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This Wednesday evening, joined tonight by Kyle. 
Hi. 
How's it going? 
Pretty good. 
Pretty good. 
Out in the Skypeland, we have Alex. 
Hello, everybody. 
Good evening. 
What part of the world are you in now, Alex? 
I'm back in Pennsylvania right now. 
Okay. 
How delightful. 
How delightful. 
We had an interesting day today. 
In fact, I think most of the country had an interesting day today because we had all kinds of emergency alerts being triggered on our phones and TV stations and radio stations. 
I believe WBAI was participating as well. 
We had a lot of fun monitoring everything that we could. 
Alex, did anything crazy happen out in Pennsylvania? 
No, not very much. 
I got the alert. 
I got the EAS system alert. 
It came in in English. 
It wasn't garbled. 
Everything seemed to work just fine, I have to say. 
Mm-hmm. 
Yeah. 
For some reason, mine came in Spanish first. 
In fact, a lot of people seem to have gotten it in Spanish before they got it in English. 
You know, I'm not really complaining or anything like that. 
I can kind of figure out that there's an emergency going on just from the tones. 
And it was a couple of minutes early as well, so that was a little surprising. 
But then at about 20 minutes after 2, I tried to tape every TV station there was using the DVR that our cable company has. 
So I was able to tape, I think, 14 different channels. 
That's when I ran out of space. 
And for the most part, stations seemed to do the same thing, basically have this banner up on top that just kind of gave the same message. 
Although what was weird was the audio message said that the time period was between 2.20 and 2.40, but the printed message said 2.20 and 2.50. 
So that seemed to be true with every channel that aired that particular phrase. 
CNN did something really weird. 
They were talking about that particular thing, and they suddenly went to commercial, like very quickly, mid-sentence. 
And by the time they got back, it was over, and they never did it. 
I don't know if cable companies were supposed to even, or cable networks were supposed to even do this, because News 12 also didn't have a test broadcast. 
You noticed this, and it was so abrupt. 
It seemed like they wanted to observe it internally but not actually air it because it was so widely known that it was a test and it was going on. 
And they just assumed, run those ads instead and evaluate it as best they can from an engineering perspective, you know? 
Yeah, there were some fun things to look for. 
Channel 13 and Channel 21, they're both owned by the same PBS affiliate. 
And they both, after the test, went to a frozen image of a different TV program that wasn't airing on either station. 
So that was kind of amusing to see that. 
Let's see, Channel 7, no, actually it wasn't Channel 7, it was Channel 9, had no audio alert whatsoever. 
I feel like I'm ratting them out, but it's true, this is what happened. 
They had their, and I got to tell you, programming in the middle of the day is so terrible on television. 
I don't watch TV in the middle of the day, but boy, it's bad. 
But Channel 9 apparently felt it wasn't bad enough to mute because they kept it going and it just had a quick blue text screen up on top and it just went over. 
No alert tones, nothing, and that's really not how the test is supposed to work. 
Channel 2, WCBS, they had a commercial on at the time the test went over. 
Apparently, they didn't feel like turning down the commercial. 
They kept the commercial up. 
So there was this collision of audio where you had the spoken voice telling you there was an emergency going on, but you also had their products being sold at full volume. 
So it was really, really sloppy on Channel 2. 
Channel 41, WX-TV in New Jersey, they aired it late, 10 minutes late, no audio alert. 
They basically just showed the banner up on top. 
It was red and it basically faded out mid-message and then came back and then faded out mid-message again. 
So that was a bit of mayhem over there, I guess. 
But for the most part, you know, everyone got their alerts and there wasn't that much panic. 
And I guess we're going to say this was a success. 
What do you think, Kyle? 
Well, they don't have to use the backup dates. 
It seemed like the test went out and the actual test was the response. 
And so sending it early kind of makes sense. 
I thought that was interesting. 
It seemed like unofficially it was sent early. 
And then the actual activity of the messages going out was pretty much done by 20 after. 
Yeah, the phone message was sent early and then the TV. 
There's a lot to tackle in one day. 
When we did this a few years ago, do you remember we gathered downstairs in the cafe and we had a bit of a party? 
All these people came. 
They all brought their phones and it was mayhem and all kinds of audio alerts, which, by the way, you're not supposed to broadcast. 
It's very difficult not to broadcast that if every single phone in the room is going off with those tones. 
But when they did that, did they also do TV and radio on the same day? 
I don't know, at the same time? 
I'm not sure they did all of it at the same. 
I think they did it at a different time. 
Alex, do you remember? 
I don't recall at what cadence they performed these, but I do remember the party that we had and it was a hell of a lot of fun. 
I remember at the time it seemed to be a big emphasis on the wireless handset aspect of it and cell carriers generally because I think maybe in various emergencies, SMS and other voice services were either intermittent or not as reliable and this system has to work. 
So it seemed like they were introducing it as those kinds of phones are so ubiquitous now. 
So maybe they are doing it in tandem with other media and broadcast mechanisms this time. 
But I don't remember as much radio and television from them. 
What's interesting, if I'm reading this correctly, I'm looking at an old news story. 
The first test took place on October 3rd, 2018. 
And today's October 4th, 2023. 
So it seems this is when they want to do it, this particular time of year, this particular time of that month. 
But what's interesting about that, 2018, five years ago, you know what also happened five years ago? 
No? 
Nobody knows? 
The last Maker Faire in New York City. 
That's what happened five years. 
I don't know if this is a coincidence, but it sure seems a bit odd that both these things happened in 2018 last. 
Yeah, Maker Faire, it was this amazing gathering that we look forward to every year. 
Every year. 
As much as we could. 
We would anticipate this, come up with new ideas even. 
And we really got into the spirit of it, mainly because of all the other groups and all the other people there visiting or presenting stuff. 
And it just became this exciting autumn tradition. 
And people would, I don't know, they would recognize what we were doing. 
We would share things that we thought would be fun for some of the visitors there. 
And it really, it was an amazing thing to watch emerge and grow and to keep up with because there were so many different cool things that people were trying out and displaying. 
And I don't know. 
It was just a great shot in the arm for us, especially after running Hope conferences sometimes. 
And it would be right after and it would be a great opportunity to get out there and share all about what we're doing and then see what is intriguing and what people are tinkering with. 
So it was in this incredible science center that basically was taken over by Maker Faire. 
They had all of this. 
We would have with vendors and lots, but we would be only a small part of something so big. 
It was just cool to have this event happen every year in New York City. 
We met so many people and it was just such a celebration of technology, of making, hacking, young people getting together and trading their science knowledge and learning so much. 
But it all came crashing to an end in, I believe, June of 2019 was when they announced that Maker Media was going out of business. 
And since then, people have been trying to figure out how to make up for this, how to do something else. 
I'm happy to say, after five years, it's time. 
It's time. 
And this weekend coming up, Maker Faire returns to New York City. 
We have with us tonight three people that are helping to make that happen. 
We have, and please speak up when I say your name so that we know that we have a connection. 
We have Elijah Horland. 
Hello. 
We have Scott Schubert. 
Greetings. 
And we have Becky Button. 
Hey there. 
How you doing? 
Actually, Becky, I want to read something that you wrote back in 2019 concerning the end of Maker Faire. 
This was on Twitter, back when it was known as Twitter, back when it served a purpose. 
Basically, you said the end of Maker Faire is by no means the end of making, but for some of us, it limits who we can connect with. 
There are a ton of people that I met because of Maker Faire who all had a very profound impact on my life. 
Some of them legit, who read my college apps. 
Yes, and that sentiment was echoed so many times in so many ways, and I think it was summed up very well there. 
Let's go to Scott to start with, because you are the chief executive officer, if I'm not mistaken, of Maker Faire Coney Island. 
And that, yes, that reveals where Maker Faire is going to be this weekend. 
But, Scott, how did you get involved in the rebirth of Maker Faire? 
Well, don't hold me to this, but I think I first heard of Maker Faire from Off the Hook in 2012. 
Wow. 
Okay. 
I did not know that. 
Yeah, and in 2013, so I went to 2012, and I just had a blast. 
It was just very exciting, and I was blown away by all the projects and the makers, and I heard Sherry Hust, you know, talking about it on your show. 
So, 2013, I had a friend from Coney Island who was doing a project at Maker Faire and was doing a full-body 3D scanner. 
His name is The Great Fredini, a.k.a. 
Fred Kahl. 
And he scanned – I was his assistant, but we scanned all of the Maker Faire crew. 
They did miniatures, and they made a chess set out of it, and that kind of started my Maker Faire love. 
But for many years, I was a helper at Maker Faire working with people on different projects. 
And when it disappeared in 2018, I was as devastated as anybody because I really looked forward to it and to all of the camaraderie and all of the learning from each other that everyone did, you know, the amazing things that were there and the way that kids were just really excited to learn about science and math and that sort of stuff without even knowing it. 
I mean, they kind of, you know, got into it without realizing it. 
But so when the opportunity came, I think, you know, Coney Island is a place that has a rich history of invention and fun kind of merged together. 
And I love Coney Island. 
I grew up in Brighton Beach in Coney Island. 
My grandfather was the lighthouse keeper there. 
So I just love the neighborhood, and I love the history of it. 
And a few of us sort of at the same time kind of came up with the idea, you know, if they do another Maker Faire, they should do one in Coney Island. 
And it slowly morphed into, well, let's do it ourselves. 
You know, let's put it together ourselves. 
Let's see if we can make this a reality. 
And that sort of turned into, oh, we are doing this. 
Okay. 
You know, and it was something that we were all kind of excited to do. 
We didn't know how it would work. 
But we, you know, I met with Sherry Huss, and I got her advice. 
She gave me a lot of great people to connect with. 
And so that's sort of how I got started. 
But just from the love of it, really. 
I definitely want to learn more about that lighthouse. 
That sounds intriguing. 
But let's talk with some of our other guests. 
Becky, you know, you're a musician. 
You're an avant-garde engineer. 
If I understand you, you grew up on a farm where you learned how to build all kinds of things. 
And you became one of the leading makers at this event. 
What does it mean to you that Maker Faire is back? 
I mean, Maker Faire is huge. 
Just having that physical space that's gathering all these people who have just spent so much time, you know, working on projects and contributing to projects and sharing their knowledge with the world. 
Just being in a space where you can interact with people like that is huge. 
You know, I think I've met many of my Maker Friends initially through Twitter. 
But I think that the magic happens when you can basically share space with people, show people your projects in person. 
There's a lot of really great ideas that get exchanged whenever you're at a Maker Faire. 
And there's a lot of fun to be had. 
I mean, we're talking about ideas. 
We're talking about all this, that, and the other. 
But it's also nice to just, like, go get a drink with somebody you know from Maker Faire. 
There's just so many interesting stories that are exchanged in this kind of place. 
And I don't know. 
It's just really beautiful to, like, to me to be able to put faces to names of people that I've read about online, their work. 
And I've just had a really great deal of respect for it for her. 
I, you know, I've been able to meet so many people that I've looked up to because of Maker Faire. 
I'm thinking about Becky Stern, Lady Ada, you know, all these people. 
It's incredible. 
And you have, I believe, a DIY software-based guitar pedal that you will be showing off at Maker Faire. 
I do. 
I do. 
I've been working with two of my friends on this project. 
I did most of the engineering for this. 
And my friend Jason Garwood has done a lot of the what we're calling experience architecting. 
And my friend Rowan Dunlop has been doing the producing for this project. 
So I'm very excited to be working on this team with such amazing people. 
Now, Elijah, you've been involved in Maker Faire for quite some time. 
You started building computers at age nine, I believe. 
And people might know you from Mythbusters Jr. 
How did you get involved in this incarnation? 
So with Maker Faire, I've actually I wouldn't have gotten on to Mythbusters Jr. 
If it weren't for Maker Faire. 
But I started off with I signed up to be part of the 2016 New York Maker Faire street team, you know, putting up posters to get a free ticket in. 
And just my first year there, I met so many like it. 
I met so many people who would change my life like forever. 
Like I said, the whole Mythbusters Jr. 
thing, I wouldn't have gone on Twitter or now X, you know. 
Well, we don't have to say that. 
Yeah. 
Yeah, I'd prefer not to mention what's happened to it. 
But, yeah, I wouldn't have gone on Twitter initially if it weren't for one of the people working in the Vellman booths at the 2016 New York City Maker Faire. 
And if that never happened, I would have never met like any of my online friends, one of which is Allie Weber, who told me about the Mythbusters Jr. 
auditions. 
So, I have like a lot to thank for Maker Faire. 
It's also just like a great place in terms of like sharing, like getting, sorry, getting inspiration from other projects. 
Like, Becky, your wearable sandal, the Wi-Fi, sorry, can you describe it? 
Wi-Fi de-offing? 
Yeah, Wi-Fi de-offing sandals. 
Those were so crazy and they like, it was my first introduction to the sort of like semi-malicious, not really malicious, like, you know. 
Well, if I understand, this is a sandal that kicks people off Wi-Fi. 
Do I have that right? 
I'm calling it an educational tool just before we say anything crazy on air. 
It's an educational tool, but it is a sandal with a piece of hardware in it that sends the encryption packets to an access point. 
And it's to teach people about vulnerabilities in access points and the importance of, you know, making sure your things are up to date because there's security vulnerabilities. 
But yes. 
Fascinating. 
Wow. 
Elijah, go ahead. 
And, oh, yeah, from there, I just, after it was announced that the New York City Maker Faire wouldn't be happening anymore, I was devastated, just like the rest of you. 
But that night I had gone to, or it was either that night or somewhere very close to it, I had gone and seen fireworks at Coney Island and I had passed by some big lots of empty space. 
And I thought, hey, why don't we just put the Maker Faire here? 
And then COVID happened and it put a little bit of a dent in my planning. 
But then I got right back around to it when COVID ended and I got the, you know, I started speaking with Make, I got some locations, I got the license to run the Maker Faire. 
And we're here. 
And we're here. 
Everything's really snowballed since everything opened back up. 
Well, one thing, though, one very important thing. 
Did you watch Mr. 
Robot? 
Okay, I started watching Mr. 
Robot, I loved it, and then I realized I did not have enough time because I, during my everything, you know, planning, doing stuff for Coney Island Maker Faire, doing stuff for school, I realized I may have chosen the wrong major. 
And so I might want to put more time into thinking about switching. 
So it's really a time thing. 
Do you mind if I delay graduation, finish Mr. 
Robot, because that's important. 
And it's, in fact, there's a Mr. 
Robot quote on the Maker Faire page. 
What if changing the world was just about being here by showing up no matter how many times we get told we don't belong? 
From Elliot Alderson and Mr. 
Robot. 
And for those who don't know, a large part of that series about hacking takes place right there on Coney Island, and I imagine there'll be several pilgrimages to that exact location where they did their hacking misdeeds. 
But, Scott, I want to ask you, as the CEO, you're pretty much familiar with the various challenges and the day-to-day operations of running something like this. 
You know, I think many of us in the past, we saw Maker Faire, we saw 100,000 people showing up in Queens, and nobody thought something like that could fail, and it did. 
Have lessons been learned? 
Is there a way that we can ensure that this doesn't fall victim to something like that in the future? 
Yeah, I think it's kind of interesting because we're doing the old adage of building the airplane while you're flying it, right? 
This is our first year doing it. 
We're definitely learning as we go, and we were, you know, like I said, I spoke with Sherry Huss to say, like, what do we need to do right and what do we need, you know, to avoid? 
And ask people that have been there before and just really get some good advice. 
That helps a lot. 
But the other thing is, I think part of the problem with Maker Faire traditionally, because, you know, I was a helper for God knows how long, but is that I think part of it was that it grew too large, or it grew too large too quickly. 
It was almost a gigantic endeavor that took a lot of great, amazing people to run and, you know, had so many crazy things that were great to see. 
But I can't imagine something of that size in 2018 and the work that would have to go into it. 
But, you know, we're starting – I can't say we're starting small because we're not really – we, you know, we're makers. 
We're makers, hackers, and we love – we want to kind of add in as much as we can, right? 
People come to us and they say they want to be involved and they want to join and they want to show off their stuff, and we say, of course. 
You know, like it's very hard to say no to anyone, so we just try to find the space. 
We try to make it work and hold it together with duct tape. 
But, you know, one of the things that we are looking at is, you know, utilizing the location as well as possible. 
We are going to be located in the Cone Island Amphitheater, which is by – down on the boardwalk by the Parachute Jump. 
And the good thing is they do concerts all the time. 
They've had, you know, Foo Fighters and a lot of famous bands play there. 
So they're very experienced. 
So we told them, you know, whatever your advice is for us, let us know. 
We want to follow the rules. 
We want to, you know, make sure everything goes smoothly. 
And the other thing that is sort of on our side, which, you know, may have been a challenge with the original Maker Faire, is that we're all from the area. 
So we all kind of know the area. 
We know Brooklyn. 
We know New York. 
You know, I think Elijah and his dad and I all got connected originally because they came to Cone Island and they were talking to the unofficial mayor of Cone Island, Dick Zigen, who is kind of the man that knows everyone over there, and he is a friend of mine. 
And he said, oh, you're interested in Maker Faire. 
I have a friend who has done Maker Faire. 
You know, you should talk to Scott. 
And that's sort of how we got connected. 
But having those connections on the ground really help us. 
You know, the people that run the Mermaid Parade in Cone Island every year, as well as people that were volunteers at the former Maker Faire. 
So people that know what they're doing, people that do these events, you know, even Hope, even the Hope Conference, which I've gone to many times, sort of taking best practices, whatever we could learn from that. 
So really just trying to make the most of people's knowledge and also taking advantage of being locals, I think, has helped a lot. 
Absolutely, yes. 
And Cone Island is definitely a magical community. 
If people listening have not been there, it's certainly one of the places in New York that everyone has to go to numerous times. 
I think very easy to get to. 
A lot of subway lines terminate in Cone Island. 
Once people get there, is it fairly easy to navigate from one part of Maker Faire to another? 
Yes. 
So the primary location is going to be the Cone Island Amphitheater. 
And what we are going to do is have very easy-to-follow instructions when you get out of the subway or if you take, you know, a car. 
We hope people take public transportation because it is so abundant over there and it is so easy. 
You don't have to worry about parking, obviously. 
But, you know, one of the things that helps us is we have the parachute jump over there, the giant red sculpture that used to be used for Army training and then was a ride. 
But it's easy to spot from almost all of the area. 
Giant sky beacon. 
Just go look for that. 
Yep. 
Exactly. 
The Eiffel Tower of Brooklyn, it's referred to. 
So that helps us a lot because we can just kind of point people in that direction and then lead them from there. 
What we're also looking to do is have plenty of signage, plenty of information and things along the way. 
We are working with a lot of local businesses and local communities to see, you know, if they'll let us put up signs, let us, you know, have helpers along the way, have tents and that sort of thing. 
So we're going to try and make it as easy as possible and get the information out as easily as possible and have it on our website, too, Coney Island Maker Faire dot com. 
Becky, it sounds like you have something to say. 
I'm sorry, I misread. 
But a question, will people be on the beach? 
Will they be making use of all the space there as well? 
We can't officially say that they'll be on the beach, but I'm sure there will be many makers taking advantage of it, especially potentially the first robotics teams and the other robot teams and drone teams. 
You know, it's kind of funny because obviously we there are certain rules with drones and and robots and that sort of thing. 
So having them in the venue is one thing. 
But I'm sure we'll have a lot of makers that want to take advantage of the beach for their photo ops and for some of their, you know, playing with their creations and science. 
What you can do on the boardwalk with robots. 
I just I can't even imagine how much fun that can be. 
Yeah, we can't wait. 
I mean, that's part of the fun, too, is like we want to see what people do, too. 
You know, like I'm hoping I'm not working the whole time. 
I want to wander around a robot race from Coney Island to Brighton Beach. 
What do you think about that on the boardwalk? 
Huh? 
That could be dangerous. 
Yeah, I don't know about that. 
But yeah, so it's the imagination is just boggling at what's possible here. 
So, OK, let's say somebody is listening. 
I have absolutely no technical background whatsoever. 
And they're considering going to this thing over the weekend. 
And we'll get into specifics about hours and things like that. 
What is it that somebody without that technical knowledge, somebody who's not actually building something themselves, what can they get out of this event? 
Maker Faire has no minimum level of entry in terms of technical knowledge. 
I'm actually going to be doing a learn to solder booth, which has a very simple just PCB and button battery soldering kit. 
So it's literally any level of technical knowledge is welcome here. 
But, you know, if you really are in the if you really do not know a lot about computers and such, Maker Faire is a great place to start. 
I mean, I started going to Maker Faire when I was very young, and I know for a fact that I would not know as much as I do now if I didn't, you know, just go. 
Alex, did you have something? 
Sure. 
I want to ask about, you know, the focus on kids at Maker Faire. 
I can't believe it has been five years since the last one. 
And one of my fondest memories of the last Maker Faire was walking around with my then five-year-old, or six-year-old, I guess, at this point. 
And he saw essentially a replica of R2-D2, and he believed that it was the real R2-D2 at that point, and was so incredibly awestruck that R2-D2 was at the Maker Faire. 
And he kept going on and on about it. 
And as we were walking back to the subway to go back to Manhattan, he was telling me, you know, Dad, I cannot believe that R2-D2 was there today. 
That was the coolest thing, and he said to me, and I'll never forget that he says, you know, Dad, you know he's a real hero? 
He's an actual hero? 
So I thought that was just one of these magical moments that I think he'll never forget, and I'll never forget. 
I think there's a lot of those at Maker Faire. 
So tell me more about the kids' aspect. 
The kids' aspect, they will be, if they don't currently have, like, an understanding of any computers, they will be just amazed by what they see. 
I think we have a 10-foot-tall flamethrower trumpets showing up, and that's something you couldn't see anywhere else but a Maker Faire. 
So there will definitely be those magical moments for everyone of all ages. 
If I'm being honest, I'd be entertained by 10-foot-tall flamethrowing trumpets. 
I wish I could just watch them. 
My niece is 8, and I'm excited. 
This will be – she was too young in 2018, and so this will be her first Maker Faire. 
She really wants to help, which will be kind of funny because, you know, she wants me to put her to work, and then she'll be too distracted for that, basically, I think. 
But it's one of those great events where I think, you know, part of the fun, even as a helper with Maker Faire, is seeing the kids get interested in this stuff. 
And because there's such a variety of makers, right, makers come in all shapes and sizes. 
Makers can be artists. 
They can be musicians. 
They can be robot builders or they can be crafters, you know, food creators. 
There's always something to really catch the imagination and inspire the next generation. 
And that's sort of the funny thing, like even with Alex, you know, same thing with me. 
I can't believe it's been five years and these kids are growing up so fast. 
But there's always a next generation that comes in and gets inspired by this stuff. 
And their parents, you know, take them to see what this is all about and kind of get that spark. 
And one of the best parts of Maker Faire is that you do go, if you do go, you know, year after year, you'll see people that, you know, maybe their kids came and the kids the next year have their own project and they want to show it off. 
And people come back and are inspired by each other. 
And so that's part of the reason, I think, that Maker Faire is so popular, because people realize that even if you're not, you know, you're new to these things, you can still learn and you can still create something and you can show it off and you can learn from one another and make it better. 
And so it's it's a ever, ever changing, ever improving kind of entity. 
And that's why I think we felt so, so upset about it when it was gone. 
So, Elijah, you mentioned you're doing a soldering workshop, I believe. 
Yes, I'm doing a soldering workshop. 
I'm teaching anyone of any age to learn how to solder. 
That's great. 
It's an important skill. 
It really is. 
It really is. 
I've had multiple times where I've bought like crappy USB lights off of Amazon and, you know, the USB cable tears. 
It's just really nice to know how to solder that back on instead of throwing the whole thing away. 
If you're listening to this and you do not have a soldering gun in your home or a soldering pen, you're listening out. 
Alex, you're talking on the phone and on the air at the same time. 
Okay. 
Yes. 
So I wanted to ask if you guys work with schools at all. 
Yes, Lincoln High School. 
We're partnering with their drone team. 
There's going to be some events happening in the ballpark, I believe, on Friday. 
Cool. 
That's amazing. 
As much as that is possible is really exciting. 
It's one of the reasons I think we got so interested because a lot of hackers are becoming parents and the ability to have all kinds of stuff, all kinds of activities to really get people engaged and share that excitement across generations in that spot is excellent. 
Yeah, definitely. 
It also helps pull in a lot of the, you know, the modern Brooklyn culture. 
I mean, where else are you going to find the most authentic culture than with high schoolers, you know? 
Yeah, I mean, I was thinking not only high schoolers, but, you know, Maker Faire's in the past. 
You see kids really young. 
I mean, Alex had his five-year-old there, and you see kids younger than that who are really into the technology and know quite a few things. 
In fact, soldering is one of the things they seem to be drawn towards because they're much more nimble with their fingers. 
They're able to do things that adults can't. 
Oh, yes, that dexterity and everything. 
And I would say that seeing students and young people working with this kind of stuff, lights, and all of the kind of cool stuff got me interested because I was like, well, I never had an opportunity. 
We didn't have the same kind of hobbies, and our electronics classes were a little different. 
It involved, like, etching things, and it was a little more cumbersome. 
So I got into, re-ignited my interest, and I think so many people, they might not be aware of how amazing an experience I can be to kind of have a little bit of jealousy, like, oh, man, you know? 
But then realize, wow, this is for everyone, and I can dive in just the same as anyone else. 
And we're all kind of meeting our own interests and skill levels where they are and trying to help everybody out. 
What I was getting at, though, when I was asking Elijah about soldering workshops, I was wondering, are there going to be lockpicking workshops as well? 
Yes, so we have the organization Girls Who Hack, and they are going to be talking about different things. 
They promote hacking in general and the various aspects of it, but they will be also talking about and teaching lockpicking. 
They want to get the word out that, you know, girls and women can be hackers too and technology people too, and it's a great organization. 
They're working to get more equality in STEM and STEAM areas and fields, you know, that were traditionally dominated by men, and so that's one good way to do it. 
I think, especially with young people and kids, if they can see someone that looks like them or if they can see someone doing something that they can see themselves in, then they'll go out and do it, you know? 
So it's a great organization at the same time, but yes, definitely a lockpicking extravaganza, and, you know, we have to make sure we have good locks on all our stuff around, so it's, you know, so we're prepared for the graduates of these classes. 
On the less technical and, you know, complicated task side, we have the paper crafts and puppet-making tables if you are interested in physical crafts. 
Yeah, definitely, definitely. 
I remember that from the old maker fairs, people doing things like that with crafting and all. 
That's fascinating. 
Becky, I wanted to ask you, since you come from a different environment, you know, growing up on a farm, how do you think people out there in similar environments can get drawn into the communities of makers and hackers and crafters and all that? 
Well, I guess when I was living back home, right now I'm in Pittsburgh, when I was living back home in Milford, Virginia, I think the biggest barrier to entry at the time was just the fact that we couldn't have internet access. 
When I was going through high school and all that, like, you could not get, you could barely get a satellite signal, they throttled you after you used, like, a gig or two. 
You'd have to, like, if you wanted to use it, there was an open time around, like, from, like, 3 to 5 a.m. 
that you could do whatever you wanted. 
And I think that at that point in time, the biggest barrier was internet. 
Now there's been a lot of changes, now Starlink's out, where I live, my folks back home have it. 
I think the big thing now is just, I think it's more of, like, a school system thing, like, just making sure that the schools have, you know, resources needed, whether that's teachers, whether that's money, to fund these programs and give these kids opportunities to learn these skills. 
Is that something you think is moving in a positive direction? 
Is there more access these days? 
Are schools supportive of the kinds of things that Maker Faire does? 
I think, generally speaking, so. 
You know, me and my brother used to run workshops centered around learning and teaching these, you know, how to use an Arduino skills. 
I think that the biggest gap is really, like, a people gap, just, like, making sure that there's people in these places that have this information. 
I think it is moving generally in this direction, but I think that there's a lot of work to be done in rural communities because there's just not as many people, you know, going off getting electrical engineering degrees and then coming back to rural America, you know. 
Yeah, it's a shame. 
That's a shame. 
I wish they would more. 
Wow. 
So let's get to specifics. 
When does it start? 
Where do people go exactly? 
Anything else you think people should know? 
Scott, I'll give this to you. 
Sure. 
So it's going to be Friday through Sunday, October 6th through the 8th, and it is from 1030 a.m. 
to 5 p.m. 
So the weekday is harder for some people. 
Obviously, you're welcome to come on the weekend or during the week. 
And tickets are on sale at ConeyIslandMakerFair.org. 
Fair is spelled with an E at the end. 
I know that's one of the things that's troubled people in the past. 
And you can get tickets there. 
You can get more information there. 
But it's basically going to be this weekend. 
It's going to be all weekend, rain or shine. 
The Coney Island Amphitheater, where we are having it, is completely enclosed and covered. 
So we will be fine. 
We will just stay away from the edges just in case if Saturday we have a little bit of rain. 
You know, the one that was in Queens was kind of in – it was in the Hall of Science, but it was really outside, around the Hall of Science. 
So if it rained, you were out of luck unless you were in the building. 
So I think we'll be in better shape, definitely, as far as that goes. 
The other thing is we have a couple of special programs for teachers and educators. 
We have classes that they can get credit from the Department of Education on Friday if they sign up. 
That is also on the website. 
And on Sunday, we are going to have our drone and robot competitions at the nearby Maimonides Ballpark, which is the home of the Brooklyn Cyclones minor league baseball team. 
Oh, wow. 
We actually were very lucky. 
There's a woman that works there named Courtney. 
Thank you, Courtney. 
She has been awesome helping us. 
And she is a first robotics veteran. 
So she was very excited, maybe more excited than we were, when they decided to say yes and greenlight our project. 
So Sunday is going to be all of our drone and robot competitions there. 
We will have drones and robots the rest of the weekend, but all the competition stuff will be on Sunday. 
So that's ConanIslandMakerFair.org, and fair has an E at the end. 
Now, I believe Friday wasn't initially open to the public, and now it is. 
Is that true? 
That's right, yes. 
So that's a special thing that we're doing. 
Because of the weather kind of on Saturday, we figured why not just open it up? 
We're going to have all the makers and people setting up on Friday anyway. 
So come on down if you're interested, and we're going to have a special deal on Friday. 
And if you check out the website, you can see it's going to be – I think it's almost – it's maybe half price, but it's a special deal to get people down. 
Obviously, people are working or in school, but if you can make it, we'd love to have you, and then you can come enjoy the nice sunshine. 
I want to ask all of you this in regards to Maker Faire, its future and all that. 
What's on your wish list? 
What do you want to see? 
I'm hoping to see just a transformation of what Maker Faire New York is this year at least. 
Last – you know, the last Maker Faires I felt in New York City kind of felt more like they were airdropping the West Coast Fair over here. 
It was more Maker Faire New York and not really New York Maker Faire. 
So I'm hoping to see more New York culture injected into this one. 
Well, being in Coney Island, there's definitely a good start to accomplishing that. 
Yeah, I'm hoping that – you know, I was a fan, and I did watch all of Mr. 
Robot, so we would love to incorporate that. 
We didn't have time to really incorporate the Eldorado Arcade, which is over there, and that's where they filmed a lot of the show and also built a soundstage that looked exactly like it. 
But in general, one of the things that I was really interested in doing, and hopefully we pull off, is incorporating the variety of makers, you know, focusing on different types of makers. 
And, you know, food makers, beverage makers, artists, crafters, people that aren't just in electronics, you know, as much as I love electronics. 
And really getting involved people from different backgrounds, representing the, you know, beautiful diversity that we have in New York and Brooklyn, and really being representative of everyone that is kind of here and opening it up, you know. 
And that's why I said it's hard to say no, but we hope it also continues and we can grow and basically just rebuild a family, I think, over here of New York Maker Faire. 
Awesome. 
Becky? 
I mean, I think my desires for Maker Faire are pretty simple. 
I think it's always been about just, like, seeing the cool technology out there, and by technology, I also mean weaving. 
Like, I think anything where there's a great amount of skill and dedication to, you know, perfecting the craft, I want to learn from these people, and I want to see people's projects. 
I want people to look at my work and ask me questions and question why I've made certain decisions, because I think that it's a really beautiful, like, feedback cycle to go into Maker Faire, Coney Island, when you've made something that you think other makers would like, to, you know, kind of learn from the people that you want to make things for and with. 
Yeah, I just want to see cool projects. 
Like, I think that's really all I want from Coney Island Maker Faire. 
And I think we've done – I think it's happening. 
It's done, you know? 
Well, that's kind of related to what I wanted to ask you next. 
You've been working at this for a while, all three of you, along with many others. 
Is the response what you expected? 
Did anything surprise you? 
I think the response has been great. 
We had a lot of people that were kind of interested early on and wrote to us and said, you know, when is it? 
Where do I go? 
And we had to tell them, you know, we just started, we don't have tickets on sale, we don't have a venue and all these things. 
So we had to work through all of that, obviously. 
But we had – we really did have a great response. 
We sent out a call for volunteers early on, and we had a lot of people show up at an event we had in person and raise their hand and say, you know, what can we do? 
And we didn't have too much, you know, in the beginning for people to do yet, but it was great to know that we had that community and we could reach out to them, you know, for when the time comes, obviously for now. 
But, you know, it was a great response. 
I think one of the things that's been sort of interesting but a challenge is some people don't realize it's back, you know, and that's why we're trying to get the word out. 
But that's always going to be, I think, the challenge with doing it the first year. 
You know, once you sort of get the momentum going, people say, okay, so when's the next one? 
When's the next one? 
And so I think it'll be great. 
We have had a good response from people. 
I think people are excited. 
I know we're excited. 
And so hopefully this helps get the word out some more. 
You know, in a weird way, having a COVID occur when it did, I think it would have resulted in Maker Faire not happening in that same period of time. 
And we'd be talking about it coming back in a different way now. 
But I think, especially speaking to what Elijah said about it not having a true New York flair to it, I think this enables you guys to start cleanly and do something that really speaks to what New York is all about, and especially Brooklyn, which is so awesome to be doing it there, especially in a place like Coney Island. 
So it is an incredible opportunity. 
And like you were saying, Scott, the first one is the toughest. 
And if we can all get over that particular challenge, I think there'll be a lot of support ahead. 
Now, Alex, I think you had something? 
Yeah, I wanted to echo this sentiment about the return of Maker Faire here. 
And I know you and Kyle, more than anybody possibly on this planet, will agree with this, that it's a tremendous amount of work to put on a conference. 
I mean, you've been doing hope since 1994, Emmanuel. 
Yeah, we're recovering from 2004. 
So we have a lot more to recover from after that. 
Event planning is not for the faint of heart. 
No, no. 
It's a steep endeavor. 
That's my point, is that it's literally a miracle that hope keeps going on like this. 
So the fact that you guys were all able to resurrect Maker Faire essentially from the dead here, I think it's just a wonderful accomplishment. 
I think it's going to be so meaningful, not just to yourselves, but to all the participants, the generations of people that are going to be going there. 
It's going to make such an impact in their lives. 
And I just wanted to say you should be proud of yourselves and very well done. 
Yes. 
And we'll probably say the same thing next week, too, after. 
Actually, we're not on next week, so we'll say it in two weeks. 
But we're going to try and make an appearance either Saturday or Sunday by driving the 2600 van into Coney Island. 
And hopefully it starts and we'll see what happens. 
The van! 
Yeah, the van. 
It still lives. 
I remember. 
Yeah, you guys still care. 
I met you guys in 2016, my first Maker Faire. 
Oh, wow. 
Okay. 
Wow. 
Yeah. 
Sorry. 
I was thinking that happened in 2017, but you just jogged my memory with the van. 
Yes. 
Well, hopefully we'll inspire all kinds of other reactions if we're able to actually make it out there. 
We've been speaking with Elijah Horland, Scott Schubert, Becky Button, all of the upcoming Maker Faire this weekend at Coney Island. 
Scott, can you give us those websites and contact information one more time? 
Sure. 
So our website is ConeyIslandMakerFaire.com, and Maker Faire is spelled with an E at the end. 
So it's Coney Island Maker Faire. 
Make sure you put the E at the end, .com. 
It's Friday through Sunday, so Friday, October 6th through the 8th from 1030 a.m. 
to 5 p.m. 
And I just want to say come on out. 
Have a great time. 
And, you know, the other thing that people may not realize is the rides are going to be open, the food's going to be out, you know, people are still going to be having a good time. 
So it's not just Maker Faire over there. 
There's going to be a lot to do, a lot of food to eat, a lot of fun stuff to do, and good rides to go on. 
So come have a good time this weekend. 
Okay, and hopefully you three can join us for Overtime starting in a few minutes over on YouTube, Channel 2600. 
And hopefully we see you all starting this weekend for the reincarnation of Maker Faire at Coney Island. 
Hey, our friend Don Letts, who does the intro for Off the Hook, much worse, has just put out an album, and we have a track from it. 
It features John Cusack, and yes, of all people, the universe knows what you've done. 
Something a lot of us should keep in mind. 
OTH at 2600.com. 
We'll see you in two weeks. 
Good night. 


And welcome everybody on YouTube as we begin Off the Hook Overtime, an extension of the
program that hopefully you just heard on WBAI.
Kyle, did you make it into Overtime okay?
I made it.
Okay, Alex?
Alex, are you there?
Okay, good.
And our three guests are all here as well.
Elijah, Scott, and Becky, welcome to Overtime.
Thank you.
You know, it's really something that you guys are doing this, and I sure hope that it gets
a lot of attention.
Have you gotten much media coverage?
We have gotten some good media coverage.
We have a lot of people that are interested in, you know, the fair and want to come see
all the cool stuff and, like, show it live on camera, which is always hard because it's
like, well, we would love to have that coverage now so we can make sure people get the word
out.
Right, right.
It doesn't help you much afterwards.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, during the event, it'll be great.
We're still going to take it.
It's still going to be great.
People will see it, you know, maybe come the next day or come that afternoon or whatever,
but it's definitely better to have coverage now.
We have definitely had some good coverage.
There are a couple of articles and different people talking about it.
We got on Brooklyn 12, News 12 Brooklyn, which was great.
You know, so there's been some good coverage recently, and I think it's kind of jumping,
you know, this week, obviously.
Uh-huh.
Now, is there a Maker Faire network again, the way it used to be?
Because there's Maker Faires all over the place, Mini Maker Faires mostly, but I understand
there are a couple more.
West Coast is coming back, I believe.
Yeah, Make is reopening the Big West Coast Fair, and they've actually stopped calling
them by Mini Maker Faires and, like, whatever the other names were.
They're now just Maker Faires.
Okay.
Like, licensed fairs.
Uh-huh.
Yeah, because it was the Long Island Maker Faire, I think, is where I learned about the Coney
Island Maker Faire, which is great.
Yeah, there's still, like, a small network of, like, you know, I'm sure the people who
host Maker Faires that are fairly close to each other know each other.
Like, I've spoken with the people who host the Long Island Maker Faire, along with other,
like, nearby ones.
Mm-hmm.
And I guess that leads into another question I had.
If there are people listening who would love to come to this but just can't because they're
far away or aren't able to travel, but they want to start something like this where they
are, do you have any advice for them?
Yeah.
I think you can.
First of all, you can definitely do it.
You know, I think you'll, if you're, depending on what you're looking to do, you know, be
realistic.
Look at your local area.
Find out if there's an educational or museum facility that would love to partner with you
and you can use as a venue, you know, make contact with the area that you know and love
and that way you can really make the most of it.
You know, reach out to, if you're looking to do a Maker Faire specifically, reach out
to make, and they do have a link online, you know, how to start a Maker Faire in your area
and that's basically the process, you know, document.
But advice-wise, I would say, make sure you start with your local area.
You know, look to partner with a good organization or a good venue, something like that, possibly
an educational facility or a museum facility, something where they have the space, you know,
to host makers.
They may have tables already they can lend you.
They may have some stuff that you can use, electrical hookups and things like that.
So that always makes it easier.
And, you know, one of the advantages to Coney Island that we love is obviously you have food
around.
You have places where you can, you know, relax.
You can sit down and eat the food that you got.
You have, you know, a lot of availability for things.
There's good transportation.
So just try and imagine yourself when you are there as an attendant and how you would
get there, how you would get home, what you would do if there's rain and that sort of
thing.
And really just picture it and sort of plan ahead if you can, you know, at least use your
imagination.
Yeah, I don't think rain would be an issue.
I'd be more concerned with wind from the ocean.
But I think, you know, you're protected enough with the venues that you secured where even
that won't be an issue at all.
And it's just basically a question of how well Maker Faire meshes with the community around
it.
And I see the Coney Island community as being very open to all kinds of weirdness.
And, you know, I've seen all sorts of mermaid parades and festivals and things like that.
It's one of the beacons of New York City.
But I'm curious, it's perfect, I think, for something like Maker Faire.
Was it the first place that you guys looked at?
Was it something that you knew from the beginning this was what you wanted or what others considered?
Did you try, you know, the Hall of Science again or anything like that?
When I saw the open spots near Coney Island, I knew that Coney Island was the location we
would want to host Maker Faire.
It was our first choice and it's still, you know, it's where we're hosting it now.
But both me and Scott also have a pretty deep history with Coney Island.
I've been going to see their fireworks shows every Friday of the summer since, I think,
ever since I can remember, I know that much.
Yeah, definitely.
Oh, you were speaking about how Coney Island is just culturally the right place to hold
a Maker Faire.
And not only is it just like full of unique culture, it's also full of maker culture.
You know, there's some deep history with car stuff.
But I think one of the more grim but my favorite examples is when baby incubators were being first
developed.
They weren't an extremely serious medical tool at first, so you could pay at Coney Island
to see a freak show of still developing, you know, fetuses.
Wow.
That is a dark bit of history there.
But it's definitely history nonetheless.
And I do remember the advertisements for the freak shows there, which was hard to believe,
but true.
Scott, did you have something else?
Yeah, no, it's actually funny because that's one of the stories that's pretty interesting.
It was a man named Dr.
County, I think is how you pronounce his name.
But he was actually trying to get the medical establishment to accept prenatal care and basically
to take care of premature babies with technology.
And they wouldn't really accept it.
They thought it was very strange, you know.
So what he did was he actually showed off his infant incubators in different places and
ended up in Coney Island.
And his technology actually not only was shown in Coney Island and became accepted in the
medical community, but saved thousands of babies' lives that otherwise the babies might
have passed away.
So it's actually kind of an interesting part of the history of Coney Island when it comes
to invention and innovation.
And that's one of the things I think that is interesting to me about it.
It's a place where if you look deep enough into it, it's not necessarily just things like
roller coasters.
You know, it was the first roller coaster, Thompson's Switchback Railway.
And it was also the first enclosed amusement park with Sea Lion Park.
But it has a rich history with a lot of people trying to invent things.
You know, in the early days of rides and Coney Island and amusements, there wasn't a lot of
safety regulation.
And there probably should have been.
But at the time, because of that, there were a lot of people trying to one-up each other.
So people trying to come up with a scarier roller coaster or, you know, a ride that was
more exciting or a ride where you could, you know, do something you've never done before.
And it was also one of the places where men and women could be seen in public together
and hold hands or go on a ride together and maybe they brush up against each other or something.
So it was a place where it also became sort of accepted to let yourself loose a little
bit.
You know, this was the time of going to the beach in a wool bathing suit or a full suit.
So it wasn't exactly a comfortable, you know, fun atmosphere like it is today.
But people were looking for Coney Island to sort of merge technology and fun and let themselves,
you know, be free a little bit.
And so it's one of those places, I think, that has a big magic about it.
Not a lot of people really go down there sometimes.
So it's also a good way to get people into Brooklyn, to get people to really see and experience
something awesome, but they might not have otherwise seen.
It's that link to history.
And if you have grandparents in the area, they have stories about Coney Island.
So there's no question about that.
One question, is the amusement park going to be open during all this?
Yes.
All of the amusements are open.
Most of them now have the city sort of as their landlord, and they are open pretty much through
the end of October, at least.
So they'll all be open.
They're excited.
We told them we want to send people their way.
And, you know, if they can, send people our way.
And it'll be great.
It's always great when we have an event or we're hanging out there and you can hear the
roller coasters going in the background.
And, you know, the not terrified, but sort of terrified screams as they go by, you know,
enjoying themselves.
Well, I remember the screams from the Ferris wheel.
I think it's called the Wonder Wheel.
You know, when I got on that thing, I didn't realize that the car has moved.
I thought it was stationary like a normal Ferris wheel.
But now they go hurtling down like a roller coaster.
And yeah, so you'll hear some screams from there as well.
Becky, I wanted to ask you, because you're somebody who builds things.
And I was wondering if you have any kind of feelings towards the right to repair movement.
And I guess something that, you know, many people in the maker movement also would feel
an allegiance to, but basically the right to repair your own stuff and not simply throw
everything away or have it leased to some company and have them do all the work.
Oh, my gosh.
I'm glad you're bringing this up because I feel very strongly that you can't really understand
anything unless you, A, made it yourself, or B, you can take it apart and put it back
together with your eyes closed.
I think that, like, a lot of the ways the world operates in terms of, like, making things
really quickly and not making things to be serviced is just, like, this might be a hot take, but
I think it's making us dumber as a society.
Oh, it is.
It is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, nobody knows how to fix anything.
Nobody knows how to, you know, deal with their cars anymore.
Like, all these things, I think, are really important because I kind of have, like, this
feeling of the only person I trust to fix anything is myself.
And I think, like, I think the maker movement is very much aligned with just, like, preserving
your agency as much as possible through the pursuit of knowledge, and I think that that's
wonderful.
Absolutely, that sense of technological self-reliance, and then sharing and repeating the process
and trying to get evangelized, get other people aware of how important it is.
But just automobiles, I think of this old book that one of my grandparents had that described
all of the different types of physics and science involved in just that type of machine.
And there's so many other things.
I was talking during our break about a friend we have that's a builder that was really excited
about some of the things people were presenting at a Maker Faire about construction techniques
and artisan, like, woodworking.
And there's been a lot of cool automating with, like, CNC mills and just crazy amalgamations,
I think, of sort of old tech and new tech and people breathing sort of new excitement into
that achieving of skills, even if it's for just, like, knitting a scarf or something, you
know, something seemingly mundane but has all these nuances and tools and techniques that
are at play.
And it really does, I think, I agree, and I think a lot of people would hear this, is it's
great for your mind and problem solving and overall knowledge.
And not just that, I think another thing is, specifically, I'm coming from the background
of, like, I care about old-timey ways of making music.
You know, a lot of these musical qualities that we really love about, like, analog circuitry,
the only way we're going to be able to preserve them in the long run is if somebody knows how
to fix it.
You know, like, these things, they're, you know, some of these scents that were made
in, like, the 60s and 70s, like, we have to be able to fix these things when, like, wires
come loose or, like, or, you know, jacks get loose over periods of time.
And part of the problem with keeping these things alive, though, is just that some people
don't make the parts anymore.
So it kind of gets into this different hole of, oh, my gosh, you know, some things don't
work forever, and we have to be able to solve problems around this and find substitutions,
I guess, as things change.
It's really quite complicated, I think.
Well, that's what 3D printers are for, to start making those things that are no longer
made.
Yeah, you joke, but I'm hearing parallels with automobile restoration.
There's, you know, things become hard to find, but things like 3D printing can help, also
3D scanning and stuff.
Go ahead, Alex.
Yeah, building on one of the other points that Becky made, this notion or this phenomenon
of technology making people dumber, right?
You know, smartphones in the hands of dumb people, essentially.
Just imagine how much more of the same but to a different degree we're going to be talking about
this, let's say, 5, 10 years from now with respect to generative artificial intelligence.
You know, we no longer need to even organize our own thoughts for ourselves, you know, or
deal with our calendars and things like that.
Just like very basic human things that we do are going to be potentially taken over.
I mean, the idea of memorizing a phone number now, I mean, it sounds crazy, right?
And it's become very difficult for people to memorize numbers because we just don't have
to do it anymore because our phones have memory, which is a huge thing.
It used to be all in our brains.
Which leads me then to a question for Scott, or really for all of you, is do you know if
there's going to be any artificial intelligence related stuff going on at Maker Faire this
weekend?
We do have some AI related items.
There are, one of the things that's kind of interesting is that there are some projects,
I think, that are mostly not related to AI, but incorporate a couple of different minor elements.
For example, I think Wordplay might have some of that, some of the things that people are
interacting with as far as the AI goes.
The projects still take human input, the same way ChatGPT and things like that do require
a prompt or, you know, some sort of human input, but it's pretty interesting that, you know,
that's the big topic now.
And I think it's almost interesting that a lot of makers, it seem like, don't want to
delve into it too much as far as the projects they're presenting go, just because I think
a lot of people are apprehensive about it now, at least in the maker community, you know,
with having AI replace people or, you know, take over certain areas, creative areas like
artistry, obviously, you know, if you can just generate an image in a minute, then what
do you need to pay an artist for, you know?
So it's kind of an interesting thing in the maker community.
Obviously, artists are makers, musicians are makers.
None of them want to be replaced by AI technology.
Um, so it's kind of, I think it's one of the things that a lot of the maker, um, the
makerspace right now is questioning and deciding if it's something they want to embrace or something
that they want to start looking at ways to limit.
I'd like to look into ways of breaking it.
That's just my hacker mentality at work there.
But, uh, you know, like any tool, uh, and, and, uh, as Becky was saying, you know, if,
if, uh, people don't know how to fix things anymore, well, you know, the first step in
fixing something is breaking it.
So you take it apart, you know, you make it, uh, so that, uh, it's, it's, it's fairly
useless and then you put it back together again or not as maybe we'll decide to do with
AI, but I think that's something that, um, that, that we would benefit from.
Uh, yeah, go ahead, Alex.
Yeah, it's, um, it's kind of, uh, crazy when you, when you think about, you know, how far
all of this is, um, all, all this is going with respect to the, the artificial intelligence
and things.
And, uh, you know, um, you know, it, it can go, we can look at this in one way and say,
you know, maybe we're just being, you know, completely afraid of, of all of this, um, being
replaced, you know, being replaced by machines and whatnot.
And, you know, we can bring this back historically to, to things like the Luddites and maybe we're,
we're being, you know, modern Luddites here and railing against technology.
But, uh, I think that Scott had, had really struck a chord, uh, with me when he mentioned
this thing, but, you know, not wanting to be replaced with musicians and even, you know,
creatives and things that, um, and I completely understand that.
And I think that we need to start thinking about artificial intelligence for what it is.
And, you know, we forget that it's two words, right?
They're, they're not together.
You know, it's artificial.
It's fake.
What does artificial mean?
We don't like artificial sweeteners.
So why do we like artificial intelligence for God's sakes?
I mean, artificial means, you know, generated by a machine.
It's cheap.
It's done easily.
It's almost earthsats in a sense.
It doesn't have, it's not imbued with the creative spirit.
It's something like a song generated by human is.
And it just feels to me too, like when you are browsing through Netflix or whatever stupid
streaming service we're using lately, right?
All the shows just seem so trite.
Like they're generated by some lowest common denominator, AI based algorithm that just generates
sitcoms or reality shows that it thinks people are going to like.
And it all just seems so cheap that I hope that maybe a flip side of this, the corollary will
be that artificial intelligence becomes to be seen for what it is, artificial, fake, and
that human intelligence and human created things, things that you can see at a festival like
Maker Faire have a higher premium and a higher value associated with them.
Yeah, let's hope so.
We're speaking with Elijah Horland, Scott Schubert, and Becky Button from the upcoming Coney Island
Maker Faire this weekend.
Our phone number is 802-321-4225.
That's 802-321-HACK.
If you want to join the conversation, ask a question or two.
Our phone lines are wide open.
Correct.
Even for Rebel?
Yeah, I should probably warn-
His private line is actually, it's available, yeah.
I should warn our guests that sometimes our callers stray off topic.
Oh, and also, this note for people who are listening to the show on YouTube.
Yes, our chat is turned off.
We know that.
It's intentional because we are down a couple of people this week and there's nobody to
monitor the chat.
So it would be mayhem and chaos of a negative sort.
So we decided not to have that this week.
But when we come back in two weeks, we'll be sure to do that.
Yeah, so I'm really looking forward to this.
I hope we can get the van to make it into Coney Island.
Can you give us a sense as to other makers that might be showing up that we haven't mentioned
already or, dare I say, celebrities or just people that might be enticing to those considering
going?
Sure.
So one of the things that I think is very cool and my niece, who's eight, will think is
very cool, is a food maker called Fluffy NYC.
And basically what they do is they make cotton candy creations that look just like cartoon
characters, sea creatures, other animals and all sorts of things.
To me, when I saw that, I said, OK, we've got to invite these people because it's Coney
Island and it's Maker Faire and kids will love it and I'll love it, you know, and it just
looks really cool.
So that's one of those things that I think, like, especially for my niece, she'll get a
kick out of it.
But I'm excited to see as well.
We have a lot of the makerspaces in New York coming, which is cool.
Fat Cat Fab Lab, NYC Resistor, a bunch of the makerspaces at NYU.
So that'll be great.
They're going to come and some of the students are going to show off their creations and their
robots and games that they've made, wearable technology games and all sorts of cool projects.
Like I did mention Girls Who Hack with their lockpicking.
I think they'll be great.
But one of the organizations that I love to highlight, I think I saw them also at Long
Island Maker Faire and I think they have chapters kind of all over the place because they're
such a good organization as Makers Making Change.
They're going to present their work and their creations.
They're a great organization of volunteers.
They take requests from people that live near them who need special devices, 3D printed,
to do things that most of us can do easily.
People with multiple sclerosis or cerebral palsy who may not be able to hold a pencil or play
a video game without a special device.
And they actually organize volunteers who say, you know, I have a 3D printer.
I don't use it all the time.
I'd love to help.
And I'll print some of this stuff.
And they're showing, they're going to demo some of their devices and tell people how they
can get involved.
So I think that'll be, that's a great organization.
And it's cool that people with 3D printers, you know, I had one for a long time that a
friend of mine gave me.
And after a while, I didn't know what to do with it.
You know, like I would, I printed door hooks for over the door to hang your clothes and
some things like that.
And after a while, it was sort of just sitting here until I got an inspiration.
So I think it's a cool way for people to use some of that technology and to really make
a better difference in the world.
And it's makers, you know, literally making change.
But all of us can kind of say, oh, I've got a 3D printer or my school has one or whatever.
And a way for people to be makers, to help people.
So I think they're a great organization that's going to be there.
And since this is a different audience right now, can we give out the contact info for people
who might want to be able to help even at this late stage?
Yeah, definitely.
So if you want to come be an attendee, you're welcome to come.
Please join us.
Or, you know, we're always looking for volunteers, always looking for helpers if you just want
to come and have fun.
But the website is ConeyIslandMakerFair.com.
And fair is spelled with an E.
So it's F-A-I-R-E, ConeyIslandMakerFair.com.
And there's sign up info, all sorts of things on the website.
So if you want to check it out, you can go there.
We also have a special going on for Friday.
Originally, it was just going to be for teachers and students.
And now we want to open it up to everyone.
We feel like the weather is going to be nice.
Why not?
So if you can come on down any day, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday, come join us.
It's this weekend, Friday, October 6th through October 8th, Sunday.
And it's 1030 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Let me just give out the phone number one more time, Kyle.
We don't have a call, do we?
We do not.
Sometimes getting the first call is hard because people are shy and they don't want to be the
first.
But I understand that.
But we have a limited amount of time here.
So if you have any questions for our guests about Maker Faire or anything else that you
want to bring up, go right ahead.
802-321-4225.
802-321-HACK is our telephone number.
But one thing I wanted to ask you guys about, while we prefer people don't drive, obviously,
there are people who basically will have to drive one way or another.
What do you think the best way to get to Coney Island is?
Is there a place people can park and then maybe hop onto some kind of train or shuttle or something
like that?
So we're very lucky.
We're partnering with the ballpark, the Brooklyn Cyclones baseball stadium.
for Sunday for the robot and drone competitions.
But because we are partnered with them and because they will be available basically the
whole weekend, they have a huge parking lot that people can use.
In addition to that, there's also the amphitheater where we have the event has another parking
lot behind that.
So there are lots available.
There's also street parking, obviously.
You know, we wanted to make sure there was that capability for people if they want to
use it.
But yeah, no, especially when you're, one of the things that I didn't mention, but I
should, is that we're right by Coney Island Brewery, you know, which is a great, great
brewery over by Coney.
And if you're coming and you can take the train or bus or public transportation, you can
hang out at the brewery.
So that's always a plus, obviously.
But public transportation is the way to go if you can.
If you are driving, there will be those parking lots available.
And we, we're going to, I think we already have the information for the parking lots
on the site, but if we don't, we'll put it up.
We're emailing all of the people that bought tickets and everyone that is a maker or vendor.
So they have a place, obviously, to park their vehicle if they need to.
But we'll, we'll cover all that stuff online.
If we haven't already, it'll be on our website tomorrow.
So, okay.
Again, our phone number 802-321-4225.
If people have any, any questions or comments, feel free to, to give us a call.
Alex, do I understand there's a bear outside your house?
Yeah, there is.
Yeah, apparently.
Okay.
And you ran off to what?
Greeted or something?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, they, they deserve to be greeted and cuddled and, um.
Have you secured all of your pets and, and belongings?
Yeah, that's what I want to do.
You're bear safe?
Yeah, there, there is a way for my beagle to get out upstairs to the balcony and then go downstairs.
And, uh, we, we had an incident a couple of, uh, months ago where it's three o'clock in the morning and she desperately wanted to go outside.
Uh, this is the beagle, of course.
And so I, I, I very sleepily opened the door and she bolts out the door because there was a wild animal out here.
This time it happened to be a skunk and she got sprayed directly in the face by the skunk after confronting her, uh, confronting this other skunk that was denning or something.
Uh, and it was, it was, it was a very, very difficult morning.
I'll just put it that way.
Uh, I made, say, you know, she was foaming at the mouth because she got hit in the face.
So, you know, she started salivating at the mouth and I made the mistake of dragging her in the house.
Um, even though she was in the house for maybe 15, 20 seconds, trying to get that stench of skunk out of it was difficult.
Uh, it was, uh, yeah.
So we, you know, beagles are crazy.
You gotta, you gotta wash them.
I'm not sure if, you know, it's just beagles.
I think dogs in general, uh, get in trouble like this.
And, and one skunk can, can stink up an entire county.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
It's the urban wildland interface.
It's really, it's a, it's a big, big deal.
Anyway, we have a phone call.
Good evening.
You're on off the hook.
Over time.
Go ahead.
Greetings from London, England.
Hey, it's Zamp, if I'm not mistaken.
You're correct.
How are you doing?
Hey, not bad.
I just wanted to let everyone know that the phone line is working.
So please phone in.
So a phone call to ask for phone calls is what we have here.
Yeah.
That's how it's.
Because nobody's ringing.
Uh-huh.
So I thought I'd help.
Is it?
Is it?
Are there maker fairs in, in the UK?
Um, not that I'm aware of.
We haven't had anything like that for a while.
We could deal with some.
Uh-huh.
Alex, did you have something?
You know, Zep, I, I beg to differ because I remember walking, uh, near the South Bank
Center in 2015.
Yeah, but that was a long time ago, Alex.
We're talking about now.
Well, I, I, I, was that to do with Arduino Day?
Yeah, it was.
Yes.
Yeah.
Um, but in any way, I was kind of ducking in and out of places with, with my family and
my son, and we came across a little maker fair.
I mean, it was tiny.
It was like, you know, maybe half a block, but it was a maker fair.
And I was very excited to all of a sudden run into maker fair in London.
Uh, but, uh, yeah, but there's, so there's something there.
I don't think it's as, as large a presence.
Did you, uh, did you meet R2-D2 there as well?
No, R2-D2 was not there.
By the way, did you ever tell your son that that wasn't the original R2-D2?
Or does he still to this day, he must be about 11 now?
Does he still believe it?
Yeah, he's around that, but he, um, you know, I, I, I will, I would never, I think, shatter
that deliberately, right?
I think you just need to let him come to his own realization that that probably wasn't the
actual R2-D2, if that, if that thought ever comes in.
Yeah, the actual fictitious character.
I mean, why, why wouldn't he be the actual R2-D2?
Well, to a five or six year old, you know, they're not fictitious, right?
That's, that's life.
That's, that's part of your being.
So, yeah.
Um, but, uh, it, Zeps, good, good to hear your voice again, and, uh, hope, hope to see
you in a couple of months, too.
Okay.
And just for the record, you could always build an R2-D2 with your son, Alex.
It's a good project.
That is a good project, actually.
That wouldn't, that would be a lot of fun.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm sort of spatially challenged, though, when it comes to, you know, building actual
things.
So, um, it might be difficult.
Maybe a small one.
Yeah, maybe a small one.
That's right.
Yeah.
Uh, absolutely.
I think that's a great idea, Zep.
All right, uh, Zap, a reminder, there are 2,600 meetings this Friday.
You probably know that.
Yes, I should be going, uh, trying to get some new people to go, and they're meant to
be turning up on Friday.
Um, so yeah, I'll be there.
Any updates on other UK meetings, as, as you know about all of them?
Um, I'm hearing about the Manchester meeting is going ahead in November.
They're trying to find a venue, because the venue they had in mind, I think, got pulled
out for whatever reason.
I see.
Venues are a challenge.
I want to keep you up to date.
Yep.
I'll keep you up to date, um, when I find out the news.
Okay.
Sounds great.
Always good to hear your voice, Zap.
Okay.
All right.
See you later, everyone.
Have fun.
Best to you.
Take care.
And yes, um, do as a request and give us a call, 802-321-4225, 802-321-HACK.
That's our phone number on for only another few minutes.
Um, anything else that, um, you guys want to share as far as, uh, what we can look forward
to this weekend?
Uh, I just want to make a request, actually.
If you guys do end up bringing the van, hopefully you do, if you can bring any of your old telephone
technology, that would be great.
We will give you tables if you need it.
The thing is, I want to show my niece what, like, a rotary phone looks like, or any of that
stuff.
I doubt you would be, uh, able to bring the entire phone booth that you guys have.
The phone booth is very heavy, but, uh, we can definitely bring some, some, uh, old phone
equipment and, and, and, and some other things, and probably some audio as well.
So, yeah, it would be great.
We'll assemble a, uh, sort of a, a small package of, of some of the things we've brought before.
And, uh, that way we're, we're a little bit, uh, agile because it does take a little bit
of coordination to, uh, to bring the, um, the entirety of the phone booth with, with its
own roof.
This thing is great.
I mean, it evolved after years of, of being at Maker Faire and saying like, wow, maybe
we could show this.
We would put phones as a display and then we started connecting them up and we made an
intercom with our phone booth.
And, um, we also would broadcast over loudspeakers, um, an excellent series by Evan Dorbell, uh, called
phone trips.
And it was just a beautiful, like, uh, experience because everybody else was broadcasting their
sounds and, and having their competitions and so forth.
And, uh, and, and just the, the, um, that, that, uh, mix of so many different things in
the air was, was always so fun.
And you could, you could hear us all throughout the Maker Faire.
You'd be able to like locate the van by, by the sounds of a telephone, dial tones, busy
signals, everything.
It was, it was, it was pretty amazing.
Some people asked us to turn it down and we did, but, uh, it was, it was definitely
a draw as well.
We'll definitely get the, get the van shined up though and, and see if we can make it out
there.
Yeah.
The real issue is if it starts, if it continues to run, if it does those two things, then,
then we're there.
We'll, we'll figure it out.
We have to drive on commercial roads though, because it's a commercial vehicle.
It's in good shape though.
And, uh, and we've been, we've been upgrading, making sure it's a well-maintained, so it should
be okay.
Okay.
We do have a phone call.
We have another phone call.
Let's, let's, uh, take that.
And, uh, good evening.
You are on Off the Hook Overtime.
Go ahead.
Hi, we'd like to hear about the Muppets, please.
At the, uh, Maker Faire this weekend.
You want to hear about the Muppets at the Maker Faire this weekend?
Um, yes.
Okay.
Uh, do you guys have info on this?
Yes.
There's going to be a panel, I think, that, um, we heard that there was going to be Muppets
or Puppets, Jim Henson, uh, Muppets involved.
And so, if Scott could maybe touch on that.
Okay.
Uh, Scott, do you have info on that?
I do.
Um, so we have, we are very lucky.
We have a couple of great speakers and makers lined up.
One of the, one of the talks, you know, we have, uh, different talks by people.
One of the panel discussions that we're going to have is actually a, um, group of makers.
They're basically New York City puppet makers, veteran puppet makers from a lot of your favorite
TV shows and films and Broadway productions, you know, famous streets and, uh, uh, famous,
uh, mouse related companies and things like that.
Um, so we have a bunch of panelists, uh, Robin Coffey, uh, Jessica Marie Lawrence, Annie
Ozar, and it's all going to be moderated by Matthew Lisch, but it's going to be a great,
uh, talk that is on Saturday at noon.
And, um, it's going to be a lot of fun.
That's one of those where I'm, I'm hoping I'm not going to be working during that talk
because I'm just going to go sit, you know, I'm sure you guys feel the same way with the
hope conference, but, uh, sometimes you just want to sit and take it all in and it's going
to be really cool.
We always want to, we never get to, but we always want to, everybody wants to catch up.
It's, it's crazy.
Absolutely.
Any other questions, caller?
No, we're good.
Thank you so much.
I mean, are there going to be any other panels that are noteworthy?
Any other panels that are noteworthy?
Uh, no, we do have some of our makers that are doing talks and presentations.
We're not doing any other panels necessarily, but what we are going to have is, uh, one
of them is a keynote, uh, on Saturday at two o'clock by Garrett Oliver, who's a famous
Brooklyn maker.
He is the brewmaster from Brooklyn brewery and literally wrote the book on beer.
Um, he's a very prominent world renowned Brooklyn maker, and he's going to talk about the Brooklyn
maker community and New York maker community and what his challenges were, um, and all of
the good work that he's doing, trying to get equality and STEM and STEAM fields for kids
and for people that are looking for work in those areas.
All right.
Well, thank you for your call.
Thank you.
Looking forward to maker fair.
Yes.
Okay.
See you there.
Sounded like a young person there as well, which is great.
Uh, so, so many young people turn out for this.
And I think that's, that's the measure of success.
When I, when I went to my first maker fair and just saw so many young people, I realized
this, this is the future right here.
And, um, boy, it, it, it certainly proved itself.
Um, and I, I, I hope that this succeeds.
I hope that maker fairs all over the country, all over the world succeed.
You think it's, it's part of a trend, the resurgence.
Definitely.
There is some kind of make resurgence going on because so many people, you know, people
learn to all these new skills during the pandemic.
And now that the world's opening back up, people are looking for outlets to show that
off.
So totally.
I see, you know, maker fairs popping up being, would be a cool trend.
All right.
We have another phone call.
Good evening.
You're on off the cover time.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
I just wanted to find out if, uh, you know, any, uh, any, like the speakers that you mentioned
earlier, is there, is it on the website?
Is there, is there a place we could see who's going to, uh, you know, who's going to be
speaking or anything like that activity?
Is there a place where we can.
A list of, a list of speakers that, that will be, uh, at, at the, um, at maker fairs.
Is that what you're asking?
At the maker fairs.
Yeah.
Cause he just mentioned someone, he was talking about somebody earlier.
Is there anywhere where it's listed on the maker fair website?
Uh, Scott, do you have the answer to that?
Yes.
If you go to Coney Island maker fair.com fair has an E, uh, you can not only get tickets
and get information, but yes, there, there are participating makers there.
I think the way that it's set up is it doesn't want to focus, you know, certain people more
than others.
So it randomizes the makers that you see when you first go to the page.
But all of the makers are listed there.
I think we've got over 75 makers currently makers, vendors, people that, you know, made
stuff and want to show it off people that are playing music, all sorts of different
things.
Um, but they should all be on there.
And if you want, uh, we're going to put together an actual full list that we're going
to distribute to everyone when, when you come and also email.
But, um, right now on the site, it should have at least that, that randomized version of
it.
And you could probably just hit reload to get more.
Is it too late for someone to be a vendor at Maker Faire?
Is it too late to register or whatever?
You, um, we, we would normally say yes, it's too late, but you never know.
So you know what?
Your best shot is to go to the website, fill out the call for makers form, which also includes
vendors.
And basically based on the information and your requirements, you know, electrical or
any other stuff that whatever you put into the form, we will, uh, get in touch with you.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Those are my questions.
Thank you.
All right.
Thanks for your call.
802-321-4225.
If anyone else out there wants to ask a question of, uh, or, or Maker Faire people tonight,
um, love to, uh, love to have you a call.
Come in.
Um, yeah.
So, uh, this, this really seems to be, uh, uh, picking up steam.
Um, there is a definite, uh, feeling of anticipation.
Um, and I, I just hope this becomes a tradition because having that neighborhood, the unique
neighborhood of Coney Island, if, if, if they're a part of this and, uh, becomes known as Maker
Fair Weekend, it would be, you know, similar to the festivities that take place around, uh,
things like Mermaid Parade, where it's just, you know, a focal point.
Um, again, the first one is, is the challenge, getting that, that one out of the way and, uh,
and having it work out, having it be successful.
I think that is, uh, that is the challenge.
We can all play a part in that.
Yeah.
And I think we're very lucky that we have such a big community of people that do love
Maker Faire and do miss it.
Um, people that are excited for it to come back and people that hear about it and they
want all the details and they want to spread the word and they want to know how they can
participate.
I think we are lucky that we have that, that there was that, that magic in New York and
people are looking for it to come back.
So we feel lucky that we're able to give them the opportunity just like us, you know,
to experience that and to bring, bring their kids and to bring people and show them how
cool it is.
Absolutely.
I'm, I'm certain if this persists will be, um, inspired and, uh, advanced enough after
time, it will be exposed to enough Maker Faires that the payphone booth will load itself,
will somehow build it some robotic legs.
And, and, uh, I, I, we're really looking forward to it.
I can't wait to see what people are.
I bet Coney Island has payphone still though.
That's it's that cool a neighborhood.
It's that retro.
It could be a scavenger.
Yeah.
It's a very retro place.
Absolutely is.
Uh, Becky, I wanted to ask you about your music cause you're a musician and, uh, we didn't
really get to talk about this.
Yeah.
I mean, so we're doing our first workshop for how to build these guitar pedals at Coney
Island Maker Faire, um, this weekend.
And, um, it's going to be a really fun time.
We're going to be getting into, I mean, it's, it's first come first serve, but we're going
to be getting into, um, you know, soldering these little kids together.
My friend Jason Garwood has designed this beautiful enclosure.
Um, it's going to have purple on it.
So it's, we're calling it the purple pedal project for now.
So everything's purple.
Um, and I don't know, it's, it's just going to be a lot of fun where we're all these, uh,
it has a microcontroller in it.
That's already been pre-programmed with, uh, either a chorus or tremolo effect.
Um, it depends on which one you get.
And, um, we're going to leave people with a fully reprogrammable customizable effects pedal
at the end of the, the workshop.
So it'll be a load of fun.
Wow.
That, that sounds like a lot.
That's programmable.
I've never heard of that.
I guess the state of the art, that's where it is.
That's amazing.
I'm really, really intrigued by this.
It's all digital.
So it's definitely not going to have some of the audio properties of, of the warm analog
search circuitry, but if you're just getting started and you don't want to pay an
arm and a leg for all these different effects pedals, you're still trying to figure out
what's going on and what you like.
Yeah, exactly.
Brilliant.
Brilliant.
I love it.
That's, that's really cool.
Wow.
Um, are we, we had a phone line is open.
Phone line is still open.
Okay.
802-321-4225.
We're just going to keep it on for a couple more minutes.
It's been a long night and I know our guests have to have to run and, uh, so do we.
So, uh, so your last chance to give a call and ask a question of this upcoming, uh, maker fair
in Coney Island and, um, wow.
I assume we've all been to, I mean, you guys have been to Coney Island.
I assume we've all been, I've been in, you've been there, right?
Oh yeah.
And, and grew up hearing stories about, uh, my parents and grandparents, uh, seeking
out as a destination.
So visiting it was really surreal.
I've also been to Brighton beach with you.
That's right.
Yeah.
It's right down the road.
And so, uh, it's, it's one of these places that you just have to, um, if you go to New
York, you have to be, uh, you know, there as well.
We also, um, gosh, we were there for the mermaid festivals, mermaid parade, um, one time as
well.
So it's, it's always a fun time.
There's always something going on there and it's an incredible place to explore.
And then seeing it in the TV show was, that was just wild.
That's right.
Yes.
Um, so I really hope people are drawn to this and really fired up about all that's
going on and, and what people have to share.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, Alex, did you have something?
Go ahead.
Uh, I just wanted to, when speaking about transportation and things and how to get to Coney Island, but
one thing that should be mentioned too, is that Coney Island is a really fantastic place to
which you can ride your bike.
If you live in Manhattan, you can ride your bike pretty easily, uh, to Coney Island and
it's such a gorgeous ride along the Southern bits of Brooklyn.
Uh, and you get to Coney Island and you, you know, can go to Brighton Beach and, you know,
it's just a, it's a wonderful day trip if anybody's thinking about it.
And I think the weather should be perfect for that sort of thing this weekend.
Um, and then arcades and things.
So, you know, Coney Island arcades.
I think it's the case that our very own Rob T. Firefly used to work at an arcade, didn't
he?
Do you remember this?
I don't know if it was at Coney Island.
I think it was on Long Island, but, uh, yeah, it's quite possible.
He's familiar with the industry, yeah?
Yeah.
I think he used to work in an arcade a long time ago.
We can talk about him since he's not here.
Um, and I think some of our other mutual friends used to have things to do directly with arcades
in Coney Island.
Well, that's very intriguing.
Yes.
A lot of people work in, in, in arcades and, and, in that industry for sure.
And, uh, there's a lot of history there.
You'll see, um, old things that still exist to this day.
We're talking about the parachute jump earlier and its history.
So, uh, yeah, if you're looking beyond Maker Faire to just learn a lot about culture and,
and history of New York City, uh, you couldn't do better than to, uh, hang on Coney Island for
a couple of days and, and, uh, things like that.
Let me just ask, as we were preparing to get out of here, um, for people that, uh, might
be from out of town considering going to this thing, uh, are there, are there places to stay
nearby or is there anything that you guys recommend?
There are not necessarily hotels in Coney Island, at least not yet.
You know, that's one of the things that have been, uh, debated and discussed in the last
couple of years between casinos and hotels.
Um, but there are plenty of hotels around Brooklyn and some of the neighborhoods are definitely
worth checking out, worth staying.
And I think if you just kind of look around Brooklyn and see if there's a neighborhood,
especially if you're not from here, maybe, maybe pick a neighborhood you've heard of
or a neighborhood that maybe even that you haven't heard of and, you know, check it out.
There are definitely some hotels spread out.
For Coney Island, um, I would stay in Brooklyn if, if you have a choice, but anywhere in New York
is probably fine, especially with, uh, public transportation or a bike or a car.
Um, you know, you can take Uber or a cab or anything too.
So there's a lot of ways to get there, uh, depending where you stay.
But yeah, it's not necessarily in Coney Island, but that's probably part of the fun is that
you could check out a different neighborhood that you, you know, weren't in and that's where
you can stay.
And then head over to Coney to check out the rides and make her fair and, you know, eat at
new things.
Yeah, it's interesting because this is the same conversation we had regarding hope when
we moved to Queens, uh, you know, people who don't stay on campus.
Well, you can stay somewhere nearby in a different neighborhood and explore, and it's all part
of the adventure and, um, uh, Brooklyn, Queens, uh, two amazing boroughs in New York city that,
um, uh, deserve a lot more attention.
And I think this is, this is one way of, uh, achieving that.
So really, really looking forward to, um, uh, to this becoming a tradition.
Uh, we're going to, uh, uh, close things up.
I want to give, uh, each of you, uh, Elijah, Scott, Becky, a chance to, um, say some concluding
remarks, anything that you'd like to express to people.
Half off tickets on Friday.
So.
Yes.
If I just want to say it's, it's, it's a lot of fun.
Uh, it's fun for kids and adults.
It's great for parents to see their kids eyes light up and be excited for science, you
know, and engineering and math.
And maybe that's not what they're thinking when they see it, but that's basically the
spark that ignites a lot of these, uh, future makers and future kids with projects.
And, um, I think it's one of the great, uh, experiences because a lot of it is hands
on.
There are a lot of activities for kids and adults, you know, learn to solder is does not
just for kids.
You can also learn as an adult.
Anyone can learn.
Um, so it's just a cool, uh, place and a cool environment and a place where you can
really learn from each other and see a lot of cool stuff, all sorts of different stuff.
So definitely come check it out.
Cone Island maker fair.com and fair has an E in it.
Yeah.
I mean, great points from Elijah and Scott, I guess all I really have to say on top of
that is, um, maker fair is a great time.
You won't regret showing up there.
There's going to be something to do.
Um, if you're interested in learning more about the purple pedal project, um, this guitar
pedal that I'm debuting at Coney Island maker fair, feel free to find me on Twitter at Einstein
unicorn, um, E I N S T E I N U N I C O R N.
And, um, yeah, go to Coney Island maker fair.
There's literally half off tickets on Friday.
There's no excuse not to go.
So, yes, you, you make a very good point there.
Very good point.
Uh, Elijah Horland, Scott Schubert, Becky button.
Thank you so much for joining us, uh, this Wednesday and telling us all about what's truly
an amazing event.
That's upcoming.
It's, it's going to be history in the making and, uh, we hope we see you there.
Thank you for having us.
Yeah.
Thanks.
We hope to see you.
Thanks.
All right.
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