WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:08.980 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, to the hackers and the crackers. 00:09.440 --> 00:15.080 I see in binary, I speak source code, step on my toes, I'll post a million JPEGs of you 00:15.080 --> 00:16.040 in a fag pose. 00:16.280 --> 00:21.200 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six-four. 00:21.440 --> 00:26.000 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:26.000 --> 00:32.020 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:32.220 --> 00:34.840 In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcasts. 00:35.040 --> 00:37.900 You need some ISOs? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:38.240 --> 00:39.920 Our exchange you could never stifle. 00:40.200 --> 00:43.080 In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 00:43.380 --> 00:47.080 I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:47.420 --> 00:51.660 Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:51.660 --> 00:55.840 You feel that rattle in your bones when I tell you we just hacked out Jones? 00:56.160 --> 01:00.280 And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:00.660 --> 01:03.120 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:03.520 --> 01:06.100 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals. 01:06.640 --> 01:11.180 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, SIPs. 01:11.440 --> 01:13.580 This is dedicated to the hackers and... 01:13.580 --> 01:22.780 Welcome to the Next Generation of Hacking Information Exchange. 01:22.860 --> 01:26.920 Welcome to the Next Generation of Hacking Information Exchange. 01:28.180 --> 01:32.160 Welcome to the Next Generation of Hacking Information Exchange. 01:32.880 --> 01:35.040 With StankDawg and Wintermute. 01:35.040 --> 01:42.040 All right. Hello, everyone. I am StankDawg, and I am joined by the one and only... 01:42.040 --> 01:42.860 Winterview. 01:43.180 --> 01:48.960 ...in the house. And you are listening to Binary Revolution Radio, Episode 1. 01:51.180 --> 01:56.500 Now, what is Binary Revolution Radio, or BinRev Radio, as we like to call it? 01:57.020 --> 02:03.820 Well, we decided that there's been a lot of hacking shows that have come and gone over the years, 02:03.820 --> 02:06.640 and right now they seem to all be gone. 02:07.420 --> 02:12.700 So we thought it was about time that we brought back an all-hacking show, all-hacking, all the time. 02:13.220 --> 02:19.280 So we are here. We're going to try to stay away from political topics and other non-hacking-related things. 02:19.340 --> 02:23.440 We're going to stick to hacking, digital rights, some-freaking, and stuff like that. 02:23.880 --> 02:27.940 Which leads to the second question, what about RFA, Radio Freak America? 02:28.440 --> 02:31.360 Mute, do you remember that show, Radio Freak America? Does that sound familiar? 02:31.360 --> 02:35.380 I have some images coming back to me now of it, but yeah. 02:35.480 --> 02:40.860 Sounds vaguely familiar, yeah. Well, we are still doing RFA, aren't we? 02:41.580 --> 02:43.300 I did it two weeks ago. 02:43.380 --> 02:45.560 Yeah, and I think I'm doing it tomorrow as well. 02:45.560 --> 02:50.860 So, RFA is not going away. This is not a split of any way, shape, or form. 02:51.360 --> 02:53.420 We have the blessings of Dual Parallel. 02:53.740 --> 02:57.080 He agrees that we do need more hacking news. 02:57.180 --> 03:00.520 We do need more radio shows, just like we need zines out there. 03:00.600 --> 03:06.440 We need more sources of information, more non-biased sources of information, 03:06.440 --> 03:08.560 that we don't have to deal with the mass media. 03:08.660 --> 03:12.840 We need more independent outlets, and that's what we are trying to achieve here. 03:12.840 --> 03:17.180 So, another thing, you know, this is probably kind of a selfish reason, 03:17.380 --> 03:20.140 but frankly, I like listening to Radio Freak America. 03:20.460 --> 03:24.180 So, you know, this actually gives me more time to listen to other people, 03:24.280 --> 03:28.280 because I know I always come on, and I always talk about hacking and different topics, 03:28.360 --> 03:29.500 and I'm not that much of a freak. 03:29.820 --> 03:35.600 This will actually let me listen to some other guests more frequently do freaking, 03:35.860 --> 03:40.340 and Dual, you know, do more phone calls, and more freaking live on the show, 03:40.340 --> 03:43.880 and make more phone calls, which is something I always like to hear as a listener. 03:44.120 --> 03:47.620 So, RFA, Radio Freak America, still a great show. 03:48.000 --> 03:52.500 We will still pop in as much as we can, if not, you know, still do that regularly as two. 03:52.600 --> 03:55.680 I mean, two regular shows each week from DDP. 03:55.920 --> 03:58.200 I mean, that's pretty darn cool, if you ask me. 03:59.160 --> 04:00.020 I believe so, too. 04:00.020 --> 04:05.560 So, Newt, you are in an interesting location, isn't it? 04:05.640 --> 04:09.900 It's kind of funny that our very first episode is you on location. 04:10.500 --> 04:15.560 Yes, I've never done, actually, I don't, never did an on-location RFA, so. 04:16.220 --> 04:23.040 Well, basically, what I'm at is I'm at Notre Dame University in beautiful South Bend, Indiana. 04:23.300 --> 04:23.700 Indiana. 04:24.320 --> 04:24.760 Huh? 04:25.000 --> 04:25.440 Indiana. 04:25.440 --> 04:28.900 Oh, okay, well, I don't, actually, I've never met that many people. 04:29.180 --> 04:31.460 There's one kid in here that actually lives in South Bend. 04:31.860 --> 04:33.940 We can make fun of him a lot, but that's another story altogether. 04:35.240 --> 04:38.640 There's like, what, there's only 50 kids in our camp, but, oh, the end of the camp, 04:38.700 --> 04:43.380 if anyone's wondering, is Introduction to Engineering, and I actually like it a lot, 04:43.580 --> 04:46.200 and I think I'm getting a lot away from it. 04:46.260 --> 04:50.400 Actually, it's funny, this Friday, we have speakers in the morning, 04:50.400 --> 04:52.660 and the speaker will be a guy that's about computer security. 04:52.660 --> 04:56.980 So I'm going to have to, you know, show off my skills a little bit for him. 04:57.620 --> 04:58.920 We'll see what he says, but. 04:59.460 --> 05:02.620 Yeah, you're going to keep us up to date with that, 05:02.700 --> 05:07.700 give us some notes on the next episode of what kind of evil hacking allegations he made, 05:07.840 --> 05:09.700 and how bad we are, and all that kind of good stuff. 05:09.720 --> 05:12.760 We'll see what he does, because actually the president, which is funny, 05:13.020 --> 05:15.100 you see a lot of camps you go to, a lot of sports camps, 05:15.400 --> 05:17.940 and the actual director of the whole camp isn't involved at all. 05:17.940 --> 05:21.040 The director of this camp is involved 100%. 05:21.040 --> 05:23.980 He's there, like, at every big thing we do and stuff, so that's really nice. 05:24.460 --> 05:29.260 He said he's done, he's messed with, like, intrusion detection systems and stuff, 05:29.540 --> 05:30.660 so this guy should be pretty cool. 05:30.880 --> 05:32.700 And so far the camp's been really fun. 05:32.800 --> 05:35.300 I mean, I've seen a lot of topics that I thought were boring, 05:35.640 --> 05:36.860 but they turned out to be pretty cool. 05:37.040 --> 05:38.880 So I'm happy so far. 05:38.940 --> 05:39.580 The kids are nice. 05:39.680 --> 05:41.380 I mean, I've done a lot of school stuff. 05:41.380 --> 05:44.340 They're all really impressed, so we'll see what happens, but I'm happy. 05:44.340 --> 05:48.980 Where are some of the other people from that are in the camp with you? 05:49.120 --> 05:49.980 What are their locations? 05:50.300 --> 05:51.360 We've got, like, everywhere. 05:51.560 --> 05:53.620 Like, we've got the Eastern Seaboard and the Western Seaboard. 05:53.800 --> 05:56.140 We've got a girl from Maine. 05:56.580 --> 05:58.800 We've got a bunch of kids in Texas. 05:59.860 --> 06:01.340 We've got some kids from California. 06:02.360 --> 06:03.300 They're coming from everywhere. 06:03.880 --> 06:04.200 Wow. 06:04.560 --> 06:05.520 And how long are you going to be there? 06:05.980 --> 06:09.640 We're going to be here until July 3rd, I think, 06:09.680 --> 06:10.680 and then we're staying that night, 06:10.680 --> 06:14.240 so we're going to come back to 4th for the 2600 meeting. 06:15.200 --> 06:17.200 We're going to be back in time for the 2600 meeting? 06:17.380 --> 06:18.380 That's perfect timing. 06:19.620 --> 06:20.320 So it's all good. 06:20.780 --> 06:21.260 All right. 06:22.380 --> 06:24.880 You are not only at Notre Dame. 06:24.920 --> 06:26.540 You're in the dorms at Notre Dame right now. 06:26.540 --> 06:28.220 We actually get to live in a dorm 06:28.220 --> 06:32.500 because the camp is kind of supposed to simulate a dorm life, 06:32.580 --> 06:34.360 a college life, which I think it is so far, 06:34.400 --> 06:35.260 and I like it a lot. 06:35.520 --> 06:38.900 So, I mean, give me this instead of, like, fucking high school. 06:38.900 --> 06:41.340 Well, you know, they are giving you – 06:41.340 --> 06:42.820 I think it's really cool that they're doing that. 06:42.920 --> 06:45.660 You know, it's a great way to give you a taste of what it is like. 06:45.980 --> 06:47.720 But, you know, I don't know. 06:47.740 --> 06:50.360 It sounds a little bit like – I won't say propaganda, 06:50.480 --> 06:51.600 but they're doing a little mind-washing, 06:51.660 --> 06:53.340 and they're trying to convince you that you need 06:53.340 --> 06:54.720 and should come to Notre Dame. 06:55.200 --> 06:57.100 Are they giving you an idea of – 06:57.100 --> 06:57.320 No. 06:57.640 --> 06:59.340 I mean, for high school, like college life, 06:59.400 --> 07:00.160 I mean, they give you – 07:00.160 --> 07:01.660 it's, of course, easier. 07:02.300 --> 07:04.820 But I thought it was weird because I thought it was, like, 07:05.320 --> 07:08.240 kind of average, a little above average of high school. 07:08.240 --> 07:10.600 But when I come here and, like, 07:10.720 --> 07:13.900 some kids and some professors are impressed with what I do, 07:14.280 --> 07:15.360 I'm like, damn, I'm good. 07:15.780 --> 07:16.960 I mean, not to just prop myself, 07:17.120 --> 07:19.360 but, I mean, I've seen that, like, 07:19.420 --> 07:21.560 that some of the professors, like, say wow sometimes, 07:21.980 --> 07:23.860 and I think that's kind of cool, so. 07:24.820 --> 07:26.880 Yeah, well, yeah, I'd say so, especially – 07:26.880 --> 07:28.280 I mean, Notre Dame's a great school. 07:28.380 --> 07:28.880 Don't get me wrong. 07:28.920 --> 07:30.120 It's a great institution. 07:30.120 --> 07:33.960 But here, here's the cool thing about this recording, 07:34.520 --> 07:40.880 because the payphone in the booth I'm here sounds like crap when we're recording. 07:41.480 --> 07:45.080 So what I did was, well, I'm the freak scout. 07:45.380 --> 07:47.960 Well, you are in a payphone right now, right? 07:48.360 --> 07:49.500 I'm in a payphone booth. 07:50.040 --> 07:50.840 You're in the booth. 07:50.840 --> 07:51.720 I'm using the payphone. 07:51.900 --> 07:52.760 I see. 07:53.280 --> 07:56.900 I'm using the phone that came out of a locked room 07:56.900 --> 07:59.080 that actually has dial tones in it. 07:59.540 --> 08:01.960 So I just called up Stink, and he's got the show. 08:02.420 --> 08:06.040 But the cord is too short, 08:06.200 --> 08:09.940 so what I did was, being a good freak scout, as Stink has called me, 08:10.300 --> 08:12.240 I brought a phone, and I brought phone cable, 08:12.720 --> 08:15.520 so I just plugged that into the back of the phone that's over there 08:15.520 --> 08:17.080 because it's one of those cool data ports. 08:17.720 --> 08:19.460 So I ran into the phone booth, 08:19.800 --> 08:22.360 and I'm in my own little enclosed room so no one bothers me. 08:23.460 --> 08:25.860 Freak Scout is the same motto as the Boy Scouts. 08:25.980 --> 08:28.880 It's just that when you're prepared, you're prepared with different materials. 08:28.980 --> 08:32.520 Who needs all the little pots and pans and backpack? 08:32.720 --> 08:33.580 Bring the phone. 08:33.820 --> 08:35.460 Bring the beige box. 08:35.620 --> 08:37.100 Bring all your other equipment. 08:37.560 --> 08:37.800 Yeah. 08:38.120 --> 08:40.280 So you're actually in a payphone booth, 08:40.280 --> 08:43.880 but you're on a phone basically rolled across the floor, rolled across the room? 08:44.300 --> 08:45.340 Yeah, basically that's it. 08:45.460 --> 08:48.440 So that sounds like an episode of Brady Bunch or something. 08:50.080 --> 08:52.380 So have you run into the hunchback, by the way? 08:53.000 --> 08:53.660 No, not yet. 08:53.780 --> 08:53.980 No? 08:54.120 --> 08:55.100 Keep an eye out for him, man. 08:55.120 --> 08:58.560 I heard he comes and likes molest kids in the dorms while they're sleeping. 08:58.920 --> 08:59.660 I've heard that too. 08:59.740 --> 09:00.960 I think baby one got hit already. 09:01.040 --> 09:01.520 I'm not sure. 09:01.740 --> 09:02.240 All right. 09:02.660 --> 09:03.580 At least somebody got lucky. 09:04.060 --> 09:04.340 Yeah. 09:04.340 --> 09:06.820 So you're going to be there for another week. 09:07.480 --> 09:10.000 I know you called me a couple times for the payphone, 09:10.160 --> 09:14.140 but you also had, didn't you have a nice little adventure on the first day you were there? 09:14.220 --> 09:17.060 I got a call from you at about, like what, 11 o'clock at night? 09:17.540 --> 09:22.280 Yeah, the first day, basically that was a Sunday and everyone started showing up and everyone was there. 09:23.280 --> 09:25.960 What Notre Dame has got, they got something kind of funky. 09:26.180 --> 09:31.160 What happens is when you plug your wireless in or when you plug the Ethernet into the phone, 09:31.480 --> 09:34.020 to the wall jack you have here in every room, 09:34.280 --> 09:37.640 every room has like two or three Ethernet jacks at a full 100 megabits. 09:37.760 --> 09:38.120 That's nice. 09:38.640 --> 09:41.560 Anyways, I plugged it in and then at the first website, 09:41.700 --> 09:45.480 even though on my homepage is like whatever the Apple homepage is, 09:46.560 --> 09:50.360 you get the Notre Dame connection registration page. 09:51.500 --> 09:52.940 So what happened was... 09:52.940 --> 09:54.820 Is this a pop-up or a redirection? 09:55.000 --> 09:58.380 This is a redirection completely, which led me on to what we did with it. 09:59.180 --> 10:02.700 So I kind of give up on the whole thing, starting to meet any other campers and stuff. 10:02.980 --> 10:05.680 But later that night, I'm getting pissed because I want the Internet. 10:05.680 --> 10:10.880 So what I did was, well, I thought since it's forwarding me, 10:11.340 --> 10:17.620 it has to be something like taking whatever name I'm putting in and then bringing me to another page. 10:17.840 --> 10:18.720 This would be to the DNS. 10:18.960 --> 10:19.960 That's the first thing I thought. 10:20.620 --> 10:21.900 So I didn't... 10:21.900 --> 10:24.780 But I thought, well, if it's just the DNS, I should be able to ping something. 10:25.140 --> 10:26.040 It's like not like a real... 10:26.040 --> 10:28.740 Like as you said when I called you, a real connection authentication. 10:29.120 --> 10:29.920 Right, right. 10:29.960 --> 10:30.680 I'll ping one, basically. 10:31.100 --> 10:33.220 So what I did was give Stank a call. 10:33.220 --> 10:36.860 I said, I need an IP address. 10:36.860 --> 10:37.440 I need some IP address. 10:37.520 --> 10:40.500 I got the Google IP address and I got the StankDawg.com IP address. 10:40.640 --> 10:41.100 Yeah, yeah. 10:41.620 --> 10:41.960 Yep. 10:42.440 --> 10:44.500 And what I did was I had the wireless hooked up. 10:44.680 --> 10:49.860 So I was outside, pointed to my room, hooked on, ping Google, and it worked. 10:50.400 --> 10:51.820 Ping the IP to Google, and that worked. 10:52.160 --> 10:53.680 So I knew it had to be through the DNS. 10:53.680 --> 10:57.560 So what I did was, first of all, I tried loading up. 10:57.880 --> 10:59.020 Actually, this is the cool part. 10:59.480 --> 11:03.560 I had a Linux box in my room, hooked up, forwarding all this stuff. 11:03.620 --> 11:09.280 What I did was I SSHed into that, then used links to go to Google through the IP address, 11:09.320 --> 11:09.920 and that worked. 11:10.340 --> 11:11.240 So I knew that was going to work. 11:11.240 --> 11:13.160 So all I did was I came back to my dorm. 11:13.920 --> 11:15.280 All the kids were extremely happy. 11:15.460 --> 11:21.140 So all I did was using my, oh, I'm just propping myself here again, the ONP script, 11:22.080 --> 11:25.460 the human-readable and math parser that I wrote. 11:25.880 --> 11:26.360 Right. 11:26.440 --> 11:27.560 From wintermeet.net. 11:27.780 --> 11:29.040 Available at your website. 11:29.300 --> 11:30.400 Available at wintermeet.net. 11:30.440 --> 11:31.040 That's one of the three. 11:31.700 --> 11:35.060 Anyways, wrote that, came out with all the domain servers. 11:35.160 --> 11:37.240 There are 44 domain servers on campus. 11:37.240 --> 11:42.080 I picked the first one, plugged in into my DNS server, internet access, straight up. 11:42.740 --> 11:44.600 Wow, there's 44 on camp? 11:44.620 --> 11:45.040 44. 11:45.800 --> 11:46.120 Wow. 11:46.800 --> 11:52.260 Now, I can tell you from experience that, yes, they are fragmented a lot of times in the 11:52.260 --> 11:59.080 university setting, but it's usually because the universities are very departmentalized sometimes. 11:59.320 --> 12:07.080 So one person may block certain domains and stuff like that, or they may have just any number 12:07.080 --> 12:09.700 of reasons to set up their own DNS. 12:09.980 --> 12:15.340 So I've seen that, you know, sometimes I can see maybe dozens, but 44, that's a lot. 12:16.700 --> 12:18.420 Yeah, I haven't checked any of them out, too. 12:18.520 --> 12:24.120 I just, the first one, the DNS, the DSP server gave me, that was the one that was checking 12:24.120 --> 12:28.860 everyone, but all I did was change the DNS, and everyone that night was very happy with 12:28.860 --> 12:29.860 me after I did that, so. 12:30.800 --> 12:34.980 Yeah, you, so you, you were, you're like the Robin Hood, you brought free internet, you 12:34.980 --> 12:37.520 brought the wireless internet to the, the masses. 12:37.940 --> 12:46.860 Exactly, and there's an article that wrote, entitled, was it, how I hacked Notre Dame, quote 12:46.860 --> 12:48.900 unquote, connection registration in 10 seconds. 12:48.900 --> 12:52.520 Yeah, you own Notre Dame in less than a day. 12:53.000 --> 12:53.320 Yes. 12:53.700 --> 12:54.920 Now, what does that say? 12:55.520 --> 12:56.220 That's good. 12:56.500 --> 13:00.720 Yeah, well, you know, actually, you know, they, they didn't, they didn't sound like they 13:00.720 --> 13:01.260 went out of their way. 13:01.340 --> 13:04.240 I mean, all you're doing is surfing the web. 13:04.420 --> 13:07.700 I mean, it's, you know, it's cool that you got around it and everything, but they don't 13:07.700 --> 13:09.120 sound like they really tried that hard. 13:09.200 --> 13:10.780 I don't really think it's a reflection on them. 13:10.840 --> 13:14.100 I think it's more of a reflection that you knew enough about what you were doing to get 13:14.100 --> 13:14.600 around it. 13:14.860 --> 13:15.220 Exactly. 13:15.220 --> 13:19.600 So, I, I think they probably really wouldn't care anyway, but they just put up, like, one 13:19.600 --> 13:20.500 of those false fronts. 13:20.600 --> 13:24.040 They just tried to act like they were stopping you, but they wouldn't care. 13:24.280 --> 13:28.360 It's also funny because, uh, this is going to be a good, uh, conversation topic when I 13:28.360 --> 13:30.180 meet the computer security guy here. 13:31.460 --> 13:36.140 Yeah, you might, uh, that's going to be, that could be awkward, depending on how he reacts. 13:36.460 --> 13:36.880 We'll see. 13:37.020 --> 13:42.200 If, if he's, uh, they're going to scream, well, fuck this, this is, what am I going to do? 13:42.340 --> 13:44.660 Or be very happy that I showed this to him. 13:45.460 --> 13:46.600 Attempt to fix it. 13:47.340 --> 13:51.220 Or, again, like I say, you may just leave it alone because how many people would be able 13:51.220 --> 13:52.240 to figure that out, you know? 13:52.280 --> 13:53.480 Exactly, or it doesn't give a shit. 13:53.660 --> 13:57.800 Yeah, they, they just want to, as long as they block out 99% of the people, you know, 13:57.840 --> 13:59.540 that, that's probably good enough for them. 13:59.600 --> 14:04.920 They probably, you know, they're, most universities are, are underfunded or, or, of course, Notre 14:04.920 --> 14:06.460 Dame's a private university, is that right? 14:06.720 --> 14:07.180 That's true. 14:07.280 --> 14:11.520 So, they actually don't have a lot of the financial problems that others do, but the thing, 14:11.520 --> 14:15.920 the reason that universities are, usually get labeled with that poor security and stuff 14:15.920 --> 14:19.680 is because they don't really have the funds to dedicate and have a security team and have 14:19.680 --> 14:23.660 security officers, or if they do, they have just a couple of them, not, and there's just 14:23.660 --> 14:25.240 far, far too many servers. 14:25.240 --> 14:34.440 Like you said, 44 different, um, DNS servers on campus, you know, just to maintain 44 servers 14:34.440 --> 14:38.400 like that is just phenomenal amount of work, just time consuming, you know? 14:38.540 --> 14:42.820 So, imagine that plus all the web servers that are scattered about campus and all the 14:42.820 --> 14:48.160 FTP servers and all the streaming media servers and yada, yada, yada, yada, all the stuff going 14:48.160 --> 14:48.840 around on campus. 14:48.840 --> 14:53.820 It's just, you know, it's a lot of time consuming work and, and most universities don't have the 14:53.820 --> 14:56.240 funding to properly take care of that. 14:57.320 --> 14:58.520 Yeah, I feel that. 14:58.580 --> 15:01.360 Well, maybe if I go here, I'll, I'll spruce it up a bit. 15:01.600 --> 15:02.340 Well, there you go. 15:02.680 --> 15:05.080 They need, they need volunteers like us. 15:06.940 --> 15:12.400 Um, well, you know, speaking of security, I had a little fun, uh, here about a couple weeks 15:12.400 --> 15:13.000 ago, too. 15:13.240 --> 15:18.240 Um, I think I mentioned this maybe on the forums one time, but there was a new site launched. 15:18.840 --> 15:21.900 It's called alberteinstein.info. 15:22.040 --> 15:24.160 It's one of those new .info extensions. 15:25.180 --> 15:28.960 Um, and it's basically, it's run by, by a university, if I remember. 15:29.060 --> 15:31.540 I'm not, I don't remember which university was sponsoring it. 15:32.000 --> 15:35.480 But, uh, it's a site on, on Albert Einstein, obviously. 15:35.900 --> 15:42.740 Um, the funny thing about it was, it was announced coming soon. 15:43.220 --> 15:47.220 So, um, it was nothing but a placeholder page there for quite a while. 15:47.220 --> 15:52.700 Now, so, um, being the little nosy hacker that I am, I started nosing around through 15:52.700 --> 15:58.360 their pages, doing some view sources, et cetera, and, um, just kind of footprinting the system 15:58.360 --> 15:58.860 a little bit. 15:59.580 --> 16:04.580 The front page, as soon as you do a view source on it, you can see right away that it was written 16:04.580 --> 16:05.640 in Microsoft Word. 16:06.220 --> 16:12.060 And you know, easily you can tell that because you see all those, uh, custom and, and, uh, 16:12.060 --> 16:14.100 proprietary Microsoft tags in there. 16:14.100 --> 16:16.020 A bunch of XML stuff at the beginning. 16:16.380 --> 16:18.200 It's kind of, it's crazy stuff. 16:18.200 --> 16:21.100 Yeah, it just puts way too much overkill information. 16:21.540 --> 16:26.180 And it's, and it's all proprietary stuff that the Internet Explorer browser will then turn 16:26.180 --> 16:26.900 around and interpret. 16:27.300 --> 16:32.100 You know, they only work, you know, Microsoft tags will only work with the IE browser. 16:32.260 --> 16:38.640 The others either haven't or won't or, you know, and, and shouldn't have to, uh, have support 16:38.640 --> 16:41.800 just for Microsoft products, uh, tags. 16:41.960 --> 16:48.540 So, um, it's, it, you know, it's, it's made and designed to, to look better in, in, um, 16:48.760 --> 16:49.560 Internet Explorer. 16:49.780 --> 16:57.260 So, um, the thing is that, and by the way, there's a great footprinting article in issue 16:57.260 --> 16:58.880 one of Binary Revolution magazine. 16:59.440 --> 17:02.200 Not to be confused with Binary Revolution radio. 17:03.240 --> 17:07.180 Well, actually, maybe they could be confused because we are the same people, right? 17:07.560 --> 17:08.200 Yeah, well. 17:08.200 --> 17:09.500 Last time I checked, it worked. 17:09.720 --> 17:09.860 All right. 17:09.940 --> 17:11.960 So, hopefully, if they like one, they'll like the other. 17:12.140 --> 17:15.600 But, on the other hand, maybe if they don't like one, they won't like the other either. 17:15.700 --> 17:16.640 But, that's neither here nor there. 17:17.180 --> 17:23.460 Um, also, I was digging into their server, and they were running, at the time, uh, Microsoft 17:23.460 --> 17:24.320 IIS. 17:25.640 --> 17:32.100 And the funny part about that was, not only were they running IIS, but guess which server platform 17:32.100 --> 17:32.900 they were running it on. 17:32.960 --> 17:35.840 Obviously, you know what company was running the platform, but. 17:35.840 --> 17:38.840 Perhaps, 2003? 17:39.180 --> 17:39.920 There you go. 17:40.060 --> 17:41.620 Geez, I wonder how you knew that. 17:41.960 --> 17:42.660 I don't know. 17:43.100 --> 17:43.760 Lucky guess. 17:44.080 --> 17:51.380 But, the funny thing is, at the time this placeholder page was up, Microsoft server 2003 17:51.380 --> 17:52.860 hadn't been released yet. 17:53.260 --> 17:55.000 I wonder how they got a copy. 17:55.000 --> 18:03.080 How in the world could they have been running a production version of 2003 server unless 18:03.080 --> 18:07.400 they had, oh, pirate, excuse me, sorry, sorry, I coughed on radio. 18:07.480 --> 18:13.420 I know that's bad radio, but I just had something, oh, pirates, in my throat that I had to clear 18:13.420 --> 18:13.860 out, okay. 18:14.980 --> 18:21.000 Um, but you know, not only that, back, you know, just using some of their, their, well, 18:21.160 --> 18:26.880 back to Word, just as, as an HTML browser, it's, it's terrible, terrible that it uses all 18:26.880 --> 18:27.460 these tags. 18:27.560 --> 18:33.020 Besides now that they're going with the XML, Word, and specifically, puts in all the Microsoft 18:33.020 --> 18:33.440 Word. 18:33.440 --> 18:38.640 If you've ever looked at a .doc, one of the Microsoft Word document files. 18:38.920 --> 18:40.480 There's a page of crap before everything. 18:40.640 --> 18:45.960 Yeah, if you, you can go to file properties, open anything, open one of my articles in .doc 18:45.960 --> 18:53.500 format from stankdawg.com articles pages, download one of my .doc files, and you go to file properties, 18:53.620 --> 18:57.380 and you will see it has a lot of fields, and they are embedded into that file. 18:57.680 --> 19:02.840 You'll see a lot of fields, like author, you can see number of revisions, you can see time 19:02.840 --> 19:09.360 spent writing the document, and, um, all kinds of information, and when you, in turn, use 19:09.360 --> 19:12.840 that to publish a web page, and they, they really do push that. 19:12.900 --> 19:16.860 They try to say that Microsoft Word's a great HTML publisher, wrong answer. 19:17.540 --> 19:23.920 Um, when you publish a page with that, it publishes all those tags out on the HTML of 19:23.920 --> 19:28.880 the page, and if you do a view source, for example, on that site, you will see, I can see 19:28.880 --> 19:31.120 the author's name, right there in the text. 19:31.260 --> 19:33.400 I saw their license key. 19:34.780 --> 19:37.660 You know, I don't have to get pirated copies or a key generator. 19:38.040 --> 19:43.140 Their license key was embedded in the code of their page, and I really should be an ass 19:43.140 --> 19:46.120 and read it on the air, but, you know, I'd probably get in a lot of trouble, so. 19:46.480 --> 19:48.500 And it's like, it's stupid. 19:48.660 --> 19:49.520 Isn't that just stupid? 19:49.720 --> 19:50.580 It's below stupid. 19:50.580 --> 19:53.880 It's, it's just, yeah, it's just amazing. 19:54.100 --> 19:57.680 Uh, I'll read the author's name, Radar Epp, whoever that is, EPP. 19:58.320 --> 19:59.600 Great job, Radar Epp. 19:59.720 --> 20:02.100 So he ripped off, he probably ripped off Word as well. 20:02.320 --> 20:06.160 Hey, I wonder if we can get some money if we were to, uh, uh, send him in, narc him out, 20:06.180 --> 20:11.300 because, you know, I obey Project Tips, so I just feel the need that, you know, this 20:11.300 --> 20:14.140 guy, he's pirating 2003, he needs to be reported. 20:14.760 --> 20:16.420 Exactly, I mean, yeah, it would. 20:17.160 --> 20:19.640 Well, alright, I think I'll let him slide this time. 20:19.880 --> 20:23.320 Let's assume maybe it was a, uh, uh, preview copy. 20:23.760 --> 20:26.360 Yeah, it was a beta or a preview or something that he was using. 20:26.440 --> 20:27.560 We'll give him the benefit of the doubt. 20:27.900 --> 20:28.120 Yeah. 20:28.920 --> 20:32.560 Unfortunately, nobody ever seems to give us, hackers of the world, the benefit of the doubt, 20:32.640 --> 20:34.980 but, you know, two wrongs don't make a right. 20:36.620 --> 20:41.760 So, the moral of the story, you know, actually, what I use for, to, to write my code is, um, 20:41.900 --> 20:42.980 Dreamweaver MX. 20:43.680 --> 20:44.140 Is it good? 20:44.500 --> 20:45.580 It actually has. 20:45.580 --> 20:47.080 This is so sad. 20:47.240 --> 20:49.240 This is just a sad, pathetic thing to have. 20:49.780 --> 20:55.140 It has a function in there called Cleanup MS HTML. 20:56.320 --> 21:02.080 You can take, and I do that a lot of times, you can take code and, um, like, say I download 21:02.080 --> 21:06.740 a page, even, for example, this AlbertEinstein.info, which, by the way, is now running on an Apache, 21:06.740 --> 21:13.900 running on an Apache, uh, uh, internet server, and, uh, uh, Unix server running Apache, and, 21:14.020 --> 21:16.380 um, all the codes have been kind of removed. 21:16.460 --> 21:20.480 There's still always, there's always interesting stuff inside the code, but they did finally 21:20.480 --> 21:21.740 take off the Microsoft stuff. 21:21.740 --> 21:25.220 So, um, anybody going there now is not going to find the same good stuff. 21:26.100 --> 21:31.880 But, um, I use Dreamweaver MX, and sometimes I will have people have written stuff in Word 21:31.880 --> 21:34.180 that'll want me to, hey, can you tell me what's wrong with this? 21:34.240 --> 21:35.480 Can you take a look at this for me? 21:36.080 --> 21:39.860 I import this shit in, strip the Microsoft out of it, and sometimes it'll work right 21:39.860 --> 21:40.140 away. 21:40.880 --> 21:43.620 The Microsoft code is just so, that bad sometimes. 21:44.080 --> 21:49.540 But, um, yeah, I, I strip out all the Microsoft tags, any excess tags, and, but it's a shame 21:49.540 --> 21:55.140 that there's a piece of software, some programmers, you know they had requests from people. 21:55.560 --> 21:57.960 What would you like us to add to the next version of Dreamweaver? 21:58.340 --> 22:02.540 Well, could you please make something that strips out all the Microsoft crap from my code? 22:02.540 --> 22:07.140 I mean, if that's what they put in just the HTML, what about any application that you 22:07.140 --> 22:10.780 develop with Visual Studio, or, or any of their programming languages? 22:10.900 --> 22:12.580 Does it put all kinds of code in there too? 22:13.160 --> 22:13.520 Maybe. 22:14.160 --> 22:18.200 See, I, I don't want to go too far on this, but I have a conspiracy theory. 22:19.140 --> 22:25.220 I think that every single thing that you make and build and compile with Visual Studio, or 22:25.220 --> 22:30.820 Visual C++, or Visual Basic, or what, any of the Microsoft compilers, I think there is 22:30.820 --> 22:33.600 code embedded into those EXE files. 22:34.460 --> 22:35.320 I really do. 22:35.400 --> 22:38.100 When they compile, I think it probably throws some stuff in there. 22:38.300 --> 22:43.180 If you ever publish anything to the web, or publish anything, I bet you, I wouldn't, it 22:43.180 --> 22:47.800 wouldn't surprise me one bit if Microsoft could decompile that code, decompile their own stuff. 22:47.820 --> 22:51.080 There's no public decompilers that they'd ever release, but I bet you they can tell. 22:51.080 --> 22:55.120 I bet you they go out every once in a while, search the web, find different things, and they 22:55.120 --> 22:59.960 probably have a big database of people who have unlicensed copies of these different 22:59.960 --> 23:00.780 programs. 23:01.080 --> 23:01.280 True. 23:01.840 --> 23:03.980 And that's, you know, that's kind of scary. 23:05.780 --> 23:08.280 Well, I mean, it's, it is possible. 23:08.400 --> 23:13.060 I mean, they could just inject stuff right before you, you compile it, like you, you're adding 23:13.060 --> 23:15.760 like certain library files, like it just slips one in there. 23:15.960 --> 23:16.400 Absolutely. 23:16.400 --> 23:24.180 Just puts like, date stamp, time stamp, computer, CD key, everything in there, and just puts 23:24.180 --> 23:28.960 it in there, and then like, let's say you try to make a, see what, compare, maybe a good 23:28.960 --> 23:35.380 way to do it, it might be possible, but compile something like just an int main, and then just 23:35.380 --> 23:41.400 nothing in it, and then compile it on a visual studio, and then compile it in like GCC or 23:41.400 --> 23:46.960 something, and see if there's a file difference, A, and if it's noticeable, then, I mean, there 23:46.960 --> 23:47.720 has to be something else. 23:48.060 --> 23:53.600 Yeah, yeah, and you know, and it, it not, it may not even be noticeable, it may just be a serial 23:53.600 --> 23:57.020 number or something like that, or a code that says, you know, some kind of code that says 23:57.020 --> 24:01.560 registered, you know, maybe a two or three K, or two or three byte difference, I should 24:01.560 --> 24:01.840 say. 24:02.080 --> 24:02.320 Yeah. 24:02.460 --> 24:06.380 You know, so, it'd be kind of hard to tell, I mean, it has to be illegal, it's probably 24:06.380 --> 24:10.880 just me being real, real paranoid as usual, but, you know, it just wouldn't surprise me 24:10.880 --> 24:11.960 if it happened, that's all I'm saying. 24:12.320 --> 24:12.580 Yeah. 24:15.200 --> 24:18.920 Let's see, you know what, I was reading the other day, something, something else scary, 24:19.020 --> 24:24.680 something, you know, there's always things going on from our government, and just, and 24:24.680 --> 24:29.620 our society is general, it's just constantly degrading, the society is constantly going 24:29.620 --> 24:34.300 in the wrong direction, and, and our leaders are going in the wrong direction, and it changes 24:34.300 --> 24:38.880 the mindset of people in a way that's really, really disturbing to me sometimes. 24:38.880 --> 24:44.280 There was a virus going around called the Fizzer virus, have you heard of that one? 24:44.540 --> 24:47.300 Yeah, I read about that one, that was just kind of wacky. 24:47.620 --> 24:53.180 Yeah, Fizzer virus, you know, just in and of itself, without even going into detail of 24:53.180 --> 25:00.860 the virus, for those of you who haven't read or heard this already, the virus itself was 25:00.860 --> 25:10.060 captured and analyzed by someone, and they realized that what it was doing was, it was 25:10.060 --> 25:14.460 contacting some sites at geocities.com. 25:14.600 --> 25:18.900 Somebody had put up some temporary sites, fake sites, that this virus would contact. 25:18.900 --> 25:22.440 Well, it contacted two sites, actually. 25:23.080 --> 25:27.520 The person who wrote it, or the person who designed it, or whatever you want to say, actually 25:27.520 --> 25:29.020 didn't register the second site. 25:29.100 --> 25:33.080 Maybe he put it in there as a backup or something like that, thinking that maybe if one site 25:33.080 --> 25:36.260 was taken down, he had a backup he could switch to, and this virus would still continue. 25:37.240 --> 25:42.280 Well, I guess he didn't think that if, obviously, if he knew that, and knew that from his code, 25:42.360 --> 25:45.680 that if somebody captured and analyzed this virus, they would also find that. 25:45.680 --> 25:47.400 And that's exactly what happened. 25:47.640 --> 25:52.320 Somebody decompiled the virus, saw how it worked, and saw that it was connecting a second site. 25:52.700 --> 25:56.260 He went to geocities, and he registered that site. 25:57.080 --> 26:02.280 And he saw the way that it was calling the site, looking for updates, looking to update 26:02.280 --> 26:06.140 the virus, and what he did is he wrote a patch. 26:06.780 --> 26:10.700 And he put that patch to the virus, or the fix to the virus, or whatever you want to call 26:10.700 --> 26:15.660 it, on that site, so that when it connected to the geocities site, trying to get a patch 26:15.680 --> 26:20.680 to update itself, or register itself, or send its payload, whatever it was doing, it actually 26:20.680 --> 26:26.400 found the patch to the virus, downloaded it, and ironically, in trying to update itself, 26:26.480 --> 26:27.760 it actually killed itself. 26:28.740 --> 26:30.240 That, to me, is brilliant. 26:30.660 --> 26:31.980 I thought that was a great idea. 26:32.080 --> 26:37.120 Somebody actually saw that and beat this person, this virus writer, at their own game. 26:37.540 --> 26:38.840 And I thought that was just brilliant. 26:39.300 --> 26:45.200 But, the message that bothered me about this story, I mean, that's brilliant. 26:45.560 --> 26:49.440 That's a, I mean, is that, does that, is that not a brilliant idea? 26:49.520 --> 26:50.660 I don't know how else to say it. 26:50.880 --> 26:51.080 Yeah. 26:51.560 --> 26:51.840 I mean, it's... 26:51.840 --> 26:52.400 I read it. 26:52.440 --> 26:53.180 That was pretty funny. 26:53.400 --> 26:57.180 Personally, using a geocities site, which aren't enormously shitty. 26:57.180 --> 26:59.620 Yeah, it's, who knows why they thought it. 26:59.660 --> 27:03.480 I guess, you know, it's probably somebody who either couldn't, or didn't want to register 27:03.480 --> 27:08.640 a real site in their real name, or couldn't afford to, or whatever, but, yeah, I mean, 27:08.740 --> 27:09.780 and it was hard-coded. 27:10.520 --> 27:10.840 Okay. 27:10.860 --> 27:14.420 You know, you never want to hard-code stuff if you can help it, or at least if it updates 27:14.420 --> 27:18.040 itself, it should be able to switch them, but it was two hard-coded addresses in that 27:18.040 --> 27:18.360 code. 27:18.700 --> 27:19.000 Yeah. 27:19.000 --> 27:29.340 But the sad thing about this is the person who wrote the fix for this, okay, the person 27:29.340 --> 27:35.260 who wrote the fix for this put it up on the site, the virus that connected, everybody that 27:35.260 --> 27:38.900 had it, basically it would connect to the site, and it would clean itself out immediately. 27:39.380 --> 27:42.260 I mean, instantaneously, practically, killed the virus. 27:42.540 --> 27:42.760 Yeah. 27:42.760 --> 27:54.360 But, he actually had to stop and take the patch off of the site, because, ironically, putting 27:54.360 --> 28:00.240 a piece of software up and modifying the programs on their computer is technically, yeah, technically 28:00.240 --> 28:00.920 it's illegal. 28:01.940 --> 28:06.500 You know, the author, here's a quote, the author had a great concern that what he'd doing was 28:06.500 --> 28:06.980 illegal. 28:07.380 --> 28:11.660 Obviously, the code was being downloaded by a worm that was not meant to be on your computer. 28:11.660 --> 28:13.800 So, here he is doing a good thing. 28:14.220 --> 28:17.100 You know, people make millions of dollars in the antivirus industry. 28:17.860 --> 28:20.400 You know, this guy had figured out a way to do this for free. 28:20.520 --> 28:25.260 Sure, it was just one particular virus, worm, but it's still a great idea, and he was doing 28:25.260 --> 28:26.660 what I consider a service. 28:27.400 --> 28:29.820 I guess, you know, I guess I can see the other side of the coin. 28:29.880 --> 28:33.840 He could have actually, you know, what if he was a crappy program and he wrote something 28:33.840 --> 28:36.360 and deleted files on your end or something like that. 28:36.380 --> 28:37.540 I'd be pretty pissed about that. 28:37.540 --> 28:42.860 But still, the fear of helping is the message that I got out of this. 28:43.000 --> 28:47.880 And you should be, you know, it's like you're sending us a message that helping can get you 28:47.880 --> 28:48.220 arrested. 28:48.700 --> 28:53.340 We've already been sent the message for years that harmless things, you know, if you're 28:53.340 --> 28:57.100 just doing the most harmless little hacking ideas or harmless little things can get you 28:57.100 --> 28:57.440 arrested. 28:57.560 --> 28:59.160 We've seen that time and time again. 28:59.520 --> 29:04.320 But now doing what I can, in my opinion, of course, is a good thing that can also get 29:04.320 --> 29:06.780 you arrested, that's just, that's a shame. 29:07.240 --> 29:08.580 That's the problem with the DMCA. 29:08.680 --> 29:09.780 It's going to screw everyone up. 29:10.200 --> 29:19.100 Everyone in the academic field or trying to help someone is what I've heard said by the 29:19.100 --> 29:23.500 MIT Xbox hacker in his new book, which I have, a great book, by the way. 29:24.280 --> 29:26.580 He calls it the chilling effects of the DMCA. 29:26.740 --> 29:27.680 And a lot of people have said that. 29:27.680 --> 29:33.260 And after thinking about it, it's true because if you write something, say, I write something 29:33.260 --> 29:39.840 that diverts palladium or does something really nasty to that, but helps a lot of people, 29:40.400 --> 29:44.800 and you just read it, just simple reverse engineering or, I mean, some clever trick, you can go to 29:44.800 --> 29:45.380 jail for that. 29:46.220 --> 29:46.380 Yeah. 29:46.640 --> 29:48.820 You know, what message does that send to people? 29:48.900 --> 29:53.420 They think they're trying to be authoritative, but, you know, there's a double irony here. 29:53.420 --> 29:59.960 The guy is scared to put up his helping fixing the virus code, yet the guy who wrote the 29:59.960 --> 30:04.620 virus is probably, or girl, I guess I shouldn't say guy, the person who wrote the virus is 30:04.620 --> 30:08.640 probably running free and, you know, writing another virus right now. 30:08.980 --> 30:09.220 Yeah. 30:09.400 --> 30:11.260 You know, so, I don't know. 30:11.320 --> 30:14.120 I just, you know, generally, I'm against viruses. 30:14.280 --> 30:15.500 You know, I find them interesting. 30:16.180 --> 30:17.140 I find them very interesting. 30:17.140 --> 30:21.300 I went to the Internet and got it, namely, well, the problem is that, first of all, he 30:21.300 --> 30:22.500 didn't secure both sites. 30:23.120 --> 30:26.920 Second of all, you really can't rely on the thing being on the Internet the whole time. 30:27.580 --> 30:31.220 I mean, it was interesting, but it's poorly executed. 30:31.520 --> 30:31.820 Right. 30:32.360 --> 30:32.600 Right. 30:32.680 --> 30:33.260 Just, yeah. 30:33.640 --> 30:36.940 You know, sometimes I just, what was the goal of this, too? 30:36.980 --> 30:40.340 I don't know what the goal of this virus was, just to spread, you know, as a worm to just 30:40.340 --> 30:41.360 see how long it can live. 30:41.360 --> 30:45.740 But, usually, when people are writing worms, it's for, A, to see the number of infections 30:45.740 --> 30:49.860 they can get, how far can they spread it, how long can it last, is the second thing. 30:50.220 --> 30:51.600 How long can they make this thing? 30:51.780 --> 30:55.560 I still, on occasion, believe it or not, come across the stoned virus. 30:56.300 --> 30:59.400 I've still seen people who come up, they'll be working, and they just get a message, your 30:59.400 --> 31:00.320 computer is stoned. 31:00.840 --> 31:03.820 I still see that to this day, and I remember that when I was in high school. 31:04.020 --> 31:07.180 So, that's, you know, that's been around for years, so. 31:07.180 --> 31:11.480 And, uh, it's usually a secondary motive, which I've seen before, as a political function. 31:13.600 --> 31:17.480 Yeah, well, and that's, that's more when people are defacing websites to put up their 31:17.480 --> 31:18.860 political messages and stuff like that. 31:18.860 --> 31:19.600 We all have a history. 31:20.080 --> 31:20.360 Yeah. 31:20.380 --> 31:21.760 Defacement, defacement sites. 31:22.220 --> 31:22.560 Yeah. 31:23.300 --> 31:28.940 Um, you know, speaking of the DMCA, since you brought it up, um, DMCA strikes again. 31:29.480 --> 31:30.820 Um, let's see here. 31:31.140 --> 31:33.940 We had, there were seven Hollywood movie studios. 31:33.940 --> 31:41.280 They're suing, uh, 321 Studios, saying that its software violates the 1998 Digital Millennium 31:41.280 --> 31:47.380 Copyright Act, which, of course, prohibits the circumvention of anti-piracy measures, such 31:47.380 --> 31:51.520 as Content Scramble System, or CSS, protecting movies on DVD. 31:53.100 --> 31:58.540 Um, you need, you need a software key inside DVD players to view the movie. 31:58.540 --> 32:05.000 321 Studios has allegedly violated the law by distributing that key in its software, sold 32:05.000 --> 32:08.760 under names like DVD Copy Plus and DVD X Copy. 32:09.600 --> 32:11.940 So, anytime, you know where I see those most of all? 32:11.960 --> 32:14.860 I get spam for those, those products all the time. 32:14.920 --> 32:21.440 I get spam messages of, copy all your DVDs to CDR and, and copy DVDs to, for your own, you 32:21.440 --> 32:21.600 know. 32:21.600 --> 32:25.900 I get tons of junk mail about those, so I hate that, just because they're spammers. 32:26.900 --> 32:32.980 However, you know, it's a piece of software, and I don't really see, you, it actually, I 32:32.980 --> 32:34.320 would love to be able to make copies. 32:34.400 --> 32:36.660 I have a huge DVD collection. 32:37.220 --> 32:41.560 You know, I've got a lot of, really obscure, I, I buy a lot of, uh, movies from Hong Kong. 32:41.660 --> 32:45.380 I like a lot of the, uh, you know, I guess people call them corny kung fu movies. 32:45.380 --> 32:51.840 I get a lot of, uh, um, British comedies on DVD, so I, obviously I have a region-free 32:51.840 --> 32:58.060 player, because, A, I hate that whole scenario, because I'm a fan of, of, uh, movies from other 32:58.060 --> 32:58.460 countries. 32:58.600 --> 33:01.920 They want me to buy a DVD player from each one of those regions to play them. 33:01.920 --> 33:05.540 They only get, like, for some of them, it says, you only have five changes of region. 33:05.840 --> 33:06.240 Yeah. 33:07.360 --> 33:10.860 That, that's, you know, I don't even want to go off on that tangent. 33:10.980 --> 33:12.100 That, that's been beaten to death. 33:12.100 --> 33:15.500 That's, you know, ridiculous stuff that the MPAA tries to pull. 33:15.600 --> 33:17.260 They want full control over everything. 33:17.800 --> 33:22.720 But, you know, I'm not going to go into that, but, but here we are with another example of 33:22.720 --> 33:28.360 how software that could have a very valid use, that could be used for an absolutely 33:28.360 --> 33:30.760 valid purpose, is getting sued. 33:30.840 --> 33:35.460 I mean, you, you make software, you make a package, which there is, there must be some 33:35.460 --> 33:36.220 demand for. 33:36.380 --> 33:37.840 I mean, the stuff sells really well. 33:37.880 --> 33:39.260 I've seen plenty of people buy it. 33:39.260 --> 33:44.940 Um, I mean, I, I, I also believe the software works well, too, because it all does just, 33:45.480 --> 33:49.920 um, it, the software in itself allows you to copy DVDs, obviously. 33:50.300 --> 33:50.560 Mm-hmm. 33:50.560 --> 33:54.620 But, I mean, what I've heard, the software is beautiful, and I've heard it on TV shows 33:54.620 --> 33:55.360 talked about stuff. 33:55.940 --> 33:58.460 And it's funny that this, this, this thing is funny. 33:58.560 --> 34:02.500 It was on, the guy that wrote it was on, actually, on the tech TV show, the screensavers. 34:02.500 --> 34:07.120 And, um, I believe they're, they're, they're going to go to the Supreme Court for this kind 34:07.120 --> 34:08.540 of stuff, aren't they? 34:09.320 --> 34:11.440 Well, they, let's see here. 34:11.500 --> 34:16.160 It says, it says, what a DVD player does and what our product does are exactly the same thing. 34:16.220 --> 34:20.240 That was, uh, a representative told, uh, U.S. District Judge. 34:20.240 --> 34:25.480 The question is not whether we have the authority, it's whether the users have the authority to 34:25.480 --> 34:26.740 access the content. 34:27.660 --> 34:28.900 So, yes, it's in the court system. 34:28.980 --> 34:33.180 I don't know how long, how high it is or how long it's been, you know, I think this is fairly 34:33.180 --> 34:33.580 recent. 34:34.200 --> 34:40.540 Um, but the simple fact that it's, you know, I guess, I guess when there is a, uh, conflict 34:40.540 --> 34:45.480 like this, I guess our legal, our judicial system, I should say, is, is how this stuff is 34:45.480 --> 34:45.920 determined. 34:45.920 --> 34:49.420 But, you know, how long is it going to take and how high is it going to go? 34:49.480 --> 34:50.500 And this is taxpayer money. 34:50.600 --> 34:55.200 The longer this stays in courts and the longer they try to fight, the more money it takes. 34:55.260 --> 34:59.960 The more of my tax money is enveloped paying for these people to fight these little bullshit 34:59.960 --> 35:01.020 law, uh, things. 35:01.460 --> 35:05.260 And the DMCA has got so many claims. 35:05.400 --> 35:08.720 People are, are crawling and hiding under this DMCA umbrella. 35:09.140 --> 35:10.740 It's, it's just sickening. 35:11.020 --> 35:14.580 It's a sickening law and it's eating up mine and your tax money. 35:14.580 --> 35:16.600 Nobody going to stuff like this. 35:16.800 --> 35:17.660 And it's pathetic. 35:17.840 --> 35:18.620 It's really pathetic. 35:19.380 --> 35:28.020 Um, you know, they're, they make these broad sweeping laws that are just vague, all encompassing. 35:28.080 --> 35:29.600 They don't have proper limits. 35:29.900 --> 35:35.700 They were written without proper understanding and education of how things work and what the 35:35.700 --> 35:37.540 results of these laws and things are going to be. 35:37.600 --> 35:42.800 They just, you know, I, I, I truly believe that there are people in Congress that don't know 35:42.800 --> 35:46.740 the first damn thing about DVDs and about the NPA. 35:46.880 --> 35:50.360 And they don't, they sign this stuff because it sounds good. 35:50.700 --> 35:52.620 Or because they've been lobbied too. 35:53.320 --> 35:53.720 Absolutely. 35:53.960 --> 35:56.540 They have special interest groups that come in there. 35:56.620 --> 35:58.400 And gee, what would be a big special interest group? 35:58.500 --> 36:00.920 Maybe the Motion Picture Association of America? 36:01.020 --> 36:01.860 Would they be pretty big? 36:02.640 --> 36:04.660 Do you think they'd be lobbying with a lot of money? 36:05.320 --> 36:05.540 Mm-hmm. 36:05.720 --> 36:06.080 Definitely. 36:06.080 --> 36:09.700 They, like, they see a law coming by, they want, they get enough people, they buy enough 36:09.700 --> 36:09.960 drinks. 36:10.580 --> 36:11.100 They're set. 36:11.400 --> 36:11.660 Yep. 36:11.960 --> 36:12.220 Yep. 36:12.280 --> 36:16.560 They just slip a little money under the table, have, put some money in the old campaign fund. 36:17.000 --> 36:17.320 Exactly. 36:17.580 --> 36:21.540 You know, that, and that's, you know, like I said earlier in the show, it's, it's a sad 36:21.540 --> 36:22.160 state of affairs. 36:22.260 --> 36:23.740 We're going downhill in this country. 36:23.740 --> 36:23.940 Um. 36:23.940 --> 36:27.360 Let's say, Chris, the political side, let's go back to the hacking. 36:27.560 --> 36:28.920 Yeah, yeah, let's stay on the hacking. 36:29.100 --> 36:32.840 Let's, the, the, the, well, you know, this is digital rights. 36:32.940 --> 36:36.340 This is, this is something that's very important to hackers because it does affect us. 36:36.760 --> 36:40.780 Um, they're going to make these laws, and people like you and I as hackers, if we develop 36:40.780 --> 36:44.900 a program to copy our private DVDs, look at DECSS. 36:44.900 --> 36:51.360 That is a classic application of digital rights and how laws and politics, unfortunately, 36:51.660 --> 36:52.460 do play a hand. 36:52.460 --> 36:58.600 You cannot write a program, basically, they wrote a program to play DVDs under Lennox. 36:59.400 --> 37:01.340 What the fuck is wrong with that? 37:01.420 --> 37:04.000 Please explain to me why that's illegal. 37:04.840 --> 37:07.060 There is no, there's no legal against that. 37:07.100 --> 37:10.140 The only problem is there's a bunch of people that say, you're going to have to give me 37:10.140 --> 37:11.760 a hundred bucks before you can play a DVD. 37:12.160 --> 37:12.660 End of story. 37:12.940 --> 37:15.040 Yeah, and, and, you know, that, that is possible. 37:15.260 --> 37:19.620 You know, we can speak about politics if it's affecting us as hackers, and I think the 37:19.620 --> 37:21.800 DMCA absolutely does. 37:21.800 --> 37:25.180 So, you know, every time I see something like that, I do want to bring it up and talk 37:25.180 --> 37:28.760 about it and let the listeners know that this is still going on. 37:28.820 --> 37:32.580 The more people that we reach and the more people that hear, this is the kind of politics 37:32.580 --> 37:34.200 that they really should get involved in. 37:34.340 --> 37:35.080 It doesn't matter. 37:35.080 --> 37:38.860 I don't want to go into politics of Democrat, Republican, conservative, liberal. 37:39.140 --> 37:40.040 I like this president. 37:40.160 --> 37:41.040 I hate that bastard. 37:41.140 --> 37:42.200 I don't want to do this for war. 37:42.640 --> 37:44.620 That's not the politics I'm talking about. 37:44.900 --> 37:49.980 The politics that hackers need to be involved in is proactive politics. 37:49.980 --> 37:56.060 It's proactive action and making your voice heard by these corrupt politicians, changing 37:56.060 --> 37:57.220 these corrupt politicians. 37:57.540 --> 38:00.020 Don't even look at the individuality of them. 38:00.520 --> 38:05.620 Look at the whole, look at the whole mass of what the results are, and that's the kind 38:05.620 --> 38:06.920 of thing that we do need to change. 38:08.740 --> 38:09.360 Very true. 38:09.360 --> 38:16.600 One change that may be coming or that is coming is pretty much the, this is what the DMCA 38:16.600 --> 38:18.500 should have been from the get-go. 38:18.580 --> 38:23.320 If they had done their job right and done their homework and not just signed shit blindly 38:23.320 --> 38:25.520 in, they would have come up with this. 38:26.220 --> 38:32.000 There's something called the DMCRA, the Digital Media Consumer Rights Act. 38:32.000 --> 38:39.480 And this is, in my opinion, of course, and by all means, email or come to the forums at 38:39.480 --> 38:44.400 stankdawg.com and feel free to disagree with me on this, but this is, in my opinion, what 38:44.400 --> 38:50.300 the DMCA should have been the first time out, the first version of this, and this is what 38:50.300 --> 38:55.500 they should have signed into law instead of blindly signing in that global DMCA that they 38:55.500 --> 38:56.000 have now. 38:56.960 --> 39:00.520 The DMCRA has got five major points. 39:00.520 --> 39:06.020 The first one, and this is just one of the biggest ones to me, is it reaffirms fair use. 39:06.900 --> 39:14.480 Now, fair use is defined as, well, for example, you see fair use, you see the fair use clause 39:14.480 --> 39:17.620 come into effect in colleges or in any school. 39:18.000 --> 39:22.280 When you make a photocopy of a textbook, technically that was illegal in the past. 39:22.340 --> 39:24.480 You can't make a copy of copywritten material. 39:24.660 --> 39:26.680 That's, you know, that's why it's called copywritten. 39:26.680 --> 39:31.980 But schools always had a loophole, if you want to call it that. 39:32.040 --> 39:34.440 They always had a clause that allowed them fair use. 39:34.500 --> 39:39.340 You can make a photocopy of a couple pages to teach and to illustrate a topic in school. 39:39.420 --> 39:40.380 You are allowed to do that. 39:41.400 --> 39:44.320 This, the DMCRA reaffirms that. 39:44.320 --> 39:50.400 And here's a quote, it says, under the bill, a user may circumvent an access control on 39:50.400 --> 39:54.940 an electronic book he purchased for the purpose of reading it on a different electronic reader. 39:55.600 --> 40:00.760 However, if he were to upload the book onto the internet for distribution to others, he 40:00.760 --> 40:06.100 would be liable for both a section 1201 circumvention policy and for copyright infringement. 40:06.100 --> 40:15.840 So, you know, right now, you extract your audio files to an MP3, that's perfectly legal. 40:15.920 --> 40:16.760 You're allowed to do that. 40:17.220 --> 40:22.460 The second you copy it over to your MP3 player to listen to while you go to the gym or ride 40:22.460 --> 40:26.380 the bus or whatever you want to do, you have violated the DMCA, believe it or not. 40:27.380 --> 40:31.340 The second that you move that, that's not, you do not have the right because you now have 40:31.340 --> 40:33.220 a second copy of that, a digital copy. 40:33.220 --> 40:36.780 And their example here was electronic books is the same thing. 40:36.900 --> 40:40.860 You can have those MP3s, but the second you go on and share them on the internet somewhere 40:40.860 --> 40:43.900 with file sharing, then you are technically breaking the law. 40:44.280 --> 40:49.860 And I, you know, I don't, I don't claim to be a saint, don't get me wrong, but truth of 40:49.860 --> 40:55.860 the matter, the fact of the matter is I am against piracy, you know, I, in most circumstances. 40:56.660 --> 40:58.260 So I'm not going to condone piracy. 40:58.340 --> 41:02.860 I'm not going to go into a rant on this, but some piracy, I understand. 41:02.860 --> 41:04.460 I'll leave, I think that's pretty vague. 41:04.520 --> 41:05.400 Is that all right to say that? 41:05.900 --> 41:06.780 It's, uh... 41:06.780 --> 41:07.540 Am I going to have them... 41:07.540 --> 41:07.860 Be good. 41:08.040 --> 41:11.220 Am I going to have the feds pounding on my door after this, this, uh, episode? 41:11.860 --> 41:15.480 Well, maybe I'll have the indie security police at my, uh, phone booth door. 41:16.140 --> 41:20.980 If, if anybody hears pounding on a phone booth door and mute disappears, well, now we know 41:20.980 --> 41:21.240 why. 41:21.240 --> 41:27.120 Um, another thing that this does, number two, it reestablishes the Betamax standard. 41:28.000 --> 41:33.840 A lot of listeners may not have any idea what a Betamax is, but, uh, the Betamax means that 41:33.840 --> 41:40.640 it would specify that it is not a violation of section 1201 of the DMCA, that's the real 41:40.640 --> 41:46.360 crappy part of it, um, to manufacture, distribute, or make non-infringing use of hardware or software 41:46.360 --> 41:50.740 product capable of enabling significant non-infringing use of a copyright work. 41:52.140 --> 41:56.020 Uh, the third thing, restores valid scientific research. 41:56.620 --> 41:57.100 It's going to... 41:57.100 --> 42:00.540 And this, this is the one that really pissed me off, and I went on to a big rant about 42:00.540 --> 42:02.800 this on Radio Freak America a few episodes back. 42:03.880 --> 42:11.540 Anything to, in my mind, this is the, the most important thing in society to me is education. 42:11.540 --> 42:16.040 It's growing and learning, and that's how society progresses. 42:16.500 --> 42:21.900 If people stop learning and stop growing and stop trying to expand their miles and they just, 42:21.980 --> 42:26.020 minds, and they just sit there and they're happy with every day, just doing the same thing 42:26.020 --> 42:26.980 day in and day out. 42:27.280 --> 42:29.380 Oh, I'm happy with the phone system. 42:29.460 --> 42:30.680 I'm happy with the internet system. 42:30.780 --> 42:32.120 I'm happy with television. 42:32.320 --> 42:33.580 I'm happy with the grocery store. 42:33.640 --> 42:34.980 Even the simplest things in life. 42:35.160 --> 42:39.100 If you are just content to never change, you will never change. 42:39.780 --> 42:40.880 No one will ever change. 42:40.880 --> 42:42.160 The world will never change. 42:42.780 --> 42:50.860 So, anything that's education related that furthers society, to me, is something that 42:50.860 --> 42:52.780 you can't put a price or a value on. 42:52.860 --> 42:56.600 It's something that has to happen if we, as a society, are going to evolve. 43:00.200 --> 43:05.520 Scientific research has been stifled by the DMCA, and we've been in, we've had several 43:05.520 --> 43:08.060 examples of that, and I'm not going to rehash a bunch of them now. 43:08.060 --> 43:13.680 But, people doing research now have to hire lawyers. 43:14.160 --> 43:18.440 Even if it's temporary, even if it's just to review stuff, they have to take money. 43:18.640 --> 43:26.860 You get a $100,000 grant to do research on, I don't know, stem cell research or something. 43:26.860 --> 43:33.460 You actually have to pay part of that money to hire a lawyer to make sure you cover your 43:33.460 --> 43:34.560 ass on your research. 43:34.920 --> 43:39.460 Whatever money that goes to the lawyers, and God, don't get me started on what blood-sucking 43:39.460 --> 43:40.380 leeches they are. 43:40.380 --> 43:44.880 Any money spent on lawyers is money that could have been spent towards the research. 43:45.860 --> 43:52.340 That's money spent only because the DMCA has limited that and made people so scared that 43:52.340 --> 43:56.600 they were going to be sued that they have to pay lawyers to protect them so that they 43:56.600 --> 44:01.440 can learn, and so that they can expand their mind, and so that society can grow. 44:01.440 --> 44:08.500 So, the DMCA, to me, is an absolute direct attempt at stopping the growth of society. 44:10.500 --> 44:14.880 Was that way too, am I way too passionate about that? 44:15.560 --> 44:21.120 No, I think it's enough, actually, because what we find today is that you try to do something 44:21.120 --> 44:23.700 and you're going to probably break a law on the place. 44:23.820 --> 44:28.720 I mean, you just said that technically you can have an MP3 of copyrighted music, but you 44:28.720 --> 44:34.420 can't put an MP3 player, but it's true that so many companies that go out of business 44:34.420 --> 44:39.500 or lose a lot of that property because they're doing that, because they're producing them 44:39.500 --> 44:44.880 and that probably would be available to put MP3s of copyrighted material on, like a Rio 44:44.880 --> 44:45.760 or an iPod. 44:46.000 --> 44:46.320 Right. 44:46.620 --> 44:47.220 So, it's crap. 44:47.340 --> 44:49.080 There's another thing that I found that's kind of interesting. 44:49.080 --> 44:54.340 I believe, like what you said before about that Pfizer virus, that if you access someone's 44:54.340 --> 44:59.800 network without, like, without consent, I guess you could say, that that means that it's 44:59.800 --> 45:00.160 wrong. 45:00.700 --> 45:06.300 Well, my iBook, if you turn it on, I think the default setting for the wireless is find 45:06.300 --> 45:09.280 any wireless network that's within range that you have signal to. 45:09.620 --> 45:09.920 Right. 45:10.020 --> 45:15.000 Well, as soon as you log on to the network, you're violating someone's wireless, technically. 45:15.000 --> 45:20.100 So, the iBook by itself is a circumventive device. 45:20.860 --> 45:25.760 Well, you know, there's also the example of Microsoft's automatic update. 45:25.900 --> 45:28.740 And actually, you know, what is it, Red Carpet? 45:28.940 --> 45:34.200 Is that the Red Hat's version or auto update for Red Hat Linux? 45:34.220 --> 45:35.360 Auto update is Red Hat's version. 45:35.640 --> 45:35.940 Yeah. 45:36.760 --> 45:39.540 Even those, technically, they're reading and reporting stuff to your hard drive. 45:39.540 --> 45:43.960 Now, they, now, correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think they always have to ask you or 45:43.960 --> 45:46.900 notify, it says, do you want to do this? 45:47.020 --> 45:47.480 I think you have to... 45:47.480 --> 45:48.560 You can set it up so you don't ask. 45:48.940 --> 45:49.140 Right. 45:49.220 --> 45:50.900 But it's something, you do have to ask at least once. 45:50.920 --> 45:53.720 There's an asking thing, would you like me to install these? 45:53.960 --> 45:58.700 So, maybe, maybe if, if the way he did that, that virus check, if he would have had it prompt 45:58.700 --> 46:03.520 the user when it connected, maybe if part of his patch was to prompt and say, yeah, would 46:03.520 --> 46:07.720 you like me to clean your virus for you free or something, maybe that would have covered 46:07.720 --> 46:08.280 him legally. 46:08.280 --> 46:09.600 Hmm. 46:10.260 --> 46:10.740 Well. 46:10.940 --> 46:12.840 You might have confused the people along the way. 46:13.880 --> 46:14.600 That's also true. 46:14.880 --> 46:20.840 But, back, back to this DMCRA, maybe he couldn't afford to pay a lawyer to verify if that would 46:20.840 --> 46:22.280 be a allowable way to him to do it. 46:22.360 --> 46:27.580 So, as a result, he took it off and, you know, now the virus manufacturers have fixes for 46:27.580 --> 46:29.440 it in their latest stat files and stuff. 46:29.580 --> 46:34.260 So, you know, there was a person who could do it for free and, you know, out of fear of 46:34.260 --> 46:35.900 prosecution, he couldn't do it. 46:35.900 --> 46:39.420 And that, that's, it just makes me so mad. 46:39.420 --> 46:42.500 Um, let's see. 46:45.380 --> 46:46.900 This is, this is their, the script. 46:47.000 --> 46:50.120 This is, this is what the article says about the valid scientific research. 46:50.200 --> 46:51.220 I'm just going to read this straight. 46:51.480 --> 46:56.340 It says, the bill will enable circumvention for research on technological measures other 46:56.340 --> 46:57.080 than encryption. 46:57.080 --> 46:58.260 Oh. 46:58.500 --> 46:58.940 Uh-huh. 46:59.340 --> 47:03.740 The bill also permits a researcher to develop the tools necessary for such circumvention. 47:04.120 --> 47:09.040 The bill will enable circumvention for research on technical measures other than encryption. 47:09.100 --> 47:10.060 Oh, I copied that twice. 47:10.580 --> 47:17.560 Um, tools necessary for such circumventions, let's see, which would cover things like DECSS. 47:17.560 --> 47:19.840 Is that encryption, though? 47:20.080 --> 47:22.020 Uh, exactly what we were talking about earlier. 47:22.120 --> 47:28.060 It's not, well, it's not, it's more encoding than encryption, I think. 47:28.140 --> 47:33.140 The encryption happens, the encryption, I think, is more of, um, what is it? 47:33.140 --> 47:33.860 It's self-decoding. 47:33.860 --> 47:35.020 Macromedia, yeah. 47:35.020 --> 47:40.380 The, um, what's it, the, um, uh, the DVD, the DVD itself. 47:40.580 --> 47:40.840 Right. 47:40.840 --> 47:46.180 Uh, let's see, the fourth thing, there was five, there was four things in this bill. 47:46.240 --> 47:51.500 The fourth one is, ensures proper, proper labeling of copy-protected compact discs. 47:51.980 --> 47:53.400 So, also, I'm glad they put this in. 47:53.480 --> 47:57.860 This seems like a small thing, but it's so fucking annoying when you get your CD home, 47:58.600 --> 48:03.220 and you get it, you get it home, and I don't know about everybody else, but I listened to, 48:03.340 --> 48:05.680 up until recently, I never had a CD player in my car. 48:06.100 --> 48:06.840 I was old school. 48:06.920 --> 48:07.620 I still had the cassette. 48:07.780 --> 48:09.540 I didn't have, you know, I mostly listened to the radio. 48:09.540 --> 48:14.260 So, I listened to all my CDs at work, or on my computer at home. 48:14.360 --> 48:20.660 I'll go into my headset at work, listen to my CD, my, uh, CD, or my MP3s, and I hated 48:20.660 --> 48:25.680 it more than anything when you pop the CD in, and it, I can't play it in Winamp, or I 48:25.680 --> 48:28.740 can't play it in my, whatever, whatever audio player I'm listening to. 48:29.000 --> 48:35.020 I can't play it because it pops up this fucking screen on there that they want to, it has 48:35.020 --> 48:39.060 their own little special, I don't know, Christina Aguilera MP3 player, and that's the only 48:39.060 --> 48:43.460 way you can play it is through their, their, um, proprietary software. 48:43.460 --> 48:49.660 Or, they try to do those copy-protected ones where it will not play in some CD, they're 48:49.660 --> 48:53.460 attempting to do copy-protection, and they found out, I think, you probably would know 48:53.460 --> 48:56.360 this better than I would, with the Macintosh, I think it was where it was a big problem. 48:56.460 --> 48:59.620 I think a lot of people had problems playing them on the Macs. 49:00.000 --> 49:04.120 Yeah, because they were probably using some sort of proprietary Windows thing, and a Mac 49:04.120 --> 49:04.900 couldn't read the file. 49:04.900 --> 49:10.840 Yeah, and so Mac, Mac users that bought a CD, and paid, you know, these nosebleed $20 49:10.840 --> 49:15.360 prices, it's just sickening, for a CD, and then they get it home, and they try to play 49:15.360 --> 49:18.580 it on their Mac, if they're like me, and play it on their computers, and it wouldn't run. 49:19.140 --> 49:22.600 Or, you know, it also would do, it's like, if you try to put it in a CD player, some of 49:22.600 --> 49:28.220 them, some CDs have so much encoding on them, but some CD players themselves, like, could not 49:28.220 --> 49:28.680 play it. 49:29.680 --> 49:35.100 Yeah, you know, and that's, so you pay $20 for a piece of shit that you can't use, and 49:35.100 --> 49:38.180 then, ironically, you can't go back to the store and return it, because they won't take 49:38.180 --> 49:42.200 it back, and the reason they can't take it back is because you've opened it, and now 49:42.200 --> 49:44.600 you have a possible copyright violation. 49:45.280 --> 49:46.640 That's the reason you can't return it. 49:46.800 --> 49:50.380 So they've got you coming, they're fucking you in both holes, that's what they're doing. 49:51.300 --> 49:52.680 You can't get away from it. 49:52.680 --> 49:55.340 So, the solution, don't buy CDs. 49:55.340 --> 50:02.620 That's what I've started, you know, I only buy a couple CDs a year now, probably, I don't 50:02.620 --> 50:04.980 know, easily less than 10, probably less than 5. 50:05.080 --> 50:11.560 Only, only CDs that I know are my favorites, and that I listen to a lot, I never, I'm not 50:11.560 --> 50:16.600 going to support that industry anymore, and, you know, that's, that's the only way to teach 50:16.600 --> 50:17.160 them a lesson. 50:17.540 --> 50:20.000 If people stop buying it, it's the same thing with spam. 50:20.640 --> 50:25.060 Don't ever respond to a spam email, no matter, even if it's something you're interested 50:25.060 --> 50:29.840 in, don't respond to it, don't support them, because it just makes them do it more. 50:31.800 --> 50:33.480 So, I'm not going to support them. 50:33.620 --> 50:35.860 I will, I do support this bill, the DMCRA. 50:36.420 --> 50:39.520 These are, there's still going to be some holes in it, yes, there's still going to be 50:39.520 --> 50:43.760 some problems, but this, this should have been the first draft, this should have been 50:43.760 --> 50:47.280 the DMCA, because this actually gives you some fair use. 50:47.520 --> 50:51.300 This actually allows you to have some control and to write programs and stuff like that. 50:51.300 --> 50:55.800 This actually allows you to do things that you should be able to do with the CDs that 50:55.800 --> 50:59.860 you find, that you absolutely purchase and have a right to use. 51:00.500 --> 51:05.180 The, the funny thing about this, of course, this is supported, you know, we mentioned earlier 51:05.180 --> 51:06.020 about lobbyists. 51:06.520 --> 51:10.880 This is supported by the EFF, one of my favorite, favorite organizations, the Electronic Frontier 51:10.880 --> 51:11.380 Foundation. 51:12.000 --> 51:15.440 Big name companies as well are supporting this bill, but the EFF also. 51:15.780 --> 51:18.340 You know who is conspicuously absent, of course. 51:18.520 --> 51:18.800 Microsoft. 51:18.800 --> 51:24.980 So, well, Microsoft, Microsoft is, is not there, at least on the list I saw, but the 51:24.980 --> 51:27.980 MPAA, of course, they're not going to support it. 51:28.060 --> 51:29.700 They want full, total control. 51:30.080 --> 51:33.720 They don't want you to be able to make copies, you know, and they're, they're probably the 51:33.720 --> 51:37.540 biggest, them, and also missing is the RIAA, the recording industry. 51:37.880 --> 51:41.380 I heard about the RIAA, who's the lady that runs that? 51:41.600 --> 51:42.980 I forget her name. 51:43.180 --> 51:45.320 Whatever her fuckless, fuckless lady is. 51:45.320 --> 51:48.820 Yeah, she's just, I don't even think she's with them anymore, you know, honestly, I think 51:48.820 --> 51:49.540 she left. 51:49.660 --> 51:50.120 She left. 51:50.200 --> 51:50.960 You know what she's doing now? 51:51.120 --> 51:51.600 What's that? 51:51.940 --> 51:56.200 The NBC question person, like, you know, when they get a panel going? 51:56.420 --> 51:57.380 Aye, aye, aye. 51:57.500 --> 51:58.320 It's going to work for them now. 51:58.420 --> 52:02.560 So they're going to, Hillary Rosen, staring you in the face when you wake up the next morning, 52:02.640 --> 52:07.300 they're talking about the migrating pattern of geeks and how this is affecting the political 52:07.300 --> 52:08.940 system of Uganda, probably. 52:08.940 --> 52:11.060 Well, she won't be staring me in the face in the morning. 52:11.660 --> 52:12.900 I'll never turn it on. 52:13.080 --> 52:20.120 You know, again, the way to stop these things is the number one way to stop the things that 52:20.120 --> 52:22.500 you think are wrong in society and wrong in this world. 52:22.580 --> 52:25.880 The number one way, do not support it. 52:26.560 --> 52:28.100 Don't watch the channel. 52:29.200 --> 52:30.820 Don't buy the magazines. 52:31.360 --> 52:32.460 Don't buy the CDs. 52:32.760 --> 52:33.940 Don't go to the movies. 52:34.300 --> 52:37.600 Now, come on, I went to see the Hulk and I want my money back. 52:37.600 --> 52:41.160 I want two hours of my life back for that crappy movie, you know? 52:41.160 --> 52:42.820 I want Hollywood Homicide, another worse. 52:43.320 --> 52:43.600 Huh? 52:43.900 --> 52:44.840 Hollywood Homicide. 52:45.360 --> 52:46.760 Yeah, I heard that was pretty bad, too. 52:47.120 --> 52:47.340 Yeah. 52:47.480 --> 52:52.480 You know, and you pay $8.50, $9, and even higher in some cities. 52:52.680 --> 52:53.200 I'm in Hagueville. 52:53.300 --> 52:54.140 I pay $5.75. 52:54.760 --> 52:59.320 But that's still, that's like a value meal, supersized with change. 52:59.640 --> 52:59.880 Yeah. 53:00.040 --> 53:03.980 You know, and with a couple hours of McWireless access. 53:04.400 --> 53:04.940 Yeah, there you go. 53:04.940 --> 53:08.180 You know, so that's money that could have been used on something else. 53:08.840 --> 53:13.780 So, you know, it's just, I just don't know what's happening to society. 53:14.040 --> 53:17.100 That's just my, it seems to be my theme song lately. 53:17.200 --> 53:19.840 I just don't understand what's happening with society. 53:22.580 --> 53:26.300 Speaking of viruses, actually, this is just the stupidest thing to me. 53:26.300 --> 53:31.120 What is the main way that viruses are continued? 53:31.260 --> 53:32.680 The main way viruses are spread? 53:33.600 --> 53:34.140 Through people. 53:34.360 --> 53:39.780 Through people that receive an email that says, oh, here's a cute screensaver I found. 53:39.880 --> 53:40.460 Click me. 53:41.100 --> 53:43.240 And what do they do every fucking time? 53:43.600 --> 53:44.060 Click it. 53:44.200 --> 53:45.920 They click the goddamn thing. 53:46.020 --> 53:49.060 What is so, there's a new virus going around now. 53:49.340 --> 53:51.300 Well, there's a real virus called the SARS virus. 53:51.300 --> 53:55.540 You know, it's a really bad flu strain that they haven't been able to fix. 53:56.760 --> 53:58.060 This is a fine name. 53:58.340 --> 54:00.300 The severe acute respiratory... 54:01.020 --> 54:01.720 Syndrome? 54:02.260 --> 54:02.900 Syndrome, yeah. 54:03.160 --> 54:05.500 Now, severe acute, that sounds like an oxymoron. 54:05.820 --> 54:06.780 I guess it isn't. 54:07.840 --> 54:08.200 Ugh. 54:08.880 --> 54:11.160 There is a SARS computer virus. 54:11.340 --> 54:11.900 Oh, great. 54:12.640 --> 54:15.320 Named after, obviously, the real SARS virus. 54:15.320 --> 54:21.320 There's a SARS computer virus that's just out because it's timely, but it's so simple. 54:22.040 --> 54:27.080 It's nothing, you know, at least some of the viruses, I said earlier, I can appreciate a well-written virus, 54:27.160 --> 54:34.860 something that takes advantage of some type of exploit or there's some security hole or weakness. 54:36.000 --> 54:40.760 I can at least appreciate the programming and that the point of the virus is to expose that. 54:40.760 --> 54:48.380 You know, as long as it doesn't cause a lot of damage and deleting of files, it's one of those viruses that just, it's a worm, it just spreads. 54:48.780 --> 54:51.080 You know, that, I don't, it doesn't bother me so much. 54:51.140 --> 54:54.560 I still wouldn't do it personally myself, but I won't condemn others that do that. 54:54.920 --> 54:59.180 But this kind of virus, I don't see why they still exist or still spread. 54:59.260 --> 54:59.980 Well, I do see why. 55:00.040 --> 55:00.900 It's because people are stupid. 55:01.280 --> 55:04.680 But this virus is simply an EXE attachment. 55:04.680 --> 55:14.920 And everybody knows, how many times have you been told, every computer user, even the most beginning, you know, grade school kids on computers are even taught, 55:15.220 --> 55:20.080 if you get an email from someone you don't know, don't click on the attachment. 55:21.280 --> 55:22.840 You know, I send you a program. 55:23.060 --> 55:27.980 Who in the world is going to send you, oh, here's a cute screensaver I got from Chester Chester Child Molester. 55:28.340 --> 55:29.660 Why would you open that? 55:30.400 --> 55:32.080 Why would you open an EXE file? 55:32.080 --> 55:34.560 Why would you open the, oh, here's a cute little application. 55:34.700 --> 55:36.040 Oh, here's a funny joke I got. 55:36.500 --> 55:37.920 Why, don't open it if you don't know it. 55:37.980 --> 55:38.780 Is that so hard? 55:39.780 --> 55:42.060 Is that really so hard for people to grasp this? 55:43.540 --> 55:45.580 Oh, man. 55:46.040 --> 55:47.940 Society is just in a bad way right now. 55:48.000 --> 55:48.520 It really is. 55:50.100 --> 55:51.940 Man, we've been going for a while now. 55:51.960 --> 55:52.600 How are we here? 55:52.820 --> 55:54.440 We've got like two minutes, a couple minutes left. 55:54.580 --> 55:57.640 Man, I think, I think it's time to close it up. 55:58.220 --> 56:00.220 First episode of Binary Revolution Radio. 56:00.220 --> 56:02.480 Yeah, I think this is a good one, too. 56:02.580 --> 56:04.200 Man, I'm hot. 56:04.580 --> 56:09.840 I'm starting to sweat a little bit because when I go off on these rants, I get so angry at society. 56:10.060 --> 56:12.900 And it just makes me sick. 56:13.620 --> 56:14.120 Yeah, all right. 56:14.140 --> 56:15.060 I'm going to bring it down. 56:15.140 --> 56:16.360 I'm going to take some deep breaths. 56:16.360 --> 56:19.440 Oh, I'm just going to count to ten. 56:19.820 --> 56:20.920 Just relax. 56:21.160 --> 56:23.740 Mute, why don't you take over the show for about ten seconds while I count to ten. 56:24.100 --> 56:24.620 All right. 56:24.680 --> 56:27.160 Well, I just want to say that camp's been good. 56:27.240 --> 56:30.240 I hope everyone enjoys this epa-binary revolution. 56:30.600 --> 56:32.520 And ready, barry, and everyone's radio. 56:32.720 --> 56:34.680 Slash, bin, slash, rev, slash, radio. 56:34.820 --> 56:35.260 One, zero. 56:35.260 --> 56:37.980 And we'll make a billion more for you. 56:38.160 --> 56:39.420 And hopefully they'll be the same. 56:39.680 --> 56:40.200 All right. 56:40.220 --> 56:40.800 I'm calmed down. 56:40.880 --> 56:42.540 Well, hopefully they won't be exactly the same. 56:42.600 --> 56:43.880 No, they'll be the same topics. 56:43.880 --> 56:45.900 They'll be the same topics, but the same general idea. 56:45.900 --> 56:49.240 Yeah, it'd be easy if we just made, you know, put the same one up every week. 56:49.460 --> 56:53.140 But now we're going to try to bring in some new good stuff along the same vein of what you just heard. 56:54.160 --> 56:56.380 Yeah, let's, we can't wrap it up. 56:56.420 --> 56:58.240 We can't wrap it up without throwing out a few shouts. 56:58.780 --> 57:03.620 Got to shout out first and foremost, Dual Parallel, co-host, or the host, I should say. 57:03.660 --> 57:04.940 He always likes to say co-host. 57:05.320 --> 57:07.880 But that's Radio Freak America, a great show. 57:08.240 --> 57:13.060 It's been around for a long time, something I love to be on and will still be on in the future if you love me. 57:13.060 --> 57:18.440 Which you might actually, you probably, listening to this, you probably heard it, www.oldskoolphreak.com. 57:18.560 --> 57:23.020 That's O-L-D-S-K-O-O-L-P-H-R-E-A-K.com. 57:23.520 --> 57:27.560 Oldskoolphreak.com, Radio Freak America is the name of the show. 57:27.660 --> 57:34.580 Your host, Dual Parallel, along with a lot of other guests, co-hosts, any bum that he can get to be on the radio. 57:34.580 --> 57:37.720 Like, oh, Winter Mute, he lets him on sometimes, and jeez. 57:37.840 --> 57:39.880 Without any reason, just let him on there for two minutes. 57:40.040 --> 57:43.920 Yeah, you know, it's like, if they let him on, jeez, man, they'll let anybody on. 57:44.540 --> 57:46.160 But no, they got a lot of great hosts on there. 57:46.260 --> 57:47.780 Winter Mute and myself have been on for years. 57:47.960 --> 57:54.260 And, you know, if it wasn't for being on that show and Dual helping and teaching us so much, you know, I really wouldn't be doing this today. 57:54.720 --> 57:59.660 And again, I'm still hopefully going to do RFA as often as I can because I'd still love doing that. 57:59.660 --> 58:04.140 I just wanted to break off, basically, topics, you know, just separate it. 58:04.400 --> 58:06.660 We got a hacking show, and we got a freaking show. 58:06.860 --> 58:14.480 And yes, there'll be some overlap as far as our personalities and the way we believe, but just kind of give you more information and two different shows. 58:14.840 --> 58:21.100 So, you know, if you want to think of it as RFA Part 2, you know, it's probably pretty much the same thing. 58:22.040 --> 58:23.960 I got to shout out all the members of DDP. 58:24.680 --> 58:27.620 I know people get tired of hearing DDP on this and DDP that. 58:27.620 --> 58:31.160 But, you know, everybody in DDP has helped support this. 58:31.640 --> 58:37.680 You know, we've been brainstorming ideas for this show, topics, segments, angles on how we were going to do it. 58:38.720 --> 58:41.260 And without all of their input and help, we wouldn't be able to do it. 58:41.300 --> 58:45.660 And hopefully we're going to be, you know, rotating people in quite a bit to do the show. 58:45.900 --> 58:47.800 And I know people will be tired of hearing me. 58:47.880 --> 58:49.340 That's for damn sure if they're not already. 58:49.600 --> 58:51.060 I got some shout outs, too. 58:51.060 --> 58:56.560 We got Logan 5, who always puts out the best copies of Binary Revolution we've seen. 58:56.560 --> 59:01.040 Which, by the way, go to BinRev.com, order yours today. 59:01.340 --> 59:06.780 And I'll shout out to all the members of the IEP crew over here. 59:07.100 --> 59:08.480 They know they're going to want to listen to this. 59:09.320 --> 59:12.820 So they got to get those shouts to them and all the women in Farley Hall for that. 59:13.560 --> 59:14.400 Ooh, all the women. 59:14.800 --> 59:15.080 Yeah. 59:15.300 --> 59:17.620 Man, why didn't you get the Chicksores on the show, man? 59:17.700 --> 59:19.220 Right, we should get an opening from that. 59:19.380 --> 59:24.260 Ooh, maybe we should record next show with the Chicksores on with us. 59:24.540 --> 59:25.060 There you go. 59:25.060 --> 59:25.740 All right. 59:26.580 --> 59:27.240 What else you got? 59:28.640 --> 59:29.240 Who else? 59:29.380 --> 59:35.840 Oh, shout out to the OIT department at ND for letting me hack their network. 59:37.740 --> 59:44.440 And I know you probably shout out your fellow members that come to the 2600, Chicago 2600. 59:44.540 --> 59:48.640 The good thing you mentioned that because I didn't mention them when I published Best Buy Insecurities, and they were pissed. 59:48.800 --> 59:49.220 Uh-oh. 59:49.600 --> 59:52.200 It was the first thing they read when they didn't see their names down there. 59:52.200 --> 59:54.560 But then they saw their names in the front, so they were happy. 59:55.100 --> 59:55.120 Yeah. 59:55.700 --> 59:56.860 And you know what? 59:56.920 --> 59:59.200 You can make sure you add them, and Best Buy Revisited. 59:59.860 --> 01:00:02.320 Best Buy Revisited for Binary Relation 2. 01:00:02.520 --> 01:00:06.360 Issue number two coming soon, so watch the website for that. 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:13.320 Um, shout out to my Broward 2600 meeting, everybody listening there, if they're listening, uh, shout out to them. 01:00:13.820 --> 01:00:19.260 Uh, definitely got to shout out Zerl for the opening theme song with great, great hacking song. 01:00:19.820 --> 01:00:21.060 Uh, Zerl, much love. 01:00:21.060 --> 01:00:23.700 Zerl gave us permission to use that as our official theme song. 01:00:24.080 --> 01:00:26.900 Actually working on possibly making a new updated version. 01:00:27.600 --> 01:00:28.760 Um, so much love for that. 01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:31.020 The other one, the other one, kind of outdated, they got the iDrive in there. 01:00:31.580 --> 01:00:31.880 Yeah. 01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:34.600 Oh, there's lots of, there's lots of great references in there. 01:00:34.720 --> 01:00:39.100 It's, that's, it's just, every time you listen to it, you hear a few more things that you're like, oh, wow, that was cool. 01:00:39.500 --> 01:00:40.480 Great, great song. 01:00:41.160 --> 01:00:41.480 Um. 01:00:42.140 --> 01:00:43.480 All right, so you want to wrap this thing up? 01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:51.960 Yeah, yeah, anybody, uh, I mentioned earlier, you know, a lot of this, the stuff that I just said, my opinion, you know, I think this should have been the DMCA the first time. 01:00:51.960 --> 01:01:00.940 I think, you know, virus, I'm against this, I'm for, you know, anything that I say on the show is my opinion, and everybody doesn't have to agree with it. 01:01:00.980 --> 01:01:07.600 If everybody does, you know, it'd be a pretty sad world, so I know people probably disagree with me on a lot of things. 01:01:07.720 --> 01:01:10.960 I know some individual people I can think offhand that probably. 01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:18.440 So, any feedback, if you want to give to me, I'm very open, you want to tell me that I'm a complete ass, it's not the first time I've heard that. 01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:25.500 Uh, you want to say you agreed with the show or liked it, you'd like to hear more of this, you'd like to hear less of that, you want me to punch Wintermute when I see him. 01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:33.100 Any of that kind of, uh, feedback, just send it to letters at binrev.com, L-E-T-T-E-R-S at binrev.com. 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:36.960 Is that, let's see, is that it? Did you have any other shout-outs, or did I, I didn't interrupt you, did I? 01:01:37.080 --> 01:01:38.860 No, that's, uh, no, I think I got everything. 01:01:38.860 --> 01:01:43.580 And we're going to leave you with Zerl's dedication to the hacker, the theme song that we opened with. 01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:47.820 This is the Matrix remix, and we're going to close you out with the full version of this song. 01:01:47.980 --> 01:01:50.080 So, uh, this is Wintermute, and... 01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:55.500 This is Stank Dog, and we will see you next time, same hack time, same hack channel. 01:01:55.500 --> 01:02:04.320 Uh, this is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers, you know what I'm saying? 01:02:04.380 --> 01:02:09.100 If you hear this, I want you to bump this into your dirt, dawg, into your dirt. 01:02:09.600 --> 01:02:15.020 You could fill a stadium with cats using shit cracked by radium, liquid sky, we'll never die. 01:02:15.240 --> 01:02:17.880 Before the crackers and the hackers, life was whacker. 01:02:18.200 --> 01:02:22.100 Software we could never stack for, we were floored by these evil whores. 01:02:22.100 --> 01:02:27.040 All the best shit we could never afford, the internet and mp3, they set us free. 01:02:27.220 --> 01:02:30.220 I'm downloading Windows and me, right now I'm FTP. 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:34.120 You bitches will never find me, because I'm everywhere, see? 01:02:34.460 --> 01:02:36.200 Yo dawg, you got something new? 01:02:36.340 --> 01:02:39.280 Hit me off on ICQ, I'll help you back and jive. 01:02:39.520 --> 01:02:41.580 I got some top-notch shit on iDrive. 01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:43.560 You shut one site down, we multiply. 01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:46.120 Like a phoenix from a different place, we rise. 01:02:46.260 --> 01:02:47.320 Said you got the squares. 01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:49.620 Yo dude, you're stealing, don't you care? 01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:52.280 LOL, bitch, I got a terabyte of wares. 01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.840 I like my files, sit, zip, or rare. 01:02:55.060 --> 01:02:57.780 I'll download 700 segments from a thousand sites. 01:02:58.080 --> 01:03:00.500 I'll drink coffee, snort speed, I'll stay up all night. 01:03:00.700 --> 01:03:02.960 I'll hack your company's site with blanket white. 01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:06.180 Ghost ISPs, find me, please. 01:03:06.180 --> 01:03:09.880 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers. 01:03:10.340 --> 01:03:13.380 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers. 01:03:13.900 --> 01:03:15.240 The ones that set us free. 01:03:15.900 --> 01:03:17.720 Thanks, G, for setting us free. 01:03:18.120 --> 01:03:20.820 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers. 01:03:21.300 --> 01:03:24.060 I see in binary, I speak source code. 01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:27.980 Step on my toes, I'll post a million JPEGs if you in a fag pose. 01:03:28.180 --> 01:03:30.620 In your digital stance, getting firewall cold. 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.100 Because I'm riding the net in my six-fold. 01:03:33.100 --> 01:03:34.900 I was a dick with my 56. 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:37.900 Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable. 01:03:38.220 --> 01:03:40.160 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. 01:03:40.560 --> 01:03:43.880 On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 01:03:44.120 --> 01:03:46.600 In a flash, I'll screw you on Burton Dreamcast. 01:03:46.900 --> 01:03:48.040 You need some ISOs? 01:03:48.240 --> 01:03:49.780 Let me through my hard drive rifle. 01:03:50.140 --> 01:03:51.800 Our exchange, you could never stifle. 01:03:52.100 --> 01:03:54.980 In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 01:03:55.220 --> 01:03:56.400 I bootlegged your CD. 01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:58.980 I caused the fight between Un and Jay-Z. 01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:01.220 Your CG, it's all gonna be free. 01:04:01.220 --> 01:04:03.620 Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 01:04:03.940 --> 01:04:05.520 You feel that rattle in your bones? 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:07.740 When I tell you we just hacked out Jones? 01:04:08.020 --> 01:04:09.900 And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back? 01:04:10.100 --> 01:04:12.100 Because I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:14.940 Because I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:18.020 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers. 01:04:18.560 --> 01:04:22.840 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAS, F6. 01:04:23.220 --> 01:04:25.820 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers. 01:04:25.820 --> 01:04:28.660 Your encryption is primitive, Egyptian. 01:04:29.180 --> 01:04:31.800 I'll do more with a 486 and a flex tour. 01:04:32.140 --> 01:04:34.660 We've won when the six billion got atlons. 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:36.780 And we tell each other how to get it on. 01:04:37.060 --> 01:04:39.960 Cyber armies and the Pentagon were storming. 01:04:40.220 --> 01:04:42.120 I just found out who killed JFK. 01:04:42.380 --> 01:04:44.480 The smoking gun will happen within a day. 01:04:44.740 --> 01:04:46.240 All the lies even faster. 01:04:46.740 --> 01:04:48.760 Go check the name Truth on Napster. 01:04:48.980 --> 01:04:49.940 Digital disaster. 01:04:50.120 --> 01:04:52.280 The pricks will never find me in this matrix. 01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:55.220 A million keyboard voices all named Morpheus. 01:04:55.560 --> 01:04:57.860 This is dedicated to those who set me free. 01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:00.380 Got a buzz, you're always my cuz. 01:05:00.640 --> 01:05:03.080 Radium, if I could only say to them thanks. 01:05:03.620 --> 01:05:04.820 Kalisto, you know. 01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:07.480 Utopia and all my digital dogs. 01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:09.720 My net dons, my cyber gangsters. 01:05:09.860 --> 01:05:11.980 My wire warriors, my computer comrades. 01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:13.160 This is for you. 01:05:13.420 --> 01:05:15.440 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crackers. 01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:19.140 I know you're out there. 01:05:20.080 --> 01:05:20.980 I can feel you now. 01:05:20.980 --> 01:05:23.340 I know that you're afraid. 01:05:24.220 --> 01:05:25.320 You're afraid of us. 01:05:26.220 --> 01:05:27.460 You're afraid of change. 01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:30.160 I don't know the future. 01:05:31.120 --> 01:05:33.400 I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. 01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:36.660 I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. 01:05:37.680 --> 01:05:39.060 I'm going to hang up this phone. 01:05:39.580 --> 01:05:42.160 And then I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.820 I'm going to show them a world without you. 01:05:45.820 --> 01:05:50.520 A world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. 01:05:51.040 --> 01:05:53.900 A world where anything is possible. 01:05:53.900 --> 01:06:00.240 Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you. 01:06:00.240 --> 01:06:01.880 I'm going to show you. 01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:02.620 I don't think so. 01:06:05.580 --> 01:06:07.420 I think so. 01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:08.320 I think so. 01:06:08.380 --> 01:06:09.460 I think so.