I will see for all embassies overseas to support American companies in their operations abroad
and to, as far as possible, promote American exports.
They drill and they kill.
Drilling and killing.
Chevron and Nigeria's oil dictatorship.
An investigative report next week on Pacifica Radio's Democracy Now!
International Nazi team!
International Nazi team!
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Colombians are slowly embarking on the long and difficult road to peace.
There are many obstacles, including increasingly interventionist U.S. anti-drug policies.
Join the Columbia Media Project and the weekly news update on the Americas
for a special public forum entitled Peace in Colombia, a Human Rights Perspective,
on Tuesday, October 6th at 7 p.m. at the Hunter College West Building, Room 217,
which is located at 68th Street and Lexington Avenue.
Featuring special guest speaker Olga Gutierrez,
who's the director of the Colombia-Europe Coordinating Committee,
a coalition of over 50 human rights organizations
that will be awarded the prestigious Letelier Moffat Human Rights Award in October.
The Peace in Colombia Forum will take place on Tuesday, October 6th,
at Hunter College West Building, beginning at 7 p.m.
For more information, call the Columbia Media Project at 212-802-7209.
That's 212-802-7209.
And you're listening to radio station WBAI.
It's 8 o'clock time for Off the Hook.
The telephone keeps ringing
So I ripped it off the wall
I cut myself off shaving
Now I can't make a call
It couldn't get much worse
But if it could, it would
Bum-Dilly-Bum
But I best expect the worst
I hope that's understood
Bum-Dilly-Bum
is, but I want to join
Do you
Bum-Dilly-Bum
See you next time
Shipt
Thank you.
Okay, see, this is what happens when you don't send us money, the equipment breaks, and things aren't as smooth as they're supposed to be. Let's see if maybe it fixes. Ah, there we go. Nice, smooth transition there.
We all know technology never fails. It's always a human error of some sort.
Three CD players break in a row. I don't understand that. Anyway, the program is off the hook. It's Emmanuel Goldstein here with you for another hour on this Tuesday night.
Broadcasting at 99.5 FM in New York City.
And over the Internet.
www.2600.com. Click on the appropriate boxes to find the exact point where you can listen to the show.
But, of course, if you're listening to the show, you don't need to know that.
And the webcasts are mostly for people outside the area, people around the world.
But I do suggest going there now for a very specific reason.
First of all, we have a very interesting, kind of funny section on the website right now, concerns the White House and hacked websites and things like that.
Now, we're not saying the White House's website got hacked. Let's straighten that out right now.
Stop the rumors before they start.
Nothing happened to the White House today.
All right. So, now that we've got that cleared up, let's zip on over to the Kevin Mitnick section, which you can get to by clicking on the free Kevin bumper sticker, which is on the 2600 site, or going directly to it, www.kevinmitnick.com.
Kevin Mitnick, one word.
K-E-V-I-N-M-I-T-N-I-C-K.
And you will see, and for those of you who don't have web access, you will now hear some of the startling facts when it comes to comparing this case with the real world.
Remember the real world? Well, that's how most people live their lives.
And if you're somebody who lives your life by committing assault, you can expect to serve three years, 1.9 months in prison.
That's right. Auto theft, one year, 9.9 months.
Larceny, one year, 2.4 months.
Fraud, one year, 6.9 months.
Embezzlement, you can get away with seven months for that.
If your thing is forgery and counterfeiting,
expect to be out of service for one year, 3.9 months.
Now, money laundering is considered rather severe.
Three years, 5.1 months.
Burglary, or breaking and entering.
That's two years, 4.8 months.
And the granddaddy of them all.
Manslaughter.
Manslaughter, you can go out there and kill a man and expect to serve two years, 10.2 months.
Why is this important?
Well, Kevin Mitnick has been in prison now for 43 months.
Three years and seven months.
It sort of puts things in perspective.
It's really unbelievable that people can say with a straight face,
yeah, this guy belongs in prison.
But, you know, there's fewer and fewer of them every day.
And one day, the majority will be listened to.
So, continue to check on that site and spread the word,
because this is heating up and it's not going to go away.
Checking some other news that has been taking place in the past week or so.
A German district court has ordered a bank in Frankfurt to repay a customer 4,543 marks,
which is about $2,699 U.S. dollars for money withdrawn from her bank account after her bank card was stolen.
In this country, you're only liable for, I think, $50, and that's if you don't report it.
Actually, that's for credit cards.
I'm not entirely certain about ATMs, about regular bank cards.
The decision made public Monday again points to the holes in the 56-bit encryption technology used in Eurocheck cards,
called EC cards, according to the Chaos Computer Club, a German hacker group.
Calling the encryption technology for the EC bank cards out of date and not safe enough,
a Frankfurt district court held the bank responsible for the amount stolen from the 72-year-old plaintiff in February 1997.
Neither the bank's name nor that of the plaintiff were revealed.
An EC card is like a bank card which can be used at bank automats and point-of-sale terminals throughout Europe.
The cards feature the U.S. government's data encryption standard,
which uses 56-bit encrypted code to scramble the security information.
And we have this piece of listener mail.
Emanuel, new numeric paging is now enabled in Sprint PCS.
You can enable it by dialing into your mailbox, use three for personal options,
one for notification options, and turn numeric paging on.
That's in your voice mailbox, you have to turn that on.
I'm not sure if it's defaulted to be on or off.
I know for some people it just works in the beginning, other people have to physically go in and turn it on.
When it's turned on, your caller can either leave you a voice message,
or it can press 2 to page you, that is, send a numeric message to the handset.
If their caller ID is not blocked, the system will offer to send their phone number to your handset.
If blocked, they'll be asked to type in a number.
And you receive it the same way you receive a text message.
The cost is nothing for any user who has voicemail.
I spoke with Sprint PCS concerning the cost for text messaging,
and they said it's free now, but they may start charging later.
Isn't that fun?
Actually, that's from Bob in New York.
That's not entirely new.
We reported this a few weeks ago, but what we didn't do was actually test it out.
So let's get ourselves a dial tone here,
and we'll actually call a Sprint number that happens to be here in the studio.
And try to leave an numeric page.
Okay, and you see the problem with Sprint phones is you can hit the N button,
and that will...
Unknown ID, that's weird.
It's not even blocked, it's just unknown.
That means we really don't have caller ID here at the station.
But when you hit the N button on these phones, it doesn't send it to voicemail,
it just turns off the ringer, so it's going to ring a few times.
And then once we get the greeting, which is right here...
All right, there's nobody here to take your call right now.
Please leave a message, and someone will get back to you soon.
We get some options now.
To leave a voice message, press 1, or just wait for the tone.
To send a numeric page, press 2 now.
That's what we want.
Please enter your numeric page, then press pound.
Okay, I'm just going to hit 9-1-1.
To send this message, press 1.
To review it, press 2.
To change it, press 3.
Let's review it.
You entered 9-1-1.
To send this message...
Yes, that's what I did.
Okay, let's hit 1.
Your page has been sent.
Thank you for calling.
Goodbye.
Bye.
Okay, the page has been sent.
Let's see how quickly Sprint actually sends us our page.
And while we're...
Ah, here we go.
And I received a call from 9-1-1, whatever that means.
And if I hit...
Whoa!
I hit talk, and it started calling 9-1-1.
No, I didn't.
That's a great prank to pull on people, but please don't say we told you to do that.
That's horrible.
I didn't really know that was going to happen.
Okay.
Yes.
Now, this announcement...
This is an important announcement.
This has to do with an upcoming demonstration of micro-broadcasters in the area.
On Sunday, October 4th, Monday, October 5th, all media activists are being called to participate in this,
along with radio pirates, people for a democratic media, and people just fed up with crappy corporate radio.
Come to D.C. for the first national mobilization for free radio.
Micro-broadcasters from around the country will gather for two days to share radio skills, organize alliances,
speak out to the media, and protest at the FCC and NAB buildings,
culminating in a live broadcast straight into the offices of the people working so hard to shut us down.
And, yes, it's Sunday and Monday.
See, they thought it through here, because if they did it on Saturday and Sunday,
they'd be broadcasting into empty offices.
But Monday, people will be there.
I don't think it's a holiday on Monday, October 5th, is it?
I hope not.
Free Radio Berkeley, Radio Mutiny, Steal This Radio, other micro-stations have all broadcasted live in public
and challenged the FCC to shut them down in the light of day in front of the press,
and the feds have never dared to show their face.
This time, we're going to take it right to their doorstep and tell them that if they're so sure
that their dumb law is worth enforcing, then the chairman should come down from the 8th floor
and put the cuffs on us himself.
There will also be workshops to help new folks start stations,
appointments will be made to lobby congresspeople,
and press events will be held to show the true diverse face of the micro-broadcasting movement.
All right.
So you want information on this?
Okay.
They're asking for a $5 to $15 donation for participants to help the whole thing work out.
And their website can be found at httv, whatever, all that stuff,
burn.ucsd.edu
slash tilde MAI
slash microwatt.html.
I'll say that again because that's kind of a difficult one to remember.
No www here.
Don't put that in.
Just burn.ucsd.edu
slash tilde
It's that little squiggly thing.
MAI
slash microwatt.html
Or if you just want to send email,
send an email to Petri Dish.
Actually, that's spelled kind of a weird way, too.
P-E-T-E-T-R-I-D-I-S-H
at hotmail.com
Or you can phone
215-474-6459
or
202-518-5644
Ask for Amanda.
And if you can't come but would like to make a donation to help the conference actually happen,
you can send a check to Citizens Media Corp.
23 Winslow Road, Brookline, Massachusetts
02446
It's going to be big.
We have all kinds of interesting input into this one.
People from all over the country will be showing up.
So that's again
Sunday, October 4th,
Monday, October 5th
in Washington, D.C.
And
check out the net for all kinds of information on that.
It's really a shame what's happened to micro-broadcasting.
In fact,
on my Omnipoint phone today,
I just happened to get
to get the, you know,
news updates
that you get.
And there was actually a story
about micro-broadcasting.
I'm looking it up right now.
Here we go.
Federal regulators have shut down
about 260
pirate radio stations
this year
in effort against
pirate radio operators.
Most closed voluntarily.
It's kind of weird
that they would just send this story over.
I think maybe that means
there's a big story about it
in the New York Times today
or something like that.
I don't know.
Because it's not really something
that happened today,
but it's just a story that
I got on my Omnipoint phone
that all these radio stations
were shut down.
And the thing is, yeah,
most of them are
shutting down voluntarily.
That's kind of sad.
I mean, yeah,
we all say
we should stand up to oppression
and, you know,
dare them to come get us.
Well, the thing is,
they are coming to get us.
And that's why
they're shutting down voluntarily.
And the only time
they'll stop doing that
is when people
show up to things like this
or show support
are the ways.
We need diversity
on the airwaves.
We need different voices.
And I was,
yeah, I get these magazines.
Radio News
is probably one of the best
magazines out there
or newspapers
or whatever it is.
Comes out every week,
tells you all kinds of things
about the radio industry.
Of course,
they're decidedly
anti-microbroadcasting,
but, you know,
you can put up with that
to get some of the facts
that they do present.
One of them is that
Chancellor Radio,
Chancellor Radio
is like the biggest one now.
They keep merging.
They're like a virus
that keeps spreading
all over the place.
They're on the verge
of owning,
keep in mind,
a few years ago,
it was against the law
for one organization
to own any more
than five radio stations.
That's why CBS
just owns stations
in New York,
in California,
Chicago,
various places like that.
Yeah,
they had affiliates
all over the place,
but they actually
only owned five stations.
Pacifica,
another example of that.
We only own five stations.
BAI is one of them.
Stations in Berkeley,
Los Angeles,
Houston,
and Washington, D.C.
Five stations.
In fact,
we stayed at that limit.
But,
thanks to the
Reagan-Bush years
and deregulation
at the FCC,
that limit was
just wiped away.
So,
there's no longer
a limit of five stations.
Chancellor Radio
has been very busy
since then,
and right now,
they are on the verge
of owning
500 radio stations.
500 stations.
Think about that.
Think about
how it's incredible,
you know,
one voice,
only one voice
being heard.
No diversity whatsoever.
And yeah,
they're making
a ton of money
at it too.
But the biggest threat,
the biggest threat
to all this
are these little
20-watt radio stations
that are popping up
all over the place
providing some diversity.
That's what
they're shutting down.
Not
Megala corporations
that own 500 stations,
probably each one
50,000 watts.
Here's a letter
from a listener.
We thought it was
bad before.
It's not enough
that a megacorp
owns every radio station
in a given area.
They are now taking steps
to make content
the same also.
What I refer to
is what is known
as shadow broadcasting.
I don't know
the exact name of it,
but that's certainly
a good description of it.
It's the practice
of using an outside agency
to do things
like news,
sports,
traffic,
instead of
in-house reporters.
The way it used to work
is that every radio station
had reporters
on the staff,
sort of like
what we do here at BAI.
They go out
to cover stories
that are happening
in their local areas.
I guess that was
too expensive
to actually
keep these reporters,
so commercial stations
have started hiring
outside agencies
to cover these stories.
The scary part
is that there is
essentially only
one agency
because
only one agency
offers these services,
kind of a default monopoly.
And that means
no matter
what radio station
you're listening to,
you're getting
the standard version
of the news.
No more do radio stations
control the editorial bias
of the news they cover.
Now it comes
prepackaged
right from the outside source
as a nice little
cassette tape
or whatever they use.
It's a really scary
thought to me
to think
that all across the country
there is one agency
that controls the news
that we get
over the radio.
Think of the impact
we could have on,
this could have rather,
on cases such as Mitnick's.
There will be no reporters
who know the truth,
ready to spread the word
because there are
no reporters left.
Maybe the funniest part,
the saddest part,
is that the person
who reads the news
uses different names
depending on the station.
This I've never heard.
I'd like to know
if other people
have heard this.
So Bill on one station
is really John on another.
They said that they
do this so that
the listeners feel
that the local news
is really being reported
by a local reporter
instead of a team
of researchers.
Sounds to me like
planned ignorance.
There was a story
about this actually
on National Public Radio
and this person
named Lizard
who sent us mail.
Thank you very much
Lizard for sending that to us
because I didn't know
about this.
You know,
word is spreading
about this kind of thing.
The thing is
no one's doing anything
about it.
You know,
as soon as somebody
actually stands up
and tries to be counted
they're kicked back down again
and told to submit
and listen to the
corporate radio station
of their choice.
Yeah,
right.
All right,
so that's the state
of radio today.
It's very depressing
but by supporting
stations like BAI
you can help
make a difference
and supporting
other stations as well
because there's a lot
of room out there
despite what they may
tell you.
They say the spectrum
is all filled up
with light rock
and AOR music
and all that kind of thing.
It's all the same,
you know,
just repetition.
and it extends,
you know,
it extends into
the music industry.
I mean,
do you really think
that you decide
what song is going
to be a hit?
Of course not.
It's decided
by some marketing agency
that says
this will go good
and then they send it out
to those stations
that are controlled
by the same people
and basically
you don't hear
a lot of things
that are produced
because it's just
not deemed worthy
by those same people.
All right,
we'll be taking phone calls
in a little while.
Last week was
New Listener Week.
We only took phone calls
from new listeners
and, you know,
I got a lot of compliments
for that.
I really did.
A lot of people said,
you know,
it's good to hear new voices,
nothing against the old voices.
You know,
I have nothing against
the old voices either
but it's good to let
other people in.
Now,
this week anybody can call
and we didn't do that
for any one particular reason
in one particular person
but it's just
if you listen to the station
you tend to hear
the same callers a lot.
And it's not because
we don't have any listeners
it's because they call a lot,
you know,
and a lot of times
they have things to say
but we have,
you know,
a set amount of time
and it's important
to let as many people
in as possible.
So,
if you really have
something interesting
and you've called us
a hundred times before,
okay,
call up.
But the pressure will be on you
to really produce
something good
that the people
will really,
you know,
be fascinated by.
And,
otherwise,
if you're a new person
please give us a call
as well
because we'd really like
to hear from you.
We'd like to hear from people
all over the world
who are listening to the show.
The number is
212-209-2900
and I'll read a couple more pieces
and we'll go right
into the phone calls.
Now,
this is something,
this is a pet peeve of mine,
it's a pet peeve of a lot of people
so I guess
it's not really a pet,
it's more like
a pretty common peeve.
Have you been spammed?
This is the mail I just got.
Have you been spammed
and do not like it?
Do you get unsolicited email
that you do not want?
Do you get so much junk email
that you waste time
just to get rid of it?
Well,
if you answered yes
to any of these questions
then here is your chance
to stop getting all that email
you never wanted.
You know the secrets
to lowering
and to practically eliminating
junk email.
We know that actually,
you don't know that yet.
We have been doing this
to help millions of other people
just like you.
We have never had any complaints
and many people
can't thank us enough.
If you want to be part of this
and stop this junk email
we can do it for you.
This is junk email
I just got in the mail.
These scumbags,
they're sending me anti,
it's titled anti-spammers.
They're spamming
with anti-spam
saying that we can stop it.
But they're sending mail
you never asked for.
And listen to this.
They say they never got
any complaints.
I think maybe we can change that.
Maybe we can help them out here.
Since we have had
so much success,
we won't charge you $50.
We have decided to lower
the price dramatically
to only $20.
That's more than half off.
Half off what?
Just follow the steps below
and you can stop getting
all that junk email
you never wanted.
This is a funny one.
This really is.
I mean,
this is the biggest scam
I think I've ever seen,
but it's funny.
You gotta give people
credit for that.
So if you believe
that that's worth $20
for a good laugh,
although I think actually
these people should
be reported in some way,
all you have to do
is mail us a self-addressed
envelope,
$20 in your email address
to keep you updated
on your status.
This comes from
Michael Daly.
His email address
or their email address
or its email address
or whatever this thing is,
anti-spam98.
A-N-T-I underscore
S-P-A-M 98
at yahoo.com.
And their address,
anti-spammers,
P.O. Box 1601,
Wallingford, Connecticut,
06492.
See how many complaints
they get now.
Okay, that's only
the beginning of it though.
That's only the beginning.
I've been getting
all kinds of mail
from people
that basically says,
this message is not spam
and is being sent to you
in compliance
with federal legislation.
Pursuant to section 301,
this is how they start,
paragraph A2C of S1618,
further transmission to you
by this sender
of this email
may be stopped
by sending a reply
with remove as a subject.
Well, you don't ever
reply to these people,
you just ignore them,
but it's becoming
really annoying
when they're quoting laws
and saying that
they're totally
in compliance here.
It's not really
the case at all.
The law in question,
I did a little research
on this,
and boy,
did I have to hit
the Senate website
a lot of times
to get all that
damn Lewinsky stuff,
you know,
you can't get through anymore.
Everyone's downloading sex
from the government now,
and you can't find out
about laws.
So it took me
about an hour
to get this information.
And this comes
from Senator Murkowski.
Yeah,
Senator Murkowski.
Very interesting.
He says,
when you click
on his webpage
for this particular
bit of legislation,
please note
that I did not
offer the language
of Section 771,
my original bill,
as an amendment
on May 12, 1998.
The provision
that was accepted
as part of
Section 1618
only requires
junk emailers
to identify themselves
and to honor
remove requests.
There are no
ISP requirements
whatsoever.
I have no desire
to set a precedent
of the government
telling you
what you can
and cannot see
in your inbox.
My bill merely
provides a means
for Internet users
to filter out emails
that they do not
wish to receive
by requiring
that senders
of unsolicited emails
to include advertisement
as the first word
of the subject line.
And that was not
the case in this
piece of email
that claims to be legal.
The only word
in the subject
was money
with two exclamation points.
It really caught
my attention.
So yeah,
that's part of
the law here
to include advertisement
as the first word
of the subject line
and that the real
street address
email address
and telephone number
be contained
within the body
of the message.
Routing information
that accompanies
the message
must also be accurate.
So this law
that they are quoting
and I have the exact
quote right here.
The name,
physical address,
electronic mail address
and telephone number
of the person
who initiates
transmission
of the message.
Now this message
therefore is not legal
because it came
from Steve Reed
of Email Marketing 98
and his street address,
his real physical address
is P.O. Box 3165.
I'm sure it's kind of
cramped in that P.O. Box.
I don't think
he actually lives there.
And it's in a place
called Spring, Texas.
77383.
Oh, what's the deal?
Okay, of course
everybody wants to know that.
Stay home and make
$2,225 per week
working with your computer.
Become a distributor
of the newest marketing
software on the web.
This is not a
MLM.
This is not an MLM.
I don't know what that means.
And all funds are paid up
front directly to you
to receive a free demo
or respond with your email address
to any one of our addresses
listed below.
Of course,
there's only one address there
and it's not really an address.
But there is a phone number
so we're going to give Steve a call.
Okay, because
we have to warn him
that he's not in compliance.
It's very important.
Oh, yes,
you want the number too.
Area code 281-376-0052
extension 3020.
Must be a big office.
Oh, yeah,
I have to enter my secret code
which will remain secret.
Thank you for calling
Across America voicemail.
Please enter in your
four-digit box number now
or press 1 for customer service.
Well, gee,
I don't think I'll ever
get a person.
Let's try it.
Goodbye.
What?
Goodbye?
That was rude.
Let's try that one more time.
I think she might have been
I think she might have been
just a little impatient there.
I'm going to write number
281-376-0052.
I have to enter my secret code.
And extension 3020.
Oh, that's the problem.
It's not recognizing digits.
Goodbye.
Okay.
It's the BAI phone system
striking again.
Let's try it one more time.
There is a problem
with our touch tones.
So, we might have to ask
somebody
That's not going to work.
You can't hold
the Sprint phone up to this.
It's not going to work.
We might have to ask
one of our listeners
to do this for us.
Because we really
genuinely want to help
this person and warn them
that
It's weird how our
touch tones work.
No problem.
She's not hearing that 3.
Let's get customer service.
There must be a human
who can help us.
Goodbye.
Oh, that's just great.
Customer service
hangs up on you.
Alright, folks.
Well,
we can't help the guy.
We want to.
He's violating federal law here.
And, uh,
we hate to see that happen.
He doesn't have advertisement
in his subject.
He doesn't have a real
street address.
He doesn't seem to have
a real phone number either.
You know?
And that's, uh,
I don't want to say
he doesn't have a real name.
Because Steve Reed
could be a really,
you know,
a real name there.
So, if you want to help out,
please give the guy a call.
281-376-0052
extension 3020.
Warn him that he is
not in compliance.
And the message is,
in fact, spam.
They could be coming to get him
in the middle of the night.
You don't know about
these things.
Got to respect
the federal authorities.
Speaking of federal authorities,
um,
the son of CDA,
Communications Decency Act,
is, uh,
looming.
I'm not sure
what the exact status
of it is right now.
It keeps changing
from day to day.
But basically,
it's a bill that makes it
a crime for anyone
by means of the
World Wide Web
to make any communication
for commercial purposes
that is harmful
to minors.
unless the person
has restricted access
by minors
by requiring
a, um,
a credit card number
or other age
verification procedure.
How is a credit card
number age verification?
Uh,
other age verification
procedures specified
by the Federal
Communications Commission.
Our old friends
from the FCC
are helping out here.
I think those guys
would be busy
doing radio things.
Uh,
the, um,
latest version of the bill
includes a section
authorizing the Attorney General
to seek court injunctions
against suspected violators.
Injunctions against speech
are a form of prior restraint,
constitutionally the worst form
of government censorship.
By offering a defense
to any website
that verifies the age of visitors,
the bill in effect
requires a new type
of privacy intrusion.
The bill has privacy protections
intended to limit disclosure
of such information,
but the protections
have a major loophole
allowing the disclosure
of personal information
for, quote,
legitimate business activities
related to, unquote,
making such communications.
Uh,
if you want more information
on this,
go over to a website,
uh,
www.cdt.org
slash speech.
And as an interesting
side note to that,
uh,
they,
they define,
um,
they,
they define
the implementation
of this.
Let's see if I can find
the appropriate,
uh,
by means of the
worldwide web.
They're basically telling you
that,
uh,
you can't distribute
certain things
by means of the
worldwide web.
And they define
by means of the
worldwide web
as placement of material
in a computer
server-based file archive
so that it is publicly
accessible over the internet
using hypertext
transfer protocol
or any successor
protocol.
Well, guys,
guess what?
FTP does not fit
that description.
And, uh,
basically that means
you can FTP all you want
without being covered
by that law
by their own definition.
It's silly.
I'm sure it's something
they'll fix,
but, uh,
it happens to be
the way it is right now.
All right,
212-209-2900
is our telephone number.
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or so.
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Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Yes.
Very good.
Go ahead.
You're,
you're on off the hook
right now.
Uh,
hi,
this is Bellman.
And,
um.
Bellman?
Yes.
Okay.
Where are you calling from,
Bellman?
I'm from New York
and suburbs,
right?
Okay.
You have a bit of an echo there
so you might want to turn down
your radio a little bit.
Yeah,
I did turn it down.
Okay.
Maybe you're standing
in a hollow room then.
All right,
what's on your mind?
Okay,
well,
um,
I have two phone lines
and,
um,
about a week ago
I picked up one of my phones
and it was,
uh,
totally dead,
like no dial tone
or anything.
Okay.
So I went outside
and hooked up a phone
to my outside box
and there was no dial tone.
So then I was online
on my other line
so I went offline
and I called my other number
and I got some answering machine
and then I called again
and someone picked up
and I,
and they totally changed my line
to something else.
Really?
Like someone else's house.
Well,
it sounds like some,
uh,
and then,
then I asked the people
like,
um,
is this your number?
Uh-huh.
And they said,
yeah,
we just moved into this house
then.
Yeah.
Well,
they gave us this number.
Well,
now,
first of all,
you,
you definitely had your own line
on that,
on that second phone.
Oh,
yes.
Well,
I got it back
to the repair guy
fixed it after a few days.
What happened was
some lineman someplace,
uh,
at either a pole
or some other,
uh,
junction box
simply routed
the wire is wrong.
It happens all the time,
especially when people
move into houses.
Yeah,
and when I called
Bell Atlantic,
I asked them if that's
a common problem
and they said that
with Bell Atlantic,
there is no common problem.
okay,
that's reassuring.
Well,
it's happened to me
every time I've moved,
uh,
and,
and have been
cognizant of phones,
I've noticed this happening.
Once I moved into a house
and I,
I had a dial tone,
I figured,
hey,
this is great,
you know,
the phone company's
giving me phone servers
before I even asked for it
and I used it for a while
until one day I picked up
the phone
and somebody else was on it.
It was kind of scary
because it was at night
and nobody else was in the house.
There was another time,
though,
uh,
where,
where,
where neither myself
nor the other person
had just moved.
It just happened
all of a sudden
out of the blue
and I was,
uh,
you know,
one day,
uh,
I,
I,
I heard this weird message
on my answering machine,
you know,
how some answering machines
continue to record
after the person picks up
and it was these people
who had picked up the phone
and they were talking
to each other.
They had both picked up.
There was an extension.
They said,
hey,
uh,
actually,
no,
the guy's father
had called one of his sons
at their home
and the,
the father was like,
what's that on the phone?
And they're like,
that's the answering machine.
And he,
he says,
we don't have
an answering machine.
Poor kid said,
I know,
I don't understand it either.
So,
yeah,
it happens all the time.
Okay,
our caller is making weird knowledge
so we're going to move on
to another call.
Let's go over here.
Good evening,
you're on the air.
Hi,
am I on?
Yes,
you're on the air.
Go ahead.
Okay,
um,
uh,
I have,
I have not called before.
My name's Babu.
Babu,
where are you calling from?
I'm in Manhattan.
Manhattan.
And I'm listening to you
on the internet,
on the air.
Are you Pakistani?
No,
are you?
No.
Okay.
I just figured I'd get that
out of the way.
Listen,
Eric,
I do have a question though.
Have you,
I tuned in a little late.
Did you talk about
the Netscape cache bug yet?
No,
I have not.
Okay,
can I get two sentences
in on that?
Okay,
we'll be right.
Let me do that.
Go ahead.
There is a discovered
very serious bug
in essentially
all of the Netscape browsers
that permit anybody
that sends you
a Java script
applet
to read the URLs
in your Netscape cache.
And anybody
who understands
what I said
and understands
the seriousness of it
can read about this
very simply
by going to
Deja News
and doing a search
on the same line
for the following
two words.
Brumlev,
B-R-U-M-L-E-V
space
Netscape.
I'll repeat that.
You go to
Deja News,
www.dejanews.com
and where
on the search line
you put in
Brumlev,
that's B as in boy,
B-R-U-M-L-E-V
space
Netscape
and the two citations,
the two news group
readings
to look at
are by Dan Brumlev
and Richard Smith
who's the president
of FarLap.
They describe
this bug
and then Dan Brumlev
provides a URL
to his home page
and if you go there
you just click
on that link
and if you go there
he has a JavaScript
that you click on
it reads your cache
and it tells you
what's in the cache
of your Netscape browser.
I'll get off the line
and I'll listen
to your comments
on this.
Thanks for giving me
an opportunity.
Okay.
Well thanks for calling
and throwing our
entire listening audience
into a panic
but Wicked is here
and he has something
to refute.
Okay.
He's backing down
and saying that
you're entirely right.
Okay.
All right then.
Thanks Wicked
for that input.
Again,
we won't know
until we check out
but I guess
other people
can go to those websites
and tell us
just how true
how much of a threat
that is.
All right.
212-209-2900
is our telephone line.
Let's go over here.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hey Manuel.
Hi.
How are you doing?
I just wanted to tell you
some things
about the radio thing
before I help you out
with that calling thing.
What?
Help me out?
No listen.
You tell me something
that's like really
really interesting.
Okay.
There's a radio station
on the internet.
Yes.
Wait.
It's like an internet
TV channel.
Isn't that what channel?
It's an internet
TV channel.
Are you using Sprint?
I'm using
Bill Hiddick Mobile.
You sound like Sprint.
Well,
there is echo
on this line.
Wow.
It's a very good service.
Anyway.
Got that Sprint sir.
I'll get to that in a minute.
Yeah.
Okay.
It's an internet
TV channel.
What it does is
it's a TV studio
but it's only broadcasted
on the internet.
If you have
the real video player
the real video player
which does
the real audio
and video
you can watch it
and listen.
What's on this TV station?
It's the thing
where you can
it's not regulated
by anybody.
You can say
whatever you want.
You can express
however you want.
Okay.
But who is the you?
It's
well the people
who are broadcasting
there's different shows.
There's music shows.
There's talk shows.
There's you know
different news.
Not news
but like
different people
do different things
on this program.
What is the URL?
It's
pseudo.com
It's
P-E-U-D-O
dot com.
Okay.
Sudo's been around
for quite some time
so yes
we're aware of them.
Okay.
So you know
you're aware of them.
Yes.
It's not always video.
Most of the time
it's radio
but they do have both.
That's true.
But the thing is
the good thing is
that you can
being that it's on the internet
you can say
whatever you want
and express
however you want
as opposed to
the free airwaves.
Yeah.
I know what you mean.
All right.
Thanks very much.
That was a very
interesting bit of news.
Now we must go on
to the next person.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hey Emmanuel.
It's Jeff from Staten Island.
How are you doing?
How are you tonight?
Pretty good.
I have a question for you.
You always talk about
Spring, Omnipoint,
Bell Atlantic.
What do you think
about Nextel?
You know I've never
actually used Nextel
so I'm open to
it's just I don't want
to walk around
with three phones
so that's why
I haven't gotten
their service.
I'd like to know
if people have used
their service
that are happy with it.
You know I have not
heard very much actually.
Okay.
All right.
That answers my question.
All right.
Thanks, Michael.
Thanks.
I don't know.
Not very many people
seem to use it.
You know everybody I know
either carries a Sprint
or Omnipoint phone.
I don't know anybody
who carries Nextel.
It's a whole other
group of people.
All right.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello.
How are you doing?
Let me go on my radio here.
Yes.
Yeah.
I got this bill.
I have no long distance
on my phone.
Okay.
I live in New York.
You have no long distance
service at all.
Right.
And I get this bill
from AT&T.
Right.
Right.
They charge you
for not having the company.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's not.
It's for calls.
Actual phone calls.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
All right.
It's charges
that were made
to my phone number.
Okay.
What kind of charges?
It's a third number
of charges
and they were from
like New Jersey.
They were from
Pennsylvania
and they were just
charged to my number.
All right.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you have third number
blocking through
Bell Atlantic?
No, I don't.
Okay.
You need to get that
right away
because you can
be held liable
for those calls
if you don't get
that service.
It's not really a service.
It's an option
and there's no reason
for anybody
to be able to
bill numbers to you
third number
billing like that.
when I tried this
AT&T, they just
put the calls
through.
In other words,
you could just
bill it to anybody.
So I'm doing
and I'm telling
AT&T that they said,
well, did anybody
in your house
accept these?
I said, no,
because it's just
me and my wife.
And then I'm
going through
this whole thing
with AT&T,
but then they said,
well, somebody
must have accepted them
when in reality,
you know,
when you place a call,
you can actually
bill it to somebody's
number.
What kinds of numbers
were the calls
coming from?
They were coming
from different
people's residences
and businesses.
It was one
from a hotel,
I think.
Okay, here's the deal.
From pay phones,
they require
some sort of
human intervention.
Yeah, from verification,
but from a phone
that's not a pay phone,
they just put it through.
That doesn't make sense.
Right.
You can most definitely
have AT&T
take all of those off.
You might have to
stay on the phone
with them longer
than you want to
and yell at them
and stuff like that,
but they will
take it off in the end.
And if,
worst case scenario,
they don't,
you can have
Bell Atlantic
separate that portion
of the bill.
And since you don't
have a long-distance company,
that shouldn't be
a big problem.
Right.
The thing is that
if I had known
if AT&T calls
and I had known,
I wouldn't have
accepted them,
but it's like
I don't have
long-distance
and there's AT&T
coming on my bill.
Right.
Now, these people
are taking advantage
of a flaw in the system
and because you had
third number,
you didn't have
third number blocking
on because you
probably were never
told about it
by Bell Atlantic.
It just happened
to slip through,
but now you can
have that service
put on and not
have to worry
about this again.
Right, but my wife
sometimes makes
calls from payphones
and I, you know,
charge it to the house.
That's the thing.
I don't want the block
because sometimes
my wife puts calls
to...
Well, why not just
get a calling card
then and you can
do the same thing?
Yeah, that's the thing
that's what
maybe we should do.
Are you near an airport
or something?
Am I in Brooklyn?
Are you near an airport?
I'm sorry?
What's that noise?
I live near Newark Airport.
That's what I thought.
Okay.
All right.
That must be fun.
Oh.
Your house must shake
all the time, right?
Yeah, well,
not really, actually.
Yeah.
That's something.
That's something
how humans can adjust
to that.
Well, thanks very much
for calling
and good luck.
Wow.
Third number billing.
Amazing.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello?
Yes, go ahead.
Oh, hi.
It's Jack Rippo.
You know, I sent that email
but I don't really have time
to talk about the email.
Where are you calling from?
Kansas City.
Kansas City.
Yep.
Which one?
Well, actually,
I'm in a suburb in Kansas
right now.
Okay.
I was just wondering real quick,
have you ever tried
to call an A&I number
from your SIP sprint phone?
Have I ever tried
to call?
Actually,
give me one
and I'll try it right now.
Oh, one second.
Okay.
Do you have one handy?
Okay.
Well, yeah.
888-324-8686.
That was in the magazine
a while ago.
Okay.
Let's see if that works.
When I call it,
I get a number
that's not the phone number
which makes me think
it's something,
I don't know,
some kind of cell site.
I don't know what.
Well, it depends.
What kind of service
are you using?
It's sprint-PCS.
It's from the sprint-PCS phone.
It gives me a strange number.
Okay.
I'm getting my number,
my actual sprint-PCS phone number.
Yeah.
It's good.
I've called from other numbers
like other people
sprint-PCS phones
in the area too
and I get the same thing.
Uh-huh.
Let me try the Omnipoint.
What was the number again?
888-what?
888-324-8686.
888-324-8686.
Okay.
Let me try it on that one as well.
So, and, you know,
they're getting pretty sophisticated
as far as getting the right numbers.
Yeah, it's just kind of strange.
I think it's,
because every number I've called
from every PCS phone number
within this city
gives me the same number.
I'm not sure what it is, though.
Okay.
Omnipoint's not going through
for some reason.
Maybe I don't have a good signal.
Probably not.
Okay.
It just went through.
Anything else on your mind?
Not much, really.
That was about it.
Just wondering real quick.
Okay.
Okay.
Thanks for calling.
I'm not getting any audio
on the Omnipoint,
so we'll just have to
check that some other time.
Good evening.
You're on the radio.
Hello.
Yeah, speak up.
Hey, how are you doing?
This is Anakin from Toronto.
Toronto?
Yeah, I called a couple weeks ago.
An international call.
Yeah, and real audio
is going pretty good today.
Oh, great.
I just thought I'd call
and ask if I could read
an email that someone sent me
that was from John Markoff.
An email from John Markoff.
It's sent to you?
It's sent to someone else,
someone who sent it to me.
Okay, well, it's emailed to you,
so I guess it's fair game.
Okay, well, it says...
It's clean, isn't it?
Pardon me?
It's clean, isn't it?
Well, it's fairly clean.
I mean, you know,
Markoff can have that gutter mouth sometimes.
You've got to be careful of that.
Well, it's actually John Markoff
talking about John Littman.
Oh, now, you're definitely
going to get into
the four-letter word realm there
if he's talking about...
Well, it's a very short one.
He says...
Okay, go ahead.
John Littman is a dishonest
and untrustworthy person.
In fact, this is typical
of his high...
of his style of reporting.
If you chat with him again,
you might ask him
why he's never had the courage
to call me
and ask questions directly
while he was writing his book.
That's because Jonathan Littman
was asking this particular user
for emails that John Markoff
had sent him
about some arrest records
and stuff like that.
So apparently there's some
tension between those two.
Well, no, there's bad blood
between the Littmans
and the Markoffs.
That's been going on
since 1995
when the whole Mitnick thing started
or, you know,
the publicity around
the capture started.
And, of course,
John Markoff helped write
the book Takedown,
which is turning into a film
John Littman wrote
The Fugitive Game,
which basically critiqued
a lot of what John Markoff
had done going up
to the capture
of Kevin Mitnick,
his involvement in that.
So, yeah,
there has definitely been
lots of back and forth
between them.
I'm not sure how much directly,
but certainly I'm not surprised
by any of those comments.
I also wanted to clarify something.
In Takedown,
did it say that
Shimomura wrote
the Satan Analyst Program?
No, I think that was always
credited to Dan Farmer,
wasn't it?
Right, that's what I thought.
I thought I read
that he had written it.
I was also,
MLL stands for,
MLM stands for
Multi-Level Marketing.
Oh, okay.
That's, you know,
selling lists of people
to other people
who can sell them
to other people.
All right,
I got to brush up
on my spam speak.
I know these things.
Oh, that's crazy.
Anti-spam, spam.
It's like anti-matter and matter.
Is there legislation
in Canada
against this kind of thing?
In Canada,
I don't think we have
legislation against anything.
Uh-huh.
I don't really think
there should be legislation.
I just think, you know,
the internet community
should take care of this
itself and keep the government
out of it.
Well, basically,
I don't really get a lot of spam,
so I don't really,
it's not very important to me.
I don't get that much either,
but it annoys me
when I get spam
that says it's not spam
or spam that's like,
you know,
don't get spam
by getting our product.
Well, the guy has a good idea there.
I bet he's going to get
a couple $20 bills
in his mailbox.
I'll have some postal inspectors
knocking on his box, too,
I'll tell you that.
Yeah, because it's illegal,
isn't it?
Well, it's kind of like mail fraud.
Of course, he can expect to serve,
I think, what,
two years for that?
He, you know,
he won't be in jail
as long as Mitnick,
but it's definitely
a lot sleazer
than anything Kevin ever did,
I can tell you that right now.
Oh, yeah.
Well, thanks for taking the call.
All right.
And I like that you're taking
a lot more calls this week
than you have in previous shows.
You should do that more often.
All right.
Well, it basically means
I have to hang up
on people quicker.
Well, hang up on me now.
All right.
Good timing there.
212-209-2900.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello.
How are you doing?
Hi.
I love your show,
and I'd like to show my support
for Kevin Mitnick.
Shouts out to Max Fink
and Eugene out there.
Okay.
All right.
Well, this isn't a DJ program
where we give shout-outs to people,
but thanks for the support anyway.
212-209-2900.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Good evening.
I'm kind of a new listener.
Where are you calling from?
I'm calling from Westchester.
Westchester.
914 area code.
Way up here.
Yeah.
So what's on your mind?
Well, one question.
Well, actually, two questions.
One quickly.
Can you speak up a little bit?
You're kind of low.
I'm sorry.
That's better.
Okay.
Basically, a couple years ago,
there had been a story
on a local news.
I think it may have been
a network local program
which talked about
in Central Park
or Upper West Side,
they were starting
a program
of experimental
smart cards for cash.
Right.
They put up all these machines
everywhere.
Uh-huh.
And they gave them
to these affluent people
and they could make their purchases
in these places
and they kind of like ran this
and then it disappeared.
I didn't know what happened
to the story.
It was a couple of years.
And then this summer
in the Times,
there was a story
which talked about,
and I don't know
if this was connected,
but I assumed it was,
about the same area
of the city
and that people
weren't using the cards.
They had rejected them.
saying they already had
other beans
of cashless payment
and this was,
you know,
too inconvenient for them.
I was wondering
if you knew anything
about not only
the development
of like a smart card
that would include everything,
but why on earth
would they do marketing
on something like that
when they should already know
that, you know,
people aren't going
to go out of their way
unless they're forced to
or unless there's
like a controlled study
in a highly populated area
like that.
It seemed kind of strange to me.
Well, I know
they picked the Upper West Side
I think because
there's a lot of,
you know,
financial stuff
going on up there,
people spending lots of money,
people using cellular phones
and ATMs
and things like that.
I guess they figured
that was a good,
you know,
test market
for this kind of
new technology,
but I've heard
surprisingly little
about the results of it.
I think it was last year.
I don't think it was
a couple of years ago.
Last year,
if they were using this,
you know,
you could buy anything,
groceries or whatever,
you know,
with a little smart card
and that's basically,
you know,
all I heard about it.
Right.
And also,
there was another question
I have.
If you know anything
about the setting up
of global positioning satellites
and whether there was a project
that was under completion
or has been completed
which would cover
the entire planet
or whether that's,
you know,
that capability
is already in place
or not.
I think a lot of it
is already in place.
I know GPS technology
is definitely
one of the hottest things
out there now
with, you know,
things like
old Russian satellites
being used
to take pictures
of people's houses
and, you know,
whatever it is you want,
GPS being installed
in new cars
and everybody walking around
with little tracking devices.
It's...
Well, those would generally be
for, like,
say, areas of the world
that are, you know,
densely populated
or, like,
highly technical.
But if there's more
remote areas of the world
or areas that were
not technically
in demand,
that kind of technology
was not in demand,
you know,
may not be covered
is what I'm basically saying.
Like, the ability
to track someone
everywhere on the planet
is basically the question
I have, you know,
if that kind of technology
is already in place
or...
Yeah.
You see,
I know the goal,
if it has not already
been achieved,
is to certainly cover
the four corners
of the Earth
no matter where you...
If you're standing
on the North Pole,
you'll be able
to get a cellular
phone call off,
you know,
one of the low-orbit
satellites,
and you'll be able
to, you know,
have your position...
Or be tracked
if you're a fugitive or...
Of course.
And, you know,
you have to believe
that the government
is very interested
in being able
to track everybody
and know exactly
where we all are
at all times.
The only thing is,
you know,
they haven't quite
gotten over the problem
of how do you force
people to carry
these things.
I guess that was...
The way I'm connecting
the questions
is basically that
if you're forced
to carry a card
to pay everything,
even when there's
no cash,
like you can't
even use cash.
Basically,
if your credit card
doesn't work,
if your checks run out,
whatever happens,
you always have cash.
But if you don't have
cash to fall back on,
then you're really
kind of relying
on the card.
That's true.
When the card
becomes a way of life
and people don't see
the threat
in having it,
you know,
there's no threat
to my privacy here,
I'm not hiding
from anything,
so I'll carry it.
You know,
it's sort of like
a LoJack type
of a thing
where, you know,
it's to your advantage.
You fingerprint
your kids
because when they
get kidnapped someday,
yeah, of course,
it's going to help
them out
and it's never
going to be used
against them.
You give your
social security number
out to sprint
because, yeah,
it's going to help
me somehow.
You don't see
the potential harm
in such actions.
Or Radio Shack
for that matter.
Or Radio Shack.
Yeah, well,
they'll just lose it
or type it wrong
or whatever.
But, yeah,
it's something
that's happening.
It's something
that is coming
one way or another
and, you know,
I think we have to be
really aware
of these things.
Watch it every step
of the way
because you have to
understand how some
people are thinking.
They're thinking,
yeah, you know,
we can track everybody.
They've already done this
with some people
who have committed
offenses.
I think there were
juvenile delinquists
in New Jersey
recently that this
happened to
where they were
being tracked
by satellite GPS.
They were forced
to carry these GPS
devices on them
so that they would
know if they
crossed state lines
or went someplace
they weren't
supposed to go.
So it's already
being introduced
in the prisoner
or, you know,
juvenile offender
population.
That's usually
the first step
in how it's going
to be put on
the rest of us.
It seems like
the marketing
aspect of it
was humorous to me
simply because
you know that
everything is going
to be something
that people want.
I mean,
you're never going
to willingly go
into, like,
slavery or,
you know,
you'll kind of,
like, dress it up
like, well,
you know,
if you get lost
in the Grand Canyon,
hey, we'll find you.
Right.
Well, like caller ID,
for instance.
I mean, you know,
who really wanted,
five years ago,
and you should listen
to some of our old shows
because you'll see
how the attitude
has changed.
Five years ago,
who wanted to send
their number
and advertise
their presence?
Not very many people,
but because there's
all these people
out there that are
calling you
with, you know,
bad intent
and harassing you
and threatening you,
there's this real threat
that they created
kind of on TV,
and now people say,
yeah, of course,
I want to know
who's calling me,
and it's become
an accepted practice,
and you don't see
the, you know,
the privacy issues
that existed a few years ago.
They've sort of been
wiped away.
It's impossible
to call somebody
and surprise them anymore,
you know?
They have anonymous
call rejection.
Well, how come I can
never track anyone
with Star 6 9?
It just never seems to work.
Probably because you live
up there in the boondocks
or something.
I don't know.
I'm not sure what kind of,
what kind of switch you have,
but if, what kind of,
what if it's a call
from, like, Connecticut?
I'm in New York.
Well, it should work.
Unless, are you getting,
what's the recording
you get when you try it?
Can't be returned?
The number can't be reached
using this,
using this method.
So that means
you have the service,
but it's not coming in
as a number.
I'm not sure if that's
coming in as unavailable
or blocked.
I think you get
a different recording
if it comes in as blocked.
So they might be calling
from a remote place.
It seems like, you know,
we get a lot of sales calls.
Uh-huh.
Well, the salespeople
know how to protect themselves
against that kind of thing
because they don't want
to be called back.
That's for sure.
I think that's what it is.
Yeah.
Well, anyway,
thanks for your comments.
Thanks for calling.
Keep listening.
We're out of time,
so I want to invite everybody
to listen again next week
when we'll update people
on these news events.
Thanks to everybody
who participated in the webcast.
And until next week
at this time,
this is Emmanuel Goldstein
for Off the Hook.
Have a good night.
The telephone keeps ringing
So I ripped it off the wall
I cut myself while shaving
Now I can't make a cough
It couldn't get much worse
But if they could, they would
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I hope that's understood
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