Off The Hook - 2003-02-05

[00:00.620 --> 00:05.380]  [SPEAKER_01]: This is Mastis Keshavai, spokesperson for United for Peace and Justice.
[00:05.760 --> 00:15.220]  [SPEAKER_01]: Today, the New York Civil Liberties Union filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of United for Peace and Justice, the organizers of the February 15th anti-war mobilization in the United States.
[00:15.700 --> 00:21.150]  [SPEAKER_01]: The lawsuit charges that the City of New York is violating the First Amendment by denying a permit for the march.
[00:21.480 --> 00:24.990]  [SPEAKER_01]: We are seeking an injunction to order the City to let the march proceed.
[00:24.990 --> 00:27.830]  [SPEAKER_01]: A hearing is set for Friday at 3 p.m.
[00:28.010 --> 00:30.820]  [SPEAKER_01]: before Federal District Court Judge Barbara Jones in Manhattan.
[00:31.380 --> 00:36.840]  [SPEAKER_01]: In the meantime, we are going full steam ahead with plans for a massive march and rally on February 15th.
[00:36.980 --> 00:43.460]  [SPEAKER_01]: We have been getting an overwhelming response from people all around the country and around the world where marches are also planned on February 15th.
[00:43.460 --> 00:58.780]  [SPEAKER_01]: To make your opinion heard, please call Mayor Bloomberg's office at 212-788-3040 or 212-788-3210 and tell them to let the march proceed.
[00:59.160 --> 01:04.930]  [SPEAKER_01]: For more information, please visit our website at www.unitedforpeace.org.
[01:05.050 --> 01:05.410]  [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[01:06.350 --> 01:07.710]  [SPEAKER_04]: It's 7.03.
[01:07.760 --> 01:11.900]  [SPEAKER_04]: You're listening to 99.5 FM WBAI.
[01:11.900 --> 01:13.270]  [SPEAKER_04]: Off the Hook is next.
[01:18.630 --> 01:31.330]  [SPEAKER_11]: The telephone keeps ringing So I ripped it off the wall I cut myself while shaving Now I can't make a call I couldn't get my breath
[01:37.400 --> 01:40.500]  [SPEAKER_11]: I hope that's understood But let me move!
[01:43.170 --> 01:44.230]  [SPEAKER_04]: Good evening.
[01:44.710 --> 01:45.830]  [SPEAKER_04]: It's Emmanuel there.
[01:46.470 --> 01:49.370]  [SPEAKER_01]: Continue on the current road, 16 miles.
[01:49.750 --> 01:52.170]  [SPEAKER_01]: Continue on the current road, 16 miles.
[01:52.170 --> 01:52.730]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
[01:52.870 --> 01:53.190]  [SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
[01:53.810 --> 01:54.710]  [SPEAKER_04]: Are you there?
[01:55.230 --> 01:55.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[01:55.950 --> 01:58.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's this GPS computer.
[01:59.370 --> 02:00.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: Walt shut up.
[02:01.410 --> 02:02.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to have to...
[02:03.030 --> 02:03.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[02:03.650 --> 02:05.030]  [SPEAKER_04]: I told you to get the boy.
[02:05.350 --> 02:07.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: I turned the car off because...
[02:07.410 --> 02:11.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, after about 12,000 miles with this thing, I think it's starting...
[02:11.610 --> 02:12.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're starting to get on each other's nerves.
[02:13.270 --> 02:16.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's barking out already to me that I have no intention of following.
[02:17.010 --> 02:19.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I've done some things to sabotage its systems as well.
[02:21.870 --> 02:24.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, this trip is coming to an end.
[02:24.290 --> 02:26.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: We've been on the road since January 6th.
[02:27.130 --> 02:29.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: And right now, I'm just outside of Buffalo.
[02:29.990 --> 02:32.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: Which means I'm in the right states if it's the wrong city.
[02:32.910 --> 02:34.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'll be back tomorrow.
[02:34.350 --> 02:38.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'll be there at the meeting at Citigroup on Friday for the 2600 meeting.
[02:39.790 --> 02:41.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: I really wanted to get the show tonight.
[02:41.690 --> 02:42.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: I tried.
[02:42.490 --> 02:42.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: I really did.
[02:43.110 --> 02:44.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: But, you know, this is a really big country.
[02:45.250 --> 02:47.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it takes a long time to get places.
[02:47.830 --> 02:48.830]  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's a lot to see.
[02:49.330 --> 02:50.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: There's a lot to see.
[02:50.390 --> 02:52.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: There's just a lot of roads to go over.
[02:52.690 --> 02:57.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we've also had a lot of snow because we've been going back in the northern part of the country.
[02:57.790 --> 03:00.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I guess, you know, we kind of expect to see a lot of snow.
[03:00.270 --> 03:02.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: It just seems to always hit at night when you're driving.
[03:03.250 --> 03:13.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: And when you're on an interstate and you don't even know where exactly the lanes are, an 18-wheel truck goes that can buy at 70 miles an hour and completely blind you, it gets a little nerve-wracking.
[03:14.570 --> 03:17.490]  [SPEAKER_04]: And when we last spoke to you, you were in California.
[03:17.590 --> 03:18.470]  [SPEAKER_04]: How exactly?
[03:18.470 --> 03:19.790]  [SPEAKER_04]: What was your route to come back?
[03:20.330 --> 03:23.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, basically, when I talked to you last time, I was in San Francisco.
[03:24.210 --> 03:30.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: And since then, I've driven through the Redwood Forest, which is pretty spectacular, I must say.
[03:30.270 --> 03:31.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: I've never seen those before.
[03:31.790 --> 03:35.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: Through Portland, Seattle, and then the tip of Idaho.
[03:35.230 --> 03:40.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: We checked out Route 2, you know, a very northerly road in the United States.
[03:41.350 --> 03:46.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that got to be a little slow and tiny, so we went back down to the interstate around Montana.
[03:46.790 --> 03:49.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: Montana took two days to cross at full speed.
[03:50.330 --> 03:55.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: And then to North Dakota and Wisconsin, yesterday Chicago.
[03:55.570 --> 03:59.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: And now we're in Buffalo, about to loop around and head down to the city.
[03:59.530 --> 04:03.150]  [SPEAKER_04]: While you were in Chicago, did you get a chance to see the Illegal Art Show?
[04:03.730 --> 04:05.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, I did not get a chance to see that.
[04:05.270 --> 04:06.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: We got in a little too late for that.
[04:06.390 --> 04:09.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: I did meet up with a bunch of people, though, from the 26 Turner meeting there.
[04:09.370 --> 04:12.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we had a lot of fun doing all kinds of interesting things.
[04:13.710 --> 04:15.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'll talk about that a little bit later.
[04:16.590 --> 04:18.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I've seen a lot of interesting sites.
[04:18.450 --> 04:20.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: I've visited a lot of cool people.
[04:20.310 --> 04:31.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, of course, this is all having to do with Kevin Mitnick's, I guess, ascension into freedom, where he no longer has his supervised release to worry about.
[04:31.690 --> 04:36.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's funny, because, you know, traveling around, you turn on the radio, and you listen to various stations.
[04:36.790 --> 04:41.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: And twice, I've come across Kevin in an accident, talking on the radio on some call-in show.
[04:42.690 --> 04:45.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: So it's pretty neat to actually hear people that you know on the radio.
[04:46.390 --> 04:47.910]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I know he's been busy.
[04:48.510 --> 04:49.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: He's been very busy, yeah.
[04:50.010 --> 04:56.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's quite a kick to hear him on the radio, talking to various people, answering questions on the phone.
[04:56.370 --> 04:58.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, yeah, it's been great for him.
[04:59.170 --> 05:00.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're getting more and more footage.
[05:00.950 --> 05:06.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, now he's getting to work on the DVD and various other projects that we're working on.
[05:06.450 --> 05:10.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: Among which, I should point out, we have a fundraiser at WBAI that's coming up.
[05:11.570 --> 05:13.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: I believe it begins next week.
[05:13.410 --> 05:14.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: We're not going to be on next week.
[05:15.070 --> 05:16.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: Next week at this time, we will not be there.
[05:16.990 --> 05:20.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: But in two weeks, we have a special expanded show that begins at 7 o'clock.
[05:21.530 --> 05:23.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we'll be doing all kinds of fun things there.
[05:24.050 --> 05:35.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: But one thing I wanted to ask listeners, if people could write in for this, mail us at OTH at 2600.com with suggestions as to things, 2600 things that you would like to see.
[05:35.950 --> 05:39.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: We've been talking to people across the country about this, getting all kinds of suggestions.
[05:39.850 --> 05:43.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: Some people want us to come out with hooded sweatshirts.
[05:43.470 --> 05:45.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: Some people want us to come out with coffee mugs.
[05:46.130 --> 05:47.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, there's all kinds of merchandising things.
[05:47.890 --> 05:52.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we don't always, you know, think rationally as to what people actually want.
[05:52.270 --> 06:01.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: So if there's something you think we should have out there, we can do this in conjunction with the fundraiser in a couple of weeks, because we'll have some of those things hopefully available pretty soon.
[06:01.950 --> 06:04.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: But we'd like to know what people are actually in the mood for.
[06:04.270 --> 06:08.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: I know over in Germany, the hooded sweatshirts for Chaos Computer Club are very popular.
[06:08.630 --> 06:10.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: But I'm not sure if such a thing would work here.
[06:10.790 --> 06:11.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, do you...
[06:11.450 --> 06:13.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: If you have a type of, you know, cowboy hat or something.
[06:14.050 --> 06:14.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[06:15.130 --> 06:15.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: They have...
[06:15.670 --> 06:16.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's very hard to ship.
[06:16.450 --> 06:19.230]  [SPEAKER_04]: They have the CCC jackets as well, which are very nice.
[06:19.510 --> 06:20.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, yes.
[06:20.370 --> 06:21.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, something along those lines.
[06:21.690 --> 06:23.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: CCC jackets, which look like FBI jackets.
[06:24.370 --> 06:25.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, that kind of thing.
[06:26.430 --> 06:28.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: But there's a world of possibilities out there.
[06:28.330 --> 06:31.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: When you talk to people all around the country, you get inspired to do all kinds of things.
[06:32.830 --> 06:35.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, there's always one person that gets to their cell phone off.
[06:35.410 --> 06:35.950]  [SPEAKER_04]: No, no, no.
[06:35.970 --> 06:36.710]  [SPEAKER_04]: That's not a cell phone.
[06:36.810 --> 06:39.890]  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the phone you called in on earlier.
[06:40.450 --> 06:41.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, really?
[06:41.190 --> 06:42.250]  [SPEAKER_04]: That has to be in here, yeah.
[06:42.710 --> 06:43.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: That phone has to be in there now.
[06:44.030 --> 06:45.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: That phone usually is in a different room.
[06:45.370 --> 06:46.130]  [SPEAKER_04]: I know, I know.
[06:46.510 --> 06:46.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Wow.
[06:47.070 --> 06:48.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: Things have really changed.
[06:48.190 --> 06:49.730]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you wouldn't believe the changes here.
[06:49.850 --> 06:52.010]  [SPEAKER_04]: Since you've been gone, we've got hardwood floors.
[06:52.270 --> 06:53.730]  [SPEAKER_04]: We've got curtains on the windows.
[06:54.330 --> 06:54.570]  [SPEAKER_04]: Really?
[06:54.570 --> 06:56.130]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, well, not all the windows.
[06:56.250 --> 06:57.190]  [SPEAKER_04]: Some of them have mini-blinds.
[06:57.350 --> 07:00.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, we didn't have windows last time I was there, so that's a revelation, too.
[07:00.730 --> 07:00.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
[07:01.510 --> 07:05.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: I hear, though, that they're taking it out in the coming weeks, so you won't get to see it.
[07:06.350 --> 07:07.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, that's a shame.
[07:07.430 --> 07:10.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, I'll drive like crazy tomorrow and get there, wait at night, and run in.
[07:12.410 --> 07:15.110]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but don't leave Buffalo without trying the wings.
[07:15.770 --> 07:28.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, okay, yeah, you know, we had talked a little bit before the show about this, and I didn't really get to talk in detail about it with you, but you were telling me that the wings are different than they are in any place else, and I, you know, obviously I know that they,
[07:28.950 --> 07:37.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: you know, it's not quite as hot as it is in other places, so we're going to ask for the, you know, the hottest possible wings, you know, ones I think they call Suicide Plus.
[07:37.890 --> 07:39.310]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think you should do that.
[07:39.570 --> 07:40.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you think I should?
[07:40.430 --> 07:40.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah.
[07:41.210 --> 07:42.530]  [SPEAKER_04]: I spoke to you before.
[07:42.730 --> 07:43.690]  [SPEAKER_04]: I warned you.
[07:43.890 --> 07:44.870]  [SPEAKER_04]: You want to keep playing?
[07:45.530 --> 07:46.150]  [SPEAKER_04]: Go ahead.
[07:46.550 --> 07:48.910]  [SPEAKER_04]: That's where they started, Buffalo Wings.
[07:49.230 --> 07:52.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: You can tell it's being tongue-in-cheek, and I'm very good at that.
[07:52.150 --> 07:52.830]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, okay.
[07:52.930 --> 07:55.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: Obviously, I'll, you know, I'll take you after your work.
[07:55.870 --> 07:59.630]  [SPEAKER_04]: I had them, I had them at the same place that you're going to.
[08:00.090 --> 08:03.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: Which, is the, what was the name of the place again?
[08:03.310 --> 08:04.410]  [SPEAKER_04]: The Anchor Bar?
[08:04.690 --> 08:05.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: The Anchor Bar, yeah.
[08:05.930 --> 08:11.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: So if anyone wants to meet us after this radio show, and they happen to be in Buffalo, but don't do it if you're not in Buffalo.
[08:11.230 --> 08:13.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not worth all the time and expense of trying to get there quickly.
[08:14.570 --> 08:19.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's where we're going to be shortly after the show, like maybe a half hour, an hour after the show, we'll be at the Anchor Bar.
[08:19.910 --> 08:21.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't know how you'll be able to tell who we are.
[08:22.590 --> 08:24.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: There'll probably be our paramedics around us.
[08:25.370 --> 08:26.850]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, with the paddles.
[08:27.850 --> 08:28.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: We'll see.
[08:28.410 --> 08:34.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: But anyway, as far as changes go, one very major change has to do with New York, New York City, and the phone company.
[08:35.030 --> 08:38.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I understand that you now have to dial the area code.
[08:38.230 --> 08:38.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: Is that right?
[08:39.570 --> 08:41.130]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Mike can tell you about that.
[08:41.350 --> 08:41.770]  [SPEAKER_04]: I can?
[08:41.870 --> 08:42.610]  [SPEAKER_04]: Mike, tell me about that.
[08:42.750 --> 08:47.330]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, apparently now in New York, you have to dial one, the area code, and the number.
[08:47.470 --> 08:52.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: So that's 11 digits to dial anybody, anywhere in the country or across the street.
[08:52.770 --> 08:54.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: 11 digits you have to dial.
[08:54.230 --> 08:58.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: Has it been tested thoroughly that you cannot dial 10 digits, leaving out the one?
[08:58.830 --> 09:06.410]  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, what happened is that they tested the system when it was supposed to turn on, and they messed it all up.
[09:06.630 --> 09:12.810]  [SPEAKER_10]: So now, from last time I checked, you could dial both 7 digits and get through, and 11 digits, and still get through.
[09:13.750 --> 09:15.630]  [SPEAKER_10]: So now it works both ways.
[09:15.830 --> 09:21.210]  [SPEAKER_10]: Before, if you dialed 11 digits, you'd get a message saying you do not need to dial an area code with this number.
[09:22.670 --> 09:30.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, well, officially, does anyone know if it works without OnePlus, like from a home phone or office phone or anything like that?
[09:30.270 --> 09:33.370]  [SPEAKER_10]: Well, I tried it two days ago, so it works without the OnePlus.
[09:33.970 --> 09:34.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh-huh.
[09:34.490 --> 09:35.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: And that was from where?
[09:35.550 --> 09:36.790]  [SPEAKER_10]: That's from my home.
[09:36.970 --> 09:38.210]  [SPEAKER_10]: That's from St. Ann Arlington, Brooklyn.
[09:39.130 --> 09:39.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[09:39.750 --> 09:40.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: Has anyone else tried it?
[09:41.670 --> 09:43.070]  [SPEAKER_10]: No, I haven't had a chance.
[09:43.330 --> 09:44.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you live in New Jersey.
[09:44.790 --> 09:45.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's right, yeah.
[09:46.010 --> 09:47.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: Mike, you have a cell phone, right?
[09:47.670 --> 09:48.430]  [SPEAKER_05]: I have a cell phone.
[09:48.690 --> 09:53.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, now, one of the joys of having a cell phone, is that you can call other cell phones without putting in the area code.
[09:53.650 --> 09:54.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: Has that changed?
[09:55.350 --> 10:03.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know very many people who have the same area code of cell phone as I do, so I don't take advantage of that feature.
[10:03.330 --> 10:06.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, do you dial people randomly in your area code?
[10:06.550 --> 10:07.610]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yep, I don't.
[10:07.930 --> 10:09.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's why you don't know anybody.
[10:09.630 --> 10:10.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's how you meet people.
[10:11.670 --> 10:12.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: Dial randomly.
[10:12.850 --> 10:14.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'll have to look into that.
[10:14.890 --> 10:20.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, well, what we'd like to find out from our listeners in New York City and Byron's, you know, 718 as well.
[10:21.970 --> 10:28.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: If certain things work for you, is it only OnePlus that works for you, OnePlus area code, or can you dial area code plus number?
[10:29.510 --> 10:30.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: Can you dial seven digits?
[10:31.350 --> 10:32.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: Can you dial OnePlus seven digits?
[10:32.790 --> 10:33.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: Try everything.
[10:33.790 --> 10:39.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: And those people with cell phones, too, in the area, let us know if you're now required to dial an area code for a phone call.
[10:39.770 --> 10:40.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's really ridiculous.
[10:40.690 --> 10:42.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's really silly and completely unnecessary.
[10:43.270 --> 10:45.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: But that's the way they've designed the system.
[10:45.310 --> 10:46.250]  [SPEAKER_04]: Mike's got his phone here.
[10:46.350 --> 10:47.150]  [SPEAKER_04]: We can put him to work.
[10:47.710 --> 10:47.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: Huh?
[10:48.090 --> 10:49.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, does he have somebody to call?
[10:50.890 --> 10:52.370]  [SPEAKER_05]: You know, I really don't.
[10:52.490 --> 10:58.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, that other phone, the phone that wandered into the studio from the other room, you could also put that to work.
[10:58.370 --> 10:58.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: We could.
[10:59.290 --> 11:01.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: That goes out to a regular 212 number.
[11:02.610 --> 11:05.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, well, people can experiment with that quietly while we talk.
[11:05.530 --> 11:07.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: I hope that would be certainly appreciated.
[11:07.850 --> 11:13.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: But what I'd like to know is, has this caused anyone on our staff, has it caused them any problems so far?
[11:17.190 --> 11:18.050]  [SPEAKER_06]: Apparently not.
[11:18.610 --> 11:19.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: It didn't cause you any problems?
[11:20.230 --> 11:20.890]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no.
[11:21.030 --> 11:23.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: My problems are totally unrelated to this.
[11:23.570 --> 11:24.090]  Okay.
[11:24.690 --> 11:26.630]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I just got a note here.
[11:27.250 --> 11:34.130]  [SPEAKER_04]: One of the people working here got to call the station without dialing the area code first for New York.
[11:34.150 --> 11:34.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: Really?
[11:34.650 --> 11:34.810]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[11:34.810 --> 11:37.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: And they were somewhere else outside the station.
[11:38.250 --> 11:38.850]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I believe.
[11:39.470 --> 11:39.670]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[11:39.910 --> 11:43.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, as of February 1st, it was supposed to be mandatory.
[11:43.090 --> 11:45.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, maybe it's not so mandatory anymore.
[11:45.510 --> 11:50.910]  [SPEAKER_10]: The last time I heard, it was in the news that they moved the whole program back for like four weeks.
[11:51.490 --> 11:53.490]  [SPEAKER_10]: So, it's next month now it's going to hit in.
[11:54.290 --> 11:55.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: Wait, hold on a second.
[11:56.410 --> 11:58.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: It didn't take effect on February 1st?
[11:58.370 --> 12:05.690]  [SPEAKER_10]: It was supposed to take effect, but the system messed up and allowed you to call both 7 and 11 digits and still get through.
[12:05.950 --> 12:11.730]  [SPEAKER_10]: So, they decided to fix the system, whatever that means, by fixing it.
[12:12.830 --> 12:17.410]  [SPEAKER_10]: And so, the official, the new official date is somewhere like in four weeks.
[12:18.130 --> 12:19.190]  [SPEAKER_11]: Has anyone else heard this?
[12:21.270 --> 12:22.350]  [SPEAKER_04]: No, I haven't.
[12:22.750 --> 12:23.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: Apparently not.
[12:23.490 --> 12:24.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, well, that's interesting.
[12:25.430 --> 12:26.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: I trust Leo.
[12:27.030 --> 12:27.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry?
[12:27.630 --> 12:28.690]  [SPEAKER_06]: I trust Leo, though.
[12:28.870 --> 12:29.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.
[12:29.610 --> 12:32.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's just, you'd think that the word would get out a little bit more.
[12:32.270 --> 12:39.950]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it didn't get out well for the institution of dialing the 11 digits, so I'm not surprised that delaying it has not gotten out.
[12:40.270 --> 12:45.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I've been around, so I don't know what kind of push there was in the final weeks, but I know that it's been announced like, you know, months in advance.
[12:45.970 --> 12:51.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if that would have done much good for most people, but, you know, it doesn't really affect anything I do very much.
[12:52.130 --> 12:53.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, you have to dial some extra digits sometimes.
[12:54.330 --> 13:00.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: But there are people with all kinds of speed dialing and, you know, fax machines and modems and things like that.
[13:00.270 --> 13:02.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: They get awfully confused and things don't go through.
[13:03.230 --> 13:04.910]  [SPEAKER_04]: Everything has to be reprogrammed.
[13:05.110 --> 13:06.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, everything has to be reprogrammed.
[13:06.850 --> 13:14.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, that's why I'm looking for any kind of story of people that have really, you know, maybe died from something or just been terribly inconvenienced, you know, whatever.
[13:14.830 --> 13:16.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: Whatever comes up.
[13:16.590 --> 13:18.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: So if you have a story like that, please let us know.
[13:18.370 --> 13:36.290]  [SPEAKER_05]: We did receive some email before February 1st from our friends at Panics who were, I guess, in a panic because they were worried that they were going to have customers unable to, you know, figure out how to reprogram their modems to reach their Internet providers.
[13:36.290 --> 13:41.410]  [SPEAKER_05]: and all this change happened on a weekend when they were, you know, short-staffed anyway.
[13:41.810 --> 13:42.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: But apparently...
[13:42.970 --> 13:43.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[13:44.050 --> 13:45.070]  [SPEAKER_05]: We haven't heard from them since.
[13:45.390 --> 13:46.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's because they can't dial out.
[13:47.190 --> 13:49.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: So no one's heard from them since.
[13:49.950 --> 13:54.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: All I know is here in Philadelphia, we can still dial 10-number numbers.
[13:55.170 --> 13:57.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, Bernie, I forgot you were on the line.
[13:57.150 --> 13:57.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: Welcome.
[13:57.550 --> 13:58.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: Welcome to the show.
[13:58.670 --> 13:59.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: Good evening.
[13:59.650 --> 14:00.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: 10-number numbers.
[14:00.330 --> 14:05.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: We can still use the infamously named 10-number numbers here in Philadelphia.
[14:06.350 --> 14:07.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: As featured in downtown.
[14:08.130 --> 14:10.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: We have a little excerpt for them explaining the 10-number number.
[14:11.390 --> 14:17.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: Bill Atlantic at the time had decided to call there when they switched over to 10- or 11-digit dialing.
[14:18.590 --> 14:23.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: They dubbed them with a big publicity campaign as 10-number numbers.
[14:24.030 --> 14:25.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: Not 10-digit numbers, but 10-number numbers.
[14:27.330 --> 14:29.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: And we can still use them here in Philadelphia.
[14:29.590 --> 14:34.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: So now, you don't have to dial 1-plus to dial another 2-1-5 number from 2-1-5.
[14:34.430 --> 14:35.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: You can just dial 2-1-5-plus.
[14:36.730 --> 14:37.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.
[14:37.630 --> 14:39.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, what if you put the 1 in anyway?
[14:39.530 --> 14:40.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: It works, too.
[14:40.590 --> 14:41.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: It works, too.
[14:41.570 --> 14:44.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, when you dial, say, 2-1-2 from 2-1-5, you have to put the 1.
[14:44.910 --> 14:45.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: You have to have the 1.
[14:45.910 --> 14:47.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: And if you don't put the 1, you get scolded.
[14:48.770 --> 14:49.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[14:51.230 --> 14:52.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: My question is if they can scold you...
[14:52.530 --> 14:52.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's just stupid.
[14:52.870 --> 14:56.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: I mean, if they know to scold you, they know how to route the call.
[14:59.750 --> 15:00.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's pretty weird.
[15:00.890 --> 15:06.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a strange system, and I think it's just because they have very bad programming, which is why this happened in the first place.
[15:06.510 --> 15:07.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: Who would we blame?
[15:07.410 --> 15:14.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: Would you blame that on the former Bellcore company, Telcordia, or is it just from the local exchange carriers that are to blame for this?
[15:14.370 --> 15:19.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: I personally blame the people that planned out how to deal with number exhaustion.
[15:20.170 --> 15:31.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: They had some options that would have resulted in retaining the geographical nature of area codes, namely adding a digit to the area code or even adding a digit to the phone numbers.
[15:31.590 --> 15:36.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it would have required a lot of reprogramming of switches, but we're going to have to do that anyway.
[15:36.550 --> 15:37.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's just a question of putting it off.
[15:38.130 --> 15:46.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: And now, when we do run out of the expanded area codes, there's not going to be any rhyme or reason to the numbering scheme.
[15:46.810 --> 15:49.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know where area 773 is.
[15:49.050 --> 15:50.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know where 585 is.
[15:50.450 --> 15:51.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think I'm near 585, actually.
[15:52.590 --> 15:53.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: But nobody knows where you think you are.
[15:54.290 --> 15:58.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: Use some sort of domain name system where we can just all have names for our phone numbers.
[15:58.870 --> 16:02.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: Or, you know, maybe, you know, as someone suggested, just use our social security numbers.
[16:03.950 --> 16:05.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: Might as well at this point.
[16:05.550 --> 16:05.710]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[16:08.310 --> 16:14.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, okay, so that's the main story coming out of New York that we've even heard about as far away as California.
[16:15.470 --> 16:20.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: When I was in Chicago yesterday, I hung out with a bunch of 2600 type people.
[16:21.290 --> 16:25.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, of course, you know, you always wind up playing with technology and talking about technology and things like that.
[16:25.230 --> 16:26.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's what makes it so much fun.
[16:26.730 --> 16:31.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: I found out something from one of the people there, which I thought was really pretty amazing.
[16:32.090 --> 16:33.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, Mike, maybe you'd be interested in this.
[16:33.810 --> 16:34.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: You have a Sprint phone.
[16:34.790 --> 16:41.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: Did you know it's not possible to send SMS messages from a T-Mobile phone to a Sprint phone?
[16:41.810 --> 16:42.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: I did not know that.
[16:42.930 --> 16:48.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I just sent you a message from my T-Mobile phone to your Sprint phone.
[16:48.250 --> 16:49.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I didn't receive it.
[16:49.750 --> 16:54.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I just clicked the button during that sentence, so I don't think you'll receive it right away.
[16:55.710 --> 16:57.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: But it takes a few minutes.
[16:58.930 --> 17:03.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: The problem is, I haven't found anybody yet who can figure out how to read the message.
[17:03.430 --> 17:04.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: So your phone will beep.
[17:05.230 --> 17:08.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: And you may be the first person who can figure out how to actually get the message.
[17:08.690 --> 17:10.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: And then we can take it from there.
[17:10.550 --> 17:10.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[17:10.810 --> 17:12.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: How about replying to those messages?
[17:13.170 --> 17:14.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: That could be totally beyond us.
[17:14.830 --> 17:15.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[17:15.450 --> 17:19.830]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to turn the ringer on so everyone will know when I receive this message.
[17:20.050 --> 17:20.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[17:20.690 --> 17:25.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: Please don't let me call Mike during this because, obviously, that will go hard over the air as well.
[17:29.490 --> 17:31.510]  [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I have an alert from short mail.
[17:31.970 --> 17:32.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's me.
[17:32.890 --> 17:33.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's me.
[17:33.330 --> 17:33.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Short mail.
[17:34.070 --> 17:34.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[17:36.150 --> 17:37.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: Can you read the message?
[17:37.450 --> 17:40.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: I pressed OK to view it now and it is now connecting.
[17:41.650 --> 17:43.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it connects to something.
[17:43.190 --> 17:45.610]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I always get, like, a web service problem.
[17:45.710 --> 17:46.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: Please contact provider.
[17:47.110 --> 17:47.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh.
[17:47.470 --> 17:54.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: And the reason I don't want to contact the provider, I'm convinced that they don't like the username I picked out, which is an obscenity followed by the word sprint.
[17:55.330 --> 17:59.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I picked that because I was so frustrated in trying to pick a username.
[17:59.690 --> 18:01.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: They wouldn't let me have anything else.
[18:01.270 --> 18:01.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: Well...
[18:01.670 --> 18:06.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I fear they might have turned it off and it'll be embarrassing to have that conversation with them.
[18:07.130 --> 18:08.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: Uh, it says hi.
[18:09.050 --> 18:09.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's me.
[18:09.750 --> 18:10.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: I said that.
[18:10.390 --> 18:12.750]  [SPEAKER_05]: And it has your phone number and the time and date.
[18:13.230 --> 18:14.250]  [SPEAKER_05]: But not his username?
[18:14.710 --> 18:15.930]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, no username.
[18:16.930 --> 18:18.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: We crossed from one network to another.
[18:18.810 --> 18:20.450]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, Mike, can you reply to that?
[18:20.630 --> 18:21.990]  [SPEAKER_05]: I have chosen reply.
[18:23.710 --> 18:25.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right, we'll type a secret message.
[18:26.290 --> 18:26.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[18:27.710 --> 18:30.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I'll see if I get that particular message.
[18:31.270 --> 18:31.810]  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[18:33.490 --> 18:34.470]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is very exciting.
[18:34.470 --> 18:38.850]  [SPEAKER_05]: Why don't we talk about something else while I'm figuring out how to use this stupid thing?
[18:39.110 --> 18:40.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, well, you devote all your attention to that.
[18:41.210 --> 18:43.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we'll find something else to talk about.
[18:43.710 --> 18:44.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: Emmanuel?
[18:44.970 --> 18:45.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry, Bernie, yes.
[18:46.390 --> 18:54.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, when you were traveling around the country, did you bring your ICOM R3 scanner or any other scanner-type radio with you?
[18:54.590 --> 18:56.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: I did bring my ICOM R3 scanner.
[18:56.690 --> 19:00.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: Unfortunately, it's been in my bag the whole time because I've just been so busy with everything else.
[19:01.830 --> 19:04.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: I would have loved to have used it in Mexico and all kinds of other places.
[19:05.130 --> 19:11.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: But, you know, there's just so much to play with, so much technology to, you know, experiment with.
[19:11.230 --> 19:26.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: I wanted to find out if you'd run into many local, state, and federal agencies that had switched from analog FM two-way radio to digital radio.
[19:26.810 --> 19:43.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: Here in Philadelphia, earlier this week, they switched over to a new $52 million digital two-way radio system, which cannot be heard by conventional analog scanner radios like every other kind of police scanner radio most people are familiar with.
[19:43.710 --> 19:53.310]  [SPEAKER_13]: So, basically, people are out of the loop unless they want to spend nearly $1,000 for a special kind of digital receiver that was just released by Uniden.
[19:54.290 --> 20:02.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: I do know a lot of people are playing around with such receivers and spying on video cameras, which is always a lot of fun.
[20:03.710 --> 20:05.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: People transmit security signals.
[20:06.250 --> 20:10.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: In fact, there's talk of a great frank idea.
[20:11.050 --> 20:19.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, when you call somebody on the phone and you have a little fun at their expense by, you know, telling them the refrigerator is running or some such thing like that.
[20:19.530 --> 20:26.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, there are many offices that have security cameras in various places, and in some of them you can see people at their desks.
[20:26.650 --> 20:31.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, these cameras can be spied upon using various scanning equipment.
[20:31.910 --> 20:34.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's all very out of the open and easy to do.
[20:34.590 --> 20:41.890]  [SPEAKER_08]: But imagine the phone you could have by making a frank call to that person and actually watching their reaction live and maybe even taping it.
[20:42.710 --> 20:43.230]  [SPEAKER_09]: Hmm.
[20:43.690 --> 20:43.970]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[20:43.970 --> 20:46.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: It could be a whole new realm of frank phone calling.
[20:47.590 --> 20:52.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: I got a message and the message says, this is a secret message.
[20:53.190 --> 20:55.310]  [SPEAKER_05]: You're not supposed to say such things over the air.
[20:55.950 --> 21:02.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I'm sorry, but I know these times of national paranoia and all that kind of thing, but I'm not saying anything else.
[21:02.650 --> 21:04.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just saying this is a secret message with an exclamation point.
[21:05.190 --> 21:06.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: Was that you, Mike?
[21:06.270 --> 21:07.450]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's what I wrote.
[21:07.670 --> 21:14.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: And we have successfully crossed both ways, from Sprint to T-Mobile, both ways, sending SMS messages.
[21:15.450 --> 21:16.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's pretty good.
[21:17.270 --> 21:17.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: Go ahead.
[21:18.530 --> 21:20.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: I was saying, that's pretty good.
[21:21.030 --> 21:23.790]  [SPEAKER_13]: SMS has been around for years and they're finally getting it working.
[21:24.470 --> 21:24.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[21:24.810 --> 21:27.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, Bernie, I'm going to send you a message now since you have a Sprint phone as well.
[21:27.350 --> 21:27.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: Ooh.
[21:27.970 --> 21:28.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: Now, I'm on it.
[21:28.630 --> 21:32.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: You're on Sprint phone so let's see what happens when we send it to you while you're on it.
[21:32.690 --> 21:36.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: But, Mike, can you figure out how to actually initiate an SMS message?
[21:36.970 --> 21:37.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'll work on that.
[21:38.210 --> 21:49.710]  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, you work on that and I'll work on a brand new Sprint PCS phone because they apparently don't repair phones when little parts of them break.
[21:50.170 --> 21:52.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: I had a little part of my phone break yesterday.
[21:52.330 --> 22:10.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: I was standing out in the sub-zero temperature in Wisconsin and there's a part of my LCD screen that now has nonsense on it that won't go away and I think it might be broken but I don't think I can get another Sprint phone because they'll charge me not only for the phone but to activate it.
[22:11.370 --> 22:17.530]  [SPEAKER_05]: They only charge me for the phone which was a rip-off in and of itself but no activation fee.
[22:17.810 --> 22:19.110]  [SPEAKER_05]: And you got to see this one.
[22:19.870 --> 22:19.990]  [SPEAKER_09]: Really?
[22:19.990 --> 22:20.950]  [SPEAKER_05]: This is pretty.
[22:21.430 --> 22:23.870]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's silvery and the one with the camera in it?
[22:24.410 --> 22:27.130]  [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, I do not want any cameras in my phone.
[22:29.810 --> 22:31.050]  [SPEAKER_05]: Am I sending this to you?
[22:32.270 --> 22:33.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: What are you sending?
[22:33.610 --> 22:35.890]  [SPEAKER_05]: You asked me to send an SMS message.
[22:36.250 --> 22:41.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, if you could send an SMS, yeah, you can send it to me but send a different message otherwise it might be confusing.
[22:42.570 --> 22:43.530]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, of course.
[22:43.830 --> 22:44.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[22:44.590 --> 22:45.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm sending a message to Bernie S.
[22:46.130 --> 22:46.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: right now.
[22:47.270 --> 22:51.510]  [SPEAKER_04]: And Emmanuel, since you've been traveling in a way all this time, I just have one big question.
[22:52.210 --> 22:53.170]  [SPEAKER_04]: What did you get me?
[22:54.610 --> 22:58.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I got to a lot of memories of things that I've done and seen.
[22:58.650 --> 23:01.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: Of course, a lot of digital photos that we've been taking.
[23:01.510 --> 23:02.730]  [SPEAKER_04]: No cheese from Wisconsin?
[23:03.310 --> 23:09.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: I saw some cheese from Wisconsin and it was in an omelet actually and it was okay, it was great.
[23:10.610 --> 23:12.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: But I don't want to think about cheese again for a while.
[23:13.610 --> 23:15.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: I love this place over there.
[23:15.270 --> 23:16.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: No bottled Mexican water?
[23:17.830 --> 23:19.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: No, I didn't bring any of that.
[23:20.850 --> 23:22.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: Forgot to get bottled Mexican water.
[23:26.830 --> 23:27.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: Okay.
[23:27.430 --> 23:29.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, my handset has still not received your message, Emmanuel.
[23:35.130 --> 23:36.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: That could take a while as well.
[23:37.130 --> 23:41.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, this is something that I think it's a lot of fun to play with.
[23:41.710 --> 23:43.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's the way a lot of people will be doing it.
[23:43.410 --> 23:47.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if we get charged every time we send a message between two companies.
[23:47.330 --> 23:49.010]  [SPEAKER_04]: I think you can count on that.
[23:50.970 --> 24:04.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: Back to my question earlier, Emmanuel, with the advent of some local state and federal agencies switching over from analog to digital two-way radio systems.
[24:05.130 --> 24:19.550]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's caused quite a controversy here in Philadelphia and in other municipalities where this has happened because people as taxpayers feel shut out by not being able to hear their public servants doing their jobs anymore.
[24:20.230 --> 24:25.530]  [SPEAKER_13]: And it's ruffled a lot of feathers here in Philadelphia.
[24:25.730 --> 24:39.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: And the reason that the city council here says that they switched over to this system is to prevent criminals and other people from listening to the police getting dispatched for calls that sort of thing.
[24:39.270 --> 24:49.130]  [SPEAKER_13]: And there's been virtually no recorded instances of that being a problem here in Philadelphia but they still felt it was worth spending $52 million to shut the public out.
[24:49.610 --> 24:54.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: I personally feel that makes the police less accountable when they can't be listened to.
[24:54.810 --> 24:59.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: Of course but my question is is it completely impossible for the public listening.
[25:00.170 --> 25:05.350]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh well Bernie we're going to have to wait until May before we can pick up some stuff to listen.
[25:06.830 --> 25:08.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: The Dayton Hamvention.
[25:08.370 --> 25:08.670]  [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[25:09.090 --> 25:17.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: Uniden has just released a scanner that is about $700 that will decode these digital transmissions.
[25:17.610 --> 25:22.350]  [SPEAKER_13]: However they can also be encrypted and if they're encrypted then you're out of luck.
[25:22.790 --> 25:28.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: That would also be a crime to decrypt an encrypted message over the air.
[25:28.990 --> 25:37.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: So the Philadelphia police has chosen to encrypt the sensitive communications and some of the other communications they're not encrypting.
[25:37.170 --> 25:42.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: For some reason they are encrypting the fire ground communications for the fire department too.
[25:43.170 --> 25:47.150]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's a scene of a fire where they're putting out a fire to a radius.
[25:47.410 --> 26:01.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: For some reason they're encrypting those transmissions which seems to make no sense because it's not like a drug task force or something where you have to sneak up on the drug dealers or something like that.
[26:01.550 --> 26:03.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: If there's a fire it's a life or death thing.
[26:03.910 --> 26:12.950]  [SPEAKER_13]: Especially neighbors in the area would want to know where the fire is so if it's close to them they can get the heck out of there or get away from harm's way.
[26:12.950 --> 26:19.390]  [SPEAKER_13]: So anyway it's kind of interesting what Philadelphia has chosen to encrypt and not encrypt on this new digital radio system.
[26:19.610 --> 26:24.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: You mentioned that it would be illegal to decrypt this.
[26:24.510 --> 26:40.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: It brings to mind what people do with satellite television and cable companies where they figure out ways of decrypting whatever encryption standard powerful week they might be using and occasionally they get raided by people usually for selling equipment to do various things like that.
[26:40.930 --> 26:52.870]  [SPEAKER_08]: But what I'm wondering is how strong an encryption standard will they be using for these police communications and will they be treating anybody who dares decrypt them as some kind of a terrorist?
[26:53.330 --> 26:54.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's a good question.
[26:54.630 --> 26:55.710]  [SPEAKER_13]: We'll probably see.
[26:55.830 --> 26:57.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: The key links are pretty long.
[26:57.390 --> 27:07.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: It uses something called DESXL and it's probably not as robust in encryption as the satellite television companies are using.
[27:07.810 --> 27:16.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: And the satellite TV stuff I think is more of a cloning thing where an existing account is just cloned into a lot of cards, isn't it?
[27:17.170 --> 27:19.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: I believe there's some actual decryption going on.
[27:19.950 --> 27:23.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not really involved in that world so I don't know for sure, but I don't think it's just cloning.
[27:24.350 --> 27:26.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, I'm sure it will happen eventually.
[27:26.770 --> 27:31.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: Either a key will be leaked or someone will stumble upon it.
[27:31.890 --> 27:38.670]  [SPEAKER_13]: And if they open their mouth and get slapped, we'll find out how hard they get slapped.
[27:38.950 --> 27:40.610]  [SPEAKER_13]: But we'll keep an eye on that issue.
[27:40.730 --> 27:57.070]  [SPEAKER_13]: I think it's an important issue that the citizens who pay their local state and federal law enforcement agencies to do a job and also pay for the equipment that they use to communicate should have some sort of oversight and being able to hear them in action is one way of doing that.
[27:57.450 --> 28:04.670]  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm curious if you know Bernie how much money this brand new system costs.
[28:06.170 --> 28:13.850]  [SPEAKER_13]: The initial contract was $52 million but supposedly it's gone well over budget.
[28:14.070 --> 28:16.330]  [SPEAKER_13]: So it was well over $52 million.
[28:17.410 --> 28:20.230]  [SPEAKER_05]: It seems like a lot of money to kind of exclude people.
[28:20.730 --> 28:22.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: I thought it was a tremendous amount of money.
[28:24.250 --> 28:29.230]  [SPEAKER_13]: Philadelphia has the highest city wage tax of virtually any city in the United States.
[28:29.630 --> 28:31.430]  [SPEAKER_13]: So that's where the money is going.
[28:32.050 --> 28:47.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: What happens if say you find a radio at a hamvention for instance that is an old radio that is able to receive these encrypted communications are they able to simply turn off particular radios or once you get one are you able to listen to everything all over again?
[28:48.210 --> 29:06.030]  [SPEAKER_13]: The radios do support something are which stands for over the air re-keying so if a radio is lost the dispatcher can immediately disable that radio so it can't be used to receive or transmit
[29:09.830 --> 29:25.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: and they can change the keys they can re-key all the radios quickly as well so they can just disable a radio or they can re-key all of them to prevent others from like if If the key got out, they could just change the key, and then whoever had a previous key would be out of luck.
[29:26.210 --> 29:30.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: This is something we should watch both in Philadelphia and throughout the nation and throughout the world, in fact.
[29:30.310 --> 29:37.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: So if people out there know their local police department, what kind of system they're using, we'd like to hear about that as well.
[29:37.210 --> 29:43.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: We'd like to know if you've gone to a system that is impossible to listen to or more difficult to listen to.
[29:44.590 --> 29:46.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think people have the right to know this.
[29:46.310 --> 29:49.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's very disturbing when such things simply get taken away.
[29:49.630 --> 29:56.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: There's a website where you can get more information about this, and the URL is strongsignals.net.
[29:57.150 --> 30:00.990]  [SPEAKER_13]: So www.strongsignals.net, all one word.
[30:01.350 --> 30:04.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: And a lot of these systems have a lot of glitches and problems, too.
[30:05.170 --> 30:13.410]  [SPEAKER_13]: And there's a lot of dead spots for these new digital systems where police and firefighters are saying that their radios don't work in certain places.
[30:13.410 --> 30:23.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: So it's a lot of growing pains with this technology, not the least of which is shutting the citizens out from hearing their public servants in action.
[30:23.510 --> 30:32.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: And at the same time, while they're getting more privacy for the police, there's less privacy for people trying to talk on their phones.
[30:32.410 --> 30:43.110]  [SPEAKER_04]: And while we're speaking of public servants in action, you're listening to 99.5 WBAI-FM in New York.
[30:43.810 --> 30:44.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.
[30:44.370 --> 30:45.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: Where else could you hear things like this?
[30:45.790 --> 30:46.190]  [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[30:46.190 --> 31:01.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: But basically, there's all kinds of issues involving locations of cell phones where they will know where you're calling from at a particular time, geographically, where your phone number is transmitted regardless of whether or not you want it to be.
[31:01.850 --> 31:06.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: And your phone calls are listened in on by various entities.
[31:06.530 --> 31:09.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: And these are all technologies that are being actively developed.
[31:09.150 --> 31:16.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: And they want you not to listen to what they are doing, but those very same people want to be able to listen to what you're doing.
[31:18.050 --> 31:18.870]  [SPEAKER_13]: How about that?
[31:19.250 --> 31:19.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[31:19.950 --> 31:22.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: Let me just point out, I received a message from Mike.
[31:22.610 --> 31:24.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: Let me make sure this is your message.
[31:24.450 --> 31:30.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: It started with an open parenthesis, a colon and two closed parenthesis, which I believe is sort of a smiley face.
[31:31.270 --> 31:33.330]  [SPEAKER_08]: And then it says, a different message.
[31:33.870 --> 31:34.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: Does that affect your message?
[31:35.170 --> 31:35.970]  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's what I wrote.
[31:36.130 --> 31:36.730]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's what you wrote.
[31:36.790 --> 31:37.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so I received that message.
[31:37.890 --> 31:39.050]  [SPEAKER_08]: You initiated that message.
[31:39.890 --> 31:41.810]  [SPEAKER_08]: So you figured out how to send that message.
[31:41.950 --> 31:43.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to reply to that message.
[31:44.310 --> 31:46.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: Make sure the reply function works as well.
[31:46.170 --> 31:47.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: Bernie, have you not received the message yet?
[31:47.990 --> 31:51.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: I have not, but it could be because my handset is a rather old one.
[31:51.270 --> 31:52.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's about three years old.
[31:52.290 --> 31:53.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: It does have some features that I like.
[31:54.050 --> 31:58.190]  [SPEAKER_13]: But I need to update the firmware, the software on it.
[31:58.290 --> 32:04.270]  [SPEAKER_13]: So it could be that this software upgrade I need will then give me the ability to receive these messages.
[32:04.510 --> 32:08.090]  [SPEAKER_13]: So I'll do that this coming week, and we'll give it another try.
[32:08.090 --> 32:13.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, well, it's fun with cell phones and technology and things like that.
[32:14.430 --> 32:17.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: Has there been any developments with various issues?
[32:18.070 --> 32:18.490]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[32:18.650 --> 32:20.730]  [SPEAKER_04]: We have, as you know, Jim sitting here.
[32:20.830 --> 32:21.690]  [SPEAKER_04]: He's got some news.
[32:22.050 --> 32:22.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, let's hear it, Jim.
[32:23.810 --> 32:29.110]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I've joined the ranks of the...
[32:30.230 --> 32:31.390]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'm now a felon.
[32:31.530 --> 32:32.150]  [SPEAKER_06]: Let's put it that way.
[32:32.670 --> 32:33.010]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wow.
[32:33.410 --> 32:33.630]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[32:33.750 --> 32:34.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: Go in the club.
[32:34.870 --> 32:36.510]  [SPEAKER_06]: I can't talk to you about it, unfortunately.
[32:37.230 --> 32:39.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: If you're a felon, you can't talk to me on the answer anymore.
[32:39.730 --> 32:39.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: Ah.
[32:41.010 --> 32:43.590]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right, Bernie, from now on, direct your comments away from Jim.
[32:43.990 --> 32:44.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right.
[32:44.670 --> 32:45.830]  [SPEAKER_06]: Face the other way, I guess.
[32:46.350 --> 32:52.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, Jim, I don't know if you can respond to things that Bernie says to us, or if we have to repeat everything for you.
[32:52.970 --> 32:55.730]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I think I can probably respond to things.
[32:55.730 --> 32:57.450]  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't think we can direct things at each other.
[32:57.530 --> 32:58.010]  [SPEAKER_06]: That's the thing.
[32:59.070 --> 32:59.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[32:59.490 --> 33:01.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, then, you two are no longer speaking.
[33:03.190 --> 33:10.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: And how long will Jim and myself be on non-speaking terms, I wonder?
[33:11.330 --> 33:13.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: Jim, I wonder how long this will last.
[33:15.650 --> 33:17.790]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, already, it's way too long for the show.
[33:18.410 --> 33:21.890]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I get sentenced towards the end of March.
[33:23.430 --> 33:26.030]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to do five years probation, no jail time.
[33:26.770 --> 33:27.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: Wait, I have a question, though.
[33:28.050 --> 33:30.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: Are you not a felon until you're sentenced?
[33:31.310 --> 33:32.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: I've already pled.
[33:33.390 --> 33:34.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but...
[33:34.270 --> 33:35.350]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's a good question.
[33:35.550 --> 33:36.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: Does somebody know?
[33:36.450 --> 33:39.990]  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, are you considered a felon after the sentencing date or before this?
[33:40.510 --> 33:41.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: Not a convicted felon.
[33:41.790 --> 33:42.870]  [SPEAKER_04]: He's pre-felon?
[33:44.690 --> 33:45.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well...
[33:45.090 --> 33:45.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: He's a felon to be.
[33:46.910 --> 33:47.510]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, gee.
[33:50.610 --> 33:53.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: If you haven't been sentenced, then I don't think you're convicted yet.
[33:53.790 --> 33:54.230]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, okay.
[33:54.290 --> 33:54.870]  [SPEAKER_06]: Then we can talk.
[33:55.690 --> 33:55.910]  [SPEAKER_13]: Phew.
[33:56.290 --> 33:56.810]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, uh...
[33:56.810 --> 33:58.690]  [SPEAKER_13]: We better get five years' worth in real quick.
[33:59.310 --> 34:03.930]  [SPEAKER_06]: Since I'm a felon to be, I wonder if I can get a registry someplace like Wilmingdale's.
[34:04.970 --> 34:06.030]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's Bridesby.
[34:07.130 --> 34:07.490]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yes.
[34:07.650 --> 34:09.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, anything else that this is good?
[34:11.310 --> 34:12.170]  [SPEAKER_10]: Oh, let's see.
[34:13.850 --> 34:15.350]  [SPEAKER_10]: Um, I got some news stories.
[34:15.970 --> 34:17.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: I was asking Jim if there's anything else.
[34:17.590 --> 34:17.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh.
[34:18.250 --> 34:18.870]  [SPEAKER_06]: No, no.
[34:19.130 --> 34:20.490]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's just the same old deal.
[34:21.710 --> 34:24.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: No financial problems as far as, like, having to pay restitution?
[34:24.910 --> 34:25.610]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, no.
[34:25.770 --> 34:29.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: Just the financial problem of, uh, you know, having no job.
[34:29.630 --> 34:29.890]  I know.
[34:30.590 --> 34:34.430]  [SPEAKER_06]: So, if anybody would like to hire a soon-to-be felon, I'll do anything.
[34:34.690 --> 34:34.870]  Okay.
[34:34.930 --> 34:36.790]  [SPEAKER_11]: And if there are any other subway systems in town?
[34:37.350 --> 34:39.150]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah, but I can do other things.
[34:39.650 --> 34:40.190]  [SPEAKER_11]: That's true.
[34:40.350 --> 34:40.690]  That's true.
[34:40.770 --> 34:43.990]  [SPEAKER_06]: I was an award-winning web designer for a short period of time.
[34:44.490 --> 34:47.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, speaking of subways, though, just a brief mention of this because I think it'd be interesting.
[34:48.130 --> 34:53.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: We were in the Chicago subway system, which uses the exact same, uh, MetroCard system.
[34:54.050 --> 34:56.470]  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, the Cards, uh, you know, work the same way.
[34:57.110 --> 34:58.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, one big difference, though.
[34:58.350 --> 35:02.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: So, their turnstiles suck in the card, like if you're on a bus.
[35:02.970 --> 35:08.850]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, you simply put the card in, and it, uh, you know, it sucks it in, and if it doesn't work, it tells you why.
[35:09.150 --> 35:13.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: And, by the way, if you put a New York City MetroCard in there, you get an error 14, please see the attendant.
[35:13.970 --> 35:14.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: Did you get the card back?
[35:15.150 --> 35:15.270]  [SPEAKER_06]: Did you?
[35:15.430 --> 35:16.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yep, you get the card back.
[35:16.690 --> 35:18.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: I did not see the attendant, but, uh...
[35:18.390 --> 35:39.270]  [SPEAKER_06]: You should have, because the Chicago cards in the New York system, uh, would read like normal cards, except with outrageous, uh, information, like $500 worth of, uh, uh, rides on them, and, uh, the last-use place would be, uh, a code that I didn't recognize,
[35:39.530 --> 35:44.890]  [SPEAKER_06]: and last-use time would be something impossible, like, you know, uh, the year 3945.
[35:46.290 --> 35:47.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: Did it actually open the turnstile?
[35:49.670 --> 35:50.430]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, no.
[35:51.070 --> 35:51.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
[35:51.770 --> 35:56.230]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we've got a couple of cards we're going to bring back to see what they do over in New York as well.
[35:56.430 --> 36:02.030]  [SPEAKER_06]: We, uh, we had a caller, uh, call in and say that, uh, technically I am a felon, so I'm not talking to Bernie.
[36:02.390 --> 36:06.270]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so let's impose the silence, and this would be for what, three years, five years?
[36:06.390 --> 36:06.710]  [SPEAKER_06]: Five.
[36:07.190 --> 36:07.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: Five years?
[36:08.650 --> 36:10.170]  [SPEAKER_08]: Wow, so in 2008.
[36:10.430 --> 36:11.650]  [SPEAKER_06]: It gets even more interesting.
[36:11.650 --> 36:21.610]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, they've already told me what I cannot carry, and I, I, I, I can't imagine them ever having enforced this previously in, in New York, but this is what the law says.
[36:21.810 --> 36:30.990]  [SPEAKER_06]: I can't carry a lighter, matches, a box cutter, spray paint, uh, there, there's some other absurd things.
[36:31.110 --> 36:34.010]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm, next time I'm at the probation office, I'll copy it down.
[36:34.610 --> 36:35.270]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, just a review.
[36:36.230 --> 36:39.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's much that you don't smoke, because if you did, I'd wonder how you'd light up.
[36:39.570 --> 36:40.470]  [SPEAKER_06]: That's what I'm wondering.
[36:40.470 --> 36:43.770]  [SPEAKER_06]: I guess you have to, like, sit in your car and smoke, and just use the lighter at the car.
[36:43.910 --> 36:47.070]  [SPEAKER_08]: Or, maybe they're trying to break all, all felons of the smoking habit.
[36:47.370 --> 36:48.270]  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, that would be good.
[36:48.290 --> 36:51.250]  [SPEAKER_06]: You're not going to be able to smoke in, uh, New York jails pretty soon.
[36:51.390 --> 36:53.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: He can carry flint and steel, though.
[36:53.750 --> 36:55.050]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I guess I could.
[36:55.190 --> 36:56.590]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so you, you, you, you can still smoke.
[36:56.590 --> 36:58.830]  [SPEAKER_13]: Unless it's a blade that you're striking a steel.
[36:58.830 --> 37:01.130]  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes, your blades must be under four inches.
[37:01.670 --> 37:02.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: What about the sword?
[37:02.630 --> 37:03.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: You can't carry that anymore?
[37:03.770 --> 37:06.410]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, no, no, but I had given up the sword.
[37:06.590 --> 37:09.470]  [SPEAKER_06]: I had gone for the, uh, the two-handed, two-headed axe.
[37:10.470 --> 37:11.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, Leo, you had a story.
[37:11.750 --> 37:13.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: Let's, uh, take some focus after we hear from you.
[37:13.690 --> 37:16.690]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay, uh, there's a few of them, but I'll mention only a couple.
[37:16.930 --> 37:21.450]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, there's one about a Japanese scientist who invents, uh, quote-unquote, invisibility cloak.
[37:21.890 --> 37:28.350]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, basically, a Japanese scientist has developed a code which appears to make the wearer invisible.
[37:28.830 --> 37:34.930]  [SPEAKER_10]: The illusion was part of a demonstration of optical camouflage technology at Tokyo University.
[37:34.930 --> 37:44.570]  [SPEAKER_10]: It's the brainchild of Professor Susumu Tachi, who is in the early stage of research he hopes will eventually make camouflaged objects virtually transparent.
[37:44.950 --> 37:46.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: Does anybody have any video of this?
[37:47.010 --> 37:48.430]  [SPEAKER_10]: Uh, I have a photograph.
[37:48.870 --> 37:51.230]  [SPEAKER_10]: Basically, and, uh, well, I'm going to see how it works first.
[37:51.570 --> 37:51.770]  [SPEAKER_10]: Just basically...
[37:51.770 --> 37:52.470]  [SPEAKER_13]: Wait a second, Leo.
[37:52.630 --> 37:54.630]  [SPEAKER_13]: I want to go back up to your first, your first comment.
[37:54.770 --> 37:58.850]  [SPEAKER_13]: You said this, this appears to make the wearer invisible.
[37:59.250 --> 38:00.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: Is that sort of a contradiction in terms?
[38:00.930 --> 38:02.130]  [SPEAKER_06]: You sort of...
[38:02.130 --> 38:04.730]  [SPEAKER_06]: It's not, it's not really all that good, the technology.
[38:04.990 --> 38:07.130]  [SPEAKER_06]: There's a photo here that he printed off the webpage.
[38:07.590 --> 38:11.410]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, the guy is wearing a shirt, and you, it looks like you can see through him.
[38:11.590 --> 38:23.170]  [SPEAKER_06]: But because of the technicalities involved, there's a camera on the back, the perspective is a bit off, and it's obvious that it's a guy wearing a shirt that is essentially a TV screen.
[38:23.510 --> 38:28.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's a step, you know, it's a step towards being invisible, and that's what we've all yearned for for many years.
[38:28.450 --> 38:30.150]  [SPEAKER_08]: Is there a picture online we can look at?
[38:30.150 --> 38:33.930]  [SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I can give you the news story, you're actually, you know, it's going to be way too long.
[38:34.070 --> 38:43.670]  [SPEAKER_10]: It's at annanova.com, and basically do a search for S-U-S-U-M-U space T-A-C-H-I.
[38:43.910 --> 38:45.910]  [SPEAKER_07]: Or just look for invisible cloak on the net.
[38:46.750 --> 38:49.170]  [SPEAKER_07]: One more time, one more time, what is that?
[38:49.170 --> 38:52.110]  [SPEAKER_10]: It's annanova.com, that's the website.
[38:52.450 --> 39:02.430]  [SPEAKER_10]: And look for the name S-U-S-U-M-U space T-A-C-H-I.
[39:02.990 --> 39:06.590]  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, how about people just email you and get that from you directly?
[39:07.830 --> 39:08.470]  [SPEAKER_10]: Okay.
[39:09.110 --> 39:11.090]  [SPEAKER_10]: But my mailbox is going to fill up really fast.
[39:11.550 --> 39:12.590]  [SPEAKER_10]: Actually, I'll give it out.
[39:12.590 --> 39:16.250]  [SPEAKER_10]: But it's leo at annamon.com.
[39:16.930 --> 39:24.110]  [SPEAKER_10]: That's leo, L-E-O, at E-N-A-M-O-N, dot com.
[39:24.930 --> 39:28.630]  [SPEAKER_08]: All right, our phone number, 212-209-2900.
[39:28.810 --> 39:32.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's for people out there that want to call in and share some information with us.
[39:33.030 --> 39:34.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: Jeff, do we have our full switchboard?
[39:34.490 --> 39:34.970]  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[39:35.050 --> 39:35.330]  [SPEAKER_04]: You ready?
[39:42.590 --> 39:43.010]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll try it tonight.
[39:43.030 --> 39:48.090]  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm using the very scientific E-M-M-M technique.
[39:48.350 --> 39:51.130]  [SPEAKER_08]: It's the proper name, Rebel, for those of you who might be listening for the first time.
[39:51.190 --> 39:57.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: We like Rebels in general, but, you know, the proper name with a capital R, let's just give people a chance.
[39:57.790 --> 39:58.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: Go ahead.
[39:59.290 --> 40:00.270]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, you're on the air.
[40:01.170 --> 40:01.570]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[40:02.170 --> 40:04.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to talk about the matrix system again.
[40:06.110 --> 40:08.610]  [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to mention Emmanuel Goldstein.
[40:08.610 --> 40:18.390]  [SPEAKER_02]: You may not know this, but he's in the New Yorker, fairly close to the front of the book about Kevin Mitnick.
[40:18.730 --> 40:20.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: I had heard that, yes.
[40:20.110 --> 40:22.090]  [SPEAKER_08]: There's a story in the current New Yorker.
[40:22.250 --> 40:24.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's still on the stands about Kevin Mitnick.
[40:24.850 --> 40:25.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the current.
[40:25.610 --> 40:28.070]  [SPEAKER_02]: You and Wozniak showed him how the world is.
[40:28.650 --> 40:30.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we told him what was up.
[40:30.590 --> 40:32.810]  [SPEAKER_02]: And you said, don't be freaked out by advertising.
[40:34.050 --> 40:35.150]  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's your quote.
[40:35.350 --> 40:36.450]  [SPEAKER_02]: That's all I wanted to say.
[40:36.450 --> 40:43.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: I did say that, and I said to a lot of people, fight advertising, but don't be freaked out by it because it's everywhere and you've got to do something about it.
[40:43.910 --> 40:44.430]  [SPEAKER_02]: Ignoring it.
[40:44.550 --> 40:45.230]  [SPEAKER_02]: So we did that idea.
[40:45.450 --> 40:45.750]  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[40:46.110 --> 40:46.870]  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you very much.
[40:50.730 --> 40:51.710]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, you're on the air.
[40:52.390 --> 40:54.230]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'd like to mention that.
[40:54.550 --> 40:55.090]  [SPEAKER_07]: Number two.
[40:56.050 --> 40:56.950]  [SPEAKER_08]: How does it feel?
[40:56.950 --> 40:59.410]  [SPEAKER_08]: How does it feel, Rebel, to be mentioned by name like that?
[41:00.190 --> 41:02.590]  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's ironic he's number two, but anyway.
[41:02.970 --> 41:03.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: Rebel, you have a sentence.
[41:04.050 --> 41:04.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: Make it a good sentence.
[41:05.410 --> 41:08.870]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right, I'd like to mention that everybody wants a toll-free number now.
[41:09.010 --> 41:15.010]  [SPEAKER_07]: Even local numbers, like for, let's say, the New York City Department of Health, they changed their phone number.
[41:15.150 --> 41:17.510]  [SPEAKER_08]: Right, that was a period, so that's the second sentence.
[41:17.950 --> 41:20.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: They changed their phone number to a toll-free number.
[41:20.950 --> 41:27.110]  [SPEAKER_07]: And what it is, it's like one of those toll-free numbers where it's an 888 or 877 or whatever.
[41:27.770 --> 41:32.030]  [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, you know why they're having those toll-free numbers right there?
[41:32.630 --> 41:33.070]  [SPEAKER_06]: Why?
[41:33.570 --> 41:36.470]  [SPEAKER_07]: Because guess what you get when you call a toll-free number?
[41:37.030 --> 41:40.210]  [SPEAKER_01]: Call the talk line at 800-400-TALK for exciting people nationwide.
[41:40.850 --> 41:42.450]  [SPEAKER_01]: 800-400-T-A-L-K.
[41:42.650 --> 41:43.670]  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, okay.
[41:43.910 --> 41:46.830]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's what you get when you call an 800 number now.
[41:47.670 --> 41:51.290]  [SPEAKER_07]: Order like 800, if you wanted to call like 800-Healthcare or something.
[41:51.530 --> 41:52.210]  [SPEAKER_06]: Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[41:52.290 --> 41:54.830]  [SPEAKER_06]: That wasn't specifically that talk line that you called.
[41:54.830 --> 41:56.710]  [SPEAKER_06]: You called another number and got that?
[41:58.210 --> 41:59.010]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yes, you did.
[41:59.490 --> 42:00.510]  [SPEAKER_06]: Wow, that's wild.
[42:00.650 --> 42:03.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: Whatever it is, it can't be as bad as what we get when we pick up the phone sometimes.
[42:03.850 --> 42:05.490]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, somehow that call dropped out.
[42:05.570 --> 42:06.310]  [SPEAKER_04]: It was not me.
[42:08.110 --> 42:09.210]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, you're on the air.
[42:10.110 --> 42:10.570]  [SPEAKER_17]: Hi.
[42:11.030 --> 42:11.370]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello.
[42:11.750 --> 42:17.670]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, so I had problems with the 1212 thing.
[42:18.950 --> 42:21.850]  [SPEAKER_17]: My modem wouldn't connect to Earthlink.
[42:22.710 --> 42:23.430]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, really?
[42:25.910 --> 42:33.250]  [SPEAKER_17]: And so I had to reset everything to 1212 plus the numbers.
[42:33.430 --> 42:34.390]  [SPEAKER_04]: But it's working now.
[42:34.610 --> 42:35.070]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah.
[42:35.290 --> 42:35.590]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[42:35.950 --> 42:36.670]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's working now.
[42:36.790 --> 42:40.890]  [SPEAKER_17]: And the Adanova thing, that's a little bogus.
[42:40.890 --> 42:52.490]  [SPEAKER_17]: The picture that they show there, it's actually, what's happening is they've got a projector at the position of the camera.
[42:52.490 --> 43:00.810]  [SPEAKER_17]: And the person wearing the cloak, it's like a self-reflecting back.
[43:02.770 --> 43:12.050]  [SPEAKER_17]: They have a camera behind the person and a projector at the position of the camera.
[43:12.050 --> 43:24.110]  [SPEAKER_17]: And they're, it's the same technology that reflects, like, your car headlights back at you off street signs.
[43:26.510 --> 43:37.830]  [SPEAKER_17]: So it's really, you know, it's almost a fake picture, or at least the Adanova story is just, really just doesn't know what they're talking about.
[43:38.270 --> 43:40.550]  [SPEAKER_05]: Even with all this, it doesn't look very convincing.
[43:41.330 --> 43:42.030]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, yeah.
[43:42.490 --> 43:45.450]  [SPEAKER_17]: Yeah, it's just a demonstration of possible technology.
[43:45.650 --> 43:47.690]  [SPEAKER_17]: It's really not even there at all.
[43:47.690 --> 43:48.170]  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[43:48.350 --> 43:48.970]  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you very much.
[43:49.090 --> 43:49.250]  [SPEAKER_17]: Okay.
[43:52.030 --> 43:53.010]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, you're on the air.
[43:53.670 --> 43:54.050]  [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[43:54.250 --> 43:56.030]  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, what I'm not going to also mention is that...
[43:56.030 --> 43:56.570]  [SPEAKER_07]: All right, that's it.
[43:56.850 --> 43:57.370]  [SPEAKER_07]: That's it.
[43:57.650 --> 43:59.250]  [SPEAKER_07]: You may not use the phone anymore.
[44:00.230 --> 44:00.610]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[44:01.050 --> 44:01.430]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm recording.
[44:02.290 --> 44:03.290]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, you're on the air.
[44:03.750 --> 44:04.410]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, hi.
[44:05.230 --> 44:14.150]  [SPEAKER_14]: I've been noticing with the 11-digit dialing that there are certain numbers that I can dial and certain I can't, and it seems to depend on what the first number of the phone number is.
[44:14.330 --> 44:15.430]  [SPEAKER_06]: Ah, in what way?
[44:15.430 --> 44:21.310]  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, if it starts with a 2 or with a 3, I don't have to dial the 11-digits or the 10-digits.
[44:22.250 --> 44:28.090]  [SPEAKER_14]: And if it starts with a 6 or a 9, which, you know, higher numbers, it seems to be that I have to.
[44:28.490 --> 44:30.590]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but this depends on your area code.
[44:30.710 --> 44:33.630]  [SPEAKER_04]: Someone else in a different area code may have different numbers that they're close to.
[44:33.710 --> 44:33.910]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, sure.
[44:34.090 --> 44:34.370]  [SPEAKER_14]: Okay.
[44:34.750 --> 44:35.790]  [SPEAKER_14]: Or in a different exchange.
[44:36.230 --> 44:37.470]  [SPEAKER_14]: You know, I have no idea.
[44:37.710 --> 44:39.690]  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm just, you know, pointing out what happened on my phone.
[44:39.710 --> 44:40.050]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, no, no.
[44:40.690 --> 44:42.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: Can you tell us your area code of exchange?
[44:42.850 --> 44:45.530]  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, yeah, it's 212-473.
[44:46.050 --> 44:48.530]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so that's like downtown Manhattan, right?
[44:48.530 --> 44:48.630]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yep.
[44:49.290 --> 44:53.370]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so people there, you're saying you were able to dial us with 7 digits?
[44:53.930 --> 45:03.030]  [SPEAKER_14]: Right, I can dial like the 674 exchange or the 966 exchange, which are not as close to me as like the 253 exchange.
[45:03.250 --> 45:03.730]  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh-huh.
[45:03.730 --> 45:08.610]  [SPEAKER_14]: Um, but with the 253 exchange, I have to dial the entire, uh, 11 digits.
[45:09.110 --> 45:10.990]  [SPEAKER_14]: Or I get that, uh, that punishment tone?
[45:11.590 --> 45:11.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[45:12.090 --> 45:14.430]  [SPEAKER_08]: Did you have to dial each 11 digits to get to us?
[45:14.830 --> 45:15.830]  [SPEAKER_14]: Uh, yeah, I did.
[45:15.970 --> 45:18.890]  [SPEAKER_14]: I had to dial the, uh, the whole thing for you guys, uh, start with the 2.
[45:19.190 --> 45:21.650]  [SPEAKER_08]: Have you tried, uh, dialing without the 1?
[45:22.430 --> 45:24.230]  [SPEAKER_14]: You mean just dialing the 212?
[45:24.750 --> 45:25.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: And the 2, yeah.
[45:26.330 --> 45:27.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, no, I haven't.
[45:27.710 --> 45:31.210]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, I'd be curious to know if that works, if you have about 10 digits instead of 11.
[45:31.210 --> 45:36.330]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, my, my theory is they just did a crappy job putting this thing together and it just doesn't work right.
[45:36.770 --> 45:36.970]  [SPEAKER_14]: That's true.
[45:36.970 --> 45:40.750]  [SPEAKER_14]: It's not part of any, like, real, you know, approach to anything.
[45:40.990 --> 45:41.370]  [SPEAKER_04]: You think?
[45:41.630 --> 45:42.070]  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
[45:42.290 --> 45:42.530]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[45:44.050 --> 45:44.850]  [SPEAKER_14]: All right, thanks.
[45:44.990 --> 45:45.550]  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you very much.
[45:45.690 --> 45:46.270]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, take care.
[45:48.470 --> 45:49.510]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, you're on the air.
[45:50.130 --> 45:50.810]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, hi.
[45:51.410 --> 45:52.390]  [SPEAKER_12]: Um, two things.
[45:52.530 --> 45:56.470]  [SPEAKER_12]: One for me, uh, Kevin Mitnick's is defenseofthinking.com?
[45:56.770 --> 45:57.090]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[45:57.550 --> 46:03.590]  [SPEAKER_12]: And the other thing, while in Buffalo, go to, for Emmanuel, go to, uh, La Nova.
[46:04.190 --> 46:04.850]  [SPEAKER_15]: What's that?
[46:05.750 --> 46:11.010]  [SPEAKER_12]: That's the biggest, best pizza and wings and so-and-so on.
[46:11.670 --> 46:12.910]  [SPEAKER_12]: Sari Street or Main Street?
[46:13.710 --> 46:19.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, uh, you know, I will be there, uh, tomorrow for breakfast, but I can do that on the way up.
[46:19.290 --> 46:21.050]  [SPEAKER_12]: Don't forget to bring the guys something.
[46:22.070 --> 46:24.130]  [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, we'll bring a whole bag of wings, yeah.
[46:24.210 --> 46:25.270]  [SPEAKER_11]: I didn't put her up to that.
[46:25.270 --> 46:31.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: No, no, no, no, no, but, uh, listen, if it's good enough for Clinton and his lady, it may be good enough for you.
[46:31.670 --> 46:32.270]  [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know.
[46:32.430 --> 46:33.710]  [SPEAKER_12]: They had it delivered on the plane.
[46:34.330 --> 46:36.750]  [SPEAKER_06]: Let me, let me, let me just ask the caller a question.
[46:36.890 --> 46:39.530]  [SPEAKER_06]: You're not a native, uh, of this country, are you?
[46:40.990 --> 46:43.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: Uh, uh, what does that have to do?
[46:43.370 --> 46:44.690]  [SPEAKER_06]: Uh, well, I'm, I'm just curious.
[46:44.910 --> 46:50.310]  [SPEAKER_06]: Buffalo, I mean, my, my mother's family comes from Chautauqua County, which is 40 miles west of Buffalo.
[46:50.610 --> 46:51.190]  [SPEAKER_12]: Yes, here they.
[46:51.190 --> 46:57.950]  [SPEAKER_06]: And, and, and, and, Buffalo is not one of those cities that's really an internationally urban center, as far as I know.
[46:58.330 --> 47:02.450]  [SPEAKER_06]: And I'm just amazed that, that, that you managed to get there.
[47:02.750 --> 47:04.410]  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm very pleased with that.
[47:04.650 --> 47:05.630]  [SPEAKER_06]: I, I don't mean anything.
[47:05.630 --> 47:09.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: I, I, I might tell you off the, of the, of the, of the air, how I know.
[47:10.070 --> 47:10.310]  Okay.
[47:10.910 --> 47:17.250]  [SPEAKER_12]: And, uh, the, uh, phone number to the anchor bar is 716-888-440-083.
[47:17.970 --> 47:19.770]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, well, we've already contacted them.
[47:20.010 --> 47:25.290]  [SPEAKER_12]: And if you, Emmanuel, if you forget to bring the sauces, you may make it up by buying them at Walmart.
[47:26.010 --> 47:26.450]  [SPEAKER_12]: Okay.
[47:27.190 --> 47:27.370]  [SPEAKER_12]: Walmart.
[47:27.370 --> 47:28.310]  [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you very much.
[47:29.290 --> 47:29.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: Bye.
[47:30.350 --> 47:30.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: Thanks.
[47:32.710 --> 47:35.710]  [SPEAKER_06]: I would love to know where she was from and how she got the Buffalo.
[47:36.430 --> 47:37.250]  [SPEAKER_08]: That's just amazing.
[47:37.450 --> 47:40.010]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'll call you on the private line out after the show is over.
[47:40.350 --> 47:44.970]  [SPEAKER_04]: And, Emmanuel, we would accept wings on Friday night if you were able to bring some, some of the hot stuff back.
[47:44.970 --> 47:47.170]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, get, get a, get a party pack for, what, 200?
[47:48.650 --> 47:50.250]  [SPEAKER_16]: Let's see if I make it out of there first.
[47:50.410 --> 47:51.010]  [SPEAKER_04]: All right, all right.
[47:52.090 --> 47:53.030]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, you're on the air.
[47:53.030 --> 47:56.390]  [SPEAKER_16]: Hi, I'm in the 718 area code.
[47:56.830 --> 48:04.410]  [SPEAKER_16]: And from my house, I can call my mother, who's in the next building, and I just dial her number without the one in the 718.
[48:04.930 --> 48:05.310]  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[48:05.570 --> 48:15.650]  [SPEAKER_16]: And from my office, I have to dial nine to get an outside line, and then I have to dial one in whatever area called them down, even if it's the same area code.
[48:16.350 --> 48:18.930]  [SPEAKER_16]: So I'm just wondering how, you know...
[48:18.930 --> 48:20.570]  [SPEAKER_08]: Have you tried it without the one?
[48:21.150 --> 48:30.530]  [SPEAKER_16]: Yeah, I tried dialing nine to get the outside line and dialing my mother's number, just the number, because I'm in the, my work is in the 718 area called, too.
[48:30.990 --> 48:31.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh-huh.
[48:31.570 --> 48:34.530]  [SPEAKER_16]: And I keep getting, you know, the busy signals.
[48:34.950 --> 48:37.830]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, have you tried nine and the area code without the one?
[48:38.190 --> 48:39.910]  [SPEAKER_16]: Oh, no, no, that I haven't tried.
[48:40.310 --> 48:44.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, that's what I want people to try, because I think there might be, like, you know, some might work, some might not work.
[48:44.810 --> 48:45.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not sure.
[48:45.450 --> 48:45.670]  [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm.
[48:45.670 --> 48:53.590]  [SPEAKER_05]: But apparently people who own PBXs can do something to play with the dialing rules.
[48:53.850 --> 49:06.030]  [SPEAKER_05]: So for example, the telephone system I live behind, they left me a message in advance saying you wouldn't have to dial the 1212 where I live, which is kind of strange.
[49:06.030 --> 49:12.690]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, here's another secret, but if you, if you own a PBX, you can actually control the caller ID that gets sent out from it.
[49:12.970 --> 49:20.790]  [SPEAKER_08]: So you could, you could have any number you want basically be sent out when, when people make phone calls if you can control a PBX.
[49:20.930 --> 49:22.190]  [SPEAKER_04]: We learned about that this summer.
[49:22.690 --> 49:23.390]  [SPEAKER_08]: Yep, yep.
[49:25.250 --> 49:26.230]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello, you're on the air.
[49:28.510 --> 49:28.910]  [SPEAKER_04]: Hello?
[49:29.310 --> 49:29.530]  [SPEAKER_15]: Hello?
[49:29.870 --> 49:30.410]  [SPEAKER_04]: You're on the air.
[49:31.010 --> 49:31.750]  [SPEAKER_15]: Oh, very good.
[49:31.770 --> 49:42.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: I was going to ask you guys if you had heard, well, first of all, I was going to say, that I'm actually from Atlanta, and we did this 10-digit dialing thing quite a few years ago.
[49:43.650 --> 49:50.350]  [SPEAKER_15]: And currently, anywhere in Atlanta, there's three area codes, and you do not have to dial this one.
[49:50.510 --> 49:56.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: So I'm not exactly sure what kind of craziness your, um, your exchange carrier is doing up there.
[49:57.470 --> 49:59.950]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, and if I may, one other thing.
[50:00.590 --> 50:04.270]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, have any of you guys heard of a company called Vonage?
[50:04.750 --> 50:05.150]  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[50:05.150 --> 50:08.950]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, has anybody had any experience with them, positive or negative?
[50:11.010 --> 50:12.690]  [SPEAKER_06]: Not in, not us in the studio.
[50:13.490 --> 50:15.610]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, um, because here's an interesting thing.
[50:15.630 --> 50:17.530]  [SPEAKER_15]: I recently had to move to another area.
[50:17.690 --> 50:20.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: My friends and family are, you know, still in Atlanta.
[50:20.590 --> 50:24.070]  [SPEAKER_15]: And from what I understand, I've, I've ordered this box from them.
[50:25.650 --> 50:32.290]  [SPEAKER_15]: And when I receive it, I can have any of a number of area codes as my local dialing number.
[50:33.410 --> 50:40.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: So I've moved out of the state of Georgia, and I can have a 404 number that will be local dialing inbound and outbound.
[50:40.910 --> 50:44.350]  [SPEAKER_08]: Is this, is this a cell phone or a regular landline?
[50:44.470 --> 50:47.550]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, it goes over your cable modem or DSL.
[50:47.810 --> 50:48.210]  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh.
[50:48.950 --> 50:59.530]  [SPEAKER_15]: And, um, it supposedly claims, um, that it uses, that you can vary the bandwidth between, um, like, 56K and 90K.
[50:59.530 --> 51:00.450]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[51:00.810 --> 51:13.830]  [SPEAKER_15]: And I just spoke to one of their customer service reps this week, and they said they're going to have something called virtual numbering, which I guess is something like what Southern Bell calls ringmaster, where you can have multiple numbers on the same line.
[51:14.290 --> 51:15.670]  [SPEAKER_15]: But here's the twist.
[51:16.070 --> 51:23.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: For, like, five or ten bucks or whatever they decide to charge, you can have, um, numbers in each area code.
[51:24.510 --> 51:28.230]  [SPEAKER_15]: Like, like, up to three area codes, you can have numbers in.
[51:29.090 --> 51:30.330]  [SPEAKER_15]: That's, that's pretty fascinating.
[51:30.490 --> 51:31.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: And it can be spread out all throughout the country?
[51:32.330 --> 51:38.950]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, yeah, you, I'm totally, I'm not even in an area where they provide, um, service right now.
[51:39.670 --> 51:45.650]  [SPEAKER_15]: And I'm adding a line to my, um, standard, um, telephone line.
[51:46.550 --> 51:49.190]  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, we should find out if anybody else has used this company.
[51:49.270 --> 51:49.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: How do you spell the name?
[51:51.290 --> 51:53.990]  [SPEAKER_15]: V-O-N-A-G-E dot com.
[51:54.550 --> 51:56.970]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'm sorry if you guys can hear the call waiting there, but I'm...
[51:56.970 --> 51:58.630]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, do that one more time, you broke up.
[51:58.730 --> 52:01.470]  [SPEAKER_15]: V-O-N-A-G-E dot com.
[52:01.890 --> 52:02.170]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[52:02.670 --> 52:07.790]  [SPEAKER_15]: And, um, and what I'll try to do is, supposedly, I'm supposed to get the, the box on Friday.
[52:08.670 --> 52:12.610]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, so, like, if you guys want me to call back in and, uh...
[52:12.610 --> 52:12.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: Email.
[52:13.010 --> 52:14.190]  [SPEAKER_15]: ...and hear your experiences and stuff.
[52:14.330 --> 52:17.530]  [SPEAKER_04]: You can email, uh, O-T-H at 2600 dot com.
[52:17.850 --> 52:19.850]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, and I'll put, like, Vonage as the subject.
[52:19.930 --> 52:21.230]  [SPEAKER_15]: Or something, so you guys look for it?
[52:21.370 --> 52:21.470]  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[52:21.610 --> 52:22.010]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay, cool.
[52:22.090 --> 52:24.190]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'll, you know, I'll let you guys know how it sounds and stuff.
[52:24.310 --> 52:25.370]  [SPEAKER_15]: It, it seems pretty cool.
[52:25.910 --> 52:31.310]  [SPEAKER_15]: You know, the only thing I'm scared about is, you know, with every, all these technology companies going under, it would really suck if...
[52:32.890 --> 52:34.190]  [SPEAKER_15]: Your home number stops working.
[52:34.310 --> 52:37.130]  [SPEAKER_15]: But it's got lots of cool stuff, like, uh, forwarding.
[52:37.250 --> 52:38.490]  [SPEAKER_15]: It'll forward to your number.
[52:38.490 --> 52:43.750]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, they have a plan where it's unlimited long distance for, like, 40 bucks a month.
[52:44.310 --> 52:46.730]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, there's my girlfriend trying to reach me on the cell phone.
[52:46.850 --> 52:47.750]  [SPEAKER_13]: I'm looking at their website now.
[52:47.830 --> 52:51.050]  [SPEAKER_13]: $25.99 a month for, uh, unlimited, uh...
[52:51.050 --> 52:51.450]  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[52:51.530 --> 52:52.370]  [SPEAKER_13]: That's unlimited local.
[52:52.530 --> 52:53.570]  [SPEAKER_13]: They have, uh...
[52:53.570 --> 52:53.930]  [SPEAKER_13]: You're right.
[52:53.990 --> 52:55.890]  [SPEAKER_13]: It's, like, $40 a month for, for long distance.
[52:55.890 --> 53:00.210]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, and, and you get 500 minutes, but it'll forward, um...
[53:00.210 --> 53:05.070]  [SPEAKER_15]: It'll forward within, you know, banks against your minutes.
[53:05.850 --> 53:10.950]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, you're, like, for me, I'm getting the $29, the $25.99 thing, and it banks against my minutes.
[53:11.470 --> 53:19.690]  [SPEAKER_15]: Um, but you can set it, like, after a certain number of rings, it'll forward, and if your Internet connection's dropped, then it'll forward to another number, and lots of different features and stuff.
[53:19.850 --> 53:27.770]  [SPEAKER_13]: So this box basically has a bunch of RJ11 jacks that emulate a, uh, a regular analog telephone, uh, jack?
[53:28.130 --> 53:28.410]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah.
[53:28.430 --> 53:33.290]  [SPEAKER_13]: And then, you know, the other end of it has, like, an Ethernet port that you plug into your, your, your hub or router?
[53:33.510 --> 53:37.730]  [SPEAKER_15]: Yeah, they say with a cable modem, you can put it outside, and it'll DHCP its own address.
[53:38.270 --> 53:38.370]  [SPEAKER_15]: Uh-huh.
[53:38.370 --> 53:46.650]  [SPEAKER_15]: But, um, if you, uh, they'll also tell you the ports that it will, um, that'll, you know, to forward through your router or whatever.
[53:46.950 --> 53:49.590]  [SPEAKER_15]: I'm gonna plug it in as a second line on my phone switch.
[53:49.670 --> 53:50.910]  [SPEAKER_15]: I have a phone switch in my house.
[53:51.130 --> 53:53.410]  [SPEAKER_15]: I have a legend, Myrtle, my house.
[53:53.510 --> 53:53.630]  [SPEAKER_15]: Okay.
[53:54.050 --> 53:55.030]  [SPEAKER_08]: Are we, are we out of time?
[53:55.630 --> 53:58.710]  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, Manu, we, we're gonna have to, uh, wrap it up.
[53:58.910 --> 53:59.850]  [SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna have to let people know.
[54:00.250 --> 54:02.290]  [SPEAKER_08]: My phone's about to run out of battery anyway, so...
[54:02.290 --> 54:05.290]  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I'll let everyone know that we're not gonna be here next week.
[54:05.410 --> 54:06.590]  [SPEAKER_04]: They're gonna have the fundraiser.
[54:06.730 --> 54:09.430]  [SPEAKER_04]: We'll be here the following week.
[54:09.810 --> 54:10.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: For an expanded show.
[54:10.750 --> 54:11.390]  [SPEAKER_04]: For the 19th.
[54:11.630 --> 54:13.290]  [SPEAKER_04]: That's right, the 19th expanded show, right.
[54:13.630 --> 54:22.750]  [SPEAKER_08]: Again, folks, email us, OTH at 2600.com if you have any suggestions as to additional material that we can offer from 2600, whether it's put in sweatshirts, coffee mugs, or whatever.
[54:22.990 --> 54:24.930]  [SPEAKER_08]: Just, uh, email us, send us your suggestions.
[54:25.570 --> 54:28.550]  [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, we're gonna be at the Anchor Bar in Buffalo after the show.
[54:28.550 --> 54:31.110]  [SPEAKER_08]: If anyone out there wants to meet us from the Buffalo area.
[54:31.370 --> 54:32.710]  [SPEAKER_08]: Otherwise, we'll see at the current expanded meeting.
[54:32.890 --> 54:33.110]  [SPEAKER_04]: Good.
[54:33.230 --> 54:33.790]  [SPEAKER_04]: See you Friday.
[54:34.630 --> 54:34.930]  [SPEAKER_04]: Good night.
[54:35.510 --> 54:35.910]  [SPEAKER_08]: Good night, everyone.
[54:42.980 --> 54:44.660]  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so mad, me live monks music.
[54:44.780 --> 54:45.640]  [SPEAKER_00]: You see, music...
[54:46.960 --> 54:47.680]  Music, uh...
[54:47.680 --> 54:48.900]  [SPEAKER_00]: A godly thing, you know.
[54:49.920 --> 54:52.420]  [SPEAKER_00]: You see, me live monks country, you know, country.
[54:52.640 --> 54:57.640]  [SPEAKER_00]: Me live monks which bad people meet your man in time and say, Good morning, Uncle Ness.
[54:57.640 --> 54:58.100]  [SPEAKER_00]: How you do?
[54:58.220 --> 54:59.480]  [SPEAKER_00]: God bless you, my son.
[55:00.080 --> 55:01.260]  [SPEAKER_00]: Me live monks, them people.
[55:01.340 --> 55:03.520]  [SPEAKER_00]: Me live monks people who get up on Costco every day.
[55:05.020 --> 55:06.940]  [SPEAKER_00]: So me, I live a roster from creation.
[55:13.480 --> 55:20.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: Bob Marley was reggae music's central figure, a national hero in Jamaica, and a mega superstar internationally.
[55:21.100 --> 55:24.480]  [SPEAKER_03]: His songs of fortitude and faith found an audience everywhere.
[55:24.860 --> 55:30.040]  [SPEAKER_03]: His influence, both musical and spiritual, has touched people of all colors.
[55:30.040 --> 55:33.880]  [SPEAKER_03]: This has remained true 22 years after his death.
[55:34.560 --> 55:47.000]  [SPEAKER_03]: Join the Midnight Ravers and special guests as we proudly present Bob Marley, Soul Adventurer, a five-hour tribute in commemoration of Bob Marley's 58th birthday.
[55:47.340 --> 55:52.800]  [SPEAKER_03]: On Friday, February 7th, 2003, from 12 midnight to 5 a.m.
[55:53.220 --> 55:57.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: on WBAI 99.5 FM in New York City.
[55:57.920 --> 56:01.920]  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the Midnight Ravers, with special guests.
[56:02.220 --> 56:05.020]  [SPEAKER_03]: Friday, February 7th, 2003.
[56:05.540 --> 56:08.580]  [SPEAKER_03]: Five hours, 12 midnight to 5 a.m.
[56:09.060 --> 56:16.220]  [SPEAKER_03]: Bob Marley, Soul Adventurer, WBAI 99.5 FM in New York City.
[56:16.520 --> 56:21.440]  [SPEAKER_03]: The Midnight Ravers, where every show is a special.
[56:21.440 --> 56:21.540]  [SPEAKER_03]: and we'll see you next week.
[56:21.640 --> 56:22.980]  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you next week.
[56:23.900 --> 56:24.300]  [SPEAKER_11]: Bye-bye.
[56:24.300 --> 56:25.020]  [SPEAKER_11]: Thank you.