WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:21.500 Welcome to the next generation of Hacking Information Exchange with StankDawg and Wintermute. 00:30.000 --> 00:59.600 I see in binary, I speak source code. Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose. In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho. Cause I'm riding the net in my six foe. I was a dick with my 56. Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable. On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream cats. You need some ISOs? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 00:59.600 --> 01:24.720 Our exchange, you could never stifle. In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. I bootlegged your CD. I caused the fight between Un and Jay-Z. Your CG, it's all gonna be free. Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. You feel that rattle in your bones? When I tell you we just hacked out Jones. And NASDAQ leaves you flat on your back. Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 01:24.720 --> 01:35.480 This is dedicated to the hackers and criminals. Serial phones, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs. This is dedicated to the hackers and crack. 01:35.720 --> 01:44.720 And we are back. Binary Revolution Radio, or BinRev Radio as we like to call it. Episode number nine. 01:45.700 --> 01:46.460 That's a niner there. 01:46.460 --> 01:51.940 And as you heard, we have our regular co-host back on the show. So say hello to the people. 01:52.420 --> 01:53.360 I am dual parallel. 01:53.780 --> 01:54.460 In the house. 01:55.300 --> 01:57.320 In the house. I love women. 01:58.580 --> 02:00.380 Oh, wait a minute. You can't be dual parallel then. 02:00.620 --> 02:01.140 Oh, no. 02:01.420 --> 02:03.260 Oh, he's gonna kill me for that one, isn't he? 02:04.600 --> 02:06.540 No, I'm the world famous Wintermute. 02:06.780 --> 02:10.500 In the house. You see, we stole that from you. We're using that for everybody now. 02:10.640 --> 02:11.200 In the house. 02:11.200 --> 02:19.060 All right. So, oh, crap. You know what? I'm gonna click the timer on right now. It's bad radio to let everybody tell them that I'm timing the show. 02:19.180 --> 02:20.700 I'll give them some, uh, intermission music. 02:21.160 --> 02:24.140 Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. Boop. 02:24.200 --> 02:26.040 That sounds like The Price is Right or something. 02:26.440 --> 02:28.120 No, no, no. It's some bad elevator. 02:28.340 --> 02:37.600 Ah. All right. Um, you know, I have quite a bit. You know, this might be another one of those episodes where it's just you and I talking about a lot of stuff we've done since it's been a while. 02:37.600 --> 02:37.900 What are the best? 02:37.900 --> 02:48.120 Yeah. I, actually, I like them. I mean, regurgitating news is kind of, I don't know, it's kind of fun sometimes to add to it, but, um, we've got a lot of stuff to talk about today. 02:48.660 --> 02:54.920 Um, I'm gonna jump right in the housekeeping portion of the show, um, which is normally where I talk about email, stuff like that. 02:55.060 --> 02:58.800 Well, actually, this week, what I wanted to talk about is I did a little digging. 02:59.340 --> 03:00.180 Turning into Nick. 03:00.840 --> 03:02.680 Huh? Yeah, I turned into a log dog. 03:02.680 --> 03:08.760 I started digging through my, uh, uh, HTTP logs, my Apache logs, just to see what was going on. 03:09.320 --> 03:19.480 I got a strange, not a strange hit, a few strange hits from club1.whitehouse.gov. 03:21.680 --> 03:22.120 Hmm? 03:22.120 --> 03:29.560 I have no idea what club1, C-L-U-B and the number 1.whitehouse.gov. 03:29.720 --> 03:40.940 Now, I can't get to the site, you know, there's no, uh, web server or anything on it, so I have no idea who, what, or why club1.whitehouse.gov is visiting. 03:40.940 --> 03:48.700 But, hey, welcome aboard, um, don't know what you're looking for, and I did not dig through it, um, to see what exactly they were getting. 03:49.000 --> 03:52.860 But, um, I did get a few visits from them, and I thought, what the hell is that all about? 03:53.820 --> 03:58.040 So, if that's you, by all means, drop me an email, letters at binrev.com, tell me what you're looking for. 03:58.100 --> 03:58.820 Maybe I can help you out. 03:59.860 --> 04:03.440 I also noticed some visits from Tech TV. 04:04.180 --> 04:04.500 Hmm. 04:04.780 --> 04:08.200 Which I don't even freaking get, because my cable sucks, but we won't go there. 04:08.200 --> 04:15.400 Um, we got some visits from Tech TV forums, and so I'm going to, I'm going to give a shout out or a thank you to Sezrun, 04:15.900 --> 04:23.840 who apparently mentioned our site over in the forums at Tech TV, so we got a couple hits from them coming over, so that's very, very cool. 04:24.560 --> 04:29.740 And, the same thing, I noticed some hits from groups.google.com. 04:30.280 --> 04:35.780 And, Google, as everybody, I'm sure, knows Google, they also have a news group archive, 04:35.780 --> 04:40.360 where you can go search through the, in NTP, you can go search through your news groups, 04:40.920 --> 04:45.060 and, um, I noticed I was getting hits from the site. 04:45.140 --> 04:48.540 Now, of course, you wouldn't notice hits from a news group itself, per se, 04:48.780 --> 04:52.080 but if you travel through Google Groups to get to the news groups, 04:52.160 --> 04:55.640 or if you click through Google Groups, the site, it does show up as a link. 04:55.640 --> 05:01.540 So, um, someone was pimping the show in the news group world, so, didn't even really think about that, 05:01.580 --> 05:07.080 but yes, by all means, go out there and spread the word in the news group, spread it on other forums, etc., 05:07.080 --> 05:08.360 anytime it's appropriate, of course. 05:08.420 --> 05:13.240 We don't want to go spam everybody, but, you know, if you're getting a chance to spread the word, spread the message, 05:13.380 --> 05:15.240 by all means, go do that, so... 05:15.240 --> 05:17.460 I think, I don't even think we should even go spamming. 05:17.880 --> 05:18.420 No, no. 05:18.420 --> 05:24.760 If I start getting a telemarketer phone call, saying, listen to FinRiv Radio, oh, that's the end of it. 05:25.100 --> 05:28.760 Hmm. You know, we would be some pretty evil telemarketers if we did that. 05:29.220 --> 05:30.340 Speaking of telemarketing... 05:30.340 --> 05:32.500 Of course, all telemarketers are evil, but go ahead. 05:32.760 --> 05:37.120 If you haven't signed up for the Do Not Call List, you're listening to this show on the Tuesday, 05:37.280 --> 05:41.380 which would be the 2nd of September, too bad, you've been locked out. 05:41.960 --> 05:43.060 What do you mean, locked out? 05:43.500 --> 05:45.780 Well, when we're taping this, it's Sunday. 05:46.420 --> 05:46.800 Uh-huh. 05:46.800 --> 05:50.340 At midnight tonight is the lockout for the Do Not Call List. 05:50.840 --> 05:51.720 Well, what do you mean, lockout? 05:52.040 --> 05:54.360 They're not going to update the list for some amount of time. 05:55.000 --> 05:58.740 Oh, I think this may be the first deadline as far as getting your name on the list. 05:58.820 --> 05:59.660 I think they do it... 05:59.660 --> 06:01.440 Are they doing it quarterly or something like that? 06:01.620 --> 06:03.900 Yeah, but this is for a little... for some time. 06:04.860 --> 06:05.100 Hmm. 06:05.580 --> 06:12.300 So, unless you like being, uh, buying, or, uh, you like talking to very strange people on the phone. 06:12.800 --> 06:15.400 Well, but like you said, by the time we air, it's going to be too late. 06:15.400 --> 06:17.400 Too late? Well, sucks. Sharks. 06:17.680 --> 06:20.400 Great. Good job. Thanks for reminding everybody last week. 06:20.880 --> 06:21.840 Yeah. Well, hey. 06:22.400 --> 06:25.460 Now, they can still sign up for it, correct? I think the website will be there. 06:25.520 --> 06:27.800 It's just, you won't get applied to the global list. 06:27.860 --> 06:34.500 You won't be put on that big list for three, four months, or however long before they do the next batch process, you know? 06:34.500 --> 06:35.400 Good, exactly. 06:35.920 --> 06:36.080 Hmm. 06:37.520 --> 06:45.600 Uh, yeah, anyway, um, so, I know who posted that out to Google Groups, so, um, Kleptic, thanks a lot for that. 06:45.680 --> 06:48.500 I saw who it was posted under, and I assumed that was you. 06:48.960 --> 06:52.200 So, um, thanks for spreading the word, everybody. 06:52.200 --> 07:06.280 And speaking of pimping, um, Gamer, Games and More Entertainment Radio, they pimped us on their last show, so everybody check them out, www.hwhq.com. 07:06.480 --> 07:07.740 Go check out Gamer Radio. 07:07.740 --> 07:10.740 Gamer Radio is back from his hellacious road trip. 07:10.920 --> 07:15.600 I still, it's a shame we couldn't hook up when he came down here, but c'est la vie, I guess. 07:15.700 --> 07:17.140 But definitely go check out the show. 07:17.900 --> 07:23.760 Um, and, you know, the other thing I wanted to mention, which just blew my mind, Mute. 07:24.580 --> 07:29.640 You know, Hack TV, one of our projects that's been long, long going, long overdue. 07:30.460 --> 07:32.160 I finally put up a pilot episode. 07:32.160 --> 07:39.040 Finally was able to work with Psy2, and getting some of the, uh, graphics together, getting some of the, um, the video working and everything. 07:39.780 --> 07:42.640 And, um, when I say working with, I mean he finally did it. 07:42.660 --> 07:45.700 I really didn't do a whole lot with it, other than some advice and ideas. 07:46.340 --> 07:47.840 But, I put that up. 07:47.900 --> 07:51.740 It's just, again, I've mentioned before, it's just some of the videos we've already made public. 07:52.320 --> 07:56.380 And I put it up just as a sampler, a teaser, just to let people know what was up. 07:56.960 --> 08:01.940 And it just absolutely blew my mind how many hits that got. 08:03.040 --> 08:09.840 Um, the only place I've mentioned it is on the show, on the shows, over on RFA, of course we've been mentioning it, in the forums. 08:09.960 --> 08:14.100 I really haven't mentioned it anywhere outside of those, those two places. 08:14.300 --> 08:16.260 Because, A, I've never had the opportunity. 08:16.440 --> 08:18.320 And, B, it's way, way too soon. 08:18.380 --> 08:23.500 And I don't like to announce stuff until it's ready or out. 08:24.040 --> 08:28.020 You know, so I don't like to commit and get people's hopes up, even though I was real bad about it on Hack TV. 08:28.660 --> 08:33.980 So, um, I haven't mentioned it anywhere, yet that got more hits than BinRev Radio. 08:33.980 --> 08:44.200 So, we're not only getting people who listen to the show and know about it, downloading it, and people from the forums, but it had easily more people than I could account for. 08:44.340 --> 08:46.200 So, I'm a little confused. 08:46.320 --> 08:48.100 I don't know where a lot of those hits are coming from. 08:48.160 --> 08:49.240 I might have to investigate it. 08:49.240 --> 08:52.460 But, it's very cool that there is interest in it. 08:53.060 --> 08:55.900 I had no idea that there was going to be that much interest in Hack TV. 08:56.040 --> 08:56.940 I knew it would be a little bit. 08:57.000 --> 09:00.120 I thought it would be like a little niche thing, a little underground kind of deal. 09:00.480 --> 09:02.840 But, it was a lot of hits that I wasn't expecting. 09:02.980 --> 09:05.140 So, that, I thought, was really, really cool. 09:05.940 --> 09:09.000 So, it kind of gets me rededicated to try to get some stuff done. 09:09.080 --> 09:11.060 Now, I am going to do a lot of filming this week. 09:11.100 --> 09:12.300 I've already planned on it. 09:12.740 --> 09:14.620 I already got some ideas in mind. 09:14.620 --> 09:21.940 Mute, you and I have talked about some things, and Duel, and we're all going to be working on filming here over the next couple of weeks. 09:21.960 --> 09:24.820 Now that we've got the ideas out, we've got the tech part of it done. 09:25.000 --> 09:27.100 So, definitely moving forward. 09:27.240 --> 09:28.360 So, I'm happy about that. 09:31.040 --> 09:32.920 Now, Mute. 09:33.140 --> 09:37.020 Actually, why don't we jump to you because we had a follow-up. 09:37.040 --> 09:41.080 I had a follow-up question I wanted you to follow up on from last week. 09:41.260 --> 09:43.900 I made an email from Total Blackout last week. 09:44.620 --> 09:46.560 About our part 15 idea. 09:48.660 --> 09:49.240 Uh-oh. 09:50.020 --> 10:07.580 I had an email that was questioning whether building a device that would block RFID frequencies was, in and of itself, illegal because it would cause interference. 10:07.580 --> 10:10.920 So, I'm not sure that I interpret the rule correctly. 10:11.020 --> 10:21.560 So, I was wondering if you could explain, is the act of building a RFID blocker, a personal RFID blocker, is that illegal? 10:21.700 --> 10:26.240 And could you kind of re-go over that and simplify it so that it's clearly what can and can't be done? 10:26.240 --> 10:31.020 Well, basically that bandwidth, that range, is unlicensed. 10:31.020 --> 10:38.900 So, anyone can believe, now, no lawsuits pending here, but you can do what you want with it. 10:39.580 --> 10:42.360 And, well, that being said, there is also a limit to what you can do. 10:42.440 --> 10:45.060 You can't go over a certain amount of wattage. 10:45.540 --> 10:46.720 I believe that's one watt. 10:46.720 --> 10:52.760 So, you can intentionally cause interference? 10:53.000 --> 10:55.440 I guess that's the question, as long as it's under one watt? 10:55.860 --> 10:56.120 Yes. 10:56.320 --> 11:06.480 Well, it slides into a story that kind of proves or backs up my theory, is that a company, RSA Security, I believe. 11:06.820 --> 11:07.380 Cha-ching. 11:07.880 --> 11:12.620 Cha-ching-ching is going to start producing RFID blockers. 11:12.620 --> 11:17.620 Now, if they're going to produce it, and they've said they're going to produce it, well, it kind of has to be legal. 11:19.340 --> 11:26.420 So, yes, by them producing something, it is legal for someone to make that. 11:26.860 --> 11:30.120 And, you know, the interesting, let me, here's the actual headline. 11:30.240 --> 11:34.580 It says, the labs at RSA Security on Wednesday, this was Wednesday of last week, 11:34.580 --> 11:43.600 on outlined plans for a technology they call blocker tags, which are similar in size and cost to radio frequency identification, RFID tags, 11:43.840 --> 11:48.700 but disrupt the transmission of information to scanning devices and thwart the collection of data. 11:49.740 --> 11:52.480 Blocker, okay, now, first of all, that was Wednesday of last week. 11:53.560 --> 11:55.580 Our show aired Tuesday of last week. 11:55.620 --> 11:56.800 Now, I'm not saying anything. 11:57.220 --> 11:57.640 Uh-oh. 11:57.720 --> 11:58.860 I'm not hinting at anything. 11:58.980 --> 12:00.760 I'm just saying coincidence. 12:00.760 --> 12:06.440 Anyway, the other part of this that I thought was kind of amazing or interesting was, 12:06.580 --> 12:14.400 they go on and it says, blocker and RFID tags are about the size of a grain of sand and cost around 10 cents. 12:15.620 --> 12:17.080 Dude, sign me up. 12:17.160 --> 12:18.800 10 cents to protect my privacy? 12:19.820 --> 12:22.360 I'll, hey, I'll go ahead and chip in for all of DDP. 12:22.940 --> 12:23.880 Not a problem, man. 12:23.900 --> 12:24.920 I'll put that on my tab. 12:25.580 --> 12:26.980 I'll buy one for each of you. 12:28.380 --> 12:29.180 Aren't I generous? 12:29.640 --> 12:30.700 Oh, totally, dude. 12:30.760 --> 12:34.900 10 cents is what it costs to protect your privacy from these things. 12:35.000 --> 12:37.540 I think that's, now, that's what it costs to make and manufacture. 12:37.660 --> 12:39.920 They'll probably end up selling them for, what, 20 bucks or something? 12:39.920 --> 12:40.280 Oh, yeah. 12:40.520 --> 12:41.580 Something stupid like that. 12:41.700 --> 12:45.460 So, still, finding out how to make your own and possibly us doing that. 12:45.720 --> 12:47.000 Screw the RSA labs. 12:47.440 --> 12:53.000 Embed these into other things such as watches or really anything they wanted to. 12:53.000 --> 13:01.460 Yeah, every time you buy a watch, you're going to have to come home and pry out the freaking privacy detector tag so you can get around freely. 13:01.980 --> 13:07.540 It's like, I think, pretty soon, you're going to see, like, a few years, maybe, if this ever goes anywhere. 13:08.220 --> 13:12.520 You'll have, like, a little symbol on the side that says RFID protected or something. 13:13.360 --> 13:15.340 RFID inside, like the Intel inside logo. 13:15.340 --> 13:20.120 Yeah, we'll have both, like, this is armed with an RFID device, and it's also blocked in RFID. 13:21.220 --> 13:22.560 What a coincidence. 13:23.040 --> 13:23.180 Yeah. 13:23.280 --> 13:24.100 What an irony. 13:24.100 --> 13:27.480 You know, actually, this is the kind of thing. 13:27.540 --> 13:35.680 I'm going to segue into, I don't know if I mentioned this on the show, actually, so if this is a recap, then I guess, sorry. 13:35.940 --> 13:38.620 But I signed up for a class this semester. 13:38.740 --> 13:40.580 I don't even know if I told you this yet, Mute. 13:41.460 --> 13:43.760 As everybody knows, I've graduated. 13:44.080 --> 13:48.320 There's no, you know, I'm not really going back to school for anything other than knowledge. 13:49.040 --> 13:53.540 And there was a class listed this semester that caught my interest, so I signed up for it. 13:53.540 --> 13:55.160 I'm not getting much credit for it. 13:55.180 --> 13:56.960 I'm getting credit, but it's not going to count towards anything. 13:57.160 --> 13:59.400 It's pretty much just going to learn. 13:59.960 --> 14:03.780 And the class that drew me back is called Cyber Law. 14:05.020 --> 14:13.760 So, Cyber Law is kind of a new development, a new thing, obviously, because we have so many conflicts between old existing laws. 14:13.760 --> 14:19.040 But in the new world, in the, in the, the, I hate the word cyber in general. 14:19.140 --> 14:30.760 But in the cyber world, that they're kind of branching off and trying to study laws and how laws should be changed and stuff to account for the internet and other online. 14:31.500 --> 14:34.040 And, well, not just online, but technology in general. 14:34.040 --> 14:36.040 So, this is something that interests me. 14:36.140 --> 14:37.040 So, I signed up for this. 14:37.100 --> 14:39.660 So, every Wednesday night, I'm taking this class. 14:40.400 --> 14:49.100 So, if people are interested, I can start bringing some of the stories and the stuff we talk about in class and bring them up on the show. 14:49.460 --> 14:55.260 So, if anybody's interested in hearing some of that stuff, obviously, this is a three hours a week class. 14:55.680 --> 14:58.660 It's going to be way too much for us to talk about on a one hour a week show. 14:58.760 --> 15:03.100 But I can probably summarize, bring up some interesting points and topics to consider. 15:03.760 --> 15:07.660 But if you, if that sounds interesting, post that in the forums or email me and tell me. 15:07.780 --> 15:11.640 And I will start bringing my notes and textbook and stuff home. 15:12.100 --> 15:14.240 And we'll talk about some of this on the show each week. 15:14.680 --> 15:19.540 Then when you get up to ask a question, the teacher will say, wait a minute, I know that voice. 15:19.980 --> 15:20.880 Yeah, exactly. 15:21.400 --> 15:22.440 I know you, dammit. 15:22.500 --> 15:24.280 Aren't you the binary revolution guy? 15:25.260 --> 15:27.220 Aren't you the binary revolution guy? 15:27.220 --> 15:28.620 I'll say, no, no, no, that's winter mute. 15:28.680 --> 15:29.160 That's not me. 15:29.340 --> 15:30.220 No, no, no, no. 15:30.400 --> 15:31.100 That's dual parallel. 15:34.080 --> 15:37.080 You know, one thing, this was the first class last week. 15:37.200 --> 15:42.460 So, you don't, you know, basically it was a lot of overview, a lot of topics we're going to cover in general terms. 15:42.860 --> 15:44.000 We didn't go into a lot of detail. 15:44.000 --> 15:54.840 But the one thing that just smacked me in the face that I was reminded of about lawyers and is the fact that lawyers, 15:54.840 --> 16:03.020 lawyers are, in my opinion, of course, way too far removed from ethics. 16:03.020 --> 16:11.860 I really, really, really think they need to emphasize ethics more in the law community and law school and in general. 16:12.960 --> 16:16.760 You know, and there are, don't get me wrong, there are good lawyers. 16:16.760 --> 16:18.260 I know some good lawyers. 16:18.400 --> 16:25.340 But there are an overwhelmingly large number of bad lawyers, ambulance chasers, anybody trying to turn a buck. 16:26.040 --> 16:30.360 And it's those lawyers that unfortunately give everyone else a bad name. 16:30.400 --> 16:31.880 And I guess it's probably the same with police. 16:32.000 --> 16:37.400 A lot of people hate police because there's, you know, there's quite a few out there that are, you know, not good cops. 16:37.440 --> 16:38.200 Let's put it that way. 16:38.240 --> 16:39.780 But there are also some good ones mixed in. 16:39.780 --> 16:41.500 So anyway, I digress on that. 16:41.880 --> 16:47.540 But going back to this class, it just kind of smacked me in the face the way they talked about things. 16:47.600 --> 16:50.940 And they only talked about the legalities of some of these things. 16:50.980 --> 16:52.840 And they didn't mention right or wrong. 16:53.620 --> 16:56.140 And, again, I'm not going to go into too much detail. 16:56.260 --> 16:58.980 Let's see if anybody's interested first and maybe we can bring this up on a later show. 16:58.980 --> 17:14.660 But one quick example was, you know, they mentioned how to, well, it was talk about where laws could be prosecuted, 17:14.780 --> 17:24.520 where they could be, who would be in charge of prosecuting or the legal aspect of anything online. 17:24.820 --> 17:26.580 And the term is jurisdiction. 17:26.580 --> 17:29.540 Who has jurisdiction in an online world? 17:29.960 --> 17:31.180 And trying to define that. 17:31.520 --> 17:36.760 And the name Napster immediately came up, of course, even though they're long gone. 17:37.220 --> 17:41.440 But they used that and they used some of the other file sharing and explained, you know, 17:42.000 --> 17:47.580 where does jurisdiction come into play if you, a person in, I don't know, New York, 17:47.980 --> 17:55.160 download a file from someone in California through a server that's located in Norway, etc., etc., etc. 17:55.160 --> 17:57.320 So that was one of the first things that was, again, it was general. 17:57.420 --> 17:58.280 We didn't get into detail. 17:58.360 --> 17:59.080 They don't have answers. 17:59.620 --> 18:02.820 But it was discussed where this falls. 18:03.500 --> 18:12.020 Well, the instructor, a very nice lady, actually, you know, came out and said that from the legal aspect of it, 18:12.020 --> 18:15.300 there is some definitions, and we're going to go into them over the semester, 18:15.300 --> 18:30.380 but the ethical matter of us infringing, or not infringing, of us forcing our laws and our thoughts to overseas and other people 18:30.380 --> 18:37.160 about how legally we can and will pursue stuff like that because of our copyright laws in this country. 18:37.900 --> 18:45.760 And the consideration of ethics or respect or whatever you want to call it to other countries really has no bearing in the mind of the law. 18:46.120 --> 18:47.820 And I thought that was pretty sad. 18:47.820 --> 18:55.900 I mean, ethics, I mean, she kind of admitted that, you know, if someone from overseas or you download from someone from overseas or vice versa, 18:56.440 --> 18:57.520 there's that gray area. 18:57.680 --> 19:00.760 You're not technically, you know, you can't enforce the laws on them. 19:01.360 --> 19:05.920 But as far as a lawyer is concerned, yes, they will sue that person. 19:06.020 --> 19:09.660 They will go through whatever it takes and try to enforce these laws because by the letter of the law, 19:09.660 --> 19:16.920 they may have loopholes or tricks that they can get them, even though they may not rightfully have an ethical reason to do it. 19:18.140 --> 19:25.500 So, anyway, that just kind of, you know, not upset me, but I had forgotten since it's been a while since I had some law classes. 19:25.500 --> 19:30.680 That's kind of interesting because just today, I think today or yesterday, 19:31.260 --> 19:38.600 Charmin Networks, a la Kazaa, has just popped back in the news like they've ever really left the news. 19:38.600 --> 19:47.260 Yeah, but they're asked that Google, Google, our best friend, to block the search of Kazaa Lite. 19:48.500 --> 19:50.000 Yeah, I saw that headline. 19:50.140 --> 19:50.420 Did they? 19:51.360 --> 19:53.420 I did try searching it. 19:54.040 --> 19:55.280 And you'll still get the software. 19:56.400 --> 19:57.760 I mean, you're not going to stop it. 19:57.920 --> 20:03.900 There's like the second hyperlink is a place to download it. 20:04.080 --> 20:04.940 You're not going to stop that. 20:04.940 --> 20:10.400 But at the bottom of the page, it just says, this search has been filtered because of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. 20:11.080 --> 20:11.980 See, that's just pathetic. 20:12.480 --> 20:17.240 If that's not an invasion of, I don't even want to, you know what? 20:17.320 --> 20:18.700 It's an invasion of privacy. 20:19.100 --> 20:21.240 We're not an invasion of privacy, but it's just like over the main ground. 20:21.640 --> 20:22.380 First Amendment. 20:22.580 --> 20:22.800 Hello. 20:22.800 --> 20:35.280 It's ironic because, first of all, they're only doing this because they're supposed to be really soon rolling out with a legal version or a paid version. 20:35.480 --> 20:37.360 They're trying to stop these people over here. 20:37.920 --> 20:44.560 They're all about free media and everything, but they're going to stop these people over here from making a cooler version. 20:44.560 --> 20:46.500 What's going on? 20:47.120 --> 20:49.600 You know, they're going to try to stop. 20:50.240 --> 20:53.460 And that's what they, I still am amazed that they haven't realized this yet. 20:53.520 --> 20:55.940 They haven't realized it since Napster, which is years ago. 20:56.380 --> 21:00.240 They are not going to stop peer-to-peer file sharing. 21:00.360 --> 21:01.880 Go back and listen to RFA. 21:02.040 --> 21:07.120 Listen to Radio Freak America back when I first started, I don't know how long ago, and I've said this all along. 21:07.120 --> 21:15.380 You will not stop peer-to-peer file sharing ever, ever, ever. 21:15.580 --> 21:19.980 Mark my words, this day in history, you will never stop it. 21:20.140 --> 21:23.780 For every one you kill, five shall stand in its wake. 21:24.080 --> 21:25.680 You will not stop it. 21:27.320 --> 21:28.240 Aye, aye, aye. 21:29.040 --> 21:31.620 Because whatever, you could kill the Internet. 21:31.760 --> 21:33.160 People are going to still burn CDs. 21:34.680 --> 21:35.240 It's... 21:35.240 --> 21:35.920 And nail them. 21:35.920 --> 21:37.300 The Internet's not going anywhere. 21:37.740 --> 21:40.380 Yeah, obviously, but yeah, as an example. 21:40.640 --> 21:40.980 Right. 21:41.820 --> 21:45.160 No, it's just, you know, people just are not... 21:45.160 --> 21:49.240 And, you know, this is one of the reasons that we, that I love the name Binary Revolution. 21:49.460 --> 21:54.300 We are not standing for the limitations that you guys are going to try to force on us. 21:54.360 --> 21:59.360 When I say you guys, I mean the legal community, the government, stuff like that. 21:59.420 --> 22:02.920 You're going to try to put these things in looking out for the interests of big businesses 22:02.920 --> 22:04.960 instead of looking out for the interests of the people. 22:04.960 --> 22:05.900 Well, guess what? 22:05.980 --> 22:07.200 We, the people, say, fuck you. 22:07.920 --> 22:08.400 Damn it. 22:08.640 --> 22:09.560 Damn it, I used the F word. 22:09.660 --> 22:10.160 Well, you know what? 22:10.180 --> 22:10.800 I do say that. 22:10.860 --> 22:11.340 Fuck you. 22:11.860 --> 22:12.300 I do. 22:12.620 --> 22:16.360 We are going to take this world and keep this world for ourselves. 22:17.340 --> 22:21.620 The cyber world, which again, I hate that world, is ours. 22:21.620 --> 22:23.240 We created it. 22:23.300 --> 22:24.460 We made it what it was. 22:24.800 --> 22:26.080 Well, us and all the pornographers. 22:26.300 --> 22:34.860 But, you know, still, I'm not about to roll over and let the online community be pulled down 22:34.860 --> 22:38.160 and dragged down the same way as the real world community. 22:38.160 --> 22:39.900 Anyway, I'm going to get off soapbox. 22:39.980 --> 22:41.020 Let's go back to something tech. 22:43.460 --> 22:43.860 Interzone. 22:44.940 --> 22:46.320 Yeah, Interzone, actually. 22:46.420 --> 22:47.560 I mentioned this last week. 22:47.560 --> 22:58.240 And I've been communicating with Rocket about some information that I found on their legal problems. 22:58.340 --> 23:02.100 Again, go to Interzone and check it out. 23:02.200 --> 23:04.640 Z-O-Z-O-N-E, not Z-O-N-E. 23:05.140 --> 23:07.060 And check them out, interzone.com. 23:07.660 --> 23:09.820 And I actually added their conference. 23:09.940 --> 23:12.120 Their next conference is in April of 2004. 23:12.440 --> 23:14.460 So it's not too awful far away. 23:14.680 --> 23:15.660 It's less than a year away. 23:15.840 --> 23:19.040 So I'm actually considering going to that. 23:20.440 --> 23:24.000 Maybe we can all meet up there or something like that, a presentation or something like that. 23:24.000 --> 23:27.440 But I sent them some information. 23:27.620 --> 23:32.880 He's going to put together a PowerPoint presentation and send it to some people 23:32.880 --> 23:38.720 and try to further their legal worries, their legal woes, which, again, I've gotten into before. 23:38.820 --> 23:40.500 So I'm not going to waste time rehashing them. 23:41.480 --> 23:42.540 But good luck to them. 23:43.200 --> 23:46.520 Hopefully the little bit of information I gave helped, which was very little. 23:46.620 --> 23:47.680 But hopefully that will help. 23:49.900 --> 23:53.120 And I guess it's really settled. 23:53.120 --> 23:54.980 It's over and done with to a certain extent. 23:54.980 --> 24:03.260 But now the act is getting the word out to see what happened and how people were treated. 24:03.480 --> 24:05.020 And let's not let it happen again. 24:05.640 --> 24:06.300 You know what I'm saying? 24:06.460 --> 24:10.540 So even though they may have settled and have it over and done with, it's not over yet. 24:10.900 --> 24:12.060 So good luck to them. 24:12.140 --> 24:15.740 Hopefully they can get the word out and get some people's minds opened. 24:15.740 --> 24:23.020 Now, you, since you've been back, you know, actually, this is going to be the first episode. 24:23.160 --> 24:29.640 I guess we should take a moment here and announce that Binary Revolution Magazine version 1.2 is now available. 24:30.200 --> 24:32.940 I already mentioned it online, and people who have been to the site will notice. 24:33.120 --> 24:37.520 But if you haven't already, go check it out, magazine.binrev.com. 24:37.600 --> 24:40.900 You will see the latest edition is now available. 24:40.900 --> 24:44.500 And in that edition, Wintermute, I think you have a contribution. 24:44.620 --> 24:45.140 Is that correct? 24:45.620 --> 24:46.720 Oh, yeah. 24:47.040 --> 24:48.020 And what is that? 24:48.040 --> 24:48.200 I have two. 24:48.300 --> 24:49.060 I thought one but two. 24:49.440 --> 24:49.820 Do you? 24:50.460 --> 24:52.840 Well, the secret image. 24:53.680 --> 24:54.220 Oh, yeah. 24:54.300 --> 24:54.960 I forgot about that. 24:55.000 --> 24:55.600 Don't give that away. 24:56.040 --> 24:56.580 Well, I can't. 24:56.660 --> 24:58.760 You have the inside back cover, too. 24:58.820 --> 24:59.740 We'll just leave it like that. 25:00.080 --> 25:00.580 Oh, yeah. 25:00.680 --> 25:02.160 Well, we're talking about the article. 25:02.440 --> 25:05.340 It's actually a follow-up to your 2600 article. 25:05.860 --> 25:07.660 So why don't you tell us a little bit about that? 25:08.120 --> 25:13.680 Or if anyone doesn't remember, I think it was, what, Spring 2K2? 25:13.680 --> 25:27.940 Of, yeah, Spring 2K2-ish, of, of, of, 2K3, of 2600, the 20th volume, or has me headlining with the Best Buy and Securities. 25:27.940 --> 25:29.260 And I wrote an article. 25:29.620 --> 25:36.400 Best Buy basically had some horrible stuff on almost all their computers with access to their internal network. 25:37.120 --> 25:38.540 And I had to kind of show them that. 25:38.620 --> 25:40.740 And within a few days, they kind of patched that hole. 25:40.740 --> 25:48.100 And I came back, fed up, I didn't have as much insight as I had before because they really did kind of hit it hard. 25:49.120 --> 25:51.360 I got, I had some people, I talked to some people. 25:51.680 --> 25:54.340 They were very helpful in showing me what happened, what they do. 25:54.860 --> 25:57.720 And I wrote the article about it in the 1.2. 25:57.940 --> 25:59.580 Yeah, that article really cracked down. 25:59.660 --> 26:01.780 They made a lot of changes because of that article, didn't they? 26:01.780 --> 26:18.200 What I've heard, and from my two inside sources, and they've been, they've been duly noted in my article, they, what happened was, and I kind of had the same theory, what was going on, if you saw, if anyone actually came up and saw how bad it was, they would really start laughing. 26:18.200 --> 26:28.260 Because it was, there was problems with permissions on drives, there was caches, there was so much, there's so much stuff strewn everywhere, it had to be fixed. 26:28.700 --> 26:36.220 So within a few days, what they did was, they revamped, they also needed to because it was getting horrible, it was getting old. 26:36.220 --> 26:51.540 So first of all, they revamped the tool, the employee toolkit to include a password, which is different from a, the employee password for, say, going to the cash register and logging in and being a cashier. 26:51.980 --> 26:54.140 So that's all new, and they reached all the links. 26:54.720 --> 26:58.860 So what was basically, I was giving them a swift kick in the ass, I guess you could say. 26:59.760 --> 27:00.160 Upgrade. 27:00.540 --> 27:05.300 There's an eventual upgrade, but I kind of said, do it now because you see your problem. 27:05.300 --> 27:09.740 Right, and you know, people have mentioned in the forums that now, I mean, they're paranoid. 27:10.300 --> 27:18.580 Somebody had mentioned in the forums, a couple of people, that they went into Best Buy, and they were like, followed, or they were, you know, they jumped out of the little display, which is super easy. 27:19.060 --> 27:23.180 And they were like, what did they say, the computers are not for hacking or something like that? 27:23.340 --> 27:23.780 Yeah, what did they say? 27:23.780 --> 27:25.060 I mean, they're paranoid now. 27:25.240 --> 27:28.540 It was a, it was a mollusk, old badass, blowing this radio. 27:29.220 --> 27:32.980 Uh, he, uh, he said that the guy came up to him, hey, these computers aren't for hacking. 27:32.980 --> 27:35.180 I had that happen to me, after the article. 27:35.500 --> 27:35.860 Mm-hmm. 27:36.220 --> 27:41.800 Maybe it wasn't, um, let me think, what was it, it was, maybe it wasn't released yet, but I didn't go back there. 27:42.160 --> 27:43.660 It was that, it was that in-between period. 27:43.900 --> 27:44.240 Mm-hmm. 27:44.480 --> 27:48.060 And it was, uh, I came in there, and I was playing around on a standalone machine. 27:48.540 --> 27:52.500 I was going to copy all their, uh, their demo software off, and I'm kind of messing around. 27:52.560 --> 27:55.680 I find the source code for that, in that, um, interactive demo. 27:55.960 --> 27:56.360 Right. 27:56.360 --> 28:07.540 And I had, like, fucking, well, I don't know, I was going to add something funny, and the girl, she's walking by, and she sees notepads open, and she stops, cocks her head, looks at me, and, like, what are you doing? 28:08.580 --> 28:10.560 And I'm, like, oh, you know, just checking it out. 28:11.040 --> 28:17.360 She's, like, oh, you look really like what you're doing, and that scares, you really, she said, you really look like you know what you're doing, and that scares me. 28:17.760 --> 28:18.020 Uh-huh. 28:18.500 --> 28:20.180 And I'm, like, don't worry about it. 28:20.180 --> 28:21.060 And she's, like, okay, whatever. 28:21.860 --> 28:22.100 Hmm. 28:23.000 --> 28:28.660 And then after that, you know, it's just, I don't even know what they're going through these people's heads. 28:29.400 --> 28:39.820 Well, now that they've been called out, you know, call them on the carpet, they, they're trying to watch their computers now, they're trying to eyeball everybody, and instead of fixing the problem. 28:39.820 --> 28:44.640 Well, actually, to their credit, it sounds like they are trying to fix and do some things, but, um. 28:44.640 --> 28:50.340 We got this, uh, we got something from a, from a little, uh, security, security list. 28:50.540 --> 29:07.700 Yeah, actually, besides your, besides your Best Buy revisited article in this episode, or this issue of Binary Revolution Magazine, besides your follow-up article, there was also a disclosure made, um, that, you probably read more about this than I do, so why don't you talk about it also? 29:07.700 --> 29:24.720 What happened was, uh, this guy, he comes in, first of all, this does require a password username, login, to, to execute, and basically what he does is he gets in, he, uh, uh, violates the, the URL, like, if you have Internet Explorer open, if you're using your Internet Explorer, but anyways. 29:24.720 --> 29:31.980 You can type in, you can type in, it's basically, you can type in C colon slash, and you'll get a, the C, CD, C drive, on your hard drive. 29:32.780 --> 29:39.500 Well, he's just saying that you can do this, and you can open up a command, command, like, kind of like getting a shell on, uh, on, on Linux or Unix. 29:39.500 --> 29:55.000 Well, the problem is, you can't get to that unless you have permissions for that drive, so this is kind of useless unless you have the same vulnerability, the same accessibility as I did, where there were, the permissions weren't set correctly, and you could do whatever you wanted. 29:56.060 --> 30:00.260 So this really isn't a threat, unless the permissions are set correctly. 30:00.260 --> 30:22.420 Well, now, if you look at the timing of when he reported this, it started on May 5th of 2003, and he just now finally released it because supposedly he notified Best Buy, and they didn't do anything about it, and they didn't do anything, and they were told they were not serious, and it wasn't going to do anything, so he finally disclosed it three months later, it looks like. 30:22.700 --> 30:24.480 So back on May 5th... 30:24.480 --> 30:26.220 That was when my article came out. 30:27.160 --> 30:28.420 Hmm, isn't that interesting? 30:28.420 --> 30:43.340 So it's like, so it's like he, he kind of went along, maybe, with what I did, but to his credit, I bet he's a very smart guy, he did go a little farther than I did, he found this, the plaintiff's password disclosure, he found some passwords to their drives, so I didn't, I didn't, I didn't dig that far. 30:43.880 --> 30:55.220 Yeah, now see, when you and I were working on this project, I originally found the same thing, then that's how I found a lot of the stuff that I was doing on my Best Buy computers was by rooting down to the C drive. 30:55.520 --> 30:55.760 Yeah. 30:55.760 --> 31:08.800 And, you know, I just played around with some silly things that tagged the machines, thank dog was here, some harmless little things like that, but yeah, I found some inconsistencies within one machine to another machine in the same store. 31:09.440 --> 31:22.360 So, I don't know, maybe some of them still haven't been patched or fixed yet, or had the, you know, the authentication applied to them, so I guess it's a case-by-case basis, but in general, you're absolutely right, they've locked all that stuff down, as far as we can tell. 31:22.360 --> 31:30.720 Yeah, but this is definitely cool what he did here, he found all the passwords to the, the drives that are mounted on boot, that's kind of cool, I think. 31:31.080 --> 31:31.240 Hmm. 31:32.140 --> 31:32.920 Yeah, that's fine. 31:32.920 --> 31:38.700 But there is so much, the, the, the network is global, or not, I mean, at least continental. 31:39.240 --> 31:39.640 Mm-hmm. 31:39.900 --> 31:42.260 So from any store, you can jump to any other store. 31:42.260 --> 31:50.840 Yeah, I know, um, when I was looking at it, you could, um, access inventory and stuff like that, see where, anywhere in stock. 31:51.300 --> 32:01.800 It was, because you go in, I did a, you know, a network neighborhood, and you could see every other domain, so it starts at Best Buy 00001, all the way through all their numbers. 32:02.540 --> 32:06.700 Was that, just as a guess, was that, like, by their store number, Best Buy 432? 32:06.700 --> 32:07.720 Yeah, it is by their store number, yeah. 32:07.720 --> 32:08.380 Yeah, figures. 32:08.900 --> 32:09.080 Yeah. 32:09.540 --> 32:10.340 Gee, surprise. 32:10.340 --> 32:12.880 So, hey, and I got another piece of, uh, a tidbit. 32:13.120 --> 32:13.800 All right, shoot. 32:14.120 --> 32:21.420 All right, we got an, uh, Office Max, Office Depot, don't get me confused, just go to one of them, go to both of them, I don't care, they're both fun. 32:22.040 --> 32:27.860 Anyways, that was one, one of them today, cruising, cruising, we needed a printer, we needed some, we needed some stuff. 32:28.360 --> 32:31.560 Anyways, I'm, I'm digging around, and, well, of course, I got computers there. 32:32.060 --> 32:34.200 You don't, you don't sell computers today, you're in the dark ages. 32:34.800 --> 32:40.120 So, just messing around, and, you know, I find a computer, and I'm typing up, you know, just throwing some hands at it. 32:40.120 --> 32:41.340 You don't know what's going to happen, guys. 32:42.140 --> 32:48.020 And, uh, and, and, it's doing anything, I hit a, did an ATM in a different state start spitting money into the store? 32:48.020 --> 32:48.480 I started spitting on money. 32:48.740 --> 32:49.860 That's stupid, man. 32:50.000 --> 32:50.880 Can't do that. 32:51.000 --> 32:52.020 All right, I'm going to stop there. 32:52.020 --> 32:59.380 Um, what, uh, what happened was, I hit escape, I was doing a control, shift, escape, trying to, you know, get some, get some stuff going. 32:59.920 --> 33:05.180 And, escape would give me a password prompt, and I'm like, hmm, gets my eyebrow raised. 33:05.580 --> 33:07.740 Well, I kind of stopped there, got it, stopped at my tracks. 33:08.120 --> 33:14.140 But I did scroll, like, there's a, it's a nice interface that says, like, do this, do that, do this, do that, and it's all for consumers. 33:14.140 --> 33:22.860 But you scroll down, and you get some links to, like, some administrative stuff, and I click one, and a box comes up, uh, username, password. 33:23.000 --> 33:24.180 I'm like, well, what it could be. 33:24.520 --> 33:29.260 Well, I'm a little taller than the average person, so I look, and, oh, what's on the monitor? 33:30.340 --> 33:31.240 Username and password? 33:31.240 --> 33:37.140 Password, password, on top of the monitor, where you can't normally see, unless you, like, creep up. 33:37.540 --> 33:43.900 And this is the same thing, I've had this at Best Buy, where they kept the password to one of their, their screens, right on front of the monitor. 33:45.120 --> 33:45.360 Hmm. 33:45.460 --> 33:46.480 In clear view. 33:47.040 --> 33:53.220 This is, if they thought, like, oh, no one will notice this little sticky note here, that's not the same color as the computer, and it has to have a lettering. 33:53.400 --> 33:55.240 So I typed that in, and yeah, sure enough, it got in. 33:55.880 --> 33:56.280 Hmm. 33:56.280 --> 34:03.540 Hmm. Well, see, they don't think that most people are going to be competent enough to know where to put that password and things like that, so. 34:04.000 --> 34:08.060 See, the idea we give them credit, you know, they put it in a little weird, a little weird spot, you know. 34:09.860 --> 34:12.440 Well, I don't know how much credit that deserves, but. 34:12.740 --> 34:16.280 Getting your people memorizing, memorizing this stuff. 34:16.640 --> 34:20.320 Yeah, there's probably a catch-22 there. It's probably hard to get people to work there. 34:20.420 --> 34:24.260 They don't pay any good money, so they don't expect competent people who can, oh, memorize. 34:24.800 --> 34:25.040 Yeah. 34:25.040 --> 34:26.680 So, hey, what are you going to do? 34:27.760 --> 34:31.520 Um, also, I don't know if you tried it or not, but is that the same password? 34:31.640 --> 34:33.740 Did you go try it on one of the other computers on display? 34:33.820 --> 34:34.820 Did they all use the same one? 34:35.100 --> 34:41.660 Yeah, this is, like, an internet accessible one to do, check on tech stuff, and just do a lot of more business type stuff. 34:41.800 --> 34:42.400 Ah, I see. 34:42.580 --> 34:46.380 So I didn't check it, but yeah, that's probably, I was going to write it down, but shucks, you know, 34:46.560 --> 34:48.620 Dool's going to hit and kick my ass, but no freak notebook. 34:49.440 --> 34:51.580 Oh, man. See? 34:52.060 --> 34:53.040 Don't hurt me, man. 34:53.040 --> 34:58.760 Oh, you have to have a freak notebook or a PDA. You know I'm the PDA guy. He's the freak notebook guy. 34:58.800 --> 35:00.320 Every time I buy a PDA, it breaks. 35:00.760 --> 35:02.440 Well, take care of it. 35:02.860 --> 35:03.320 I do. 35:03.440 --> 35:05.800 You broke your damn iMac. 35:06.140 --> 35:07.860 Hold on, man. It's not my fault. 35:08.040 --> 35:08.340 Wait. 35:08.340 --> 35:11.280 I've taken so much crap, paracord. 35:11.400 --> 35:13.380 We can't have nice things, because you tear them up. 35:13.380 --> 35:17.760 You're going to say to me in a message, P.S., stop jumping on top of your iBook. 35:18.000 --> 35:18.600 Mm-hmm. 35:18.800 --> 35:19.660 Stop breaking. 35:20.920 --> 35:22.920 I'm going to kick all your asses. I'm going to get some better. 35:23.320 --> 35:25.160 You'll see. Just wait. Just wait. I'll have pictures. 35:25.480 --> 35:26.180 Yeah, yeah. 35:26.180 --> 35:35.160 Yeah. Um, let's, let's actually try to squeeze in some news here. Um, the big thing this past 35:35.160 --> 35:39.100 week, we mentioned it on the last show, but, um, it's worth mentioning again, and that's 35:39.100 --> 35:40.140 the So Big virus. 35:40.700 --> 35:41.320 So Big. 35:41.460 --> 35:44.100 Did you have any, did you have any personal, any relations? 35:44.100 --> 35:49.000 But it happened, oh, I got like, oh, at least ten copies of it in my inbox. Hmm. 35:49.300 --> 35:52.020 You notice it after, like, you get three of the same heading. 35:52.260 --> 35:52.460 Right. 35:52.460 --> 35:54.300 With an attachment. It's like, yep, that's a virus. 35:54.700 --> 36:00.260 Yeah, there's like, I don't know, ten or twelve, ten or fifteen different headers or subject 36:00.260 --> 36:03.760 lines that they give you, but, yeah, you can, for the most part, tell, and they're. 36:03.800 --> 36:07.580 Someone actually got a little smart. They put Microsoft.com. Hmm. 36:07.640 --> 36:09.500 Like, update with this patch now. 36:10.160 --> 36:11.660 Yeah, but it was like a PIF file. 36:11.660 --> 36:14.020 Yeah, it was a PIF file. So, wait, come on. 36:14.100 --> 36:14.640 Stupid people. 36:14.820 --> 36:15.660 Well, I know. 36:15.820 --> 36:17.200 Microsoft, oh, it's safe, it's safe. 36:17.360 --> 36:23.880 Right. Even though it, they didn't notice the address came from ZQ41321 at Yahoo.com or 36:23.880 --> 36:24.280 something like that. 36:24.280 --> 36:25.700 It's stupid. It comes from Microsoft.com. 36:25.740 --> 36:29.120 Well, you know what? That's true. That is actually true. I should take that back because 36:29.120 --> 36:33.380 the way that, that's the nature of the virus is it does come from people in your address 36:33.380 --> 36:36.700 book or that you're in their address book, I should say. So, it is coming from people that 36:36.700 --> 36:42.220 you know or think you know. So, it's just that the email itself was not. 36:42.220 --> 36:45.540 But, like, if I went to headers, I would get a real address. 36:45.980 --> 36:48.560 But, it came from support at Microsoft.com. 36:48.760 --> 36:49.820 Right, right. 36:49.900 --> 36:51.380 It quote, unquote, came from. 36:51.640 --> 36:53.260 Well, yeah, it appeared from. 36:53.500 --> 36:53.740 Yeah. 36:53.740 --> 36:59.620 You know, the thing about this virus, though, that I found interesting was that where I 36:59.620 --> 37:07.240 work, we were actually hit pretty hard by this virus and not so much because of the 37:07.240 --> 37:12.140 vulnerability, the Microsoft vulnerability itself. That had been patched pretty quickly 37:12.140 --> 37:17.920 and a lot of the machines were repaired pretty quickly. But, the thing is, the ones that weren't 37:17.920 --> 37:25.320 were causing so much congestion on the network that it was really, really hurting the network 37:25.320 --> 37:30.760 a lot because they are shouting out, looking constantly all over the place for its next 37:30.760 --> 37:36.260 victim trying to spread. So, even machines that were on our network that were Linux-based, 37:36.480 --> 37:44.500 Mac-based, anything, Unix, they were getting constantly getting ping requests, getting requests for 37:44.500 --> 37:50.380 certain ports. So, that actually taxes your system to answer and say, no, that port's not 37:50.380 --> 37:54.520 here. No, that port's not open. No, I'm not Microsoft. No, that vulnerability's not going 37:54.520 --> 38:01.700 to work on me. So, technically, they didn't get affected by the virus, per se, but they were 38:01.700 --> 38:10.040 actually DOS'd, to a certain extent, by a virus that doesn't even affect them. So, I thought 38:10.040 --> 38:14.480 that was really interesting about this virus. I don't know if that was by intent or 38:14.480 --> 38:18.100 if that just kind of worked out by circumstance, but I thought that was really interesting 38:18.100 --> 38:25.580 that we have a computer science and engineering department that's very much Unix-based, and 38:25.580 --> 38:30.240 they were reporting lots and lots of problems, too, and there was little they could do about 38:30.240 --> 38:34.220 it other than trying to block certain ports, which, of course, starts crippling what they 38:34.220 --> 38:38.700 can and can't do with their systems, and, you know, it's not really an answer. It's a short-term 38:38.700 --> 38:43.020 answer, but even they were getting problems, even though they weren't vulnerable to the 38:43.020 --> 38:46.900 attack. Did they catch some, dude? Or was that a blaster? 38:46.900 --> 38:52.840 That was blaster.b. Yeah, you know, the other thing is the copycats. Yeah, the copycats 38:52.840 --> 38:58.040 out there. The first, you know, the first blaster virus, which we talked about a while back 38:58.040 --> 39:02.720 about, they missed it. They just made a tiny mistake in the original that they could have 39:02.720 --> 39:08.380 actually DOS'd Microsoft Update, and they screwed up and attacked the wrong address, the wrong 39:08.380 --> 39:15.860 box. So, the copycats come along, and they're not going to, you know, they come in, and this 39:15.860 --> 39:18.760 guy put his name in the virus. Now, I'm sorry, that's stupid. 39:19.200 --> 39:24.640 Yeah, he put his, uh, what did he, he had, he built in a, uh, in a backdoor function, and 39:24.640 --> 39:28.900 it pointed to his website that his, uh, his Whois records had his name. 39:28.900 --> 39:33.140 Exactly. I mean, he gave it, he gave himself away. You know, he put a link. 39:33.560 --> 39:37.500 My parents laughed at that. You, you have to detach yourself from these things if you're 39:37.500 --> 39:41.900 going to do that, which I do not condone in the first place. But if you're going to do 39:41.900 --> 39:48.180 that, for God's sake, detach yourself from stuff like that. Anyway, you know, let's see 39:48.180 --> 39:52.100 what comes of that, though. What kind of, um, punishment do you give somebody for something 39:52.100 --> 39:56.660 like that? Are they going to make another example out of him, and, you know, roast him 39:56.660 --> 40:01.500 in the media, and, you know, that's, that's a concern, right? You know, no matter what he 40:01.500 --> 40:05.520 did, right or wrong, you know, is the punishment going to fit the crime? Let's see what happens 40:05.520 --> 40:11.500 with it. But, you know, there is a lesson here to the listeners and to anybody. Don't get 40:11.500 --> 40:15.600 in over your head. Don't go messing with something. You know, guess what? I've had the source 40:15.600 --> 40:21.100 code to blaster virus since they first announced, since before the virus. I had the vulnerability 40:21.100 --> 40:25.460 code itself that I was reading through to see how it worked. I'm not going to put my 40:25.460 --> 40:29.180 name on it and re-release it. I'm not going to jump in there and get my feet. No way. 40:29.740 --> 40:34.940 No way. I read it to see how it worked. You know, I found it interesting. But come on, 40:35.000 --> 40:39.900 people. Don't go out there and stick your foot in there just because you find, oh, I 40:39.900 --> 40:44.700 got some dude hooked me up. This elite guy on IRC sent me the source code, and I modified 40:44.700 --> 40:49.000 it, and now I'm elite, you know. Well, guess what? Yeah, you're elite in jail while you're 40:49.000 --> 40:55.020 bent over tossing somebody's salad. How elite are you now? Oh, that's a good show. How elite 40:55.020 --> 41:03.000 are you now? I like that. It's been a shirt. Yeah. Like Rax is a, Rax, I think Duel told 41:03.000 --> 41:06.900 me that Rax has a shirt that says, I'm not a hacker, I'm a computer security analyst. 41:07.740 --> 41:13.220 Hmm. Nice, I want that. Yeah. Well, we ought to, well, never mind. We'll talk about that 41:13.220 --> 41:16.960 in a later show. We need to, we need to come up with some DDP shirts and slogans and stuff. 41:16.960 --> 41:20.820 I think we should have a, well, what am I going to say? I have way too many other things 41:20.820 --> 41:28.420 on my plate right now to think about that. Anyway, here's another topic that I wanted 41:28.420 --> 41:32.960 to talk about because this to me, all right, let me just read this, Mutant, and you tell 41:32.960 --> 41:36.780 me what you think of this. Okay. And this is from an old Computer World magazine. This 41:36.780 --> 41:43.940 may be a couple months old, but it says, quote, the number of organized hacking syndicates 41:43.940 --> 41:48.420 targeting financial institutions around the world is growing at a disturbingly fast 41:48.420 --> 41:54.140 rate. And so is the number of banks willing to pay these high-tech extortionist hush money 41:54.140 --> 41:59.820 to protect their reputations, according to a security expert at the World Bank. First 41:59.820 --> 42:03.120 of all, I don't know if there is a security expert at the World Bank. If it is, he's a putz. 42:03.800 --> 42:08.860 It goes on to say, cases in which banks, brokerage firms, and other financial institutions have 42:08.860 --> 42:15.040 quietly paid hacking syndicates extortion money are extremely widespread, said Tom Kellerman, 42:15.340 --> 42:18.340 senior data risk manager specialist in the World Bank in Washington. 42:19.160 --> 42:23.860 You think you don't pay off the banks? I do it every week. My PayPal's both money. 42:24.180 --> 42:26.680 Ugh, man, I guess I'm missing out on this. 42:26.780 --> 42:27.540 Missing out, man. 42:27.740 --> 42:28.400 I'm not elite. 42:28.820 --> 42:31.600 It's the dot-com era, man, of the banking extortionists. 42:31.960 --> 42:36.260 They claim that 80% of these things go unreported. 42:36.260 --> 42:44.140 Rule number one, you need proof. If I call up Apple and I say, I got a bomb, and I'm going 42:44.140 --> 42:50.040 to blow up your building, and I want $10 million, you just don't send them $10 million. You 42:50.040 --> 42:51.500 see if they have the proof. 42:52.900 --> 42:58.440 Well, and their excuse for that is, and here, it goes on. It says, moreover, he contends 42:58.440 --> 43:03.460 that IT employees keep many of these incidents from senior banking executives, quote, due to 43:03.460 --> 43:08.800 the reality that they may be fired. Banks don't report these incidents mainly because 43:08.800 --> 43:13.560 they want to maintain customer and investor trust, according to Kellerman. So they don't 43:13.560 --> 43:17.580 want to look bad. That's the bottom line. They don't want to look bad. They don't want 43:17.580 --> 43:21.360 to lose their job, the individuals. The companies don't want to look bad. So they're claiming 43:21.360 --> 43:26.440 that 80% go unreported. Well, guess what? I think that's utter and complete bullshit. 43:26.440 --> 43:33.480 I think that anybody is losing 80% of these things that are going unreported. They're losing 43:33.480 --> 43:37.840 that much money and having that many attacks, successful attacks, which is what they're 43:37.840 --> 43:43.600 insinuating, and they're not telling anyone, I don't buy it for a second. I don't buy it 43:43.600 --> 43:49.380 for a second. If somebody breaks into my box, I'm going after them. You know? I don't know 43:49.380 --> 43:54.320 if there's... Anyway, if I were a bank, that is to say. If somebody breaks into my box at 43:54.320 --> 44:00.640 the house, well, first of all, more power to you. I'd like to see it. But if you're 44:00.640 --> 44:04.900 in a banking institution and you get robbed of money, you better report it and you better 44:04.900 --> 44:09.960 go after somebody. And if you don't... I'm sorry, I think you're a fool. Am I wrong on this? 44:09.960 --> 44:18.140 No, because first of all, it's money. Money is... Sadly enough, it's worth a lot these days. 44:18.700 --> 44:23.140 It should be, you know, it should be like, you know, your skill today, but you know, the amount 44:23.140 --> 44:27.920 of money, it's who you are in the world. So, okay, you got to go find yourself and it's not 44:27.920 --> 44:34.360 they're taking it from you. You don't have it anymore. Go get it back. Or hide it so you 44:34.360 --> 44:38.640 don't lose your job. Exactly. Oh, come on. I don't believe that for a second. You know what? 44:38.640 --> 44:44.300 I think, I tend to believe how they beefed these numbers up or how they skewed these 44:44.300 --> 44:51.700 numbers is they're claiming and insinuating that this is from, what was their term? Extortionists 44:51.700 --> 44:56.000 hacking syndicates. What the hell is a hacking syndicate, first of all? Is it DDP? Are 44:56.000 --> 45:01.960 we a hacking syndicate? Totally, man. We are like... Ah, for crying. We're global. PR, like 45:01.960 --> 45:05.620 everywhere. We got like dudes in Russia sitting in the back of the room just hacking away 45:05.620 --> 45:13.300 the keyboard, man. I think they beefed these numbers up by every single tiny little incident 45:13.300 --> 45:19.300 if somebody pings their server. Some script kitty does a port scan on them. I think they 45:19.300 --> 45:24.720 used that to claim that was an incident where somebody, you know, they're disguising it. 45:24.760 --> 45:28.720 They didn't get any money. They didn't get it. But they're using that to exaggerate the 45:28.720 --> 45:32.960 news to scare, you know. And when someone types in the wrong password. Yeah. Three 45:32.960 --> 45:37.520 times, oh, alert the media. Exactly. No, no, don't alert the media. That's what they're 45:37.520 --> 45:41.720 going to say. Right. So they're trying to make it look like they're more in distress 45:41.720 --> 45:45.060 than they really are. I bet like no one's even tried breaking in because, first of all, 45:45.080 --> 45:50.600 there's that thing of that error of we break in, they're going to find us. It's that Cold 45:50.600 --> 45:54.580 War thing. Like, we have bombs. Russia has bombs. We're not going to bomb each other because 45:54.580 --> 45:59.260 we both know. What's going to happen? No one's going to go either way. 46:00.960 --> 46:08.400 Yeah. The other, you know, and anybody, well, let me be careful saying this. I don't know 46:08.400 --> 46:15.260 that in the United States anybody would be dumb enough to attack a bank inside the United States. 46:15.260 --> 46:22.160 You know, if this were true, this is country to country hacking. So you're not tied up. If 46:22.160 --> 46:27.720 you do this within the United States, you're going to get caught. You really are. Mitnick 46:27.720 --> 46:31.880 got caught. Everybody, you're going to get caught. They will find you. They don't play when it 46:31.880 --> 46:37.700 comes to money. So I don't believe for a second that 80% have gone unreported. If you hack into 46:37.700 --> 46:42.640 a bank and steal money, they are going to find you. The only way they wouldn't is if you're 46:42.640 --> 46:48.280 in another country where they can't reach and use their repressive laws to get to you 46:48.280 --> 46:53.440 and B, if you're good on top of that and cover your tracks very well, they might not be able 46:53.440 --> 47:05.320 to tell what country you're coming from, etc., etc. So that's travel hacking. You take 47:05.320 --> 47:12.540 a trip to Russia. You plan it all out. You footprint the system. You read my new article on targeting 47:12.540 --> 47:16.820 theory and the new issue have been revolution, binary revolution. Don't use credit card. 47:16.920 --> 47:20.940 Don't use PayPal with credit card. You just get over there. Now, you know, I don't want 47:20.940 --> 47:24.720 to sound like I'm telling people how to hack into a bank here. I'm just saying if you're 47:24.720 --> 47:28.920 going to do this smart, you know, think this all the way through. That's all. I'll just 47:28.920 --> 47:34.140 leave it at that. I'll just leave it at that. Don't hack from home. That means don't hack 47:34.140 --> 47:38.020 from inside your home. Don't hack from inside your state. Don't hack from inside your own 47:38.020 --> 47:45.480 country. You know, you take that, read into that what you will. Anyway, why don't we move 47:45.480 --> 47:49.580 on to something you were telling me about. We talked about this before on RFA, but the 47:49.580 --> 47:50.620 power lines thing. 47:52.000 --> 47:52.360 BPL. 47:52.360 --> 48:02.120 BPL is broadband or power lines, oddly enough. Basically what it's doing is, well, you have 48:02.120 --> 48:07.080 your power thing. It's going everywhere. Power's everywhere. We usually just hit a blackout 48:07.080 --> 48:12.540 about power. Well, what it's going to do is, how power works is a sine wave that goes back 48:12.540 --> 48:16.640 and forth. Alternating current goes back and forth, back and forth. It's 60 hertz a second. 48:16.640 --> 48:22.040 So, what that means is 60 hertz a second. So, that's how you have this nice little light 48:22.040 --> 48:26.120 bulb next to me, powering and letting me read my show notes. What they're going to do is, 48:26.160 --> 48:33.540 they're going to add another radio wave down there to carry your broadband. What that's 48:33.540 --> 48:39.220 going to do is, it runs at the same frequencies that run at the amateur high frequency or HF 48:39.220 --> 48:43.560 bands. So, what that does is, and they have a test, they have a movie of this on the 48:43.560 --> 48:53.620 A-double-R-L.org has a video of them scanning the HF bands, and all they hear is static during 48:53.620 --> 48:57.900 these power lines. There's a couple tests, maybe just one or two test cities that hit 48:57.900 --> 49:01.120 broadband over power lines, and the people love it because, you know, they get broadband, 49:01.440 --> 49:03.800 but it absolutely killed ham radio. 49:04.860 --> 49:05.440 How so? 49:05.440 --> 49:11.420 Because what happens, if you go over to How Stuff Works, go over to those sites and look 49:11.420 --> 49:16.500 up how ham radio works, at the higher frequencies, it doesn't travel as far, but the lower frequencies 49:16.500 --> 49:23.560 you go around the world. Now, at these lower frequencies, power lines are everywhere, so 49:23.560 --> 49:29.300 you can't turn your radio on and not hear all this static and stuff coming over these power 49:29.300 --> 49:35.420 lines, all this high frequency static coming over and ruining your reception. Now, it's 49:35.420 --> 49:39.540 what this does is there's no more amateur radio, because that's really what amateur radio 49:39.540 --> 49:44.980 is today, this cross-country communications. That means there's no more emergency radio. 49:45.380 --> 49:50.940 You basically kill an emergency resource with this. This is horrible. 49:51.480 --> 49:56.140 Well, it wouldn't get approved if they were destroying emergency radio. You're talking about 49:56.140 --> 49:59.000 the emergency fire, the emergency weather, stuff like that. 49:59.000 --> 50:05.440 But amateur radio is not just happy fun time with old guys. It was built as a public service. 50:06.440 --> 50:11.660 One of the major tenets of amateur radio is this ability to work and coordinate with any 50:11.660 --> 50:14.320 local fire to police department, whatever they want to do. 50:14.480 --> 50:19.340 Right, and surely they can't, when rolling out this broadband power line technology, surely 50:19.340 --> 50:24.700 they can't interfere with critical infrastructure like that. 50:25.540 --> 50:31.000 They might be. That's the problem. They don't understand what the sweeping effects it has. 50:32.160 --> 50:36.240 Well, hopefully in their testing and rolling this out in test markets, they'll realize and 50:36.240 --> 50:37.720 come across that and adapt to it. 50:37.720 --> 50:43.860 It runs between like 5 and 50 megahertz exact, whatever range. It destroys ham radio. That's 50:43.860 --> 50:49.880 a major thing. If you think about it, in the blackout, there's no power except for ham radio 50:49.880 --> 50:54.800 operators that had batteries. They were relaying messages. People were relaying between like 50:54.800 --> 51:01.360 1,000 and 3,000 messages that are weak for people because there's nothing else because no one 51:01.360 --> 51:05.000 else had power. Everyone else is like plugging in the wall and work. Well, it didn't work for 51:05.000 --> 51:11.120 three days, whatever, five days. You destroy a major resource when that happens. 51:11.120 --> 51:15.580 Well, it'll be interesting to see how this evolves. 51:16.020 --> 51:21.540 Yeah, and it's going to be, if it happens, there's going to be so much protest about this. 51:21.680 --> 51:26.220 Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure. You know, it's not just from, like you said, a bunch of old guys. 51:26.440 --> 51:35.060 It's going to be, that's a critical infrastructure. It may not be, people don't realize that radio 51:35.060 --> 51:41.100 is so important to weather, to emergency situations. That is what they use for communications. 51:41.840 --> 51:47.120 It's not used in little or no other circumstances, so people don't know and appreciate it as much. 51:47.120 --> 51:53.320 But that is a critical, critical part of our infrastructure. And I don't see how they could 51:53.320 --> 52:02.240 approve, the FCC could possibly approve this, knowing, I don't know. Unless there's some 52:02.240 --> 52:06.380 way they can work it out where it doesn't interfere, obviously, but I don't know enough 52:06.380 --> 52:07.840 about the technology to know that. 52:08.080 --> 52:09.160 Powerline's like a big antenna. 52:09.720 --> 52:10.580 Right, exactly. 52:10.940 --> 52:15.460 Flying at whatever amount of power, it's just going to destroy stuff. And you see this, 52:15.540 --> 52:18.440 if you watch this movie, watch this movie, it's really low quality, but you can still see 52:18.440 --> 52:22.260 what's going on. And they have a radio set up, and they're going around the dial. And 52:22.260 --> 52:23.080 all you hear is... 52:23.080 --> 52:26.280 And what was that? A-R-R-P dot org? 52:26.600 --> 52:31.980 A-R-R-L dot org. Amateur Radio, Amateur Relay Radio League. 52:32.780 --> 52:33.260 Dot org. 52:33.380 --> 52:36.860 Radio Relay League, whatever. A-R-R-L dot org. 52:37.120 --> 52:39.640 Okay, I'll check that out myself after the show. I'm curious. 52:39.840 --> 52:45.420 You're at the top of the page, and there's a BPL testing movie or whatever. And watch that, 52:45.420 --> 52:49.920 and you see the problems it's going to cause. They set up some town with a broadband over 52:49.920 --> 52:55.920 power lines and all. It's... If they pass it, it's going to be... 52:55.920 --> 52:57.000 A mess? 52:57.520 --> 52:58.400 It's going to be a mess. 52:58.620 --> 52:59.480 It's going to be a mess? 52:59.720 --> 53:00.340 Yeah, a mess. 53:01.280 --> 53:03.240 It really is. There's no other way to put it. 53:03.460 --> 53:03.680 No. 53:03.900 --> 53:05.120 It's going to be a mess? 53:05.460 --> 53:07.240 So stick with your cable internet and be happy. 53:07.660 --> 53:09.160 What kind of bandwidth does that have, though? 53:09.420 --> 53:11.120 I have no idea. I don't know. 53:11.120 --> 53:16.860 If I can get, like, you know, five megabits per second, then fuck all you hams. 53:16.960 --> 53:20.080 You can figure something else out. I'm taking my bandwidth, man. 53:20.100 --> 53:22.000 That's more porn than any one man can handle. 53:24.380 --> 53:25.740 That was a little joke there, by the way. 53:25.840 --> 53:26.140 Don't send... 53:26.140 --> 53:26.500 Oh, don't tell... 53:26.500 --> 53:29.600 All the hammers out there, don't send me hate mail. That was just a little humor there. 53:29.800 --> 53:31.360 Don't tell Parallel about that. 53:31.520 --> 53:31.760 Yeah. 53:32.540 --> 53:36.460 Oh, he's already got terabytes of porn anyway. He doesn't need to download anymore. 53:36.900 --> 53:37.220 Jesus. 53:37.220 --> 53:40.380 Um, let's see. 53:41.000 --> 53:44.840 Did you want... There's also... We had a topic... We got a little bit of time. 53:44.900 --> 53:46.720 You want to touch on this Nintendo thing real quick? 53:47.040 --> 53:48.580 It's old, man, but yeah, yes. 53:49.980 --> 53:51.440 Um, Nintendo... 53:51.440 --> 53:53.040 Let me just talk to the people for a second. 53:53.200 --> 53:54.080 Okay, talk to the people. 53:54.200 --> 53:58.260 What happens is we talk about so much stuff, we have to roll news over. 53:59.140 --> 54:00.540 And this is, like, two months old. 54:00.780 --> 54:01.580 No, it's not. 54:02.060 --> 54:02.820 It's old, man. 54:04.940 --> 54:06.700 Um, let's see. 54:07.600 --> 54:08.720 And Kennedy is shot. 54:08.820 --> 54:09.380 Yeah, it's old. 54:09.580 --> 54:10.300 This is pretty old. 54:10.380 --> 54:11.360 All right, you want... We'll skip this. 54:11.380 --> 54:14.660 We'll skip this, because we are actually just about out of time, so... 54:14.660 --> 54:15.480 Whoa, he's finished the show. 54:15.700 --> 54:16.760 The show notes are done. 54:17.240 --> 54:18.400 The show notes are done. 54:18.480 --> 54:20.880 We actually did not have to use all the extra material. 54:21.560 --> 54:22.520 And I'm tearing them up. 54:23.140 --> 54:23.620 All right. 54:23.640 --> 54:24.800 Because we have nothing else to do. 54:25.280 --> 54:27.820 No, um, all we have to do is shout-outs. 54:27.820 --> 54:29.100 You got any special shout-outs tonight? 54:29.260 --> 54:29.720 Nothing, man. 54:29.760 --> 54:30.120 I'm old. 54:30.380 --> 54:31.180 Hey, I got one kid. 54:31.600 --> 54:35.840 This guy next to me lived next to me for, like, my whole little, uh, childhood. 54:36.360 --> 54:37.840 And then he becomes this lead hacker, man. 54:37.940 --> 54:38.960 I'll talk to him. 54:39.300 --> 54:40.400 I don't want to say his name. 54:40.480 --> 54:41.800 You know, I don't want to get him all pissed off. 54:41.880 --> 54:43.180 But I'm going to talk to him pretty soon. 54:43.280 --> 54:44.320 He was... 54:44.320 --> 54:49.900 I only realize now his leatness from when I was a little, little tyke in first grade. 54:50.300 --> 54:52.200 But, pfft, God damn. 54:53.720 --> 54:59.620 And, um, uh, oh, since I mentioned that, uh, BinRev 1.2 is out, I definitely got to give 54:59.620 --> 55:00.860 a shout-out to Logan 5. 55:01.240 --> 55:03.820 An amazing, amazing job once again. 55:04.220 --> 55:05.200 Don't even, don't even... 55:05.200 --> 55:05.680 You won't even... 55:05.680 --> 55:08.200 You think it's like, oh, oh, it's just a cool magazine? 55:08.340 --> 55:08.560 No. 55:09.300 --> 55:10.300 It'll blow your mind. 55:10.400 --> 55:12.360 It, it, it just... 55:12.360 --> 55:14.300 Yeah, I just can't even put it into words. 55:14.540 --> 55:16.000 It just... 55:16.000 --> 55:16.820 It, not... 55:16.820 --> 55:18.920 You know, I think the content is good myself. 55:19.680 --> 55:24.040 But then, in addition to that, I mean, it's, it's beautiful. 55:24.480 --> 55:28.860 I don't know if that's corny to say that, but, you know, the layout that he does to the 55:28.860 --> 55:34.100 interior of the magazine accentuates the articles, adds to the articles, and then the cover 55:34.100 --> 55:40.300 this month, you know, the inside cover, the back cover, the front cover, the last issue. 55:40.760 --> 55:42.140 It's, it's amazing. 55:42.460 --> 55:46.800 This, if you haven't looked already, again, go to magazine.binrev.com, check out the new 55:46.800 --> 55:47.060 cover. 55:47.180 --> 55:48.040 I think it's awesome. 55:49.120 --> 55:50.380 Go ahead and put your order in. 55:50.460 --> 55:54.600 By the time this airs, I should have them printed and on their way. 55:54.600 --> 55:57.520 So, um, again, shout outs to him. 55:57.980 --> 56:01.100 Um, I'm actually going to try to have him on next week, Mute, because I, I guess, Mute, 56:01.160 --> 56:04.120 why don't you, are you going to announce to the people, or are you going to be taking 56:04.120 --> 56:07.580 some time off here since school's starting back up, or how do you want to, what do you 56:07.580 --> 56:08.060 want to do here? 56:08.060 --> 56:12.400 As some of you may or may not know, uh, and maybe you know by my voice, I'm, I'm, I'm, 56:12.400 --> 56:13.720 I'm a youngin'. 56:13.720 --> 56:14.720 Well, you're not that young. 56:14.960 --> 56:19.420 I'm not that, okay, fine, I'm not that young, but in the grand scheme of people. 56:19.800 --> 56:21.540 Compared to me, you're young, but yeah, go ahead. 56:21.540 --> 56:27.760 When a kid says to someone, 30 years old, I've heard that, well then, yeah, I'm young. 56:28.340 --> 56:32.880 Okay, so, you know, and I'm going into senior year of high school, and I kind of screwed 56:32.880 --> 56:38.700 up, because hacking, uh, kind of overwhelmed me last year, and grades were up there, but 56:38.700 --> 56:43.780 not, not wonderful, so this, uh, this year's got to be the best year I've ever had. 56:44.300 --> 56:45.480 Well, it damn well better be. 56:45.960 --> 56:46.620 It has to be. 56:46.720 --> 56:48.380 Or I'm going to come up there and kick your ass. 56:48.380 --> 56:51.720 I'm going to be flipping hot, I'm going to be flipping hamburgers at McD wireless or 56:51.720 --> 56:51.880 something. 56:52.100 --> 56:52.360 Yeah. 56:52.780 --> 56:57.440 So, uh, you're not going to get much hacking on that, so, yeah, I might take a, a sabbatical, 56:57.560 --> 57:02.780 a hiatus, however you want to say it, and, you know, it's going to be the mute season finale. 57:03.620 --> 57:07.460 Well, we'll probably have you back on on occasion when you get, when you get a break or vacation. 57:07.820 --> 57:12.740 I might not be hitting the boards enough, but I mean, we'll definitely be, uh, pounding 57:12.740 --> 57:17.020 those graves after I get, you know, accepted to prestigious colleges across the world. 57:17.020 --> 57:19.520 And let me just tell everyone right now, I'm not applying to MIT. 57:20.400 --> 57:22.100 Now, my people say, mute, you can get in. 57:22.200 --> 57:27.940 Well, no, because I've heard horror stories from MIT, and I just don't want to. 57:27.980 --> 57:29.660 It was a crapshoot to apply there. 57:30.500 --> 57:32.920 I wish I could have gone to MIT myself, but. 57:33.820 --> 57:35.640 I've just heard horror, I've just heard bad things. 57:36.220 --> 57:38.240 Well, don't listen to what you heard. 57:38.340 --> 57:39.280 Make your own decision. 57:39.420 --> 57:40.080 Go check it out. 57:40.600 --> 57:41.360 I might go there and. 57:41.580 --> 57:42.620 Put it on the world tour. 57:42.620 --> 57:47.460 See what's flying over there, but, you know, I got some, I got four colleges lined up. 57:47.560 --> 57:48.960 They're all pretty, pretty neat stuff. 57:49.480 --> 57:53.600 So, when I get accepted and when I can kind of chill, I'll be definitely getting back to 57:53.600 --> 57:56.060 those, but, uh, don't worry. 57:56.180 --> 57:56.920 Mute will not die. 57:57.880 --> 57:59.100 Oh, no, I'm sure not. 57:59.560 --> 58:00.260 Boy, never die. 58:00.740 --> 58:05.340 We, you know, and this, there's a, you know, this, like I said earlier, too, I'm, I'm taking 58:05.340 --> 58:06.740 a class, and I am old. 58:07.460 --> 58:08.560 There's no doubt about it. 58:08.560 --> 58:10.460 I am old, and I'm going back to take a class. 58:10.460 --> 58:12.240 And it doesn't count for anything. 58:12.380 --> 58:16.140 For me, I'm doing it because of the, you know, the love of knowledge and the learning and 58:16.140 --> 58:16.820 stuff like that. 58:17.220 --> 58:23.480 Mute knows what's important, and he's emphasizing his education because he knows that that is 58:23.480 --> 58:26.440 the foundation to what he can and will do in the future. 58:26.700 --> 58:30.100 So, you know, put things into perspective sometimes. 58:30.280 --> 58:33.360 Does it suck to get up at five or six in the morning sometimes to go to school? 58:33.680 --> 58:35.740 Yeah, of course it does. 58:36.100 --> 58:36.840 But guess what? 58:36.840 --> 58:41.740 Your alternative is to not go to school, be in, you know, get on, hit the boards for 58:41.740 --> 58:45.940 a few years, think you're an elite hacker, and then, you know, you have no money, no 58:45.940 --> 58:49.960 job, no way to make a living, and you're not going to be hacking four or five years from 58:49.960 --> 58:54.260 now because you're going to be struggling, flipping burgers, and, you know, making hash browns, 58:54.280 --> 58:56.460 smattered, smothered, covered, chunked, whatever. 58:56.940 --> 59:00.360 That's the thing, because I've always heard, like, I always tell myself, I don't have to 59:00.360 --> 59:00.580 worry. 59:00.880 --> 59:02.220 No one knows what they're talking about. 59:02.560 --> 59:04.240 It's like, oh, there's all information out of date. 59:04.240 --> 59:05.640 No one understands me. 59:06.320 --> 59:10.120 Well, let me tell you, I do understand, and you're going to fuck your life up. 59:10.600 --> 59:10.680 Yeah. 59:11.120 --> 59:11.680 The work. 59:12.160 --> 59:16.300 So I hear the young, it's these young kids that, they are super smart. 59:16.440 --> 59:18.600 Let me, Freak Lay is young brain. 59:18.720 --> 59:20.020 I know you love, oh, Swigger. 59:20.320 --> 59:21.500 Swigger's got to get the shout out. 59:21.580 --> 59:23.400 He says, tickles his penis when he mentioned that. 59:23.780 --> 59:25.640 I'm in red, but we'll talk about that later. 59:26.020 --> 59:27.000 He needs to talk to Parallel. 59:27.000 --> 59:37.720 So, anyways, these kids have to learn and to grow now, because in a few short years, 59:37.780 --> 59:38.580 you're going to go to college. 59:39.100 --> 59:43.460 And if your stuff isn't on the top of the notch, because every year that goes by in college, 59:43.720 --> 59:48.520 every year that goes by up to the day you apply to college, is the hardest year to get 59:48.520 --> 59:49.180 into college. 59:49.180 --> 59:53.460 It means everyone wants a good education, to get a good job. 59:54.600 --> 59:55.740 You work your ass off. 59:56.180 --> 59:58.300 You stop, you have to stop the hacking. 59:59.060 --> 01:00:00.580 I don't know if that's bad, but you have to. 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:01.240 Pause. 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:03.100 You pause, yeah, pause it. 01:00:03.200 --> 01:00:03.960 Hit the start button. 01:00:04.620 --> 01:00:05.060 Pause it. 01:00:05.140 --> 01:00:05.660 Walk away. 01:00:06.060 --> 01:00:07.100 Walk away for a year or two. 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:08.960 Get your shit straight, and come back. 01:00:09.100 --> 01:00:10.220 We'll be here when you get back. 01:00:10.420 --> 01:00:10.620 Yeah. 01:00:11.340 --> 01:00:12.640 All right, let's get off the soapbox. 01:00:12.640 --> 01:00:19.380 I've got to give a shout-out also, again, to Rocket from Interzone, to Acidus and Virgil. 01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:23.600 Good luck with, you know, do what you've got to do. 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.140 You know, I know the situation, so I've got to give shout-outs to them for what they went 01:00:28.140 --> 01:00:28.440 through. 01:00:28.820 --> 01:00:32.580 And if you have email, send it to us, letters at binrev.com. 01:00:33.020 --> 01:00:34.560 And that is it. 01:00:34.560 --> 01:00:43.700 Our closing music this week is from Rocket Productions, and it's called Hypnotic. 01:00:44.660 --> 01:00:45.300 That's it. 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:51.200 So I guess we won't see you next week, same hack time, same hack channel, but we will see 01:00:51.200 --> 01:00:53.040 the listeners next week, same hack time. 01:00:53.040 --> 01:00:54.560 Make the parting music. 01:00:55.200 --> 01:00:57.820 Boop, boop, boop, boop. 01:00:59.900 --> 01:01:01.200 Okay, whatever. 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:02.100 No, it's 24. 01:01:02.660 --> 01:01:03.420 Best show ever. 01:01:03.420 --> 01:01:03.900 Goodbye. 01:01:03.900 --> 01:01:05.280 Oh, okay. 01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:06.540 Well, I have to take your word for it. 01:01:06.580 --> 01:01:07.100 I don't watch that. 01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:11.460 Anyway, we will see everyone else, though, next week, same hack time. 01:01:12.100 --> 01:01:13.000 Same hack channel. 01:01:13.600 --> 01:01:14.000 Later. 01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:14.820 Later. 01:01:14.820 --> 01:01:16.520 Later. 01:01:16.520 --> 01:01:16.780 Later. 01:01:25.460 --> 01:01:25.620 Later. 01:01:25.680 --> 01:01:26.060 Later. 01:01:26.240 --> 01:01:27.040 Sure. 01:01:27.040 --> 01:01:27.640 Later. 01:01:27.640 --> 01:01:27.980 Later. 01:01:27.980 --> 01:01:28.520 Later. 01:01:28.520 --> 01:01:28.740 Later. 01:01:28.740 --> 01:01:29.080 Later. 01:01:29.080 --> 01:01:29.140 Later. 01:01:29.140 --> 01:01:29.800 Life. 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:30.420 Later. 01:01:30.420 --> 01:01:30.760 Later. 01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:31.580 Later. 01:01:31.580 --> 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