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In New York, I'm Deepa Fernandes.
I have a lot of bills to pay.
Hey, this one.
WBAI?
Yes.
I have a substantial electric bill.
You never turn your radio off.
WBAI is on around the clock.
So pay your pledge to WBAI.
I have a telephone bill here for $311.
Anytime minutes go so quickly.
And roaming charges may apply.
But your membership in WBAI is only $50.
But they can turn off my phone.
They can't turn off WBAI.
Oh, can't they?
WBAI isn't going to vanish just because one subscriber's a little slow in paying his pledge,
is it?
Do you really want to test that theory?
I think I'll pay my pledge to WBAI.
Pay your pledge to WBAI.
Send your check or money order to WBAI, 120 Wall Street, New York, New York, 10005.
Come on, pay up.
Because if you don't pay up, we have, well, never mind.
Just please do.
It's just about 7 o'clock time for Off The Hook.
I was riding a bus on the way down here,
and I figured I'd just find out when my contract ends
so I can switch over,
knowing when I can switch over without having to pay an early termination fee.
$150.
Yeah, $150 just to switch companies if you go too early.
And the first thing I got was this recording
saying that I had to hold on
while they performed an upgrade to my service.
That took a full minute.
Please don't hang up. We're still doing the upgrade.
What kind of an upgrade would I have to call customer service to get?
That's the first question I had.
What they did is they pushed a PRL upgrade to your handset.
Did they?
It's called a...
Actually, I had that done recently myself,
but I requested it.
Without my consent, they did this?
They did.
What it does is it loads what's called a preferred roaming list
into your handset,
which, among other things,
identifies which carriers they have established roaming agreements with
so your phone works in more areas.
I'd be happy if it just worked in the Sprint area.
Yeah, that would be nice.
So that's what they did.
Okay, that's great.
Then I had to wait another few minutes for the Sprint representative to get on.
She did get on eventually, which was nice.
I had to guess what my password was, which took a few minutes,
but she helped me out and I was able to get that.
And then I just asked nonchalantly,
so when does my contract end?
And she's like, why, are you going to leave us?
They've had this a few times apparently.
But I was able to get the information from her.
January 10th is my day of liberation.
Wow.
I know because I was on the road last year, or early this year actually,
and that's when I put on a new contract
because I was getting ripped off on the old one.
So she gave me the date, January 10th,
and then I wanted to just cut the conversation at that point,
say, okay, that's all I needed to know.
But she started asking me all these other questions.
So are you happy with Sprint?
Will you stay with us? Blah, blah, blah.
Fortunately, I lost the signal.
I am so happy.
I'm going to miss this phone company so much.
But it cut off the signal at just the right time
and I couldn't have asked for better service.
And you're quite desperate, did she?
Yeah, I am.
But that reminds me, I have a bone to pick with the MTA,
and I'm glad you're here, Jim, because maybe you can explain this to me.
Oh, geez.
Last week I was coming down here to the radio show, okay?
Last week.
And I take a bus down here, which I'm not used to buses very much.
I'm still getting used to the rules.
Now, for some reason, I had two MetroCards on me.
You don't know what's on the MetroCard,
because you look at the MetroCard, it says no value on the card.
I know I have a $20 card somewhere.
It's got a lot of money on it.
I run into this friend of mine I have not seen in years at the bus stop.
I'm like, hey, come down to the radio station.
We'll hang out, have a few beers afterwards, that kind of thing.
And he said, well, okay, but I don't have any money.
I said, that's okay, I'll swipe you into my card.
Well, I get on the bus.
My card only has $1.50 on it, and the other card doesn't have anything on it.
I have no way of knowing this.
I only have $0.40 change.
Actually, no, I had $0.60 change.
I had just enough to cover the difference.
But I had all these singles.
The buses don't take single-dollar bills.
Right.
Why?
Why in God's name can't they take money?
Hey, look, I was a peon with this organization.
I had to leave my friend at the bus stop there,
who I probably won't see again for many more years.
Well, he'll be avoiding you now, yes.
But I could not get on the bus because I couldn't pay for them,
because they wouldn't take money.
They wouldn't take bills.
They wouldn't take credit cards.
They wouldn't take all kinds of things.
And I can't find out how much money is on my MetroCard unless I go to a subway station.
Right, because that's where they have the freestanding readers that will tell you.
And also the MetroCard vending machines have a year-old software feature now
that tells you what's on the card.
Why can't they have this at the bus stops?
Well, okay, a bus stop would be above ground.
Usually unwatched and open to the elements.
Are you saying that the MTA doesn't trust its customers?
Well, frankly, I think that if mindless vandals don't get to it,
then intrepid but ill-advised hackers probably would.
That's beside the point.
Also, these things are notoriously bad when they're wet.
All right, fine.
But then we need a service that will actually tell you how much money is on your MetroCard
without you having to go and make a fool of yourself on the bus.
You know, this was a dream of mine.
People were laughing at me.
People were laughing at me because I didn't have enough money on the bus.
Well, that's your paranoia speaking.
But they were laughing.
The bus driver was laughing.
Well, okay.
But this has been a dream of mine for many years that a software program could be developed
in conjunction with a relatively inexpensive Track 3 card reader
that you could attach to your PC or laptop or whatever.
Wouldn't that be nice?
It would be.
You could read your MetroCard.
However, wouldn't this not run afoul of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act
about reverse engineering things?
You know, I'd probably violate that three times a day without even knowing it.
Well, we know that, although we don't actually know that,
so no one could torture us to, you know, have us rat on you.
We suspect that.
But, yeah.
But, frankly, actually putting this out might be a dangerous thing.
I just want to know how much money is on my damn MetroCard
without having to, you know, go to a train station or, you know.
Six dollars.
What, are you just telling me that?
If you could read the strips with your finger, that's great, you know, if you have that ability.
Hey, Jim, what would be the downside to the MTA
if people could read the value on their own cards?
I cannot imagine one, actually.
However, well, they might be able to reverse engineer the software
and determine the format of the cards.
In Washington, D.C. and in San Francisco, it prints it on the card, okay?
I mean, it's a paper card, obviously.
But, you know, I've seen paper MetroCards.
They could do this if they really wanted to.
Well, they could, except now they'd have to go back
and change the vending machines and everything else
so that it would be printed on.
That seems to be the MTA's theme, is, well, you know, we can do it that way,
but we'd have to go back and change everything because we didn't do it right the first time.
Well, if they spent nearly a billion the first time around,
you want them to spend another billion?
Also, let me just go back to why the MTA doesn't do this,
which is, as was sort of alluded to,
if you could read a card and determine when there's one fare on it,
then all you have to do is get a blank card off the subway floor
and make it look like the first card, all right?
We've discussed years and years ago,
when I first joined the on-air guest list here,
that the software for turnstiles and stuff
tends to accept any card that says it has one fare on it,
which is why the vending scheme worked for years and still sporadically works,
because you're fooling the software into thinking that there's one fare there,
and it doesn't bother checking that, oh, yeah,
this card originally started with $6, it was used three times,
it should have zero.
It's only after the fact that it does that.
Okay, but I mean, they're using the excuse of poor software to...
Well, not directly, but yeah.
For inconvenience.
I think the convenience factor should be the paramount consideration,
and something as basic as knowing how much money you have in your MetroCard is...
I think, you know, when you have tokens in your pocket,
you know how many tokens you have or had.
In other systems, you know how much value is...
You know, overseas, I always know how much value I have on a ticket.
This is a case where I don't know what it is.
It could be worthless, it could have $100 on it.
There's no way to know until you use it or try to use it.
Go ahead.
Every time I use my MetroCard, I swipe it, and it tells me exactly what's left.
Yes, but you have to swipe it in something.
There's nothing to swipe it in.
Well, I have to use it.
When I use it, it tells me.
But my point is, when you're getting on a bus,
it's kind of late to figure out how much money you have on it
when you're standing and people are behind you.
If you did this, it did him no good.
Sure, sure.
Had to say goodbye to a friend in the rain, standing there in the bus stop.
It's very sad, I agree.
It was very sad.
But anyway, this leads us to another...
It also leads you to thinking that maybe unlimited ride cards are a good idea.
Unlimited ride for what?
MetroCards.
No, no, no.
Well, monthlies now or weeklies or, God forbid, dailies,
because you have that.
You know it's good until midnight of a certain day.
I have an idea.
How about a direct debit MetroCard?
They have that now if you're a senior citizen or something.
Listen to my full idea.
If you put the MetroCard into the bus, okay,
it takes it out of your credit card account right there and then.
You know you always have money.
How does the bus...
Why doesn't your mic work?
Because you're all the way over there.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
How would the bus be able to find out or communicate with the Visa or MetroCard?
Buses can do amazing things these days.
Well, you recall early on we had that little thing
where we came across this range of frequencies supposedly for MetroCard bus operations.
Right, they can do it.
No, we determined that those were unused and they weren't doing it that way.
But they're communicating with their base station somehow
to tell you how much value has been taken out of the card.
No, no.
It's on the card.
Buses are delayed and it's on the card, yeah.
It's on the card itself.
I think that would cause a lot of log jams if you had to wait for a Visa or MasterCard clearinghouse
to verify your card was valid.
No more of a log jam than I caused trying to scrape up enough cash to get on the bus.
But anyway, I don't want to spend too much time on this.
This is really much more time than I wanted to spend.
I wanted to get into something that started today, another debacle from the MTA,
and that's the Airtrain.
It's not really a debacle.
You want to go on the Airtrain.
And I want to go on the Airtrain too.
The Airtrain is basically...
It's free until midnight.
We should say what the Airtrain is.
Then we're going to.
It's $5 after midnight.
The Airtrain is a big waste of money and a ripoff to consumers.
There, I've said it.
Is there further explanation required?
Yeah, I'll give it.
All right, go ahead.
It's a light rail system going around Kennedy Airport,
which is geographically there's an inner roadway,
a circle of roads that goes to just about every terminal.
And let me just say right now, the way to get to Kennedy Airport in the current day,
I guess maybe not anymore,
is to take the Airtrain to Howard Beach,
get on a free bus that takes you to every terminal in the airport.
Total cost, $2.
Now you have to get on the Airtrain at that same station and pay $5.
So the cost has gone from $2 to $7 to do the same thing.
Right.
It's a light rail system that links with the subway
at both the Howard Beach Airtrain Station and the Jamaica Station,
where it also links with the Long Island Railroad.
Are you saying that you can no longer take the bus?
The bus no longer exists.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, they're not advertising that.
The Airtrain is free if you park your car inside JFK.
So you can hop the fence, I suppose,
because they put up a big fence to prevent people from going from the subway
into the parking lot and getting on the Airtrain for free.
But you'll probably be shot if you do that.
Electrocuted, maybe.
Something like that.
Razor wire?
But the point is, and even worse than the extra $5 people have to pay,
this is not convenient to anybody in New York City.
If you're in New York City and you want to go to JFK Airport,
what you have to do is you have to somehow get to Jamaica,
either take the Long Island Railroad, which is even more expensive,
or take a subway to Jamaica, which is a long ride.
How much is the Long Island Railroad to Jamaica?
I think it's $6.75.
Are you serious?
It's incredible.
And maybe $4.75 off-peak or something like that.
Wow.
It's expensive, and it's slow, and it's dirty.
But regardless, once you get all the way out to Jamaica,
then you have to lug all your bags over to another platform
and get on the air train and take that to Jamaica.
And the two systems are not compatible.
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
They were plugging on the news that once you get to Jamaica,
you can check your luggage there.
Well, that's great, but you still have to carry it over to another train system.
Why can't we have something that goes directly from Penn Station to all the airports?
No, no, it's one train system with your luggage.
When you get to Jamaica before or as you get to the air train,
they take your luggage.
People don't start at Jamaica usually.
They start somewhere else, and you have to get from one train to another.
You're starting to think like you're in Europe.
You go too much, and you expect all those wonderful amenities that they have there.
Amsterdam, for instance, you take the train, and you come up the staircase,
and you're in the airport.
You are inside the airport.
Same train that you can take to Belgium.
So that's what started today.
The air train finally is finished, but it's just not convenient.
It's too expensive, and there's no drivers either.
Can you still take the municipal buses that go to the airport?
Yes.
I heard that they just drop you off at one point now.
They don't go to the terminals anymore.
Really?
Yeah.
They really are screwing people on this deal, I think.
But it's free during the day or not?
What's free?
No, the air train is free today.
That's it.
Oh.
Just to get people to ride it once and then say,
yeah, I'll pay $5 to do that again.
Now, people who are already at JFK and have connecting flights,
do they have to pay $5 to go from one terminal to another?
No.
They can go from one terminal to another on the air train.
Once they're inside, they can ride it for free.
But even that's not as convenient because, you know,
you used to just walk outside the terminal and hop on a bus.
Now you've got to climb up a staircase or escalator or whatever,
get on a platform.
It's – I don't know.
Well, you don't have to go outside,
which is nice for people who, you know, are afraid of the elements.
See, this is sad.
Last summer I was able to go from New Jersey for $7 and get to JFK.
How did you do that?
Oh, because you took mass transit.
I took – yeah, I took a bus into the Port Authority.
Right.
And then I took the other train out to Jamaica and then –
I mean, out to Howard Beach and then out to –
That was like an all-day trip, wasn't it?
No, no.
It was not bad.
Newark – we should get off the topic,
but Newark Airport is not so cheap to get to either.
No, it's not.
It's not.
That's a bit of a ripoff as well.
But this is something that we had a good deal with.
It was a good deal,
and now they've taken the good deal away and replaced it with something expensive.
So I'm just a little peeved at that.
It could have been really good.
If it had been a free transfer from the subway to this thing,
that would have been –
I would just like to say that the bus at the airport,
which was free, was, during rush hours, horrendous.
Yeah, it took a long time.
You were in the traffic with everything else, yeah.
That's why I thought building the Airtrain was a good idea,
but I didn't know they were going to tack on this huge charge on top of it.
I have heard rumors on the news that eventually your Unlimited Ride MetroCard
will somehow allow you on this.
Currently it doesn't,
and they have an Airtrain Unlimited MetroCard,
$40 for the month, which is good.
Which is good, obviously, only on the Airtrain.
Yeah, how many people use the Airtrain that much?
There's a lot of people who work there.
Well, yeah, I guess.
Anyway, enough with mass transit.
Even though there is no mass transit program on this radio station,
we're a hacker program,
and we're going to talk about hacker news and technology and things like that.
This is technology, obviously,
but there's more important things going on.
Bernie, we were talking earlier about this expanded FBI database.
Yes.
The NCIC is...
Well, the Department of Homeland Security wants to just expand the NCIC,
which for some of our listeners who don't know,
is the National Crime Information Computer
that the FBI and state and local law enforcement agencies
all use to share information about bad guys.
And they want to expand it to include alleged bad guys and...
Well, no, no, not just that, Bernie.
Foreign students.
And immigrants and foreign students,
which is the best part.
And what would happen is if you're a foreign student,
and if your caseload fell below the threshold that you agreed to,
or if your grade point average dropped below a certain point,
an arrest warrant would be immediately issued for you.
You're saying if your GPA goes below, say, 2 or something like that,
you suddenly have to...
An arrest warrant is issued for you at that point.
That's motivation.
As if final exams weren't enough pressure, you know?
Wow, that's really something.
There's an article in today's Washington Post about this.
And basically, Homeland Security officials want to add
tens of thousands of illegal immigrants and foreign students...
I like how they lump everybody together...
to an FBI database designed primarily to help police apprehend wanted criminals,
allowing them to instantly verify the identity of foreign nationals
who have been deported or have violated student visas.
Now, one thing that they say here, which I guess is meant to justify it,
is that three of the September 11th, 2001,
attackers entered the United States on student visas,
including one who never showed up for classes.
So if you're a foreign student and you don't show up for classes,
you're going to be equated with a terrorist.
And his name was Juan?
No, his name was Hanihanjur, actually.
My understanding for the students, though,
was that if they violated the visa,
not necessarily if their grade point average went down, it was...
But their student visa requires they maintain a certain
acceptable academic performance and that their credit load,
class load...
It would be a certain amount of hours.
Exactly.
Now, this guy, this one hijacker, a lead hijacker,
who was supposedly killed in the 9-11 hijacking,
he was stopped by a local state or local police officer somewhere
just a few weeks before 9-11.
And the Justice Department, or Homeland Security, I guess,
is arguing that had that police officer had access to the information
that this person was a foreign student on a visa
and had not showed up for class,
he could have been arrested on the spot
and then they could have prevented the thing.
But, you know, if you want to...
I don't see how you can extract that logic to all the foreign students,
like hundreds of thousands of them.
Yeah, because that's what the logic leads you to,
is that if they had that ability,
they would have locked up hundreds of thousands of people, probably.
The other side of the coin, too,
is we might have had one more dead policeman
if he tried to apprehend the guy.
Could be.
Or it could have been a box knife or something.
You never know.
Well, the point is the FBI wants to expand this database.
And I can't say I'm surprised.
I mean, when they start doing things like this,
obviously they're going to start expanding it
and just adding names left and right,
things on hearsay, not actual crimes,
you know, future crime, that kind of thing.
Well, you know what's interesting is that
this may actually inhibit the database
from performing its desired function of catching criminals,
because there'll be just so many people in this thing
that police officers could start to ignore it.
You know, another alleged criminal who's not a criminal at all.
And, you know, that's actually a parallel to...
A lot of people are very paranoid about subscribing to 2600
or even subscribing to the radio station.
They think that people might start watching them,
that the government might keep tabs on them.
And my response to that is, you know,
the more people that are on this list,
the harder it's going to be for them to crack down on people.
If you have a list of 20 people, okay,
you know, it's easy to crack down.
If you have a list of 20,000 people,
it's a lot more work, you know,
and a lot harder to actually pin people down.
So, anyway, that's a little ominous bit of news
that we have to look forward to in the new year.
I have some updated, late-breaking hacker news.
Oh, boy, what is it?
Our listeners probably remember that excellent show
a week or two ago where we talked with Frank
regarding the CryptoPhone.
Yes, yes.
The CryptoPhone team has just successfully
gotten their software to work with the TriBand GSM handset,
which means you'll be able to do it here in the U.S.
very, very soon.
I have a TriBand GSM handset.
Well, it only works with a particular one called the XDA2,
which is the platform they've chosen
as their TriBand phone platform.
So you'd have to get another phone.
And I don't think your phone has the horsepower,
the processing horsepower to do the voice crypto.
No, I can barely read e-mail, so...
Yeah, yeah.
But I will be going over there next week, actually,
and I'm going to see this thing for myself
and maybe I'll call into the show using it or something.
But, yeah, that'll be really cool to see it in action.
The Chaos Communications Congress is taking place next week,
December 27th, 28th, 29th, as it does every year in Berlin.
And I guess, you know, people can still go to it.
If you go to ccc.de slash congress,
I believe you can get information on that.
And, Bernie, I understand you're not going this year.
No, unfortunately, work obligations to keep me from attending this year,
although I really enjoyed it last year.
I did find there was a bit of a language barrier last year.
There weren't as many people speaking English as was promised.
But that was definitely not the case at the camp we went to.
What was the name of that again?
The Chaos Communications Camp.
Yes, that was all in English and it worked very well.
I'm hoping they stick to more English this year
since that seems to be more universal.
But, you know, then again, I speak English, so...
And, Jeff, I understand you're not going either.
No, no.
What's up? Are the Americans boycotting this year or something?
Not at all, not at all. Priorities and choices, Emanuel.
That's what it just boils down to.
Priorities and choices. But, Red Hat, I've been informed that you're going.
Yes, I'll be there.
So we have replacements for you guys.
Yes.
All right, so it'll be fun.
And, again, ccc.de slash congress to get more information on this.
The annual hacker gathering, the longest, the oldest hacker gathering.
They started back in 1984.
Wow.
Same year that we started.
This is their anniversary, I understand.
This particular congress is going to be their 20th anniversary.
20th anniversary, yeah.
Just like it's going to be 20th anniversary next year.
This summer.
Yeah.
Next summer, I'm sorry.
Next hacker conference.
Okay, so that's where things stand as far as that goes.
Any other news or items of interest for our listeners?
There's an interesting piece of information that would be interesting
maybe to the radio hackers in the audience
who are interested in experimenting with radios and radio equipment
and frequencies and that sort of thing.
Supposedly, this is being reported by The Guardian,
which is a fairly highly respected U.K. newspaper and several other papers.
The president of Pakistan's life was just saved by a radio jamming device,
which supposedly, in his limousine,
that prevented a radio-controlled bomb from detonating under a bridge
as his limo went under the bridge.
And then after the jammer in his limo got far enough away,
then the bomb went off.
So it just has nothing to do with hacking so much as it actually does
because they hacked the bomb using radio jamming techniques.
They hacked the bomb.
They hacked the bomb.
And that prevented it from blowing up a president of Pakistan.
When did this happen?
This was yesterday, last night, which would have been U.K. time,
so I don't know what that is in Pakistan.
About the same, probably.
You can go to guardian.co.uk and just type in Pakistan and jamming,
and you can read the article.
That's amazing.
So basically, by having this device that can jam certain signals,
if you're passing by a bomb, you'll be able to block the bomb from blowing up.
That's the understanding?
Well, according to the article, and I'm quoting it here,
the jammer emitted a magnetic impulse to block frequencies used to trigger bombs,
including electronic signals on this particular bomb.
Wouldn't it block all other things too?
Oh, yeah.
Like frequencies that could be used to prevent bombs from going off.
Well, I imagine anybody with a cell phone anywhere near the limo
probably wouldn't be able to use it either.
And, of course, for many centuries,
people have made bombs that don't require frequencies.
Sure, like the old alarm clocks.
I will mention that when I have observed the U.S. presidential motorcade,
if you look closely in the vehicle right behind the real limo,
not the fake limo that the dummy is in,
there is a black van operated by the NSA
under cover of the White House Communications Agency
that's bristling with antennas.
And according to a book called Inside the White House,
I forget the author's name,
that van is equipped with just such jamming equipment.
It's not in the limo.
It's in a van that follows the limo
to jam and monitor frequencies all around the president's motorcade.
So...
Bernie, weren't you kind of redundant there talking about the dummy?
I mean...
That's true. You're right.
I knew somebody was going to pick up on that.
Which dummy are we talking about?
Exactly, exactly.
That's fascinating.
I don't want to let you down, Emmanuel.
Yeah.
So, okay, well, that's interesting news
that you can block bombs with frequency jammers.
But the frequency jammers are good for all kinds of things.
I mean, one thing I want to get my hands on is a cell phone jammer.
Has anybody played with one of those?
They're illegal.
They're illegal to have cell phone jammers?
Yes, we demonstrated one at H2K2
in the Hacking the Invisible World panel discussion, but...
Wait, I wasn't aware of this. You actually had one there?
Oh, yeah, an attendee from the UK.
Actually, he wasn't from the UK.
He bought one and had it shipped to him from the UK.
Was there.
I forget his name.
He was an interesting hacker.
And we were upstairs playing with radio equipment,
and I had a spectrum analyzer I brought with me to the conference.
Is that the one we took apart?
Yes, exactly. Jeff was there.
I sat there with you guys, and we were playing with it.
Yeah, it was pretty neat.
We looked at it on a spectrum analyzer.
It was very good at putting in a nice broadband noise signal
in the 800 MHz and the 1900 MHz PCS and cellular bands.
And my phone and Eric Blossom's phone
and a couple of other phones that we tested near this thing upstairs
wouldn't work if we were near this thing.
And then we demonstrated in the Hacking the Invisible World panel discussion,
and the whole audience could see projected on a large screen
the patterns of the jamming signal this thing emitted.
But it's not FCC-approved,
and you cannot legally import it into this country.
Well, how big an area did it cover?
Were you able to block everyone's phone in the room who was watching?
No, we had to be pretty close.
And the reason we estimated that it didn't work with much range
is because we were at the top of the penthouse of the Hotel Pennsylvania,
where we're right in the path of some major PCS signals
from the cell sites that were around us.
So they overpowered this jammer that just ran on a couple of 9-volt batteries.
But in an area that didn't have really strong cellular PCS signals,
it would probably have more range.
We found it was maybe 10 or 15 feet range.
It worked on the second floor of the Hotel Pennsylvania.
But when we went upstairs, it had a little bit less range.
I know that they sell one that I think theaters buy.
I don't know if theaters in this country are buying them,
but I do know that they're available for sale.
I've seen it on the Internet.
It can block an entire theater from anyone being able to use their cell phones,
restaurants as well.
Supposedly it's a very big device, a very heavy device.
And it's my dream to, maybe I can't do it anymore
because they seem to be closing off more and more of the street,
but just to drive up and down Wall Street with this device
and just watching everybody being all confused,
not being able to talk on their phones.
I don't know. It's just a fantasy I have.
If you were constructing it.
I just saw one that had the specs for one that had a 1-watt RF output,
which would definitely knock out something within a block or so.
So a block or two, which would achieve your desired goal, Emanuel.
Yeah, not my desired goal, but just a little bit of fun.
Couldn't you just build a Faraday cage within the theater
to block the radio signal in the walls?
Yes.
You could do that.
You could.
There's all kinds of different ways.
We have actually sort of a related letter.
I love it when people take me seriously when I'm not being serious.
I like that a lot.
It just makes me want to keep going on.
This letter in particular from someone in Denmark.
This might be a cultural thing as well.
A comment about the annoying phone ring you demonstrated
in the beginning of the Off the Hook show on December 10th.
You said it is especially bad in the theater because it has no pause.
Now, here is my comment.
Why is it that Americans have no common courtesy regarding mobile phones?
How can you even think of bringing in a mobile phone which is on into the theater?
Jesus!
When I go to the U.S., I always wonder why people can be so rude
to let their phone ring in the theater,
and often I must yell out very loud.
But I don't think people understand.
Americans are in the primal state of handling mobile phones.
Do not know how to handle or respect their environments with this technique.
In most European countries like Denmark, it's forbidden to bring in the phones.
In schools, theaters, and most cafes,
just try to let your phone ring at the movies and see what happens.
Good luck, Emanuel.
People in the E.U. respect their surroundings and respect the movies they watch.
You should too.
Well, considering that the movies come out of Hollywood,
I don't know if I respect them very much.
But when I said that the annoying ring really drives people crazy in theaters
when it rings for about five minutes straight,
I was being a bit facetious, but, you know, yes.
Yeah, but finish the letter, too.
He does go on to say, hey, keep up the good work with the show.
Oh, yeah, love the show. It's the best.
That's always there.
When I received this e-mail,
I didn't realize that it was in such a loud tone of voice.
Yeah, no, you have to...
Pay attention to the caps.
There weren't any.
Well, I have enhanced the character set on my terminal,
so I can read in tone and meaning and things like that.
Yeah, so...
Yeah, we like to play with rings and things like that,
but, yes, when you're in theaters, when you're in restaurants,
it's generally not considered polite to talk on phones.
I guess, you know, a lot of people have different value sets.
In California, everybody talks on their phone really loudly,
no matter where you are.
I mean, that's just what I notice.
I'm sure there are places where this is not true.
I'm sure in New York, it seems like people are talking louder
and more frequently on their phones than in Europe, for instance.
But everybody talks on phones over there.
They just don't talk as loud and in certain places, you know?
Like, you can talk on the phone in the subway in Berlin,
and you don't realize that people are on the phone.
You can't tell.
You just hear someone quietly having a conversation.
I would encourage anthropologists to do a study of this.
It's fascinating. I really think it is.
So if you have comments on that, please send us your thoughts and feelings,
oth at 2600.com.
This person writes in and says,
the difference between CNN.com's U.S. and international content
was made even more blatant today.
It's interesting they did this because I noticed the same thing on the same day.
You notice they have that little poll that says, you know, has various questions.
Well, there's two versions of CNN, not only on TV but also on the website.
If you look on CNN.com, in the upper right,
there's a little thing to click, international edition.
Totally different page, totally different stories.
The international page had a question,
and they have this question at the bottom right of their webpage every day.
It's a different question.
Their question was, is al-Qaeda linked to attacks by insurgents in Iraq?
And the choices were yes or no.
The United States version was,
which luxury gift would you prefer to receive,
with the choices of celebrity's car, home, or yacht?
Even though the international poll was somewhat flawed
by neglecting to include how the hell should I know as a response,
the U.S. poll is insulting.
Could there be a question less interesting or relevant, signed Bob.
And Bob, yeah, you hit it right on the head there.
I mean, just to, you know, treat Americans like we're such idiots
that that's all we care about.
I mean, yeah, there's a lot of idiots, no question about it.
But, you know, when you treat everybody like idiots,
eventually you wind up creating more idiots, and that should not be.
I'm still, I agree with the postscript there.
I don't think the international question was such a brilliant question either.
Yeah, but compare it to the stupid question, you know.
I mean, it's kind of interesting to know how many people believe,
whether they're informed or not, that al-Qaeda is linked, you know, to things in Iraq.
It's, you know, I'd like to know myself.
I don't give a damn how many people want a yacht or a luxury car or whatever.
Who cares? It's just greed.
It's just stupidity.
So anyway, yeah, that's the American media section for today.
And then we have this person who wrote in with a very interesting theory here.
Basically, they have a hypothetical situation on hacking websites.
This is what they say.
If someone is caught hacking a website, and they did so because they were hired,
then I guess it's up to the law to figure that out
and punish them according to, you know, whatever law, conspiracy, etc.
It would be the law's job to find out who hired them to do such a thing,
not to punish everyone as if they could have been hired.
But I think it makes sense to punish people based on the damage, quote-unquote, they did.
First, an analogy.
If I steal your wallet, are you entitled to be repaid for the cost of the wallet and its contents
or just be fined and jailed?
It is similar with a company.
If, on average, they make so many dollars and their site goes down because of some hacker's prank,
the hacker should pay what the site was expected to make.
The obvious problem one could have with that is that the company didn't actually make the money.
It remains to be seen what they would have made.
And now nobody can know because the site was down.
My point is that taking down CNN's website should be punishable
greater than taking down Al Jazeera's website
because CNN would probably make more money.
And you guys seem opposed to that.
Are we opposed to that?
Yeah, I'm opposed to that.
No, that's a bad analogy because in that case, it's media sites.
We're not really necessarily talking about the value of commercial products that they make
or advertising that they sell.
We're talking about their right for free speech.
I mean, if you're comparing, say, Macy's and Harrods,
I think you have a more interesting and apt case.
Well, I mean, we're dealing with media here because this stems from the Al Jazeera hack earlier in the year.
Yeah, and the person, this comes from the story we reported a few weeks ago
where the person who did that basically got a pretty light sentence.
I'm not saying it was an unjust sentence.
I'm saying if someone had hacked CNN, they would have gotten a much heavier sentence.
Now, if the reason is because Al Jazeera is not as commercially successful or as popular as CNN
and that's why the person wasn't punished as much,
I find that to be a very flawed argument there.
I can't see the commercial value of those two sites coming into play at all here for a number of reasons.
Number one, they're not, as I said before, it's a First Amendment rather than a commercial thing.
Secondly, you can make arguments saying, well, you know, there are more Christians at CNN
and there are lots of Muslims at Al Jazeera, so therefore we should get into that sort of question.
Well, I mean, do you think that if this person had done the same thing to CNN
that the sentence would have been the same?
Do I think it would have been? No, I do not think it would have been.
And why is that?
In this case, it's hard to tell.
This is not something I thought of, the commercial aspect of it, but it might have been.
I doubt it, but it might have been.
Well, I think thinking of the commercial aspect is just as wrong as thinking of the,
well, they're foreigners of a different culture, so therefore it doesn't matter as much.
I think that's the same logic that's flawed in this particular case as well.
It's bad either way.
Yeah, it's bad either way.
If you hack someone's website that just simply runs like a plumbing supply company or something like that,
it's bad for them as well.
Supposedly CNN.com will have more people to fix the problem quicker,
and they supposedly should have better security because they have more people.
They also have more lawyers.
Yeah, they have more lawyers, but it should be easier for them to actually fix the problem
rather than somebody who just runs a mom-and-pop operation.
So if you cause damage, and obviously that should be dealt with regardless of how expensive it was
or how inconvenient it was for more people.
I don't know.
It just seems like the wrong things to be looking at.
Our phone number, 212-209-2900.
Any final points until we go to the phones?
I just want to speak briefly about this conference that was held last week in Geneva,
the World Summit on the Information Society.
Oh, yes, yes.
I heard excerpts of that on Robert Knight's show, which was on at midnight,
and actually was playing Robert Mugabe speaking at...
Robert Mugabe, the great defender of freedom.
It was kind of ironic, I'll say that,
but it was interesting to hear the same day a talk from Robert Mugabe in Switzerland on the Internet,
things like that, on this radio station.
You never know what you might hear next.
Anyway, this summit was set up to promote.
It's called the World Summit on the Information Society.
It will be held in two parts.
The first just happened in Geneva.
The second is in November 2005 in Tunis, the capital of Tunisia,
a country with a splendid human rights record.
And they're talking about how the Internet can kind of grow
and make a real information society with freedom and peace and love and all that.
At the summit, of course, dissenters were not allowed in.
RSF, Reporters Without Borders,
which is a well-respected journalist freedom organization,
was not only not allowed in the summit,
based on some bizarre technicality,
they were not allowed in at the request of Cuba, basically.
Cuba?
Cuba.
Okay.
And so they set up, being reporters and all,
they set up a pirate radio station just over the border in France
so the World Summit delegates could still hear the opinions of RSF.
And that station got shut down by the French government.
So even their, like, we-can't-get-in voice was squelched.
A group called Geneva 03 wanted to have a polymedia lab
where they were showcasing all the interesting things you can do with the Internet
and, you know, proposing alternatives to the alternatives proposed by the UN and friends.
And their space was mysteriously yanked from them at the very last minute.
Same old tactics.
Yeah, same old thing.
Different countries, same tactics.
Well, I will say one contrast between what the Swiss did and what the U.S. would do
is that they did eventually find another space
as opposed to, like, what happened in Miami recently,
like, all being arrested and round up and all that.
What came out of this conference?
You know, a lot of papers, a lot of text.
I'm not convinced that anything will change.
Well, what can they change?
One thing they want to do is try and take control away from ICANN
and give it to some kind of UN structure.
Now, I've gotten a lot of right-wing mail about this,
about how the United Nations is trying to take the Internet.
Now, you know, I don't really think it's a bad thing to take control from ICANN.
I'm really torn on this.
I don't either, but I think it's a bad thing to give it to the UN.
They've done wonders everywhere else.
Well, you know, it's more appropriate in the arms of an international governance board
than an American corporation.
It's really questionable whether you trust ICANN or the Chinese government less.
I can't decide.
Yeah, it's a tough one. It really is.
But I'm sure we'll be following it.
The next conference is November 2005?
Yes.
They're not moving very fast on this, are they?
Other than the UN.
All right, 212-209-2900.
Let's take our first phone call.
Good evening. You're on the air.
Hey, guys. Good evening.
How are you doing?
All right. Had an interesting experience today.
Did you?
Yeah.
I bought something off a guy on eBay,
and I walked into my local 7-Eleven to buy a money order.
And the clerk behind the counter then tells me
that I have to produce a driver's license in order to purchase a money order.
You're using cash to get it, aren't you?
Yes.
How big was it?
500.
It was a little over 500, so he was going to give me two.
What was he thinking, that you were going to give him counterfeit money or something?
Well, his comment to me was, that's the law.
I pursued it, and I asked him, what law?
And, of course, he couldn't tell me.
But I just thought it was interesting,
and I promptly told him, no, I would not offer my driver's license,
turned around, and left the store.
I think for $1.50 you can get a money order.
Which is precisely what I did.
99 cents.
And they didn't ask for your driver's license, did they?
No.
Took my money, gave me the money order, I left the store.
That was it.
Might want to call the manager of that store
and find out if that is, in fact, their policy.
Oh, he was the owner.
Was he?
He was the owner, yeah.
You might want to call Southland Corporation then
and see if it's their policy,
and then tell them this guy is imposing this law of his own.
Yeah, I thought it was very strange.
Interesting.
Well, thanks for letting us know about that.
Thanks.
When this guy said I had an interesting experience,
it reminded me of an interesting experience I had
on the way in here last night.
I was driving my car into the city,
and, oh boy, you guys don't know,
I told Redhack this story,
and Bernie, I think you'd appreciate this as well.
I was driving on the Northern State Parkway.
Are you guys familiar with the roads?
Parkways and expressways?
Okay, here in New York we have an interesting system.
We have this system where trucks can't drive in the parkways.
They drive in the expressway.
Parkways are for passenger cars only.
Now, that's not just for choice.
It's because the bridges aren't tall enough for the trucks to go under.
A lot of people don't know this,
and last night the expressway was closed for construction,
as it is almost every night.
I was on the parkway driving into the city,
and I noticed, just suddenly I noticed,
hey, I'm driving next to an 18-wheel truck.
This 18-wheel truck was driving next to me,
and I just realized this is wrong.
This shouldn't be happening,
and I started beeping at the guy, you know, stop.
There was no way to communicate to him.
He was in the right lane, I was in the left lane.
I started beeping really, really fast and quickly to get his attention.
It just kept going, so at that point I realized, you know,
this is not going to work out,
and I just hit the accelerator in my car
and just moved as far ahead as I could,
and in my rearview mirror I saw the impact when he hit the bridge,
and the truck just peeled apart.
It was just unbelievable,
and then I called the cops to let them know.
I called on my Sprint phone.
I got the Nassau County Police.
I told them what had happened.
They said, well, we can't take that report.
We have to transfer you over to the New York State Police
because that's a parkway, and it's run by the state troopers,
so they had to transfer.
They ignored my report.
They transferred me to the state troopers.
I had to give the report again.
I was using Sprint.
You know how long those phone conversations last.
It could have easily been dropped.
So I gave it again, and, you know, they sent people down.
I called the local traffic report station,
and they had it on the air pretty quickly.
It turns out the truck was carrying Styrofoam,
and it was all over the road for hours to come.
I guess as far as, you know, things to carry,
that's probably the safest,
but I don't know if anybody was injured.
I hope not.
It was just so weird seeing this happen
and trying to figure out ways you can stop it from happening
and realizing that you're kind of helpless.
Well, now that trucker knows what a series of beeps
by a car next to him means.
Well, I don't know what else I could have done, you know.
Manual?
Yeah.
You should have been using
the communications medium of choice for truckers, which is?
Which is what, CBs?
CBs.
Yeah, but I'd have to find him on the CB.
Channel 19 is the standard trucker channel.
I don't think every trucker in the world
uses CBs anymore either, you know.
I think a lot of them are on the Internet.
They're using IRC or something like that.
Well, that explains why I didn't see the sign.
Yeah, he probably didn't see all kinds of things.
I don't understand, though,
why they don't have a system here in New York.
I mean, I'm sure a lot of people don't know this,
that trucks aren't allowed in the parkway
because of those bridges,
but when you get onto the entrance ramp,
there should be something that hits your truck
to say, don't do this.
It's a bad idea to continue.
And there's no such thing on the parkways
that would have warned him
other than the sign to say no trucks.
That's interesting because, as you know,
I live in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn,
very close to the entrance of the Bell Parkway,
which is almost under the Verrazano Bridge.
And over there, the Bell Parkway is no trucks.
It's not until it becomes the Gowanus
at 3rd Avenue and 69th Street
that they allow trucks on Manhattan-bound.
But both Manhattan-bound there
and Coney Island and Long Island-bound there,
they don't allow trucks.
So they do have, under the sign,
which passes over the entrances,
they do have hanging chains.
There you go.
Now, they should implement that
on all the parkways,
and everybody would be happy,
and there'd be a lot less trucks
being shredded to pieces.
What a sight!
And it was so loud, too.
It sounded like an explosion when it hit.
How far ahead were you, by the way?
I was probably about maybe 500 feet ahead
at that point.
50 car lengths.
That's a good distance.
Well, I was speeding up.
I knew what was going to happen,
so I started fast.
I don't know what happened
to the cars in back of that truck.
Ooh!
Yeah.
It was not a pretty sight.
It was interesting that Monday morning
I had to be on Route 80.
And there was a two-tractor-trailer accident.
Fruit and cardboard all over the road.
Wow!
Cranes were already there,
so it would have happened much earlier.
So you didn't get any fruit?
No, no, no.
But it was just interesting to see
and realize, my gosh,
it's a good thing I didn't leave earlier.
All right.
Let's take another phone call.
212-209-2900.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
This call is from a federal prison.
This is a prepaid call.
You will not be charged for this call.
This call is from...
Bill.
Hang up to decline the call
or to accept the call.
Dial 5 now.
5, okay.
Hello?
And who is this?
This is Stormbringer.
Stormbringer!
How are you?
I'm doing all right.
Wow!
You know, I didn't think
you could make calls like that,
non-collect calls from prison.
Oh, yeah.
You got prepaid IMS,
the inmate phone system,
where you can make prepaid calls.
That's not a bad deal.
I guess you pay through the nose for that,
don't you?
20 cents a minute.
That's actually not so bad
compared to when Bernie used to call us.
Yeah, I'm sure.
Collect calls are about 10 bucks for 15 minutes.
A friend of mine,
his ex-wife just got locked up
and for reasons I won't go into,
but he says that the prison phone system there
in a Pennsylvania county prison
is $3 a minute for local calls.
Wow.
Wow.
So, Stormbringer,
give us an update on your situation.
I lost my 2255 habeas corpus in August.
The judge was very biased in her order.
She didn't even ask for a response
to my 2255 by the prosecutor.
What is a 2255?
Habeas corpus writ.
Okay.
And I am filing in the appeals court right now.
I don't expect for them to decide anything
on my informal brief until after
the beginning of the year.
Now, you have what,
a 260-month sentence?
200 was how I kept track.
It's just shy of 22 years.
262 months, I think it is.
Wow.
After a certain amount of time,
you just say, what the heck.
Can you tell those guys in the background
to keep it down?
Might not be the best idea.
Yeah, that could cause problems.
Well, Stormbringer,
tell us, first of all,
most importantly,
what can people do to help keep you sane
in this particular situation?
Try to keep your mind busy.
Read as much as you can.
No, I mean you specifically.
What can we do to help?
Oh, I don't know.
Keep up the good work on the show.
Just keep me in mind
when you send out the subscriptions.
Do you want people to send you things?
That would be nice.
Read material or anything like that
is greatly appreciated.
I don't know if you received my last...
I don't know if you want articles from me
or not on various things.
Oh, absolutely.
I know you're not able to use a computer,
so handwritten is just fine.
Okay.
But I meant,
do you want to tell our listeners
how to contact you or anything like that?
Okay.
Actually, the best thing to do
is go to my website,
www.stormbringer.tv
or stormbringer,
or excuse me,
stormpoliscanner.net.
Both are the same server.
My contact information is on there.
Soon also in PDF format
will be all my legal documentation
in case anybody wants to look at it.
Well, I'm sure a lot of people,
the first question on their mind
listening right now is
what in God's name did this guy do
to warrant 260 months in prison?
Do you want to get into any details on that?
I'm in here for gun possession.
A convicted felon in possession.
The guns were actually owned by my girlfriend
who lived in the apartment.
And being that she wasn't home at the time,
I have sole dominion and control
of the apartment and all of its contents.
So even if they do belong legitimately to her
or whatever,
I am considered in possession
of everything in the apartment.
And that's it?
Just possession?
There wasn't a stakeout
or firing with federal marshals
or anything like that?
No, it's just simple possession.
Unbelievable.
So if she was there when they came,
you wouldn't be in the situation you're in?
No, I would not
because then it would be joint possession.
And being that she's owner of it,
they wouldn't be able to charge me.
Would she have been able to clear this up
by saying, yes, they're mine,
and she didn't?
She did.
She wrote the prosecuting attorney.
I've got copies of all of those letters,
her requesting her weapons back
and everything else.
And she, the prosecutor,
still was able to convict me.
Were there other reasons
why they wanted to put you in prison
that you suspect?
I suspect that being at my web server,
I had Motorola trunking radios
and web control scanners and short waves online
that for years I had been harassed
by the local police department
in Alexandria, Virginia.
And being that everything was legit,
they couldn't do anything about it.
And several years later,
my girlfriend and I got into an argument
and the police were called
and everything just went downhill from there.
I was originally arrested on state charges
which were dropped due to lack of any evidence.
They were just basic domestic charges
and due to not having witness statements or anything.
Also, there was a lack of proper arrest and search warrants.
So they dropped the charges
and then the ATF decided to have a roll with me.
This has a lot of parallels to Bernie's case
where you're doing something legitimately
and they just come after you all the harder
for something that they wouldn't come after most people for
because they really want to get you
for the thing they can't get you for.
Right.
Unbelievable.
So tell our listeners how they can write to you
and what they should send you and things like that.
They can just letters is all I need.
I'll respond to all letters.
Books and magazines or any kind of publications
must come directly from a vendor or publisher.
So people can't send me anything like you used to be able to do
in the federal system
that they could send soft cover books and magazines.
Letters would be greatly appreciated.
I'll respond to all.
And I wanted to wish everybody, our listeners,
and you guys there in the studio,
Merry Christmas.
That's my call.
Do you want to give out your address?
Okay, I can do that.
It's William K. Smith, 44684-083,
FCI Cumberland, P.O. Box 1000.
This call is from a federal prison.
Cumberland, Maryland, 21501.
I guess that was the legal ID that they had to put in there.
That says that my call is halfway.
And that prisoner number is very important
because that's actually your name when you're in the federal system.
Correct.
And your number again was what?
44684-083.
And Bernie, do you remember your number?
48616-066.
We can figure out how the numbering scheme works, I guess.
The last three digits indicate
which federal court system you were prosecuted in.
Oh, really? I didn't know that.
You should get fiber optic on the phone,
get his number and Kevin,
and we'll just all compare numbers.
If you remember, in the famous Scarfo crypto PGP password
case a couple years ago,
that was Mr. Scarfo's PGP key phrase,
was his Bureau of Prisons ID number.
Yeah, that was like his son's ID number or something like that.
Wasn't his?
I don't think so.
I think it was his son's, but it could have been his.
It wasn't the best of choices.
They still didn't figure out what it was.
They had to break into his house and put a keylogger on his keyboard.
What's the reason you can't use a computer?
Well, mainly they don't want...
Most inmates here can't use a computer anyways,
and they're very, very paranoid in here,
even though it's on a segregated network with no outside connectivity.
I actually got fired from a job as a tutor in education
because of my computer background as a network engineer.
And they said,
you're not supposed to be near any computer equipment.
I'm like, wait a second here.
According to BOP Bureau of Prison Policy,
I'm not in here on a computer crime,
and thus I should not have been fired.
But they're real, real paranoid of anybody
that has any kind of knowledge in the system,
especially on things that they don't understand.
Okay, that's why I had to ask, because it didn't sound right.
I was once disciplined for having just a computer magazine
while I was walking around on the prison grounds at one point.
And he said, you can't have a computer in the prison,
so you shouldn't have a computer magazine.
I said, well, you've got car and driver here in the library.
I can't drive a sports car around the recreation yard, can I?
That's the mentality you're dealing with.
Folks, we're out of time, unfortunately.
But Storm Brain, great hearing from you.
Hang in there.
We'll send you as much stuff as we possibly can.
Yeah, and you have a good holiday, too.
Okay.
Thank you very much, guys.
Take care.
Enjoy the shows.
All righty. Bye-bye.
And that's going to do it for us here tonight.
I'll be in Europe next week calling in,
and we'll be on with a special edition of the program,
a special holiday edition, and New Year's Eve as well.
It'll be kind of interesting.
So until next week, this is Manuel Goldstein.
Have yourselves a good week.
We'll see you next time.
Stay tuned for The Personal Computer Show.
On behalf of everybody, have a good night.
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