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And good evening to everybody. The program is Off The Hook.
Emmanuel Weltshain here with you for this hour-long program that comes your way every Wednesday evening
talking about the world of hacking and high technology,
banishing privacy, and various other odds and ends in the world that will affect you one way or another.
Joining me today in the studio is Mike.
Can I just say that we have to get a promo like that?
That was a good promo.
That was a good promo, yeah. We definitely should.
But we need some people to come in and we can do that, I guess.
Also, Jim is over there on the other side of the studio.
Redbird.
Good evening.
Walter.
Hey.
And Kevin.
Hello.
You've returned.
Yeah, hi.
Where have you been?
Oh, I was in all sorts of places in Europe.
Really?
Yeah.
Gathering intelligence.
Well, you know, just looking around, walking around, talking to people, stuff like that.
Okay, you'll be debriefed after the show, but you'll give us some information for our entertainment.
And Bernie S. joins us down there in Philadelphia.
Greetings from Philadelphia.
Well, you know, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago and it's almost as if we caused it to happen, but we didn't.
I know we didn't. It wasn't our fault.
We talked about the television station that is banned in this country or supposedly banned in this country.
And I basically issued a public challenge over the airwaves for someone to prove to me that this station is actually banned.
And, well, I guess that came last week when this poor guy in Brooklyn was arrested.
Actually, he lives in Staten Island.
He had a Brooklyn storefront.
He was arrested for providing the television station Al Minar, which basically in Arabic means the beacon.
That television station is apparently owned and operated by Hezbollah.
And the TV station was actually designated a global terrorist entity by the United States Treasury Department in March of this year.
It's interesting how a TV station can be considered a global terrorist entity.
There are some networks I would like to have categorized as such.
What's interesting about this was that they've been following this guy since February.
You get the weird part here?
It was designated in March.
They were following him since February.
So something is kind of wacky there.
But this was on every news channel last week.
Every television channel had it.
It was the top story.
This guy was providing terrorist support.
And all his neighbors are like, well, you seem like such a nice guy, friendly, waved to you and everything like that.
I sure hope this isn't true because if this is true, I couldn't stand TV.
I couldn't stand to even be in the same city as this person.
And I'm like, I'm asking myself, what is it exactly that they're objecting to, the fact that he's providing access to an alternative voice or something like that?
But, you know, I did see interviews on mainstream media where people were skeptical about it and they said, you know, we know the guy.
They were skeptical about whether or not he actually did it.
Right.
But I'm saying, so what if he did it?
So what if he provides a television channel that we think is controversial or objectionable?
You know, a couple of weeks ago, we even gave out a web address where you could click and listen.
And if I had remembered to bring it, I would be clicking on it now and playing it over the air.
But maybe next week.
Oh, no.
The thing that I'm unclear on is if he actually gave any money at all to Al Manar in payment or if it's just a free to air thing and he told people how to point their satellite.
That's the thing.
If he didn't pay them anything, there is no case here, no case at all because he's not providing any support to them.
All he's doing is distributing information.
And last I checked, that is not illegal to distribute information.
The guy's name is Javed Iqbal, I-Q-B-A-L.
And interestingly enough, his store is someplace where I go buy weekly.
So if you'd like to patronize this guy, which I think is a great idea, he has a Dish Network installation and rental whatever business.
He's an agent for Dish Network.
It's at 68th Street in Fort Hamilton Parkway in Brooklyn.
So go there and the poor guy had to put up his Staten Island home to make bail.
And it's kind of a weird case because they have an undercover agent or operative going to him and saying, I want Al Jazeera.
And he says, well, wouldn't you rather have Al Manar?
And that seems to be the heart of the case.
And like Emanuel says, it's unclear as to whether any money was ever paid to Al Manar.
But what's more interesting is the law seems to have an exemption and he should not have been charged.
What was this exemption?
The exemption covers publications, films, posters, photograph records, photographs, microfilms, microfiche, tapes, compass discs, CD-ROMs, artworks, and newswire feeds.
Would not a TV news station, even if it's run by Hezbollah, be a newswire feed?
Microfilms? That sounds kind of intriguing.
Well, the point of this is that the exemptions are for scholarly purposes.
You can buy the Cuban Medical Association's journal.
You can subscribe to it.
You can get other things from Cuba and other nations that used to be communist and we were very hostile to them in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s.
And there were exemptions for it, but somehow Al Manar seems to be the only thing that you can't legally get.
And you know now I want it more than anything.
I can't understand a single word on the channel because it's all in Arabic, but this has gotten to a new and pretty scary stage.
As one of his lawyers says, it's like the government of Iran saying we're going to ban the New York Times because we think of it as a terrorist outfit or China trying to ban CNN.
And if something like that were to happen, we'd be screaming bloody murder over it.
It's got nothing to do with whether you agree with what's being said or not.
It's a question of making up your own mind.
It does happen and we do scream bloody murder over it.
All right.
Well, there you go.
But there's also this little bit of information.
Court papers filed by the government to obtain the warrant to search Mr. Iqbal's business and home suggested the authorities learned that certain high-definition global transmission systems were providing access to Al Manar broadcast in the United States.
They got their information from Mark Dubowitz, who heads a Washington-based policy group that has monitored Al Manar through a project called the Coalition Against Terrorist Media and campaigned for its removal.
Dubowitz said in a telephone interview that Al Manar's programming includes very explicit calls for violence.
Wait, wait, wait.
You're probably going to say this, but how does Dubowitz watch Al Manar?
Good question.
I think maybe we should be investigating him.
The thing is you can say explicit calls for violence.
What's support for a war?
Is that not an explicit call for violence?
I see that all the time on every channel.
Okay.
Or watch less TV.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's scary out there.
Listen to WBAI.
It wasn't our fault.
It wasn't our fault.
We brought attention to Al Manar.
It's just bizarre timing.
And if anybody does have that URL that allows you to listen to Al Manar live on the Internet, I'll play it.
I will.
I'll play it because we're not violating their copyright because they're not in the country.
If you click on a radio station inside this country, I think they might get upset, but they're in Lebanon.
Lebanon might be part of the Berne Convention.
Well, I guess we'll find out, won't we?
Yeah.
That would be exciting if Al Manar sued us.
As long as they don't utter any obscenities, I think we're okay.
Violating international copyright laws and the Espionage Act.
Two laws at once.
We're not violating the Espionage Act.
That's what this is.
I'm sorry.
It is the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.
How about this?
How about if we don't broadcast it but simply translate it and read the words over the air in English?
Who in this room knows Arabic?
Well, not in this room, but we'll find people.
We know people.
We know lots of people.
Actually, we do.
We know plenty of people.
Bernie, this is chilling, isn't it?
Very.
I mean, if it's a news channel, I thought we had a—I don't know if this would fall under First Amendment
under freedom of expression since you're not even expressing yourself.
You're simply listening to what someone else is expressing.
And I don't know if there's any precedent for this because for decades,
stations like Radio Moscow and Radio Pyongyang in North Korea broadcast international shortwave news broadcasts,
beamed it to North America, and people listened to it.
That's interesting.
You've got to take it with a grain of salt, just like you would the voice of America, for that matter.
But as far as I know, nobody's ever been prosecuted for simply listening to a news channel.
And no one's being prosecuted in this case just for listening or watching, as far as I know.
However, I think it is kind of scary when you realize that the people who did this,
the government investigators, prosecutors, now have all the records of the people who subscribe.
So if you do get that channel, they know.
They know who you are.
They know where you live.
But the interesting question I had for you was you mentioned shortwave and Radio Moscow.
Does Al Minar, does Hezbollah, do they have any shortwave stations?
You can pick up broadcasts at the U.S. government.
You can pick up international shortwave broadcasts.
There's a great website.
I'll think of it in a minute.
But there's plenty of English shortwave broadcasts from countries who the United States would prefer you not listen to it.
I guess what it comes down to here is if this guy was supporting this so-called terrorist organization
by somehow getting money back to them.
But I doubt very much that a propaganda channel like this, just like Fox News for that matter,
is not making itself freely available.
Yeah.
Well, I think our listeners, a lot of our listeners who are into big-dish TV and things like that
will be able to tell us, is this something that was not being scrambled?
Was it free to air?
And if so, yeah, there's no case here.
Now, what this has to be equated to is not just viewing it but selling the equipment,
and that's what he's being prosecuted for, selling the equipment to receive the broadcast.
But that equipment can receive all kinds of channels.
Right.
So what you equate it to is, for example, any other store, Radio Shack or any other popular electronics store
selling shortwave receivers, right?
What's wrong with that?
And it's being used for the same purpose.
So it's just kind of this bizarre situation where he's not doing anything.
He's selling the equipment to receive the broadcast.
One other thing, if it is possible to get this without paying a fee, believe me,
we are going to give that information as to how you can set up something on your roof
without having to go through a middleman and receive this yourself.
And that will prove again that this guy didn't have to pay anybody money to get this.
Emmanuel?
Yes.
How much do you want to bet this is going to really backfire on the U.S. government?
Not only are they probably not going to get a conviction to stick on this,
but they're going to make millions of people aware of a TV channel
that they didn't even know about in the first place, Al Manar,
and people are going to be curious.
It's just like when you ban a book and tell everybody this book title is banned.
People are going to be curious and want to find out what it is.
It's like the best marketing ever.
And it's, again, an example of the U.S. government shooting itself in the foot
and trying to keep information away from the public.
Yes, and hitting us with some of the shrapnel in the process.
But if you check the audio archives of this radio program,
I think you'll find that the words Al Manar were never uttered before a couple of weeks ago
when somebody mentioned that it was outlawed.
One thing that the U.S. government may succeed in doing
is making service providers afraid to install dishes that can be used to receive the service,
and most people don't have the technical know-how to obtain a satellite dish
and aim it and whatever else you have to do to make it work.
So they may succeed in making it hard to get this channel if the resellers won't do it anymore.
We're coming to a stage where we'll have to have a list of approved channels that we're allowed to watch.
Oh, boy.
Okay, moving on.
This is a breaking story.
Headline, Hackers Steal AT&T Customer Info.
At least now we know who's responsible.
It's not them losing it.
It's not them mishandling it.
It's the hackers again.
Personal data, including credit card information of thousands of AT&T customers,
was stolen by hackers over the weekend, according to AT&T, late Tuesday.
It's great how they can just point the finger at a group of people and say they did it,
and it turns into a news story.
The breach, which affected customers who purchased DSL equipment through AT&T's Web Store,
was discovered within hours, and the online store was shut down immediately, AT&T said in a press release.
They also said they were sending notifications to nearly 19,000 customers,
and you know what comes next.
They would pay for credit monitoring services for the affected customers for a year,
and they have the option to renew and pay money for that.
Unbelievable.
We recognize that there is an active market for illegally obtained personal information,
said the chief privacy officer for AT&T, Priscilla Hill-Ardoin.
We are committed to both protecting our customers' privacy
and to weeding out and punishing the violators.
We deeply regret this incident,
and we intend to pay for credit monitoring services for customers whose accounts have been impacted.
We will work closely with law enforcement to bring these data thieves to account.
Thanks, Jim.
The details of this story put to the lie the assertions that AT&T makes
that it's not their fault, it's the hackers'.
You didn't read in that wire dispatch the bit about
it's only those people who bought DSL equipment
who were able to have their credit card numbers hacked.
Anybody else who bought other things only,
their credit card information is still totally intact and apparently totally safe.
In other words, the hackers went along this little mall trying doors
and finally found the one that was unlocked at the DSL kiosk.
AT&T forgot to lock the DSL kiosk.
This is AT&T's fault.
What do you think, Bernie?
I've got to agree with Jim.
AT&T is blaming people without even knowing who the people are.
I just think there's a lot of irony here because AT&T's statement saying
we're committed to both protecting our customers' privacy
and to weeding out and punishing the violators,
maybe we should look at them in the mirror.
Wasn't it just recently that AT&T sold out the privacy of all its customers to the NSA?
Clearly AT&T is not that concerned about its customers' privacy
if they're going to not protect it adequately
and give it away to government agencies which have been,
according to a federal judge, broken the law.
Beyond all that, just being able to say categorically these are hackers that did this,
what's this got to do with hacking?
Somebody simply found something that was wide open and downloaded information.
Anybody can do that.
It's actually pretty insulting because it totally undermines everything
that the term hacker actually stands for,
which is much more intellectual than just finding an open door
and seeing what's behind it.
Absolutely.
Continuing along the legal front here,
a man was sentenced to three years in prison last Friday
for launching a computer attack that hit tens of thousands of computers,
including some belonging to the Department of Defense,
a Seattle hospital, and the California School District.
Christopher Maxwell of Vacaville, California,
was also sentenced to three years of supervised release.
He pleaded guilty in May to federal charges of conspiracy
to intentionally cause damage to a protected computer
and conspiracy to commit computer fraud.
Maxwell and two juvenile co-conspirators were accused of using botnet attacks,
which are programs that let hackers, again,
infect and control a computer network
to install unwanted Internet advertising software,
a job that earned them about $100,000.
Well, first of all, what do you guys think of this sentence?
Anything?
No? Nothing? No comment at all?
It's a pretty big sentence, but I mean, yeah, this guy is a criminal.
I don't know if three years is too much or whatever.
Maybe they should have fined him or given him a job.
How did he make $100,000 at this? That's what I don't get.
You know, there might be some shady agencies.
It's interesting how this sort of stuff works
because obviously advertising is what pulls in a lot of money
in a lot of these cases, and people are willing to pay
to, without the user's consent,
infect their machine with spyware and malware
and other stuff that forces them to view advertisements
that they have no intention of doing.
But that sounds like what happens every day
in mainstream Internet with quote-unquote legitimate firms.
Well, it also happens with legitimate firms
when using advertising on their web page,
which is a piece of material that you're requesting
as opposed to what happens when you've got a malware infection
where you're not requesting this information
and they have full control over your machine.
Have you ever had a malware infection? Anybody here?
I'm sure everyone here has witnessed many.
I haven't. I mean, what's the symptoms of malware infection?
There's lots of things.
You can find a lot of processes running on your machine
that you have absolutely no idea what they mean.
That's called Mozilla.
No, no, the symptom is all these windows always popping up
that have ads in them when you don't visit any websites at all.
That's a very bad case of relatively old-fashioned malware.
More modern ones will pop up just a limited number of windows.
When you're not opening anything else, they pop up.
I've never experienced that. I've never seen that.
You're very lucky, very fortunate.
No, I think I just don't download things
or open attachments without knowing what they are.
That tends to be what infects you, yes.
The salient point is that there's lots of people
who know less about computers than you do and get this thing.
That's actually one of the problems here
is that the user competency isn't high enough
to prevent these sort of things.
But every once in a while, there's attacks that can be done on machines
where no user interaction is required,
and these infections can still pop up.
I mean, it seems this guy obviously is not a good person,
at least not in this particular case.
But I question sending someone to prison for three years
for basically jumping on the greed bandwagon,
which is what a lot of companies are doing
by bombarding you with advertising and spyware
and all sorts of nasty things like that.
I don't know if I necessarily agree with that at this point.
At this point, everybody's well aware of the consequences
of this sort of action, and it's certainly not something
that's legitimate by any means, so I don't know.
Maybe a long time ago when this sort of stuff wasn't president,
it wasn't very common.
It's unclear, but now I think it's relevant enough
where you can say this is obviously on the wrong side
of the quote-unquote law.
Again, but I just question prison as the answer
for almost every infraction.
Barney, what do you think?
Well, in one argument, it could be said it's a deterrent,
but whenever there's millions of dollars being made out there,
people are going to try to make it,
regardless of what deterrents there are out there.
So this is one person out of hundreds of thousands
that is being prosecuted, and I can guarantee
that this one person being prosecuted
isn't going to make a dent in the problem.
There needs to be a better solution.
I don't know what it is, but locking people up for years and years,
it's like picking one piece of sand off the beach
to prevent it from being washed back into the ocean.
It's ineffectual.
And you should only put that grain of sand away
if it's a threat to all the other grains of sand on the beach, I think.
This analogy is getting more and more strained.
Well, it's a pretty silly picture,
just putting people in prison for infecting computers
with malware and things like that, I think.
When the tide comes up, the analogy is all wet.
Right. Here's another story.
A Florida man who made millions of dollars
selling illegal copies of computer programs
was sentenced also on Friday to six years in prison
in one of the largest U.S. software piracy cases.
Danny Ferrer of Lakeland, Florida, pleaded guilty in June
to conspiracy and copyright infringement charges
after an FBI investigation of his website buysusa.com.
He also was ordered to pay more than $4.1 million in restitution
to Adobe, Autodesk, and Macromedia, Inc.
Ferrer bought numerous airplanes, a fighter jet simulator,
a Lamborghini, a Hummer, and other luxury vehicles with his profits.
U.S. District Court Judge T.S. Elliott,
no, T.S. Ellis, but boy, what a good name,
ordered the items be sold to pay restitution.
I guess when he started buying airplanes,
that's a good sign that this is definitely a master criminal at work here.
Well, I mean, in this case,
I don't know if I necessarily believe the numbers
as far as what these companies have lost
due to his sales of pirated software.
But he bought airplanes, though.
He was able to buy airplanes. He must have lost something.
So we've proven that, like, Bill Gates is indeed a criminal?
No, no, no.
Because that's something that I say a lot,
but it's not very commonly held.
No, this is a different topic, though.
He's obviously making a profit off of selling pirated software, obviously.
And maybe the numbers are inflated as to how much the companies actually lost
because it's not clear whether or not those people
would have purchased legitimate copies anyway.
But again, this is a case where he obviously did something that was illegal,
and I wouldn't be surprised at the jail time.
Yeah, with the numbers,
it's not the case of someone downloading a copy of BSD or Red Hat Linux
where, you know, they charge you for everything,
including the typewriter that was typed on.
Clearly, the people that bought this would have bought the commercial copy
in most instances,
so the loss is pretty equivalent to what he actually earned.
Listen to what the judge had to say to him before sending him away.
You extended your hand into the pockets of these people.
If severe penalties were not attached,
people would line up from here to Los Angeles to do what you've done.
And he said that from Alexandria, Virginia,
so that's a very long line.
I don't know.
I think this guy caused less harm than the other guy
who only got half as much jail time.
Yeah.
So I don't really know.
I don't really want to be advocating sending people to prison or not,
but something's wrong.
Anyway, the software looked legitimate to consumers
but was deeply discounted,
and it had been going on since 2002.
So, yeah, it's interesting.
But, again, I don't know.
Prison, I think, should only be reserved for those people
that are a definite threat or have done something really horrible.
Maybe in this case, I don't know.
The jury's out on that.
Six years is an awful long time, though.
As far as I can tell,
all this guy did is make it more difficult for macromedia
or whoever to sell their software,
even accepting the government's line
that he actually caused damage to macromedia.
But he sold their software.
He took the credit for their software and kept the money.
That's one step beyond just making it available.
Yeah, I'm not saying he should do that,
but it seems very little actual harm happened.
Well, you can argue that he took sales directly away from macromedia.
And also, what happens if the consumer believes this
to be real macromedia or whoever's software
and then has a problem with it, okay?
He would call up the help desk,
and they would say,
Wait a minute, this isn't a legitimate piece.
Perhaps shut it off.
Consumers are irked.
Companies are irked.
People are out of money.
That's a great way to catch the guy, too.
That would, wouldn't it?
And that's actually a really good description
because who's actually at loss right here
is the consumers who don't have legitimate copies of the software
and when they go for upgrades
and when they go to register the software
and all this other stuff,
they're the ones who ultimately get screwed.
Okay, continuing along,
an update to the story we read last week.
Dutch authorities have released 12 men
arrested on suspicion of terrorism
after causing a disturbance on a Northwest Airlines flight last week.
They were suspected of trying to commit an act of violence on a plane
which could endanger the safety of that plane,
and the people on board said a statement
from the prosecutor's office.
They were passing cell phones around,
and one person didn't have their seatbelt on.
Why were people passing cell phones around?
Um, you know, it doesn't say,
and I'd like to know,
but they said they pulled out cell phones
and appeared to be trying to pass the phones to other passengers,
and they were also, I believe they were Indian,
and that added to it.
But it was a flight to India,
where I imagine most of the people...
Even so, you have to be very careful
because it looked very suspicious
and it made a lot of people nervous.
I think what happened was
I think they bought cell phones
and they were passing them around to compare them
to say, hey, look what I bought when I was in Amsterdam.
I think the next time two of us or more are on a plane,
we pass our cell phones around
and copy off each other's address list by hand
and see what happens.
Well, if I'm on a plane at the same time you are,
that's enough of a shock for me,
so we'll just leave it at that.
Meanwhile, someone sent in a link to a site
for a T-shirt.
I mentioned last week
I'd like to wear a T-shirt on an airplane
that says peace or something in Arabic,
and they sent me this link to
itsnotallbad.com
slash I am not a terrorist,
which is the phrase in Arabic
that is on these T-shirts.
I am not a terrorist in Arabic.
It's a great thing.
You can get the shirt at that website,
but that's not really what I want it to do.
In fact, I think as soon as...
We've had this discussion before.
As soon as you inject the word terrorist anywhere
in an airplane situation,
people get all weird and wacky.
I'd like to just leave it at the Arabic
and have a nice word like peace,
something like that,
or any kind of word,
but when you put terrorism on there,
all bets are off.
The news an hour ago
on this very radio station,
WBAI New York,
featured someone being taken off a plane
for wearing a shirt that in English and Arabic
said something like we will not be moved.
That's all it said?
Something similar.
I don't think that's the correct quote exactly,
but I was just so stunned and incensed.
Is this the same story reported last week
where the guy's shirt said we won't be silent?
That may be.
Is this news?
I hope it's a news story
because otherwise the news is a week out of date.
Played last week's news by accident.
That's always possible.
Okay.
We'll be taking phone calls in just a little bit
at 212-209-2900.
And again, our email address is oth at 2600.com.
We love to hear your bits of commentary
on things that we have to say
and various other things.
You see this thing in the New York...
Actually, AM New York.
You read that newspaper?
It's a free newspaper that gets handed out.
Forcefully handed out sometimes.
Someone just handed this to me,
and it was hilarious.
It was a correction,
and apparently it was a picture of the Pope.
And the picture of the Pope had this guy...
There was a guy standing in back of him,
and he had a white shirt on beneath a dark jacket.
And you know when you do that,
there's like the collar,
and you have the two little white parts.
Well, the two white parts were right above the Pope's head
and made him look like Satan.
And so there was a retraction in AM New York
that said the editors of AM New York
didn't notice the bizarre optical illusion
in this AP photo of Pope Benedict XVI,
which ran in Friday's issue.
We apologize if the photo offended any readers.
And I imagine if that was an AP photo,
that probably ran in a lot of newspapers.
So if you saw a picture of the Pope
that looked like Satan,
this time it might not be the real thing.
Next time...
How do we know it's an optical illusion?
It looks real to me.
That's what we're being told.
That is really funny.
Yeah.
I bet the Pope's not laughing,
and when he's angry, you better be careful.
It's a great photo.
It's a shame our listeners can't see it.
There's some good news for a change.
Last week we discussed Verizon's
and Bell South's egregious new fee.
It was sort of this vague fee
they were charging several dollars a month
to all those DSL subscribers.
Coincidentally, it was almost exactly the amount
a federal tax has been ruled unconstitutional
that they were no longer to charge customers for.
And Verizon, at the pressure of the FCC,
has dropped the fee.
And Bell South has also.
So this is good news
that apparently enough people got angry.
I'm hoping people that heard about this
on Off the Hook called Verizon,
as well as other people,
or the FCC, they called.
And public outrage made a difference.
And people are going to be saving
probably 30-some dollars a year
off their Verizon or Bell South DSL bills
because people complained and said,
hey, this isn't right.
This is an unjustifiable fee.
Well, two things, I think, combined here.
Yes, widespread public outrage,
but also widespread mass media coverage.
You have to have those two ingredients
for something to actually get to the point
where a company has no choice but to back down.
And one usually triggers the other, so?
Not always, not always.
There's widespread outrage on a lot of things,
but you've got to get that media attention somehow.
That's always tricky.
That's always tricky,
and the two don't always go together.
Okay, let's take a look at some listener mail.
Dear Off the Hook, I'm playing catch-up right now.
I'm currently listening to the June 21st show,
particularly the part about mobile phones in schools.
I think that mobile phones should be treated
like any other electronic device,
at least when I was in school.
Appropriate usage at the appropriate time.
I used to bring my Game Boy to school all the time,
even throughout high school.
I do not think they should be banned.
Columbine may not be fresh in our heads,
but that doesn't mean it can't happen again.
Signed Daniel from, it says Daniel, Michigan, 25.
Is there a place called Michigan 25?
Maybe he's 25.
Is he putting his age at the end?
That would make some sense.
Sounds right for the Game Boy thing.
Just his email address, you know,
Daniel, Michigan was taken,
and there were 24 other people who took it.
I don't think that's it.
No, I can't hand it to you,
because all the mail's on here.
A hacker friend of mine snapped this picture today.
Oh, this is from our friend Laszlo,
of weird boxes being installed with poles
to prevent cars from hitting them.
You know, there's two yellow poles
that surround something.
No outside outputs, only a sticker on top of it
with a lightning bolt hitting a man
indicating some electrical hazard.
I've noticed this at 20 West 26th Street in Manhattan,
and they seem to be going up all over the place.
Any idea what it is?
I think I know what this is.
Here's a picture of it.
I believe these are the bases
of Muni parking meter things.
That is certainly what it looks like.
Yeah, so what that means is,
you ever see the Muni meters?
That's, I guess, the replacement
for your standard, old-fashioned parking meters.
I hate Muni meters,
because the machines are just so backwards.
Well, explain what you have to do.
You have to park your car, first of all,
walk up to the Muni meter machine,
Use coins, right?
You can't even use bills.
Put coins in it, just like the buses.
Credit cards.
Just like the buses.
You aren't allowed to use bills.
You can't use credit cards,
and it's a silly, silly thing.
I know they have a parking car that you can buy,
but who wants to go through the trouble of that?
If you're going to install new machines,
at least have them be somewhat in the 1990s.
Okay, so that's probably what that is
that's solving that particular issue.
More mail.
This is from our friend Danny B.
Since I'm the one who sent you the article
on the license plate scanning
that was taking place in a town somewhere in New York,
the number 10,000 a minute sounds way too high.
I have to agree.
10,000 license plates a minute.
You'd have to be orbiting Earth
to have that number actually be attainable.
If you figure a simple 1K worth of info
going back and forth for each license plate,
that's 10 megs a minute.
You aren't going to get a wireless connection
anywhere near that.
It wouldn't surprise me if the system
could read that number of plates a minute
and perhaps store them
for the Son of Sam parking ticket deal
but not process them in real time.
And also in regards to reading plates
on parallel parked cars,
these systems, some of them at least,
can also read the printed DMV stickers
on the windshield,
meaning the registration stickers,
which by the way,
they carry a lot of information
that didn't used to be on a car.
The license plate, the make and model of a car.
It used to be you had to know makes and models
to know exactly what kind of car
you were looking at.
The VIN number printed right there
in the open for you to see.
So with that...
That's always in the open, though.
That's on the dash, right?
You sort of have to...
It's different in different places.
Different cars have it in different places.
But a decent social engineer
could get more information from that.
Oh, yeah.
No, it's definitely a bunch of information
that, well, it's probably accessible anyway
but just makes it easier to access.
And you'll be in a situation pretty soon
where you'd better have everything updated
when you drive your car.
Insurance, inspection, registration,
because there'll be sensors everywhere
detecting if the slightest infraction exists.
And once we go down there,
there's no turning back.
Dear OffTheHook,
I noticed you've been talking about T-Mobile
dropping messages that have naughty words in them.
Over in England,
a British telecom does the same thing.
If you send a text message to a landline
that has naughty words,
it won't be sent.
You don't even get a bounce report either.
I'm not sure if you're still charged
for the text message,
but they could make plenty of cash from it,
especially from young kids
texting naughty words to each other.
You sent to a landline?
Signed Brill.
You sent a text message?
Yeah, it did say that, didn't it?
How does that work?
I don't think you can do that.
That's weird,
because maybe British Telecom
has a way where you can text a landline?
I don't know,
because BT does have both mobile and landline.
Give us details on this.
That would be interesting.
I feel like our listeners
have already explained it to us,
because they're usually pretty on the ball
about such things.
I do know if you email a T-Mobile phone
from a regular email account
and use some salty language in there,
it does not get delivered,
at least some of the time anyway,
and I'd appreciate if some of our listeners
or some of us can test this out.
I did.
I tested it out.
You tested it out on Sprint, right?
On Sprint PCS.
I sent us seven dirty words
from George Carlin's monologue
in order to my Sprint PCS phone,
which is basically your phone number
at messaging.sprintpcs.com,
and it went right through.
I was impressed.
Well, that's because using Sprint PCS
is hard enough in the first place
that if you ever get access to email,
it's a miracle.
Bernie, were these separate messages,
and did you do it in the reverse direction?
No, they were all words
separated by a space character,
all seven words separated each
by a space character in one email.
Well, did you send it from your phone
to an email account
or just the email account to the phone?
From an email account to the phone.
I should probably try it the other way.
Try it the other way, too.
Try it both ways,
and I should point out, too,
that I don't think this affects SMS.
I don't think this affects SMS messages
phone to phone.
I have not encountered that,
so I'm not sure.
Maybe in England,
they're doing it differently.
Okay, speaking of indecency,
Dear Off the Hook,
I was listening to audio from Hope No. 6
on the indecent version of Off the Hook.
You mentioned that when you were younger
you saw a Monty Python skit
called, I think,
The Life of a Stockbroker.
This skit showed a young woman bare-chested
and was aired by PBS.
You said of PBS
they won't show that anymore.
I wanted to let you know
that a couple of months ago
I was watching my local PBS station
out of Oklahoma.
That skit was on.
I was very surprised
to see the bare breast on my TV.
I did not report this to the damn FCC.
I was not permanently scarred,
and I think the skit
needed it for continuity.
I hate to see movies on TV
that have been chopped up and blurred
just to keep a few conservative
family groups happy.
I hope one day you can do a quality show
like the one that helped number 6
over the airwaves.
Signed, Brandon.
Brandon, thank you very much.
That's our hope, too.
And I think what you should do
in a situation like this
is call the station and say,
Hey, thank you for playing that.
That was great.
You know, if they get positive responses
that counts just as much.
And if enough people do that
maybe they'll realize,
Hey, the people complaining,
they're in the minority.
Monty Python is being aired
in the New York area
on Channel 13 WNET
every Sunday night at 11 and 11.30.
So call them up and let them know
that you appreciate the non-censored version,
which is what they are airing as well.
Okay.
It'd be nice if they didn't have to wait
until so late at night,
but that's a whole other issue.
I mean, there isn't even an FCC rule
against airing that thing
at 11 o'clock at night.
That's the so-called safe harbor.
These stations don't have to do any of this,
but they're doing it anyway.
Cable stations don't have to do any of this.
They're doing it anyway.
Okay, dear Off the Hook,
I've enjoyed the broadcast for some time.
What is the name of your intro theme?
And what is the name of the band?
Signed Little Stevie one day.
Well, we've answered this a few times.
I think we should put up
like a frequently asked questions section
on our website
because we keep answering the same questions
a lot of times.
But for your information,
the band is Big Audio Dynamite,
comes from a B-side single,
and the name of the song is much worse.
Okay, Bernie, I think you took some flack
for this one.
In the last edition of Off the Hook,
Bernie referred to the British newspaper
The Sun as highly reputable.
Yeah, what were you on?
In no one's opinion
is The Sun a reputable newspaper.
It's only one step above
The National Enquirer,
which is probably why Bernie
couldn't find any substantiating stories
for the item about gel inserts.
You know, it's interesting.
Is The Sun the tabloid paper
that's vehemently anti-war?
Anti-Iraq War, is that another one?
Because I just thought it was amazing
that they have a tabloid that's anti-war.
Here in this country,
tabloids are very much for the war.
It's just weird to see it on the other side.
But yeah, either way,
it's not highly reputable.
Do you agree, Bernie?
Yes.
My tongue was planted firmly in my cheek
as I was saying that.
I was hoping our listeners
appreciated the irony.
This listener,
I thought it was pretty amusing
that I said that.
I was intending to be amusing.
It's probably no better
from a reputation standpoint
than Our National Enquirer.
I was trying to make a joke.
Okay.
Well, maybe we should have a joke indicator
then, especially over the phone.
We didn't know either, I don't think.
When discussing the incident
you discussed on the show,
the British holidaymakers
refusing to fly
with two dark-skinned gentlemen
who spoke Arabic,
my friends and myself
referred to those idiot passengers
as sun readers,
a fair description signed minus Q.
Okay, here's something interesting.
This person sent this in.
I love the show, guys.
Keep it up.
I found this website
while searching for home-brewed antenna masks.
Obviously, it's not about
any homemade structures,
but a thought crossed my mind.
Ever get spam
and either the script
didn't work correctly
and the displayed text
looked like a conversation
that was randomly put together?
Well, this is what this page looks like.
I'm wondering if there is
some sort of purpose to this site.
I tried digging around
but have not looked very hard.
I thought I would send it your way
and see what you thought.
It kind of reminds me
of the numbers station,
but without numbers.
Instead, words and phrases.
Signed Matthew
from Sequim, Washington.
Let me read you what's on this webpage.
I'll give out the address
in just a moment.
At the top, it just says,
Home 2,
and it begins,
Home 2 and Home and Garden Centers,
Augusta, Georgia.
Home 2 Theories.
Instead, Brinsfield Funeral Home,
Leonardtown Home Decor,
Home Base Business Success Stories,
Suit Facts,
Newest Innovative Home Designs,
Companions Knees,
Coldwell Banker,
and Realty Home Listings,
Home Guide Design Consumer,
Good Albuquerque Rental Home Excitement,
who insist upon seeing me.
You do a very good job of reading that.
What in God's name is going on here?
And this goes on.
It goes on.
Oh, it's really long.
This goes on for a full page,
but not only that.
Inside this page are links.
For instance,
there's a link for
Mobile Home Movers in Ohio,
and if you follow the link
to Mobile Home Movers from Ohio,
you get something
that is almost exactly the same
with different words.
Hang on.
Here we go.
Mobile Home Movers in Ohio
and Recommended Work
at Home Opportunities.
Mobile Home Movers in Ohio,
quote,
I fished about with a rake.
Mr. Ranch Home,
they never closed the quote either.
Mr. Ranch Home Design,
Home Safety Product,
Home Security Solutions,
a cap log,
Home House Plans,
Either End to Make Holiday Home,
Budapest Home Bombs,
Home Refinancing,
Mobile Home Movers in Ohio,
that was in bold,
Geneva Home Improvement.
All right,
you guys have any clue
as to what this is about?
Yes.
Go ahead.
All right,
so the way Google's ranking
and maybe some other search engines by now
rank webpages is by obviously
the relativity of the content
and also by how many sites
link to the content.
And so this is standard practice
in many webpages
where at the bottom of the page
you'll see a whole bunch
of blank space
and usually it's just white text
that has a bunch of irrelevant stuff
but search terms
that may be used to find that page.
And so this is a combination of that
and linking to themselves
to sort of manipulate
Google's page rank system
to elevate them.
But what happens
when people get to this page?
Do they feel like
they've gotten an answer to something?
I've seen pages like this
where there's advertising all over
and so they get advertising hits for it.
I've seen pages like this
where there are actually links to real pages
and it's sort of
mostly an advertising scheme
but this one's kind of odd
in that there is none of that on the page
and so I don't know.
And it just keeps linking
to other pages.
It's really scary
when you're reading this.
It's like you've lost your mind
or something
and nothing makes any sense anymore
and you've entered
this alternate universe.
The web page itself
is located at
home2.
Let's see.
2-B-E-G-E-M-O-S-S-dot-O-R-G.
I'll read that again.
Home 2, number 2, dot 2,
again the number 2,
B-E-G-E-M-O-S-S-dot-O-R-G.
And you can read to your heart's content.
There's no secret meaning to this then.
This all makes sense to you.
Well, I've seen this kind of strategy
used before
and in another context
but, you know,
it's the same sort of situation here.
This is probably just
some kind of scam for advertising.
I mean, let's say the domain
was like something legitimate
or half-legitimate.
They could have been trying
to raise their page rank
and then maybe try to sell the domain
while the page rank
was still high or something.
But there's really no ads
on this thing
so maybe they're trying
to make money somehow.
All right.
Well, I guess that's always
the motivation in the end.
And then there are
these bits of email
which I'm sure we've all seen.
I looked at our spam folder
because most of it,
actually all of it
goes to the spam folder
but I delved into there today
to find one of these things
just to read over the air.
And it's from Mike Lindsay.
I'll give out his email address
because I think I should.
It's rzqps
at swmedsource.com
and yes,
why don't you send him
an email or a 10.
The subject is
night table right hand.
And it begins,
so far all that happened
as Dramana told us
that it must.
When we had finished our food,
we packed up
our small belongings
in the most convenient way
we could.
So we went away
but I, lingering behind,
examined the hole
and the pin very carefully.
I ate as much as I was able
because food gives strength
and Hans did the same.
Out of the mouth of the cave
emerged two priests.
I suppose that the priests
grew suspicious
and set one of their numbers
to watch.
But that would not save
the Lady Sabila, Hans.
Or it may have been
because of the great flood
which is rising fast.
Okay, you see,
this is something different.
It's got sentence structure
and it seems to be
the same text.
It might even be
a quote from something
because the same characters
keep getting referred to.
But I'm seeing spam like this
all over the place.
What's this?
What's the game
behind this one?
Well, sometimes
they send out mail
that has a plain text version
that is something like
what you just read
and an HTML version
which is like
buy drugs now.
And a lot of people
see the HTML version
but sometimes spam filters
and your email program
see the text version.
So that might be the reason.
But what is the purpose
of the text?
To fool the spam filter
into thinking it's
a legitimate email.
Alright, but it's not fooling
any of my spam filters.
Well, you know, that's good.
Fool's mine.
I'd like to know
what happens to Hans.
Well, I'll hand you this page
and you can read the rest of it.
I should point out too
at the bottom
there was a picture attachment.
So maybe click on that.
Yeah, the picture
could have been
a lot of these picture
drug ads now.
So they're ads?
They're not viruses
or malware
or spyware
or things like that?
Could be, but usually
it's an ad.
Well, when I look
at these things
in Thunderbird
when it doesn't
filter them out,
at first the text
would flash by
but then it would realize
that there's HTML
and then it would bring up
this like HTML block
of like, you know,
buy drugs
or buy whatever from us.
So it's just advertising.
Bernie?
Yes, I got a piece of spam
like that the other day
and the text was
aprily fascinating.
So I plugged it into
a search engine,
Google in this case,
just to see where
this semi-sensible
prose came from.
And I found it
on the Australian project
Gutenberg
as a book,
as an e-book.
So the spammers
are stealing text
from e-books.
Either that
or Project Gutenberg
is making a book of spam.
Inadvertently.
But I thought it was
pretty intriguing
that this was
apparently only available
on this e-book
from the Australian
Project Gutenberg.
That's probably
the source
of all these messages.
I guess it's a good
source for them.
But the good news is
you can find out
what happens
if you just go there.
Wouldn't it be
more brilliant for them
to actually put this
in white text
on the page
where they're actually
selling the Viagra
or whatever else
they're advertising?
Because it would
refer back to them.
So even if you're
trying to avoid them,
you get back to them.
Yeah.
There are people
on the internet
who make poetry out of spam.
So maybe you can
collaborate with them.
Okay.
And our final letter.
And then we'll take
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Dear OffTheHook,
for the past few days
I've been attempting
to download the latest
MP3 of OffTheHook.
I've tried both iTunes,
a simple download
off your website,
but the downloads
either drop out or stall.
Okay.
Steven, thanks for
sending that to us.
Yes, we've had massive
problems over the weekend.
And the reason for that
was because the audio
from the Hope No. 6
conference was put up,
all of the audio,
and we put it up
in high fidelity mode.
And that turned out
to be our downfall
because everybody
in the world
seemed to want that
and nobody could
get anything.
So, unfortunately,
what we've had to do
is limit access
to just the 16 KBBS versions,
which isn't the best sound,
but otherwise nobody
would be able
to get anything.
You can get a DVD
of all the audio.
It's available
on our website.
And in addition,
all the videos
are now available as well.
So, please check that out.
And, of course,
by getting those videos
and getting that DVD,
you help to support us
so that we can have
bandwidth in the first place.
And, unfortunately,
we're not able
to do that.
So, we've had to
limit access
to just the 16 KBBS
in the first place.
And, unfortunately,
we just reached the maximum.
And we have a good number,
a good amount of bandwidth,
but we just could not
handle that.
And I guess it's good
that so many people want it.
So many people wanted
the audio of the conference.
And, again,
if you get the audio
of the conference,
you're more than welcome
to spread it around.
Same with the video.
Just make sure people
know where it came from.
Okay.
212-209-2900.
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Oh, again,
our regular snail mail address.
I'm stealing my line back.
No, you're not.
Yes, I am.
You're not.
I'm turning your microphone off.
Aw.
You see,
I have final control
over these things.
Kevin replaced you, right?
Okay.
All right.
Here we go.
Email address,
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Snail mail address
is off the hook.
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Exciting, isn't it?
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10th floor.
New York.
New York.
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It's not my fault
you turned down the wrong pot.
I turned down your mic.
How is that possible?
Hi.
Hello.
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How is that possible?
You're gray.
Oh, you're black.
Oh, you know.
It's very confusing.
You turned me off
and I wasn't going to say anything at all.
So Kevin didn't get to say his line.
Dang.
That's so sad.
Oh, okay.
But he's not Kevin,
so it doesn't matter.
We'll talk after the show about that.
He'll have to give the, like,
plus four,
the zip plus four.
Send us mail.
I don't know if people
send us physical mail.
We like to get that.
All right.
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You're on the air.
Speak up, please.
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Hi.
I have a copy of the latest issue
of Foreign Affairs,
the publishing arm
of the Council on Foreign Relations.
It has an article,
excuse me,
by Evan F. Coleman
entitled
The Real Online Terrorist Threat.
And in this,
he says,
we don't have to worry
about cyber attacks.
He says,
fears of such science fiction scenarios
have led policy makers
to be afraid
of cyber attacks.
He says,
we don't have to worry
about cyber attacks.
He says,
fears of such science fiction scenarios
have led policy makers
to be afraid
of cyber attacks.
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about cyber attacks.
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about cyber attacks.
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about cyber attacks.
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we don't have to worry
about cyber attacks.
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we don't have to worry
about cyber attacks.
He says,
we don't have to worry
about cyber attacks.
Mostly,
to the to the point
where he says,
in many ways,
such groups use
the internet in the
same way that peaceful
political organizations
do,
what makes terrorists
activity threatening
is their intent.
Okay.
So I would I just want
to hear your comments
on that,
thank you so much.
Thanks.
Well,
I think it's reached
the point where the
internet is kind of
like oxygen everybody
has it now,
and ah it's not the
And we're going to have to figure out ways of dealing with nasty people in whatever form they happen to be in.
And it's another case of the same technology that's being used for good.
You know, cryptography and all this stuff that keeps our information secure and private and also keeps their information secure and private.
And you can't limit access to that sort of thing.
Okay. I'm taking another phone call. Good evening. You're on the air.
Speak up.
Okay. You've got to speak up quickly, folks.
Good evening. You're on the air.
All right. I didn't mean to scare people away, though.
Good evening. You're on the air.
Go ahead.
Hi. Great show, by the way.
Thank you.
In the case where the guy was pirating the software, now they say that he has to pay, right?
Right.
Now, if he pays that amount and the people who bought that software need tech support, would that company provide it?
That's a good question.
I'm not sure exactly how he was giving out the information of the software he was selling, whether he was using legitimate codes or anything that would work with the company that actually made the software.
It seems monumentally stupid to sell something fraudulently with a bad code that someone's going to try and use, and it's going to come back to you as the person who perpetrated it in the first place.
So, therefore, what I was trying to find out is if the guy pays the money, the penalty, right?
So the people—well, I guess you had answered it before. The people are the ones who are at a loss.
All right. Thanks for your call.
Let's squeeze in one or two more. Good evening. You're on the air.
Emmanuel.
Yes, go ahead.
Hey, I wanted to tell you that I listened—I was able to download some of the high-quality stuff from Hope, and the uncensored show you guys did was great.
Well, thank you. Hopefully, one day, people over the radio will be able to hear that as well.
Yeah, I hope so, too.
And I got about half the shows. I'm going to probably put out a torrent or something.
Sounds good, yeah. Hopefully, a torrent will show up, but please encourage people to get the videos, too, because we broke our asses over these things.
Okay, man.
All right. Take care. Good evening. You're on the air.
Okay.
Hello?
Yes, go ahead. You okay?
Yeah.
What's on your mind?
I just got some information in my phone bill, and I'm wondering if it makes any sense from Verizon.
They're talking about answering machines and their default code.
Oh, yeah. You know, they did this about a month ago where they basically just issued a proclamation saying everyone should change their passwords because people can get in and do evil things, and no doubt hackers are behind it all.
And this is stuff that we've known since the 1980s. There's nothing new here.
Yeah, but they're talking about programming it to accept, collect, and third-party calls. A simple answering machine that just has its default on?
I don't know of any operator that would be fooled by an answering machine accepting a collect call.
That's what I'm wondering about, yeah.
Unless, okay, someone could get into your answering machine. Actually, we've played around with this in the past.
They can get into your answering machine and change the outgoing message to say, hello, yes, I accept the collect call.
And that might work. That doesn't work, Mike?
Wait, collect calls are not handled by human operators.
That's right. They're not even handled by human operators anymore.
They're handled by touch tones, usually, and you could put a touch tone on an answering machine.
You would be extremely hard-pressed to be able to do this, and it's just so easy to make phone calls without making them collect anyway these days for nothing.
Okay, one more call. I think we have time for it. Good evening. You're on the air.
That might work. That doesn't work, Mike?
Yes, that's my voice. Now let's hear your voice.
Hello.
Hey, you're talking to mine. Go ahead.
Hi. Just a quick thing to maybe wake up the NSA people. URL for the TV station is www.manartv.com.lb.
Oh, boy. Okay, and do they have a stream on there?
Yeah, they have. I found French, German, and English streams.
Wow, so it's manartv.com.lb?
Yep.
Awesome. All right, thanks so much.
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