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              Outbreak Magazine Issue #10 - Article 9 of 18
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IRC - Hacking FAQ
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2002-10-05
by Timeless
timeless@hackstation.tk

(the n00b's name was changed to save embarrassment - I'll leave it to you
to figure out which one is the n00b, hehehe)

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<SomeNewbie> hey
<Timeless> hiya
<SomeNewbie> what does this channel do?
<SomeNewbie> teach?
<Timeless> it holds intelligence, so maybe it could teach I suppose
<SomeNewbie> well i want to learn
<Timeless> you are not the only one, even elite hackers constantly try to
           learn more
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<Timeless> today's hack is tomorrow's patch
<SomeNewbie> well im a newbe
<Timeless> you have many years to go
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<SomeNewbie> well we all have to start some were right
<Timeless> yes, but there is pain involved
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<Timeless> do you write programs?
<SomeNewbie> im learning
<Timeless> good, learn more
<Timeless> all languages
<SomeNewbie> i know some c++
<SomeNewbie> and i learned pascal
<SomeNewbie> but thats kindof i useless
<Timeless> learn some assembly
<Timeless> :)
<Timeless> to give you an idea of some real hacking, check out the tutorials
           on buffer and stack overflows on this page: www.roothack.org
<Timeless> the links are on the right
<SomeNewbie> i c
<Timeless> there are some nice debugger tips in there too
<SomeNewbie> so this can do it?
<Timeless> it's a start
<Timeless> "it" is never done
<SomeNewbie> hehe tru
<SomeNewbie> what will this site teach?
<Timeless> it will hopefully help you to understand good coding practices
<SomeNewbie> kool
<Timeless> by knowing the flaws you can write good strong code
<SomeNewbie> do i apply for the game?
<Timeless> heh, the game is way too advanced
<Timeless> don't bother with the game yet
<SomeNewbie> o lol
<Timeless> do you run Linux?
<SomeNewbie> ok ill just read up on it then
<Timeless> k
<SomeNewbie> i run a xp
<SomeNewbie> adn a mac
<Timeless> Jaguar?
<SomeNewbie> yup
<Timeless> kewl
<Timeless> under the hood is like BSD
<Timeless> a type of Unix
<Timeless> get your hands dirty
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<Timeless> also get a spare box up and try running RedHat Linux
<Timeless> setup firewalls, web servers, etc.
<SomeNewbie> i tried that 1ce
<Timeless> kewl
<Timeless> try it more
<SomeNewbie> i dont like it much
<SomeNewbie> i couldnt even get on the internet
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<Timeless> the more you expose yourself to this kind of stuff the more likely
           you are to get an instinct for it
<Timeless> make some dynamic web sites, try see the related security issues
<SomeNewbie> ok
<SomeNewbie> ill check it out
<Timeless> examine the various network protocols
<Timeless> get a feel for what is going on behind the scenes
<SomeNewbie> right
<Timeless> see how quickly that got like really big?!
<Timeless> lots to do
<SomeNewbie> ya lol
<Timeless> hope you're young
<Timeless> :)
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<Timeless> ... it will take half your life to become a well-rounded elite
           hacker/cracker etc.
<SomeNewbie> wow
<SomeNewbie> i thought u just learn it
<SomeNewbie> like reading a book
<SomeNewbie> lolol
<Timeless> um, no, unfortunately
<Timeless> hehe
<Timeless> I wish
<SomeNewbie> ya
<Timeless> considering many things change
<SomeNewbie> that would be nice
<Timeless> at a rapid rate
<SomeNewbie> tru
<Timeless> which is why the instinct thing is important
<Timeless> what's your profession?
<SomeNewbie> im in school
<Timeless> ok
<Timeless> anyone else you know that likes the same kind of thing? (hacking)
<SomeNewbie> not really
<Timeless> yeah, me neither
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<SomeNewbie> what kind of stuff can u do ?
<SomeNewbie> like hacking
<Timeless> I'm too far gone now, people I know wouldn't understand even the
           simplest of things I have to talk about
<SomeNewbie> lol
<Timeless> well, I've done all kinds of things
<SomeNewbie> how long did it take u to learn?
<Timeless> I am a professional programmer and I worked for an ISP
<Timeless> started in 1985
<SomeNewbie> damn
<SomeNewbie> been around for a while
<Timeless> yep
<SomeNewbie> what do u think about LINdows
<Timeless> not checked it out yet
<Timeless> what do you think of it?
<SomeNewbie> heard ne thing interesting?
<SomeNewbie> havent tried it either
<Timeless> I have heard the odd thing that assures me it exists
<SomeNewbie> i c
<SomeNewbie> it supposedly can run linux and windows progrmas?
<Timeless> other Linuxes run Windows apps using "wine"
<Timeless> wine stands for: Wine Is Not an Emulator
<Timeless> hehe
<Timeless> although, you can run something like bochs if you want to emulate
           another PC on your current PC
<Timeless> bochs can be found on Sourceforge
<SomeNewbie> hmm
<SomeNewbie> i need to learn to use linux to hakc?
<Timeless> you need to expose yourself to many OS'es
<Timeless> a lot of serious web hosting companies use RedHat Linux
<SomeNewbie> what os u use?
<Timeless> heh, I have XP as workstation, RH Linux as firewall/gateway, my
           other boxes have Debian Linux and Windows 2000
<SomeNewbie> Debian
<SomeNewbie> whats that?
<Timeless> I can also configure Cisco routers
<Timeless> Debian is yet another Linux distro
<SomeNewbie> damn
<SomeNewbie> im taking a cisco class
<Timeless> good
<Timeless> I don't get to use Solaris much these days
<Timeless> I can't be arsed to buy the hardware
<Timeless> am saving up for my first Mac (well, first one for home use anyway)
<SomeNewbie> ya
<SomeNewbie> i love my mac
<SomeNewbie> it can do so much crap
<Timeless> and one day I want to continue playing around with MPLCs
<Timeless> and I want a mini-PC
<Timeless> hehe
<SomeNewbie> i got me a dell laptop
<Timeless> me too
<SomeNewbie> and a dual 1.4 gig g4
<Timeless> it's a bit old tho
<Timeless> I like the G4, can't afford one tho
<SomeNewbie> mine about 1 year
<SomeNewbie> 1ghz
<SomeNewbie> ya i had to save for 2 years
<Timeless> well done dude
<Timeless> impressive
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<Timeless> one more thing, and this is just me I'm speaking for... I make
           of rule of never hacking out in the wild.
<SomeNewbie> meaning?
<Timeless> meaning I won't go hacking for fun
<SomeNewbie> then y else would u hack?
<Timeless> unless the company pays me to do it to themselves
<Timeless> and I have a written contract
<SomeNewbie> well,,,
<SomeNewbie> lol
<Timeless> I hack my own computers to learn
<SomeNewbie> LOL
<Timeless> I have no motive to hack anyone
<SomeNewbie> nicely put
<Timeless> ... yet :)
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<SomeNewbie> let see......
<Timeless> lol
<SomeNewbie> could u get into my computer right now?
<Timeless> dunno
<Timeless> maybe
<SomeNewbie> it will prob be extremy easy
* Timeless shrugs
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<Timeless> :)
<Timeless> there was a competition/honey pot running recently, XP Home box,
           default install connected to the net
<Timeless> I don't think it was broken into
<Timeless> it's when the user starts doing stupid things that makes it easier
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<Timeless> or if services are open to buffer overflows etc.
<SomeNewbie> kool
<Timeless> a buffer overflow is basically a way of getting some pre-prepared
           code of mine to run on your machine, which would in turn download a back
           door program for me to have a more advanced interaction with your computer
<SomeNewbie> thats awsome
<Timeless> some buffer overflows can take ages to create once you find a
           flaw in the software that can be abused
<SomeNewbie> thats y u need to be a programer
<Timeless> it's sometimes easier to send you a trojan, or get you to view
           a web site that exploits other known flaws in your web browser for 
           example
<Timeless> yes, exactly!
<Timeless> being a programmer makes sure that you understand what you are
           doing
<SomeNewbie> thats pretty awsome
<Timeless> having worked at an ISP, I also understand how traceable you are
           too :)
<SomeNewbie> so before i try to start ne thing i should learn more programming
<Timeless> yes
<SomeNewbie> what isp u work for?
<Timeless> I used to work for www.********.co.zw - Zimbabwe's leading ISP,
           but then I moved to the UK
<SomeNewbie> u lived in Zimbabwe?
<Timeless> I used to catch hackers in the act, then make them aware I knew
           what they were doing, scare them a bit, then befriend them - they never 
           attempted to hack my servers again after that
<Timeless> it was great
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<SomeNewbie> sounds awsome
<Timeless> having an understanding of web servers and buffer overflows helped
           me prevent my web servers from being vulnerable to the code red worm -
           simply use an application-level firewall, like SecureIIS for example on
           the web server
<Timeless> I also write web applications
<Timeless> so understanding the HTTP protocol and anything web-related also
           helps a lot
<SomeNewbie> damn
<SomeNewbie> u know everything
<Timeless> no way!
<Timeless> I don't
<Timeless> I found the more I learn the less I feel I know
<Timeless> there is just too much to learn
<Timeless> eventually you find you will specialise in various areas of the
           art that you like
<SomeNewbie> tru
<Timeless> I used to crack software - ie. remove 30-day expiry etc. for fun
           (never to distribute on the net though - bearing in mind my first rule)
<SomeNewbie> kool'
<Timeless> but that gets a bit boring
<Timeless> so I stopped doing it
<SomeNewbie> ya?
<Timeless> besides, all my software is properly paid for now
<SomeNewbie> hehe
<SomeNewbie> so what do u do int this channel?>
<Timeless> I chat if anyone wants to chat, give and take advice, etc., most
   people idle here
<Timeless> everyone likes to stereotype hackers - I'm just curious, and like
   computers, but I am also a very responsible person

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