Off The Hook - 1999-09-28
[00:02.640 --> 00:05.740]  [SPEAKER_18]: ...assassination, in which the murder left no trail.
[00:05.920 --> 00:08.960]  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I'm glad you came back to that, Eric.
[00:08.960 --> 00:09.640]  [SPEAKER_01]: So the ones we know about are the failures.
[00:09.840 --> 00:11.640]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Eric, I'm glad you came back to that.
[00:12.080 --> 00:16.740]  [SPEAKER_01]: I read someplace about an intriguing phone call that happened after your dad died.
[00:16.940 --> 00:22.060]  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was quoted exactly the words, Lashbrook called CIA headquarters, am I correct?
[00:22.400 --> 00:26.740]  [SPEAKER_18]: He made a call to Long Island, proudly to the doctor who my father was seeing.
[00:27.820 --> 00:32.160]  [SPEAKER_01]: And, go ahead, you say the words, because I don't want to get them wrong.
[00:32.220 --> 00:41.240]  [SPEAKER_18]: Well, the call from the room, from Lashbrook to an unknown recipient of the call, who was probably the doctor that my father was seeing, the phone call consisted of two sentences.
[00:41.580 --> 00:43.360]  [SPEAKER_18]: Lashbrook said, well, he's gone.
[00:43.580 --> 00:45.660]  [SPEAKER_18]: The other end said, that's too bad.
[00:45.660 --> 00:46.720]  [SPEAKER_18]: And they both hung up.
[00:53.940 --> 01:01.540]  [SPEAKER_23]: Spend Saturday, October 2nd, in Washington Square Park with some of the best community activists in New York, WBAI listeners, and special musical guests.
[01:01.540 --> 01:15.640]  [SPEAKER_23]: Beginning at noon, listen to people like Dennis Bernstein, award-winning producer of KPFA public affairs program Flashpoints, Danny Schechter of Human Rights and Wrongs, prisoners' rights activist Eddie Ellis from the Community Justice Center, Iris Baez of the Anthony Baez Foundation,
[01:16.200 --> 01:25.300]  [SPEAKER_23]: William Harrell from the National Police Accountability Project, Steve Randell of FAIR, the East Timor Action Network, some of your favorite WBAI producers, and many others.
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[01:27.060 --> 01:36.120]  [SPEAKER_23]: 12 noon, Saturday, October 2nd, in Washington Square Park with special musical guests, WBAI listeners, and some of the best community activists in New York.
[01:42.120 --> 01:44.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: And this is radio station WBAI in New York.
[01:44.940 --> 01:46.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: The time is 8 o'clock.
[01:46.440 --> 01:48.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: That means it's time for Off the Hook.
[01:54.690 --> 01:59.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[02:00.110 --> 02:04.730]  [SPEAKER_14]: I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a cough.
[02:05.620 --> 02:10.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: It couldn't get much worse, but if they could, they would.
[02:10.270 --> 02:12.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: Bum-diddly-bump are the best, expect the worst.
[02:13.450 --> 02:15.390]  [SPEAKER_15]: I hope that's understood.
[02:15.710 --> 02:16.470]  [SPEAKER_15]: Bum-diddly-bump!
[02:16.470 --> 02:16.670]  [SPEAKER_15]: Good
[02:49.250 --> 02:54.830]  [SPEAKER_16]: evening.
[03:17.400 --> 03:26.260]  [SPEAKER_11]: There is a place where you can hide away and let the music in your mind just take control.
[03:28.960 --> 03:33.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: There is a place where you can fly away
[03:41.320 --> 03:54.740]  [SPEAKER_10]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[03:55.080 --> 03:56.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: The program is off the hook.
[03:56.420 --> 03:57.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you.
[03:58.140 --> 03:58.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: Isaac's here as well.
[03:59.100 --> 03:59.620]  [SPEAKER_02]: How are you doing, sir?
[03:59.860 --> 04:00.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty good, how are you?
[04:00.740 --> 04:01.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I've been better.
[04:02.480 --> 04:02.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
[04:02.980 --> 04:03.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: Bad day?
[04:03.940 --> 04:04.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: Every day is a bad day.
[04:04.960 --> 04:07.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, couldn't it compare to me trying to get here on time?
[04:08.140 --> 04:11.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: All the morons trying to get to the baseball game late or something.
[04:12.000 --> 04:14.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what's going on out there, but everyone's driving really, really slow.
[04:15.820 --> 04:17.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: But I made it.
[04:17.080 --> 04:17.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: I made it.
[04:17.360 --> 04:18.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's the important thing.
[04:18.700 --> 04:22.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: And the other important things are some updates on what we were talking about last week.
[04:24.280 --> 04:33.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Specifically, if you can recall, way back seven days ago, we kind of exposed an embarrassing little security hole.
[04:33.000 --> 04:33.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Who's?
[04:34.280 --> 04:35.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're really out of it, aren't you?
[04:35.500 --> 04:36.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: You need to lay off the drugs.
[04:37.320 --> 04:38.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: You really do.
[04:38.400 --> 04:39.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my.
[04:39.440 --> 04:39.620]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[04:40.500 --> 04:41.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: Or get better drugs.
[04:41.720 --> 04:42.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[04:42.360 --> 04:42.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, okay.
[04:42.700 --> 04:43.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: One of the two.
[04:44.120 --> 04:54.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: As you recall, last week, we exposed this hospital someplace in the United States that was allowing its dictation system to be listened to by anybody.
[04:54.420 --> 04:55.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: St. Joseph Mercy?
[04:55.560 --> 04:57.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: St. Joseph Mercy Hospital, yes.
[04:57.360 --> 04:59.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not just not remembering.
[04:59.360 --> 05:00.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to...
[05:00.400 --> 05:00.940]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, never mind.
[05:01.040 --> 05:03.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: We had no idea where this hospital was.
[05:03.900 --> 05:06.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we just knew it was called St. Joseph Mercy.
[05:06.100 --> 05:10.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: We got mail after the show, mail from a number of sources saying, Oh, yeah, that's right in my backyard.
[05:10.820 --> 05:12.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's in Los Angeles.
[05:12.240 --> 05:13.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's in Baltimore.
[05:13.040 --> 05:15.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's in Chicago.
[05:16.040 --> 05:16.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: All over the place.
[05:17.000 --> 05:17.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: Everyone thought it was theirs.
[05:18.300 --> 05:21.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, turns out that it wasn't in any of those places.
[05:22.900 --> 05:24.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: One news source picked it up.
[05:25.080 --> 05:28.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Of all the news people out there, you figure you do it on a 50,000-watt radio station.
[05:29.080 --> 05:30.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: You expose something this significant.
[05:30.880 --> 05:35.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Private patient information just out there on an 800 number for anybody to listen to.
[05:35.480 --> 05:36.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: No password.
[05:36.480 --> 05:39.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: And the only people that thought it was an interesting story were the people at ZDTV.
[05:40.220 --> 05:44.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: So I have to commend for actually doing some work and researching the story.
[05:44.460 --> 05:45.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: They found out where the hospital was.
[05:45.800 --> 05:46.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: Really?
[05:46.300 --> 05:47.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: Dearborn, Michigan.
[05:47.440 --> 05:47.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
[05:47.880 --> 05:48.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[05:48.140 --> 05:53.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: Some very embarrassed people out there at the hospital that were notified of their security snafu.
[05:53.720 --> 05:54.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: They took it offline.
[05:54.940 --> 05:57.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: I haven't checked it in the last couple of days.
[05:57.120 --> 05:58.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what happens when you call the 800 number.
[05:58.840 --> 06:03.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: However, I should put out a warning to them that I will be calling the 800 number again.
[06:03.600 --> 06:09.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm going to be checking to see if they have actually improved things or gotten it off an 800 number.
[06:09.540 --> 06:13.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: And if they have just taken it off an 800 number, be advised that I will find the other phone number.
[06:14.440 --> 06:17.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: And if there is no password on that, well, I'll be letting people know about that too.
[06:18.180 --> 06:20.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's kind of, you know, what we do around here.
[06:21.080 --> 06:23.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's too bad no one else thought it was an interesting story.
[06:23.420 --> 06:24.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: It didn't appear on CNN.
[06:24.400 --> 06:25.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: It didn't appear on MSNBC.
[06:25.600 --> 06:26.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wyatt had nothing to do with it.
[06:27.280 --> 06:29.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: So it's sad.
[06:29.120 --> 06:31.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: But at least ZDTV thought it was interesting.
[06:31.800 --> 06:34.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: They have a TV station too that a few people can see on DSS.
[06:35.520 --> 06:36.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: And maybe a couple other places.
[06:36.580 --> 06:37.760]  [SPEAKER_02]: ZDTV has a television station?
[06:37.960 --> 06:38.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, yeah.
[06:38.500 --> 06:39.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: You see, it's kind of weird.
[06:39.980 --> 06:41.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: They call themselves ZDTV.
[06:41.460 --> 06:43.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: And they are, I guess, a TV network.
[06:43.360 --> 06:44.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: But nobody can get them.
[06:44.200 --> 06:46.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're not on any cable networks that I know of anyway.
[06:46.500 --> 06:49.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: But you can get them if you get DSS.
[06:49.760 --> 06:56.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Satellite people who, if you recall, the people who shut down the satellite watch news newsletter.
[06:56.040 --> 06:57.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, those people.
[06:57.420 --> 06:57.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[06:58.180 --> 07:00.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a big involved story.
[07:01.600 --> 07:03.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: So that's the situation as far as that goes.
[07:04.900 --> 07:08.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Of course, there are other systems like that all over the place.
[07:09.480 --> 07:18.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: And if you have a hospital near you, or if you work in a hospital, or if you're a doctor or a lawyer, or anybody who might have access to this information, please let us know.
[07:18.800 --> 07:26.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let us know if there are any insecure systems out there because we want to bring them to the attention of people and show just how moronic and stupid the people in charge can be.
[07:27.320 --> 07:28.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Kind of get a kick out of doing that.
[07:28.880 --> 07:31.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: But the system is made by Dictaphone.
[07:31.460 --> 07:32.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: You may have heard of them.
[07:32.640 --> 07:33.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, those people.
[07:33.600 --> 07:36.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, they're the biggest dictating firm, I guess, around.
[07:37.000 --> 07:42.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: And there's a very advanced system that allows multiple users simultaneous access.
[07:43.400 --> 07:50.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's supposedly, according to the Dictaphone spokesperson, it has a password option, which is really pretty sad.
[07:50.760 --> 07:51.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: A password option?
[07:51.040 --> 07:51.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Option, yeah.
[07:51.740 --> 07:52.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: You can optionally choose...
[07:52.800 --> 07:55.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: Apparently, not everyone feels a password is in the best interest of security.
[07:55.980 --> 07:59.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what the logic is behind that, but if you...
[07:59.640 --> 08:02.620]  [SPEAKER_02]: If it's an internal system, I could possibly see that.
[08:02.720 --> 08:03.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I think they think...
[08:03.800 --> 08:05.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: You hook it up to an 800 number, come on.
[08:05.640 --> 08:09.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: They believe it's an internal system, and we're here to tell them that that's not the case.
[08:09.560 --> 08:19.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: So when you stick something onto the phone network or onto the internet or any kinds of other publicly accessible places, they shouldn't be surprised when the public gains access to it.
[08:19.900 --> 08:27.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: And they certainly shouldn't demonize the public for figuring it out, being curious, wandering around, things like that.
[08:27.880 --> 08:31.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, yeah, we're certain that such systems exist in other places as well.
[08:31.860 --> 08:42.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: And if you know of a system that you think is insecure or just open in some way, there are some systems that are, you know, insecure, but they still require passwords.
[08:42.600 --> 08:45.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: They may all have the same password, maybe something stupid like that.
[08:45.160 --> 08:46.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: Then there are systems with no passwords whatsoever.
[08:47.320 --> 08:49.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: All kinds of private information is out there.
[08:49.420 --> 08:51.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not the hacker's fault that that private information is out there.
[08:51.920 --> 08:57.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's the people running the systems, and we're here to discover that and spread the news.
[08:57.360 --> 09:02.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: So if you know of anything like that, please email us, OTH at 2600.com.
[09:02.800 --> 09:04.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: OTH, of course, stands for off the hook.
[09:04.060 --> 09:07.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: Or if you don't have access to the net...
[09:09.140 --> 09:11.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: There's actually people out there that don't have access to the net.
[09:11.640 --> 09:12.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: I know a couple.
[09:12.580 --> 09:12.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[09:12.920 --> 09:16.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, it's, you know, a lot of people don't like the net.
[09:16.180 --> 09:18.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: I realize that, because of what the net has become.
[09:18.340 --> 09:22.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: The net has become this over-commercialized entity, this humongous corporate weapon.
[09:23.180 --> 09:24.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: But it doesn't have to stay that way.
[09:24.780 --> 09:33.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: It can get back into the hands of the people, and the way that happens is more and more people get onto it and start designing it, start running it the way they want to run it.
[09:34.060 --> 09:36.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not a big, huge corporation yet.
[09:37.440 --> 09:45.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: But if you don't have access to the net, you can write to us off the hook, care of WBAI, 120 Wall Street, New York, New York, 10005.
[09:46.200 --> 10:05.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we'll be certain to pay attention to each and every bit of news that we get, including this piece of news, which was forwarded to us through the privacy forum, which is an online newsletter.
[10:06.160 --> 10:07.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're on the privacy forum?
[10:08.080 --> 10:09.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're not on the privacy forum, no.
[10:09.620 --> 10:11.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: This was forwarded to us from the privacy forum.
[10:11.600 --> 10:13.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, somebody who is in the privacy forum.
[10:13.480 --> 10:16.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Someone read this and sent it to us, and now we're going to read it.
[10:17.020 --> 10:17.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: I see.
[10:17.600 --> 10:18.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Unless you have any more questions.
[10:18.820 --> 10:19.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry.
[10:22.520 --> 10:27.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is defined as a bizarre and certainly ironic situation.
[10:28.440 --> 10:30.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Intuit, makers of Quicken.
[10:30.320 --> 10:31.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Are you familiar with them?
[10:31.280 --> 10:32.780]  [SPEAKER_02]: The checkbook balancing thing.
[10:32.860 --> 10:32.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[10:33.480 --> 10:44.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Other extremely widely used financial software packages had a website, http.privacy.intuit.com, that presented various information regarding their privacy policies.
[10:45.560 --> 10:53.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: It also included a feature which allowed any registered Intuit customer to view and alter their privacy preferences.
[10:54.660 --> 11:00.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: This included data such as whether or not they wish to receive promotional materials from Intuit.
[11:00.860 --> 11:01.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: Am I saying that right?
[11:02.520 --> 11:03.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[11:03.340 --> 11:03.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not sure.
[11:03.900 --> 11:05.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not sure what I was saying Intuit.
[11:06.540 --> 11:07.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: As opposed to Out of It?
[11:07.860 --> 11:08.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, exactly.
[11:08.500 --> 11:09.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't want to say that.
[11:09.440 --> 11:10.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to say Intuit.
[11:10.400 --> 11:12.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: And if I'm pronouncing it wrong, so what?
[11:13.380 --> 11:18.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Promotion materials, how they should or should not be contacted, email, phone, etc.
[11:18.000 --> 11:24.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: and whether or not their name and address would be released to outside firms.
[11:24.900 --> 11:32.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: To access this feature, the customer needed to supply their last name, zip code, and...
[11:32.140 --> 11:34.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'll leave you to guess this, Isaac.
[11:34.320 --> 11:35.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: Area code.
[11:35.580 --> 11:37.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's a very good guess, but you're wrong.
[11:37.220 --> 11:37.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: First name.
[11:37.600 --> 11:38.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, no.
[11:38.800 --> 11:39.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're totally wrong.
[11:39.620 --> 11:41.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: Street address, road name?
[11:41.820 --> 11:43.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: What's the absolute worst thing you could think of?
[11:44.460 --> 11:45.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: Social security number.
[11:45.700 --> 11:45.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: No.
[11:46.580 --> 11:47.740]  [SPEAKER_02]: Worse than a social security number?
[11:47.820 --> 11:48.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Worse than a social security number.
[11:49.060 --> 11:54.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Keep in mind, this is to get the information, you have to supply your last name, your zip code, and...
[11:56.320 --> 11:57.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: And a...
[11:57.120 --> 11:58.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: pick a number from 1 to 10.
[11:58.820 --> 11:58.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
[11:59.420 --> 12:00.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, almost as bad.
[12:00.440 --> 12:00.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Nothing.
[12:01.000 --> 12:01.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing?
[12:01.420 --> 12:01.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Nothing at all.
[12:02.080 --> 12:04.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's all you needed was a last name and a zip code.
[12:04.120 --> 12:05.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you know how easy it is to get that information?
[12:06.000 --> 12:06.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good God.
[12:07.420 --> 12:20.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Upon entering any last name and zip code, and given the number of Intuit customers, a hit would be pretty likely for most common names, the user would see the associated first name, city, and last four digits of phone number for that person.
[12:20.780 --> 12:21.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's nice.
[12:21.620 --> 12:25.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: And then you could pretty much figure out, you know, based on zip code, what exchanges were there.
[12:25.900 --> 12:28.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: You'd get the phone number within a matter of moments.
[12:28.360 --> 12:30.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is why you should never give out your information to anybody.
[12:30.700 --> 12:32.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: Is it the normal zip or the zip plus four?
[12:32.700 --> 12:34.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, I think it's just a normal five-digit zip code.
[12:34.600 --> 12:38.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: The user could then freely modify the privacy preferences for that customer.
[12:38.880 --> 12:39.240]  [SPEAKER_16]: That's nice.
[12:39.500 --> 12:43.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Needless to say, I immediately expressed my concern over the situation to Intuit officials.
[12:43.800 --> 12:59.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Within a few days, I was contacted by their VP corporate communications informing me that the preference access features of the site had been shut down and that any users attempting to access them would be directed to an 800 number where they could instead get information about patients in the hospital.
[13:01.300 --> 13:02.860]  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, that's not really there.
[13:02.860 --> 13:04.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, I embellished a little bit on that.
[13:04.900 --> 13:05.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, okay.
[13:05.560 --> 13:14.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: A live customer service representative would then verify their contact information before performing any preferences or any preferences changes, that is.
[13:14.740 --> 13:21.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Intuit plans to restore the web preferences feature to the site after making security enhancements probably within a month or two.
[13:22.060 --> 13:28.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this telephone thing, is it anything like Sprint PCS's password where, you know, if you ask really nicely, they'll give you a hint?
[13:30.100 --> 13:32.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: That'll give you five guesses and one big hint each time.
[13:34.180 --> 13:35.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: God bless Sprint.
[13:35.300 --> 13:39.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: The fact that Intuit responded promptly to my concerns by closing down the feature is to be commended.
[13:39.380 --> 13:47.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: One must still wonder, however, about the chain of events and review which permitted such an obviously flawed feature to have been implemented in the first place.
[13:47.340 --> 13:48.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Nobody stopped it.
[13:48.120 --> 13:52.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's all too common a sort of situation.
[13:53.760 --> 13:57.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I see remarkable parallels between that and what we did last week.
[13:57.120 --> 14:01.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: Just something that's so obviously stupid and wrong, but they did it anyway.
[14:03.160 --> 14:04.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's really, really silly.
[14:04.660 --> 14:05.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hey, look what I have here.
[14:05.640 --> 14:06.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: What do you have?
[14:06.220 --> 14:07.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Brand new issue 2600.
[14:07.680 --> 14:08.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to throw it over to you.
[14:08.700 --> 14:09.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Try to catch it this time.
[14:11.060 --> 14:12.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I think you're getting worse.
[14:12.620 --> 14:15.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, even if I don't catch it, I never hang on to them if you recall.
[14:15.440 --> 14:15.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[14:17.100 --> 14:18.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: I just got this yesterday, actually.
[14:18.880 --> 14:19.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, this is really cool.
[14:19.760 --> 14:23.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it should be popping up on newsstands well, in the near future.
[14:24.920 --> 14:26.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know where we get these pictures.
[14:26.280 --> 14:26.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: I really don't.
[14:27.480 --> 14:28.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's amazing.
[14:28.420 --> 14:29.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is pretty cool.
[14:29.180 --> 14:29.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's really cool.
[14:30.100 --> 14:33.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's almost cooler than anything we've done before, but then again, maybe it's not.
[14:34.040 --> 14:37.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: But that's the fall 1999 issue.
[14:38.220 --> 14:39.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Just got released.
[14:40.600 --> 14:43.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, we have some updates on...
[14:44.380 --> 14:47.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: As you recall, last week we were talking about network solutions.
[14:47.800 --> 14:48.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, those people.
[14:48.680 --> 14:48.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[14:49.460 --> 14:52.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, I have to correct you on something,
[14:57.680 --> 14:59.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, NSI has a lot of competition.
[14:59.440 --> 15:00.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I can prove it to you.
[15:00.700 --> 15:01.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: I can prove it to you.
[15:01.500 --> 15:03.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: I have to be very careful about the way I prove this, though.
[15:03.660 --> 15:03.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[15:04.540 --> 15:11.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: As you recall, NSI has always had a certain, how shall I say, puritanical view on domain names.
[15:11.480 --> 15:13.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: There are certain names you just cannot get.
[15:14.620 --> 15:17.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you can tear yourself away from 2600 for a second.
[15:17.280 --> 15:17.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[15:18.100 --> 15:20.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: You recall there are certain words you can't use in domain names.
[15:21.180 --> 15:22.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: Certain words we can't say on the air.
[15:22.540 --> 15:23.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: Very similar to the words that we can't use on the air.
[15:23.900 --> 15:26.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, they are the words we can't say on the air, but there's a bunch of other words, too.
[15:26.860 --> 15:27.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[15:27.780 --> 15:29.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you couldn't register it.
[15:29.200 --> 15:33.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you registered it, you got a letter back saying, we reserve the right.
[15:33.760 --> 15:39.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know how you reserve these rights, but they reserve the right not to assign certain names because of offensive blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[15:40.380 --> 15:46.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, if that is the case, Isaac, explain to me how I managed to get the site.
[15:47.460 --> 15:48.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: How do I say this?
[15:48.540 --> 15:50.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's one of the words.
[15:50.360 --> 15:51.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's the word that begins with F.
[15:52.580 --> 15:53.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[15:53.040 --> 15:56.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: immediately followed by the name Giuliani.com.
[15:57.260 --> 15:58.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: Why would you want to register that?
[15:58.680 --> 16:01.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, because it's the first thing that popped into my head and Bush was already taken.
[16:03.560 --> 16:05.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: In fact, all variations of Bush were taken.
[16:06.000 --> 16:06.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: Bush, George W.
[16:07.080 --> 16:07.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: Bush, G.W.
[16:07.640 --> 16:08.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Bush, they were all taken.
[16:08.440 --> 16:08.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: All taken.
[16:08.800 --> 16:16.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: The answer is that you went to one of the little companies that has bought access to NSI's database and you bought it from them.
[16:16.340 --> 16:17.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, NSI, yes.
[16:17.320 --> 16:18.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, I can explain this to you as well.
[16:18.920 --> 16:22.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: NSI is still maintaining the actual...
[16:22.420 --> 16:22.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[16:23.160 --> 16:27.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: But they're not the only ones with the database.
[16:28.080 --> 16:30.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you do a who is, you will not get that information from them.
[16:30.500 --> 16:31.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: You'll get it from another company.
[16:31.540 --> 16:31.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Correct.
[16:32.160 --> 16:36.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: But the other companies will add to NSI's database on their own accord.
[16:36.520 --> 16:36.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
[16:37.180 --> 16:38.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: But that is competition and it's also...
[16:38.780 --> 16:39.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not competition.
[16:39.620 --> 16:40.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yes, it is.
[16:40.200 --> 16:40.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely.
[16:40.760 --> 16:41.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's cheaper for one thing.
[16:42.200 --> 16:46.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's only $50 to go through one of these companies as opposed to $70 through NSI.
[16:47.360 --> 16:47.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[16:47.480 --> 16:49.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's competition on that level.
[16:49.220 --> 16:54.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I agree there is still the database issue but that is being dismantled.
[16:54.620 --> 16:57.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'll read you an agreement which just came down today.
[16:57.700 --> 16:59.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: You remember when Apple released clones?
[16:59.960 --> 17:00.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
[17:00.820 --> 17:04.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: You remember how long clones of Apple products were out there?
[17:05.480 --> 17:07.140]  [SPEAKER_02]: Because Apple pulled the plug.
[17:07.420 --> 17:08.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: They said, you know what?
[17:08.780 --> 17:10.240]  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't like these clones anymore.
[17:10.240 --> 17:12.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: They're cutting into our profit margin too much.
[17:12.700 --> 17:14.620]  [SPEAKER_02]: And they just said, nope, sorry, you can't do it anymore.
[17:14.680 --> 17:16.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: NSI does not have that authority.
[17:16.980 --> 17:21.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: NSI is not this independent company that can just dictate terms.
[17:21.500 --> 17:23.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, let me read you what happened today.
[17:23.600 --> 17:31.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: On September 28, 1999, that is today, the Department of Commerce, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, known as ICANN, and...
[17:31.960 --> 17:32.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, ICANN.
[17:32.380 --> 17:32.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Don't get me started.
[17:32.980 --> 17:40.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: ...Network Solutions, Inc., NSI, announced that they had tentatively reached a series of agreements to resolve outstanding differences among the three parties.
[17:41.940 --> 17:48.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: The ICANN board actively encourages the global internet community to review the proposed agreements and submit comments via the ICANN public comment forum.
[17:48.980 --> 17:50.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: They haven't talked October 29th to do that.
[17:50.660 --> 17:52.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: Who are they asking for comments from?
[17:52.280 --> 17:53.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: From the general public.
[17:53.300 --> 17:53.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: From the general public.
[17:54.160 --> 17:54.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's you and me.
[17:54.720 --> 17:55.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[17:55.140 --> 17:55.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, isn't that nice of them?
[17:55.880 --> 17:56.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[17:57.980 --> 18:03.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: The resolution of issues among these entities is embodied in five agreements.
[18:04.100 --> 18:06.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: A registry agreement between ICANN and NSI.
[18:06.600 --> 18:13.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: A revised registrar accreditation agreement between ICANN and all registrars registering names in the .com, .net, and .org domains.
[18:13.400 --> 18:19.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: A revised post-testbed registrar license and agreement between NSI and all registrars registering names in those domains.
[18:20.580 --> 18:23.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: An amendment of various sorts.
[18:24.240 --> 18:25.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let me just read it in English.
[18:25.480 --> 18:26.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's probably better.
[18:26.600 --> 18:28.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: NSI will recognize... It's not written in English.
[18:28.740 --> 18:30.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's written in bureaucraties.
[18:30.440 --> 18:42.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: NSI will recognize ICANN and agree to operate the registry in accordance with provisions of the registry agreement between ICANN and NSI and the policies established by ICANN in accordance with the terms of that agreement.
[18:42.960 --> 18:44.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: Why is anyone recognizing ICANN?
[18:44.940 --> 18:46.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, how do you propose we do it?
[18:46.360 --> 18:46.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't.
[18:47.300 --> 18:48.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: They came out of nowhere.
[18:49.440 --> 18:50.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: Where the heck did ICANN come from?
[18:51.420 --> 18:52.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not sure, to be honest.
[18:52.740 --> 18:53.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody gives.
[18:53.660 --> 18:53.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[18:54.200 --> 18:54.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, the thing is...
[18:54.760 --> 18:55.500]  [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody knows who gave them authority.
[18:55.500 --> 18:57.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: You have to have somebody overseeing NSI.
[18:57.900 --> 18:58.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[18:58.520 --> 19:00.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Because NSI is a monopoly.
[19:01.080 --> 19:01.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: Understood.
[19:01.480 --> 19:03.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: So why not break the monopoly?
[19:03.760 --> 19:05.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, that's, I think, what this is attempting to do.
[19:06.000 --> 19:11.100]  [SPEAKER_02]: By instead putting another bureaucracy on top of it who will have even more sweeping powers than NSI did?
[19:11.200 --> 19:13.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: We can't go down there and say monopoly go away.
[19:13.680 --> 19:14.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, there has to be an entity...
[19:14.740 --> 19:14.740]  Why?
[19:14.740 --> 19:15.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: It happened to AT&T?
[19:15.620 --> 19:17.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, Judge Green broke them up.
[19:17.580 --> 19:21.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, Judge White will have to break up NSI.
[19:21.880 --> 19:22.940]  [SPEAKER_02]: There is a Judge White, isn't there?
[19:23.640 --> 19:24.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably somewhere.
[19:24.000 --> 19:25.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: I could have sworn there was in, like, 8th District or something.
[19:25.940 --> 19:33.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Beginning January 15, 2000, NSI as registry will charge registrars $6 per registration year for the remainder of the term of the registry agreement.
[19:33.960 --> 19:37.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: The fee will remain at $9, that's what it is right now, until January 15th.
[19:38.640 --> 19:58.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: NSI will agree to use its best commercial efforts to implement, by January 15th, modifications to the shared registration system that will enable a registrar to accept registrations and renewals in one-year increments and, basically, enable a registrar to add one year to a registration period upon transfer of a registration from one registrar to another.
[19:58.500 --> 20:01.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, basically, you can pick and choose different companies.
[20:02.480 --> 20:18.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: NSI will be contractually obligated to provide equivalent access to the shared registration system to all registrars accredited by ICANN, including NSI acting as a registrar, and to ensure that the revenues and assets of the registry are not utilized to advantage NSI's registrar activities to the detriment of other registrars.
[20:22.000 --> 20:30.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Upon the expiration of the agreement, ICANN will conduct a process for selecting a successor registry in which NSI may compete on an equal basis.
[20:30.360 --> 20:41.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, basically, I think that's a period of three or four years where NSI will no longer be the only entity running the database.
[20:41.080 --> 20:46.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it will be, instead, whoever contributed the most money to ICANN, since they're $800,000 in debt right now.
[20:48.120 --> 20:49.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I don't see that in this press release.
[20:49.960 --> 20:52.140]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, who is the press release from?
[20:52.300 --> 20:52.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: ICANN.
[20:52.760 --> 20:53.080]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[20:54.260 --> 20:55.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking for it.
[20:55.380 --> 20:56.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't see it there.
[20:56.600 --> 21:01.540]  [SPEAKER_02]: The last I heard, ICANN, was about $800,000 in debt, and they had to turn over to Nortel.
[21:02.260 --> 21:03.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: They went to Cisco.
[21:03.120 --> 21:08.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: They said, give us money so that we can keep online, so that we can continue our non...
[21:12.140 --> 21:13.260]  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's move on to another topic.
[21:13.260 --> 21:18.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: All accredited registrars also would be required to provide third-party bulk access to registration data.
[21:18.360 --> 21:19.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Not too crazy about that.
[21:19.640 --> 21:19.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: Who is?
[21:20.580 --> 21:25.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, all the registrars are going to provide all that information, I guess, to mass mailers and things like that.
[21:25.460 --> 21:26.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: NSI has been doing it for years.
[21:27.260 --> 21:27.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Who is?
[21:28.000 --> 21:28.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Who is what?
[21:28.960 --> 21:30.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the service that is being described there.
[21:30.900 --> 21:31.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you were asking me who is.
[21:31.860 --> 21:32.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, who is data?
[21:34.280 --> 21:37.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: An annual fee that may not exceed $10,000.
[21:39.180 --> 21:39.620]  [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[21:40.100 --> 21:44.400]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the fee paid from the company to NSI for access to their database.
[21:44.980 --> 21:46.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Our private information.
[21:46.700 --> 21:50.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I think we should have a say in that, as far as whether or not...
[21:50.200 --> 21:50.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Why?
[21:51.340 --> 21:52.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's our personal information.
[21:52.860 --> 21:55.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Does the phone company just give out your information without...
[21:55.580 --> 21:56.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, yeah, they do.
[21:56.140 --> 21:56.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, they do.
[21:56.300 --> 21:57.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: But they're not supposed to.
[21:57.120 --> 21:57.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: They shouldn't.
[22:04.320 --> 22:07.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think they get in trouble when it's discovered they did that.
[22:08.120 --> 22:16.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, within six months, the InterNIC website, as well as the internic.com, internic.org, and internic.net domain names will be transferred to the Department of Commerce.
[22:17.320 --> 22:28.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Until the transfer is complete, NSI will maintain the internic.net website as a public information site with a directory of accredited registrars for .com, .net, and .org with hot links to those registrars.
[22:29.480 --> 22:31.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: So, folks, just be careful.
[22:31.300 --> 22:34.160]  [SPEAKER_02]: Go to a website like icanwatch.com.
[22:34.800 --> 22:35.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: Stay on top of this.
[22:36.100 --> 22:37.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: What's that, a bunch of paranoid Y2Kers?
[22:37.960 --> 22:40.220]  [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's a bunch of paranoid domain name enthusiasts.
[22:40.420 --> 22:40.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[22:40.980 --> 22:44.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I'm open to all kinds of alternative solutions.
[22:44.640 --> 22:45.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: I haven't really heard any yet.
[22:46.440 --> 22:50.980]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they usually involve, you know, rocket launchers or grenades or things like that.
[22:51.120 --> 22:53.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's probably why I'm not listening.
[22:53.620 --> 22:56.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: But in any event, if you go to...
[22:56.220 --> 22:58.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: The one I went to was firstdomain.net.
[22:58.740 --> 23:01.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you go there, you can register all the four-letter words you want.
[23:01.560 --> 23:02.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, actually, no, you can't anymore.
[23:02.560 --> 23:04.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: You wouldn't believe how fast they went.
[23:04.740 --> 23:05.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: It was unbelievable.
[23:05.680 --> 23:10.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: And some of the phrases, which I thought only I knew, no, they're out there.
[23:10.900 --> 23:12.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're pretty popular.
[23:14.360 --> 23:17.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: And as I said, most of the political ones are gone.
[23:17.180 --> 23:25.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: In fact, right now, you can connect your web browser, since there is a site there, to www.fourletterword, beginning with F, Giuliani.com, and you'll see.
[23:25.160 --> 23:26.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: And he's going to get really mad.
[23:27.080 --> 23:29.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, this museum thing, this is nothing.
[23:29.400 --> 23:29.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is nothing.
[23:29.900 --> 23:31.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: When he sees that, I don't know what he's going to do.
[23:32.040 --> 23:35.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even want to begin to think about the content on the site.
[23:35.840 --> 23:36.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
[23:36.300 --> 23:38.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's pretty raunchy stuff.
[23:39.280 --> 23:40.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Got it from newspapers.
[23:41.560 --> 23:42.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[23:42.100 --> 23:42.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: Continuing along here.
[23:42.940 --> 23:44.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, moving right along, please.
[23:45.900 --> 23:46.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: There we go now.
[23:46.800 --> 23:47.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: Ah, yes.
[23:48.020 --> 23:49.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is always fun.
[23:49.660 --> 23:50.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Information.
[23:50.320 --> 23:51.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Directory assistance.
[23:51.340 --> 23:52.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: AT&T.
[23:52.220 --> 23:53.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: Customer gouging at its finest.
[23:53.940 --> 23:57.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: I just called AT&T to ask how much directory information for England is.
[23:57.380 --> 23:59.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: $7.95.
[23:59.980 --> 24:02.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: In an era where a phone call from the U.S.
[24:02.160 --> 24:06.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: to England is only 10 cents a minute, why is directory information so expensive?
[24:06.400 --> 24:08.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Does anyone know of a much cheaper way?
[24:09.080 --> 24:14.120]  [SPEAKER_02]: Call somebody in England for 10 cents a minute and ask them where in the phone book said person is.
[24:14.400 --> 24:15.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Pretty much.
[24:15.700 --> 24:17.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's what I've been suggesting for years.
[24:17.520 --> 24:23.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, there is an opportunity here for somebody somehow to make a ton of money starting a business.
[24:23.400 --> 24:27.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: If they can figure out how to get paid for all the phone calls to them, they set up somebody in England.
[24:28.380 --> 24:29.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: Actually, you know what?
[24:29.060 --> 24:30.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: You don't even have to be in England.
[24:30.240 --> 24:34.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: You can just get the phone books and bring them over here and set up a phone number here.
[24:34.540 --> 24:34.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Why not?
[24:35.080 --> 24:35.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: How hard is that?
[24:35.920 --> 24:37.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe a 900 number.
[24:37.520 --> 24:40.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: I hate to actually encourage the use of a 900 number.
[24:40.340 --> 24:41.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: But if you have a cheap one...
[24:41.360 --> 24:44.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this would be a reasonable use of the 900 system.
[24:44.220 --> 24:47.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, like, you know, a 25-cent 900 number or a 50-cent 900.
[24:47.400 --> 24:47.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Can you do that?
[24:47.960 --> 24:48.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is that possible?
[24:48.640 --> 24:50.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you have to charge $9.95 a minute or...
[24:50.640 --> 24:51.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[24:51.500 --> 24:57.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: But if you can do it for a cheap enough price, of course, that also locks out a lot of people that can't dial 900 numbers.
[24:57.200 --> 24:58.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: So maybe you can work something out with that.
[24:59.180 --> 25:05.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe a subscription type of a thing where you subscribe via credit card and you can ask as many times as you want.
[25:05.240 --> 25:06.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: Or put something on the web.
[25:06.280 --> 25:07.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: You can always do that.
[25:07.540 --> 25:08.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know?
[25:08.940 --> 25:11.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: And basically, you have to do that for every single country, though.
[25:11.940 --> 25:13.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: You have to get the phone books for every single country.
[25:13.460 --> 25:14.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not necessarily.
[25:14.380 --> 25:16.380]  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you cover the most popular ones.
[25:16.420 --> 25:21.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure that the people who are calling you for the really cheap rate would let you slide on, you know, Zimbabwe's...
[25:22.860 --> 25:24.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: Zimbabwe's a very popular country.
[25:24.360 --> 25:28.200]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I picked something that was like a high letter value.
[25:28.820 --> 25:37.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, in any event, I think someone's got to figure that out because it's just... it's abominable that people have to pay that amount of money to get information.
[25:37.780 --> 25:38.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's just... it's wrong.
[25:39.140 --> 25:39.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's wrong.
[25:41.400 --> 25:44.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: So if you can figure out a way around that, please let us know.
[25:45.700 --> 25:49.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to be taking phone calls, 212-209-2900.
[25:51.060 --> 25:51.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Here's an interesting story.
[25:52.060 --> 25:54.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: You may have seen this in the paper.
[25:54.380 --> 26:01.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: 18-year-old convicted felon was jailed after he unloaded his .45-caliber Ruger semi-automatic pistol on a public telephone that apparently stole his change.
[26:03.640 --> 26:04.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yes.
[26:05.100 --> 26:06.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: What a terrific nation this is.
[26:07.980 --> 26:19.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: William DeJesus, I believe is how you pronounce it, faces a slew of charges in connection with the incident, including criminal mischief to telephone equipment, public discharge of a firearm, and being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm.
[26:20.460 --> 26:23.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: Criminal mischief to telephone equipment is a favorite.
[26:23.280 --> 26:27.280]  [SPEAKER_02]: I know people who have, like, been accused or found guilty of that.
[26:28.380 --> 26:30.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: Followed by the other charges, it's interesting.
[26:30.300 --> 26:33.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: Not only did he fail to get his .35 cents back, but the telephone remained in working order.
[26:36.680 --> 26:41.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: So it must have been a Bell-operated phone because those things can take a lot of abuse.
[26:41.420 --> 26:43.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the ones with, like, all the armor plating?
[26:43.320 --> 26:43.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[26:43.800 --> 26:43.980]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[26:44.200 --> 26:46.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you have to wonder why they built them that way in the first place.
[26:46.940 --> 26:47.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know now.
[26:47.580 --> 26:49.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: They know people are going to be unloading slugs into them.
[26:50.260 --> 26:51.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, unbelievable.
[26:51.400 --> 26:54.880]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they also have deterrents for people loading slugs into them.
[26:55.500 --> 26:56.680]  [SPEAKER_02]: The coin slugs?
[26:57.000 --> 26:57.460]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[26:57.560 --> 26:58.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: That was a joke.
[26:58.240 --> 26:59.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's time to move on to the phone calls.
[26:59.800 --> 27:01.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's 212-209-2900.
[27:01.620 --> 27:03.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's our telephone number.
[27:03.920 --> 27:05.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: The slug deterrent.
[27:05.900 --> 27:08.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's try not to overload the phone system this time.
[27:08.560 --> 27:09.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Everybody calm down.
[27:09.760 --> 27:12.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: And only one call per person.
[27:13.640 --> 27:16.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, and if you called last week, don't call again this week.
[27:17.240 --> 27:18.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's fair, right?
[27:18.020 --> 27:19.380]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's considerate.
[27:19.500 --> 27:21.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's considerate to the people that want to call this week.
[27:22.240 --> 27:24.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, 212-209-2900.
[27:24.300 --> 27:30.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let us know where you're calling from and what's on your mind, how we can help you, various things like that.
[27:30.520 --> 27:31.160]  [SPEAKER_02]: Slug resistant.
[27:31.520 --> 27:31.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[27:32.140 --> 27:32.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[27:32.720 --> 27:33.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[27:34.960 --> 27:35.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[27:35.560 --> 27:36.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: I didn't turn the microphone on.
[27:36.620 --> 27:37.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's start that over again.
[27:37.560 --> 27:37.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[27:37.880 --> 27:38.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[27:49.680 --> 27:50.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: Really?
[27:50.160 --> 27:51.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: Um, let's see.
[27:52.240 --> 27:58.360]  [SPEAKER_19]: Supposedly be able to break, uh, serious encryption and track people down to their keyboards.
[27:58.660 --> 28:01.400]  [SPEAKER_19]: And they're going to supposedly use it for foreign nations.
[28:01.760 --> 28:02.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
[28:02.320 --> 28:03.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, how are they going to do this?
[28:04.640 --> 28:13.300]  [SPEAKER_19]: Um, from what I can see here, it doesn't say much about it, but they claim to be able to recover long-deleted files, cut off floppy disk, the usual.
[28:13.540 --> 28:14.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, who's running this?
[28:14.830 --> 28:15.860]  [SPEAKER_19]: Uh, Department of Defense.
[28:16.220 --> 28:16.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Huh.
[28:16.800 --> 28:23.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: And they're targeting, they're supposedly targeting foreign people, but you're thinking they're going to target people here in the United States.
[28:23.500 --> 28:23.960]  [SPEAKER_19]: Right.
[28:24.180 --> 28:29.120]  [SPEAKER_19]: And it's like in Baltimore, Maryland, which is so close to the NSA, it's not funny.
[28:29.560 --> 28:29.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[28:29.940 --> 28:31.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's definitely within local calling distance.
[28:32.520 --> 28:40.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, that's, uh, that's something to be concerned about, obviously, but, uh, more of concern is people thinking that they're safe when they delete files.
[28:40.520 --> 28:49.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, you have to, you have to realize that those files can be recovered if not by the NSA or Department of Defense by, you know, somebody going through your trash or, uh, someone who gets access to your system somehow?
[28:50.060 --> 28:50.200]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yep.
[28:50.300 --> 28:55.740]  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, you got a text file on your hard drive who thinks deleted, and they get the disk, and they recover it, and you're screwed.
[28:55.900 --> 28:56.240]  [SPEAKER_19]: That's right.
[28:56.240 --> 29:10.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: I've always liked the DIA, uh, eight-step method for, uh, data deletion, where, uh, you take the file, you write over with its, uh, you write over it with zeros, you rewrite it with ones, you write it with, uh, a random mask, you write it with the inverse of the random mask,
[29:10.980 --> 29:20.440]  [SPEAKER_02]: you write it with ones, you write it with zeros again, and then you burn it, and then you have the eighth option of, like, drilling a hole into the drive, or, you know, Well, if you do that, you don't have to do the first seven options.
[29:20.720 --> 29:21.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, yes, you do.
[29:21.140 --> 29:21.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's important.
[29:22.200 --> 29:25.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, if you destroy the thing physically, what's the point of writing zeros over it?
[29:26.020 --> 29:26.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's not going to be readable.
[29:27.380 --> 29:27.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Why?
[29:27.740 --> 29:28.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: You throw it into the incinerator.
[29:29.040 --> 29:30.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: Come on, it's just magnetic media.
[29:30.660 --> 29:32.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but if you burn it, it's gone.
[29:32.040 --> 29:40.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: If I were to take that cassette out of the cassette deck and, like, shredded it, would it be possible with giving enough time and, like, reason to process it?
[29:40.900 --> 29:43.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you left the cassette lying around, yeah, of course.
[29:43.160 --> 29:43.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: In fact, I've done that.
[29:44.020 --> 29:50.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: But if you throw it into the fire and it goes away into a wisp of smoke, I challenge you to, you know, get something meaningful back out of that.
[29:50.980 --> 29:51.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think you'll be able to do it.
[29:51.860 --> 29:53.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is that for the... well, never mind.
[29:55.100 --> 29:56.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Anything else on your mind, caller?
[29:57.040 --> 29:59.620]  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, it's supposed to be staffed by a team of 80 personnel.
[29:59.860 --> 30:00.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[30:00.360 --> 30:03.460]  [SPEAKER_19]: And they claim to investigate espionage, murder, and other crimes.
[30:03.620 --> 30:04.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, boy.
[30:04.260 --> 30:05.520]  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't think we should trust them.
[30:06.240 --> 30:08.480]  [SPEAKER_02]: These are DOD civilian employees or...
[30:08.480 --> 30:10.160]  [SPEAKER_19]: I believe they're civilian employees.
[30:10.180 --> 30:10.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: Are they actual military?
[30:12.140 --> 30:12.500]  [SPEAKER_19]: Civilian.
[30:12.920 --> 30:13.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, that's going to be interesting.
[30:14.100 --> 30:15.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll look into it a little more.
[30:15.480 --> 30:15.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[30:16.000 --> 30:17.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, thanks for the tip on that.
[30:17.780 --> 30:24.460]  [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever happened to those Air National Guardsmen who were supposed to be rolling around all the mill sites to, like, take all the quasi-classified data off them.
[30:25.540 --> 30:27.160]  [SPEAKER_02]: We mentioned that, like, a year ago or something.
[30:27.200 --> 30:27.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.
[30:27.540 --> 30:28.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think they think they did it.
[30:28.920 --> 30:29.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[30:29.940 --> 30:31.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll see if they're right.
[30:31.180 --> 30:31.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[30:31.540 --> 30:31.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[30:31.980 --> 30:32.560]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hi, Emmanuel.
[30:32.560 --> 30:34.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: I recall hearing your voice last week.
[30:34.660 --> 30:36.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Therefore, we must move on.
[30:38.500 --> 30:39.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's a dial tone.
[30:39.280 --> 30:40.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't remember much from last week, but I remember him.
[30:41.020 --> 30:41.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[30:41.420 --> 30:41.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[30:43.440 --> 30:44.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Speak up, please.
[30:44.100 --> 30:44.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, go ahead.
[30:44.500 --> 30:46.040]  [SPEAKER_22]: Yeah, I just got a bit of a beef.
[30:46.580 --> 30:50.840]  [SPEAKER_22]: It seems there's nowhere in the world that I can go to become ungoverned.
[30:52.100 --> 30:54.720]  [SPEAKER_22]: If you could suggest somewhere, I'd really appreciate that.
[30:54.720 --> 30:56.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Like it, launch yourself into space, I suppose.
[30:58.080 --> 31:02.640]  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a large swath of Antarctica that is unclaimable by all nations.
[31:02.920 --> 31:03.420]  [SPEAKER_22]: Unclaimable?
[31:03.640 --> 31:03.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[31:04.440 --> 31:05.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a treaty.
[31:05.940 --> 31:09.980]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, those nations who are involved in the treaty cannot claim something.
[31:10.060 --> 31:14.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the 150th degree and like 90 or something in Antarctica.
[31:14.340 --> 31:18.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: And there's a large patch of Suffolk County, too, that no one can quite seem to...
[31:18.000 --> 31:20.960]  [SPEAKER_02]: You could also declare yourself a sovereign, which is kind of interesting.
[31:21.140 --> 31:22.020]  [SPEAKER_02]: Declare myself a what?
[31:22.280 --> 31:23.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: A sovereign nation.
[31:23.980 --> 31:25.460]  [SPEAKER_02]: Declare myself a sovereign nation.
[31:26.080 --> 31:30.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: First you go to Bellevue, and then once you're all checked in, you declare yourself a sovereign.
[31:31.020 --> 31:32.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: Call Isaac for more information on that.
[31:32.800 --> 31:34.160]  [SPEAKER_22]: Declare myself in a state of nature.
[31:34.300 --> 31:34.920]  [SPEAKER_22]: I'll try that.
[31:35.020 --> 31:35.560]  [SPEAKER_22]: Thanks for the advice.
[31:35.640 --> 31:35.940]  [SPEAKER_22]: All right.
[31:36.120 --> 31:38.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think we helped him very much, but I don't know if we can help people.
[31:39.300 --> 31:42.320]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's very difficult to escape somebody wanting to control your life.
[31:42.820 --> 31:47.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: There's all the area underneath the sea, which we have yet to claim.
[31:47.280 --> 31:51.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's those exclusive fishing zones and...
[31:51.700 --> 31:54.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but if you're on the bottom of the ocean, you start a little colony there...
[31:54.400 --> 31:54.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: Where are the ocean?
[31:54.700 --> 31:55.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[31:55.620 --> 31:57.660]  [SPEAKER_02]: In the middle of the ocean, yeah, that could be interesting.
[31:57.940 --> 31:58.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[31:58.520 --> 31:59.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[31:59.660 --> 32:00.300]  [SPEAKER_21]: Hey, Emmanuel.
[32:00.520 --> 32:00.840]  [SPEAKER_21]: It's Tommy.
[32:01.100 --> 32:01.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hi.
[32:01.340 --> 32:01.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: How are you?
[32:02.360 --> 32:03.660]  [SPEAKER_21]: Same thing, you know.
[32:03.880 --> 32:05.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: You didn't call last week, did you?
[32:06.280 --> 32:06.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, of course I did.
[32:07.480 --> 32:11.360]  [SPEAKER_21]: I just wanted to add a little side note about that ZDTV.
[32:11.620 --> 32:12.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, go ahead.
[32:12.020 --> 32:16.300]  [SPEAKER_21]: I actually saw the story because ZDTV also does a real media broadcast.
[32:16.680 --> 32:17.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, that's right.
[32:17.340 --> 32:18.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I should have mentioned that.
[32:18.280 --> 32:19.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: They're widely available.
[32:19.800 --> 32:39.660]  [SPEAKER_21]: I'm not sure if it's still up on the server, but if anyone has like a real audio G2, of course, you can go ahead and click the sidebar where the ZDTV link is, and then it automatically launches the top stories of the last couple hours or whatever, but the story was on the weekend wrap-up when they were talking about that,
[32:39.700 --> 32:47.860]  [SPEAKER_21]: and they were also talking about the fact that the iBooks are creating something in France also, like something wrong with the military.
[32:48.060 --> 32:48.340]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[32:48.660 --> 32:52.680]  [SPEAKER_21]: That was about it, and I got to run, so peace to everybody, and I'll talk to you soon.
[32:53.140 --> 32:54.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, thanks for calling.
[32:54.900 --> 33:02.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the iBook airport is supposed to operate on 2.4 gigahertz, and in France, that's reserved for military traffic.
[33:02.640 --> 33:03.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: How interesting.
[33:03.660 --> 33:04.360]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
[33:04.500 --> 33:04.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[33:04.820 --> 33:05.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[33:05.900 --> 33:06.820]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I have a question.
[33:07.000 --> 33:07.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: Go ahead.
[33:07.480 --> 33:13.880]  [SPEAKER_06]: The AMD K6-2 processor, I was curious to know, how does it rank in terms of...
[33:13.880 --> 33:18.440]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm getting an IBM computer refurbished with that chip in it, a 300 megahertz chip.
[33:18.620 --> 33:29.340]  [SPEAKER_06]: How does that compare to, say, a Solon, or maybe there's another low-end chip, but how would you classify it in terms of its performance characteristics?
[33:30.400 --> 33:31.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't deal with PC hardware.
[33:32.220 --> 33:33.720]  [SPEAKER_02]: I just like PC hardware greatly.
[33:35.340 --> 33:38.520]  [SPEAKER_02]: Probably the best people to ask are on tomorrow night in this time slot.
[33:38.760 --> 33:39.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, thank you.
[33:39.440 --> 33:40.060]  [SPEAKER_02]: Personal computer show.
[33:40.840 --> 33:43.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yep, heard every Wednesday from 8 to 9.
[33:43.200 --> 33:43.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[33:43.680 --> 33:44.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[33:45.660 --> 33:46.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Speak up, please.
[33:47.020 --> 33:47.840]  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, hi.
[33:48.420 --> 33:49.560]  [SPEAKER_00]: Michelle from Croton.
[33:49.560 --> 34:09.620]  [SPEAKER_00]: And I read recently where IDT, a company based in Hackensack, New Jersey, will plan to offer long-distance for $0.05 a minute and $3.95 a month and $0.05 if you sign up for their Internet service.
[34:09.820 --> 34:11.920]  [SPEAKER_00]: What can you tell me about this company?
[34:11.920 --> 34:13.340]  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not familiar with them.
[34:13.480 --> 34:15.400]  [SPEAKER_00]: And are you familiar with this offer?
[34:15.400 --> 34:21.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, IDT has been around for a while as an Internet provider and an alternative long-distance company as well.
[34:22.260 --> 34:27.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think their offer is actually for $0.04 and cheaper if you sign up with their Internet service.
[34:28.020 --> 34:34.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's interesting because you can get a somewhat higher rate on your home phone.
[34:34.720 --> 34:36.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not sure if it's $0.08 or $0.09 a minute.
[34:36.500 --> 34:47.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: The $0.09 and $0.3.5 deals are actually deals where you have to call up a particular number, a local phone number, and your call is routed over the Internet.
[34:48.660 --> 34:50.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we tested it out on the air a couple of times.
[34:51.060 --> 34:51.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't sound too bad.
[34:51.900 --> 34:55.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: But the fact is, you do have to call a different number to establish the connection.
[34:55.760 --> 34:59.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: And then once you do that, you enter your phone number, you enter your code, and then you pay that amount.
[34:59.700 --> 35:02.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, that's fine if you have free access to that number.
[35:02.980 --> 35:07.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: But if you have to pay to call that number, obviously that's more money that you have to spend.
[35:07.960 --> 35:09.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: So it can be a good deal.
[35:09.220 --> 35:12.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a little bit bulky to use, only for that reason.
[35:13.780 --> 35:16.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm not familiar with their Internet service, never actually used that.
[35:17.560 --> 35:22.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: But they are definitely a player in the phone and Internet business.
[35:22.280 --> 35:22.860]  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, great.
[35:23.020 --> 35:23.420]  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[35:23.600 --> 35:23.880]  [SPEAKER_00]: Good luck.
[35:24.000 --> 35:24.200]  [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
[35:25.800 --> 35:26.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's funny.
[35:26.420 --> 35:28.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: I still have them on one of my phone lines, but I forget which one.
[35:30.500 --> 35:31.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: You just have so many.
[35:31.660 --> 35:35.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: All these different phone lines have different companies attached to them for different things.
[35:35.080 --> 35:36.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: And I forget who has what.
[35:37.120 --> 35:39.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I just write the checks once a month.
[35:39.160 --> 35:40.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Whoever asks for money is how it works.
[35:41.700 --> 35:42.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[35:42.180 --> 35:42.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[35:43.180 --> 35:44.180]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, good evening.
[35:44.580 --> 35:45.000]  [SPEAKER_04]: How are you doing?
[35:45.000 --> 35:47.740]  [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to offer a thought.
[35:48.060 --> 36:06.000]  [SPEAKER_04]: And that is that if a person called last week and has an urgency, I think that, you know, a meaningful thing to put forth to an audience of thousands and thousands of New York City residents and now all the Internet listeners, I think it should be, you might say,
[36:06.460 --> 36:18.620]  [SPEAKER_04]: understood that the fact that they called last week and have the decency to try again, it should be somehow, you know, Rush Limbaugh uses the term dittos.
[36:18.780 --> 36:23.240]  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, in other words, you don't have to go through a whole big thing telling them how much you love them, how long you've listened.
[36:23.240 --> 36:24.820]  [SPEAKER_04]: And then you just say dittos.
[36:24.980 --> 36:26.900]  [SPEAKER_04]: And he knows and so does the audience.
[36:27.220 --> 36:35.700]  [SPEAKER_04]: And if a person said, hello, urgent, you know, then at least give that person a chance to say a word.
[36:35.840 --> 36:38.880]  [SPEAKER_04]: Because the point is that there may be urgency.
[36:38.900 --> 36:47.660]  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, for instance, in regard to the mosquito thing, I brought up the fact that no one's mentioned the sewers for stagnant water.
[36:48.180 --> 36:51.460]  [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't have that much rain before the recent hurricane.
[36:51.460 --> 36:52.500]  [SPEAKER_04]: Are you there, Emmanuel?
[36:52.500 --> 36:56.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I'm trying to tie this into what we're talking about.
[36:56.340 --> 37:00.140]  [SPEAKER_04]: And what I'm trying to say to you is, I brought up the idea of the sewers.
[37:00.360 --> 37:05.040]  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, you can spray from the air and eventually the monothion will get into the sewers.
[37:05.340 --> 37:15.300]  [SPEAKER_04]: But, I mean, if he at least covered the sewers right from the get-go, if he said, I've, you know, don't you think mosquitoes can work with the sewers?
[37:15.660 --> 37:17.040]  [SPEAKER_04]: Doesn't it make some sense?
[37:17.480 --> 37:17.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[37:17.920 --> 37:24.720]  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, not all the sewer water is probably moving, dynamic, where they want stagnant water.
[37:24.720 --> 37:33.520]  [SPEAKER_04]: I would tend to think that the sewers have a reasonable degree of some places where mosquitoes could breed.
[37:33.520 --> 37:37.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: So you're suggesting that the mosquitoes go there instead and leave us alone?
[37:37.220 --> 37:39.320]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let me say it this way to you, Emmanuel.
[37:39.500 --> 37:39.660]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[37:39.680 --> 37:53.460]  [SPEAKER_04]: I just wish, I mean, to just arbitrarily say to people who, maybe they were talking to you on an ongoing basis last week, and then this week they wanted to just say, I found out this information for you.
[37:53.500 --> 37:56.260]  [SPEAKER_04]: And then you say, I'm sorry, you spoke last week.
[37:56.260 --> 37:57.520]  [SPEAKER_04]: I recognize your voice, you're off.
[37:57.680 --> 37:58.480]  [SPEAKER_04]: You see my point?
[37:58.660 --> 38:03.500]  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't like to have to do this, but, you know, sometimes you have to, you know.
[38:03.680 --> 38:11.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, you see, there are some people out there that just call on many, many different lines at the same time and always have to get their voice out there and never say anything new.
[38:11.760 --> 38:13.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: And that's, it's to those people.
[38:13.180 --> 38:15.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you can't really define them that way because they don't recognize themselves that way.
[38:16.040 --> 38:17.180]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, let me say it this way.
[38:17.240 --> 38:19.320]  [SPEAKER_04]: You know I haven't spoken to you for a long time.
[38:19.720 --> 38:20.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[38:20.380 --> 38:26.360]  [SPEAKER_04]: And I have tried on a couple of occasions to reach you, and I haven't been able to get through.
[38:26.540 --> 38:27.860]  [SPEAKER_04]: But these things happen.
[38:27.880 --> 38:29.300]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not mad at you for that.
[38:29.440 --> 38:34.760]  [SPEAKER_04]: But I am mad when there might be somebody who, you know, really wants to reach us.
[38:34.920 --> 38:36.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: He could be trying to reach us right now.
[38:36.740 --> 38:37.220]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, bye-bye.
[38:37.640 --> 38:38.020]  Okay.
[38:38.960 --> 38:40.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: See, that's what you got to do.
[38:40.540 --> 38:41.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[38:41.340 --> 38:42.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's go over here.
[38:42.420 --> 38:42.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[38:42.840 --> 38:43.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[38:45.000 --> 38:45.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Speak up, please.
[38:46.700 --> 38:47.560]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, how you doing?
[38:47.740 --> 38:48.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, what's up?
[38:50.220 --> 38:51.380]  [SPEAKER_24]: Is this the orthoic number?
[38:51.520 --> 38:52.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, it is.
[38:52.100 --> 38:52.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[38:52.640 --> 38:53.980]  [SPEAKER_24]: Oh, hey, sorry about that.
[38:54.100 --> 38:54.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[38:54.680 --> 38:55.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a little disorienting, I know.
[38:56.060 --> 38:56.680]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah, it is.
[38:57.900 --> 38:59.000]  [SPEAKER_24]: I had this thing.
[38:59.140 --> 39:02.000]  [SPEAKER_24]: We signed up for cable phone service.
[39:02.880 --> 39:03.280]  [SPEAKER_24]: Okay.
[39:03.280 --> 39:06.660]  [SPEAKER_24]: And that's a new thing that the cable companies are providing.
[39:06.840 --> 39:07.000]  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[39:07.820 --> 39:09.180]  [SPEAKER_24]: And we had a situation.
[39:09.180 --> 39:12.540]  [SPEAKER_24]: We used to have AT&T for long distance, which I hate.
[39:13.440 --> 39:20.640]  [SPEAKER_24]: And we found out that AT&T can actually pull you back from your current long distance provider.
[39:20.880 --> 39:21.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
[39:21.960 --> 39:27.560]  [SPEAKER_24]: It was explained to me as we had a delinquent bill with them because we were disputing charges.
[39:28.260 --> 39:34.800]  [SPEAKER_24]: And they've actually pulled us right back from our current provider and then denied us access.
[39:35.160 --> 39:36.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: How can they pull you back?
[39:37.000 --> 39:38.240]  [SPEAKER_24]: Well, I thought that was slamming.
[39:38.740 --> 39:39.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: It certainly is.
[39:40.140 --> 39:40.940]  [SPEAKER_24]: That's what I thought.
[39:41.240 --> 39:47.480]  [SPEAKER_24]: I talked to four people at AT&T, and they all seemed to... it was understood that that's the way it works.
[39:48.160 --> 39:51.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you don't pay your bill with AT&T, they pull you back and deny you access.
[39:51.680 --> 39:52.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's what you're saying.
[39:52.400 --> 39:52.620]  [SPEAKER_24]: Yeah.
[39:52.900 --> 39:55.340]  [SPEAKER_24]: That's what I was told by four or five different people.
[39:55.840 --> 39:56.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: At AT&T.
[39:56.960 --> 39:57.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[39:57.220 --> 40:01.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: I suggest you talk to some people at the FCC and ask them their opinion on that.
[40:01.700 --> 40:03.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think they'll have a very different outlook.
[40:03.440 --> 40:05.580]  [SPEAKER_24]: I just wanted to know if you guys had ever heard of that before.
[40:05.640 --> 40:06.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, I never heard of that one.
[40:07.140 --> 40:08.780]  [SPEAKER_24]: I thought it was pretty illegal myself.
[40:09.000 --> 40:09.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: It certainly is.
[40:09.900 --> 40:11.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Get the names of the people who tell you this.
[40:11.600 --> 40:14.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: Get their offices, get their phone numbers, and get it on tape, too.
[40:14.820 --> 40:15.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[40:15.280 --> 40:16.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Because that's just wrong.
[40:17.140 --> 40:17.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right?
[40:18.220 --> 40:18.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[40:18.680 --> 40:19.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, guys.
[40:19.100 --> 40:19.300]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[40:19.340 --> 40:19.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good luck.
[40:19.900 --> 40:23.440]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be the only business who wants the delinquent customers back.
[40:23.620 --> 40:25.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, they want them back so they can cut them off.
[40:25.540 --> 40:25.900]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.
[40:26.220 --> 40:28.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's really...
[40:28.120 --> 40:33.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, competition is a bad thing to companies like that that want to have a stranglehold.
[40:34.360 --> 40:34.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[40:34.920 --> 40:36.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: 212-209-2900.
[40:36.260 --> 40:36.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[40:36.580 --> 40:37.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[40:37.300 --> 40:37.520]  [SPEAKER_20]: Hi.
[40:47.160 --> 40:48.480]  [SPEAKER_20]: Customs, Customs, and this thing, the other thing.
[40:48.500 --> 40:49.700]  [SPEAKER_20]: Oh, the Seized Property Auctions.
[40:49.900 --> 40:50.100]  [SPEAKER_20]: Right.
[40:50.460 --> 40:54.240]  [SPEAKER_20]: And they have a DOD, Department of Defense, site also.
[40:54.480 --> 40:54.800]  [SPEAKER_16]: Mm-hmm.
[40:55.000 --> 41:12.960]  [SPEAKER_20]: I clicked in there, and after, you know, just bouncing around, you know, not typing anything in, and just hitting the mouse, I'd come up with a screen that I was in an unauthorized place and that if I stayed in there, they could arrest me and do just that and the other thing.
[41:13.840 --> 41:14.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's pretty amazing.
[41:15.060 --> 41:17.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: They do that sometimes in .gov and .mil sites.
[41:17.820 --> 41:20.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: They seem to think that web pages are the same thing as computer systems.
[41:22.680 --> 41:26.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: They may try to scare you that way, but there's no legal backing behind that.
[41:26.540 --> 41:26.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[41:27.040 --> 41:31.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you were to enter an account and a password, yeah, then maybe you'd be the equivalent of trespassing.
[41:32.280 --> 41:34.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: But to simply enter a web page, no way.
[41:35.040 --> 41:36.160]  [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, that's all I was doing.
[41:36.300 --> 41:39.420]  [SPEAKER_20]: I was just clicking on pages, and it was like, you know, what's this?
[41:39.540 --> 41:40.360]  [SPEAKER_20]: It shocked me.
[41:40.540 --> 41:44.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, if you remember the exact page, feel free to forward it to us, and we'll click on it a few times ourselves.
[41:45.100 --> 41:45.420]  [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[41:45.580 --> 41:45.840]  [SPEAKER_20]: All right?
[41:45.960 --> 41:46.780]  [SPEAKER_20]: I'll see what I can do.
[41:46.920 --> 41:47.180]  [SPEAKER_20]: Okay.
[41:47.320 --> 41:47.640]  [SPEAKER_20]: Good luck.
[41:47.680 --> 41:47.840]  [SPEAKER_20]: Bye-bye.
[41:47.940 --> 41:48.180]  [SPEAKER_20]: Thank you.
[41:49.140 --> 41:50.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: They really do that a lot.
[41:50.340 --> 41:52.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: They try to scare people in the weirdest places, you know?
[42:02.180 --> 42:09.820]  [SPEAKER_02]: By accessing this information, you are consenting to our monitoring of your actions.
[42:09.920 --> 42:14.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: What that means is they can simply, as anybody can, they simply monitor their machine and see what you're doing.
[42:14.700 --> 42:15.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's all that means.
[42:15.720 --> 42:19.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: It doesn't mean they can come into your home then and tap your phone calls and things like that.
[42:19.800 --> 42:24.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, the flip side of that is that, yeah, it's a private computer system, but it's on a public network.
[42:24.520 --> 42:28.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: And by putting it on a public network, they are consenting to being monitored by the public.
[42:28.360 --> 42:29.800]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not just a public network.
[42:29.800 --> 42:36.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: They have a service on the computer system whose entire task is to send information to people who request it.
[42:36.540 --> 42:36.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[42:37.160 --> 42:38.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we're here to get that information.
[42:39.060 --> 42:41.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, by all means, feel free to explore.
[42:41.860 --> 42:42.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's what it's there for.
[42:43.760 --> 42:44.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[42:44.380 --> 42:44.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[42:45.700 --> 42:46.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[42:46.120 --> 42:46.460]  [SPEAKER_08]: Good evening.
[42:46.500 --> 42:46.940]  [SPEAKER_08]: How are you doing?
[42:47.120 --> 42:47.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[42:47.620 --> 42:50.060]  [SPEAKER_08]: I just moved out to Queens, and it's just so funny.
[42:50.120 --> 42:54.560]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't have cable, and I was trying to get some cable service with Time 1, a cable.
[42:54.560 --> 43:01.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: And just the basic fee is $38, and I find that to be so alarming.
[43:02.040 --> 43:09.260]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I didn't really want to pursue that because the reception is really bad out here, but it's like you left no other alternative but to get that.
[43:09.380 --> 43:11.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, do you live in an apartment building, a house?
[43:11.260 --> 43:11.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, an apartment building.
[43:12.060 --> 43:14.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: So you can't stick a little 18-inch dish on you?
[43:14.680 --> 43:16.000]  [SPEAKER_08]: The reception is really bad.
[43:16.380 --> 43:17.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm saying, no, a satellite dish.
[43:18.180 --> 43:18.880]  [SPEAKER_08]: A satellite dish.
[43:18.960 --> 43:21.020]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's something I probably should explore.
[43:21.020 --> 43:27.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you have access to a roof or a window that faces south, then you should explore that because it's actually cheaper and you get a lot more.
[43:28.000 --> 43:28.540]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, really?
[43:28.700 --> 43:28.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[43:29.120 --> 43:29.960]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, thanks for that suggestion.
[43:30.120 --> 43:30.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: One quick question.
[43:31.080 --> 43:31.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[43:32.720 --> 43:34.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: Don't you find it alarming?
[43:34.980 --> 43:39.240]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, something that you were speaking about earlier, dealing with the routing.
[43:39.840 --> 43:41.980]  [SPEAKER_08]: A friend of mine works at Texas Instrument.
[43:41.980 --> 43:53.380]  [SPEAKER_08]: He was indicating to me that it really doesn't cost phone companies any more money to make a connection from, let's say, from one borough to another versus from New York City to Britain.
[43:53.600 --> 43:54.260]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, of course not.
[43:54.640 --> 43:58.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's all one integrated network now, so it's, you know, they're just charging you for digits.
[44:00.000 --> 44:01.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't that illegal?
[44:01.820 --> 44:03.120]  [SPEAKER_08]: Shouldn't it be considered illegal?
[44:03.540 --> 44:13.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's definitely immoral, but it's pulling the wool over people's eyes, making them seem like there's more of an expense because you're calling over here than over here, or you're asking for this.
[44:13.620 --> 44:18.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, we demonstrated a couple of weeks ago where they actually tried to charge us just to tell us where an area code was.
[44:19.220 --> 44:21.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, they'll do whatever they can get away with.
[44:21.380 --> 44:23.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: They charge you not to be in the phone book.
[44:23.180 --> 44:25.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: They charge you a monthly fee to have a selected phone number.
[44:26.340 --> 44:28.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's whatever the phone company can get away with, they'll do.
[44:29.140 --> 44:36.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: So it's not illegal, but when people start speaking up against it and saying, hey, this isn't right, then I think maybe it'll start to change.
[44:36.180 --> 44:40.920]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I think more of our public officials need to come out and speak on this because it's just like you indicated.
[44:41.140 --> 44:41.860]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's immoral.
[44:41.860 --> 44:43.620]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't make... it does not make any sense.
[44:43.740 --> 44:47.680]  [SPEAKER_08]: If it does not cost them any more money, then why they should be allowed to charge us more money?
[44:48.560 --> 44:49.340]  [SPEAKER_08]: But anyway, thank you.
[44:49.640 --> 44:49.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.
[44:50.140 --> 44:50.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks for calling.
[44:50.860 --> 44:52.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: They are making a ton of money.
[44:52.580 --> 44:53.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: A ton of money.
[44:53.860 --> 44:54.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: And they always have.
[44:55.020 --> 44:58.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but you know, it used to be just the monopoly, you know, the bell system.
[44:58.520 --> 45:01.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Then they broke up into, you know, little baby bells.
[45:01.380 --> 45:03.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Then the baby bells got to be big bells as well.
[45:03.580 --> 45:04.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: And then they started merging again with each other.
[45:04.820 --> 45:08.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: But now you have all these new companies making even more money.
[45:08.580 --> 45:12.180]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you lay a transatlantic cable, you can make lots of money, too.
[45:13.420 --> 45:16.480]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, well, I think it's a little more complex than that.
[45:16.940 --> 45:17.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[45:17.440 --> 45:17.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[45:20.540 --> 45:20.860]  [SPEAKER_17]: Hello?
[45:21.060 --> 45:21.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, go ahead.
[45:21.560 --> 45:22.180]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, my goodness.
[45:22.960 --> 45:24.700]  [SPEAKER_17]: I have a really basic question.
[45:24.800 --> 45:25.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, go ahead.
[45:26.980 --> 45:31.640]  [SPEAKER_17]: I guess I used to get on the web to get on BAI.
[45:32.180 --> 45:38.240]  [SPEAKER_17]: And it worked when there was a previous web page that had some sort of UFO web page.
[45:38.560 --> 45:42.800]  [SPEAKER_17]: But then they switched the format on wbaifree.org.
[45:42.980 --> 45:43.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[45:43.640 --> 45:45.700]  [SPEAKER_17]: And for some reason, it doesn't work anymore.
[45:46.340 --> 45:48.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I'm not sure what web page you're referring to.
[45:49.600 --> 45:52.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right now, you can get us on the 2600 site.
[45:53.260 --> 45:57.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm told that we're streaming on baifree.org as well right now.
[45:58.080 --> 45:59.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: But I can't verify that.
[45:59.980 --> 46:01.780]  [SPEAKER_17]: Can you tell me your website?
[46:03.160 --> 46:04.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: www.2600.com.
[46:04.500 --> 46:05.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: But we're only streaming this show.
[46:06.520 --> 46:07.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[46:07.100 --> 46:08.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is the only show that gets streamed on there.
[46:10.460 --> 46:14.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: But I'm told that baifree.org has streaming at the moment.
[46:14.340 --> 46:15.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: So you might want to...
[46:15.240 --> 46:15.680]  [SPEAKER_17]: It does.
[46:15.780 --> 46:18.560]  [SPEAKER_17]: But what I'm trying to say is that I haven't been able to get it to work.
[46:18.560 --> 46:19.420]  [SPEAKER_17]: On my computer.
[46:19.700 --> 46:20.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: What kind of error are you getting?
[46:22.840 --> 46:27.180]  [SPEAKER_17]: Something about it doesn't support compression, data compression.
[46:28.600 --> 46:30.520]  [SPEAKER_17]: Sometimes it doesn't sound like it's connecting.
[46:30.700 --> 46:34.340]  [SPEAKER_17]: But I get other radio stations, so it's nice.
[46:35.040 --> 46:35.340]  [SPEAKER_16]: Uh-huh.
[46:35.880 --> 46:37.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: It could be a variety of things.
[46:37.260 --> 46:38.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: I have to see the exact error.
[46:38.640 --> 46:40.820]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is it coming from the real audio player itself?
[46:40.900 --> 46:41.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: Or is it coming from your system?
[46:42.640 --> 46:45.580]  [SPEAKER_17]: I get some other window opening up.
[46:45.760 --> 46:46.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[46:47.300 --> 46:47.860]  And...
[46:47.860 --> 46:48.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah?
[46:48.740 --> 46:49.060]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[46:49.300 --> 46:49.920]  [SPEAKER_17]: I'm sorry.
[46:49.920 --> 46:51.160]  [SPEAKER_17]: I'm really bad at this.
[46:51.220 --> 46:52.680]  [SPEAKER_17]: I don't know how to explain what happens.
[46:52.800 --> 46:54.940]  [SPEAKER_17]: But this other window opens up and says...
[46:58.800 --> 47:00.060]  [SPEAKER_17]: That it can't do it.
[47:00.360 --> 47:00.600]  [SPEAKER_17]: Uh-huh.
[47:00.600 --> 47:02.560]  [SPEAKER_17]: I can't remember more specifically than that.
[47:02.700 --> 47:04.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, there could be a number of reasons for that.
[47:04.840 --> 47:06.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: What kind of connection do you have?
[47:07.960 --> 47:09.400]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's a dedicated line.
[47:09.400 --> 47:10.500]  [SPEAKER_17]: I actually work...
[47:10.500 --> 47:15.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: If you're getting other stations, then I think the fault is obviously on our end somewhere.
[47:15.220 --> 47:17.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, I'm not exactly sure.
[47:17.440 --> 47:21.760]  [SPEAKER_17]: Other people have told me that they can get it from the Gary Knoll website.
[47:21.800 --> 47:25.200]  [SPEAKER_17]: But I know someone else who's pretty confident, not like me.
[47:25.320 --> 47:27.840]  [SPEAKER_17]: And he said he's been having a lot of trouble getting BAI.
[47:28.080 --> 47:28.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[47:29.280 --> 47:34.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: It will all be solved when we actually go 24-7 on the net, which I hope will be any day now.
[47:34.820 --> 47:35.600]  [SPEAKER_17]: What does that mean?
[47:35.700 --> 47:35.920]  [SPEAKER_17]: Sorry.
[47:36.200 --> 47:39.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, basically, you'll connect to BAI.org or one of the other websites.
[47:39.900 --> 47:41.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: And we'll just always be there.
[47:41.520 --> 47:43.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, KPFA is always there on their website.
[47:44.260 --> 47:48.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: And it's a very good thing to be able to go around the world and be able to listen to your radio station.
[47:48.700 --> 47:48.960]  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[47:49.020 --> 47:50.380]  [SPEAKER_17]: That's the ultimate thing.
[47:50.560 --> 47:54.260]  [SPEAKER_17]: But when you say that, are you talking about yourselves or all of BAI?
[47:54.380 --> 47:55.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: All of BAI.
[47:55.160 --> 48:04.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: All of BAI should be on the web 24 hours a day because there are just so many good programs here that I like to hear in various places that I wind up wandering around in and I can't get the station.
[48:04.500 --> 48:07.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, it's very comforting to be able to just click on something and hear a familiar voice.
[48:08.740 --> 48:09.700]  [SPEAKER_17]: That's... I agree.
[48:09.820 --> 48:11.900]  [SPEAKER_17]: Now, just let me ask one more question here.
[48:12.980 --> 48:14.120]  [SPEAKER_17]: Is there a limit...
[48:14.120 --> 48:16.120]  [SPEAKER_17]: When you go on, when is that going to happen?
[48:16.140 --> 48:19.300]  [SPEAKER_17]: And is there going to be a limit to the number of people who can...
[48:19.920 --> 48:21.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: There's always a limit, but there is...
[48:21.720 --> 48:25.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think that's something that listeners really need to worry about because you can always expand.
[48:25.980 --> 48:26.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: You can always go bigger.
[48:27.140 --> 48:30.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: The thing is to get there in the first place and then worry about the limits.
[48:30.160 --> 48:30.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: And why isn't it on yet?
[48:30.980 --> 48:32.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not exactly sure.
[48:32.020 --> 48:34.860]  [SPEAKER_09]: You might want to call the main number tomorrow and ask.
[48:34.860 --> 48:40.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's 209-2800 and just ask around and say, when are we going on the net?
[48:40.920 --> 48:42.040]  [SPEAKER_17]: So, all these other...
[48:42.040 --> 48:43.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Something I'd definitely like to know the answer to myself.
[48:43.840 --> 48:47.700]  [SPEAKER_17]: All these other ways of getting on the net aren't from BAI itself?
[48:48.740 --> 48:49.900]  [SPEAKER_17]: Who's putting them on?
[48:50.360 --> 48:52.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Basically, individual producers such as us.
[48:52.340 --> 48:56.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, we have our own band of people that get us on the net every week.
[48:57.160 --> 48:59.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Very dedicated people out there doing this.
[48:59.960 --> 49:00.620]  [SPEAKER_17]: Thanks a lot.
[49:00.860 --> 49:01.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[49:01.140 --> 49:01.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good luck.
[49:01.900 --> 49:02.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[49:03.200 --> 49:05.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: A lot of people out there want to listen to us from around the world.
[49:05.920 --> 49:09.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Not just this show, but all different shows that are on.
[49:09.980 --> 49:10.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's a good thing.
[49:11.160 --> 49:12.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: So, hopefully, that will happen soon.
[49:12.560 --> 49:14.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: 212-209-2900.
[49:14.240 --> 49:15.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's go over here.
[49:15.140 --> 49:15.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[49:15.460 --> 49:15.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[49:17.400 --> 49:18.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: Speak up, please.
[49:18.420 --> 49:18.640]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hello?
[49:18.820 --> 49:19.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, go ahead.
[49:19.600 --> 49:19.940]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[49:21.400 --> 49:23.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: I have a problem that's been dogging me.
[49:24.840 --> 49:29.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Whenever I download a window, my cursor would disappear.
[49:31.120 --> 49:31.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[49:31.700 --> 49:33.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: What exactly are you downloading?
[49:33.800 --> 49:34.820]  [SPEAKER_07]: Just any of it.
[49:35.100 --> 49:37.480]  [SPEAKER_07]: Might be reading an online newspaper.
[49:37.740 --> 49:38.000]  [SPEAKER_07]: Anything.
[49:38.320 --> 49:38.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: Anything.
[49:38.820 --> 49:39.540]  [SPEAKER_07]: Nothing in particular.
[49:39.920 --> 49:41.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Your cursor disappears.
[49:41.320 --> 49:41.520]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[49:42.340 --> 49:44.220]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, when you click on the...
[49:44.220 --> 49:45.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: You mean your arrow?
[49:45.400 --> 49:46.180]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the little arrow.
[49:46.360 --> 49:46.440]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[49:46.680 --> 49:47.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Disappear.
[49:47.120 --> 49:47.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: What does that sound like to you, Isaac?
[49:50.160 --> 49:50.600]  [SPEAKER_02]: What?
[49:50.660 --> 49:51.420]  [SPEAKER_02]: The noise in the background?
[49:52.480 --> 49:54.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the cursor disappearing.
[49:54.640 --> 49:55.700]  [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.
[49:55.700 --> 49:56.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hmm.
[49:57.380 --> 49:57.660]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[49:57.900 --> 49:59.040]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's strange that...
[49:59.480 --> 50:04.080]  [SPEAKER_07]: I've asked people that have had computers for years, and they say they've never heard of a problem like that.
[50:04.160 --> 50:05.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: No, you have not either.
[50:05.640 --> 50:06.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: What kind of system are you running?
[50:08.520 --> 50:08.920]  Hmm.
[50:09.140 --> 50:09.600]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't...
[50:09.600 --> 50:11.120]  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't understand that language.
[50:11.200 --> 50:12.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is it a Windows system?
[50:12.620 --> 50:12.680]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[50:12.760 --> 50:13.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, Windows.
[50:13.380 --> 50:13.840]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, Windows.
[50:14.480 --> 50:15.280]  [SPEAKER_07]: Windows 98.
[50:15.480 --> 50:16.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Windows 98.
[50:16.220 --> 50:16.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[50:16.800 --> 50:17.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: Might be a feature.
[50:17.560 --> 50:17.840]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[50:17.940 --> 50:19.420]  [SPEAKER_09]: I haven't run Windows 98 myself.
[50:19.720 --> 50:20.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hmm.
[50:20.860 --> 50:22.780]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and the only way I would recover it...
[50:22.780 --> 50:23.580]  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, if the cursor...
[50:23.580 --> 50:24.900]  [SPEAKER_07]: You need it to, um...
[50:24.900 --> 50:25.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you do need it.
[50:25.600 --> 50:25.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[50:26.180 --> 50:27.360]  [SPEAKER_09]: You need that little arrow to point the thing.
[50:27.440 --> 50:30.620]  [SPEAKER_07]: Right, and the only way it would appear is on the taskbar.
[50:30.660 --> 50:31.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, now, what...
[50:31.380 --> 50:32.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is...
[50:32.020 --> 50:34.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: I assume you're using a browser when this happens.
[50:34.620 --> 50:34.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[50:35.220 --> 50:36.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: Is it Netscape or Explorer?
[50:36.980 --> 50:37.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: Explorer.
[50:37.640 --> 50:38.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, try Netscape.
[50:39.120 --> 50:40.220]  [SPEAKER_09]: See if the same thing happens.
[50:40.360 --> 50:40.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
[50:40.840 --> 50:41.020]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[50:41.200 --> 50:41.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh.
[50:41.500 --> 50:44.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: It could be a program conflict with your operating system.
[50:44.740 --> 50:45.100]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[50:45.460 --> 50:52.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: And if it still happens, then you know that there's just something screwy with your system, and then you can start narrowing it down from there.
[50:52.220 --> 50:55.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: But it might just be something in that particular version of Explorer that you have.
[50:56.540 --> 50:57.260]  [SPEAKER_16]: Uh-huh.
[50:57.500 --> 51:00.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: And if anybody else has a solution to this, by all means, call in.
[51:00.320 --> 51:03.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: And you might also want to listen to the personal computer show tomorrow from 8 to 9.
[51:03.740 --> 51:04.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I do.
[51:04.480 --> 51:04.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: I do.
[51:04.960 --> 51:05.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[51:05.400 --> 51:05.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[51:05.760 --> 51:06.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[51:06.220 --> 51:06.500]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good luck.
[51:07.360 --> 51:10.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: That'd be awfully frustrating, not having your arrow there.
[51:12.660 --> 51:13.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[51:13.200 --> 51:14.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[51:16.460 --> 51:17.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: Speak up, please.
[51:18.520 --> 51:21.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: People, like, running across the house to get to the phone whenever I pick up?
[51:22.020 --> 51:24.560]  [SPEAKER_02]: Either that or they listen to the radio instead of listening to the telephone.
[51:24.740 --> 51:26.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: That took too long, so I'm going to move on over here.
[51:26.380 --> 51:26.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[51:26.700 --> 51:27.160]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[51:28.260 --> 51:28.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hello?
[51:28.760 --> 51:29.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, go ahead.
[51:29.940 --> 51:33.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: Have you heard about the MCI and Sprint merging?
[51:33.860 --> 51:36.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: I've heard a rumor that MCI and Sprint merging...
[51:36.180 --> 51:37.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: I was on Bloomberg today.
[51:37.540 --> 51:37.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: Was it?
[51:38.040 --> 51:38.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, how...
[51:38.760 --> 51:42.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: They just gave a quick blurb, you know, running underneath the information.
[51:43.040 --> 51:43.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[51:43.780 --> 51:45.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: I guess more to come tomorrow.
[51:45.360 --> 51:46.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, how did they phrase it?
[51:47.160 --> 51:55.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: They just said, the latest on the Sprint and MCI merger tomorrow.
[51:55.940 --> 51:57.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's about it that I remember.
[51:57.600 --> 51:59.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's not very much information, then.
[51:59.660 --> 51:59.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: I know.
[52:00.140 --> 52:00.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, they...
[52:00.460 --> 52:00.580]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[52:00.820 --> 52:05.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: I know they were talking about it for at least a week, you know, a proposal to merge, but...
[52:05.080 --> 52:05.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, they said...
[52:05.880 --> 52:06.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: They made it sound definite.
[52:07.700 --> 52:09.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: That would definitely frighten me.
[52:09.480 --> 52:09.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean...
[52:09.640 --> 52:12.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they wanted to get into this merger thing, everyone else's merger.
[52:12.340 --> 52:12.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[52:12.800 --> 52:18.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, with the new entity, Bell Atlantic and Vodafone, I think that's scaring everyone else.
[52:18.900 --> 52:20.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know where it's heading.
[52:20.180 --> 52:20.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: I really don't.
[52:20.680 --> 52:23.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: All these massively huge corporations running everything.
[52:24.340 --> 52:25.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Back to square one.
[52:25.840 --> 52:27.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's worse than square one.
[52:27.360 --> 52:29.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's worse because you always had some competition.
[52:29.660 --> 52:34.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Now you have, you know, networks swallowing up every radio station and swallowing up cable companies and newspapers.
[52:35.260 --> 52:36.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's so all-encompassing.
[52:37.380 --> 52:37.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[52:38.420 --> 52:38.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, okay.
[52:38.800 --> 52:39.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: I guess we'll see.
[52:39.980 --> 52:41.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, we'll see, and we'll keep an eye on that one.
[52:41.740 --> 52:42.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks for letting us know.
[52:43.400 --> 52:44.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, don't worry.
[52:44.300 --> 52:46.040]  [SPEAKER_02]: The civilization's going to end in a couple months anyway.
[52:46.160 --> 52:46.620]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's right.
[52:46.620 --> 52:48.040]  [SPEAKER_09]: Wait, Y2K is going to take care of all this.
[52:48.200 --> 52:49.380]  [SPEAKER_09]: It's natural selection.
[52:50.260 --> 52:51.140]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, where shall we go?
[52:51.220 --> 52:52.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's go all the way down here.
[52:52.320 --> 52:52.600]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[52:52.700 --> 52:53.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[52:55.760 --> 52:56.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: We're on the air.
[52:56.660 --> 52:57.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, let's try over here.
[52:57.520 --> 52:57.740]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[52:57.820 --> 52:58.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[52:58.820 --> 53:00.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that last call is right.
[53:00.200 --> 53:03.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: You should give me a chance to say my points and opinions and stuff like that.
[53:04.040 --> 53:04.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sorry.
[53:04.980 --> 53:05.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Can you forgive me?
[53:06.280 --> 53:06.560]  [SPEAKER_09]: Rebel?
[53:06.780 --> 53:07.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hello?
[53:07.420 --> 53:08.080]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, he hung up.
[53:08.820 --> 53:09.240]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, well.
[53:09.300 --> 53:09.540]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[53:09.600 --> 53:10.060]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[53:12.000 --> 53:12.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hello?
[53:12.400 --> 53:12.720]  [SPEAKER_09]: Speak up.
[53:14.400 --> 53:14.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[53:14.880 --> 53:15.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[53:15.660 --> 53:16.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what...
[53:16.280 --> 53:19.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think it's stage fright or something that people get when they...
[53:19.200 --> 53:20.180]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, you're on the air.
[53:20.720 --> 53:21.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, hi, Manny.
[53:21.660 --> 53:21.860]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hi.
[53:21.960 --> 53:23.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: This is Jim from Long Island.
[53:23.620 --> 53:29.100]  [SPEAKER_03]: I was the fellow who told you that Bell Atlantic was going to gobble up 9X well before it happened.
[53:29.200 --> 53:29.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: But anyway...
[53:29.800 --> 53:30.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, what can you tell us today, then?
[53:31.180 --> 53:35.740]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I was in Philadelphia at a phone booth getting information.
[53:36.220 --> 53:41.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I had to call West Hampton Beach, 555-1212.
[53:41.960 --> 53:43.600]  [SPEAKER_03]: $1.75 for this call.
[53:44.520 --> 53:44.960]  [SPEAKER_03]: What I wound up...
[53:44.960 --> 53:45.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: $1.75?
[53:45.620 --> 53:46.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[53:46.720 --> 53:50.420]  [SPEAKER_03]: What I wound up was I wanted the number of the post office, okay?
[53:50.940 --> 54:00.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: So I get this operator, and for information, she gives me a 1-800 number, which is a standard directory of all post offices.
[54:01.280 --> 54:08.280]  [SPEAKER_03]: And then, to make matters worse, had to go through a pound, press one, press two type of thing.
[54:08.280 --> 54:09.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: I was lucky to even get the number.
[54:09.880 --> 54:15.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I thought, what a rip-off for $1.75 to get stuck with that type of a number on the...
[54:15.080 --> 54:17.660]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I'm trying to figure out how you paid $1.75 to get a phone number.
[54:17.900 --> 54:19.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what I'd like to know.
[54:19.240 --> 54:21.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: Where were you calling from and...
[54:21.120 --> 54:23.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: I was in the airport in Philadelphia.
[54:24.060 --> 54:27.640]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so it was an AT&T information deal or something like that.
[54:27.640 --> 54:28.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was Phil...
[54:28.220 --> 54:30.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it was Atlantic Bell.
[54:31.020 --> 54:31.360]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[54:31.740 --> 54:36.700]  [SPEAKER_03]: But just another way of screwing you out of, you know...
[54:36.700 --> 54:37.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, definitely.
[54:38.060 --> 54:38.280]  [SPEAKER_09]: Definitely.
[54:38.560 --> 54:39.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, we have to come up with solutions.
[54:40.160 --> 54:41.200]  [SPEAKER_09]: There are alternatives to this.
[54:41.360 --> 54:43.400]  [SPEAKER_09]: Ways of getting information to people for much less.
[54:43.540 --> 54:44.700]  [SPEAKER_09]: The pocket phone book.
[54:44.900 --> 54:45.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[54:45.340 --> 54:45.780]  [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe that.
[54:46.020 --> 54:46.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: Something like that.
[54:46.900 --> 54:51.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: And as far as that other caller about the reception, I'm out here on the east end, but I've been pretty lucky.
[54:51.840 --> 54:54.620]  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been able to get BAI all the way out to Bridgehampton.
[54:54.720 --> 54:57.000]  [SPEAKER_09]: Have you been getting that damn country station from Boston?
[54:57.580 --> 54:58.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah.
[54:58.140 --> 54:59.320]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's also that one.
[54:59.440 --> 55:03.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's one from Jersey, South Jersey, that cuts in once in a while, too.
[55:03.140 --> 55:03.920]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's Delaware.
[55:04.240 --> 55:04.760]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's Delaware.
[55:05.000 --> 55:09.800]  [SPEAKER_09]: And there's also a station in Albany that I was getting crystal clear on Long Island the other day, and I think it was an atmospheric thing.
[55:10.120 --> 55:11.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's just so many stations.
[55:12.180 --> 55:18.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you travel Sunrise Highway, you're going to get Connecticut, then you're going to get Boston, then you're going to get South Jersey.
[55:19.040 --> 55:19.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's actually really fun.
[55:20.120 --> 55:20.640]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy.
[55:20.640 --> 55:23.520]  [SPEAKER_09]: It can be fun unless you're trying to listen to something, you know, and that can be annoying.
[55:23.640 --> 55:26.200]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's like having a remote in your hands.
[55:26.620 --> 55:28.720]  [SPEAKER_03]: The channels just keep jumping all over the place.
[55:28.960 --> 55:29.160]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[55:29.460 --> 55:29.840]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[55:29.840 --> 55:30.140]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[55:30.300 --> 55:30.980]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, thanks for calling.
[55:31.100 --> 55:31.500]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, bye.
[55:31.700 --> 55:33.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: And he just reminded me of something, actually.
[55:33.460 --> 55:37.320]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, the 631 area code will be in place next time we speak.
[55:37.540 --> 55:39.880]  [SPEAKER_09]: That's the new Suffolk County area code.
[55:40.620 --> 55:42.440]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's see what happens when we try calling it now.
[55:43.460 --> 55:44.300]  [SPEAKER_09]: Foul tone, please, all right?
[55:45.400 --> 55:46.120]  [SPEAKER_09]: 1-631.
[55:48.580 --> 55:49.460]  [SPEAKER_09]: What shall we call?
[55:49.580 --> 55:50.940]  [SPEAKER_09]: I guess I'll call back to the office.
[55:54.440 --> 55:55.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think it went through.
[56:08.010 --> 56:10.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm sorry, your call cannot be completed as dialed.
[56:11.250 --> 56:15.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: Please check the number and try your call again, or ask your operator for assistance.
[56:16.050 --> 56:16.590]  [SPEAKER_12]: Thank you.
[56:18.090 --> 56:19.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, I guess it's not in place yet.
[56:19.930 --> 56:21.310]  [SPEAKER_02]: We have to change our business cards.
[56:21.450 --> 56:21.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[56:21.870 --> 56:22.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: I tried it, though, from...
[56:22.930 --> 56:23.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: I just realized that.
[56:23.470 --> 56:26.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: I tried it from my house, and it actually went through.
[56:26.470 --> 56:31.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, a 1-631 plus an exchange in Suffolk County, and it actually goes through.
[56:31.690 --> 56:33.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: But you were from Suffolk County.
[56:33.250 --> 56:34.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's kind of weird.
[56:34.430 --> 56:34.750]  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.
[56:35.130 --> 56:37.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: I guess some COs have it and some don't.
[56:37.070 --> 56:37.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: This one probably doesn't yet.
[56:38.770 --> 56:41.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: But it shows up on caller ID as still a 516 number.
[56:41.370 --> 56:44.450]  [SPEAKER_09]: But next week at this time, I think it'll be switching to 631.
[56:45.490 --> 56:47.870]  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have a lot of very confused people.
[56:48.190 --> 56:48.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.
[56:48.810 --> 56:49.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm used to it.
[56:49.910 --> 56:51.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think we have time for one more phone call.
[56:51.390 --> 56:52.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: A lot of people have dropped off the line.
[56:53.490 --> 56:54.690]  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's see who's still there.
[56:54.710 --> 56:54.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: Good evening.
[56:55.110 --> 56:55.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: You're on the air.
[56:55.430 --> 56:56.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, quick question.
[56:57.230 --> 56:59.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: Are you charged when you press star 82?
[57:00.530 --> 57:00.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: No.
[57:01.410 --> 57:03.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: Star 82 basically unblocks...
[57:04.050 --> 57:07.550]  [SPEAKER_09]: Or no, it opens up your phone number to be sent for caller ID.
[57:07.770 --> 57:08.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: And there's no charge for that.
[57:08.930 --> 57:10.850]  [SPEAKER_09]: Just as there's no charge for star 67 to block it.
[57:11.250 --> 57:11.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, excellent.
[57:12.230 --> 57:13.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: The last question.
[57:13.230 --> 57:18.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: A couple of shows ago, you had a discussion dealing with some of these companies that are merging.
[57:18.930 --> 57:25.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: And they are offering cable as well as telephone on one line.
[57:26.110 --> 57:26.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[57:27.090 --> 57:31.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: When would you recommend someone to actually pursue that type of service and why?
[57:33.310 --> 57:33.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: Um...
[57:33.710 --> 57:34.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: You follow me?
[57:34.410 --> 57:34.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: Not really.
[57:35.250 --> 57:35.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[57:35.570 --> 57:42.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: For example, like you indicated, many of these people are offering services on so that you can actually save money.
[57:42.710 --> 57:46.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: So instead of going through AT&T and also dealing with cable vision, you deal with one company.
[57:46.690 --> 57:48.770]  [SPEAKER_02]: You're asking when we think it's worth it to make the jump?
[57:48.770 --> 57:49.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.
[57:51.130 --> 57:51.570]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh...
[57:51.570 --> 57:52.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: My personal...
[57:52.150 --> 57:55.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: Because you were also indicating that some of these companies, they're somewhat questionable.
[57:55.910 --> 57:57.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: You may not want to jump right away.
[57:58.130 --> 57:58.290]  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[57:58.510 --> 57:59.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: I live in Queens.
[57:59.150 --> 58:01.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just trying to find out if it's something I should pursue now.
[58:01.870 --> 58:02.850]  [SPEAKER_02]: My personal opinion?
[58:03.050 --> 58:03.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[58:04.070 --> 58:08.590]  [SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to be using it for something vital, like your main means of communication...
[58:08.590 --> 58:08.770]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[58:08.870 --> 58:17.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: ...or like your main means of getting cable television or something, I wouldn't make the jump until there's a reasonable base of people out there and it's being talked about.
[58:17.010 --> 58:19.350]  [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, you hear good things about it.
[58:19.510 --> 58:24.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: If it's just something you want to toy around with, then, uh, hey, what the heck, you know, be on the cutting edge.
[58:24.970 --> 58:31.130]  [SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, I wouldn't replace anything you have just because you hear some kind of, you know, next step sort of...
[58:31.130 --> 58:36.890]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, assume, assume it'll all go bad in 30 days and you can just, you know, go to something else and go back to the way it was.
[58:37.070 --> 58:40.270]  [SPEAKER_09]: But, uh, it might not go bad in 30 days and then you have something good.
[58:40.810 --> 58:41.370]  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks a lot.
[58:41.530 --> 58:41.810]  [SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[58:41.910 --> 58:44.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: I guess we're saying don't put all your eggs in one basket or something like that.
[58:44.290 --> 58:47.550]  [SPEAKER_02]: Don't make the jump if you really need something dependable.
[58:47.930 --> 58:48.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: Sounds good.
[58:48.670 --> 58:53.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, that music means we're out of time, but we'll be back again next week with another exciting edition of Off the Hook.
[58:53.530 --> 58:55.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: Until then, Emanuel Goldstein for Isaac.
[58:55.990 --> 58:59.250]  [SPEAKER_09]: Have yourselves a good night and stay technologically aware.
[58:59.690 --> 59:00.130]  [SPEAKER_09]: Bye-bye.
[59:00.130 --> 59:14.390]  [SPEAKER_15]: Now I can't make a call It couldn't be yet much worse But if they could, they would Bum-diddly-bump But I best expect the worst I hope that's understood Bum-diddly-bump