number
is 212-941-3800. Fax machine, 212-941-3949. Uh, if you're listening out in the Los Angeles
area and you want to pay them a visit there at 7966 Beverly Boulevard and, uh, that's in Los
Angeles. Their phone number, 213-951-4200. Fax number, 213-951-4315.
If you do go down and, uh, pay them a visit, be civil, be polite, you know, be coherent
and, uh, know exactly what it is you want to say. You know, I realize it's hard. A lot
of people don't have copies of the script, you know, because we haven't been giving out
copies. We got our copy. We got it to Kevin and, uh, other people who were in the film.
And, you know, I really think that that's, there's nothing wrong with giving it to people
who are in the film. They should know what's being said about them. Uh, but we had to stop
there because we, we don't want to, uh, do things that, uh, obviously are going to violate
copyrights. So, um,
Your review is on KevinMitnick.com and it has some pretty good quotes from the script.
And after just reading a review, um, a lot of people are upset about that just from the
quotes and just from some of the scenarios.
Yeah. I was in a particularly bad mood when I wrote that because I just, you know, read
it for a couple of hours and I just, you know, I had to just sort of sit there for a while
and hold my head in my hands and then I just started typing away my, my feelings about it.
And I think I captured the mood. So, uh, I'm glad I was able to do that at least.
So if we hear more, of course, we'll, we'll let people know. Now it's possible we might be
away in the next couple of weeks, especially if this thing starts filming, uh, next week or
the week after, cause we intend to be on the site. We intend to be, you know, where the
action is happening, uh, just so that they know we're out there. You know, we don't intend
to, uh, you know, send firebombs over the fence or anything like that, but, uh, we do
intend to let them know that, you know, we're watching and we're aware and they need to be
aware of our concerns. So if that happens, it's possible the show might be broadcast, uh,
remotely, uh, something we've never done before actually. So there's another, uh, you know,
new thing for us right there. So again, we'll keep you updated. Best way to stay updated
is through the website. If you want to subscribe to an active mailing list, uh, where you can
actually post your ideas or just hear what people are saying that are involved in this
campaign. Uh, you need email, obviously you need internet access. Uh, and the best way
to do that is to simply send mail to majordomo at 2600.com. That's M-A-J-O-R-D-O-M-O
at 2600.com. And in the body of your message, not the subject in the body of your message,
just say two words, subscribe Mitnick spelled M-I-T-N-I-C-K. And, um, send that along. You'll
get a confirmation message back. It might ask you to send something back as validation. And when
that happens, you'll be subscribed to the Mitnick mailing list. The list has grown. The list is
growing. It's, it's, it's really getting up there. Yeah. So it's, it's, it's bogging down the
system, but that's okay. Cause that's what we're here for. And it's good to see, you know, freedom of
speech, uh, prevailing like this. And you have people from all over the world, you know, of all different
ages and backgrounds come up with some really good ideas, you know, of, of ways of, of handling
this whole thing. And there's some really good debates too. So that's, uh, that's what we're
here for it to throw it all around. And, you know, the thing is it's open to anybody. I'm sure
there's people from Miramax on the list. Yeah. And it's all anonymous as well. I mean, people don't
have to worry about it. Well, it's as anonymous as you want it to be. You know, if you want to
post from your home email, just want to get a Hotmail account someplace and post whatever you
want, that's fine too. So, uh, we've, we've had a lot of very interesting discussions going on
there. Okay. Let's take some phone calls. 212-209-2900. Pick a number from one to eight.
Three. All right. If it's him, though, it's your fault. You know that. A lot of pressure.
Good evening. You're on the air. Hi, Manuel. It's your fault. This is all your fault.
He called on the multiple lines before. How many lines did, just tell us honestly, how many
lines did you dial in on? I got on my cellulophone. That's only one line. You picked his line.
Man. You have, you have like some sort of connection with this guy. I don't have anything.
Well, when I, when I was in a mall, I went to a, uh, like a financial, they were doing
some demonstration somewhere. And I, and I, when the guy wasn't looking, I put free Kevin
up on the thing. And the guy, and then I, then the guy said, oh, well, well, I'd like
to demonstrate this to you with this free Kevin. I don't know who Kevin is. And then I started
laughing. Uh-huh. And when I went to, um, to, I went to do it somewhere else, but Netscape
was blocked. In other words, you can only go to that particular site. Oh, you can only go to
the site they want you to go to. One site. Like, it was, I'm not going to mention the
entity I went to, but it was a financial institution and I, and, and they had only.
Why, why are you protecting them? Why are you protecting this?
Oh, all right. So it was Charles Schwab and you can only go to the Charles Schwab website.
And I don't believe you said the name of that. You know, you know how mad they're going to
get it to you now? They're going to be sending lawyers to you now. And since you gave your real
name out a couple of weeks ago, they won't have far to look, will they?
Um, yeah. And, and when I went there and then I couldn't go to any other site and I couldn't
access some sort of a web, like a, a web processor to put the free Kevin on. Uh-huh.
Uh, how do you have a website for that? I mean, a Netscape navigator so that you can,
can like, you know how like it restricts only to that one website?
Uh, what? That's not a hack. It's just a preference for a homepage in the Netscape settings.
So in other words, you just can go only to that one website, right?
No. Do you mean a homepage? Like when you start up Netscape?
Yeah, a homepage that like, they, that they only want you to go to one, they don't want
you like browsing around to other webpages.
They can't go, you can't go anywhere else when you're in Charles Schwab?
Right, you can only go to there.
Well, you know, it's, it's quite possible that there's no net connection whatsoever and
that's simply, there's simply connecting to a local machine in that mall or wherever it
is they are.
And, uh, and the reason you can't connect anything out, I mean, do you get an error message
or do you get, you know, trying, failing?
Uh, yeah, I get an error. I don't remember the error message, but I got some sort of a message
or something. Um, you know, I, I'd also like to say, you know, I think people, I think
there's a big crackdown on convenience.
You know why?
A crackdown on convenience?
Yeah. I wanted to get $20 from my account and I went into a Citibank. Guess what? They
only get $40 if you're not a Citibank customer. It used to be that you can get intervals of
20, 40, 60, and so on and so forth. But they say, well, if you're not a Citibank customer,
we can only give it to you in 40 and on up. I mean, I thought I didn't want 40. I said
I want 20. Uh-huh. So, like, you know, and then...
So, what did, what did you do? Well, I want to know this. What's that?
Well, I wanted to another bank.
Okay. A friendlier bank that, uh, that...
Well, I mean, like, a bank that does not charge. I mean, there's these ATMs coming up all over
the place. And it's like, you know, they, they charge you now.
Banks charge you for everything.
Yeah, well, it used to be that you can just use your card anywhere in the country, at any
ATM and, you know...
Well, it's, it's made me use my card a lot less. You know, this, this... All these,
all these fees that they institute, these, uh, you know, ATM fees, they make me use my
ATM card less. The, uh, the payphone surcharge for calling cards now. So, I'm using calling
cards less. I'm not using payphones anymore. I mean, yeah, okay, fine. You want to push me
to some other technology? That's just great. I'm just not going to pay ridiculous fees for
nothing.
I wanted to look up somebody's address in New Jersey because I was trying to drive to their
house. The call card charges you for information. I had, I, it's like I have to drive...
That's illegal. They, they, they're not supposed to charge you for information within the state,
within, uh, the region anyway.
The local area, right. And did you know that in Ohio, no, it's in Michigan, when I, I forgot
to tell you this, local information, American information, gives you national, any number
in the country?
Well, it's not surprising because, uh, what you're seeing is a move towards national
information no matter what, what, uh, you know, what area code you dial. For instance,
Sprint, Omnipoint, the PCS companies, if you dial information in any area code, you can
pretty much ask for any number in the country. It's just a formality. The, the disadvantage
to that, obviously, is the fact that they're not familiar with the area that, uh, you're
asking about. And, uh, probably what they're using are CD-ROMs, which are rather outdated.
Hello? Yeah, but you know something? They, they, they sometimes don't know a lot of the numbers.
Like, if you'll ask for, um, WBAI, like, from California, they may not have that number
in that particular database.
Right.
But I don't like these call cards, like, they, they, you dial an 800 number, and then
you, you get, they, they, it's sneaky because they charge you after five minutes, as if
you were, like, you know, on a timed call. It used to be, like, sometimes they charge
you as the time you dial 800, but nowadays, they, they, like, they're free to call the
800 number, but it's a five minutes. Surprise! It's about 25 cents.
That is, uh, that is unfortunate. Well, listen, we're going to move on.
All right.
Thanks, uh, thanks for calling.
I'm no longer allowed to pick numbers.
Uh, well, it doesn't matter or not. You already, uh, you already picked the number.
No more numbers, right.
Let's try this one over here. Good evening. You're on the air.
Uh, yes, hello.
How you doing?
How you doing? Um, I was, uh, listening to the program earlier, uh, regarding the, uh,
MetroCards.
Right.
And how, um, uh, I'm not sure if you said, um, to let somebody else in, but only after 18
minutes.
18 minutes have to pass by between swipes, yes.
So, which means if I'm with, uh, let's say my children, I can't swipe them in at the same
time that I'm going through?
Not with the unlimited card, no.
Ah, so we'd have to have a separate card?
Unless they're really small and you can carry them with you.
Uh, that's, that's the only way you'd be able to get away with that.
Otherwise, you have to use the multiple fare cards, which deduct every time you go through.
Right, right.
Now, you know, if, if, um, theoretically you could have 18 people buying a card, uh, an unlimited
card, and then one per minute can let somebody in.
Right.
You know, and then there'd never be a gap.
But, uh, you know, people do have other things to do, so they can't just let people in for
free all the time.
But it is theoretically possible.
Okay.
All right?
Great, thanks.
Thanks for calling.
Bye.
I don't know how many other people are doing it.
I've heard, I've heard of other people doing it.
I've heard of the reluctance of New Yorkers to actually think that something exists for
nothing.
I think it's a trap or something.
They always think it's a trap.
They either think it's illegal or something like that, but it's not.
Try during rush hour someday.
Get one of these passes and, uh, and just let people in.
It's harder to do on the bus because you got to run on the bus and then run off the bus and
let somebody in, you know, so it's not as easy.
Yeah.
But the subway, it's, it's very simple.
I was a little concerned when we first did it because, um, I thought that there was a
timeout, uh, if you didn't go through the, uh, the turnstile, but there isn't.
There isn't.
It'll, it'll stay.
The thing is it says go and then the go goes out.
So it's just, you know, empty.
You don't know if it's free or not.
What is this?
But it says something before the go when it, when it says swipe card, correct?
I don't think it says anything until you swipe the card.
Then it usually says swipe again because most people don't get it the first time.
And then it says go.
And then after about five seconds, the go goes out, but the, the free fare is still there.
Maybe that's a power saving thing.
I don't know what it is, but you know, people will think that there's no free fare there and
I'll just put another token or card in or whatever, but that's a trick, but the thing
is it has a buffer.
So even if somebody was to do that all day long at the end of the day, there'd still be
that one free ride there.
Assuming nobody even tried to get through.
Okay.
Let's take another phone call.
Good evening.
You're on off the hook.
Uh, hi, uh, Emmanuel.
Yes.
How are you doing?
Hi.
Um, um, I'm at F two, four, six, oh one.
Is that pork shop?
Uh, is who pork shop?
Um, I can say no because he's not here.
So whoever it is you're thinking of, it's not him.
Oh, okay.
Um, you know, it's really nice talking to you about like where the train that gets
to Greenwich.
Uh-huh.
Um, I'm pretty sure it's the A train, but if anyone out there is listening, says I'm
wrong, please call in to correct me.
Okay.
You wouldn't know the stop, would you?
Huh?
You wouldn't know the stop.
Um, well, Greenwich and what?
Uh, Greenwich and I think it's right near North Moore.
Yeah.
No, I wouldn't know the stop.
I only know which train gets there.
All right.
Might be Chambers.
Yeah.
Might be Chambers, but, um, I don't know.
Maybe somebody from, from Miramax can help.
You know, um.
You have to get there.
And another.
Yeah, that's what you can do.
You always call them and ask them what the subway stopped.
They're near.
I plan on calling and asking for directions.
I mean, you can always do that.
I mean, not, not to be annoying or obnoxious or anything like that, but it's something.
It's, it's a most logical way of doing it.
Um, and, you know, on Friday I was there at the meeting.
Yeah, I remember you.
Huh?
I remember you.
Yes, you were there.
Oh, cool.
I can confirm that.
You know, um, you asked me, like, what I think should happen to Kevin, and what, I thought
about that overnight, and, because I really didn't get a chance to answer, and I just want
to say, like, the most horrible thing about this entire thing is not that, I mean, what's
worse than him just being in jail for three years is that they don't actually let him
see anyone.
That's right.
You know, he's, like, totally isolated from society.
That's about it.
Yeah, he can see his lawyer.
That's about the only company he gets.
Uh-huh.
I guess a little stale after a while.
Well, speaking of lawyers, um, what about, like, you guys from 2600?
Have you got your lawyers, like, just in case if anything happens at the Miramax demonstration?
Yeah, we, we, we have, um, people working on that.
When you have demonstrations, there's always, uh, legal people that, uh, watch over to make
sure your rights aren't violated.
So, yeah, we, we are covering those bases.
Oh, that's good.
And, and, like, you know, I read 2600 a lot, and, um, I know you need articles.
So, just one more thing.
I was just, like, researching, I can't exactly say what, and, you know, I tripped over an
entire load of, like, uh, DDN locations.
Uh-huh.
And I, and I've already written up this article that's completely thorough and gives a lot of
information, and, you know, I'm not, like, promoting, uh, corporate espionage or, like,
you know, government sabotage of, like, networks and things, but I'm just saying, like, would
you be interested in it if I sent that in?
Sure, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Anything, that, there's nothing too controversial, you know, that we won't at least look at.
Uh-huh.
And if it's, uh, interesting information that hasn't been beaten to death, yeah, we'll certainly,
uh, do something with it.
Oh, I see.
And who does artwork for 2600?
Well, uh, Phil just did some artwork for us.
Uh, there's gonna be an interesting, interesting new cover coming out in about, uh, three weeks
or so.
Oh, yeah.
Uh-huh.
Um, so, you have him, you have a curator doing some things, you have, uh, uh, all kinds
of other people working on, uh, uh, Mike from Shopping Block actually does, does a lot of
work for us.
I see.
So, uh, there, there, there's, there's talent out there.
Well, I was just wondering, like, if I ever sent in any, um, you know, uh, samples of my
artwork, because I do a lot of that, if you'd be interested.
Sure, you can always, you can always send it in to us or, or bring it down to a meeting.
Oh, I see.
So, I'll either see you guys at the demonstration, if not, I'll see you at the next meeting.
Well, you better see us at the demonstration.
You'll get a free button.
How are you gonna miss us at the demonstration?
We're all gonna be there together.
The thing is that, see, I have to go to work just in case my supervisor doesn't let me off.
Uh-huh.
Well, it's lunchtime.
That's why we, we planned it for this, this particular period.
So that, see, I work in Brooklyn and I can't, like, go back and forth in, like, half an hour.
Yeah, no, that, that does make sense.
Well, don't do anything that will jeopardize your, your career or your life.
Well, yeah, I'll try my best.
If I can't get there, I'm gonna send friends over there.
Yeah, get, get, get as many friends as possible to show up as well and discuss for everybody
who's planning on, on coming, you know, the strength is in numbers.
Definitely.
We can always call Miramax and just let them know that you couldn't attend, but, you know,
how you feel.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
All right.
Thanks, thanks for calling.
Sure, bye.
And, uh, of course, we expect to have lots of media people there as well.
They've already expressed an interest in this, which I think is pretty amazing.
Um, so word is out.
I mean, word's already out.
This is a question of where the thing goes from now.
Okay, we got the word out.
Now, you know, they might like this publicity as, as, as, as, you know, much as we do.
They might think, hey, this is good for the film.
Well, we've got to, you know, sort of persuade them that that's not exactly what we had in
mind.
We're not out here publicizing the film.
We're out here condemning the film.
And, uh, we want that to be addressed.
Okay.
Let's take another phone call.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hey, Emmanuel.
Nice to be on the show again.
It's Tommy, the T-O-M-M, capital E, capital E.
Sorry I didn't get to talk to you at the meeting there.
I was looking at the corner reading my book, but you never came over and said howdy.
So now, wait a minute.
Let me see if I understand this.
You came to the meeting, but you didn't join anybody who was at the meeting.
No, because I was reading my book.
I just wanted to talk to you one-on-one, but, you know.
What book were you reading that was so engrossing then?
Cyberpunk.
Ah.
That book about Pingo and Kevin and, you know.
Okay.
Well, you see, the thing is, here's how it works.
If you come over to the meeting and talk to us, odds are you'll get to talk to one of
us one-on-one, and that's how it works.
So one problem I'm having is I've sent out messages about the benefit that I'm trying to plan.
I set up an email on Netscape.net, which is freekevin.net, but only one person responded.
I even left a message on the BBS, and no one responded on the Voice BBS either.
So I'm not sure how strong the people are out here in New York City to actually support
them.
Well, I mean, I would post something on the mailing list as well, the Mitnick mailing list.
I did that, and no one responded from there either.
So, I mean, this is a really sad situation for me.
Are you going to the protest on...
Oh, definitely, yeah.
Don't bring any books, though.
Yeah, don't bring any books.
Make sure you talk to us, though.
No, but I'll bring my one-cheek digital camera, and then I'll bring another camera, and we'll
take lots of pictures out there so we can even distribute those pictures to the media.
Okay.
You know, how we actually all gathered out there to protest Miramax.
You know, we want the truth to be told, not this lie that Shimomura's putting out there
and John Markoff and all those bad media hypes.
Yeah.
It'll be interesting to see if the New York Times shows up.
Yeah, hopefully they will.
You know, maybe we can even coax John Markoff to come out there himself.
Oh, I doubt that he's in San Francisco, but, you know, who knows?
Oh, you know, maybe someone will throw him in a bag and drag him out here.
Yeah.
We've got to get this truth out there.
A lot of people out there, when I say, hey, you know, this is unfair.
Kevin's been in jail three years, four months, you know, X amount of days.
They go, yeah, well, he's a bad hacker.
He was, you know, mischievous and all this.
And I'm like, no.
And he was fat.
I'm like, he was, but not anymore.
What does being fat have to do with it?
I mean, he's not fat anymore.
He was fat back then.
So what?
That means you have to go to prison for a long period of time?
And everyone says, you know, what we should start doing is writing letters to Amnesty.
Well, you know, Amnesty International has been contacted repeatedly about this.
They don't seem to have an interest in it for some reason.
I don't know why that is.
This is horrible.
I think, you know, my theory is that it's because of computers.
They think computers somehow change it.
It doesn't, you know.
He's just as in jail as a political prisoner in any other country.
Well, I've told a lot of people to read the Panga section of Cyberpunk just because they'll
learn that U.S. hackers are only taking down web pages for a protest, yet those German
hackers were actually hacking into U.S. military sites.
You know, there's not too many U.S. hackers that hack into countries, U.S., you know, or
other countries' military sites just because, you know, there's no interest, really.
Well, the analyzer, that Israel guy, he actually got a job and commended by his country for
going into the Pentagon.
Netanyahu actually said he was really good.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, you know.
You know, chemists in jail for...
We're going to get Clinton's reaction to Kevin Mitnick.
Yeah.
That $80 million thing that Kevin's under, you know, and people are, like, never going
to give him a job, it seems, because all the restrictions placed on him.
Hey, he's not even allowed to operate a telephone, pretty much, if it's been altered anyway.
I mean, is that going to include the caller ID function to lock out those private numbers?
Yeah, these are the...
That's ridiculous, you know.
Yeah, these are the things people need to be aware of, and I think once, you know, people
with absolutely no background in technology are made aware of these things, they see how ridiculous
it is and how things can be changed.
It's the same thing with the wipeout treaty.
I mean, people don't even know that this exists yet, yet, you know, it's going to damage the
fact of anyone testing their own interior network.
Like, they can't even go to bugtrack, you know, .net, or bugtrack.com, excuse me, to check
out, oh, what's wrong with NT systems now?
It comes from people who have no conception of how it all works, making the regulations.
So, we need to voice our opinions on that, too, but actually, this free Kevin thing is
more important than anything, because any of us could be in that position right now.
Okay, listen, Tommy, we'll see you on Thursday, right?
Oh, definitely.
I'll be out front.
Okay.
All right, talk to you guys soon.
Take care.
Bye.
And how many people do you think we're going to show up?
I hope we get a lot.
I really do.
I think there's going to be a lot more, especially after tonight.
Yeah.
And, you know...
Well, where's that on the website?
Yeah.
Where's that on the net?
You know, it's only one city, and we're reaching people all throughout the planet.
But it's New York City.
It's New York.
It's New York.
It's the center of everything, and we hope to be able to, you know, make it the focal
point for this particular action.
So, again, the demonstration takes place Thursday, this Thursday, coming up, 12.30 p.m.
You might want to meet a little bit before that, you know, on 12.15 or so, just to sort
of organize and make introductions, things like that.
And it's at 375 Greenwich Street, right here in Lower Manhattan.
And we're just going to, basically, if you've never been to a demonstration before, it's
nothing to be afraid of, you know.
We're not going to get maced by the cops or anything like that.
Basically, you just kind of stand out there with a picket sign.
I don't even know if we're going to have a chant.
We might have a chant.
We might come up with a chant or a song or something like that.
Who knows?
If anybody can think of one before Thursday.
But we were there.
We had our own camera crew and all that there the other day when we tried to get into their
offices.
And it's fun, you know.
People will come up and talk to you.
They want to know more about the case.
And it's really a good experience.
So if you are at all concerned about it being bad or negative, no, it's not that way.
We're not there to, you know, to yell scab or anything like that or throw rocks or, no,
that's not who we are.
You know, we're basically here to, you know, to just get across a message, you know, to
let people know, to educate.
And I think you'll be surprised how many people are open to that.
And people on all sides of the fence.
So Wyoming show up this Thursday, 1230 p.m., 375 Greenwich Street.
And if you have any questions, you can call us at 516-751-2600, extension 0.
And you can also email us, OTH, that stands for off the hook, OTH at 2600.com.
And, of course, visit the website, www.kevinmitnick.com, one word, K-E-V-I-N-M-I-T-N-I-C-K.com.
All right, let's see if we can squeeze in one or two more phone calls.
Good evening, you're on Off the Hook.
Good evening, Emmanuel.
I have a question for you.
Why are you trivializing, men and not men and not men and not men and not men and
Kevin McNitt's racism against Asian Americans?
Well, because it's it's fictional, for one thing.
Where where did you hear about this in the first place?
Well, I was hearing that what was said about him by people who, you know, they have a different
point of view with you.
He made very derogatory remarks against King of Morgan.
In the script, yeah.
You're reading.
In the script, yeah.
You see, that is part of what we are upset about is the fact that that is how he's being
portrayed.
He's not like that.
And, you know, whatever it is that you're reading or hearing about, it's coming from the
people that write these things.
And it's to their advantage to portray him in that particular light, because that makes
you not like him.
Definitely.
He did not make any derogatory remarks about Asian Americans or Japanese Americans in particular.
I'm not aware of anything like that.
I have to say, no, he did not.
I've talked to Kevin quite a bit, and he's never said anything racist or bad about anybody.
Yeah, I've known him since 1989.
And in all that time, and I can't say this about a lot of people, but in all that time,
I've never heard any kind of racial epithet come out of his mouth.
And he didn't call the Chigamora bad names after he was caught by it.
Well, you know, I can't say what he might have said in solitary confinement in the throes
of desperation.
Who knows?
But, you know, it's not in his character to be racist.
That's what I'm saying right now.
All right?
Okay, okay.
So hopefully we'll see you there on Thursday.
Okay.
All right.
This is what I fear that's going to happen, is everybody's going to think that exactly...
This is a perfect example.
People hear this crap, and then that becomes the truth to them.
Now, imagine all these people seeing this film.
They're going to say, oh, yeah, Kevin Mitnick's a racist.
He bashes people with garbage can lids.
You know?
It's the conception.
It sticks.
These people might be on the jury.
Right.
If it ever goes to trial.
Do you think that last caller ever talked to Kevin Mitnick?
Do you think he ever heard anything firsthand?
Ever heard his voice?
Knows anything really firsthand about him?
Of course not.
Because they don't let you.
They don't let you get that kind of access.
They don't let you get that kind of information.
Kevin's not allowed to talk to people.
You know, he's not allowed to express who he really is.
It's sad.
I think he was listening to us reading from the script.
Right.
No, that was...
I think this is where he got us from.
He heard us reading.
And because of that, it was like, you know, this is the way it really is.
So, yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Of course.
This is why the film has to be stopped, because people are going to think these things.
Yeah, Kevin's a racist because he said this in the film.
So, films don't lie.
Films are true.
Miramax wouldn't lie to us.
No, of course not.
All right.
Let's take another four.
I'm glad we got a call like that.
I really am.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
I made it.
How are you?
Hey, how are you doing?
Okay, two brief things.
We're going to see you on Thursday, right?
No, I'm like...
Why not?
Because I'm claustrophobic and I'm not...
It's outside.
It's outside.
No, I mean, in terms of being with crowds of people, I feel I'm going to get trampled to
death like at the Who concert or I'll have flashbacks and the colors will drive me insane.
And I'm not...
I'm really, you know, I can't even be in the bar and talk to a woman, so how am I supposed
to yell at Miramax?
All right, all right.
Anyway, two brief things.
Just for people who are listening and who don't know you the way I do, could you just
state that 2600, where it gets its financial resources from, that you're not supported
by Gaddafi or Barbra Streisand, number one?
Gaddafi's canceled his subscription.
Or Barbra Streisand.
We're through sending collections.
Barbra Streisand?
I'm trying to be funny, but...
No, I think you're succeeding.
No, we get our money 100% through subscribers and people who buy...
Okay, cool.
No advertisements, no corporate donations, nothing like that.
The other thing is, this morning I was like bored, so I called 1-800-IMAGINE to get
information on the AT&T Digital One rate, and it's like 600 minutes a month for $90 a month.
But the thing I found interesting was...
You have to sign up for a year.
Yeah, no, no, not that, but they're out of stock.
It has to be only a certain Nokia phone, and they told me who an authorized dealer is.
Not nobody beats the Wiz or Radio Shack, but if all people are an S Auto Parts store, I
found that a little strange.
That's pretty funny.
A tire supply store would be a digital cellular dealer.
Anyway, I think...
I'm a big fan of Rebel.
I don't think you guys should be that hard on him because...
Well, no, we let him have his say.
Hey, in fact, you guys are kind of sandwiching the show this week.
Rebels are the first, you're the last.
Who's your co-host?
Just plain Phil, no handle or anything?
Just Phil.
Just Phil, not like...
Not like Madonna.
We're trying to think up a name for him, so if you want to send in your suggestions,
the address...
WBAI, 120 Wall Street, New York, New York, 10005.
How about Cyber Amoeba for me?
It says there, Cyber Amoeba.
Okay, our tally person has written that down and it will be put in there.
Okay, well, anyway, good luck at the demonstration and please, like, you know, don't try and be
macho with those cops who will, you know, crack heads and stuff.
No, I don't think we're going to try for any run-ins with the cops.
I think we're going to, you know, keep us civil.
And I expect that there'll be lots of attention drawn to the issues.
That's what we're going to try to stick it on, you know, the issues.
All right, and we're out of time, so we hope to see you there next, this Thursday coming
up at 12.30 p.m. outside of Miramax headquarters, which is at 375 Greenwich Street.
We're there to express our outrage at the takedown movie that's being made in the next week or
two down in North Carolina.
Again, Miramax's phone number is 212-941-3800.
I guess you can get directions from them as to how to get there.
And we'll see you there and we'll see you next week at this time to let you know what
happened.
Until then, have a good night.
The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a cough.
It couldn't get much worse, but if it could, it would.
I hope that's understood.
Come on, let me know.
We're going to play.
There we go.
Let me know.
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