Congressman Udall calls the bill, with its amendments, a work in progress.
For Free Speech Radio News, I'm Leslie Clark in Albuquerque.
This is Free Speech Radio News. I'm Deepa Fernandez.
Thank you, Free Speech Radio News, always predictable.
This is Radio Station WBAI in New York, where the time is 7 o'clock, and that means it's time for Off The Hook.
For the best, expect the worst. I hope that's understood. One minute more.
This is Radio Station WBAI in New York.
I was later allowed to board the plane, the last man on, but was given a stern warning not to get in any trouble while in the U.S.
I was going to a science fiction convention for crying out loud. I hardly think I was a threat.
You don't know the half of it.
And finally, this letter. This is the first time you've been banned from Canada.
I have been denied access to Canada coming from Detroit for reasons of, quote, taking opportunities away from Canadian artists, unquote.
You see, we were playing a free show in Toronto. Simple as that. No entrance fee.
I've also been lucky enough to be profiled off the train when returning to the U.S. from Toronto on a different occasion
and grilled about why I've got vinyl records in my suitcase.
I like music was my only defense.
Unbelievable. And that comes from Tack. Thanks very much for that letter.
On this issue, there's an article in the Village Voice this week about...
You mean next week.
I mean if you walk down the street and pick up a copy of the Village Voice right now.
I'm just saying for the purpose of people listening on the archive, people listening on the archive,
today may be August, what is it, 26th, 27th?
28th.
28th. OK, I'm behind the times.
They're actually looking at the September issue of the Village Voice.
So people in the future, in the year 3000 or whatever, if you're accessing this on the net or whatever they call it then,
you need to look at the September, whatever, first week of September issue of the Village Voices. Go ahead.
Anyway, if you look at this issue, you'll see an article about asylum seekers from countries with repressive governments
trying to get from Buffalo into Canada and some changes in the law around these people.
People from repressive... our government or another government?
No, other government.
OK, people who are in the United States then.
People who are in the U.S. because it's easy to get a flight to the U.S., more so than Canada,
but actually want to be in Canada and seek asylum there and they're changing the laws.
I knew that monitor was a bad idea when they put it in.
But OK, if only this was television.
That's interesting though.
All right, now to our other feature which I'd like to get to.
Josh, I've been meaning to do this for a while.
This has been sitting around on my desk for literally months.
Since June, someone sent this in.
Do you know people are actually composing music and it's inspired by this particular radio show?
Did you know that?
Oh, that is so scary.
It's pretty scary, all right.
But this person sent us this CD and also a letter saying,
I've been listening to Off the Hook for a few months now via the net.
Back in April, one of your phone-in callers really inspired me on a CD-ROM project
I was creating for the postgraduate course I'm presently on.
And what we're going to do is play this particular track.
I don't know if the person wants to be identified.
In fact, I'm not even sure where this is from because it's such a weird address.
I think it's England, but there's no country given on it.
There's no indication of where this is.
And I threw out the envelope, so I don't know what the postmark is.
But in any event, this is a track from this CD called Static Information.
And I remember the phone call.
I remember it very vividly.
And if you want to hear that particular phone call, I think it's on our first show in April.
Take a listen to this track and we'll be right back.
Yeah.
I wanted to tell you a couple of things that they do.
They have a lot of information.
Static information.
Not like that computer.
I know you like computers.
Computers change the book.
Static information.
You take a book, you change the book.
Computers change the book.
Static information.
You take a book, you go to bed, you wake up the next morning, the book's right next to you.
Static information.
Okay. And that's the piece.
And we found out, thanks to Ken,
that that actually comes from England, right?
Yeah.
Okay. Where?
From Berkshire, which is.
Why is your mic?
Oh, there you go.
From a part of England called, the county is Berkshire
and not too far from London.
Okay. Well, thanks very much for clarifying that
and thanks to the person for sending that in.
Okay. We have another fascinating news story here
that just goes to show the direction
that things are going these days.
After dodging trademark and copyright errors
since its inception, the web's premier.com deadpool
has succumbed to legal pressure from offended websites.
Phil Kaplan's website that we can't say on the air,
it's the F word followed by edcompany.com,
a website that has gained fame
and some fortune collecting rumors
and reports of layoffs, closures,
and other.com fiascos,
found itself shut down for nearly two days
after our friends at the Ford Motor Company
complained to the site's hosting provider
about alleged trademark infringements.
Basically, the headlines on the site
were related to the Ford layoffs.
For example, a letter dated July 12th,
Ford lawyers said the headline on the website,
edcompany.com,
Ford, we're finding a job is job one,
was confusingly similar to Ford's advertising slogan,
Ford, we're quality is job one,
and they actually expected that to be taken off.
It's a headline, you know, it's not even a slogan.
It's basically, it's speech.
It's parody.
It's somebody speaking something on a website.
So, what happened was,
well, actually, why don't we just have Phil Kaplan
say it himself.
He's here in the studio.
How you doing?
Hey, what's up?
Welcome to, actually, is your mic on?
Hello, hello.
Yeah, you are.
Okay.
There's so many mics here.
Yeah, I mean, it's not even parody.
It's like, if the New York Times were writing an article,
let's say about Ford layoffs,
and they used the headline or the sentence,
Ford, we're finding a job is job one.
I mean, that's essentially what it is.
In fact, there was a Reuters article
that came out today about this very thing,
and in the Reuters article, it said,
Ford, we're shutting down fdcompany.com is job one,
or something like that.
I mean, are they going to go after Reuters now?
The idea is that, obviously,
everyone knows that I didn't do anything wrong,
and I'm sure Ford's lawyers know I didn't do anything wrong,
but they see something out there
that they want to get rid of, and they get rid of it.
But how did they manage to shut you down for two days?
Well, here's what happened.
One day, I go to check my website,
and it's just not there.
So I call my ISP,
and they're trying to figure out what's going on,
and finally, somebody figures out
that it was unplugged from the network,
and the reason it was unplugged was because
what Ford did was, instead of going after me,
they went after my ISP,
which turns out Ford does all the time.
Ford went after my ISP.
My ISP said to me, they said,
we know you didn't do anything wrong.
It's cool, you know, you didn't do anything wrong,
but we just don't want to be sued by Ford,
so we'll take you down.
So what I did was, I actually complied,
and I got rid of all the headlines that Ford didn't like,
and I linked them all to a scan
of Ford's cease and desist letter.
So now I had no offending Ford content on my site,
except for a scan of the letter, which they wrote,
and they threatened my ISP again,
and said, get rid of the letter.
Why?
No reason, just because we don't want it there.
And so my ISP took me down again,
and the messed up part is,
then if you do a search on,
obviously, you guys are famous Ford fans,
but there are a lot,
I mean, there's so many of those cases with Ford,
as I'm sure you've come across.
The Sealand people, who I met through you guys
at the Last Hope conference,
are willing to host a bunch of stuff
that I'm probably gonna throw over there.
So we'll see how that goes.
You have legal representation on this?
I have a lawyer, but I haven't even sent it to my lawyer.
I mean, at this point, I've complied with everything.
The only issue is the ISP,
and I don't know what I'm gonna do,
if I'm gonna stay with them or not.
I'm looking through the contract
that I've signed with my ISP,
saying, does it say anywhere
that you're just allowed to turn me off
for no reason whatsoever?
I think they might've breached a contract there.
Yeah, definitely.
So we're trying to figure out what's going on with that,
but I've spoken with the people at the ISP.
The worst part now is, of course,
the bad press that the ISP is getting.
Host-centric Exodus, oh, sorry.
What was the name of it?
It's Host-centric, with hosts at Exodus.
Okay, Host-centric, that's why H-O-S-T-C-E-N-T-R-I-C.
Got it.
Host-centric, hosts at Exodus.
Actually, you know what's happening now with,
you know that big,
it was like a big MP3 site or something
that was in Japan.
I just put it on my site, I forgot what it was called.
But they couldn't find the owner,
they couldn't find the ISP,
they couldn't even find,
so what they did was they started
going after the backbone providers,
like Unionet and stuff,
saying you can't even allow traffic to this.
This was in China.
Yeah, it was the China,
yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
I mean, it's so insane that you can do that.
Now, that site, we reported on this, I think, a week ago.
That site is no longer reachable, apparently.
And it's not reachable, the site's probably still there,
it's just your pipes aren't letting you out to it.
I think that they took it off or something,
because I did a trace route to it,
and I made it all the way over to China,
and then the last hop, it was,
I think the person just unplugged the machine and ran away.
But it's interesting, yeah, you're right.
If they can't intimidate the person at the end,
they intimidate the provider.
If they can't intimidate that person,
they actually go for the backbone.
Something interesting about that whole thing
was that Warner Brothers was one of the companies behind it,
but they didn't sue AOL.
Interesting.
Yeah, AOL was mysteriously left off the list.
Well, is AOL a backbone provider?
I'm not actually sure how much they actually provide,
or who was included, I don't have the list in front of me,
but it seems like they should have been on that list,
because...
They sued people of similar location
down the chain as AOL.
Yeah.
I think they sued...
Anyway.
Well, anyway, yeah, immaterial.
Yeah.
Well, okay, we want to take some phone calls,
212-209-2900.
Phil Kaplan is here from EFTcompany.com.
Give him your headphones.
Just to hear the calls.
Yeah, because otherwise you won't be able to hear the calls.
Tell us something about what it's like
running your site, though.
I mean, you must have...
Well, you gave a talk at H2K2,
which, by the way, will be going online pretty soon,
so people will be able to hear that if they missed it.
But, I mean, you get a ridiculous number of hits,
and people like to spread all kinds of rumors
and hear what's going on with their companies.
Yeah, it's fun to run.
I mean, right now, I don't know if you give
the Alexa rankings any credit,
but that's all I have as far as rankings.
It's 780 or something.
Most popular site on the web, of course,
like most of those being porn sites,
so it's pretty cool.
Yeah, it's cool.
I mean, I probably get 500 tips sent to me every day
from people who are saying,
hey, here's what's going on with my company,
and this and that.
And it's sort of, it's become a watchdog.
It's become a site where companies like Ford,
who don't want the world to know that,
whatever they don't want to know,
that they had layoffs or whatever.
And then they came to me to suppress it.
Good job suppressing it,
because it was in Reuters this morning.
You know?
I mean, things always seem to backfire on them, you know?
Well, yeah, exactly, with you guys also.
You'd think they would learn their lesson by now.
Just let it, you know, seriously?
It was like, I have 4,000 headlines on my website,
and this was something I wrote about like eight months ago.
Nobody would have seen it, ever.
But they dug it up.
Wow.
Don't these companies firewall their users,
prevent them from accessing you?
So how do you get around that?
That's another funny, well, first of all,
I have a few different IP addresses
and different domain names,
and I'll point to the same thing.
But it was funny yesterday,
I think the article you were reading
might have come from news.com?
Yeah, it was news.com.
So I'm talking to the guy, the writer at news.com,
and I'm telling him the story,
and I have a scan of the cease and desist online,
on my site.
It's www.ftcompany.com slash whatever.
And he's like, oh, it's not coming up for me.
It's not coming up for me.
I go, oh, wait, dude, you work for CNET, don't you?
He's like, yeah.
I'm like, it's not gonna go up.
He's like, oh, that stinks.
So I had to email him a copy.
He couldn't get to it.
I don't understand.
Why would a news organization block?
It gets even worse.
And here's something that
you might even know a little more about,
but CNET hired the CTO two years ago.
And the CTO, he was a big deal.
He was in all the news,
and he was really pro,
like he was famous for saying,
people need to screw off when they're at work.
And whether you're doing personal email,
or doing some Christmas shopping,
or whatever you're doing, it's gonna happen.
So he's all for rights on the internet,
and he's not for logging and shutting people off
based on where they're surfing.
And he's totally against all that stuff,
and he's really for freedom and rights and all that stuff.
So anyway, this is CNET's CTO,
who obviously is the boss of whoever blocked my site.
And it's funny, because all the articles that came out,
none of them quoted him.
I have a feeling he's sort of on our side.
The deal is, the reason,
their justification for shutting it down
was there was a lot of talk in the message boards
from people who worked at CNET,
saying, hey, here's what's going on in our company.
In fact, I mean, people were posting
how much money they had in their bank account,
and their CEO cell phone numbers,
and all this stuff,
which I'm not saying I'm for it or against it.
If something's real terrible, I'll get rid of it.
I'm not trying to push any envelopes here,
but that's why they shut it down,
to keep people from posting on their message board.
Like, people can't post to any message board in the world.
They might as well shut down Yahoo, you know?
Yeah.
Has this been the first time
that something like this has happened to you,
as far as the Ford case?
I get, this is the first time I was shut down.
I get cease and desist letters every week, probably,
for one reason or another.
They're usually based on stuff
that people are writing in the message boards.
The main message board's being called
the Happy Fun Slander Corner, so it's sort of a target.
And people, I'll get, you know,
sometimes they'll say so-and-so,
you know, we're being slandered or libeled or whatever,
and I take each one on a case-by-case basis.
The great thing about the internet, of course,
is I can delete it and say I never wrote it,
and say it was never there.
Wow, have you heard of archive.org?
Yeah, unfortunately.
Actually, I have a really good relationship with Alexa now,
because I have a site called junglescan.com,
which tracks, you know, Alexa and Amazon is the same thing.
It tracks, like, Amazon ranks and Alexa ranks,
and they made a version of the Alexa toolbar
that's branded, like, EFT company.
So I might be able to hook up something
with archive.org, I don't know.
Great.
Okay, our phone number's 212-209-2900.
We're here with Phil Kaplan of EFTcompany.com,
and I'm sure he could figure out
what the missing letters are.
And we're also talking about the general downfall
of Western civilization and various other things like that.
And this is possibly our special 911 show,
if we're preempted in two weeks,
as I'm being told we very likely will be.
So if you have anything you want to share
as far as that goes,
please feel free to give us a call as well.
Let's take our first listener phone call.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Good evening, Manuel.
Danny here, Dave's brother from the Personal Computer Show.
Which is on next.
Yes, indeed.
Yeah, very confusing.
One of these days I'll learn the schedule again.
Anyway, you asked about the one pound issue
in the post office.
That actually goes back to when TWA Flight 800
was quote unquote blown up by a bomb,
which of course is not what happened.
It was an emergency regulation passed by the FAA.
And the idea was they figured,
they had to put some limit on there.
They figured anything less than a pound,
if it went off aboard a plane,
would not bring the plane down.
So the actual Postal Service regs
is if you drop something in there over a pound,
they do have the ability,
or they do have the option of still taking it,
but they're supposed to stick all sorts of labels on it
that say ground transport only.
Most of the time though,
they'll actually kick it back to you.
So this was a law that was passed temporarily
as a result of Flight 800?
Yeah, although it happened at roughly the same time
as the Unabomber,
so a lot of people confuse the two issues.
Suffice to say, if you got a package
that was eight ounces of explosive and you opened it,
it would kill you.
If it's not a Unabomber response,
it was courtesy of Flight 800.
But it was temporary?
Supposed to be.
Interesting how these things stay with us.
The bomb aboard Flight 800, which never was.
Right, right.
And on that note, anyway, take care.
All right, thanks for calling.
As you can see, we're talking about
all kinds of issues tonight.
Let's take another phone call.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Speak up.
Is anyone there?
Okay, let's try this one.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hey.
What's up?
Hey, you.
Yes, go ahead.
Yeah, I asked you this several years ago.
I don't think you've gotten around.
I do appreciate your guest there, by the way.
Well, thanks.
We appreciate the fact that you appreciate that.
A few years ago, I called and...
I think I remember the call.
I will tell you the question in a moment.
You said, well, that would take a whole show or two.
Uh-huh.
Right?
And here we are being presented two shows after this one.
And the question was,
who are these internet service providers?
Who are they?
Who sets the price?
Who determines how long your contract goes?
You do.
And, you know, you know what I'm saying?
Well, first of all, yeah, there are a number of questions.
I can't hear you over the phone.
Okay, well, why don't you listen to the radio
and we'll try to address these topics over the radios
as quickly as we can.
Basically, I guess what Phil is saying
is that it's market-driven
as far as how the contracts are written,
how much it costs, things like that.
In 1999, I was paying $800 per megabit per second
for hosting.
About six months ago, I called my ISP
and I was like, I don't know
if you've been reading the news lately or anything,
but a lot of these internet companies
have been going out of business
and I'll bet demand's not as high anymore.
And they're like, well,
so I got it down to $300 per megabit per second,
which is what I'm paying now.
Speed goes up, prices go down, supposedly.
I don't know if that's gonna continue much longer.
Well, because of Moore's Law,
all the ISPs are screwed anyway
because ISPs, well, now they make a lot of money
on bandwidth, but they also make a lot of money
on racks and physical space.
And what I'm doing on five servers now,
two years from now, I'll be able to do on one server.
I'm not gonna need as much space.
And if you have an entire floor of Globix,
what is it, doubles every year or whatever,
the next year theoretically should be half the size
and a year later should be half the size.
Eventually I'll be running my website on my watch.
You know?
Yeah, and then how will they make money off that?
Bandwidth, so we'll see.
It's interesting how people consume more and more bandwidth,
but things don't really seem to get faster.
You know, you have more ads to deal with
and just more crap.
Yeah, a lot more crap.
You know, the other bigger thing is,
you know, HTTP compression, which nobody knows about.
The ISPs wanna keep it a big secret, obviously,
because now they can hardly make money on space
because computers are so powerful
that they're trying to make it on bandwidth.
And I installed HTTP compression on my site
and saved 60% of my bandwidth bills.
Really?
Yeah.
If you don't know what it is, for anyone listening,
every modern browser that's out there right now
includes, has built into it,
including Internet Explorer and Mozilla and Netscape
and all that, gzip on compression.
So what my web server does, for example,
if you visit f2company.com,
is my web server gzips every file
and sends it over to zipped,
actually compresses it 80%, just the HTML.
And then on your side, it unzips it.
Now you have to have gnzip on your site, right?
You have to have an HTTP compressor on your site,
which is built into the new IIS
and it's built into Apache and it's built into-
Is it only built into newer ones or is it built into-
It's only built into the super new IIS.
But I have a program, I use a program called XCompress.
And it's a big, and once everybody
starts using HTTP compression
and once compression gets better
and things like the ISPs are hosed
as far as bandwidth goes too.
So I wouldn't be investing in any ISPs in the near future.
Okay, well that's a tip from f2company.com right there.
And I imagine you get all kinds of angry engineers
and things sending you tips saying
how they're cutting back on workforces
in ISPs and various other Internet companies.
Yeah, I get, like I said, I get 500 tips a day or so.
How do you verify something is real?
It's funny, the users verify it.
If I put something, if something's up there
for more than five minutes and it's not right,
I get a flurry of email.
Which is to say, it doesn't happen too often.
I have, in the Internet that I have,
that I wrote to sort through all this stuff,
I have an automatic system that searches for keywords.
So for example, let's say today I go home
and I check the news and I have 20,
20 people sent me a tip with the word 2600 in it.
I know something's going on with 2600,
you know, you guys sued by whoever it is or whatever.
And so I'll see the same story written 20 ways
from probably 20 different people
and I'll assume that it's probably real.
But if I'm still, if it's not confirmed
in a real news source, I'll put rumor has it.
Which is my audience's way of knowing
that this is just what I heard.
If you have just one deep throat or somebody
that is giving you a tip and nobody else
has that information.
Which I get a lot also.
And that I just, I go on gut instinct.
And so far, luckily I've generally been right all the time.
Again, going back to the Internet,
I can just take it down and say I didn't put it up there
if it's wrong.
But I have put things up there, very rarely,
but it's happened where I'll put something up
and then I'll have the company,
lots of people that come to give me like proof
and reasons and totally explain to me
why this is not possible and why it's wrong.
In which case, you know, I'll apologize or whatever.
And the evidence goes up as well?
Sometimes the evidence goes up
or sometimes I just delete it.
You know, whatever they want.
But the worst it ever is, is like,
I say 100 people were laid off and it's like 50.
Or it's like, okay, like the general idea is the same.
So generally you can't go wrong betting on layoffs.
No.
Well that's the thing, if it's 50 people are laid off,
like I'll probably get 50 emails from those 50 people.
Right.
Or if I say 100 people, the 50 people who are still there
will say no, dude, like, you know.
Do you ever post good news about companies expanding?
Oh yeah, yeah, actually I have a site
called luckedcompany.com.
Well gee, I guess that one we can say on the air.
Yeah, Lucked Company, and the other one
starts with an F and rhymes.
Yeah, okay.
So luckedcompany.com is the good news version.
Yeah, it's there, I mean, it's, you know,
like not as fun to read, not as popular.
But I mean, really the reason I think why people like
the original site, F'd Company, is because,
well, besides that, you know,
sometimes it's entertaining to read,
it's really, it's doing, obviously the people
who are sending me all this information,
who are being screwed and ripped off and laid off
and whatever, they want their stuff posted
and they want their voices heard.
You don't really have that with the Lucked Company,
and with the Lucked Company, you know,
maybe I'll start getting press releases from business.
Yeah, you will.
Hey, we released the new version of Windows, you know.
So I don't put news like that, even on Lucked Company,
I put, you know, this is what I heard,
like this is a new technology coming out,
like nobody's supposed to know about it,
stuff like that.
How much time does this take?
Do you have a staff?
I work, you know, I'm probably like you,
I work either zero hours or 24 hours, I don't know,
like I can't tell what it is.
I have one full-time employee who's a programmer,
and then I have, I'm also a programmer,
so together we do all that.
I do the editorial stuff, and then I have a Linux guy
who does all my security.
That's great, it's inspiring that one person
can do all this and really make a difference.
It's fun, yeah.
All right, six more phone calls,
212-209-2900, see who's out there.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Oops, you missed your chance, how about you?
Good evening, you're on the air.
Yes, hello.
Hi.
I was talking to Armand DeMille this afternoon
and about a subject, and as the discussion wore on,
I responded to something that he was saying,
you know, in mid-sentence.
Does this have anything to do with us?
And he did not hear me.
Okay.
And he kept talking through it, you know,
as if he did not hear me.
Okay, but I hear you, I hear you,
I don't know if you can hear me,
but I'm asking you a question.
And he did not hear me, and yet he was still responding
to the discussion.
Because he's on tape.
And then he finished and said,
well, what do you think?
You were calling a tape program.
And he couldn't hear me again.
My question is.
This guy can't hear me.
Is there someone, he's from a remote.
I think he's a bot.
This guy's on tape.
Right, he's a robot.
Was it the fact that the engineer in the studio.
All right, we don't have time for this,
we're only on for an hour.
You know, if you want to have conversations like this,
we have to have more time.
Every week we get letters from people saying,
I wish you had more time.
You know what, since we're preempted so much,
yeah, I wish we had more time too.
So send those cards and letters to the people in charge
and maybe something will happen.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hello?
Yes, go ahead.
Hello?
Yes, can you hear me?
Hello?
No, people can't hear me.
Uh-oh.
Oh, I hear the silence.
Can you hear me though, at all?
No, I can't.
How did you answer that question?
Okay, I have the radio on, that's why.
Okay, all right.
Well, something's definitely wrong.
So you're smart, you have the radio on,
so we'll have to communicate that way.
Is there a delay?
I'm keeping the radio low.
There's a delay for internet users,
there's not a delay for live users.
I'm hoping someday it'll be curtains for Windows.
Anyway, I have a real quick, yeah, I'll move on.
Somebody in the studio was talking about the fact
that they need ID when at the library
on Madison and 35th, 34th.
Yes, yes, indeed.
Well, this is not a uniform policy,
because my branch, which is also somewhere in Midtown,
I don't wanna give it out
unless they change the policy by tomorrow.
They don't require any ID,
and it's like a sign-up sheet.
And I simply give my first name with a last name initial,
and that's good enough.
And when the time comes, they don't even check.
Somebody's not even always at the desk.
We just walk over to the numbered booth,
and there aren't too many.
And that's how I get my internet in,
if I'm not in front of the terminal of my own.
Well, I'll try a number of things,
because I'm in there fairly frequently lately.
We'll see what happens.
More reports later.
Okay, bye-bye.
Thanks for calling.
And just this warning to our listeners.
Apparently, for some reason,
you're not able to hear us over the phone.
So if you're listening on the internet,
since there's like a one-and-a-half-minute delay
between when I talk and when you hear it,
it's really gonna make things hard.
So probably not a good idea to call on the internet.
Let's see if anyone out there.
A lot of calls just dropped off the line,
but let's see who's out there.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Can you hear me?
No, apparently you cannot hear me.
Okay.
How about you?
Can you hear me?
Yes.
Oh, good, okay.
What's on your mind?
I just wanted to mention that I read some of the texts
from the Workers' Org website,
and they claim that they've got in the top 1%
of all hits on the website.
And I think that's very amazing
for something that is a progressive,
Marxist organization website that doesn't compromise
I just wonder if that sounds good to you as well.
Impressive.
Well, I really have no way of verifying
one way or the other.
So I guess I'll just have to take their word for it.
We have a studio engineer in here.
Do we have a idea why they can't hear us?
That magic button you just pressed,
you think that's gonna work?
Okay, great.
If that does work,
you'll have to tell me what that button does later.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Oh, good, okay.
You can hear me over the phone?
Yeah.
Okay, thank you very much.
All right.
That's why it's important to have engineers
that know what they're doing.
So any rumors of layoffs at BAI for studio engineers
are herefore unfounded.
Go ahead, caller, what's on your mind?
Yes.
I got a quick question.
I think it's pretty childish what Ford did.
I was just wondering if there was any governmental
or non-governmental organizations
or people that came to defend you.
Yeah, the, what are they called?
The EFF.
Electronic Frontier Fund.
Yeah, they sent me a whole package and, you know.
Oh, there's also, there's a site.
There's a, yeah, there are a lot of people.
And you know what I get, actually?
And this is kind of cool.
I get email from lawyers and law firms all the time
who want to defend me
because they want to be in the paper or whatever.
You know, they want to have some big First Amendment case.
So yeah, luckily I've had some lawyers on my side,
you know, giving me advice here and there
and the EFF has, you know, come after it.
And I'm like, look, now you're on the radio.
And now I'm on the radio.
And I'm meeting you, you know, face-to-face.
Yeah, you know, we were so busy at H2K2.
He promised me FaceTime with you.
That was, I was like, he was like, well, we can't pay,
but we'll give you FaceTime with a manual.
And I was like. Who said that?
Who used the word FaceTime?
I want that person's head.
Because you're such a rock star.
It's true, man.
Yeah, well, things were pretty hectic there.
And I apologize to anybody who was at the conference,
didn't get to talk, you know.
I always say next time I'll have more time.
We never do.
But you had fun, right?
I had a great time.
I have a, now I have your cell phone number.
I'm going to, I'm going to bio-hack you.
Uh-huh, cool.
How was your talk received?
Wow, really well.
Lots of people came up after my talk
because we didn't have enough,
there were a lot of questions, which is always a good sign.
And after the talk, I was answering questions
for probably another hour.
Just people there and, you know, met a bunch of people.
And it was pretty cool.
Great. You'll be back in 2004, I hope.
Oh, hell yeah.
Heck yeah.
You can say hell, yeah, you can say hell.
That's about the line the FCC draws for us.
Definitely.
Let's take another phone call.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Yes.
Speak up.
Yes.
You got to move fast here.
Real quick.
Yes.
I don't know if you know it, but car rental agencies
are now using GPS to track you.
And it was a whole issue on.
Yes.
That somebody's suing them because they went out of state.
In Connecticut, yeah, I heard about that case.
In fact, I rented a car, a GPS, and it was a lot of fun.
Oh, it's great.
Yeah.
You never lost the system?
Well, unless you put in an address for New York, New York,
it'll take you to Brooklyn for some reason.
No, no, these people went from Texas to Arizona
and they got charged $5,000.
Well, I think one of the cases,
people were speeding and that got logged.
But yeah, you know, you have to be careful
because these things, people are going to say,
yeah, that makes sense because it's a safety issue.
How many parents out there today are going to say,
yeah, I'll put GPS into my kid
because that way he won't be abducted and kidnapped
and things like that.
It's a safety issue.
Once you do these things, they never go away.
Well, there's a company called Digital Angel
that wants to put a chip into a person's body
and they're going to do it for children.
I think that's pretty dangerous.
Yeah, I think so too.
Imagine never being able to hide.
You know, well, what do you have to hide from?
People are going to ask these questions.
There's a company, a guy I know,
that what they're doing is they're calculating
all the GPS data that's coming up from rental cars
and they can figure out what the traffic is like
so they don't need traffic copters anymore.
Ooh. Interesting.
Yeah, they can see how fast you're going on the highway.
You know, there's always a technical benefit,
but there's always a really scary big brother aspect to it.
Folks, we're out of time.
Unfortunately, I wish we could talk about this forever.
Phil, I hope you come back.
I'll talk about your site and about the other adventures
you're bound to be going through
because of the things that are on your site.
Again, EFTcompany.com.
We can't say the word,
but you have another site, LuckedCompany.com
for the good news side of what's going on on your site.
Again, thanks for stopping by
and best of luck with all your legal problems
and with Ford and that kind of thing.
All right, we're going to need it.
Not sure if we're going to be here next week
or the week after.
We're told it's iffy either way,
both times.
Stick to the website, www.2600.com.
We'll let you know there.
Good night.
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