We'll be right back.
We'll be right back.
And, uh, oh, this could be him here.
Hello.
Uh, well, we're trying to get a hold of you right now.
And, uh, well, the show is actually on right now.
No, it isn't.
I wouldn't be talking if it were.
Okay, we're having some problems here soon.
It's certainly not.
Yeah, we're having other problems, though.
Then the show is not on the air scene right now.
That's right.
I've got to play his car.
All right.
Okay.
All right.
Hang on.
Okay, fine.
And, all right.
So, we have some technical problems.
It is not clear what it is.
Let's hear a little more of that sterling busy signal music.
The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
I cut myself while shaving.
Now I can't make a call.
It couldn't get much worse.
But, if they could, they would.
Bum, dilly, bum, for the best to expect the worst.
I hope that's understood.
Bum, dilly, bum!
Bum, dilly, bum!
All right, this is, we've had nothing but problems, but let's see, Emmanuel, are you there?
Yeah, I'm here.
All right, it's good. That's a start. It's more than a start.
It's more than a start. It's like, you know, just about everything right here.
So, can you hear me fine?
I can hear you fine, and so can our listeners, but I would like to see if I can get somebody else.
One of the microphones here is functional, so what's for you?
While you're doing that, let me just tell the people that a first has finally happened here at WBAI,
where I am now doing the show off the hook from my car.
Actually, it's not my car. It's a rental car, and I'm on my cell phone.
And the reason for that is because I have so many things I have to do at once
that I have to, you know, be on the phone in the car at the same time.
So hopefully this will work out.
Okay, we're going to try and get Phil.
Phil, would you say anything? I've got all the mics on here.
Yeah, anything.
I hear him just fine.
Yeah, we're okay now.
You know, it's amazing we can get a hold of Manuel 2,000 miles away,
but two feet away it seems to be going slightly wrong tonight.
So, Manuel, where...
Well, now that we're all together, that's, you know, of course, it's a confidential radio show.
Let me warn people.
Are you still there?
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm using Sprint PCS.
You will hear something known as Robot Voice, which is one of their features.
And that will happen right before I get disconnected.
So that's probably going to happen a couple of times.
A couple, yeah, right.
Probably a lot of times, and you'll have to call me back each time.
Okay.
So I'm sure that we'll be able to keep the show going now.
Definitely.
So what's new back there in New York?
Well, what's new in the world?
Let's see.
Have you heard what's going on with the president of the United States?
I heard there were some sticky situations going on over there in the White House.
I guess...
Well, it seems even hackers are involved.
Hackers got involved from that.
Okay, this is something I had not heard.
Can you believe this?
Hackers were actually mentioned in the same sentence as Clinton, Stain Dresses, Monica Lewinsky.
This story comes from CNN.
President Clinton's testimony on Monday...
Of course, this story already happened, but this is right before the testimony was taped.
President Clinton's testimony on Monday about his relationship with former White House intern,
Monica Lewinsky, is supposed to be a top-secret telecast,
and security experts are trying to make sure that hackers don't find a way to intercept it.
Now, before I even read the rest of the story,
I mean, how often have hackers been the ones to bring stories to the media,
like the hard copy and the secret videotapes?
Most of the time, it's been these guys hanging out in bushes taping things.
They're mixing up Hollywood with reality once again.
And, you know, here's a quote from Ira Winkler.
He's a security expert.
If you're talking about...
Oh, gee whiz.
Yeah, with a name like Ira Winkler, you know he has to be secure.
If you're talking about the standard computer hackers,
they would love to get their hands on Clinton's testimony,
just for the fact that they say they got it.
Well, now, who wouldn't?
You know, who wouldn't want to get their hands on something like that?
Sure.
But, you know, to blame it on hackers because it's possible,
that's, you know, that's the same kind of stupidity
that's gotten Kevin Mitnick put in jail all this time.
And here's some quotes from them and how the telecast was broadcasted.
Since it's already done,
the telecast will most likely be broadcast over fiber optic lines
and the signal will be scrambled by encryption,
making it impossible for hackers to steal the president's testimony, experts say.
And in another quote,
it's not difficult to get information from a Tempest receiver.
In fact, one can buy a kit off the internet along with instructions
on how to convert a TV into such receivers.
For those people who don't know,
a Tempest receiver is apparently a device
that can pick up the radiation emitted from a television screen
or even a monitor.
And if they're not specially protected,
someone could drive up in a van,
aim it at your TV or your monitor and see what you're looking at.
So they were worried about that,
that these hackers could do that.
So the security expert also said
the only thing that a hacker could possibly do
is cut the wire to interrupt it.
And if they interrupt it, they're not capturing data.
Before we continue with the show,
I just have to break for a second
and just make sure that Quad is, in fact, running the tape.
Is that, in fact, happening?
Oh, sure.
Okay, good.
I just wanted to make sure of that
because we didn't get a chance to do that before the show.
We've got plenty of tape, sir.
Well, no, but it's just the tape.
The one tape in particular that I'm interested in,
that's the one he's running.
Claude?
That one's running.
I can see the cables dropping and everything.
Okay.
Okay.
That's good to know.
And, of course,
the show is being broadcast also on real audio.
So I could be driving by your house right now
out here in California,
and you wouldn't even know it.
Well, you might know it,
but the point is the show is being broadcast around the world
and it's being brought to you from Northern California right now.
I'm in the Sonoma Wine Valley area right now.
Have you sampled any of the fine wines out there yet?
Well, no, I haven't sampled any of the wines
because I am driving right now.
But I do have a wine-flavored lollipop now.
That's the most you can get in those situations.
And we're driving back to San Francisco.
We've been spending the last few days here in San Francisco,
not Berkeley area,
and talking to a lot of people.
I think we've talked just about everybody involved
in the Mitney case by now for our documentary.
And it's going very well.
We've filmed over 45 hours of footage now.
You wouldn't think there'd be that much to talk about,
but there certainly is.
There's an awful lot to this case.
And it just keeps getting weirder and bigger
and things like that.
The film is still in production in Willington, North Carolina.
It's still being revised even as we speak.
The names keep getting changed.
The plots keep getting changed inside the script.
I understand that a new version is going to be released
at the beginning of this week.
Now, keep in mind, they're already filming
and they're still releasing a new version.
So what does that tell you for their confidence
as to how good the film is
or how legal the film is even
as legal action is starting to be taken against them
for portrayals of Kevin Mitnick
and other people in the film?
One of the more humorous changes that took place
has to do with the Internet service provider
out here in the Bay Area,
which Kevin Mitnick was alleged to have compromised,
known as The Well.
You've heard of it.
The Whole Earth Electronic Link is what it stands for.
It's been used to The Well for many centuries now.
Well, they renamed it.
Apparently, The Well didn't like their portrayal,
so they renamed it.
And now it's called The Ball.
The Ball.
The Ball, yes.
That's the new Internet service provider
that they have in the film.
So when you see Takedown,
Kevin Mitnick will be accused of breaking into The Ball.
Okay.
That stands for Bay Area Electronic Link, by the way.
Ah, I see.
Fictitious name, fictitious ISP.
So that's one of the changes that we have right now.
I had heard a rumor that Shimomura is now on the set
and directed...
Well, that's no longer a rumor.
That is, in fact, a fact.
Is that really a fact?
That is a fact.
Shimomura has been spotted on the set
in Wilmington, North Carolina.
And get this, giving directions to Skeet Ulrich
as to how to portray Kevin Mitnick.
I didn't know he was a thespian.
What I would like to know is,
how do you give directions to somebody
to portray a person that you've never even met?
You know, it boggles the imagination
how they're able to get away with this.
But, yeah, he's taking an active interest
in the film now.
Apparently he was concerned that, you know,
in kind of an irony,
all the protests apparently got his attention.
Yeah.
And he's concerned that the film
might portray him in a bad way.
So he's gone down there to help them out.
And I put lots of clubs around that.
So, once again, it seems like he's getting
a paycheck for this whole thing.
Well, I mean, undoubtedly,
there's compensation involved.
But, you know, that's not even the issue here.
The issue is fair portrayal
of both the people and the stories.
And in this case,
we've just seen the whole thing
be portrayed in a way that's advantageous
to the portrayers
and completely wrong
and inaccurate to the action characters
in the film, in the book.
Mainly Kevin Mitnick and his associates
and other people.
Emmanuel, are you still there?
Yes, I am.
Why, did I sit up?
For a second,
it sounded like you cut out
for a second.
I got worried.
Okay, I probably did.
I'm in the rolling hills now
as I'm approaching Route 101.
Okay.
Keep your eyes on the road.
Don't forget that.
You are welcome to join us
in this caravan
as we drive towards the Bay Area again.
But just, I mean,
make note that if you do,
please don't exceed the speed limit.
Confine your honking and beeping
and gesturing to the safe levels.
And, you know,
everybody will be happy.
So the last...
Oh, I'm sorry.
Are there other stories in New York
that we need to cover?
Well, not necessarily New York.
It seems like there's a lot
of global stories.
You've heard of the Vatican, right?
I've heard...
Yeah, I've heard stories about that.
The Vatican?
Well, the Vatican is getting
its own computer network.
This is from...
Let's see.
Reuters and the Associated Press.
From Washington to Warsaw,
the Pope's brother bishops
and his diplomatic soldiers
will soon grow closer
with a new computer network.
The Vatican is going to get
a high-speed network,
and this will allow bishops
or any other church official
to enter a password
and download instructions
and documents directly from Rome.
The Pope is going to enter a password.
The Pope is going to enter a password
and download instructions
and documents direct from...
Well, I guess after...
If he was doing it,
it would be direct from,
you know, the Almighty.
Let's see.
He set up the Vatican Broadcasting Office,
and they're going to be transmitting,
I guess, over real audio
or a similar technology
to the one that we use,
his Christmas messages,
his addresses,
and, you know,
whatever, I guess,
the church deems worthy
as broadcasting out.
The rumor has it.
These people have seen
what a tremendous success
is on the Internet
and we're following our footsteps,
but I should point out
it's only a rumor.
Some quotes here
from some of the officials.
Here's a couple good ones,
and actually,
hackers are mentioned in this,
of course,
you know,
from presidents
to the Almighty,
hackers get mentioned.
It's kind of interesting.
The road to God
needs participation
in a community.
The Internet offers elements
but does not substitute
for this road, he said.
Security is another major concern.
The Vatican invested heavily
in protective measures
in setting up
its Internet computers.
hackers try to break
into the Vatican computers
six or seven times a day.
I thought it'd be more,
but they said
six or seven times a day.
All you have to do
is get in and change a document
and you can profoundly
change the church teachings.
Well, you know,
some people may say
that's necessary.
Well, in a related story,
they actually,
hackers did break in
and they changed
all the knots
in the Ten Commandments
to say you can kill people,
you can covet your wife,
you can go out
and do all those things.
So it's causing
a lot of problems.
The world is in chaos.
As soon as I said
that, I started losing
audio, so maybe
I won't say things
like that again.
I don't want your phone
to get struck by lightning.
Okay.
Are you still there, Emmanuel?
Uh-oh.
It sounds like
I've got it.
Oh, no, I can't tell from here.
No, he's gone.
He's definitely gone.
He's definitely gone.
All right, well,
while Claude tries
to get a hold of Emmanuel,
he might be behind a mountain,
so this might be
a little while.
Uh, I don't know
if everybody here
reads the dictionary
like I do.
The, uh,
the latest edition
of the New Oxford
Dictionary of English
just published
contains some new
and interesting definitions.
Freaking,
the act of hacking
into telecommunication systems
especially to attain
free phone calls.
Spam,
irrelevant or inappropriate
messages sent to the internet
to a large number
of news groups
or users.
Snail mail,
the ordinary
post office system
opposed to the
electronic mail.
Mouse potato,
I kind of thought
this was funny.
Informal,
a person who spends
a large amount
of leisure time
or work time
operating a computer.
I know they specify
work time as well.
Bloatware,
informal,
software whose usefulness
is reduced because
of excessive memory
it requires.
Emotion con,
we've all seen
these,
those little colons
and doodads
and smiley faces
we put at the end
of our emails
to try to lighten
the mood
after we say
something really rotten.
Uh,
representative of a facial
expression such as
a smile or frown
formed by various
combinations
of keyboard characters
and used in the
electronic communications
to convey the writer's
feeling or intended tone.
And get this,
Gates,
Bill,
he's in the dictionary
now folks,
American computer
entrepreneur,
full name William Henry Gates,
he co-founded the
computer software company
Microsoft and became
the world's youngest
and America's youngest
multi-billionaire
in history.
Alright,
let's see what else
we got in the news
until we get a hold
of Emmanuel.
How's it going,
Claude over there
trying to get out?
Well he could be
behind a mountain.
I think it's more
like the station
is behind
the technological
mountain.
You're not allowed
to say that.
Next up in the news,
we all use ICQ,
I use ICQ.
Great service,
you sign on,
your computer's there,
you get a buddy list,
you get all your friends,
you see when they're online,
you can leave messages
for them.
Well,
ICQ apparently
had some problems.
It's 15 million members
last week,
someone could actually
log on using their name,
using their account,
and could potentially
give away their
sensitive information,
pretend they're other people.
And the way they did this
was pretty interesting.
They used a non-Windows
client to actually
log in,
and they used,
you think it was
something complicated.
All they did was
use more than
eight characters,
and they're in.
If they know
your universal
internet,
I think it's UIN1,
universal internet number,
or universal identification number,
they could get who you are.
For those of you
who don't know,
Mirabilis is a
subsidiary of America
Online now,
and they say
they fixed it.
Here's a quote from
Yossi Vardy,
director of business
development for
Mirabilis.
We immediately
identified the
security issue
and fixed it.
The security hole
resulted from
some improvements
we have recently
introduced in the system.
Oh, did we get a hold
of Emanuel?
Is he there?
He stayed there,
right?
Let's hear this
from the source.
Emanuel,
at least my part of this
is now on the air.
Now,
are you going to stay
on the line
so we can try
and put you on the air?
Good.
All right.
You do try.
I'm not going to
hang up.
All right.
Hang on.
All right, Emanuel.
Are you there?
I'm here,
but you're on
the expensive phone.
We're on the expensive
phone.
On the OmniPoint phone.
Well, you sound so much
better on the expensive
phone.
Do I sound better
on this phone?
It's a little bit
better.
It's a little bit
better.
Okay, well,
we'll stay on this
phone until I get
dropped.
Okay.
And if I get dropped
again,
I'm coming back
on the Sprint phone.
You don't know
what the hell
you're putting
through Claude here.
I feel like
Claude is just
pressing buttons
and it was going
for a storm
to get a hold
of you again.
He's doing
a heroic job
in keeping
the ship afloat
here.
Well, I'm not
talking about it
to you.
I can barely
hear you,
so that's
going to be
a problem.
Okay.
Well, before
you got dropped
off there,
we actually,
can you still
hear me,
Emanuel?
I hear you.
Okay.
Before you got
dropped,
I was talking
about the new
additions to
the dictionary.
They seem to
put in some
computer terms,
freaking spam,
snail mail,
mouse potato,
bloatware,
emotion con,
and Bill Gates.
And I just
moved on to
the ICQ.
Did you ever
use ICQ on
your computer
at all?
Uh, I just,
all I know is
that you asked
me a question.
Okay.
But I don't
know what the
question was
because I just
heard the rising
intonation in your
voice, but I
couldn't make out
the words.
Okay.
That's sounding
point quality for
you.
Actually, I
couldn't blame
my only point.
It's an Ericsson
phone.
Yeah.
Sounding point
isn't a carrier
out here.
It's Pac Bell
Mobile.
Well, you
sound okay to
me.
Oh, that's good.
I'm glad I
can sound okay
because I can
rant around about
anything for a
while, but I
just can't really
hear you.
Okay, so we
can pretty much
say anything to
you and you
won't know what
we're saying
then at this
point.
Well, no, I
can understand
what you're
saying now.
Okay.
I wouldn't be
too crazy for
that.
All right.
Is there
anything else
that you were
going to tell
us?
Well, you were
saying something.
Yeah, I was
about to ask
you before you
got cut off.
The last time we
talked to you,
you were about
to go to, I
think it was
Man's Chinese
Theater.
Uh-huh.
How did that
go?
That went quite
well.
We talked to a
bunch of people
outside the
theater.
I have to say
though, people
of New York
are a lot
friendlier.
You think so?
They're interested
in what's going
on with the
whole Kevin
case.
You know, they
walk up to you
and they take
an active interest
in what it is
that you're
saying.
We got some
of that in
L.A., but not
nearly the same
amount.
You know, a lot
of people just
wanted to walk
by and get
on with their
busy lives out
here.
A bit better
in Berkeley.
We spent the
day in Berkeley
yesterday, or
actually it
wasn't two
days ago, outside
Cody's bookstore
on Telegraph.
And that's
quite a place
to hang out
and just meet
people.
And a lot of
people already
knew about
Kevin's case
and we were
busy spreading
the word about
that.
And we've
been doing
pretty much the
same thing and
talking to all
the players in
the case.
If you read the
books, you'll
know who those
people are.
We've been
doing lots of
interviews.
And we're
going to continue
doing that.
Now, for those
people who are
still getting on
to the free
Kevin movement,
the books that
they should read,
which ones would
you say would
encompass the
Kevin Mitnick
plight or parts of
it more accurately
than, say, the
makers of the
movie, the book
that they're based
a movie on?
Okay, I really
can't hear you
at all.
I'm going to
ask you to
call me back
on the
Sprint phone.
Okay.
Let me just
check my level.
Yeah, I've got
a five-bar signal
here.
If you're calling
back right now,
you should be
getting it.
All right.
Claude?
Great.
You're going to
be trying to
call him, right,
Claude?
Yeah, let me
do it.
All right.
Well, let me
get another news
story.
Well, speaking of
Berkeley, he was
out in Berkeley,
California, some
of you probably
heard, there's a
hacker out there
who has 48,000
encrypted passwords
from companies and
universities around
the world.
The hacker was
thought to be
operating someplace
outside Europe
because his first
known computer
hacking or whatever
you want to call
it was outside
the United States.
The hacker
recently broke
into accounts at
Silicon Valley and
an internet service
provider and some
other universities
here.
Let's see, 48,000
passwords.
It seems like he's
not seeking
classified information,
he's not doing
government information.
He's not really,
you know, they
think he's using a
program called
John the Ripper to
decode the encrypted
password.
Some of you probably
know what that is.
But I don't know.
I was hoping to
talk to Emmanuel
about the, if he,
I think Claude got
the wrong number.
You know, Claude,
if you get the
wrong number, you
should put it on
the air.
I'll let you know
this, that apparently
there's some kind of
strange wiring inside
the phone.
I can hear it with
my ears without any
kind of mechanical
device that there's
something odd about
the sound of these
buttons that it's not
quite that dual tone.
But anyway, I'm going
to, I can't get to
occasionally.
I'm trying again.
Okay, go, go.
I mean, we've got
plenty of stuff here to
do tonight.
You know, we can
always take other
phone calls and see
who has the best
Emmanuel impression
and, you know,
have him talk.
Now, what's
unfortunate is I
didn't bring any
music.
If I would have
brought some music,
we could have had
some background music
behind my voice.
Well, let's move
on to the next story.
Would you hire a
hacker?
Question asked.
Who would know
better whether your
network is vulnerable?
A regular person
or a hacker?
And this story's
from MSNBC.
Pretty good story.
Last week we
mentioned Agent
Steele is back
in prison.
How are we doing
there, Claude?
The message I just
got was the PCS
telephone is not
in service.
Really?
Well, let's hope
for the best that he
didn't get in an
accident or anything
like that.
I doubt that.
I'm not sure.
How would they know
that he had?
Yeah.
Well, this prorated
billing, it works
out pretty quickly.
I'm going to try
because I have two
numbers.
I'm going to try
the number that he
was originally on.
Yeah, try the
top one.
And if that fails,
I will try the
bottom one.
Try the top one.
That's the one
that he said to
call.
I've been doing
this.
Okay.
You know, this is
why radio stations
don't normally do
this.
They don't broadcast
the host of the
show from a phone.
Well, anyways,
back to the hacker
story and when you
hire him.
Agent Steele,
most of you know
Justin Peterson,
is back in prison
apparently.
Some of the things
he did, he's 37
now, reformed
Oh, you know what?
He's calling me
now.
Let's find out
what he says.
Hello.
Well, Claude
tried to call you
and it seems that
your PCS phone is
out of service.
Is that what it
said, Claude?
But it's all
very dubious
because I think
that the touch
tones are not
working properly.
So that it's
giving the system
spurious numbers
or numbers it
Well, go ahead.
I have him on
the other line
here with me.
Okay, Claude,
call right now.
He stopped the
car.
He has a five
bar signal.
Go ahead and
call him.
All right, folks.
I'm watching Claude,
the skilled engineer,
pick up the phone.
Which one?
The top number
on that piece
of paper.
All right, Claude's
dialing.
And the volume
isn't on.
He's doing fine.
So for you folks
at home, I want
to kind of paint
a picture of
what's going on
here.
I'm holding a
cell phone.
Claude's holding
a phone with
all sorts of
lines on it.
There's a couple
of people in
here.
Hello?
Are you still
there right now?
Okay.
And a lot of
dismay.
Now, he's
calling you right
now.
I see him
calling.
And it's
ringing.
There's two
rings.
Call one through.
All right,
all right.
Hang on.
Okay, we're
ready to go
here.
Nothing like
cutting-edge
chaos radio.
All right.
I'm back.
Now, I don't
understand what
just happened
there.
Maybe Claude
can explain
it to us.
Yeah, well,
I think I
sort of did
that the
pad of
buttons that
you dial with
these days,
my suspicion
is that it's
got shorts
within it or
whatever, but
I can hear
myself,
something sounds
off about
it, and
then I
get, I
don't know
who I
talked with
a little
while ago,
it sounded
like her
native language
wasn't English
and probably
couldn't speak
English.
Well, to me,
it sounds like
you dialed a
wrong number.
Or the
phone interpreted
the buttons I
pushed that way.
when I get
caught off
again, and I'm
certain that I
will be,
please just
keep trying
repeatedly,
every 15
seconds until
you get
through.
That's what
people have
to do when
they use
these phones,
is they have
to keep
trying.
You know,
this happens
a lot to
NASA when
they're sending
astronauts around,
so we could
certainly deal
with it here.
Yeah, I
think we can
manage.
But anyway,
let's cover
anything else
that's happened
in the last
week or so.
Well, I
pretty much
got, I
dispensed
my news
stories.
I started
the story
about Justin
Peterson,
about Agent
Steele, he's
back in prison
now.
I think you
mentioned that
a couple
weeks back.
Mostly it
has something
to do with
his inability
to pay
restitution.
Really?
And I
heard rumors
that he's
going to be
out at the
end of
August,
specifically
August 24th.
That's what
I've heard.
Now, how
is this
possible that
he can go
in and out
of the
judicial system
and the
prison system
and, you
know, to
me, Kevin
still is
unheard,
untried,
you know,
anything?
Well, you'll
find when
you're a
federal informant
as he has
been, that
certain things
kind of go
your way,
even when
you do
everything
possible to
make sure
they don't.
And conversely,
everything isn't
going Kevin's
way when he
makes every
effort to
make things
go its way.
Okay.
How do you
feel about
trying to
take some
calls soon?
I feel great
about that.
I'm really
positive about
it.
I have that
concern,
a concern I
always have
week after
week, year
after year
actually, of
who the
first call
will be.
So, uh,
number 212-209-2900.
Claude, are you
ready to dive
into the
exciting world
of taking
listening to
phone calls?
Well, I think
your first
call is on
the air,
being polite.
Oh, okay.
Good evening.
You're on
the air.
Hi, I'm
there, y'all.
See, now, I've
had dreams, I've
had nightmares,
I've had
sessions with
psychiatrists about
this whole thing,
and it just, it's
not getting any
better, it's not
going away, it
just keeps
happening every
single time.
Okay, let's
just do it.
Hi, what's up?
What's going on?
Yeah, I just
had some
questions.
I was wondering,
do you remember
when the, uh, the
Russians was, the
Soviet Union back in
the 70s and 80s?
I was wondering.
No, but I've
heard rumors that
it was called
that once.
Why, when you
used to be trying
to call Russia,
the Soviet Union,
the old Soviet
Union, you used
to have to delay,
you used to have
to wait eight
hours, now you
can call direct.
Why is that?
Why was that?
Well, it was
because there
were only a
certain number of
circuits open to
the country, and
you had to sort
of wait in line.
I think if you
want to relive old
times, you can
try calling Cuba,
and you'll have to
go through the same
thing right now.
And it's usually,
on our end.
I believe Cuba
wants to get all
kinds of phone
calls from us,
but we only let
about a dozen
at a time go
through.
I always thought
that it was like
you had to wait
for a KGB agent
to listen to the
phone calls or
something.
No, it wasn't
anything like
that.
I'm sure there
was a lot of
that going around,
but it was because
the traffic between
the two countries
was very limited.
There were some
countries, for
instance, like
Albania, where you
used to not be able
to call there at
all.
There's just no
way to call there.
I went to Canada
once and was able
to place my first
phone call to
Albania from Canada.
That's what you
had to do if you
wanted to connect
to that country.
I believe to this
day you cannot
call North Korea,
but why don't you
go get on the
phone and try
calling North Korea
and get back to
us with your results.
They have a country
code, I think.
Well, okay.
Let's call the
operator and answer.
What I'd like you
to do is try to get
through to North Korea
and tell us your
results.
Okay.
Can you handle that?
Can you do that?
Yes, yes.
Okay.
Next week I want to
hear some results.
Okay.
I'd also just like to
say, when you call a
busy single now, you
get this little voice,
the annoying voice.
The line is busy,
but 9x, they still
say 9x, 9x, and by
the way, 9x is now a
messenger service.
9x is now a
messenger service?
What does that mean?
No, there's a
messenger service called
9x.
It's all the same way.
In New York City,
yeah.
That's interesting.
Anyway, yeah, the
busy signal message is
very annoying to a lot
of people, especially
with automatic redial
because it kind of
messes the whole thing
up.
Yeah.
One of the things
that I always didn't
like is how, I don't
know if you noticed
this, Emmanuel, is
when anytime I've
dialed a wrong number,
it's never busy.
They always answer.
They always pick up.
Do you have any
reason why that
happens?
Every time I've
dialed a wrong
number, it's never
been busy.
Tell me something.
How would you know
a wrong number
busy?
Well, I'm just
saying, every time
I've actually...
How would you be
able to tell?
This is 9x.
The number you've
called, which is
wrong, by the way,
is busy.
Yeah, well, it
never has a wrong
number been busy,
and I'm like, oh,
I'll try it back
later, and it
rings.
There's always
someone there.
They're always
upset with me.
It's always 3 o'clock
in the morning.
Anyways, that's my
two cents I thought I
had.
I just also like
to ask, why when
you listen to
Unreal Audio, like
some of the older
shows, like on the
archive, when you
want to go to the
end or the middle,
you have to wait.
I mean, I've gone
to Real Audio
pieces that you
just go to the
end and it goes
right through.
It depends how
you're listening to
it.
How are you
listening to it?
Through Windows
95.
Okay.
If you have a
very slow machine,
you might have a
problem with that.
If you just
listen through the
Real Audio player
rather than the
browser.
No, no.
I'm listening through
the Real Audio
player.
Okay.
I'd have to see the
exact show to be
able to diagnose
that.
Some systems are so
slow, though, that
you have to load
things.
It takes a long
time.
You have the
HTTP stream, and
other people have
the Real Audio
stream, the special
stream that's fast
or something.
Again, if you
have specifics, we
can look into that
off-air.
Okay.
Thanks for the
call.
All right.
12-209-2900 is
our phone number.
You're listening to
Off the Hook.
Emanuel here,
driving in
California, and
Bill there in
New York.
I'm just a little
worried that we're
getting lost.
The bridge.
Okay.
There's a certain
bridge we have to
make sure we hit,
otherwise we're
doing.
Anyway, let's
take another
listener phone call.
Good evening.
You're on the
air.
Emanuel, hey.
How are you
doing?
Hey, it's good to
hear your voice all
the way out here.
Yeah, all the
way.
So, let's see.
So, it's like 530
there, right?
And who's the
host?
Yeah, 536.
Who's the host
tonight?
What's his first
name?
You made a
mistake.
Oh, no.
Okay, my mic's
back on.
I'm sorry.
My name's
Phillip.
Phillip, right.
You said Emanuel
was 2,000 miles
away from
California.
Obviously, there's
3,000.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I don't want to
sound like a
satire of your
first caller, but
unless Emanuel is
doing it covertly
from the, you
know, the
underground ICBM
headquarters or
something, he's
3,000 miles away.
He's actually in
the next room.
This is a big
farce.
We've put over
5,000 miles on a
total of three
rental cars now, and
of course, it all
counts to one rental
car because, well, two
of them went out of
commission, but it's
all unlimited mileage,
and it's part of this
amazing, it's sort of
like the unlimited soda
thing that they have
at various facets.
It's fine.
But I really regret
having started this
whole deal in the
first place.
It's fine for the
end of the call with
you.
I haven't spoken
to you in ages.
No, we just have a
camera crew here, and
we're going around
getting footage and
documentation and all
kinds of things.
Anyway, seriously,
heck, could you guys
not mention the
story of the week,
AT&T?
My uncle showed me
in the New York
Post, and it was
also in the Daily
News, starting a
$3-a-person search
launch starting in
January, unless you
can verify you're a
low-income person.
I heard this
yesterday.
What?
I heard this
yesterday for the
first time, and it
struck me as really
bad, really nasty,
and really typical
of the way things
are going these
days.
Do you think
AT&T will be
charging $3 a
month for everybody
no matter how many
calls they make?
Yeah, even if you
make no calls at all,
unless you can prove
by some process that
would make Ronald
Reagan make sense
that you're low-income
and God knows all the
privacy stuff you give
to the phone company.
Okay, you see,
here's the difference.
This is not a
government-imposed fee.
This is an AT&T-imposed
fee.
Right, but no one's
fighting it.
It's like a done deal.
Yeah, okay, fine.
Let them have their
$3 fee, but everybody
can avoid this $3 fee
by simply switching
to another phone
company.
But I'm saying
they're probably going
to all, you know,
in a collusion but
legally non-collusion
way, all eventually,
you know, have it.
Don't you think?
It's possible, but,
you know, I don't
think that really makes
much good business
sense.
Well, last thing.
I haven't listened
to the show since
I spoke to you last
when you were planning
the Miramax rally,
and I'll just give
advice to hackers who
may not be into
this sort of thing.
Never mix psychiatric
medication with
codeine, contact,
and alcohol, but I'm
back.
And I wanted to ask
you how the rally
went.
The rally went
quite well.
Are you making
the movie?
Well, we didn't meet
anybody famous, but we
met a lot of cool
people that showed up
for the rally.
No, I'm saying
you're making a
documentary now, I
hear.
We're making a
documentary, yes.
We decided, they
inspired us so much
that we decided to
set up our own
cameras.
You have to show
either film form or
cinema village east,
right?
Well, we'll try.
Let's see.
Oh, and Manuel,
you're giving
Claude a nervous
break, and I can
hear he's getting
real tense.
Maybe he needs
some gong show
or some shiatsu.
How did you know
that?
Good talking to you
and you guys take
care, and I'm
just kidding
around.
Bye-bye.
Okay, take care.
Bye-bye.
I'm trying to feel
better.
To go back to
that AT&T story,
the reason why
they're charging
$3 a month no
matter what is
because they're
trying to make
up for the
people who don't
make any long
distance calls at
all.
This is the story
that I read.
Okay, explain
something to me
then.
How do these
people who don't
make any long
distance phone
calls at all
cost them any
money?
They're not using
their service, so
how could they be
costing them any
money?
They said they
have to make up
for these people
that don't make
phone calls, but
it doesn't make
any sense.
It's like raising
the cost of red
because not
everybody buys
it.
Yeah, yeah.
It doesn't make
sense.
We're raising the
cost of something
because we're not
selling enough of
it.
Except it makes
less sense because
this is not
something tangible.
AT&T has plenty
of customers.
If you're not
using their phone
lines, then you're
not costing them
anything.
I mean, what?
Are they going to
go out and
discharge people who
don't use their
service?
It's an
interesting
marketing
technique.
You'll get a
non-use bill.
Like, you know,
thank you for not
using AT&T, I
suppose.
I don't know what
to say about that.
I just can't
imagine what
they're thinking.
It's another one
of these bone
headed maneuvers.
All right.
Well, you think
we're ready for
another call?
I'm ready.
How about you?
Okay.
We've got a load
of them.
Here's the next.
All right.
Good evening.
You're on
off the hook.
Hey, Emmanuel.
How are you
doing?
Good.
How are you
calling?
Where are you
calling from?
Staten Island.
on caller ID
boxes, of
sending, say,
improper
information.
I'm sorry.
Caller ID
boxes what?
Sending, per
say, improper
information or
false information
or other
information.
Well, they've
been known to
send garble
information.
Are you saying
to send false
information?
Yeah.
Well, I mean,
that involves
somehow getting
the data that
gets sent over
there to be
forged in a
different way.
There are ways
of, you know,
sending misleading
data, but I've
yet to see
somebody actually
hack the
system and
send false
information
intentionally over
that system.
You know, I
suppose you can
hit star 67 to
avoid, you know,
caller ID.
Oh, you'll
get, that'll
simply result in
a private number
being sent.
Yeah, yeah.
But it's
involved with
the switch itself
where that's
where the data
gets sent,
correct?
Yeah, I mean,
you're able to
do things.
Like, here's a
trick that I learned
in the early days
of caller ID.
If you call a
number that's
busy and you
hit star 69 so
that it calls you
back, star 69,
I'm sorry, star 66,
it'll call you back
when it's not busy
anymore.
On your caller ID
box, their number
will appear as if
they're calling you
when they never
called you at all.
They just hung up
the phone and
they're not busy
anymore.
That's, yeah,
that's a low
takeaway of, you
know, sending
false information
in a sense.
I mean, information
is real, that's
how it's being sent
over.
But I'll tell you
something, using the
phones out here, using
the PCS phones, I'm
using both GSM and
CDMA, everybody who
calls me, everybody
has caller ID now.
I mean, nobody
blocks it anymore.
So it's really, it's
almost a non-issue.
Caller ID seems to
have been completely
accepted by people in
this country.
Yeah.
All right, Emmanuel,
thank you very much.
All right, thanks for
the call.
212-209-2900.
And I'm crossing,
what's the name of
this bridge anyway?
It's not, it's not the
Bay Bridge.
San Rafael Bridge I'm
crossing right now at
this moment.
Oh my goodness.
If anybody's on the
San Rafael Bridge, which
heads to Oakland and
Berkeley, please give a
beep or whatever and,
you know, I'll wave or
something like that.
So I'm here on my PCS
phone, talking right now
on my Sprint PCS phone,
and Phil's back there in
New York.
And do we have another
call on the line?
Right now.
I was just curious,
actually not curious,
I just wanted to say
shout out to Kevin,
happy birthday, Kevin
Mitnick.
I know a terrible way to
spend your birthday in
jail.
And I was just curious
to wonder if anybody
has heard or seen from
Pam since the last
time.
Okay, someone, hey,
Claude, I think that's
a manual.
Claude and his
melodies over there.
It's been rough.
So, Claude, our
instructions were to
call every 15 seconds on
that first number.
So, Claude, go for it.
Let's see here.
You know, Claude, we
could call up the
operator and ask the
operator dial it.
That'd be pretty funny,
you know, on the air.
We'll see how Claude does.
So, anyways, folks, I
want to say thank you
for bearing through the
show.
It's certainly been the
most excitement I've had
all week.
It's only Tuesday.
All right.
Claude is putting the
phone to his ear.
One ring?
Okay.
One ring.
One ring.
Okay.
One ring.
Uh-huh.
The PCS is temporarily
not in service.
See, the PCS is temporarily
not in service.
That, that...
He's calling me now, and
it's on his other phone.
Okay.
What's up?
Hello.
Yeah, hi.
We just called...
Well, we just called you,
and it seems that your
phone is temporarily out
of service.
We're calling again right
now.
He has a signal now, so
if you call now, you
should be able to get a
hold of him.
All right.
Claude is furiously...
His finger's bleeding.
He's dialing so quick.
I've never seen anything
like it.
All right.
So, we're going to try
to get a hold of Emmanuel,
okay?
Okay.
Well, I don't...
You know, let's...
Hold on for a second here.
You know, we could try it
and see if he comes up.
All right.
You know what?
Go ahead and try to talk,
and I'm going to see if
you come over the microphone.
Do you want to go ahead
and try this?
All right.
Emmanuel?
Okay.
I think we got him
on the other one.
Emmanuel.
Wait.
Hello?
Put him on the air.
Do you speak English?
Claude's dialed the number,
and it's...
No, no.
Sorry.
Claude is dialing the phone,
and apparently Hector
is talking to you now.
Who is Hector,
and why isn't he on the air?
I really think we should
put Hector on the air.
Put him on the air.
He has a five-bar signal
right now, Claude.
Okay.
And he's dialing again.
I certainly have to say,
this will be in the best ever.
I don't know what other
way to say this,
but it's like there are
shorts inside this phone,
because I can hear.
This is not a normal dual tone.
Yeah.
But yeah,
I'll call the operator.
We're having phone problems,
it seems.
I'll call the operator,
see if I can do it this way.
Right.
Well, he's dialing the number,
and he can actually hear
the shorts.
Do you want to...
I mean,
well, no,
if...
I don't think he could call us.
If he were to call us,
we wouldn't know
which line he's on,
and we have a lot of people
trying to call in.
Well,
Claude,
is it possible for us
to take calls
while you dial out
and do things?
I was going to say,
why don't we take a...
I'll tell you what,
I'll give you a call
for air purposes now.
Well...
Although I don't know,
Emanuel's not going to...
Emanuel...
Oh, wait,
I've got an operator,
although not on the air.
Emanuel has an operator,
he has an operator right now.
I'm having trouble
with my telephone.
Well,
she's going to dial the phone.
Here's the phone number,
all right?
Okay.
Okay.
All right,
Claude,
hang up with the operator,
Claude.
Hang up.
Right,
all right.
Go through it.
Okay,
Claude,
go through every single line
until we get a hold of him.
He's calling us right now.
And apologize to all of them
as we hang up.
Hello,
Emanuel?
Next,
go,
keep going.
All right.
I'm going to try this one last.
Emanuel,
is that you?
Okay,
keep going.
Emanuel,
Emanuel?
Oh!
Put him on the air,
quick!
All right.
Emanuel.
I have two cellular phones
and one on each other
and I look like a total dork
driving in a car now.
Getting dirty looks
from everybody.
You sound kind of different.
I do?
Well,
it's me.
It really is.
I hate no things.
Wait,
no,
no,
no,
no,
can you prove it to you?
You sound really different
right now.
How do I sound?
Well,
now you're starting.
Okay,
you had a little bit
of robot voice.
It's something.
That's that
PCS feature
I was telling you about.
Is that extra?
How much extra
did someone have to pay
to get something?
I don't know.
I haven't seen the bill yet.
But I think
I've crossed the bridge.
That was a very long bridge.
I've never seen quite
a long bridge before.
And I guess
they didn't have
transmitters in the middle of it.
So that's why
I lost you.
Well,
let me just tell you
right now,
I've never heard you
sound quite like this.
you certainly don't
sound like you.
No,
no,
some people might say
that's an improvement.
Actually,
you sound like
you're in a dentist chair
and I'm just about
to do a root canal
on yours.
Well,
now,
let me just
first start by
expressing my
sincere condolences
to all the people
we had to hang up on
just now
to get back on.
Yeah.
Now,
Claude,
is it possible
to transfer him
to the VIP line
so we can take
other calls?
By chance.
Well,
Claude needs to get
on the mic.
By chance,
it is on the VIP line.
Oh,
it is on the VIP line.
Okay,
we can take calls.
It just automatically
came in on the VIP line,
eh?
Well,
it's just,
any event,
you're there.
Let's be thankful.
Yes,
I'm very thankful.
All right.
212-209-2900,
you're listening
to an unusual edition
of Off the Hook.
It's the manual.
Right now,
entering Berkeley
on the 580.
Yeah,
I was the other thing.
You know,
here in California,
they refer to road numbers
with the word done
in front of it.
The,
the Route 66?
Every road has done
for us.
I'm on the 580 now.
The 580.
I think I could never say
I'm on the 95.
and say I'm on I-95
or something like that.
So,
there's all these
cultural differences
that cannot possibly
resolve
or break the credit.
Okay.
Well,
you certainly,
you sound like,
this is going to go down
in history.
Yeah,
you sound like
you're in the dentist's chair here.
So,
turn and stick.
Why would I sound
any different
if I was in a dentist's chair?
That doesn't make any sense.
Well,
you have cotton stuck
in your mouth
or something like that
or you're getting
some type of surgery
or I don't know.
You sound,
well,
I guess when you get back
you'll hear the show
and you'll understand the chaos.
I'm afraid.
I'm afraid of this one.
Yeah.
The reason we're doing
the show this way
is because
a lot of things
happen at once.
We had to do an interview
up north
and we had to drive back here
to get our cameraman
to the airport in time.
His time leaves
about an hour and a half or so.
So,
yeah,
there's a lot of running around
that we have to do
and the only way
I could do the show
is if I did the show
from my phone
in my car.
Well,
next time...
That's just the way
it has to be.
Well,
yeah,
we certainly weren't prepared
for this
so I apologize as well.
Alright,
do you want to try
to take another call?
I haven't been any
other earthquakes either.
I keep missing
all the tremors.
Yeah,
let's take another call.
212-209-2900.
Alright.
Your name,
you're on.
Off the hook.
Hello?
Yeah,
go ahead.
Oh,
I'm on?
Yeah,
you're on.
You're on right now.
Oh,
okay.
This is Jack the Ripper
or whatever.
Do you remember me,
Phil?
Sure.
Oh,
yeah,
go on.
I could just forget
Jack the Ripper.
Come on.
I remember you
about England
killing a bunch of ladies
a couple hundred years ago.
Yeah.
Where are you calling
from tonight,
Jack?
Kansas City.
Wow.
Kansas City.
You know,
we were in Kansas City.
We passed right through
both of them,
in fact.
Kansas City,
Missouri,
and Kansas City,
too.
Yeah,
no,
it kind of,
um,
I was at Ausfest
that day,
though,
you guys,
you guys came
the same day
as Ausfest,
yeah.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
Quite a place you got there.
Quite a city.
Quite a couple of cities.
Yeah,
quite a couple of cities.
So are you listening
over real audio right now?
Yeah,
yeah,
I've been trying
to get on for weeks.
Wow.
I've got on.
Excellent,
excellent.
You know,
just to add fun
to this whole thing,
I'm about to run out of gas.
No,
I'm looking at the gas gauge now.
It's well below E,
but our exit is only
two miles away,
so hopefully we'll make it.
I'm on the IRC.
Everybody's wondering,
everybody's saying,
where's fiber?
Where's fiber?
I mean,
well,
let's,
let's see.
Well,
I'm the last person
to ask about that.
I'm out here in San Francisco.
I don't see him.
Not here,
I can tell you that much.
I don't see him in the studio.
Yeah.
Now all these people
are asking me to give shout-outs.
Oh,
I've got to say one thing,
though.
Every week,
except it seems like this week,
there's an after show
on Telefreak's server
for Off the Hook
and just want to get
everybody's listening to,
and now that's there
because it's really cool.
Yeah.
People are broadcasting things
after Off the Hook
on their servers,
which is kind of neat.
They'll start a whole
radio network
and have all kinds of programs,
which I think
would be kind of cool.
Yeah.
Pretty cool.
A lot of people,
I remember,
like,
I used to stream,
in fact,
and hopefully I'm still
streaming right now,
did some interesting shows.
You know,
my CD collection
was pretty barren.
My ex-girlfriend
seemed to take off
with most of the CDs,
so it was the one CD show.
But I think
that's great.
I think this is going
to be the way
radio is going to be
in a few years.
A lot of people
playing what they want
to hear
and, you know,
people just going around
surfing,
hearing what they want
to hear.
Speaking of the future,
this is something
I almost forgot to mention
and I think it's
very important.
A lot of us
back on the East Coast
are playing on
cable modems
and, you know,
getting higher speeds
through there.
Out here on the West Coast,
the big thing is DSL,
something that we've been
talking about for a while,
something that has not yet
come to the Atlantic Territory.
People are using it here
and the good thing
about DSL,
not only do you get
high speeds,
there's lots of competition,
lots of independent ISPs
are offering DSL.
I can't find anything
around here.
I've been looking
around DSL.
Well, the cable modems
are, you know,
basically run by
the cable companies
and you have to play
by their rules
and live under
their tyrannies.
DSL is different
in that the same people
that are giving you
internet access now
are able to give you
DSL under whatever
conditions you want.
It's a bit pricier
than cable modems
right now.
It's $150,
I think.
But that's for
a 24-7 connection
and you can run
servers off
and do all kinds
of other things.
Yeah, I just switched
ISPs a month or two
ago to one that
I haven't even noticed
many people with it.
It's called like WANs,
Web of America Networks
owned by 3Com,
you know,
U.S. Robotics.
It's kind of an,
I mean, that's what's
not too great about it,
but it works really,
you know,
really good access.
And, uh,
okay.
Emmanuel,
were you hanging out
with Mackie
a little bit ago?
I don't know for sure
what everybody's name was.
He was,
I don't want to
talk about you.
You know, whatever.
Oh, okay.
I just had to cut
somebody off.
Sorry about that.
Oh.
I hung out
with so many people.
I don't even know
who I hung out with
anymore.
I just want to say
it's all been
a lot of fun.
That's cool.
All right.
Well, thanks for the call.
We're going to try
to squeeze in.
Claude, how many more
calls do you think
we can get in here?
Oh, at least a couple more.
Maybe two more calls.
What do we have,
like six minutes or so left?
You've got to call
on the line now.
Okay.
Hello.
Hello.
How you doing?
Calling from Nassau County.
I'm doing good.
I'm calling from Nassau County.
Two quick questions.
Oh, sure.
Is there any way
to get a regular operator
from an OmniPoint phone?
A regular operator
from an OmniPoint phone?
That's a really good question.
What kind of operator
would you like?
In other words,
if I want to do
call verification,
like if I want to call home
and see if my line's busy
being someone talking on
or if it's just off the hook,
I keep getting
an OmniPoint operator,
but I can never get
like a, you know,
like a Bell Atlantic operator
or whatever.
Well, there's one way
you could do it,
but I don't think
you could afford it.
You have to call
1-800-CALL-822.
Oh, okay.
And ask them to do
a long-distance verification
for you,
and that's probably
going to run
about seven or eight bucks.
Not worth it.
You're going to go
to a pay phone, right?
If you go to a pay phone,
they're still going
to charge you a lot,
but it'll probably
be a Bell Atlantic operator
and they won't charge you
as much.
Okay.
One other quick one?
Yeah.
Think about the caller ID
that you said.
When you call,
if I call star 66,
I get the person's number
on my caller ID, right?
What do they get
on their caller ID?
It depends
if you have
star 67 set or not.
If you call them
and you're blocking
the caller ID,
they'll get private numbers.
Oh, they will?
Yeah.
If you're not blocking
the caller ID,
then they'll get
the number.
Just like any other call.
What if they have
all-call block?
I mean,
they're not going to get it
if that line is busy,
obviously.
Right.
But if they have
call waiting,
they'll get it
on their call waiting
because a lot of people
have that service now.
I see.
Okay, great.
Thanks very much.
Okay.
Talk to you soon.
Okay, next call?
I have to make
a really tight
U-turn here.
Okay.
If you don't hear
from me for a while,
it's because I'm
busy doing that.
Actually, I just
got a red light.
All right.
How are you doing, guys?
Hey.
I'm out in the
middle of Brooklyn.
I have an interesting
experience lately
with what the FCC
calls line seizure,
machines that you
can't hang up on.
Uh-huh.
Apparently, the ones
who are doing it
are all these
illegal mortgage
bankers who are
actually just trying
to steal money
from people.
What exactly are
they doing?
What do you mean
by that?
You get a long
message, maybe a
five to ten minute
message trying to
get you to call
them back.
Yeah.
To leave your number
for them to call
you back.
Yeah.
And then they try
to get you to
send the money.
Uh-huh.
And the way you
can identify them
is that their
machines will not
be hung up on,
which is a violation
of FCC regulations
on line seizure,
which is what I've
been in touch
with them on.
Uh-huh.
And the only other
people who are
doing this is
Mark Green's
sanitorial campaign,
who also have a
machine that can't
be hung up on.
Wow.
That's interesting.
I'd like to know
more about these
machines.
I would think in
most cases it's
not the machine,
but rather it's
the phone connection
itself.
In other words,
I don't think
there's a machine
that you connect.
Uh-oh.
Hang on.
This blue turn
isn't working out
quite the way I
wanted it to.
You know,
it's basically
the phone connection
for some reason
is in closing.
I don't think
there's a machine
you can buy
that will keep
the line open.
Well,
what their
regulation says
is line seizure
by automatic
telephone dialing
systems,
which deliver
a recorded message,
must release
the called party's
telephone line
within five seconds
of the time
notification is
transmitted that
the called party
is hung up.
So apparently
there are kinds
of auto dialers
that refuse to
recognize the
hang-up signal.
Right,
but even in
those cases,
you cannot hold
the line for more
than, say,
10 or 15 seconds
before the phone
switch itself
will disconnect you.
I've left them
off for a full
three minutes.
And they're still
there?
They're still there
when you pick
back up.
That's something
that I think
you're in
Bell Atlantic
territory?
Yeah,
Bell Atlantic.
It sounds like
a Bell Atlantic
problem.
I mean,
I'd like to
know of a
machine that
could do that.
I don't think
it's possible
to have a
machine that
will keep
your line open
on a regular
phone line.
The Mark
Green message
is only 30
seconds long,
but that's
still six times
as long as
they're supposed
to be allowed
to hold it.
So you say
it's not in
the auto dialer,
it's actually
in the connection.
I think it is.
And, you know,
if you're getting
the same one
all the time,
then it's
probably because
there's something
wrong between
that CL
and your CL.
But there's
like five or
ten of these
illegal companies,
all of whom
have different
names and
different, you
know, people
working for them
that all are
impossible.
Does the number
show up on your
caller ID?
I don't have
caller ID,
but it's not
even traceable.
The trace can't
be made successfully
if you're
all star 5-7.
Well, guys,
I hate to cut
this short,
but it seems
like we're just
about out of
time.
I'll email you
about it.
Okay.
Emmanuel, any
closing words
before you hit
the side of a
car or something
like that?
Okay, I'm not
in danger of that
because I've just
arrived at my
destination.
Oh, excellent.
I stopped the
car now and I'm
actually standing
in the street.
Great.
And I'm sorry
to have to put
everybody through
that, but I
think it was
educational.
It was a bit
fun.
Oh, yeah.
It only shaved
off ten years
off Claude's life,
but that's okay.
Anyway, we'll
be back next
week with more
information about
the whole
McNair case and
the takedown
film and I'm
sure we'll
have a lot
more of
things to
share.
Until then,
Emmanuel
Loves team
for Phil.
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Good night.
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