WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:21.500 Welcome to the next generation of Hacking Information Exchange with StankDawg and Wintermute. 00:30.000 --> 00:59.640 I see in binary. I speak source code. Step on my toes. I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose. In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho. Cause I'm riding the net in my six foe. I was a dick with my 56. Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable. On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. In a flash, I'll school you on burning dreamcasts. You need some ISOs? Let me do my hard drive rifle. 00:59.640 --> 01:24.780 Our exchange, you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. I bootlegged your CD. I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. Your CG, it's all gonna be free. Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. You feel that rattle in your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones? And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back? Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:24.780 --> 01:34.780 This is dedicated to the hackers and criminals. Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIPs, SISs. This is dedicated to the hackers and... 01:34.780 --> 01:46.780 Hello everybody and welcome to Binary Revolution Radio. This is episode 6, 7, 8, 9, 6. 01:46.780 --> 01:50.780 6, 6, 6. And the voice you hear, of course, is... 01:50.780 --> 01:56.280 Intermute. In the house. In the house. In the house. That's like your slogan. It's like your trademark now. 01:56.360 --> 01:59.780 In the house. I've invented so many symbols like... 01:59.780 --> 02:04.020 Segway. Segway. I have nothing else to say. 02:04.020 --> 02:09.020 I, of course, am StankDawg. In the house. In the house. 02:09.020 --> 02:16.680 In the house. Very distinctive redneck country voice, I guess. So, um, I'm sure... 02:16.680 --> 02:17.580 Report violation. 02:19.580 --> 02:27.820 We have a lot of stuff to go through tonight. So, I think it's probably best if we just jump right in. 02:27.820 --> 02:35.820 Um, and probably the best way to start off is by... 02:35.820 --> 02:40.680 Well, first of all, let me put on the timer for the show. We've already missed a minute here because I didn't start my damn timer. 02:41.460 --> 02:46.020 So, now I have to try to watch a minute early. So, that's your job. You have to remind me. 02:46.440 --> 02:47.700 Even though I'm the one with the timer. 02:48.360 --> 02:49.820 I'm okay. I have a mental note. 02:50.000 --> 02:57.800 Okay. Um, anyway, we have been requesting show notes for the last couple episodes. 02:57.800 --> 03:02.960 And, um, I gave some time to get all the, uh, submissions in. 03:04.120 --> 03:07.080 And, I think we're ready to announce a winner. 03:07.680 --> 03:10.920 And, we are going to... 03:10.920 --> 03:14.400 First of all, we'd offered to give out an at binrev.com address. 03:14.900 --> 03:17.920 We're going to give the person credit on the website, of course, for writing the notes. 03:18.600 --> 03:21.360 And, when they write the notes for this episode, it will say, 03:21.860 --> 03:24.460 Winner of Notes Announced. The winner is me. 03:24.460 --> 03:28.660 And, they'll be able to put their name in there. That'll be kind of a little recursion joke there. 03:29.500 --> 03:36.140 Um, actually, I had a frontrunner last week that I thought was going to end up winning the, winning the job. 03:36.680 --> 03:39.980 And, someone submitted some good stuff this week. 03:40.420 --> 03:42.240 And, I think we're ready to go with it. 03:42.740 --> 03:52.940 So, for the people listening in, in IRC, um, uh, which I'm, I bet you this person is chilling in IRC if I know them. 03:52.940 --> 03:58.140 Um, but, I wonder if I do a drum roll on the desk if it's going to blow the microphone all to hell. 03:58.220 --> 03:58.540 Should I try it? 03:58.540 --> 03:59.880 No, well, no. I'll give it. 04:02.840 --> 04:11.260 The winner of the official show notes writer for BinRev Radio is our good friend, Hack and Slash. 04:12.320 --> 04:13.820 Hack and Slash, congratulations. 04:14.360 --> 04:16.400 Woo! The young kid strikes again. 04:16.760 --> 04:20.440 Or, or should I say, this is your punishment that you're going to be writing show notes. 04:20.800 --> 04:22.400 Woo! The young kid strikes again. 04:22.400 --> 04:24.340 And, but, yes, very good stuff. 04:24.440 --> 04:28.320 We will be putting those up ASAP, uh, putting them on the site. 04:28.400 --> 04:33.840 Probably, when I put this, uh, episode up for download, I will probably go ahead and put his show notes up. 04:34.620 --> 04:38.500 Um, which, obviously, I won't have them for this episode by then. 04:38.560 --> 04:40.880 So, his show notes will be basically delayed by a week. 04:41.560 --> 04:50.340 Um, and, I guess, the email address is going to be not a big thing because he already has one. 04:50.340 --> 04:53.860 Um, so, we don't have to give him anything, right? 04:55.000 --> 04:56.840 No, I think he's, uh, I think he's set. 04:56.960 --> 04:58.020 I think he just gets punishment. 04:58.340 --> 04:58.900 Yeah, okay. 04:59.300 --> 05:00.820 Now, I'm sure we'll find something for him. 05:01.400 --> 05:04.860 Um, also, a topic from last week. 05:04.940 --> 05:10.040 I want to, whenever we have a topic that I hear new news on or an update or a change on, I want to bring it back up. 05:10.040 --> 05:16.160 And, last week, we were talking about spam filters and whether laws or filters were going to work better, etc. 05:16.400 --> 05:23.940 And, I think you and I both mentioned or both agreed that maybe it was coincidence or whatever that we weren't getting as much spam lately. 05:24.020 --> 05:25.560 A lot of it seemed to be being filtered out. 05:25.900 --> 05:28.220 Especially with my web, web accounts, you know. 05:29.160 --> 05:31.060 Well, I guess we spoke too soon. 05:31.680 --> 05:35.000 Now, I don't know about you, but I, I got a lot more mail this past week. 05:35.100 --> 05:37.500 A lot more spam, a lot more junk mail this past week. 05:37.760 --> 05:38.540 Spammers are listening. 05:38.540 --> 05:40.140 I, I guess so. 05:40.240 --> 05:40.900 I guess so. 05:41.000 --> 05:50.120 But, um, but the funny thing is, again, these, these spam filters, they're trying to figure out what spam, what is spam and what isn't spam. 05:50.640 --> 05:59.180 And, I got the, just the damnedest thing, just the weirdest, I got an email in my inbox, and I'm referring to my Hotmail account. 05:59.520 --> 06:07.260 I got an email in my inbox with a title, um, well, I, actually, I got two emails. 06:07.260 --> 06:09.720 One of them was filtered, one of them was not filtered. 06:09.780 --> 06:12.820 They were identical emails other than the subject line. 06:13.160 --> 06:16.880 The content of the emails were exactly the same, but the content was different. 06:17.240 --> 06:20.980 I got, uh, something in my inbox that says, 06:20.980 --> 06:28.180 girls who squirt when they are excited got right into my inbox, no problem, I was sitting there with all my normal mail. 06:28.600 --> 06:34.160 But for some strange reason, girls who cream when they're excited got blocked by the spam filter. 06:34.160 --> 06:37.680 So, what is, what's the message there? 06:37.740 --> 06:43.840 I mean, if the spammers are listening, I guess, use the word squirt, and you will get by, but if you use the word cream, you get blocked? 06:44.080 --> 06:51.700 I think it's more of a, um, if, if this word, if this word, if this word, if this word structure than a single word. 06:51.700 --> 06:56.280 So, I think they saw girls in cream, and thought, no. 06:56.780 --> 07:01.900 Well, what, what is a, I, I can't think offhand of a valid email with those two words in it. 07:02.420 --> 07:05.080 Girls cream, unless I, like, work for a dairy. 07:05.300 --> 07:06.380 Yeah, I know, so that's what it means. 07:06.480 --> 07:08.260 So, that's how they're going to block. 07:08.920 --> 07:10.660 Girls squirt, squirt guns. 07:10.660 --> 07:14.220 The squirt made it through, so girls squirt, yeah. 07:14.440 --> 07:22.200 Who sends an email, have you ever, ever seen, heard, or known anybody that has sent, or received an email about girls in a squirt gun? 07:22.860 --> 07:23.920 No, but you never know. 07:25.780 --> 07:26.680 Oh, man. 07:26.700 --> 07:27.000 Yeah, it's open. 07:27.280 --> 07:31.860 Yeah, they, I don't know, they, these, these filters sometimes are just, I don't get them. 07:31.860 --> 07:33.160 Alright, this is what I want everyone to do. 07:33.220 --> 07:40.640 I want everyone to go make a SourceForge account, and I want everyone to rewrite the SMP protocol. 07:41.100 --> 07:44.000 Yeah, yeah, right, that's not, that's a simple chore. 07:44.080 --> 07:45.680 That ought to take them, what, 10, 15 minutes? 07:45.880 --> 07:47.220 You know, it's going to be easy, guys. 07:47.420 --> 07:48.920 You know, just slap some stuff up, you know? 07:49.140 --> 07:49.500 Right. 07:49.540 --> 07:49.700 Easy. 07:49.940 --> 07:50.480 That's all you got to do. 07:50.760 --> 07:54.860 You just got to make sure you block anonymous remailers. 07:55.380 --> 07:57.880 You got to figure out a way to stop remailing. 07:58.400 --> 08:02.020 Now, I'm sure that they've got a good way to stop anonymous remailing. 08:02.020 --> 08:03.520 I mean, that shouldn't be too difficult. 08:04.080 --> 08:07.200 I mean, it would take some time coding-wise, but concept-wise, it's not. 08:07.460 --> 08:10.140 But what do you, what about the compromised accounts? 08:10.140 --> 08:11.580 It's compromised servers. 08:11.960 --> 08:12.160 True. 08:12.600 --> 08:14.060 Then, you know, then it's worse, but. 08:14.180 --> 08:15.080 Yeah, you're just SOL. 08:15.220 --> 08:18.840 There's nothing you can do about those until after, you know, you can react, but you can't. 08:18.860 --> 08:19.680 Come on, stop. 08:19.680 --> 08:22.600 If you're never going to block spam, just give it up. 08:22.720 --> 08:25.880 Yeah, I think that's probably true, as much as I hate to admit it. 08:26.400 --> 08:29.240 At least you can minimize it, and that's what we talked about last episode, so if you missed 08:29.240 --> 08:30.420 it, go back and check that one out. 08:32.000 --> 08:34.360 But since you missed that episode, you lose. 08:34.700 --> 08:36.040 Yeah, it's over. 08:36.140 --> 08:36.420 It's done. 08:36.420 --> 08:41.640 I mean, you had to have listened to it live, well, pseudo-live, while it was streaming 08:41.640 --> 08:43.160 on RantRadio.com. 08:43.380 --> 08:46.740 If you didn't hear it right then and there, really, it kind of loses the effect. 08:46.980 --> 08:47.180 Yeah. 08:47.180 --> 08:51.080 But, thanks to Hack and Slash, we're going to have show notes now that you can go back 08:51.080 --> 08:55.680 and look stuff up, because, frankly, I mean, all the time, I think there's even a story 08:55.680 --> 09:00.560 tonight that's kind of a follow-up of something we talked about on RFA before, so, you know, 09:00.600 --> 09:01.260 you can go back. 09:01.320 --> 09:05.840 We always refer back to the previous mentions of these to see how the story has changed 09:05.840 --> 09:11.200 and developed and, you know, what's happened since previous episodes, so that's something 09:11.200 --> 09:11.660 that I like. 09:11.700 --> 09:12.480 I like going back. 09:12.560 --> 09:16.320 I even go back and listen to our own shows to see, now, wait a minute. 09:16.320 --> 09:20.560 What was the story back then, and compare it, and what has happened now, and where do we 09:20.560 --> 09:25.960 stand on all this stuff, so it's definitely reason to have the old episodes up for at 09:25.960 --> 09:30.660 least as long as possible, so right now, we have plenty of rooms, and we're not in an 09:30.660 --> 09:31.480 RFA situation. 09:31.580 --> 09:35.120 They've got, you know, 500 episodes or something out now, right? 09:35.180 --> 09:37.180 Aren't they like 501, 502? 09:37.400 --> 09:37.660 Yeah. 09:38.320 --> 09:44.880 So, they got a lot of episodes out, so they got some space issues, and mirrors help out 09:44.880 --> 09:49.500 a lot, and hopefully, we'll last long enough to be in that situation, too. 09:51.360 --> 09:52.800 Let's move on to some email. 09:53.000 --> 09:56.260 I got a couple of good emails this week. 09:57.020 --> 09:58.120 One from Cracks. 09:58.120 --> 10:05.100 He suggested that regular listeners know that I'm a cheap ass, and I don't have a good 10:05.100 --> 10:05.460 phone. 10:05.600 --> 10:09.320 I don't have any services or features or anything on it to do three-way calling. 10:09.480 --> 10:15.160 We can't really do a lot of phone calls or social engineering or stuff live while we're 10:15.160 --> 10:19.900 recording because I'm a cheap ass, and that's something that we do on RFA anyway. 10:20.020 --> 10:22.300 That's something that's more geared towards that show. 10:22.300 --> 10:26.400 So, but he suggested that perhaps I can use the internet. 10:27.800 --> 10:33.360 Was it, let's see, he mentioned a specific one called flat rate, I think it was, but just 10:33.360 --> 10:40.560 generally using the internet as a way of having more people on or more guests on and not even 10:40.560 --> 10:43.620 using the limits of my phone, not even using the phone company at all. 10:43.620 --> 10:48.060 So, yeah, that sounds like a good idea, and we actually discussed that before we ever 10:48.060 --> 10:51.920 started with the show, but frankly, the quality is not there. 10:52.020 --> 10:58.840 The quality of the voices going over the internet, at least software-wise through computers and 10:58.840 --> 11:01.140 through using these software applications, is not there. 11:01.620 --> 11:06.240 Now, we've also discussed in the past the Vonage and, what was it, Packet 8, I think was 11:06.240 --> 11:07.000 another in theory. 11:07.440 --> 11:10.100 All those, they're good. 11:10.100 --> 11:13.080 You know how they work, you know, cheap, cheap, cheap phone service. 11:14.160 --> 11:20.920 The problems lie in the fact that we can't do it since we need an extra computer downloading 11:20.920 --> 11:26.460 all this stuff, since we record on one computer, along with the fact that you can't three-way 11:26.460 --> 11:27.280 on any of this stuff. 11:27.940 --> 11:29.020 It's a one connection. 11:29.100 --> 11:29.920 It's a one connection. 11:30.600 --> 11:35.200 So, you can't flash the switch hook and say, get up another person, because it's physically 11:35.200 --> 11:35.640 impossible. 11:35.640 --> 11:42.780 Yeah, we were very excited to try to start using that on RFA, because the long distance 11:42.780 --> 11:48.600 and stuff starts to add up, and with those devices, it's a lot, lot cheaper, and would 11:48.600 --> 11:49.420 have helped out a lot. 11:49.580 --> 11:52.620 But, yeah, they don't have the three-way, so it kind of defeats the purpose. 11:53.400 --> 11:57.180 And again, the ones, the software ones that you interface with your computer with, they 11:57.180 --> 11:58.400 just have a lot of problems. 11:58.920 --> 12:00.420 There would be a lot of logistic problems. 12:00.420 --> 12:06.140 How do you record and run one bit of software talking, while I'm also running the same software 12:06.140 --> 12:07.320 package to record? 12:07.900 --> 12:09.500 There might be some input-output issues. 12:09.580 --> 12:12.460 I might have to use two or three computers together here to make it happen. 12:12.920 --> 12:18.860 And then, again, the bottom line is the quality that you'd be getting, coming through there, 12:18.940 --> 12:21.520 because, you know, you've got the danger of packet loss, too. 12:22.260 --> 12:26.460 If we drop somebody in the middle of the show, I mean, I guess, sure, that can happen in 12:26.460 --> 12:30.320 the phone, but, I mean, not as often as it would happen online, I would imagine. 12:30.620 --> 12:30.900 Oh, yeah. 12:31.280 --> 12:33.000 So, yeah, we did actually think about that. 12:33.060 --> 12:36.680 We discussed it, and just right now, it's not quite possible yet. 12:37.220 --> 12:41.840 You know, I really still think that Vonage and those type of things are a great idea, 12:42.140 --> 12:44.340 and they are useful for a lot of things. 12:44.900 --> 12:51.340 And I hope that a lot of people start latching on and using them, because as they do, they 12:51.340 --> 12:55.600 will grow and develop, and they will start adding those extra features that we need, and 12:55.600 --> 13:00.300 then I would gladly jump on, gladly jump on if they were to upgrade it and give me the 13:00.300 --> 13:00.880 features I need. 13:01.000 --> 13:05.480 But right now, they're still startup, they're still fairly new, so, yeah, I hope they do 13:05.480 --> 13:09.780 take off and do well, and then that would be a great solution for not only us on the 13:09.780 --> 13:11.040 show, but for everybody. 13:11.240 --> 13:18.320 I mean, it would just be an alternative to the monopolistic phone companies. 13:18.780 --> 13:20.560 And no, I'm not going to go into a rant on that. 13:20.620 --> 13:22.060 I think we all know where I stand on that. 13:22.560 --> 13:22.940 All right. 13:23.840 --> 13:28.200 I got another email, and mute, this might be, this is probably something you can add a lot 13:28.200 --> 13:30.680 to, because this is a follow-up. 13:30.720 --> 13:37.400 This came from Jalga, and it's a direct follow-up to our conversation last week, which I found 13:37.400 --> 13:39.240 very enlightening, on RFID. 13:39.240 --> 13:43.120 And we talked about, generally, what it was and how it worked, but we also talked some 13:43.120 --> 13:48.780 specific details of it, as related to American Express and a new project, a new thing that 13:48.780 --> 13:49.640 they're rolling out. 13:50.280 --> 13:58.520 And basically, what he mentioned to me, what he pointed out, was that their RFID, 13.56, 13:59.740 --> 14:03.440 is actually under the Part 15 rule, or Part 15? 14:03.440 --> 14:05.540 Yeah, Part 15. 14:06.140 --> 14:12.820 It's a part of the SEC's rules, the federal communications, whatever, I don't know. 14:12.900 --> 14:13.220 Commission? 14:14.480 --> 14:20.940 Basically, what Part 15 means is a bunch of rules, like law, and any good government, such 14:20.940 --> 14:27.580 as the United States of America, that dictates policy on what happens with the airwaves around 14:27.580 --> 14:28.480 the United States of America. 14:28.820 --> 14:29.260 All right. 14:29.300 --> 14:32.080 They're the ones that say that we're not allowed to listen in on phone calls. 14:32.080 --> 14:37.280 They're the ones that says, these bands are reserved for police department and fire department, 14:37.460 --> 14:38.220 et cetera, et cetera. 14:38.620 --> 14:42.400 What they do is, when they thought, oh, wait a minute, we can use these radios for something 14:42.400 --> 14:47.060 interesting, they sat down, and they thought, we've got to divide this up, or people are 14:47.060 --> 14:47.620 going to go crazy. 14:48.440 --> 14:53.780 So they took all the bandwidth, divided it in megahertz, or any simple mean. 14:54.180 --> 14:56.580 That's usually all the band plans you find are in megahertz. 14:56.980 --> 15:00.900 And they tell you, this frequency to this frequency is for this, this to this is this. 15:00.900 --> 15:02.780 So, so, so on, so on, so on. 15:03.480 --> 15:09.580 Well, part of it, being a ham radio operator, I can operate on certain parts of those band 15:09.580 --> 15:11.080 plans that have been reserved for me. 15:11.480 --> 15:13.420 And only for ham operators. 15:13.620 --> 15:13.920 Exactly. 15:13.920 --> 15:23.900 So, at a certain point, say 144 megahertz to 140 megahertz is what a ham, licensed ham radio 15:23.900 --> 15:26.520 operator can operate on at two meter band. 15:26.820 --> 15:35.760 It comes from the name two meter because 144 megahertz is roughly a two meter wavelength of 15:35.760 --> 15:37.340 of a radio wave. 15:38.340 --> 15:44.980 So, from crest to crest or trough to trough of a wave to approximately two meters, or six 15:44.980 --> 15:45.840 point whatever feet. 15:46.320 --> 15:46.800 I hate metric. 15:47.220 --> 15:47.480 Anyways. 15:48.760 --> 15:49.940 So, you get that. 15:50.480 --> 15:52.900 Now, other parts are police. 15:52.900 --> 15:55.080 For the record, I love metric. 15:55.380 --> 15:55.680 Okay. 15:55.780 --> 15:56.820 I think metric rocks. 15:57.080 --> 15:57.320 Okay. 15:57.360 --> 16:03.200 It's much more logical than, you know, how many feet in a yard and how many inches divided 16:03.200 --> 16:04.580 by, yeah, screw that. 16:04.760 --> 16:05.260 I like the base. 16:05.260 --> 16:05.840 Throw up on it, so. 16:06.060 --> 16:07.120 Yeah, I like a base 10. 16:07.220 --> 16:07.540 Thank you. 16:07.600 --> 16:08.560 I like the base 10 system. 16:08.640 --> 16:09.280 But anyway, go ahead. 16:09.560 --> 16:09.880 Anyways. 16:09.880 --> 16:14.340 Other parts are reserved for cell phones, so, so on. 16:14.780 --> 16:20.660 Other parts aren't, nothing is done with it, such as, I think above, I think there's 16:20.660 --> 16:24.340 laws that say, such as, okay, the 2.4 gigahertz spectrum. 16:24.960 --> 16:29.640 No one owns that, well, whatever that area around there, I don't know, I don't know the 16:29.640 --> 16:30.760 specific numbers. 16:31.340 --> 16:34.040 You can find a list search for FCC band plan online. 16:34.300 --> 16:36.180 You'll find billions of band plans. 16:36.540 --> 16:39.100 Yeah, but isn't 2.4 Wi-Fi? 16:39.100 --> 16:40.960 It is, but it's not licensed. 16:41.320 --> 16:41.620 Oh, it's not. 16:41.620 --> 16:43.360 Whoever produces it can do whatever they want with it. 16:43.600 --> 16:48.100 That's why you have, that's why you have Wi-Fi, they have cell, that's some wireless 16:48.100 --> 16:54.380 phones, intercoms, so much stuff runs on it that there, I mean, there's no, no one 16:54.380 --> 16:55.060 person owns it. 16:55.360 --> 16:56.080 It's unlicensed. 16:56.460 --> 17:00.440 Up to a certain point, you can't, or actually, no, I think, I'll take that back, I think 17:00.440 --> 17:01.820 anyone can do whatever they want with it. 17:02.480 --> 17:04.860 So, and the other, so, here's how part 15 comes in. 17:04.860 --> 17:09.040 Well, wait, wait, before you go there, let's stick with this 2.4, just, just to clarify. 17:09.100 --> 17:15.380 Something here, because basically what you're telling me is a standard emerged, because 17:15.380 --> 17:22.220 obviously wireless took off, 802.11 took off, and we started developing and using it, but 17:22.220 --> 17:30.000 technically it is not reserved via the FCC to only be used by manufacturers of wireless 17:30.000 --> 17:34.200 products, or excuse me, wireless networking, I should say, specifically. 17:34.480 --> 17:41.080 That is why, as you mentioned, cordless phones, so some of the 2.4 MHz cordless phone, that's 17:41.080 --> 17:44.740 why you have interference, and that's why tech support always tells you unplug your 17:44.740 --> 17:48.480 phones and, you know, make sure there's no interference from a 2.4 in your house and stuff 17:48.480 --> 17:48.860 like that. 17:48.920 --> 17:54.360 Is that coincidentally, that two standards kind of arose at the same time, and now they're 17:54.360 --> 17:55.760 in kind of a conflict with each other? 17:55.760 --> 18:00.460 No, it's just the fact that that certain point, which is somewhat useful, it's just 18:00.460 --> 18:05.420 a nice point, it's a nice, I guess it's a nice way to, where to manufacture at, from 18:05.420 --> 18:09.140 a manufacturing standpoint, and because it doesn't, no one owns it, so no one can complain, 18:09.760 --> 18:13.080 let's take it for the ham radio, classic ham radio incident. 18:13.520 --> 18:14.760 You sit down, you're going to watch TV. 18:15.480 --> 18:19.340 You have neighbors moving, and you turn your TV on, you get all this crazy thatching on your 18:19.340 --> 18:22.660 TV, and all this crap on your TV, and you're like, why is this going on? 18:22.660 --> 18:25.020 You realize your neighbor is a ham radio operator. 18:25.900 --> 18:30.900 What happened is, he starts transmitting, and it messes up your TV set, because of interference 18:30.900 --> 18:31.460 he's producing. 18:32.160 --> 18:33.540 What are you going to do about it? 18:33.860 --> 18:34.660 Kick his ass. 18:34.960 --> 18:35.180 Huh? 18:35.360 --> 18:37.920 I'm going to go over there, and I'm going to kick his ass and kill his dog. 18:38.160 --> 18:46.320 You can't, because a TV, along with a shitload of other things these days, is what the FCC 18:46.320 --> 18:50.960 likes to call, or a lot of people that know the lingo like to call, a Part 15 device. 18:50.960 --> 18:54.020 And Stank says, what the hell's a Part 15 device? 18:54.260 --> 18:56.120 What the hell's a Part 15 device? 18:56.560 --> 19:01.400 Part 15 device is, if you look at a CD player, any of those, any consumer electronics today, 19:01.760 --> 19:08.560 that might, in the oddest case, produce some weird-ass, funky radio interference, they still 19:08.560 --> 19:09.340 have the sticker on it. 19:09.780 --> 19:14.740 Turn over your CD player, find some electronic, hold it in your hand, flip it around, you see 19:14.740 --> 19:15.080 a sticker. 19:15.440 --> 19:17.200 The sticker is printed on almost everything. 19:17.200 --> 19:22.180 It says, this device complies with the Part 15 device, and it has two rules. 19:22.780 --> 19:29.000 Two main rules is, it will never produce interference, and if it ever has interference 19:29.000 --> 19:30.900 given to it, it must accept it. 19:32.260 --> 19:34.920 So, how is this tying to RFID? 19:35.860 --> 19:38.180 Well, first of all, we're about the TV scenario. 19:38.600 --> 19:44.580 Since it interferes, you can have no recourse, because it has to accept the interference. 19:44.580 --> 19:49.100 There's no other thing, it was sold to accept the interference, unless, and the other thing 19:49.100 --> 19:54.360 is it's a convenience for the producer of the electronic, so they don't have to go through 19:54.360 --> 19:59.860 other bullshit to figure out how to make the thing more shielding and so on. 20:00.500 --> 20:00.600 So. 20:01.060 --> 20:03.780 Well, when you, there's no legal recourse is what you mean. 20:03.880 --> 20:06.840 Yeah, there's no legal, there's much of a legal recourse. 20:07.620 --> 20:12.200 Stank just mentioned, EG, killing their dog, but we really don't want to do that. 20:12.800 --> 20:14.240 Can I, can I kick the dog? 20:14.580 --> 20:15.660 Maybe, you know, it's all. 20:15.660 --> 20:16.600 Can I spit on the dog? 20:16.840 --> 20:19.340 If he goes on your property, hey, clear game. 20:20.980 --> 20:22.920 I'm not a lawyer, I only play one on radio. 20:23.600 --> 20:27.440 Anyways, how is this related to RFIDs? 20:27.760 --> 20:32.040 Well, Jaga said in his email, he is kick-ass by the way, he knows his shit. 20:32.200 --> 20:33.140 Oh yeah, definitely. 20:33.420 --> 20:38.800 He says RFID, which I kind of, I thought maybe it was their part-tracing device. 20:39.280 --> 20:43.660 As I just said, they can produce interference, they will not produce interference, but mind 20:43.660 --> 20:45.740 you, they'd be there on the 13.56. 20:46.160 --> 20:46.460 Right. 20:47.120 --> 20:48.720 But they must accept interference. 20:49.040 --> 20:51.320 But doesn't everything have to accept interference? 20:51.840 --> 20:52.180 Yes. 20:52.860 --> 20:56.000 There's no, the thing, this makes it, there's no difference between this and anything else. 20:56.180 --> 20:56.540 Okay. 20:56.540 --> 21:00.840 So, this goes back to an article I'm going to write soon, you know, I'm going to, it's 21:00.840 --> 21:03.280 under wraps, it's covered up, but we'll get to it. 21:03.620 --> 21:06.040 Well, we'll leave, that's 1.3 material. 21:06.300 --> 21:07.300 That's, yeah, that's 1.3. 21:07.300 --> 21:10.120 You, you, you, you're going to salivate over that stuff, it's cool. 21:10.700 --> 21:12.420 Anyways, think Chuck E. Cheese. 21:13.080 --> 21:19.260 Anyways, you got, uh, uh, you got your part, you got your RFID tag, your tiny little thing 21:19.260 --> 21:23.800 holding your hand, and you, it's transmitting itself and its location, not its location, 21:23.900 --> 21:25.820 but it's transmitting, but I'm in the store right now. 21:25.820 --> 21:30.880 So, and you, you can build it, as I think Chuck E. said, without a couple parts, the 21:30.880 --> 21:37.720 blocker for it, and as long as it doesn't, like, isn't overpowering, up to the point 21:37.720 --> 21:42.380 where the FCC says, uh, no, you can't do that, and they slap you with a fine, I've seen 21:42.380 --> 21:48.300 it happen, I've seen it happen, I've heard it happen, and it's painful, they will fine 21:48.300 --> 21:50.160 you because you've been transmitting with too much power. 21:50.580 --> 21:54.440 But that, that's a general FCC rule or FCC law, right? 21:54.440 --> 21:59.640 I mean, there's nothing specific to 13.56, but if you try to broadcast anything at too 21:59.640 --> 22:06.420 high power, so, technically by the letter of the law, it sounds like, would it be, if 22:06.420 --> 22:10.880 I were to make a very low frequency jammer or blocker of some kind? 22:11.300 --> 22:12.720 Same frequency, low power. 22:13.200 --> 22:13.780 Low power. 22:13.900 --> 22:14.440 Yeah, low power. 22:14.780 --> 22:15.780 It's a low frequency device. 22:16.180 --> 22:16.440 Yeah. 22:16.580 --> 22:16.940 Low power. 22:17.400 --> 22:18.060 I misspoke. 22:18.160 --> 22:18.780 Low power. 22:19.440 --> 22:24.220 I could legally carry that on my person when I go into the stores and jam those signals. 22:24.440 --> 22:24.700 Yes. 22:25.200 --> 22:28.420 And there's no legal recourse they can take or anything they can do about it. 22:28.640 --> 22:30.280 Because they had to accept it. 22:30.660 --> 22:37.700 So, as we're going to work on, they're going to roll around with this little device, and 22:37.700 --> 22:43.040 they can't do shit because they had to accept the interference, and you're saved. 22:43.040 --> 22:46.120 And so, let me think here. 22:47.060 --> 22:48.280 That's basically just of it. 22:48.400 --> 22:49.620 So, you can have this little thing around here. 22:49.920 --> 22:55.000 So, another thing about that limit, what I think another part of the law dictates, you 22:55.000 --> 22:59.840 can only use the amount of power, like for hammering an operator, that you need to accomplish 22:59.840 --> 23:00.440 the task. 23:00.980 --> 23:05.820 So, if it takes me only a half watt to hit my repeater, then I'm only really allowed 23:05.820 --> 23:10.340 to use a half watt, and I'm not allowed to use like 500 watts, and then overpower the 23:10.340 --> 23:13.980 repeater and everything else in the neighborhood, and blow up some cats. 23:14.100 --> 23:15.500 I mean, it's bad. 23:15.920 --> 23:16.100 Hmm. 23:16.520 --> 23:23.020 So, in any event, yeah, you could, and they can't do anything about it, because when they 23:23.020 --> 23:26.840 find out that half their shoes are missing, because you're standing by the shoes, they 23:26.840 --> 23:27.600 can't do anything about it. 23:28.180 --> 23:32.340 So, is there a secret frequency at which point cats detonate? 23:32.440 --> 23:33.380 Is that what you're... 23:33.380 --> 23:37.160 Well, you know, that's speculation, because since they're made a lot of water, and we're 23:37.160 --> 23:38.040 made a lot of water... 23:38.040 --> 23:38.380 Right. 23:38.380 --> 23:43.540 At 2.4 gigahertz, that's the resonant frequency of water. 23:43.540 --> 23:47.440 Remember, all you little kids, you see 4X and you little hack and slash, go read about 23:47.440 --> 23:51.320 resonant frequency when you get around to physics, which means, I'll save it for the 23:51.320 --> 23:54.060 older guys that, because they don't want to go read their textbooks. 23:54.500 --> 24:00.520 Resonant frequency is where something vibrates, so like a string on one of Het Bland's guitars, 24:01.220 --> 24:05.900 it resonates at a frequency and produces that sound, and with enough power it breaks. 24:05.900 --> 24:10.700 So, like, you know, when the opera singer breaks a glass, she's at the right frequency 24:10.700 --> 24:13.040 for the molecules to vibrate, not to break. 24:13.540 --> 24:19.440 So, if you aim enough juice at someone at 2.4 gigahertz, the water in their body starts 24:19.440 --> 24:20.640 to vibrate, you might melt. 24:23.060 --> 24:23.560 That would suck. 24:23.800 --> 24:24.480 Yeah, that would suck. 24:24.560 --> 24:25.500 So, you know, blowing up cats. 24:26.280 --> 24:26.640 Hmm. 24:28.020 --> 24:29.360 Boy, you know, how did we... 24:29.360 --> 24:32.820 Somehow, we're killing dogs and cats so far in this episode. 24:32.980 --> 24:33.280 What... 24:33.280 --> 24:36.740 I blame video games and Marilyn Manson. 24:37.180 --> 24:37.480 Yeah. 24:37.760 --> 24:39.000 Someone else's fault, not mine. 24:39.080 --> 24:39.760 I blame Duel. 24:39.760 --> 24:41.480 Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. 24:41.520 --> 24:42.200 I blame Duel, too. 24:42.260 --> 24:43.020 I changed my answer. 24:43.640 --> 24:44.580 I want to change my answer. 24:46.840 --> 24:48.360 Well, how about this? 24:48.440 --> 24:49.220 Why... 24:49.220 --> 24:50.860 Okay, so... 24:50.860 --> 24:53.020 Actually, let me give you a two-part question here. 24:53.020 --> 25:02.860 One, if 2.4 is freely available, public is not reserved for Wi-Fi or for cordless phones 25:02.860 --> 25:08.260 or something, A, why didn't they reserve a range to use for this? 25:08.320 --> 25:13.700 Why didn't they go through the process of contacting the FTCC and saying, I need a bandwidth 25:13.700 --> 25:18.440 around this area to develop this technology? 25:19.000 --> 25:25.980 And B, since they chose to go in this free open range, why did, if you knew Wi-Fi was coming 25:25.980 --> 25:31.180 out or the cordless phone came first, whichever one, if you knew somebody else was already working 25:31.180 --> 25:38.680 and experimenting in 2.4, why not go to 2.5 or 2.44372 or something, you know? 25:38.680 --> 25:43.480 Well, why did they go somewhere where they knew that development was already going on? 25:43.880 --> 25:44.600 Called money. 25:46.000 --> 25:51.460 Well, money's the root of everything, all the problems, but elaborate, please. 25:51.880 --> 25:52.240 All right. 25:52.420 --> 25:55.740 As you know, the IEEE, is that a non-for-profit organization? 25:56.960 --> 25:57.740 It might be. 25:58.100 --> 25:59.920 In any case, they don't have a lot of money. 26:00.680 --> 26:04.920 They made that standard just as Ethernet, just as everything else, to... 26:04.920 --> 26:09.660 It's for the public, for the net citizens of the world to use. 26:10.320 --> 26:17.280 2.4, the 802.11 piece part, that law, that specification, they're not going to do anything 26:17.280 --> 26:17.540 with it. 26:17.640 --> 26:18.520 No one owns that. 26:18.980 --> 26:20.960 They're not going to go through the trouble of a free thing. 26:22.140 --> 26:23.040 So let's say they did. 26:23.420 --> 26:28.160 Let's say they went out, they said, okay, FCC, let us have some, a couple megahertz of bandwidth 26:28.160 --> 26:29.280 and, you know, we'll be happy. 26:29.760 --> 26:33.320 Well, they're going to charge up the ass because somehow they own the airwaves. 26:33.320 --> 26:39.400 That's why, like, a radio company, broadcast radio, they have to pay a shitload of money 26:39.400 --> 26:43.680 every month to the people over the FCC to allow them to use that. 26:43.960 --> 26:48.680 And if they mess up, as I mentioned before, they have too much power, they get slapped 26:48.680 --> 26:49.100 with a fine. 26:49.800 --> 26:51.760 FCC comes down there and say, no. 26:52.220 --> 26:56.860 And they hit you in the face and they stick a sticker on there and they say, pay us $10,000 26:56.860 --> 27:00.660 or we're sending you for $10,000 because you mess with our stuff. 27:00.660 --> 27:01.100 All right. 27:01.160 --> 27:02.020 Where do they put the stick? 27:02.020 --> 27:03.420 On your ass. 27:03.540 --> 27:04.860 Oh, and that's not cool. 27:05.020 --> 27:05.240 Yeah. 27:06.920 --> 27:07.320 Man. 27:07.440 --> 27:08.560 You ripped the skin off, too. 27:08.920 --> 27:09.400 You know what? 27:09.460 --> 27:14.140 I'm going to stay away from messing around with the airwaves because that stick up the 27:14.140 --> 27:15.320 ass sounds kind of uncomfortable. 27:15.480 --> 27:18.840 Yeah, this is worse than RA because, see, the RA just fakes what they do. 27:19.420 --> 27:21.340 These guys actually do do this stuff. 27:22.160 --> 27:23.480 You said do do. 27:24.580 --> 27:24.940 Silly. 27:24.940 --> 27:26.560 All right. 27:26.560 --> 27:31.480 So let's bring this back down to the specific topic we were talking about, and that's RFID 27:31.480 --> 27:32.540 at 13.56. 27:33.240 --> 27:38.700 So to recap, now that we've got a good global understanding and everybody listening, I think 27:38.700 --> 27:42.560 that was really a good overall fundamental basis there. 27:42.560 --> 27:45.400 Let's come back to the specific example. 27:46.900 --> 27:55.340 I can create a low-power device as long as I don't break FCC limits or rules and jam anything 27:55.340 --> 27:57.540 that is in the publicly accessible area. 27:57.540 --> 28:04.180 So can I also, just like jamming 13.56, could I also carry a device to jam 2.4 since that 28:04.180 --> 28:05.420 is also not reserved? 28:05.800 --> 28:06.740 Then you can do whatever you want. 28:06.900 --> 28:07.460 All right. 28:07.660 --> 28:09.020 As long as it's at low power. 28:09.380 --> 28:12.000 You search, what did I search for before? 28:12.540 --> 28:14.820 One term, I don't remember. 28:15.360 --> 28:22.420 There is a list of all the, or you search for part 15 on Google and you get some links 28:22.420 --> 28:26.300 and you're looking for, or no, you search part 15 law, I think. 28:26.300 --> 28:31.860 Actually, Jaga sent me a good link, too, and maybe I'll, if I remember, I'll try to post 28:31.860 --> 28:35.660 that up, that tells all the details about it, so. 28:35.820 --> 28:41.580 Part 15, ARRL, and that gives the ARRLs, the radio dudes, they're cool dudes because they 28:41.580 --> 28:45.660 really kind of help out with the whole, they're the amateur radio guys, they're kind of like 28:45.660 --> 28:48.100 the front man for all of us, all of our ham radio operators. 28:48.540 --> 28:55.240 Scroll down a wee bit, and about halfway, you get a list of what I like to call the, where 28:55.240 --> 28:59.140 is it, the restricted bands of operation. 28:59.140 --> 29:05.820 A, except as shown in the paragraph, and D, of this section, only spurious admissions 29:05.820 --> 29:08.820 are permitted in any of the frequency bands below. 29:09.340 --> 29:14.840 This means, if you transmit on here, and it's not, if you're intentionally doing it, like 29:14.840 --> 29:19.040 I'm going to transmit on whatever, and I'm going to mess up with someone, it is illegal. 29:20.080 --> 29:20.920 Guess what's not here? 29:21.380 --> 29:21.920 What's that? 29:22.120 --> 29:23.060 13.56. 29:23.380 --> 29:23.820 Surprise! 29:24.440 --> 29:25.320 Guess what also's not here? 29:25.500 --> 29:26.220 2.4. 29:26.220 --> 29:26.660 Exactly. 29:27.240 --> 29:28.160 Scroll down some more. 29:29.220 --> 29:35.380 We get the, where is it, let's see where I saw it here, unlicensed Part 15 bands. 29:35.740 --> 29:36.420 Guess what is here? 29:36.860 --> 29:37.600 And what is that? 29:38.220 --> 29:39.380 3.56. 29:39.920 --> 29:40.660 13.56. 29:40.700 --> 29:41.440 13 point, right. 29:41.660 --> 29:42.880 And 2.4. 29:42.880 --> 29:49.040 All right, so, technically, by the letter of the law, there's nothing stopping me from 29:49.040 --> 29:53.620 doing what I mentioned earlier, making a little low-power device, you know, I'll put it on 29:53.620 --> 29:57.300 my keychain, carry it around with me everywhere I go so that RFID can't track me. 29:57.420 --> 29:57.740 Exactly. 29:57.740 --> 30:03.080 My own personal little, uh, uh, what do they call those things on Star Trek, little shield, 30:03.260 --> 30:08.960 little, uh, make a little purple, a little invisible bubble around myself where radio 30:08.960 --> 30:11.140 frequency or RFID will not affect me. 30:11.420 --> 30:11.740 There you go. 30:11.780 --> 30:15.040 But what if we were to take this a step bigger, a step larger? 30:15.040 --> 30:20.420 As long as we stay within that FCC limit, whatever that is, what do you think would 30:20.420 --> 30:23.380 be the largest that I could make without getting caught? 30:23.500 --> 30:29.480 Could I make one, if I made one smart, big, uh, low enough power, but to block my personal 30:29.480 --> 30:31.980 body from RFID tags? 30:32.040 --> 30:37.060 I know this is, I'm, I'm definitely using poor terminology here, but I'm trying to speak 30:37.060 --> 30:39.180 in normal English about this. 30:39.200 --> 30:43.740 If I want to protect myself, I make a low-power device to block, to block those RFID. 30:43.740 --> 30:46.620 What if I wanted to block my entire house? 30:47.060 --> 30:48.620 How much power would that take? 30:48.780 --> 30:55.420 And will that also be, um, will I be safe from the FCC if I powered my house? 30:55.660 --> 30:58.540 What if I powered my neighborhood to protect them from RFID? 30:58.820 --> 30:59.960 What if I powered my city? 31:00.060 --> 31:05.840 Where is that power limit, uh, based on your experience and your estimation, you know, how 31:05.840 --> 31:11.700 much, how much could I, as a single individual, protect without crossing the FCC's boundaries and 31:11.700 --> 31:12.840 getting the stick up my ass? 31:12.840 --> 31:13.960 I'm looking now. 31:14.460 --> 31:19.300 Oh, it's all very, uh, you see, it's, uh, it comes down to the point of where you're 31:19.300 --> 31:23.240 transmitting, how much you're transmitting, or two points, how, where you're, where you're 31:23.240 --> 31:23.880 transmitting, how much. 31:24.340 --> 31:29.500 If you're transmitting a wide band, so you're covering, like, 10 megahertz and really powerful, 31:29.820 --> 31:31.040 yeah, they're going to find you pretty quick. 31:31.260 --> 31:31.560 Okay. 31:31.560 --> 31:36.640 Now, if you're transmitting at a single frequency, pretty high power, it might take a little longer 31:36.640 --> 31:37.720 like you're doing a pirate radio. 31:38.020 --> 31:38.380 Right. 31:39.080 --> 31:42.500 If you're trying to be low power, it's very hard. 31:42.820 --> 31:46.580 They say here, or a definition, high power intentional radiators. 31:46.900 --> 31:50.980 These devices are authorized in intentional, intentional emitters, as in, they're going 31:50.980 --> 31:53.280 to transmit on this, and no, and they're meant to. 31:53.280 --> 31:59.300 So, on some bands, 2.3 gigahertz, using spread spectrum, 2.4 gigahertz, spread spectrum, that's 31:59.300 --> 32:01.140 what a, that's what a Wi-Fi card is. 32:01.280 --> 32:01.520 Right. 32:01.620 --> 32:06.460 A lot of phones, for better quality, for example, they can use up to levels of one watt. 32:06.580 --> 32:08.600 That's what you hear on all the boards, don't go over one watt. 32:08.760 --> 32:09.240 One watt. 32:09.320 --> 32:09.480 Yeah. 32:10.720 --> 32:11.540 But that's high power. 32:11.840 --> 32:16.080 So, with one watt of power, if that's the theoretical limit here. 32:16.660 --> 32:18.780 That's the high, I'm still looking for another limit. 32:19.120 --> 32:20.040 But, yeah, go off of that. 32:20.040 --> 32:23.720 Just for point, just for argument's sake, I take whatever the limit is, let's just say 32:23.720 --> 32:30.920 it's one for ease of talking about it, I can, using that much power, block 13.56 as 32:30.920 --> 32:35.800 far as I can on one watt, and protect as many people as I can from being tracked. 32:36.520 --> 32:37.460 Is that correct? 32:37.720 --> 32:37.940 Yep. 32:38.760 --> 32:47.420 On the same token, if I wanted to be, if I wanted to be disruptive, if I wanted to cause 32:47.420 --> 32:54.140 trouble, if I wanted to cross a line, I could go to, say, let's say Walmart did go back 32:54.140 --> 32:55.440 on with the RFID in retail. 32:55.580 --> 32:58.300 I could sit in a parking lot and jam their whole building up. 32:59.300 --> 32:59.520 Right. 32:59.640 --> 33:00.940 Sounds like it when the law says. 33:01.260 --> 33:04.900 Or is there going to be, I bet you there's some other law that's going to cover them from 33:04.900 --> 33:05.140 doing it. 33:05.140 --> 33:06.860 Of course, if you get caught, assuming you get caught. 33:06.960 --> 33:07.840 I'm looking for it right now. 33:07.840 --> 33:10.880 But you could probably go in and mess them up for 10 or 15 minutes before they ever figure 33:10.880 --> 33:12.200 what, probably longer than that. 33:12.260 --> 33:13.760 They don't know what the hell's going on. 33:14.820 --> 33:19.200 And on the same token, even worse, if you really wanted to sabotage a business or something 33:19.200 --> 33:24.200 like that, not that I'm condoning going out and doing this, we're speaking from the standpoint 33:24.200 --> 33:28.900 of knowledge here, what you could and couldn't do, and the possibilities are, I could build 33:28.900 --> 33:39.620 a jammer with that same one limit and go and aim for 2.4 and take down their wireless network. 33:40.980 --> 33:41.840 Is that true? 33:42.180 --> 33:42.360 Yep. 33:43.900 --> 33:50.740 So, if, you know, whoever, I don't know, Walmart or, we've been bashing on Walmart a lot. 33:51.060 --> 33:52.400 We've already got Project Walmart Freedom. 33:52.520 --> 33:54.420 Let me pick, let's go with Target or somebody else. 33:54.460 --> 33:56.200 If I wanted to go, they pissed me off. 33:56.200 --> 33:59.940 If they didn't give me that wonderful job I wanted mopping the floors on third shift, 34:00.120 --> 34:06.560 I could go in there and I could aim at their 2.4 and jam their registers or whatever their 34:06.560 --> 34:13.780 wireless is, and by the letter of the law, by the limits of the technology, that could 34:13.780 --> 34:14.220 be done. 34:14.480 --> 34:15.640 And it wouldn't be that difficult? 34:17.340 --> 34:20.720 Well, it'd be difficult to, you know, make that transmitter, but after that, no. 34:21.020 --> 34:21.340 Right. 34:21.340 --> 34:27.160 Well, that's, that's, you know, a really cool possibility, but do you think any of these 34:27.160 --> 34:30.860 people are aware of that vulnerability and the possibility that they could be taken down 34:30.860 --> 34:31.400 that easily? 34:32.260 --> 34:33.100 I would think. 34:33.780 --> 34:34.820 I don't know. 34:34.880 --> 34:35.800 I don't think they would be. 34:36.300 --> 34:43.040 If I were to go to one of these places and do that, I don't think they'd have a clue what 34:43.040 --> 34:43.480 was going on. 34:43.520 --> 34:46.500 They'd be rebooting the servers and they'd be calling all kinds of places. 34:46.500 --> 34:50.080 They wouldn't have a clue what was causing it and that that potential was there. 34:50.940 --> 34:54.200 And if you told them after the fact, they still probably wouldn't get it, a lot of them. 34:54.580 --> 34:54.900 Hmm? 34:55.740 --> 34:57.000 Hopefully a lot of our listeners did. 34:57.040 --> 34:57.700 I'm sure they did. 34:59.000 --> 35:00.380 Wow, that was, that was really good. 35:00.440 --> 35:02.320 That was a lot of, that was some good information there. 35:02.580 --> 35:06.300 Transmission systems must meet the same requirements as direct sequence spread vector 35:06.300 --> 35:13.860 merits, including maximum power of up to one watt, dependent on equal, yeah, one watt 35:13.860 --> 35:16.860 sounds like their limit, and... 35:17.540 --> 35:18.520 But what about intent? 35:18.820 --> 35:22.220 If my, if my intent is malicious, does it matter? 35:23.040 --> 35:27.180 I don't see anything that is more criminal, but I mean, doesn't, I don't see any difference. 35:28.200 --> 35:33.240 I mean, obviously if I'm sitting in the parking lot of a, of a retail establishment or something 35:33.240 --> 35:35.600 with that device, I mean, I can't... 35:35.600 --> 35:40.320 A bar's going to go, but if you were close enough to jam it, then yeah, they really couldn't 35:40.320 --> 35:42.120 do anything because you're limited to one watt. 35:42.820 --> 35:43.220 Right. 35:43.860 --> 35:45.860 So... 35:45.860 --> 35:50.180 And have Jock, Jock, you know, email one of us, give us a scoop, I'm pretty sure it's 35:50.180 --> 35:55.040 one watt, maybe it's less, maybe it's more, but do you transmit one watt, I don't think 35:55.040 --> 35:55.640 they can touch you. 35:56.560 --> 35:56.740 Hmm. 35:57.760 --> 36:01.640 Well, again, if they, the other thing is, if they want you, they're going to get you. 36:01.740 --> 36:03.360 We've talked about that several times, too. 36:03.420 --> 36:05.360 They'll make some shit up if they really want to get you. 36:05.360 --> 36:10.140 Yeah, but they'll be like, oh, oh, you interfered with this microwave over here and it killed 36:10.140 --> 36:10.460 people. 36:10.700 --> 36:15.140 Oh, yeah, that's terrorist activity and we're going to put you in a terrorism watch or, 36:15.400 --> 36:16.940 you know, they can make shit up all they want. 36:17.000 --> 36:17.940 Yeah, let's keep rolling with here. 36:18.000 --> 36:19.240 We've got to, we've got to have some more show notes. 36:19.400 --> 36:23.220 Yeah, that's, well, you know what, that's, I don't know, that's, that's good stuff. 36:23.220 --> 36:26.540 I, I think this is already shaping up to be a great show and we haven't really gotten 36:26.540 --> 36:29.260 into any of the news or, or topics or anything like that. 36:29.740 --> 36:34.780 Um, actually, I still haven't talked about, um, and there's no point spending a lot of 36:34.780 --> 36:39.540 time on this, but the listeners, uh, probably know by now that we've updated the forums with 36:39.540 --> 36:40.100 new software. 36:40.280 --> 36:45.020 I, I was two generations behind in the software because there were some vulnerabilities that 36:45.020 --> 36:47.660 I wanted to avoid in the previous version. 36:47.660 --> 36:53.020 So I waited until this third version, 1.2 came out of Envision forums, Envision board 36:53.020 --> 36:53.460 software. 36:53.960 --> 36:58.700 And I just updated the, there are some vulnerabilities to it, but they're minor, uh, cosmetic. 36:58.900 --> 37:00.340 There's nothing, you know, detail. 37:00.480 --> 37:03.520 So I waited until that was stable before we upgraded to that. 37:03.620 --> 37:06.000 So we added a lot of new features. 37:06.360 --> 37:08.360 Most, most important. 37:08.480 --> 37:10.660 I think the one I like the best is the new calendar. 37:11.040 --> 37:13.800 I added all the radio shows I could think of quickly. 37:14.040 --> 37:16.440 And, um, bland is going to be doing a lot of work. 37:16.440 --> 37:19.540 Bland and Quizzler is going to be doing a lot of work, updating them and adding stuff 37:19.540 --> 37:24.620 like, uh, trying to work on some skins and do a lot of moderating on that. 37:25.040 --> 37:31.740 Um, but adding that calendar, I thought was phenomenal because now I can look on that calendar 37:31.740 --> 37:36.440 and know what show was on at what time and what date and when conventions are coming up. 37:36.560 --> 37:40.780 I've already added up to the end of this year for most of the things I could think of. 37:40.860 --> 37:43.060 Most of the stuff that I keep an eye on and watch for. 37:43.440 --> 37:45.480 2,600 meetings are out there to remind you. 37:45.480 --> 37:49.680 You can, you can practically, I don't know offhand if there's a print function, but it 37:49.680 --> 37:52.800 would be great if I could print that calendar off each month, beginning of the month, print 37:52.800 --> 37:55.900 it off and kind of look forward or look ahead to what's coming up. 37:56.000 --> 37:57.840 So I, I really like the calendar feature. 37:58.380 --> 38:03.140 Um, there's some other minor just administrative features that help us out a lot on our end. 38:03.700 --> 38:05.980 And, um, the only thing is we've got to get a new skin. 38:06.120 --> 38:09.820 That, that default skin, that white is just really intense on me right now. 38:09.860 --> 38:11.460 I want to get some darker colors in there. 38:11.460 --> 38:13.720 Um, so I'm real happy with the new forums. 38:14.360 --> 38:17.840 Um, also I have a little mini rant here to go on too. 38:17.920 --> 38:23.420 This week, I had, I had a video file that I wanted to watch. 38:24.100 --> 38:26.620 And yeah, I wanted to watch it pretty damn bad. 38:26.660 --> 38:29.480 I would have to want to watch it pretty damn bad to install this. 38:29.480 --> 38:32.300 But, but the damn thing, it was in real media. 38:32.520 --> 38:33.600 It was in real media format. 38:33.740 --> 38:34.960 It was an RM, real movie. 38:35.640 --> 38:38.320 And, yeah, I wanted to watch it. 38:38.360 --> 38:39.240 So I broke down. 38:39.340 --> 38:42.500 I swore this new machine, I wasn't going to install real on it. 38:42.500 --> 38:44.100 But it's the only way I could get this. 38:44.460 --> 38:45.880 And I had to install real. 38:46.440 --> 38:51.260 And, oh, it just reminded me how fucking bad I hate real media. 38:51.600 --> 38:52.720 I hate real networks. 38:52.820 --> 38:53.600 I hate real player. 38:53.720 --> 38:55.460 I hate everything that they do. 38:55.900 --> 38:57.740 I don't know why people use this thing. 38:58.220 --> 38:59.720 But it's just sickening. 39:00.760 --> 39:02.120 Anyway, I had this video. 39:02.520 --> 39:03.460 Just a little clip. 39:03.640 --> 39:04.640 And I wanted to watch it. 39:04.860 --> 39:09.160 And I went to real.com to download the stupid free player. 39:09.500 --> 39:12.360 Well, good luck trying to find the free player. 39:13.020 --> 39:16.580 When you get there, everything that pops up is free trial, free this, free... 39:16.580 --> 39:18.320 I clicked on the big, you know... 39:18.320 --> 39:20.040 What are you going to go to that site for? 39:20.180 --> 39:21.600 To download the fucking player. 39:22.060 --> 39:23.180 Damn it, I'm using the F word again. 39:23.360 --> 39:23.960 To download... 39:23.960 --> 39:25.320 Well, fuck it, I am going to use the F word. 39:25.320 --> 39:27.360 Don't download that fucking player, because that's what it is. 39:28.100 --> 39:29.540 And, of course, the big picture here. 39:29.660 --> 39:30.580 Click here to download. 39:31.060 --> 39:35.480 Well, it turns out that's a 14-day trial of the full-blown version. 39:35.560 --> 39:40.660 I guess the full real player you pay for on a monthly whatever to get access. 39:40.780 --> 39:42.120 Well, I don't want that shit. 39:42.560 --> 39:45.560 I just want one that I can play my local RM files in. 39:45.580 --> 39:46.560 I want the free one. 39:47.040 --> 39:50.380 And it's so freaking hard to find it on their site. 39:50.480 --> 39:51.700 They don't want you to find it. 39:52.620 --> 39:54.400 They want to sucker you into paying for it. 39:54.400 --> 39:57.460 If you don't read carefully and you just start clicking, you see free download. 39:57.620 --> 39:58.020 Click here. 39:58.480 --> 40:00.680 They want your name, your address, your email. 40:01.600 --> 40:03.140 And, you know, and I'm clicking through it. 40:03.180 --> 40:04.320 I also, it fooled me a little bit. 40:04.360 --> 40:05.420 I'm like, alright, what do you want all this shit? 40:05.440 --> 40:07.760 I'm putting in garbage name, email address. 40:07.860 --> 40:08.120 I don't care. 40:08.160 --> 40:08.940 I just want to download it. 40:08.940 --> 40:11.480 And it gets to the point where I wanted a credit card number. 40:11.480 --> 40:14.740 Now, why in the hell would you want a credit card number for free software? 40:15.260 --> 40:17.140 That's when I realized, oh, this isn't free. 40:17.220 --> 40:19.680 This is their full version, the free trial. 40:19.680 --> 40:24.220 So they want my credit card number to download this so they can start charging me after 14 days. 40:24.940 --> 40:34.820 I had to go back to the homepage and dig around and find this tiny little link that says click here for the free version of Real Player and download it. 40:34.820 --> 40:44.840 And then, I swear to God, they want every bit of information about you just to download this shit. 40:45.620 --> 40:46.760 They want your life story. 40:46.860 --> 40:48.200 They want your name, your address. 40:48.540 --> 40:53.180 I mean, I thought I was going to have to fax in a photocopy of my dick to get a copy of this fucking software. 40:54.080 --> 40:59.640 So once I install the damn thing, I always go to custom install. 41:00.020 --> 41:02.380 I want to see what everything is doing behind the scenes. 41:02.380 --> 41:11.560 Well, for God's sake, whatever you do, go to custom install on Real because the default install installs so much shit on your computer and so many options. 41:12.020 --> 41:16.460 When you go over there, they want to install links to this on your desktop. 41:16.640 --> 41:18.020 They want to put it in your start menu. 41:18.140 --> 41:19.820 They want to put it in your quick launch bar. 41:20.080 --> 41:23.000 They want to install a fucking AOL software and AOL links. 41:23.740 --> 41:26.320 Get this shit off my fucking computer. 41:26.740 --> 41:28.020 I hate this software. 41:28.240 --> 41:29.680 I absolutely hate Real. 41:29.680 --> 41:31.080 I despise them. 41:31.080 --> 41:35.280 And damn it, I hate it when I don't have a choice. 41:35.400 --> 41:37.460 If I wanted to watch this thing, you know what I'm going to do? 41:37.500 --> 41:41.320 I'm going to make one of my boxes a disposable box. 41:41.760 --> 41:44.940 And every month or two, I'm just going to wipe it, reinstall everything from scratch. 41:45.020 --> 41:46.320 I'm just going to leave that box over there. 41:46.680 --> 41:52.720 And in case I have to install stupid shit software like Real, I'll install it over there and then wipe it out later. 41:52.720 --> 41:56.980 Because I just do not want this thing to stay on my system all the time. 41:57.060 --> 41:58.960 It's evil. 41:58.960 --> 42:02.380 It's just evil, evil software from an evil company. 42:04.280 --> 42:06.340 I guess the worst movie of all time is... 42:06.340 --> 42:08.140 What's that? 42:08.400 --> 42:11.340 I guess the worst movie of all time is rated by... 42:11.340 --> 42:13.660 IMDB.com? 42:14.760 --> 42:15.040 Giggly. 42:15.040 --> 42:17.600 Giggly or whatever the hell that movie. 42:17.720 --> 42:18.560 I saw that. 42:18.600 --> 42:19.760 Somebody sent me an email of that. 42:20.060 --> 42:20.380 Giggly. 42:20.960 --> 42:23.160 And the next one from Justin McKillie. 42:23.960 --> 42:24.760 Richelle. 42:25.320 --> 42:26.160 You know what? 42:26.320 --> 42:32.700 As much as you guys make fun of me for being a fan of American Idol, I would never spend my money to go see that crappy movie. 42:32.800 --> 42:33.420 I mean, come on. 42:33.420 --> 42:36.640 I watch it because it's on the TV and it's free, you know. 42:36.820 --> 42:40.920 And I sit there and people are saying it's better than watching a lot of the other garbage that's on TV. 42:41.060 --> 42:43.780 So I take a lot of flack from Duel and Mute about it. 42:44.000 --> 42:47.720 But even I know better than to go see Justin DeKellie movie. 42:47.780 --> 42:48.360 Come on. 42:48.440 --> 42:50.540 The thing is, that got 2,657 votes. 42:51.080 --> 42:52.420 And that's a 1.4 rating. 42:53.340 --> 42:55.880 But Manos, The Hands of Fate. 42:56.120 --> 42:56.660 Great movie. 42:57.120 --> 42:58.500 Whatever the fuck that is. 42:58.600 --> 42:59.560 Oh, that's a... 42:59.560 --> 43:01.220 Boy, that's a stink-a-rama, dude. 43:01.300 --> 43:02.800 That's an old black and white... 43:02.800 --> 43:04.280 It's got a 1.6. 43:04.280 --> 43:04.960 Sci-fi thing. 43:05.840 --> 43:08.580 Because a rating of 1.6, but it's got more votes. 43:09.220 --> 43:11.760 So someone thought it was good and threw the balance off. 43:12.740 --> 43:16.020 It's one of those movies that's so bad, it's good. 43:17.140 --> 43:18.120 You know, that's... 43:18.120 --> 43:20.600 Actually, that's a Mystery Science Theater movie. 43:20.600 --> 43:21.600 A lot of those... 43:21.600 --> 43:24.040 A Mystery Science Theater, that's what they do. 43:24.640 --> 43:25.460 They find these... 43:25.460 --> 43:26.920 For the Mistys out there who already know. 43:27.020 --> 43:32.600 But for some of you who don't, Mystery Science Theater 3000 is a show where they parody these old... 43:32.600 --> 43:33.580 Oh, I wouldn't say parody. 43:34.060 --> 43:37.040 They take these old, old, really bad movies. 43:37.320 --> 43:42.080 And trust me, they find the stinkiest of the stinkiest movies that you can find. 43:42.180 --> 43:45.420 They take the movie, and at the bottom you'll see these chairs. 43:45.820 --> 43:46.400 It's like a... 43:46.400 --> 43:48.440 It's just superimposed on there. 43:48.740 --> 43:49.960 And then you see the three guys. 43:50.120 --> 43:51.120 They're supposed to be... 43:51.120 --> 43:52.980 It's just this stupid story, but it's so stupid. 43:53.360 --> 43:56.260 Basically, they just harass the movie and add little comments in it. 43:56.260 --> 43:57.540 Yeah, that's all they need to know. 43:57.880 --> 44:00.700 There is a little silly story, but yeah, basically they heckle the... 44:00.700 --> 44:01.580 They're not really heckling. 44:01.680 --> 44:05.100 They're just sitting there, three guys, watching a movie, and they just talk. 44:05.220 --> 44:06.100 And they go, you know what? 44:06.260 --> 44:07.360 This movie's really bad. 44:07.440 --> 44:08.660 And they basically make fun of it. 44:08.660 --> 44:15.420 They point out stupid flaws in the movie, and just the funniest comments, and it's hilarious. 44:16.540 --> 44:18.760 And it makes bad movies good. 44:19.440 --> 44:20.640 It makes them watchable. 44:20.960 --> 44:26.660 Anybody that can watch Mando's Hands of Fate without the Mystery Science Theater overlay... 44:27.360 --> 44:28.980 That's also what's great about... 44:28.980 --> 44:29.660 This is something... 44:30.420 --> 44:31.780 They do a good job with DVD. 44:31.920 --> 44:32.920 This is what DVD is for. 44:33.000 --> 44:36.480 They overlay the Mystery Science Theater stuff on the movie. 44:36.940 --> 44:43.240 Technically, on the Mystery Science Theater DVDs, you can watch the regular version of the movie... 44:43.240 --> 44:46.140 And the mystified version of the movie, which I think is really cool. 44:46.680 --> 44:47.000 Cool. 44:47.320 --> 44:48.720 I don't know anybody... 44:48.720 --> 44:50.560 Who the hell would not watch it with that, but... 44:50.560 --> 44:55.260 Yeah, I don't know who could watch Mando's Hands of Fate without the Misty version on it... 44:55.260 --> 44:57.400 Because it's god-awful. 44:58.080 --> 44:59.040 It is... 44:59.040 --> 45:00.580 It's bizarre. 45:00.580 --> 45:06.580 The little goat guy, and this guy's supposed to be the evil boss guy, and he's got these 45:06.580 --> 45:07.820 big handprints, and... 45:07.820 --> 45:09.160 Oh, I don't know. 45:09.220 --> 45:10.140 I don't even know where to go. 45:10.220 --> 45:13.500 If anybody out there hasn't seen Mando's Hands of Fate, I recommend it. 45:13.580 --> 45:14.200 Go check it out. 45:14.280 --> 45:15.420 This Mando's... 45:15.420 --> 45:16.700 This movie? 45:17.220 --> 45:19.480 It is a Mystery Science Theater 3000 copy of it. 45:20.360 --> 45:22.580 Well, yeah, they probably list it as... 45:22.580 --> 45:26.640 Like I said, they purposely pick bad movies, so... 45:26.640 --> 45:31.640 The first user comments about this, so bad the actress committed suicide the same year 45:31.640 --> 45:32.260 it was made. 45:32.640 --> 45:33.820 Oh, I don't know if that's true. 45:33.920 --> 45:34.380 I hope not. 45:34.480 --> 45:35.300 That's not... 45:35.300 --> 45:37.760 Let's go from a bad topic. 45:37.820 --> 45:40.620 Let's go from the bad movie to something good that I watched, actually. 45:41.500 --> 45:45.720 Nick 84 taped this for me because I am a big fan of George Orwell. 45:45.720 --> 45:52.360 I love George Orwell's Rourke, and on the BBC they had a documentary, a fake documentary 45:52.360 --> 45:58.200 for lack of a better term, and I can't get that over here because my cable company sucks 45:58.200 --> 46:05.300 rhinoceros ass, so Nick was good enough to record it for me, and I just watched that 46:05.300 --> 46:11.000 this weekend, and it was a wonderful, wonderful documentary, and the reason I say it's a fake 46:11.000 --> 46:20.220 documentary is because there is no real video or audio footage of George Orwell or Eric Blair. 46:21.080 --> 46:22.620 There is no actual footage. 46:22.720 --> 46:28.420 No one knows what he looks like or sounds like other than a few pictures and his memoirs 46:28.420 --> 46:29.080 and his writings. 46:29.080 --> 46:37.180 So they had an actor who played George Orwell, and they mixed it in with footage of... 46:37.180 --> 46:41.120 They did have footage and interviews with family and friends and relatives and things 46:41.120 --> 46:47.880 like that interspersed in, and any time that George Orwell was on the screen, it was the 46:47.880 --> 46:53.500 actor, but every word was written by Orwell in one of his writings or something like that. 46:53.500 --> 46:58.500 So every quote and every interview that he gave was his actual words, but we have no 46:58.500 --> 47:03.880 way of knowing what he actually sounded like or looked like on video because it doesn't 47:03.880 --> 47:04.280 exist. 47:04.460 --> 47:08.620 They were able to make this full-length documentary, I think it was like an hour and a half or something 47:08.620 --> 47:13.220 like that, of a person that we don't know. 47:14.200 --> 47:15.920 It was just, it's just amazing to me. 47:15.980 --> 47:21.460 We don't know that this man exists, per se, if it wasn't for his writing and records of 47:21.460 --> 47:23.700 him, and I thought that was just amazing. 47:23.840 --> 47:28.840 He did an excellent job, and I learned a lot of stuff I did not know about Orwell. 47:28.920 --> 47:34.500 What I know about him is what I've read in his novels, and in 1984, of course, a classic, 47:34.640 --> 47:40.240 one of the greatest, if not the greatest novel ever written, and Animal Farm, another fantastic 47:40.240 --> 47:47.780 novel, which I haven't read since high school, but geez, watching this and seeing kind of a 47:47.780 --> 47:53.380 biography, a history of what he went through in his life and stuff, I see now a lot of 47:53.380 --> 47:58.560 relevance of where he got these ideas from and how he developed these ideas and concepts. 47:58.780 --> 48:01.540 So it was really, really well done. 48:01.620 --> 48:08.200 If anybody has the opportunity to see this, if you get BBC, if you, well, if you live in 48:08.200 --> 48:12.200 England or you live somewhere outside of here where you can get access to it, definitely check 48:12.200 --> 48:12.600 that out. 48:12.660 --> 48:14.200 It was definitely worth watching. 48:16.460 --> 48:20.040 I don't know, I guess you can probably figure out, I'm sure they'll re-air it just like 48:20.040 --> 48:20.820 they do in the United States. 48:20.920 --> 48:21.920 I'm sure they rerun stuff. 48:22.440 --> 48:23.640 But really good. 48:23.720 --> 48:24.340 Check that out. 48:24.840 --> 48:28.620 I'm actually thinking of writing, I actually started writing a review of it. 48:29.800 --> 48:35.260 I don't know if people are going to be interested in reading a review because it's, over here in 48:35.260 --> 48:36.880 the United States anyway, it's very obscure. 48:37.020 --> 48:38.800 It's going to be tough to get a hold of to watch it. 48:38.800 --> 48:43.700 So, maybe, I wonder if I, I'm going to look for the next episode. 48:43.800 --> 48:47.800 I'm going to look between now and next episode to see if there's a way to order it on videotape 48:48.320 --> 48:49.640 or DVD or something like that. 48:50.780 --> 48:53.920 Of course, you'd need a region-free player because of all the, I'm not even going to go 48:53.920 --> 48:54.120 there. 48:55.880 --> 48:58.180 Yeah, geez, we still haven't gotten into real topics. 48:58.300 --> 48:59.520 I have one more thing to talk about. 49:01.540 --> 49:06.660 Finally, we've been dragging this out and talking about this for a long time, a year now, 49:06.660 --> 49:08.740 or even more, Hack TV. 49:09.760 --> 49:13.320 Well, finally, Hack TV is coming. 49:13.500 --> 49:14.700 I promise this time. 49:14.820 --> 49:15.660 It is coming. 49:16.180 --> 49:21.740 I have seen, and you have also seen, you can verify this for the people, it exists. 49:21.860 --> 49:22.700 We have a pilot. 49:22.820 --> 49:23.500 We have a teaser. 49:23.680 --> 49:24.240 We have a trailer. 49:24.360 --> 49:25.200 Whatever you want to call it. 49:25.600 --> 49:27.140 We have footage. 49:27.380 --> 49:28.480 We have all the test footage. 49:28.640 --> 49:29.940 Dual has gotten a lot of recordings. 49:30.140 --> 49:31.240 Mute's done some recordings. 49:31.400 --> 49:32.080 I've done some stuff. 49:32.560 --> 49:34.660 Basically, we've used those. 49:34.660 --> 49:35.460 We've been learning. 49:35.620 --> 49:37.740 We've been trying to figure out the whole video editing. 49:38.560 --> 49:43.840 Situ, who's doing most of it for us, doing wonderful work, and we finally got our standards 49:43.840 --> 49:44.240 together. 49:44.360 --> 49:48.900 We know how we're going to do it and approach it, and we are actually finally filming legitimate 49:48.900 --> 49:51.540 footage for Hack TV. 49:51.540 --> 49:56.540 So, anybody out there that wants to send stuff in, get in touch with me. 49:57.500 --> 50:02.640 Look in the forums, in the Hack TV, in the hacker media section on the forums, and you 50:02.640 --> 50:07.180 will find instructions and details of how to get these uploaded, where to put them, and 50:07.180 --> 50:07.780 stuff like that. 50:08.140 --> 50:09.400 It is coming soon. 50:09.600 --> 50:14.460 Hopefully, knock on wood, hopefully sometime in September, we will have something out. 50:14.500 --> 50:15.820 We will have the first episode out. 50:15.820 --> 50:18.320 And, um, Mute, you saw the trailer. 50:18.400 --> 50:18.920 What did you think? 50:19.100 --> 50:19.840 It was okay. 50:20.160 --> 50:23.780 You know, it's just the three movies that everyone has seen before. 50:24.240 --> 50:26.460 But we put them together. 50:26.560 --> 50:27.460 We had a little fun with it. 50:27.480 --> 50:28.220 We made them funny. 50:28.500 --> 50:29.820 And we have an intro. 50:29.960 --> 50:32.220 We have some openings, some graphics, and stuff like that. 50:32.640 --> 50:37.040 So, um, and the thing is, there are a bunch of different formats, and getting them all 50:37.040 --> 50:39.260 to work together, that's kind of the hardest part. 50:40.160 --> 50:41.960 So, I was very happy with it. 50:41.960 --> 50:42.700 I was very impressed. 50:42.820 --> 50:44.640 This is what stopped the first Tech TV. 50:45.080 --> 50:45.440 Exactly. 50:45.640 --> 50:47.280 Well, I guess this is still the first. 50:47.380 --> 50:49.440 It's just an ongoing pain in the ass. 50:50.300 --> 50:51.980 Um, boy, we're real low. 50:52.040 --> 50:53.780 I'm going to jump into a couple quick topics. 50:54.340 --> 50:56.660 Um, we might have to save some of this stuff for next week, obviously. 50:56.760 --> 50:57.660 I think you realize that. 50:58.540 --> 51:01.120 Um, we save everything here next week. 51:01.140 --> 51:01.720 No, we don't. 51:01.820 --> 51:04.480 This one, this one was from last week, and I wanted to talk about it then. 51:04.540 --> 51:07.020 I definitely am going to talk about it now, even though we're running low on time. 51:07.500 --> 51:12.500 Um, we have, there is a new bill from two Democratic congressmen, Howard Berman, who should 51:12.500 --> 51:14.500 get the permanent, I should give him like the, 51:14.640 --> 51:18.200 honorary fucknut of the month, fucknut of the century award, because he, 51:18.200 --> 51:19.540 Not honorary if he earned it. 51:19.760 --> 51:20.600 Yeah, well, you're right. 51:20.620 --> 51:21.020 He earned it. 51:21.140 --> 51:23.720 He's like a, the fucknut of the century then. 51:24.260 --> 51:24.960 Because he's always. 51:24.960 --> 51:25.580 It's like my magazine. 51:25.880 --> 51:26.420 That's what we'll do. 51:26.780 --> 51:28.760 The fourth of, every release of BinRev. 51:29.580 --> 51:30.380 One a year. 51:31.220 --> 51:32.820 Like Times, man of the year. 51:33.000 --> 51:34.440 Yeah, we can have the fucknut of the year. 51:34.520 --> 51:34.740 Yeah. 51:34.940 --> 51:35.860 And put him on the cover. 51:35.980 --> 51:37.540 Would we get sued if we used his likeness? 51:37.680 --> 51:38.760 I'm sure they'd come after us. 51:38.780 --> 51:39.640 But we'll make a caricature. 51:39.960 --> 51:40.420 Well, I don't know. 51:40.480 --> 51:41.420 He's a public figure. 51:41.520 --> 51:44.240 I don't think there's, I don't think there's any law against that. 51:44.440 --> 51:44.720 Yeah. 51:44.960 --> 51:45.300 I don't know. 51:45.340 --> 51:46.140 We might have to look into that. 51:46.180 --> 51:46.740 Could be a plan. 51:46.960 --> 51:47.980 We never did follow up. 51:47.980 --> 51:53.960 We were going to actually make up t-shirts that says, I am the winner of the DDP fucknut 51:53.960 --> 51:54.660 of the month award. 51:54.720 --> 51:57.240 And we were going to actually find their address and mail it to them. 51:58.120 --> 51:59.900 And I don't know if we're still going to do that or not. 52:00.060 --> 52:03.100 That's wasting money sending them a shirt for being an asshole. 52:03.340 --> 52:04.640 And they might wear it. 52:04.840 --> 52:07.880 Yeah, it'd be funny if we could actually videotape it somehow and see what their reaction. 52:07.880 --> 52:11.520 But since that's probably not really possible, no point in wasting. 52:13.440 --> 52:17.580 Well, this is Howard Berman and John Conyers Jr. 52:17.980 --> 52:21.300 have introduced a bill that would make, and this is mind-boggling. 52:21.380 --> 52:21.920 You know what? 52:21.920 --> 52:25.980 I'm going to end with this topic before we, because this is a great ending topic. 52:26.060 --> 52:27.020 It's going to piss me off. 52:27.080 --> 52:29.020 I'm going to get all worked and bent out of shape, worked up. 52:29.900 --> 52:36.380 They have introduced a bill that would make uploading a single unauthorized upload of 52:36.380 --> 52:40.320 a copywritten work, such as a song, mp3 basically is what this is. 52:40.340 --> 52:42.040 That's what he's always whining and bitching about. 52:42.040 --> 52:48.460 Now, they have introduced a bill that would make one upload a felony. 52:49.400 --> 52:50.440 A felony. 52:51.440 --> 52:56.820 If you upload a song and this bill passes, you are a felon. 52:57.940 --> 52:59.040 Not a misdemeanor. 52:59.400 --> 53:00.540 Not a slap on the wrist. 53:00.840 --> 53:01.780 You are a felon. 53:01.780 --> 53:05.160 Federal pound me in the ass prison felon. 53:05.160 --> 53:08.480 For uploading a song. 53:09.600 --> 53:14.680 I don't, you know, I don't know what runs through these people's heads. 53:15.640 --> 53:18.560 This thing is called, let me, what is the name of this thing? 53:18.600 --> 53:24.780 It's called the Author, Consumer, and Computer Owner Protection and Security Act of 2003. 53:24.780 --> 53:32.900 And the rationale behind this, they claim that uploading one song could cost the copyright owner 53:32.900 --> 53:35.540 thousands of dollars in lost revenue. 53:36.160 --> 53:42.660 This meets the 10-copy, $2,500 threshold for felonious copyright infringement and U.S. copyright law. 53:42.720 --> 53:45.120 Now, once again, I've talked about this before. 53:45.320 --> 53:46.360 The internet is borderless. 53:46.460 --> 53:50.480 The U.S. copyright laws, you know, I don't know how they're going to reach out to other countries. 53:50.480 --> 53:55.020 But just the concept of this is mind-numbing to me. 53:56.060 --> 53:57.520 They want to punish us. 53:58.280 --> 54:00.760 And they're trying, I mean, when I say they want to, they want to. 54:00.960 --> 54:03.020 They are trying to pass this bill. 54:03.300 --> 54:04.440 They spent time. 54:04.840 --> 54:07.580 These are people that we put in office and we voted into office. 54:07.720 --> 54:08.200 Well, not we. 54:08.320 --> 54:08.880 Somebody did. 54:10.300 --> 54:14.060 To spend our tax money and our time to make this law. 54:14.200 --> 54:15.700 And this is what they came up with. 54:15.700 --> 54:21.240 They want to punish us for something that could happen. 54:21.580 --> 54:22.360 It might happen. 54:22.740 --> 54:24.320 It might be uploaded by somebody. 54:24.400 --> 54:25.880 It might be downloaded and cause this. 54:26.600 --> 54:29.540 They're going to punish us for something that we have not done. 54:30.280 --> 54:31.240 We might do. 54:32.020 --> 54:33.260 It might not happen. 54:33.680 --> 54:37.140 Who knows if they download it from me or somebody else or 5,000 other peoples. 54:38.180 --> 54:43.560 Their rationale is that it's going to cost, it could cost, the copyright owner, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 54:43.560 --> 54:47.980 They're making assumptions on intent and predicting the future. 54:49.480 --> 54:52.980 Now, this is about MP3s that they're focusing on. 54:53.040 --> 54:53.760 This is their solution. 54:54.080 --> 54:55.100 Where does this stop? 54:55.860 --> 55:01.360 You know, if I go to the store and buy, I don't know, fertilizer or something, 55:01.580 --> 55:05.380 does that mean I could use that to make some type of explosive? 55:05.540 --> 55:08.120 So, therefore, let's put me as a felon, too. 55:08.180 --> 55:10.340 Anybody that buys fertilizer, you're a felon. 55:10.460 --> 55:12.200 If you buy charcoal, you're a felon. 55:12.200 --> 55:15.960 If you buy fireworks, you're a felon because you might do something bad with them 55:15.960 --> 55:19.220 and we don't want you to do that because I'm Howard Berman 55:19.220 --> 55:21.780 and I don't want you to do anything wrong, so I'm going to stop it. 55:22.120 --> 55:23.020 Wasn't there a movie? 55:23.740 --> 55:28.380 Wasn't there some sci-fi movie with, what's his name, the Jerry Maguire guy? 55:28.480 --> 55:28.980 What's his name? 55:30.200 --> 55:30.840 Tom Cruise? 55:31.020 --> 55:31.260 Yeah. 55:31.360 --> 55:36.160 Wasn't there a movie where they arrested him for something he was going to do in the future 55:36.160 --> 55:37.000 or something like that? 55:37.000 --> 55:37.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 55:38.380 --> 55:43.900 Because they thought, they knew he was going to do it from the crazy predictor people. 55:44.220 --> 55:45.320 I never saw the movie. 55:45.520 --> 55:46.300 Okay, so yes. 55:46.420 --> 55:47.720 Well, it's not a movie anymore. 55:48.420 --> 55:52.580 They are trying to arrest us for something that might happen. 55:53.900 --> 55:55.020 It could happen. 55:55.120 --> 55:55.800 Sure it could. 55:56.180 --> 55:57.960 And monkeys could fly out of my ass. 55:58.020 --> 56:00.560 That doesn't mean you're going to, you know, I'm not going to tape my ass shut. 56:00.640 --> 56:02.120 That could get painful after a while. 56:02.120 --> 56:08.180 These people are predicting the future, and they're going to punish us for something that 56:08.180 --> 56:17.140 we haven't done, might not ever do, might not even be, you know, I don't even, I'm getting 56:17.140 --> 56:17.620 worked up. 56:17.720 --> 56:19.960 I knew I was going to get, I can't fucking believe this. 56:20.620 --> 56:24.080 What kind of pathetic country do we live in? 56:24.080 --> 56:31.360 What kind of civilization do we live in where, if this gets passed, where they're punishing 56:31.360 --> 56:35.540 us for something that could happen or might happen, or, this is devastating. 56:35.740 --> 56:38.040 I mean, this is, this is ridiculous. 56:39.600 --> 56:41.620 I mean, I know what their intent is. 56:41.940 --> 56:47.040 I know the whole copyright, you know, there's both sides to the story, and I'm not justifying 56:47.040 --> 56:48.700 or authorizing either side. 56:48.700 --> 56:55.020 I'm not taking a side, I'm not even debating the topic, but it is mind-numbingly stupid 56:55.020 --> 57:03.100 to punish somebody for something that they have not done, that they might do, that they 57:03.100 --> 57:07.440 could do, oh, I think he might, you know what, mute, I think you might come over here and 57:07.440 --> 57:08.480 shoot me in my sleep tonight. 57:08.660 --> 57:11.540 I think I'm going to call the authorities and have you arrested, because you might do 57:11.540 --> 57:11.800 that. 57:14.340 --> 57:15.960 Where do, you know, this is ridiculous. 57:15.960 --> 57:21.440 This is, it's absolutely sickening, and they are pushing this, and they're spending our 57:21.440 --> 57:22.600 tax money to do it. 57:23.660 --> 57:25.660 This is what they spend their time on. 57:27.500 --> 57:28.280 I'm amazed. 57:28.440 --> 57:30.240 I'm just almost speechless. 57:30.520 --> 57:37.760 I'm never speechless, but I just, I can't say the F word enough to describe how I feel 57:37.760 --> 57:38.600 about this bastard. 57:41.260 --> 57:44.480 And, you know, and let's put it in perspective. 57:44.480 --> 57:45.680 Let's put this in perspective. 57:45.800 --> 57:49.600 Besides the fact that they're predicting a future of punishing, let's put this in perspective. 57:50.440 --> 57:51.840 What are you doing here? 57:52.920 --> 57:55.040 You're uploading a song. 57:56.140 --> 57:57.320 Big fucking deal. 57:57.420 --> 58:02.600 Christina Aguilera is still going to make 50 bazillion dollars with the bubblegum pop 58:02.600 --> 58:06.980 bullshit, regardless of whether these songs are being passed around. 58:07.360 --> 58:09.500 Record sales are as high as they've ever been. 58:09.600 --> 58:11.360 Record sales are still perfectly fine. 58:11.660 --> 58:13.240 Nobody has stopped making money. 58:13.240 --> 58:16.100 Everything is still going honky-dory, just like it always has. 58:16.640 --> 58:25.480 They're going to punish you as a felon, yet drug dealers and child molesters get three 58:25.480 --> 58:27.120 strikes and you're out rules. 58:28.120 --> 58:29.180 Here's another problem here. 58:29.180 --> 58:34.760 What's wrong with this picture when we let drug dealers roam the streets or get off with 58:34.760 --> 58:36.780 a slap on the wrist or have technicalities? 58:37.120 --> 58:43.960 We have stricter laws for fucking MP3s than we do to protect the hardworking American citizens 58:43.960 --> 58:47.020 in this country from legitimate threats. 58:47.140 --> 58:48.800 We're spending our time on MP3s. 58:48.800 --> 58:49.300 And why? 58:49.520 --> 58:55.300 Because the RAAA throws money at these politicians and they spend their time getting that money 58:55.300 --> 58:59.880 and working for them instead of working for the fucking people, which is what they were hired to do. 58:59.880 --> 59:02.840 There's another problem here. 59:03.420 --> 59:03.820 Shoot. 59:03.900 --> 59:04.740 There's so many problems. 59:04.840 --> 59:05.220 Go ahead. 59:05.420 --> 59:05.680 All right. 59:05.740 --> 59:06.840 So, you know, you got your... 59:06.840 --> 59:09.960 First of all, not everyone in the world... 59:09.960 --> 59:12.380 I can guarantee you not the many people that have... 59:12.380 --> 59:16.080 Do not outnumber the people that have a CD player. 59:17.540 --> 59:23.480 Many more people have CD players and very less have broadband internet access and all the 59:23.480 --> 59:25.140 stuff to effectively do this. 59:27.140 --> 59:30.060 There's still so many people that aren't using it. 59:30.540 --> 59:32.580 Yeah, it's a fraction of a percentage. 59:32.580 --> 59:34.780 It's such a small .000... 59:34.780 --> 59:36.220 It's not affecting anything. 59:36.720 --> 59:37.400 Yeah, I mean... 59:37.400 --> 59:40.340 The worst it's affecting is the internet bandwidth in general. 59:40.340 --> 59:45.900 More people complain about the fact that I can't get online and download pertinent information 59:45.900 --> 59:48.900 than downloading the two teeny-bop crap. 59:50.200 --> 59:54.960 Yeah, you know, I heard on the radio, on Clear Channel, I'm sure it probably fucking was, 59:55.040 --> 59:59.220 one of the radio stations on my car driving home the other day, I heard a commercial for 59:59.220 --> 01:00:00.260 Bell South DSL. 01:00:01.140 --> 01:00:03.660 Bell South DSL, always on, high-speed access. 01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:05.680 Now you can get online and do your online banking. 01:00:05.900 --> 01:00:07.480 You can check on bills. 01:00:07.660 --> 01:00:08.420 You can check on this. 01:00:08.420 --> 01:00:09.860 You can download MP3s. 01:00:10.340 --> 01:00:10.940 Wait a minute, what? 01:00:11.680 --> 01:00:14.600 Are you putting a commercial on the radio to download MP3s? 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:15.700 Isn't that illegal? 01:00:15.820 --> 01:00:20.560 How can this company sell that as a marketing ploy when, on the other hand, they're fighting 01:00:20.560 --> 01:00:24.120 and saying, oh, I guess they meant public domain free MP3. 01:00:24.160 --> 01:00:26.560 I'm sure they didn't mean peer-to-peer of any kind. 01:00:26.600 --> 01:00:28.260 I'm sure that's not what they insinuated, right? 01:00:29.340 --> 01:00:32.120 And just like this, you know, I went into this real bad. 01:00:32.240 --> 01:00:33.260 I'm going to stay calm. 01:00:33.300 --> 01:00:33.500 Hold on. 01:00:33.520 --> 01:00:34.120 I'm going to stay calm. 01:00:34.120 --> 01:00:38.880 Last RFA I went off on this, respectcopyrights.org. 01:00:39.600 --> 01:00:41.920 I saw this commercial again on television. 01:00:42.520 --> 01:00:44.660 It had been Ben Affleck, okay? 01:00:44.720 --> 01:00:49.380 And he's getting on there and he gave the same spiel about how, oh, the hard-working 01:00:49.380 --> 01:00:52.480 set designers aren't making the money because we're pirating this. 01:00:52.640 --> 01:00:53.660 First of all, I don't even do it. 01:00:53.660 --> 01:00:55.400 I hate watching movies on the computer. 01:00:56.020 --> 01:00:59.080 So this doesn't even really hit home to me as far as, you know, I'm a big pirate and 01:00:59.080 --> 01:00:59.680 that's why I'm mad. 01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:01.000 I don't even, couldn't care less. 01:01:01.080 --> 01:01:02.620 I just don't like the point. 01:01:02.700 --> 01:01:03.980 I think it's not a valid point. 01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:08.940 They're going to blame, you know, okay, the set designer and the painter and the costume, 01:01:09.120 --> 01:01:09.540 blah, blah, blah. 01:01:09.980 --> 01:01:12.280 You know, his line was something like this. 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:16.440 He said, not everybody in Hollywood is a highly paid actor or producer. 01:01:17.100 --> 01:01:20.080 Some of them are set designers and they're trying to make a living, blah, blah, blah. 01:01:20.080 --> 01:01:24.780 Now, I want to interrupt him and go, wait a minute, but excuse me, Mr. Affleck, you made 01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:27.440 like $10 million on Giggly Jiggly, right? 01:01:28.200 --> 01:01:29.660 Oh, no, no, that's not the point. 01:01:29.720 --> 01:01:31.320 That's not the point, Mr. Dog. 01:01:31.380 --> 01:01:32.420 That's not the point at all. 01:01:32.740 --> 01:01:37.320 What I'm trying to tell you is that not everybody is high-paid producer or actor. 01:01:37.420 --> 01:01:38.100 There are many people. 01:01:38.100 --> 01:01:41.480 Oh, excuse me, but just, you are a high-paid actor, am I correct? 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:43.560 Well, yes, I am, but that's not important here. 01:01:43.680 --> 01:01:45.000 I think it is important. 01:01:45.680 --> 01:01:46.860 That's the whole point. 01:01:46.860 --> 01:01:53.320 I tell you what, why don't you take a fraction of your money that you made for this bomb, okay? 01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:55.820 They're going to blame it on piracy or something, I bet you. 01:01:56.480 --> 01:02:02.080 The small .000% of people who know how and have the technical ability to pirate movies, 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.040 that small percentage of them, 01:02:04.560 --> 01:02:07.340 has put such a tiny dent in the profits of that movie 01:02:07.340 --> 01:02:09.360 that it's not even a blip on the radar. 01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:13.980 They have spent more money marketing against it with these commercials 01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:17.900 and the internet site and the bandwidth and all this shit that they're putting. 01:02:18.020 --> 01:02:20.580 They spent millions of dollars in lobbying the government. 01:02:21.040 --> 01:02:22.100 All that money, I tell you what, 01:02:22.160 --> 01:02:24.460 instead of spending money to make these commercials and all this shit, 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:26.040 give it to the set designer. 01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:29.740 Split it up equally amongst all the people that you claim are being ripped off. 01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:32.340 If you're sincere and you think that's what's getting hurt, 01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:35.480 if they're sincere that the people that are getting hurt are that, 01:02:35.640 --> 01:02:38.800 give them that money that you're spending wasting on this propaganda. 01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:40.440 Give them the money. 01:02:40.660 --> 01:02:43.360 Mr. Affleck, you made $10 million. 01:02:43.660 --> 01:02:45.980 Tell you what, why don't you cut it down to $9.9 million 01:02:45.980 --> 01:02:49.060 and you take that money and you divide it amongst all these people 01:02:49.060 --> 01:02:50.280 that you say are getting ripped off. 01:02:50.540 --> 01:02:52.120 You still make $9.9 million. 01:02:52.380 --> 01:02:53.340 The producer still makes. 01:02:53.780 --> 01:02:55.000 People are still making money. 01:02:55.500 --> 01:02:57.320 The problem is that they're not sharing it. 01:02:57.380 --> 01:02:59.160 They're blaming it on these pirates, 01:02:59.300 --> 01:03:01.060 on these people downloading movies. 01:03:01.220 --> 01:03:03.080 They're blaming it on people like that 01:03:03.080 --> 01:03:04.700 when the problem is, no, 01:03:05.040 --> 01:03:06.660 you're giving the money to the wrong people. 01:03:06.740 --> 01:03:07.460 That's your fault. 01:03:07.460 --> 01:03:10.520 You have resource management problems 01:03:10.520 --> 01:03:12.620 if you're not paying your people properly. 01:03:12.940 --> 01:03:13.700 You need to resource, 01:03:14.020 --> 01:03:16.260 you need to take a class in resource management 01:03:16.260 --> 01:03:17.300 or management in general 01:03:17.300 --> 01:03:20.920 and distribute the wealth more evenly and more properly 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:24.020 and quit blaming someone else for your inadequacies. 01:03:25.460 --> 01:03:26.780 That wasn't even in the notes. 01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:27.760 That just came out of nowhere. 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.580 I thought I got it all out of my system on RFA 01:03:30.580 --> 01:03:31.440 and I guess I didn't. 01:03:32.500 --> 01:03:33.320 I think I do now. 01:03:33.380 --> 01:03:33.940 I hope I do. 01:03:33.940 --> 01:03:37.000 And on that note... 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:38.580 Yeah, I guess it is... 01:03:38.580 --> 01:03:40.800 Boy, we're going to bump a lot of news. 01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:42.520 Next time, we're going to hit a lot of news. 01:03:43.200 --> 01:03:44.520 Yeah, we're going to hit a lot of news. 01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:49.020 Yeah, I guess that's it. 01:03:49.040 --> 01:03:49.680 Do you have any shouts? 01:03:49.740 --> 01:03:50.500 Do you want to shout out to anybody? 01:03:50.620 --> 01:03:51.000 Because we are... 01:03:51.560 --> 01:03:52.840 I think we're not too bad on time. 01:03:52.900 --> 01:03:54.140 By the time we mix it, we're all right. 01:03:54.220 --> 01:03:55.400 I'm too tired. 01:03:56.300 --> 01:03:56.660 All right. 01:03:56.720 --> 01:03:57.700 Well, I'm going to shout out again. 01:03:57.820 --> 01:03:59.680 Site 2, working on Hack TV. 01:03:59.880 --> 01:04:00.960 I think it's going to be great. 01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:03.220 I guess Mew's not as enthused about it as I am, 01:04:03.260 --> 01:04:04.180 but I think it's going to be great. 01:04:04.240 --> 01:04:05.720 He's just mad because he wasn't in the pilot. 01:04:05.820 --> 01:04:06.200 That's all. 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:06.640 Exactly. 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:07.700 And that's... 01:04:07.700 --> 01:04:08.360 You know why you're not? 01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:10.200 Because I went to your site and tried to download it 01:04:10.200 --> 01:04:11.100 and then it's not there anymore 01:04:11.100 --> 01:04:12.340 or you've moved it or something. 01:04:12.540 --> 01:04:13.000 What did I... 01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:13.660 Oh, yeah. 01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:14.740 No, it's still there. 01:04:14.780 --> 01:04:15.340 It has to be. 01:04:15.340 --> 01:04:16.940 I looked and couldn't find it 01:04:16.940 --> 01:04:17.740 or I would have mixed it in. 01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:18.180 No, it isn't. 01:04:18.260 --> 01:04:18.660 You're right. 01:04:18.780 --> 01:04:19.140 You're right. 01:04:19.220 --> 01:04:20.220 No, you can't put that up. 01:04:20.600 --> 01:04:21.140 Why not? 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:27.020 Anyway, we'll talk about that after the show. 01:04:27.560 --> 01:04:28.060 So, yeah. 01:04:28.160 --> 01:04:28.960 Shout out to Site 2. 01:04:29.020 --> 01:04:29.880 He's working on Hack TV. 01:04:30.080 --> 01:04:31.360 That'll be up very soon. 01:04:31.520 --> 01:04:32.760 So, thanks a lot to him. 01:04:33.460 --> 01:04:34.920 Letters at BenReb.com 01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:36.060 if you want to give us some feedback. 01:04:36.720 --> 01:04:37.380 And that's it. 01:04:37.460 --> 01:04:38.160 So, Mute. 01:04:38.260 --> 01:04:38.880 How do we end? 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:40.760 Same Hack time. 01:04:41.060 --> 01:04:42.160 Same Hack channel. 01:04:42.500 --> 01:04:43.180 Peace out. 01:04:43.380 --> 01:04:43.640 Peace. 01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.540 Oh, and our closing music for tonight 01:04:46.540 --> 01:04:51.580 is a beat I just found at the last minute, actually. 01:04:51.940 --> 01:04:53.640 I bumped the other music I was going to play 01:04:53.640 --> 01:04:54.420 when I found this. 01:04:54.420 --> 01:04:55.780 It's from Auditory. 01:04:56.240 --> 01:04:58.060 mp3.com slash auditory. 01:04:58.140 --> 01:04:58.620 Check it out. 01:04:58.780 --> 01:05:00.280 The song is called 01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:01.880 Walking in Wonder World. 01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:02.640 Check it out. 01:05:02.640 --> 01:05:32.620 The song is called 01:05:32.640 --> 01:06:02.620 The song is called 01:06:02.640 --> 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