Off The Hook - 2002-03-05

[00:06.680 --> 00:09.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: And with that note of victory, it's just about 8 o'clock.
[00:09.800 --> 00:12.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're listening to radio station WBAI.
[00:13.420 --> 00:16.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's time once again for Off The Hook.
[00:22.010 --> 00:26.490]  [SPEAKER_05]: The telephone keeps ringing, so I ripped it off the wall.
[00:27.470 --> 00:32.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: I cut myself while shaving, now I can't make a cough.
[00:32.670 --> 00:34.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: It couldn't get much worse.
[00:37.350 --> 00:40.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: One little bump, but the best is back to worst.
[00:41.070 --> 00:43.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: I hope that's understood, one little bump.
[04:52.710 --> 04:53.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: And a good evening to everybody.
[04:53.990 --> 04:55.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: The program is Off The Hook.
[04:55.350 --> 04:59.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll give a medal to anybody who knows what that piece of music is the theme to.
[04:59.890 --> 05:03.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: Or actually what these continuing remixes are themes to.
[05:03.590 --> 05:04.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Anybody knows, give us a call.
[05:05.890 --> 05:07.510]  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll tell you at the end of the show.
[05:07.930 --> 05:10.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: Unless I forget, and then we'll never know.
[05:12.070 --> 05:13.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, the program is Off The Hook.
[05:13.850 --> 05:21.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: Emmanuel Goldstein here with you on this, the 5th day of March in the year 2002.
[05:23.090 --> 05:28.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: I received email from someone saying that this date will never occur again.
[05:29.090 --> 05:30.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a one-time thing.
[05:31.170 --> 05:35.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: Once this March 5th is over, there won't be another one.
[05:35.090 --> 05:37.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: At least not another one with 2002 following it.
[05:38.730 --> 05:39.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think of that, Mike?
[05:40.630 --> 05:41.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that scientifically correct?
[05:42.090 --> 05:42.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's weird.
[05:43.310 --> 05:44.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you didn't think about it.
[05:44.230 --> 05:44.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's why it's weird.
[05:45.170 --> 05:45.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
[05:45.790 --> 05:48.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you just have to think these things through and, you know...
[05:48.990 --> 05:49.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe it.
[05:49.690 --> 05:53.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: The profundities of it just will amaze you.
[05:55.570 --> 05:56.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[05:56.290 --> 06:02.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, we're going to be taking phone calls a lot tonight because we didn't do that at all last week and I've been wracked with guilt ever since.
[06:03.370 --> 06:05.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, if you want to get on the bandwagon...
[06:05.690 --> 06:08.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the number for the bandwagon is area code 2...
[06:08.890 --> 06:09.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, country code first.
[06:09.910 --> 06:10.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: One.
[06:11.930 --> 06:18.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure what the interplanetary code or the time code if you're traveling through time is, so you have to figure that out yourself with your local authorities.
[06:18.830 --> 06:22.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: City code 212, or area code as we know here, 209-2900.
[06:23.690 --> 06:26.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: As the lights already begin to light up.
[06:27.490 --> 06:28.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: And Jim is here again this week.
[06:28.790 --> 06:29.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, Jim.
[06:29.490 --> 06:29.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hello.
[06:29.770 --> 06:30.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're still a free man?
[06:30.810 --> 06:31.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's good?
[06:31.670 --> 06:32.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so.
[06:32.730 --> 06:32.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[06:33.510 --> 06:34.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think so, too.
[06:34.550 --> 06:35.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think most of us think so.
[06:36.550 --> 06:42.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: But you'll be talking about some of your problems with the transit authority, or the MTA, as they call it.
[06:42.770 --> 06:47.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: Or the New York State courts, or the NYPD, depending on how you look at it.
[06:47.370 --> 06:59.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: Jim, as many of you know, was instrumental all the way back in 1994 at the first HOPE conference, Hackers on Planet Earth, where he basically gave a lecture.
[06:59.770 --> 07:13.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: On the whole, at the time, the brand new MetroCard system, and answered quite a lot of questions, and has been answering questions here on the radio, and throughout various other means, 2600 meetings through the magazine, that kind of thing, as to how the technology works.
[07:13.770 --> 07:17.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: And apparently that's gotten you in a heap of trouble by talking about how technology works.
[07:17.870 --> 07:23.430]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I believe that's what has caused my problems indirectly.
[07:23.630 --> 07:29.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: Has angered the powers that be the demigods of the TA, as it were.
[07:29.810 --> 07:30.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[07:30.870 --> 07:33.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's some demigods to get after you, from what I understand.
[07:33.550 --> 07:35.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not the first time someone like this has happened to somebody.
[07:35.810 --> 07:38.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: I understand there's been witch hunts in the past.
[07:38.450 --> 07:40.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[07:42.830 --> 07:54.310]  [SPEAKER_12]: The problem with this is that, since it's a criminal matter now, I have to handle that, and then prove that it's petty...
[07:57.050 --> 07:57.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: Vindictiveness?
[07:58.170 --> 07:58.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: Vindictiveness, thank you.
[07:59.710 --> 08:00.090]  Yeah.
[08:00.250 --> 08:01.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, that should be interesting.
[08:01.310 --> 08:05.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, if there's anything you want to contribute, if you're involved in a case, obviously...
[08:05.030 --> 08:15.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, there's not tremendously much I can say that either gets me into more trouble, or that wouldn't get me into more trouble, or tip off my defense.
[08:15.690 --> 08:17.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: Everything you say can be used against you.
[08:17.370 --> 08:20.670]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I'm not even thrilled with your introduction, sorry to say.
[08:21.050 --> 08:22.430]  [SPEAKER_12]: Flattering, though it may have been.
[08:23.170 --> 08:24.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: I could do it again.
[08:24.390 --> 08:25.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, no, no.
[08:25.270 --> 08:27.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: I think they've got it on tape, or it'll be on the way.
[08:27.150 --> 08:29.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the show's on tape, so we can go back and do it again.
[08:29.170 --> 08:29.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, is it?
[08:29.290 --> 08:30.110]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's the advantage of it.
[08:30.310 --> 08:31.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: Gee, I never realized that.
[08:32.010 --> 08:32.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's just cut that part.
[08:33.070 --> 08:33.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, we'll start over.
[08:35.170 --> 08:57.950]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, essentially, they had a case against me last year, which was an internal discipline case, that they introduced the main body of evidence in the current criminal case, and the impartial arbitrator threw it out because, gee, there were no charges relating to this mass of alleged data.
[08:59.150 --> 09:05.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: It was just thrown in to color his opinion of me, make me look like a criminal.
[09:05.270 --> 09:21.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: And now a year later, and two years after the fact, they're charging me with grand larceny in the fourth degree, which, of course, begs an answer for the question, well, gee, if this is two years in the past, and they think I'm committing grand larceny,
[09:21.410 --> 09:23.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: why didn't they let me work two years?
[09:24.230 --> 09:24.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: Interesting.
[09:25.630 --> 09:27.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, as a conservative citizen, I'd like to know that.
[09:28.010 --> 09:30.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to know what kind of people the Transit Authority is hiring here.
[09:31.470 --> 09:35.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's definitely something to consider, but it does sound pretty damn absurd to me.
[09:35.950 --> 09:36.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[09:36.170 --> 09:37.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: The whole case.
[09:37.230 --> 09:37.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right.
[09:37.690 --> 09:38.230]  [SPEAKER_12]: What I've heard.
[09:38.830 --> 09:46.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: And not to tip off too much, I've actually even been told by the union that they don't want a lot of this out in public.
[09:46.950 --> 09:50.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: So certain offers certain people have made are going to be impossible.
[09:50.530 --> 09:57.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'm not going to refer to specifically what they were, but certain publicity is to be avoided.
[09:58.350 --> 10:15.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: Essentially, what they're alleging is that if a person came to the booth with a problem with a MetroCard, and I put on the money that was remaining on the card on another card, they culled out every $1.50 transaction and said they're all fraudulent.
[10:18.430 --> 10:21.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: Essentially, I'm doing my job, and I'm punished for it.
[10:22.470 --> 10:25.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you think there are many... you're a token booth clerk.
[10:25.850 --> 10:28.570]  [SPEAKER_12]: Station agent is currently the official title, yeah.
[10:28.790 --> 10:28.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[10:29.670 --> 10:33.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are there other station agents that are falling victim to this as well?
[10:34.350 --> 10:34.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[10:35.130 --> 10:38.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: There have been probably around two dozen arrests all told.
[10:39.070 --> 10:43.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: The TA has about a 60% success rate.
[10:44.030 --> 10:45.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: Meaning that they're able to prosecute people.
[10:45.710 --> 10:45.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: Convicted, yeah.
[10:46.590 --> 10:49.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: And do you think the people they prosecute actually are doing something, or are they...?
[10:49.570 --> 10:57.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, obviously, I would have to say that in an organization where there are 4,000 station agents, somebody's gonna do this.
[10:57.650 --> 10:58.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: Mm-hmm.
[11:00.030 --> 11:00.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh...
[11:00.410 --> 11:12.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just interesting because, obviously, our history, we've seen this quite a bit, and I think a lot of our listeners have as well, particularly people in schools, where when they explain how something works, or show people how it works, or just know a little too much,
[11:13.030 --> 11:26.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: know more than the people that are supposed to be running the system, they tend to be targeted as the problem, as the person that actually caused any kind of design flaws, or as somebody who has superhuman capabilities and is to be feared and locked up and penalized in their various ways.
[11:27.010 --> 11:29.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't help but be reminded of that in this case.
[11:29.670 --> 11:31.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I look forward to seeing the facts come out.
[11:31.450 --> 11:36.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it'll be very interesting to see just what exactly these people are talking about, if they ever do explain that.
[11:36.370 --> 11:49.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I mean, it's been common knowledge, and I've said this on the air before, so I'm not too upset about saying it again, that bending the card in certain places causes extra value to appear on it.
[11:49.610 --> 11:57.730]  [SPEAKER_12]: I want to point out that in March of 1994, the Daily News, the New York Daily News, was the first to publish that.
[11:57.850 --> 12:04.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: I learned that from the Daily News before I learned it through in-house, or rumors, or official in-house communication.
[12:04.650 --> 12:06.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: This is what, the bending of the MetroCard?
[12:06.470 --> 12:07.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: The bending of the MetroCard.
[12:07.670 --> 12:07.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[12:08.950 --> 12:09.950]  [SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen that work.
[12:09.970 --> 12:11.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: I've bent lots of MetroCards.
[12:11.250 --> 12:14.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: I've, you know, just to see if it would actually work, and I've never gotten it to.
[12:14.670 --> 12:18.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, I've unbent a lot, so I know where it is, but I haven't bent them.
[12:18.270 --> 12:19.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: I've unbent them.
[12:19.190 --> 12:19.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: You've unbent them.
[12:19.870 --> 12:24.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: We've been told, if someone comes with a card and there's an obvious bend on it, unbend it.
[12:24.950 --> 12:26.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: How do you unbend something?
[12:26.970 --> 12:27.310]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well...
[12:27.310 --> 12:28.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's gonna have a crease in it.
[12:28.410 --> 12:28.610]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right.
[12:28.810 --> 12:29.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: So you do it the other way.
[12:30.470 --> 12:34.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: But the crease is still there, and it's still a pretty good indication as to where the bend was.
[12:34.650 --> 12:39.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, yeah, but the value that was there when the bend was there disappears.
[12:39.910 --> 12:41.610]  [SPEAKER_12]: It goes from $150 to $0.
[12:41.610 --> 12:44.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: It goes from $16.50 to $15, whatever.
[12:45.370 --> 12:47.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: But why would somebody who did that give you the card?
[12:49.190 --> 12:51.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: Lots of cards will not work in the turnstile with a bend.
[12:52.110 --> 12:52.430]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[12:53.470 --> 13:05.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: But in the token booth terminal, in the booth, you can put that card in the slot and convey the money onto the value of that card onto another card.
[13:06.030 --> 13:13.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: So if someone has taken a card that, for argument's sake, has $3, bent it, it looks like it's a $4.50 card with a problem.
[13:13.890 --> 13:19.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: You convert that, you take that money off and put it on another card, it's a $4.50 card.
[13:19.410 --> 13:22.970]  [SPEAKER_12]: Meanwhile, this was a $3 card that this person had.
[13:24.790 --> 13:27.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: So they've created a $1.50.
[13:28.790 --> 13:29.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: Out of thin air.
[13:29.890 --> 13:30.430]  [SPEAKER_12]: Out of thin air.
[13:30.610 --> 13:31.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: Out of a bend, actually.
[13:32.410 --> 13:37.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll be following this as it transpires and hopefully you won't be victimized too much.
[13:37.990 --> 13:40.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: But we all know how the technophobes work in this society.
[13:41.750 --> 13:42.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: Autojack, you still here?
[13:43.010 --> 13:44.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean, don't I live here?
[13:44.530 --> 13:46.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess maybe you do now.
[13:47.310 --> 13:49.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: Transplanted from San Diego, now in New York.
[13:50.770 --> 13:51.170]  [SPEAKER_04]: Indefinitely.
[13:51.170 --> 13:51.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Indefinitely.
[13:51.990 --> 13:54.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there are worse things that could happen to you.
[13:54.570 --> 13:55.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: Many worse things.
[13:55.830 --> 13:56.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[13:57.910 --> 14:00.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, anything exciting happening in your world?
[14:01.090 --> 14:03.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: Music and the arts and all that kind of thing?
[14:04.250 --> 14:11.330]  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, musically, I guess you and I went to go see Asobi Sektu the other night on Saturday.
[14:11.410 --> 14:11.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes.
[14:11.790 --> 14:16.510]  [SPEAKER_03]: The, I guess, the next step in Theta Wave State.
[14:16.810 --> 14:16.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[14:17.010 --> 14:22.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you're not familiar, Theta Wave State did the music for Freedom Downtime, which will be released soon.
[14:22.110 --> 14:22.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: Very soon.
[14:22.850 --> 14:23.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: Really soon.
[14:23.550 --> 14:24.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're not kidding this time.
[14:24.670 --> 14:25.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: We weren't kidding last time either.
[14:26.110 --> 14:27.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was basically...
[14:28.330 --> 14:32.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a long story, but we've got it done and it should be actually available.
[14:33.190 --> 14:34.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: Just keep checking the website.
[14:34.490 --> 14:35.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: There'll be announcements.
[14:35.870 --> 14:39.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, Asobi Sektu is the new incarnation of that band.
[14:39.470 --> 14:40.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they're really, really good.
[14:40.390 --> 14:41.030]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're excellent.
[14:41.310 --> 14:41.430]  Yeah.
[14:42.390 --> 14:43.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I guess that was the highlight of the week.
[14:45.390 --> 14:47.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, hopefully this week will be exciting too.
[14:47.470 --> 14:50.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: We have some news items and then, of course, we'll take phone calls.
[14:53.130 --> 14:54.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: 212-209-2900.
[14:54.430 --> 14:57.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you know what theme this is we're playing in the background, please let us know that as well.
[14:58.530 --> 14:59.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know.
[14:59.270 --> 14:59.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know what it is.
[15:00.010 --> 15:02.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: There are a few people out there that know, who I already know, so...
[15:03.830 --> 15:04.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll never tell.
[15:04.770 --> 15:04.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[15:06.030 --> 15:06.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: You shouldn't.
[15:06.670 --> 15:10.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: And the theme that's playing now is not the same theme, so...
[15:12.010 --> 15:14.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do not guess what this is because it's not part of it.
[15:16.090 --> 15:27.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we had quite a lot of feedback to all our talk of Clear Channel and radio stations and the overall fascism of commercial radio and what's going on.
[15:29.030 --> 15:41.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really pretty sad what's happening with a small amount of corporations owning virtually all of the outlets of radio throughout this country.
[15:43.730 --> 15:46.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think a lot of people are very upset at this.
[15:46.990 --> 15:47.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Very upset.
[15:47.890 --> 15:57.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, we mentioned XM as the, I guess, next technological step, even though it's not really a radio band like AM or FM.
[15:57.910 --> 15:58.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: XM is a company.
[15:59.230 --> 16:02.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, they put on who it is that they want to put on.
[16:02.250 --> 16:05.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you might say, okay, well, at least there's some alternative to Clear Channel.
[16:05.150 --> 16:09.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you'd be wrong because Clear Channel owns part of XM.
[16:09.210 --> 16:15.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure exactly how much, but we got mail from somebody telling us something else as far as that goes.
[16:15.890 --> 16:19.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: Our good friends at General Motors also have a stake.
[16:19.790 --> 16:21.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, it's just the same thing.
[16:21.770 --> 16:25.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a different channel, but the same basic players.
[16:25.910 --> 16:29.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, unfortunately, we don't really gain anything from that.
[16:30.150 --> 16:39.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: An interesting letter that I saw in a publication called Radio World, which, if anyone's interested in radio, that's a great publication to read.
[16:40.490 --> 16:42.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: Although I couldn't tell you how to subscribe.
[16:42.290 --> 16:43.950]  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess I should have brought a copy with me.
[16:44.010 --> 16:46.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: Instead, I printed out the letter, but look it up on the Internet.
[16:46.690 --> 16:47.950]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a publication called Radio World.
[16:48.090 --> 16:51.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Not the chain in Canada that sells radio components.
[16:52.390 --> 16:54.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: But they might know how to get to the magazine.
[16:54.610 --> 16:54.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: Who knows?
[16:55.830 --> 17:05.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, this is a response to somebody else who had written the letter, apparently about this whole thing with commercial radio, Clear Channel, things like that.
[17:06.990 --> 17:18.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: The media has played a large role in the disintegration of our families, neighborhoods, and towns by supporting concepts such as satellite radio, NPR, and the corporate cloning of broadcasting.
[17:18.950 --> 17:24.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: Our society is becoming more fragmented as people lose touch with the people and happenings in their local communities.
[17:24.870 --> 17:30.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: As a result, our towns have lost the spirit that helped people form the ties that build a neighborhood or community.
[17:30.030 --> 17:36.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks to our frenetically paced society, few people have time to read the local newspaper in the same manner that our parents did.
[17:37.130 --> 17:40.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: Our only practical means of gaining local information is from radio.
[17:40.910 --> 17:47.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: However, most of the local stations across America are owned by corporate giants that show little interest in programming local information and news.
[17:47.650 --> 17:53.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: In fact, last week on this show, we talked about how many times they're not even in the same town that they allege to broadcast from.
[17:53.890 --> 18:03.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: There are DJs in different cities pretending to be in other cities and making sure nobody actually has the job of announcer in the local towns.
[18:03.890 --> 18:12.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: Continuing, since these giants are unwilling to sell stations to local people, even stations that lose money, we have little chance of gaining any form of local news in our towns.
[18:12.990 --> 18:17.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: Unless we have a change in values, the future of our communities doesn't look promising.
[18:17.790 --> 18:25.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: Local radio could play an important role again in fostering strong relationships within our towns, provided local independent ownership is given a chance.
[18:25.530 --> 18:36.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: But with the Telecommunications Act, NPR, and the FCC all fighting local commercial independent broadcasting, it's not likely we'll soon see an increase in local programming on our radio stations.
[18:36.470 --> 18:39.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: I ask you, is this what people really want?
[18:39.690 --> 18:41.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: That letter was written by William C.
[18:42.090 --> 18:46.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: Walker, who is the proprietor of WILWAM in West Hartford, Connecticut.
[18:47.130 --> 18:48.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to listen to that station.
[18:48.330 --> 18:49.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll bet they have some local programming.
[18:50.050 --> 18:51.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's a real problem.
[18:51.910 --> 18:54.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: The face of radio has changed dramatically, horribly.
[18:56.130 --> 18:58.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know where it's going to go from here.
[18:59.710 --> 19:05.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: People have to get organized and start taking back the airways because they do belong to the people.
[19:05.210 --> 19:06.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we're told anyway.
[19:07.570 --> 19:12.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: Here's a press release from Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, dated March 1st.
[19:12.950 --> 19:21.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: Last week, the District of Columbia Court of Appeals overturned one of the country's last remaining regulatory protections against media monopoly and ordered the review of another.
[19:22.110 --> 19:28.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: The court overturned the rule that had prevented one company from owning both television stations and cable franchises in a single market.
[19:28.670 --> 19:38.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: The court also ordered that the FCC either justify or rewrite the rule that bars a company from owning television stations which reach more than 35% of U.S.
[19:38.110 --> 19:42.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: households, stating that as is, the rule is arbitrary and illegal.
[19:42.230 --> 19:48.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: And both rulings were a victory for Fox, AOL, Time Warner, NBC, and Viacom.
[19:50.850 --> 19:54.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, one more restriction lifted.
[19:55.190 --> 19:58.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: One more protection against monopolies gone.
[20:00.350 --> 20:04.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: The relaxation and ownership rule seems to have generated some opposition in Congress.
[20:04.670 --> 20:10.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Ernest Hollings plans to hold a hearing on the issue sometime in March.
[20:10.550 --> 20:12.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: But there hasn't been much reaction at the FCC.
[20:13.110 --> 20:17.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: If the FCC wanted to stand up for the public, the agency could appeal the decision to the Supreme Court.
[20:17.970 --> 20:23.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: It could also, as the appeals court suggested, muster new evidence to justify the ownership cap.
[20:23.890 --> 20:34.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: But neither course seems likely, given the deregulatory seal of FCC Chair Michael Powell, son of Colin Powell, who once declared that the oppressor here is regulation.
[20:35.290 --> 20:38.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: And has said that he has no idea what the public interest is.
[20:38.730 --> 20:40.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to get that quote somewhere.
[20:40.450 --> 20:53.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: The FCC's lackluster response suggests that the agency has forsaken its mission of safeguarding the public interest and is prepared to allow corporations to redraw the media landscape as they please with little or no public debate.
[20:54.750 --> 21:03.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: The Fair encourages you to write to FCC Chairman Michael Powell and let him know that the public is not willing to give up on democratic, diverse, and decentralized media.
[21:03.610 --> 21:13.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: Urge him to appeal the recent Court of Appeals decision that overturned the television cable cross-ownership rule and to vigorously defend the 35% television ownership cap.
[21:14.910 --> 21:16.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd like it to be a lot less than that, actually.
[21:17.130 --> 21:25.510]  [SPEAKER_03]: You can contact Michael Powell, who's the chairman of the FCC, 445 12th Street, Southwest, Washington, D.C., 20554.
[21:26.370 --> 21:32.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: Or if you want to email him, mpowell, M-P-O-W-E-L-L, at FCC.gov, although I bet he probably doesn't read any of his email.
[21:33.550 --> 21:37.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: As always, remember that your comments are taken more seriously if you maintain a polite tone.
[21:37.890 --> 21:44.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you want any more information on fairness and accuracy in media, contact FAIR at FAIR.org.
[21:45.810 --> 21:52.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of organizations and non-profits and things like that, we reported that we were having...
[21:52.150 --> 21:58.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: We had gotten the top-level domain, the .coop domain for the Independent Media Center.
[21:58.950 --> 22:02.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: We obtained media.coop, or .coop as it looks.
[22:03.490 --> 22:10.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: And almost immediately we had been told that we weren't eligible to be media.coop.
[22:10.190 --> 22:17.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: Even though we are media.coop, it just seemed as if we were arbitrarily being selected for some kind of review.
[22:19.490 --> 22:25.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm pleased to say that we submitted all the required paperwork, and today I was notified that we are, in fact, media.coop.
[22:26.050 --> 22:28.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, small victory.
[22:29.930 --> 22:31.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's the only one this week, too.
[22:32.170 --> 22:33.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: But what are you going to do?
[22:33.870 --> 22:34.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: What do you think about that?
[22:35.290 --> 22:35.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[22:35.830 --> 22:36.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good for the IMC.
[22:36.770 --> 22:36.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[22:37.330 --> 22:38.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's about time.
[22:39.310 --> 22:42.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think we also have indymedia.coop as well, which is kind of cool.
[22:42.690 --> 22:43.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not working yet.
[22:43.550 --> 22:48.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: It will be pointing to indymedia.org real soon and hopefully have some more stuff on it.
[22:49.170 --> 22:51.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: Our phone number, 212-209-2900.
[22:51.130 --> 22:58.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: I have more news, but, you know, I'd like to start in with phone calls somewhat early so that we have a kind of good representation.
[22:59.130 --> 23:00.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: Mike, is there anything new from your end?
[23:01.270 --> 23:03.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: I just want to announce the Wreck-It Society.
[23:03.830 --> 23:04.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are you familiar with them?
[23:04.710 --> 23:04.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[23:05.090 --> 23:10.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: The troublemakers that get, you know, arrested by Philadelphia cops because they dare to protest and things like that.
[23:10.550 --> 23:16.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: And they're anarchists that want to smash every Starbucks in the world and just make shopping difficult.
[23:16.750 --> 23:18.710]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's pretty much an accurate description.
[23:19.030 --> 23:19.790]  [SPEAKER_11]: And interfere with commercials.
[23:19.970 --> 23:28.170]  [SPEAKER_11]: What they do is they hold action camps, they call them, where they train people mainly in forest defense, how to do tree sits and that sort of thing.
[23:29.230 --> 23:29.650]  [SPEAKER_11]: Tree sits.
[23:29.850 --> 23:31.550]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's a word that just got made up, right?
[23:31.870 --> 23:32.370]  [SPEAKER_11]: Tree sit.
[23:32.370 --> 23:33.470]  [SPEAKER_11]: Not by me.
[23:33.670 --> 23:34.470]  [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, but that's good.
[23:34.590 --> 23:34.810]  [SPEAKER_11]: I like it.
[23:34.830 --> 23:34.950]  [SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[23:36.850 --> 23:40.690]  [SPEAKER_11]: But they're having this summer a tech toolbox action camp.
[23:42.330 --> 23:47.030]  [SPEAKER_11]: It's going to be the end of June, beginning of July in Occidental, California.
[23:47.390 --> 23:51.750]  [SPEAKER_11]: So if people are interested in that, they should check out ruckus.org, which is their website.
[23:52.050 --> 23:52.490]  [SPEAKER_11]: Okay, great.
[23:52.870 --> 23:55.030]  [SPEAKER_11]: So it should be interesting, if nothing else.
[23:55.210 --> 23:56.770]  [SPEAKER_11]: And Claude, I can't help but notice that you're here.
[23:59.190 --> 24:00.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: It happened again.
[24:00.230 --> 24:00.710]  [SPEAKER_14]: It has.
[24:00.890 --> 24:01.070]  [SPEAKER_14]: It happened again.
[24:01.290 --> 24:01.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: It has.
[24:01.750 --> 24:02.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: It happened again, huh?
[24:02.630 --> 24:03.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, welcome.
[24:03.510 --> 24:04.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to our airwaves.
[24:05.790 --> 24:07.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: You haven't been camped out here since last week.
[24:08.110 --> 24:20.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: Actually, I wasn't even then, but I was abashed or whatever by your saying that I had been sitting here all week, or all several weeks.
[24:20.750 --> 24:22.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: Several weeks, because we weren't on for a couple of weeks.
[24:22.630 --> 24:22.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[24:23.210 --> 24:24.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: You were abashed by that?
[24:24.230 --> 24:25.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's not good, is it?
[24:25.330 --> 24:25.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's not.
[24:25.710 --> 24:26.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: It sounds like a bad word.
[24:26.930 --> 24:27.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's...
[24:28.150 --> 24:29.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: I can't even think of the right word.
[24:29.710 --> 24:30.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's happening again.
[24:30.850 --> 24:31.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh-huh.
[24:31.830 --> 24:32.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[24:32.290 --> 24:34.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, curl back up in the corner there.
[24:34.790 --> 24:35.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[24:35.170 --> 24:35.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: Fetal position.
[24:35.770 --> 24:38.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: If you think of something else to say, just feel free to just come up to...
[24:38.550 --> 24:51.010]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, actually, one thing that occurred to me a little while ago about that folded card turning into Metro Transit, $1.50 there.
[24:51.210 --> 25:05.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's sort of like what's going on or what happened before the euro currency came out, that before the money existed, it was all just magnetic impulses.
[25:05.190 --> 25:18.250]  [SPEAKER_14]: It was the strangest kind of thing where money moving backward and backward from any kind of physical item to just the idea of value.
[25:18.610 --> 25:25.290]  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, well, any event, there's no gold behind the stuff.
[25:25.470 --> 25:28.770]  [SPEAKER_14]: And it's just, it's a strange direction that money has gone in.
[25:28.770 --> 25:29.390]  [SPEAKER_14]: Mm-hmm.
[25:30.110 --> 25:36.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: You can't file down like a milled coin that's residing only on a computer.
[25:37.630 --> 25:41.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anybody really understands money, where it is, what it means.
[25:41.910 --> 25:43.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: We just accept whatever we're told.
[25:43.590 --> 25:46.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: If we're told that something has a certain amount of value, then it does.
[25:47.050 --> 25:47.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: Because we're told so.
[25:47.230 --> 25:48.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: We all make believe in unison.
[25:48.870 --> 25:49.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's all a big game.
[25:50.090 --> 25:50.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, let's face it.
[25:52.130 --> 25:52.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: But...
[25:52.450 --> 25:53.630]  [SPEAKER_11]: The problem is some people win.
[25:53.630 --> 25:54.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[25:54.290 --> 25:54.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, hopefully...
[25:54.770 --> 26:02.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: This is a good point to remind people that have pledged to the radio station that whether or not you believe in money, please send the money in that you said you'd send us.
[26:02.150 --> 26:05.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, we'll happily continue the radio station.
[26:05.290 --> 26:16.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, of course, the people who pledged during this show, you'll be getting the shirts we promised you as soon as we get the list of people, which we usually wait a few weeks just to make sure everything's, you know, kosher and people have paid and that kind of thing.
[26:17.570 --> 26:19.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Another reminder, then we'll take a phone call.
[26:20.630 --> 26:28.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: The annual SWL Winterfest, which is rapidly running out of time because winter never really arrived here in the first place.
[26:28.550 --> 26:33.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: But the annual SWL Winterfest is being held March 8th and 9th.
[26:33.910 --> 26:36.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: And, yes, that's this Friday and Saturday.
[26:36.010 --> 26:38.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's in a town called Kulpsville,, Pennsylvania.
[26:38.590 --> 26:41.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's spelled K-U-L-P-S-V-I-L-L-E.
[26:41.830 --> 26:45.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's about 30 minutes north of Philadelphia, last I checked.
[26:45.270 --> 26:51.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: You can get more information on it at www.swlfest.com.
[26:52.970 --> 26:57.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: And here's a description of it from a biased source.
[26:57.250 --> 27:10.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: The convention is the largest gathering of listeners to the radio spectrum, long-wave, medium-wave, short-wave, broadcast, utilities, pirates, VHF, slash UHF, FM, scanners, television, and satellites in the United States, perhaps the world.
[27:10.750 --> 27:16.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: About 200 persons from Europe, Asia, North America, and South America attend each year.
[27:18.390 --> 27:18.830]  Um...
[27:18.830 --> 27:19.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't that sound kind of small?
[27:20.130 --> 27:21.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: It does, doesn't it?
[27:21.490 --> 27:30.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if it's the largest gathering of listeners to the radio spectrum in the country all year, perhaps the world, it just seems like there would be more than 200 people there.
[27:30.710 --> 27:34.710]  [SPEAKER_12]: On a big 2600 meeting on a first Friday, don't we have close to that?
[27:34.870 --> 27:34.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[27:34.930 --> 27:36.510]  [SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of those people are listening to radio as well.
[27:37.130 --> 27:37.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[27:38.030 --> 27:38.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not quite sure.
[27:38.690 --> 27:39.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe there's a misprint.
[27:39.450 --> 27:44.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it should be 200,000 people, or 2,000 people, 20,000 people, or anything like that.
[27:44.990 --> 27:45.610]  [SPEAKER_12]: Because I know that...
[27:45.610 --> 27:57.690]  [SPEAKER_12]: Or on the other hand, maybe you have to have some sort of high-end radio device that goes to frequencies only dogs can hear and picks it up to be in that elite group.
[27:57.690 --> 27:57.910]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's the only way you get in.
[27:58.070 --> 27:58.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.
[27:58.390 --> 27:59.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: That could be, I guess.
[27:59.470 --> 28:03.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, the Dayton Ham Fest, that gets, you know, tens of thousands of people showing up at that thing.
[28:03.450 --> 28:05.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, they broadcast hams as well.
[28:05.190 --> 28:06.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: These are listeners.
[28:06.770 --> 28:06.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[28:07.390 --> 28:08.110]  [SPEAKER_12]: These are listeners.
[28:08.530 --> 28:12.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, you know, a WBAI listener fest can get more than 200 people easily.
[28:13.050 --> 28:13.670]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, but...
[28:13.670 --> 28:14.210]  [SPEAKER_12]: And they're listeners.
[28:14.410 --> 28:17.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, but I don't think they're really into the equipment the way these people...
[28:17.470 --> 28:18.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you'd be surprised.
[28:18.630 --> 28:19.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: You'd be surprised.
[28:19.470 --> 28:21.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: A diverse interest of our listeners.
[28:21.050 --> 28:24.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure many of those little lights on the phone there are some of those people that...
[28:24.670 --> 28:24.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: True.
[28:25.450 --> 28:27.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, are calling to correct us on something.
[28:27.410 --> 28:31.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, to continue with this description, it is a nice way to break out of the doldrums of the Northern Hemisphere winter.
[28:31.790 --> 28:32.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: If only.
[28:32.990 --> 28:35.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: If only we had gotten one this year, we would be breaking out of those doldrums.
[28:36.790 --> 28:39.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: Broadcast representatives, clubs, and vendors attend.
[28:39.830 --> 28:43.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, again, that's the SWL Winterfest this March...
[28:43.850 --> 28:46.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: This Friday and Saturday, March 8th and 9th, Kulpsville,, Pennsylvania.
[28:47.510 --> 28:50.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: More details, swlfest.com.
[28:51.430 --> 28:54.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: And just to give you an idea of some of the things that are being talked about.
[28:55.850 --> 28:57.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: Intro to SWL slash DXing.
[28:57.950 --> 28:59.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: Not for beginners only.
[28:59.190 --> 29:00.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: Inside your radio.
[29:01.010 --> 29:02.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: Who needs shortwave?
[29:02.930 --> 29:04.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: The year in pirate radio.
[29:06.890 --> 29:08.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: Broadcasters forum, the year in shortwave.
[29:08.730 --> 29:10.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: The story of jazz in shortwave.
[29:10.410 --> 29:11.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess most of this has to do with shortwave.
[29:12.030 --> 29:13.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: So maybe it's the biggest shortwave.
[29:14.030 --> 29:17.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: SWL, doesn't it sound like shortwave whatever L is?
[29:17.170 --> 29:17.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[29:18.850 --> 29:19.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's...
[29:19.250 --> 29:20.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, SWL.
[29:20.310 --> 29:21.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: I wish I knew exactly what it stood for.
[29:21.850 --> 29:22.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: Shortwave length?
[29:22.730 --> 29:23.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe something like that.
[29:23.810 --> 29:25.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're definitely going to get calls on this one.
[29:25.970 --> 29:29.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: And Kim Elliott from the Voice of America will be giving a talk.
[29:30.070 --> 29:30.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: Ick.
[29:30.370 --> 29:35.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, he's out of his show, Kim Elliott.
[29:35.930 --> 29:36.630]  [SPEAKER_17]: What show is this?
[29:36.630 --> 29:41.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: It was a VOA show that was not political.
[29:41.830 --> 29:42.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: I forget...
[29:43.370 --> 29:47.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: There's that guy out in Oklahoma who does a show about shortwave.
[29:47.390 --> 29:47.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: Mm-hmm.
[29:49.290 --> 29:50.910]  [SPEAKER_14]: Bauer, I think his name is.
[29:51.110 --> 29:51.310]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[29:51.570 --> 29:52.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: Or maybe...
[29:52.090 --> 29:53.170]  [SPEAKER_14]: Somebody...
[29:53.170 --> 29:54.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: Maybe I'm the only one who listens to this stuff.
[29:55.990 --> 29:59.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: But Kim Elliott did a program.
[29:59.570 --> 30:04.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: It was broadcast on like WWCR and also WBCQ.
[30:05.950 --> 30:06.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[30:06.250 --> 30:07.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: It was a very interesting show.
[30:07.590 --> 30:09.270]  [SPEAKER_14]: I wish I could remember any of it.
[30:09.370 --> 30:10.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's gone now.
[30:10.810 --> 30:11.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: They took him off the air?
[30:11.690 --> 30:12.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: But Kim Elliott...
[30:12.810 --> 30:15.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm not sure how it happened that he went off the air.
[30:15.470 --> 30:20.810]  [SPEAKER_14]: This is not like some Christmas coup kind of thing.
[30:20.810 --> 30:23.950]  [SPEAKER_14]: I think he just left that show and he was...
[30:23.950 --> 30:29.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you can find out the story by going down to the WL Winterfest and asking directly.
[30:29.270 --> 30:32.250]  [SPEAKER_14]: He'll be asked about it and he'll give the answer without being asked, I'm sure.
[30:32.450 --> 30:32.690]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[30:32.890 --> 30:35.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe more than 200 people will even show up to ask the questions.
[30:35.650 --> 30:36.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[30:36.090 --> 30:37.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Our phone number, 202-209-2900.
[30:37.790 --> 30:40.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I can't help but notice that the lines are doing weird, wacky things today.
[30:40.670 --> 30:41.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're...
[30:41.670 --> 30:43.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are they always doing weird, wacky things?
[30:43.210 --> 30:45.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: They tend to, but this is the thing.
[30:45.490 --> 30:48.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: This only happens a few times where, of course, we haven't taken phone calls for a month.
[30:48.630 --> 30:55.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: So it starts off on line one and hops to line two and then goes all the way up to line 12 and then disappears someplace we don't know where it is.
[30:55.510 --> 30:59.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: And if that happens to you, you might not know what's happening to you.
[30:59.450 --> 31:01.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: And other people, sometimes they get disconnected.
[31:02.210 --> 31:03.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll try to get to everybody.
[31:03.970 --> 31:04.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right?
[31:04.350 --> 31:05.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll try to do that.
[31:05.350 --> 31:09.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: And make your comments as brief as possible and as, you know, poignant as possible as well.
[31:10.030 --> 31:11.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take the first listener phone call.
[31:12.030 --> 31:12.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: Who could it be?
[31:12.650 --> 31:12.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening.
[31:13.070 --> 31:13.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're on the air.
[31:13.830 --> 31:16.930]  [SPEAKER_15]: The person who sent you email saying that there's not going to be...
[31:16.930 --> 31:17.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: Hold on.
[31:17.330 --> 31:18.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: One second, one second.
[31:18.730 --> 31:20.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: With Rebel, we made the deal.
[31:20.530 --> 31:23.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was... he had to not annoy us for 30 days.
[31:24.110 --> 31:25.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I remember...
[31:25.270 --> 31:26.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, wait.
[31:26.750 --> 31:27.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was...
[31:28.030 --> 31:29.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was late January, wasn't it?
[31:30.230 --> 31:31.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's allowed now.
[31:31.090 --> 31:32.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was January 29th.
[31:32.170 --> 31:32.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.
[31:32.990 --> 31:33.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: I have this written down.
[31:33.730 --> 31:34.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: January 29th.
[31:35.270 --> 31:36.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: So 30 days...
[31:36.370 --> 31:37.510]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he certainly made it.
[31:37.550 --> 31:38.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: He certainly was.
[31:38.010 --> 31:38.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: He made it.
[31:38.570 --> 31:40.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't 30 business days or anything.
[31:40.250 --> 31:41.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, you didn't say that.
[31:41.650 --> 31:43.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: We should at least take the question.
[31:43.290 --> 31:43.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[31:43.530 --> 31:44.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, he hasn't annoyed me.
[31:44.650 --> 31:48.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure if we said that he had to annoy anybody.
[31:49.010 --> 31:49.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's give him a chance.
[31:49.850 --> 31:50.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[31:50.110 --> 31:50.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: So he hasn't annoyed you, obviously.
[31:51.090 --> 31:53.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: He hasn't been above a base level, all right?
[31:53.870 --> 31:54.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: Are those people out in the hallway?
[31:54.830 --> 31:55.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: So I think that's fair.
[31:55.850 --> 31:56.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: Have you been...
[31:56.330 --> 31:56.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[31:56.870 --> 31:57.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now they're shaking their heads.
[31:57.710 --> 31:58.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: They haven't been annoyed.
[31:58.830 --> 31:59.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: Claude, you're okay?
[31:59.730 --> 32:00.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: Mike, you're okay?
[32:00.310 --> 32:00.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm all right.
[32:01.390 --> 32:02.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the old poignant he is.
[32:02.770 --> 32:03.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Rebel, you're cleared.
[32:03.810 --> 32:04.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead, speak.
[32:04.650 --> 32:04.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[32:05.010 --> 32:07.670]  [SPEAKER_15]: Now, the person that sent you email saying that there's not going to be another march...
[32:07.670 --> 32:09.010]  [SPEAKER_15]: It's just an advertisement.
[32:09.210 --> 32:10.370]  [SPEAKER_15]: They're trying to sell you something.
[32:10.590 --> 32:10.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: Who?
[32:10.890 --> 32:11.010]  [SPEAKER_02]: What?
[32:11.070 --> 32:11.230]  [SPEAKER_02]: Where?
[32:11.450 --> 32:12.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the March 5th thing.
[32:12.890 --> 32:13.050]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[32:13.490 --> 32:15.650]  [SPEAKER_15]: Didn't you notice that there was an advertisement?
[32:15.950 --> 32:16.830]  [SPEAKER_02]: An advertisement for what?
[32:17.370 --> 32:18.390]  [SPEAKER_15]: It was an advertisement.
[32:18.530 --> 32:19.610]  [SPEAKER_15]: That person who sent you email.
[32:21.050 --> 32:22.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: What person sent me email?
[32:22.270 --> 32:23.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: Please, give me more details than this.
[32:23.570 --> 32:24.870]  [SPEAKER_15]: What you said on the beginning of the show.
[32:24.970 --> 32:27.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: The thing that said March 5th, 2002 will never come again.
[32:27.510 --> 32:28.450]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, yes, yes.
[32:29.730 --> 32:30.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: What's it an advertisement for?
[32:31.470 --> 32:36.150]  [SPEAKER_15]: I don't know, but some company is trying to get you to sell, you know, trying to sell you something.
[32:36.630 --> 32:39.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I think this was just someone trying to get me to appreciate the day.
[32:39.670 --> 32:40.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's never going to happen again.
[32:40.730 --> 32:41.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what it was.
[32:41.750 --> 32:42.370]  [SPEAKER_15]: Of course it's...
[32:42.370 --> 32:42.690]  [SPEAKER_15]: What do you mean?
[32:42.910 --> 32:44.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's never going to happen again.
[32:44.010 --> 32:46.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: March 5th, 2002 will not occur again.
[32:46.150 --> 32:46.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you miss it...
[32:46.890 --> 32:47.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Of course not.
[32:47.230 --> 32:47.950]  [SPEAKER_03]: You've missed it.
[32:48.050 --> 32:49.950]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, no, that was Spielberg at the end of AI.
[32:50.450 --> 32:51.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: Spielberg didn't send me mail.
[32:51.610 --> 32:54.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, but he tried to get you to appreciate the day sort of thing.
[32:55.470 --> 32:57.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: I wish Kubrick had made that film.
[32:57.130 --> 32:58.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: I really do, but never mind that.
[32:58.710 --> 33:04.610]  [SPEAKER_15]: Just like anything else, it's like, you know, everybody's taking the American flag and turning it into a corporate logo.
[33:04.850 --> 33:06.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, those are pretty strong words coming from you, Rebel.
[33:07.010 --> 33:11.450]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, just like the term God bless America and United we stand, they're just corporate logos.
[33:11.570 --> 33:21.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know, if you go up to one of those signs, right, that say God bless America, and you simply, by one way or another, remove the B, it says God bless America.
[33:21.490 --> 33:27.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, people really don't have a sense of humor about that, and it's sad when people don't know how to laugh anymore.
[33:27.010 --> 33:36.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, but, you know, there's an advertisement under it, there's a billboard that says United we stand, and then it says brought to you by AT&T Wireless, and then, you know, there's a...
[33:36.910 --> 33:41.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if we're so united, then I guess maybe we shouldn't be putting our corporate names underneath signs like that.
[33:41.970 --> 33:44.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's just donate the money anonymously to say something like that.
[33:44.630 --> 33:45.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: That would be nice.
[33:45.290 --> 33:49.370]  [SPEAKER_15]: Right, and then they have these things on the news that say, there's a terrorist scare.
[33:49.550 --> 33:51.870]  [SPEAKER_15]: To see the terrorists, visit our website.
[33:53.890 --> 33:56.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I like how the terrorist scares are planned.
[33:56.590 --> 34:01.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's going to be a terrorist scare on Thursday, because that's when the terrorists said that they were going to do something.
[34:01.370 --> 34:03.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, we can take their word for it.
[34:03.290 --> 34:05.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: Terrorists are going to, like, strike at a certain date, you know?
[34:05.390 --> 34:07.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: The whole point of terrorism is to surprise people.
[34:08.950 --> 34:12.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I don't know where this information is coming from, or what it means, if it means anything.
[34:12.810 --> 34:21.790]  [SPEAKER_15]: Well, it means that they want you to go to their website and see their annoying banner ads, which you have to get a faster computer for, because all these banner ads come up and crash your computer.
[34:21.790 --> 34:27.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think there is no method that is not, you're telling me to hurry up?
[34:27.830 --> 34:28.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
[34:28.230 --> 34:29.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: I tell you to hurry up.
[34:29.430 --> 34:30.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't tell me to hurry up.
[34:30.770 --> 34:32.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: No, no, he's not doing that to you.
[34:32.090 --> 34:33.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: He's doing the waving hand thing.
[34:33.330 --> 34:34.410]  [SPEAKER_14]: I know, I know what he's doing.
[34:35.050 --> 34:38.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: He's referring to another party to the conversation.
[34:38.050 --> 34:38.350]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
[34:38.550 --> 34:39.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you totally threw me off here.
[34:39.990 --> 34:49.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: But what I was saying was, any act against all this advertising, banner advertising, you know, the pop-under ads, they are so annoying.
[34:49.730 --> 34:52.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anything is justified to stop this.
[34:52.230 --> 34:53.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: I really do.
[34:53.330 --> 35:05.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, short of bloodshed, perhaps, it's just so incredibly annoying when you go someplace and you want to read, say, a news story, and you get three pop-under ads that you don't even find until later on when your, you know, desktop gets completely cluttered with garbage.
[35:05.890 --> 35:06.250]  [SPEAKER_15]: Right.
[35:06.430 --> 35:09.250]  [SPEAKER_15]: And when you call things now, they ask you if you have a Touch-Tone phone.
[35:09.930 --> 35:12.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I say no, but they usually continue asking.
[35:12.230 --> 35:14.410]  [SPEAKER_15]: No, but it's like, are you using a rotary phone?
[35:14.590 --> 35:16.150]  [SPEAKER_15]: Like, we're in America.
[35:16.150 --> 35:17.830]  [SPEAKER_15]: We have Touch-Tone phones here.
[35:17.830 --> 35:18.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but we also have rotary phones.
[35:19.150 --> 35:20.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a land of opportunity for all.
[35:21.730 --> 35:26.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, some of us might want to hold on to our rotary phones because they're so annoying to use Touch-Tones.
[35:26.710 --> 35:30.090]  [SPEAKER_15]: You know, the way things are going, I think I'd like to go back and have rotary phones.
[35:30.330 --> 35:31.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: And you do that.
[35:31.430 --> 35:31.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: You do that.
[35:31.910 --> 35:37.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: And when you get back there, you know, send us some messages from the land of rotary phones.
[35:37.350 --> 35:38.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: But thanks for calling, Rebel.
[35:38.370 --> 35:39.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to take some other phone calls.
[35:40.750 --> 35:43.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: Rotary phones, yeah, you know, the more the better, I think.
[35:43.430 --> 35:43.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening.
[35:43.970 --> 35:44.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're on the air.
[35:45.790 --> 35:46.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: Speak up.
[35:47.010 --> 35:48.930]  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is from WBI.
[35:49.190 --> 35:49.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, go ahead.
[35:49.870 --> 35:50.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're on the air.
[35:51.050 --> 35:51.850]  [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, how are you doing?
[35:52.050 --> 35:52.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good, how are you?
[35:52.750 --> 35:53.070]  [SPEAKER_00]: Finally.
[35:53.650 --> 35:54.530]  [SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing, Abo?
[35:54.530 --> 35:56.050]  [SPEAKER_00]: I live right by the area.
[35:56.750 --> 35:58.970]  [SPEAKER_00]: I have two questions and one comment.
[35:59.230 --> 36:02.170]  [SPEAKER_00]: The comment is about freedom downtime.
[36:02.630 --> 36:02.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[36:03.130 --> 36:03.530]  [SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[36:04.830 --> 36:05.950]  [SPEAKER_00]: People keep going.
[36:06.210 --> 36:10.050]  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the way how you can tell how America's justice can be.
[36:10.450 --> 36:13.210]  [SPEAKER_00]: I had the same problem not too long ago.
[36:14.190 --> 36:21.470]  [SPEAKER_00]: And my other question is, I turned my radio a little late when somebody was talking about the Metro cars.
[36:21.910 --> 36:23.510]  [SPEAKER_00]: I have a little question about that.
[36:25.330 --> 36:28.430]  [SPEAKER_00]: How little machines and the buses work?
[36:28.670 --> 36:30.490]  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they keep the whole data.
[36:30.750 --> 36:31.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a good question.
[36:31.710 --> 36:36.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: You want to know, how does the data get from the buses, which aren't plugged in, to the system?
[36:37.110 --> 36:51.930]  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but, I mean, the machine keeps the whole data until the bus is, like, off work, and then they're plugging in with somebody else, or this is, like, a wireless thing?
[36:52.110 --> 36:54.330]  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Jim, can you answer a question like that without being indicted?
[36:54.850 --> 36:56.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's an excellent question.
[36:56.530 --> 36:58.110]  [SPEAKER_12]: Can I answer a question like that without being indicted?
[36:58.290 --> 36:58.290]  That question?
[36:58.290 --> 36:59.310]  [SPEAKER_17]: No, the guy's question.
[36:59.310 --> 37:00.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: The guy's question.
[37:00.490 --> 37:12.330]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, what I know from public sources, the newspapers, the good thing about MetroCards is that the information is both sent through the system and written to the card.
[37:12.510 --> 37:16.310]  [SPEAKER_12]: Not identical, but similar, and in some cases overlapping information.
[37:16.310 --> 37:22.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: So, yeah, the information that the bus farebox takes is kept until the bus gets back to the terminal.
[37:24.790 --> 37:37.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: But there's enough information written to your card so that you can then use your card to transfer onto a subway that it takes the correct amount off the card, barring unforeseen glitches and all that.
[37:37.630 --> 37:43.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: It takes the correct amount off the card, it registers the use, the time, and all that.
[37:43.790 --> 37:50.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: But, so, yeah, there's two sets of data, some of which overlaps, and it generally works.
[37:51.050 --> 37:52.350]  [SPEAKER_17]: What about the hole in the card?
[37:52.430 --> 37:53.050]  [SPEAKER_17]: Is that for buses?
[37:53.930 --> 38:00.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's for buses and for the reader-writer in the booth that makes it go up and down.
[38:00.410 --> 38:01.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but what does it do?
[38:01.450 --> 38:02.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: It latches onto that hole or something?
[38:02.850 --> 38:08.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, there's a little prong in a conveyor belt sort of thing that puts it down and brings it back up.
[38:08.470 --> 38:09.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, you had another question, caller.
[38:10.210 --> 38:22.030]  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my question is, now that I live around the area where the radio station is, is there any way that I can go into the studio where you are doing the transmission?
[38:22.490 --> 38:25.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you want to know if you can come into the radio station while we're doing the transmission?
[38:25.250 --> 38:30.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, people are welcome in the radio station, unlike in the past year.
[38:31.950 --> 38:45.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: We, you know, you're welcome to drop by, but during the broadcast it does get a bit hectic, so, you know, you're welcome to visit, but we try not to encourage hundreds if not thousands of people from actually being out there.
[38:45.470 --> 38:47.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, the space gets a little cramped.
[38:47.790 --> 38:51.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: On the other hand, if there are any groupies out there, I may entertain that idea.
[38:51.630 --> 38:53.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, that's something to talk to Jim about.
[38:53.790 --> 38:59.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, not particularly this caller, nothing against you, but you don't really sound like my type.
[38:59.450 --> 39:01.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, you don't give things a chance, Jim.
[39:03.570 --> 39:06.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: 212-209-2900 is our phone number.
[39:06.770 --> 39:09.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: And anyone who wants to speak to Jim, let's call us after the show.
[39:10.670 --> 39:11.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: Arrange all that.
[39:11.750 --> 39:13.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a phone call up here.
[39:13.090 --> 39:13.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[39:14.310 --> 39:14.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: Hello.
[39:14.870 --> 39:15.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: How you doing?
[39:15.350 --> 39:16.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: How you doing this evening?
[39:16.850 --> 39:18.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, pretty good overall.
[39:18.890 --> 39:19.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: The music.
[39:20.050 --> 39:20.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: The music.
[39:20.690 --> 39:21.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[39:21.470 --> 39:21.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: The music.
[39:21.910 --> 39:24.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: Is this the remixes of the theme from Hackers?
[39:25.370 --> 39:25.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
[39:25.830 --> 39:28.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, actually, by this, do you mean what we're listening to right now?
[39:28.890 --> 39:29.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, because that's totally different.
[39:29.950 --> 39:30.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, what you're playing before.
[39:30.710 --> 39:33.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: No, it was not remixes from Hackers.
[39:33.390 --> 39:33.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
[39:33.610 --> 39:34.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: Not by a long shot.
[39:35.030 --> 39:35.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: No.
[39:36.250 --> 39:37.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: Jeopardy Jim says no.
[39:39.570 --> 39:41.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: Any other points or questions?
[39:41.150 --> 39:42.110]  [SPEAKER_02]: We lost the bell from the fun guys.
[39:42.110 --> 39:43.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, but I have a question for Jim.
[39:43.550 --> 39:43.810]  [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.
[39:44.470 --> 39:49.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: Without being arrested and indicted, can you tell me anything about these student Metro cards?
[39:49.950 --> 39:50.690]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, no.
[39:51.110 --> 39:53.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: I really can't.
[39:53.370 --> 39:55.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: And, in fact, I'm not going to explain why.
[39:55.850 --> 39:56.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: Sorry.
[39:57.430 --> 39:58.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that's intriguing.
[39:58.490 --> 40:00.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you might have explained a lot by saying that.
[40:00.410 --> 40:02.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, well, okay, I'll explain why.
[40:02.550 --> 40:03.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know.
[40:03.730 --> 40:03.950]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[40:04.310 --> 40:05.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, that's a fair answer, I guess.
[40:05.610 --> 40:06.950]  [SPEAKER_12]: I was trying to be mysterious.
[40:07.150 --> 40:10.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, caller, is there something about these student Metro cards that piques your interest?
[40:10.910 --> 40:12.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, I'm just, you know, I have one.
[40:12.930 --> 40:16.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: I get one every semester.
[40:17.190 --> 40:17.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh-huh.
[40:17.630 --> 40:19.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just wondering how they work.
[40:19.250 --> 40:22.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: Well, let me ask you some questions, because I know nothing about this.
[40:22.030 --> 40:22.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, let's turn the tables here.
[40:24.270 --> 40:28.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: Now, this is good for a certain number of rides per day, or is it good for...
[40:28.250 --> 40:30.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's good for three rides with transfers.
[40:30.950 --> 40:31.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[40:32.970 --> 40:34.170]  [SPEAKER_12]: Does it limit you...
[40:34.170 --> 40:34.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: Until 8 o'clock.
[40:35.170 --> 40:36.550]  [SPEAKER_12]: What time does it start in the morning?
[40:36.830 --> 40:38.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think 5 in the morning.
[40:38.870 --> 40:39.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh-huh.
[40:39.410 --> 40:41.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: And you can use it anywhere?
[40:41.050 --> 40:41.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: You're not restricted?
[40:42.210 --> 40:43.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: Or have you not tried?
[40:43.430 --> 40:43.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: No.
[40:44.850 --> 40:48.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not restricted, but there's a half-fair card, I believe.
[40:48.630 --> 40:50.310]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, yeah, there is.
[40:50.370 --> 40:52.750]  [SPEAKER_12]: There's more than one type of card, as far as I know.
[40:52.870 --> 40:56.890]  [SPEAKER_12]: There are certain cards that actually give you two rides.
[40:56.890 --> 41:00.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: They seem to act like a normal MetroCard, except they're student-only.
[41:00.810 --> 41:06.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know if anyone has noticed, but there are lights on the turnstiles that light up different color if you're...
[41:06.090 --> 41:06.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I've noticed that.
[41:06.910 --> 41:07.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right.
[41:07.370 --> 41:12.650]  [SPEAKER_12]: Student, employee or police, and elderly or handicapped.
[41:12.830 --> 41:13.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: Right.
[41:13.250 --> 41:13.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: Three different lights.
[41:13.890 --> 41:15.210]  [SPEAKER_17]: It lights up, but who looks at the light?
[41:15.790 --> 41:16.510]  [SPEAKER_12]: The police.
[41:16.750 --> 41:18.010]  [SPEAKER_17]: The police are looking at the lights.
[41:18.010 --> 41:33.310]  [SPEAKER_12]: That black matted glass surface towards the upper part of the turnstile has three rectangular bars of light, different colors, red, whitish, and green.
[41:33.510 --> 41:36.490]  [SPEAKER_12]: And depending on what you are, it's a different color.
[41:36.910 --> 41:39.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: So green is a normal color?
[41:39.650 --> 41:44.090]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, there's no color for a normal MetroCard, either paper-wide or unlimited.
[41:44.730 --> 41:49.710]  [SPEAKER_12]: But for students, for employees, for police, for handicapped, for elderly.
[41:49.850 --> 41:51.310]  [SPEAKER_17]: And where is this beam of light?
[41:51.490 --> 41:52.590]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's not a beam of light.
[41:52.590 --> 41:56.890]  [SPEAKER_12]: It's a light behind a colored piece of plastic.
[41:57.230 --> 41:57.530]  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[41:58.110 --> 41:59.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, and the buses, it's behind the driver.
[41:59.970 --> 42:00.790]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can see it.
[42:00.790 --> 42:06.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: I never realized, I never really thought what, realized what the purpose of it was, because who's on the bus watching that?
[42:06.870 --> 42:07.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, well, I...
[42:07.850 --> 42:10.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: So the other passengers can take control and throw somebody off the bus?
[42:10.750 --> 42:11.770]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, no, no.
[42:11.890 --> 42:15.930]  [SPEAKER_12]: Sometimes, once in a while they'll have an undercover cop, but it's more, more common on the subways.
[42:16.570 --> 42:29.070]  [SPEAKER_12]: And, uh, you know, there are fair amounts, I'm not going to say a large amount, but enough so that it pops up every so often, of, uh, teachers or armed robbers or somebody using a card that they shouldn't have.
[42:29.230 --> 42:30.890]  [SPEAKER_12]: They just busted a teacher a couple months ago.
[42:30.970 --> 42:31.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: Armed robbers can use a MetroCard.
[42:32.050 --> 42:32.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[42:32.670 --> 42:33.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, I guess.
[42:33.110 --> 42:33.710]  [SPEAKER_12]: They've got to get somewhere.
[42:34.030 --> 42:36.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, wait, there's one point here I had a question about.
[42:36.510 --> 42:38.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you say it doesn't work after 8 o'clock at night?
[42:38.950 --> 42:41.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: Nope, and that's a big problem.
[42:41.430 --> 42:45.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, what if you have, like, super detention and you get stuck until, like, 9 o'clock or something?
[42:45.290 --> 42:46.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, that does happen.
[42:46.390 --> 42:46.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[42:51.230 --> 42:53.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's, well, okay, that's just, that's kind of baffling.
[42:53.730 --> 42:55.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: And 5 o'clock is when it starts working.
[42:55.330 --> 42:55.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[42:55.930 --> 42:56.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Jim, you had another point?
[42:58.470 --> 42:58.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: Um...
[42:58.830 --> 42:59.630]  [SPEAKER_12]: I thought you did.
[42:59.790 --> 43:00.010]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[43:00.310 --> 43:04.230]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, yeah, we've determined, apparently, that this thing is unrestricted.
[43:04.350 --> 43:07.130]  [SPEAKER_12]: You can use it on any bus to start, any subway to start.
[43:07.570 --> 43:08.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yep, from my experience.
[43:09.370 --> 43:09.830]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, okay.
[43:09.990 --> 43:10.150]  [SPEAKER_12]: Interesting.
[43:10.150 --> 43:10.850]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, any other points?
[43:11.510 --> 43:12.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, not really.
[43:12.490 --> 43:13.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, thanks for calling.
[43:13.310 --> 43:13.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: No problem.
[43:14.090 --> 43:16.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, Autojack, we've been riding subways quite a bit.
[43:16.610 --> 43:19.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: If we have Jim here, is there anything we want to ask him?
[43:19.230 --> 43:20.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: Because we've studied the subways.
[43:20.930 --> 43:23.190]  [SPEAKER_04]: It's almost like a, you know...
[43:23.190 --> 43:25.610]  [SPEAKER_04]: I can't think of anything I really want to ask Jim.
[43:25.850 --> 43:26.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, he's here.
[43:26.890 --> 43:27.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: If I think of anything, I'll...
[43:27.730 --> 43:28.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: He's only here until 9 o'clock.
[43:28.910 --> 43:29.570]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll pipe up here.
[43:30.070 --> 43:30.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[43:31.050 --> 43:31.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take another phone call.
[43:31.950 --> 43:33.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening, you're on the air.
[43:34.470 --> 43:35.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: Speak up, please.
[43:36.070 --> 43:36.670]  [SPEAKER_16]: Hi, how's it going?
[43:36.910 --> 43:37.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, how are you?
[43:37.950 --> 43:38.650]  [SPEAKER_16]: It's going well.
[43:38.730 --> 43:41.890]  [SPEAKER_16]: I just wanted to give you guys an update on an article that you covered a little while ago.
[43:41.990 --> 43:42.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[43:42.690 --> 43:43.830]  [SPEAKER_16]: I live in Hartford, Connecticut.
[43:44.110 --> 43:44.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh-huh.
[43:44.450 --> 43:47.250]  [SPEAKER_16]: And we're talking about the Acme rental car guys there.
[43:47.450 --> 43:48.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, all right.
[43:49.290 --> 43:50.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: The speeding ticket, right?
[43:50.930 --> 43:51.790]  [SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, they lost.
[43:52.290 --> 43:53.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: I heard about that.
[43:53.470 --> 43:54.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: I heard about that, yes.
[43:54.890 --> 43:56.390]  [SPEAKER_16]: Well, I do a public access TV show.
[43:56.470 --> 44:00.990]  [SPEAKER_16]: I sent you guys a couple of emails back and forth, and we've actually gone down and listened to some of it.
[44:01.090 --> 44:03.990]  [SPEAKER_16]: Their lawyer, first of all, is really hilarious, to say the least.
[44:04.230 --> 44:05.210]  [SPEAKER_16]: He's really clueless.
[44:06.130 --> 44:17.430]  [SPEAKER_16]: But actually, not only are they losing, and they're going to try to appeal it, but they're supposed to be paying back over $13,000 that was collected so far on this.
[44:17.430 --> 44:28.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, what we're talking about are speeding tickets that were issued to customers who rented cars, and they weren't aware of it, but they were getting speeding, not speeding tickets, but basically fines by the company itself.
[44:28.430 --> 44:28.870]  [SPEAKER_16]: Right.
[44:28.990 --> 44:29.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: That was tracking them.
[44:30.050 --> 44:41.630]  [SPEAKER_16]: And what their argument essentially was, was that there's all kinds of damage to a car when you speed, which, as all of us know, is actually, when you go over 55, 60 miles an hour, it's less damage on a highway than it is driving city streets, et cetera.
[44:42.310 --> 44:51.030]  [SPEAKER_16]: But what the real crux of the whole thing was, they spent over $2,000 per car to put these devices in there, and it turns out to be a great way for them to collect money to pay for these devices.
[44:51.170 --> 44:53.230]  [SPEAKER_16]: And I began to pay for that stuff.
[44:53.370 --> 44:58.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: I believe that the ruling, though, said that the fee wasn't unjustified, it was just excessive.
[44:58.650 --> 44:59.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: Was that what it said?
[44:59.210 --> 45:13.510]  [SPEAKER_16]: Well, at the extent of the actual damage of driving a car from one of the big reports was over 79 miles an hour, like they say, was about 34, 38 cents per mile, and they were charging $150 per violation.
[45:14.490 --> 45:14.910]  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[45:15.110 --> 45:17.950]  [SPEAKER_16]: So that was a little bit excessive by a few thousand percent.
[45:18.850 --> 45:22.950]  [SPEAKER_16]: One other thing was, you were talking about Senator Hollings and his astonishment a little bit earlier.
[45:23.610 --> 45:29.950]  [SPEAKER_16]: Don't forget, this is a guy that wants to put a chip in every electronic device that we own with the SSSCA.
[45:30.710 --> 45:38.010]  [SPEAKER_16]: And he has no idea why everybody wants to cause a stir over the privacy over some of the tracks music that we listen to and all that stuff nowadays.
[45:39.590 --> 45:41.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: There is no good.
[45:41.330 --> 45:47.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's only like, you know, not so, you know, a few points of enlightenment, but not very many of them.
[45:47.390 --> 45:47.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
[45:48.050 --> 45:52.790]  [SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, one thing I'd like to say is I encourage everybody to listen to the show and listen to some of these topics.
[45:52.910 --> 45:56.490]  [SPEAKER_16]: I know from our standpoint here in Hartford, people say, well, why do you talk about these issues?
[45:57.510 --> 45:58.330]  [SPEAKER_16]: We're hearing so much about them.
[45:58.390 --> 46:05.330]  [SPEAKER_16]: But once we lose these freedoms gradually, which is actually happening with all the legislation going on right now, it's getting really, really deep.
[46:05.450 --> 46:10.230]  [SPEAKER_16]: And I still want to say that Miss Isaac is really great on the show and hopefully someday he'll be back.
[46:10.650 --> 46:10.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[46:11.010 --> 46:13.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's appearing in cabaret in various places around the city.
[46:13.910 --> 46:17.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: But we'll check with the arts people on that.
[46:17.870 --> 46:18.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: But thanks for calling.
[46:19.370 --> 46:29.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there are all kinds of legislations and laws and bills coming down, coming at us.
[46:29.810 --> 46:36.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: And this country is a radically different place than it was even 20 years ago as far as what's free and what's not.
[46:36.750 --> 46:37.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's barricades everywhere.
[46:37.930 --> 46:38.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's guards everywhere.
[46:38.870 --> 46:39.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: There's metal detectors.
[46:40.430 --> 46:40.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Starbucks.
[46:41.150 --> 46:42.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: And do you feel any safer?
[46:42.750 --> 46:43.350]  You know?
[46:43.870 --> 46:45.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: I was telling people before, I'm afraid.
[46:45.890 --> 46:47.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: I've never been in a Starbucks in my life.
[46:47.770 --> 46:49.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's something I'm very proud of.
[46:49.150 --> 47:01.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I realize now that with the utter predominance of them in the landscape, I might very well one day walk into a Starbucks without realizing it because they're taking on protective coloration and things like that.
[47:01.530 --> 47:04.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't count the ones in Barnes & Noble because that's part of another chain.
[47:05.090 --> 47:06.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't really go there anyway.
[47:06.930 --> 47:09.490]  [SPEAKER_03]: But you got to be really careful these days.
[47:10.210 --> 47:10.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[47:10.630 --> 47:12.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: We have this piece.
[47:16.270 --> 47:16.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[47:16.670 --> 47:18.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: This is concerning something we talked about before.
[47:19.150 --> 47:21.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about the changing landscape of the country.
[47:22.290 --> 47:25.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: All the security measures at the Groundhog Day celebrations.
[47:25.190 --> 47:29.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: This person wrote us a letter saying, I'm not sure if you heard about Groundhog Day, so I'll fill you in.
[47:29.730 --> 47:33.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: You said you heard there were going to be metal detectors there.
[47:33.170 --> 47:34.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: There were no metal detectors.
[47:34.870 --> 47:41.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: It would have been damn near impossible because 38,000 people came to that tiny little town, most of which were college students.
[47:41.470 --> 47:43.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like an early spring break.
[47:43.950 --> 47:53.390]  [SPEAKER_03]: What they did do was have a buttload of state troopers there with maybe 10 in town the night before, and I estimate around 40 to 50 on February 2nd.
[47:53.530 --> 47:56.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: There were unarmed National Guardsmen there to augment some sort of security.
[47:57.230 --> 48:02.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, but I was active Army for a few years and National Guardsmen for a year, and I know firsthand they are a joke.
[48:02.830 --> 48:17.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to be too nasty here, but I do seem to hear that quite a bit as far as basically people who don't get very much training are being given big guns and told to stand guard over things, and it's kind of frightening and unfair to them as well.
[48:17.970 --> 48:22.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyways, the only time they really did anything was when people got on the buses going to see the groundhog.
[48:23.130 --> 48:27.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: State troopers and the guards were searching bags, and I heard some were doing bodily searches.
[48:29.450 --> 48:31.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: So that was written by Taz.
[48:31.370 --> 48:32.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks very much for sending that in.
[48:32.710 --> 48:35.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: The security measures surrounding Groundhog Day.
[48:35.350 --> 48:35.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[48:35.670 --> 48:36.910]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are they protecting the groundhog?
[48:36.910 --> 48:42.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: Are they protecting the people, or just giving some sort of show of force?
[48:42.870 --> 48:43.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[48:44.010 --> 48:46.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: 212-209-2900 is our phone number.
[48:46.230 --> 48:46.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening.
[48:46.770 --> 48:47.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're on the air.
[48:48.290 --> 48:48.590]  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, yeah.
[48:48.690 --> 48:54.430]  [SPEAKER_07]: The shortwave program you were talking about before is Glenn Hauser's DXing with Cumbra.
[48:54.430 --> 48:54.710]  [SPEAKER_14]: Quite.
[48:54.850 --> 48:55.650]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, Glenn Hauser.
[48:55.750 --> 48:56.190]  [SPEAKER_14]: Glenn Hauser.
[48:56.270 --> 48:58.510]  [SPEAKER_07]: DXing with Cumbra, and it's on a couple times.
[48:58.510 --> 49:04.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: It's on 7.415 VCQ on Saturday at 7, or that's 7 p.m.
[49:05.150 --> 49:10.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: Glenn Hauser's program was also on WPKN in Bridgeport on Saturday afternoons, and I've listened to that many times.
[49:10.510 --> 49:14.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a fascinating program all about shortwave radio and various things that are going on.
[49:14.350 --> 49:14.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's been on forever.
[49:15.170 --> 49:15.970]  [SPEAKER_07]: Excellent show, yeah.
[49:15.970 --> 49:16.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: And Kim Elliott.
[49:16.750 --> 49:18.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: What was the name of his program?
[49:18.670 --> 49:19.670]  [SPEAKER_14]: You probably know.
[49:19.790 --> 49:21.970]  [SPEAKER_03]: You have a real fascination with this Kim Elliott character, don't you?
[49:22.090 --> 49:25.710]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, because he just quit, and he's been on there for quite some time.
[49:25.890 --> 49:26.570]  [SPEAKER_14]: So people quit.
[49:26.630 --> 49:27.510]  [SPEAKER_14]: People quit all the time.
[49:27.670 --> 49:29.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, there are only two of these shortwave programs around.
[49:29.850 --> 49:32.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, if you know who Kim Elliott is, let us know.
[49:32.170 --> 49:34.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, we're done with that.
[49:34.450 --> 49:36.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, we're done with Kim Elliott for the night.
[49:36.190 --> 49:38.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: And if you have any further questions, go see him at the...
[49:38.790 --> 49:41.690]  [SPEAKER_12]: Unless you're a Kim Elliott expert, in which case, call in.
[49:41.790 --> 49:44.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: Kim Elliott is probably calling in right now, saying, why are you talking about me all the time?
[49:45.410 --> 49:46.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, thanks for that call.
[49:46.950 --> 49:47.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take another one.
[49:48.170 --> 49:49.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go over here.
[49:49.150 --> 49:49.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening.
[49:49.570 --> 49:50.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're on the air.
[49:51.570 --> 49:52.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: Speak up.
[49:52.210 --> 49:52.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're on.
[49:53.150 --> 49:54.750]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, good evening, Emmanuel.
[49:55.190 --> 49:56.430]  [SPEAKER_10]: I have a question to ask you.
[49:56.510 --> 50:00.810]  [SPEAKER_10]: When you were in Finland or Norway back in December to attend a conference...
[50:00.810 --> 50:02.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: It was Norway, and it wasn't to attend a conference.
[50:02.430 --> 50:04.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: I attended a conference in Germany, but yeah, go ahead.
[50:04.830 --> 50:06.030]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, Emmanuel.
[50:06.450 --> 50:07.970]  [SPEAKER_10]: What phone did you use?
[50:08.150 --> 50:13.630]  [SPEAKER_10]: Did you use the same phone over there as you did in the United States?
[50:13.690 --> 50:18.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I used a GSM phone, which has VoiceStream here in the United States.
[50:18.550 --> 50:25.810]  [SPEAKER_03]: But over in Europe, you can choose up to six different companies to use because they have competition over there with the GSM technology.
[50:26.390 --> 50:28.550]  [SPEAKER_10]: So what frequency did you use?
[50:28.830 --> 50:33.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, basically, the way it works is here, we use 1900.
[50:34.650 --> 50:36.190]  [SPEAKER_10]: And over there is 1800?
[50:36.290 --> 50:38.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: Over there, it's 1800 and also 900.
[50:39.230 --> 50:39.430]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[50:39.610 --> 50:39.850]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[50:39.850 --> 50:41.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's megahertz, of course.
[50:41.530 --> 50:47.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: They basically have a lot more frequencies to hand out.
[50:47.350 --> 50:50.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: But also, it's what every country in Europe uses.
[50:50.870 --> 50:53.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: So you're able to hand off a lot easier.
[50:53.470 --> 50:59.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: What we have to do here is we have to get a phone that's called a tri-band phone because you have three different bands, one for the United States and two for Europe.
[51:00.470 --> 51:00.710]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[51:01.170 --> 51:02.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's how you get the most out of it.
[51:02.790 --> 51:04.390]  [SPEAKER_10]: So what brand name did you use?
[51:04.490 --> 51:05.430]  [SPEAKER_10]: Nokia or Eric?
[51:05.490 --> 51:06.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: I have a Motorola.
[51:06.650 --> 51:08.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: I've used an Ericsson in the past, though.
[51:08.750 --> 51:09.130]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[51:09.350 --> 51:09.510]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[51:09.910 --> 51:11.130]  [SPEAKER_10]: Thanks very much, Emmanuel.
[51:11.470 --> 51:12.370]  [SPEAKER_10]: Thanks for calling.
[51:13.810 --> 51:21.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really kind of cool that you can take a phone from here and use it overseas and have it work exactly the same way, if not better, over there.
[51:21.370 --> 51:22.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: I've heard rumors.
[51:22.230 --> 51:29.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe people can fill these rumors in that competition might be coming to the United States in the world of GSM.
[51:30.350 --> 51:36.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: Someone told me that VoiceDream is opening up offices in California, which would mean that they'd be competing with PacBell.
[51:36.370 --> 51:45.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I've also heard that some other company, I forget the name of it, some other company is switching their network to GSM here on the East Coast.
[51:45.870 --> 51:48.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: If anyone knows more about this, we'd sure like to know more details.
[51:49.630 --> 51:51.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: 212-209-2900 is our phone number.
[51:52.450 --> 51:53.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're on the air.
[51:53.830 --> 51:55.210]  [SPEAKER_15]: Good evening, sir.
[51:55.830 --> 51:57.370]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'd like to mention...
[51:58.010 --> 51:59.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Rebel, you're really not fooling anybody.
[52:00.230 --> 52:01.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: Do you really think you're fooling us?
[52:01.750 --> 52:02.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're clenching your teeth.
[52:02.790 --> 52:04.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not good for you to do that.
[52:05.250 --> 52:06.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: You had your phone call this week.
[52:07.430 --> 52:07.930]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know?
[52:08.090 --> 52:09.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: This almost gets me angry.
[52:10.510 --> 52:10.990]  [SPEAKER_04]: All right?
[52:11.090 --> 52:11.630]  [SPEAKER_04]: We don't want to do that.
[52:11.630 --> 52:12.190]  [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, wait, wait.
[52:12.410 --> 52:17.570]  [SPEAKER_04]: I think I remember what company that was that we heard that was switching to GSM.
[52:17.650 --> 52:18.110]  [SPEAKER_04]: It was Singular, wasn't it?
[52:18.110 --> 52:18.570]  [SPEAKER_04]: It was Singular.
[52:18.610 --> 52:20.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I remember it at the same moment you remembered it.
[52:20.290 --> 52:20.790]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Singular.
[52:20.990 --> 52:21.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: I heard that thing as well.
[52:22.890 --> 52:23.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thanks.
[52:24.190 --> 52:26.590]  [SPEAKER_03]: So if anyone knows more about that, please let us know.
[52:27.350 --> 52:29.070]  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's go over here.
[52:29.270 --> 52:29.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: Good evening.
[52:29.590 --> 52:30.010]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're on the air.
[52:30.990 --> 52:31.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Speak up, please.
[52:32.330 --> 52:33.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, hi there.
[52:33.210 --> 52:33.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: My name is Gene.
[52:34.230 --> 52:34.930]  [SPEAKER_02]: Gene, how are you doing?
[52:35.270 --> 52:37.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, you're asking about Kim Elliott.
[52:38.170 --> 52:40.250]  [SPEAKER_13]: He works for the Voice of America.
[52:41.210 --> 52:45.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: And for a while he had another capacity in the organization.
[52:45.470 --> 52:48.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then he had a program called Communications World.
[52:48.890 --> 52:49.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: Quite.
[52:49.370 --> 52:50.130]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's it, yes.
[52:50.130 --> 53:04.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, he put out information regarding what's happening in the shortwave radio business all around the world, different countries, everything from what is being broadcast to equipment and so forth and so on.
[53:04.870 --> 53:06.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: It was kind of an all-around type program.
[53:06.770 --> 53:07.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: Very well done.
[53:07.930 --> 53:10.210]  [SPEAKER_03]: So what's the scoop with what happened to it?
[53:10.830 --> 53:17.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, VOA decided just to relinquish it and not broadcast it anymore.
[53:17.970 --> 53:21.810]  [SPEAKER_13]: And he's going on to a different position in the same organization.
[53:21.810 --> 53:23.350]  [SPEAKER_17]: So he's still with VOA.
[53:23.390 --> 53:24.850]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, he's still with VOA, yeah.
[53:25.270 --> 53:26.910]  [SPEAKER_12]: Oh, this wasn't some political scandal.
[53:27.370 --> 53:27.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: No, no, no.
[53:27.990 --> 53:29.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: Nothing like that, apparently.
[53:29.310 --> 53:44.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: You know, like the whole business in shortwave radio, like BBC, British Broadcasting, it's all changing, everybody's going over to the net, the web, and things are drying up in the shortwave radio business for a lot of things.
[53:44.290 --> 53:45.210]  [SPEAKER_14]: Does that really happen?
[53:45.490 --> 53:51.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: Do you know, are they just withdrawing from shortwave broadcasting?
[53:51.610 --> 53:59.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it seems that any corporations or even VOA, BBC has found it very expensive to operate these transmitters and all.
[54:00.350 --> 54:04.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, they're looking at it, it's the way to go, it's, you know.
[54:05.050 --> 54:08.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: Put it on the net, you know, go in that direction.
[54:08.330 --> 54:18.970]  [SPEAKER_13]: So the shortwave equipment, unless it's being bought up by other countries that do not have, you know, a net operation, it may continue.
[54:19.210 --> 54:28.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: But shortwave radio in the commercial line is kind of drying up, which is sad, really, because the thing about shortwave radio is you can put it in your pocket and take it with you.
[54:28.750 --> 54:30.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's right, you can't do that with the net, at least not now.
[54:30.930 --> 54:34.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, you've got to take, how are you going to take your computer with it, you know, most of the time, you know.
[54:35.430 --> 54:40.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: So you can be anywheres in the world, anywheres, really, and still pick up the information.
[54:40.330 --> 54:41.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's what's nice about it.
[54:41.390 --> 54:45.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: I got a question about your, I came up and sold downtime.
[54:46.110 --> 54:46.670]  [SPEAKER_03]: Freedom downtime.
[54:46.970 --> 54:49.110]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it was very good, well put together.
[54:49.310 --> 54:49.570]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, thanks.
[54:49.650 --> 54:50.770]  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that what people are going to call it for short?
[54:50.930 --> 54:51.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: Downtime?
[54:51.370 --> 54:52.230]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
[54:52.650 --> 54:54.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: I did have one question, though, on it.
[54:55.610 --> 54:58.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: At the end of the film, of course...
[54:58.350 --> 54:59.130]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, don't give it away.
[54:59.770 --> 55:00.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't give away the ending.
[55:01.030 --> 55:02.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people haven't seen it.
[55:02.410 --> 55:02.990]  [SPEAKER_03]: But go ahead.
[55:03.370 --> 55:06.110]  [SPEAKER_03]: Ask the question in a way that doesn't give away the ending.
[55:07.330 --> 55:08.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know how I can do it.
[55:09.530 --> 55:10.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: You got me.
[55:10.290 --> 55:10.510]  [SPEAKER_13]: All right.
[55:10.590 --> 55:11.250]  [SPEAKER_03]: How about this, then?
[55:11.310 --> 55:15.470]  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll tell people who haven't seen the film yet to turn down their radio for the next 30 seconds.
[55:15.590 --> 55:16.090]  [SPEAKER_03]: All right?
[55:16.770 --> 55:22.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: I was wondering, Kevin seems like he gave up because he was in the jail so long.
[55:22.750 --> 55:27.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, you're right about the fact he didn't get a swift trial.
[55:27.630 --> 55:28.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: He didn't get no trial.
[55:29.070 --> 55:29.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.
[55:29.550 --> 55:31.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, that's outrageous to hear something like that.
[55:31.990 --> 55:37.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, the thing is, if he had gone to trial and lost, he could be in jail for another 10 years.
[55:37.390 --> 55:38.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: He'd still be in jail now.
[55:38.270 --> 55:41.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: So he did what he had to do to get out of there, which I think makes a lot of sense.
[55:41.710 --> 55:42.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: I do, too.
[55:42.630 --> 55:45.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: I agree in what he did.
[55:45.130 --> 55:47.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: By the way, I work for the transit company down here in Philadelphia.
[55:47.670 --> 55:48.070]  [SPEAKER_17]: Oh, really?
[55:48.190 --> 55:48.410]  [SPEAKER_17]: SEPTA?
[55:48.770 --> 55:53.170]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, we have... we don't have as good of a system as you have in New York.
[55:53.590 --> 55:56.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: I've used the system up there, you know, using the MetroCardinal.
[55:57.050 --> 56:00.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it's very well, you know, it's a real good system.
[56:00.770 --> 56:02.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: We're very slow down here.
[56:03.030 --> 56:06.950]  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know what the thing that annoys me about SEPTA the most is trying to buy a token.
[56:07.050 --> 56:12.030]  [SPEAKER_03]: You have to buy two of them, and then there's somebody sitting in a booth whose only job is to tell you that they can't sell you a token.
[56:12.310 --> 56:12.550]  Yeah.
[56:12.890 --> 56:14.630]  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, what kind of system is that?
[56:15.170 --> 56:23.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, the other thing, too, is you can't buy, you can't buy, let's say, what you're, like the same as a MetroCard in New York.
[56:23.650 --> 56:30.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: We call them trans passes down here, or a trail pass, which they use on a regional rail, the commuter lines.
[56:31.310 --> 56:35.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: And New York, what I like about New York is you can buy it anywheres.
[56:35.910 --> 56:38.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: Down in Philadelphia, you've got to only buy it in certain places.
[56:39.190 --> 56:42.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: And up in New York, you can walk into almost any store and get it.
[56:42.850 --> 56:48.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it doesn't start, it's not activated until you get on the bus, you know, for the time, you know, those days.
[56:48.850 --> 56:58.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: I thought originally that they sold a complete new, you know, set of trans passes, or rather MetroCards up there.
[56:58.570 --> 57:01.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: But apparently it's activated by the fare box when you get on the bus at all.
[57:01.790 --> 57:02.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[57:02.830 --> 57:04.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: It gets activated as soon as you start using it.
[57:05.310 --> 57:08.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: We're out of time, but fascinating subjects you brought up, and thanks for calling.
[57:09.050 --> 57:09.350]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[57:09.530 --> 57:09.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Call again.
[57:10.010 --> 57:10.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: Take care.
[57:10.510 --> 57:10.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, wait, wait.
[57:10.950 --> 57:11.510]  [SPEAKER_03]: You can't forget.
[57:11.990 --> 57:12.890]  [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't forgotten anything.
[57:13.170 --> 57:13.610]  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, good.
[57:13.770 --> 57:14.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: The music.
[57:14.410 --> 57:22.310]  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what I'm going to say is, okay, the music that we were listening to before is something that I expect no American to know, because you're prevented from hearing it.
[57:22.370 --> 57:24.050]  [SPEAKER_03]: You're prevented from seeing what goes along with it.
[57:24.110 --> 57:31.650]  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about the theme music to the all-news channel known as BBC World, which really has a lot of interesting stuff on it 24 hours a day.
[57:31.790 --> 57:33.510]  [SPEAKER_03]: But you can't get it in this country.
[57:33.510 --> 57:34.750]  [SPEAKER_03]: You have to get it from Canada.
[57:35.650 --> 57:39.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: You have to get a Canadian satellite signal like I did.
[57:39.510 --> 57:40.450]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's my favorite song.
[57:40.530 --> 57:41.150]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a great song.
[57:41.310 --> 57:43.170]  [SPEAKER_03]: And now they've put out a CD with four mixes on it.
[57:43.210 --> 57:44.730]  [SPEAKER_11]: They have a CD of the theme music.
[57:44.750 --> 57:46.550]  [SPEAKER_03]: It's gotten so popular they had to put out a CD.
[57:46.790 --> 57:48.870]  [SPEAKER_03]: But people in the United States just don't know about it.
[57:48.950 --> 57:53.330]  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's something I think is sad, because it's a world perspective of what's going on all over the planet.
[57:54.510 --> 57:55.690]  [SPEAKER_03]: Ask your cable company, I guess.
[57:55.810 --> 57:56.830]  [SPEAKER_03]: Ask your satellite provider.
[57:56.890 --> 57:57.730]  [SPEAKER_03]: See if they'll actually do this.
[57:57.770 --> 57:58.530]  [SPEAKER_03]: It has no commercials.
[57:58.650 --> 57:59.270]  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that's the reason.
[57:59.270 --> 58:01.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: Jim, do you have an email address to give out?
[58:01.470 --> 58:02.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: I have an email address.
[58:03.310 --> 58:05.030]  [SPEAKER_12]: Red underscore balaclava.
[58:05.230 --> 58:09.410]  [SPEAKER_12]: B-A-L-A-C-L-A-V-A at hotmail.com.
[58:10.010 --> 58:12.530]  [SPEAKER_12]: If you're just playing on sending best wishes, please don't.
[58:12.550 --> 58:14.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: I'll get inundated, but thank you anyway.
[58:14.630 --> 58:24.990]  [SPEAKER_12]: And if you want to listen to old off-the-hooks and cull out what I've said to make sure I haven't said anything that's going to kill me, that is the sort of volunteer work that I could use.
[58:26.250 --> 58:34.370]  [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, everybody, for calling in, and thanks for people that give us all kinds of advice and information.
[58:34.810 --> 58:36.190]  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be back again next week.
[58:36.250 --> 58:39.410]  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll have all kinds of new stuff for you then, and we'll take more phone calls.
[58:39.630 --> 58:41.290]  [SPEAKER_03]: Until then, Emmanuel Goldstein, have yourselves a good night.