Off The Hook - 2000-04-04

[00:20.400 --> 00:24.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: And you're listening to radio station WBAI in New York.
[00:24.200 --> 00:25.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: The time is 8 o'clock.
[00:25.280 --> 00:27.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: Once again, it's time for Off the Hook.
[01:57.340 --> 01:58.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: And a very good evening to everybody.
[01:58.840 --> 02:00.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: The program is Off the Hook.
[02:22.510 --> 02:23.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: Ah, that's better.
[02:23.500 --> 02:24.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: Every week I come in here.
[02:24.480 --> 02:26.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: Every week the headphones are kind of messed up.
[02:26.660 --> 02:29.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: So this week I had to change them around.
[02:30.820 --> 02:31.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, good evening.
[02:31.830 --> 02:35.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's another fun occurrence here.
[02:40.610 --> 02:42.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: As the boat prepares to leave.
[02:43.990 --> 02:45.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bear with us a moment.
[02:47.870 --> 02:49.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's try something.
[02:49.370 --> 02:51.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: Give us a dial tone here, please.
[02:52.110 --> 02:52.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: There we are.
[02:53.050 --> 02:54.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, we're going to try something.
[02:57.660 --> 02:59.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm afraid of what I'm going to find out.
[03:22.310 --> 03:23.190]  [SPEAKER_10]: We're sorry.
[03:23.550 --> 03:26.150]  [SPEAKER_10]: Your call cannot be completed as dialed.
[03:26.610 --> 03:28.790]  [SPEAKER_10]: Please check the number and dial again.
[03:30.510 --> 03:32.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's not right.
[03:32.030 --> 03:32.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's my number.
[03:34.230 --> 03:36.310]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's my number in the 516 area code.
[03:36.410 --> 03:36.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[03:36.890 --> 03:37.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I know.
[03:37.430 --> 03:44.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: As of April 1st, I was supposed to officially start dialing 631 as my area code.
[03:44.850 --> 03:46.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: But I thought they'd give a warning.
[03:46.270 --> 03:50.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: I thought they'd give some kind of error message saying that you have to dial that area code.
[03:50.510 --> 03:52.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now you just get a recording like this.
[03:52.270 --> 03:52.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's not right.
[03:53.410 --> 03:57.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: That could just be because we use a company other than Bell Atlantic that's happening.
[03:57.730 --> 03:59.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't know.
[03:59.670 --> 04:03.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: It seems rather unforgiving and strange.
[04:07.450 --> 04:09.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's not nice when you lose your area code.
[04:09.350 --> 04:10.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how many people have had that happen to them.
[04:12.010 --> 04:15.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: Something that is more traumatic than you might think.
[04:16.030 --> 04:19.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, when you grow up with an area code, you live with it your whole life.
[04:19.790 --> 04:20.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: 516.
[04:20.550 --> 04:21.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: It means something to you.
[04:21.550 --> 04:25.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: And then one day to be told, it's no longer who you are.
[04:25.590 --> 04:26.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: You are now 631.
[04:27.170 --> 04:28.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Who makes that decision?
[04:28.750 --> 04:29.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: Who is it that says that?
[04:30.890 --> 04:31.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: My God.
[04:32.190 --> 04:35.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: They just don't think about the ramifications or something like that.
[04:35.190 --> 04:37.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, it could have been so easily fixed in a different way.
[04:37.470 --> 04:40.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't have to rob us of identity.
[04:41.990 --> 04:42.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: There was talk of that.
[04:43.010 --> 04:45.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: Remember when they were talking about splitting 212?
[04:46.590 --> 04:49.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: And they finally resolved it with 646.
[04:50.070 --> 04:55.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, being sort of a half and half type of area code where new phone numbers would get assigned 646.
[04:55.970 --> 05:03.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: But there would be no geographical line that people over one side would be 646 and others would be 212.
[05:03.970 --> 05:07.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: because there were those who would take up arms against something like that.
[05:09.030 --> 05:11.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212 means a lot more, obviously, than 516.
[05:11.570 --> 05:14.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: But still, you know, it's a bit of culture.
[05:14.090 --> 05:17.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: We don't have very much of anything out there, so...
[05:17.690 --> 05:22.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: 516 was something that we valued quite a bit.
[05:24.310 --> 05:26.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: Alright, well, now that we're out of...
[05:26.090 --> 05:27.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're finished with that.
[05:28.550 --> 05:29.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: Some exciting news.
[05:30.570 --> 05:31.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now let's play some exciting music.
[05:34.850 --> 05:36.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, okay, that's about as exciting as we're gonna get.
[05:37.990 --> 05:40.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: We have a new telephone company.
[05:41.230 --> 05:43.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: Or actually, just a new name.
[05:44.670 --> 05:46.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: A new name of a new company.
[05:47.110 --> 05:53.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: So that we can prepare to hate this company and do all kinds of mean, nasty, horrible things.
[05:55.970 --> 05:57.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're never gonna guess.
[05:57.630 --> 05:59.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: The new company is called...
[05:59.450 --> 06:00.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: Verizon.
[06:01.710 --> 06:02.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: Stupid name, huh?
[06:02.870 --> 06:03.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: Verizon.
[06:04.370 --> 06:05.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bet you don't even know how to spell it.
[06:07.770 --> 06:11.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Verizon is spelled V-E-R-I-Z-O-N.
[06:11.030 --> 06:13.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I guarantee you, you will know that name.
[06:13.330 --> 06:16.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: You might know that name today, but you will know that name in the next...
[06:17.610 --> 06:19.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'd say in the next month you're gonna know that name.
[06:19.710 --> 06:21.530]  [SPEAKER_05]: And certainly in the next year...
[06:23.190 --> 06:26.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: You will have cursed out that name at least a dozen times.
[06:26.750 --> 06:27.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: At least.
[06:29.550 --> 06:34.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we've seen New York Telephone turn into NYNEX.
[06:34.650 --> 06:36.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: We've seen NYNEX turn into Bell Atlantic.
[06:36.470 --> 06:37.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's not over yet.
[06:38.070 --> 06:40.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bell Atlantic is changing their name.
[06:41.550 --> 06:43.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, actually, it's a bit more complicated than that.
[06:43.350 --> 06:45.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're changing their name and they're merging.
[06:45.990 --> 06:48.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're merging with GTE.
[06:48.730 --> 06:51.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: The new company will be called Verizon.
[06:52.370 --> 06:55.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, it's all contingent upon FCC approval.
[06:56.010 --> 06:58.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: But Verizon is the new name of the combined company.
[06:58.990 --> 07:05.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bell Atlantic and GTE said the new name and its associated logo will become the master brand.
[07:05.330 --> 07:09.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Under which the combined company will market its services to residential and business customers.
[07:10.130 --> 07:16.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: The company has announced the name and brand strategy to employees yesterday, April 3rd.
[07:16.390 --> 07:21.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: In anticipation of the launch of the wireless venture between Bell Atlantic and Vodafone Airtouch.
[07:21.710 --> 07:23.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Which was planned for today.
[07:23.550 --> 07:24.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I know if that happened.
[07:24.830 --> 07:25.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think it did.
[07:27.030 --> 07:33.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: The joint venture to be known as Verizon Wireless will be the first entity to use the new name.
[07:34.310 --> 07:41.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: The word Verizon, pronounced the way I'm saying it, according to them, was selected from more than 8,500 names.
[07:42.610 --> 07:46.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: The new name comes from the Latin word veritas, which means truth.
[07:49.790 --> 07:52.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh boy, they're going to attach truth to the name of a phone company.
[07:52.730 --> 07:53.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's a first.
[07:55.250 --> 07:56.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and also connotes...
[07:57.330 --> 07:59.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh boy, this is the clincher.
[07:59.190 --> 08:00.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: Certainty and reliability.
[08:00.330 --> 08:00.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: Possibility.
[08:01.650 --> 08:02.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[08:03.150 --> 08:05.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: I guess it's like one of those sarcastic names.
[08:06.810 --> 08:10.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, like when someone says something is really bad, but they mean it's really good.
[08:11.430 --> 08:13.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's what Verizon is going to mean.
[08:14.650 --> 08:19.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: And also, of course, the word horizon, which signifies the possibilities ahead.
[08:20.570 --> 08:22.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, we know those all too well.
[08:22.650 --> 08:30.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: The new logo is a bold red, black, and white rendition of the name with strong graphic accents highlighting the V and the Z.
[08:33.030 --> 08:34.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bell Atlantic and...
[08:34.150 --> 08:35.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: I love corporate press releases.
[08:35.590 --> 08:36.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's just so funny.
[08:37.090 --> 08:48.310]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bell Atlantic and GTE said that Verizon differentiates them from the rest of the Bell operating companies and the other players in the telecommunications industry and it is capable of assimilating significant brand equity over time.
[08:48.310 --> 08:56.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: And furthermore, Verizon signifies a company that will provide customers with both stability and a forward-looking vision.
[08:57.410 --> 09:03.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: The company said they will adopt the name and support it with significant marketing upon FCC approval of their merger.
[09:03.730 --> 09:11.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: Immediately following merger closing, the name and logo will appear on buildings, payphones, vehicles, customer bills, and other materials, maybe even your house.
[09:11.870 --> 09:13.530]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to put that logo everywhere.
[09:15.730 --> 09:18.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: You won't be able to sleep without seeing that logo.
[09:18.910 --> 09:22.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: The companies are targeting completion of the merger in the second quarter of this year.
[09:23.630 --> 09:29.530]  [SPEAKER_05]: And they said the full rebranding will take from 12 to 24 months, although the new name and logo will be visible in key locations quickly.
[09:31.630 --> 09:32.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Amazing.
[09:32.410 --> 09:34.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is why we don't keep repainting the 2600 van.
[09:34.810 --> 09:35.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's pointless.
[09:35.710 --> 09:37.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, we're still in the New York telephone mode.
[09:37.750 --> 09:41.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: We never switched to 9x because if we had switched to 9x, we would have had to switch again to Bell Atlantic.
[09:41.370 --> 09:42.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: And then we're going to have to switch again for this.
[09:42.890 --> 09:45.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, we'll just hold on to the old New York telephone logo.
[09:45.910 --> 09:47.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's kind of cool.
[09:47.690 --> 09:52.490]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, these guys are kind of uncertain as to their future or their control of the net because...
[09:52.490 --> 09:58.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they registered verizon.com, verizon.net, verizon.org.
[09:58.970 --> 10:00.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: I guess you're kind of expecting to do that.
[10:00.870 --> 10:01.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, they...
[10:02.690 --> 10:04.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: They moved pretty fast on that.
[10:04.410 --> 10:05.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: But they didn't stop there.
[10:05.570 --> 10:06.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no.
[10:06.410 --> 10:07.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: They went on.
[10:07.710 --> 10:09.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's the first domain you'd want to register?
[10:11.030 --> 10:11.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: VerizonSucks.com?
[10:11.970 --> 10:12.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: Too late.
[10:12.510 --> 10:13.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: They got that one, too.
[10:13.830 --> 10:14.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[10:14.410 --> 10:15.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: They have VerizonSucks.com.
[10:15.890 --> 10:21.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why corporations want to take something with their name followed by the word sucks.
[10:21.670 --> 10:26.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's as if they know that they suck and they want to run the webpage that explains why.
[10:28.470 --> 10:32.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, these guys have set some kind of all-time record for the number of domains they've gotten.
[10:32.310 --> 10:34.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: They've got verizonsucks.com.org.net.
[10:35.470 --> 10:39.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: And not only that, they got Verizon spelled wrong in all different connotations as well.
[10:39.350 --> 10:46.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, these guys are really seeking to control every possible web access.
[10:46.330 --> 10:47.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: But you know what site they don't have?
[10:48.010 --> 10:54.310]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, there's the one that I can't say on the air, which may be assigned really, really shortly.
[10:54.310 --> 10:58.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: But there's also VerizonReallySucks.com.
[10:58.610 --> 11:00.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't think of that one.
[11:02.210 --> 11:04.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, look for some fun to appear on that site.
[11:06.910 --> 11:07.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: Verizon.
[11:07.790 --> 11:08.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[11:08.690 --> 11:15.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's all registered to people in Illinois and Virginia for some reason.
[11:15.830 --> 11:18.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: The headquarters of the new company are going to be in Texas, I believe.
[11:19.850 --> 11:20.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's really something.
[11:21.050 --> 11:23.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: Remember how happy everybody was that Bell Atlantic was going to be headquartered in New York?
[11:23.910 --> 11:24.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, those days are gone.
[11:26.210 --> 11:26.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[11:26.630 --> 11:31.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: New multinational corporations will control things from afar.
[11:32.210 --> 11:35.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: We'd like to get your feedback on the new company.
[11:36.670 --> 11:38.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, we're going to be adding Bernie S.
[11:38.470 --> 11:39.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: into things in just a moment.
[11:39.610 --> 11:41.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think he even knows about it.
[11:41.670 --> 11:44.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think he even is aware of what's going on.
[11:45.310 --> 11:49.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's talk about something that's rather important.
[11:49.890 --> 11:51.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to be talking about this throughout the hour.
[11:52.410 --> 11:58.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that is, of course, the lawsuit filed against us, 2600, me personally.
[11:59.650 --> 12:17.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: And there was a web page that just got published a couple of days ago, actually, of people who sent in reply comments to the, I guess, government is the best way to say it.
[12:17.130 --> 12:18.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: They were due on March 31st.
[12:18.650 --> 12:30.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: And a bunch of people sent in comments about the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and why that was a threat, why that was something that was not a good thing to pass.
[12:32.110 --> 12:34.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: And how many people actually submitted things?
[12:34.270 --> 12:36.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: Not as many as you might think.
[12:36.390 --> 12:37.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: 128 people.
[12:37.530 --> 12:39.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: 128 people submitted things.
[12:40.590 --> 12:46.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: And you'd expect that many hundreds of thousands of people would submit things.
[12:47.410 --> 12:48.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: But that's just the nature.
[12:49.050 --> 12:52.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's the nature of most... most forms of feedback.
[12:52.470 --> 12:54.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: How many people call on a radio talk show?
[12:54.510 --> 12:55.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: How many people write letters to the newspaper?
[12:56.030 --> 12:57.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: How many people call their congressman?
[12:57.590 --> 12:59.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's relatively few.
[12:59.730 --> 13:08.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: But there's good in that because it means that if you're one of those people out there and you do care enough to write something, your words are going to count all the more.
[13:10.150 --> 13:11.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's very simple.
[13:12.070 --> 13:16.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: So that hopefully will be some inspiration for people to do this in the future.
[13:16.990 --> 13:23.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: There will be other forums in which to express your opinions on the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
[13:23.510 --> 13:31.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: But we have actually one of the people who successfully submitted something to the website.
[13:31.990 --> 13:34.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's now... let's see if I can get the address of this thing.
[13:37.230 --> 13:46.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, lcweb.loc.gov slash copyright slash 1201 slash comments slash reply.
[13:47.250 --> 13:48.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we'll repeat that later.
[13:49.030 --> 13:49.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: But Shana is here.
[13:50.070 --> 13:50.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: Shana, hi.
[13:50.610 --> 13:51.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing?
[13:51.310 --> 13:53.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: You actually submitted something and it actually got printed.
[13:54.030 --> 13:55.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I guess everybody submitted something.
[13:55.590 --> 13:55.710]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[13:55.710 --> 13:56.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's got printed.
[13:56.510 --> 13:57.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of amazing.
[13:57.590 --> 14:04.290]  [SPEAKER_01]: I can try for three days to call who wants to be a millionaire through the toll-free line and I can never get on.
[14:04.450 --> 14:05.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I submit email...
[14:06.170 --> 14:07.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: I've never even seen that show.
[14:07.650 --> 14:11.430]  [SPEAKER_01]: I submit email to the Office of Copyright and, you know, it's on there.
[14:11.570 --> 14:12.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's on a government website.
[14:12.830 --> 14:17.710]  [SPEAKER_01]: Although I think that their domain name should be a bit easier, though, being the Office of Copyright of the government.
[14:17.770 --> 14:18.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: They make things difficult.
[14:18.610 --> 14:22.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I remember when they asked people to submit things, you couldn't just submit it.
[14:22.870 --> 14:24.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: You had to submit it as an attachment.
[14:24.570 --> 14:26.450]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you had to submit it as an attachment.
[14:26.450 --> 14:27.530]  [SPEAKER_01]: I think either...
[14:27.530 --> 14:29.850]  [SPEAKER_01]: They had about four different types of attachments.
[14:29.910 --> 14:31.510]  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's WordPerfect or WordDocument.
[14:32.150 --> 14:34.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if they let you send it as a text file.
[14:34.570 --> 14:37.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think you could send it any way you wanted, as long as it was an attachment.
[14:37.870 --> 14:39.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: You could send it as a text file if it was an attachment.
[14:39.670 --> 14:40.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: I believe that was okay.
[14:41.490 --> 14:43.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe we can hear from some other people who submitted things.
[14:43.390 --> 14:45.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: I see at least one other name on there that I recognize.
[14:47.050 --> 14:48.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, what did you say?
[14:48.130 --> 14:49.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't have the printout here.
[14:49.370 --> 15:04.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: I basically just said that I thought that the DMCA was a big violation of the idea of freedom in the marketplace, the marketplace of ideas that came out of people like Justice Holmes and Justice Brandeis.
[15:04.290 --> 15:05.350]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that was really important.
[15:05.350 --> 15:07.550]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge violation of First Amendment rights.
[15:07.990 --> 15:14.610]  [SPEAKER_01]: And artists from abroad, you don't want to buy a DVD made in England because you can't play it on your DVD here.
[15:16.250 --> 15:19.010]  [SPEAKER_01]: So, that's basically what I said, though.
[15:19.670 --> 15:23.010]  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think artists are going to lose a lot of money on it.
[15:23.810 --> 15:25.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: How long was your statement?
[15:26.050 --> 15:28.570]  [SPEAKER_01]: It was probably about five sentences.
[15:28.790 --> 15:29.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: Five to eight sentences.
[15:30.130 --> 15:30.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: Not terribly long.
[15:31.070 --> 15:32.390]  [SPEAKER_01]: It was enough to get my point across.
[15:32.770 --> 15:35.310]  [SPEAKER_01]: I told them that I thought the legislation was frightening.
[15:38.170 --> 15:40.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: It was really bothersome, though.
[15:40.550 --> 15:42.090]  [SPEAKER_01]: And I wish that more people had written in.
[15:43.410 --> 15:47.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think it's inspiring that at least some people did.
[15:47.550 --> 15:48.050]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.
[15:48.050 --> 15:49.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very glad that people did, though.
[15:50.290 --> 15:57.810]  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think people should definitely hit the Electronic Frontier Foundation site, too, because they always have a lot of DMCA updates.
[15:58.490 --> 16:00.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, again, we're going to give out that URL.
[16:00.710 --> 16:09.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's lcweb.loc.gov slash copyright slash 1201 slash comments slash reply.
[16:10.670 --> 16:14.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll be putting up a link to that on the 2600 page, hopefully.
[16:14.950 --> 16:16.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: You can read what everybody has to say.
[16:17.110 --> 16:17.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: There are actually...
[16:17.950 --> 16:19.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: Did you read the other comments from other people?
[16:19.990 --> 16:20.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[16:20.070 --> 16:22.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: There are some people from the Motion Picture Association on there, too, as well.
[16:23.090 --> 16:23.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[16:23.750 --> 16:25.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: They said some interesting things.
[16:25.690 --> 16:27.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't had a chance to read it all, but...
[16:27.690 --> 16:28.630]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't read all of it.
[16:28.630 --> 16:30.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: Both sides are represented here.
[16:30.570 --> 16:33.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: But I think we outnumbered them just slightly.
[16:33.930 --> 16:36.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that I would actually have a chance.
[16:36.510 --> 16:38.590]  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you could have gone to the hearing, too.
[16:39.090 --> 16:42.910]  [SPEAKER_01]: And you could have been put up on a podium or something and said your piece.
[16:43.190 --> 16:45.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: There is a hearing coming up, I think, in...
[16:45.050 --> 16:45.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[16:45.410 --> 16:45.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Is it May?
[16:46.210 --> 16:47.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it is May.
[16:47.910 --> 16:48.810]  [SPEAKER_01]: And where is it?
[16:48.890 --> 16:50.430]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's in D.C., right?
[16:50.630 --> 16:51.270]  [SPEAKER_01]: It's somewhere in D.C.
[16:51.270 --> 16:52.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't have the information here.
[16:52.210 --> 16:53.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe somebody can call.
[16:53.670 --> 16:54.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, maybe someone is calling up right now.
[16:55.870 --> 16:57.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's Bernie S.
[16:58.330 --> 16:59.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Isn't that great?
[16:59.490 --> 16:59.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hang on a second.
[17:00.510 --> 17:01.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, Bernie, is that you?
[17:02.450 --> 17:04.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, we're going to call you right back on the real phone.
[17:08.170 --> 17:08.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[17:08.890 --> 17:09.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, we're going to call you right back.
[17:10.450 --> 17:10.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[17:12.810 --> 17:13.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[17:13.590 --> 17:17.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bernie is warning us that his Sprint phone is malfunctioning, so we have to...
[17:18.190 --> 17:19.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: We have to exercise some patience.
[17:19.790 --> 17:20.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe he needs to get Verizon.
[17:21.110 --> 17:21.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[17:22.770 --> 17:23.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, boy.
[17:23.510 --> 17:23.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[17:24.310 --> 17:27.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's think of some good catchy slogans for Verizon now that we have advance notice.
[17:28.550 --> 17:28.870]  Beep.
[17:29.950 --> 17:32.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to test Bernie S., see if he even knows what the company is.
[17:33.630 --> 17:35.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to have a chance to talk about this before the show.
[17:37.470 --> 17:38.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, Bernie, where's your phone?
[17:39.950 --> 17:40.270]  Beep.
[17:40.370 --> 17:40.730]  There it is.
[17:46.860 --> 17:47.180]  [SPEAKER_11]: Hello.
[17:47.400 --> 17:47.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hello, Bernie.
[17:48.060 --> 17:48.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: How are you?
[17:48.620 --> 17:49.400]  [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, that's much better.
[17:49.540 --> 17:53.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to say a word to you, and you're going to tell us the first thing that comes to mind.
[17:53.260 --> 17:53.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: Are you ready?
[17:53.940 --> 17:55.580]  [SPEAKER_11]: I hate these word association tests.
[17:55.740 --> 17:57.520]  [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, what if something sexual comes to mind?
[17:58.520 --> 18:00.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's just a chance we're all going to have to take.
[18:00.520 --> 18:01.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're grown-ups here.
[18:01.660 --> 18:01.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[18:01.960 --> 18:02.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: Go ahead.
[18:02.280 --> 18:03.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: Children, turn on the TV.
[18:03.380 --> 18:03.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: Do something else.
[18:04.200 --> 18:04.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[18:04.460 --> 18:04.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: Ready?
[18:05.580 --> 18:05.940]  [SPEAKER_11]: Mm-hmm.
[18:06.040 --> 18:07.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: The word is Verizon.
[18:12.060 --> 18:14.660]  [SPEAKER_11]: A very bad taste comes to mind.
[18:15.080 --> 18:16.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: A bad taste of what?
[18:16.760 --> 18:18.120]  [SPEAKER_11]: A bad taste of a...
[18:18.120 --> 18:18.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: A bad taste.
[18:19.100 --> 18:20.800]  [SPEAKER_11]: A bad taste comes to mind.
[18:20.920 --> 18:22.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: And why do you say that?
[18:22.000 --> 18:29.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, because there's an insurance company called Horizon, which was my, up until recently, was my health insurance carrier.
[18:29.540 --> 18:29.760]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh.
[18:29.780 --> 18:32.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: A division of Blue Cross and Blue Shield.
[18:32.940 --> 18:34.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: And it was the most horrible.
[18:34.420 --> 18:36.980]  [SPEAKER_11]: We had about 50 companies, 50 people at the company I work for.
[18:37.280 --> 18:43.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: And we were all just completely upset with this company because they were just the worst.
[18:43.480 --> 18:46.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: They would just challenge every single claim you made.
[18:46.540 --> 18:50.940]  [SPEAKER_11]: So it was Horizon of New Jersey or something.
[18:51.000 --> 18:51.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right, well...
[18:51.820 --> 18:52.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: They sucked!
[18:52.580 --> 18:54.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, that may be so.
[18:54.360 --> 18:56.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: But Horizon is not the word I said.
[18:56.320 --> 18:57.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: I said Verizon.
[18:58.680 --> 18:59.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: Surely you know...
[18:59.400 --> 18:59.780]  [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, Verizon!
[19:00.140 --> 19:01.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're familiar with the Latin connotation.
[19:01.940 --> 19:02.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: I know what it is.
[19:03.160 --> 19:07.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's one of these words they came up with.
[19:07.400 --> 19:15.760]  [SPEAKER_11]: They paid probably hundreds of thousands of dollars for some consulting firm to come up with this name for this new merger for this, you know, Bell Atlantic and Vodafone.
[19:15.760 --> 19:16.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: He knows about it!
[19:16.940 --> 19:17.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: Man!
[19:17.200 --> 19:19.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: I knew all about it, but I thought you said Horizon.
[19:19.540 --> 19:24.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's one of these non-word words that is going to have zero recognition to everybody.
[19:24.220 --> 19:27.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, people are going to mix it up with Horizon and think bad insurance.
[19:27.740 --> 19:28.800]  [SPEAKER_11]: I wonder what...
[19:28.800 --> 19:30.920]  [SPEAKER_11]: I really wonder what they paid and how much...
[19:30.920 --> 19:33.620]  [SPEAKER_11]: How they researched these stupid names.
[19:33.820 --> 19:35.020]  [SPEAKER_11]: I mean, there's other...
[19:35.020 --> 19:36.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: Wasn't there one of the other...
[19:36.300 --> 19:41.700]  [SPEAKER_11]: One of the other Baby Bells came up with an equally stupid...
[19:41.700 --> 19:43.000]  [SPEAKER_11]: How about NYNEX, for instance?
[19:43.700 --> 19:45.100]  [SPEAKER_11]: NYNEX was a stupid name.
[19:45.300 --> 19:47.040]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, actually, NYNEX kind of like...
[19:47.040 --> 19:48.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: At least it flows.
[19:48.760 --> 19:49.460]  [SPEAKER_11]: It was an abbreviation.
[19:49.600 --> 19:51.260]  [SPEAKER_11]: It was New York, New England, X.
[19:51.620 --> 19:54.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, X meaning the unknown, but I don't know.
[19:54.620 --> 19:56.060]  [SPEAKER_11]: We found out what that unknown was.
[19:56.160 --> 19:56.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: It flowed...
[19:56.660 --> 19:56.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[19:57.020 --> 19:58.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: It flowed a lot better.
[19:58.520 --> 20:06.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: Verizon, though, as we mentioned, comes from the Latin word veritas, which means truth, truth, and connotates certainty and reliability.
[20:07.040 --> 20:07.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I just thought that was...
[20:07.840 --> 20:09.840]  [SPEAKER_11]: None of those things come to mind when I think about that.
[20:09.860 --> 20:11.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they're being funny, don't you see?
[20:11.960 --> 20:12.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: I see.
[20:12.500 --> 20:13.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: They can have a sense of humor.
[20:13.800 --> 20:15.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, phone company people can have a great sense of humor.
[20:16.860 --> 20:18.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's how they picked that.
[20:18.460 --> 20:21.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: Also, Horizon signifies the possibilities ahead.
[20:22.460 --> 20:23.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, I can hardly wait.
[20:24.080 --> 20:26.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: I can hardly wait for these possibilities to start manifesting themselves.
[20:27.220 --> 20:30.060]  [SPEAKER_11]: I did read today that they were going to...
[20:30.060 --> 20:36.400]  [SPEAKER_11]: After this merger, they were going to have access to 90...
[20:36.400 --> 20:39.260]  [SPEAKER_11]: Over 90% of the wireless market.
[20:39.560 --> 20:45.320]  [SPEAKER_11]: And something like 91 of the 95 top wireless markets in the United States.
[20:46.380 --> 20:51.180]  [SPEAKER_11]: Or present in 91 of the top 95 wireless markets in the United States.
[20:51.460 --> 20:53.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: That seems like a fair competitive edge.
[20:54.200 --> 20:54.520]  [SPEAKER_11]: Whew.
[20:55.040 --> 20:56.740]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, they're still probably going to blow it.
[20:56.880 --> 20:59.200]  [SPEAKER_11]: And, you know, I have no hopes for this.
[20:59.200 --> 21:01.080]  [SPEAKER_11]: I'm not going to buy any stock from this IPO.
[21:01.540 --> 21:01.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[21:03.000 --> 21:04.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it should be interesting.
[21:04.540 --> 21:05.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody's going to have to get used to this one.
[21:06.020 --> 21:07.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, this is going to affect, what?
[21:07.280 --> 21:08.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody who's in Bell Atlantic territory.
[21:08.880 --> 21:10.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: And also, I guess, everybody who's in...
[21:10.500 --> 21:14.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: Does that mean every GTE phone company throughout the country is going to be a...
[21:14.320 --> 21:15.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember the name.
[21:15.620 --> 21:16.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: A Verizon company?
[21:18.500 --> 21:20.100]  [SPEAKER_11]: I have no idea how they're going to do it.
[21:20.220 --> 21:20.980]  [SPEAKER_11]: It doesn't...
[21:20.980 --> 21:23.260]  [SPEAKER_11]: I was ambiguous when I read this press release.
[21:23.260 --> 21:24.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: It didn't...
[21:24.340 --> 21:24.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't...
[21:24.880 --> 21:27.540]  [SPEAKER_11]: Is Bell Atlantic going to change its name to...
[21:27.540 --> 21:29.400]  [SPEAKER_11]: I guess that's what you were just mentioning.
[21:29.520 --> 21:30.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: I thought...
[21:30.040 --> 21:35.660]  [SPEAKER_11]: What I guessed it meant was, in the press release, is that just the wireless company was going to be called Verizon.
[21:35.660 --> 21:36.120]  [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, no, no, no.
[21:36.680 --> 21:37.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no.
[21:37.680 --> 21:38.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: Whole thing.
[21:38.400 --> 21:41.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let me repeat what they said here.
[21:42.700 --> 21:51.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bell Atlantic and GTE said the new name and its associated logo will become the master brand under which the combined company will market its services to residential and business customers.
[21:53.900 --> 21:54.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: So...
[21:54.340 --> 21:54.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[21:54.800 --> 21:55.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: No more Bell Atlantic.
[21:55.920 --> 21:56.280]  [SPEAKER_11]: Verizon.
[21:56.620 --> 21:57.400]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's ridiculous.
[21:57.580 --> 22:00.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: Just when you get used to who you're supposed to be hating, they change their name.
[22:01.160 --> 22:05.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: Bell Atlantic, I mean, just the word Bell has incredible name recognition.
[22:05.540 --> 22:06.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's true.
[22:06.220 --> 22:21.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: In fact, if you recall, I'm sure you recall, some of our listeners probably recall also, AT&T wanted to keep that well-known and trusted Bell name when they, you know, after the divestiture.
[22:21.560 --> 22:23.080]  [SPEAKER_11]: But Judge Green wouldn't let them take it.
[22:23.580 --> 22:25.620]  [SPEAKER_11]: And remember they wanted to call themselves American Bell?
[22:25.720 --> 22:28.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think they did call themselves American Bell for like a year or something, didn't they?
[22:29.440 --> 22:33.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: I seem to recall like some really bad logo for American Bell.
[22:33.380 --> 22:34.980]  [SPEAKER_11]: They wanted to call it American Bell.
[22:34.980 --> 22:38.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: They also wanted to use the Bell logo, the Bell symbol.
[22:39.720 --> 22:42.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: But they were prohibited from doing so by Judge Green.
[22:42.860 --> 22:43.040]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[22:44.300 --> 22:45.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, Judge Green recently passed away.
[22:45.900 --> 22:46.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: Did you know that?
[22:46.580 --> 22:47.320]  [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't know that.
[22:47.400 --> 22:51.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: I just read it in a little tiny section of a newspaper someplace, but...
[22:51.320 --> 22:51.720]  [SPEAKER_11]: Wow.
[22:51.840 --> 22:51.960]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[22:52.080 --> 22:56.380]  [SPEAKER_11]: That was truly a historical judgment he made.
[22:56.600 --> 22:56.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[22:57.600 --> 23:06.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, just to quickly, uh, uh, reprise what we said before that, uh, these guys have wasted no effort in, uh, registering names.
[23:06.580 --> 23:08.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: They've got Verizon.com.org.net.
[23:08.460 --> 23:09.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: They got Verizon spelled wrong.
[23:09.840 --> 23:12.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: They've got VerizonSucks.com.org.net.
[23:12.920 --> 23:16.040]  [SPEAKER_05]: But they don't have VerizonReallySucks.com.
[23:16.980 --> 23:18.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: Somebody else has that one now.
[23:18.540 --> 23:20.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: And they don't have a couple others, which I'm not gonna say on the air.
[23:21.260 --> 23:24.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, uh, it's gonna be interesting to see what happens in the, uh, weeks, months, years ahead.
[23:24.840 --> 23:26.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: But there's a new company.
[23:26.700 --> 23:29.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: A new company that, uh, we'll all have to get used to.
[23:29.280 --> 23:36.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: At least, those of us here, and I guess in the New York, um, D.C., Boston area, but maybe people on the other side of the country, you're safe for a little while.
[23:37.740 --> 23:39.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: Until they start expanding.
[23:39.600 --> 23:39.820]  [SPEAKER_11]: Hmm.
[23:40.360 --> 23:43.560]  [SPEAKER_11]: It was kind of a crazy day in, uh, Philadelphia, or in Pennsylvania today.
[23:43.680 --> 23:44.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Why is that?
[23:44.560 --> 23:46.320]  [SPEAKER_11]: Today was the Pennsylvania primaries.
[23:47.620 --> 23:48.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: Did you vote again?
[23:49.300 --> 23:53.380]  [SPEAKER_11]: I had to exercise my civil disobedience and cast my votes.
[23:53.380 --> 23:54.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, boy.
[23:54.680 --> 23:55.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're just gonna keep getting them angry.
[23:56.240 --> 23:57.380]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, I went in and I, uh, I pulled that lever.
[23:57.620 --> 23:57.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[23:58.140 --> 23:58.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, wait, wait.
[23:58.940 --> 24:00.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's this a vote for?
[24:00.220 --> 24:02.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is a vote for, for presidential candidates?
[24:03.200 --> 24:06.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: Uh, and, and local, uh, local offices as well.
[24:06.580 --> 24:07.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't understand this country.
[24:07.780 --> 24:10.600]  [SPEAKER_11]: For, uh, for, um, for delegates and...
[24:10.600 --> 24:15.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: What is the point of voting when there are no opposition candidates?
[24:15.440 --> 24:17.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it sounds like something that happens in third world nations.
[24:17.660 --> 24:20.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: But right here in this country, you're voting for people that aren't running against anybody.
[24:20.920 --> 24:21.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's the point?
[24:21.880 --> 24:22.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: There were almost no...
[24:22.160 --> 24:24.620]  [SPEAKER_11]: I felt very strange standing in that voting booth, Emmanuel.
[24:24.800 --> 24:28.160]  [SPEAKER_11]: There were very few candidates running against anyone.
[24:28.260 --> 24:29.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yet, they still had a lever there.
[24:29.700 --> 24:33.320]  [SPEAKER_11]: And I felt, well, like, you can cast your vote as long as it's for this one person.
[24:33.440 --> 24:34.320]  [SPEAKER_11]: And it was just like...
[24:34.320 --> 24:36.780]  [SPEAKER_11]: I thought, wow, this is like the Soviet system where we had...
[24:36.780 --> 24:39.640]  [SPEAKER_11]: They had elections, but you had to vote for just the one person.
[24:40.480 --> 24:44.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: Can you bend the lever back the other way and break it and that way register your discontent?
[24:44.220 --> 24:49.680]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, what I did is, in the cases where there was no opposition, I just didn't pull the lever.
[24:49.900 --> 24:50.200]  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
[24:50.880 --> 24:55.720]  [SPEAKER_11]: Um, but where there was an actual contest, I did cast a vote.
[24:55.820 --> 25:02.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: So I sort of abstained from voting in races where there was no opposition, because there was no point in it.
[25:02.440 --> 25:05.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we really need a category, none of the above.
[25:06.120 --> 25:07.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: I really would like to see that.
[25:07.600 --> 25:16.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I kind of like what the Soviets, or Russians actually did last, or two weeks ago, where Vladimir Putin had to win by 50% or more.
[25:16.780 --> 25:18.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if he didn't, he'd have to face a runoff.
[25:19.280 --> 25:20.460]  [SPEAKER_11]: I always thought...
[25:20.460 --> 25:26.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know if this idea has ever gained any popularity, Emmanuel, but I always thought you should be able to cast a negative vote also.
[25:26.420 --> 25:26.660]  [SPEAKER_04]: Uh-huh.
[25:26.960 --> 25:28.060]  [SPEAKER_11]: Or not also, but...
[25:28.060 --> 25:34.420]  [SPEAKER_11]: But instead of a positive vote for someone, you can cast a negative vote, because that would show in the polls that...
[25:34.420 --> 25:41.280]  [SPEAKER_11]: that, you know, maybe you don't support the opposition, but you definitely don't support this person, and you could...
[25:41.280 --> 25:45.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: I think it would be a very powerful thing to be able to cast a negative vote.
[25:46.760 --> 25:49.100]  [SPEAKER_11]: You know, so you could take somebody else's vote away.
[25:49.480 --> 25:49.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[25:50.080 --> 25:50.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[25:51.980 --> 25:55.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, Bernie, let's quickly wrap up what we did this past weekend.
[25:55.260 --> 25:56.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: We had a bit of fun, didn't we?
[25:57.560 --> 25:58.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: At ICON?
[25:58.380 --> 26:01.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, ICON, the science fiction convention at Stony Brook, New York.
[26:01.640 --> 26:03.080]  [SPEAKER_11]: I thought it was a great conference.
[26:03.180 --> 26:03.420]  [SPEAKER_11]: It was.
[26:03.440 --> 26:04.720]  [SPEAKER_11]: We talked about a lot of interesting topics.
[26:05.000 --> 26:05.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: We certainly did.
[26:05.840 --> 26:10.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: We did about five panels and had a lot of interesting people coming up to us, asking questions.
[26:11.040 --> 26:15.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: A lot of awareness about the whole DVD lawsuit, which I was impressed with, and a lot of support.
[26:15.740 --> 26:18.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's something that will be important in the months ahead.
[26:18.120 --> 26:20.460]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's really been very frustrating.
[26:20.460 --> 26:35.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: I have to tell you, just knowing what it is that we're facing ahead, knowing all the effort that's going to be expended on this, when we know damn well what's right and what's wrong, we have to, you know, take ourselves away from things that I think are far more important.
[26:35.280 --> 26:38.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's taking away our efforts to the conference that's coming up in July.
[26:38.600 --> 26:44.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's taking away our efforts for the film we're trying to finish by the conference, for the magazine, the radio show, everything.
[26:44.280 --> 26:45.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: We have to worry about defending ourselves.
[26:46.180 --> 26:49.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, Microsoft is facing problems too.
[26:49.820 --> 26:56.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're, you know, they may be broken up into many little companies, but this could take years, decades even.
[26:56.880 --> 26:59.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: But nobody is threatening Bill Gates.
[26:59.780 --> 27:02.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: Nobody is going after Bill Gates and saying, yeah, you know, we can take away your house.
[27:02.980 --> 27:04.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: We can do all kinds of horrible things to you.
[27:04.980 --> 27:06.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's not the case here.
[27:06.220 --> 27:08.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's not the individual people are being targeted.
[27:09.020 --> 27:09.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: And why?
[27:10.120 --> 27:10.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, why?
[27:10.920 --> 27:21.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: Why does it become something personal when it involves smaller corporations, such as 2600, but the mega corporations like ExxonMobil, Verizon and Microsoft, they're never touched.
[27:21.700 --> 27:23.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: They can commit all kinds of atrocities.
[27:24.160 --> 27:25.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, they'll get fine.
[27:25.720 --> 27:30.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe they'll get broken up into different companies where they can compete against each other or do God knows what.
[27:30.420 --> 27:34.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: But people are never targeted as individuals.
[27:34.120 --> 27:36.160]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that has not been the case here.
[27:36.260 --> 27:42.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: We have people that are being intimidated, people that are being scared, scared into complying.
[27:42.060 --> 27:43.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's what they count on.
[27:43.440 --> 27:46.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: They count on people being afraid and settling.
[27:46.780 --> 27:49.200]  [SPEAKER_11]: I think you should correct your statement.
[27:49.400 --> 27:54.380]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's people are not individually targeted who have lots of money.
[27:54.380 --> 27:55.540]  [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[27:56.660 --> 27:58.580]  [SPEAKER_11]: Bill Gates, for instance, was not targeted.
[27:58.760 --> 28:01.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: You know, I heard the federal...
[28:02.460 --> 28:04.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: I don't know if it was the US...
[28:04.660 --> 28:12.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: I guess it wasn't the US Attorney's Office, some from the Justice Department was saying how all these consumers were victimized by Microsoft and so forth.
[28:12.880 --> 28:20.280]  [SPEAKER_11]: And, you know, there are cases such as mine and plenty of others where there were...
[28:20.280 --> 28:29.960]  [SPEAKER_11]: It was documented by the federal government there were no victims in the offense or the case, yet people went to jail for long periods of time.
[28:31.980 --> 28:48.760]  [SPEAKER_11]: So, as I heard the results of this announcement by the Justice Department yesterday, I thought, well, isn't this very interesting that big companies like Microsoft and very wealthy people like Bill Gates are being accused by the federal government of victimizing,
[28:48.760 --> 29:01.680]  [SPEAKER_11]: you know, millions of people, which you may or may not agree with, but the fact the government stated this and yet refused to do anything to the alleged victimizers, who happen to have a lot of money...
[29:01.680 --> 29:02.680]  [SPEAKER_11]: Or even consider them.
[29:02.680 --> 29:03.000]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's very telling to me.
[29:03.120 --> 29:05.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: Or even consider them to be victimizers.
[29:05.240 --> 29:05.680]  [SPEAKER_11]: Exactly.
[29:05.920 --> 29:17.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: Because in our case, it's always been not only 2,600 being targeted, but people like me, people who run ISPs, individual people are being targeted.
[29:17.400 --> 29:18.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: And what does that lead to?
[29:18.760 --> 29:23.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: At least to people being intimidated, realizing that they could lose everything just to make a stand.
[29:23.900 --> 29:26.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, how many people will go that far?
[29:26.540 --> 29:35.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: How many people are going to stand up until every last cent is taken from them, every possession, maybe thrown in jail as well, just to stand up for freedom?
[29:36.100 --> 29:37.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's a difficult choice.
[29:37.740 --> 29:39.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: And I understand why people back down.
[29:39.960 --> 29:42.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't hold them responsible for that at all.
[29:43.000 --> 29:43.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's the system.
[29:44.060 --> 29:45.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: The system is not there.
[29:45.340 --> 29:51.260]  [SPEAKER_11]: If you don't have the resources for an effective defense, then you have to fold.
[29:52.040 --> 29:52.520]  [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[29:52.960 --> 29:54.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: Fortunately, we got a damn good defense.
[29:54.820 --> 29:56.020]  [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, we are very fortunate.
[29:56.020 --> 29:57.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're not going to fold.
[29:57.120 --> 29:58.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we're not going to back down.
[29:58.520 --> 30:00.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: But it could be costly.
[30:00.940 --> 30:02.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: It could be costly in many ways.
[30:02.200 --> 30:05.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's why we hope that people out there stick with us.
[30:05.500 --> 30:06.980]  [SPEAKER_05]: And stick with the whole case.
[30:07.520 --> 30:15.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: Just last week it was announced that there's now going to be a legal Linux DVD player called, I believe, LinDVD.
[30:15.780 --> 30:17.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, okay, that's lovely.
[30:17.840 --> 30:19.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: But that doesn't change anything.
[30:19.600 --> 30:20.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: That really doesn't change anything.
[30:21.320 --> 30:25.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's not going to be completely open-source, which I know is something that bothers a lot of people.
[30:25.460 --> 30:28.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: But more importantly, what about the next operating system?
[30:28.260 --> 30:34.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: What about the next operating system that comes along and doesn't have the right to have a DVD player on their particular OS?
[30:34.460 --> 30:38.500]  [SPEAKER_11]: There are all kinds of platforms out there, Emmanuel, besides the Linux operating system.
[30:38.780 --> 30:41.380]  [SPEAKER_11]: They still do not support playback of DVDs.
[30:41.520 --> 30:44.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think you're in a wind tunnel, so I'll wait for you to get out of there.
[30:44.280 --> 30:45.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, you're absolutely right.
[30:45.060 --> 30:48.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's all kinds of different operating systems.
[30:48.860 --> 31:05.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: And even if there weren't different operating systems, the whole point that they're seeking to control the access so thoroughly to the technology, where they're saying where you can play this, how you can play it, when you can play it, all kinds of doors that we're opening here if we permit this to go through.
[31:05.920 --> 31:07.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a frightening prospect.
[31:08.000 --> 31:19.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: And you have to ask yourself, well, would you rather cave in and live in a world where that becomes law or stand up till the end and maybe lose, but at least know that you stood up for the right thing?
[31:19.740 --> 31:21.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I know what my answer is.
[31:21.260 --> 31:27.240]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, a lot of people, I think, aren't seeing the fact or aren't recognizing that this is just a foot in the door.
[31:28.880 --> 31:46.440]  [SPEAKER_11]: Once these purveyors of access-controlled intellectual property succeed in a case like this, all other forms of digitized or digital intellectual property will be controlled even more so.
[31:47.340 --> 31:51.080]  [SPEAKER_11]: So this is, you know, people may say, well, I don't have a DVD player if this doesn't affect me.
[31:51.160 --> 31:57.080]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, say to people, virtually every piece of intellectual property you consume in the very future will be digital.
[31:57.540 --> 32:18.240]  [SPEAKER_11]: And do you really want to be threatened with jail or enormous fines for simply being able to exercise what has been your right under the fair use doctrine to consume that intellectual property in any way you see fit?
[32:18.780 --> 32:30.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: Aside from obvious copyright violations, like giving copies to other people necessarily or charging people to consume the intellectual property you've already paid for, we're not talking about that.
[32:31.040 --> 32:43.320]  [SPEAKER_11]: So this is really going to be so sweeping and broad, the effects of this decision, that people should really get behind it, because there's not a person listening to this program, but this is not going to affect down the road.
[32:43.840 --> 32:44.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[32:44.440 --> 32:44.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[32:44.880 --> 32:51.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if you're part of the Linux community, I really hope that you see through what has happened with the Lin DVD announcement.
[32:52.060 --> 32:58.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, yeah, okay, it's great that there will be something to allow you to play DVDs on a Linux system.
[32:58.680 --> 33:02.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure exactly how good the product is, but it's a step.
[33:02.840 --> 33:08.580]  [SPEAKER_05]: But the bigger question has not yet been addressed, and that's where we need the support of the entire open-source community.
[33:08.600 --> 33:10.680]  [SPEAKER_11]: I don't think this announcement is that significant, really.
[33:10.760 --> 33:12.580]  [SPEAKER_11]: I don't think it really has much to do with this case.
[33:13.300 --> 33:13.900]  [SPEAKER_09]: I agree.
[33:13.980 --> 33:14.340]  [SPEAKER_09]: I agree.
[33:14.480 --> 33:15.120]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's a blip.
[33:15.480 --> 33:16.020]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, okay.
[33:16.020 --> 33:34.600]  [SPEAKER_11]: So, somebody came out with a licensed Linux DVD software player, but that doesn't address the real issue, which is, you know, the access control schemes or, you know, that deny people their pre-existing rights to fair use of intellectual property, which has been traditional for years,
[33:34.620 --> 33:36.800]  [SPEAKER_11]: and that's being criminalized now.
[33:37.580 --> 33:38.060]  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[33:38.300 --> 33:39.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a scary thing.
[33:39.840 --> 33:42.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we have to not lose sight of that throughout the whole thing.
[33:43.940 --> 33:46.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: As months go by, you get worn down.
[33:46.680 --> 33:47.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: You lose enthusiasm.
[33:47.740 --> 33:49.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: You say, oh, I don't want to do this anymore.
[33:50.220 --> 33:52.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's why we need people.
[33:52.500 --> 33:59.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: We need lots and lots of people to be showing their support, however they can, whether it's putting up stickers.
[33:59.380 --> 34:01.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: We just came out with the new Stop the MPAA stickers.
[34:01.720 --> 34:06.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: They're going to be available on our Internet store really soon, probably tomorrow.
[34:06.460 --> 34:10.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: We have a new MPAA shirt that also will be put on the store tomorrow.
[34:11.560 --> 34:16.920]  [SPEAKER_05]: We have a new issue, which has a pretty interesting cover, which I think the MPAA is going to really like.
[34:17.160 --> 34:17.740]  [SPEAKER_04]: Great cover.
[34:17.880 --> 34:18.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[34:18.360 --> 34:22.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: And all kinds of other things that are happening, all kinds of other things that are moving.
[34:22.860 --> 34:24.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: But we have other projects.
[34:24.400 --> 34:28.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: We have the conference, which is scheduled for July, H2K, which we hope a lot of you show up at.
[34:28.940 --> 34:33.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're going to have a lot of DVD panels there and really be addressing this with some experts.
[34:34.740 --> 34:41.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: But having to deal with lawsuits, it takes away time from other things, which is already overextending our efforts.
[34:41.540 --> 34:44.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: So we need more people to come in and help us with those.
[34:44.980 --> 34:48.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: Please go to h2k.net for information on that.
[34:50.060 --> 34:58.980]  [SPEAKER_11]: Aside from the obvious things like putting a Stop the MPAA bumper sticker on your vehicle or telling other people about this to educate them.
[35:00.120 --> 35:01.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's just kind of a weird situation.
[35:02.940 --> 35:15.920]  [SPEAKER_11]: I wonder if it would benefit our side of this case to write legislators, since it has already been decided by Congress that this law has been set in stone.
[35:16.460 --> 35:20.380]  [SPEAKER_11]: It will get to the Supreme Court eventually, but I feel it will.
[35:21.660 --> 35:22.720]  [SPEAKER_11]: Who can we write?
[35:22.900 --> 35:26.100]  [SPEAKER_11]: What people in power can we write to try to change their minds, Emmanuel?
[35:26.540 --> 35:33.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I suggest going to the site opendvd.org, and that's kind of our clearinghouse of information.
[35:33.180 --> 35:39.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: That gives you information on the facts, what you should put in a letter, who you should contact, because it does change.
[35:39.760 --> 35:41.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: It changes quite frequently, in fact.
[35:42.360 --> 35:45.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, write to your local congressman, write to whoever it is that represents you.
[35:46.000 --> 35:47.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: Make sure they understand the facts.
[35:47.640 --> 35:53.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if you're in a position where you actually get to talk to some of these people, by all means, explain the situation to them.
[35:53.880 --> 35:57.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if you're not clear as to what exactly that means, go to the opendvd.org site.
[35:57.880 --> 35:59.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: Read the FAQ there.
[36:00.100 --> 36:07.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: Understand how everything works and how to explain it in layman's terms, because that's really the people that we have to reach.
[36:07.800 --> 36:24.900]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, the other egregious law that's coming down the pike that's being enacted at the state level that is as egregious as the Digital Millennium Copyright Act is this UCITA, U-C-I-T-A, which is, as our listeners are probably aware, is an amendment to the Uniform Commercial Code,
[36:25.160 --> 36:33.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: which also criminalizes fair use of intellectual property at the state level.
[36:33.180 --> 36:44.180]  [SPEAKER_11]: So I urge everyone listening to write their state legislators, their state senators and representatives, to not enact this UCITA law.
[36:44.180 --> 36:46.200]  [SPEAKER_11]: I think it was just passed in Virginia.
[36:46.280 --> 36:48.080]  [SPEAKER_11]: It has to go through every state.
[36:48.280 --> 36:56.960]  [SPEAKER_11]: So everybody, please try to stop this law from being enacted, because once it's in every state, it'll be the law of the land, basically.
[36:57.900 --> 36:58.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[36:59.420 --> 37:02.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: Again, the more people that step on board, the better.
[37:02.260 --> 37:15.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: Also, another group of people are those of you that are already in the business, as it were, in the Hollywood scene, makers of films, people who the MPAA allegedly is protecting.
[37:15.880 --> 37:23.040]  [SPEAKER_05]: If you understand what this case is about and you've come to the same conclusions that we are, that that's not what it's about at all, we need you to speak up.
[37:23.320 --> 37:26.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: We need you to take a stand and say, yeah, I'm Steven Spielberg.
[37:26.740 --> 37:29.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: I make some films and I, you know, I believe this is wrong.
[37:30.060 --> 37:31.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: Do you have enough guts to do that?
[37:31.560 --> 37:33.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I'm personally calling on Steven Spielberg.
[37:33.900 --> 37:35.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I just picked you at a random, you know.
[37:36.060 --> 37:36.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: Say something.
[37:36.980 --> 37:37.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: Speak up.
[37:37.700 --> 37:42.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, he's probably going to speak out against us, but regardless, you know, I try it.
[37:42.220 --> 37:46.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure there's somebody out there that's well-connected, that is willing to put their name on it.
[37:46.620 --> 37:55.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: And the more people that do that, the stronger our case becomes when people realize, hey, this guy wouldn't say something that was, you know, completely wrong and uninformed.
[37:55.860 --> 37:56.900]  [SPEAKER_05]: Obviously, he's thought about it.
[37:57.020 --> 37:58.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'll look into this some more.
[37:58.380 --> 38:01.780]  [SPEAKER_05]: The more people we have that will do that, the stronger our case will be.
[38:01.900 --> 38:07.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: Again, if you're part of an organization, take a stand on this one way or another.
[38:07.520 --> 38:09.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: It will affect you sooner or later.
[38:10.160 --> 38:14.100]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if it affects you sooner, it'll be under, you know, your rules.
[38:14.240 --> 38:16.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: You'll be the one bringing yourself into it.
[38:16.840 --> 38:19.240]  [SPEAKER_05]: Later, you'll be brought into it, whether you want to be or not.
[38:20.400 --> 38:27.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: We have a couple of bits of news, which I think we should go over and then we'll take some phone calls, 212-209-2900.
[38:29.180 --> 38:41.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: Some of you may know that, with regards to the DVD case, I guess, Sony recently, by accident, released their PlayStation 2.
[38:41.380 --> 38:48.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they didn't do that by accident, but apparently the accident was that the PlayStation 2 was able to play DVDs from all over the place.
[38:48.220 --> 38:49.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's not right, Bernie.
[38:49.800 --> 38:50.500]  [SPEAKER_11]: I heard that.
[38:50.600 --> 38:54.340]  [SPEAKER_11]: What I didn't find out is whether they would play DVDs in...
[38:54.340 --> 38:56.580]  [SPEAKER_11]: Do they use the NTSC in Japan, Emmanuel?
[38:56.760 --> 38:56.880]  [SPEAKER_11]: Do you know?
[38:56.980 --> 38:57.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, they do.
[38:57.760 --> 38:59.480]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, that would be the machine to have.
[38:59.620 --> 39:00.560]  [SPEAKER_11]: I want to get one of those machines.
[39:01.420 --> 39:03.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, what's happening is that there's now a recall.
[39:04.260 --> 39:08.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sony has recalled 1.25 million PlayStation 2 utility discs.
[39:09.700 --> 39:16.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: They will recall the utility discs and drivers for the units that they've shipped in Japan to date.
[39:16.760 --> 39:21.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a costly attempt to fix a bug that allows the consoles to play foreign DVDs.
[39:21.220 --> 39:29.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: And due to an international agreement signed by DVD player manufacturers and film companies, it is illegal in Japan to play back the content of DVDs sold overseas.
[39:30.080 --> 39:44.500]  [SPEAKER_05]: In light of the serious bug in current PlayStation 2 consoles, SCEI has had to ask owners to return the relevant software by mail by April 1st and following that through 7-Eleven convenience stores nationwide.
[39:45.180 --> 39:51.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: A presumably downcast SCEI official said production of replacement software and its mailing will cost us substantially.
[39:52.260 --> 39:57.640]  [SPEAKER_05]: PlayStation 2 consoles will now ship with software that does not support the playing of foreign DVDs.
[39:57.660 --> 39:59.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: So you see what they have to go through to inform...
[39:59.880 --> 40:00.560]  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this is Sony.
[40:00.680 --> 40:02.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sony is one of the companies suing us, for God's sake.
[40:02.680 --> 40:04.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: And they violated it.
[40:04.300 --> 40:05.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's how ridiculous it is.
[40:05.980 --> 40:09.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it's funny that they didn't get sued because they would have had to have sued themselves.
[40:10.020 --> 40:14.860]  [SPEAKER_11]: I wonder if this would almost be worth a trip to Japan to try to seek out and obtain one of these things.
[40:15.000 --> 40:18.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm sure it would be locked up for espionage or something if we even tried that.
[40:18.320 --> 40:20.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: Probably conspiracy just for talking about it.
[40:21.080 --> 40:22.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, the whole thing...
[40:23.300 --> 40:27.600]  [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't understand from the story manual whether it was utility disks that enabled...
[40:27.600 --> 40:34.240]  [SPEAKER_11]: Are they going to actually recall just the utility disks or the actual PlayStation 2s?
[40:34.700 --> 40:42.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: It looked like they were recalling the utility disks, which would indicate that that's what was enabling that.
[40:42.740 --> 40:50.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, if that's the case and you simply have to copy the files on that disk and, you know, it doesn't matter how many times they recall it, it's always going to be out there.
[40:51.140 --> 40:51.560]  [SPEAKER_11]: Uh-huh.
[40:51.680 --> 40:52.220]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, that's good.
[40:52.320 --> 40:52.900]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's good news.
[40:52.980 --> 41:00.840]  [SPEAKER_11]: If the information is out there and I'm sure some enlightened person might make this information available to other PlayStation 2 owners as they increase.
[41:00.840 --> 41:13.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, the next thing that we're going to be hit with, of course, is in this whole courtroom battle, I'm sure they're going to be going after us trying to get us to take down the links to other sites that have DECSS still up.
[41:14.400 --> 41:23.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, if they do that, that's a real risk to freedom of speech because all of a sudden they're saying, not only can you not have this on your site, but you can point to other people that have it on their sites.
[41:24.600 --> 41:34.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: As we've said in the past, if they do that, then what we will do in exchange is, you know, if in federal court we are ordered to do this or face imprisonment, we'll take down the links.
[41:35.060 --> 41:36.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: We'll keep up the list.
[41:36.180 --> 41:37.260]  [SPEAKER_05]: The list of names.
[41:37.460 --> 41:41.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: They'll have to tell us to take down a list then and not have a listing of names.
[41:42.080 --> 41:49.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: And then after that, if we were told to take that down, then we'll simply incorporate it into a paragraph of conversation.
[41:49.320 --> 41:52.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: And then we'll have to be told to stop talking about it.
[41:52.340 --> 42:00.620]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah, we're prepared to take this all the way to repealing the First Amendment if necessary, but we're not going to back down on this very important fundamental.
[42:00.940 --> 42:11.440]  [SPEAKER_05]: What we need people to do is get as many links up as possible so that if we do go down one way or another, if we are taken out of the picture, there will be other people that will take up the cause.
[42:11.840 --> 42:15.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: That sounds kind of crazy, but that's the way we have to think of things.
[42:15.400 --> 42:15.700]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, Bernie.
[42:15.980 --> 42:26.980]  [SPEAKER_11]: With each successive challenge to this, if we then are forced to put up lists of links as opposed to the actual links, and then just embed it into more obvious speech.
[42:27.360 --> 42:33.040]  [SPEAKER_11]: With each successive challenge, this obviously becomes more and more obviously a restriction on free speech.
[42:33.200 --> 42:40.940]  [SPEAKER_11]: It becomes clearly... if it's not clear to everybody now that this is a First Amendment issue, it will as these challenges increase.
[42:41.840 --> 42:42.400]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[42:43.580 --> 42:47.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: And someone buy me a new house if they take my house away, because that's what they're saying they're going to do.
[42:48.860 --> 42:49.220]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[42:50.040 --> 42:51.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: We can all pitch together, I think.
[42:52.760 --> 42:57.380]  [SPEAKER_05]: Here's an interesting story that we got sent about 15 million times from the...
[42:57.380 --> 42:59.660]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bernie, I know you're an avid reader of the Weekly World News.
[43:01.200 --> 43:02.520]  [SPEAKER_11]: The Weekly World News...
[43:02.520 --> 43:04.700]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's the one that has the aliens on the front cover sometimes?
[43:04.820 --> 43:05.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, usually, yeah.
[43:05.700 --> 43:07.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's either that or like, you know, Debbie Reynolds or something.
[43:07.820 --> 43:10.080]  [SPEAKER_11]: Like Al Gore is an alien sort of thing?
[43:10.300 --> 43:10.420]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[43:10.420 --> 43:12.500]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah, I think I've seen that occasionally at the supermarket.
[43:12.860 --> 43:16.340]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, there's an interesting story in this week's, I believe.
[43:16.600 --> 43:19.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: And some of you might want to run out to the supermarket and pick up a copy.
[43:20.300 --> 43:21.840]  [SPEAKER_05]: This actually was on the net.
[43:21.840 --> 43:25.140]  [SPEAKER_05]: I assume they printed in their real version as well.
[43:25.460 --> 43:28.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hackers can turn your home computer into a bomb.
[43:29.080 --> 43:29.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh!
[43:29.580 --> 43:31.860]  [SPEAKER_05]: And blow your family to smithereens.
[43:32.220 --> 43:32.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[43:32.940 --> 43:35.360]  [SPEAKER_05]: Now, listen carefully, folks, because this is an important story.
[43:35.360 --> 43:38.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is the kind of thing that Americans need to pay attention to.
[43:39.400 --> 43:40.320]  [SPEAKER_05]: Dated Washington.
[43:40.540 --> 43:49.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: Right now, computer hackers have the ability to turn your home computer into a bomb and blow you to kingdom come, and they can do it anonymously from thousands of miles away.
[43:50.180 --> 43:58.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: Experts say the recent break-ins that paralyzed the Amazon.com, Buy.com, and eBay websites are tame compared to what will happen in the near future.
[43:58.720 --> 44:13.820]  [SPEAKER_05]: Computer expert Arnold Yavinson, president of the Washington-based Consumer Group National Cybercrime Prevention Foundation, N-C-P-F, say that three times fast, says that as far as computer crime is concerned, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg.
[44:14.060 --> 44:20.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: The criminals who knocked out those three major online businesses are the least of our worries, Yavinson told Weekly World News.
[44:21.420 --> 44:27.800]  [SPEAKER_05]: There are brilliant but unscrupulous hackers out there who have developed technologies that the average person can't even dream of.
[44:28.040 --> 44:33.540]  [SPEAKER_05]: Even people who are familiar with how computers work have trouble getting their minds around the terrible things that can be done.
[44:33.720 --> 44:39.740]  [SPEAKER_05]: It is already possible for an assassin to send someone an email with an innocent-looking attachment that's connected to it.
[44:39.860 --> 44:49.480]  [SPEAKER_05]: When the receiver downloads the attachment, the electrical current and molecular structure of the central processing unit is altered, causing it to blast apart like a large hand grenade.
[44:49.940 --> 44:52.880]  [SPEAKER_05]: As shocking as this is, it shouldn't surprise anyone.
[44:53.140 --> 44:58.940]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's just the next step in an ever-escalating progression of horrors conceived and instituted by hackers.
[44:59.320 --> 45:00.280]  [SPEAKER_05]: Who is this guy?
[45:00.420 --> 45:01.600]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I intend to look him up.
[45:01.700 --> 45:04.720]  [SPEAKER_05]: The National Cybercrime Prevention Foundation.
[45:06.000 --> 45:07.040]  [SPEAKER_05]: This guy's a moron!
[45:07.140 --> 45:08.000]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, let's get on...
[45:08.000 --> 45:10.120]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think he even exists, but let's get on the blower here.
[45:10.440 --> 45:11.020]  [SPEAKER_05]: Dial to him, please.
[45:11.940 --> 45:12.300]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[45:12.620 --> 45:14.680]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to call information.
[45:14.960 --> 45:15.180]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wait.
[45:15.240 --> 45:16.080]  [SPEAKER_05]: Can we call information?
[45:16.220 --> 45:16.760]  [SPEAKER_05]: Or is that blocked?
[45:16.760 --> 45:19.960]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to see if we can actually get through.
[45:22.440 --> 45:24.200]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to see if that place exists.
[45:27.630 --> 45:28.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not getting anything.
[45:29.190 --> 45:30.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sounding like I'm in a tunnel, though.
[45:33.830 --> 45:41.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I think the geniuses and management have decided that we cannot call information, so there's no way we can find out if this exists.
[45:41.230 --> 45:43.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: But maybe somebody out there can look it up for us.
[45:43.830 --> 45:52.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Somebody on an unrestricted phone line can call up and see if there is such a thing as the National Cybercrime Prevention Foundation, NCPF.
[45:53.450 --> 45:55.470]  [SPEAKER_11]: You should get this guy on the phone next show.
[45:55.550 --> 45:56.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I intend to.
[45:56.290 --> 45:58.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: I intend to track him down, one way or another.
[45:58.210 --> 45:59.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: There's more to the story.
[45:59.970 --> 46:17.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yavinson points out that these dangerous sociopaths have already vandalized FBI and US Army websites, broken into Chinese military networks, come within two digits of cracking an 87-digit Russian security code that would have sent deadly missiles hurtling toward five of America's major cities.
[46:17.270 --> 46:21.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, just like in war games, where they were basically getting one digit at a time.
[46:21.830 --> 46:22.270]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[46:22.590 --> 46:26.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: As dangerous as this technology is right now, it's going to get much scarier, Yavinson said.
[46:27.250 --> 46:28.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: Not before it gets a whole lot funnier.
[46:29.350 --> 46:33.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: Soon it will be sold to terrorist cults and fanatical religious fringe groups.
[46:33.790 --> 46:41.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: Instead of blowing up a single plane, these groups will be able to patch into the central computer of a large airline and blow up hundreds of planes at once.
[46:41.490 --> 46:46.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: And worse, this email bomb program will eventually find its way into the hands of anyone who wants it.
[46:46.990 --> 46:54.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: That means anyone who has a quarrel with you, holds a grudge against you, or just plain doesn't like your looks can kill you and never be found out.
[46:55.450 --> 46:59.170]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, this sounds like something a federal government would do, but not hackers.
[46:59.450 --> 47:01.030]  [SPEAKER_11]: But anyhow, we've got to get this guy on the phone.
[47:01.270 --> 47:01.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, definitely.
[47:02.270 --> 47:09.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if anybody has that email bomb program, please send it out to us because we'd like to look at it.
[47:11.370 --> 47:23.330]  [SPEAKER_11]: I hope the federal government law enforcement agencies, like the Secret Service and the BATF, don't start using this Weekly World News article as probable cause to start raiding people's computers in search of the bomb program.
[47:23.570 --> 47:23.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: Why?
[47:23.750 --> 47:26.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: You think it'll make things worse than what they've been reading up until now?
[47:27.130 --> 47:31.230]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, I've heard these agents say equally ludicrous things under oath.
[47:31.950 --> 47:33.050]  [SPEAKER_11]: But, you know...
[47:33.050 --> 47:34.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it makes any difference.
[47:34.270 --> 47:34.490]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's at their job.
[47:34.830 --> 47:34.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[47:35.190 --> 47:37.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right, 212-209-2900.
[47:37.230 --> 47:39.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's take some phone calls, see who's out there.
[47:39.510 --> 47:39.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.
[47:40.050 --> 47:41.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're on Off The Hook.
[47:41.390 --> 47:42.110]  [SPEAKER_06]: Hey, Emmanuel.
[47:42.230 --> 47:42.870]  [SPEAKER_06]: Tommy Pickles.
[47:43.110 --> 47:43.390]  [SPEAKER_06]: How you doing?
[47:43.810 --> 47:44.470]  [SPEAKER_06]: Pretty good.
[47:44.610 --> 47:46.110]  [SPEAKER_06]: Just got back from Atlanta this weekend.
[47:46.310 --> 47:47.390]  [SPEAKER_06]: AtlantaCon was pretty good.
[47:47.550 --> 47:48.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's good to know.
[47:48.810 --> 47:49.450]  [SPEAKER_06]: Excuse me?
[47:49.530 --> 47:50.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's good to know.
[47:50.410 --> 47:54.170]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, a couple of CDC people were down there.
[47:54.290 --> 47:54.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[47:54.550 --> 47:55.850]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh-huh.
[47:55.850 --> 47:56.790]  [SPEAKER_06]: Sir Distic was down there.
[47:57.030 --> 47:57.050]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh-huh.
[47:57.050 --> 47:58.570]  [SPEAKER_06]: He did a little thing on Windows Exploits.
[47:58.730 --> 48:13.330]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, uh, Optics, uh, big props up to him for working on a program now called Cat Scanner, which is, uh, basically an N, you know, that program like Nmap that will map out exploits or little holes.
[48:13.550 --> 48:13.790]  [SPEAKER_04]: Cool.
[48:14.070 --> 48:20.210]  [SPEAKER_06]: So, and then, uh, big ups to Rhiann and Johnny X, who tried to make the con better and better.
[48:20.670 --> 48:24.130]  [SPEAKER_06]: But it was good, you know, and, uh, of course, Moloch made a good show down there.
[48:24.550 --> 48:26.090]  [SPEAKER_06]: So, uh, we can't wait till hope.
[48:26.630 --> 48:32.750]  [SPEAKER_06]: And hopefully, uh, this weekend at the 2600 meeting, so we'll bring down those cool new shirts that you advertise in this month's...
[48:32.750 --> 48:35.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, actually, that's not, that's not gonna happen because they're not done printing yet.
[48:35.790 --> 48:36.430]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, darn.
[48:36.550 --> 48:36.730]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[48:36.870 --> 48:38.370]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, maybe the stickers will be there at the meeting.
[48:38.370 --> 48:39.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: The stickers will definitely be there.
[48:39.930 --> 48:40.370]  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[48:40.530 --> 48:45.130]  [SPEAKER_06]: And then, Moloch will help, uh, raising money for the MPAA that you're struggling through.
[48:45.450 --> 48:45.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[48:46.170 --> 48:47.410]  [SPEAKER_06]: So, it'll be pretty good.
[48:47.610 --> 48:51.710]  [SPEAKER_06]: And since it's late in the show, we're gonna free up this line right now so that you can answer other calls.
[48:51.810 --> 48:52.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[48:52.190 --> 48:52.650]  [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks for calling.
[48:52.650 --> 48:52.770]  [SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[48:52.950 --> 48:53.510]  [SPEAKER_06]: Have a good time.
[48:53.630 --> 48:53.790]  [SPEAKER_06]: Bye.
[48:53.830 --> 48:54.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: See you on Friday.
[48:54.390 --> 48:59.090]  [SPEAKER_05]: And of course, yes, Friday is the, uh, the, uh, international 2600 meetings around the world.
[48:59.370 --> 49:02.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: First Friday of the month from, uh, 5 to 8 PM or thereabouts.
[49:03.410 --> 49:07.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, yes, uh, the New York meeting will certainly have some stickers, uh, to pass around.
[49:07.770 --> 49:08.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: The new issue is out.
[49:09.090 --> 49:11.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, uh, wherever you are, you should be able to find it in bookstores.
[49:11.750 --> 49:14.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if you're a subscriber, you should be getting it in the next day or so.
[49:15.390 --> 49:18.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, yeah, it's, uh, it's an interesting time.
[49:18.710 --> 49:32.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: We're gonna be planning for H2K at the, uh, I know we'll be having some people talking at the New York meeting and I think we have some other meetings scheduled throughout the month of April for various people involved in, uh, in the H2K network and security and all kinds of other things.
[49:32.950 --> 49:36.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: If you want to get involved, go to, uh, www.h2k.net.
[49:37.070 --> 49:38.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we have a lot of information there.
[49:38.930 --> 49:43.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: Again, the conference takes place July 14th through 16th at the Hotel Pennsylvania in New York.
[49:44.110 --> 49:48.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: We have, uh, advanced registration online and through the mail.
[49:48.330 --> 49:49.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, of course, we'll have registration there.
[49:50.090 --> 49:51.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Assuming we don't run out of space.
[49:51.390 --> 49:54.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: Looks like there's gonna be more people here than, uh, at the last two combined.
[49:54.810 --> 49:56.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: But we'll just have to make do.
[49:56.970 --> 49:57.730]  [SPEAKER_11]: Thousands of people.
[49:57.950 --> 49:58.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: Thousands.
[49:58.410 --> 49:58.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hundreds of thousands.
[49:59.090 --> 49:59.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: Who knows?
[49:59.570 --> 50:00.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, fortunately, we have a big city.
[50:01.410 --> 50:02.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right, let's take another phone call.
[50:02.570 --> 50:03.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's go over here.
[50:03.950 --> 50:04.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.
[50:04.430 --> 50:04.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're on the air.
[50:06.230 --> 50:06.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: Hey, y'all.
[50:07.050 --> 50:07.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: How you doing?
[50:08.070 --> 50:08.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: Pretty good.
[50:09.270 --> 50:12.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: Um, have, have you heard anything about the eye-opener?
[50:13.050 --> 50:13.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: The eye-opener?
[50:13.630 --> 50:14.690]  [SPEAKER_12]: By NetAppliance.
[50:15.430 --> 50:16.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, why don't you tell us about that?
[50:16.750 --> 50:18.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's like something in the clock, a clockwork orange.
[50:18.770 --> 50:19.230]  [SPEAKER_12]: The eye-opener.
[50:19.490 --> 50:19.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sure does.
[50:20.470 --> 50:23.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, that's what a lot of people's response to me was.
[50:23.890 --> 50:32.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: But it's a, uh, it's a little, um, net-only computer that they've been selling at, uh, uh, Circuit City and over the Internet.
[50:32.550 --> 50:33.590]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, I've seen this thing.
[50:33.730 --> 50:38.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's, again, it's sort of a, uh, a very thin client type of machine for residential people.
[50:38.930 --> 50:39.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: Exactly.
[50:40.150 --> 50:47.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's, uh, and, and some, uh, some guy figured out how to turn it into a computer for under two hundred dollars.
[50:47.990 --> 50:48.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: Wow.
[50:48.710 --> 50:49.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: How do you do that?
[50:49.750 --> 50:55.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: Um, all you have to do is add a hard drive and, uh, you know, flip around some IDE cables.
[50:56.510 --> 51:02.430]  [SPEAKER_11]: Do you have to use the, uh, uh, a pre, uh, a pre-dictated, uh, ISP for this thing?
[51:02.770 --> 51:05.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: Um, when, when you don't convert it, yeah.
[51:06.510 --> 51:08.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: And it costs about thirty bucks a month.
[51:09.930 --> 51:12.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, this sounds like a great hacking opportunity.
[51:12.210 --> 51:12.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sure does.
[51:12.650 --> 51:20.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, the, um, there's an address that shows you how to do it and sells the parts to, to do it.
[51:20.570 --> 51:24.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's linux-hackers.net.
[51:25.510 --> 51:32.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: And, uh, it's, it's a, it's a pretty, uh, fun project for all you guys out there who like to do this kind of stuff.
[51:33.170 --> 51:39.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: It, it can accept, uh, Linux and, you know, BOS and even Windows 98.
[51:40.970 --> 51:41.450]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[51:41.450 --> 51:45.350]  [SPEAKER_11]: Is there any, uh, any kind of contract you have to sign when you buy one of these eye-opener machines?
[51:45.710 --> 51:51.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: Um, I, I heard that now you have to sign up for one month of service.
[51:51.810 --> 51:52.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, okay.
[51:52.370 --> 51:55.910]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, I mean, you don't have to sign up for something like three years or something ridiculous like that.
[51:56.070 --> 51:57.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, nothing like that.
[51:57.410 --> 51:57.750]  [SPEAKER_11]: Wow.
[51:58.190 --> 52:01.450]  [SPEAKER_11]: Well, I'm gonna go out and buy one of these if this turns out to be a real hack.
[52:01.450 --> 52:07.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, it's, it's been all over the news for the past couple weeks and it's just died down.
[52:07.370 --> 52:12.770]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I hope somebody writes an article for the next issue so, uh, we can go into some more details that maybe they don't go to in the news.
[52:13.550 --> 52:13.910]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[52:14.390 --> 52:14.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[52:14.850 --> 52:16.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: What, uh, do you know what kind of processor this thing uses?
[52:16.630 --> 52:22.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: It uses, uh, a 180 WIN chip that's, uh, clocked to about 200.
[52:23.550 --> 52:24.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: A what chip?
[52:24.630 --> 52:25.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: A WIN chip.
[52:25.810 --> 52:26.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: W-I-N.
[52:27.370 --> 52:27.870]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[52:28.210 --> 52:30.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's some generic thing.
[52:30.430 --> 52:33.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: I read that it's about $400 worth of components.
[52:34.570 --> 52:38.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I mean, certainly a flat screen alone is gonna be worth a couple hundred dollars easily.
[52:39.550 --> 52:45.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: And they're, they, they want to get their money back through, you know, being a standalone ISP, you know?
[52:45.570 --> 52:45.870]  [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.
[52:46.630 --> 52:47.390]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's a zero contract.
[52:47.590 --> 52:51.790]  [SPEAKER_11]: It seems like they would want to sign you up for three years just to subsidize the cost of the machine.
[52:51.950 --> 52:59.130]  [SPEAKER_11]: But if not, then if they just think that you have to use it and there'd be no other way to use it, um, by buying this machine, then I guess they didn't mandate the contract.
[52:59.350 --> 53:02.230]  [SPEAKER_11]: So, get them before they start making it a mandatory contract.
[53:02.550 --> 53:04.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and people start going to jail for doing this.
[53:04.250 --> 53:04.430]  [SPEAKER_11]: Mm-hmm.
[53:04.710 --> 53:04.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[53:05.070 --> 53:05.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, thanks for the call.
[53:06.010 --> 53:06.430]  [SPEAKER_11]: Thank you.
[53:06.630 --> 53:06.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[53:07.490 --> 53:09.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's, that's the kind of thing I like, you know.
[53:09.730 --> 53:10.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: Innovativeness.
[53:10.410 --> 53:12.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: Figuring out how to use technology in different ways.
[53:13.430 --> 53:17.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: But, of course, uh, people always get in trouble when they use their brains.
[53:18.370 --> 53:18.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[53:18.930 --> 53:20.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: 212-209-2900.
[53:20.870 --> 53:21.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's, uh, let's go over here.
[53:22.190 --> 53:22.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.
[53:22.650 --> 53:23.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're on the air.
[53:23.070 --> 53:23.890]  [SPEAKER_07]: Hello.
[53:24.370 --> 53:26.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: Um, I just want to notify your listeners.
[53:26.670 --> 53:29.710]  [SPEAKER_07]: Actually, Bernie has talked about this a little while, about another grievous law.
[53:29.950 --> 53:35.370]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's called CDA-2, or COPPA, Child Online Protection Act.
[53:36.010 --> 53:41.090]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, um, it's going to be enacted on the 21st.
[53:43.450 --> 53:57.690]  [SPEAKER_07]: And it is, Bernie said it would affect children under the age of 13, but I'm actually reading the text of the bill here, and it says minors include everyone under 17.
[53:58.110 --> 53:58.550]  [SPEAKER_07]: Ooh.
[53:58.830 --> 54:13.210]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, uh, it's rather scary because it says Internet information location tool will not be able to be used by minors, and it, it says, uh, anyone who, ugh, all kinds of weird stuff.
[54:13.330 --> 54:15.050]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's written for morons, basically.
[54:15.210 --> 54:16.510]  [SPEAKER_07]: It explains what the Internet is.
[54:18.710 --> 54:21.770]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, it, um, where is it?
[54:22.210 --> 54:26.910]  [SPEAKER_07]: Taken as a whole lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value for minors.
[54:27.050 --> 54:32.730]  [SPEAKER_07]: So, in other words, the government decides the value of these things and can prohibit minors from seeing them.
[54:33.450 --> 54:34.190]  [SPEAKER_11]: Isn't that nice?
[54:34.190 --> 54:37.010]  [SPEAKER_11]: Basically, anything a minor might have fun doing is going to be prohibited.
[54:37.270 --> 54:37.750]  [SPEAKER_07]: Basically.
[54:38.050 --> 54:38.530]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, you...
[54:39.010 --> 54:43.790]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, not everything I like to do is political, artistic, or scientific.
[54:44.110 --> 54:44.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean...
[54:44.970 --> 54:47.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: What about fun stuff?
[54:47.390 --> 54:47.710]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[54:48.050 --> 54:50.390]  [SPEAKER_07]: But, I just, this is...
[54:50.390 --> 54:52.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: Actually, this was enacted...
[54:53.030 --> 55:03.230]  [SPEAKER_07]: It was passed on October of 1998, but the EFF got a primary injunction in the Third Circuit Court against it about the same time last year.
[55:03.570 --> 55:05.130]  [SPEAKER_07]: And that's why it's only going through now.
[55:05.930 --> 55:10.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: You see, what the problem is is that we're being hit with so many things at the same time.
[55:10.250 --> 55:12.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: How can anyone possibly cover them all?
[55:12.830 --> 55:13.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: Things are going to slip through.
[55:14.070 --> 55:14.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: Exactly.
[55:14.950 --> 55:15.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, um, I'm...
[55:15.970 --> 55:18.410]  [SPEAKER_07]: On my website, I'm going to be putting a lot of stuff about this.
[55:18.490 --> 55:20.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: We already have a whole news feed that covers this.
[55:20.990 --> 55:21.510]  [SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[55:21.770 --> 55:23.630]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, um, I...
[55:23.630 --> 55:25.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: This affects a lot of my friends.
[55:25.870 --> 55:30.490]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, uh, I just want to get it known because we have to...
[55:30.490 --> 55:33.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: People have to know about this because people are going to find themselves cut off.
[55:34.250 --> 55:34.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[55:34.810 --> 55:35.990]  [SPEAKER_07]: From the technology we're interested in.
[55:36.190 --> 55:36.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely.
[55:36.910 --> 55:40.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, we'll talk about this at the meeting as well, which takes place...
[55:40.170 --> 55:40.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: Friday.
[55:40.510 --> 55:41.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's...
[55:41.250 --> 55:47.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: For those who don't know, it's at the Citicorp Center here in New York, 53rd Street between Lexington and 3rd.
[55:47.450 --> 55:49.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: It takes place from 5 to 8 p.m.
[55:49.110 --> 55:50.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: It's right in the lobby.
[55:50.250 --> 55:51.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: Just follow all the security guards.
[55:51.450 --> 55:52.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: They always are where we are.
[55:53.290 --> 55:55.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, you know, we'll have some informal conversations about this.
[55:56.030 --> 55:58.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: And there are meetings in cities all over the world.
[55:58.730 --> 56:03.490]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, go to www.2600.com slash meetings for a full list of that.
[56:03.670 --> 56:04.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, thanks for the call.
[56:04.610 --> 56:05.190]  [SPEAKER_05]: We'll see you on Friday.
[56:05.430 --> 56:05.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
[56:05.810 --> 56:06.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[56:06.650 --> 56:07.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's take another phone call.
[56:07.630 --> 56:07.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.
[56:07.930 --> 56:08.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're on the air.
[56:10.330 --> 56:10.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[56:10.750 --> 56:11.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: You got to move faster than that.
[56:11.690 --> 56:12.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: Let's go over here.
[56:12.810 --> 56:13.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.
[56:13.190 --> 56:13.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're on the air.
[56:14.890 --> 56:15.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: Hello?
[56:15.510 --> 56:15.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, go ahead.
[56:16.470 --> 56:17.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, okay.
[56:17.090 --> 56:20.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: I was calling about the other caller who called about the eye opener.
[56:20.310 --> 56:20.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[56:21.250 --> 56:23.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: Evidently, it was sold by a cop.
[56:23.370 --> 56:24.650]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was sold through Circuit City.
[56:24.990 --> 56:31.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: And from what I heard, they recalled them because they went to change the design so people couldn't do that anymore.
[56:31.190 --> 56:31.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, boy.
[56:32.510 --> 56:32.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[56:32.910 --> 56:33.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's pretty funny.
[56:33.730 --> 56:34.270]  [SPEAKER_05]: Corporate America.
[56:34.450 --> 56:34.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: You got to love it.
[56:35.750 --> 56:36.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[56:36.270 --> 56:38.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think these things will be pretty hot on the black market then.
[56:39.330 --> 56:39.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[56:40.050 --> 56:40.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[56:40.290 --> 56:40.790]  [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for the call.
[56:41.190 --> 56:41.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[56:41.430 --> 56:41.730]  [SPEAKER_05]: Take it easy.
[56:42.650 --> 56:43.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.
[56:43.230 --> 56:43.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're on the air.
[56:44.810 --> 56:45.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hello.
[56:45.450 --> 56:49.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: I just wanted to let you guys know that there's a website out there.
[56:49.390 --> 56:55.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's on.to.fight and it has more information on the Sony DCSS case.
[56:56.010 --> 56:58.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: And if you guys want to just go there and look it up.
[56:58.470 --> 56:59.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's the address again?
[57:01.290 --> 57:07.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: On.to.fight or fight.on.to.
[57:07.910 --> 57:11.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: Isn't there like a top-level domain there somewhere?
[57:11.670 --> 57:13.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: .com.net, that's something?
[57:13.410 --> 57:13.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: No.
[57:14.090 --> 57:14.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's just the address.
[57:15.110 --> 57:17.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it'll bring you right there under columns and Miyamoto.
[57:18.130 --> 57:18.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[57:19.010 --> 57:24.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: There will be two articles covering the topic with links to other articles on it.
[57:24.850 --> 57:25.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[57:25.570 --> 57:25.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[57:25.850 --> 57:26.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks.
[57:26.070 --> 57:26.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[57:27.370 --> 57:27.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[57:27.950 --> 57:29.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think he was going to say have a nice day.
[57:29.770 --> 57:30.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: And if so, thank you.
[57:30.610 --> 57:31.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: Have a nice day, too.
[57:32.130 --> 57:33.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: How about we go over here?
[57:33.350 --> 57:33.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: Good evening.
[57:33.770 --> 57:34.170]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're on the air.
[57:35.710 --> 57:36.210]  [SPEAKER_05]: Speak up.
[57:36.510 --> 57:36.930]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, hi there.
[57:37.330 --> 57:37.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: Emmanuel.
[57:37.850 --> 57:38.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[57:38.430 --> 57:39.070]  [SPEAKER_09]: Two points.
[57:39.250 --> 57:44.650]  [SPEAKER_09]: That guy with the cryptology anti-terrorism outfit.
[57:44.830 --> 57:45.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[57:45.250 --> 57:46.410]  [SPEAKER_09]: Check the date of that press release.
[57:46.530 --> 57:47.870]  [SPEAKER_09]: This is the fourth day of April.
[57:48.390 --> 57:49.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: Ah, yes.
[57:49.330 --> 57:49.570]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[57:49.830 --> 57:53.910]  [SPEAKER_09]: Just for, you know, because that's totally pseudo-science the guy is talking about.
[57:54.310 --> 57:56.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, it is also the weekly world news.
[57:56.550 --> 57:57.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, there you go.
[57:57.610 --> 57:57.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[57:58.130 --> 57:59.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: So, I mean, which takes priority?
[57:59.650 --> 58:01.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: The April 1st or the weekly world news?
[58:01.730 --> 58:02.390]  [SPEAKER_09]: Toss a coin?
[58:02.590 --> 58:02.790]  Yeah.
[58:03.790 --> 58:03.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[58:03.970 --> 58:08.970]  [SPEAKER_09]: Also, an interesting aspect of that merger with NYNEX or Bell Atlantic, whoever the heck they are this week.
[58:08.970 --> 58:09.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[58:09.530 --> 58:10.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: The colors for the logo?
[58:10.870 --> 58:11.950]  [SPEAKER_09]: Black, red, and white?
[58:12.510 --> 58:12.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[58:12.970 --> 58:13.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's up with that?
[58:13.550 --> 58:14.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: Flag of the Third Reich?
[58:15.170 --> 58:16.150]  [SPEAKER_05]: I was thinking that.
[58:16.290 --> 58:17.290]  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I'm paranoid about graphic arts.
[58:17.350 --> 58:18.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: Didn't want to say it, but I was thinking that.
[58:19.170 --> 58:19.690]  [SPEAKER_05]: But, yeah.
[58:19.710 --> 58:19.910]  [SPEAKER_05]: I think.
[58:20.330 --> 58:25.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: And, you know, this new law that the last caller was calling about takes effect on, what was it, April 21st?
[58:25.750 --> 58:26.570]  [SPEAKER_05]: Isn't that Hitler's birthday?
[58:27.130 --> 58:30.630]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think he was, he was April, but I don't remember exactly when.
[58:30.710 --> 58:30.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[58:30.850 --> 58:31.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: What's around there?
[58:31.770 --> 58:32.010]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[58:32.010 --> 58:34.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: I think it might have been the 17th for some god or some reason.
[58:34.470 --> 58:34.670]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[58:35.290 --> 58:35.650]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[58:35.790 --> 58:36.350]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, oddities.
[58:36.710 --> 58:40.630]  [SPEAKER_05]: On that cheery note, we have to end, unfortunately, because we are out of time.
[58:40.930 --> 58:45.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: But I'm sure there'll be plenty to complain about next week that we'll be happy to bring to you.
[58:45.770 --> 59:00.010]  [SPEAKER_05]: Again, write to us, OTH at 2600.com, or send us regular mail, if you still know how to write with a pen and paper, WBAI, well, actually off the hook here, WBAI, 120 Wall Street, New York, New York, 10005.
[59:00.010 --> 59:02.350]  [SPEAKER_05]: Bernie, always a pleasure having you on the show.
[59:02.550 --> 59:03.370]  [SPEAKER_11]: Always my pleasure.
[59:03.530 --> 59:04.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: And we had a lot of fun at ICON.
[59:04.770 --> 59:08.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Hopefully, we'll repeat that in conventions in the future.
[59:08.850 --> 59:11.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: Until next week, this is Emmanuel Goldstein.
[59:11.710 --> 59:12.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Have a good night.
[59:12.870 --> 59:13.390]  [SPEAKER_05]: Stay safe.
[59:16.730 --> 59:18.490]  [SPEAKER_02]: The telephone keeps ringing.
[59:18.950 --> 59:21.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: So I ripped it off the wall.
[59:22.190 --> 59:24.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: I cut myself while shaving.
[59:24.690 --> 59:25.330]  Now I
[59:33.620 --> 59:35.080]  [SPEAKER_03]: best expect the worst.
[59:35.780 --> 59:37.660]  [SPEAKER_03]: I hope that's understood.
[01:00:03.950 --> 01:00:23.270]  [SPEAKER_00]: The Amadou Diallo Coalition comes to Harlem this Thursday, April 6th at 7.30pm at St. Mark's United Methodist Church, located at 137th Street and St. Nicholas Avenue, to continue its citywide advocacy for a boycott of all Easter shopping as a means of protesting.
[01:00:23.270 --> 01:00:30.370]  [SPEAKER_00]: The Coalition intends to reach every resident of New York and encourage them to hold their wallets and their votes.
[01:00:30.730 --> 01:00:38.570]  [SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, the Coalition seeks complete political and economic independence for members of historically oppressed groups.
[01:00:38.570 --> 01:00:44.210]  [SPEAKER_00]: For further information, call 718-834-9034.
[01:00:44.230 --> 01:00:48.430]  [SPEAKER_00]: That's 718-834-9034.
[01:00:49.100 --> 01:00:50.090]  [SPEAKER_04]: Party work!
[01:00:51.070 --> 01:00:53.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's hold our wallet!