Assassination, in which the murder left no trail.
Well, you know, I'm glad you came back to that.
So the ones we know about are the failures.
Yeah, Eric, I'm glad you came back to that.
I read someplace about an intriguing phone call that happened after your dad died,
and it was quoted exactly the words Lashbrook called CIA headquarters.
Am I correct?
He made a call to Long Island, probably to the doctor who my father was seeing.
And go ahead, you say the words, because I don't want to get them wrong.
Well, the call from the room from Lashbrook to an unknown recipient of the call
who was probably the doctor that my father was seeing,
the phone call consisted of two sentences.
Lashbrook said, well, he's gone.
The other end said, that's too bad, and they both hung up.
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The time is 8 o'clock. That means it's time for Off the Hook.
And a very good evening to everybody.
The program is Off the Hook.
Manuel Goldstein here with you. Isaac's here as well.
How you doing, sir?
Pretty good. How are you?
I've been better.
Really? Bad day?
Every day's a bit.
Well, couldn't it compare to me trying to get here on time?
All the morons trying to get to the baseball game late or something.
I don't know what's going on out there,
but everyone's driving really, really slow.
But I made it. I made it. That's the important thing.
And the other important things are some updates
on what we were talking about last week.
Specifically, if you can recall, way back seven days ago,
we kind of exposed an embarrassing little security hole.
Who's?
You're really out of it, aren't you?
You need to lay off the drugs. You really do.
Oh, my.
Yeah. Or get better drugs. I don't know.
Oh, okay.
One of the two.
As you recall, last week we exposed this hospital
someplace in the United States
that was allowing its dictation system to be listened to by anybody.
St. Joseph Mercy?
St. Joseph Mercy Hospital, yes.
I'm not just not remembering. I'm trying to...
Well, never mind.
We had no idea where this hospital was,
and we just knew it was called St. Joseph Mercy.
We got mail after the show, mail from a number of sources,
saying, oh, yeah, that's right in my backyard.
It's in Los Angeles. It's in Baltimore.
It's in Chicago, all over the place.
Everyone thought it was theirs.
Well, turns out that it wasn't in any of those places.
One news source picked it up.
Of all the news people out there,
you figure you do it on a 50,000-watt radio station,
you expose something this significant,
private patient information just out there on an 800 number
for anybody to listen to, no password.
And the only people that thought it was an interesting story
were the people at ZDTV,
who I have to commend for actually doing some work
and researching the story.
They found out where the hospital was.
Really?
Dearborn, Michigan.
Really?
Yeah, some very embarrassed people out there at the hospital
that were notified of their security snafu.
They took it offline.
I haven't checked it in the last couple of days.
I don't know what happens when you call the 800 number.
However, I should put out a warning to them
that I will be calling the 800 number again.
And I'm going to be checking to see if they have actually
improved things or gotten it off an 800 number.
And if they have just taken it off an 800 number,
be advised that I will find the other phone number.
And if there is no password on that,
well, I'll be letting people know about that, too.
That's kind of, you know, what we do around here.
It's too bad no one else thought it was an interesting story.
It didn't appear on CNN, didn't appear on MSNBC.
Wired had nothing to do with it.
It's sad, but at least ZDTV thought it was interesting.
They have a TV station, too, that a few people can see on DSS
and maybe a couple other places.
ZDTV has a television station?
Well, yeah, you see, it's kind of weird.
They call themselves ZDTV, and they are, I guess, a TV network,
but nobody can get them.
They're not on any cable networks that I know of anyway.
But you can get them if you get DSS, satellite people who,
if you recall, the people who shut down the satellite watch news newsletter.
Oh, those people.
Yeah, it's a big involved story.
So that's the situation as far as that goes.
Of course, there are other systems like that all over the place,
and if you have a hospital near you, or if you work in a hospital,
or if you're a doctor or a lawyer
or anybody who might have access to this information,
please let us know.
Let us know if there are any insecure systems out there
because we want to bring them to the attention of people
and show just how moronic and stupid the people in charge can be.
Kind of get a kick out of doing that.
But the system is made by Dictaphone.
You may have heard of them.
Oh, those people.
Yeah, they're the biggest dictating firm, I guess, around.
And there's a very advanced system that allows multiple users simultaneous access.
It's supposedly, according to the Dictaphone spokesperson,
it has a password option, which is really pretty sad.
A password option?
Option, yeah.
You can optionally choose.
Apparently, not everyone feels a password is in the best interest of security.
I don't know what the logic is behind that, but if you...
If it's an internal system, I could possibly see that.
Well, I think they think...
Hook it up to an 800 number. Come on.
They believe it's an internal system,
and we're here to tell them that that's not the case,
that when you stick something onto the phone network or onto the Internet
or any kinds of other publicly accessible places,
they shouldn't be surprised when the public gains access to it.
And they certainly shouldn't demonize the public for figuring it out,
being curious, wandering around, things like that.
So, yeah, we're certain that such systems exist in other places as well.
And if you know of a system that you think is insecure or just open in some way...
There are some systems that are, you know, insecure,
but they still require passwords.
They may all have the same password, maybe something stupid like that.
Then there are systems with no passwords whatsoever.
All kinds of private information is out there.
It's not the hacker's fault that that private information is out there.
It's the people running the systems,
and we're here to discover that and spread the news.
So if you know of anything like that, please email us, oth at 2600.com.
OTH, of course, stands for off the hook.
Or if you don't have access to the net...
There's actually people out there who don't have access to the net.
I know a couple.
Yeah. No, it's, you know, a lot of people don't like the net.
I realize that because of what the net has become.
The net has become this over-commercialized entity,
this humongous corporate weapon.
But it doesn't have to stay that way.
It can get back into the hands of the people,
and the way that happens is more and more people get onto it
and start designing it, start running it the way they want to run it.
It's not a big, huge corporation yet.
But if you don't have access to the net,
you can write to us, off the hook, CARE WBAI, 120 Wall Street,
New York, New York, 10005.
And we'll be certain to pay attention to each and every bit of news that we get,
including this piece of news,
which was forwarded to us through the Privacy Forum,
which is an online newsletter.
We're on the Privacy Forum?
We're not on the Privacy Forum, no.
This was forwarded to us from the Privacy Forum.
Oh, somebody who is in the Privacy Forum sent it to us.
Someone read this and sent it to us, and now we're going to read it.
I see.
Unless you have any more questions.
I'm sorry.
All right.
It's not following.
This is defined as a bizarre and certainly ironic situation.
Intuit, makers of Quicken.
Are you familiar with them?
Oh, the checkbook balancing thing.
Other extremely widely used financial software packages had a website,
http://privacy.intuit.com,
that presented various information regarding their privacy policies.
It also included a feature which allowed any registered Intuit customer
to view and alter their privacy preferences.
This included data such as whether or not they wished to receive promotional materials
from Intuit.
Am I saying that right?
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure if I'm supposed to be saying Intuit.
As opposed to out of it?
Yeah, exactly.
I don't want to say that.
I'm going to say Intuit, and if I'm pronouncing it wrong, so what?
Promotional materials, how they should or should not be contacted,
email, phone, et cetera,
and whether or not their name and address would be released to outside firms.
To access this feature, the customer needed to supply their last name, zip code,
and I'll leave you to guess this, Isaac.
Area code.
That's a very good guess, but you're wrong.
First name.
No, no.
You're totally wrong.
Street address, road name.
What's the absolute worst thing you could think of?
Social security number.
No.
Worse than a social security number?
Worse than a social security number.
Keep in mind, this is to get the information,
you have to supply your last name, your zip code, and a...
Pick a number from 1 to 10.
No.
Well, almost as bad.
Nothing.
Nothing?
Nothing at all.
That's all you needed was a last name and a zip code.
You know how easy it is to get that information?
Good God.
Upon entering any last name and zip code,
and given the number of Intuit customers,
a hit would be pretty likely for most common names.
The user would see the associated first name, city,
and last four digits of phone number for that person.
Oh, that's nice.
And then you could pretty much figure out, based on zip code,
what exchanges were there.
You'd get the phone number within a matter of moments.
This is why you should never give out your information to anybody.
Is it the normal zip or the zip plus four?
No, I think it's just a normal five-digit zip code.
The user could then freely modify the privacy preferences for that customer.
That's nice.
Needless to say,
I immediately expressed my concern over this situation to Intuit officials.
Within a few days,
I was contacted by their VP Corporate Communications,
informing me that the preference access features of the site had been shut down,
and that any users attempting to access them would be directed to an 800 number,
where they could instead get information about patients in the hospital.
Hey, that's not really there.
No, I embellished a little bit on that.
A live customer service representative would then verify their contact information
before performing any preferences,
or any preferences changes, that is.
Intuit plans to restore the web preferences feature to the site
after making security enhancements,
probably within a month or two.
Now, this telephone thing,
is it anything like Sprint PCS's password,
where, you know, if you ask really nicely, they'll give you a hint?
They'll give you five guesses and one big hint each time.
God bless Sprint.
The fact that Intuit responded promptly to my concerns
by closing down the feature is to be commended.
One must still wonder, however, about the chain of events and review
which permitted such an obviously flawed feature
to have been implemented in the first place.
Nobody stopped it.
It's all too common a sort of situation.
And I see remarkable parallels between that and what we did last week.
Just something that's so obviously stupid and wrong,
but they did it anyway.
It's really silly.
Hey, look what I have here.
What do you have there?
A brand new issue of 2600.
I'm going to throw it over to you.
Oh, is that magazine?
Try to catch it this time.
Okay.
You know, I think you're getting worse.
Well, even if I don't catch it, I never hang on to them, if you recall.
Yeah.
I just got this yesterday, actually.
Oh, this is really cool.
It should be popping up on newsstands, well, in the near future.
I don't know where we get these pictures.
I really don't.
It's amazing.
This is pretty cool.
It's really cool.
It's almost cooler than anything we've done before,
but then again, maybe it's not.
But that's the fall 1999 issue.
It just got released.
Okay, we have some updates on, as you recall,
last week we were talking about network solutions.
Oh, those people.
Yeah.
Now, I have to correct you on something, Isaac.
What was I wrong?
You were telling me how NSI does not have any competition.
Oh, NSI has a lot of competition, and I can prove it to you.
I can prove it to you.
I'm very careful about the way I prove this, though.
Okay.
As you recall, NSI has always had a certain, how shall I say,
puritanical view on domain names.
There are certain names you just cannot get.
If you can tear yourself away from 2600 for a second.
You recall there are certain words you can't use in domain names,
certain words we can't say on the air.
Very similar to the words that we can't use on the air.
Well, they are the words we can't say on the air,
but there's a bunch of other words, too.
And you couldn't register it.
If you registered it, you got a letter back saying,
we reserve the right.
I don't know how you reserve these rights,
but they reserve the right not to assign certain names
because of offensive blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Well, if that is the case, Isaac,
explain to me how I managed to get the site.
How do I say this?
Well, it's one of the words.
It's the word that begins with F, all right?
Immediately followed by the name Giuliani.com.
Why would you want to register that?
Well, because it's the first thing that popped into my head,
and Bush was already taken.
In fact, all variations of Bush were taken.
Bush, George W. Bush, G. W. Bush, they were all taken.
All taken. Very quickly.
The answer is that you went to one of the little companies
that has bought access to NSI's database,
and you bought it from them.
Well, NSI, yes.
Okay, I can explain this to you as well.
NSI is still maintaining the actual...
Yes.
But they're not the only ones with...
All right.
With the database.
If you do a who is,
you will not get that information from them.
You'll get it from another company.
Correct.
But the other companies will add to NSI's database
on their own accord.
Mm-hmm.
But that is competition, and it's also...
It's not competition.
Oh, yes, it is. Absolutely.
It's cheaper, for one thing.
It's only $50 to go through one of these companies,
as opposed to $70 through NSI.
It's competition on that level.
Yes, I agree there is still the database issue,
but that is being dismantled.
I'll read you an agreement which just came down today.
Remember when Apple released clones?
Mm-hmm.
You remember how long clones of Apple products were out there?
Because Apple pulled the plug.
They said, you know what?
We don't like these clones anymore.
They're cutting into our profit margin too much,
and they just said, nope, sorry, you can't do it anymore.
NSI does not have that authority.
NSI is not this independent company
that can just dictate terms.
Now, let me read you what happened today.
On September 28, 1999, that is today,
the Department of Commerce,
the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers,
known as ICANN, and...
Oh, ICANN, don't get me started.
...Network Solutions, Inc., NSI,
announced that they had tentatively reached
a series of agreements
to resolve outstanding differences
among the three parties.
The ICANN board actively encourages
the global Internet community
to review the proposed agreements
and submit comments via the ICANN public comment forum.
They have until October 29 to do that.
Who are they asking for comments from?
From the general public.
From the general public.
That's you and me, yes.
Oh, isn't that nice of them.
Yes.
The resolution of issues among these entities
is embodied in five agreements,
a registry agreement between ICANN and NSI,
a revised registrar accreditation agreement
between ICANN and all registrars
registering names in the .com, .net, and .org domains,
a revised post-testbed registrar license and agreement
between NSI and all registrars
registering names in those domains,
an amendment of various sorts.
Let's read it in English.
I think that's probably better.
NSI will recognize...
But it's not written in English.
Well, this part is.
It's written in bureaucratese.
NSI will recognize ICANN and agree
to operate the registry in accordance
with provisions of the registry agreement
between ICANN and NSI
and the policies established by ICANN
in accordance with the terms of that agreement.
Why is anyone recognizing ICANN?
Well, how do you propose we do it?
You don't.
They came out of nowhere.
Where the heck did ICANN come from?
I'm not sure, to be honest.
Nobody gives.
Yeah.
Well, the thing is...
Nobody knows who gave the authority.
You have to have somebody overseeing NSI.
Why?
Because NSI is a monopoly.
Understood.
So why not break the monopoly?
Well, that's, I think, what this is attempting to do.
By instead putting another bureaucracy on top of it?
How do you break a monopoly?
Will it have even more sweeping powers than NSI did?
We can't go down there and say,
monopoly, go away.
You know, there has to be an entity...
Why?
It happened to AT&T.
No, Judge Green broke them up.
Okay, well...
A federal judge...
Judge White will have to break up NSI.
There is a Judge White, isn't there?
Probably somewhere.
I could have sworn there was one in the 8th district or something.
Beginning January 15, 2000,
NSI as registry will charge registrars $6 per registration year
for the remainder of the term of the registry agreement.
The fee will remain at $9,
that's what it is right now,
until January 15.
NSI will agree to use its best commercial efforts
to implement by January 15 modifications
to the shared registration system
that will enable a registrar to accept registrations and renewals
in one-year increments
and basically enable a registrar to add one year
to a registration period
upon transfer of a registration from one registrar to another.
So basically, you can pick and choose different companies.
NSI will be contractually obligated
to provide equivalent access to the shared registration system
to all registrars accredited by ICANN,
including NSI acting as a registrar,
and to ensure that the revenues and assets of the registry
are not utilized to advantage NSI's registrar activities
to the detriment of other registrars.
Upon the expiration of the agreement,
ICANN will conduct a process
for selecting a successor registry
in which NSI may compete on an equal basis.
So basically, I think that's a period of 3 or 4 years
where NSI will no longer be the only entity running the database.
Yes, it will be instead whoever contributed the most money to ICANN
since they're $800,000 in debt right now.
I don't see that in this press release.
Well, who's the press release from?
ICANN.
Oh, okay.
I'm looking for it. I don't see it there.
The last I heard ICANN was about $800,000 in debt,
and they had to turn over to Nortel.
They went to Cisco.
They said, give us money so that we can keep online,
so that we can continue our non...
Let's move on to another topic.
All accredited registrars also will be required
to provide third-party bulk access to registration data.
Not too crazy about that.
Who is?
Well, all the registrars are going to provide all that information,
I guess, to mass mailers and things like that.
NSI has been doing it for years.
Who is?
Who is what?
That's the service that is being described here.
Oh, you were asking me who is.
Yes, who is data?
An annual fee that may not exceed $10,000.
Interesting.
That's the fee paid from the company to NSI
for access to their database.
Or private information.
You know, I think we should have a say in that
as far as whether or not...
Why?
It's our personal information.
Does the phone company just give out your information without...
Well, yeah, they do.
But they're not supposed to.
They shouldn't.
So do the state governments.
They'll sell your photo and your information
to companies who are interested
in designing facial recognition programs?
I think they get in trouble
when it's discovered they did that.
Anyway, within six months,
the internet website as well as the internet.com,
internet.org, and internet.net domain names
will be transferred to the Department of Commerce.
Until the transfer is complete,
NSI will maintain the internet.net website
as a public information site
with a directory of accredited registrars
for .com, .net, and .org
with hot links to those registrars.
Folks, just be careful.
Go to a website like icanwatch.com.
Stay on top of this.
What's that, a bunch of paranoid Y2K-ers?
No, it's a bunch of paranoid domain name enthusiasts.
Oh.
Well, I'm open to all kinds of alternative solutions,
but I haven't really heard any yet.
Well, they usually involve rocket launchers
or grenades or things like that.
Yeah, that's probably why I'm not listening.
But in any event, if you go to...
The one I went to was firstdomain.net.
If you go there,
you can register all the four-letter words you want.
Well, actually, no, you can't anymore.
You wouldn't believe how fast they went.
It was unbelievable.
And some of the phrases,
which I thought only I knew,
no, they're out there.
They're pretty popular.
And as I said,
most of the political ones are gone.
In fact, right now you can connect your web browser,
since there is a site there,
to www.fourletterword,
beginning with F, Giuliani.com,
and you'll see,
and he's going to get really mad.
I mean, this museum thing,
this is nothing.
This is nothing when he sees that.
I don't know what he's going to do.
I don't even want to begin
to think about the content on the site.
Oh, yeah, it's pretty raunchy stuff.
Got it from newspapers.
All right, continuing along here.
Yeah, moving right along, please.
Where should we go now?
Ah, yes.
This is always fun.
Information Directory Assistance.
AT&T customer gouging at its finest.
I just called AT&T to ask
how much directory information for England is.
$7.95.
In an era where a phone call
from the US to England
is only 10 cents a minute,
why is directory information so expensive?
Does anyone know of a much cheaper way?
Call somebody in England
for 10 cents a minute
and ask them where in the phone book
said person is.
Pretty much.
That's what I've been suggesting for years.
But, you know,
there is an opportunity here
for somebody, somehow,
to make a ton of money
starting a business.
If they can figure out
how to get paid
for all the phone calls to them,
they set up somebody in England.
Actually, you know what?
You don't even have to be in England.
You can just get the phone books
and bring them over here
and set up a phone number here.
Why not?
How hard is that?
Maybe a 900 number.
I hate to actually encourage
the use of a 900 number.
If you have a cheap one.
This would be a reasonable use
of the 900 system.
Yeah, like, you know,
a 25 cent 900 number
or a 50 cent 900.
Can you do that?
Is that possible?
Do you have to charge $9.95 a minute?
I don't know.
But if you can do it
for a cheap enough price,
of course,
that also locks out
a lot of people
that can't dial 900 numbers,
so maybe you can work
something out with that.
Maybe a subscription type
of a thing
where you subscribe
via credit card
and you can ask
as many times as you want
or put something on the web
and you can always do that.
You know?
And basically,
you have to do that
for every single country, though.
You have to get the phone books
for every single country.
Well, not necessarily.
I mean, you cover
the most popular ones.
I'm sure that the people
who are calling you
for the really cheap rate
would let you slide
on Zimbabwe's
Zimbabwe's a very popular country.
Well, I picked something
that was like
a high letter value.
Well, in any event,
I think someone's got
to figure that out
because it's just
it's abominable
that people have to pay
that amount of money
to get information.
It's just, it's wrong.
It's wrong.
So if you can figure out
a way around that,
please let us know.
We're going to be taking
phone calls
212-209-2900.
Here's an interesting story.
You may have seen this
in the in the paper.
18-year-old convicted felon
was jailed
after he unloaded
his .45 caliber Ruger
semi-automatic pistol
on a public telephone
that apparently
stole his change.
Oh, yes.
What a terrific nation this is.
William DeJesus,
I believe is how
you pronounce it,
faces a slew of charges
in connection with the incident,
including criminal mischief
to telephone equipment,
public discharge of a firearm,
and being a convicted felon
in possession of a firearm.
Criminal mischief
to telephone equipment
is a favorite.
I know people who have, like,
been accused
or found guilty of that.
Followed by the other charges.
Interesting.
Not only did he fail
to get his .35 back,
but the telephone
remained in working order.
It must have been
a Bell-operated phone
because those things
can take a lot of abuse.
Oh, the ones with, like,
all the armor plating?
Yeah.
And you have to wonder why
they built them that way
in the first place.
You know now.
People are going to be
unloading slugs into them.
Unbelievable.
Well, they also have
deterrents for people
loading slugs into them.
The coin slugs?
Yeah.
That was a joke.
I think it's time
to move on to the phone calls.
212-209-2900
is our telephone number.
The slug deterrent.
Let's try not to
overload the phone system
this time.
Let's have everybody
calm down.
And only one call per person.
Oh, and if you called
last week,
don't call again this week.
That's fair, right?
Well, it's considerate.
Yeah, it's considerate
to the people that want
to call this week.
So, 212-209-2900,
let us know
where you're calling from
and what's on your mind,
how we can help you,
various things like that.
Slug resistant.
All right.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't turn the microphone on.
Let's start that over again.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hi, I was calling
to complain about the
Department of Defense
computer lab,
the new crime lab.
Okay, tell us about it first.
The article is actually
on hackernews.com.
Let's see.
Supposedly be able
to break
serious encryption
and track people down
to their keyboards.
And they're going to
supposedly use it
for foreign nations.
Really?
Now, how are they
going to do this?
From what I can see here,
it doesn't say much about it,
but they claim to be able
to recover
long deleted files,
cut out floppy disks,
the usual.
Now, who's running this?
Department of Defense.
And they're targeting,
they're supposedly targeting
foreign people,
but you're thinking
they're going to target
people here
in the United States.
Right.
And it's like
in Baltimore, Maryland,
which is so close
to the NSA,
it's not funny.
Yeah, it's definitely
within local calling distance.
That's something
to be concerned about,
obviously,
but more of a concern
is people thinking
that they're safe
when they delete files.
You have to realize
that those files
can be recovered
if not by the NSA
or the Department of Defense
by, you know,
somebody going through
your trash
or someone who gets access
to your system somehow.
Yep, I mean,
you got a text file
on your hard drive
and everything's deleted
and they get the disk
and they recover it
and you're screwed.
That's right.
I've always liked
the DIA eight-step method
for data deletion
where you take the file,
you write over it
with zeros,
you rewrite it with ones,
you write it with
a random mask,
you write it with
the inverse of
the random mask,
you write it with ones,
you write it with zeros
again,
and then you burn it.
And then you have
the eighth option
of, like,
drilling a hole
into the drive.
Well, if you do that,
you don't have to do
the first seven options.
Well, yes, you do.
It's important.
Well, if you destroy
the thing physically,
what's the point
of writing zeros over it?
It's not going to be readable.
Why?
You throw it
into the incinerator.
Come on,
it's just magnetic media.
Yeah, but if you burn it,
it's gone.
If I were to take
that cassette
out of the cassette deck
and, like, shredded it,
would it be possible
to put it back together?
Well, if you left
the cassette lying around,
yeah, of course.
In fact, I've done that.
But if you throw it
into the fire
and it goes away
into a wisp of smoke,
I challenge you
to, you know,
get something meaningful
back out of that.
I don't think
you'll be able to do it.
The problem is that
for the, well,
never mind.
Anything else on your mind,
caller?
Yeah, it's supposed
to be staffed
by a team of 80 personnel.
Uh-huh.
And they claim
to investigate
espionage, murder,
and other crimes.
Oh, boy.
Uh, civilian.
Ooh, that's
gonna be interesting.
We'll look into it
a little more.
All right.
Thanks for the tip on that.
Whatever happened
to those Air National Guardsmen
who were supposed
to be rolling around
all the mill sites
to, like,
take all the quasi-classified
data off them?
We mentioned that,
like, a year ago or something.
Yeah, yeah.
I think they think
they did it.
Okay.
We'll see if they're right.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hi, Emmanuel.
I recall hearing
your voice last week.
Therefore, we must move on.
I don't remember much
from last week,
but I remember him.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello?
Speak up, please.
Yes, go ahead.
Yeah, I just got
a bit of a beef.
Uh, it seems there's no one,
uh, nowhere in the world
that I can go
to become, uh, ungoverned.
If you could suggest
somewhere, uh,
I'd really appreciate that.
Okay.
Launch yourself
into space, I suppose.
Uh, there's a large
swath of Antarctica
that is unclaimable
by all nations.
Unclaimable?
Yes.
Uh, it's a treaty.
Well, those persons,
those nations
that are involved
in the treaty
cannot claim something.
It's like the 150th degree
and, like, 90 or something
in Antarctica.
Right.
And there's a large patch
of Suffolk County, too,
that, uh, no one
can quite seem to...
You could also
declare yourself a sovereign,
which is kind of interesting.
Declare myself a what?
A sovereign nation.
Declare myself
a sovereign nation?
Unversally?
First, you go to Bellevue,
and then once you're
all checked in,
you declare yourself
a sovereign,
and call Isaac
for more information on that.
Declare myself
in a state of nature.
I'll try that.
I don't know if we can
help them very much,
but, you know,
I don't know
if we can help people.
It's very difficult
to escape somebody
wanting to control your life.
There's all the area
underneath the sea,
which we have yet to claim.
Well, there's those, uh,
you know,
exclusive fishing zones,
and...
Yeah, but if you're
on the bottom of the ocean
and you start a little
colony there...
Where in the ocean?
I don't know.
In the middle of the ocean?
Yeah, that could be interesting.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hey, Emmanuel.
It's Tommy.
Hi.
How are you?
Good.
Good to see you.
Good to see you.
I just wanted to add
a little side note
about that ZDTV.
Yes, go ahead.
I actually saw the story
because ZDTV also does
a real media broadcast.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, I should have
mentioned that.
They're widely available.
I'm not sure if it's
still up on the server,
but if anyone has, like,
uh, Real Audio G2,
of course,
you can, uh,
go ahead and click
the sidebar
where the ZDTV link is,
and then it
automatically launches
the top stories
of the last couple hours
or whatever,
but the...
story was on the
weekend wrap-up
when they were
talking about that,
and they were also
talking about, um,
the fact that
the iBooks are
creating something
in France also,
like something wrong
with the military.
Yeah, uh...
That was about it,
and I gotta run,
so peace to everybody,
and I'll talk to you soon.
Okay, thanks, uh,
thanks for calling.
Yeah, the iBook airport
is supposed to operate
on, uh, 2.4 gigahertz,
and, uh, in France
that's reserved
for military traffic.
How interesting.
Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
Good evening.
You're on the air,
Yes, I have a question.
Go ahead.
Uh, the AMD, uh,
K62 processor?
Uh-huh.
I was curious to know
how does it rank
in terms of...
See, I'm getting
an IBM computer
refurbished with that
chip in it,
a 300 megahertz chip.
How does that compare
to, say, a CELON,
or maybe, uh, um,
there's another
low-end chip,
but how would you
classify it in terms
of its performance
characteristics?
Uh, I don't deal
with PC hardware.
I dislike
PC hardware greatly.
Uh, I don't deal
with PC hardware.
I dislike
PC hardware greatly.
Uh, probably
the best people
to ask are on
tomorrow night
in this time slot.
Sure.
Thank you.
Personal Computer Show.
Yep, heard every
Wednesday from 8 to 9.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Speak up, please.
Uh, yes.
Hi.
Um, Michelle
from Croton,
and, um, I read
recently where IDT,
a company based
in Hackensack,
New Jersey,
is...
will plan to,
uh, offer
long-distance
for five cents
a minute,
and $3.95
a month,
and three and a
half cents,
uh, if you sign
up for their,
uh, internet
service.
Uh, what can
you tell me about
this company?
I'm not familiar
with them, and
are you familiar
with this offer?
Yeah, IDT has
been around for a
while as an
internet provider
and, uh, an
alternative
long-distance
company as well.
Uh, I think
their offer is
actually for 4.9 cents
and cheaper if, uh,
if you sign up
and, um, you can
get, uh, a somewhat
higher rate on
your, on your
home phone.
I'm not sure if
it's 8 or 9 cents
a minute.
The 4.9 and 3.5
cent deals, uh, are
actually deals where
you have to call up
a particular number,
a local phone number,
and your call is
routed over the
internet, and we,
we tested it out
on the air a couple
of times.
It doesn't sound
too bad, but the
fact is you do have
to call a different
number to establish
the connection, and
then once you do
that, you enter your
phone number, you
have to pay that
amount.
Now, that's fine if,
if you have free
access to that number,
but if you're, you
know, if you have to
pay to call that
number, obviously
that's more money that
you have to spend.
So it can be a good
deal.
It's a little bit,
uh, bulky to use,
only for that reason.
Uh, and I'm not
familiar with their
internet service,
never actually used
that, but, uh, they
are definitely a player
in the, um, in the,
in the phone and
internet business.
Okay, great.
Thank you.
Good luck.
Bye.
Okay.
Bye.