WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:21.540 Welcome to the next generation of Hacking Information Exchange with StankDawg and Wintermute. 00:30.000 --> 00:37.780 I see in binary, I speak source code. Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose. 00:38.020 --> 00:42.980 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six foe. 00:43.180 --> 00:47.720 I was a dick with my 56. Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable. 00:48.020 --> 00:53.720 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:53.720 --> 00:59.620 In a flash, I'll school you on burning dreamcasts. You need some ISOs? Let me do my hard drive rifle. 00:59.620 --> 01:04.820 Our exchange, you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 01:05.120 --> 01:08.820 I bootlegged your CD. I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 01:09.160 --> 01:13.440 Your CG, it's all gonna be free. Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 01:13.840 --> 01:17.560 You feel that rattle in your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones? 01:17.860 --> 01:22.000 And NASDAQ, leave you flat on your back? Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:22.400 --> 01:24.760 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:24.760 --> 01:27.880 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals. 01:27.880 --> 01:33.080 Cereal codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs. 01:33.080 --> 01:35.540 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals. 01:36.540 --> 01:41.300 Alright, we are here back with Binary Revolution Episode 2. 01:41.860 --> 01:46.620 I have with me, as always, Winter Mute in the house. 01:47.460 --> 01:50.060 And we are back on the air. 01:50.160 --> 01:55.000 We weren't canceled, we weren't kidnapped, we weren't captured by the feds or anything like that. 01:55.000 --> 01:57.200 So I guess life is good. 01:57.200 --> 01:57.520 We weren't napalmed. 01:58.420 --> 02:01.100 Well, I was napalmed. I just said I wasn't captured. 02:01.260 --> 02:01.680 Oh, okay. 02:01.820 --> 02:04.560 Yeah, I was drugged and, you know, they had their way with me. 02:04.660 --> 02:07.040 And it was pretty much a rough weekend, but... 02:07.040 --> 02:08.160 I almost had my tongue cut out. 02:08.400 --> 02:09.820 I hate it when that happens. 02:11.080 --> 02:12.040 But we are back. 02:12.360 --> 02:13.120 We are back. 02:13.120 --> 02:20.980 So, we are going to actually, I guess, open up the show with some feedback from Episode 1, which is a good thing. 02:21.080 --> 02:23.240 I mean, people actually listen to Episode 1. 02:23.740 --> 02:26.660 That's a good sign for things to come, I hope. 02:28.420 --> 02:34.220 In Episode 1, if you remember correctly, I asked for any kind of feedback, whether it was good, bad, or ugly, 02:34.340 --> 02:36.980 or if you just wanted to call me a fucknut, whatever you wanted to do. 02:37.460 --> 02:41.380 I wanted to hear what you guys thought, and I got all of the above, actually. 02:41.380 --> 02:43.420 I think it was Hack and Slash or Bland. 02:43.520 --> 02:46.380 I'm not sure one of them called me a fucknut in the IRC channel right away. 02:46.560 --> 02:49.700 So, we got that over with and taken care of. 02:50.700 --> 02:53.240 Which, by the way, I didn't mention in the first episode, 02:53.380 --> 02:56.120 because I actually didn't know if the channel was going to be up and working. 02:56.800 --> 03:04.480 But, Gluco, Zaprolink, Nick84, some of the guys got together and did set up a BinRev channel, IRC channel. 03:05.060 --> 03:08.180 And it is up 24-7, 365. 03:08.180 --> 03:14.300 You can come on during the show, while the show is streaming, and talk about us, talk about the show while you're listening. 03:14.800 --> 03:17.980 And, apparently, call me a fucknut seems to be a popular thing to do. 03:18.100 --> 03:18.800 I don't... 03:18.800 --> 03:20.340 Did you get any fucknut comments, Mute? 03:20.880 --> 03:21.240 No. 03:21.740 --> 03:23.700 Yeah, see, I guess I'm the fucknut. 03:23.720 --> 03:24.360 That's the funny thing. 03:24.760 --> 03:25.980 I never get fan mail. 03:26.980 --> 03:27.380 Never. 03:27.760 --> 03:29.960 I don't get good, bad, or ugly. 03:30.520 --> 03:31.660 I don't get fan mail. 03:31.720 --> 03:32.420 I get hate mail. 03:33.080 --> 03:33.980 Well, no, I don't get anything. 03:34.080 --> 03:35.060 I don't get mail in general. 03:35.560 --> 03:36.340 Mostly spam. 03:36.340 --> 03:39.140 But, well, yeah, trust me, sometimes you don't want it. 03:39.440 --> 03:44.480 But, actually, speaking of mail, we did get a couple emails here, like I said, some good things. 03:45.660 --> 03:47.500 Total Blackout sent me an email. 03:47.740 --> 03:56.480 It says that some things he really liked about the show was that we talk about what is a hacker and words that the public uses to describe him. 03:56.560 --> 03:57.740 So, he liked the show. 03:57.820 --> 03:59.240 He had some good comments to say. 03:59.240 --> 04:07.600 And, you know, really, the first episode was kind of a, I don't know, a feeling out episode, a very special episode of Binary Revolution. 04:07.740 --> 04:08.200 It was... 04:08.200 --> 04:14.220 We wanted to start off with something so that people would, you know, understand where we're coming from. 04:14.280 --> 04:22.100 I guess I'm coming from, you know, if you disagree with me or have no problems jumping on us, calling me a fucknut. 04:22.100 --> 04:24.060 How many times have I said that already in the show? 04:24.160 --> 04:24.920 We're not even a couple minutes in. 04:24.920 --> 04:26.220 Oh, two, like five or six, man. 04:26.240 --> 04:26.780 Yeah, all right. 04:26.940 --> 04:31.540 From now, can I, let's see, I already gave the award out last month, last week. 04:31.660 --> 04:37.140 So, I'm going to try to go the rest of this show and the rest of this month without saying that word. 04:38.480 --> 04:39.480 I'll never make it. 04:39.900 --> 04:40.760 I'll never make it. 04:40.780 --> 04:42.640 You want me to get to the, like, ten minutes from now? 04:42.960 --> 04:44.540 Yeah, you're probably right. 04:44.680 --> 04:45.540 So, all right. 04:45.680 --> 04:49.220 Well, in IRC, they can have a countdown and see. 04:49.540 --> 04:53.120 We'll take gambling and take bets on how long I can go without saying. 04:53.860 --> 05:01.220 But anyway, yeah, so he, you know, I had a couple people say in IRC that it was, you know, good. 05:01.220 --> 05:04.460 It was the first episode, of course, so we're going to have to adapt and grow. 05:04.720 --> 05:08.240 I mean, we're not going to come out and be masters at this in the first shot. 05:08.240 --> 05:19.820 But, again, the first episode, we just wanted to talk about something that all listeners, new listeners, old listeners, could relate to and understand and hopefully have some feelings on the matter. 05:20.680 --> 05:29.580 And, you know, talking about what a hacker is and what a hacker isn't, I thought was just a good topic to talk about whole that first episode, something we could all have input for. 05:30.200 --> 05:32.060 And we did get input. 05:32.060 --> 05:42.440 But, like I said, a couple people in the channel said that they liked the topic and that they, you know, they had some things about whether they agreed or disagreed with what we said is a hacker and a cracker and some things like that. 05:44.060 --> 05:46.960 So, you know, that was just a kind of a feeling out episode. 05:46.960 --> 05:54.660 So I think everybody knows where I'm coming from and my attitude and how I approach things anyway. 05:54.660 --> 06:01.420 So from now on, hopefully we won't spend quite so much time on one topic, unless it's that serious, of course. 06:02.520 --> 06:16.320 But if something comes up that I think needs to be addressed or something that I'm going to, you know, that I feel we need to spend time on, then, yeah, if you use hacker in a derogatory or negative manner, I'm going to jump all over it and I'm going to make a deal out of it. 06:16.700 --> 06:21.600 I'm not going to spend a whole episode on it, you know, anymore, but I will call it out when I see it. 06:21.600 --> 06:29.880 But I thought that giving it the first episode feeling, being the first episode and all, we should address that immediately. 06:30.220 --> 06:32.740 Yeah, I mean, it lets everybody know where we stand. 06:32.740 --> 06:39.680 Now, whether they agree with it or disagree with it or, you know, have other things to add to it, you know, that's a whole other issue altogether. 06:39.780 --> 06:50.020 But at least I think they know where we stand so they can pretty much establish we're not coming back to listen to these schmucks or, you know, hey, let's see where they're going to go from here. 06:50.020 --> 06:53.780 So hopefully it's the latter. Hopefully people stick around and see what happens with it. 06:54.140 --> 06:59.880 So we did have, I did get an email from someone who wishes to remain anonymous, which I can respect. 07:00.940 --> 07:03.060 He kind of didn't exactly feel the same way. 07:03.120 --> 07:08.760 He felt that, well, I'm not going to read the whole thing, but let me read a couple little parts to this. 07:08.760 --> 07:15.680 It says, he says that you seem to spend a great deal of time on what seems to be a moot point, the term hacker. 07:16.660 --> 07:22.680 He goes on, the term hacker is now synonymous with a computer criminal, which compromises computer security with intent. 07:23.160 --> 07:24.380 This is an English issue. 07:24.480 --> 07:27.640 The masses decide on the meaning of words, plain and simple. 07:28.240 --> 07:31.880 And since the majority of respectable publications have acquiesced, 07:31.880 --> 07:53.020 He goes on, he says, this brings us to the next question, though, 07:53.020 --> 07:56.800 and that is what a computer enthusiast may specialize in. 07:57.200 --> 08:02.300 If it is security related, why not simply call yourself a computer security professional or enthusiast? 08:02.640 --> 08:05.920 It certainly sounds better to prospective employers and to those in power. 08:06.340 --> 08:09.480 More importantly, if you do, in fact, use networks or systems without permission, 08:09.880 --> 08:12.720 you are a hacker, a criminal, plain and simple. 08:13.240 --> 08:14.960 Laws and all that good stuff determine this. 08:15.060 --> 08:17.200 I may or may not agree with said laws. 08:17.200 --> 08:26.400 As a final note, a reasonable expectation of privacy is more important than curiosity. 08:26.840 --> 08:28.880 I hope that this is an issue you raise in your show. 08:29.240 --> 08:33.680 Would-be computer security enthusiasts should practice and learn on their own systems, 08:33.820 --> 08:35.480 not the systems of others. 08:36.360 --> 08:38.340 He does end saying that he likes the show. 08:38.620 --> 08:42.200 He just wants us to keep it focused on hacking info and not too much on politics, 08:42.580 --> 08:44.020 like the definition of a hacker. 08:44.020 --> 08:49.100 So, first of all, thank you for that. 08:49.380 --> 08:52.240 That's the reason that I, you know, told people I want to hear feedback. 08:52.440 --> 08:54.940 Where do you think we should go and what should and shouldn't we talk about? 08:55.280 --> 09:01.740 But, like I said before on the email before, you know, it was a starting off to let people know where I stand. 09:01.820 --> 09:06.180 I don't plan on being on a soapbox for an hour every night talking about that same topic. 09:06.500 --> 09:08.220 But, again, it was a good starting topic. 09:08.220 --> 09:16.100 Another thing is I want to make sure you're clear on something with your terminology. 09:16.320 --> 09:17.740 Don't mix up your terms here. 09:17.900 --> 09:24.960 You used, you know, you made a comment about using the term security professional or something similar to that. 09:24.960 --> 09:31.980 Well, yeah, if I was writing a resume or if I were to speaking, if I were talking to the normals or talking to a potential employer, 09:32.640 --> 09:40.120 then, yeah, I would use the word security professional or something like that or security officer or some other general terminology. 09:40.440 --> 09:42.920 And you have to. 09:43.000 --> 09:49.960 The normals just wouldn't understand the word hacker because of what it has become or the connotation it has on it. 09:49.960 --> 09:53.600 But this is Binary Revolution Radio. 09:53.880 --> 09:56.740 This is not a show for security professionals. 09:57.160 --> 09:59.400 It's not a show for the normals, nor is it my resume. 10:00.160 --> 10:03.140 This is a show by hackers for hackers. 10:04.200 --> 10:05.600 Mute, can I get an amen on that? 10:06.440 --> 10:06.920 Hmm? 10:08.400 --> 10:10.160 Who is this show for? 10:10.640 --> 10:16.160 This is for anyone in the security business that wants to learn. 10:16.220 --> 10:17.320 Anyone that wants to learn, period. 10:17.320 --> 10:20.820 But, as for when I see it, it's a hacking show. 10:21.020 --> 10:22.480 Well, see, that's the way I look at it, too. 10:24.480 --> 10:30.400 However, I'm not going to pull my punches and choose verbiage just because I'm basing it on the audience. 10:31.280 --> 10:31.600 You know? 10:31.700 --> 10:37.400 I'm going to say it the way it is to me, anyway, and if people disagree with it, you know, send in the emails. 10:37.500 --> 10:38.100 I appreciate it. 10:38.120 --> 10:39.060 I'll discuss them on the air. 10:39.160 --> 10:40.340 I'll be happy to debate them. 10:40.360 --> 10:41.000 That's not a problem. 10:43.860 --> 10:45.520 And I'm not going to take offense at it, either. 10:45.520 --> 10:50.280 You know, this is, I can accept criticism if you have legitimate comments, and this person did. 10:50.460 --> 10:59.840 There is one thing in here that was kind of sad to me, and the way that you worded this email, and again, this is someone who wishes to remain anonymous, and we'll stay that way. 10:59.840 --> 11:04.460 But the way he gives up on the word hacker is, it's kind of sad. 11:04.600 --> 11:07.440 You know, I don't really take a defeatist attitude so easily. 11:07.600 --> 11:10.480 I don't give up on things, anything. 11:10.620 --> 11:11.780 I don't give up on things ever. 11:12.480 --> 11:14.360 I'm not a give up, quit kind of person. 11:14.360 --> 11:23.640 And to give up on the word hacker, or what a hacker is, or what a hacker stands for, maybe you think it's further gone than I do. 11:24.220 --> 11:26.120 But, you know, I think it still can be recovered. 11:26.340 --> 11:31.300 And whether or not it can be, you know, that's not the issue. 11:31.460 --> 11:32.620 It's what's right and wrong. 11:32.740 --> 11:36.240 You know, I'm going to fight with everything I have when I think something is wrong. 11:36.820 --> 11:41.320 And when it's a right or wrong issue, that's what's important, not how easy it is. 11:41.380 --> 11:47.520 So when people attack hackers, I get personally offended because I look at that as an attack on me. 11:47.740 --> 11:49.420 So, you know, I'm here on the show. 11:49.520 --> 11:51.380 I want to reach out and educate people on hacking. 11:51.880 --> 11:52.820 Do a weekly show. 11:53.040 --> 11:55.180 We do RFA as often as we can. 11:55.180 --> 11:56.940 We try to do that weekly if we can. 11:57.480 --> 11:59.520 We reproduce a magazine, website. 12:00.020 --> 12:06.200 We create a healthy environment with forums and stuff like that for hackers to organize and fight for what is right and wrong. 12:06.320 --> 12:16.860 And I don't like standing by and giving up and letting people pass laws against, you know, innocent acts and overbearing laws and controlling things and taking words away from me. 12:16.960 --> 12:20.180 So it's just not my style to just, you know, shut up and take it. 12:20.220 --> 12:21.640 It's just not that kind of person. 12:21.640 --> 12:29.680 So, you know, giving up the word and saying that the English language dictates it, then, you know, that's not the way I operate it. 12:29.840 --> 12:32.320 You know, we may not be able to change something overnight. 12:32.480 --> 12:33.500 It may take a long time. 12:33.580 --> 12:34.760 It may not happen in my lifetime. 12:34.760 --> 12:42.520 But if a couple people listening get it and understand why I'm doing this, then that's really the most important thing. 12:42.680 --> 12:49.560 When you give up the word and you're not even willing to fight for it, you know, the battle is over before it has even begun. 12:49.960 --> 13:01.860 So, you know, we're trying to start a revolution here, a binary revolution, where we take back those things that people are trying to take away from us as an Internet community and as a hacking community. 13:01.860 --> 13:03.340 So that's what this show is about. 13:04.100 --> 13:05.320 I do appreciate your email. 13:05.700 --> 13:06.480 You know, I do. 13:06.660 --> 13:11.520 And if there's others out there listening, frankly, it was 50-50 on the emails I got. 13:11.600 --> 13:13.040 I got some people saying that it was good. 13:13.100 --> 13:15.020 I got some people saying that it was bad. 13:15.020 --> 13:21.620 So if people agreed with me, they were very apathetic and didn't take the time to email. 13:21.880 --> 13:25.780 And I don't think letters at binrev.com is that difficult of an email to remember. 13:27.180 --> 13:28.760 You know, right now it's 50-50. 13:28.880 --> 13:37.120 Maybe I do need to stop getting on the soapbox and I should just bend over and take it and just deliver some headlines and news to people. 13:37.120 --> 13:40.940 But I really don't think that that's what people want. 13:41.160 --> 13:43.240 But, you know, I'll let you guys dictate that. 13:43.320 --> 13:43.920 Give me an email. 13:44.440 --> 13:46.020 Tell me, yes, I agree with this. 13:46.100 --> 13:47.280 No, I don't agree with that. 13:47.560 --> 13:50.300 And, you know, we'll take it from there. 13:51.380 --> 13:58.380 But saying something like giving up – I actually used the phrase – let's see. 13:58.420 --> 13:59.180 What phrase did he use? 13:59.240 --> 14:01.980 If the masses decided on a meaning of words. 14:01.980 --> 14:03.180 That was his exact phrase. 14:03.820 --> 14:12.700 If the masses decide on the meaning of words, what kind of recourse or does that make it right and wrong for like – 14:12.700 --> 14:18.760 I guess if that's his definition and other people's definition, then it's okay for me to walk around and call women bitches. 14:19.420 --> 14:21.620 I mean, that's apparently a big thing. 14:21.700 --> 14:23.060 That's the whole rap videos. 14:23.180 --> 14:28.800 They call women bitches and I guess that's okay to do because that's what's becoming popular and the normal thing to do. 14:28.800 --> 14:32.240 So I should just let go of trying to defend a word like that. 14:32.280 --> 14:37.180 Or gay people, can we call everybody faggots and queers because that's what's become commonplace? 14:38.120 --> 14:39.720 You know, I'm not afraid to say that. 14:39.780 --> 14:42.480 I'm not afraid to say that on the radio as an analytic discussion. 14:42.660 --> 14:47.320 But that doesn't make it right for me or anyone to go up to someone and demean them like that. 14:48.140 --> 14:51.120 You know, that may be a little bit more of an extreme example than the word hacker. 14:51.280 --> 14:52.460 But it's still the same thing. 14:52.500 --> 14:57.500 If you're letting the masses decide on the meaning of words for you, what decisions are you making on your own? 14:57.500 --> 15:08.660 You know, so you walk up to, you go downtown New York, you go to Harlem and call someone the N-word and tell me that the masses dictate the language and then get back to me. 15:08.680 --> 15:09.560 Let me know how that goes. 15:10.420 --> 15:12.920 But I am going to get off the soapbox for this one. 15:12.980 --> 15:14.740 I spent a few minutes on that and on the emails. 15:15.760 --> 15:19.840 I'm going to move on to some actual hacking topics, excuse me. 15:19.840 --> 15:25.000 Oh, I did have one other email from Bob Nino offering web space, which I appreciate. 15:25.340 --> 15:32.900 We just switched over to a new host and we just actually redesigned some pages this past weekend. 15:33.120 --> 15:39.800 So by the time you're listening to this, hopefully everyone will notice that we have reorganized and rewrote all the pages from the ground up. 15:39.800 --> 15:44.080 So there will be a few little problems here and there, but for the most part, they're going to be ready to go. 15:45.480 --> 15:50.780 Be able to order the magazine online, download past episodes of the radio show, things like that. 15:51.120 --> 15:52.700 But we do appreciate the offer. 15:53.160 --> 15:56.780 We switched to the new host because we knew we would need space. 15:56.780 --> 16:04.180 So we got a hosting contract with pretty good web space and bandwidth to account for that. 16:04.440 --> 16:12.100 But definitely I appreciate the offer and we might take you up on that in the future if we run out of room or maybe for mirroring or something like that. 16:12.120 --> 16:15.380 Or maybe as a backup site in case something happens to us. 16:15.760 --> 16:18.340 So I do appreciate that. 16:19.800 --> 16:21.200 Actually, I'm very happy. 16:21.300 --> 16:24.840 We did get some feedback and that means people are listening and that's a good thing. 16:24.840 --> 16:27.640 So, you know, I'm happy to hear it. 16:28.180 --> 16:31.060 So let's move on to some lighter topics. 16:31.880 --> 16:32.640 What do you think? 16:33.020 --> 16:35.120 I think we should move right into those stories. 16:35.680 --> 16:36.480 To the stories? 16:36.740 --> 16:37.280 The stories? 16:37.460 --> 16:38.160 I have a story. 16:38.320 --> 16:39.080 Okay, sure. 16:39.260 --> 16:44.180 I believe the story is very vague for reasons that I don't have to say right now. 16:44.180 --> 16:54.380 But, yeah, sometime in the past week I've alerted a few companies to their problems with their security. 16:54.740 --> 17:04.740 And oddly enough, these companies have been very well, have received me in good arms and have not turned me to the police. 17:04.740 --> 17:12.540 Because I just wanted to give this an example to anyone that maybe has seen some insecure things, some blatantly insecure things. 17:12.980 --> 17:19.340 And instead of, oh, let's go hack it, let's go take it down, turn around and say, maybe we should help these guys out for once. 17:19.880 --> 17:21.280 Help the name, the hacker. 17:21.780 --> 17:23.720 Well, then that's what we always say, you know. 17:24.440 --> 17:25.180 So that's what I did. 17:25.320 --> 17:27.120 I walked in there, I told them it was wrong. 17:27.880 --> 17:29.320 Didn't call the police on me. 17:29.440 --> 17:31.040 Well, we can give a little bit of detail. 17:31.040 --> 17:34.200 I mean, let's at least let the people know this was a retail establishment, correct? 17:34.700 --> 17:34.980 Establishment. 17:35.320 --> 17:35.680 Okay. 17:35.780 --> 17:36.700 That wanted some help. 17:37.020 --> 17:37.680 They didn't need one. 17:37.740 --> 17:40.320 I wanted some help, but they didn't understand what was going on. 17:41.040 --> 17:42.540 I knew what was going on. 17:42.580 --> 17:43.880 It was very bad. 17:44.100 --> 17:47.220 I don't want to release anything else about the details of it. 17:47.960 --> 17:50.200 It was pretty wide open. 17:50.620 --> 17:52.900 Anyone listening to here would have figured it out. 17:53.900 --> 17:54.840 I went in there. 17:55.580 --> 17:56.440 I addressed the problem. 17:56.940 --> 17:57.440 They didn't know. 17:57.440 --> 18:01.000 At first, the guy didn't realize what was going on. 18:01.440 --> 18:03.960 Realized what the vulnerability. 18:04.940 --> 18:05.760 He didn't know it existed. 18:06.480 --> 18:09.060 When I was showing him what was wrong, he understood. 18:09.740 --> 18:10.700 Took care of it. 18:10.920 --> 18:12.040 He actually understood it? 18:12.460 --> 18:13.800 I walked it through. 18:14.100 --> 18:17.880 I told him he had some comprehension of what was going on. 18:18.780 --> 18:21.940 He set up the network there. 18:23.100 --> 18:24.620 I told him what was going on. 18:24.620 --> 18:34.160 Halfway through, he realized what the problem was, fixed it, and came back and thanked me immensely, actually. 18:34.940 --> 18:38.120 I left out feeling that I helped out him. 18:38.500 --> 18:41.500 I helped out the people, the hackers today. 18:41.500 --> 18:45.120 It's kind of reaffirming. 18:45.220 --> 18:49.660 It's a good feeling to know that he actually knew what you were talking about, first of all. 18:50.460 --> 18:52.040 He wasn't completely incompetent. 18:52.220 --> 18:56.900 I'm surprised that you actually got someone who knew anything about what you were talking about and didn't just give you blank stares. 18:56.900 --> 19:00.420 Secondly, that he was approachable. 19:00.520 --> 19:02.660 He actually did appreciate what you did for him. 19:02.660 --> 19:12.860 I mean, we've heard lots of horror stories of people saying that they reported this to their school lab manager, to the principal or whatever, and ended up getting in trouble for it. 19:13.000 --> 19:17.420 So, you know, I like to think those are few and far between, those kind of stories. 19:17.620 --> 19:19.900 So, you know, yeah, I'm the same way. 19:19.940 --> 19:23.120 If I find stuff like that, I'm usually pretty quick to share it. 19:23.140 --> 19:31.380 If I find a website with a problem like that, I usually email it, give them time to fix it before I go broadcast it other places, and usually anyway. 19:31.380 --> 19:34.340 So, yeah, that's very cool. 19:34.460 --> 19:37.360 Now, did they slip you a little cash on the side? 19:37.480 --> 19:38.760 Did they give you like a gift card? 19:38.980 --> 19:46.780 I want to paraphrase here that if there wasn't any contracts involved, he would have hired me on the spot. 19:47.640 --> 19:48.580 Oh, man. 19:49.920 --> 19:52.160 Tell him he can give you a contract. 19:52.860 --> 19:53.840 No, I should have. 19:54.060 --> 19:59.060 Yeah, they have an exclusive contract probably with some outside security vendor or with some, yeah. 19:59.140 --> 20:00.320 Through set up to their company. 20:00.320 --> 20:03.220 Yeah, store policy of some, or, yeah. 20:04.540 --> 20:04.860 Huh. 20:05.300 --> 20:11.700 Yeah, well, you know, that goes back to what we were, you know, kind of mentioned earlier is, yeah, we try this stuff on our own machines. 20:11.920 --> 20:13.380 We hack on our own sites. 20:13.500 --> 20:19.280 We don't go out and, you know, frequently attack a bunch of other sites just for the sake of destruction, you know. 20:19.440 --> 20:23.460 It's, it's, there's a lot of constructive things you can do with hacking knowledge. 20:23.580 --> 20:24.600 So, that's, that's a good story. 20:24.720 --> 20:26.000 I'm glad to hear that one. 20:26.000 --> 20:32.100 I don't like hacking hamster sites with the name hamster and the domain name, but that's another story altogether. 20:33.200 --> 20:35.360 What, a hamster site? 20:35.600 --> 20:43.440 Yeah, some, I think, I think it was some April Fool's joke, but, but in July it was on, it was on security news portal, but that's not here nor there. 20:43.440 --> 20:46.940 Oh, all right, we'll have to go into that one another show, I guess. 20:47.040 --> 20:48.160 That's the first I've heard of that. 20:49.680 --> 20:52.340 Boy, I don't, I actually, I don't have anything that cool to talk about this week. 20:52.440 --> 21:04.260 My, my highlight of my week was a trip up to Daytona, Florida, where I, the most, the highlight of my whole week was buying some new stickers for my laptop. 21:04.260 --> 21:25.180 Went to some store in a mall up there, it was some kind of, uh, uh, punk rock clothing store, I don't know how to describe it, actually, I don't know the name of the place, but, um, they sold a lot of, uh, stickers and, um, iron-ons and patches and stuff like that for clothes, so I figured, what the hell, I'll buy a few stickers. 21:25.320 --> 21:27.960 They had a couple stickers there I liked that I'd put on my, my laptop. 21:28.100 --> 21:32.260 You, you put, you put stickers on your laptop, or do you like it nice and, yeah. 21:32.260 --> 21:41.900 I'm only going, I have only gone with one sticker, the Hacker Sticker, from, what is it, uh, is it HackerStickers.com? 21:42.660 --> 21:44.820 I'm not sure of the domain name, you'll, you can find it pretty quickly. 21:45.340 --> 21:45.960 It's Japanese. 21:46.680 --> 21:47.800 Oh, the Japanese, yeah. 21:47.920 --> 21:58.060 It's interesting, at camp, as everyone knows, I just came back from camp a couple weeks ago, uh, there's a kid there that has taken, that was taking Japanese in high school, Hank, she read it for me. 21:58.680 --> 21:59.760 It's pronounced Haka. 22:00.340 --> 22:01.040 Yeah, it's Haka. 22:01.040 --> 22:02.240 It's Haka, yeah. 22:02.260 --> 22:03.520 Yeah, so, that was kind of nice of him. 22:03.920 --> 22:12.360 So, uh, the only other sticker I would buy, or type of sticker would be, from them, it would be a, uh, the white, it would be completely white to match the iBook. 22:13.040 --> 22:13.240 Hmm. 22:13.500 --> 22:19.980 I don't want anything standing, I wouldn't be like, you know, kind of recessed, you know, look and be like, oh, okay, I see what's going on here. 22:20.280 --> 22:20.520 Right. 22:20.540 --> 22:23.100 The next one would be the Pagastorm sticker that they have. 22:23.560 --> 22:23.880 Right. 22:24.200 --> 22:25.100 That'd be very nice of him. 22:25.100 --> 22:31.540 Yeah, some people, you know, even when I got my first laptop, I didn't, you know, I kind of didn't want to put any stickers on them. 22:31.580 --> 22:34.980 I liked it, you know, looking new, pristine, nice, clean laptop and everything. 22:35.320 --> 22:42.780 And, um, especially if you're going to take it, like, to work or anything like that, you know, all of a sudden you got these stickers on and people are going to start raising eyebrows at you. 22:42.780 --> 22:45.580 But I finally broke down and said, what the hell, I don't really care. 22:46.300 --> 22:49.440 Uh, I had that, uh, Japanese hacker sticker on the back of my car, by the way. 22:49.660 --> 22:50.180 I saw that. 22:50.320 --> 22:51.640 I just, I just put it on there. 22:51.740 --> 22:52.160 I, um. 22:52.200 --> 22:53.860 The free, the free promotion? 22:54.560 --> 22:55.160 Yeah, yeah. 22:55.220 --> 23:02.160 I got from when they were, if you put a link to their site on your, uh, page, then they were sending out a free sticker and I got the, uh, Japanese hacker. 23:02.280 --> 23:07.500 It's the white, it's white and I waited until I, I just recently had the tinting on my car done. 23:07.500 --> 23:13.160 And so when they were finished with the tinting, I went on and put the sticker on the outside so it's a white on the black tinting. 23:13.360 --> 23:14.180 Looks really nice. 23:14.240 --> 23:15.400 I'm actually very happy with it. 23:16.540 --> 23:19.060 Um, and of course I have the RFA sticker. 23:19.220 --> 23:20.000 I have that on my car. 23:20.080 --> 23:20.960 I have that on my laptop. 23:21.780 --> 23:24.300 Um, but yeah, on my laptop I just bought a couple. 23:24.480 --> 23:26.840 They're kind of silly, I guess, but I thought they were funny. 23:26.920 --> 23:30.380 Like, uh, there's one that says, I may look weird, but I can kick your ass at Jeopardy. 23:31.460 --> 23:32.960 Um, got one. 23:33.020 --> 23:36.700 See, this is, this is like my theme song for everything for the world. 23:36.700 --> 23:40.340 It's, I got a sticker that says, I'm tired of stupid people. 23:41.220 --> 23:43.640 See, that's, I just can never say that enough. 23:43.740 --> 23:45.620 I just, it's like the story of my life. 23:45.680 --> 23:51.180 I just never run into, it's, we need a sticker that says, I hate the normals or something like that. 23:51.200 --> 23:53.780 Or, I don't know, I can't deal with normal people. 23:53.820 --> 23:55.400 So I thought that was pretty appropriate for me. 23:56.040 --> 24:02.280 Um, I picked up one in Spencer Gifts and I think everybody, that must be one of those stores in every mall in America. 24:02.440 --> 24:05.200 I think it was supposed to be a bumper sticker, but I put it on my laptop. 24:05.200 --> 24:10.540 It says, if at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried. 24:10.540 --> 24:13.500 So I thought that was pretty appropriate for the laptop. 24:14.500 --> 24:19.000 I won't say in Y or allude to any connotation there. 24:19.480 --> 24:24.940 My favorite one, though, was, I don't know if this is deep or if this is kind of cliche, 24:25.220 --> 24:27.720 but it says, you all laugh because I am different. 24:28.140 --> 24:30.060 I laugh because you are all the same. 24:30.900 --> 24:33.480 I thought that was the most profound one and that's my favorite one. 24:33.480 --> 24:38.520 And I kind of wish maybe I had only put that one on there and left the rest for something else. 24:40.020 --> 24:44.980 Do you think, you know, I have the RFA sticker on there also, like I said, and I have that on my car. 24:45.280 --> 24:47.240 Do you think we ought to make a BinRev radio sticker? 24:47.580 --> 24:48.860 I think it would be pretty nice. 24:49.040 --> 24:50.400 I think maybe it's a BinRev sticker. 24:50.400 --> 24:56.660 Or just BinRev or actually Binary Revolution all the way out or BinRev.com. 24:57.400 --> 24:59.500 We might have to, we might have to design a sticker. 25:00.180 --> 25:04.320 Or if anybody wants to design a sticker, by all means, you know, maybe we should make a contest out of it 25:04.320 --> 25:09.380 or, you know, have some interaction or at least mail us, again, letters at BinRev.com. 25:09.460 --> 25:11.760 Let us know if we'd be interested in something like that. 25:11.760 --> 25:16.620 But, you know, I don't know if, you know, I don't know if the people really would care enough for something. 25:16.680 --> 25:17.380 I know I would. 25:17.480 --> 25:21.880 And maybe we could just print up a few of them for us and put them around in some interesting places. 25:22.000 --> 25:23.520 The RFA stickers do pretty well. 25:23.700 --> 25:28.060 So maybe we could put them in the magazine as well. 25:28.920 --> 25:29.240 Definitely. 25:30.460 --> 25:36.500 Anyway, let's move to some hacking topics, some actual news items instead of just our personal stories. 25:38.320 --> 25:40.520 Like, let's lighten up. 25:40.520 --> 25:49.980 This story just makes me laugh so much, maybe because I'm a redneck, maybe because I like the, what does Duel call it? 25:50.000 --> 25:51.000 Rednecks turning left? 25:53.160 --> 25:55.680 I actually, that's the reason I was in Daytona, I mentioned earlier. 25:55.760 --> 25:57.800 The reason I was in Daytona was up there for the NASCAR race. 25:58.120 --> 26:01.820 So you guys can go ahead and write me in and kind of make fun of that if you want to. 26:01.860 --> 26:02.320 That's fine. 26:02.700 --> 26:04.860 But this is a somewhat related story. 26:04.960 --> 26:06.600 I call it Rednecks Got Computers. 26:08.100 --> 26:09.000 It's really short. 26:09.000 --> 26:18.300 It's Michael Milo, I guess that's pronounced, acknowledged that he fired off more than half a million email messages to WFXT TV25 in Boston 26:18.300 --> 26:23.320 after the Red Sox game was broadcast instead of a NASCAR race in 2001. 26:23.320 --> 26:30.040 See, you don't give us our NASCAR and you're going to get messed up. 26:31.680 --> 26:41.580 So the network thought it was a hacker attack, shut down internet communication with the affiliate and was forced to spend about $36,000 to clean up the barrage. 26:41.700 --> 26:43.920 It's discrimination, plain and simple. 26:43.920 --> 26:46.060 See, that's what I'm saying. 26:46.360 --> 26:47.180 That's all I'm saying. 26:47.280 --> 26:48.200 Can't a brother get a break? 26:49.180 --> 26:51.940 How are you going to show a Red Sox game instead of a NASCAR race? 26:53.300 --> 26:56.220 I just thought that, where did they come up with $36,000 though? 26:57.220 --> 26:58.220 To clean up? 26:58.760 --> 27:02.700 I mean, yeah, I mean it sucks and the guy screwed up and I'm, you know. 27:02.700 --> 27:13.080 Actually, it's not quite as bad, it doesn't end as bad as a lot of the other hacking stories or, yeah, hacking stories turn out, I guess, for lack of a better word. 27:13.140 --> 27:19.160 It says, he actually pleaded guilty to a federal misdemeanor charge of damage to protected computer system. 27:19.560 --> 27:24.320 Under a plea agreement, the government recommended a sentence of six months confinement in a halfway house. 27:24.720 --> 27:26.700 And his sentencing is August 12th. 27:28.240 --> 27:30.020 There's people that send out to spam every day. 27:30.020 --> 27:32.840 Well, yeah, that's true. 27:32.840 --> 27:33.600 They're not getting destroyed. 27:34.780 --> 27:38.320 Yeah, you know, I guess, well, he pleaded guilty. 27:38.460 --> 27:43.440 I mean, I guess he did the right thing and stepped up and, you know, he didn't, it could have been a lot worse, you know. 27:43.480 --> 27:52.100 He could have been a whole Mitnick situation all over again or Agent Steele or some of these people that get put in jail for long periods of time and aren't allowed to touch computers. 27:52.200 --> 27:56.040 It could have been worse, but, yeah, it could have been, could have been less, too. 27:56.640 --> 27:58.600 I still want to, what is that $36,000? 27:58.600 --> 28:02.700 I mean, he mail-bombed them, basically, for lack, you know. 28:03.100 --> 28:04.720 He sent a bunch of emails to them. 28:05.460 --> 28:07.780 Yes, they panicked and took it offline, I guess. 28:08.140 --> 28:12.580 But as soon as they realized what was going on, they realized they probably shouldn't have panicked. 28:12.660 --> 28:22.600 All it was, isn't it, this is oversimplifying it, don't get me wrong, but it's pretty much a simple case of delete star where email address is equal to whatever, you know. 28:22.600 --> 28:24.920 It seems like it's a fairly simple cleanup. 28:25.040 --> 28:27.160 I don't know where $36,000 comes in. 28:28.820 --> 28:31.840 That seems a little expensive, but, I don't know, is that fair? 28:31.940 --> 28:34.140 Six months confinement in a halfway house. 28:34.320 --> 28:34.600 I have no idea. 28:34.660 --> 28:36.860 That could be maybe a bandwidth thing. 28:38.100 --> 28:41.100 Yeah, but, I don't know, that seems kind of... 28:41.100 --> 28:44.340 There might be some money spent in a bandwidth, but not nearly $36,000. 28:45.220 --> 28:53.880 Well, they shut it down, so they weren't getting charged for a bandwidth while it was down, so he thinks that would balance it back out or something. 28:54.000 --> 28:54.140 Yeah. 28:54.560 --> 28:59.100 I wonder if there was an advertising, a loss of advertising somehow accounted for... 28:59.100 --> 29:02.260 Could have been any number of things in that, but... 29:02.260 --> 29:09.540 Here's a, you know, one of my favorite, favorite companies in the whole world is America Online. 29:11.560 --> 29:15.520 That was sarcasm, by the way, just for anybody who doesn't know any better. 29:15.660 --> 29:16.140 Making sure. 29:16.420 --> 29:17.660 AOL is suck. 29:17.880 --> 29:19.220 I absolutely hate AOL. 29:20.220 --> 29:22.620 And here's just one more reason why. 29:22.980 --> 29:24.500 This is the shortest story. 29:24.500 --> 29:25.500 This is a one-liner. 29:26.140 --> 29:29.020 But, basically, they had their annual shareholders meeting lately. 29:29.780 --> 29:34.740 All 13 of AOL Time Warner directors were running unopposed. 29:35.820 --> 29:39.020 Nobody, nobody was running against them. 29:39.640 --> 29:42.620 The jobs were just handed right back to them. 29:43.280 --> 29:43.920 What the hell? 29:44.220 --> 29:45.980 I don't understand. 29:46.980 --> 29:50.260 The company's not doing that well, you know? 29:50.360 --> 29:52.240 There's been talk of them splitting again. 29:52.380 --> 29:57.240 There's been talk about how much money they've lost and how they're... 29:57.240 --> 30:02.140 That the AOL part of it, anyway, has become kind of a drain on the overall company. 30:03.020 --> 30:05.880 So, somehow... 30:05.880 --> 30:07.520 Again, it's more apathy. 30:07.640 --> 30:08.620 People just don't care. 30:08.700 --> 30:10.420 It's like, oh, yeah, sure, just put them back in there. 30:10.460 --> 30:11.040 We don't care. 30:11.600 --> 30:16.800 Well, I hope if you keep watching your money and the value of your stock's going down, you'll start to care soon. 30:17.800 --> 30:18.300 But, um... 30:18.300 --> 30:21.720 If I'm going to invest in a company, I want to know what the hell's going on with it. 30:22.440 --> 30:24.140 Yeah, well, you'd think so. 30:25.300 --> 30:28.700 There's also another, you know, the meeting itself, they go over a lot of things. 30:28.700 --> 30:34.600 That's when people bring up rules they want to make or changes they want to make to the company and stuff like that. 30:35.100 --> 30:36.560 And one of them that I was... 30:36.560 --> 30:40.580 And I was reading the report on this because I hate them so much. 30:40.620 --> 30:43.120 I try to keep tabs and see what they're doing and what they're trying. 30:44.100 --> 30:48.540 One of the things that was brought up kind of confused me on why this did not pass. 30:48.620 --> 30:49.980 It was turned down. 30:50.340 --> 30:51.140 And I'm going to read to you. 30:51.140 --> 30:58.520 It was a proposal by a Christian organization, which that's irrelevant, but it was a proposal by a Christian organization, 30:58.520 --> 31:04.640 to require the company to detail how much more its executives make than low-rung workers. 31:05.460 --> 31:08.180 It only got 7% approval. 31:09.600 --> 31:13.280 Basically, it was a request for disclosure of salaries. 31:13.960 --> 31:17.760 How much do the executives make compared to the low-rung workers? 31:17.840 --> 31:20.360 It got 7% approval. 31:21.860 --> 31:24.960 Now, who would not vote for that kind of thing? 31:26.340 --> 31:28.240 Why would you not want to know that? 31:28.240 --> 31:33.660 That's information that, especially, again, with the company performing poorly, I want to know, 31:33.740 --> 31:39.960 are these guys making $700 billion a year compared to everybody at the bottom rung? 31:40.080 --> 31:41.620 You know, what's the separation there? 31:41.640 --> 31:42.340 What's the distinction? 31:42.840 --> 31:46.480 And I think it's because, you know, the executives don't want people to know how much they make. 31:46.540 --> 31:50.320 They always kind of try to hide that as much as they can, even though it should be disclosed. 31:51.000 --> 31:54.820 Only 7% of the stockholders voted for it, though. 31:55.440 --> 31:59.020 If you own stock in America, God forbid you own stock in America. 31:59.020 --> 32:00.240 Oh, no, I don't touch on that stuff. 32:00.320 --> 32:01.240 God forbid you did. 32:01.360 --> 32:02.320 Wouldn't you want to know? 32:02.420 --> 32:06.360 I mean, doesn't that just seem like any request for information I think I would vote for, 32:06.560 --> 32:08.180 almost unequivocally. 32:08.180 --> 32:13.780 I would blindly say, yes, I want all the information I can get about this company that I partially own, 32:13.840 --> 32:15.180 because that's what owning stocks is. 32:15.180 --> 32:18.700 I think the problem is that a lot of people, when I've seen this before, 32:19.200 --> 32:24.140 that have bought stock before, and I've seen what happens with days that they send you a big packet, 32:24.780 --> 32:26.880 and the packet's got a bunch of paper in it, 32:27.200 --> 32:29.480 and the only meaning people piece of paper is in the front, where it says, 32:29.600 --> 32:31.040 check, a bunch of check boxes. 32:32.080 --> 32:34.920 And everyone that gets stock throws it away because they have no idea what it is. 32:35.240 --> 32:35.600 Right. 32:35.800 --> 32:39.320 I'm throwing, people throwing away the chance to change something. 32:39.320 --> 32:46.220 So, and they do have a possibility, it's not like an election where you vote, 32:46.320 --> 32:48.780 but, oh, wait, sorry, your vote really doesn't count for much, 32:48.840 --> 32:51.880 because the electoral college knows this is going to count for something. 32:52.980 --> 32:58.980 Well, I think your electoral vote counts for something, too, but that's a whole other topic. 32:58.980 --> 33:00.680 When you vote for the popular vote, that's what I mean. 33:00.800 --> 33:01.060 All right. 33:02.740 --> 33:06.800 Yeah, you know, and it's, another thing is, again, I own a few stocks, too. 33:06.800 --> 33:13.320 Well, I did until I had to, I had to sell those off to liquidate and get some cash fundage out of them, 33:13.380 --> 33:19.980 but the other thing is when those voting, when those votes, the papers come for you to put your vote on, 33:20.020 --> 33:25.160 I can't think of the term, for you to bubble in, it has written across there, 33:26.040 --> 33:32.880 the shareholders suggest, or the executive committee suggest you vote yes or no. 33:32.880 --> 33:37.920 You know, they tell you what to vote, and a lot of sheep, a lot of the normals, they just say, 33:38.040 --> 33:41.480 okay, well, if that's what they recommend, then, geez, that's what I'm going to vote, 33:41.520 --> 33:44.580 and they just send it on back in if they send it in at all. 33:45.300 --> 33:49.820 So, you know, when you have the opportunity to vote, and owning a company, you do own a percentage of that, 33:50.220 --> 33:53.840 you have the right to vote and have some say on where that company is going. 33:53.840 --> 33:59.940 So, you know, if you don't exercise it, you know, I hope, you know, you're happy with the value of your stock going down, 33:59.980 --> 34:06.900 if that's what it was, don't complain about it, because you didn't take that opportunity to make a change. 34:07.380 --> 34:13.860 Let me just tell everyone right now, you ever get access to a time machine, go back to 2000, 34:14.880 --> 34:18.560 buy all your tech stocks, buy your big companies, and ride them out. 34:18.560 --> 34:20.840 The only way you're going to make money. 34:21.260 --> 34:31.740 I bought Nvidia at 18, went up to like 60, sold it, went higher, dead, killed me for it. 34:32.200 --> 34:32.580 Mm-mm. 34:33.320 --> 34:33.760 Sucks. 34:34.480 --> 34:38.920 Yeah, I jumped off of Amazon.com finally. 34:39.120 --> 34:41.400 I bought it when it was down at six bucks. 34:41.400 --> 34:46.840 I know a lot of people bought it much cheaper than that, but I bought it at six bucks and jumped off at like 30 something. 34:46.840 --> 34:53.100 Unfortunately, I only had ten shares in there because I'm not exactly Rockefeller, but at least I made a little money on that one. 34:54.940 --> 35:02.220 There was another measure on AOLs to require AOL Time Warner to adopt more worker-friendly practices in China. 35:02.500 --> 35:07.960 This one also failed with 7% of the vote, and that one was on the ballot for the second time. 35:08.100 --> 35:10.640 Failed with 7% last year, failed with 7% this year. 35:10.640 --> 35:24.340 You know, that, I guess, you know, maybe there's some reason out there somebody would not want to vote for that, but, you know, sending all your work off to these sweatshops, you know, it's just... 35:24.340 --> 35:28.340 It's time that, you know, they stopped making all those CDs. 35:29.640 --> 35:29.960 Yeah. 35:30.180 --> 35:32.940 I think the world has enough AOL CDs to kill them. 35:32.940 --> 35:36.580 Yeah, you know, actually, that's a good segue. 35:36.920 --> 35:38.060 Thank you very much for that. 35:39.900 --> 35:40.300 The... 35:40.300 --> 35:41.660 Oh, God, this... 35:41.660 --> 35:43.320 I'm going to try to stay calm on this. 35:43.660 --> 35:46.860 Hey, I've actually made it a long way without using that word, haven't I? 35:46.980 --> 35:47.760 Hey, you made it. 35:47.760 --> 35:48.540 I just realized that. 35:48.540 --> 35:50.600 I was about to use it, and I just caught myself. 35:51.080 --> 35:51.280 Right. 35:51.280 --> 36:03.320 Um, yeah, AOL is also in the news recently because they filed $10 million worth of lawsuits against dozens of companies and individuals accused of spamming AOL customers. 36:03.920 --> 36:05.040 Isn't that wonderful of them? 36:05.100 --> 36:06.020 Isn't that nice of them? 36:07.100 --> 36:09.280 Because, you know, AOL doesn't spam... 36:09.940 --> 36:10.400 Wait a minute. 36:11.220 --> 36:12.120 Wait a minute, I'm confused. 36:12.960 --> 36:18.280 AOL was suing other people for spamming their customers, but... 36:18.280 --> 36:22.700 Oh, they must want exclusive rights to spam their own customers. 36:22.820 --> 36:24.020 That must be what that's about. 36:24.780 --> 36:27.180 Well, you know, who wants exclusive rights to spam? 36:28.080 --> 36:28.440 A... 36:28.440 --> 36:31.760 AOL is the king of spam. 36:32.240 --> 36:33.980 Nobody spams like AOL. 36:35.140 --> 36:36.540 No, they own the... 36:36.540 --> 36:39.560 The material spam market. 36:41.480 --> 36:44.000 Well, they own the digital spam market. 36:44.000 --> 36:48.660 I mean, the AOL software itself, that's one of the big complaints. 36:49.380 --> 36:56.420 I haven't used any recent versions of AOL for good reason, but I have seen people who have, and it's... 36:56.420 --> 36:57.540 It bombards them. 36:58.040 --> 37:06.100 When you go on a website or something, everybody hates when you get pop-ups on the webpages that are, you know, you have to fight and you have to use pop-up blocking software. 37:06.100 --> 37:13.420 However, AOL, in addition to whatever you get from outside, AOL pops up inside their internal software, inside their client. 37:13.800 --> 37:16.340 They pop up little sales ads and stuff like that. 37:17.280 --> 37:17.880 It's... 37:17.880 --> 37:22.220 They have pop-ups that won't go away. 37:22.360 --> 37:24.240 They have pop-ups every time you log on. 37:25.000 --> 37:28.740 And, again, I don't use that, but I use AOL Instant Messenger quite a bit. 37:28.740 --> 37:33.500 But, and, is it considered spam that they're at the bottom, or is it that... 37:33.500 --> 37:36.840 No, at the top of it, they have that little ad that's built into AOL Messenger. 37:36.980 --> 37:38.120 I consider that spam. 37:39.480 --> 37:40.740 You know, I can't get rid of it. 37:40.760 --> 37:41.420 It won't go away. 37:41.500 --> 37:42.380 I didn't ask for it. 37:42.380 --> 37:43.000 I don't like it. 37:43.480 --> 37:48.420 There was a trick in 2600 Magazine, I guess, a year or two ago on how to take that out that I had... 37:48.420 --> 37:49.980 I went in and did that, and it worked. 37:50.040 --> 37:53.760 I haven't tried it since I reinstalled the computer 20 times since then. 37:53.760 --> 37:57.020 But, you know, generally, most people can't get rid of that. 37:57.080 --> 37:57.740 Is that spam? 37:59.300 --> 37:59.660 Partially. 37:59.880 --> 38:01.420 Yeah, and there's a splash screen. 38:01.480 --> 38:04.600 Every time you start the AOL, by default, the splash screen is on. 38:04.640 --> 38:06.660 You have to go into the options and turn the damn thing off. 38:07.300 --> 38:10.140 But, yeah, what you're talking about is the physical spam. 38:10.140 --> 38:15.360 I mean, I can't, you know, walk to my car without stepping on an AOL disk somewhere. 38:17.020 --> 38:18.320 My magazine subscription... 38:18.320 --> 38:20.340 That's a funny thing that I can't figure out. 38:20.420 --> 38:25.460 Like, if you subscribe to some of the very technical magazines out there, 38:25.460 --> 38:29.120 why do they still feel the need to put the AOL software in there? 38:29.340 --> 38:30.860 You can only have so many disks. 38:31.080 --> 38:32.740 Yeah, I mean, I collect them. 38:32.940 --> 38:33.640 I have fun with... 38:33.640 --> 38:35.580 Anytime I see one, I keep it. 38:35.620 --> 38:38.340 I've got a whole file cabinet full of AOL disks. 38:39.380 --> 38:39.880 No joke. 38:39.880 --> 38:43.700 I have, like, from version AOL 1.0, like, early, early versions. 38:43.800 --> 38:44.540 I probably have... 38:44.540 --> 38:45.420 Who are floppy disks? 38:45.820 --> 38:46.760 I have floppies. 38:46.840 --> 38:49.100 I have CDs when they first started coming out on CDs. 38:49.400 --> 38:50.400 I have mini CDs. 38:50.740 --> 38:51.520 I have... 38:51.520 --> 38:55.080 Yeah, I have probably every version of AOL known to mankind. 38:55.340 --> 38:59.900 I think there's actually already a site out there somewhere that has all of those to download 38:59.900 --> 39:04.660 if you wanted, for some reason, to reverse engineer, disassemble them, or something like that. 39:04.860 --> 39:06.960 But the first versions are, like... 39:06.960 --> 39:09.760 Yeah, they're, you know, they're fit on a diskette. 39:09.800 --> 39:11.620 Like you said, they're 1.44 or less. 39:11.660 --> 39:15.780 I think they had 720K on the low-density diskettes when they first came out, too. 39:15.860 --> 39:17.540 I want to see someone log on with that. 39:18.520 --> 39:19.200 It still works. 39:19.200 --> 39:19.920 I... 39:19.920 --> 39:21.300 Yeah, anybody out there... 39:21.300 --> 39:23.000 I know we have some people that use AOL. 39:23.460 --> 39:24.160 God help you. 39:24.620 --> 39:25.820 But let us know. 39:26.180 --> 39:30.820 I'm pretty sure that if you install an old version of AOL, I think it forcibly upgrades you. 39:31.340 --> 39:32.040 That'd be hilarious. 39:32.240 --> 39:32.900 I think you don't... 39:32.900 --> 39:34.620 I don't think you have a choice to use it. 39:34.840 --> 39:37.540 I don't even think back then they had a TCP IP function. 39:38.120 --> 39:41.620 Because now in AOL, you can see go over TCP IP. 39:42.300 --> 39:43.900 I think back then it was only dial-up. 39:44.980 --> 39:48.180 I wonder if it would be a fun game or a fun experiment 39:48.180 --> 39:50.960 if you were to set up, say, a Windows 3.1 box. 39:51.040 --> 39:52.960 You know they don't update the software for that. 39:53.360 --> 39:54.540 They've given up on that. 39:55.400 --> 40:00.060 If you were to put an old version on an old Windows 3.1 box or something like that 40:00.060 --> 40:01.980 and try to connect with it, what it would do? 40:02.360 --> 40:06.320 If it can't update to get to newer software, I wonder if it would still work. 40:06.720 --> 40:10.180 And if it did, I wonder if there were any holes in that that are still, you know, 40:10.280 --> 40:12.040 that you could play with and do. 40:12.820 --> 40:13.420 It'd be interesting. 40:13.420 --> 40:17.900 That'd be fun to do, but I don't want it enough to actually sign up for an AOL account. 40:18.060 --> 40:21.900 If anybody else wants to try that and let us know, mail us in at the address we gave you before. 40:24.180 --> 40:25.420 Yeah, what about... 40:25.960 --> 40:26.700 I don't know. 40:26.760 --> 40:28.420 I kind of like collecting the AOL discs now. 40:28.520 --> 40:30.320 It really has turned into a collection for me. 40:32.080 --> 40:37.920 I've got to come up with some creative ways and some games or some tricks to do with the AOL discs. 40:37.980 --> 40:40.100 I know we had a thread in the forums for a while about that, 40:40.100 --> 40:42.940 but I've got a lot of AOL discs. 40:43.160 --> 40:44.200 I think you can see what the one guy did. 40:44.320 --> 40:51.880 He attached CDs to his Dremel and kicked the Dremel really fast and dropped the CDs on the ground. 40:52.040 --> 40:52.320 Yep. 40:52.540 --> 40:53.420 And it would bounce. 40:53.940 --> 40:55.280 It would run up walls and stuff. 40:55.400 --> 40:57.140 Yeah, I posted that link in the forums, too. 40:57.160 --> 40:58.560 I thought that was very cool. 40:58.760 --> 40:59.840 There were some other similar things. 40:59.960 --> 41:00.420 I saw the... 41:00.420 --> 41:00.660 Try that. 41:00.700 --> 41:01.480 That's going to be so cool. 41:01.620 --> 41:02.680 Yeah, the one with the... 41:02.680 --> 41:03.780 You could put them in the microwave. 41:03.900 --> 41:05.020 Some people filmed that before. 41:05.120 --> 41:06.440 That's kind of played out, though. 41:06.440 --> 41:11.920 But, yeah, the one where he put it on that drill and sent it, it climbed up the wall two or three times. 41:12.000 --> 41:16.980 It had so much momentum that it hit the ground spinning again and just looped around. 41:17.740 --> 41:21.620 He shot it in the fishbowl and it just spun inside the fishbowl. 41:21.660 --> 41:22.320 That was pretty funny. 41:22.320 --> 41:27.840 Anyway, that's probably not good radio because they can't see that visually. 41:27.980 --> 41:38.240 But you can go to the forums at stankdawg.com, S-T-A-N-K-D-A-W-G.com and click on forums and you can find it from there. 41:38.280 --> 41:41.320 If you can't, then, you know, you don't want it bad enough. 41:42.840 --> 41:43.200 Spam. 41:43.280 --> 41:43.840 Back to spam. 41:44.060 --> 41:45.260 Virginia, my home state. 41:45.620 --> 41:46.620 I was born in Virginia. 41:46.700 --> 41:47.380 Very proud of that. 41:47.500 --> 41:47.980 Born and raised. 41:48.380 --> 41:49.540 No, and I wasn't raised. 41:49.640 --> 41:49.960 You were home. 41:49.960 --> 41:52.800 No, I was only there for, oh, I actually went back and forth. 41:53.140 --> 41:54.120 I've moved a lot. 41:54.820 --> 41:55.880 We'll leave that at that. 41:56.860 --> 42:02.540 I, yeah, it's home, but I, yeah, I was raised in a lot of, a lot of different places. 42:04.540 --> 42:07.740 They, however, just passed a new anti-spam law. 42:07.740 --> 42:14.160 It allows the state to seize assets of convicted spammers and a prison sentence of up to five years. 42:14.160 --> 42:20.360 So our buddy, the redneck up there, you know, he's, I hope that wasn't in Virginia, or if it was, it was before this was passed. 42:20.980 --> 42:22.600 But finally, you've got some teeth. 42:22.680 --> 42:30.680 You've got a law that you can actually, you know, threaten people with, you know, that you can actually put them in jail and make them pay, you know. 42:30.680 --> 42:34.500 You know, it's still not powerful enough, you ask me. 42:34.620 --> 42:38.600 I'd say, you know, for each offense, cut off a testicle. 42:38.680 --> 42:39.340 That's what I say. 42:39.380 --> 42:40.440 They'll only do it twice. 42:42.080 --> 42:43.740 You know, they, I mean, I'm sorry. 42:43.800 --> 42:45.000 They're just the scum of the earth to me. 42:45.060 --> 42:46.340 I hate spam more than anything. 42:46.340 --> 42:54.700 But how are you, the question with these is, at least this is, yeah, it's effective, the penalty is better, but how do you enforce this? 42:54.760 --> 42:57.380 How do you, how do you prove this in court? 42:57.480 --> 43:01.360 You know, our judicial system is something else I'm, you know, not impressed with lately. 43:01.520 --> 43:11.600 People, it's so hard to prove things beyond a shadow of a doubt, and, you know, what's going to stop them from going in there and claiming that, oh, no, I didn't send out spam. 43:11.600 --> 43:14.100 I was, my system was hacked and someone else spammed it. 43:14.120 --> 43:16.080 They'll blame it on hackers like everybody else does. 43:16.940 --> 43:19.520 It's going to be difficult to nail it down and make it stick to somebody. 43:19.600 --> 43:20.300 That's my worry. 43:21.540 --> 43:22.760 And what about the rest of the states? 43:22.820 --> 43:23.820 Are other states going to follow? 43:23.880 --> 43:27.400 Actually, some states I have been reading recently, some other states have followed. 43:28.560 --> 43:39.140 So, hopefully the federal government might consolidate all this into one law, like their do not call list, which we need to go into a detailed analysis on. 43:39.140 --> 43:40.900 That's more of an RFA topic there. 43:41.480 --> 43:43.780 We might have to bring that up on Radio Freak America this week. 43:43.820 --> 43:44.240 What do you think? 43:45.100 --> 43:45.660 I would bet. 43:45.860 --> 43:46.080 Yeah. 43:46.340 --> 43:48.960 Here's another good one. 43:49.020 --> 43:51.800 One of my favorite sites, The Smoking Gun. 43:53.020 --> 43:54.260 TheSmokingGun.com. 43:56.760 --> 43:58.160 Finally, well, not finally. 43:58.280 --> 43:59.400 I guess, actually, this surprised me. 43:59.440 --> 44:00.360 I didn't see this coming. 44:00.960 --> 44:03.860 But The Smoking Gun is coming to television. 44:04.400 --> 44:05.480 Oh, yeah. 44:05.480 --> 44:11.400 Making the TV show, The Smoking Gun, which is, for people who are not unaware, of course, you can go check it out. 44:11.400 --> 44:12.020 TheSmokingGun.com. 44:12.020 --> 44:12.920 TheSmokingGun.com. 44:12.920 --> 44:13.720 Pretty easy URL. 44:13.720 --> 44:17.340 They're real good about digging up the dirt. 44:17.340 --> 44:17.960 The dirt. 44:17.960 --> 44:18.080 The dirt. 44:18.080 --> 44:19.180 Yeah, the dirt. 44:19.180 --> 44:23.260 They dig up all the, it's like disclosure information is what I call it. 44:23.260 --> 44:27.760 It's like public records when people get arrested or when people file lawsuits. 44:27.760 --> 44:29.840 That's all technically public information. 44:29.840 --> 44:31.000 It's part of the public record. 44:31.000 --> 44:35.900 And it's sometimes difficult to get it, but The Smoking Gun always finds a way. 44:35.980 --> 44:42.900 They're the ones breaking the stories when somebody gets arrested or when somebody is caught driving drunk or commits a crime and they try to cover it up. 44:42.900 --> 44:51.840 But, you know, the mass media might not tell you about such and such person getting this because they're, you know, it's a media of pretty boy and they don't want to drag his name in the mud. 44:51.920 --> 44:53.480 Well, The Smoking Gun is there. 44:54.040 --> 44:55.920 The Smoking Gun will have it in a day. 44:56.280 --> 44:57.640 It's a line from our theme song. 44:59.460 --> 45:12.500 They are going to be on, ironically, they're on court TV, which really, really, really sucks for me because my cable company sucks ass and I don't even get court TV. 45:12.500 --> 45:15.400 So, I'm not even going to be able to enjoy the thing. 45:15.600 --> 45:16.420 You get court TV? 45:16.720 --> 45:17.840 I believe, I get a lot of stuff. 45:17.920 --> 45:19.440 I get some pretty obscure stuff over here. 45:20.040 --> 45:23.840 I might get, like, Spanish court TV down here, but I don't get regular court TV. 45:23.840 --> 45:24.300 That would be great. 45:24.380 --> 45:26.940 No, that would be good because of all the different trials they'll have. 45:27.660 --> 45:28.440 What, like, what's that? 45:28.700 --> 45:30.840 They'll have all the different, they'll have the really good trials then. 45:32.100 --> 45:36.060 Yeah, remember that, that actually was created, sorry, I just took a drink there. 45:36.060 --> 45:48.020 That was actually created about the time of all the OJ and there was a lot of celebrity lawsuits and legal things going on that kind of spawned that. 45:48.100 --> 45:51.060 Everybody wanted to watch that damn OJ trial and stuff like that. 45:51.800 --> 45:53.400 It went on for a couple, a year. 45:53.400 --> 46:02.500 You know, that was the first sign, the first shot fired in the fall of our legal system. 46:03.000 --> 46:04.360 I'm not going to go off on a rant. 46:04.440 --> 46:06.760 I'm going to listen to our friend, our anonymous friend earlier. 46:06.860 --> 46:09.100 I'm going to try to stay off the soapbox for the rest of the show. 46:09.340 --> 46:12.960 It's like the first taste of real TV, reality television. 46:12.960 --> 46:14.940 Well, no, no, no, no. 46:15.100 --> 46:19.580 The first taste of reality television is my all-time favorite show, Cops. 46:20.220 --> 46:20.540 Cops. 46:20.660 --> 46:23.440 Cops is the shiz fucking nit. 46:23.680 --> 46:24.780 Damn it, I said the F word. 46:25.180 --> 46:26.420 Oh, I didn't say the other one. 46:26.480 --> 46:28.080 I didn't say that other word, but I said the F word. 46:28.140 --> 46:28.640 I was going to... 46:28.640 --> 46:31.220 All right, how far into the show were we? 46:31.240 --> 46:31.820 I didn't make it. 46:32.260 --> 46:32.800 Pretty far. 46:33.620 --> 46:35.560 That show is the bomb diggy. 46:35.660 --> 46:38.560 I love it, except they went through a couple bad years. 46:38.660 --> 46:41.060 I guess there was just no drama or anything going on. 46:41.060 --> 46:42.660 It's a tough time. 46:42.660 --> 46:44.300 Yeah, you'd have... 46:44.300 --> 46:49.140 I just got tired of seeing 75-year-old men get busted in prostitution stings. 46:49.220 --> 46:50.100 That's not exciting. 46:50.200 --> 46:50.840 Hey, come on. 46:50.940 --> 46:53.440 I want to see some domestic disputes, baby. 46:53.520 --> 46:55.600 I want to see some car chases and some shootouts. 46:55.720 --> 46:58.500 I want to see criminals getting what comes to them. 46:58.540 --> 46:59.980 I saw a good one today. 47:00.060 --> 47:02.400 I saw a guy who got stabbed, and he got... 47:02.400 --> 47:03.740 It was kidnapping as well. 47:03.920 --> 47:04.820 Oh, see, I... 47:04.820 --> 47:08.380 It was a new episode on, and I missed it because my sucky cable company 47:08.380 --> 47:12.340 put on, like, a Miss Teen Florida pageant or some stupid... 47:12.340 --> 47:13.360 You've got to go spam them, man. 47:13.980 --> 47:15.540 Yeah, oh, yeah, that's a good idea. 47:15.580 --> 47:18.160 I need to hook up with my friend up here, but no, I don't want to... 47:18.160 --> 47:20.400 I can't afford to spend six months in a halfway house. 47:20.480 --> 47:21.600 I'm going to pass on that one. 47:21.800 --> 47:23.380 You can't spend one month. 47:24.160 --> 47:25.500 Yeah, that's true, actually. 47:25.500 --> 47:28.920 Oh, here's one little irony in that story. 47:29.020 --> 47:29.520 This isn't... 47:29.520 --> 47:31.420 Actually, I dug this up, or I caught... 47:31.420 --> 47:32.120 This caught my eye. 47:32.740 --> 47:35.800 The smoking gun is a unit of Court TV, which I said, 47:36.120 --> 47:38.240 and you know who owns Court TV? 47:39.380 --> 47:40.980 AOL Time Warner. 47:41.820 --> 47:45.140 Well, I see the way we wrap the episode up by keeping it all contained, 47:45.280 --> 47:47.720 you know, keeping a whole chain of consciousness going. 47:47.820 --> 47:49.500 AOL Time Warner owns... 47:50.140 --> 47:51.740 Partially owns Court TV. 47:51.740 --> 47:55.740 So, I wonder if the smoking gun would... 47:56.500 --> 47:58.860 See, now they're going to pervert the smoking gun. 47:58.900 --> 48:03.600 If they ever did find information on AOL or something like that, 48:03.620 --> 48:07.380 or a Time Warner celebrity or something like that, 48:07.400 --> 48:09.580 do you think now they're going to have to have that media bias 48:09.580 --> 48:10.720 where they're not going to share that? 48:10.780 --> 48:12.460 They're going to stop them from putting that on the air? 48:12.700 --> 48:13.420 It's going to suck that. 48:13.420 --> 48:17.180 No, no, you can't put up Ruben from American Idol 48:17.180 --> 48:21.020 because that's one of our shows, and you'll kill the ratings, and, you know... 48:21.020 --> 48:21.620 I'm thinking about that. 48:21.640 --> 48:22.900 They're not going to put anything up now 48:22.900 --> 48:24.340 because almost everything's going by AOL. 48:24.500 --> 48:26.000 It's like the new Microsoft. 48:26.960 --> 48:31.500 And I hope this does not mean that the smokinggun.com is also... 48:31.500 --> 48:32.760 I hope that's still independent. 48:32.900 --> 48:34.680 I mean, they may have control over the TV show, 48:34.760 --> 48:38.760 but I hope they don't stop the stories on the smokinggun.com website. 48:38.760 --> 48:39.920 That would really bite. 48:41.700 --> 48:41.900 Hmm. 48:43.920 --> 48:45.040 All right, I got... 48:45.040 --> 48:45.660 Let's see. 48:45.840 --> 48:46.900 How much time do we have here? 48:46.940 --> 48:48.240 I'm going to hit one more story. 48:49.680 --> 48:50.900 I'm going to make this quick. 48:51.040 --> 48:52.960 Again, I'm going to stay off the soapbox on this, 48:53.040 --> 48:55.900 but this one really pisses me off a lot. 48:56.400 --> 49:01.360 Intuit, which is the company that makes TurboTax. 49:02.980 --> 49:05.820 Tax reporting software, which a lot of people use. 49:06.040 --> 49:07.900 A lot of listeners, I assume, probably use it. 49:07.900 --> 49:09.580 I've tried several different ones, actually, 49:09.660 --> 49:12.560 but I have to admit TurboTax was the easiest and quickest for me. 49:13.540 --> 49:15.280 Intuit, the makers of TurboTax report 49:15.280 --> 49:18.840 that there were two to three times as many TurboTax printed returns 49:18.840 --> 49:22.260 than the number of copies of software sold. 49:22.720 --> 49:25.180 Remember, this is also the same TurboTax 49:25.180 --> 49:31.540 that put little tiny pieces of code on your hard drive 49:31.540 --> 49:34.520 so it wouldn't even be erased when you format it. 49:36.140 --> 49:37.620 These guys are sick. 49:37.620 --> 49:38.880 They're trying hard. 49:39.000 --> 49:42.880 I mean, they're trying hard to, I guess, anti-piracy or something like that. 49:43.000 --> 49:48.260 They also, this year, they added some activation stage to the software 49:48.260 --> 49:49.360 where you install it. 49:50.240 --> 49:51.120 That's what I'm talking about. 49:51.260 --> 49:55.580 They would drop a little piece of, a couple bytes on your hard drive. 49:55.720 --> 49:56.060 Right. 49:56.260 --> 49:58.260 If you didn't have formatted, it would never go away. 49:58.260 --> 50:02.140 So, I installed that software on my computer 50:02.140 --> 50:09.140 and because my system had some problems and crashed, 50:09.300 --> 50:10.880 some of my software got corrupted, 50:11.380 --> 50:14.580 I tried to uninstall it and reinstall the software 50:14.580 --> 50:18.180 and when I did, it never would reactivate the damn thing. 50:18.640 --> 50:20.080 It never would reactivate. 50:20.120 --> 50:21.740 It kept saying that it was already on here 50:21.740 --> 50:23.500 and that it was illegal copy 50:23.500 --> 50:25.600 or some crap that's already been registered 50:25.600 --> 50:27.980 and I'm like, no shit, it's already been registered. 50:28.120 --> 50:29.820 I already, I ended up having to call this, 50:30.380 --> 50:32.540 I called an 800 number and they didn't want to help me 50:32.540 --> 50:34.380 and they ended up giving me a long distance number 50:34.380 --> 50:35.160 that I had to call 50:35.160 --> 50:37.680 and they finally issued me a new key 50:37.680 --> 50:39.140 to register the damn thing. 50:40.000 --> 50:42.560 Basically, I, you know, even if they are easier, 50:42.700 --> 50:44.820 even if they are, you know, cheaper, 50:45.160 --> 50:46.680 actually, the other ones are all, 50:47.400 --> 50:49.660 you wait until it gets a little bit closer to tax time, 50:49.740 --> 50:52.320 they're all, you'll get them for 10, 15 bucks, you know. 50:54.560 --> 50:56.040 I'm going to try something different. 50:56.200 --> 50:57.460 I mean, I'm just not dealing with that. 50:57.820 --> 50:59.720 And just, I mean, think about what I just said though. 50:59.780 --> 51:01.040 I mean, the more important thing here, 51:01.520 --> 51:05.080 they claim, they reported that there were two to three times 51:05.080 --> 51:07.000 as many TurboTax printed returns 51:07.000 --> 51:09.340 than the number of copies of software sold. 51:10.600 --> 51:13.580 You can track the number of copies of software sold 51:13.580 --> 51:15.300 because you know how many you manufacture. 51:16.180 --> 51:19.860 How do you trace or report or tell 51:19.860 --> 51:22.400 how many printed copies of your TurboTax, 51:22.900 --> 51:26.340 how many printed copies of the return from TurboTax were made? 51:26.420 --> 51:28.280 How do you count how many were printed? 51:28.740 --> 51:31.120 There's got to be some way for them to tell 51:31.120 --> 51:33.120 that it was printed by TurboTax 51:33.120 --> 51:34.500 and not by some other software 51:34.500 --> 51:36.400 and not by, you know, the federal government 51:36.400 --> 51:37.520 still makes printed forms. 51:38.200 --> 51:41.680 How do they tell that it was printed by TurboTax? 51:42.220 --> 51:42.580 A. 51:43.420 --> 51:44.960 B, the scary one, 51:45.580 --> 51:48.340 is how the, I almost said it again, 51:48.460 --> 51:50.980 how in the heck do they know? 51:52.560 --> 51:54.700 My federal tax return 51:54.700 --> 51:56.600 is a government document. 51:56.720 --> 51:57.980 I send it to the IRS. 51:57.980 --> 52:01.400 You know, I'm required by law 52:01.400 --> 52:03.000 to send it into the federal government 52:03.000 --> 52:05.740 that has my personal information on it, 52:05.780 --> 52:06.900 my social security number, 52:07.000 --> 52:07.680 my salary, 52:07.820 --> 52:08.300 my tax, 52:08.480 --> 52:10.340 all the money I've given to charities, 52:10.460 --> 52:11.620 all my whatever. 52:12.500 --> 52:13.700 Are they telling me 52:13.700 --> 52:15.860 that they disclose that information 52:15.860 --> 52:17.480 or any of it 52:17.480 --> 52:18.580 into it 52:18.580 --> 52:19.660 and to TurboTax? 52:19.660 --> 52:21.940 That's just evil. 52:23.240 --> 52:23.480 I mean, 52:23.740 --> 52:25.780 I don't know. 52:26.260 --> 52:26.500 Do they, 52:26.640 --> 52:27.580 maybe they just report 52:27.580 --> 52:28.400 the number. 52:28.540 --> 52:29.480 Maybe they count and say, 52:29.580 --> 52:31.400 okay, we got this many million 52:31.400 --> 52:33.100 that were printed by you guys. 52:33.760 --> 52:35.140 But even if they told me that, 52:35.200 --> 52:36.580 I don't believe them for a second. 52:36.680 --> 52:37.860 I don't know what they send them. 52:37.940 --> 52:38.940 I'm wondering if they don't 52:39.660 --> 52:41.060 send them copies of the thing. 52:41.120 --> 52:42.600 They might have all that information. 52:42.800 --> 52:43.940 Maybe I'm going overboard 52:43.940 --> 52:45.400 with a conspiracy theory here, 52:45.400 --> 52:47.100 but I don't want them 52:47.100 --> 52:47.940 to have any of it. 52:48.040 --> 52:48.940 I didn't accept, 52:49.160 --> 52:50.760 I didn't agree to participate 52:50.760 --> 52:51.920 in any statistics. 52:52.120 --> 52:52.800 I didn't agree 52:52.800 --> 52:54.300 to let them know 52:54.300 --> 52:55.440 what program I use. 52:55.480 --> 52:56.480 I don't want them to know. 52:56.620 --> 52:57.620 I don't want them tracking me. 52:57.640 --> 52:59.180 That's way too big brother for me. 53:01.260 --> 53:02.340 That's just way, 53:02.580 --> 53:02.860 way, 53:03.000 --> 53:04.340 way out of line. 53:04.340 --> 53:04.700 So, 53:05.380 --> 53:05.680 you know, 53:05.840 --> 53:08.140 based on how the software performance 53:08.140 --> 53:09.140 worked this last time 53:09.140 --> 53:09.920 and how they're going to try 53:09.920 --> 53:11.160 to track my stuff down, 53:11.680 --> 53:12.280 I'm gone. 53:12.380 --> 53:13.100 I'm boycotting, 53:13.180 --> 53:13.800 at least myself. 53:14.020 --> 53:14.500 I'm personally, 53:14.560 --> 53:15.340 I'm off the TurboTax. 53:15.680 --> 53:16.860 I'll use TaxCut, 53:17.280 --> 53:17.940 Kiplingers, 53:18.080 --> 53:18.240 whatever, 53:18.340 --> 53:19.920 there's tons of others out there. 53:20.500 --> 53:20.580 I, 53:20.780 --> 53:20.960 no, 53:21.060 --> 53:21.840 I'm not going to support 53:21.840 --> 53:23.140 a company that's going to 53:23.140 --> 53:24.520 invade my privacy like that. 53:24.840 --> 53:25.920 Do I have an opt-out? 53:26.640 --> 53:27.380 Is there any way I can, 53:27.640 --> 53:27.980 can I, 53:28.200 --> 53:28.500 you know, 53:28.540 --> 53:29.920 not participate in that 53:29.920 --> 53:31.140 or do I even have a choice? 53:32.040 --> 53:32.940 For all I know, 53:33.140 --> 53:33.600 the IRS 53:33.600 --> 53:34.740 and some other 53:34.740 --> 53:35.900 cost-saving move, 53:35.980 --> 53:36.920 they're probably outsourcing 53:36.920 --> 53:37.700 the whole thing too 53:37.700 --> 53:38.200 into it. 53:39.140 --> 53:40.360 Intuit probably has a contract 53:40.360 --> 53:40.660 that says, 53:40.760 --> 53:41.040 oh yeah, 53:41.120 --> 53:41.260 yeah, 53:41.320 --> 53:43.080 we'll file all the taxes for you 53:43.080 --> 53:44.580 and they're the ones 53:44.580 --> 53:45.280 probably doing it 53:45.280 --> 53:46.020 and licking stamps 53:46.020 --> 53:47.100 and sending out checks 53:47.100 --> 53:48.100 at the same time 53:48.100 --> 53:49.180 tracking every little bit 53:49.180 --> 53:50.080 of information on you. 53:50.160 --> 53:50.260 You know, 53:50.300 --> 53:51.720 they have some big data mine, 53:52.060 --> 53:53.020 this big data warehouse, 53:53.120 --> 53:53.520 I should say, 53:53.560 --> 53:54.200 that they're mining. 53:55.700 --> 53:56.300 Who knows? 53:56.440 --> 53:56.740 I mean, 53:57.740 --> 53:59.480 I hope that doesn't happen, 53:59.620 --> 54:00.840 but I don't put anything 54:00.840 --> 54:02.140 past these people nowadays. 54:02.220 --> 54:02.900 I really don't. 54:02.900 --> 54:03.900 I mean, 54:03.980 --> 54:04.140 am I, 54:04.260 --> 54:04.480 am I, 54:04.560 --> 54:05.200 is this another one 54:05.200 --> 54:06.980 of my over-conspiracy, 54:07.120 --> 54:08.220 over-analyzing things? 54:08.780 --> 54:09.040 No, 54:09.120 --> 54:09.580 because I think 54:09.580 --> 54:10.460 that it's kind of unfair 54:10.460 --> 54:11.640 to have them know 54:11.640 --> 54:12.200 what the hell I'm doing 54:12.200 --> 54:14.840 with my personal tax return. 54:15.680 --> 54:16.120 I mean, 54:16.480 --> 54:16.660 hey, 54:16.720 --> 54:17.280 it's their business 54:17.280 --> 54:18.300 to keep their piracy 54:18.300 --> 54:18.780 under control, 54:18.780 --> 54:19.280 but it's not 54:19.280 --> 54:20.200 your business 54:20.200 --> 54:21.320 to invade my privacy 54:21.320 --> 54:23.560 going into my tax stuff. 54:24.040 --> 54:25.480 What if they don't have, 54:25.520 --> 54:26.520 let's say that I'm going overboard, 54:26.600 --> 54:27.360 let's say they don't have 54:27.360 --> 54:28.180 the tax information, 54:28.320 --> 54:29.220 all they do is get 54:29.220 --> 54:31.420 statistics on how many, 54:31.900 --> 54:33.860 let's say after tax day, 54:33.980 --> 54:35.000 a month after taxes 54:35.000 --> 54:35.360 are due, 54:35.420 --> 54:36.260 April 15th, 54:36.640 --> 54:37.760 they report to Intuit, 54:38.060 --> 54:38.320 okay, 54:38.440 --> 54:39.260 it's all done now, 54:39.260 --> 54:40.080 you guys, 54:40.400 --> 54:42.200 we had 40 million, 54:42.820 --> 54:43.380 I don't even know 54:43.380 --> 54:43.820 if that's a good, 54:43.880 --> 54:44.880 I don't know what the population 54:44.880 --> 54:45.660 of the United States is 54:45.660 --> 54:46.400 to be honest with you, 54:46.420 --> 54:47.200 I probably should be ashamed 54:47.200 --> 54:47.760 to admit that, 54:47.900 --> 54:49.220 but they say we got 54:49.220 --> 54:50.260 40 million forms 54:50.820 --> 54:52.320 from TurboTax. 54:52.320 --> 54:53.400 Maybe that's all 54:53.400 --> 54:54.220 the information they give. 54:54.480 --> 54:56.160 Is even that good? 54:56.260 --> 54:57.080 Is even that right? 54:58.080 --> 54:58.920 Does that bother you 54:58.920 --> 54:59.520 if they did that? 55:04.120 --> 55:05.760 Would it bother you? 55:06.000 --> 55:06.700 Is this thing on? 55:07.200 --> 55:07.460 Yes. 55:07.820 --> 55:08.880 Does it bother you 55:08.880 --> 55:09.900 if they just report, 55:11.280 --> 55:11.620 like, 55:11.960 --> 55:12.460 what is it, 55:12.500 --> 55:15.940 is it Microsoft Media Player 55:15.940 --> 55:16.700 and Winamp, 55:16.780 --> 55:17.140 for example, 55:17.180 --> 55:18.340 they have those little options 55:18.340 --> 55:19.080 that says, 55:19.420 --> 55:20.840 do you mind if we record 55:20.840 --> 55:21.620 your statistics 55:21.620 --> 55:22.620 for analyzing, 55:23.020 --> 55:23.360 you know, 55:23.460 --> 55:25.080 that little dialogue box? 55:25.700 --> 55:26.120 They should put, 55:26.220 --> 55:26.420 you know, 55:26.480 --> 55:26.860 a way to, 55:27.260 --> 55:27.460 like, 55:27.700 --> 55:28.720 spam should have, 55:28.760 --> 55:29.800 but we'll never have, 55:29.960 --> 55:30.800 a way to opt out. 55:31.000 --> 55:31.320 Right. 55:31.580 --> 55:32.880 You know what they should do 55:32.880 --> 55:33.880 on the next tax return? 55:33.940 --> 55:34.440 If there's anybody 55:34.440 --> 55:35.100 from the IRS, 55:35.300 --> 55:36.220 from the government listening? 55:36.500 --> 55:37.000 Oh, there is. 55:37.100 --> 55:37.440 Don't worry. 55:37.500 --> 55:37.720 Yeah. 55:38.880 --> 55:40.940 And even if they did decide 55:40.940 --> 55:42.000 to listen to my suggestion, 55:42.120 --> 55:42.680 it would take them, 55:42.760 --> 55:43.020 like, 55:43.140 --> 55:43.540 12, 55:43.800 --> 55:44.520 15 years 55:44.520 --> 55:45.800 because they're so damn slow 55:45.800 --> 55:47.220 to actually make a change. 55:47.620 --> 55:48.680 But if somebody's listening, 55:49.240 --> 55:50.400 I'm going to make a request. 55:50.400 --> 55:51.580 Right down there 55:51.580 --> 55:52.500 where you beg me, 55:53.020 --> 55:53.980 and this is something else 55:53.980 --> 55:54.580 that's kind of funny, 55:54.840 --> 55:56.600 they beg me for donations 55:56.600 --> 55:58.380 to the presidential election fund 55:58.380 --> 55:59.160 or some shit like that. 55:59.540 --> 56:00.860 I remember they used to just say, 56:01.000 --> 56:01.680 check here if you want 56:01.680 --> 56:02.380 to donate a dollar. 56:02.520 --> 56:03.760 Now it's like $3, 56:04.180 --> 56:04.500 $5. 56:05.500 --> 56:05.780 I mean, 56:05.920 --> 56:06.300 jeez, 56:06.380 --> 56:06.520 man, 56:06.560 --> 56:07.260 times are tight 56:07.260 --> 56:07.900 and you guys are asking 56:07.900 --> 56:08.880 for even more money? 56:09.240 --> 56:09.940 Hell no. 56:10.700 --> 56:11.100 Anyway, 56:11.540 --> 56:12.780 put another checkbox 56:12.780 --> 56:13.220 that says, 56:13.760 --> 56:14.580 do you want us 56:14.580 --> 56:15.820 or can we disclose 56:15.820 --> 56:16.700 your information 56:16.700 --> 56:17.860 so that I have a way 56:17.860 --> 56:18.500 to opt out 56:18.500 --> 56:18.840 and say, 56:19.200 --> 56:20.260 hell no. 56:20.480 --> 56:21.240 I don't want to share 56:21.240 --> 56:21.900 that information. 56:22.060 --> 56:22.620 Don't track me. 56:22.620 --> 56:23.280 They all do as well. 56:23.720 --> 56:23.920 Yeah, 56:24.020 --> 56:24.500 it should be, 56:24.500 --> 56:25.000 it should be, 56:25.540 --> 56:25.920 yes, 56:25.980 --> 56:26.900 it should be like our polls. 56:27.020 --> 56:27.820 We never do a clear 56:27.820 --> 56:28.480 yes or no. 56:28.540 --> 56:29.240 We always have some 56:29.240 --> 56:30.100 little smart ass comment. 56:30.180 --> 56:30.820 It should be yes 56:30.820 --> 56:32.220 or hell no. 56:34.220 --> 56:34.580 Oh. 56:35.260 --> 56:35.620 Alright, 56:35.740 --> 56:36.600 I'm going to end on that. 56:36.860 --> 56:37.860 I didn't rant too bad 56:37.860 --> 56:38.200 on that one. 56:38.280 --> 56:39.400 I reined myself in. 56:39.460 --> 56:39.760 But that, 56:39.820 --> 56:40.260 that really, 56:40.360 --> 56:40.740 I don't know, 56:40.800 --> 56:42.200 maybe it's me overreacting again, 56:42.280 --> 56:43.140 but that bothers me 56:43.140 --> 56:43.580 that they, 56:43.920 --> 56:45.500 they didn't tell me. 56:45.820 --> 56:46.180 I just don't, 56:46.280 --> 56:46.580 I like, 56:46.640 --> 56:47.540 I don't like when they 56:47.540 --> 56:48.260 try to hide it 56:48.260 --> 56:49.380 because when you try 56:49.380 --> 56:50.000 to hide something 56:50.000 --> 56:51.020 it makes me think, 56:51.600 --> 56:52.760 why did you try 56:52.760 --> 56:53.240 to hide it? 56:53.280 --> 56:53.880 If it's that, 56:54.460 --> 56:55.180 if it's minor 56:55.180 --> 56:56.020 and it's insignificant, 56:56.300 --> 56:56.840 just come out 56:56.840 --> 56:57.260 and tell me. 56:57.300 --> 56:57.420 Yeah, 56:57.460 --> 56:57.900 oh by the way, 56:57.940 --> 56:58.720 we're going to track you 56:58.720 --> 56:59.360 when you do this. 56:59.760 --> 57:00.500 Maybe it was in that 57:00.500 --> 57:02.380 400 page licensing agreement 57:02.380 --> 57:03.320 that you click through 57:03.320 --> 57:03.620 to say, 57:03.720 --> 57:03.840 yeah, 57:03.900 --> 57:04.000 yeah, 57:04.040 --> 57:04.520 I agree, 57:04.660 --> 57:04.780 sure, 57:04.860 --> 57:05.000 whatever. 57:05.120 --> 57:05.880 Maybe it was in there. 57:06.560 --> 57:07.700 Whoever reads that crap. 57:07.780 --> 57:08.300 We should, 57:08.860 --> 57:09.460 for all the crap 57:09.460 --> 57:10.060 they're putting in it 57:10.060 --> 57:10.940 and I think we might talk 57:10.940 --> 57:11.280 about that 57:12.200 --> 57:13.600 but yeah, 57:13.620 --> 57:14.420 that just bothers me 57:14.420 --> 57:15.480 because if they're 57:15.480 --> 57:16.100 going to hide it, 57:16.400 --> 57:16.920 they're hiding it 57:16.920 --> 57:17.440 for a reason 57:17.440 --> 57:18.040 and I want to know 57:18.040 --> 57:18.900 what that reason is. 57:20.580 --> 57:20.940 Well, 57:21.060 --> 57:21.700 I think we are 57:21.700 --> 57:22.440 at the end 57:22.440 --> 57:23.460 of another episode, 57:23.620 --> 57:23.820 mute. 57:25.000 --> 57:25.240 Hey, 57:25.340 --> 57:26.560 where did it go? 57:26.700 --> 57:27.140 I think we got 57:27.140 --> 57:27.620 a con line 57:27.620 --> 57:29.240 to be a part of. 57:29.560 --> 57:30.660 Con line time? 57:31.000 --> 57:31.300 Yep. 57:33.280 --> 57:33.640 Boy, 57:34.240 --> 57:34.980 and oh, 57:35.180 --> 57:36.420 let's shout out again 57:36.420 --> 57:37.120 anybody listening 57:37.120 --> 57:38.300 in the IRC channel. 57:39.040 --> 57:39.440 Gluco, 57:39.560 --> 57:40.320 thanks a lot for, 57:40.440 --> 57:41.500 he's been emailing me, 57:41.500 --> 57:42.260 keeping me in touch 57:42.260 --> 57:42.860 and answering me 57:42.860 --> 57:43.320 some questions 57:43.320 --> 57:45.240 and those guys 57:45.240 --> 57:46.240 are taking care of that. 57:46.440 --> 57:47.080 I think they were 57:47.080 --> 57:47.820 talking about 57:47.820 --> 57:48.560 putting up a bot 57:48.560 --> 57:49.080 in the channel 57:49.080 --> 57:49.920 so it stays open 57:49.920 --> 57:50.540 all the time 57:50.540 --> 57:51.580 so hopefully 57:51.580 --> 57:52.220 we can keep 57:52.220 --> 57:53.100 some fun 57:53.100 --> 57:54.260 and mature conversation 57:54.260 --> 57:54.700 in there 57:54.700 --> 57:55.500 or even some fun 57:55.500 --> 57:56.480 immature conversation 57:56.480 --> 57:56.960 as long as 57:56.960 --> 57:57.660 it's not too 57:57.660 --> 57:58.880 off the wall. 57:59.680 --> 58:00.080 Again, 58:00.440 --> 58:01.280 email letters 58:01.280 --> 58:02.740 at binrev.com 58:02.740 --> 58:03.080 which, 58:03.600 --> 58:04.520 on that same note, 58:04.720 --> 58:05.460 by the time 58:05.460 --> 58:06.140 this episode, 58:06.240 --> 58:06.620 by the time 58:06.620 --> 58:06.960 you're listening 58:06.960 --> 58:07.460 to this, 58:07.840 --> 58:08.500 you will notice 58:08.500 --> 58:09.760 that binrev.com 58:09.760 --> 58:11.120 we finally redesigned 58:11.120 --> 58:12.020 and rewrote 58:12.020 --> 58:13.320 the entire website 58:13.320 --> 58:15.180 so everything's got 58:15.180 --> 58:16.380 a much more fluid 58:16.380 --> 58:17.720 and flows a lot better, 58:17.820 --> 58:18.900 it's a lot more easy, 58:19.400 --> 58:19.920 a lot more easy, 58:20.000 --> 58:20.140 boy, 58:20.220 --> 58:21.680 my English is real bad today, 58:21.780 --> 58:23.060 I'm mispronouncing words 58:23.060 --> 58:24.920 and using poor grammar, 58:25.340 --> 58:26.320 it's a lot easier 58:26.320 --> 58:27.180 to navigate 58:27.180 --> 58:28.240 is what I was trying 58:28.240 --> 58:28.620 to say. 58:29.620 --> 58:30.360 I guess we're even 58:30.360 --> 58:30.880 for you saying 58:30.880 --> 58:31.860 stupider last time, 58:31.940 --> 58:32.060 huh? 58:32.580 --> 58:32.860 Yep. 58:33.180 --> 58:33.460 Alright, 58:33.980 --> 58:34.660 so by the time 58:34.660 --> 58:35.600 we air, 58:35.680 --> 58:36.120 you'll be able 58:36.120 --> 58:37.480 to check out 58:37.480 --> 58:38.000 the new site, 58:38.140 --> 58:39.280 download past episodes, 58:39.580 --> 58:40.400 the first episode 58:40.400 --> 58:41.080 I did finally 58:41.080 --> 58:41.800 get that put up 58:41.800 --> 58:42.840 and I didn't want 58:42.840 --> 58:43.380 to fool around 58:43.380 --> 58:43.860 with the pilot, 58:43.980 --> 58:44.460 I just went ahead 58:44.460 --> 58:44.960 and put that up 58:44.960 --> 58:45.880 to download also. 58:46.500 --> 58:47.460 I also got a couple 58:47.460 --> 58:49.040 requests through IRC 58:49.040 --> 58:50.520 and through the forums 58:50.520 --> 58:51.440 and email about 58:51.440 --> 58:52.480 the theme song, 58:52.560 --> 58:53.200 I knew everybody 58:53.200 --> 58:54.000 would like that a lot 58:54.000 --> 58:54.740 so again, 58:54.860 --> 58:55.620 that is Zerl 58:55.620 --> 58:57.520 on our opening theme song 58:57.520 --> 58:58.560 and I went ahead 58:58.560 --> 58:59.500 and put the high 58:59.500 --> 59:00.880 quality version of that 59:00.880 --> 59:01.500 up for download 59:01.500 --> 59:02.060 as well, 59:02.160 --> 59:02.720 which he had given 59:02.720 --> 59:03.160 us permission 59:03.160 --> 59:03.920 once again to do 59:03.920 --> 59:05.560 so enjoy that 59:05.560 --> 59:07.260 and Mute, 59:07.300 --> 59:07.720 did you have any 59:07.720 --> 59:08.580 shouts or anything? 59:08.840 --> 59:09.700 Did we touch on 59:09.700 --> 59:10.300 everything you wanted 59:10.300 --> 59:11.120 to touch on today? 59:11.480 --> 59:12.240 It was a good show 59:12.240 --> 59:13.320 and I think we got 59:13.320 --> 59:13.980 everything they needed 59:13.980 --> 59:14.300 to cover. 59:14.420 --> 59:14.580 Yeah, 59:14.660 --> 59:15.900 it was a fun show 59:15.900 --> 59:17.560 and hopefully, 59:17.800 --> 59:18.100 again, 59:18.240 --> 59:19.780 I hope the person 59:19.780 --> 59:20.340 who was a little bit 59:20.340 --> 59:20.960 disappointed with our 59:20.960 --> 59:21.300 first show, 59:21.400 --> 59:24.380 I hope he found 59:24.380 --> 59:25.000 this one a little bit 59:25.000 --> 59:25.300 better. 59:25.500 --> 59:25.860 Again, 59:26.200 --> 59:26.680 I'm sorry, 59:26.760 --> 59:27.680 it's just the way I am. 59:27.720 --> 59:28.480 I'm going to rant 59:28.480 --> 59:28.940 sometimes, 59:29.060 --> 59:29.940 I'm going to complain, 59:30.120 --> 59:31.460 I'm going to have 59:31.460 --> 59:32.180 my little conspiracy 59:32.180 --> 59:33.300 theories but I 59:33.300 --> 59:34.460 will try to not 59:34.460 --> 59:35.300 make a whole episode 59:35.300 --> 59:36.120 on it and move on 59:36.120 --> 59:36.980 from topic to topic 59:36.980 --> 59:38.360 so probably started 59:38.360 --> 59:39.260 off this episode 59:39.260 --> 59:40.080 talking about it 59:40.080 --> 59:40.760 more than he would 59:40.760 --> 59:41.760 like but hopefully 59:41.760 --> 59:42.500 he stuck around 59:42.500 --> 59:42.980 and hopefully he'll 59:42.980 --> 59:43.440 stick around in the 59:43.440 --> 59:43.720 future. 59:44.260 --> 59:44.560 Again, 59:44.720 --> 59:45.800 anybody has anything, 59:46.120 --> 59:46.980 email it to us 59:46.980 --> 59:48.560 and I guess we'll 59:48.560 --> 59:49.480 see you guys again 59:49.480 --> 59:50.020 next week, 59:50.140 --> 59:50.820 Sam Hack Time. 59:51.120 --> 59:51.920 Sam Hack Channel. 59:52.280 --> 59:53.020 Peace out. 59:53.020 --> 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