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and this is off the hook with emmanuel goldstein emmanuel are you there
and hello and it seems like it's going to be a
uh sequel to last week just when you thought it couldn't get any better or worse
it only gets uh more exciting here in cutting edge radio so well tonight we're going to have
emmanuel on shortly after we clear up some of the uh the minor bells and whistles that seem to be
going uh my friend isaac is here tonight isaac is your mic on i believe it is yes it is fantastic
so at least this week we can have uh someone besides myself pulling my hair out well besides claude it
is entertaining to watch claude freak out like right now he's hand motions and all that other
stuff so let's start off with some news real quick isaac do you have any uh thing that you know
besides uh me know anything or no besides any presidential uh splurges here or there or maybe
i've been all conspiracied out so far as clinton yeah there's a couple stories involving
technologies one of the first ones um
uh i think uh last week the week before we mentioned this or maybe it was even in like 2600
the magazine a lot of people use geo cities you've heard of them right yes i have and a lot of people
like them for which reason well privacy oh of course free web space i i personally enjoy the banners
that they force you to display as well as that like spiffy little uh gentlemen i think we have
a manual without feedback oh my are you there manual are you there well it seems like he's trying
to call me right now all right well oh i think he's here anyway manual so let me uh yeah isaac you
know what go ahead and read the geocities story let me uh get to the phone let's see yeah hi are you
still on the line federal regulators thursday charged geocities or geocities it's your pick there
a a popular internet destination that hosts free websites misled its two million members by
secretly selling personal information about them to marketers the federal trade commission in its
first internet privacy case said geocities or geocities are you i don't even know how to pronounce
it but anyway uh had agreed to advertise customers to advise customers of its true data collection
practices and allow them to delete previously gathered data uh the ftc the ftc said geocities
uh released personal details about its customers to advertisers in violation of its own promises
now that that's really fun um
okay this this company just starts giving out personal information about their their customers
uh the ftc said the company had stated that without permission it wouldn't release information
about a person's education income marital status occupation and personal interests now my question is
why does this company have all this information and why would an individual actually voluntarily supply
it to them well i guess uh i guess uh i guess my microphone is on now uh well maybe it's still not
oh well okay no no my microphone's on we got to be violating some fcc thing here this is just
bad anyways yeah well every time i've used geocities i've never actually put my real name my real
information actually i don't put my real name or real information on anything but i guess the people who did and
were trying to play by the rules really had to suffer so um i don't know i wonder how much money
they made off of all this and if they plan to reimburse their customers or i seriously doubt it
two million customers all together two million okay well i think we our phone problems are resolved and
i think uh a manual is going to be on the air claude has lost about 20 years of life in my presence over
the last couple weeks am i am i here yeah yeah used to be no it's it's really not that hard
a thing to make a phone call one of these weeks we'll get it right well you know i think you're
well i don't know we're almost there are he still there i'm standing at a payphone down here in
alabama yeah i don't know if it came across the first time but we had all kinds of like weird bai
sounds i'm sure it came across the air if there was anything weird going on
oh boy if anyone has a phone system for us please just drop it off at the studio
use it um yeah i'm standing here in a in an exxon station down in uh evergreen alabama
which uh i'm not here for any particular reason it's just where i have to stop on the road because
that's what time it is right now uh last week i was in berkeley so you have a sense as to the
kind of driving i've been doing um along with uh camera crew at all and uh we've seen quite a few
interesting things along the way so uh what have you seen i guess i'll dare to ask have you seen
anything interesting in alabama uh well um not really there's there's no coverage here of any
sort for uh for pcs either by the sprint omni point or or bell south or anything like that
uh so i have to have to use a payphone and uh you know there's not much else you know there's
there's roads towns things like that i'm sure the people are nice too but i'm trying to get through
the state as quickly as possible to be honest i i agree are you going to be heading back up after this
well uh that's that's the general plan although um we're right now our goal is atlanta uh atlanta
georgia way up north uh and um we were going to uh visit the folks over at the um the take down
set but i don't know if you've been following the news uh it seems that the um the hurricane uh is
making a beeline for the set yeah at this point in time in fact it's estimated that it will reach
and destroy the set by sometime tomorrow and uh that's that's something that causes me concern
because you know it's not like that's something we wanted to have happen and i fear that one of
the listeners or one of these uh subscribers or somebody may have called upon almighty allah or
christ or whatever to rain forth upon these people with all kinds of uh venom and i just like
to stress at this point that that's not what we meant to do that's not exactly how i want things
to turn out hacking the divine is uh something i'm not sure that we're all that uh yes capable of
well last week i read a story about the pope was getting uh and the vatican was getting online
services maybe they liked the new story and they thought they'd do us a favor but i don't know if
bonnie is the right way to show appreciation i don't either um very masculine well no it can't be
masculine but you know i i don't really quake at uh well now here's here's the thing here's the thing
i don't think a lot of people realize this i fear that that the takedown people aren't taking this
seriously um the hurry if you look at the map you know if you look at the news reports you will see
the eye of the hurricane you'll see the direction it's heading for you will see a little dot that
indicates takedown being produced there that is where it is heading yeah perhaps they should take
this as a bad omen well no i'm just trying to to warn the people in advance because i'm pretty
certain they listen to us down there on real audio yeah and uh we do not wish ill upon them and we want
them to be safe so for god's sake this is kind of like the scene in twister where the rival gangs of
twister watchers are trying to warn each other this is the big one well this is the big one okay they
they were looking at this thing and they saw another hurricane contained within this hurricane and they
say they've never seen that before and if that's not enough for you hurricane bonnie bonnie is the name
of kevin mitnick's ex-wife oh now that's the metaphor just could not be more perfect for me
so i think uh i think we better start taking this seriously now shimamora gets injured by a flying
garbage can lid yeah that could still happen yeah we don't even need mitnick in the in the scene
anymore no no this has all the real makings of a huge hollywood uh film now we have twister you have
you have all the violence and racism it could be like a schindler's list going on yeah it could be all
kinds of things yeah yeah are you okay i think uh are you all right am i okay yeah yeah i was just
being talked to by by somebody oh okay yeah thought maybe you got hit over the head or something no
i'm fine i'm fine taken away from uh your payphone privileges there or something uh so what else is
going on in your travels well let's see uh we traveled through um nevada stopped in in reno which
is kind of like an imitation las vegas doesn't do a very good job at it it's pretty depressing it's
pretty depressing it's very depressing in fact um you know how las vegas is very hot well reno is
kind of cold and in more ways than one actually uh so uh we zipped on through there went into utah
which is an interesting state um visited the folks over at novelle and uh headed down to denver
and met some uh striking u.s west workers and uh that was kind of interesting too talking to
striking telephone company workers yeah they're on uh strike right now in yeah denver uh 35 000 of
them are striking well we didn't see 35 000 of them but uh denver is where u.s west is headquartered
and they're striking all throughout i think 14 states where u.s west operates but snet southern
area telephone has also gone out i was going to mention that yes and um you see this kind of thing
happen quite a bit because um these companies are being downsized uh the workers are are being treated
rather poorly and after a while you know it just kind of overflows people uh can't take it anymore
actually i was listening to an ad on uh a connecticut uh connecticut radio station that i got out on the
island where uh snet actually bought a 30 second spot where they're talking about oh well the the
the union is being unreasonable snet has for the past hundred and something years which i find like
really strange but uh been absolutely in favor of uh worker rights and yada yada yada uh and then
they mentioned the hurricane that's incoming and how they're preparing despite the horrible labor
shortages uh for the uh in uh impending doom that this hurricane would possibly bring to connecticut
meanwhile us on the island are most likely going to get harder hit but well you know it'd be nice if
the union people could afford to take out ads as well that's true that's what i found the most
interesting to speak their piece and it's good it goes to show you what they spend our money on
because that is our money that's being used for these advertisements not necessarily our money
i don't use snet well okay but uh some of our listeners do that's true people in southern
england and it's you know other phone companies operate exactly the same way too and it's something
that you have to uh keep an eye on i'm ever hearing all kinds of uh complaints about all kinds
of different phone companies since we've been passing from state to state of course the biggest
complaints are are being hurled at at&t for this new three dollar fee for not using their service
yeah and i'll tell you i won't be using their service anymore after after this kind of a thing
happens well i think it's about time that some of us start going on strike and not paying our
phone bills because like i've always said i say this i think uh more often uh you know once every
couple weeks i mention this i can't get local phone coverage in new jersey besides bell atlantic
and uh no one no one sees this as a monopoly no no one's upset i think i should go on strike but
unfortunately i do need to dial my phone and do need to get you know the occasional delivery of
food or something like that so i don't really have too much of a choice in the matter but i guess
like for my long distance i don't have to use at&t anymore but well there are options as far as long
distance goes and someday there will be options as far as local service goes it would be nice it really
would be so after that uh we um actually made it from uh from denver down to austin texas in one
sitting which is about 1100 miles and that's more than i've ever driven in my life that's a lot of
coffee i'm sorry that's a lot of coffee no actually it's no coffee because i'm not a coffee person oh
that's impressive yeah a lot of music and a lot of uh you know talk radio that gets you like yelling
back at the radio and keeping you awake that way uh so um there's no stations like bai even though
those places that that have pacifica stations they're just not the same i mean you know bai
is a very unique place and i wish i could get that station you know if somebody could invent
real audio for the car that would be the best thing because then i could i could you know take
the station with me wherever i go because i don't think there are going to be stations like bai around
the country anytime soon um there's certainly no shortage of right-wing talk shows on the am radio
they're kind of amusing to listen to but you know i'd sure like to hear the other side represented just now
and then um you know it's funny that you mentioned that there's a story that just came out a couple
days ago uh stating that there's more radio on the net than on the air oh really and well it's
it's going that way that's how they uh the headline read um it says hankering to hear some country uh
folk or some bluegrass from the chet republic like a taste of mohawk indian radio well tune into the web
and then you can get your own hometown radio station um you know the article basically stated that
there's a book available right now for twenty dollars called from uh international broadcasting
services limited that has uh the passport to world band radio and it pretty much lists i mean a lot of
our listeners here and uh a lot of our listeners of course on real audio know that there's other
um real audio stations out there even after the show that we do there's people who play cds and
have uh you know all sorts of uh fun and talk over the the the music right but uh there's it seems
that because there's not a lot of wbis out there because there's not a lot of you know interesting
radio all over the country people are using their computers and turning into you know uh whatever
uh you know jazz stations in in from to newark new jersey to you know uh in mohawk indian music out
in arizona or something like that so i i think that's you know within the next couple years where
as uh access rates get quicker i think people are going to be listening to the web more than they
will their own radio they're just going to search for stations that they like i'd like to see how
the fcc is going to try to move in and control that that'd be very interesting uh being that uh
hmm they don't actually sell any of this uh so far as uh blocks of air um i was reading a story
recently that uh a number of a large chunk of the spectrum that was sold to smaller companies uh the
smaller companies didn't pay up so uh the fcc decided to take the frequencies back and uh try
and resell them as like 10.8 million dollars that they were in the hole so they're going to reclaim
that most likely with another pay phone tax or something well i'm sure they'll they'll figure
a way to charge like companies like real audio or something like that some type of weird tax that
you know that's that's why we have to get involved and and you know maintain a stronghold on these
technologies before something like that happens i mean look at how quickly micro broadcasting was
wiped out and it was wiped out stations are off the air in new york philadelphia uh berkeley all
out of the place they've just been silenced you know we're talking about 50 watt radio stations that
were simply providing alternative services and this is what the fcc looks upon as the biggest threat you
know the biggest threat should be uh multinational corporations that own every single radio station
in a particular market that's a real threat no they make a profit off of that so that that's not a
threat to the fcc well no but uh they they see that and the american public supports this they
they see them as as uh you know serving their interests by by keeping these monopolies going
and it's time that uh that other people grab some technology and show what we can do with it
that's that's a perfect opportunity for things like real audio and the internet definitely definitely
i wonder if most you know maybe it's just the the market share shifting maybe most americans don't
want to hear um you know uh talk radio or maybe they don't want to hear uh caribbean music maybe
they only want to hear the same ten songs over and over i'm not sure i mean i i've well you know
you've been all over so you you probably know all cd here's the thing that they're not being asked if
they want to hear the same ten songs over and over again what's happening is they're hearing the
same ten songs over and over again and then they're being you know uh they're being asked are
well are you unhappy and they're not unhappy because they've got their mcdonald's and they've got you know
they're you know they're they're weiser and you know tv and all that stuff yeah but you know it's
after a while it's um you know basically you get spoiled when you listen to stations like wbai when
you listen to alternative music of all sorts and when you just expand your mind then all of a sudden
you realize how much you're missing if you uh if you don't make the attempt to do that and what i
think uh is our obligation if we have access to technology and can spread it to people it's to uh to get the
word out is to tell people hey listen to the pacifica evening news on www.pacifica.org every
day you know you can do that any place you don't have to be in a bai or or any other pacifica stations
listening area you just click on the website and you hear a half hour of news that you do not hear
anyplace else you know hey i'm giving my uh my my begathon pitch oh and that's right don't call up and
and and pledge money because i don't think we're doing that well if they pledge now um i'm willing to
give away a free coffee cup uh there you go oh the phones are lighting up that's right that's
amazing unbelievable unbelievable i've got a styrofoam cup we're just so so into doing this
that we just do it on our own yeah that's right yeah we walk down the street collecting money
unbelievable uh what what's what else is in the news uh up there in the new york well you said
you're going to atlanta right yeah atlanta georgia and uh you see a lot of truckers on the road right
i see nothing but truckers you see nothing but truckers well you know what you're going to be seeing
more of them you know what they're going to be doing soon what's that they're going to be on the
internet while they're driving truckers on the internet truckers on the internet what does atlanta
have to do with it well this is where the story is based out of i think atlanta is a big hub of
truckers okay it was a good try to segue well i tried you mean they're going to be surfing the
web as they're passing well no maybe not necessarily like that but instead of using cbs and waiting
and phone calls they'll now punch up email rather than waiting by phone and uh they'll be using
global positioning systems and they'll be getting traffic advice all those things are supposedly
coming shortly uh it'll be reducing their costs they'll you know be able to go around uh the the
the truck itself will have a maintenance program running um and all kinds of monitoring of employees
so that you know most definitely where they are you know what they'll be doing and also maybe four
more recreational things i'm reading here that says uh solitaire yeah well no they can at night they can
go online they can um they can chat they can email they can do whatever they want so you know
maybe instead of you know hanging out and drinking coffee all night they'll actually be in uh maybe
aol chat rooms or maybe on irc and oh well that's a benefit to all of us to have the trucking
community be able to share well all right i'm being sarcastic but i've i've met some very
very interesting truckers in my travels and they tend to be some nice people there okay when they
finish trucking they go home and they hop on irc then but that's true you know i mean should we be
irc right now or on the radio of course not probably not are we no no not at all i'm idle at home
actually i sent my away message um hi everybody up there and pound off the hook uh well and one of
the concerns of course of the truckers that they don't like to be watched uh they don't like the
satellite systems but on a positive note dell and compact introduced a new line of computers complete
with a coffee spout mud flaps with the little naked ladies on the back you know really just like the
ones that yeah exactly that would be the trucker model so that's not bad at all a big mac emblem on
the front so yeah so look look look towards that well that's m-a-c-k not m-a-c yeah yeah you got a
watch out for the copyright right that's mac with the bulldog nut mac with the apple there you
go i don't understand how people can live in this this like part of the country i mean i'm standing
here in alabama it's it's it's 7 20 our time here because we're in central time but it's you
know the sun's going down kind of and it's still hot and i'm standing next to some sort of a swamp
where all kinds of like tropical noises are coming out of them so you're just about anywhere in
alabama expecting to see gators coming up the creek here you're in jurassic park it seems and now
i've got all these like little tiny gnats swarming around my face which is really not making me very
happy at all and and and a little fluorescent light hasn't even come on in the space mode yet
well that's okay we got another 40 minutes for them yeah i realize that i'm afraid what's going to
happen when that light comes on you're going to get to atlanta and then you're going to uh
start wondering about when your sprint pcs coverage kicks in right well i know there won't be
any sprint pcs coverage in atlanta until december uh... until december but i will have gsm coverage of a
sort that's true uh... this has worked out mostly in most parts of the country i've had one or the
other which is you know it's a good reason to carry two phones of course most people want to
have two portable phones well many people also get uh... the dual band analog and digitals yeah
now that would work a little bit better if you had that but uh... i'll tell you know looking at
some of the uh... that they have this massive sprint pcs advertising campaign in uh... in california
and they have posters and banners all over the place too and one of the things especially in light of
last week's show which really made me laugh was a sprint pcs poster that said it doesn't get any
clearer than this my god if that's if that's the case uh... i i shudder to think what we're in for
all right well how do you feel about taking some calls we have like uh... another 30 minutes you
want to take calls this early or uh... well do you have any other news items that you wanted to
get into well let's see what we have here uh... how about we can pick and choose and maybe if something
piques your interest we can actually uh... that one right there on the top well on the top one
it says do you know a net junkie do you know someone who spends too much time on the internet
do you know someone who'd rather be in the chat room than drinking coffee with their friends no
not at all well if you do you can get help and where's the help online oh there you go
that's right a a beer yeah and someone already made the analogy isn't it like holding a meetings in
a bar there you go well no it's not quite as a representative from the center for online
addiction at the university of pittsburgh uh... no wait a second these people get funding
i suppose i suppose they do for all right for helping people that are addicted to the internet
and online and instead of you know totally cutting themselves off they think they should
you know uh... use it in spurts and only use it for time that that they should and uh... for
those folks at home let's uh... let me go over a few points that the some psychologists are
suggesting alter your habits that's the first thing you should do if you're addicted you should try
try to come home eat dinner with your family or do some other type of activity other than the
computer use a stop clock maybe an egg timer perhaps they tell you this on the computer
yeah on the computer while they're telling you you have to go online and do this right
window open at the same time
cut back on chat and games young says addicts should avoid chat rooms games and other areas
of the network interaction can make a person forget time
about muds and things like that
that's okay oh that's okay you can do that
it'd be kind of cool to put this inside of mud
it's the addiction mud welcome
a section that you walk into and all of a sudden there's this guy trying to tell you what
what you're doing is bad like a religious person you should log off right now
yeah and and lastly what you should do is create a diary called life before the web
so list the type of things that you used to do before you know like hiking
gopher ftp uh telnet yeah
where those were the days the good old days of mosaic
i miss it actually i i found a an old uh an old uh release of it and i installed it and i
started comparing it to my netscape and sadly enough i i opted for uh navigator four five
oh say it ain't so yeah well all right let's see what else we got in the news well we have
the i know isaac's more of a encryption buff would you like to well there are many people far more
into encryption than i well i was just thinking i know uh you might have heard it was actually on
the news ibm is releasing a new uh a new way to encrypt things maybe a better way uh ibm to announce
a new method for sending encrypted data on the net uh international business machines corporation
you don't hear that very much anymore it's just the acronym ibm i guess they don't want to be
known as international business machines like calculators and stuff like that maybe it's just ibm's
better that's that's true announced monday a new method for sending information securely over the
internet uh we lock it in a little box uh further protecting transactions on the global network from
prying eyes the new method promises to address a potential vulnerability in encryption systems
used by many websites to protect credit card numbers and other personal information while
en route over the internet uh that flaw discovered in june you've heard about this flaw right where
someone could actually uh keep sending like a million requests to a web browser an ssl connection
or whatever and finally and finally yeah after a million like i i shop on online a lot i don't know
emmanuel do you shop online a lot as well well you know my my way of looking at it is this yeah it may
be kind of risky but if something happens you'll know what the risk was you'll know where the weak
points are and you won't be liable for them so you know as long as you watch your bills it can be kind
of fun and plus the savings are just astronomical immediately prior to the snet ad uh i had heard
a statistic that a full one-fifth of people online shop online which is uh kind of scary although uh
very lucrative for the business persons i i did hear a story though about a woman who um who ran up
this huge internet gambling bill and uh on her credit card and she's suing the credit card now because
she says that it's illegal she shouldn't have been allowed to do it she should go to that online
uh addiction thing i think and find out her online addiction and be told that the gambling and online
addiction all in the same uh on the same room so anyways i'm sorry isaac um trying to find the uh
non-propaganda section of this print the non-ibm yeah yeah all right the new system is dubbed the
kramer shop s-h-o-u-p uh crypto system after the two researchers who developed it
kramer oh kramer shop okay uh it works by doubly encoding the information being sent out by a
website using the system not only does it encode the information being sent but it also encodes the
server computer's response to spurious messages such as the ones a hacker might use thereby preventing a
hacker from learning anything about the system i'm not even gonna bother commenting on that but
my god i can't believe that's an animal
i swear to god it sounds nice ad lib it sounds like a freight train is approaching but it's
actually like one of those uh those heat bug things that like you know start up in midsummer
except they they're here all the time and it's like somewhere in the swamp i mean this thing must
be about eight feet tall whatever it is folks this is your host putting himself in the line of danger
so that he can go on the air tonight and and impart his wisdom to all of us
risking they expect this phone they expect this phone right next to the swamp too
well then that's a great put it out by the road but no they have to put it over here you see they
expect somebody to like be bitten by an insect and then keel over and then the telephone guy comes
by picks up the wallet and you know actually oh my god look at that i'm underneath i just realized
i'm underneath a huge huge exxon sign and that thing's going to turn on
when that happens i'll see bugs of all races and trees coming in the way swarming around me oh
let's uh it's the insects let's let's get in what we can before i i whatever happens i think that's
actually a trap and that's how they feed the natives there they wait for tourists to stop by use the
payphone they turn on the sign and now you're going to get sacrificed to the land of the lost yeah
it would appear so um now um interesting uh things uh no new updates on the uh on the kevin
mitnick case the um uh supreme court appeal was filed that basically uh is an appeal of the
refusal of the judge to allow kevin a uh bail hearing and so that's going all the way to the
state supreme court which is going to be uh very interesting that was the thing i asked his attorney
when he did the cnbc or i'm sorry msnbc chat yes and he had mentioned that he was going to do that
so i'm glad to hear that he's going to do that that document will be available shortly on kevinmitnick.com
so that has that has uh been filed uh interesting and kind of disturbing thing i was talking to him
the other day on the phone uh they had one uh he had he and his uh i guess uh you know wing of the
prison had had won some sort of competition uh for being the neatest block or something like that
it wasn't really a competition they entered into you know wholeheartedly i guess but it's something
that they do and so the reward for that is you get to stay up till 2 a.m oh great yeah and uh so i was
talking to him uh rather late at night and uh this this other inmate uh got into an argument
with him about the phone saying that uh you know he was supposed to use the phone at that time
and uh you know he had actually gotten the phone time from another inmate he had traded with somebody
else so he this whole argument ensued and it was very reminiscent of the whole bernie s thing a few
years ago where if you recall bernie s you know got the stuffing beaten out of him by by an inmate who
was uh outraged at the fact that he was using the phone when when the inmate wanted to uh in this
case though is you know it was perfectly justified and uh unfortunately when i was when i was listening
to kevin on the phone uh all i heard was the phone being disconnected and i didn't hear from kevin for
another day well it was it's very disturbing to have these things happen we forget a lot of times
that he's actually sitting there in jail and that these these horrible things happen and these horrible
people are there and that's something that we can we can never lose sight of i've talked to a
number of people over the last week uh that um knew something about the kevin case but without
without any uh exception i think they were all pretty surprised to learn that he was still in jail
now why don't people know that he's still in jail we have to get the word out more we have to make
sure people know hey this guy is still in prison they say oh kevin midnick that's the guy who uh you
know hacked shimamora even though he's never been charged with that or that's never been proven and
this is very strong doubt as to whether or not that ever happened uh he's still in prison you know
the the case has not yet gone to trial he is not allowed visitors except for uh immediate family
and um he has never been given a bail hearing uh so those things have to be have to be brought
out those things have to be constantly pounded into people's heads you know and and this this film is
just one of the things but it's it's only one part of a uh a long chapter well that's been happening
you know all the times i've talked to kevin that similar things happen i've been talking to him and
then i've heard a voice you know come along and he's like he just had to hang up and i was like oh my gosh
what's going on another time i talked to kevin and uh he had to put the phone down and go get
ice because they only had like a daily ice run right and i thought that you know i i you know
got a big lump in my throat i'm like man that's pretty bad like you get ice like today this is oh
gotta stop this this is ice time and if you don't get your ice you're you know that's it for you
for the day no ice there are other things too like uh a couple of weeks ago the air conditioning
was going on and going off on off for days and of course everybody got sick because you
expose yourself to those temperature differences in a couple of days you definitely feel the effects
of it so everybody was sick uh just a couple of days ago when when kevin had his lawyer visiting
they kept him waiting for about 55 minutes which meant that he only had five minutes left of the
hour that he was supposed to speak to him and uh you know of course that wasn't very helpful
but so these little things constantly happen and with any one of us i think we've reached
a boiling point pretty quickly i know i certainly would you know after three and a half years you
know you can only i don't know how much anybody can take and hopefully the supreme court document
filing and you know everything else that's going on and i don't know i'm hoping that this you know
there'll be an end in sight because regardless of how you know the movie turns out and how it started
and stops or or whatever you know we we certainly got to get them out that's right we have to focus
our attention on that and not uh you know not forget about the fact that you know this guy is still
sitting in jail uh he's never been convicted or accused of doing anything violent malicious uh vindictive
despite you know the reputation he's got and i've talked to so many people about this
who are you know the experts in the field and nobody can point to a single thing that he's done
that is malicious in any way yeah that's uh that's something i think that needs to be uh
to be looked at very closely well perhaps the same party that managed to uh aim this hurricane
at the movie production could conjure up a tornado or an earthquake or something and you know just
that side prison wall falls away you know you got to be careful what we ask for nowadays i think
you really need to be careful just i mean maybe you should take that back if you do that you're
going to get a lot of uh really dangerous uh that's true prisoners that are running around
here because those are the people he's locked up with are the really dangerous people yeah that's
it's a pre-trial facility so uh yeah that these people have not yet been uh been given their try
there they're all assumed innocent which is kind of kind of funny but it's true they're all presumed
innocent and uh unfortunately they're all in prison all right well claude has given me the signal
that there's about 10 calls waiting on the line do you want to start taking calls yeah so our phone
number is two and two two zero nine two nine hundred you're listening to off the hook emmanuel
here isaac and phil over there in new york actually i guess you're over here and i'm over there yeah
i'm standing at a payphone somewhere in alabama being eaten by mosquitoes and hearing strange
sounds do we have our first call on the line okay go ahead you're on the air hello hello speak up
please hello this is bai yes it is and you are on the air um i want to be on the air i wanted to
speak to some ask somebody a question what do you want to ask maybe we can help you well um it's about
a civilian complaint review board and uh a civilian complaint review you probably want to who is it
you want to speak to no i wanted to find out there if anybody could help me um with the civilian complaint
review board and uh following a complaint against what you're gonna oh you're gonna file a complaint
against the police what did they do here's your form this person doesn't want to be on the air
okay next call what is the office number
good question let's go to the next call you don't know the office number no
i think i know the office well you've got i think it's 209-2800
so if that person wants to call tomorrow you're right
somebody there okay i'm i'm thinking i'm thinking about making your show sound as
semi-competent as i can so you got another caller on the air okay does this person want to be on
the air oh no how did he well he wants to i'm not sure that any of uh well never mind uh nice uh
nice studio you have here nice studio on wall street yeah our studio is located on wall street
that's correct right the word here i hope was used in error no you're not he's actually on the phone
okay okay where i hope he's not around here what's on your mind all right i just wanted to mention
that um remember when i told you that there was a uh uh a messenger service called 9x yeah
now there's a band called oh how about that that is exciting news indeed now also i'd like to know
i'd like to mention that if uh you want to are you on a gte payphone by the way i'm just curious uh
no actually i'm on a bell south payphone but the funny thing about this payphone is that it uh i'm
in 334 area code which which is strange enough as it is but it says at the very bottom this payphone
is not provided by lec which stands for local exchange carrier
so you wonder who provides the payphone even it has a bell south sign on it and yet it has bell south
over it but you know it's really a co-cut you hear it redialing in the background that's curious
that that crazy little yeah they're like that in florida it's um they're like that in florida
it's not the old-fashioned bell technology unfortunately and um i'd just like to mention
that if you want to make free phone calls you can just have at&t built to a third number they
will not call first thank you so much move on to the next phone call if you could uh walk back
here please thank you good evening you're on the air
oh we have a real audio person hello real audio are you calling from real audio land uh yeah i'm
in toronto toronto canada yeah what a nice place you know we should get a map and put like
are you on are you on young street or queen street i'm actually in etobicoke not exactly in toronto
but uh i'm on off the hook channel off the hook as uh anakin so just shout out to them i was also
calling just about um the new back orifice program uh-huh yes released by the cdc that's a pretty
neat program by the way i've used it a couple times yeah or so i've been told anyways i'm just wondering
what like what's the legality of that and what they're really doing um to prevent stuff like that
like the feds and stuff why well there you know the uh the feds and i guess i'd say microsoft is
more of an accurate term who really cares about this well yeah if if you practice standard you you
know common sense user uh guides you won't even have the problem you know you should never install
any software other than microsoft well yeah well of course you know only only from the evil empire
should you install it yeah it's not against the law i mean it's not an unlawful program it just all
it does is kind of open up a way to control someone's computer it could be used as a diagnostic
tool over a network well the idea behind it is um basically hi microsoft we've been telling you
about all these bugs and problems right that have existed for so long uh you haven't done anything
so we're going to push you into action by releasing this piece of software that allows anybody anywhere
to take advantage of these flaws yeah so you can either fix them now or have to pay individual
companies or individuals when serious security problems occur either uh you're going to be paying
monetarily or with bad press although they control the press now so yeah i'm not sure if bad press i
don't think msnbc is going to be yeah they're not going to be airing too many they released anything uh
past that first uh press release they said uh the cdc or microsoft microsoft they're talking about i
don't i don't think they've said anything else as far as that goes i might be wrong about this you
might want to go to the cdc website yeah i didn't see anything today i went for the folks at home
other than that they have uh t-shirts out i think what is that address it's not cdc.com
no it's called deadcow.com or i think backorifice.com will work as well okay
so basically if you use this program in a malicious way are you doing anything illegal or
yeah i would say if you're actively going on someone else's computer it's the same thing as
trespassing if your intent is to acquire passwords or if your intent is to compromise
somebody else's system yes it can be perceived as an illegal act perpetrated against yeah what
a lot of people don't realize is that programs like this and magazines like 2600 are released which
you know allow you to uh to use knowledge in in one of many ways and one of the ways you can use
programs is maliciously that does not mean that 2600 or cdc or the loft or whoever is saying go
out there and commit crimes and you know we're just going to wink at you and say oh yeah it's okay all
in the interest of knowledge that's not what we're after at all what we're after is education showing
people how things work embarrassing people who refuse to fix things that are broken and providing security
uh holes for everybody to exploit yeah so uh you know don't mistake this to mean that uh you know
this program is your ticket to go out and and destroy whatever you can basically it's a wake-up
call it's sure it's a way of saying you know that this is wide open don't use this well it says on
the website that it's a uh so-called remote administration tool and it is and i'm sure it's
a very good can use it like that very good tool is in many ways but uh i probably wouldn't do that on
any of my machines because you never know well you know there's probably obviously a built-in
default password that we don't even know about that they can but you know the thing is with this
you have to know someone's ip address sure so unless you know that it's not okay that's not
all that difficult well you know well yeah right now i'm gonna i'm just getting all the ips from
channel off the hook so oh there you go so if anyone has uh back orifice server installed uh i'll let you
know i'll be nice excellent so i'm gonna let you know leave leave dot mill alone they've asked me to
well that that should be taken for granted at any they're very upset they've got a lot of things on
their mind this week you know leave them alone let them do their work so have you guys actually
found the filming locations for kevin i didn't listen to the show last week yes there's a there's a
hurricane descending upon it right now yeah i mean you know we know where they are and the more
important thing is well the rescuers know where they are once the hurricane hits i would hate to see
the floodwaters recede well the camera crews i i i in all seriousness i hope that they they heed the
warnings and they move away from there you know i'm not saying you know abandon the film and and
run away screaming to hollywood now you know just take take uh you know take a week off or whatever
whatever long it takes to rebuild the town and uh you know just uh think of think of yourselves
first well they've actually started filming already then they started filming at the beginning of the
month yes and they haven't said anything to uh the general 2600 uh crowd uh not that i know of
no not that i know of well i i have something to say and this is towards one person skeet i hope
nothing happens to you i would hate to see all the the teen heartthrobs yes there's a member of his
fan club yeah i'm sure you have the i'm working up in the ranks i'm almost present something if
skeet went missing you know and it was like a month where you didn't know where he was
sort of similar to the kevin thing except in a different way yeah yeah i'd also like to uh just let
everyone everyone know that skeet ulrich did not portray emmanuel goldstein and hackers yeah let me
point that out that's a common misconception because uh he was in scream yeah all right and
and so was the guy who played emmanuel goldstein in hackers but that's not the same person different
people emmanuel and hackers was in scream but he was not you know everyone always gets that wrong
yeah kind of annoying having to explain it to them all the time yeah it is it's also kind of
annoying to explain to people that i didn't get my name from that guy george that was uh 1984 right
yeah that's pretty much it you didn't all this time oh wow
yeah i knew the film was coming out a long time ago i just named myself after
anyway thanks for the call yeah up there in toronto okay all right i'll see you later
212-209-2900 is our phone number you're listening to off the hook and we have another call on the
line good evening you're on the air good evening uh quick question uh the back orifice program it has
to be installed on both the both users machines in order for you to uh do anything to uh either of
the machines correct yes right the server has to be installed and then you have a client that you're
running okay and also real quick uh what has ever happened to pam she seemed like she dropped off the
face of the earth ever since beyond hope uh just you know playing curiosity i know there was uh
a little bit of a come come to the uh come to the 2600 meetings and everybody is usually there
okay well thank you very much sure we have a 2600 meeting coming up uh not this friday but the friday
afterwards at the usual place city corp center new york city and of course all the other places around
the world on that same day 212-209-2900 good evening you're on the air hello anybody there go ahead
oh it's me it's you yes great love you guys love yourself uh quick comment quick question
i'm up in rockland county i'm sam the taxi driver in rockland county and they just wiped out a wonderful
billboard that somebody printed at the spring valley marketplace that said free kevin subscribe kevin
uh www major domo oh my god oh wow 2600.com you didn't know about that i wish i did
the film crew up there while we you know once the film crew got back
did anybody take a picture of it i hope did i get a picture of it no i didn't get a picture of it and i
went by today and it was painted over you see now this is exactly what we if if this happens i know i've
been on the road so uh you know it's very hard to get a hold of me right now i have several thousand
messages waiting for me to want to get back right uh but when we're all around or if you want to
mail to the oth you know off the hook people uh okay to 2600.com let us know about these things
before you know they happen that way we can we can get there and cover it i mean there's been a
number of things skywriting there's that thing that was on the moon the other day and it just
would be nice if we knew about this if we knew about this in advance so we could uh do the adequate
thing as far as capturing it photographically leave well even a photo sent to us would be great
uh-huh yeah i'm sorry i didn't get anything my question is i tried to access the website
and i have here connection refused description unable to connect to the site 2600.com are you
typing www.2600.com uh yeah i'm not too familiar with the whole setup anyway it's it's uh i stole
this computer not too long ago and i haven't learned how to use it um what kind of browser did you say
you stole that computer no no no no no it's a hand me down oh okay oh okay i was gonna say
that's uh but it says the site is down overloaded or unreachable uh i'm not aware of anything like
that are you connected on the internet right now no i'm not right now well i'm talking to you guys
when did this happen uh this has got to be about a week and a half ago okay well the site has been up
pretty consistently since then so yeah try it again i mean we obviously we're obviously up because we
have real audio listeners yeah yeah we wouldn't have them if we weren't up that's how i can reach
you yep directly okay great thanks uh thanks for the call um emmanuel maybe you can give out that
information for the uh the the kevin mitnick list real quick uh yeah well if you don't want to drop
up to rockland and look at the billboard then i believe it's been painted over anyway but uh
all you have to do is on your internet account and on the account that you want to be able to post
from make sure it's the same account with the same address send email to major domo m-a-j-o-r-d-o-m-o
at 2600.com and in the first line of the message not the title the first line of the message simply
type subscribe mitnick two words m-i-t-n-i-c-k you'll get a reply which will ask you to do something
else and when you do that you'll be subscribed to the list and from that point you simply mail
to mitnick at 2600.com and it will be posted to the entire mitnick list and that's for people who
want to uh share ideas have questions about the whole mitnick case uh it's a very educational forum
we've uh we've had quite a lot of interesting ideas come across there in the last few years
this thing has been around for a while it's been there forever the list is huge and it's jumping
right now you can like i you could sit there and just you know keep hitting check mail and it
definitely you know throughout the day lots of people are interested in this i mean you actually
uh who's i mean people that are involved with the story the whole thing going on they're actually
on the list i mean people that you read about in books i mean we've become the authoritative source
of all mitnick information yes they are and actually what we our goal is to have kevin join
the list someday but of course that's going to have to be after he gets out of prison it's going
to have to be after the crazy conditions of a supervised release are finished yeah i'd imagine
he'd be uh kept away from anything larger than well maybe even including a toaster uh calculator
everything calculators you don't want to touch anything i'm sorry sir you can't open this checking
account we're going to give you a free calculator you're going to get a piggy bank in some quarters
oh my okay 209-2900 you're listening to off the hook let's take another phone call good evening you're on
the air yes james two things in less than two minutes okay are you are you familiar with uh
the two key encryption devices uh public key you mean yeah and it was like uh the sender has one
the receiver has one yeah public key encryption yes yeah well uh okay second thing what do you think
about the airships uh recently read where the fcc gave approval to a company to start building
airship airships which they intend to have uh in uh in place around uh 2001 2002 they're supposed to
be about say 400 feet long and will be uh stationed about 12 miles above the earth's surface and uh they're
more or less supposed to be geared towards uh telecommunications before they go on to uh
you know like uh other things and their lifespan is about five five years you're talking about the
low orbit satellites yeah that uh i believe those will be used uh to replace pretty much the uh the
crazy system they have right now with pcs they have transmitters every few miles imagine if you
actually were able to go out into the desert and still keep your sprint pcs or omnipoint coverage
that will be possible with that kind of a situation with all those satellites up there
most satellites are up so high that if you use them for telecommunications you get a long delay by the
time your voice comes back down to you well it's also a matter of range and signal strength i mean
having a handheld unit trying to bounce a satellite is uh somewhat of a problem right then there's
this probably will solve rockets and stuff all right thank you
yes that is interesting you just wanted to know if we knew about that yeah well that was an easy
one didn't want to know if you just said yes yes we had a 50 50 chance and the odds
the odds fade off all right 22-209-2900 good evening you're on off the hook in regard to phone numbers
uh if you wanted to get uh a number let's say uh we had a competition for wbai uh and uh you know if
you would prefer a different number than two uh zero nine uh two nine zero zero or two nine hundred um
if you wanted uh you know you sort of had favorite numbers or they sounded better there's something a
little disturbing about the zero because some people say oh 209 and um you know that's totally
wrong and yet uh they say it was such um uh you know can people dial the letter oh and yeah they
dial the letter on the uh on the uh on the pad of where six is and uh we initially were trying to get
999 but you know because that's not used oh really well that's what i'm asking they don't let us have
that because they say that's the uh the british emergency number oh well but you know a three-digit
number would be cool yeah but what i'm trying to get across is um um what are the uh ramifications
if you wanted to uh have a number that uh appeal to you like uh uh let's say wbai on the uh you know
like w is nine and then uh b is uh two you want to know how you can request a specific number from
the telephone company that's called a gold number they basically charge you every month for having
one of those how much about uh i think it's about five dollars a month for residential service for
businesses it's probably double that so what do you think about that is that any good uh that idea
of whatever it is and then wbai would be well you know i think i think after changing our number once
this year we probably should let it sit for a little while and then maybe you know after people
become accustomed to it we can start confusing them again because you know confusing people that's how
we uh you know that's how we get our subtle messages i will say it sounds nicer when you say 209 you
know what i mean that's true but uh when you when you say 209 there's something very uh i don't know
i could say that may have a or what do you call it about the airplanes that the japanese used in kamikaze
raids uh you know against uh how do you feel self-conscious about the word zero well as a ham radio
operator i can tell you that uh that does get very confusing you're trying to pass a message and all of a
a sudden you say like oh or uh i've i've even heard not but uh there are certain phonetic
understandings uh zero is zero uh o is uh phonetic oscar and uh there are certain standards you can
abide to however not everybody goes to the same ones and it can get really confusing when you're
trying to pass messages yeah thanks for the call yes 209 2900 listening to off the hook and we have a
a couple minutes left to see if we can squeeze in any more phone calls good evening you're on the air
well you're on the air do you know the uh number for free internet the number for free
oh that's that uh free service that they have three ppp i believe i have it somewhere around here
okay yeah uh there this is a number we were discussing a couple months ago i suppose now a
couple years ago i think they changed her recently well in case this one works uh two one two seven
nine six uh one four six zero to keep our previous caller happy one four six zero um uh the username
is ppp and the password uh which we had a whole long argument about possibly giving out uh since it is a
free service is also ppp um you can log on i i believe somebody discovered that it's supposed to
be a uh the way they try make money off you is either with ads or it might be a uh normal uh larger
than normal toll call i don't recall but uh check it out is it could you just call that number to get it
i'm sorry no that that would be that's yeah the computer actually has to dial that number you can
do that from if you have windows 95 from within dial-up networking if you have a mac from okay
that's seven nine six one four six zero correct yeah you know you could go online and uh i think
was it ww dot like free ppp.com they probably have all the information there as well thanks uh thanks
for your call and uh okay i think uh you know the cops are here uh looking for you or the bugs i'm not
sure i'm not sure this cop just like sitting at the gas pump he's not getting gas he's
just sort of sitting and you know when well you've been on the phone for an hour now i know
but but you know cops don't really worry me that much but when you're in alabama okay what what
plates do you have on your vehicle now right now the california plates because that's where the
last rental you're going down son yeah yeah you will respect my authority the only thing worse
would be new york plates i've got like all this tie dye on i've got long hair i've got there
get out hippie the strobe glasses are on okay uh emmanuel will be hanging up in five minutes and
running as the bugs chase him and the police we have a bunch of leftist stickers on the back of
the car well yeah actually the back of the car is kind of a big leftist sticker you'll you'll be
calling from yeah please please uh call me if you're not in some kind of detention area uh but if you
are try and find somebody who would be more able to help you later i hear they're still chain gangs
down here really yeah that'll be it's a great way to meet people yes all right uh take uh one more
phone call do we have time yeah we have one more time okay one two zero nine two nine hundred good
evening you're on the air hello hello hi hi uh this question is for phil okay so um i'd like to ask
you a question uh what is the difference between uh unix and beatniks beatniks oh my what's up phil
it's me freaky i just want to say oh how's it heaven i was wondering why i wanted to ask you that
and i just would like to say that your friend emmanuel down in uh alabama uh-huh remember that
movie deliverance yeah very well very well you better not take the wrong time all right whoops
claude claude oh my claude accidentally cut him off i didn't know what to expect there i was like
unix or and i was expecting like beatniks use unix and yeah oh that's great that he called in and
we have supporters all over and you know he was getting gas oh he was getting gas
yeah he was getting what type of gas okay i'm letting this is you know we're making this movie
i don't know if i we we told people that but uh we're making our own documentary of our travels
across the country talking to people and right now we're documenting this radio show by filming it
and we have this big uh light from the camera because it's dark here now and we have a light
distracting all the bugs and we're filming the show but of course when that when the cop walked
into the gas station to pay his bill he looked over here saw the big light so i'm sure he's
going to be walking over here to ask just what in the world's going on we'll give him a free kevin
sticker a pat on the back and a cap and uh yeah that usually works yeah almost always um man you're
just about out of time we got one caller on the line waiting for you okay well go ahead caller you're
on the air caller you're on the air yes you are it's you go ahead okay cool hey how on okay um i have
the question um um if our movie theater over here in texas shows takedown uh-huh cannot print out
some kevin bumper stickers or order them and like baffles and stuff and hand them out inside
absolutely well you know what's really cool and this is something that happened to me in los angeles
uh there was a guy standing outside a movie theater in fact it was it was that that movie theater that
we were standing in front of handing out free kevin literature at the uh the man's training theater
yeah that's where they have all that and he was selling get this laser pins laser pins and you
know it was a great deal 15 for a laser pin but not only did i get laser pin i got all these
attachments that have these like little phrases on them one of his happy birthday well i figure we
can make one of those attachments to say free kevin and when the film comes out well you know what to
do okay well also they can go on uh www.kevinmitnick.com and get all the information on the what you can
do section uh manual we have to head out soon uh i know you're going to be leaving soon so is there
any last words you have before we uh get off the air and before we get arrested it's likely it's
likely yes i'm not arrested it's likely that um uh i'll be back next week in studio live great i hope
so so i can save you people the stress of uh trying to get hold of me each week thank you okay please
i'm on my way to atlanta now and uh tomorrow perhaps i'll look at the carnage that uh inside
wilmington uh north carolina where the takedown filming is uh is taking place well maybe it's wrapping
as they say okay well drive safe sir all right and uh special thanks to bonnie all right
all right so all right good night everyone
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