WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:02.220 Stank, dog, and the mother-fucking-hizzy. 00:02.560 --> 00:04.600 I will make you want to give you a pee. 00:30.000 --> 00:33.460 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. 00:33.800 --> 00:37.180 On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 00:37.420 --> 00:39.900 In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream cats. 00:40.240 --> 00:43.100 You need some ISO? Let me do my hard drive rifle. 00:43.420 --> 00:45.120 Our exchange you could never stifle. 00:45.400 --> 00:48.260 In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 00:48.580 --> 00:49.700 I bootlegged your CD. 00:50.120 --> 00:52.280 I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 00:52.620 --> 00:54.520 Your CG, it's all gonna be free. 00:54.520 --> 00:56.920 Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 00:57.300 --> 00:58.860 You feel that rattle in your bones? 00:58.860 --> 01:02.080 When I tell you we just hacked out Jones and NASDAQ. 01:02.140 --> 01:03.180 Leave your fight on your back. 01:03.440 --> 01:05.460 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:05.700 --> 01:08.300 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:08.720 --> 01:11.340 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals. 01:11.820 --> 01:16.540 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, SINs. 01:16.640 --> 01:18.920 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack. 01:23.820 --> 01:27.360 Welcome to the next generation of hacking information exchange. 01:28.860 --> 01:32.340 Welcome to the next generation of hacking information exchange. 01:34.020 --> 01:37.620 Welcome to the next generation of hacking information exchange. 01:38.580 --> 01:40.580 With Stank Dog and Wintermute. 01:41.360 --> 01:43.480 Hey, hey, Wintermute in the house. 01:43.560 --> 01:45.240 And who's with me recording the show? 01:45.580 --> 01:48.800 That would be, oh, oh, Stank Dog in the house. 01:49.240 --> 01:49.960 Oh, yeah. 01:49.960 --> 01:52.300 And yes, we are back together again. 01:53.240 --> 01:54.240 It's a hot couple. 01:55.300 --> 01:56.940 Boy, that's the understatement of the year. 01:59.060 --> 02:05.380 We had Dual Parallel on the show last week while Mute was on a little freak scout mission. 02:06.860 --> 02:07.980 And we are back this week. 02:08.020 --> 02:10.000 We got a lot of topics to talk about. 02:10.000 --> 02:15.960 So I'm going to jump right into some, well, let's do a little housekeeping email, that kind of stuff first. 02:16.540 --> 02:19.880 First of all, we put out a call for show notes a while back. 02:20.260 --> 02:22.600 And we have been getting show notes sent in. 02:22.700 --> 02:23.980 So I appreciate that. 02:24.040 --> 02:25.020 We're going through some of them. 02:25.620 --> 02:27.860 I do actually have a front runner. 02:27.980 --> 02:29.120 Someone did stand out. 02:29.180 --> 02:30.680 Nice, clear, concise notes. 02:30.780 --> 02:31.500 Hit the topics. 02:32.400 --> 02:36.040 And it's somebody who's actually new to the DDP world, if I can say that. 02:36.100 --> 02:39.120 Somebody who's just recently joined. 02:39.360 --> 02:41.160 So that's a little hint, I guess. 02:41.500 --> 02:42.200 I'll leave it like that. 02:42.320 --> 02:44.080 But I'm going to let it go for another week. 02:44.140 --> 02:45.480 We'll announce a winner next week. 02:45.520 --> 02:51.480 So if you still want to get in, again, we're going to give you an at binrev.com email address. 02:51.480 --> 02:56.240 And we will put your name on the official notes taker page, however you want to call it. 02:56.240 --> 03:01.560 So go ahead and send in your submissions to notes at binrev.com. 03:03.460 --> 03:07.640 Also, I put out a call for distributed.net, the distributed team. 03:08.060 --> 03:10.820 We've got 16 members now and counting. 03:11.000 --> 03:13.100 So that's very, very cool. 03:13.660 --> 03:14.680 Wootage, I would say. 03:15.400 --> 03:16.420 So join up. 03:16.440 --> 03:19.120 It doesn't matter what kind of numbers you put out, what your standings are. 03:19.240 --> 03:21.360 Somebody mentioned they had a dual processor. 03:21.500 --> 03:22.140 Very cool. 03:22.240 --> 03:23.640 That's going to help turn out some numbers. 03:23.640 --> 03:28.060 Others, you know, other people only have one or two computers or, you know, just one laptop. 03:28.300 --> 03:32.900 Or it only, you know, will put up, you know, upload one packet of information every week. 03:33.060 --> 03:34.300 Every little bit helps. 03:34.420 --> 03:36.060 Just, you know, minimize it, let it run. 03:36.100 --> 03:36.980 It doesn't bother anything. 03:37.620 --> 03:39.920 And each little bit puts the team up higher. 03:40.120 --> 03:41.480 So very cool. 03:41.580 --> 03:44.280 We're actually back at a holding pattern where we were starting to slide. 03:44.360 --> 03:47.020 We're actually starting to hold again and maybe even gain some ground. 03:47.280 --> 03:49.400 So very cool. 03:49.460 --> 03:50.500 I'm very happy about that. 03:50.500 --> 03:58.380 And we had a couple emails this week that I thought I'd mention on the air. 03:58.440 --> 04:03.880 One from M from S, who we're always happy to see email from him. 04:03.920 --> 04:04.960 He always has some good comments. 04:06.360 --> 04:11.640 You know, he mentioned that, you know, some people said that we kind of, or at least not we, I guess I should say I, 04:11.960 --> 04:14.720 have a tendency to rant and get on the soapbox sometimes. 04:14.720 --> 04:20.500 And he mentioned that he doesn't really mind the rant so much because it gives him another viewpoint, 04:20.660 --> 04:26.160 another way to think about things that I kind of overanalyze things and bring out some points that he might not have thought of before. 04:27.380 --> 04:31.660 But he also mentioned that the ratio of rant to tech is getting a lot better. 04:31.760 --> 04:36.200 We're talking about a lot more tech topics and they're not, you know, ranting too awful much. 04:36.200 --> 04:43.520 And again, I said this at the beginning, we were going to rant that first episode or two just to show people where we stood on certain topics and we've moved on from that. 04:43.520 --> 04:52.000 Actually, another thing he mentioned that really had me a little bit more concerned was that he said the sound levels are a little bit off. 04:52.080 --> 04:58.840 He says that when he listens to the MP3s, the music is a lot higher than our voices. 04:59.920 --> 05:01.420 So I blame that on mute. 05:02.280 --> 05:03.160 Mute, speak up. 05:03.840 --> 05:04.240 I'll try. 05:04.240 --> 05:04.900 All right. 05:04.980 --> 05:15.000 Now, actually, I don't, I, first of all, I hope you have the newer MP3s because I made some mistakes on some of the earlier ones, 05:15.040 --> 05:18.100 the ones that are underscore low, I think I call the file names. 05:18.320 --> 05:24.240 So I had accidentally encoded those in stereo instead of mono and it tried to simulate stereo and really messed the sound up. 05:24.500 --> 05:27.460 So first of all, I hope you got the newer MP3s. 05:27.460 --> 05:28.540 That's, that's the first thing. 05:28.760 --> 05:33.020 Um, secondly, yeah, I'm not, you know, uh-oh. 05:33.020 --> 05:34.960 That was me, don't worry, keep talking. 05:35.160 --> 05:36.080 FBI on the line? 05:36.300 --> 05:36.580 Correct. 05:37.540 --> 05:39.660 Um, I'll let them listen, I guess. 05:39.700 --> 05:40.980 If they want to participate, they can too. 05:41.820 --> 05:43.960 Um, where was I? 05:43.980 --> 05:50.240 Let's see, I was saying that, um, oh, that I, the MP3, I also, when I listen back to it sometimes, 05:50.240 --> 05:53.900 I can't really seem to see any consistency. 05:53.900 --> 06:00.680 I put normalization on when I compress it to MP3, which should, should try to adjust and balance out the voices, 06:00.820 --> 06:02.940 which are going to be lower than the MP3, of course. 06:03.020 --> 06:05.660 Other than the opening music and closing music, stuff like that. 06:06.040 --> 06:09.320 Maybe I should take that, that auto-balancing off. 06:10.440 --> 06:13.460 Maybe it's trying to, I, I don't, I really don't know. 06:13.540 --> 06:16.980 I'll try a few things and see if I can work out and get it to be a little bit more steady. 06:16.980 --> 06:25.840 Um, there is a feature in here that will allow us to boost the signal, make it louder, make it softer, 06:25.840 --> 06:32.120 but it just leaves sound remnants that are very, very noticeable, beeps and blips, and it, it just doesn't work very well. 06:32.120 --> 06:34.760 So, I really try to avoid using it. 06:34.760 --> 06:38.380 So, um, I'll work on a few things, see if I can get a sound quality out a little bit better. 06:38.980 --> 06:41.380 Um, I know it can be frustrating. 06:41.480 --> 06:46.580 Somebody mentioned that they, uh, had it in their earphones and all of a sudden I'll scream or yell or something like that, 06:46.620 --> 06:48.620 and, uh, it'll, uh, blast their ears out. 06:48.620 --> 06:52.860 So, um, yeah, I'm, I'm still working on that, um, it's getting better, I think, each week. 06:52.920 --> 06:55.800 I think last week sounded really good, and hopefully this week will be better, too. 06:56.620 --> 07:01.260 Um, also, I thought this was kind of funny, it made me laugh, roll on, just, what is it, 07:01.280 --> 07:03.560 are rolling on the floor laughing my ass off? 07:03.960 --> 07:06.680 Uh, okay, not really, but it did make me laugh. 07:06.940 --> 07:12.720 He said that, um, you know, I was talking about how, uh, how much money it costs and how I'm trying, 07:12.800 --> 07:14.960 you know, all these projects we want to do with BinRev, 07:14.960 --> 07:21.340 and his suggestion was that, uh, all the AOL discs that I have, which are just innumerable, uncountable, 07:21.860 --> 07:25.280 I guess they're actually, they're countable, I guess that's an exaggeration, but I have a whole lot of them. 07:25.760 --> 07:30.820 Uh, he said maybe someday in the future they'll be, uh, in high demand that I can sell them to the Smithsonian 07:30.820 --> 07:32.300 or something and make a lot of money off of them. 07:32.400 --> 07:36.100 So, yeah, I'll, uh, I'll think about that one. 07:37.160 --> 07:40.860 Right now I can't take a piss without splashing on an AOL disc, so I don't foresee them, 07:40.960 --> 07:44.100 I don't foresee them being rare any time in the future, but... 07:44.100 --> 07:46.200 Well, I mean the AOL 1.0, floppy. 07:46.340 --> 07:46.680 Yeah. 07:46.900 --> 07:47.420 You have no idea. 07:47.800 --> 07:53.720 They also supposedly released discs that only a limited number of discs were released. 07:54.260 --> 07:55.020 A certain pattern. 07:55.920 --> 07:56.280 Hmm. 07:56.620 --> 07:59.740 So, you know, those might be worth, oh, like, a whole $10. 08:00.580 --> 08:01.520 Get out of here. 08:01.540 --> 08:01.740 $20. 08:02.080 --> 08:03.540 Oh, man, I am not joking. 08:03.700 --> 08:04.320 Yeah, right. 08:04.320 --> 08:06.740 That stuff is so good, that code is so tight. 08:06.740 --> 08:09.840 Do you want me to send you the AOL 1.0 for the Mac? 08:10.540 --> 08:13.460 Oh, no, no, I don't want to poison my Mac. 08:14.100 --> 08:16.000 It's already poison, it's already in the shop. 08:16.560 --> 08:20.160 Well, how, oh, yeah, yeah, what did you do to your, what did you do to your life? 08:20.160 --> 08:22.920 I didn't do anything, it's never been dropped any farther than six inches. 08:23.360 --> 08:25.580 How many times have you dropped it from six inches? 08:25.660 --> 08:27.860 Oh, I've never, no, no, seriously, never dropped it in my life. 08:27.860 --> 08:47.720 And what happened was, I fired up one day, code is the pearl, talking to Nick online, monitor, if you've ever seen an iBook, you know, LCD screen, monitor, lines start appearing on the screen, starts messing up, box freezes up, I'm screwed, doesn't work anymore, I cry. 08:47.720 --> 08:49.880 I, that was in Florida. 08:50.120 --> 08:55.280 I come home, go to the Apple store, kind man at the Apple store says, three to eight days, they'll be working again. 08:55.400 --> 08:59.540 I'm like, okay, sends it in, hopefully I should have it soon. 09:00.300 --> 09:04.040 Was there, did you wipe your hard drive, get any kind of personal stuff off there? 09:04.040 --> 09:09.080 No, I hadn't, it just died when I tried, it just died before I could do anything about it, so. 09:10.020 --> 09:12.680 See, I hate having to take it back in like that, though. 09:12.840 --> 09:33.200 Yeah, that's going back there, and it was funny, I mean, it's, it's under warranty, it's only like, I think five months, less than five months old, young, and, uh, and so the warranty's cool with that, but they're charging me if they find a problem with the hard drive, or something hard drive related to where they would have to replace the hard drive. 09:34.040 --> 09:34.300 Right. 09:34.380 --> 09:38.780 If they charge, they're going to charge me $50 to copy the contents of the hard drive over. 09:40.020 --> 09:41.880 Do you have any choice or option in that? 09:41.880 --> 09:44.400 I don't have any choice other than having to take it back. 09:44.400 --> 09:47.020 Can you just tell them to, I mean, was there anything on there that you can't? 09:47.040 --> 09:54.760 There's a lot of stuff on there, there's notes on what I've done past four or five months, there's emails, it really doesn't need to come back. 09:55.640 --> 09:58.420 See, that should be part of the service, they should, you know. 09:58.420 --> 09:59.260 It's so funny, it's so stupid. 09:59.940 --> 10:02.600 That's, you know, that's how they get you. 10:02.600 --> 10:04.580 That's how they get me, that's how they're getting me. 10:04.720 --> 10:09.760 That really, that's, that's not cool, that's part of, you know that they're going to have to do that. 10:10.400 --> 10:11.700 They shouldn't charge you, that should be. 10:11.720 --> 10:15.840 I mean, right now, it's probably not, it might just be the screen, so then there's no problem. 10:15.980 --> 10:16.700 Hopefully, but. 10:16.880 --> 10:17.540 Oh, hopefully. 10:17.660 --> 10:23.220 It's like a mechanic, you take it in because you need the oil change, and they start telling you you have 50 other things wrong with it, too. 10:23.220 --> 10:29.520 So, anyway, you know, you mentioned Nick, we got an email from Nick also. 10:31.400 --> 10:38.260 First of all, he said he liked the intro last week's show, which we had a new intro by none other than Blaine and Quister, so thank you for that. 10:38.540 --> 10:42.580 And he said he liked that intro a lot, so did I. 10:42.580 --> 10:57.880 And he enjoyed, I don't know if you listened to last week's show yet, because I know you're out of town, but we had a discussion on advertising and whether it could be or should be or ever will be acceptable, like on, for example, our sites or a hacking site or something like that. 10:57.880 --> 11:05.960 So, I had a good discussion about that, and he enjoyed that a lot, and he made a good point in his email that I had not thought about. 11:06.060 --> 11:13.880 One other thing we talked about last week was the spam filters and how they work and why they do and do not work and the problems with them. 11:14.520 --> 11:24.040 And one of the problems was the number of false positives, and that is the number of messages that get flagged as spam and deleted when they actually weren't. 11:24.040 --> 11:28.280 And that's the biggest and most dangerous problem is people not getting valid, legitimate email. 11:28.780 --> 11:32.800 Well, he pointed out that, frankly, that happens with snail mail. 11:32.960 --> 11:38.640 That happens with the post office or the, what do they call it, the royal post or whatever over there? 11:39.000 --> 11:45.560 That happens with the post office with snail mail anyway, so, you know, I don't know what the ratio would be. 11:45.560 --> 11:54.100 He showed me some statistics, but it was kind of hard to adjust them to see how many per day or out of how many thousand, how many get lost. 11:54.300 --> 11:58.260 But, yeah, I mean, that's not really a problem only with computers. 11:58.460 --> 11:59.700 So, we didn't mention that on the air. 11:59.720 --> 12:01.240 I thought that was a very good point, so. 12:01.520 --> 12:03.240 Well, I didn't listen to last week's show yet. 12:03.800 --> 12:06.180 But recently, this is kind of weird. 12:06.340 --> 12:10.360 Now, I don't know, everyone's getting pissed, but I've seen, because I subscribe to a lot of lists. 12:10.360 --> 12:17.400 I subscribe to, like, Yahoo Group, SubradioList, we got RootSecure, we got all these lists that I subscribe to. 12:17.440 --> 12:19.560 And I get, like, about 40 emails a day. 12:20.140 --> 12:22.700 And I'm finding a lot less spam than I usually get. 12:23.700 --> 12:27.240 I usually get, like, 80 a day, and then half of it was spam. 12:27.360 --> 12:30.280 But now I'm really getting, basically, my list of maybe a couple messages. 12:30.640 --> 12:32.920 Yeah, you know, I actually agree with that. 12:33.880 --> 12:36.420 My Hotmail account, and I have Yahoo account. 12:36.420 --> 12:43.640 My work account, I've explained before, they had to take the filter off because people complained about not getting mail, a.k.a. false positives. 12:44.080 --> 12:50.200 But on the web, when they announced, and I know, again, you're right, people may not like to hear this. 12:50.360 --> 12:57.860 But when they announced Microsoft and Yahoo and I think AOL even were getting together to work together on a new filtering system and stuff like that, 12:58.300 --> 13:01.560 ever since then, I honestly have noticed a drop in spam. 13:01.680 --> 13:04.320 Or at least I see it filtered better. 13:04.320 --> 13:10.880 Stuff that used to come straight to my inbox will now automatically get put into the junk mail folder a lot better than it used to. 13:11.100 --> 13:11.680 They get that a lot. 13:11.920 --> 13:12.720 The other thing is funny. 13:13.140 --> 13:14.020 I have Comcast. 13:14.500 --> 13:15.700 My main is Comcast. 13:16.520 --> 13:21.940 So they're either doing some really tight filtering or it's just that they're not keeping up. 13:23.040 --> 13:24.880 These spam guys aren't sending it out. 13:25.540 --> 13:26.540 Well, I guess it could be... 13:26.540 --> 13:26.800 I don't know. 13:26.980 --> 13:28.820 That's kind of like the end of the world. 13:29.720 --> 13:30.860 Spam's not coming to your door. 13:30.920 --> 13:31.640 It's like the third thing. 13:31.940 --> 13:33.040 Death tax is a spam. 13:33.040 --> 13:37.400 Well, that was one of the topics we mentioned last week, too, was is it possible? 13:37.600 --> 13:47.000 Is it naive to think that if people stop responding to spam, spammers will stop sending spam because they have no response rate. 13:47.080 --> 13:47.640 They'll slow down. 13:47.720 --> 13:48.040 They'll stop. 13:48.200 --> 13:50.680 I mean, I still don't think that's... 13:50.680 --> 13:51.500 I think it's a fluke. 13:51.540 --> 13:54.480 I think it's just we're on a downtime or it's being filtered a little bit better. 13:54.480 --> 14:00.240 I don't think spammers have stopped or dropped off the face of the earth because I think they're still getting that message about it. 14:00.240 --> 14:01.760 It's not always about click-throughs. 14:02.080 --> 14:02.960 It's about views. 14:03.180 --> 14:12.520 You know, there's two ways that they measure advertising where you actually click through and generate that link, generate that click, generate that visit, or just getting screen time and eye time. 14:12.520 --> 14:17.020 They get paid for every thousand that gets sent out regardless on anybody clicking on them or not. 14:17.020 --> 14:25.860 So, you know, just mass spamming, mass mailing this stuff out, even if there's no click-throughs or anything on them, it's still getting the message for the product out there. 14:26.220 --> 14:30.240 So, you know, it's going to be around for a long time. 14:32.340 --> 14:34.820 You mentioned that you were in Florida. 14:35.520 --> 14:41.320 Now, why on earth would you come down to my neck of the woods? 14:41.680 --> 14:42.680 To visit, you stink. 14:42.900 --> 14:43.620 To visit me? 14:44.020 --> 14:44.420 Yeah. 14:44.420 --> 14:52.940 Well, actually, that is the reason that you weren't on the show last week because on your way down through here, we did meet up in real life, didn't we? 14:53.060 --> 14:53.620 Yes, we did. 14:53.760 --> 14:55.820 At Universal Studios Florida. 14:56.740 --> 14:59.120 So, I have seen the Winter Mutant in real life. 14:59.660 --> 15:02.340 And let me tell you, I will never be the same. 15:04.640 --> 15:12.340 Yeah, we met up at Universal Studios and Mutant went on about his other things and I came back and recorded with Duel. 15:12.340 --> 15:16.340 But, yeah, we spent, was it Saturday or Sunday? 15:16.520 --> 15:17.200 Yeah, it was Saturday. 15:17.440 --> 15:18.020 Most of the day. 15:18.140 --> 15:19.980 Yeah, we spent Saturday at Universal Studios. 15:20.980 --> 15:27.500 And, oh, just for the record, who owns, who absolutely owns the Men in Black ride? 15:27.820 --> 15:29.000 Oh, well, wait a minute. 15:29.140 --> 15:29.800 Now, come on. 15:29.880 --> 15:32.040 You only own it because you know all the tricks. 15:32.040 --> 15:39.380 Well, everyone else will know the tricks soon because I'm writing an article on how to own Universal Studios. 15:39.540 --> 15:41.080 But, we'll save that for the article. 15:41.260 --> 15:44.420 But, just for the record, I own Jew. 15:44.760 --> 15:46.500 Wait, who had the least score, though? 15:47.540 --> 15:48.500 I don't know. 15:48.560 --> 15:49.320 Who did have the least score? 15:49.360 --> 15:50.120 Probably my sister. 15:50.420 --> 15:50.540 Yeah. 15:50.540 --> 15:52.660 No, no, actually, she had. 15:52.960 --> 15:54.500 She had almost as good as I did. 15:54.540 --> 15:55.760 She just didn't know some of the tricks. 15:55.940 --> 15:56.120 Yeah. 15:56.700 --> 15:57.700 Yeah, she did pretty good. 15:57.800 --> 16:00.680 I would have had you if I just did that last thing. 16:01.280 --> 16:02.740 That last hundred, hundred thousand. 16:02.740 --> 16:05.080 No, you were still way, way up. 16:05.080 --> 16:05.840 Oh, no, I wasn't. 16:05.900 --> 16:06.820 Oh, yes, you were. 16:06.840 --> 16:07.680 The thing I would have owned. 16:07.860 --> 16:08.680 Yes, you were. 16:08.680 --> 16:15.980 And, actually, we had a little fun adventure on our way out of that, talking to the chicks 16:15.980 --> 16:18.580 or at the register on the way out. 16:18.640 --> 16:19.500 Easy, bastard. 16:19.680 --> 16:25.660 That is one of those rides where they take your picture while you're on it, and they actually 16:25.660 --> 16:27.660 print your score on the picture, which is kind of cool. 16:27.940 --> 16:28.200 Our scores. 16:28.460 --> 16:31.440 I know, because they screwed up our score. 16:31.520 --> 16:32.600 See, I can't even prove it. 16:33.000 --> 16:34.600 I can't even prove that I had the highest score. 16:34.680 --> 16:35.780 Technically, you can deny it. 16:35.820 --> 16:36.880 No one will ever know the difference. 16:36.880 --> 16:41.020 So, our scores came at all zero due to a technical glitch. 16:42.180 --> 16:42.920 But, um, I went over. 16:42.920 --> 16:43.880 It's a glitch to our advantage. 16:44.580 --> 16:48.840 Well, we went over there and confronted the young lady about, you know, actually, we probably 16:48.840 --> 16:52.200 easily could have gotten back on for another free ride without having to wait in line. 16:52.340 --> 16:54.840 But, you know, it went pretty quick anyway. 16:55.060 --> 16:57.260 So, and it was pretty much towards the end of the day. 16:57.300 --> 16:58.440 We had to run over to get T3. 16:58.640 --> 17:00.000 So, didn't have time. 17:00.300 --> 17:06.020 But, yeah, sit over there and started talking to the chicks or and looking through their computer 17:06.020 --> 17:07.920 where they keep all the pictures, which was kind of cool. 17:08.320 --> 17:09.680 Got some good information from her. 17:09.820 --> 17:13.680 Social engineering is very, very, very easy to do there. 17:13.760 --> 17:16.240 These people are sitting behind a register all day. 17:16.900 --> 17:21.280 The only talking they do to people is, you know, can I ring that up for you or, you know, 17:21.300 --> 17:21.800 your prices. 17:22.420 --> 17:23.980 So, they're just dying. 17:24.080 --> 17:25.100 They love to talk to anybody. 17:25.100 --> 17:28.560 So, lots of opportunities for social engineering there. 17:29.340 --> 17:31.020 And, yeah, we went on to see T3. 17:31.360 --> 17:34.280 Now, I think you mentioned, I don't know if you mentioned on the show or if you told me 17:34.280 --> 17:37.620 offline that you saw T3 in the movie theaters. 17:37.800 --> 17:45.720 Or you saw, you saw, now, the reason I haven't seen T3 yet is because T3D in Universal Studios, 17:45.840 --> 17:48.900 Florida is the bomb diggy. 17:48.900 --> 17:53.060 It's the mad, runny shit, dude. 17:53.180 --> 17:59.100 That ride, that show, whatever you want to call it, is so badass that I don't see how 17:59.100 --> 18:00.300 you could improve or get better. 18:00.420 --> 18:04.500 So, to me, I'm calling that T3 and I'm calling it a trilogy and I'm done. 18:04.640 --> 18:06.380 I don't need to see T3 in the movie theaters. 18:06.580 --> 18:07.280 I would have to agree. 18:07.400 --> 18:09.100 But, I mean, I just had to see the movie. 18:09.820 --> 18:11.040 It's another weird thing. 18:11.140 --> 18:14.640 It's like I got computers, I got music, and I just see movies all the time. 18:15.260 --> 18:16.680 And, you know, that's what I do. 18:16.760 --> 18:18.100 So, I thought, all right, they're right. 18:18.100 --> 18:22.560 When I first saw the ride, when it came out, when the ride started, it was brand spanking 18:22.560 --> 18:22.800 new. 18:23.080 --> 18:25.740 I thought, damn, this is cool. 18:26.620 --> 18:27.740 Then, then I see the movie. 18:27.960 --> 18:31.060 And, you got to remember, okay, fine, the movie isn't all it's correct up to be. 18:31.280 --> 18:33.560 Because, first of all, it's not James Cameron. 18:34.360 --> 18:35.400 It's a different director. 18:35.960 --> 18:37.260 So, there, he loses a point. 18:38.020 --> 18:40.620 But, it is Stan Winston, the guy that does all the makeup and stuff. 18:40.680 --> 18:44.220 So, you know, he keeps, they keep some, some, some of the goodness. 18:45.020 --> 18:47.620 You know, there's, I mean, it's, I would say it's a good movie. 18:47.620 --> 18:48.680 It's good for what it is. 18:49.280 --> 18:54.140 I would have liked to see Cameron come back and do his, his magic for a third one. 18:54.760 --> 18:55.780 But, it's still a good movie. 18:55.900 --> 19:00.100 There's, it's, it's not as, it doesn't have the same tone as the others, as the others 19:00.100 --> 19:00.320 do. 19:00.740 --> 19:01.540 It's more funny. 19:01.960 --> 19:03.180 But, still a good movie. 19:03.640 --> 19:06.380 But, if you, I know Stank, he's addicted to that ride. 19:06.380 --> 19:12.500 So, don't, don't, don't, don't wake up with the movie if you love it so much. 19:12.600 --> 19:14.580 Yeah, that, that's really the only reason to go. 19:14.780 --> 19:19.860 And, anybody who's never been, Universal Studios Florida is right next to Islands of Adventure. 19:19.980 --> 19:20.920 They're both together. 19:21.140 --> 19:21.300 Yeah. 19:21.500 --> 19:23.520 You know, you can walk right out of one and go to the other. 19:23.700 --> 19:25.440 You know what other attraction you're going to go see? 19:25.740 --> 19:26.160 What's that? 19:26.260 --> 19:27.100 You're going to go see Stank. 19:27.100 --> 19:30.460 Oh, well, hey, I'd be glad I have season pass. 19:30.540 --> 19:31.720 I'd be glad to come up there and meet you. 19:31.760 --> 19:34.000 If you guys want to meet up there, anytime. 19:34.360 --> 19:38.340 It's not too, well, it's, it's a pretty good trip for me, but it's not all that bad. 19:38.980 --> 19:40.660 So, I go up there a few times a year anyway. 19:40.800 --> 19:41.580 So, yeah, absolutely. 19:41.700 --> 19:45.220 I'd love to meet somebody up there if they're down in this neighborhood or if they want to 19:45.220 --> 19:46.860 be down here on vacation, something like that. 19:47.000 --> 19:47.660 Do you think Stank? 19:47.660 --> 19:47.900 Hook up. 19:49.340 --> 19:53.920 But, Universal Studios, really the only reason I go there is for, well, actually, the reason 19:53.920 --> 19:56.800 I went this time was because I wanted to see if they had that new Shrek ride. 19:57.300 --> 20:01.580 And, of course, see, they tried to social engineer us. 20:01.640 --> 20:02.380 Did you catch that? 20:02.800 --> 20:08.480 When you go up there and ask them how long the wait is, they get, what do they say, 135 20:08.480 --> 20:09.340 minutes. 20:09.580 --> 20:09.780 Yeah. 20:10.020 --> 20:12.060 No, don't, don't try to bullshit with me. 20:12.120 --> 20:13.540 That's two hours and 15 minutes. 20:13.640 --> 20:15.340 Don't try to come give me some bullshit. 20:15.540 --> 20:18.940 Don't try to social engineer me, make it sound like it's less than it really is. 20:18.940 --> 20:20.440 Oh, he's only so many minutes. 20:20.460 --> 20:21.380 It's only so many minutes. 20:21.480 --> 20:23.720 No, that's, that shit's over two hours. 20:23.860 --> 20:24.500 That's a movie. 20:24.820 --> 20:26.440 Dude, I, no, forget about it. 20:26.440 --> 20:28.520 So we, I ended up not riding that. 20:28.620 --> 20:29.000 So I said, not. 20:29.000 --> 20:30.240 What, like a 10 minute, how long is Shrek? 20:30.500 --> 20:31.160 I don't know. 20:31.280 --> 20:33.200 It's supposed to be like a 3D interactive thing. 20:33.260 --> 20:34.100 It may be like T3. 20:34.100 --> 20:35.000 That's all, they've got to clean this up. 20:35.040 --> 20:36.100 It's like TCPIP. 20:36.440 --> 20:37.340 It's all this handshaking. 20:37.980 --> 20:40.900 You get, like, so much overhead for so little. 20:41.080 --> 20:41.360 Yeah. 20:41.820 --> 20:42.500 Go UDP. 20:43.700 --> 20:43.980 You know. 20:43.980 --> 20:44.940 It's like a UDP ride. 20:45.200 --> 20:46.020 Just like Twister. 20:46.020 --> 20:46.780 Next to the protocols. 20:47.400 --> 20:48.900 Like that damn Twister ride. 20:49.220 --> 20:51.020 Damn, that, that was bullshit. 20:51.760 --> 20:53.160 Dude, I was so mad. 20:53.240 --> 20:53.800 Oh, man. 20:54.000 --> 20:54.560 The water. 20:54.680 --> 20:55.120 Now, people. 20:55.440 --> 20:55.940 Don't, don't. 20:56.040 --> 20:56.940 We're going off this rant here. 20:56.940 --> 20:58.680 Are you going to ruin, are we going to ruin the ride, though? 20:58.800 --> 20:58.980 Sure. 20:59.060 --> 20:59.440 No, no, no. 20:59.440 --> 21:00.000 We have to. 21:00.060 --> 21:01.200 We have to warn people. 21:01.400 --> 21:01.720 Yeah. 21:01.880 --> 21:02.800 Okay, good movie. 21:03.400 --> 21:04.880 There's, I won't, this movie. 21:04.880 --> 21:07.460 Well, I'm going to disagree with you on the good movie part, but you go ahead. 21:07.540 --> 21:07.980 Okay, fine. 21:07.980 --> 21:10.320 I can watch the Weather Channel if I want to see Twisters. 21:10.460 --> 21:11.140 That's, you know. 21:11.480 --> 21:12.280 The ride. 21:12.440 --> 21:13.320 Okay, I've been on the ride before. 21:13.400 --> 21:13.960 It's cool. 21:14.220 --> 21:15.140 You know, stuff happens. 21:15.440 --> 21:18.340 They build a, quote, unquote, tornado right in the building. 21:18.700 --> 21:20.240 No, it says you'll get wet. 21:20.560 --> 21:24.240 No, I assume it's because I've ridden the ride once before that, you know, a little sprinkle. 21:24.560 --> 21:30.220 No, as I was about to pull my camera out to take a picture of Sting, as I pulled my camera out, 21:31.100 --> 21:36.560 the windows, the windows will break behind us, and water all over us. 21:36.560 --> 21:37.600 Dude, it wasn't Twister. 21:37.600 --> 21:39.480 It was like a fucking tornado or something. 21:39.580 --> 21:41.220 It was like deep impact. 21:41.220 --> 21:44.020 I'm like, damn, did they have to spray water on me? 21:44.140 --> 21:44.980 I was pissed. 21:45.280 --> 21:46.320 You were both. 21:46.480 --> 21:49.840 I was, I was so, like, two seconds away since taking my camera out. 21:50.340 --> 21:51.140 I was pissed. 21:51.160 --> 21:53.120 I hate getting wet in parks. 21:53.180 --> 21:57.700 Unless I'm planning to ride water all day, I hate riding water rides in an amusement park 21:57.700 --> 22:01.340 because then I've got to walk around all squishy and my shoes are wet and my wallet's wet 22:01.340 --> 22:03.060 and I hate getting wet. 22:03.180 --> 22:05.780 And they, first thing, that was our first ride we rode, wasn't it? 22:05.880 --> 22:06.100 Yep. 22:06.360 --> 22:07.320 Fuck my whole day up. 22:07.320 --> 22:08.800 Ah, damn it, I used the F word. 22:09.120 --> 22:10.140 Messed my whole day up. 22:12.700 --> 22:14.320 But actually, it was really fun. 22:14.780 --> 22:18.540 Lines weren't too bad because, you know, we had some other tricks and some other things to do 22:18.540 --> 22:21.760 and saw some pay phones. 22:21.760 --> 22:28.120 Well, anyway, there's going to be a good, I actually started writing the article before we went on the air. 22:28.540 --> 22:31.760 So, hopefully this article will be done soon and have a lot of good information. 22:31.760 --> 22:43.200 Speaking of articles, I sent in, finally, my submission, my little tiny bit of input to Project Walmart Freedom. 22:43.760 --> 22:49.320 So, I sent in some information from my local super-duper deluxe monster store and to Duel. 22:49.320 --> 22:51.360 So, that's still coming along. 22:52.000 --> 22:53.380 Have you sent anything in for that? 22:53.640 --> 22:54.080 Not really. 22:54.260 --> 22:55.260 I'll do it more than anything. 22:55.600 --> 22:55.800 Yeah. 22:55.800 --> 23:01.120 And this past weekend was the 2600 meetings. 23:01.340 --> 23:03.820 Did you, let's see, you couldn't, obviously you couldn't go because you weren't. 23:03.820 --> 23:09.680 It always pissed me off because, first of all, I could have because where I was staying, they used to have a meeting. 23:10.280 --> 23:13.560 But I guess people kind of dozed off and decided not to show up. 23:13.940 --> 23:16.300 And as I look at the 2600, it's no longer there. 23:16.520 --> 23:17.480 So, I was really pissed. 23:17.940 --> 23:18.100 Hmm. 23:19.000 --> 23:19.660 And that stinks. 23:20.060 --> 23:20.340 Wow. 23:20.660 --> 23:24.920 And being that it was just a visiting situation, it's not like you can start it up again or anything. 23:24.920 --> 23:25.180 Yeah, no. 23:25.240 --> 23:28.560 So, I was angry because I was going to, I was actually trying to find people. 23:29.080 --> 23:30.520 I was actually a kid eat. 23:31.000 --> 23:33.200 He hasn't been around in a while, but I was going to meet up with him. 23:33.240 --> 23:33.740 But he was busy. 23:33.740 --> 23:34.880 He was actually going to DEFCON. 23:35.580 --> 23:37.100 So, I was wondering how that went. 23:37.240 --> 23:38.240 Did you hear anything about DEFCON? 23:38.360 --> 23:39.340 I have not yet. 23:39.340 --> 23:43.120 Actually, a friend of mine called the house and I was out. 23:43.300 --> 23:44.720 I don't know why he didn't call my cell phone. 23:45.600 --> 23:49.760 A friend of mine just moved and I have not gotten his new phone number. 23:50.380 --> 23:54.640 So, he calls me and leaves a message bitching about how I don't return his phone calls. 23:54.700 --> 23:58.500 And I'm like, asshole, leave me a number and then maybe I'll call you back. 23:58.780 --> 23:59.700 So, he calls me. 23:59.760 --> 24:00.660 He says, I'm at DEFCON. 24:00.720 --> 24:01.460 Ha ha, you're not. 24:02.040 --> 24:03.580 And he didn't give me a number to get back to him. 24:03.620 --> 24:05.680 So, I was hoping to call and touch base with him and see how it went. 24:05.820 --> 24:07.800 But, no, I have not heard anything. 24:07.800 --> 24:10.280 I know Epiphany was going. 24:10.580 --> 24:12.200 I think not Theory was going. 24:12.300 --> 24:12.840 Some other people. 24:12.960 --> 24:15.760 And I haven't had the opportunity to talk to them yet. 24:15.960 --> 24:20.200 So, hopefully by next show we'll have some more information. 24:20.300 --> 24:21.200 We'll be able to talk about it. 24:21.220 --> 24:22.180 Maybe have some guests on. 24:22.180 --> 24:25.220 I did go to my 2600 meeting. 24:26.800 --> 24:29.500 Last month kind of was really screwed up because of the holiday. 24:29.740 --> 24:31.160 So, I didn't make last month's meeting. 24:32.940 --> 24:35.060 But, this time we went and it was fun. 24:35.140 --> 24:36.900 We saw a couple new people. 24:37.020 --> 24:38.240 A couple of the same old people. 24:39.600 --> 24:42.040 It was a good average meeting. 24:42.200 --> 24:44.320 Good what I was expecting for the most part. 24:44.320 --> 24:48.400 We were talking about some things. 24:48.640 --> 24:55.420 And just on a fluke, just for the hell of it, I thought I'd fire up my laptop and see if there were any access points yet. 24:55.940 --> 24:59.940 Because in my, in the mall near where I work, they just opened a Mac store. 25:00.320 --> 25:03.680 And I know Mac has wireless within their store. 25:04.100 --> 25:07.340 And I've been social engineering trying to see how it works and get some information about it. 25:07.680 --> 25:12.080 So, I thought just for the hell of it, I didn't, the mall that this meeting is at, I'm not familiar with. 25:12.120 --> 25:13.000 I didn't know if they'd have one. 25:13.080 --> 25:15.300 So, I thought I'd fire up and see if I could find an access point. 25:15.800 --> 25:18.880 And sure enough, I did find some access points. 25:19.040 --> 25:20.720 And we had no idea where they were from. 25:21.040 --> 25:22.900 There was no Mac store, as it turns out. 25:23.460 --> 25:28.320 But, since we did see this couple access points, we decided to do a little war walking. 25:28.920 --> 25:33.380 So, we're walking through the mall with our laptops in our arm like total uber geeks. 25:33.880 --> 25:36.460 Trying to zone in on where the signal's coming from. 25:36.660 --> 25:40.820 So, basically, and then it was coming from a couple of the bigger department stores. 25:42.120 --> 25:44.760 The one that I picked up originally, though, was very interesting. 25:44.900 --> 25:47.180 It was actually from some type of service provider. 25:48.180 --> 25:52.460 And I could get a DHCP address assigned to me, no problems. 25:52.700 --> 25:56.640 But when I try to go anywhere, it tries to route me through a proxy. 25:57.560 --> 26:00.660 And wants me to give it a username and password to log in and get through. 26:00.660 --> 26:08.660 So, that's more like a symbol or an indication that there is a pay-for-use wireless or something going on. 26:08.860 --> 26:15.220 That rerouting, I found, becoming more popular than webbing your stuff. 26:16.220 --> 26:25.360 That way of not having a web, not encrypting your traffic, but making sure people go in and username and password, 26:25.360 --> 26:26.520 it's a lot more popular. 26:26.700 --> 26:34.120 But as everyone knows, I bet every time that it comes up, you can max spoof, you can can with your card, and you're in. 26:34.120 --> 26:40.160 Yeah, the most bigger companies, you know, you want as much as you can get. 26:40.260 --> 26:42.140 You want web and password, you know. 26:42.220 --> 26:44.520 But you definitely want to have some type of authentication. 26:45.340 --> 26:47.020 I wouldn't say use one over the other. 26:47.100 --> 26:47.840 I'd say use both. 26:48.260 --> 26:53.340 But the thing is, it does get kind of silly with, well, it depends. 26:53.500 --> 26:55.780 Again, I don't know what this company was or how they were set up. 26:56.120 --> 26:59.800 But if it's only one username and password, if it's like, for example, the Mac store, 26:59.840 --> 27:03.840 and they use the same username and password for all the systems, that's kind of dumb. 27:03.940 --> 27:07.500 I mean, you might as well just use the web encryption, even though they can be encrypted. 27:07.920 --> 27:08.860 Again, use both. 27:08.860 --> 27:14.820 But, you know, having a username and password that's not unique, you don't have one for each system or for each computer 27:14.820 --> 27:17.680 assigned for each user, then it's kind of redundant. 27:17.780 --> 27:20.120 Once you get one, you've got in the whole thing. 27:20.320 --> 27:25.380 So, that's a little, I don't know, a little wasted, I guess, a little silly. 27:26.100 --> 27:30.000 So, anyway, that's probably, we'll probably follow up on that next month, see if they're still there. 27:30.140 --> 27:33.620 I wrote down the name of the ISP and some other information. 27:33.740 --> 27:38.220 I can do some research on it, hopefully, by next month and see if we can go back and hack through that. 27:39.800 --> 27:41.740 New 2600 Magazine came out, too. 27:42.400 --> 27:48.240 It's, you know, it's kind of weird how the time frame in which people get this 27:48.240 --> 27:54.160 because normally I read about everybody getting their copy online, and I'm like the last person to get it. 27:54.160 --> 27:59.760 And this person, this time I actually got mine quickly, and a lot of other people were behind getting it. 27:59.840 --> 28:04.020 So, I don't know what's, how they distribute or how that gets sent out. 28:04.100 --> 28:08.160 Maybe it's the mail, you know, maybe it's the post office or whatever is slowing stuff down. 28:08.160 --> 28:10.200 It could be, I guess. 28:10.300 --> 28:11.400 Maybe it's, I don't know. 28:11.400 --> 28:20.600 I mean, alphabetical and mine gets delivered to stank dog, so S at the bottom of the stack or D at the top of the stack. 28:20.660 --> 28:20.980 Who knows? 28:20.980 --> 28:28.300 But I got, I was one of the only people with mine at the 2600 meeting, which I thought was surprising. 28:28.720 --> 28:34.080 So, the 2600 this month, you've got yours, right? 28:34.180 --> 28:34.760 I got mine, yeah. 28:34.760 --> 28:38.480 And I haven't read it completely, but I finally skimmed most of it last night. 28:38.920 --> 28:42.300 Read a few of the articles that really piqued my interest in the letters and stuff. 28:42.900 --> 28:45.760 Visually, I think it was much, much improved this time. 28:45.840 --> 28:54.820 There was a huge increase in graphics and screenshots and things like that that helped enhance the articles, which I liked a lot. 28:54.900 --> 28:55.800 I thought that was pretty good. 28:57.520 --> 29:03.680 And, shout out to Epiphany and Johnny Lightning had a great, great article on McDonald's Wireless. 29:03.680 --> 29:07.780 So, that was a very good article and very well written. 29:08.240 --> 29:12.520 Had some, again, some graphics in that of what the cards looked like and stuff like that. 29:13.020 --> 29:15.260 And, and gave us some shouts at the end of it. 29:15.300 --> 29:17.160 So, that's definitely, definitely happy about that. 29:17.220 --> 29:17.820 That was very cool. 29:18.240 --> 29:21.100 What, I don't quite understand the cover, to be honest with you. 29:21.120 --> 29:24.200 I mean, is that just some, you know, giant mangle of wires? 29:24.320 --> 29:29.580 Is that just kind of a funny look at all the wires going into this broken telephone hack job or what? 29:29.580 --> 29:30.140 I don't know. 29:30.220 --> 29:30.800 It's just weird. 29:30.920 --> 29:37.660 It looked like there was a main pole and they're too lazy to take everything off the old poles. 29:37.780 --> 29:38.980 So, they just slapped it up there. 29:39.120 --> 29:40.240 Yeah, that's kind of what I thought. 29:40.320 --> 29:42.820 But, I didn't know if I'm missing being not a big time freak. 29:42.920 --> 29:44.500 I thought maybe I was missing an inside joke. 29:44.520 --> 29:44.640 There was something. 29:44.800 --> 29:45.960 Now, I don't know. 29:46.260 --> 29:52.380 Now, if someone has a 20-100, they always hide something on the list of articles page. 29:53.000 --> 29:54.200 There's something on there. 29:55.040 --> 29:57.700 Now, I don't want to, I don't want to go off for five minutes and try and explain it. 29:57.760 --> 29:58.720 But, there is something on there. 29:58.780 --> 29:59.580 Now, I can't read it. 29:59.660 --> 30:00.340 Someone else can. 30:00.840 --> 30:01.920 Do talk about it on the board. 30:02.560 --> 30:03.780 Oh, I didn't, you know what? 30:03.780 --> 30:05.000 I didn't even look for it yet. 30:05.600 --> 30:06.780 Yeah, I usually find it. 30:06.800 --> 30:07.700 But, I didn't see it this time. 30:07.920 --> 30:09.600 It didn't catch my eye immediately anyway. 30:09.920 --> 30:11.120 It's not as profound. 30:11.260 --> 30:12.240 It is there, I think. 30:12.980 --> 30:13.900 Maybe it's my eyes. 30:13.980 --> 30:15.180 Maybe, you know, I'm really getting old. 30:15.380 --> 30:16.340 I turn 18 soon. 30:16.720 --> 30:18.280 You know, I'm getting out there. 30:19.080 --> 30:20.340 So, I mean, we don't know. 30:20.820 --> 30:23.080 If someone can find it, you know, to help do post it. 30:23.080 --> 30:26.420 And, that's what I was wondering about the cover. 30:26.520 --> 30:28.140 Am I missing some secret there also? 30:28.380 --> 30:29.540 There's, I don't know. 30:29.740 --> 30:29.880 Yeah. 30:30.640 --> 30:31.040 Oh, well. 30:32.800 --> 30:35.400 Oh, and they also, they had an ad for BinRev in the back. 30:35.900 --> 30:38.020 We got our ad into the back of 2600. 30:38.120 --> 30:43.560 So, hopefully, some people will come by and check out BinRev, Binary Revolution Magazine. 30:44.120 --> 30:47.180 Issue 1.2 should be coming out soon. 30:47.180 --> 30:50.520 The meetings kind of threw us back a little bit. 30:50.720 --> 30:57.000 And, we released on about the, I think, the first or second weekend last time. 30:57.060 --> 30:58.340 Just barely in time for the meeting. 30:58.460 --> 31:00.540 So, we're actually, we're on schedule fine. 31:01.400 --> 31:02.660 So, that should be coming out. 31:02.700 --> 31:07.180 And, as soon as it is, we'll post it on the forums and on the BinRev.com. 31:09.400 --> 31:12.400 Oh, there was, oh, there were some letters in there that I thought were interesting. 31:12.800 --> 31:14.760 You know, it's kind of weird. 31:14.760 --> 31:18.000 I wrote, you know, I wrote an article called The History of Elite Speak. 31:18.940 --> 31:23.240 And, it's one of those articles that people love it or people hate it. 31:23.800 --> 31:27.760 So, I've seen, you know, I've seen some hating going on about that article. 31:27.860 --> 31:31.840 But, then again, somebody writes in a letter to this at 2600 saying that they liked it. 31:32.220 --> 31:34.780 So, I guess, you know, it takes all kinds. 31:34.880 --> 31:35.520 Some people like it. 31:35.540 --> 31:36.060 Some people aren't. 31:38.000 --> 31:39.180 You know, there's not enough. 31:40.480 --> 31:42.200 It wasn't a technical article. 31:43.000 --> 31:45.380 So, a lot of people want to see more technical stuff. 31:45.460 --> 31:46.680 So, I understand that part of it. 31:46.940 --> 31:49.500 But, I send in some tech stuff to them that they don't use. 31:49.560 --> 31:52.820 So, I don't really know how they choose which articles they want. 31:52.880 --> 31:54.940 I really don't know what their thought process is. 31:55.600 --> 31:59.500 So, it was good that somebody wrote in a letter saying that they liked the article. 31:59.700 --> 32:01.020 So, I guess that's good. 32:01.020 --> 32:09.360 But, again, like I said, I've seen some posts in a forum the other day that I won't mention that was basically saying they didn't like the Elite Speak article. 32:09.460 --> 32:10.080 What was that about? 32:10.220 --> 32:13.040 Well, you know, what do you want me to tell you? 32:13.140 --> 32:15.020 There was, try one of my other articles. 32:15.140 --> 32:17.880 Try some of the articles in StankDawg.com. 32:18.200 --> 32:20.900 Try BinRev.com and order the magazine. 32:21.220 --> 32:22.160 Maybe you'll find something there. 32:22.220 --> 32:22.740 Better you like. 32:23.340 --> 32:28.440 But, in general, there's really a lot of elitism going on lately. 32:28.580 --> 32:31.420 There's really a lot of hating going on. 32:31.740 --> 32:34.480 And, our forum is actually pretty good. 32:34.560 --> 32:37.380 I'm very happy that people are very self-controlled. 32:37.700 --> 32:40.040 They're not too arrogant with a couple exceptions. 32:40.260 --> 32:41.720 For the most part, they stay in line. 32:41.720 --> 32:45.480 Everybody gets the vibe of community and helping out and participating. 32:46.400 --> 32:53.240 But, I see a lot of people, like, splitting off and starting their own forums and starting their own zines and stuff like that. 32:53.460 --> 32:54.300 That's all great. 32:54.820 --> 32:56.140 I like that and support that. 32:56.300 --> 33:01.400 But, you're fracturing and dividing the community. 33:02.480 --> 33:02.780 You know? 33:02.860 --> 33:06.620 If you want to make another zine and stuff like that, every time somebody has it, we pimp it on the show. 33:06.720 --> 33:07.600 We pimp it on the site. 33:07.960 --> 33:08.700 Go check it out. 33:08.780 --> 33:10.320 I order copies of that kind of stuff. 33:10.320 --> 33:17.620 But, I see people making forums just because they want to be in charge or they want to be the big dog. 33:17.760 --> 33:17.880 You know? 33:17.980 --> 33:22.840 They didn't like this other forum, so they're going to come over here and bash a certain person. 33:23.160 --> 33:28.280 And, that's not really the reason to create your own forum or your own site. 33:28.480 --> 33:28.660 You know? 33:30.300 --> 33:33.140 Don't fracture the community, I guess is what I'm saying. 33:33.180 --> 33:34.560 Let's all get together and work together. 33:34.980 --> 33:35.960 United we stand. 33:36.380 --> 33:37.220 Divided we fall. 33:38.160 --> 33:38.500 You know? 33:38.760 --> 33:39.640 Everybody's heard that before. 33:39.760 --> 33:41.020 And, I really believe that's true. 33:41.340 --> 33:45.100 You're going to start splitting off and everybody wants to be their own thing and try to be famous. 33:45.380 --> 33:50.880 And, you know, I want to start my own zine so I can be the next Kevin Mitnick. 33:51.000 --> 33:51.480 And, I want to start. 33:51.900 --> 33:56.140 Well, you know, the way to accomplish things is to work together in my mind. 33:56.200 --> 33:57.860 Maybe I'm on my own here. 33:57.920 --> 33:58.360 I don't know. 33:58.360 --> 34:02.040 But, I'm just saying, you know, work together. 34:02.600 --> 34:03.680 Get that sense of community. 34:03.900 --> 34:05.280 Work with people, not against them. 34:05.340 --> 34:06.320 Don't fight against people. 34:06.320 --> 34:08.960 Just, you know, get on board. 34:09.920 --> 34:13.240 This is, you know, the Binary Revolution is not about me. 34:13.460 --> 34:14.300 It's not about DDP. 34:14.540 --> 34:17.200 It's not about, you know, trying to be elite or trying to be. 34:17.280 --> 34:18.480 This is about a movement. 34:19.420 --> 34:22.840 You know, that's why the name Binary Revolution fits and sticks so well. 34:22.840 --> 34:34.420 It is a revolution, a revolution of hackers coming together, working together to get our points across and to make people understand and see what we're about and how we work. 34:34.420 --> 34:43.000 And, if you're not on board, if you're not, you know, if you don't want to be part of the revolution or you don't believe in the revolution or whatever, get the fuck out of the way. 34:44.280 --> 34:45.340 We are coming through. 34:45.420 --> 34:46.520 We are starting a revolution. 34:46.780 --> 34:48.680 So, don't hate. 34:49.800 --> 34:52.140 You know, you don't want to participate. 34:52.400 --> 34:52.880 That's fine. 34:53.520 --> 34:55.660 Get out of the way and we will move right on through. 34:55.660 --> 34:57.980 But, don't start hating on people. 34:58.140 --> 34:58.980 Don't bash people. 34:59.200 --> 35:00.920 Don't insult something. 35:01.120 --> 35:01.640 Make it better. 35:02.440 --> 35:04.140 You know, you didn't like the Elite Speak article? 35:04.400 --> 35:05.200 Write a better article. 35:06.280 --> 35:06.920 I'll print it. 35:07.320 --> 35:08.360 I'll gladly print it. 35:09.740 --> 35:10.780 So, don't hate. 35:10.900 --> 35:11.380 Participate. 35:11.440 --> 35:12.900 That's the message of this rant. 35:13.220 --> 35:15.020 Stink has become Martin Luther King Jr. 35:15.540 --> 35:16.720 I have a dream. 35:18.280 --> 35:18.640 All right. 35:18.800 --> 35:19.860 Boy, I didn't mean for that. 35:19.900 --> 35:20.780 That turned into a rant. 35:20.780 --> 35:23.500 The little black hats, the little white hats will play along together. 35:23.500 --> 35:26.100 Oh, that was great. 35:27.540 --> 35:28.100 Oh, man. 35:28.140 --> 35:28.520 You made me laugh. 35:28.540 --> 35:30.240 I didn't mean for that to go into a bigger rant. 35:30.280 --> 35:32.260 I started going off on a tangent there. 35:32.320 --> 35:32.680 But, anyway. 35:33.080 --> 35:33.260 Yeah. 35:33.640 --> 35:34.740 Don't play a hate. 35:35.260 --> 35:35.620 Participate. 35:35.720 --> 35:36.460 That's all I'm saying. 35:37.640 --> 35:40.580 Let's go to some tech stuff because, boy, I didn't mean to take that off. 35:40.620 --> 35:42.520 I'm going to get hate mail about how I'm on a soapbox again. 35:42.560 --> 35:43.820 So, let's move on to some tech topics. 35:43.820 --> 35:48.060 The biggest thing this week that I read about was Cisco. 35:48.320 --> 35:49.500 Big Cisco vulnerability. 35:50.380 --> 35:50.860 They have a problem. 35:51.540 --> 35:52.260 You heard about this? 35:52.400 --> 35:53.260 Oh, big time. 35:53.260 --> 35:53.440 Yeah. 35:54.340 --> 35:56.820 This is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket. 35:57.100 --> 36:04.380 You know, when you've got a giant like Cisco or a giant like Microsoft or a giant like whatever in charge of things and you have no alternatives. 36:04.680 --> 36:07.500 When you have a problem, it's very widespread. 36:08.040 --> 36:08.980 It's a huge problem. 36:09.460 --> 36:12.540 And with Cisco, the problem is with their iOS operating system. 36:12.540 --> 36:20.880 It allows denial of service attack by sending maliciously constructed sequence of IPv4 data packets to one of their vulnerable servers. 36:20.880 --> 36:25.820 So, and that's the 7300 series router, catalyst switches, or Aeronet WAPs. 36:25.820 --> 36:27.900 And there's a lot of those. 36:28.220 --> 36:28.920 A lot. 36:29.380 --> 36:30.100 They're everywhere. 36:30.100 --> 36:31.780 Yeah, now there is a patch. 36:32.380 --> 36:36.840 You know, you can, there is a patch for this available, but it's the process of everybody going through and upgrading it. 36:36.840 --> 36:42.080 And the fact that there's so many of them that it's going to take a while before they start fixing all of these things. 36:42.080 --> 36:53.360 But basically what it does is it, you send a specially constructed packet and send it through these routers and it will label an interface as being full. 36:53.540 --> 36:55.560 And it will shut that interface off. 36:56.220 --> 36:59.440 It's kind of a self-defense mechanism built into the hardware. 36:59.860 --> 37:02.220 So it will actually disable the interface. 37:02.220 --> 37:09.240 And by sending that through and disabling each interface, however many there may be, if there's only one, so be it, you will disable the device. 37:09.400 --> 37:19.380 Now, because this is like a self-defense thing, because it's trying to protect itself, trying to recover, it will not, excuse me, it's not trying to recover. 37:19.480 --> 37:21.980 It does not recognize this as a problem. 37:22.360 --> 37:23.960 It doesn't try to auto-recover. 37:24.140 --> 37:25.820 It doesn't try to fix itself. 37:26.000 --> 37:29.100 The only way to fix this is to manually reboot the machine. 37:29.100 --> 37:39.180 So the potential for this is, you know, a lot of IT departments, or pseudo-IT departments, I should say, you know, they work Monday through Friday, 9 to 5. 37:39.220 --> 37:43.000 6 o'clock, you take this thing down and they're gone for the weekend. 37:43.140 --> 37:46.760 They're like, oh, I'll just, you know, I'll just go, you know, I'll go through Tillman and reboot it. 37:46.940 --> 37:49.140 Yeah, wrong answer. 37:50.040 --> 37:54.060 You will drive your sorry, overpaid ass back in there and reboot it. 37:54.280 --> 37:56.860 On the way, you'll go grab your Starbucks and be like, oh, shit. 37:56.860 --> 38:01.240 And then on your way back, it'll probably be down again by the time you get home. 38:01.320 --> 38:04.540 You'll get paged with your little intrusion detection or something. 38:04.640 --> 38:05.800 It'll tell you it's down again. 38:05.900 --> 38:08.020 Fire will be saying, you know, you're fucked up. 38:08.660 --> 38:11.500 You can't put it off till Monday and think, oh, I'll just patch it Monday. 38:11.620 --> 38:13.060 Nope, you're going to be SOL, man. 38:13.240 --> 38:18.360 So, yeah, again, that's a problem with having one giant in charge of all these different things. 38:18.360 --> 38:30.780 When a problem comes along, everybody's affected, and if we don't hold them to some kind of standards, standards of security, et cetera, then, you know, that's one of the big knocks against Microsoft. 38:31.080 --> 38:32.900 And now this doesn't look good for Cisco. 38:33.060 --> 38:37.640 I mean, they've had some vulnerabilities in the past, but this one, you know, this doesn't look good for them. 38:37.640 --> 38:42.020 The problem is it's with their operating system itself, the iOS. 38:42.700 --> 38:44.360 I've heard a lot of people talk crap about it. 38:44.380 --> 38:46.860 The other thing is that they keep it so locked down. 38:46.900 --> 38:47.460 It's like a movie. 38:47.900 --> 38:53.000 It's like Matrix Reloaded or any movie that they keep it so locked down, but you know it's going to get leaked. 38:53.500 --> 38:54.360 That's the problem these days. 38:54.480 --> 39:00.640 A lot of the iOS code, when a big vulnerability, I don't know if this was because someone leaked the code, 39:00.640 --> 39:07.920 but the code is leaked, and then someone does it, that's what open source is so easy because you can just look at the code and then write the vulnerability. 39:08.880 --> 39:14.400 It's a lot worse when somebody comes around like, this goes code that's proprietary, and they mess with that. 39:15.100 --> 39:15.500 Right. 39:17.780 --> 39:22.360 And, you know, again, Microsoft, that's the other name you always say in a situation like this. 39:22.520 --> 39:24.240 You're not going to look at Microsoft's code either. 39:24.460 --> 39:24.640 Yeah. 39:24.840 --> 39:26.800 You know, you're at their mercy to fix things. 39:26.800 --> 39:30.160 So, I guess it goes with the territory. 39:30.360 --> 39:34.300 You have to, you know, have to take the good with the bad if you're going to go in those directions with your hardware. 39:34.660 --> 39:41.520 A lot of the newer, smaller companies that are trying to come up and take a bite out of the market share that Cisco has, 39:42.260 --> 39:47.980 and, well, a lot of hardware, not only Cisco switches routers, stuff like that, but a lot of hardware, 39:48.300 --> 39:54.120 they're having special, customized, watered-down, dedicated versions of Linux and Unix. 39:54.520 --> 39:55.020 Like, oh. 39:55.020 --> 39:58.140 Operating systems driving those devices instead of some proprietary. 39:58.700 --> 40:07.440 One of the, a Linksys 802.11g wireless access point runs Linux. 40:08.580 --> 40:14.220 Its firmware is Linux, and people have actually worked a way, you can actually bring a shell up, a full command line. 40:14.620 --> 40:15.620 You can edit the firmware. 40:15.800 --> 40:16.820 You can edit stuff. 40:17.180 --> 40:21.240 It runs IP tables, which is really cool because that way it's open source. 40:21.240 --> 40:25.240 You can make insurance works, and you can be patched. 40:25.240 --> 40:28.140 You know, you know, you've got to be careful. 40:28.200 --> 40:33.980 At the same time, you have to have the security on that so that somebody doesn't maliciously patch it, you know. 40:34.640 --> 40:38.460 But, yeah, I mean, at least you have options with something like that. 40:38.460 --> 40:47.540 So, and you still have the same support or whatever from the company to fix problems, but you also have the option of possibly figuring out and fixing something yourself. 40:47.860 --> 40:48.000 Yeah. 40:48.080 --> 40:52.320 So, really, it's the same situation as with Cisco, except that it gives you one more option. 40:52.320 --> 40:54.320 So, who doesn't want more options? 40:54.460 --> 40:58.080 You know, it just seems very logical to me to try something like that. 40:59.580 --> 41:08.100 Another, another big topic I read this week was, and this is a topic we've hit on quite a bit lately, last week especially, RFID. 41:08.500 --> 41:13.120 Again, we're going to talk about RFID, but not Walmart this time. 41:13.120 --> 41:20.720 Actually, one of my favorite companies, and I say that very sarcastically, American Express. 41:21.660 --> 41:28.780 American Express is trying RFID as a substitute for credit cards, and it's called Express Pay is what their nickname. 41:29.140 --> 41:30.360 It's like the speed pass. 41:30.500 --> 41:38.260 If any of the listeners have a speed pass that you use at the gas station, you pass your speed pass in there, and it's tied to a credit card number or something like that, 41:38.260 --> 41:41.620 and you can just pass it, fill your car up, and drive off. 41:41.620 --> 41:43.780 You don't have to walk in. It's kind of a time-saving thing. 41:44.460 --> 41:45.800 It's actually a really good idea. 41:45.880 --> 41:47.140 There's nothing wrong with that, per se. 41:48.340 --> 41:54.780 But American Express, A, I don't really trust them, and B, they're not exactly doing it as a speed pass. 41:55.040 --> 42:01.840 They're actually putting it into some fast food restaurants and other retail places where it's, you know, where speed is of the essence. 42:01.980 --> 42:04.600 Not that fast food is ever fast anymore, it seems like. 42:05.800 --> 42:09.360 But, specifically, they're in the Phoenix area. 42:09.360 --> 42:13.100 Dairy Queen, Carl's Jr., whatever that is. 42:13.160 --> 42:17.680 I think Dual Eats has told me they have that before when he visits Phoenix. 42:18.120 --> 42:24.660 Quick copy printing, places like that, the quick, you know, in and out type places are giving you the option to scan your credit card. 42:24.660 --> 42:38.120 So, if anybody in Phoenix area has seen these or can keep an eye out for these, give us some information, I find it very interesting how they work and if they seem, you know, if they seem like a good idea, what you think about it. 42:38.120 --> 42:43.600 But, um, the technology on this, this might mean more to you than it does to me. 42:44.100 --> 42:47.800 Um, it's, this, it's based on a Texas Instruments chipset. 42:47.800 --> 42:51.540 And it runs at 13.56 MHz. 42:52.400 --> 42:53.780 Now, does that, does that sound normal? 42:53.880 --> 42:55.120 Does that sound standard or? 42:55.220 --> 42:56.700 What's going on with this RFID now? 42:57.080 --> 42:59.560 I don't know, have you given, have you guys really talked about the tech of it? 42:59.620 --> 43:01.060 Not, not the tech so much, no. 43:01.060 --> 43:11.540 So, basically this tag, it's like, I've never seen one, I know they're going to be, start moving in, you're going to start seeing this stuff in your clothing pretty soon when you check out. 43:12.180 --> 43:14.520 It's, it's relatively small, it's just a transmitter. 43:15.440 --> 43:29.780 And what it does is it beeps out, it's a serial number, and it sends it, and it can, you can, a store can tell where it is because, you know, they can direction, and if it, if they don't hear, let's say they have a, they have a list of all their shoes that have this RFID tag in them. 43:29.780 --> 43:37.620 And if, if the machine, when you check out, it, like, cancels that off the list, well, if it sees it missing, it's going to think it's stolen. 43:38.400 --> 43:46.540 And that way they can track it, but they can also track it because if they, you don't, if they say, oh, these don't have RFID tags in them, they really do, and they can monitor you, that's the problem, that's the privacy issue. 43:47.120 --> 43:53.620 Well, what's going to happen is there's these tags, and then, to a friend of mine, Etox, I always talk about him, the guy is the shit with the radios. 43:53.620 --> 43:59.260 He's pretty, he's going to be, he's got some projects going that's going to be, how I say, more privacy friendly. 44:00.420 --> 44:08.320 But he's, he's saying that, but he's saying that the tech he's hearing from is that they're going to be running at 9 megahertz, not necessarily 13.56, as this one says. 44:09.020 --> 44:14.960 And so we never know, it's going to be, but what are you going to be developing as something more, a little more privacy friendly for these RFID tags? 44:14.960 --> 44:25.380 Well, that's definitely, you know, that's, that, that is what we have talked about, is the privacy aspect of it, and we touched on generally how they work with the antenna and how they're traced and stuff like that. 44:25.500 --> 44:29.460 But, um, what about that particular frequency, 13.56? 44:29.460 --> 44:35.600 I mean, that, that, that low, there's nothing really, I don't think there's anything special that comes off the top of my head. 44:35.780 --> 44:37.520 Is that the kind of thing that, um. 44:38.040 --> 44:40.780 They're just going low because the, that's what they're going to do. 44:40.780 --> 44:45.000 I mean, there's no, there's just, it's actually a little odd to have it really low. 44:45.520 --> 45:03.360 Is what, I guess what I'm, I'm, one of my concerns, and this is being, I, I just do not know the tech, so this may be a very naive question, but is there a chance, is there some way that I can get a hold of 13.56, um, receiver and listen in the parking lot, or even worse, you know? 45:03.360 --> 45:04.420 I don't really know commercially. 45:04.760 --> 45:05.840 Is it a commercial only? 45:05.840 --> 45:16.180 But, I mean, you know, who knows, someone might come up with plans here, you, you, on eBay right now, I search IFID once, and you can't buy that stuff, you can make your own RFID tags. 45:17.100 --> 45:17.320 Hmm. 45:18.920 --> 45:21.900 And they also, here we got the, they're going to be encrypted as well. 45:22.620 --> 45:25.580 These, these, this, this, uh, this is going to be credit card numbers for. 45:25.580 --> 45:34.120 Right, so what you were saying earlier about sending, uh, a, uh, um, I forgot what your term was, but basically a UPC number, or a tag number. 45:34.220 --> 45:34.880 It's a number. 45:35.080 --> 45:37.360 This is actually going to be the credit card number. 45:37.380 --> 45:40.060 It would be the way to go, then it's more of an ID for the product. 45:40.360 --> 45:48.480 Right, for the product, but in this case, what, what American Express, I'm, I'm guessing they're passing the credit card number itself. 45:49.120 --> 45:50.800 Maybe not the credit, let me think. 45:50.800 --> 45:55.420 Yeah, I mean, it could be a cross, it could be a number assigned to the card that's cross-referenced. 45:55.560 --> 46:00.480 It would make a difference if you had that number, you couldn't charge in that credit card, so encrypting it is the way to go. 46:00.900 --> 46:07.980 Yeah, it is, it is encrypted from tag to scanner, it uses a random number generator to change the security code, security code every time. 46:08.280 --> 46:15.680 So that's a good thing, but, you know, what kind of encryption, how strong is it, you know, there's a lot of question marks there. 46:15.680 --> 46:26.700 So, you know, again, the potential, I don't know, I'd like to see more tech detail about it, so if you hear more about it, the Etox has something, you know, I'm sure we'll bring it up on a later show. 46:27.360 --> 46:32.360 I find it, I guess, I mention RFID a lot because I find it very, very interesting. 46:32.360 --> 46:42.240 I mean, honestly, I don't, the speed pass I think is a pretty good idea, I don't use it because that gas station that uses it is too damn expensive. 46:42.720 --> 46:49.980 But it's a pretty good idea and it is convenient, it is a convenient way to pay for things sometimes if I can count on the security of it. 46:50.120 --> 46:57.700 So, that's what my concern is and before I'm going to adopt anything like that, I'm going to be concerned about the security of it. 46:57.700 --> 47:06.620 But, in this case, like, again, we were talking last episode and you just mentioned earlier about these tags being on clothing and retail devices and stuff like that. 47:09.000 --> 47:14.140 Now, if they put this on your clothes or whatever, I mean, that's one thing. 47:14.840 --> 47:18.100 You know, that can be taken off when you leave the store or something like that, I guess. 47:18.560 --> 47:20.140 I don't know how they're going to do that either. 47:20.140 --> 47:26.620 But what if, you know, for example, this thing is going to be, you keep this on you at all times. 47:27.820 --> 47:31.620 You know, it's not like you turn this in when you're done with it or, you know, if it's an RFID in the store, 47:31.700 --> 47:35.880 they scan you and they take it off when you leave, like, the security tags on clothes sometimes. 47:36.120 --> 47:37.180 It's not a situation like that. 47:37.220 --> 47:39.320 This is with you every step of the day. 47:40.200 --> 47:41.640 Do they have the potential? 47:41.640 --> 47:47.600 And what would they do with that ability to watch you all the time? 47:47.720 --> 47:51.500 Every step of your day, can they monitor and see where you go? 47:51.700 --> 47:59.300 And if American Express has this reputation for keeping an enormous database on its customers, 48:00.240 --> 48:04.240 that's really the big separation, the big difference between them and a lot of the other credit card companies 48:04.240 --> 48:06.660 is they guard their personal information. 48:07.460 --> 48:08.980 It's invaluable to them. 48:08.980 --> 48:12.240 They sell it out to companies' targeted marketing. 48:12.680 --> 48:14.780 This person buys a lot of electronics. 48:15.260 --> 48:16.360 Here you go, Best Buy. 48:16.520 --> 48:18.080 We'll sell it to you for X number of dollars. 48:18.240 --> 48:22.180 And we're guaranteeing you that it's customers who spend a lot of money on electronics 48:22.180 --> 48:25.660 or a lot of money on medication or a lot of money, you know, whatever they want. 48:26.060 --> 48:27.140 They data mine this. 48:27.240 --> 48:33.020 Well, now this company who's famous for that and who knows, everybody knows that's their bread and butter 48:33.020 --> 48:34.220 and that's one of the things they do. 48:34.220 --> 48:41.640 Now we're going to give them potentially the ability to watch where I'm at and track where this device goes? 48:42.080 --> 48:44.860 That's really, really, really scary. 48:45.760 --> 48:46.960 Really, really scary. 48:47.080 --> 48:52.480 Are they going to be able to tell that I go into a store and didn't use American Express 48:52.480 --> 48:57.140 or what kind of stores I go into and start sending me targeted? 48:57.700 --> 49:00.540 The potential for abuse is just scary. 49:04.000 --> 49:05.620 Maybe it's me going paranoid again. 49:05.680 --> 49:06.260 You know how I get. 49:06.740 --> 49:07.060 Well, wait. 49:07.360 --> 49:08.340 Going back to your other point. 49:08.720 --> 49:11.200 Nine megahertz, you know, you might be able to pick that with a scanner. 49:12.960 --> 49:13.280 Hmm. 49:13.440 --> 49:14.120 With a radio scanner. 49:14.200 --> 49:14.620 I'm not sure. 49:14.980 --> 49:16.160 I don't have my scanner around with me. 49:16.600 --> 49:21.100 But, um, don't quote me on that, but I bet you can't, I was starting to think about something else 49:21.100 --> 49:24.520 when you asked me, but I bet you can with some radio scanners. 49:25.000 --> 49:25.600 I'm not sure about mine. 49:25.660 --> 49:26.560 I don't know how low it goes. 49:26.680 --> 49:28.860 The newer ones, you might be able to receive it. 49:29.080 --> 49:31.720 So that's nine, but this one was 13.56. 49:32.100 --> 49:32.340 Maybe. 49:33.340 --> 49:34.440 Well, why don't we look into that? 49:34.440 --> 49:36.660 Maybe we can talk about that next show. 49:36.780 --> 49:38.200 Let's tune into it, see what's up. 49:39.260 --> 49:39.520 Yeah. 49:40.720 --> 49:41.460 That could be interesting. 49:41.460 --> 49:47.300 You know, speaking of radio frequencies and just frequency in general, it's another story 49:47.300 --> 49:48.500 that caught my eye. 49:49.420 --> 49:52.180 This is kind of, probably kind of obscure, I don't know if you've ever heard of this one, 49:52.220 --> 49:56.980 but in Norfolk, Virginia, um, this is a very short story and I think it's just easier to 49:56.980 --> 49:57.340 read it. 49:57.780 --> 50:03.960 Um, dozens of shoppers were stranded in Thetford today, which I guess is some town, uh, after 50:03.960 --> 50:06.040 their cars locked them out. 50:06.040 --> 50:11.820 Immobilizers and electric locking systems shut down, locking several people out of their 50:11.820 --> 50:13.940 cars parked at the Forest Retail Park. 50:14.580 --> 50:18.700 The mystery mass lockout has been blamed on rogue radio waves. 50:19.640 --> 50:23.520 Although it's unclear whether the radio waves were transmitted from, where the waves were 50:23.520 --> 50:28.300 transmitted from, the incident is to be investigated by the Radio Broadcasting Commission. 50:29.060 --> 50:33.620 Sainsbury staff provided cups of tea and help for stranded families who had to wait for 50:33.620 --> 50:35.300 mechanics to fix the problems. 50:36.040 --> 50:39.240 So, again, you're the radio guy. 50:39.320 --> 50:40.500 Tell me what's going on with this. 50:40.580 --> 50:41.640 What happened here? 50:41.760 --> 50:43.180 Is this, is this the work of hackers? 50:43.380 --> 50:48.800 Is this, uh, you know, this sounds like it was multiple types of cars and multiple, you 50:48.800 --> 50:52.160 know, it doesn't sound like it only happened to Toyotas or it only happened to Fords or 50:52.160 --> 50:52.480 whatever. 50:53.100 --> 50:54.500 You know, what, what happened here? 50:54.540 --> 50:56.980 What is it, what are they saying, a rogue radio, radio wave? 50:56.980 --> 51:00.200 There could be, you know, it's just, you know, it's a chaos theory. 51:00.600 --> 51:04.160 Butterflies left swing somewhere, started a tornado in the other part of the world. 51:04.160 --> 51:05.780 It's, it could be really anything. 51:05.780 --> 51:08.240 It, it could be, yeah, a fluke of nature. 51:08.240 --> 51:13.060 It could be someone overjuiced their radio and it fucked something up on the other side 51:13.060 --> 51:13.420 of town. 51:13.940 --> 51:17.800 On the other hand, it could be someone that has a lot of time on their hands, has really 51:17.800 --> 51:21.740 researched this, found that stuff out, and are locking people out of their cars. 51:21.740 --> 51:26.680 It depends, it also depends on the cars themselves and how they work. 51:26.760 --> 51:31.960 How if you press that button to lock your car, it's just saying, hey, lock my car. 51:32.040 --> 51:38.120 Is it really doing some work and some type of way of kind of messing up so it doesn't 51:38.120 --> 51:43.020 repeat it or, I mean, it's really easy just to do, to send something to the car, doing 51:43.020 --> 51:45.000 some more work in the way of turning it off. 51:45.760 --> 51:48.160 Turning the car, locking, unlocking, so on and so forth. 51:48.160 --> 51:49.760 And so, it's, that's really weird. 51:49.820 --> 51:51.320 The other thing is, this article doesn't make sense. 51:51.840 --> 51:59.160 If they're locked to other cars, if they're, if they're, you have a key to your car. 51:59.600 --> 52:00.520 That's how you use your car. 52:00.780 --> 52:01.640 Open it with the key. 52:02.260 --> 52:02.580 Well. 52:03.140 --> 52:04.120 It doesn't make sense. 52:04.120 --> 52:08.600 I don't know, unless it's maybe, maybe it's an alarm thing where it shuts off the engine 52:08.600 --> 52:08.860 or. 52:09.120 --> 52:10.140 I think they're talking about something else. 52:10.740 --> 52:13.820 Because, if you get a key, you can open up your car. 52:14.720 --> 52:16.940 I think maybe they, like, all these car alarms went off. 52:17.100 --> 52:17.300 Right. 52:17.360 --> 52:17.660 Well, no. 52:17.740 --> 52:21.640 See, it's immobilizers and electronic locking systems shut down. 52:21.720 --> 52:23.140 So, the car was immobilized. 52:23.380 --> 52:23.600 Okay. 52:23.660 --> 52:24.800 Maybe it's coming, something else. 52:25.040 --> 52:26.560 This might be a lot worse than. 52:26.960 --> 52:27.300 Right. 52:27.480 --> 52:29.540 Car locking, so if you can unlock it. 52:29.900 --> 52:30.180 Right. 52:30.260 --> 52:32.840 Like, alarm systems, like, locking the car down. 52:33.300 --> 52:38.240 Or, there's, like, if these, I've never heard of anything, be able to, like, completely stop 52:38.240 --> 52:39.140 your car from moving. 52:39.480 --> 52:39.760 Sure. 52:39.920 --> 52:43.800 You can, there, there's, and most alarms, well, not most alarms, but a lot of the higher 52:43.800 --> 52:47.820 end alarms have, you know, they'll shut down the engine and they'll stop people from 52:47.820 --> 52:50.980 starting it up if they don't start the car properly. 52:51.300 --> 52:51.460 Yeah. 52:51.860 --> 52:53.120 So, yeah, it's, that's weird. 52:53.120 --> 52:58.940 It's, it's, it's, now, this is, this is a mass consumer device, so, they have to have 52:58.940 --> 53:02.400 a legitimate, uh, frequency to operate on, so. 53:02.400 --> 53:07.060 I know, I found a lot of those, but you can, if you, what, how everything, all the, every 53:07.060 --> 53:14.180 device that transmits, or every good device that transmits a radio frequency has to register 53:14.180 --> 53:17.440 with the FCC, obviously, or they're going to get sued if they ask. 53:18.440 --> 53:22.480 And just like me, how I'm a ham radio operator, you have to take a test for that and stuff. 53:22.480 --> 53:24.440 There's a lot of shit you have to go through to get it. 53:25.220 --> 53:29.120 And, so, what you do is, if you see something that emits the radio, brings the radio, look 53:29.120 --> 53:30.900 at the back, it'll tell you it's FCC ID. 53:31.540 --> 53:34.340 Search FCC ID, look up on Google, you'll get the first link. 53:34.740 --> 53:39.480 You put in that, that code, it'll tell you who made it, model number, all that stuff. 53:39.560 --> 53:43.040 Sometimes it'll give you a schematic, and it gives you the frequency it operates on, or 53:43.040 --> 53:43.800 at least a range. 53:44.780 --> 53:45.760 And you can tell, find out everything. 53:45.760 --> 53:50.080 So, if you found out all these FCC IDs for all these cars, I don't think they put FCC IDs 53:50.080 --> 53:55.240 on those little, those little button transmitters, maybe on the inside of the, the actual transmitter 53:55.240 --> 53:56.920 itself, then yeah, it wouldn't be hard. 53:57.820 --> 54:04.300 But, but looking at this, this might be one product, might be something after, after, um, 54:05.140 --> 54:07.680 after market edition, maybe not, I don't know. 54:08.080 --> 54:12.080 Yeah, there's not enough detail, unfortunately, in the story, but it did catch my eye to think, 54:12.080 --> 54:16.080 what in the world could have caused this, it says several people, so the odds of them 54:16.080 --> 54:20.720 all having the same, you know, yeah, it's, it sounds like it was a little bit more global 54:20.720 --> 54:23.300 than that, but yeah, unfortunately, we don't know more details, so. 54:23.440 --> 54:25.980 This is very interesting, and, you know, I might check into this, see what's up. 54:26.620 --> 54:33.300 Um, but, as a more, let's back up from this, in a more general statement, again, from a newbie 54:33.300 --> 54:40.220 standpoint, um, they have to have permission to use a certain range, or a certain frequency, 54:40.220 --> 54:42.440 as far as transmitting. 54:43.900 --> 54:45.280 How about receiving? 54:45.880 --> 54:50.160 It's, quote, unquote, it's illegal to intercept cell phone calls, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 54:50.360 --> 54:55.220 It's hard to find, uh, the equipment to listen in on that kind of stuff. 54:55.300 --> 54:56.660 That's illegal, am I correct? 54:56.780 --> 55:00.860 Actually, well, or, see, this is a thing that has gotten a lot of people pissed off. 55:00.960 --> 55:03.840 Yeah, actually, let me give you, let me give you a second part of this question to go on 55:03.840 --> 55:04.000 with. 55:04.000 --> 55:10.740 If, that being the example, is it also illegal for me to own a receiver to pick up 13.56 or 55:10.740 --> 55:14.940 whatever we said earlier, and to listen on this, if I look it up on the site you told 55:14.940 --> 55:20.240 me to, and look it up and see what the FCC, who it was assigned to, is there anything necessarily 55:20.240 --> 55:21.820 illegal about listening to those? 55:22.240 --> 55:24.640 Now, that's a good thing to write off this point. 55:25.140 --> 55:29.540 Now, to rest your first part, it is illegal to listen to cell phone conversations. 55:29.540 --> 55:34.880 That being said, in any metropolitan area right now, you're not going to hear cell phone 55:34.880 --> 55:38.860 conversations on the supposed locked band of 800 megahertz. 55:39.440 --> 55:44.440 What's around there right now is a lot of trunk radios, a lot of fire stations, a lot of police 55:44.440 --> 55:44.880 stations. 55:45.300 --> 55:46.420 Some of those are moving to digital. 55:46.880 --> 55:49.580 The other thing you're going to get is a lot of, uh, pagers. 55:50.680 --> 55:53.480 Um, there's, there's a lot of stuff that operates in that bandwidth. 55:54.040 --> 55:54.960 Now, a lot of more cell phones. 55:55.040 --> 55:56.940 You go to rural areas where they still have an analog. 55:57.380 --> 55:58.600 Where does the analog stuff? 55:58.600 --> 56:01.880 You're going to be hearing analog, and I've heard analog, it's not hard to pick up at 56:01.880 --> 56:02.060 all. 56:02.700 --> 56:06.800 And you're going to hear your analog, and you say that it's hard to find a radio for 56:06.800 --> 56:06.940 that. 56:07.300 --> 56:08.280 It's not hard at all. 56:08.460 --> 56:13.600 A lot of radios today, well, in the U.S., they have to be sold as 800 megahertz or a cell 56:13.600 --> 56:15.200 phone band block. 56:15.880 --> 56:22.740 A lot of radios today, it requires very little skill to unlock that. 56:22.740 --> 56:28.680 The older radios, like my, my scanner, took, it took all of, I didn't even, I bought it 56:28.680 --> 56:35.080 unlocked, and it would have still taken me all of five or ten minutes to, to unlock it. 56:35.520 --> 56:40.140 Really, it doesn't take no, which is kind of funny, because these radio companies are 56:40.140 --> 56:44.640 supposed to be kind of, quote, unquote, protecting that band, but they're not, because they're 56:44.640 --> 56:46.300 making it so easy to unlock it. 56:47.120 --> 56:51.900 So, your second part about listening, from what I know, the only thing you can't listen 56:51.900 --> 56:52.760 to is that cell phone. 56:52.860 --> 56:54.760 Now, I know the laws are all twisted. 56:54.920 --> 56:56.360 Bernie S. has been talking about it a lot. 56:56.900 --> 56:58.060 He always, he talks about that. 56:59.460 --> 57:03.220 You have to really look at the law books, but listening to those is not wrong at all. 57:03.620 --> 57:08.160 Now, cell phone band, yes, it is, but 13.56 million, that's open country. 57:09.540 --> 57:12.560 Transmitting on, it's a different story, but listening to it is not. 57:12.560 --> 57:15.960 Oh, of course, transmitting, I understand, but listening, that's when one. 57:15.980 --> 57:16.880 Listening is no, nothing. 57:17.300 --> 57:17.540 Hmm. 57:18.000 --> 57:23.500 Anything, the only, the only thing I know about is the cell phone band, that, to listen 57:23.500 --> 57:29.160 on a cell phone band is illegal, just as, you know, tapping a phone line and listening 57:29.160 --> 57:35.680 on it without a warrant is illegal, but anything else, you should, you're completely safe. 57:36.900 --> 57:42.220 Right, which is why it's so important to have encryption and encoding and stuff like that. 57:42.220 --> 57:48.060 That's why it's on two-point, there's a lot of, the FCC, they cut up, somehow they became 57:48.060 --> 57:56.060 the proprietors of, you know, the air, and they cut up the megahertz for certain things. 57:56.200 --> 58:02.840 There's certain parts of the airwaves that are reserved for ham radio and Marine, the 58:02.840 --> 58:04.340 Coast Guard Marines. 58:04.480 --> 58:05.220 Right, right. 58:05.220 --> 58:10.580 Everything's cut up, but there's a point, as you get high enough and low enough, that 58:10.580 --> 58:11.440 no one cares anymore. 58:12.400 --> 58:18.240 Above, above a certain, above a certain gigahertz, you can do whatever you want. 58:18.240 --> 58:23.900 So, for a computer geek like me, that's more along the lines of 1024 and below, port numbers 58:23.900 --> 58:27.540 are reserved, and anything beyond that is pretty much free reign. 58:27.660 --> 58:27.840 Yeah. 58:29.540 --> 58:34.680 Now, standards have emerged within there, but not necessarily enforced by anything or anybody. 58:34.840 --> 58:37.140 Yeah, but really, port numbers are more of a convenience. 58:37.440 --> 58:37.800 Right. 58:38.460 --> 58:40.600 Not really a set in stone standard. 58:40.840 --> 58:41.240 Exactly. 58:42.440 --> 58:42.740 Hmm. 58:43.120 --> 58:45.360 Well, that, you know what, that was interesting. 58:45.480 --> 58:48.280 See, now, Dual City learned something last week, and I learned something this week. 58:48.380 --> 58:50.360 I'm, that was a, that was a good segment. 58:50.960 --> 58:53.700 Um, I'm glad I had you on, because I, I really had no idea. 58:53.780 --> 58:56.880 I knew something was fishy with a story, and that was good. 58:56.900 --> 58:57.540 I liked that a lot. 58:58.180 --> 59:02.580 Um, actually, I have one, I have this story just for you. 59:02.580 --> 59:08.400 I saw this, and I knew I had to add this to my notes, and we haven't done this for a long 59:08.400 --> 59:11.660 time, so, as a segue into this story. 59:12.000 --> 59:12.440 Segway! 59:12.680 --> 59:13.080 Segway! 59:14.840 --> 59:15.280 Segway! 59:15.700 --> 59:22.020 The New York City Police Department is going to be trying segways for the next 60 days. 59:22.160 --> 59:26.540 New York police officers are going to have segway devices to travel around the city, and 59:26.540 --> 59:29.700 I don't think they're going to be getting any car chases or anything with them. 59:29.700 --> 59:33.420 Okay, first of all, now, if anyone knows a segway, you don't move fast. 59:34.080 --> 59:38.300 Second of all, they're so fucking fast, they're not going to go anywhere. 59:39.220 --> 59:40.980 They're still banned in New York City. 59:41.260 --> 59:42.240 Are they banned, like, smoking? 59:42.440 --> 59:43.180 Is it really banned? 59:43.260 --> 59:45.240 I think it's actually banned in New York City. 59:45.240 --> 59:46.380 It's the weirdest place, because that is, like... 59:46.380 --> 59:47.160 It's so crowded. 59:47.760 --> 59:53.040 It's, it's the center of commerce, yet cell phones are blocked, or banned when you drive. 59:53.640 --> 59:55.240 Smoking is banned in most areas. 59:55.660 --> 59:56.860 Segways, it's craziness. 59:57.220 --> 01:00:00.520 Yeah, the segway, they're, they're reasoning for the segways, because it's too big and bulky, 01:00:00.680 --> 01:00:03.540 and they're scared you're going to hit or clip somebody, and there's going to be lawsuits 01:00:03.540 --> 01:00:03.980 go over. 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:04.900 They're scared. 01:00:05.080 --> 01:00:06.320 Yeah, well, what are you going to do? 01:00:06.900 --> 01:00:10.820 And the people, the places they allow it, who the hell's going to be riding a segway 01:00:10.820 --> 01:00:12.800 out in some country road and dirt road? 01:00:13.220 --> 01:00:16.600 You know, oh, I'm going to go feed the cows, Maul, I'm going to hop on the segway. 01:00:17.640 --> 01:00:21.680 The segway, no, all right, I have to admit, the guy that was at, um, what's the guy's name? 01:00:22.220 --> 01:00:23.220 Brilliant inventor, dude. 01:00:23.220 --> 01:00:27.060 You know, he makes the coolest, it's really cool, because, you know, it's a, moves like 01:00:27.060 --> 01:00:31.000 a good, moves at a good pace, what, 20 miles an hour, and, and, you know, it keeps its 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:31.320 balance. 01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:31.800 It's really cool. 01:00:32.080 --> 01:00:32.640 First of all... 01:00:32.640 --> 01:00:34.260 The segway goes 20 miles an hour? 01:00:34.380 --> 01:00:35.600 Maybe less, I don't know, whatever. 01:00:35.740 --> 01:00:36.380 It goes... 01:00:36.380 --> 01:00:38.160 I thought it was like six or nine or something. 01:00:38.160 --> 01:00:39.820 Okay, fine, it keeps its pace, whatever. 01:00:40.820 --> 01:00:44.620 It's cool, it balances stuff, it doesn't tip over, or at least tries to tip over. 01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:51.340 The thing is, he doesn't, it's not good, because, first of all, it's speed, and I guess UPS 01:00:51.340 --> 01:00:53.560 was going to try it, but it can't pull much at all. 01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:55.360 It doesn't pull well. 01:00:55.700 --> 01:00:55.920 Hmm. 01:00:56.540 --> 01:01:00.200 Oh, no, it's a cool idea, but not that kind of plot. 01:01:00.540 --> 01:01:00.780 No. 01:01:01.460 --> 01:01:02.000 We'll see. 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:07.800 If anybody in New York City can get us a picture of a cop on a segway, there's some promo pictures 01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:09.040 out there with the stories and stuff. 01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:12.300 Somebody get us a real life picture of a real cop riding a segway. 01:01:12.420 --> 01:01:13.120 Like a handshake? 01:01:13.220 --> 01:01:14.280 Yeah, email that to us. 01:01:14.560 --> 01:01:15.860 Please, email that to us. 01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:16.940 I would love to see that. 01:01:17.420 --> 01:01:21.180 Maybe we can put that on the inside cover to BinRev 1.3 or something like that. 01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.500 So, please, take your digital cameras. 01:01:23.640 --> 01:01:25.060 If you live in New York, send that to us. 01:01:25.060 --> 01:01:26.280 That would be hilarious. 01:01:28.300 --> 01:01:33.520 We're running kind of short on time here, but there is, let's see, can I hit this point 01:01:33.520 --> 01:01:36.380 and this could turn into a rant. 01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:38.160 You know, have I ranted enough for this show? 01:01:38.220 --> 01:01:39.420 Maybe we save this for next week. 01:01:39.520 --> 01:01:40.440 Yeah, I think we save this. 01:01:41.300 --> 01:01:45.340 Yeah, we're running kind of low, and let's do some, yeah, let's wrap it up. 01:01:47.180 --> 01:01:52.120 We, let's see, boy, we covered a lot of stuff this episode. 01:01:52.120 --> 01:01:54.340 This was a, I was, I'm very happy with this episode. 01:01:54.460 --> 01:01:55.160 It went very well. 01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:57.700 Um, let's see. 01:01:58.040 --> 01:01:58.620 I, you know what? 01:01:58.900 --> 01:02:00.580 I screwed up and didn't start my timer. 01:02:00.640 --> 01:02:01.680 I don't know how we are on time. 01:02:02.240 --> 01:02:07.280 I, by the way, if ten minutes into this show, I bet you the damn stream dropped again. 01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:11.540 I emailed them and told them there was a problem, and I haven't heard back from Rant Radio yet. 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:16.520 But, um, ten minutes into every show, this damn thing drops, and let's see if it happens again. 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:19.480 I'm telling you, there's nothing wrong on my end. 01:02:19.560 --> 01:02:23.540 It's, once I reconnect it after that ten minute drop, it'll stay the rest of the night fine. 01:02:23.720 --> 01:02:28.740 But ten minutes in, something happens every single time, and I don't know what's going on. 01:02:29.160 --> 01:02:32.480 It's getting on my last nerf, so I'm going to watch for that closely today. 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:34.960 Um, do you have any shout-outs for this week? 01:02:35.660 --> 01:02:37.520 I don't, I have nothing, man. 01:02:37.680 --> 01:02:40.160 I have to, we can shout-out, uh, Mr. V-Tech. 01:02:40.680 --> 01:02:41.100 The V. 01:02:41.300 --> 01:02:44.980 Um, shout-out, um, everybody at Universal Studios. 01:02:45.620 --> 01:02:48.360 Um, everybody knows the email address, letters at binrev.com. 01:02:48.420 --> 01:02:53.960 If you've got feedback, bitching, moaning, rants, complaints, whatever, love letters you want to send mute, 01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:56.560 send them all to letters at binrev.com. 01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:00.160 If you're going to send explicit pictures, send those directly to Win or Mute. 01:03:00.500 --> 01:03:01.460 Hey, no men. 01:03:03.280 --> 01:03:06.900 No, hey, well, you know what they say, all the women swoon for mute. 01:03:07.220 --> 01:03:07.620 Uh-huh. 01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:09.740 When you say they, of course you mean you. 01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:12.180 All the women swoon for me, me. 01:03:13.580 --> 01:03:14.800 You're the only one that says that. 01:03:15.220 --> 01:03:15.840 No, no, no. 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:16.820 They all do. 01:03:17.260 --> 01:03:17.760 Every one. 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:18.940 Oh, Win or Mute. 01:03:19.040 --> 01:03:20.100 Every single one? 01:03:20.280 --> 01:03:20.740 Oh, yeah. 01:03:21.340 --> 01:03:27.100 Even the ones we were social engineering at, uh, at, uh, Universal Studios, Men in Black? 01:03:27.300 --> 01:03:27.860 They love me. 01:03:27.860 --> 01:03:28.840 She was a hottie, man. 01:03:28.900 --> 01:03:29.420 She wanted you. 01:03:29.620 --> 01:03:30.420 No, no, no, no. 01:03:30.420 --> 01:03:35.620 Anyway, um, I'm hoping to have a special guest on next week. 01:03:35.700 --> 01:03:36.660 I've talked to him. 01:03:37.100 --> 01:03:40.500 Um, don't know if he's going to be available, so I'm not going to, I'll leave that mysterious, 01:03:40.740 --> 01:03:41.640 leave that wide open. 01:03:41.640 --> 01:03:46.720 And, um, again, uh, oh, I'll give shouts to my 2600 crew since we just had our meeting, 01:03:46.780 --> 01:03:47.300 if they're listening. 01:03:47.940 --> 01:03:48.940 Uh, shout out to them. 01:03:49.260 --> 01:03:51.580 Um, and I guess that's it. 01:03:51.660 --> 01:03:56.180 So, I guess next week, we'll see you same hack time. 01:03:56.520 --> 01:03:57.380 Same hack patient. 01:03:57.620 --> 01:04:02.500 And we leave you with another track from Ill Skills called It's the Gangsta in Me. 01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:03.620 Peace out. 01:04:03.620 --> 01:04:33.600 Peace out. 01:04:33.620 --> 01:04:35.580 Peace out. 01:04:43.640 --> 01:04:45.020 Peace out. 01:04:45.020 --> 01:04:50.760 Peace out. 01:04:50.760 --> 01:05:20.740 Thank you. 01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:50.740 Thank you. 01:05:50.760 --> 01:06:20.740 Thank you. 01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:50.740 Thank you. 01:06:50.760 --> 01:07:20.740 Thank you. 01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:50.740 Thank you. 01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:52.760 Thank you.