WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:21.520 Welcome to the next generation of Hacking Information Exchange with StankDawg and Wintermute. 00:30.000 --> 00:37.760 I see in binary, I speak source code. Step on my toes, I'll post a million JPEGs of you in a fag pose. 00:38.000 --> 00:42.900 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho, cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold. 00:43.180 --> 00:47.700 I was a dick with my 56, now with my cable I'm able to get that stable. 00:48.000 --> 00:53.700 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:53.700 --> 00:59.600 In a flash, I'll sue you on burning dreamcats. You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:59.960 --> 01:04.780 Our exchange, you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 01:05.100 --> 01:08.800 I bootlegged your CD. I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 01:09.140 --> 01:13.420 Your CG, it's all gonna be free, whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 01:13.780 --> 01:17.540 You feel that rattle in your bones when I tell you we just hacked out Jones? 01:17.540 --> 01:21.980 And NASDAQ, leave you flat on your back, cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:22.400 --> 01:24.760 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:25.220 --> 01:28.040 This is dedicated to the hackers and the creepers. 01:28.040 --> 01:33.080 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RAMs, SIFs, SISs. 01:33.080 --> 01:35.500 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack. 01:35.500 --> 01:42.500 All right, Vahogwa Gods, and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio Episode 3. 01:42.700 --> 01:46.880 I am StankDawg, and I am joined, as always, by Wintermute. 01:47.360 --> 01:48.120 The one and only. 01:48.120 --> 01:52.580 And we are going to open up the show today. 01:52.700 --> 01:56.640 I'm going to open up today with an apology to our listeners. 01:58.140 --> 02:07.340 It seems that I'm kind of dumb, and I recorded, I should say I converted, actually, the previous 02:07.340 --> 02:12.600 episodes of the show with the incorrect settings when I extracted them to MP3. 02:12.600 --> 02:20.540 So, I sent out low bitrate versions that were downloadable of previous shows that were a little 02:20.540 --> 02:23.700 fuzzy sounding, and some people did catch that and mention it to me. 02:24.020 --> 02:26.180 And I figured out why and made the correction. 02:26.340 --> 02:30.480 So, what I have done is uploaded new versions of the file. 02:30.480 --> 02:34.900 Of the files, I should say, Episode 1, 2, and the pilot. 02:35.800 --> 02:38.080 Also, I made the same mistake with RFA-72. 02:38.940 --> 02:42.720 So, all three of those, I have now uploaded newer versions of them. 02:43.100 --> 02:48.260 The old ones were, the naming convention had underscore LO at the end of them. 02:48.340 --> 02:51.300 Binrev 1 underscore LO for the low bitrate version. 02:51.780 --> 02:54.480 Well, there's no point in having the LO on there anyway. 02:54.640 --> 02:56.860 So, what I did is I just started it all over again. 02:56.860 --> 03:00.000 Now, it's Binrev 1, Binrev 2, et cetera, et cetera. 03:00.100 --> 03:01.260 We'll just start counting upwards. 03:01.920 --> 03:04.540 So, delete your old versions. 03:04.680 --> 03:05.480 Grab the new ones. 03:05.540 --> 03:07.400 There's no difference except that they're clearer. 03:07.800 --> 03:09.760 And we'll start with this naming convention. 03:10.520 --> 03:13.200 And, again, RFA had the same problems. 03:13.280 --> 03:17.820 You can download that also from my site, the new version, or go on over to OldSkoolphreak.com 03:17.820 --> 03:19.980 and get the new version from them. 03:20.580 --> 03:22.500 And start your archives over. 03:22.680 --> 03:25.940 If you're making archives or saving them, don't have that old ugly bitrate. 03:26.660 --> 03:27.920 That'll come back to haunt me. 03:28.200 --> 03:30.020 It might not be able to hear it in the future. 03:30.120 --> 03:30.460 Who knows? 03:30.540 --> 03:31.080 It might not be. 03:31.280 --> 03:33.580 They might have some kind of degrading quality. 03:34.540 --> 03:35.400 It's a collectible. 03:35.880 --> 03:36.200 Yeah. 03:36.800 --> 03:38.000 Well, don't tell them that. 03:38.040 --> 03:39.400 Now, they're never going to delete them. 03:39.440 --> 03:40.240 They're going to keep them. 03:40.680 --> 03:45.840 They're going to use them to humiliate me in my old age. 03:45.840 --> 03:46.600 Oh, wait a minute. 03:46.740 --> 03:47.400 I'm already old. 03:47.480 --> 03:47.980 What am I thinking? 03:49.080 --> 03:50.700 So, anyway, again, I apologize. 03:50.920 --> 03:52.160 That was completely my fault. 03:52.160 --> 03:56.120 Now, the stream that we sent out was good, high quality. 03:56.220 --> 03:57.660 There was no problems with the stream. 03:58.020 --> 04:00.320 I only did this in the downloadable version. 04:00.440 --> 04:01.380 So, that is a good thing. 04:01.560 --> 04:04.220 The stream should be good, solid quality. 04:04.380 --> 04:05.440 So, that's not a concern. 04:05.440 --> 04:15.600 Now, we also, as a result of episode two and episode one, I hope, we got a lot more feedback 04:15.600 --> 04:17.360 this episode, which is good. 04:17.480 --> 04:17.760 Yay! 04:18.300 --> 04:19.240 I got mail! 04:19.240 --> 04:23.780 We had several people from the last episode, if you were to mention one of our bigger topics 04:23.780 --> 04:28.060 and the topic we started with was the word hacker and what it means and what it should 04:28.060 --> 04:29.600 mean and yada, yada, yada. 04:30.360 --> 04:35.740 Well, it would seem that a lot of people agreed that, yes, the word hacker should be defended 04:35.740 --> 04:39.240 and that they agreed that we shouldn't roll over so easily. 04:39.360 --> 04:42.860 However, I think we've beaten that horse to death, haven't we? 04:43.460 --> 04:43.880 Mm-hmm. 04:43.880 --> 04:48.380 So, I am not going to spend any more time on that topic today. 04:49.760 --> 04:53.200 I'm going to pause and give people a chance to applaud and say, thank God. 04:54.100 --> 04:56.120 So, we're going to move on to some new topics. 04:56.360 --> 04:59.120 And actually, let's go through a few emails that we got. 04:59.240 --> 05:02.380 There are some things I wanted to bring up in addition to that topic. 05:03.340 --> 05:09.200 One email I got was from Fanatic, and he mentions that he thinks it would be a good 05:09.200 --> 05:11.460 idea to have a third person on the show. 05:11.460 --> 05:14.200 So, I absolutely agree. 05:14.340 --> 05:16.180 I love having another person on the show. 05:16.280 --> 05:17.320 That's what we do with RFA. 05:18.020 --> 05:20.740 However, we can't exactly do that. 05:20.940 --> 05:22.540 Why can't we do that again, Mute? 05:22.800 --> 05:24.940 I think your phone can't handle that kind of stuff. 05:25.080 --> 05:28.380 Yeah, I was setting you up to call me a cheap ass. 05:28.740 --> 05:33.220 But, yeah, I don't have, you know, if you've been listening to RFA for a while, you'll know 05:33.220 --> 05:34.580 my hatred for the phone company. 05:34.580 --> 05:38.560 And I refuse to give them any more money than I absolutely have to. 05:39.180 --> 05:42.440 So, I try to avoid adding services. 05:42.680 --> 05:44.980 I have a watered down phone with no extra features. 05:45.160 --> 05:46.660 I use my cell phone for everything. 05:46.780 --> 05:47.340 I can help. 05:48.220 --> 05:51.580 And, frankly, I'd get rid of the home phone if it weren't for the DSL. 05:51.660 --> 05:52.920 But that's another story altogether. 05:53.120 --> 05:58.480 So, because I'm a cheap ass, I basically can't do, we'd like to also do some phone calls on 05:58.480 --> 06:00.000 occasion like we do with RFA. 06:00.000 --> 06:04.360 But, see, that's what RFA is good, you know, they're, they're, Duel especially is much 06:04.360 --> 06:05.400 more of a freak than I am. 06:05.460 --> 06:08.000 Well, I'm not a freak at all, to be frank, to be honest. 06:08.080 --> 06:10.000 What I know about freaking, I learned from Duel and Mute. 06:10.160 --> 06:15.940 So, but we would still like to do an occasional phone call, maybe have a third guest on, special 06:15.940 --> 06:18.000 guest rotating, stuff like that. 06:18.100 --> 06:24.620 So, man, I might have to just break down and feed these bastards more of my hard-earned 06:24.620 --> 06:24.920 money. 06:25.880 --> 06:28.560 So, yeah, hopefully in the future we can make that change. 06:28.640 --> 06:29.260 I do want it. 06:29.320 --> 06:29.820 I do like it. 06:29.840 --> 06:30.520 I do agree with you. 06:30.620 --> 06:32.480 I appreciate the suggestion. 06:32.740 --> 06:36.520 And, yeah, I mean, you know, the more voices, the more opinions and views we get, the better. 06:37.740 --> 06:42.860 Another suggestion that he also made was, and several people made this, a lot of people 06:42.860 --> 06:47.860 asked, have requested this in the forums and via email and et cetera, and that is subscriptions 06:47.860 --> 06:50.380 to Binary Revolution magazine. 06:50.380 --> 06:55.100 Um, I, it's very flattering. 06:55.240 --> 06:58.560 I'm very happy that people like the magazine and want subscriptions already. 06:58.660 --> 07:01.740 We've released, you know, one issue, the second one very soon. 07:01.880 --> 07:02.980 Knock, knock on wood. 07:03.020 --> 07:03.880 Is that coming through the microphone? 07:04.500 --> 07:09.360 Um, but we are still very small time, you know. 07:09.440 --> 07:12.160 We are not a big magazine producer. 07:12.340 --> 07:16.120 We are doing this literally, well, I guess I can't say out of my basement because I don't 07:16.120 --> 07:16.800 have a basement. 07:16.800 --> 07:22.300 It's Florida, I'd be underwater if I did have a basement, but, um, I am doing this basically 07:22.300 --> 07:28.620 out of my room, out of my house, and, you know, I drive down and mail these a couple 07:28.620 --> 07:34.460 times a week when people place orders, so doing a subscription is just, just way, way 07:34.460 --> 07:35.840 too much work for us right now. 07:35.900 --> 07:36.940 I mean, I would love to. 07:37.480 --> 07:41.780 I, you know, I have a subscription to 2600 myself, and I, it makes it a whole lot easier. 07:41.860 --> 07:45.840 I don't have to write checks or do PayPal or send money, and I know it's a bit of a 07:45.840 --> 07:49.960 hassle, but if you guys can just bear with us, you guys and gals, bear with us for a 07:49.960 --> 07:55.580 little while, and, um, we do want to get this, you know, going properly and offer subscriptions 07:55.580 --> 07:58.600 and all kinds of stuff like that when the time is right. 07:58.700 --> 08:00.580 Unfortunately, that is not now. 08:00.700 --> 08:06.140 I really, really wish it would, but what we need to do is, I have spoken to some distributors, 08:06.340 --> 08:12.120 and the bottom line is we need to be able to prove to a distributor that this magazine 08:12.120 --> 08:14.720 will work, that there are people who want it. 08:14.780 --> 08:17.700 They need to see that there's an audience for this material. 08:18.020 --> 08:23.620 Even 2600, as a lot of people, a lot of listeners know, is difficult to find in some areas, you 08:23.620 --> 08:23.740 know? 08:23.800 --> 08:26.860 It's only carried by some, some of the bigger chain bookstores. 08:27.080 --> 08:28.440 Sometimes they keep it behind the counter. 08:28.600 --> 08:31.700 I mean, there's, there's just all kinds of problems, and there, you know, they... 08:31.700 --> 08:31.800 In the counter? 08:32.460 --> 08:32.720 Huh? 08:32.940 --> 08:34.140 I've never seen it behind the counter. 08:34.200 --> 08:38.280 Yeah, there's been, people write letters into 2600 all the time about how they went to, 08:38.280 --> 08:42.140 and couldn't find it on the shelf, and they went up to the counter, or the cash register, 08:42.240 --> 08:45.540 and asked for it, and they were told, oh yeah, here it is, it's back here. 08:45.620 --> 08:48.960 And they, you know, it's like back there with the Playboys, and the Wet Hooters, and the 08:48.960 --> 08:49.340 Biggins. 08:50.080 --> 08:50.760 What the hell? 08:50.940 --> 08:55.240 I, you know, that's, that's just the kind of thing people, you know, again, I'm not going 08:55.240 --> 08:57.160 to go into it, but, you know, the hacker mentality. 08:57.280 --> 09:00.900 People think that that's what hacking is, a kind of behind the shelf, under the cabinet 09:00.900 --> 09:02.680 kind of thing, so... 09:02.680 --> 09:03.540 I don't know anymore. 09:03.660 --> 09:04.240 All right, continue. 09:04.420 --> 09:07.000 Yeah, I know, it's, it's, you know, what are you going to do? 09:07.000 --> 09:10.740 So, so anyway, long story short, yes, we do want to do that. 09:11.200 --> 09:15.260 The other thing right now is, I, I'm still handwriting names and addresses, I'm mailing 09:15.260 --> 09:15.580 these out. 09:15.620 --> 09:16.400 I don't keep a database. 09:17.020 --> 09:17.920 I don't know who ordered. 09:18.020 --> 09:21.240 I can't, you know, go back and pull your address from your last order right now. 09:21.540 --> 09:24.620 It's a privacy issue, and it's something, you know, I don't really don't want to do, 09:25.020 --> 09:27.000 and I think a lot of people don't want me to do it either. 09:27.160 --> 09:31.300 So, when the time comes for subscriptions, I know a lot of people don't mind having their 09:31.300 --> 09:33.880 name on the subscription list, such as myself. 09:33.960 --> 09:34.680 I really don't care. 09:34.680 --> 09:39.160 Um, but that's something else, you know, just, just not set up to do right now. 09:39.280 --> 09:44.200 So, um, I appreciate the offer, and a lot, I mean, several, really several people, dozens 09:44.200 --> 09:47.080 of people have asked that, and we just can't do it yet. 09:47.160 --> 09:52.700 When we do, we will definitely post it up on the website, and, um, we will post it in the 09:52.700 --> 09:55.580 forums and shout it to the rooftops and all that kind of good stuff. 09:55.580 --> 10:01.380 So, um, another email I got, this one's actually kind of scary, we've talked about this on RFA 10:01.380 --> 10:11.260 before, um, this one came from Jaja, Jaga, and he mentioned to us that the RFA Mirror, the 10:11.260 --> 10:15.820 mirror of Radio Freak America that he maintains, has been getting some interesting hits from 10:15.820 --> 10:17.360 Washington, D.C. 10:18.360 --> 10:21.300 So, the government, Big Brother, is watching. 10:22.180 --> 10:26.780 Um, it's kind of curious, I guess you'd say, that they, they hit the page, they went to 10:26.780 --> 10:31.240 the archive page, but he didn't see that they actually downloaded an episode of the show. 10:32.180 --> 10:35.860 Maybe they should, maybe they'd actually learn, well, I know they'd probably learn a lot from 10:35.860 --> 10:40.220 it, but, um, yeah, that was kind of, we've seen that before, we've talked about that before. 10:40.220 --> 10:44.560 You do, you, I know you don't really check your logs as much as I do, or nobody checks 10:44.560 --> 10:49.720 their logs as much as Nick84 does, but, um, you, I think, he has programs to check his 10:49.720 --> 10:52.300 logs for him, display them in color coding. 10:52.660 --> 10:56.460 And draws pie charts and graphs and color codes, everything. 10:57.120 --> 10:59.860 He's a log dog, man, I'm telling you, he always has been. 11:00.560 --> 11:04.880 And you know what, I gotta admit, he's gotten me turned on to it, too, there's a lot of information 11:04.880 --> 11:05.360 in there. 11:06.680 --> 11:09.580 You know what, I didn't, I didn't actually have this in the notes, I wasn't gonna talk about 11:09.580 --> 11:14.860 this, but I've noticed a new type of, I don't know if I'd call it spam, but it's definitely 11:14.860 --> 11:16.460 subvert advertising. 11:17.040 --> 11:23.860 I find hits in my log from some site that I've never heard of, um, I think one I saw 11:23.860 --> 11:28.240 was, well, I don't wanna, I don't wanna give the name or the URL just in case, but it was 11:28.240 --> 11:30.260 basically a web hosting company. 11:31.300 --> 11:36.060 And it was in my logs, and I thought to myself, why would there be a link from this unless, 11:36.060 --> 11:41.120 you know, maybe the, the admin from the site surfed from the box or something, but I've 11:41.120 --> 11:42.640 noticed it from several different sites. 11:42.960 --> 11:45.800 This is a new way that they're doing some subversive advertising. 11:46.080 --> 11:51.300 They know that if they put an interesting or unique, or unique hit in your logs, that 11:51.300 --> 11:52.400 you're gonna go check it out. 11:53.000 --> 11:55.640 So it's actually probably a really high click rate. 11:55.640 --> 12:00.240 When I see an unusual URL in my log, I will click through it, or I will cut and paste 12:00.240 --> 12:02.980 it, go to that site and see what they're about, and see why they're visiting me. 12:03.040 --> 12:03.640 I wanna know. 12:04.540 --> 12:09.400 And a lot of times, it turns out to be nothing more than, you know, a hosting company, obviously 12:09.400 --> 12:11.500 wanting me to switch or wanting me to come over, so. 12:11.800 --> 12:17.880 Well, what I see sometimes is, uh, um, it was a weird one when I was running Nick's, uh, script 12:17.880 --> 12:23.580 from the first Binary Revolution magazine, his logging script will check out interesting 12:23.580 --> 12:26.720 logs, you know, display the government and the mill hits. 12:27.240 --> 12:27.600 Right. 12:27.680 --> 12:32.320 I found that one of the mill sites, it was, I forgot where it was coming from, my, if 12:32.320 --> 12:36.240 everyone's ever been to wintermute.net, you'll know that there's two frames, and there's 12:36.240 --> 12:39.020 the left frame of the control bar and the right frame, which is the display. 12:39.200 --> 12:40.920 No one's ever been to wintermute.net. 12:41.080 --> 12:42.280 Yeah, I know, they just don't care. 12:42.340 --> 12:44.960 Hey, we just surpassed 2,600 hits. 12:44.960 --> 12:47.780 Hey, you gotta, it's wintermute.net, ones and threes. 12:48.040 --> 12:48.740 Ones and threes, baby. 12:48.880 --> 12:49.560 Ones and threes. 12:49.880 --> 12:52.080 Fleet speak, from Snakes' article. 12:52.200 --> 12:58.880 Anyways, um, any, the, the right frame, one person, came to sleep only once that week 12:58.880 --> 13:01.260 and only loaded my right frame. 13:02.560 --> 13:06.620 Because normally when you go to wintermute.net, it automatically puts you in two, to two frames. 13:07.360 --> 13:10.060 It only loaded the right frame, which I thought was kind of scary. 13:10.380 --> 13:11.500 That might have been me. 13:12.180 --> 13:13.440 It wasn't, it was coming from a mill. 13:13.440 --> 13:16.280 Oh, it did, oh, from a mill, yeah, that's, hmm. 13:18.060 --> 13:19.560 So, I'm, I'm, I don't know anymore. 13:19.640 --> 13:23.900 Was it, was it by chance, was it the, uh, Best Buy article, was it the frame of? 13:24.120 --> 13:25.500 No, it was, it was the front frame. 13:25.640 --> 13:28.340 It was, like, like, like, like, like, quasi-blog. 13:28.620 --> 13:28.980 Right. 13:30.000 --> 13:30.280 Hmm. 13:30.520 --> 13:32.600 Hey, I don't know anymore, I mean, kind of weird. 13:32.600 --> 13:37.500 Yeah, I saw, you know, like Jaga said, that, um, the hits came, but they didn't download 13:37.500 --> 13:39.700 the MP3s, the episodes of the show. 13:40.080 --> 13:44.060 I noticed that some of the hits that I got were very precise. 13:44.440 --> 13:46.040 Um, they didn't even visit my site. 13:46.300 --> 13:49.460 You know, I got a couple of hits that went straight to an article. 13:50.300 --> 13:54.720 You know, they didn't go to the articles.html page and then click on the article that looked 13:54.720 --> 14:00.180 interesting, they knew what they were going for and, um, a couple of them were, a couple 14:00.180 --> 14:01.660 of them, and these weren't all at one time. 14:01.720 --> 14:05.900 It's been, you know, every, every other month or two, I guess I'll see a direct hit like that. 14:05.940 --> 14:08.740 There's, I, I, I have, they're in my top ten. 14:08.820 --> 14:13.080 They're in the top, they're somewhere around, say, eight to fifteen every month. 14:13.940 --> 14:15.220 .mil and .gov sites. 14:15.480 --> 14:19.200 So, I get a lot of hits from them, but every once in a while, it's just a weird oddball 14:19.200 --> 14:21.940 when there'll be a precise blam straight to this. 14:22.000 --> 14:24.200 I don't know if they're emailing the direct link to each other. 14:24.720 --> 14:26.160 I don't, I really don't know. 14:26.420 --> 14:27.880 I really, frankly, I really don't care. 14:27.980 --> 14:28.420 Let them read. 14:28.480 --> 14:29.100 They need to learn. 14:29.200 --> 14:30.680 They need all the help they can get, frankly. 14:31.680 --> 14:35.000 So, if they're listening and downloading this, have at it, guys. 14:35.040 --> 14:35.800 Help yourselves. 14:36.720 --> 14:38.680 Um, but yeah. 14:38.760 --> 14:39.440 Oh, and you know what? 14:39.480 --> 14:44.300 Since you brought it up, too, um, we are, we're going to have a retractions or an apology 14:44.300 --> 14:47.860 section in the, uh, in the magazine from now on for any mistakes. 14:47.860 --> 14:53.220 And, um, I think I, I'm, I'm sure I, I mentioned this before in the forums that, uh, we made 14:53.220 --> 14:55.800 a mistake on Nick's Perl script in the first issue. 14:56.360 --> 14:57.860 I made a mistake, as usual. 14:58.440 --> 15:00.780 Um, I, I screwed up his formatting. 15:01.460 --> 15:06.660 The format that he sent me was nice and indented and color-coded and just beautiful, beautiful 15:06.660 --> 15:07.200 code. 15:07.480 --> 15:07.720 Damn it. 15:07.720 --> 15:09.480 And I, I know. 15:09.660 --> 15:10.180 Come on. 15:10.300 --> 15:10.920 I know. 15:11.280 --> 15:12.420 Couldn't run a magazine here. 15:12.500 --> 15:13.380 Stank bad. 15:13.500 --> 15:14.340 Stank bad. 15:14.340 --> 15:17.340 Um, so yeah. 15:17.480 --> 15:19.340 I accidentally left justified the whole thing. 15:19.420 --> 15:20.860 And that's absolutely my fault. 15:20.980 --> 15:22.300 That's no reflection of his coding. 15:22.480 --> 15:27.520 So, um, you know, you can always go to rootsecure.net and he has the code available there. 15:28.040 --> 15:29.480 Lots of code available there. 15:29.580 --> 15:33.800 You know, he, I, he mentioned yesterday that rootsecure.net is open source and available 15:33.800 --> 15:34.440 for download. 15:34.560 --> 15:36.420 His, uh, whole, the whole site basically is... 15:36.420 --> 15:37.260 It's only the blog. 15:37.400 --> 15:37.700 You know what I mean? 15:37.720 --> 15:38.160 The board. 15:38.280 --> 15:39.460 The root board is open source. 15:39.460 --> 15:40.440 Oh, the root board is. 15:40.480 --> 15:40.660 Okay. 15:40.660 --> 15:41.900 See, you know, he's got... 15:41.900 --> 15:44.280 If this site was open source, it would be, it would be a tax. 15:44.560 --> 15:44.820 Yeah. 15:44.820 --> 15:46.440 Just because it's his site. 15:46.600 --> 15:46.860 Yeah. 15:47.180 --> 15:47.540 Probably. 15:48.840 --> 15:49.940 Um, boy. 15:50.100 --> 15:51.420 We still got more emails to go. 15:51.660 --> 15:53.320 Um, I got an email from Nix. 15:53.860 --> 15:57.260 And he mentioned that the stream dropped while he was listening before. 15:57.400 --> 16:00.740 He was wondering if it was something on his end or whether it was on, what was going 16:00.740 --> 16:01.040 on. 16:01.380 --> 16:03.560 Well, no, that's probably my fault too. 16:04.020 --> 16:05.760 I'm still new to the whole streaming thing. 16:05.760 --> 16:07.000 And, um, I don't know. 16:07.120 --> 16:08.500 He said it was about 10 minutes in. 16:08.560 --> 16:10.240 I don't know how far. 16:10.240 --> 16:14.500 I didn't think it was that far in, but right at the very beginning, um, yeah, I had kind 16:14.500 --> 16:15.200 of a hesitation. 16:15.440 --> 16:19.180 I had too many apps open and it dropped, uh, dropped the stream. 16:19.560 --> 16:24.680 Um, I basically rewound it just a bit, restarted it, and it went fine after that. 16:24.760 --> 16:25.500 No more drops. 16:25.620 --> 16:29.980 So, could have been on his end, but very quite probably it was on our end. 16:30.080 --> 16:34.520 And, um, you know, I just, I, I can't run anything basically. 16:34.520 --> 16:37.980 It's, even though I have a powerful PC, it's not that. 16:38.080 --> 16:41.880 It's just that I guess my upload through the DSL just isn't fast enough. 16:41.940 --> 16:43.100 So, I don't want to stress it at all. 16:43.160 --> 16:45.400 I even tried, I have the IRC client. 16:45.480 --> 16:48.800 I'd like to stay in the IRC channel and kind of chat during the stream. 16:48.920 --> 16:53.080 But, um, I tried it on even other computers inside my internal network. 16:53.080 --> 16:57.120 But it's still, it's a bandwidth issue, I believe, and, and I just, unfortunately, I'm 16:57.120 --> 16:59.240 just going to have to let the stream go and babysit it. 16:59.840 --> 17:02.520 And, um, no, I see for, no IRC for me. 17:02.980 --> 17:03.420 Right. 17:03.840 --> 17:13.900 So, um, last episode we had kind of an interesting idea, a question, and, um, I got an email from 17:13.900 --> 17:16.060 Not Theory with an answer. 17:16.400 --> 17:21.800 And the question, or the, the, the wonder, what we were wondering last episode was we talked 17:21.800 --> 17:25.260 about all those AOL discs and we got on to a little tangent about what would happen if 17:25.260 --> 17:27.620 you used an older version of AOL. 17:28.000 --> 17:37.580 Well, he tried the AOL idea and he says he tried it with the absolute oldest version of 17:37.580 --> 17:42.940 America Online possible for the Apple IIGS, 1991. 17:44.620 --> 17:45.540 That's a long time. 17:45.540 --> 17:50.440 You know that's, that's 12, 13, 18, 27 is my math off. 17:50.640 --> 17:51.740 It's a long time ago. 17:52.660 --> 17:57.740 Um, he said basically what happens is it dials up, authenticates, and then has a pop-up 17:57.740 --> 18:01.040 box that says your software is no longer supported. 18:01.940 --> 18:02.300 Ouch. 18:02.560 --> 18:02.880 Nah. 18:03.020 --> 18:05.300 Well, I mean, what, I guess, what do we really expect? 18:05.380 --> 18:07.480 Like I said, this was on an Apple IIGS. 18:07.800 --> 18:11.500 Now, I still would like to see, just out of pure curiosity, what happens if you connect 18:11.500 --> 18:13.140 with a 3.1 version? 18:14.140 --> 18:14.540 You know? 18:14.700 --> 18:15.280 I don't know. 18:15.380 --> 18:17.060 It'll probably, I bet you it'll do the same thing. 18:17.060 --> 18:18.600 I bet you they just made a generic message. 18:18.600 --> 18:22.980 If it's not version X, point X, or higher, it sends that message to everyone. 18:23.340 --> 18:27.380 But I still would like to see, because aren't there still, there are still some users that 18:27.380 --> 18:28.420 use 3.1 out there. 18:28.420 --> 18:31.420 They have a specific reason to have a machine up. 18:31.420 --> 18:36.560 You know, a company I used to work for used to do reel-to-reel tape processing, and they 18:36.560 --> 18:38.520 had an application that ran under 3.1. 18:38.620 --> 18:41.700 Now, at that point in time, I know 95 was out. 18:41.760 --> 18:44.840 98, I'm pretty sure, was, had come out. 18:44.840 --> 18:48.940 And we were still using 3.1, because that's what the application worked under, and it 18:48.940 --> 18:51.160 was never updated for newer software. 18:51.400 --> 18:54.860 So, surely there's still people out there that use Windows 3.1. 18:54.940 --> 18:59.680 I'm sure they're rare, but do you think they do, and do you think they should support that 18:59.680 --> 19:00.200 old software? 19:02.720 --> 19:03.740 It's a tough call. 19:03.960 --> 19:05.040 Yeah, I mean, that costs money. 19:05.040 --> 19:09.880 It's a lot of work on their end, but they're going to get a lot more users out of it. 19:11.240 --> 19:12.440 I don't know about a lot. 19:12.440 --> 19:22.740 But for the cost of having tech support for those old versions, and believe it or not, 19:22.740 --> 19:26.380 funny people don't know or don't remember how to use Windows 3.1 that well. 19:26.380 --> 19:27.380 Yeah. 19:27.380 --> 19:30.500 Everything now is so wizardized. 19:30.500 --> 19:31.840 I just made that word up. 19:31.840 --> 19:36.420 There's wizards for everything, and walkthrough and setting up everything is a lot more easy, 19:36.420 --> 19:37.420 you have to admit. 19:37.420 --> 19:42.420 Under 3.1, you had to do all kinds of INI files and configuration and blah, blah, blah, 19:42.420 --> 19:43.940 blah, blah, blah. 19:43.940 --> 19:46.360 So, it just might not be worth it to them, but... 19:46.360 --> 19:47.360 I just... 19:47.360 --> 19:48.360 I keep going. 19:48.360 --> 19:53.820 Yeah, I was just going to say that it's interesting that he said the message that does pop up saying 19:53.820 --> 19:58.400 that, it says it also includes a phone number to call, which is just the normal AOL support 19:58.400 --> 20:00.840 number so you can get information on how to upgrade. 20:00.840 --> 20:04.060 Now, I don't know what upgrade you're going to do for an Apple IIGS. 20:04.060 --> 20:06.060 They're basically not going to tell you your SOL. 20:06.060 --> 20:07.060 Yeah. 20:07.060 --> 20:08.060 So... 20:08.060 --> 20:09.060 Hmm. 20:09.060 --> 20:12.060 Don't know what to think about that one, but yeah, that's... 20:12.060 --> 20:13.060 That was... 20:13.060 --> 20:14.060 That was interesting. 20:14.060 --> 20:15.060 I didn't even... 20:15.060 --> 20:16.060 Honestly, I didn't know they made it for an Apple II. 20:16.060 --> 20:19.060 I didn't realize that AOL was around back then. 20:19.060 --> 20:23.060 I was thinking Windows 3.1, possibly an old DOS version. 20:23.060 --> 20:24.060 Apple IIGS? 20:24.060 --> 20:25.060 Whoo! 20:25.060 --> 20:28.060 That's a long time. 20:28.060 --> 20:31.060 Hey, hey. 20:31.060 --> 20:32.060 Um... 20:32.060 --> 20:37.060 I had another email from Beam, who sent me a link. 20:37.060 --> 20:39.060 It's kind of a long URL. 20:39.060 --> 20:40.060 I'm not going to mention it on the air. 20:40.060 --> 20:45.060 But, um, it was a site with a bunch of MP3 remixes. 20:45.060 --> 20:52.060 And, basically, kind of some club remixes and some acapella versions of different MP3s and tracks. 20:52.060 --> 20:57.060 And it just got me thinking about the legality of stuff like that. 20:57.060 --> 21:02.060 You know, for example, you can probably talk about this better than I can. 21:02.060 --> 21:06.060 With the new Apple, where you pay 99 cents per song or something like that? 21:06.060 --> 21:07.060 Yeah. 21:07.060 --> 21:09.060 The new iTunes. 21:09.060 --> 21:10.060 Yeah. 21:10.060 --> 21:11.060 They have a built-in... 21:11.060 --> 21:13.060 They have a built-in iTunes. 21:13.060 --> 21:17.060 You can go to a page that loads a browser that we can find MP3s. 21:17.060 --> 21:20.060 And I think every MP3 on the site is 99 cents. 21:20.060 --> 21:23.060 We can buy albums and stuff, and it's a secure medium. 21:23.060 --> 21:25.060 And there's a lot of things attached to it. 21:25.060 --> 21:26.060 But, yeah. 21:26.060 --> 21:28.060 That's basically 99 cents a song. 21:28.060 --> 21:30.060 And what do you get for... 21:30.060 --> 21:33.060 What are you allowed to do with an MP3 for 99 cents? 21:33.060 --> 21:34.060 You get the... 21:34.060 --> 21:35.060 You're allowed to download the MP3. 21:35.060 --> 21:39.060 You can listen to it as many times as you want, obviously. 21:39.060 --> 21:40.060 You can... 21:40.060 --> 21:41.060 Now, I think it has to be on... 21:41.060 --> 21:43.060 You can share it with three computers. 21:43.060 --> 21:44.060 Oh, you can. 21:44.060 --> 21:45.060 See, I... 21:45.060 --> 21:46.060 Yeah, I did not know that. 21:46.060 --> 21:47.060 So, you can... 21:47.060 --> 21:48.060 It's essential. 21:48.060 --> 21:49.060 So, you have the MP3 itself. 21:49.060 --> 21:50.060 It's actually an MP3. 21:50.060 --> 21:51.060 It's a different version. 21:51.060 --> 21:52.060 It's a proprietary. 21:52.060 --> 21:54.060 But it still plays them with MP3 players. 21:54.060 --> 21:56.060 You share it with three Macs. 21:56.060 --> 21:58.060 So, you pick three computers to use it with. 21:58.060 --> 22:02.060 And if it's not registered on that computer, you can't play it. 22:02.060 --> 22:04.060 And it can be burned a lot of... 22:04.060 --> 22:05.060 Like... 22:05.060 --> 22:06.060 A lot of times. 22:06.060 --> 22:09.060 It can be burned, I think, infinite times. 22:09.060 --> 22:10.060 An amount of times. 22:10.060 --> 22:11.060 I'm not sure on that. 22:11.060 --> 22:12.060 And, yeah. 22:12.060 --> 22:14.060 That's basically the limitations. 22:14.060 --> 22:16.060 So, you can burn it into an audio format. 22:16.060 --> 22:18.060 And, for example, put it in my car CD player. 22:18.060 --> 22:19.060 Exactly. 22:19.060 --> 22:21.060 And there's no registration in that, obviously. 22:21.060 --> 22:22.060 Yeah. 22:22.060 --> 22:24.060 So, that can be changed up as much as you want. 22:24.060 --> 22:25.060 Hmm. 22:26.060 --> 22:27.060 Um... 22:27.060 --> 22:28.060 Okay. 22:28.060 --> 22:30.060 More so than the legality of the license. 22:30.060 --> 22:31.060 What about... 22:31.060 --> 22:33.060 And this is probably a more general question. 22:33.060 --> 22:34.060 But... 22:34.060 --> 22:35.060 Let's say I buy... 22:35.060 --> 22:36.060 I don't know. 22:36.060 --> 22:37.060 Who's... 22:37.060 --> 22:40.060 Who's those little chicks that run around in their underwear on stage? 22:40.060 --> 22:41.060 The two girls? 22:41.060 --> 22:42.060 The two. 22:42.060 --> 22:43.060 Yeah. 22:43.060 --> 22:44.060 Those... 22:44.060 --> 22:45.060 God. 22:45.060 --> 22:46.060 Those annoying little things. 22:46.060 --> 22:47.060 So, let's say... 22:47.060 --> 22:48.060 Well, okay. 22:48.060 --> 22:49.060 I'll give them that. 22:49.060 --> 22:50.060 But that song just... 22:50.060 --> 22:51.060 Oh, my God. 22:51.060 --> 22:53.060 I just want to put a bullet in my head. 22:53.060 --> 22:54.060 Um... 22:54.060 --> 22:56.060 Let's say I download the latest tattoo. 22:56.060 --> 22:57.060 Do they have tattoos? 22:57.060 --> 22:58.060 Is that why they're called tattoo? 22:58.060 --> 22:59.060 I guess. 22:59.060 --> 23:00.060 That's what I thought. 23:00.060 --> 23:01.060 Hmm. 23:01.060 --> 23:02.060 Um... 23:02.060 --> 23:03.060 So, um... 23:03.060 --> 23:09.060 I download the latest tattoo, and I decide that I want to remix the song myself. 23:09.060 --> 23:10.060 I'm a DJ. 23:10.060 --> 23:12.060 I want to, um... 23:12.060 --> 23:18.060 I want to, I don't know, mix it with Michael Jackson, Who's Bad, and make my own little special 23:18.060 --> 23:19.060 customized version of it. 23:19.060 --> 23:21.060 Am I allowed to do that? 23:21.060 --> 23:22.060 No, you're not, because... 23:22.060 --> 23:27.060 If I own both Michael Jackson and Tattoo MP3, I can't, I don't have the right to use them 23:27.060 --> 23:28.060 how I see? 23:28.060 --> 23:30.060 You, you, you can, you can't distribute it. 23:30.060 --> 23:32.060 It's all, it's still copyright material. 23:32.060 --> 23:37.060 I read an article about Fat Boy Slim and how he would take samples and remix those. 23:37.060 --> 23:38.060 Mm-hmm. 23:38.060 --> 23:42.060 You can't remix it and re-try to sell it or just try to give it out. 23:42.060 --> 23:47.060 Uh, it will, because it's a sample of their music, I think maybe you could use a few seconds 23:47.060 --> 23:48.060 of the song. 23:48.060 --> 23:51.060 It would not be, maybe even, you can't even do that. 23:51.060 --> 23:53.060 It is their music, it's their copyright. 23:53.060 --> 23:57.060 Now, what he would do was, he would make the song, he would do, he would just, he wouldn't 23:57.060 --> 23:58.060 care at first. 23:58.060 --> 24:01.060 He would just take all his samples and make the song out of it and then go to the people 24:01.060 --> 24:02.060 and try to get it. 24:02.060 --> 24:06.060 If he couldn't give it to one person, he would have to cut that part out or not have 24:06.060 --> 24:07.060 the song. 24:07.060 --> 24:11.060 Usually he'll play it for them and say, now do you recognize where your sample is? 24:11.060 --> 24:12.060 And they say no. 24:12.060 --> 24:15.060 And it's like, they don't care because they really, you don't even know what it's in there. 24:15.060 --> 24:20.060 But if he was in like, Vanilla Ice, ripping off Vanilla Ice type stuff, where he would take, 24:20.060 --> 24:23.060 he took like the whole drum beat out of one song, then yeah, you're gonna, you're gonna 24:23.060 --> 24:25.060 get in trouble. 24:25.060 --> 24:26.060 Hmm. 24:26.060 --> 24:32.060 Um, and you say you think that even if you give that away, it's not a matter of selling 24:32.060 --> 24:33.060 it, it's just distributing it. 24:33.060 --> 24:37.060 And MP3, illegal, they got ripped MP3 off your CD. 24:37.060 --> 24:38.060 Hmm. 24:38.060 --> 24:44.060 Um, what about, what if I wanted to take, um, I don't know, the tattoo song that I just 24:44.060 --> 24:50.060 paid for and sing it myself over top of their lyrics and give it to someone as a gift? 24:50.060 --> 24:54.060 So you have the whole MP3 and then your vocals? 24:54.060 --> 24:59.060 Yeah, I turn my vocals and I make up, you know, happy birthday Wintermute, this is a song 24:59.060 --> 25:02.060 I wrote for you, tattoo, tattoo, and I send it to you. 25:02.060 --> 25:04.060 And did I break the law by doing that? 25:04.060 --> 25:05.060 Do I have? 25:05.060 --> 25:10.060 You probably broke the law by giving me, that's the gray area that you always run into with 25:10.060 --> 25:15.060 MP3s and everything, where if you give it to someone and you're not really mass spreading 25:15.060 --> 25:20.060 it, like recording stuff on the tapes and giving it to someone, really, there's, it's 25:20.060 --> 25:22.060 a very legal gray area. 25:22.060 --> 25:23.060 Yeah. 25:23.060 --> 25:25.060 I, technically it's probably illegal to do that. 25:25.060 --> 25:26.060 Yep. 25:26.060 --> 25:32.060 And I guess that's kind of what I'm, my point is, that seems like, um, for 99 cents, I get 25:32.060 --> 25:36.060 to listen, you know, it goes back to what we mentioned about renting software. 25:36.060 --> 25:38.060 You know, you're renting the MP3. 25:38.060 --> 25:43.060 You know, I, I think if I, if I buy the MP3, I should be able to remix it and do what 25:43.060 --> 25:46.060 I want with it and obviously not resell it. 25:46.060 --> 25:47.060 That's stupid. 25:47.060 --> 25:53.060 But, um, as long as you still give credit to the original artist, I don't, you know, 25:53.060 --> 25:56.060 actually, I don't, you know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to be impartial and think of it 25:56.060 --> 25:57.060 from the other side. 25:57.060 --> 26:04.060 What if I wrote the tattoo song, whatever it is, and people were remixing my song? 26:04.060 --> 26:09.060 I, you know, I honestly would think that it's probably good publicity or, unless they 26:09.060 --> 26:13.060 do it better than me, which maybe that's what a lot of them are scared of, that somebody 26:13.060 --> 26:16.060 will take their song and make it better and push them to the side. 26:16.060 --> 26:21.060 But I still think that you should be able to, you know, as long as you give credit. 26:21.060 --> 26:26.060 This is a remix of Tattoo and Michael Jackson, remixed by Stankdawg and I should be able to 26:26.060 --> 26:27.060 put that up. 26:27.060 --> 26:31.060 Maybe limit the downloads, I don't know, maybe limit the bit rate so the quality wouldn't 26:31.060 --> 26:32.060 be so high. 26:32.060 --> 26:34.060 Some, some type of compromise you think they'd work out. 26:34.060 --> 26:35.060 Maybe. 26:35.060 --> 26:36.060 Hmm. 26:36.060 --> 26:40.060 Anyway, yeah, um, so Beam sent me that link and I, I went to it and downloaded it and 26:40.060 --> 26:41.060 that's basically what they were. 26:41.060 --> 26:46.060 They were some club mixes of a bunch of different songs and, um, they were available for download. 26:46.060 --> 26:53.060 They did have the, um, the, uh, name of the artist on them and this site was overseas. 26:53.060 --> 26:57.060 So, first of all, American copyright law is going to mean jack squat to them. 26:57.060 --> 27:01.060 So, um, yeah, I thought that was, it just got me thinking. 27:01.060 --> 27:05.060 So I thought I'd think on the show out loud, see what other people thought about that. 27:05.060 --> 27:08.060 Um, and I guess that's it, we'll close the mailbag. 27:08.060 --> 27:10.060 Like I said, we had a lot of great feedback. 27:10.060 --> 27:11.060 I'm very happy with that. 27:11.060 --> 27:17.060 So, um, anybody wants to send it in, they know letters at binrev.com and, uh, maybe we'll 27:17.060 --> 27:20.060 read yours on the air, maybe we won't. 27:20.060 --> 27:21.060 Definitely we'll read them all. 27:21.060 --> 27:26.060 So, um, I guess that's it for the mail this time. 27:26.060 --> 27:28.060 Um, Mute, what have you got going on? 27:28.060 --> 27:29.060 Yeah, yeah, not so much. 27:29.060 --> 27:32.060 I was actually driving around today, you know, just doing errands. 27:32.060 --> 27:37.060 And as I was going down the road, I looked to my right as I, you could just, just peer 27:37.060 --> 27:38.060 across it. 27:38.060 --> 27:41.060 I see a phone box and there's a tech, there's a technician on it. 27:41.060 --> 27:43.060 It's a really, really big one with a bunch of pairs in it. 27:43.060 --> 27:45.060 And it's like just working on it. 27:45.060 --> 27:46.060 I'm like, oh, cool. 27:46.060 --> 27:47.060 Maybe I should talk to him. 27:47.060 --> 27:48.060 But I was really busy. 27:48.060 --> 27:51.060 So I went out and then as I was coming back, it was on the way home. 27:51.060 --> 27:57.060 I went by it, the box was open, but there was no technician, which is kind of weird. 27:57.060 --> 28:01.060 So I did multiple passes around it and got a lot of pictures I'm going to put up on the 28:01.060 --> 28:02.060 site. 28:02.060 --> 28:03.060 So it was pretty fun. 28:03.060 --> 28:04.060 It was a really big box. 28:04.060 --> 28:08.060 And at the time he was actually, I guess he was at one of the buildings nearby. 28:08.060 --> 28:13.060 He had a toner on one of the lines and he was going to go find that tone on a different 28:13.060 --> 28:14.060 line. 28:14.060 --> 28:16.060 So I thought it was pretty cool to see that. 28:16.060 --> 28:17.060 Hmm. 28:17.060 --> 28:22.060 Did you, uh, do you happen to watch any TV this week? 28:22.060 --> 28:27.060 A little, not, not, not much. 28:27.060 --> 28:28.060 Yeah. 28:28.060 --> 28:31.060 I don't, I don't watch a lot, but I watch certain shows I watch regularly. 28:31.060 --> 28:34.060 And then other times if I'm bored, I'll flip it on. 28:34.060 --> 28:35.060 And that's what happened to me this week. 28:35.060 --> 28:39.060 I flipped on this new show called Banzai. 28:39.060 --> 28:40.060 Banzai! 28:40.060 --> 28:43.060 I guess it's, I don't know if it was made here. 28:43.060 --> 28:47.060 It, it very much feels like a, a show made in Japan or something. 28:47.060 --> 28:53.060 It was this weird game show and Japanese television is famous for these weird game shows, but it's 28:53.060 --> 29:00.060 got a bunch of, um, basically they have little skits and little games of chance or games that 29:00.060 --> 29:06.060 are just silly and they, you kind of play along at home and you can bet at home, fake bet 29:06.060 --> 29:12.060 of course, bet, bet, bet, um, on like, you know, who's going to win the race, the man 29:12.060 --> 29:16.060 or the dog or who's going to, um, you know, I don't, I can't think of any of them offhand. 29:16.060 --> 29:21.060 Um, but the reason I mentioned it is because the play at home part of it, I thought was 29:21.060 --> 29:22.060 kind of interesting. 29:22.060 --> 29:26.060 Um, you go to the site and I do not have that URL offhand. 29:26.060 --> 29:31.060 I know it was off of fox.com and that's how I got to it. 29:31.060 --> 29:33.060 And it just debuted last week. 29:33.060 --> 29:37.060 Um, when you go to the site, it's basically all flash enabled. 29:37.060 --> 29:39.060 It's all a flash front end. 29:39.060 --> 29:44.060 And when the first episode was on the site was just absolutely bombarded. 29:44.060 --> 29:46.060 It was completely wiped out. 29:46.060 --> 29:51.060 Um, it has a registration page when it first started up and I, I, every time you tried 29:51.060 --> 29:55.060 to register, um, it would time out and give you air. 29:55.060 --> 29:57.060 So I got tired of trying that. 29:57.060 --> 30:00.060 I didn't want to, you know, I thought you would have to register to play. 30:00.060 --> 30:03.060 So I made up a little, you know, name and email, blah, blah, blah. 30:03.060 --> 30:10.060 Um, as it turns out, there is a link that you can go in and play anonymously or play the 30:10.060 --> 30:11.060 demo or whatever. 30:11.060 --> 30:12.060 It's the same thing, play along. 30:12.060 --> 30:13.060 It just doesn't keep score. 30:13.060 --> 30:15.060 I don't know what the difference was really. 30:15.060 --> 30:23.060 But I just thought it was very, very, I was very impressed at how perfectly to the 30:23.060 --> 30:26.060 second it was synchronized with the show. 30:26.060 --> 30:33.060 What the show does is it will introduce a skit like, um, uh, let's, okay. 30:33.060 --> 30:34.060 One, here's one. 30:34.060 --> 30:38.060 One of the silly ones was these, had these two ladies in, uh, what do you call those 30:38.060 --> 30:41.060 little scooters, the little rascal scooter things. 30:41.060 --> 30:43.060 And they were playing a game of chicken. 30:43.060 --> 30:47.060 They both started at one end of the parking lot and just went head on at each other. 30:47.060 --> 30:51.060 And the play at home thing was you bet which one you thought was going to chicken out. 30:51.060 --> 30:52.060 Oh, okay. 30:52.060 --> 31:00.060 Um, so, the announcer comes on, who's funny as hell by the way, the announcer comes on and, you know, 31:00.060 --> 31:05.060 basically explains what the game is and says, um, you know, start betting now or something. 31:05.060 --> 31:11.060 And the second he said that from a technical standpoint, I'm watching to see how this is going to work. 31:11.060 --> 31:15.060 Cause I've seen other attempts at interactive television, which is what this is. 31:15.060 --> 31:18.060 Um, that just did not work nearly as well. 31:18.060 --> 31:24.060 This one, the second he said that the screen flipped and changed to the voting screen. 31:24.060 --> 31:28.060 Now I've seen it done in HTML and Java in the past. 31:28.060 --> 31:33.060 And without going into detail, there were some vulnerabilities, there were some problems. 31:33.060 --> 31:38.060 This one being Flash, I didn't really know how to reverse engineer it or play with it too much. 31:38.060 --> 31:41.060 But it came up and it asked for voting. 31:41.060 --> 31:45.060 Voting lasts about, I don't know, 15 seconds, 20 seconds. 31:45.060 --> 31:50.060 And then he says, the guy comes on and says voting over and the screen changes again. 31:50.060 --> 31:52.060 And you go back to watching the show to see who wins. 31:52.060 --> 32:00.060 It was perfectly synchronized, open and closed, voting on, voting off immediately when the announcer said it. 32:00.060 --> 32:05.060 And I thought that was really a technical feat because obviously the site was just bombarded. 32:05.060 --> 32:07.060 Like I said, you couldn't even register. 32:07.060 --> 32:09.060 It was so overloaded yet. 32:09.060 --> 32:15.060 It was still able to keep print pinpoint precision accuracy with the timing of the show. 32:15.060 --> 32:18.060 So I was very, very impressed like that. 32:18.060 --> 32:21.060 So I'm, I'm going to check that out next time it comes on and see if they can do it again. 32:21.060 --> 32:25.060 Um, something tells me the show is going to get tired after a while. 32:25.060 --> 32:26.060 It's going to get tiresome. 32:26.060 --> 32:29.060 But again, I'm just kind of looking at it from the technical aspect. 32:29.060 --> 32:35.060 So, um, another, you know, I had a, I had a headache this week. 32:35.060 --> 32:40.060 I had a problem with my system this week where, and maybe some people out there can relate this. 32:40.060 --> 32:42.060 I had a very obscure problem. 32:42.060 --> 32:49.060 Um, when I set this box up like an idiot that I am, I tried to do it the fast, fast way. 32:49.060 --> 32:53.060 I didn't take my time and do, I hate setting boxes all up, all over again. 32:53.060 --> 33:07.060 And when I set this up, I decided I was going to plug all the devices in the first install and let XP detect everything and boot itself up and install all the drivers in one or two batches, you know, get it all over with. 33:07.060 --> 33:17.060 Well, if you have an external USB hard drive, which I have, it boots or it tries to boot from that drive. 33:17.060 --> 33:31.060 And when you format your hard drive or you have just your hard drive, um, the first time when you're installing Windows from the CD, it finds that external USB hard drive and it immediately determines that that is your C drive. 33:31.060 --> 33:37.060 Whether you've got system files on it or any files on it, it automatically tags that to be your C drive. 33:37.060 --> 33:49.060 And when I, you don't notice it until the time you're already installed all of the things and you're booting into it and you try to find your C drive and it's not there. 33:49.060 --> 33:58.060 If you find out you booted, actually all the install files went to a separate drive, your internal drive, which is labeled DEF, whatever the next letter in line is. 33:58.060 --> 34:12.060 So I find myself with a system here that boots from the F drive and there is no way to change it back to the C drive easily without some external software, which I haven't gotten around to doing. 34:12.060 --> 34:27.060 So, um, it runs, you can boot from a different drive, that's not a problem, but there is a bug in XP that when you go to your explorer and not internet explorer, your local explorer, you won't get any icons. 34:27.060 --> 34:34.060 You'll see the My Computer, the Desktop, the My Documents, you'll see all those and you can navigate through them, they work. 34:34.060 --> 34:42.060 But the graphics, the icon of the folder and the icon of the, you know, the CD-ROM and the icon of the network neighborhood, those things are missing. 34:42.060 --> 34:46.060 And it just gets annoying over time to see this blankness. 34:46.060 --> 34:53.060 Um, so I went out, it's a very obscure, I had to dig through, deep through Microsoft TechNet to find the workaround for this. 34:53.060 --> 35:07.060 And it turns out that the only workaround, the only way to fix this, again, without external third-party software, is to, there's a command, you'll have to open up a command line. 35:07.060 --> 35:14.060 And there is a command called SUBST, which is a substitute, I assume that stands for. 35:14.060 --> 35:17.060 It basically works just like mapping drives. 35:17.060 --> 35:21.060 And I'm pretty sure most of our listeners know how to map drives. 35:21.060 --> 35:25.060 Um, the command is SUBST, A to B. 35:25.060 --> 35:30.060 And you're telling it to substitute one drive for another. 35:30.060 --> 35:34.060 And in my case, it actually called my drive H, the drive that was inside. 35:34.060 --> 35:36.060 And that's what it was booting from. 35:36.060 --> 35:43.060 Well, when it looks on H, the software has a bug where it looks on C for the graphics in Explorer. 35:43.060 --> 35:45.060 Well, obviously C doesn't exist in my case. 35:45.060 --> 35:53.060 So what the SUBST command or the SUBST command does is I type in SUBST space C colon space H colon. 35:53.060 --> 35:59.060 And any time that it looks for something on the C drive, it tells it to look actually on the H drive. 35:59.060 --> 36:02.060 So it's basically mapping the C drive to the H drive. 36:02.060 --> 36:04.060 So now it knows where to find those graphics. 36:04.060 --> 36:10.060 That's the stupidest thing, the stupidest work to have to do, 36:10.060 --> 36:14.060 because Microsoft has this stupid hole that they still haven't fixed. 36:14.060 --> 36:17.060 And it's been around since XP came out apparently. 36:17.060 --> 36:20.060 So I had to create, that's the command. 36:20.060 --> 36:23.060 And who wants to type that in every time? 36:23.060 --> 36:27.060 So I made a BAT file, a good old fashioned DOS BAT file, 36:27.060 --> 36:30.060 with one command in it, the one I just read to you. 36:30.060 --> 36:31.060 And I put it in my startup. 36:31.060 --> 36:34.060 So the system starts technically with no icons. 36:34.060 --> 36:39.060 But when the startup group, when the applications in the startup group start to run, 36:39.060 --> 36:41.060 then it substitutes the drive. 36:41.060 --> 36:44.060 And by the time everything's booted up, I do have the icons back. 36:44.060 --> 36:47.060 But just such an annoying little thing. 36:47.060 --> 36:51.060 And if anybody out there has that problem, now you know how to fix it. 36:51.060 --> 36:54.060 I guess I could put the BAT file for somebody if they wanted it, 36:54.060 --> 36:57.060 but it's pretty straightforward. 36:57.060 --> 37:00.060 I've got another Microsoft issue. 37:00.060 --> 37:03.060 Even though we had an all Microsoft episode of RFA, it seemed like last time, 37:03.060 --> 37:06.060 I've been using the new Office XP beta. 37:06.060 --> 37:09.060 Have you seen or heard anything about that yet? 37:09.060 --> 37:10.060 No, I have not. 37:10.060 --> 37:13.060 I have the new Office XP beta. 37:13.060 --> 37:14.060 It's still called XP. 37:14.060 --> 37:17.060 I don't know how they're going to distinguish it from the other Office XP, 37:17.060 --> 37:21.060 but it looks not a lot different, but a little bit different. 37:21.060 --> 37:25.060 They did a lot of changes to the interface for Outlook especially. 37:25.060 --> 37:28.060 Some I liked, some I didn't. 37:28.060 --> 37:40.060 It's definitely more integrated with the contacts list, MSN Messenger or Microsoft Messenger 37:40.060 --> 37:42.060 or whatever the Messenger thing is. 37:42.060 --> 37:43.060 They've got two versions. 37:43.060 --> 37:46.060 They have Windows Messenger and they have MSN Messenger. 37:46.060 --> 37:49.060 And I have not been able to figure out the difference between the two of them. 37:49.060 --> 37:52.060 They're identical it seems like, yet they're two different downloads. 37:52.060 --> 37:55.060 But anyway, they integrate with that a lot more with the contact list. 37:55.060 --> 38:03.060 So you can be in your contacts list of Outlook and double click on a contact or contact icon in the contacts list to chat with somebody. 38:03.060 --> 38:06.060 So they're kind of trying to integrate all that again. 38:06.060 --> 38:07.060 I love Outlook. 38:07.060 --> 38:08.060 I really do. 38:08.060 --> 38:09.060 I love that program. 38:09.060 --> 38:13.060 I know a lot of people don't like hearing me say that, but I do. 38:13.060 --> 38:17.060 I haven't used a lot of the other applications on it yet. 38:17.060 --> 38:21.060 I did try to open up some Word documents. 38:21.060 --> 38:25.060 And when you open up a document, the default view mode has changed. 38:25.060 --> 38:30.060 They put in something called, I don't even know what it's called, page view or something. 38:30.060 --> 38:33.060 I opened like a seven page document is what I opened. 38:33.060 --> 38:37.060 And it tries to put one page to the screen. 38:37.060 --> 38:45.060 And when you scroll down with your mouse or you go down arrow, it automatically goes to page two on the screen. 38:45.060 --> 38:52.060 So if you don't, you know, you basically have to read the screen top to bottom before you can go on to page two. 38:52.060 --> 38:54.060 And that slows down my reading. 38:54.060 --> 38:57.060 You know, I have to wait until I finish the sentence on page one. 38:57.060 --> 39:01.060 Hesitate, scroll to page two, which moves my eyes to the top of the screen again. 39:01.060 --> 39:06.060 I like the old layout view where I can just continue and I can kind of scroll while I read. 39:06.060 --> 39:07.060 I don't hesitate. 39:07.060 --> 39:08.060 I don't lose time. 39:08.060 --> 39:10.060 So that was one annoyance with it. 39:10.060 --> 39:13.060 But I haven't really played with it a whole lot yet. 39:13.060 --> 39:17.060 There's also a little bug if you try to launch something from Outlook. 39:17.060 --> 39:20.060 Somebody sends you an email with a link in it. 39:20.060 --> 39:23.060 And it says HTTP blah, blah, blah, whatever. 39:23.060 --> 39:27.060 When you click on that, it, of course, is integrated. 39:27.060 --> 39:29.060 It pops up your browser. 39:29.060 --> 39:31.060 I assume your default browser, whatever it is. 39:31.060 --> 39:35.060 I have Internet Explorer at work. 39:35.060 --> 39:37.060 We are pretty much locked into that. 39:37.060 --> 39:49.060 When it popped up, it actually forces, I guess part of the procedure of the function call is it puts HTTP colon in front of the link. 39:49.060 --> 39:52.060 It assumes that the link in the email doesn't have that. 39:52.060 --> 40:02.060 So what ends up happening is I get HTTP colon slash slash, and then I get another HTTP colon slash, which was actually part of the link. 40:02.060 --> 40:04.060 Is that, am I making sense with that? 40:04.060 --> 40:05.060 Pretty much. 40:05.060 --> 40:07.060 Yeah, it's duplicating the first. 40:07.060 --> 40:10.060 It thinks that there's no protocol defined. 40:10.060 --> 40:12.060 It thinks that it's not defining the protocol, so it assumes. 40:12.060 --> 40:15.060 But the way it does it kind of piqued my interest. 40:15.060 --> 40:20.060 It says HTTP colon slash slash percent one. 40:20.060 --> 40:28.060 Then, right after that, it has HTTP colon and whatever the website was you were visiting. 40:28.060 --> 40:38.060 So that percent one, to me, it indicates that it's some type of parameter, and it's passing that site, that parameter, into Internet Explorer. 40:38.060 --> 40:42.060 Well, it's not necessary because the HTTP was in the link. 40:42.060 --> 40:52.060 If I clicked on, if somebody just sent me a link that says www.whatever.stankdawg.com, and I click on that, this passing of the parameter works. 40:52.060 --> 41:00.060 It passes the www.blah, and it adds the HTTP colon slash slash in front of it, and everything's honky dory. 41:00.060 --> 41:08.060 But if it has an HTTP already in the email, which most of them do, then you get a duplicate, and it just gives you an error. 41:08.060 --> 41:10.060 And you have to go cut and paste and delete a few things. 41:10.060 --> 41:14.060 And again, it's beta, so hopefully they'll fix that. 41:14.060 --> 41:17.060 But it just got me interested that they are passing parameters. 41:17.060 --> 41:21.060 So it makes me wonder, what are we going to be able to do? 41:21.060 --> 41:23.060 How can we manipulate that? 41:23.060 --> 41:38.060 But sending an email to somebody, how can we forcibly send a percent one or have a percent one function call or script or visual basic script or whatever to pull information and send it back to us? 41:38.060 --> 41:44.060 How can we use that to execute arbitrary code on the receiver's end? 41:44.060 --> 41:51.060 So potentially, if that's just one example, who knows what other function calls they could be doing? 41:51.060 --> 41:55.060 So that's potentially a security vulnerability there. 41:55.060 --> 42:00.060 I guess we'll have to wait and see the final version before we know, though, huh? 42:00.060 --> 42:03.060 Anyway, you know what? 42:03.060 --> 42:07.060 You actually were telling me something earlier about Dell that I thought was interesting. 42:07.060 --> 42:09.060 Why don't you take that? 42:09.060 --> 42:13.060 Well, Dell, as you might know, our Dell computer used to be... 42:13.060 --> 42:16.060 Well, of course, they make computers, and they do a damn good job at it. 42:16.060 --> 42:19.060 I would prefer them over any OEM right now. 42:19.060 --> 42:22.060 I think Stank would you agree with me? 42:22.060 --> 42:24.060 Yeah, they are very... 42:24.060 --> 42:28.060 I hate to admit it, but yeah, they make good, clean systems that are easily upgradable. 42:28.060 --> 42:31.060 So yeah, yeah, I give Dell a good thumbs up. 42:31.060 --> 42:32.060 So there used to be Dell computers. 42:32.060 --> 42:34.060 They'd be in the computer, straight-up computers. 42:34.060 --> 42:38.060 Well, now they moved from Dell computers to just Dell. 42:38.060 --> 42:44.060 They did this because recently they've become aware of the fact that, you know, people just don't have computers. 42:44.060 --> 42:47.060 They have a lot of accessories like cameras, PDAs. 42:47.060 --> 42:53.060 I'm not saying cell phones, but I mean scanners, cameras, everything they have. 42:53.060 --> 42:56.060 They have all these other attachments that they're missing out on. 42:56.060 --> 42:57.060 So printers. 42:57.060 --> 42:58.060 Print is a big thing they're going to do. 42:58.060 --> 43:00.060 So what they've done is they're going to integrate that. 43:00.060 --> 43:03.060 And since they're not really about computers anymore, they made themselves just Dell. 43:03.060 --> 43:04.060 Dell. 43:04.060 --> 43:05.060 They're not going to make computers anymore? 43:05.060 --> 43:06.060 Well, they're making computers. 43:06.060 --> 43:07.060 I mean, they're not Dell computers. 43:07.060 --> 43:08.060 They're just Dell. 43:08.060 --> 43:15.060 They do make computers, but since they have expanded their product line, they have made it Dell. 43:15.060 --> 43:16.060 I see. 43:16.060 --> 43:20.060 But it was kind of interesting to see that kind of name change. 43:20.060 --> 43:26.060 Like Prince, and then the artist formerly known as Prince, and Prince again. 43:26.060 --> 43:28.060 So I mean, I really don't know. 43:28.060 --> 43:32.060 So when it's, dude, you're getting a Dell, it doesn't necessarily mean you're getting a Dell computer. 43:32.060 --> 43:33.060 You're getting a Dell computer. 43:33.060 --> 43:34.060 You could be getting like a Dell. 43:34.060 --> 43:35.060 PDA. 43:35.060 --> 43:36.060 Ooh. 43:36.060 --> 43:38.060 Or a Dell camera, or a Dell printer. 43:38.060 --> 43:41.060 I think right now they're just more focusing on the printers. 43:41.060 --> 43:46.060 But I think they're doing this now, so later on they can start making their own products 43:46.060 --> 43:50.060 instead of just taking everyone else's products and shoving it into a box and saying this is 43:50.060 --> 43:51.060 a Dell product. 43:51.060 --> 43:52.060 Hmm. 43:52.060 --> 43:56.060 Yeah, but I thought the whole thing with Dell was they were like masters of manufacturing. 43:56.060 --> 43:59.060 They didn't want to develop new products and stuff like that. 43:59.060 --> 44:02.060 They just wanted to master in low-cost manufacturing. 44:02.060 --> 44:03.060 True. 44:03.060 --> 44:05.060 Well, maybe they're going to change their mindset. 44:05.060 --> 44:06.060 That was the original topic. 44:06.060 --> 44:09.060 It was on Tech TV, especially on Michael Dell. 44:09.060 --> 44:11.060 They're saying that we're not going to worry about innovation. 44:11.060 --> 44:14.060 We're going to make everyone else worry about innovation, and we're just going to build 44:14.060 --> 44:15.060 it. 44:15.060 --> 44:16.060 Right. 44:16.060 --> 44:20.060 So are they going to change the slogan, dude, you're getting a Dell? 44:20.060 --> 44:21.060 I don't know. 44:21.060 --> 44:22.060 You know. 44:22.060 --> 44:23.060 That guy's in jail anyway. 44:23.060 --> 44:24.060 I know. 44:24.060 --> 44:27.060 I was going to say, is that guy still, he got arrested for smoking pot or something 44:27.060 --> 44:28.060 like that? 44:28.060 --> 44:29.060 Or possession of milk? 44:29.060 --> 44:31.060 I think he's in jail for buying pot in New York. 44:31.060 --> 44:38.060 See, well we need to hook up the Dell guy with that busted ass chick from the Mac 44:38.060 --> 44:39.060 Switch commercials. 44:39.060 --> 44:41.060 The pothead chick from that. 44:41.060 --> 44:43.060 That is so played already, man. 44:43.060 --> 44:45.060 Everyone has talked about that. 44:45.060 --> 44:46.060 Oh, I never heard that before. 44:46.060 --> 44:47.060 Everyone. 44:47.060 --> 44:48.060 Man, they make a perfect couple. 44:48.060 --> 44:49.060 They do. 44:49.060 --> 44:51.060 Maybe they are the purple. 44:51.060 --> 44:52.060 Maybe they are together. 44:52.060 --> 44:53.060 I doubt that. 44:53.060 --> 44:54.060 Ah, see. 44:54.060 --> 44:57.060 I wonder if they both have blogs or something. 44:57.060 --> 44:59.060 Are they just, I wonder, hmm. 44:59.060 --> 45:05.060 She said it was in a, I don't know, a press release, that she looked that bad because 45:05.060 --> 45:06.060 she was on Benadryl. 45:06.060 --> 45:07.060 I've been on Benadryl. 45:07.060 --> 45:08.060 It doesn't make you up that bad. 45:08.060 --> 45:09.060 Yeah, for real. 45:09.060 --> 45:11.060 No, she was on more than Benadryl. 45:11.060 --> 45:13.060 She was on Benadryl Plus. 45:13.060 --> 45:17.060 Yeah, she was on, I don't know, she was on Flintstone Vitamins or something. 45:17.060 --> 45:20.060 She was, she was on something powerful. 45:20.060 --> 45:21.060 Ugh. 45:21.060 --> 45:26.060 Um, you know, I, I mentioned messaging earlier. 45:26.060 --> 45:30.060 Um, MSN Messenger 6.0 just came out recently. 45:30.060 --> 45:41.060 And, um, Nick 84 from RootSecure.net nailed me today with, uh, vulnerability in MSN Messenger 45:41.060 --> 45:42.060 6.0. 45:42.060 --> 45:46.060 And I assume Windows Messenger 6.0 because like I said, I don't know the difference. 45:46.060 --> 45:51.060 I think they're the same product just, I guess the MSN one is for MSN users. 45:51.060 --> 45:55.060 And maybe it ties into your, I don't know, I guess you have to have a password account 45:55.060 --> 45:56.060 for both of them. 45:56.060 --> 45:58.060 I don't really, really don't know what the difference is. 45:58.060 --> 46:06.060 But, um, there's a problem where if you, there's a buffer overflow that causes the Messenger 46:06.060 --> 46:10.060 program to crash and die completely. 46:10.060 --> 46:17.060 If you send a picture or a graphic, um, basically when you send a picture now it shows a little 46:17.060 --> 46:23.060 icon on the screen that says so and so wants to send you, Nick 84 wants to send you a picture, 46:23.060 --> 46:26.060 a picture or whatever, you click on it and it starts downloading. 46:26.060 --> 46:32.060 Well, if it's one of those pictures that, if it's a picture that was not complete, meaning 46:32.060 --> 46:37.560 that like sometimes if you're downloading a picture and your connection drops or the other 46:37.560 --> 46:42.060 connection drops or something, you'll get a half of a picture or you'll get a picture 46:42.060 --> 46:45.060 where some of the colors are missing at the bottom or something like that. 46:45.060 --> 46:51.060 It doesn't close, it doesn't have an end of file, proper end of file or end of file 46:51.060 --> 46:53.060 marker. 46:53.060 --> 46:57.060 Um, and when Messenger tries to send that, it crashes. 46:57.060 --> 46:58.060 Interesting. 46:58.060 --> 47:00.060 It crashes completely. 47:00.060 --> 47:06.060 So, if you really wanted to be an ass, just find a picture out there that's half completed 47:06.060 --> 47:10.060 or half complete a picture, as long as it's not closed properly, and send it to someone 47:10.060 --> 47:13.060 and you can just crash their email over and over again. 47:13.060 --> 47:18.060 It's interesting though because when he sent it to me, it started downloading, I saw the little, 47:18.060 --> 47:22.060 you know, 5%, 10%, the little meter goes across. 47:22.060 --> 47:23.060 It doesn't crash right away. 47:23.060 --> 47:26.060 It happens after it arrives. 47:26.060 --> 47:31.060 I saw it got up to 97% and then I heard some churning in the CPU and then it died. 47:31.060 --> 47:36.060 So, I'm thinking that there's some kind of function call at the very end, whether it's 47:36.060 --> 47:42.060 trying to load the picture, display it, pop open your graphics, you know, doing an external 47:42.060 --> 47:44.060 call to your graphics program to display it. 47:44.060 --> 47:46.060 Something along those lines is what's causing it to die. 47:46.060 --> 47:50.060 So, it's not handling errors, it's not handling the function calls properly. 47:50.060 --> 47:53.060 So, it just kills it completely. 47:53.060 --> 47:59.060 Also, since I'm talking about Messenger, I also saw an ad for a new product called 47:59.060 --> 48:06.060 I Am Marshall, which is from our friends NetIQ, which if some of the long-time listeners 48:06.060 --> 48:13.060 might remember, they used to, and I presumably still do, give security webcasts. 48:13.060 --> 48:14.060 Is that the proper term? 48:14.060 --> 48:16.060 No, that's NetIQ. 48:16.060 --> 48:18.060 NetIQ, yeah. 48:18.060 --> 48:19.060 Oh, okay, they're making this? 48:19.060 --> 48:20.060 Okay. 48:20.060 --> 48:21.060 Yeah, this is a product from NetIQ. 48:21.060 --> 48:23.060 They're a security company. 48:23.060 --> 48:28.060 And they gave some security webcasts that we've seen and discussed in the past. 48:28.060 --> 48:31.060 Well, they have this product called I Am Marshall. 48:31.060 --> 48:35.060 That is basically a sniffer for instant messages. 48:35.060 --> 48:36.060 Interesting. 48:36.060 --> 48:38.060 MSN Messenger, technically. 48:38.060 --> 48:39.060 The what? 48:39.060 --> 48:40.060 Just AOL? 48:40.060 --> 48:41.060 Just MSN Messenger. 48:41.060 --> 48:42.060 Oh, just MSN. 48:42.060 --> 48:43.060 That's cool. 48:43.060 --> 48:46.060 At least at the time when I saw this, it was an advertisement. 48:46.060 --> 48:49.060 I haven't been to the site to see if you know what all it covers, but it was mentioned 48:49.060 --> 48:51.060 with MSN Messenger. 48:51.060 --> 48:57.060 And it's, you know, they call it a security program, of course, you know. 48:57.060 --> 49:02.060 But it's basically, they sent this on the server and any instant messages that go through 49:02.060 --> 49:07.060 the server, I guess it basically just sniffs the port, although there can be a range of 49:07.060 --> 49:08.060 ports. 49:08.060 --> 49:11.060 But it basically intercepts all messages and it can log them. 49:11.060 --> 49:15.060 You can block messages, block users, block IP addresses, block whatever. 49:15.060 --> 49:20.060 So, it's basically, you know, sits in there and monitors on you like a little bitch and 49:20.060 --> 49:22.060 tattles you out. 49:22.060 --> 49:26.060 And who knows if, you know, they're going to report you, get you in trouble for it. 49:26.060 --> 49:30.060 Are they going to use it to blackmail you, hold it against you? 49:30.060 --> 49:31.060 I don't know. 49:31.060 --> 49:32.060 Is it wrong? 49:32.060 --> 49:35.060 I mean, if you work for a company, do they have the right to do that? 49:35.060 --> 49:37.060 Do you have a right to privacy in the workplace? 49:37.060 --> 49:38.060 It's their equipment. 49:38.060 --> 49:39.060 It's a good question. 49:39.060 --> 49:41.060 Well, what about high school? 49:41.060 --> 49:43.060 Is that even different? 49:43.060 --> 49:47.060 You know, if you're at work, you're getting paid and I guess you abide by their rules. 49:47.060 --> 49:48.060 What about high school? 49:48.060 --> 49:52.060 Do they, first of all, they wouldn't even have a rule against that, would they? 49:52.060 --> 49:53.060 About what? 49:53.060 --> 49:54.060 Monitoring? 49:54.060 --> 49:55.060 Yeah. 49:55.060 --> 49:56.060 Of course they do. 49:56.060 --> 49:57.060 It's their equipment. 49:57.060 --> 49:58.060 They can always do it. 49:58.060 --> 50:00.060 If it's their school network, they can watch you. 50:00.060 --> 50:02.060 I know my school logs all their stuff. 50:02.060 --> 50:03.060 It logs where you go. 50:03.060 --> 50:04.060 Hmm. 50:04.060 --> 50:08.060 If they have a filter and if it's a site that they don't want you seeing, then it logs the 50:08.060 --> 50:13.060 it logs that the person went there and that it's a bad site. 50:13.060 --> 50:15.060 Well, it could be a bad. 50:15.060 --> 50:16.060 In their opinion, it's a bad site. 50:16.060 --> 50:18.060 In the filter's opinion, yes. 50:18.060 --> 50:19.060 Yeah. 50:19.060 --> 50:22.060 I think we've established that stankdawg.com has blocked on a lot of those filters. 50:22.060 --> 50:24.060 I'll have to check that out of mine. 50:24.060 --> 50:25.060 I've been there in a while, so yeah. 50:25.060 --> 50:26.060 Hmm. 50:26.060 --> 50:27.060 Well. 50:27.060 --> 50:29.060 Yeah, that's, um, I don't know. 50:29.060 --> 50:34.060 That is, I guess, yeah, I guess technically you sign a waiver that says, 50:34.060 --> 50:38.060 I understand that I'm going to use this for whatever and they have the right to monitor 50:38.060 --> 50:41.060 me, but it's still, you know, kind of scary. 50:41.060 --> 50:46.060 And, and the, uh, is there any law protecting me or limiting me what they can do with it? 50:46.060 --> 50:52.060 You know, if I, if I say something to someone as a joke, you know, can they hold that and, 50:52.060 --> 50:56.060 I don't know, prosecute me for some joke that I make or, or? 50:56.060 --> 50:59.060 There are, there are laws, well, this may not technically apply to you, but there are 50:59.060 --> 51:03.060 laws that, uh, just talk about online, uh, harassment. 51:03.060 --> 51:07.060 And if you say something online and they can prove it, now it's kind of hard to prove it 51:07.060 --> 51:09.060 because you can make up your own IM chat. 51:09.060 --> 51:14.060 I mean, it's kind of hard to prove that they said something, but that can be held as a, uh, 51:14.060 --> 51:15.060 offense and it's a misdemeanor. 51:15.060 --> 51:16.060 Yeah. 51:16.060 --> 51:17.060 But you know what? 51:17.060 --> 51:23.060 You can't, you can't judge part of judging the severity of a crime is judging the intent. 51:23.060 --> 51:29.060 And how do you judge intent in something as faceless as an instant message? 51:29.060 --> 51:35.060 I mean, yeah, I can put a little winking, smiley emoticon, whatever you call it on there 51:35.060 --> 51:39.060 that indicates that I'm joking, but you don't necessarily always do that. 51:39.060 --> 51:44.060 You know, how do they know I wasn't joking when I said whatever? 51:44.060 --> 51:49.060 Anyway, that's a, that could go into a long discussion, but yeah, I guess bottom line is, 51:49.060 --> 51:54.060 you know, and I think most hackers know this, you assume that you're being watched. 51:54.060 --> 51:58.060 You always assume that you're being logged and watched and you're, you know, you do whatever 51:58.060 --> 52:03.060 you can do to protect yourself or whatever you have to do to protect yourself from prying eyes. 52:03.060 --> 52:04.060 Yeah. 52:04.060 --> 52:12.060 Um, speaking of prying eyes, didn't you tell me there was some news about the RIAA? 52:12.060 --> 52:16.060 We always think about, you know, oh, I'm going to use this because I'm going to be really cool 52:16.060 --> 52:21.060 because I'm getting the next version of Spider-Man or whatever, you're looking at the next movie. 52:21.060 --> 52:24.060 And you're always worried, oh, wait, this is copyright, I'm stealing. 52:24.060 --> 52:27.060 And you're like, and your friend says, no, no, keep going, man, it's okay. 52:27.060 --> 52:28.060 It's like a drug. 52:28.060 --> 52:34.060 And so if you never really had a, uh, had a reason not to download, it's always, you think, oh, it might get me. 52:34.060 --> 52:45.060 Well, right now the RIAA is, the RIAA is just about, about a thousand people under their new quote unquote prohibition of, of music, of file sharing. 52:45.060 --> 52:50.060 And everyone thinks this is, I thought that's kind of odd that this isn't a bigger news story, but now they're busting people. 52:50.060 --> 52:51.060 Mm. 52:51.060 --> 53:02.060 They're going over the big time guys that are running the, uh, Stanford or Harvard or is it Berkeley or wherever campuses optical connection to the internet, the optical pipe. 53:02.060 --> 53:06.060 They're, uh, going after normal people these days, busting them for songs. 53:06.060 --> 53:16.060 But I mean, how, how big time and how small time, are there any examples of, you know, was somebody with one CD of songs busted or do we know? 53:16.060 --> 53:30.060 It doesn't spec, it doesn't specify that they, uh, got about 75, uh, the serving subpoenas at a rate, quoting, uh, serving subpoenas at a rate of 75 U.S. a day on U.S. citizens for the crime of sharing music they love. 53:31.060 --> 53:32.060 Wow. 53:32.060 --> 53:42.060 So instead of, see, first this is his thing, the, kind of the brief history of file sharing, he started with Napster and everyone's kind of underground, but people are still getting that music out. 53:42.060 --> 53:45.060 And then Lars Ulrich goes, Napster is bad. 53:45.060 --> 53:49.060 And it, boom, then the, instead of stopping it, it booms. 53:49.060 --> 53:51.060 Everyone, everyone's got Napster on their computer. 53:51.060 --> 53:54.060 People are running software to block Napster. 53:54.060 --> 53:56.060 Originally it wasn't a problem until that day. 53:56.060 --> 53:57.060 And now it's really worried. 53:57.060 --> 54:00.060 Now it's getting into a shuffle about digital. 54:00.060 --> 54:06.060 Digital, this is, Napster really kind of got people thinking, hey, we do need digital right, uh, DRM. 54:06.060 --> 54:07.060 Yeah. 54:07.060 --> 54:09.060 And then they, and then they start rolling around. 54:09.060 --> 54:12.060 And then finally, you've seen these threats for two years. 54:12.060 --> 54:13.060 We're going to kick your ass. 54:13.060 --> 54:14.060 We're going to sue you. 54:14.060 --> 54:15.060 Well, now it's going to happen. 54:15.060 --> 54:17.060 Well, they're going to try. 54:17.060 --> 54:18.060 Well, they're going to try. 54:18.060 --> 54:21.060 Yeah, they're going to give a pretty good effort and they might get some people along the way. 54:21.060 --> 54:22.060 Yeah. 54:22.060 --> 54:27.060 And let me remind everyone, some excellent spyware software to run for Kazout Lite. 54:27.060 --> 54:28.060 It's Kazout Lite K++. 54:28.060 --> 54:30.060 It's the new version stuff. 54:30.060 --> 54:32.060 Very good stuff. 54:32.060 --> 54:33.060 I recommend using it. 54:33.060 --> 54:34.060 It does a lot of cool things. 54:34.060 --> 54:36.060 So, check that out if you're ever worried. 54:36.060 --> 54:37.060 Hmm. 54:37.060 --> 54:38.060 Yeah. 54:38.060 --> 54:43.060 I, you know, I, I thought the whole thing was, you know, wasn't it mentioned that 99% of 54:43.060 --> 54:52.060 all of the shared songs and movies and Juarez, Juarez, is, uh, comes from like 1% of the users, 54:52.060 --> 54:53.060 the top 1%. 54:53.060 --> 54:55.060 And I thought their goal was to go after that top 1%. 54:55.060 --> 54:58.060 Now they're, they're coming after everybody, huh? 54:58.060 --> 55:06.060 That, that, that, um, that good stuff may come from one person, the top 1%, but then the other whatever percent is getting it. 55:06.060 --> 55:07.060 Right. 55:07.060 --> 55:08.060 And then they're going to share it. 55:08.060 --> 55:09.060 That's the whole thing about P2P. 55:09.060 --> 55:11.060 Everyone's going to have a copy of it so you can get it from anywhere. 55:11.060 --> 55:12.060 Right. 55:12.060 --> 55:15.060 Well, that's, yeah, that's, that's what's cool about P2P. 55:15.060 --> 55:16.060 Yeah. 55:16.060 --> 55:19.060 That's a massive network and that's the problem they're going to run into. 55:19.060 --> 55:23.060 That they're going to try to grow up these people and then, you know, you're not going to stop it. 55:23.060 --> 55:24.060 It's like a virus. 55:24.060 --> 55:25.060 It's like a snowball. 55:25.060 --> 55:32.060 Well, what's, you know, they're going to screw up and they're going to bust somebody who has legitimate right to something. 55:32.060 --> 55:33.060 Yeah. 55:33.060 --> 55:38.060 Um, you know, I, you know, what a lot of people, you know what we should do? 55:38.060 --> 55:42.060 We should, we should take episodes of Binary Revolution. 55:42.060 --> 55:51.060 Rename it to Britney Spears, Make My Boobies Big, whatever, some tracks of her songs or whatever, and put them out there. 55:51.060 --> 56:00.060 Share them and, the first time they try to come after someone and threaten, make these threats, and it turns out that it's not what they thought. 56:00.060 --> 56:01.060 Right. 56:01.060 --> 56:03.060 And I wonder how closely and how carefully they check. 56:03.060 --> 56:04.060 And even then... 56:04.060 --> 56:11.060 They might be doing searches, they might be saying, okay, let's search for whatever, the wallflowers now or something. 56:11.060 --> 56:12.060 Right. 56:12.060 --> 56:17.060 They go out to those computers and they find, oh wait, we got this IP address, got it, they got this IP address, we got to go serve some penis now or something. 56:17.060 --> 56:19.060 I mean, it could be a dart board for all I care. 56:19.060 --> 56:20.060 It could be anything. 56:20.060 --> 56:21.060 It could be a Perl script. 56:21.060 --> 56:22.060 Hmm. 56:22.060 --> 56:27.060 It's choosing random lists of billions, a hundred billions of IP addresses that they've, they've harvested. 56:27.060 --> 56:28.060 Right. 56:28.060 --> 56:29.060 It might have content that's illegal. 56:29.060 --> 56:30.060 That's a problem. 56:30.060 --> 56:34.060 I mean, it's going to hurt so many people that don't really understand. 56:34.060 --> 56:40.060 I mean, of course we understand that, you know, it is illegal to download this stuff, but people just think, oh, I'm going to get my music now. 56:40.060 --> 56:43.060 It's like a new, it's like, it's like TV, just like, take it for granted. 56:43.060 --> 56:47.060 Yeah, you know, and it's the RIAA that's doing it. 56:47.060 --> 57:01.060 I think the majority of bands, with a few notable exceptions, the majority of bands and musicians out there, even though the RIAA puts them up and makes them act like they're, really, they're the one, RIAA we all know is the one making the money. 57:01.060 --> 57:04.060 You know, the artist gets passed down on a very small percentage. 57:04.060 --> 57:20.060 If you were to go to an artist and prove to them on paper, sign a contract that says, I can distribute your music cheaper and make you more money digitally, I bet you almost all of them without question would do it. 57:20.060 --> 57:22.060 But there is no alternative. 57:22.060 --> 57:23.060 There is no option. 57:23.060 --> 57:25.060 The RIAA is a monopoly. 57:25.060 --> 57:29.060 There's nothing that you can do about it, so they forcibly have to go with them. 57:29.060 --> 57:38.060 If you were to come up with a different model to distribute this stuff, it wouldn't be illegal. 57:38.060 --> 57:39.060 It wouldn't need to be illegal. 57:39.060 --> 57:46.060 You'd think some of the bands would take note and see what happens to, you know, the Metallicas of the world. 57:46.060 --> 57:55.060 I mean, the Metallica, their attitude and their crying and whining and bitching and moaning and this, Lars is like the most unpopular person. 57:55.060 --> 58:01.060 There was, was it MTV Awards or something they were at recently where they were booed. 58:01.060 --> 58:03.060 They were booed by the crowd. 58:03.060 --> 58:05.060 I mean, they are hurting their careers. 58:05.060 --> 58:09.060 They are hurting their record sales because they're whining about some of this stuff so much. 58:09.060 --> 58:14.060 When in actuality, they were probably, their record sales were probably up. 58:14.060 --> 58:20.060 People were jumping on and getting music and bootlegs and becoming, I think, a promotional item. 58:20.060 --> 58:22.060 I think it's more of a promotional thing for everyone. 58:22.060 --> 58:23.060 Absolutely. 58:23.060 --> 58:28.060 To find the cool stuff about the band, you get to find the old stuff that might, that might really cost a lot of money. 58:28.060 --> 58:30.060 And they're not going to make any money off of it anyways. 58:30.060 --> 58:39.060 Like that, that first or first few Metallica CDs that are gathering dust at some borders or Barnes and Noble or whatever store you might go to. 58:39.060 --> 58:40.060 And you're going to go buy it. 58:40.060 --> 58:43.060 Well, they're not going to see shit for that because they're not selling a lot of it anymore. 58:43.060 --> 58:44.060 Hmm. 58:44.060 --> 58:45.060 They might sell like one. 58:45.060 --> 58:47.060 And our store's thing is the store's already bought it. 58:47.060 --> 58:49.060 The store bought that copy. 58:49.060 --> 58:50.060 Right. 58:50.060 --> 58:51.060 They're going to keep it there. 58:51.060 --> 58:52.060 So they've already made their coin on it. 58:52.060 --> 58:53.060 Yeah. 58:53.060 --> 58:59.060 Is the store going to get all of, 100% of their money back when they have to, you know, cross market and throw it in the dumpster? 58:59.060 --> 59:01.060 You know, they cut through the CD or cut through the... 59:01.060 --> 59:04.060 So you're going to do their throw at the dumpster or, you know, send it back and we're going to go steal it. 59:04.060 --> 59:05.060 Yeah. 59:05.060 --> 59:06.060 I mean, that's... 59:06.060 --> 59:07.060 Dumpster. 59:07.060 --> 59:12.060 Anyway, that again could be a whole other rant and show, but we'll move on. 59:12.060 --> 59:17.060 Actually, we are running close here, but you did have something else I wanted to bring up. 59:17.060 --> 59:19.060 You mentioned that Red Hat was making a big change. 59:19.060 --> 59:20.060 Yeah. 59:20.060 --> 59:22.060 Well, Red Hat, everyone's favorite distribution. 59:22.060 --> 59:24.060 Now, don't throw the cabbage at me. 59:24.060 --> 59:25.060 I mean, don't throw the rotten crap at me. 59:25.060 --> 59:27.060 I mean, I like Red Hat a lot. 59:27.060 --> 59:28.060 It's got a lot of cool features. 59:28.060 --> 59:30.060 I mean, it's got the RPM stuff. 59:30.060 --> 59:31.060 It's got... 59:31.060 --> 59:32.060 I mean, it's just a good... 59:32.060 --> 59:34.060 I thought it was a good distribution. 59:34.060 --> 59:35.060 It runs well. 59:35.060 --> 59:37.060 Hey, pick your distro. 59:37.060 --> 59:38.060 Don't pick your nose. 59:38.060 --> 59:40.060 Don't pick your friend's nose. 59:40.060 --> 59:41.060 Okay? 59:41.060 --> 59:42.060 Fine. 59:42.060 --> 59:47.060 So, with that said, Red Hat is going to stop releasing a shrink wrap version of their software. 59:47.060 --> 59:54.060 They will no longer put that nice box of Red Hat 9 next to your books, your bookstore showing 59:54.060 --> 59:59.060 how to use Red Hat 9, or on the store comp USA, or at Office Depot, because they figure 59:59.060 --> 01:00:00.060 that... 01:00:00.060 --> 01:00:06.060 See, I think Red Hat runs in a six-month release cycle, and they'll release a version of Red Hat. 01:00:06.060 --> 01:00:09.060 That's a major release, six months between major releases, right? 01:00:09.060 --> 01:00:14.060 Major releases of the version, like a 7.2, or 7.3, or 8, or 9, or whatever. 01:00:14.060 --> 01:00:19.060 What happens is, they'll put it out there, but the advertising, the selling channel is 01:00:19.060 --> 01:00:24.060 so slow that when they get one out there, the next one's already out. 01:00:24.060 --> 01:00:27.060 So, it's hurting them to put these obsolete versions out there. 01:00:27.060 --> 01:00:29.060 It's like the computers back in the 90s. 01:00:29.060 --> 01:00:32.060 You could put something out, but within a week, it would already be obsolete. 01:00:32.060 --> 01:00:33.060 Right. 01:00:33.060 --> 01:00:34.060 That's the time to market. 01:00:34.060 --> 01:00:35.060 That's the delay. 01:00:35.060 --> 01:00:36.060 That's the time to market thing that's the problem. 01:00:36.060 --> 01:00:39.060 So, what they're doing is, they're going to say, no more of this box stuff. 01:00:39.060 --> 01:00:40.060 You're going to go download it. 01:00:40.060 --> 01:00:46.060 Well, most hardcore Linux users have been downloading it anyway. 01:00:46.060 --> 01:00:47.060 It's easier that way. 01:00:47.060 --> 01:00:48.060 You can burn your own CDs of it. 01:00:48.060 --> 01:00:49.060 It's free. 01:00:49.060 --> 01:00:55.060 I wonder if that's also going to include the server version, or the professional, or whatever 01:00:55.060 --> 01:00:56.060 they call it. 01:00:56.060 --> 01:00:59.060 Didn't they have a more expensive version that came with support? 01:00:59.060 --> 01:01:00.060 Well, they said more expensive versions. 01:01:00.060 --> 01:01:01.060 They're going to think you have to buy those. 01:01:01.060 --> 01:01:05.060 So, maybe they'll have a purchase, but it's only a purchase. 01:01:05.060 --> 01:01:07.060 You have to buy it online or something. 01:01:07.060 --> 01:01:08.060 Hmm. 01:01:08.060 --> 01:01:09.060 To buy the ISOs. 01:01:09.060 --> 01:01:12.060 Or they might do, they could buy CDs, but you have to buy them from their website. 01:01:12.060 --> 01:01:13.060 Hmm. 01:01:13.060 --> 01:01:15.060 They're not going to make a boxed version of it anymore. 01:01:15.060 --> 01:01:16.060 Yeah. 01:01:16.060 --> 01:01:22.060 That, you know, I was in Best Buy, your favorite store, earlier this week. 01:01:22.060 --> 01:01:29.060 And I went around, just for the heck of it, to see what the Linux section had in it. 01:01:29.060 --> 01:01:33.060 And it had Red Hat, what was it? 01:01:33.060 --> 01:01:34.060 Let me think. 01:01:34.060 --> 01:01:35.060 I think it was Red Hat. 01:01:35.060 --> 01:01:38.060 I think it was Red Hat 9, actually. 01:01:39.060 --> 01:01:42.060 And SUSE 8.2. 01:01:42.060 --> 01:01:43.060 Hmm. 01:01:43.060 --> 01:01:44.060 That sounds right. 01:01:44.060 --> 01:01:45.060 And that was it. 01:01:45.060 --> 01:01:47.060 That was the Linux section. 01:01:47.060 --> 01:01:48.060 Yeah, because, I mean, that's the thing. 01:01:48.060 --> 01:01:50.060 You've got to think about it from their standpoint. 01:01:50.060 --> 01:01:52.060 Those are the easiest to use versions. 01:01:52.060 --> 01:01:57.060 Well, SUSE in the past wasn't, but 8.2, I know Dool raised about it, and a lot of people 01:01:57.060 --> 01:01:58.060 like it. 01:01:58.060 --> 01:01:59.060 So, I'm glad to see them. 01:01:59.060 --> 01:02:01.060 I think a lot of those things are moving to the fact that you've got to get some people 01:02:01.060 --> 01:02:02.060 on board. 01:02:02.060 --> 01:02:10.060 And, I believe, as a mini-game to all this, that Bill Gates has declared Linux the number 01:02:10.060 --> 01:02:12.060 two threat to Microsoft. 01:02:12.060 --> 01:02:15.060 What's the number one threat to Microsoft? 01:02:15.060 --> 01:02:18.060 Well, maybe they're saying number two to Microsoft. 01:02:18.060 --> 01:02:19.060 Oh, you mean number two. 01:02:19.060 --> 01:02:20.060 As a comparison. 01:02:20.060 --> 01:02:21.060 Yeah, the biggest competitor. 01:02:21.060 --> 01:02:22.060 Yeah. 01:02:22.060 --> 01:02:23.060 So, Linux is moving up. 01:02:23.060 --> 01:02:25.060 They're never, I don't expect that in Linux now. 01:02:25.060 --> 01:02:30.060 Hopefully they can, but I don't know if they're ever going to make, surpass Windows. 01:02:30.060 --> 01:02:36.060 It would probably take something to the effect of Windows not working, like a distribution 01:02:36.060 --> 01:02:41.060 of Windows, or it not working, or maybe even, I mean, it has to be massive and it has 01:02:41.060 --> 01:02:45.060 to be so major that it would force someone to buy a new computer with something else on 01:02:45.060 --> 01:02:46.060 it. 01:02:46.060 --> 01:02:47.060 Yeah. 01:02:47.060 --> 01:02:51.060 I don't think we're naive enough to believe they're going to topple the mighty Microsoft. 01:02:51.060 --> 01:02:52.060 Never know. 01:02:52.060 --> 01:02:53.060 Like, hey, Bill Gates is assassinated? 01:02:53.060 --> 01:02:54.060 Well, that doesn't make a difference. 01:02:54.060 --> 01:02:58.060 Well, it wasn't, it was Steve Ballmer who said that they weren't, that Linux was not a 01:02:58.060 --> 01:02:59.060 threat, that Linux was nothing. 01:02:59.060 --> 01:03:00.060 He's the one that downplayed it a few years. 01:03:00.060 --> 01:03:01.060 Yeah. 01:03:01.060 --> 01:03:02.060 Developers, developers, developers. 01:03:02.060 --> 01:03:03.060 Yeah. 01:03:03.060 --> 01:03:05.060 So you see where he's coming from. 01:03:05.060 --> 01:03:06.060 Well, guess what? 01:03:06.060 --> 01:03:07.060 We're the developers. 01:03:07.060 --> 01:03:08.060 Yeah. 01:03:08.060 --> 01:03:11.060 The open source community, the hackers of the world. 01:03:11.060 --> 01:03:18.060 Oh, well, anyway, they, you know what, how, wouldn't it be, I don't know, funny, 01:03:18.060 --> 01:03:23.060 this will never happen, but, popped into my head right now, maybe, could you imagine 01:03:23.060 --> 01:03:33.060 seeing Windows, OSX, Windows, um, Windows Manager, Windows look and feel sitting on 01:03:33.060 --> 01:03:35.060 top of the Unix the same way that Apple did? 01:03:35.060 --> 01:03:36.060 Uh. 01:03:36.060 --> 01:03:37.060 Could you picture that ever happening? 01:03:37.060 --> 01:03:38.060 Is that a possibility? 01:03:38.060 --> 01:03:43.060 I like Windows, well, the only reason people pick up Windows anymore is for compatibility. 01:03:43.060 --> 01:03:45.060 Everyone writes in Windows. 01:03:45.060 --> 01:03:49.060 There's always, there's, it's very rare, the notes will move to the fact that everyone's 01:03:49.060 --> 01:03:50.060 waiting for OSX. 01:03:50.060 --> 01:03:54.060 But, almost any piece of software you want, it's written on Windows. 01:03:54.060 --> 01:03:58.060 Now, for the more obscure stuff that's cooler sometimes than, on Unix, which then would 01:03:58.060 --> 01:03:59.060 be important to, to Mac. 01:03:59.060 --> 01:04:03.060 So, you know, it's, I just like Windows because there's, there's programs in there that you 01:04:03.060 --> 01:04:04.060 can't get anywhere else. 01:04:04.060 --> 01:04:08.060 That's the only reason I would keep a Windows computer on, or a copy of a virtual PC. 01:04:08.060 --> 01:04:09.060 Right. 01:04:09.060 --> 01:04:13.060 It's kind of pointless to put, I would, it's kind of pointless to make something look 01:04:13.060 --> 01:04:17.060 like Windows, when you're not going to get the same functionality out of it. 01:04:17.060 --> 01:04:20.060 It's just going to be confusing, and I don't need any confusion. 01:04:20.060 --> 01:04:21.060 Yeah. 01:04:21.060 --> 01:04:24.060 Well, none of us need any confusion. 01:04:24.060 --> 01:04:27.060 I think that's a good, that's a good closing statement. 01:04:27.060 --> 01:04:29.060 I think that's a good way to end the show. 01:04:29.060 --> 01:04:30.060 I don't want confusion. 01:04:30.060 --> 01:04:34.060 I want peace and love and world joy and happiness and... 01:04:34.060 --> 01:04:37.060 And I want Duel not to really talk to Pimp anymore. 01:04:37.060 --> 01:04:39.060 He is really hurting himself there. 01:04:39.060 --> 01:04:40.060 Yeah. 01:04:40.060 --> 01:04:41.060 Oh, man. 01:04:41.060 --> 01:04:43.060 Duel is so mad at me. 01:04:43.060 --> 01:04:44.060 Oh, boy. 01:04:44.060 --> 01:04:48.060 For those of you who didn't listen, you got to check out RFA 72. 01:04:49.060 --> 01:04:52.060 Duel made the mistake of putting me in charge for an episode. 01:04:53.060 --> 01:04:56.060 So I had a little fun with him, and boy, I know Payback's going to be a bitch on that 01:04:56.060 --> 01:05:01.060 one, so I'm sure he's going to dig up some old outtakes or some embarrassing comments 01:05:01.060 --> 01:05:04.060 I've made and have a special... 01:05:04.060 --> 01:05:05.060 You know what? 01:05:05.060 --> 01:05:06.060 I hear by... 01:05:06.060 --> 01:05:07.060 I give him permission. 01:05:07.060 --> 01:05:12.060 He can make episode 100 or, you know, I have a special episode 75, some milestone. 01:05:12.060 --> 01:05:17.060 He can make it the Stank Dog Roast or something like they have on TV. 01:05:18.060 --> 01:05:19.060 Oh, that would be so funny. 01:05:19.060 --> 01:05:20.060 We'd bring everyone in. 01:05:20.060 --> 01:05:21.060 We'd bring parents. 01:05:21.060 --> 01:05:22.060 We'd bring... 01:05:22.060 --> 01:05:23.060 Oh, man. 01:05:23.060 --> 01:05:26.060 We'd bring ex-girlfriends, and they would just rip you to shreds for five minutes. 01:05:26.060 --> 01:05:27.060 Yeah, man. 01:05:27.060 --> 01:05:30.060 They could rip me to shreds for the whole episode of the show, probably. 01:05:31.060 --> 01:05:32.060 I'm sure you've got... 01:05:32.060 --> 01:05:33.060 I'm sure he's got plenty of outtakes of material. 01:05:33.060 --> 01:05:34.060 He's gonna... 01:05:34.060 --> 01:05:35.060 I think he's loaded. 01:05:35.060 --> 01:05:36.060 Yeah, he can nail me. 01:05:36.060 --> 01:05:37.060 I'd be a good supporter. 01:05:37.060 --> 01:05:38.060 That was... 01:05:38.060 --> 01:05:40.060 I got him pretty good, so... 01:05:40.060 --> 01:05:41.060 You know, I think we'll... 01:05:41.060 --> 01:05:42.060 Yeah. 01:05:42.060 --> 01:05:43.060 I'll play along. 01:05:43.060 --> 01:05:44.060 I'm waiting to see how he gets me back. 01:05:44.060 --> 01:05:45.060 It's gonna be fun. 01:05:45.060 --> 01:05:49.060 So, you know, I'm gonna be out of town next week, don't you? 01:05:49.060 --> 01:05:50.060 You're gonna be out of town next week? 01:05:50.060 --> 01:05:51.060 I heard about it. 01:05:51.060 --> 01:05:52.060 I thought I told you guys this. 01:05:52.060 --> 01:05:56.060 You know, it's funny because I'm gonna be out of town next week. 01:05:57.060 --> 01:05:58.060 That's kinda scary. 01:05:58.060 --> 01:05:59.060 That's uncanny. 01:05:59.060 --> 01:06:00.060 Well, I don't know who's gonna do the show. 01:06:00.060 --> 01:06:01.060 It's gonna be kinda hard. 01:06:01.060 --> 01:06:05.060 Yeah, we might have to miss a show or something like that. 01:06:05.060 --> 01:06:06.060 Try not to do that. 01:06:06.060 --> 01:06:08.060 Guys, you know, maybe we'll cancel our plans. 01:06:08.060 --> 01:06:09.060 You know, we'll figure something out. 01:06:09.060 --> 01:06:11.060 But, you know, we're gonna get your Binary Revolution radio. 01:06:11.060 --> 01:06:13.060 Well, one thing's for sure. 01:06:13.060 --> 01:06:15.060 We're not gonna put Duel in charge because he'll... 01:06:15.060 --> 01:06:16.060 Boy, he'll definitely... 01:06:16.060 --> 01:06:18.060 He'll definitely get me back for that one. 01:06:18.060 --> 01:06:19.060 He'll make both. 01:06:19.060 --> 01:06:21.060 He'll make RFA and this all. 01:06:21.060 --> 01:06:22.060 Hmm. 01:06:22.060 --> 01:06:23.060 Make it insane. 01:06:23.060 --> 01:06:24.060 He'll just do one show. 01:06:24.060 --> 01:06:26.060 It'll be the same thing like Stink Sucks or something. 01:06:26.060 --> 01:06:27.060 He'll just... 01:06:27.060 --> 01:06:30.060 He'll loop it over and over for one hour continuously. 01:06:30.060 --> 01:06:31.060 Hmm. 01:06:31.060 --> 01:06:32.060 That's funny. 01:06:32.060 --> 01:06:33.060 We're both out of town. 01:06:33.060 --> 01:06:36.060 I hope we don't accidentally go to the same place. 01:06:36.060 --> 01:06:37.060 Yeah. 01:06:37.060 --> 01:06:43.060 Speaking of being out of town, I mentioned in the forums that I am going to be taking a bit of a leave of absence. 01:06:43.060 --> 01:06:44.060 Um... 01:06:44.060 --> 01:06:45.060 Not gonna be disappearing. 01:06:45.060 --> 01:06:47.060 I'll still be checking in the forums. 01:06:47.060 --> 01:06:48.060 I'll just be lurking more. 01:06:48.060 --> 01:06:51.060 I just don't have time to post as much as I used to. 01:06:51.060 --> 01:06:52.060 And, um... 01:06:52.060 --> 01:06:53.060 There's... 01:06:53.060 --> 01:06:54.060 This is a call for two things. 01:06:54.060 --> 01:06:56.060 One, to be your post ranking. 01:06:56.060 --> 01:06:57.060 Yeah. 01:06:57.060 --> 01:06:59.060 Two, for Bland to take over. 01:06:59.060 --> 01:07:00.060 Yeah, Bland is gonna... 01:07:00.060 --> 01:07:02.060 You know, Bland's administrator. 01:07:02.060 --> 01:07:04.060 I don't know why the hell you gave it to him. 01:07:04.060 --> 01:07:06.060 Yeah, Bland's gonna be in charge while I'm gone. 01:07:06.060 --> 01:07:08.060 And he's gonna end up a lot of crazy stuff. 01:07:08.060 --> 01:07:09.060 Ugh. 01:07:09.060 --> 01:07:10.060 Well, it's Bland. 01:07:10.060 --> 01:07:11.060 That's what he does. 01:07:11.060 --> 01:07:12.060 Crazy stuff. 01:07:12.060 --> 01:07:13.060 It's not surprising from him. 01:07:13.060 --> 01:07:14.060 Okay. 01:07:14.060 --> 01:07:16.060 So, I'm gonna be away for a while. 01:07:16.060 --> 01:07:17.060 Everybody has my email address. 01:07:17.060 --> 01:07:19.060 They know how to get in touch with me. 01:07:19.060 --> 01:07:21.060 I probably won't see private messages on the forums. 01:07:21.060 --> 01:07:22.060 Um... 01:07:22.060 --> 01:07:26.060 So, if it's something important, get in touch with a DDP member and they will get in touch with me. 01:07:26.060 --> 01:07:29.060 Or, you know, if you know how to get in touch with me directly, by all means do so. 01:07:29.060 --> 01:07:30.060 Um... 01:07:30.060 --> 01:07:32.060 I got too many projects to work on. 01:07:32.060 --> 01:07:35.060 And, hopefully if things slow down, I'll be back in more often. 01:07:35.060 --> 01:07:36.060 It disappeared. 01:07:36.060 --> 01:07:37.060 You go talking shit about me. 01:07:37.060 --> 01:07:38.060 I'm still checking it every once in a while. 01:07:38.060 --> 01:07:39.060 So, I'll find out about it. 01:07:39.060 --> 01:07:41.060 Maybe I want to mix Pearl scripts ready to go. 01:07:41.060 --> 01:07:42.060 Exactly. 01:07:42.060 --> 01:07:43.060 Exactly. 01:07:43.060 --> 01:07:44.060 The database for stank and suck. 01:07:44.060 --> 01:07:48.060 Don't make me crash your MSN messenger, dammit. 01:07:48.060 --> 01:07:49.060 Um... 01:07:49.060 --> 01:07:51.060 And, we have a request. 01:07:51.060 --> 01:07:52.060 I have a request. 01:07:52.060 --> 01:07:54.060 This is now episode three. 01:07:54.060 --> 01:07:58.060 Three and a half, four if you count the pilot, but we don't. 01:07:58.060 --> 01:08:00.060 This is episode three of Binary Revolution Radio. 01:08:00.060 --> 01:08:03.060 And, we have the archives up. 01:08:03.060 --> 01:08:05.060 Kind of been winging it lately. 01:08:05.060 --> 01:08:06.060 Um... 01:08:06.060 --> 01:08:10.060 And, it is about time that we started putting up some show notes, like we do with RFA. 01:08:10.060 --> 01:08:21.060 So, I'm going to put out a call for volunteers, if somebody wants to write up some show notes for us, and be the official show notes taker person. 01:08:21.060 --> 01:08:22.060 That's... 01:08:22.060 --> 01:08:23.060 Is that a good title? 01:08:23.060 --> 01:08:24.060 Better. 01:08:24.060 --> 01:08:25.060 I think we should offer them this. 01:08:25.060 --> 01:08:26.060 You know, we really can't give you money. 01:08:26.060 --> 01:08:27.060 We can't give you sex. 01:08:27.060 --> 01:08:28.060 I'm not going to give you sex. 01:08:28.060 --> 01:08:29.060 Oh, come on you. 01:08:29.060 --> 01:08:30.060 Give them... 01:08:30.060 --> 01:08:31.060 Come on now. 01:08:31.060 --> 01:08:32.060 Oh, nothing. 01:08:32.060 --> 01:08:33.060 No. 01:08:33.060 --> 01:08:34.060 No, that's Dool's department. 01:08:34.060 --> 01:08:35.060 No. 01:08:35.060 --> 01:08:36.060 What we're going to give them... 01:08:36.060 --> 01:08:37.060 I think we should give them an email address. 01:08:37.060 --> 01:08:38.060 Show notes. 01:08:38.060 --> 01:08:39.060 Yeah, you know... 01:08:39.060 --> 01:08:44.060 So, you know, when you mistype something, you're going to get your email box filled like spam. 01:08:44.060 --> 01:08:45.060 You... 01:08:45.060 --> 01:08:46.060 That's... 01:08:46.060 --> 01:08:47.060 You know what? 01:08:47.060 --> 01:08:48.060 That's what I'm going to do. 01:08:48.060 --> 01:08:49.060 I will give... 01:08:49.060 --> 01:08:50.060 I'll tell you what. 01:08:50.060 --> 01:08:54.060 I will create an address called notes at binrev.com. 01:08:54.060 --> 01:08:55.060 And it's open call. 01:08:55.060 --> 01:08:59.060 What we'll do is, anybody listening, give us show notes for this episode. 01:08:59.060 --> 01:09:02.060 And we will basically pick the best one. 01:09:02.060 --> 01:09:06.060 And next episode, we will name the official show note taker person. 01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:10.060 And that person will email the show notes to that address every week. 01:09:10.060 --> 01:09:14.060 We will give you an at binrev.com email address of your own. 01:09:14.060 --> 01:09:18.060 And we'll put all the show notes up on the site, on the archives. 01:09:18.060 --> 01:09:22.060 We'll put your name up on the archives as the official archivist. 01:09:22.060 --> 01:09:23.060 We'll give you a cool title. 01:09:23.060 --> 01:09:25.060 We'll hook you up and make sure we give you shouts. 01:09:25.060 --> 01:09:28.060 Send it to notes at binrev.com. 01:09:28.060 --> 01:09:30.060 N-O-T-E-S. 01:09:30.060 --> 01:09:32.060 Go ahead and give us a sample. 01:09:32.060 --> 01:09:34.060 Just go ahead and write up notes for this show about a paragraph. 01:09:34.060 --> 01:09:36.060 Oh, you're like American Idol for show notes. 01:09:36.060 --> 01:09:37.060 Yeah. 01:09:37.060 --> 01:09:38.060 American Idol. 01:09:38.060 --> 01:09:40.060 No, I don't think it's quite an American Idol. 01:09:40.060 --> 01:09:42.060 Look at that bracket made up. 01:09:42.060 --> 01:09:43.060 It's going to be good. 01:09:43.060 --> 01:09:44.060 Ooh. 01:09:44.060 --> 01:09:47.060 We're going to have people vote it off each week and stuff, too? 01:09:47.060 --> 01:09:51.060 So, during the show, when this is live, or pseudo-live, watch. 01:09:51.060 --> 01:09:54.060 And you'll be picking your people as the show goes on. 01:09:54.060 --> 01:09:55.060 Ooh. 01:09:55.060 --> 01:09:56.060 Okay, cool. 01:09:56.060 --> 01:10:01.060 Just notes with, mention the host and the names of the guests who are on there. 01:10:01.060 --> 01:10:02.060 Any links or something? 01:10:02.060 --> 01:10:03.060 Don't give them anything. 01:10:03.060 --> 01:10:04.060 Just give them the show notes. 01:10:04.060 --> 01:10:06.060 Just have to make show notes? 01:10:06.060 --> 01:10:09.060 You have to make sure, hey, that's what we're going to rank them on. 01:10:09.060 --> 01:10:12.060 But we got to get, but I want to make sure they know that we need the links that we lose. 01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:13.060 Basically like RFA. 01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:16.060 If we use a link in the show, you know, make, write that up. 01:10:16.060 --> 01:10:20.060 If they're going to, you know, mention the topics that we touch on, stuff like that. 01:10:20.060 --> 01:10:23.060 Just not a book, you know, a little paragraph. 01:10:23.060 --> 01:10:24.060 Yeah. 01:10:24.060 --> 01:10:27.060 Whoever can come up with the most creative, most interesting, that's what we'll go with. 01:10:27.060 --> 01:10:29.060 I won't give them any more than that. 01:10:29.060 --> 01:10:30.060 I already told them. 01:10:30.060 --> 01:10:32.060 That's already pretty generic, right? 01:10:32.060 --> 01:10:33.060 That's good. 01:10:33.060 --> 01:10:38.060 Um, so, um, I guess, you got any shouts to give out? 01:10:38.060 --> 01:10:40.060 Not at this point in time. 01:10:40.060 --> 01:10:41.060 No? 01:10:41.060 --> 01:10:42.060 Well, I'm going to... 01:10:42.060 --> 01:10:45.060 I want to give a shout maybe to that telco man who left his, completely, the box completely 01:10:45.060 --> 01:10:46.060 open. 01:10:46.060 --> 01:10:48.060 That's not a, that's not even bad. 01:10:48.060 --> 01:10:49.060 It's bad because of two rings. 01:10:49.060 --> 01:10:52.060 You know, one, you're going to get in there, kids fall in there, you know. 01:10:52.060 --> 01:10:53.060 Why don't you kill yourself? 01:10:53.060 --> 01:10:54.060 Two, it's a terrorist threat. 01:10:54.060 --> 01:10:56.060 I'm going to call, I should have called tips. 01:10:56.060 --> 01:10:57.060 Ugh. 01:10:57.060 --> 01:10:58.060 Ugh. 01:10:58.060 --> 01:10:59.060 Man. 01:10:59.060 --> 01:11:00.060 I mean, come on. 01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:01.060 You would have knocked yourself out by calling tips though. 01:11:01.060 --> 01:11:03.060 They would have had your number. 01:11:03.060 --> 01:11:04.060 That's true. 01:11:04.060 --> 01:11:07.060 Um, I'm going to shout out to a friend of mine, Cy2. 01:11:07.060 --> 01:11:14.060 Um, he's a boy, I talked to him and he's working on, he's, he's working on his degree 01:11:14.060 --> 01:11:19.060 and he's doing his senior project and, I mean, he was telling me about it and it just blew 01:11:19.060 --> 01:11:20.060 me away. 01:11:20.060 --> 01:11:21.060 I was just blank stare. 01:11:21.060 --> 01:11:25.060 I mean, this guy's doing such incredible stuff that it's just amazing. 01:11:25.060 --> 01:11:26.060 So I'm going to give shout outs to him. 01:11:26.060 --> 01:11:30.060 He's busting his ass and I know he's going to be real happy when he gets done. 01:11:30.060 --> 01:11:32.060 So, uh, I'll give a shout out to him. 01:11:32.060 --> 01:11:33.060 Shout out to SubZero. 01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:35.060 Uh, wrote us some graphics. 01:11:35.060 --> 01:11:36.060 He posted the forums. 01:11:36.060 --> 01:11:39.060 We're going to make some banners out of those so we can start spreading the word for Binary 01:11:39.060 --> 01:11:40.060 Revolution. 01:11:40.060 --> 01:11:41.060 They all looked great. 01:11:41.060 --> 01:11:46.060 Um, and speaking of that, we might be updating the website yet again. 01:11:46.060 --> 01:11:48.060 Binrev does have a nice new layout. 01:11:48.060 --> 01:11:53.060 I cleaned it up as best I could, but I have very limited skills artistically. 01:11:53.060 --> 01:11:57.060 So, um, working with someone, we'll make a big announcement, a surprise announcement 01:11:57.060 --> 01:12:01.060 when we do this, but, um, we're going to be updating the website a little bit, uh, soon, 01:12:01.060 --> 01:12:02.060 or a lot soon. 01:12:02.060 --> 01:12:06.060 So, um, look for that and, um, email us. 01:12:06.060 --> 01:12:08.060 I mentioned letters at binrev.com. 01:12:08.060 --> 01:12:10.060 Oh, distributed.net team. 01:12:10.060 --> 01:12:11.060 Anyone listening? 01:12:11.060 --> 01:12:14.060 DDP has a distributed.net team. 01:12:14.060 --> 01:12:20.060 And I harp on this on the forums all the time, and I beg people, come join the distributed.net 01:12:20.060 --> 01:12:21.060 team. 01:12:21.060 --> 01:12:22.060 Go to stankdawg.com. 01:12:22.060 --> 01:12:24.060 There's a link directly to it. 01:12:24.060 --> 01:12:29.060 If you don't know what it is, there's a forum on the Stankdawg forums that says exactly how 01:12:29.060 --> 01:12:30.060 to set it up. 01:12:30.060 --> 01:12:31.060 Come on, people. 01:12:31.060 --> 01:12:33.060 Let's start churning out some numbers here. 01:12:33.060 --> 01:12:35.060 Let's start cracking this encryption, get the team going. 01:12:35.060 --> 01:12:39.060 Um, and I guess that's about it. 01:12:39.060 --> 01:12:40.060 Possibly. 01:12:40.060 --> 01:12:43.060 Little hint, maybe next week will be a special episode. 01:12:43.060 --> 01:12:44.060 Perhaps, perhaps. 01:12:44.060 --> 01:12:45.060 Could be a special episode. 01:12:45.060 --> 01:12:48.060 Um, next week, uh, when is that going to be, mute? 01:12:48.060 --> 01:12:49.060 Same hack time. 01:12:49.060 --> 01:12:50.060 Same hack channel. 01:12:50.060 --> 01:12:52.060 See you then. 01:12:52.060 --> 01:12:56.060 But in the meantime, we are going to leave you with this track from the bland inquisitor 01:12:56.060 --> 01:12:57.060 himself. 01:12:57.060 --> 01:12:58.060 So, enjoy. 01:12:58.060 --> 01:13:00.060 I want you to give me a favor. 01:13:00.060 --> 01:13:01.060 Yeah, sure. 01:13:01.060 --> 01:13:03.060 I want you to hit me as hard as you can. 01:13:03.060 --> 01:13:04.060 What? 01:13:04.060 --> 01:13:05.060 I want you to hit me as hard as you can. 01:13:05.060 --> 01:13:19.060 I was the one little center in the life of this world to grab it around. 01:13:19.060 --> 01:13:26.060 The first rule of Fight Club is, you do not talk about Fight Club. 01:13:26.060 --> 01:13:32.060 The second rule of Fight Club is, you do not talk about Fight Club. 01:13:32.060 --> 01:13:33.060 The third rule of Fight Club. 01:13:33.060 --> 01:13:34.060 Somebody yells, stop. 01:13:34.060 --> 01:13:35.060 Close lips. 01:13:35.060 --> 01:13:36.060 Pass out. 01:13:36.060 --> 01:13:37.060 Fight is over. 01:13:37.060 --> 01:13:38.060 Fourth rule. 01:13:38.060 --> 01:13:39.060 That you guys can fight. 01:13:39.060 --> 01:13:40.060 Fifth rule. 01:13:40.060 --> 01:13:41.060 Don't fight on time. 01:13:41.060 --> 01:13:42.060 Sixth rule. 01:13:42.060 --> 01:13:43.060 No shirt, no shoes. 01:13:43.060 --> 01:13:44.060 Seventh rule. 01:13:44.060 --> 01:13:45.060 Fights will go on as long as they have to. 01:13:45.060 --> 01:13:46.060 And the eighth. 01:13:46.060 --> 01:13:47.060 Final rule. 01:13:47.060 --> 01:14:02.060 This is your first night at Fight Club. 01:14:02.060 --> 01:14:05.060 You have to fight. 01:14:05.060 --> 01:14:11.060 You can swallow a pine of blood before you get sick. 01:14:11.060 --> 01:14:25.840 We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars, but we won't. We're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off. 01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:53.840 We're not the contents of your wallet. 01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:57.580 We're not your fucking khakis. 01:15:00.400 --> 01:15:02.780 We're the all-sister and all-dancing crap of the world. 01:15:05.860 --> 01:15:09.120 This is your life, ending one minute at a time. 01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:12.920 This is your life, ending one minute at a time. 01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:20.220 Strangers with this kind of honesty make me go a big rubbery one. 01:15:20.220 --> 01:15:24.220 Strangers with this kind of honesty make me go a big rubbery one. 01:15:24.220 --> 01:15:26.220 I'll tell you what I'm about to say, please. 01:15:26.220 --> 01:15:27.220 I'm afraid to do that. 01:15:27.220 --> 01:15:33.220 Strangers with this kind of thing. 01:15:33.220 --> 01:15:34.220 Okay. 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:48.720 We're all raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars, but we won't. 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:51.280 So learning the fact 01:15:51.280 --> 01:15:54.500 We're very, very 01:15:54.500 --> 01:15:55.460 Historic 01:15:55.460 --> 01:16:01.080 Advertising 01:16:01.080 --> 01:16:01.120 Advertising 01:16:01.120 --> 01:16:01.680 Advertising 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:04.560 Working jobs we hate 01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:06.860 We don't need your touch 01:16:06.860 --> 01:16:11.060 I guess I love you 01:16:11.060 --> 01:16:14.120 I'll say you haven't lost your touch 01:16:14.120 --> 01:16:18.360 I guess I love you 01:16:18.360 --> 01:16:21.340 I'll say you haven't lost your touch 01:16:21.340 --> 01:16:23.540 Would you like to go on? 01:16:24.140 --> 01:16:25.520 I guess I love you 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:28.580 I'll say you haven't lost your touch 01:16:28.580 --> 01:16:30.280 Advertising 01:16:30.280 --> 01:16:30.640 Advertising 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:31.880 Cars and clothes 01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:33.760 Working jobs we hate 01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:34.760 We buy shit 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:35.600 We don't need 01:16:35.600 --> 01:16:38.280 Advertising 01:16:38.280 --> 01:16:38.640 Advertising 01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:39.900 Cars and clothes 01:16:39.900 --> 01:16:41.780 Working jobs we hate 01:16:41.780 --> 01:16:42.780 We buy shit 01:16:42.780 --> 01:16:43.620 We don't need