The socialist left the radical left and that had a lot to do with Bernie losing the nomination
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Rob T firefly good evening Kyle. Hi
and Bernie s
Greetings from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, which is now a red state
Yeah, we're gonna talk about that a little bit. We're gonna talk about a bunch of things
This is going to be I guess a rather difficult show for us
in many ways a difficult show for for many people
You know, it's it's it's interesting coming in to New York
from the island earlier today
You just get this weird sense that everybody is kind of in a sense of shock
you know and
You see it in the way people are moving as they're walking around the streets
You see it in the way they're driving certainly, which is far more erratic than normal
And you know, you've seen it since last night
on TV and over the radio and just
People you might be interacting with online and and getting phone calls from it's
It's just been a
Day and an evening of shock. I've heard from so many people
How about they're not getting any sleep?
how they basically don't know what to do next and
I think the important thing at this stage is to just recognize that we are not alone
That there are so many of us right now
feeling
The way we are feeling and it's okay. That's the way you're supposed to feel the one thing. That would be so much worse
than the results of last night's election
Would be if we were okay with it if we didn't feel anything
You know if we were just able to get about our business and not feel like crap
You know because that would mean something inside of us had died
So this feeling that we're feeling right now this feeling of despair and hopelessness and depression that is normal
That is healthy, but don't face it alone
Reach out to people talk to people talk to your friends check make sure people are okay
You know because
We get to come on the radio and and and and and share this with with you folks out there
And we're gonna take phone calls and you can talk to us
But there might be people you know who have no outlets have no way of expressing themselves who are feeling really really bad right now
and
Like I said, it's it's a normal feeling it's something that we should be feeling and
We're going to have to face a lot of things together, but we're going to be together when we face it
one thing to remember and
I didn't even realize this until today
There are more of us
Than there are of them now if you want to make it an us versus them thing I
Got to say you know I don't think
I'm unique and phrasing it in that way. I think that's pretty much the way this whole campaign has been from the beginning
but
If you want to say us versus them
Yeah, there are more of us there are more
Democrats
Progressives liberals gay people Muslims Mexicans you name it and we scare the crap out of the other people
Remember that remember that we scare them
And that's why they came out in droves, but even coming out in droves more people voted for Hillary Clinton than for Donald Trump
But because of our screwed-up system, which is not going to change by the way
So don't even waste your breath on that
Because of that system
they
Get the office they get everything okay. You know what?
They get all the responsibility too. They get all the blame because things are gonna go horribly wrong I
Got to tell you
just looking at
At all the things that Donald Trump has promised people
That he's going to solve health care that he's going to solve the economy that he's gonna
Solve immigration and all these things that he has absolutely no clue what he's doing. We basically just put a
sex predator in the White House
Who does not have an iota of a clue as to what to do next and it's gonna have to rely on all kinds of
Experts that he's already insulted
People are gonna figure out pretty quickly
That this was a huge mistake
And
We need to think back on our lives think back on all the injustices we faced over time whether it's
in our schools in our houses in our workplaces in any institution and
think of
When you got the most change was it when things were going?
Okay, or was it when things stopped going?
Okay, and pissed you off for the last time and got you to react and I I hope
That the reaction will be so much stronger than the action has been up until now
Because folks the action was not enough that you know, maybe you want to blame the DNC. Maybe that makes you feel better
Personally, I think the blame is on us. I don't think we did enough. I think we spent too much time
Focusing on nitpicking and and and saying who would have been better even though they had no chance
You had idiots like Jill Stein, I'm sorry, that's very disrespectful. I'm sorry
Idiots like dr. Jill Stein coming on these very airwaves talking about North Dakota and the pipeline and and and saying how
Hillary Clinton was was
Doing bad things too and not saying a word about Donald Trump. Yeah criticize Hillary Clinton, but to give Donald Trump a pass
that enabled people
To to to entertain the thought process that yeah
Well, maybe that kind of a change would be a good thing
in fact
The reason I call her an idiot is because she has gone on record as saying that Donald Trump is less dangerous
Than Hillary Clinton and I'm sorry
anybody
who
Calls themselves left of center who believes that is an idiot
Sorry, that's just the way I feel and I'm not going to apologize for it
I'm not gonna be apologizing for a lot of things from this point on
You know
It doesn't really matter
But I'll listen and
I think we all have to do a lot of listening
but we all have to do a lot of talking too and we all have to do a lot of marching and shouting and
Just showing up and uniting and not tearing ourselves apart because that's what always does us in
Is when we tear ourselves apart?
You know, we we have so much we've we've gained so much and
what kind of know how much we gain because we're gonna see it all start to disappear and
I know there are all kinds of problems with Obama. I know that
But it was our inability to focus on the good
and
To support him when he needed us to support him
Sure, it's not everything it's not it's not the second coming it's not the perfect leader so much was wrong
We can focus on that. But if you do focus primarily on that
Then you lose the good with the bad when you get rid of that particular leader and
That is what we've accomplished right now. We've gotten rid of them. We've gotten rid of Obama
We've gotten rid of Clinton and we've embraced something that I never thought
I've really never thought something like this would happen in this country in my lifetime, but the other
Part of all that is the reaction
I never thought I'd see revolution in this country in my lifetime, and I think maybe I'm gonna see that now
Maybe I'm gonna see you know some some
Actual insurrection that matters that's not fragmented and splintered into a million pieces something where we can all unite
Because come January when we realize what has been unleashed I
think there will be lots and lots of angry people and
I think we'll start to realize hey, we have so much stronger together than we are fragmented and
You know, maybe we'll start using this radio station more as a voice of resistance
Wouldn't that be nice we have the tools
We have the ability we have the desire we just have to put it all together and react
So
Today is a difficult day. It's actually 9-eleven in most parts of the world. Can you believe that?
Because they do them they do day month format and it's November 9th a lot of people don't get that so I
know it's distasteful to compare it to 9-eleven, but
I
Don't think I felt this way since then
I know I haven't gotten as many emails and phone calls from people all over the world asking if I'm okay since then
so
It's an apt comparison and when you consider how many people are going to die and a lot of people are going to die
Because of this why?
Well, okay climate change alone
If Donald Trump is able to undo
The Paris Accord
Like he promised to or just basically
Make it more acceptable to think of climate change as some kind of a hoax
Millions will die
Humans and
Wildlife of all sorts and maybe even the entire planet you you you consider this lunatic having his finger on the nuclear button
What that could entail?
think about all the police who will be able to murder people and
Not have anybody criticizing them not have anybody in power think of the wars that will start as
result of ignorance and prejudice and fear and hatred and
The original 9-eleven was gonna look like a pretty good day actually compared to
What will be unleashed here if this?
goes on for
Any significant amount of time? So yeah, we have a lot of head of us a lot of bad things ahead of us
But we're together and
We're gonna stay together
And I'm lucky to have this community the hacker community the the radio community the BAI community the New York community
the
Thinking community all around the world, you know, I can't I can't think of anything more disturbing than being in a
Red state and I'm thinking of you Bernie
But I'm thinking also of people in really red states out there in the middle of the country who feel very alone right now
We can go to New York City. We can hang out in the East Village. We can feel a lot better
With a lot of people, but you might not have that option
You might be alone in your community where you are and you have to remember you're not you're not alone
It's gonna be difficult ahead your very existence your very identity might be questioned condemned
Threatened in all sorts of ways
but you have to remain strong and
know that there are people that will have your back and
We have to remember them we have to stick together
And
That is what we are facing now the day after election day 2016
How about you guys how much how was your night last night?
Joe had great. No. Yeah. Yeah. Great night. Oh, everything's fine
No, I can't I can't even do that it's
in one sense
I'm relieved that campaigning is over. I can there's that you'll really good about that
But what quickly fills that void is
The uncertainty of
What's next
What that means for me what that means for
The people I care about
There's
A lot of hyperbole, there's a lot of rhetoric. There's a lot of puffery that has come with that campaign that ended
but I
Don't feel equipped to
to feel
confident that things are going to be
As ideal as they were perhaps presented by the side that won, right?
But
In spite of that I have resolved to continue to participate
and
I
I'm glad you said that
People out there in the middle
Might need to speak up might need help might need people to listen to and I would echo that please
Talk to people
Listen as well, but
Really find find your community find
who your
Alliances where those will be in the next
Couple weeks a couple months however long it takes that's really really important
To
Have that affinity and
the listening of
People in your community, however small that is
Maybe it's virtual. We do have that still to a degree
and
Use the tools and resources just like you said with this particular resource the radio station
There's a lot of levers there's a lot of mechanisms
I think that's basically what we are left with
as far as interfacing with the political
machinations and
I would I would say with that resolve I have to participate to
Stay here and persist
And speak out and and
Use my critical thinking
I
Have I
Have confidence that
I
Have confidence that will
Will definitely see a response will definitely
Be
Surprised by
The unity that is
Being suggested both by the government and the campaigns and so on
right now, so I
Guess with that I I don't really know how to sum it up
and and what to
speak to other than
I'm certain of a lot of people are not going to give up
Looking at these issues looking at
The way we're governed the way we're influenced even and that
Will
We'll have another chance at this and
And
And we'll see we'll see where it goes, but I think it's prudent to be vigilant and
Related like you said with people however that manifests itself for you
yeah, I
In regards to what you're saying about okay. Yeah, the campaign is over that that in itself
I was saying early yesterday that whichever way this goes at least we're done dealing with that particular campaign that particular election
season and
yeah, that's kind of that's kind of a load off my mind as as a
journalist as a human being as as as whatever but
but yeah, now that now now it's time to look at what happened and the consequences and
yeah, my my election night and this morning was spent getting in touch with the people close to me in my life and and
Reminding all of us reminding one another that yeah, we're still here. We're still here for one another. We're still
In this together. We're still none of us are alone because it's very easy to start feeling alone in all this
and
Taking taking the the train from my from my home to my job this morning. I
Don't think I've ever seen the trains that quiet
that universally
Downcast that it it was it was a population wounded and
a
colleague of mine from from work compared it to
Because she was living in the neighborhood at the time
the the the people after September 11 2001 and
I believe that
It's it sounds silly, but I believe that and but but the thing the thing to remember is we are here
We do still have this community
We have all these communities that that we bring together here on this program the hacker community the radio community
the activism community the community of people who are just curious enough to turn their dial here and listen and get involved and
that is
That's what's gotten through us through us as a population through so much in the past and that's what's going to get us through again
This time we've done it before
Not in this particular
context or this particular situation, but we've we've done it before and we will damn well do it again and
And
Yeah that we are we are here we're not going away we're we're not gonna sit by and be quiet
As Sidney Sidney Lumet said and then in his film network, you know
The first thing is you've got to get mad and I think we're all plenty mad. So we'll see where it goes from here
Yeah
Well said both of you
Bernie
Checking in
How are you doing down there in?
Pennsylvania, well, I'm a bit despondent. It's been a pretty gray and
cold day here, which is appropriate, but I
Many of our listeners know I was a vote on shirt for several months for the Bernie Sanders campaign
Here and for the primary here in Philadelphia, which unfortunately
Did not win. We later saw how the Democratic Party
Trying to sabotage his campaign. But in any case
earlier this week Monday night on
I felt like I was at ground zero of this election or this
campaign season when the president United States and Hillary Clinton and the vice president and
the president's wife and
top
musical acts were all performing and
Begging for people to come out and vote in front of Independence Hall
so I thought man, they
They must be in trouble they see they see information that we don't have access to and
They would not have pulled out such a big
Rally, you know night before Election Day. Were they not really feeling?
pinch and last night I went to a
Party of several hundred people to watch the election returns. It was called
The pussy grabs back party and there were a lot of great people there
We had a variety of ceramic objects to throw at targets to Dix, you know
Have a cathartic
Outlet for anger as the as
the polls came in and
I stayed there till about 230 when I realized
We would be having a Trump administration in the near future
So I've just been trying to wrap my mind around that today, of course like like you all
exchanging
concerns with
With our friends and family member. Are you okay? Are you feeling a lot of people aren't feeling well?
But like you said Emanuel
the folks that
that
Should to do or actually the election in this way last night are really afraid of us
But they're only really afraid of us if we take action and vote and not enough not enough of us to do that
So, you know the folks listening to this show have access to you know tools and resources technical tools and resources
That not everybody
Uses on a regular basis, but you know, we've seen how this community could change legislation
strike things down
Remember Aaron Swartz. We remember a lot of things that this community is capable of doing and
You know, this administration has two years with with as you pointed out at a full
slate full
full responsibility in the house in the Senate and the executive branch in the White House of what goes on and
If they don't screw if they screw things up in the next two years
They're going to be losing at least the Senate and maybe the house
And we need to keep really active and make people know what this administration is trying to do and how it's going to affect them
from a technical perspective, you know, whether it's net neutrality or
privacy
electronic privacy
Domestic surveillance by federal agency by you know federal and by by intelligence agencies a lot of this stuff
I have fear is going to start happening
And you've got the gist of that from Donald Trump's
Some of the speeches that you know gloves are going to come off again sort of thing. So I
Obviously, I'm not looking forward to that
But we have to be really vigilant and be observant and communicate and convince all people
We know like hey, this is what's going on. And if enough people take notice we might be able to change the course of history
back in a sane direction
Well, you mentioned rightfully so that
Not enough of us voted
even though the popular vote was one
but
More should have more should have definitely voted
Voting isn't the only thing that they're scared of
When it comes to our numbers
It's our presence. It's our actions and I don't want people to think that this is it until the next election. It's not
Your your very presence
Whenever they try something and we need we need to be aware of whenever they try something
That presence is what's going to make the difference
Remember this one fact
There is not a government
Planet that has ever existed on this planet that is not scared to death of its citizens
All right, that's a very important fact and
We need to make sure that these guys are
scared of us
and we need to be in their face every step of the way and we need to make it as
Difficult as possible if not impossible
For them to get anything they want that we do not want and we cannot be shy and there will be a price to pay
for this absolutely
But we can't hold back because we've been doing that too much and this is the result
so
Yeah, be afraid of them but make them more afraid of us
Because there's a lot more of us than there are of them and you know, it goes beyond just the electorate in
This nation
Think of the entire world think how this affects other nations other people and
And just the the the the progress of humanity
Okay, I understand we have what do we have Rob we have somebody not calling in on the phone
We appear to caller. Can you introduce yourself, please?
I'm sorry. Just yet again. I had the wrong thing up. Go ahead
I'm at the Trump protest. Who are you again? Pretty wild here. Who is this on the phone?
Cameron death, okay
Go ahead and you're and you're aware now
All right, sorry the phone connections of it difficult
Okay, we can hear you now
All right. That's good. I'm at the Donald Trump protest and things are pretty wild. I
Decided to go just for a little journalism and to see what it was all about
I'm not a particular fan of Trump
And we started off in Union Square
That's where it all began
There was a lot the police urging people to stop jumping the fence to get into the house
Stop jumping the fence to get into the park
They were kind of controlling the flow of traffic
And and by the way, I would like to say the police are doing a fantastic job
Most of them admit that they also hate Trump, which is kind of funny
But then we marched slowly but surely all the way to the Trump Tower and
Police started threatening arrests. They walk around with zip ties and they blast on loudspeakers what our rights are
Informing us that if we stay in the street arrests will be made
Few helicopters now and overall
The energy of the of the crowd here. It's absolutely fantastic. People are shouting about love
about freedom
And I think this is a perfect example of what happens when New York comes together
Absolutely. I got news for you. By the way, even if you get off the street, they will arrest you
Just be careful of that
but where
Where's the Trump Tower? Is that the one on Wall Street?
Many of them which one is this
it's
It's pretty crowded. So it's hard to tell but what part of what part of Manhattan are you in?
We walked up
30 something Street, I think okay. So you're you're in the midtown area. I
Think around Fifth Avenue, yeah midtown. Okay. All right. Well then and it's still going on right now
Dying down a little bit but still going on nonetheless
the police have created sort of a barricade between the street and the Trump Tower and
they ever so
You still with us
Well
Apparently a lot of people are using cell phones in that area if that's what I would imagine
signals are
being
Curtail, yep, and we lost a call. That was dent
Calling in from a Trump protest anti Trump test
In Manhattan, and I'm sure that won't be the last one and that's something that we do need to
to see more of his expression and
And a lot of a
lot of turnout
Is this tent again?
No, it's not dent. Oh, yes
It's Nick Nick. Okay, Nick. Well, as long as you found our phone number, I guess we'll give you the floor
What what's on your mind? Yeah. Well, I agree with everything
That you guys have said
One person I would like to add
I know it's not going to be popular because I know you guys like him a lot
But I think Julian Assange really acted
Despicably during this campaign
he has a pathological hatred obviously of Hillary Clinton and
I think what he did was unforgivable
releasing these emails every couple of weeks to make her look bad and
I I think he's to me is almost as despicable as Gary Johnson or Jill Stein
Because the media just
Were attracted to that so so much whenever he leaked these negative stories about her from these stupid
emails and I think he
He has to bear some of the blame for giving us Trump
Interesting. Well, let me just say a couple of things to that
Yeah, you make you make some some really interesting points
Regarding Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, I don't think they're despicable for running at all
I think we need more third-party candidates
I call Jill Stein an idiot because of what she said because of of
Actually thinking Trump would be a safer candidate than Clinton and encouraging people
to
to believe that that to me is is
Is crazy talk as far as as Julian I hear what you're saying and
I've been very conflicted on this myself, and I know a lot of other people have it does seem as if he was releasing things
Simply to make Hillary Clinton look bad if that is the case then I agree with you 100%
If however, he was simply releasing material that he had received
Anonymously that affected one particular candidate
Then he can claim he was he was acting as a journalist
I
Know that's kind of difficult to to accept
especially
With the absence of any Trump material, that's what bothers me the most
Is it possible? He just didn't receive any material on Donald Trump that that made him look bad and you know it
It goes beyond that I mean you can look at the intercept very little
Criticizing Donald Trump and a whole lot criticizing Hillary Clinton. It's not just these guys so many people on the left
targeted Hillary Clinton and
I'm not saying anything that they were saying is necessarily inaccurate
it might be exaggerated a bit, but when you consider when you consider what the alternative was and
To not believe that that would be the consequence of completely decimating
That candidate that to me is highly irresponsible and something that people really should have thought through
Right. Well, I'm just saying I can never look at Julian Assange as a hero again after this because I do think
he has to look himself in the mirror and
Question what he did because I do think that he helped in part give us Trump because he
Hurt Clint. He made Hillary Clinton's character an issue in this case
He helped magnify her character issues
And I do think that's unforgivable because we have four years now to suffer under Donald Trump
And I don't know if we're going to survive
Yeah, I I do believe Assange made a statement today to the effect of yes
He he received the material from the Clinton campaign, but he didn't receive
comparable material from
regarding the the Sanders or Trump or whatever campaigns, but
But yeah, I totally I totally do hear this issue and I'm very conflicted on it myself
but what I'm most interested in right now because we can't change the past we can only learn from it and
What we can do with these emails now that have been leaked is I have no doubt in my mind that you would find the
Same batch of communications behind the scenes at every political
campaign that has happened basically in this country and I think we we should take these lessons as
The next time this comes around the next time we have the chance to get behind a candidate or or get involved with the with the
whole process
think of what we've learned from these emails and think of what's going on then in the situation that will be in front of us and
Only then can we can we I think make a more informed decision about what we want to hitch ourselves to what we want to
get involved with and how how they might be
Doing whatever deals behind the scenes and if anyone has Donald Trump emails
We want to see those because I can't imagine any any campaign or any even individual
Who has all of their emails leaked and looks good. I don't think that's possible
So obviously if you're gonna leak somebody's emails, they're going to look bad, especially any
Politician, you know, I dare say I say it Bernie Sanders if his emails were leaked
I'll bet we'd find things in there that would make him look bad. You know, it's
If you target one particular candidate, yeah, that's as a caller said that's something that's
that's shameful if if you're doing it for the purpose of just
Just making them lose and not thinking about the consequences of making them lose
It's also shameful if this material was was in the hands of WikiLeaks while Bernie Sanders could still have won
imagine that imagine if leaking this back in in the spring could have
Made him the candidate because he would have he would have won. He would have beaten Trump
There's no question about that. And can you imagine a president Sanders? I mean you can imagine
You know anything now that there's a President Trump. You can imagine a President Colonel Sanders
you can imagine literally anything because
Nobody saw this coming and and and you look at every late-night TV pundit
You look at even the president of the United States Barack Obama said he's not gonna be I believe he said he's not gonna be
The candidate not he's not gonna be the president and we all agreed with him because it was the most ridiculous
Thing ever you saw what John Oliver did a couple of years ago where he said, please Donald Trump run
We want you to because it would have been so ridiculous and such a huge waste of time
but this country has a way of
swerving into the unreasonable
Arena and making fantasy into reality. Some people call that making your dreams come true
But nightmares are dreams too. And now we've got one. Hey, thanks for your call. It's do a great job. Thank you so much
Thank you on our phone number. By the way for those who didn't already know it is
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335 0 8 1 8 we can only take one call per we used to be able to take 12 now
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So three four seven three three five zero eight one eight. I just would add to that that I think
There's an undertone and I've found this in my travels in Europe that a lot of people are
dissatisfied with the
corporate
the genesis of corporatization globalization
having its roots and
Tax shelters, I don't know Delaware corporations having all of that come from America and that
resentment manifests itself in a deep
Desire for the American experiment to completely
implode upon its own
People which as a traveler, it's you find yourself being a diplomat trying to explain
Like yeah, it's a slow system. Yeah it this and oh and yeah, we're doing you know and and you
Finally have to stop
Trying to make a case for it because you cannot convince people that this
Country has virtues anymore dude. I'm hanging up my diplomat hat
I'll take that right now because I don't think I can do it. I don't think I can
Yeah, yeah and
Jokes on them
because they're getting
exactly the opposite of
Everything we ever tried to say
Diplomatically about this country. Mm-hmm. So it's gonna be rah rah
so
Yeah, we'll see you out there
Thanks for nothing. All right
Let's take a phone call. Good evening. You're on the radio. Hello. This is Steven from Long Island. How you guys doing tonight?
Oh, we've had better nights
Super duper it's it's it's it's weird. I'll tell you that it's almost like I'm listening to you at your regular time with the clock
set back
Okay, I'm not sure what that means exactly neither used to be on from 7 to 8, but right, right. I
Just want to hit you with a different way of looking at this situation
Okay
You don't protest an election
Unless it is a fraud. I
Think I think the protesters are making a mistake
Trump hasn't actually done anything
The election was supposedly legitimate
It's not like when Bush stole the election in 2000 and to go out there and preemptively strike
Against this unknown quantity. I think it's a huge mistake and
It's going to push Donald Trump right into the hands of the most extreme Republicans
He's going to put far right-wing
judges on the Supreme Court, they're going to obliterate what's left of the Fourth Amendment and
The people and we know a lot of people voted for Trump are going to see the protesters as the instigators
That's that's
The way I see it strategically. I think that the people need to wait until he actually does something substantial and
Then protest. Okay. Let me let me just break in here. He has done something substantial. He's spoken. He's opened his mouth
He's from the very first day when he announced his candidacy
He has done things that have that have completely disgusted
Civilized people all around the world. That's what they're out there protesting. They're not protesting the election. We know we lost the election
We know the system is messed up and that even though Clinton got more votes somehow she lost the election fine
That's how our system works, which will never change because Republicans control everything
but people are out there because they're angry that this lunatic this sex offender is
Now going to be running our country and the good part of the world and possibly destroying a lot of it in the process
That's what they're protesting
I don't think they should wait and see and and and give him an opportunity to make that prophecy come true
I hear what Hillary Clinton is saying. I hear what Barack Obama is saying. We owe him a
Chance no, we don't owe him anything. They have to say that they don't want riots in the street
They don't want to be responsible for that
But we're the people
All right
And we know what he said we know what he stands for and we don't have to wait until inauguration day to protest that
Well, you have nearly as many people that voted for him though
So it's it's almost like a clash of the people and what is what is that going to do with the establishment?
It's gonna entrench them. They're gonna have their own their own. Let's say pawns
Fighting against these protesters creating a pandemonium and in the chaos
They're just going to absorb more of the wealth and take away more of the freedom
Well, I maintain there are more of us than there are of them
I also believe many of the people who voted for Trump did so for the wrong reasons and
That's those are the people that yeah after after he takes power
They will see what a fraud he is and how much they're being hurt by this and then they can join
The people who are already protesting against him, that's what I hope absolutely, but I think we should wait until he actually makes a
significant misstep
I think in the in the
2000 election when the people
Protested Bush's inauguration to the point where they had to hide it on TV and the brain remember that I was there
I was a good pro. Oh great. Great. Yeah, if you're from WBA, I where else would you be right?
I don't want to go to this time this one though. I'm actually I don't want to be anywhere near it
I don't even think I want to be in the country, but I do want to protest and to
to prevent however possible
Anything that this guy wants to do that is harmful to this nation and I think that's that's our obligation not our right
That's that's our duty
you you got to give him you got to give him a little bit of rope for the for the sake of
Letting the other people see that it's that it's not his opposers starting starting the crap
Well, he's brought his own rope and he's already using it. I think we need to react
Well, so one of the often overlooked functions of a protest is not just to say to the target. Hey, we don't like you
It's to say to the rest of the world. Hey, we're a bunch of people that don't like him
It's it's it's a message to the community. It's a message to the world in general that no
We're we're we're not all gonna stay quiet about this. We're not gonna go gently into the into that. Good night
We're we're angry we're upset and and here we are and this is where we fail to
In the months leading up to all this there should have been protests every single day
All of his events should have been disrupted
there should have been so much more anger and not just having having an equal number of
Representatives from from his camp versus the other camp because that legitimized everything the media helped to create this nightmare
there's no way a
Rational country would ever elect a reality TV show host to be the most powerful man in the world
Especially one with his temperament
But the media made that possible by elevating him by legitimizing him by saying
Oh, well, he doesn't believe in global warming and here's let's let's pair of somebody who does believe in global warming and we'll have a one-on-one
Debate it doesn't work that way
You know you have sometimes absolute right and absolute wrong and there are so many absolute wrongs here that have been legitimized
And that should have been protested for so long
We should have been so much more vocal and loud and we need to make up for that now
Don't wait for Inauguration Day get out there right now. Thanks for your call
Let's see if we can fit in any more our phone numbers three four seven three three five zero eight one eight
Bernie what's uh anything that you have to say about that?
Well, I just wanted to briefly go back to what you were saying about what a caller said about Julian Assange
Made an announcement, I think yesterday or this this week on the Russian television
saying that he did not receive the
leaked
John Podesta emails from the Clinton campaign
From Russia. I'm not sure how he'd know that since the way Wikileaks technology works is
He's not supposed to you not able to know who sent him stuff
Also, you know, is that really the best way to make people believe that it didn't come from Russia is to make the statement on Russian
TV
Not a good choice of mediums, but he did he made an interesting quote
It was quoted as saying something interesting Julian Assange said in Russian TV. Hillary Clinton is just one person
I actually feel quite sorry for Hillary Clinton as a person because I see someone who was eaten alive by their ambitions
Tormented literally to the point where they become sick
For example faint as a result of going on going on with their ambitions
Some people might say that describes Julian Assange, but in any case I value what Wikileaks does
I'm just not sure if from the way it handled things this time was in
the United States best interests or in the best interest of a free and open debate as to
where this actually
Was taking us
Yeah, you know it's
It's something we're going to be talking about for a very very long time
and I
Think also, you know that Julian is kind of going to be the victim in this as well because had Hillary won I
Think he would have been
completely
Safe to come out of the embassy and
Maybe be prosecuted in Sweden. Maybe have some
paperwork to fill out in the UK
But if Hillary Clinton had gone after him at that point and had him extradited to the United States
even among her fiercest
Advocates she would have looked so evil so bad
I think that would never have been a safer time for him to walk out that door and
He might think that it's safe now with Donald Trump in power, but boy
You know just like Kim calm that guy actually endorsed Donald Trump. Can you believe that he endorsed Donald Trump?
Thinking that somehow that's gonna keep him from being extradited to the United States got news for you pal. It's not going to
do not believe
anything these people say they are not your friends and
Especially somebody like Donald Trump, you know, the only the only person really involved in in
things being leaked
That seemed to get it is Edward Snowden
If you watch what Edward Snowden he was the only one that seemed to really grasp the true horror of what we were facing
And the fact that now this guy
Donald Trump is now going to be in charge of the surveillance
Yeah, all about how scary that is all that stuff that's on the shelf
is there for the
Implementing and I know I know our self-hating left-wing people want to blame the Democrats for that and yeah
They do they do share a lot of the blame as any any ruling class would any politician would but do you really think?
That the right wing would not have done the exact same thing if they were in power
Do you really think the right wing would not be using drones?
Would not be using surveillance would not be doing all the things that we criticize Obama for doing. I
Think anyone anyone in that office
Maybe even Bernie Sanders would find themselves doing these unpalatable things because sometimes the office is more powerful than the person. I
think that's something Donald Trump might find out too, but
What a ride that's going to be let's see if we can fit in another phone call. Good evening. You're on off the hook
Hi, it's Delfini. Hey, they'll see me. How are you? Hey, how's it going? Oh, it's uh, it's going it's an interesting day. I
Bet a few comments to what you guys were talking about
And you know, obviously people did feel low today I
For some reason, I don't know what happened saw something like that coming
and I think one thing we need to
do is hit the ground running and
and
I think looking at the media and the complicity of the media during this whole campaign is really important
And I think working on a media blackout of some kind
Then there's also we should look at the other
rumors that are going out around out there and I think it has to do with the FBI investigation and
other factors into it like
The second in charge in the FBI and and the campaign contributions to his wife by a Clinton aide
then also the sources of where the WikiLeaks information comes from because there's speculation that might be coming from
The security community those kind of things. It's it's just so bizarre how many
rumors are out there that
Have gone, you know virtually unnoticed in in this whole circus
That we were subjected to and I think a lot of this is is going to be
You know important for us to realize
And how are we going to proceed going forward as as the the people of this country
because
I
Think there there are so many other factors at stake or or involved that run the show
And I don't think Julian Assange is it's really
you know a person that
that has the power to to
Change things the way people think he did. I think there's more behind that well
Interesting thing because you bring up a very good point. I think
Especially people in the hacker community and especially people who have access
To sensitive information they have an obligation now as well
to share that information if it reveals things that change the landscape and
Right now with these people and I'm talking about
people like Chris Christie and Giuliani and
of course Trump and Pence
With them getting into power. There is a treasure trove of
information leading to scandals involving every single last one of them and
We need to make sure that they get at least as much attention as Hillary Clinton got over the past few months
Because I guarantee you whatever we find on them. We'll bury them
Absolutely, and and we need to we need to basically
Work on on bringing down this government as much as we possibly can
It sounds it sounds very radical. It sounds very serious, but that's what they do in other countries
They bring down governments because they don't like them. They don't agree with them. They're bad for the people and
We can bring down this government with the truth with information and that's what we have access to
That's what Julian Assange has proven that
Whether you believe he had a significant pull in this election or not
certainly the information
played a factor and
if you have access to information and it's it's something that can
Can sway minds one way or another whether it's some
revealing surveillance
Whether it's revealing emails whether it's revealing
All kinds of cover-ups and scandals
Well, that's something that should not be hidden. It shouldn't be buried. It shouldn't be
Kept protected because we don't want to protect these people. We want to expose these people
We want to remove these people and we can't let up on that because as soon as we do they become legitimate
They become powerful. They become permanent. Yep. I agree 100%
But that also means we need to start looking at things we haven't been willing to look at and I believe
You know, Hillary Clinton is part of that club. They all are and we need to look in other areas
Where we find the representation for us
And I think another area to look at is
The younger the younger generations because they basically were left on the sidelines like their opinion
Virtually counted for nothing and many of them did not vote. So voter turnout is really important
and and the raising of awareness and overall a raising of
what I call
political intelligence in the United States
As someone who grew up in a different country
I've always been baffled how little
the American people know about their own system and
It's not necessarily an educational issue
it's more of a
Political intelligence issue like actually knowing how your political system works, which is not something that's necessarily taught in school
Well, you raise an excellent point as far as the age issue. In fact
Our friend who called up earlier from the protest is under 18
And can vote but obviously feels strongly about this and we know a number of kids from the meeting and from from Maker Faire and
Just from around the country in general who are very politically astute and very frustrated because they have no voice
But think about this
those kids will be old enough to vote in four years and
a
lot of the people that have their fear and hatred and
Prejudice. Well, they're going to become
Less relevant, let's put it that way
and
This will this will change the landscape. The landscape is changing. There is no question about that
This is a devastating blow what happened
But it can't last forever
you know and unless unless we we pass on the fear and the hatred to our kids and
It sprouts but you know when I look at at the younger generation today, I see something that was not present a
Few years ago. I see acceptance of all kinds of diversity and
not just acceptance but celebration and
That is going to continue to grow and blossom
Yeah, I think it's important for us to help interpret a lot of what what is going on because there's so many things
They just don't get they look at it. They're like, okay can't relate and they go back to their phone or whatever
so we have an important responsibility to lead and to listen, but also to
To help help with understanding. Yeah, absolutely
well, I guess I
Guess that's it for us Bernie any last words from you
I just think we got to pay attention. I agree with Al Saini that we need to raise our
Our political intelligence not individually just but our friends family members everybody in our communities
You need to be more aware of what's going on around us where we would not have been blindsided by this
I think I think ignorance is is really the fault of what happened here
absolutely, well
We're gonna be talking about this obviously for a long time to come right to us at off the hook
Oth at 2600 comm I'd like to hear your your feelings and
Opinions and ideas and just remember to
Stick together. You're not alone and we're gonna react to what happened together and there will be better days. Good night
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