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This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers

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I see in binary, I speak source code

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Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose

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In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho

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Cause I'm riding the net in my six-fold

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I was a dick with my 56

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Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable

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On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo

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On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a Nero

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In a flash, I'll screw you on burning dreamcast

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You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle

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Our exchange you could never stifle

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In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug

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I bootlegged your CD, I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z

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Cause CG, it's all gonna be free

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Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely

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You feel that rattle in your bones?

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When I tell you we just hacked out Jones

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And NASDAQ, leave your fight on your back

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals

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Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANs, SIFs, SIFs

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This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack

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Alright, hello everyone

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I am Stankdawg and you are listening to Binary Revolution Radio

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Episode number 10

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Now you know that we are without the Wintermute this week

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Wintermute is actually going to be concentrating on school

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Which we talked about last episode

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So what we're going to be doing is rotating a bunch of new voices

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And a lot of new co-hosts into the show

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And one of them with us today is

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And you're not actually new to radio

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You've been on the show before

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You've been on RFA before

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Yeah

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So, Logan 5, welcome to the

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This is your first, this is your premiere episode of Binary Revolution Radio

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I'm a BinRev virgin

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Well, not anymore

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We have popped your BinRev cherry today

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Oh god, we're killing the young listeners here, right?

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I thought I'd have to have a good start

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Yeah

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Just up a little bit

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We'll just hope that someone's mom doesn't walk in when we say something like that

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We'll just have to be a family show

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Exactly

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Now, before we go into it

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We have a lot of stuff we're going to talk about today with Logan

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But before we do, I'm going to do a little bit of housekeeping

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Because I had a couple interesting emails I wanted to mention

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First of all, we talked about the So Big virus

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Last couple weeks, actually, we mentioned it

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And, you know, I have gotten a few of them, not many

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How about you?

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Have you, did you get

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I've gotten maybe 10 or 15

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Really?

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Over the weekend

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I mean, last Thursday, Friday, I got quite a bit

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Yeah, see, I've had them fairly consistently

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But, you know, maybe, I don't know, five a week

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For the last couple weeks

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Not too bad

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What's strange is I have about three different email accounts

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And they've all been going to one of them

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And it's the one that isn't really, that I don't use very much

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Hmm

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It's really kind of odd

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Hmm

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Well, I think we're both lucky

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Because Hackenslash says he has received 27

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So Bigs to his Yahoo account

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So Yahoo is not filtering some of that stuff out very well

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Now, I have several different accounts also

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But I'm consistently getting three, four, five to each one of the accounts

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You know, and it's easy enough to delete them out

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Or filter them out pretty easily

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So it hasn't been a problem

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It's really easy to identify them, too

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Yeah, there's a list of all the different things that they use

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And even based on the attachments

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You know, if I see something with a PIF attachment

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I don't even bother, you know, it's just, it's junk

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But add them to your kill file list

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And it'll take care of them, you know, pretty quickly

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So it hasn't been a problem

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I also had another email from someone who

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Well, it was from a real name

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And I'm just going to call this anonymous and go with it

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First of all, he said that we had a great hackers magazine and site

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Well, thank you very much

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But he couldn't find what he was looking for

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I was wondering, since you use Linux

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If you could tell me how to

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Or tell me of a website where I can find out

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How to hack my Sega Dreamcast to run Linux on it

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I'm sure it's not terribly hard

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But I'm really new at this

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Well, join the club

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I can honestly tell you

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I've never tried to put Linux on the Dreamcast

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Personally, myself

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But the short answer is yes

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There are absolutely ports

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There are projects of people trying to port Linux

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To the Dreamcast

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There was even a MAME

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The multi-arcade machine emulator

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That lets you play a lot of the old school games

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Arcade games as they were intended to be played

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It's a very popular emulator

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And it's been ported to several

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It was actually one of the reasons of porting Linux over there

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One of the features was that you would run LAME

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Or excuse me, MAME

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LAME would be the MP3 encoder we use

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MAME on the Dreamcast through Linux

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Yeah, there are a few

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I have some links for you

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But they're way too long to mention on the air

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Probably your best bet or good starting point

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Is to go to Linux DC

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As in Linux Dreamcast

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LinuxDC.sourceforge.net

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And I have a couple other links I can give you too

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What I'll do is

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When Hack and Slash sends the show notes

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I will put these links in there for you

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So that you can follow them from binrev.com

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And you can research it and check it out

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And actually get back to us

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Because as I said, I've never done that myself

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But I do know that there are people working on it

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From what I know, there was a working version

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It's not just a project in process

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It is actually working, I believe

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But the problem is

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Most of the interest has switched

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From running Linux on Dreamcast

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Or running Linux on PlayStation

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Or whatever

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Was when Xbox came out

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Well that was just like a call to hackers everywhere

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Everybody wanted to put

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Just for the sheer irony of it

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Not want to

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Yeah

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Everybody wanted to slap Microsoft in the face

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And Microsoft basically challenged people

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In not so many words

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To put Linux on there

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They said it couldn't be done

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So basically

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When that came out

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Everybody pretty much switched gears

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So I don't know if there's any progress

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Being made on the old Dreamcast Linux

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But like I said

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We'll put the links up there

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You check it out

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And actually I'd like to hear back from you

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And tell me

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Yeah, if you can pull it off

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That'd make a great submission to binrev

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Yeah, actually

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You know what?

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That is

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That would be a very good submission

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A step-by-step how-to sort of thing

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And yeah, by all means

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Keep in touch with us

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Let us know how it goes

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Another thing you might want to do

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Is email C4

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Go to Gamer Radio

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Game Radio

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Gamer Radio

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Games and

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What is it?

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Games and More Entertainment Radio

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At hwhq.com

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Send him an email

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And since they're more into gaming

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But he's also very good at Linux

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Those guys know what they're talking about too

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Maybe one of them actually has some hands-on experience

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So get in contact with them

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Again, hwhq.com

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And see if they might not be able to help you out

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So, um, you know

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I gotta start the show off

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I'm not pissed anymore

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I'm calmed down now

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However

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I started off a bad week last week

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Just before we were recording the show last week

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My fucking machine died again

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See, I can't make it through an episode without saying the F word

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I'm sorry

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Kids, cover your ears

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I have to say it

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I swear to god

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Windows XP sucks my cock

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I hate XP so fucking badly

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My machine died last week

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The day that I was going to record the show

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I stayed up all night

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Trying to figure out what was wrong with it

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Trying to back out anything that I've done recently

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Which wasn't anything that should have been

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You know, enough to damage the stupid thing

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Um

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But it's the principle

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Yeah, and this is not the first time, you know

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I mean, this is

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Windows

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If you install Windows on a clean, plain, normal, everyday, average box

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One CD-ROM driver, DVD

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One hard drive

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A floppy drive, processor

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Nothing

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Just a simple, everyday machine

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You know, it'll be fine

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It'll be fine

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But for power users

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People who try to

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Push the machine

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And, well, basically do what it was intended to do

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Be powerful and use it to its fullest effect

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You know, I have four or five hard drives in this box

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I have a DVD

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Slash CD-R burner combo drive in this box

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I have, you know, a lot of

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Temperature monitors

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And stuff like that in this box

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Um

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And that's what confuses Windows

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If you do anything unusual

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Or anything out of the ordinary

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It just

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Chokes on it

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It absolutely can't handle it

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So

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I was pissed off

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I had to basically reinstall the whole thing

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Well, that's a lie

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I didn't reinstall everything from scratch

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What happened was

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I narrowed it down to this

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Okay

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I

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Basically

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Um

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I did all the

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Critical updates

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And the critical updates

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Are fine

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That's not what crashed my box

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I updated everything

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But there's also something called

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Recommended updates

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Which were

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Which are just other little things

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They're not necessarily critical

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They're not necessarily security problems per se

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They're suggested upgrades

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They're not required for you to download

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One of them

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I don't know which one of them

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Because I just grabbed the whole batch of them

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I think it was like nine or ten of them

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And put them on

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One of them caused my box to not reboot

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And now I can boot into safe mode

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And when I boot into safe mode

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It's um

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I go through and I

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Try to do a rollback to the previous

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You know, before I installed all of those

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It doesn't help

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It does not uninstall things like drivers

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And stuff like that

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Which I think is what the problem is

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I think there's a driver it doesn't like

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Who recommended these recommended downloads?

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Well, our good friends at Microsoft

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I guess Bill Gates himself

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Yeah, so

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You know, basically

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I

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The bottom line is

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I had to get my original Windows XP CD

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Boot from it

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Do a repair

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Which is basically a reinstall

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It overwrites all of your system files

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With the original stuff from the CD

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Which ironically means

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You have to go back to the Windows update

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To install the service packs

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And the critical updates all over again

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Put you there in the first place

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Right

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But I just did not install

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Any of the recommended updates

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So

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Anybody that's listening

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Wants to hack me

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If you find something

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In the recommended updates

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That will actually

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Make my box vulnerable

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I'm wide open to it

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Because Microsoft sucks dog cocks

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Boy, I really took the show away

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I hope there's no kids

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Listening to the show

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Because I really just

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Perverted the whole thing now

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Well, you only told the truth

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Well, yeah

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I mean, basically

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Yeah, here

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Let me give you the short version

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Fuck Microsoft

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There

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That's the short version

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Of the whole thing

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Yay

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And I'm not about to go through

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One by one

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I mean, like I said

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There's ten of them

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I could technically go through

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And install one at a time

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And see if the box comes back up

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But I shouldn't have to do that

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And I refuse to out of principle

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So, fuck Microsoft

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That's the moral of that story

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I always look at it

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From the perspective

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That maybe that's what

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Windows XP is supposed to do

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It's supposed to hose your machine

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Well

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Working as intended

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If that's the case

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It does a damn good job

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Damn good job

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They're consistent

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You've got to say that much

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Well, yeah

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They get points for consistency

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But

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I don't know

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I'm tempted to give out the award

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But you know what

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I think

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It's too obvious

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To give them the

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Fuck none of the month award

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So I'm just

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No, that's too obvious

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I also was out

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Just kind of play hacking

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This past week

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I was on vacation this week

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I'm back at work now

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As you listen to this

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Unfortunately

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But

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So on vacation

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I was just out

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Nosing around

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Places I'm not

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Probably supposed to be

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But

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Browsing through some

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Some servers

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Doing a little directory

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Transversal

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And I stumbled across

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What I just thought

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Was an interesting

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Naming convention

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I found

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Some boxes

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Some servers

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Some subdomains

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I guess

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Is probably what

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They really were

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But I'd never seen

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This naming convention

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Before

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Some of the names

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Were Dahmer

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Manson

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It was

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A list of

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Serial killers

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For node names

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Was that Dean in there?

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I don't remember

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All of them

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I just remember

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Obviously those

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Caught my attention

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Because they're

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The biggest names

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But I was like

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I wonder what

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They're using them for

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Hey

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You know what

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I didn't dig that far

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I saw what they were

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And actually

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It was

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One of them

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Was a VMX

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VMS box

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Actually I think

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It was

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Like I said

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Subdomains

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On the same box

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That's what I think

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It really was

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But one of them

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Was a VMS

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And they did have

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Some guest accounts

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They allowed you

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To go in and use

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And play around with it

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And I did that

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I haven't used VMS

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In probably

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Literally 10 years

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Since I've done

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Any real VMS work

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So that was actually

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Kind of fun

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I didn't spend

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You know

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15-20 minutes on it

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And then I had

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Other things to do

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Of course

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But that was actually

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A fun little diversion

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And also this past week

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Were 2600 meetings

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And at my 2600 meeting

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It was actually

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We had somebody

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From out of town

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At this meeting

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Which was very cool

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From 2600 meeting

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Up in Tennessee

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Actually

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Who was down here

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For doing some work

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For his company

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And he showed up

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Which was interesting

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Cy Pete

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Who is a friend of mine

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He did

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What I guess

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Would equate

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To a proof of concept

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At our meeting

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He has an article

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In the current issue

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Of Binary Revolution

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Magazine

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Pimp Pimp

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About cloning cell phones

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And he had acquired

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A new cell phone

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He bought it

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And basically cloned

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One phone over to another

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And we did it

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Following along

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With the article

13:41.500 --> 13:42.500
Basically in the magazine

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Which I took

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To the meeting as well

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And we basically

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Did this

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And showed

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That it works

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That it can be done

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And that it's true

13:49.780 --> 13:50.260
These things

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We verify these

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They actually work

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Very very cool

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Yeah and that

13:53.660 --> 13:54.580
That was really fun

13:54.580 --> 13:56.380
So I found that

13:56.380 --> 13:56.960
Very interesting

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And you know

13:58.660 --> 13:58.960
Again

13:58.960 --> 13:59.960
We verified

13:59.960 --> 14:00.920
All these things

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They actually work

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This is not just BS

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We actually check up

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On this stuff

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So that was very cool

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Now speaking of

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BinRev

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I don't have to ask

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What you've been doing

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For the last week

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Or the last month

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Because we all know

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What you've been working on

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Oh man

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I know

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You know

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And I say it again

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I'm going to say it to you

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Or live on the air

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Well pseudo live

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Thank you so much

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Because I do know

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How much it entails

14:26.400 --> 14:26.980
To go through

14:26.980 --> 14:27.700
All that kind of stuff

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It is not

14:28.380 --> 14:29.680
A fast process

14:29.680 --> 14:30.400
And it's not

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It's so

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It's so

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Make it up

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As you go along

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And winging it

14:37.840 --> 14:39.420
And it comes out

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Looking

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So professional

14:41.260 --> 14:42.800
And so well done

14:42.800 --> 14:43.420
I know we put

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We planned some things

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Out ahead of time

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But then at the last minute

14:46.940 --> 14:47.400
You know

14:47.400 --> 14:48.720
It ends up putting you

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On the spot

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And that's probably

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My fault

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It was like

14:50.680 --> 14:51.600
Oh well we didn't

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Think about this

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And oh shit

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We left out that

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So thank you so much

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For coming out

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1.2 is phenomenal

14:57.960 --> 14:58.600
The cover

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Honestly it's a blast

15:00.240 --> 15:00.960
To work on

15:00.960 --> 15:03.060
It's really a nice

15:03.060 --> 15:04.500
Diversion from my day job

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I mean I do that

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Pretty kind of thing

15:06.340 --> 15:06.900
All day long

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But this is stuff

15:07.780 --> 15:08.900
I get to have fun with

15:08.900 --> 15:09.920
I have an interest in it

15:09.920 --> 15:11.440
I actually learn a lot

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As I'm putting it together

15:12.360 --> 15:13.200
Because I kind of get

15:13.200 --> 15:14.220
You and I kind of get

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The first crack

15:14.900 --> 15:15.980
At the articles and stuff

15:15.980 --> 15:16.460
Right

15:16.460 --> 15:17.360
And you know

15:17.360 --> 15:18.700
Dool said he kind of

15:18.700 --> 15:19.620
Likes the surprise

15:19.620 --> 15:20.660
The feeling of surprise

15:20.660 --> 15:21.620
He actually helped do

15:21.620 --> 15:22.520
A lot of editing on it

15:22.520 --> 15:23.060
This time too

15:23.060 --> 15:24.140
But he said he kind of

15:24.140 --> 15:24.640
Liked that feeling

15:24.640 --> 15:25.500
Of being surprised

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By our own zine

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Which I understand

15:27.240 --> 15:28.120
But yeah you and I

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See it through the whole process

15:29.840 --> 15:30.520
And work on it

15:30.520 --> 15:31.260
From day one

15:31.260 --> 15:32.920
And I'm glad you mentioned

15:32.920 --> 15:33.660
Too about

15:33.660 --> 15:34.000
You know

15:34.000 --> 15:35.880
Everybody knows my day job

15:35.880 --> 15:36.900
I'm a computer programmer

15:36.900 --> 15:37.480
By day

15:37.480 --> 15:38.880
And I'm a computer programmer

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By night

15:39.400 --> 15:39.700
You know

15:39.700 --> 15:41.560
But it really is different

15:41.560 --> 15:42.600
You know people joke about

15:42.600 --> 15:43.000
What do you do

15:43.000 --> 15:43.560
When you get off work

15:43.560 --> 15:44.500
While I come home

15:44.500 --> 15:45.460
And I get on the computer

15:45.460 --> 15:46.200
Some more a lot

15:46.200 --> 15:46.480
You know

15:46.480 --> 15:46.880
It's like

15:46.880 --> 15:48.060
I like that

15:48.060 --> 15:48.740
When you're in

15:48.740 --> 15:49.760
It's a different environment

15:49.760 --> 15:51.140
And you're doing something

15:51.140 --> 15:51.980
You want to do

15:51.980 --> 15:52.700
As opposed to something

15:52.700 --> 15:53.600
You have to do

15:53.600 --> 15:55.020
And it really is

15:55.020 --> 15:56.160
It's a diversion for me

15:56.160 --> 15:56.820
So it's not

15:56.820 --> 15:58.680
I don't think of it as work

15:58.680 --> 16:00.700
I think of it as a diversion

16:00.700 --> 16:01.560
Of having fun

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And giving back

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And I'm glad that you said

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You feel the same way

16:04.880 --> 16:06.040
Because sometimes I feel like

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You know

16:06.760 --> 16:07.820
This is a lot of work

16:07.820 --> 16:08.380
I know it

16:08.380 --> 16:09.080
And I don't want to

16:09.080 --> 16:09.900
Burden you too much

16:09.900 --> 16:10.980
So I'm glad you actually

16:10.980 --> 16:12.400
Enjoy doing it

16:12.400 --> 16:14.060
And it is worth

16:14.060 --> 16:14.780
It is a lot of work

16:14.780 --> 16:15.560
But it's worth it

16:15.560 --> 16:16.220
Because look at

16:16.220 --> 16:17.040
I mean honestly

16:17.040 --> 16:18.340
I mean not to pat myself

16:18.340 --> 16:18.800
On the back

16:18.800 --> 16:20.500
But I like how the magazine looks

16:20.500 --> 16:21.740
I like the content

16:21.740 --> 16:23.160
I like everything about it

16:23.160 --> 16:24.440
Yeah and I agree

16:24.440 --> 16:25.620
It wouldn't be such a great

16:25.620 --> 16:26.300
You know not to use

16:26.300 --> 16:27.280
The term as a product

16:27.280 --> 16:27.920
But it wouldn't be

16:27.920 --> 16:28.600
A great product

16:28.600 --> 16:29.440
Without all the effort

16:29.440 --> 16:31.000
That everybody puts into it

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Right

16:31.240 --> 16:32.420
And we do

16:32.420 --> 16:33.640
We work hand in hand

16:33.640 --> 16:34.860
You know I have ideas

16:34.860 --> 16:35.380
Some good

16:35.380 --> 16:36.040
Some bad

16:36.040 --> 16:37.500
And same with you

16:37.500 --> 16:38.140
And you know

16:38.140 --> 16:38.640
It's like

16:38.640 --> 16:40.700
We work together

16:40.700 --> 16:41.500
We mesh together

16:41.500 --> 16:42.300
And so far

16:42.300 --> 16:43.120
You know we've

16:43.120 --> 16:43.900
We've been able to

16:43.900 --> 16:44.460
Put it together

16:44.460 --> 16:45.400
Into a great magazine

16:45.400 --> 16:46.600
I mean the cover

16:46.600 --> 16:47.640
The ideas for the cover

16:47.640 --> 16:48.680
We hammer out together

16:48.680 --> 16:50.220
We'll start with a vague concept

16:50.220 --> 16:51.100
And hammer it down

16:51.100 --> 16:53.340
And even with that

16:53.340 --> 16:54.600
When you still sent me the cover

16:54.600 --> 16:55.560
I was still shocked

16:55.560 --> 16:56.300
I was amazed

16:56.300 --> 16:57.240
You know at the cover

16:57.240 --> 16:57.620
So

16:57.620 --> 16:58.560
I'm glad

16:58.560 --> 16:59.900
Everybody likes that

16:59.900 --> 17:00.180
You know

17:00.180 --> 17:00.600
Yeah

17:00.600 --> 17:01.100
It's

17:01.100 --> 17:02.300
You know the thing is

17:02.300 --> 17:03.760
And that's why it's a combination

17:03.760 --> 17:04.260
Of the two

17:04.260 --> 17:05.080
People say

17:05.080 --> 17:06.260
You know I've heard comments

17:06.260 --> 17:07.260
Of people saying that

17:07.260 --> 17:08.900
You know all flash

17:08.900 --> 17:09.700
And no content

17:09.700 --> 17:10.220
Sometimes

17:10.220 --> 17:12.080
Not about us per se

17:12.080 --> 17:12.760
But in general

17:12.760 --> 17:13.160
You know

17:13.160 --> 17:13.880
Well

17:13.880 --> 17:15.760
You've got to have something

17:15.760 --> 17:17.160
You've got to make it look good

17:17.160 --> 17:18.620
You've got to make it look professional

17:18.620 --> 17:20.880
And look like you care about what you're doing

17:20.880 --> 17:21.480
What we do

17:21.480 --> 17:22.140
So

17:22.140 --> 17:23.920
When people see that cover

17:23.920 --> 17:25.320
And they see

17:25.320 --> 17:26.740
And we'll use 1.2

17:26.740 --> 17:27.620
When they see

17:27.620 --> 17:28.900
Tux on the cover

17:28.900 --> 17:30.640
When they see the Linux World Tour

17:30.640 --> 17:31.320
They say

17:31.320 --> 17:31.760
Hey

17:31.760 --> 17:33.600
I wonder what's inside

17:33.600 --> 17:36.160
And then when they open the magazine up

17:36.160 --> 17:37.740
And they see the content

17:37.740 --> 17:39.520
And the design

17:39.520 --> 17:40.060
And the layout

17:40.060 --> 17:41.960
It's the whole package

17:41.960 --> 17:44.660
Neither has any priority over the other

17:44.660 --> 17:46.140
You have to put it all together

17:46.140 --> 17:46.500
Yes

17:46.500 --> 17:47.600
They're all part of the whole

17:47.600 --> 17:48.340
Exactly

17:48.340 --> 17:49.040
Exactly

17:49.040 --> 17:49.920
So you know

17:49.920 --> 17:52.140
You've got to put asses in the seat

17:52.140 --> 17:52.960
So

17:52.960 --> 17:54.880
I think the combination of the two of them

17:54.880 --> 17:55.860
Is what's working

17:55.860 --> 17:56.260
And

17:56.260 --> 17:57.580
I'm not going to

17:57.580 --> 17:59.420
I won't branch into this too much

17:59.420 --> 18:00.260
But I'll just say

18:00.260 --> 18:02.960
Other people are stepping up their game

18:02.960 --> 18:04.720
In my opinion

18:04.720 --> 18:06.640
As a result of what we've done

18:06.640 --> 18:08.300
So I've seen improvements in other

18:08.300 --> 18:09.720
I've noticed it

18:09.720 --> 18:10.700
Because we talked about that a little bit

18:10.700 --> 18:10.880
Yeah

18:10.880 --> 18:11.800
We won't mention any names

18:11.800 --> 18:12.080
Let's

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Actually

18:12.560 --> 18:14.080
Why don't we go into talking about

18:14.080 --> 18:16.780
Let's talk about some of the things

18:16.780 --> 18:17.500
That are necessary

18:17.500 --> 18:18.620
In putting together

18:18.620 --> 18:19.900
A

18:19.900 --> 18:21.180
Actual

18:21.180 --> 18:22.040
Physical

18:22.040 --> 18:22.720
Printed

18:22.720 --> 18:23.700
Magazine

18:23.700 --> 18:25.100
In-bred technical manual

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Like

18:25.540 --> 18:26.640
Like for example

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Why don't you

18:27.700 --> 18:28.320
Well

18:28.320 --> 18:30.080
This is going to be a lot of you talking

18:30.080 --> 18:31.160
I'll just kind of

18:31.160 --> 18:32.700
I guess play the interviewer here

18:32.700 --> 18:34.720
What software do you use

18:34.720 --> 18:35.980
To design and lay out

18:35.980 --> 18:36.600
And stuff like that

18:36.600 --> 18:38.400
We know they come out as PDF files

18:38.400 --> 18:39.800
But why don't you give us an idea

18:39.800 --> 18:41.380
Of how you design and lay out

18:41.380 --> 18:42.020
And stuff like that

18:42.020 --> 18:42.480
Okay

18:42.480 --> 18:43.120
Well basically

18:43.120 --> 18:45.180
I mean I get fed all the articles

18:45.180 --> 18:46.460
But they're basically raw text

18:46.460 --> 18:47.260
ASCII files

18:47.260 --> 18:48.160
Which is great

18:48.160 --> 18:48.540
Because

18:48.540 --> 18:50.620
There's no fonts or anything to deal with

18:50.620 --> 18:52.180
I take all the text

18:52.180 --> 18:54.020
And basically I use three programs

18:54.020 --> 18:55.000
Photoshop

18:55.000 --> 18:55.680
Adobe Photoshop

18:55.680 --> 18:56.700
Adobe Illustrator

18:56.700 --> 18:57.860
And Adobe InDesign

18:57.860 --> 19:00.080
Everybody knows what Photoshop is

19:00.080 --> 19:01.360
It's graphic manipulation

19:01.360 --> 19:02.040
Right

19:02.040 --> 19:03.880
Illustrator is kind of

19:03.880 --> 19:06.160
I kind of call it a drawing program

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It's what they call

19:06.840 --> 19:08.520
A vector based drawing program

19:08.520 --> 19:10.440
That's what I do all the logos in

19:10.440 --> 19:11.100
That's

19:11.100 --> 19:11.720
Because when you do

19:11.720 --> 19:13.080
You can't really do a logo

19:13.080 --> 19:14.140
Very well in Photoshop

19:14.140 --> 19:15.060
Just because of the way

19:15.060 --> 19:16.060
The text will render

19:16.060 --> 19:18.040
And it looks a little funky

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You really want to draw

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That kind of thing

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In Illustrator

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It's a lot better for that

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Okay

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To put the actual pages together

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InDesign is

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It's a professional

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Page layout program

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If anybody's ever heard of

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Quark Express

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Right

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I remember Quark

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Yeah it's basically the same type of program as Quark Express

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I mean Quark is the industry standard for professional printing

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Any magazine book you buy

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It's going to be laid out in Quark

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InDesign has been around for

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I want to say maybe four years now

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And it's really catching up to Quark

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It's actually

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It's so much better than Quark now

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You can use so much more with it

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And those are basically the three that I use

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They're all

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I mean

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They're not cheap

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But

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That's where the quality comes through

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Right

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Well you know

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To a certain extent

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You get what you pay for

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You get what you pay for

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And

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The other thing is

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I mean

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Right now we're not to the point

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Where we're sending these out

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To have thousands and thousands

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Of copies printed

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We're basically making the PDFs

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And taking them to

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Where you know

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Kinko's or wherever

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To have them printed

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Right

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But

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If we were to say

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Get a major distributor

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That would be able to supply us with it

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With some sort of distribution network

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Where they were getting a thousand

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To two thousand copies

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We couldn't do that

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We couldn't take

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A

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What is it

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Microsoft publisher file

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To a printer

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And say

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Print a thousand of these

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They're going to look

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They're going to throw you out

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Because they only

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I mean

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Quark and InDesign

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Are the industry standards

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So any files that you make with that

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They're going to want those

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Right

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And

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Since you touched on that topic

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The printing aspect of it

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Now

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I mean

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We go to Kinko's

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There's nothing complex

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Or magical about that

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We go to Kinko's

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Just like

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You know

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The 14 year old kid

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Who has to go make

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Copies for his class

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For you know

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Photocopies

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We go to the same place

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They provide other services

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But they really don't do printing

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They outsource it to

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Other printers

21:06.620 --> 21:09.080
We cannot directly

21:09.080 --> 21:10.180
Go to printers

21:10.180 --> 21:10.700
Or at least

21:10.700 --> 21:11.520
I've tried

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I went

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I drove around to

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Probably a dozen

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Different printing companies

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In the phone book

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And I'll bet they told you

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That they won't even talk to you

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Unless you're going to print

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At least a thousand of them

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Exactly

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One of them would do it for $500

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But he wanted to set up

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What do they call it

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To make the plates

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Plates

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Yeah

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To make the plates

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When you get something printed

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That's where

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I think 75% of your costs come from

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Yeah

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I mean

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And it was just

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Plates

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There's no way around saying this

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I couldn't afford it

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No

21:37.620 --> 21:38.860
I couldn't afford to do it

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So

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We do go to Kinko's

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With the PDF file

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With the final proofs

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Of the magazine

21:43.680 --> 21:45.020
And have it printed out

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And stapled

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Folded

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Another thing that I didn't realize

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Was

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You know

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I was imagining

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Okay

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I'm going to try to

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Cut the cost as much as I can

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And do as much myself

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As I can

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Well

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When you staple

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All those pages together

21:59.180 --> 21:59.720
A

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It's not as easy to staple them

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And keep them straight

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And in line

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And I went through folding

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The first batch

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I folded by hand

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And oh my god

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I'll never do that again

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Unless I have to

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That was a pain in the butt

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And then you have to trim it

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Because

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When you fold all that paper

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It sticks out in the middle

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And it doesn't look nice

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And trimmed and cut

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So

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That's another service

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That Kinko's provides

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And all that

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All that adds up

22:24.060 --> 22:24.520
Because

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If you

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I think we figured out

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It's averaging

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So maybe

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Is it 285

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Or 385

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It was three

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Dual I think was

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385

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For printing

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Plus

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Plus that was not counting

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And he can correct me

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Maybe next time

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I'll get exact numbers

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That was not including

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Like the trimming

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The stapling

22:44.580 --> 22:45.080
The

22:45.080 --> 22:46.760
The

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Folding

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Etc

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Etc

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So

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All in all

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I know one batch

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He printed like

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I think

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5 or 10

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On a small batch

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And it ended up costing them

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Over 5 bucks a piece

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Yeah

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Which

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And we're only charging

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5 dollars an issue

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Right

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And basically for me

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It's costing about

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475

23:03.460 --> 23:04.920
485 an issue

23:04.920 --> 23:05.100
So

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You know

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That little bit of money

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We

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You know

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It's

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It's not like

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We're making anything

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On the whole

23:10.480 --> 23:10.800
And then

23:10.800 --> 23:11.040
You know

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We really want people

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To understand

23:12.180 --> 23:12.800
That we're not

23:12.800 --> 23:13.240
You know

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5 dollars might seem

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Like a lot

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Compared to some other

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Publications

23:16.900 --> 23:17.980
But it's really not

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I mean

23:18.200 --> 23:18.720
When you consider

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What we're

23:19.740 --> 23:20.680
What we're working with

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And what we put into it

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Right

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And don't be misled

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I'm not

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In any way

23:24.480 --> 23:24.840
Shared before

23:24.840 --> 23:25.360
I'm complaining

23:25.360 --> 23:26.340
That we're not making money

23:26.340 --> 23:27.060
I don't care

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If we make money

23:28.140 --> 23:29.120
I just want people

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To understand

23:29.760 --> 23:31.260
Exactly where the balance is

23:31.260 --> 23:31.580
So

23:31.580 --> 23:32.360
You know

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And that's the kind of

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Point I was getting to

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Is that

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You know

23:34.600 --> 23:35.820
What we're charging

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And what we're

23:36.440 --> 23:38.000
Our production costs are

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If you want to call it those

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They're pretty much the same

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Yeah

23:41.740 --> 23:42.180
Now

23:42.180 --> 23:43.320
We will

23:43.320 --> 23:44.520
We would like to

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I should say

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Hopefully one day

23:46.500 --> 23:48.800
If we get enough interest

23:48.800 --> 23:50.240
Let me

23:50.240 --> 23:50.960
Let me back up

23:50.960 --> 23:53.180
The way to get this out

23:53.180 --> 23:53.740
People say

23:53.740 --> 23:53.980
You know

23:53.980 --> 23:55.100
If you want to make it big

23:55.100 --> 23:55.980
Somebody mentioned that

23:55.980 --> 23:56.780
If you want to really

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You know

23:57.260 --> 23:58.080
Get out there

23:58.080 --> 23:59.000
And become something

23:59.000 --> 23:59.900
Or make the magazine

23:59.900 --> 24:00.660
If you

24:00.660 --> 24:01.660
To do that

24:01.660 --> 24:02.480
You have to

24:02.480 --> 24:03.440
Have your magazine

24:03.440 --> 24:04.520
Carried by a distributor

24:04.520 --> 24:05.880
And I've contacted

24:05.880 --> 24:06.900
Distributors as well

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Basically

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They don't even want you

24:09.040 --> 24:09.960
To waste their time

24:09.960 --> 24:10.780
Or talk to them

24:10.780 --> 24:11.980
Unless you can show

24:11.980 --> 24:13.140
That

24:13.140 --> 24:14.660
There is enough interest

24:14.660 --> 24:15.240
In the magazine

24:15.240 --> 24:16.440
To make it worth their while

24:16.440 --> 24:18.060
They're in the business

24:18.060 --> 24:18.800
Of making money

24:18.800 --> 24:20.180
And if they are going

24:20.180 --> 24:21.520
To distribute your magazine

24:21.520 --> 24:23.340
And put it on store shelves

24:23.340 --> 24:24.400
They want their cut

24:24.400 --> 24:25.600
And if you don't prove to them

24:25.600 --> 24:26.360
That the people are going to

24:26.360 --> 24:27.580
Buy it off the store shelves

24:27.580 --> 24:29.040
They don't have any interest

24:29.040 --> 24:31.040
So that's why we have to start

24:31.040 --> 24:31.720
With the nature

24:31.720 --> 24:32.420
Of what we're at now

24:32.420 --> 24:33.200
I know a lot of people

24:33.200 --> 24:35.080
Don't want or like to use

24:35.080 --> 24:36.040
PayPal right now

24:36.040 --> 24:36.820
Well that's the only

24:36.820 --> 24:38.660
Economically feasible alternative

24:38.660 --> 24:40.080
When we get it established

24:40.080 --> 24:41.480
And show that there is a market

24:41.480 --> 24:42.440
And there is an interest

24:42.440 --> 24:43.460
For this type of thing

24:43.460 --> 24:44.920
Then we will move on

24:44.920 --> 24:45.580
To the next step

24:45.580 --> 24:47.300
I would love to let people

24:47.300 --> 24:48.480
Send me money

24:48.480 --> 24:49.860
And have subscriptions for it

24:49.860 --> 24:50.340
Where I could just

24:50.340 --> 24:51.180
Automate the whole thing

24:51.180 --> 24:52.040
But that's just not

24:52.040 --> 24:53.540
Economically feasible right now

24:53.540 --> 24:54.580
Because it just costs

24:54.580 --> 24:55.620
Too much money

24:55.620 --> 24:57.100
On our end

24:57.100 --> 24:58.280
To try to set all that stuff up

24:58.280 --> 24:58.980
Time wise too

24:58.980 --> 24:59.860
Because none of us

24:59.860 --> 25:00.900
Are doing this full time

25:00.900 --> 25:02.120
Yeah and that's the other thing

25:02.120 --> 25:03.460
Is all that we mentioned before

25:03.460 --> 25:04.740
The cost of this

25:04.740 --> 25:05.880
Has nothing to do

25:05.880 --> 25:07.340
With the time that it takes

25:07.340 --> 25:07.900
You know we have

25:07.900 --> 25:08.700
Real life gigs

25:08.700 --> 25:10.080
On top of all this

25:10.080 --> 25:12.500
So yeah it's

25:12.500 --> 25:13.860
There's really a lot more

25:13.860 --> 25:14.600
To it than I think

25:14.600 --> 25:15.520
People realize

25:15.520 --> 25:16.100
And that's why

25:16.100 --> 25:16.520
It's

25:16.520 --> 25:17.720
I'm glad to have you on

25:17.720 --> 25:18.380
So we can talk about

25:18.380 --> 25:18.900
This together

25:18.900 --> 25:20.340
Now eventually

25:20.340 --> 25:21.720
If we can get

25:21.720 --> 25:22.880
A distributor interested

25:22.880 --> 25:24.680
And get this thing

25:24.680 --> 25:25.560
Out to stores

25:25.560 --> 25:26.420
And stuff like that

25:26.420 --> 25:27.740
Distributors usually

25:27.740 --> 25:28.760
Have contacts

25:28.760 --> 25:29.640
With printing houses

25:29.640 --> 25:30.480
And stuff like that

25:30.480 --> 25:31.480
And they will take

25:31.480 --> 25:32.100
Some of that burden

25:32.100 --> 25:32.900
Away from us

25:32.900 --> 25:34.000
And it will be

25:34.000 --> 25:35.080
Kind of a situation

25:35.080 --> 25:36.100
Where we say

25:36.100 --> 25:37.240
Okay here are the final

25:37.240 --> 25:37.880
PDFs

25:37.880 --> 25:38.820
Here's the final output

25:38.820 --> 25:40.380
Here is the magazine

25:40.380 --> 25:41.380
In electronic form

25:41.380 --> 25:42.760
Go print it

25:42.760 --> 25:43.820
And they basically

25:43.820 --> 25:44.740
Act as an agent

25:44.740 --> 25:45.400
Or negotiate

25:45.400 --> 25:46.340
They have it printed

25:46.340 --> 25:46.940
They'll tell us

25:46.940 --> 25:47.640
How much it is

25:47.640 --> 25:48.860
They'll take their cut

25:48.860 --> 25:49.380
Their percentage

25:49.380 --> 25:50.140
Off the top

25:50.140 --> 25:51.500
And you know

25:51.500 --> 25:52.940
If there's anything left

25:52.940 --> 25:53.620
Which again

25:53.620 --> 25:54.420
Is going to be very little

25:54.420 --> 25:55.560
Would come back to us

25:55.560 --> 25:56.400
Which we would in turn

25:56.400 --> 25:57.560
Reinvest into

25:57.560 --> 25:59.120
Upgrading the magazine

25:59.120 --> 26:00.080
Buying new

26:00.080 --> 26:01.920
Software equipment

26:01.920 --> 26:02.700
Stuff like that

26:02.700 --> 26:03.480
Hosting fees

26:03.480 --> 26:04.240
Things like that

26:04.240 --> 26:05.760
So that is the ultimate goal

26:05.760 --> 26:06.960
But we have to get there

26:06.960 --> 26:07.760
And it's going to take

26:07.760 --> 26:08.700
You know

26:08.700 --> 26:09.880
Spreading the word

26:09.880 --> 26:10.700
You have to walk

26:10.700 --> 26:11.560
Before you can run

26:11.560 --> 26:12.020
Absolutely

26:12.020 --> 26:12.780
You get the word

26:12.780 --> 26:13.560
Out there to people

26:13.560 --> 26:14.480
You get people

26:14.480 --> 26:15.340
Coming to the site

26:15.340 --> 26:16.340
Ordering the magazine

26:16.340 --> 26:17.440
If they like it of course

26:17.440 --> 26:17.760
You know

26:17.760 --> 26:18.480
People come in

26:18.480 --> 26:19.280
And try one

26:19.280 --> 26:20.500
See if you like it

26:20.500 --> 26:21.980
And as we grow

26:21.980 --> 26:22.900
Hopefully we will

26:22.900 --> 26:24.200
Move in that direction

26:24.200 --> 26:25.520
That is our intent

26:25.520 --> 26:26.840
But yes

26:26.840 --> 26:28.140
We have to crawl

26:28.140 --> 26:28.920
Then walk

26:28.920 --> 26:29.500
Then fly

26:29.500 --> 26:30.060
And you know

26:30.060 --> 26:30.980
Right now we're crawling

26:30.980 --> 26:32.820
We're doing a good crawl

26:32.820 --> 26:33.400
I think

26:33.400 --> 26:34.780
I like it

26:34.780 --> 26:36.040
The feedback has been good

26:36.040 --> 26:37.820
The majority of people

26:37.820 --> 26:39.120
Who have actually tried it

26:39.120 --> 26:39.860
Have liked it

26:39.860 --> 26:40.900
The problem is

26:40.900 --> 26:41.560
Getting more people

26:41.560 --> 26:42.100
To try it

26:42.100 --> 26:43.020
So you know

26:43.020 --> 26:43.780
I guess that's really

26:43.780 --> 26:44.860
The case with anything

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In the world

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Any business

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Any

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Getting any kind of

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Even the

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Electronic zines

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Even e-zines

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You got to get the word out

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And get people to come by

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And try them

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Exactly

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So

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Let's go also talk about

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Now well first of all

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I don't think we said this

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Officially

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But just for the record

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Adobe Illustrator

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Adobe Photoshop

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And

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Adobe InDesign

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InDesign

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Those are

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All on

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The Macintosh

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Gotcha

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I mean

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You do everything

27:18.340 --> 27:19.000
On the Mac

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But I've been a Mac user

27:21.340 --> 27:22.140
For 20 years

27:22.140 --> 27:22.820
And bin rev

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Is 100% produced

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On a Macintosh

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Woohoo

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Now five years ago

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We would have been

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Laughed out of the room

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For saying that

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But Mac

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Kicks ass now

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I love Mac

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You know

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I tell you what

27:37.760 --> 27:38.740
Why don't we

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Let's jump into the Mac

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For a little bit

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In general

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Can you tell me this

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Is this

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Because I'm developing

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This opinion

27:46.800 --> 27:47.600
On the Macintosh

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And I'm not sure

27:48.320 --> 27:49.060
Being that I have

27:49.060 --> 27:49.640
Very limited

27:49.640 --> 27:51.220
Knowledge of the Mac

27:51.220 --> 27:52.400
And you use it a lot

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Is the Mac

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The one computer

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To rule them all

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Is it

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The end all

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Because

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Correct me if I'm wrong here

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With the Macintosh

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Obviously you can run

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Mac software

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Yes

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You have virtual PC

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Where you can also run

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Windows software

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Is that correct

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You can run Windows

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Under virtual PC

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You can run

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Any version of Windows

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You can run them

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Simultaneously

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You can run

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Basically any

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X86 Linux distro

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Side by side

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Simultaneously

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With Windows

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And everything else

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Plus you can run

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Basically any

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Unix Linux app

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Under what they call

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The X11 Windows system

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You can run

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Pretty much anything

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Can you download

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Source code

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You can download

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Source code

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And compile it for

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You know

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Linux source code

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And compile it for

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The Mac

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Yes

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Yes

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There's a developer

28:45.240 --> 28:46.220
Apple has

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What they call

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The Apple Developers

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Toolkit

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And it's

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Actually a free download

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I think you have to

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Go to their website

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It's a free download

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It's huge though

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But if you buy

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A copy of Mac OS X

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From the store

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It comes with it

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On a CD

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And there's a compiler

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In there

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There's a whole bunch

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Of other stuff

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And you just install it

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And it's basically

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What you need to do that

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Well

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See there's

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There's a term

29:11.360 --> 29:12.260
That people throw around

29:12.260 --> 29:13.280
In the computer industry

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Called the killer app

29:15.220 --> 29:16.620
Everybody wants to know

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What's the next killer app

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The last killer app

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Was supposedly

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Spreadsheets

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I would actually

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Debate that it's games

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A killer app

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Is something

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That's going to

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Make people

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Want to buy

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Computers

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Want to buy hardware

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To run

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That application

29:31.460 --> 29:32.680
When spreadsheets

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Came out

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They were so

29:33.760 --> 29:34.820
Incredibly useful

29:34.820 --> 29:36.900
To financial organizations

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That everybody

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Had to have

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A computer

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So that they

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Could run

29:40.180 --> 29:41.040
Spreadsheet software

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Because it made

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Their life

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So much easier

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Right

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I say

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The same thing

29:44.800 --> 29:45.500
About games

29:45.500 --> 29:46.400
Games

29:46.400 --> 29:47.020
And get

29:47.020 --> 29:48.120
Customized machines

29:48.120 --> 29:48.700
For gaming

29:48.700 --> 29:49.400
Have been

29:49.400 --> 29:49.780
The biggest

29:49.780 --> 29:50.380
Selling thing

29:50.380 --> 29:50.820
That's kept

29:50.820 --> 29:51.660
The computer industry

29:51.660 --> 29:52.080
Afloat

29:52.080 --> 29:52.600
In my opinion

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The last few years

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It looks to me

29:55.700 --> 29:56.980
And maybe I'm wrong

29:56.980 --> 29:57.700
But it looks to me

29:57.700 --> 29:59.360
Like Mac OS X

29:59.360 --> 30:01.580
Is the killer app

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It's one computer

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That can run

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Any and all

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Almost any

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I'm sure there's exceptions

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Any and all software

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On one machine

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Why would you need

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Those other boxes

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Yeah it's

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It's really kind of

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Unique when you

30:16.480 --> 30:17.040
Think about it

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I mean so many

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People are looking

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For an alternative

30:18.740 --> 30:19.340
To Microsoft

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And there's one

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Staring them right

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In the face

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I mean OS X

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It's open source

30:23.920 --> 30:24.760
To a certain degree

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Which is great

30:25.820 --> 30:26.200
I mean it's not

30:26.200 --> 30:27.260
100% open source

30:27.260 --> 30:29.160
But it's customizable

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Enough that you can

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Basically run

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Anything you want

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I mean I've got

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My little iBook

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Sitting here in front of me

30:34.940 --> 30:35.960
I've got OS 9

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The old Mac OS

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On there

30:37.360 --> 30:38.220
I've got OS X

30:38.220 --> 30:39.780
I've got virtual PC

30:39.780 --> 30:40.380
I've got

30:40.380 --> 30:41.920
Within that

30:41.920 --> 30:42.320
I've got

30:42.320 --> 30:43.520
I've got Red Hat Linux

30:43.520 --> 30:44.480
I've got two different

30:44.480 --> 30:46.480
Windows setups on that

30:46.480 --> 30:48.100
And I've got

30:48.100 --> 30:49.440
The X11 installed

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Which I can

30:49.980 --> 30:51.220
I've got KDE running

30:51.220 --> 30:52.380
Actually right now

30:52.380 --> 30:53.800
KDE on a Mac

30:53.800 --> 30:54.740
Which is very cool

30:54.740 --> 30:56.060
I can access

30:56.060 --> 30:57.060
It's basically just like

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Having a Linux box

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You've got all

30:59.220 --> 31:00.760
The Linux

31:00.760 --> 31:01.520
Unix apps

31:01.520 --> 31:02.060
You know

31:02.060 --> 31:02.740
With a GUI

31:02.740 --> 31:03.480
On top of them

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Plus

31:04.440 --> 31:05.440
I've actually got

31:05.440 --> 31:05.980
Linux running

31:05.980 --> 31:06.580
On this thing

31:06.580 --> 31:07.700
I've got

31:07.700 --> 31:08.340
It's called

31:08.340 --> 31:09.040
Yellow Dog Linux

31:09.040 --> 31:09.900
Which is basically

31:09.900 --> 31:12.240
A version of Red Hat

31:12.240 --> 31:13.300
That's ported to the Mac

31:13.300 --> 31:14.840
And all I have to do

31:14.840 --> 31:15.480
Is reboot

31:15.480 --> 31:16.540
And I just hold down

31:16.540 --> 31:17.220
The option key

31:17.220 --> 31:17.880
And I can select

31:17.880 --> 31:18.860
Which partition

31:18.860 --> 31:19.740
I want to start up from

31:19.740 --> 31:20.320
I can just select

31:20.320 --> 31:21.060
A Linux partition

31:21.060 --> 31:21.860
And bam

31:21.860 --> 31:22.480
I'm in Linux

31:22.480 --> 31:24.280
So there's

31:24.280 --> 31:26.000
In the scientific community

31:26.000 --> 31:26.620
It's really

31:26.620 --> 31:27.920
Really becoming

31:27.920 --> 31:28.480
Very cool

31:28.480 --> 31:29.220
To see these people

31:29.220 --> 31:29.800
That are ditching

31:29.800 --> 31:30.920
Their Windows machines

31:30.920 --> 31:31.500
They're going out

31:31.500 --> 31:31.900
And buying

31:31.900 --> 31:32.840
A G4

31:32.840 --> 31:33.680
And run OS X

31:33.680 --> 31:34.460
And they can run

31:34.460 --> 31:35.540
They can run

31:35.540 --> 31:36.620
Their computations

31:36.620 --> 31:38.400
Do anything

31:38.400 --> 31:38.860
That they need

31:38.860 --> 31:39.340
To do in the

31:39.340 --> 31:39.840
Windows machine

31:39.840 --> 31:40.480
But they can also

31:40.480 --> 31:41.060
Use all these

31:41.060 --> 31:41.700
Really great

31:41.700 --> 31:42.560
I guess

31:42.560 --> 31:43.220
There's a lot

31:43.220 --> 31:44.220
Of scientific programs

31:44.220 --> 31:45.680
Out for Unix

31:45.680 --> 31:46.100
And it had been

31:46.100 --> 31:46.920
For many years

31:46.920 --> 31:49.600
With a Mac

31:49.600 --> 31:50.300
I'm running OS X

31:50.300 --> 31:50.940
You can have

31:50.940 --> 31:53.120
The Unix applications

31:53.120 --> 31:53.460
Running

31:53.460 --> 31:54.000
And if there's

31:54.000 --> 31:54.780
Something that you need

31:54.780 --> 31:55.700
That's specifically

31:55.700 --> 31:56.100
Windows

31:56.100 --> 31:56.700
You can run that

31:56.700 --> 31:57.480
Virtual PC

31:57.480 --> 31:59.120
And so you see

31:59.120 --> 31:59.620
These entire

31:59.620 --> 32:00.420
Science departments

32:00.420 --> 32:00.960
That are ditching

32:00.960 --> 32:01.660
Their PCs

32:01.660 --> 32:03.860
And buying Macs

32:03.860 --> 32:04.600
Where they

32:04.600 --> 32:05.300
Might have had

32:05.300 --> 32:07.220
A Windows workstation

32:07.220 --> 32:08.180
A Unix workstation

32:08.180 --> 32:09.700
They're basically

32:09.700 --> 32:10.520
Getting one machine

32:10.520 --> 32:11.200
In one package

32:11.200 --> 32:11.600
Alright well

32:11.600 --> 32:12.360
Consolidating

32:12.360 --> 32:13.160
Down to one machine

32:13.160 --> 32:14.060
And they love it

32:14.060 --> 32:14.900
They love it

32:14.900 --> 32:15.500
Now well

32:15.500 --> 32:16.200
Okay now

32:16.200 --> 32:17.640
Obviously

32:17.640 --> 32:19.220
You're partial

32:19.220 --> 32:19.660
To the Mac

32:19.660 --> 32:20.100
You have a lot

32:20.100 --> 32:20.460
Of experience

32:20.460 --> 32:20.880
With the Mac

32:20.880 --> 32:21.640
But let's

32:21.640 --> 32:22.380
You know

32:22.380 --> 32:23.280
We're not completely

32:23.280 --> 32:23.980
Brainwashed

32:23.980 --> 32:24.840
To only follow

32:24.840 --> 32:25.840
Let's be realistic

32:25.840 --> 32:26.100
Now

32:26.100 --> 32:26.960
Honestly

32:26.960 --> 32:28.160
Running

32:28.160 --> 32:29.660
Virtual PC

32:29.660 --> 32:30.880
You're going to

32:30.880 --> 32:31.860
Take a performance hit

32:31.860 --> 32:32.240
That's

32:32.240 --> 32:33.660
A big performance hit

32:33.660 --> 32:34.180
Now how

32:34.180 --> 32:35.160
How big

32:35.160 --> 32:36.320
For example

32:36.320 --> 32:37.840
I'm assuming

32:37.840 --> 32:38.720
That you probably

32:38.720 --> 32:39.480
Couldn't

32:39.480 --> 32:41.620
Play some games

32:41.620 --> 32:43.100
Using virtual PC

32:43.100 --> 32:43.520
On a Mac

32:43.520 --> 32:44.520
See that's the thing

32:44.520 --> 32:45.280
You really wouldn't

32:45.280 --> 32:46.300
Want to use

32:46.300 --> 32:46.880
Virtual PC

32:46.880 --> 32:47.840
To play games with

32:47.840 --> 32:48.260
Right

32:48.260 --> 32:49.960
If games are your thing

32:49.960 --> 32:50.720
And that's what you want

32:50.720 --> 32:51.320
You're better off

32:51.320 --> 32:52.420
Buying a gaming machine

32:52.420 --> 32:53.200
Dedicated

32:53.200 --> 32:53.840
Right

32:53.840 --> 32:54.860
Where virtual PC

32:54.860 --> 32:56.420
Is really what

32:56.420 --> 32:57.160
It's designed for

32:57.160 --> 32:57.860
Is if you have

32:57.860 --> 32:59.340
A specific program

32:59.340 --> 33:00.240
Say business

33:00.240 --> 33:01.260
Taxes

33:01.260 --> 33:02.380
Let's use tax software

33:02.380 --> 33:03.380
For a big example

33:03.380 --> 33:04.160
Okay right

33:04.160 --> 33:04.460
Sure

33:04.460 --> 33:06.280
For whatever reason

33:06.280 --> 33:07.620
Nobody makes

33:07.620 --> 33:08.940
A home business version

33:08.940 --> 33:10.020
Of tax software

33:10.020 --> 33:11.280
They used to

33:11.280 --> 33:11.880
I think it was

33:11.880 --> 33:12.940
Intuit used to make

33:12.940 --> 33:13.700
Was it

33:13.700 --> 33:16.080
Whatever their tax program was

33:16.080 --> 33:17.220
But right now

33:17.220 --> 33:17.960
The only ones

33:17.960 --> 33:18.480
That are making

33:18.480 --> 33:20.160
Intuit makes TurboTax

33:20.160 --> 33:20.820
TurboTax

33:20.820 --> 33:21.280
That's the one

33:21.280 --> 33:21.840
I'm thinking of

33:21.840 --> 33:22.940
They don't make

33:22.940 --> 33:24.080
A home business version

33:24.080 --> 33:24.380
For that

33:24.380 --> 33:24.760
They only make

33:24.760 --> 33:26.000
A personal version

33:26.000 --> 33:27.260
So when I did

33:27.260 --> 33:28.320
My taxes last year

33:28.320 --> 33:29.180
I had to

33:29.180 --> 33:30.660
Go

33:30.660 --> 33:31.180
I want to actually

33:31.180 --> 33:32.020
Use H&R Block

33:32.020 --> 33:32.420
I'll just

33:32.420 --> 33:33.760
Use it as an example

33:33.760 --> 33:35.580
I went to their website

33:35.580 --> 33:37.100
Downloaded the Windows version

33:37.100 --> 33:38.440
Of the program I needed

33:38.440 --> 33:39.840
Installed it

33:39.840 --> 33:41.440
In the virtual PC environment

33:41.440 --> 33:42.800
And I did my taxes that way

33:42.800 --> 33:44.820
That's what virtual PC is for

33:44.820 --> 33:45.740
It's not really for gaming

33:45.740 --> 33:47.240
But if you have a program

33:47.240 --> 33:47.980
That you absolutely

33:47.980 --> 33:48.800
Have to have

33:48.800 --> 33:50.820
That is only available

33:50.820 --> 33:51.320
For Windows

33:51.320 --> 33:53.980
That's what it's designed for

33:53.980 --> 33:54.860
Right

33:54.860 --> 33:55.740
I also use it

33:55.740 --> 33:57.040
For website testing

33:57.040 --> 33:58.420
Because I do a lot

33:58.420 --> 33:59.140
Of website design

33:59.140 --> 33:59.660
That's basically

33:59.660 --> 34:00.400
My bread and butter

34:00.400 --> 34:03.320
I could design a site

34:03.320 --> 34:04.120
On my Macintosh

34:04.120 --> 34:05.340
And everything looks great

34:05.340 --> 34:06.800
The javascripts work great

34:06.800 --> 34:08.880
The style sheets work great

34:08.880 --> 34:10.980
But if I were to try

34:10.980 --> 34:12.480
And say IE6

34:12.480 --> 34:13.680
In Windows 98

34:13.680 --> 34:15.000
It could be rendered

34:15.000 --> 34:15.800
Completely different

34:15.800 --> 34:16.760
But I would never know

34:16.760 --> 34:17.160
About it

34:17.160 --> 34:18.280
Unless I go and test it

34:18.280 --> 34:19.540
I'm not going to go

34:19.540 --> 34:20.540
Buy another computer

34:20.540 --> 34:22.200
Just to test websites with

34:22.200 --> 34:24.200
So I have virtual PC

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And a couple different machines

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Loaded with different

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Operating

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Different versions of Windows

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And different web browsers

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And I test all the sites

34:30.740 --> 34:31.740
And I can see how

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It's going to look

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To a Windows user

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Without actually having

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To have a Windows machine

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Okay

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Let me

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How about this

34:38.620 --> 34:39.140
Let's say

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Let's say you've convinced me

34:41.260 --> 34:43.220
And you have honestly

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Well

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I kind of was leaning

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This way anyway

34:45.420 --> 34:46.700
Of looking into buying

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An iBook

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We're buying

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What would be the cheapest

34:50.520 --> 34:51.320
Now this is the only

34:51.320 --> 34:52.260
Knock I have against

34:52.260 --> 34:53.420
Against Apple

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No one can make a Mac

34:54.960 --> 34:55.640
But Apple

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You know

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They've never

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There are no clones

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There are no

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Other companies

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That can make

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And compete on price

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You have to buy it

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From them

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Which kind of sucks

35:05.020 --> 35:05.440
A little bit

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Well I don't really

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See that as a down point

35:07.260 --> 35:08.620
Because for me

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I want to know

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That everything is

35:10.260 --> 35:10.860
Going to work

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When I use

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I want to know

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That when I install

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Something

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It's going to work

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With a computer

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I don't have to worry

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About finding

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Going to three different

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Websites to download

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Drivers

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Or oh god

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I need this patch

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It just works

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Yeah I mean

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And that is because

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I know what you're saying

35:25.020 --> 35:25.860
Yeah that is because

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It's an absolutely

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Controlled environment

35:27.660 --> 35:29.020
But the reality is

35:29.020 --> 35:30.120
If IBM had taken

35:30.120 --> 35:31.000
That same mindset

35:31.000 --> 35:33.000
And only developed

35:33.000 --> 35:34.680
The PC themselves

35:34.680 --> 35:35.520
And no one ever

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Could make a PC

35:36.280 --> 35:37.080
Other than IBM

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Would you think

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You'd really be able

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To buy a $400

35:39.920 --> 35:41.820
E-machine today

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That's fully functional

35:43.040 --> 35:44.340
2 gigahertz box

35:44.340 --> 35:45.520
With everything included

35:45.520 --> 35:46.600
For $400

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I mean it really

35:47.760 --> 35:48.720
The competition

35:48.720 --> 35:49.840
For the hardware

35:49.840 --> 35:52.160
Helps the consumers

35:52.160 --> 35:52.860
But yes

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There is a cost

35:54.100 --> 35:54.880
And that is stability

35:54.880 --> 35:57.060
That's absolutely true

35:57.060 --> 35:58.600
My question is this

35:58.600 --> 36:00.320
How cheaply could I

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Or anybody listening

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Let's say we wanted

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To do what I

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Just suggested

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Let's have a one

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One OS to rule them all

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One box

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And run virtual PC

36:10.780 --> 36:12.060
And have it all centralized

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How cheaply could I get

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A laptop

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Say minimum requirements

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Or you know

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Recommended requirements

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To run OS X

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And do the things

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We talk about

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Now obviously

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The faster higher end

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You get it's going to be

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Faster and more efficient

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But what would be

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Like the minimum

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How would

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How would I get

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On board to try that

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How much am I going to

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$1,000

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$1,000

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A thousand bucks

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I think it's a

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12 inch iBooks

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I think the 12 inch iBooks

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Are just $9.99

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I think is what they sell for

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And that's brand new

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That's brand new

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What about like on eBay

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Or something like that

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Used

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Oh but you probably

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Find them a little bit less

36:46.900 --> 36:47.560
But honestly

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Macs hold their resale value

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That's what a lot of people

36:50.960 --> 36:51.560
Don't realize

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You can buy a three year old

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Machine

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That's less than

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That's a little bit more

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Than half the cost

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Of a brand new one

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They don't lose their value

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The way a PC does

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I mean you can buy

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Get really good prices

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On used Macs

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But if you look at

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What you're paying

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For a used one

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It's not that far off

37:10.840 --> 37:11.860
From buying a new one

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Interesting

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So and that would

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Of course come with

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The license for OSX

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That is included

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In the cost

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Correct

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Right

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Right

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And the way OSX works

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Is that there really

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Isn't a licensing

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Per se

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I mean you buy it

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And you can use it

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But they don't

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Control it the way

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Microsoft does

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There's no serial number

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You have to enter

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If you reinstall it

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Hmm

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If your drive gets hosed

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And you lose everything

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I don't know

37:41.460 --> 37:42.380
I know that there's

37:42.380 --> 37:42.780
Some problems

37:42.780 --> 37:43.800
With Windows XP

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In particular

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There's a key code

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Or something

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That if you lose that

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You have to call

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Microsoft to get it

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Yeah

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They don't

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You don't have any of that

37:51.240 --> 37:52.420
The only time you have

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Or really anything

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To enter a password

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Is if you're using

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Mac OS X server

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But the basic

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Desktop client version

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Of OS X

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If you

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Honestly

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If you went

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Went and bought

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Spent $129

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Is what it costs

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You can install

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As many machines

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As you want

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There's nothing

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Stopping you

38:09.440 --> 38:10.060
From doing that

38:10.060 --> 38:11.220
The licensing agreement

38:11.220 --> 38:11.800
Says you can only

38:11.800 --> 38:12.680
Install it on one machine

38:12.680 --> 38:14.260
But there's nothing

38:14.260 --> 38:14.700
Physical

38:14.700 --> 38:15.460
There's no coding

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There's no password

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To prevent you

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From installing it

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On ten machines

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In your house

38:19.940 --> 38:20.660
Right

38:20.660 --> 38:21.220
But again

38:21.220 --> 38:21.960
It basically

38:21.960 --> 38:22.880
Comes with it

38:22.880 --> 38:23.680
When you buy it

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You're basically

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Paying for the whole package

38:25.400 --> 38:26.860
To have the license anyway

38:26.860 --> 38:27.520
Right

38:27.520 --> 38:28.320
So whether or not

38:28.320 --> 38:29.260
They track which

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You know

38:29.840 --> 38:31.060
Whether you use the same disk

38:31.060 --> 38:32.240
On two systems or not

38:32.240 --> 38:33.220
You already paid for it

38:33.220 --> 38:34.500
For two systems regardless

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Paid for it

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So it's kind of

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It's kind of silly

38:36.780 --> 38:37.140
Right

38:37.140 --> 38:38.240
And the thing is

38:38.240 --> 38:39.080
A lot of the software

38:39.080 --> 38:39.880
That you're going to want to use

38:39.880 --> 38:40.300
Is already

38:40.300 --> 38:41.060
It's part of

38:41.060 --> 38:43.080
When you buy the computer

38:43.080 --> 38:43.420
I mean

38:43.420 --> 38:43.960
You buy

38:43.960 --> 38:45.140
The computer

38:45.140 --> 38:45.960
You can open it up

38:45.960 --> 38:46.340
And literally

38:46.340 --> 38:47.200
You can get online

38:47.200 --> 38:48.620
You can make a movie

38:48.620 --> 38:49.400
Burn DVDs

38:49.400 --> 38:50.180
Right out of the box

38:50.180 --> 38:50.940
You don't have to buy

38:50.940 --> 38:51.940
Or add anything extra

38:51.940 --> 38:53.520
It's pretty cool

38:53.520 --> 38:55.140
What about virtual PC?

38:55.740 --> 38:56.340
Virtual PC

38:56.340 --> 38:56.940
You have to

38:56.940 --> 38:58.000
That doesn't come

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Included with it

38:58.740 --> 38:58.980
I mean

38:58.980 --> 39:00.380
That's an actual

39:00.380 --> 39:01.160
Separate program

39:01.160 --> 39:01.760
You have to go out

39:01.760 --> 39:02.520
And buy separately

39:02.520 --> 39:03.100
Right

39:03.100 --> 39:04.900
Now this is very interesting

39:04.900 --> 39:05.940
This is something

39:05.940 --> 39:07.580
That people don't realize

39:07.580 --> 39:08.020
There was a

39:08.020 --> 39:10.280
Company called Connectix

39:10.280 --> 39:11.980
They are the ones

39:11.980 --> 39:13.120
That created virtual PC

39:13.120 --> 39:14.380
And sold it for years

39:14.380 --> 39:15.080
And years and years

39:15.080 --> 39:16.800
Back in February

39:16.800 --> 39:18.480
Microsoft bought

39:18.480 --> 39:19.980
Virtual PC from them

39:19.980 --> 39:22.020
Microsoft now

39:22.020 --> 39:23.460
Actually owns the technology

39:23.460 --> 39:24.500
For virtual PC

39:24.500 --> 39:25.020
And they have

39:25.020 --> 39:26.160
Complete control over it

39:26.160 --> 39:26.900
How convenient

39:26.900 --> 39:27.880
I'm smelling

39:27.880 --> 39:28.980
Abandonware here

39:28.980 --> 39:31.360
If you want virtual PC

39:31.360 --> 39:32.000
I would get it

39:32.000 --> 39:32.920
As soon as you can

39:32.920 --> 39:34.360
Because there

39:34.360 --> 39:35.480
I don't

39:35.480 --> 39:36.780
Personally

39:36.780 --> 39:38.760
I don't see

39:38.760 --> 39:39.740
A big future for it

39:39.740 --> 39:40.880
If Microsoft has it

39:40.880 --> 39:43.160
Get them while they're hot

39:43.160 --> 39:44.480
Because I don't know

39:44.480 --> 39:45.280
There used to be

39:45.280 --> 39:46.420
The same company

39:46.420 --> 39:47.000
Connectix

39:47.000 --> 39:48.100
Made a program

39:48.100 --> 39:49.320
Called Virtual Playstation

39:49.320 --> 39:50.760
Which would let you

39:50.760 --> 39:51.500
Play virtual

39:51.500 --> 39:52.600
Playstation games

39:52.600 --> 39:53.160
On your Mac

39:53.160 --> 39:53.420
Yeah

39:53.420 --> 39:54.660
Then they got sued

39:54.660 --> 39:55.280
They got in trouble

39:55.280 --> 39:55.580
For that

39:55.580 --> 39:55.920
Oh and Sony

39:55.920 --> 39:57.000
Got a cease and desist

39:57.000 --> 39:57.440
For it

39:57.440 --> 39:58.200
They fought for

39:58.200 --> 39:59.380
About a year and a half

39:59.380 --> 39:59.860
Or so

39:59.860 --> 40:01.580
Connectix finally won

40:01.580 --> 40:02.220
And was able to

40:02.220 --> 40:03.300
Put it back on the market

40:03.300 --> 40:04.460
But by then

40:04.460 --> 40:05.700
PS2 and stuff

40:05.700 --> 40:06.560
The next generations

40:06.560 --> 40:07.260
Had come out

40:07.260 --> 40:08.900
I think it was just

40:08.900 --> 40:09.760
Before the PS2

40:09.760 --> 40:10.260
Actually

40:10.260 --> 40:12.100
But Sony

40:12.100 --> 40:13.220
Ended up buying

40:13.220 --> 40:14.040
The software

40:14.040 --> 40:14.960
From Connectix

40:14.960 --> 40:16.160
And then as soon

40:16.160 --> 40:16.780
As they bought it

40:16.780 --> 40:17.620
They shelved it

40:17.620 --> 40:18.120
You never heard

40:18.120 --> 40:18.740
From it again

40:18.740 --> 40:20.100
So if you can't

40:20.100 --> 40:20.380
Beat it

40:20.380 --> 40:20.940
You buy it

40:20.940 --> 40:21.260
And then you

40:21.260 --> 40:22.760
Bandon the product

40:22.760 --> 40:23.340
And even

40:23.340 --> 40:24.660
Which is exactly

40:24.660 --> 40:25.200
What you just said

40:25.200 --> 40:25.680
With Microsoft

40:25.680 --> 40:26.380
But even if they

40:26.380 --> 40:27.200
Hadn't done that

40:27.200 --> 40:28.040
Like you said

40:28.040 --> 40:29.520
Either the PS2

40:29.520 --> 40:30.340
Was getting ready

40:30.340 --> 40:30.860
To come out

40:30.860 --> 40:31.640
Or was just out

40:31.640 --> 40:33.920
By getting that

40:33.920 --> 40:35.680
Injunction against it

40:35.680 --> 40:36.220
And making them

40:36.220 --> 40:37.480
Stop for a year

40:37.480 --> 40:38.020
And a half

40:38.020 --> 40:39.400
The damage

40:39.400 --> 40:40.400
Of holding that up

40:40.400 --> 40:41.380
Yeah they eventually

40:41.380 --> 40:41.840
Won

40:41.840 --> 40:42.880
They were in the right

40:42.880 --> 40:43.660
They were found

40:43.660 --> 40:44.900
To be legally able

40:44.900 --> 40:46.020
To do what they did

40:46.020 --> 40:47.160
But it's a year

40:47.160 --> 40:47.780
And a half later

40:47.780 --> 40:48.520
And your entire

40:48.520 --> 40:49.380
Market is gone

40:49.380 --> 40:50.280
It could have

40:50.280 --> 40:51.200
Cost them millions

40:51.200 --> 40:51.800
Of dollars

40:51.800 --> 40:53.380
The damage of doing

40:53.380 --> 40:54.260
These kind of lawsuits

40:54.260 --> 40:54.940
And I think there

40:54.940 --> 40:55.720
Needs to be a punishment

40:55.720 --> 40:56.420
To companies

40:56.420 --> 40:57.580
That do that

40:57.580 --> 40:58.800
I think these things

40:58.800 --> 40:59.160
Need to have

40:59.160 --> 41:00.120
Better time limits

41:00.120 --> 41:00.660
You can't have

41:00.660 --> 41:01.260
An injunction

41:01.260 --> 41:02.520
Stopping the

41:02.520 --> 41:03.500
Distribution of this

41:03.500 --> 41:04.820
Product for a year

41:04.820 --> 41:05.260
And a half

41:05.260 --> 41:05.620
That's ridiculous

41:05.620 --> 41:05.880
Because that

41:05.880 --> 41:06.740
Intercues with the market

41:06.740 --> 41:08.720
And kind of

41:08.720 --> 41:09.760
Along the same lines

41:09.760 --> 41:10.680
Getting back to

41:10.680 --> 41:11.280
Virtual PC

41:11.280 --> 41:11.860
There was another

41:11.860 --> 41:12.300
Company

41:12.300 --> 41:14.260
It was FWB software

41:14.260 --> 41:15.600
They make hard drives

41:15.600 --> 41:17.520
And diagnostic software

41:17.520 --> 41:18.300
For hard drives

41:18.300 --> 41:19.600
They actually had

41:19.600 --> 41:20.500
A comparable product

41:20.500 --> 41:22.620
Called Soft PC

41:22.620 --> 41:23.700
I think it was called

41:23.700 --> 41:24.660
Basically another

41:24.660 --> 41:25.760
Windows type emulator

41:25.760 --> 41:27.960
And they were

41:27.960 --> 41:28.800
Supposedly developing

41:28.800 --> 41:29.940
A new OS X version

41:29.940 --> 41:30.300
Of it

41:30.300 --> 41:31.460
But they just

41:31.460 --> 41:32.280
Announced that

41:32.280 --> 41:33.280
It's not going to

41:33.280 --> 41:33.980
Happen basically

41:33.980 --> 41:34.660
Because of the

41:34.660 --> 41:35.440
Licensing issues

41:35.440 --> 41:35.980
With Microsoft

41:35.980 --> 41:38.960
So I mean

41:38.960 --> 41:40.080
Microsoft purchasing

41:40.080 --> 41:40.720
Virtual PC

41:40.720 --> 41:41.420
Basically killed

41:41.420 --> 41:42.080
The competition

41:42.080 --> 41:43.400
For that

41:43.400 --> 41:44.640
Emulator market

41:44.640 --> 41:45.580
You know I know

41:45.580 --> 41:46.140
A lot of people

41:46.140 --> 41:46.800
Don't like

41:46.800 --> 41:48.240
Seeing or hearing

41:48.240 --> 41:49.640
These news stories

41:49.640 --> 41:50.300
And headlines

41:50.300 --> 41:52.160
About what company

41:52.160 --> 41:53.020
Is buying what

41:53.020 --> 41:53.480
And who is

41:53.480 --> 41:54.300
Investing in who

41:54.300 --> 41:54.920
And what company

41:54.920 --> 41:55.580
Is eating up

41:55.580 --> 41:56.220
Another country

41:56.220 --> 41:56.880
And combining

41:56.880 --> 41:57.920
Blah blah blah

41:57.920 --> 41:58.720
I know it kind of

41:58.720 --> 41:59.240
Sounds boring

41:59.240 --> 41:59.760
On the surface

41:59.760 --> 42:01.080
But you've got to

42:01.080 --> 42:01.880
Realize that

42:01.880 --> 42:02.860
The damage

42:02.860 --> 42:04.120
And the reasoning

42:04.120 --> 42:05.040
Behind some of

42:05.040 --> 42:05.300
This stuff

42:05.300 --> 42:05.880
Like the whole

42:05.880 --> 42:06.720
Sko thing

42:06.720 --> 42:08.180
Oh my god

42:08.180 --> 42:08.560
I don't even

42:08.560 --> 42:09.040
Want to start

42:09.040 --> 42:09.340
On that

42:09.340 --> 42:10.000
On this episode

42:10.000 --> 42:10.440
Because I'll

42:10.440 --> 42:11.160
Just go off

42:11.160 --> 42:11.480
On that

42:11.480 --> 42:12.120
What people

42:12.120 --> 42:12.560
Don't realize

42:12.560 --> 42:13.440
Is they may

42:13.440 --> 42:13.900
Not think it

42:13.900 --> 42:14.360
Affects them

42:14.360 --> 42:14.800
But it really

42:14.800 --> 42:15.260
Does

42:15.260 --> 42:16.040
It absolutely

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Does

42:16.300 --> 42:16.620
Every time

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You go to

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The store

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Every time

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You go to

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The gas pump

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Every time

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You make

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A phone call

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It has a

42:22.540 --> 42:23.240
Definite impact

42:23.240 --> 42:23.580
On you

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And you have

42:23.980 --> 42:24.460
To be aware

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Of it

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Yeah I actually

42:26.060 --> 42:27.120
Mentioned that

42:27.120 --> 42:27.480
In my

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Cyber law class

42:28.800 --> 42:29.460
I mentioned

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I started

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The new

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Cyber law class

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And I brought

42:31.400 --> 42:31.920
That up

42:31.920 --> 42:33.000
In class

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And I was

42:33.580 --> 42:34.160
Surprised that

42:34.160 --> 42:35.060
Nobody had

42:35.060 --> 42:35.560
Heard of it

42:35.560 --> 42:36.580
Or they didn't

42:36.580 --> 42:37.280
Know the details

42:37.280 --> 42:37.500
Of it

42:37.500 --> 42:37.920
Somebody said

42:37.920 --> 42:38.760
Oh yeah I heard

42:38.760 --> 42:39.580
Something about that

42:39.580 --> 42:40.020
But they didn't

42:40.020 --> 42:40.940
Know the details

42:40.940 --> 42:41.260
Of it

42:41.260 --> 42:42.440
So I mentioned

42:42.440 --> 42:43.320
That in class

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So I think

42:43.820 --> 42:45.080
I opened a lot

42:45.080 --> 42:45.740
Of people's eyes

42:45.740 --> 42:46.100
Hopefully

42:46.100 --> 42:46.700
And explained

42:46.700 --> 42:47.640
And the funny

42:47.640 --> 42:47.920
Thing

42:47.920 --> 42:48.260
And I'm sorry

42:48.260 --> 42:48.720
To take this

42:48.720 --> 42:49.140
Off on this

42:49.140 --> 42:49.480
Tangent

42:49.480 --> 42:49.800
But it just

42:49.800 --> 42:50.320
Popped into my

42:50.320 --> 42:50.600
Head

42:50.600 --> 42:51.600
The funny thing

42:51.600 --> 42:52.340
Is the instructor

42:52.340 --> 42:53.480
Herself had not

42:53.480 --> 42:53.920
Heard of it

42:53.920 --> 42:55.060
She's a lawyer

42:55.060 --> 42:56.480
Who knows

42:56.480 --> 42:57.260
Cyber law

42:57.260 --> 42:57.700
But she's not

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A tech person

42:58.460 --> 42:59.180
So she had not

42:59.180 --> 42:59.540
Heard of the

42:59.540 --> 43:00.060
Story either

43:00.060 --> 43:01.300
But the funny

43:01.300 --> 43:02.140
Thing was that

43:02.140 --> 43:02.780
I told the

43:02.780 --> 43:03.400
Whole story

43:03.400 --> 43:04.000
I explained

43:04.000 --> 43:04.460
You know

43:04.460 --> 43:05.180
The whole

43:05.180 --> 43:05.760
Situation

43:05.760 --> 43:06.220
And again

43:06.220 --> 43:06.460
I'm not

43:06.460 --> 43:06.660
Going to

43:06.660 --> 43:07.240
Rehash it

43:07.240 --> 43:07.600
All here

43:07.600 --> 43:09.000
But I also

43:09.000 --> 43:09.640
She kind of

43:09.640 --> 43:10.120
Everybody was

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Kind of

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You know

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Found it

43:11.140 --> 43:11.480
Interesting

43:11.480 --> 43:11.800
There were a

43:11.800 --> 43:12.320
Couple questions

43:12.320 --> 43:12.960
And she raised

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Her eyes

43:13.340 --> 43:13.740
Was like

43:13.740 --> 43:14.340
Wow that's

43:14.340 --> 43:14.660
Interesting

43:14.660 --> 43:15.960
I snuck in

43:15.960 --> 43:16.600
At the end

43:16.600 --> 43:17.340
Since it is

43:17.340 --> 43:17.500
The same

43:17.500 --> 43:17.780
Interested

43:17.780 --> 43:18.280
I added

43:18.280 --> 43:19.220
That little

43:19.220 --> 43:19.780
Conspiracy

43:19.780 --> 43:20.100
Theory

43:20.100 --> 43:21.000
About some

43:21.000 --> 43:21.640
People thinking

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That Microsoft

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May be

43:25.720 --> 43:26.680
Well the

43:26.680 --> 43:27.120
Conspiracy

43:27.120 --> 43:27.540
Excuse me

43:27.540 --> 43:28.240
The conspiracy

43:28.240 --> 43:28.880
Theory that

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They're hoping

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That they get

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Bought up

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By IBM

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Or Microsoft

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Or one of

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Those companies

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Microsoft has

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Already just

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Decided to

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License

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So that was

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A stretch

43:37.540 --> 43:37.840
Anyway

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But IBM

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Possibly

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Buying

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SCO

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To avoid

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The lawsuits

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And the

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Licensing fees

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It might

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Just be

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Cheaper

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And easier

43:46.800 --> 43:47.820
For them

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To just

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Buy the

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Company

43:48.860 --> 43:49.080
Up

43:49.080 --> 43:49.860
And a lot

43:49.860 --> 43:50.120
Of people

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Think

43:50.340 --> 43:50.820
That conspiracy

43:50.820 --> 43:51.740
Huh

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You can't

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Beat them

43:52.780 --> 43:53.100
Bile

43:53.100 --> 43:53.620
Exactly

43:53.620 --> 43:55.100
And the funny

43:55.100 --> 43:55.480
Thing is I

43:55.480 --> 43:55.920
Mentioned that

43:55.920 --> 43:56.140
To my

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Instructor

43:56.540 --> 43:56.940
Who knew

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Nothing

43:57.220 --> 43:57.760
About this

43:57.760 --> 43:57.980
And knew

43:57.980 --> 43:58.240
Nothing

43:58.240 --> 43:58.660
About it

43:58.660 --> 43:58.980
And I

43:58.980 --> 43:59.600
Even prefaced

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It by

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Saying

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Listen

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This is

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A conspiracy

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Theory

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This

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You know

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I'm not

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Saying this

44:04.120 --> 44:04.460
Is right

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But some

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People think

44:05.460 --> 44:05.800
This

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And she

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Kind of

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Rubbed her

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You know

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What

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That's

44:08.500 --> 44:09.420
Absolutely

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Not a

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Far-fetched

44:11.300 --> 44:11.800
Conspiracy

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Theory

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At all

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It's not

44:13.600 --> 44:13.980
And I

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Was surprised

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That someone

44:15.020 --> 44:15.700
Who was not

44:15.700 --> 44:16.340
On the inside

44:16.340 --> 44:16.780
Because you know

44:16.780 --> 44:17.800
We have a tendency

44:17.800 --> 44:18.560
To get biased

44:18.560 --> 44:19.320
A little bit biased

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Sometimes

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Because we're so

44:20.700 --> 44:21.760
You know

44:21.760 --> 44:22.380
We have such

44:22.380 --> 44:23.280
Loyalty to some

44:23.280 --> 44:23.780
Of these things

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So close to

44:24.380 --> 44:24.820
Everything

44:24.820 --> 44:25.260
Exactly

44:25.260 --> 44:25.940
When an outside

44:25.940 --> 44:26.500
Person

44:26.500 --> 44:27.720
Also agrees

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And says

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You know

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What

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That does

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Sound pretty

44:29.580 --> 44:30.140
Realistic

44:30.140 --> 44:31.320
There's some

44:31.320 --> 44:31.820
Credibility

44:31.820 --> 44:32.320
But for that

44:32.320 --> 44:32.740
Absolutely

44:32.740 --> 44:33.600
Alright

44:33.600 --> 44:34.040
I didn't mean

44:34.040 --> 44:34.800
To branch off

44:34.800 --> 44:34.940
Of that

44:34.940 --> 44:35.200
But I think

44:35.200 --> 44:35.700
We kind of

44:35.700 --> 44:36.680
I think we kind of

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Beat a dead horse

44:37.320 --> 44:37.620
Anyway

44:37.620 --> 44:38.000
I mean

44:38.000 --> 44:38.480
I just want to

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One more thing

44:39.160 --> 44:40.000
About the virtual PC

44:40.000 --> 44:40.520
Is that

44:40.520 --> 44:41.420
Honestly

44:41.420 --> 44:42.780
Most people

44:42.780 --> 44:43.280
I know

44:43.280 --> 44:43.880
That use Macs

44:43.880 --> 44:44.740
Don't even need it

44:44.740 --> 44:45.240
Even if they're

44:45.240 --> 44:45.760
In a Windows

44:45.760 --> 44:46.600
Environment

44:46.600 --> 44:47.800
Say at work

44:47.800 --> 44:49.440
Because most

44:49.440 --> 44:50.280
Every application

44:50.280 --> 44:50.980
That you'd ever use

44:50.980 --> 44:51.380
In Windows

44:51.380 --> 44:52.560
Is either available

44:52.560 --> 44:53.200
For the Mac

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Or there's

44:53.600 --> 44:55.020
An equivalent version

44:55.020 --> 44:55.540
Right

44:55.540 --> 44:56.120
And I've said

44:56.120 --> 44:56.600
The same thing

44:56.600 --> 44:57.620
About Linux too

44:57.620 --> 44:58.060
I mean

44:58.060 --> 44:58.560
Everything

44:58.560 --> 44:59.300
You know

44:59.300 --> 44:59.900
People think

44:59.900 --> 45:00.720
Oh Linux

45:00.720 --> 45:01.320
Doesn't have any

45:01.320 --> 45:02.100
Software for it

45:02.100 --> 45:02.860
You can't play this

45:02.860 --> 45:03.360
You can't play

45:03.360 --> 45:03.980
Well no

45:03.980 --> 45:05.240
Yes you can emulate

45:05.240 --> 45:05.860
You can do

45:05.860 --> 45:06.500
All that stuff

45:06.500 --> 45:06.980
Now everything

45:06.980 --> 45:07.660
Is becoming

45:07.660 --> 45:09.200
Interchangeable

45:09.200 --> 45:10.820
Now what you

45:10.820 --> 45:11.600
Can't do

45:11.600 --> 45:13.380
And gee

45:13.380 --> 45:14.220
I wonder why

45:14.220 --> 45:15.120
Now Linux

45:15.120 --> 45:15.860
You can emulate

45:15.860 --> 45:16.560
And run

45:16.560 --> 45:17.640
Windows applications

45:17.640 --> 45:18.300
On Mac

45:18.300 --> 45:19.100
You can emulate

45:19.100 --> 45:19.940
And run Windows

45:19.940 --> 45:20.880
And Linux applications

45:20.880 --> 45:21.580
But guess what

45:21.580 --> 45:23.300
On Microsoft Windows

45:23.300 --> 45:24.320
Can you emulate

45:24.320 --> 45:24.340
Can you emulate

45:24.340 --> 45:25.060
And run Mac

45:25.060 --> 45:26.280
No

45:26.280 --> 45:27.580
Not that I know of

45:27.580 --> 45:28.200
Can you emulate

45:28.200 --> 45:29.120
And run Unix

45:29.120 --> 45:30.060
No

45:30.060 --> 45:30.820
Well there's some

45:30.820 --> 45:31.660
There's some ports

45:31.660 --> 45:32.420
But there is not

45:32.420 --> 45:33.040
Emulation

45:33.040 --> 45:34.580
Gee do you think

45:34.580 --> 45:35.920
Microsoft would ever

45:35.920 --> 45:36.520
Do that

45:36.520 --> 45:38.080
Hell no

45:38.080 --> 45:38.840
Gee why

45:38.840 --> 45:39.500
Why would you want

45:39.500 --> 45:39.940
To run anything

45:39.940 --> 45:40.500
But Windows

45:40.500 --> 45:41.260
Exactly

45:41.260 --> 45:42.340
Exactly

45:42.340 --> 45:43.000
So it's funny

45:43.000 --> 45:44.300
That the rest of the world

45:44.300 --> 45:45.180
The rest of the OS

45:45.180 --> 45:45.640
Community

45:45.640 --> 45:47.140
Is evolving into

45:47.140 --> 45:48.480
A unified direction

45:48.480 --> 45:49.480
While Microsoft

45:49.480 --> 45:51.040
Is still holding on

45:51.040 --> 45:51.440
To that

45:51.440 --> 45:52.960
Just that monopoly

45:52.960 --> 45:53.520
That they have

45:53.520 --> 45:54.900
That we are the

45:54.900 --> 45:55.700
Center of the universe

45:55.700 --> 45:56.780
And we are not

45:56.780 --> 45:57.380
Going to

45:57.380 --> 45:57.860
You know

45:57.860 --> 45:59.560
Anyway that's a

45:59.560 --> 46:00.640
Whole nother show

46:00.640 --> 46:02.260
Basically

46:02.260 --> 46:03.440
You know the moral

46:03.440 --> 46:04.320
Of the story is

46:04.320 --> 46:05.200
And this is the reason

46:05.200 --> 46:06.160
I really wanted to

46:06.160 --> 46:07.040
Spend this time on it

46:07.040 --> 46:07.540
And thank you for

46:07.540 --> 46:08.240
Doing it is

46:08.240 --> 46:10.480
Macintosh

46:10.480 --> 46:13.320
Is cool again

46:13.320 --> 46:14.580
It really is

46:14.580 --> 46:16.440
Five to ten years ago

46:16.440 --> 46:18.960
It was the biggest joke

46:18.960 --> 46:19.940
I mean you've got to

46:19.940 --> 46:20.540
Be honest

46:20.540 --> 46:21.540
Dark ages

46:21.540 --> 46:23.580
It was the biggest joke

46:23.580 --> 46:23.600
It was awful

46:23.600 --> 46:24.720
You had people

46:24.720 --> 46:26.320
They didn't know

46:26.320 --> 46:28.360
What they wanted to do

46:28.360 --> 46:31.100
Honestly OS X

46:31.100 --> 46:32.740
Between the IMAX

46:32.740 --> 46:33.440
And the OS X

46:33.440 --> 46:34.560
That's what saved the company

46:34.560 --> 46:35.540
The IMAX

46:35.540 --> 46:36.380
Made them pretty

46:36.380 --> 46:37.060
The eye candy

46:37.060 --> 46:37.880
To get people back

46:37.880 --> 46:38.100
They made them

46:38.100 --> 46:39.080
Back in the public eye

46:39.080 --> 46:39.860
And then OS X

46:39.860 --> 46:40.940
Made them useful again

46:40.940 --> 46:41.620
Usable

46:41.620 --> 46:42.740
I mean OS X

46:42.740 --> 46:44.260
For all it's fault

46:44.260 --> 46:45.000
It was still a really

46:45.000 --> 46:45.880
Good operating system

46:45.880 --> 46:46.980
It was far more stable

46:46.980 --> 46:47.900
Than Windows ever dreamed

46:47.900 --> 46:48.220
Of being

46:48.220 --> 46:49.340
It was far more secure

46:49.340 --> 46:51.260
OS X is far more secure

46:51.260 --> 46:52.420
Than Windows will ever be

46:52.420 --> 46:54.980
But it had its problems

46:54.980 --> 46:57.560
If you had an application

46:57.560 --> 46:59.000
Crash in OS 9

46:59.000 --> 46:59.900
Basically it brought

46:59.900 --> 47:00.680
The whole computer down

47:00.680 --> 47:01.060
It didn't have

47:01.060 --> 47:01.980
The protected memory

47:01.980 --> 47:03.520
You couldn't

47:03.520 --> 47:04.580
It didn't really have

47:04.580 --> 47:05.660
True multitasking

47:05.660 --> 47:07.340
So if you were say

47:07.340 --> 47:08.300
In Photoshop

47:08.300 --> 47:09.580
Or even doing video

47:09.580 --> 47:10.220
And you were rendering

47:10.220 --> 47:11.420
A huge video file

47:11.420 --> 47:12.440
You basically had to

47:12.440 --> 47:12.940
Sit there and wait

47:12.940 --> 47:13.680
For it to get done

47:13.680 --> 47:14.400
You couldn't do anything

47:14.400 --> 47:15.140
Else with the computer

47:15.140 --> 47:16.760
With OS X

47:16.760 --> 47:18.060
I think Windows

47:18.060 --> 47:19.420
Has some multitasking too

47:19.420 --> 47:20.620
You could be having

47:20.620 --> 47:21.660
That chug away

47:21.660 --> 47:22.280
In the background

47:22.280 --> 47:23.100
Doing whatever it is

47:23.100 --> 47:23.340
You're doing

47:23.340 --> 47:24.100
But you can go online

47:24.100 --> 47:24.860
Check your email

47:24.860 --> 47:25.620
And it doesn't

47:25.620 --> 47:26.300
Phase it a bit

47:26.300 --> 47:28.120
And you're

47:28.120 --> 47:29.520
For me my productivity

47:29.520 --> 47:30.480
Has just gone through

47:30.480 --> 47:30.980
The roof

47:30.980 --> 47:31.940
Using X

47:31.940 --> 47:32.940
As opposed to 9

47:32.940 --> 47:34.220
I could do so much more

47:34.220 --> 47:35.060
At the same time

47:35.060 --> 47:36.180
Well I mean I guess

47:36.180 --> 47:37.500
You it's kind of

47:37.500 --> 47:38.600
It's probably a bad

47:38.600 --> 47:39.700
Metaphor to say this

47:39.700 --> 47:40.220
But it's kind of

47:40.220 --> 47:41.060
An equivalent to

47:41.060 --> 47:42.000
Windows 95

47:42.000 --> 47:42.640
I mean it was

47:42.640 --> 47:44.120
A huge change

47:44.120 --> 47:45.040
In thinking

47:45.040 --> 47:46.560
Of how the OS

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The underlying thought

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Of how the OS works

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And the nature of it

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From Windows 3.1

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To Windows 95

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But it was buggy

47:53.140 --> 47:54.000
It was full of errors

47:54.000 --> 47:54.980
It was full of problems

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For all the good things

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That it brought

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It still had crashes

47:57.900 --> 47:59.000
And you know

47:59.000 --> 47:59.660
Stuff like that

47:59.660 --> 48:00.220
And it sounds like

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The same thing

48:00.940 --> 48:02.580
That's a perfect analogy

48:02.580 --> 48:04.720
In fact I've actually

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Used that before

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Plending it to people

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And ironically

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I find that

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Windows users

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Who switch to the Mac

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Now

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To OS X

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Have a far easier time

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Navigating and learning

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To use OS X

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Than OS 9 users

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Who switch to OS X

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If that makes any sense

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Well I

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You know

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I play with it

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At the

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Compusa

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And Best Buy

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And some places

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Like that

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And you know

48:32.160 --> 48:32.800
I thought it was

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Fairly intuitive

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I didn't do anything

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Detailed on it

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Of course

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Because I do not

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Own one

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That I can sit there

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And hack away at it

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But

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Just like anything else

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Unless you learn

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You know

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You play with it

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That's the only way

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You learn

48:42.580 --> 48:43.100
Is to sit there

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And play with it

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And see what it can do

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Right

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But one other thing

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I will mention too

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As far as the hardware goes

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Is you don't really have

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To worry about

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A lot of the things

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You do with Windows

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I mean

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I've limited experience

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On PCs

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But enough to know

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That I mean

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Basically anything

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You want to do

48:58.400 --> 48:58.960
You have to really

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Mess with the BIOS

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If you want to boot

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From another

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From a CD

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Or another drive

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An external drive

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With a Mac

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It's

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You basically

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Just hold down a key

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When you boot up

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And more or less

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Ask you what you want

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To boot from

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Alright well

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But what about this

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What if I wanted

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To add another hard drive

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A second hard drive

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Because I was running

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Out of space

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Is that something

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That's easy

49:18.120 --> 49:20.040
If you have a G4

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Which you can put

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On the G4s

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You can put up

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To four drives

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And the new G5s

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You have to

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Put down the Compusa

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Get an ATA drive

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Open up the case

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Slap it in

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Format it

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And you're done

49:31.940 --> 49:32.940
Now an ATA drive

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Has to be

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Is there like

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Some kind of

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Mac certification

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Or will any old

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ATA drive

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Old ATA

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And that's a big

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Misconception

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People

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Will only use

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A Mac hard

49:43.200 --> 49:43.840
Well that's why

49:43.840 --> 49:44.680
I wanted to bring that up

49:44.680 --> 49:45.620
I had heard that

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It's a Mac hard drive

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And you buy a G4

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It's going to have

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An IBM or Fujitsu drive

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And you just go down

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A Compusa

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PC compatibility

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As far as a hardware

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Go 100%

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The same components

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The same RAM

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The same video cards

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I mean you can't go to

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Oh there's a caveat

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With the video cards

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You can't go down

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A Compusa

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And buy a Radeon

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9500 for Windows

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And have it work

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In your Mac

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There's specific drivers

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And there's a couple

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Specific AGP

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Things

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That you really have

50:16.380 --> 50:17.360
To be Mac specific

50:17.360 --> 50:18.120
But as far as

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Hard drives

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RAM

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That's all

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Interchangeable

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So

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If you're going to do

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Anything like

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A video card

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Sound card

50:25.860 --> 50:26.500
Something you should

50:26.500 --> 50:27.340
Probably do a little

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Research online first

50:28.400 --> 50:28.900
Make sure there's

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Drivers

50:29.220 --> 50:29.820
For a sound card

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You really don't need one

50:30.840 --> 50:32.000
I've never known

50:32.000 --> 50:32.520
Anybody that had to

50:32.520 --> 50:33.120
Put a sound card

50:33.120 --> 50:33.420
In their Mac

50:33.420 --> 50:34.220
Because they come with one

50:34.220 --> 50:35.360
If there's a sound card

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Integrated into the computer

50:36.420 --> 50:37.860
But if somebody wanted to

50:37.860 --> 50:38.480
If you wanted to get

50:38.480 --> 50:39.240
Like a sound blaster

50:39.240 --> 50:39.700
Or something

50:39.700 --> 50:40.020
Yeah

50:40.020 --> 50:41.160
Hardcore gaming

50:41.160 --> 50:41.680
Where they wanted

50:41.680 --> 50:42.160
Digital

50:42.160 --> 50:43.380
Find out

50:43.380 --> 50:44.180
Make sure that there's

50:44.180 --> 50:45.360
An OS X

50:45.360 --> 50:46.680
Specific driver for it

50:46.680 --> 50:47.480
And honestly

50:47.480 --> 50:48.360
A lot of the

50:48.360 --> 50:49.980
Say like the PCI cards

50:49.980 --> 50:50.460
That are out there

50:50.460 --> 50:50.860
Nowadays

50:50.860 --> 50:52.080
Like a SCSI card

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OS X has a lot of

50:54.480 --> 50:54.940
Those drivers

50:54.940 --> 50:56.020
Already built into it

50:56.020 --> 50:58.020
Because I went

50:58.020 --> 50:58.460
And got an

50:58.460 --> 50:59.680
Adaptic 2906

50:59.680 --> 51:00.240
I think it was

51:00.240 --> 51:00.960
For my scanner

51:00.960 --> 51:03.480
And I put the card in

51:03.480 --> 51:04.220
And just boot up

51:04.220 --> 51:04.700
The computer

51:04.700 --> 51:05.320
And the scanner

51:05.320 --> 51:05.860
Just worked

51:05.860 --> 51:07.220
I didn't have to

51:07.220 --> 51:07.780
Configure it

51:07.780 --> 51:08.320
It just knew

51:08.320 --> 51:09.320
That the card was there

51:09.320 --> 51:10.420
Because the drivers

51:10.420 --> 51:10.980
Are already built

51:10.980 --> 51:11.960
Into the operating system

51:11.960 --> 51:12.820
Same thing with printers

51:12.820 --> 51:14.580
You can get

51:14.580 --> 51:16.080
Basically any USB printer

51:16.080 --> 51:16.660
Plug it into

51:16.660 --> 51:17.780
An OS X machine

51:17.780 --> 51:18.760
And it's just going to work

51:18.760 --> 51:19.740
Right

51:19.740 --> 51:20.080
Well

51:20.080 --> 51:20.560
You know

51:20.560 --> 51:22.000
USB and Firewire

51:22.000 --> 51:22.500
Are just

51:22.500 --> 51:23.260
You know

51:23.260 --> 51:23.920
Godsends

51:23.920 --> 51:24.900
As far as that goes

51:24.900 --> 51:25.300
Definitely

51:25.300 --> 51:25.880
Definitely

51:25.880 --> 51:27.100
Alright

51:27.100 --> 51:27.420
Well

51:27.420 --> 51:28.040
You know what

51:28.040 --> 51:29.680
Again

51:29.680 --> 51:30.720
The moral of the story

51:30.720 --> 51:31.920
Mac is cool

51:31.920 --> 51:33.140
Hackintosh is back

51:33.140 --> 51:34.100
I'll say it like that

51:34.100 --> 51:35.040
The Hackintosh is back

51:35.040 --> 51:35.940
And actually

51:35.940 --> 51:36.860
You and I

51:36.860 --> 51:37.520
Had talked about this

51:37.520 --> 51:37.920
Offline

51:37.920 --> 51:38.700
I guess we can mention it

51:38.700 --> 51:39.160
We were actually

51:39.160 --> 51:40.220
Going to start trying

51:40.220 --> 51:41.760
To have a regular

51:41.760 --> 51:42.500
Hackintosh

51:42.500 --> 51:43.620
Macintosh section

51:43.620 --> 51:45.340
In Binary Revolution

51:45.340 --> 51:46.520
Starting with the next

51:46.520 --> 51:47.400
Issue hopefully

51:47.400 --> 51:48.780
So

51:48.780 --> 51:49.960
There's not just the

51:49.960 --> 51:51.140
I mean the iPods now

51:51.140 --> 51:51.680
There's a whole

51:51.680 --> 51:52.240
Hacking

51:52.240 --> 51:53.360
Oh yeah

51:53.360 --> 51:54.660
Of genre right there

51:54.660 --> 51:55.580
There's people that are

51:55.580 --> 51:57.000
Writing entire operating

51:57.000 --> 51:57.740
Systems for them

51:57.740 --> 51:58.500
Based on XML

51:58.500 --> 51:59.920
Well I think the iPod

51:59.920 --> 52:01.000
Is cool by itself

52:01.000 --> 52:01.580
Oh definitely

52:01.580 --> 52:02.560
You know without any

52:02.560 --> 52:02.840
Hacking

52:02.840 --> 52:04.040
That's a cool item

52:04.040 --> 52:04.780
It's a cool device

52:04.780 --> 52:05.540
That works well

52:05.540 --> 52:06.660
A lot of storage

52:06.660 --> 52:07.500
Small portable

52:07.500 --> 52:08.620
It's already a great

52:08.620 --> 52:10.340
MP3 player as it is

52:10.340 --> 52:10.680
So

52:10.680 --> 52:11.900
You can use it as a

52:11.900 --> 52:12.660
Hard drive as well

52:12.660 --> 52:12.800
But yeah

52:12.800 --> 52:13.280
The fact

52:13.280 --> 52:13.840
The power

52:13.840 --> 52:14.860
And the things

52:14.860 --> 52:15.540
You can do with that

52:15.540 --> 52:16.500
Yeah if you do some

52:16.500 --> 52:17.760
Some searching on the

52:17.760 --> 52:18.400
Internet you'll find

52:18.400 --> 52:19.160
A lot of interesting

52:19.160 --> 52:19.880
Stuff you write

52:19.880 --> 52:22.080
Let's move on

52:22.080 --> 52:22.640
To some actual

52:22.640 --> 52:23.460
News topics

52:23.460 --> 52:24.340
We don't have

52:24.340 --> 52:25.220
Too much time left

52:25.220 --> 52:25.520
But I'm going to

52:25.520 --> 52:25.960
Hit a couple

52:25.960 --> 52:27.020
Quick things

52:27.020 --> 52:27.420
Like

52:27.420 --> 52:29.460
Like

52:29.460 --> 52:30.660
There is

52:30.660 --> 52:31.300
I read this

52:31.300 --> 52:31.760
And this kind of

52:31.760 --> 52:32.200
Made me a little

52:32.200 --> 52:32.640
Bit mad

52:32.640 --> 52:33.460
There is a

52:33.460 --> 52:34.640
Phenomenon

52:34.640 --> 52:35.160
There's a trend

52:35.160 --> 52:35.880
Going on

52:35.880 --> 52:37.820
Where companies

52:37.820 --> 52:38.540
Are starting to

52:38.540 --> 52:39.480
Pay people

52:39.480 --> 52:40.700
Instead of giving

52:40.700 --> 52:41.660
Them a paper check

52:41.660 --> 52:42.720
They're actually

52:42.720 --> 52:43.360
Starting to pay

52:43.360 --> 52:44.120
People with a

52:44.120 --> 52:45.360
Prepaid card

52:45.360 --> 52:46.100
Or a prepaid

52:46.100 --> 52:46.740
Debit card

52:46.740 --> 52:47.640
Or a paycheck card

52:47.640 --> 52:48.100
They have different

52:48.100 --> 52:48.820
Terms for them

52:48.820 --> 52:50.240
Where they actually

52:50.240 --> 52:51.080
Give employees

52:51.080 --> 52:52.780
A Mastercard

52:52.780 --> 52:53.240
Or Visa

52:53.240 --> 52:54.400
Backed

52:54.400 --> 52:55.540
Debit card

52:55.540 --> 52:56.440
With their money

52:56.440 --> 52:57.060
On it every two

52:57.060 --> 52:57.400
Weeks

52:57.400 --> 52:59.380
Or an account

52:59.380 --> 53:00.740
On Mastercard

53:00.740 --> 53:01.020
Visa

53:01.020 --> 53:02.460
Where every two

53:02.460 --> 53:02.980
Weeks they just

53:02.980 --> 53:03.940
Deposit and add

53:03.940 --> 53:04.920
Money onto it

53:04.920 --> 53:06.060
Have you heard

53:06.060 --> 53:06.660
About this before

53:06.660 --> 53:07.620
Not until you

53:07.620 --> 53:08.240
Mentioned it before

53:08.240 --> 53:08.660
The show

53:08.660 --> 53:09.440
But I have to say

53:09.440 --> 53:10.720
That really bothers me

53:10.720 --> 53:12.620
When I first read it

53:12.620 --> 53:13.280
I thought it sounded

53:13.280 --> 53:14.100
Pretty damn cool

53:14.100 --> 53:14.540
I thought it would be

53:14.540 --> 53:14.760
Interesting

53:14.760 --> 53:15.280
On the surface

53:15.280 --> 53:15.780
It does

53:15.780 --> 53:16.940
It saves you a trip

53:16.940 --> 53:17.320
Like

53:17.320 --> 53:18.120
First of all

53:18.120 --> 53:19.040
The people that

53:19.040 --> 53:19.700
They're doing this

53:19.700 --> 53:21.160
With are basically

53:21.160 --> 53:22.880
Minimum wage

53:22.880 --> 53:23.600
Or low wage

53:23.600 --> 53:24.240
Employees

53:24.240 --> 53:25.640
So first of all

53:25.640 --> 53:25.960
You know

53:25.960 --> 53:26.520
The market

53:26.520 --> 53:27.120
That they're doing

53:27.120 --> 53:27.580
This with

53:27.580 --> 53:29.560
Is very precise

53:29.560 --> 53:30.680
As far as the bankers

53:30.680 --> 53:31.560
Everywhere I've ever worked

53:31.560 --> 53:32.660
I've had direct deposit

53:32.660 --> 53:33.360
Right

53:33.360 --> 53:33.980
And you know

53:33.980 --> 53:34.740
Even where I work

53:34.740 --> 53:35.680
They're requiring it

53:35.680 --> 53:36.440
They can't legally

53:36.440 --> 53:37.560
Require it by law

53:37.560 --> 53:38.920
But they try to

53:38.920 --> 53:40.700
Heavily influence you

53:40.700 --> 53:41.460
Into getting it

53:41.460 --> 53:42.100
And they say

53:42.100 --> 53:42.980
That it's required

53:42.980 --> 53:44.080
Even though they

53:44.080 --> 53:44.880
Couldn't legally back it

53:44.880 --> 53:45.660
But there's a deposit

53:45.660 --> 53:46.820
And you will like it

53:46.820 --> 53:47.200
Yeah

53:47.200 --> 53:49.560
You have no choice

53:49.560 --> 53:52.600
The companies

53:52.600 --> 53:53.420
A couple of the companies

53:53.420 --> 53:54.000
Using this are

53:54.000 --> 53:54.580
McDonald's

53:54.580 --> 53:55.100
Blockbuster

53:55.100 --> 53:55.760
And Sears

53:55.760 --> 53:57.000
And right now

53:57.000 --> 53:58.100
Over a million people

53:58.100 --> 53:58.840
Are using this

53:58.840 --> 53:59.480
And I think it's

53:59.480 --> 54:00.320
Big on the

54:00.320 --> 54:01.060
In California

54:01.060 --> 54:01.700
I think is where

54:01.700 --> 54:02.300
They're really doing

54:02.300 --> 54:02.820
A lot of this

54:02.820 --> 54:04.540
And they're expecting it

54:04.540 --> 54:05.880
To go to 3.5 million

54:05.880 --> 54:07.020
By 2006

54:07.020 --> 54:08.060
So they're actually

54:08.060 --> 54:08.900
Planning on going ahead

54:08.900 --> 54:09.260
With this

54:09.260 --> 54:10.660
Now the problem

54:10.660 --> 54:11.300
With this

54:11.300 --> 54:11.780
Because like I said

54:11.780 --> 54:12.660
It sounds great to me

54:12.660 --> 54:13.620
Give me a credit card

54:13.620 --> 54:14.340
And you know

54:14.340 --> 54:16.100
The idea of having

54:16.100 --> 54:17.200
A debit card to me

54:17.200 --> 54:18.440
Having all my money

54:18.440 --> 54:18.960
Portable

54:18.960 --> 54:19.540
Take it with me

54:19.540 --> 54:20.220
Wherever I go

54:20.220 --> 54:20.920
Swipe it

54:20.920 --> 54:21.600
You know

54:21.600 --> 54:23.300
I like the idea

54:23.300 --> 54:24.460
Except for the

54:24.460 --> 54:25.520
Privacy concerns of it

54:25.520 --> 54:26.380
That was my issue

54:26.380 --> 54:26.660
With it

54:26.660 --> 54:27.340
That they were able

54:27.340 --> 54:28.140
To track how you

54:28.140 --> 54:29.260
Spend your pay

54:29.260 --> 54:30.940
Now the privacy concerns

54:30.940 --> 54:32.460
We've well documented

54:32.460 --> 54:33.260
Those in the past

54:33.260 --> 54:34.720
But they've been around

54:34.720 --> 54:35.100
For years

54:35.100 --> 54:35.580
And they're going

54:35.580 --> 54:36.140
To be around

54:36.140 --> 54:36.540
You know

54:36.540 --> 54:37.380
American Express

54:37.380 --> 54:38.260
Keeps the database

54:38.260 --> 54:39.060
And sells it

54:39.060 --> 54:40.120
All the credit card

54:40.120 --> 54:40.440
Companies

54:40.440 --> 54:41.320
They know what you buy

54:41.320 --> 54:41.860
That's how they

54:41.860 --> 54:42.920
Sell your names

54:42.920 --> 54:43.980
As targeted marketing

54:43.980 --> 54:44.660
They know if you

54:44.660 --> 54:45.940
Shop at electronic stores

54:45.940 --> 54:46.680
You're going to get

54:46.680 --> 54:47.320
They're going to

54:47.320 --> 54:48.300
Sell it to electronics

54:48.300 --> 54:49.320
Companies to send you

54:49.320 --> 54:50.080
Junk in the mail

54:50.080 --> 54:52.520
And get a Best Buy

54:52.520 --> 54:54.040
Frequent buyer card

54:54.040 --> 54:55.600
And programs like that

54:55.600 --> 54:56.600
I'm trying to figure out

54:56.600 --> 54:57.100
Why I get all these

54:57.100 --> 54:58.200
Adam and Eve catalogs

54:58.200 --> 54:58.860
Though I can't figure

54:58.860 --> 54:59.360
That one out

54:59.360 --> 54:59.960
Oh yeah

54:59.960 --> 55:00.540
I wonder

55:00.540 --> 55:01.860
Maybe because their

55:01.860 --> 55:02.880
Logo is the Apple

55:02.880 --> 55:04.540
And you use an Apple

55:04.540 --> 55:05.360
Maybe that could be

55:05.360 --> 55:06.060
There you go

55:06.060 --> 55:07.400
Don't ask me how I know

55:07.400 --> 55:08.060
That's on their list

55:08.060 --> 55:09.340
That's a whole other story

55:09.340 --> 55:10.820
The bigger problem

55:10.820 --> 55:12.140
I have with this one though

55:12.140 --> 55:13.900
Is in the details of it

55:13.900 --> 55:14.800
As it turns out

55:14.800 --> 55:17.180
Well for example

55:17.180 --> 55:19.080
The whole process

55:19.080 --> 55:20.200
Of paying somebody

55:20.200 --> 55:20.860
On their paycheck

55:20.860 --> 55:22.660
The whole process

55:22.660 --> 55:24.900
There's software behind it

55:24.900 --> 55:25.640
The people that they

55:25.640 --> 55:26.320
Have to pay

55:26.320 --> 55:27.860
To work in benefits

55:27.860 --> 55:28.480
And payroll

55:28.480 --> 55:29.220
And stuff like that

55:29.220 --> 55:30.140
It averages out

55:30.140 --> 55:30.680
That it costs them

55:30.680 --> 55:32.220
About $2 for every check

55:32.220 --> 55:33.420
That they cut

55:33.420 --> 55:34.660
So if you have

55:34.660 --> 55:35.500
Lots of employees

55:35.500 --> 55:36.560
$2 a check

55:36.560 --> 55:37.520
You pay them every week

55:37.520 --> 55:38.140
Every two weeks

55:38.140 --> 55:38.500
Whatever

55:38.500 --> 55:39.880
That can add up

55:39.880 --> 55:40.760
That's a cost

55:40.760 --> 55:41.880
That the company incurs

55:41.880 --> 55:43.660
Well all these damn

55:43.660 --> 55:46.000
Cost saving measures

55:46.000 --> 55:46.680
That everybody's

55:46.680 --> 55:47.320
Trying to take

55:47.320 --> 55:48.180
They're trying to

55:48.180 --> 55:49.220
Redivert costs

55:49.220 --> 55:50.040
Away from themselves

55:50.040 --> 55:51.760
That's what this

55:51.760 --> 55:52.800
In essence does

55:52.800 --> 55:54.320
They're able to

55:54.320 --> 55:55.400
Outsource or use

55:55.400 --> 55:57.120
These prepaid cards

55:57.120 --> 55:58.340
Cheaper than having

55:58.340 --> 55:59.040
To cut checks

55:59.040 --> 55:59.780
They can pretty much

55:59.780 --> 56:00.660
Outsource a lot of

56:00.660 --> 56:01.800
The work to

56:01.800 --> 56:02.820
MasterCard and Visa

56:02.820 --> 56:03.520
As far as the

56:03.520 --> 56:04.300
Accounting and stuff

56:04.300 --> 56:04.820
Like that

56:04.820 --> 56:06.720
And for them

56:06.720 --> 56:07.560
It's much much

56:07.560 --> 56:08.240
Cheaper to use it

56:08.240 --> 56:09.060
They end up saving

56:09.060 --> 56:10.720
$50 to $100 per year

56:10.720 --> 56:12.300
For each employee

56:12.300 --> 56:14.680
$50 to $100 savings

56:14.680 --> 56:15.420
For each employee

56:15.420 --> 56:16.520
And when you're

56:16.520 --> 56:16.940
You know

56:16.940 --> 56:18.040
The McDonald's of the world

56:18.040 --> 56:18.640
The Blockbuster

56:18.640 --> 56:19.140
You have a lot of

56:19.140 --> 56:20.240
Employees that can add up

56:20.240 --> 56:21.420
So from a business

56:21.420 --> 56:22.440
Standpoint you can see

56:22.440 --> 56:23.520
The idea of

56:23.520 --> 56:24.200
How much money

56:24.200 --> 56:24.920
You would save from it

56:24.920 --> 56:26.240
The problem is

56:26.240 --> 56:28.100
That the cards

56:28.100 --> 56:28.860
Themselves

56:28.860 --> 56:29.820
The execution of

56:29.820 --> 56:30.580
These cards

56:30.580 --> 56:31.780
Is such that

56:31.780 --> 56:33.360
Okay you give

56:33.360 --> 56:34.080
Somebody a card

56:34.080 --> 56:34.680
Here's how much

56:34.680 --> 56:35.060
You made

56:35.060 --> 56:35.560
And we put it

56:35.560 --> 56:36.600
As debit on this card

56:36.600 --> 56:37.700
Well when they go

56:37.700 --> 56:38.520
To try to use

56:38.520 --> 56:39.540
That card somewhere

56:39.540 --> 56:41.540
Like everybody else

56:41.540 --> 56:42.120
The banks

56:42.120 --> 56:43.680
Anybody who has

56:43.680 --> 56:44.480
Bad banking

56:44.480 --> 56:45.900
Knows that if you

56:45.900 --> 56:46.700
Use an ATM

56:46.700 --> 56:47.480
From someone else

56:47.480 --> 56:47.760
You're going to

56:47.760 --> 56:48.600
Get hit with fees

56:48.600 --> 56:49.560
You know

56:49.560 --> 56:50.040
You get hit with

56:50.040 --> 56:50.960
A buck from that

56:50.960 --> 56:51.860
Bank or two bucks

56:51.860 --> 56:52.480
From that bank

56:52.480 --> 56:53.440
And two bucks

56:53.440 --> 56:54.000
From the owner

56:54.000 --> 56:54.680
Of the ATM

56:54.680 --> 56:55.980
You know

56:55.980 --> 56:56.520
So they start

56:56.520 --> 56:57.140
To pile up

56:57.140 --> 56:58.160
What ends up

56:58.160 --> 56:58.900
Happening is

56:58.900 --> 56:59.440
The people who

56:59.440 --> 56:59.980
Are getting these

56:59.980 --> 57:00.540
Cards

57:00.540 --> 57:01.620
End up paying

57:01.620 --> 57:02.580
Such outrageous

57:02.580 --> 57:03.360
Fees

57:03.360 --> 57:04.300
To have this

57:04.300 --> 57:04.740
Account

57:04.740 --> 57:06.560
That they're

57:06.560 --> 57:07.080
The ones that

57:07.080 --> 57:07.920
End up incurring

57:07.920 --> 57:08.860
That you save

57:08.860 --> 57:09.580
Fifty to a hundred

57:09.580 --> 57:10.240
Dollars for each

57:10.240 --> 57:11.080
Employee from the

57:11.080 --> 57:11.420
Company

57:11.420 --> 57:12.240
It ends up

57:12.240 --> 57:12.900
Costing them

57:12.900 --> 57:13.300
And this is

57:13.300 --> 57:13.840
The estimate

57:13.840 --> 57:14.320
This is from

57:14.320 --> 57:15.120
Consumer Reports

57:15.120 --> 57:15.500
Magazine

57:15.500 --> 57:16.360
They estimate

57:16.360 --> 57:17.140
That it costs

57:17.140 --> 57:18.100
A hundred and sixty

57:18.100 --> 57:19.220
Four dollars a year

57:19.220 --> 57:20.740
In transaction fees

57:20.740 --> 57:22.020
Average to the

57:22.020 --> 57:22.620
Employee

57:22.620 --> 57:23.580
So you save

57:23.580 --> 57:24.420
Fifty to a hundred

57:24.420 --> 57:25.600
From the

57:25.600 --> 57:26.680
Employer

57:26.680 --> 57:27.800
But the employee

57:27.800 --> 57:28.920
Ends up losing

57:28.920 --> 57:29.740
A hundred and sixty

57:29.740 --> 57:30.380
Four of their

57:30.380 --> 57:31.660
Hard earned money

57:31.660 --> 57:32.260
And somebody

57:32.260 --> 57:32.900
Tried to tell me

57:32.900 --> 57:33.540
That shit doesn't

57:33.540 --> 57:34.140
Roll downhill

57:34.140 --> 57:34.680
I mean

57:34.680 --> 57:35.940
This is ridiculous

57:35.940 --> 57:36.680
I don't know

57:36.680 --> 57:37.900
You know

57:37.900 --> 57:38.940
It's been a problem

57:38.940 --> 57:39.780
In IT world

57:39.780 --> 57:40.660
For years now

57:40.660 --> 57:42.020
You can't justify

57:42.020 --> 57:43.200
The IT department

57:43.200 --> 57:43.920
They don't make

57:43.920 --> 57:44.760
Money per se

57:44.760 --> 57:45.940
In most situations

57:45.940 --> 57:47.280
It's a

57:47.280 --> 57:47.880
You know

57:47.880 --> 57:48.620
A money pit

57:48.620 --> 57:50.400
You have to have

57:50.400 --> 57:51.500
But it's a

57:51.500 --> 57:52.320
Necessary money

57:52.320 --> 57:52.880
Well I know

57:52.880 --> 57:53.760
But see

57:53.760 --> 57:54.180
There is that

57:54.180 --> 57:55.080
Double edged sword

57:55.080 --> 57:56.100
Yeah it's necessary

57:56.100 --> 57:57.340
But the higher ups

57:57.340 --> 57:58.160
They don't quite

57:58.160 --> 57:58.900
Understand that

57:58.900 --> 58:00.060
You have to have

58:00.060 --> 58:00.900
A computer system

58:00.900 --> 58:01.460
To run

58:01.460 --> 58:02.360
You know

58:02.360 --> 58:03.820
Well I'll use

58:03.820 --> 58:04.280
My example

58:04.280 --> 58:04.980
A university

58:04.980 --> 58:06.040
You have millions

58:06.040 --> 58:06.500
Of students

58:06.500 --> 58:07.200
You have to have

58:07.200 --> 58:08.080
A computer department

58:08.080 --> 58:08.960
To maintain

58:08.960 --> 58:09.560
And run all that

58:09.560 --> 58:10.220
You can't do that

58:10.220 --> 58:10.720
Manually

58:10.720 --> 58:12.280
But at the same time

58:12.280 --> 58:13.000
How can we

58:13.000 --> 58:13.940
On the bottom line

58:13.940 --> 58:14.480
Say hey

58:14.480 --> 58:16.000
This is how much money

58:16.000 --> 58:16.540
You spent

58:16.540 --> 58:17.160
You know

58:17.160 --> 58:18.300
How many million

58:18.300 --> 58:19.500
On the IT department

58:19.500 --> 58:20.600
What did we get out of it

58:20.600 --> 58:21.200
You can't say

58:21.200 --> 58:21.780
Oh well

58:21.780 --> 58:23.880
We run the university

58:23.880 --> 58:24.660
That's you know

58:24.660 --> 58:25.760
It's an intangible thing

58:25.760 --> 58:26.400
You can't say

58:26.400 --> 58:27.640
Here's the bottom line

58:27.640 --> 58:28.900
We made

58:28.900 --> 58:30.080
This many million

58:30.080 --> 58:30.720
Back for you

58:30.720 --> 58:31.500
It's a money pit

58:31.500 --> 58:32.560
You have to have it

58:32.560 --> 58:33.680
A necessary evil

58:33.680 --> 58:34.300
To function

58:34.300 --> 58:35.740
And it's the same

58:35.740 --> 58:37.160
With HR department

58:37.160 --> 58:38.420
You have to have people

58:38.420 --> 58:39.960
You have to pay taxes

58:39.960 --> 58:40.540
On these people

58:40.540 --> 58:41.060
You have to

58:41.060 --> 58:42.860
Take care of all the benefits

58:42.860 --> 58:44.380
People run the software

58:44.380 --> 58:45.620
Do all the data entry

58:45.620 --> 58:46.420
To make sure

58:46.420 --> 58:46.680
They're

58:46.680 --> 58:48.680
Complying with

58:48.680 --> 58:49.460
State laws

58:49.460 --> 58:50.520
And federal laws

58:50.520 --> 58:51.060
And make sure

58:51.060 --> 58:52.380
There's a lot of stuff

58:52.380 --> 58:52.880
That goes behind

58:52.880 --> 58:53.920
But you can't justify

58:53.920 --> 58:54.460
That cost

58:54.460 --> 58:54.920
You can't say

58:54.920 --> 58:56.080
Okay what did you guys

58:56.080 --> 58:56.720
You know

58:56.720 --> 58:57.820
We paid this much money

58:57.820 --> 58:58.340
In salaries

58:58.340 --> 58:59.240
To the HR department

58:59.240 --> 59:00.620
What did you get back to us

59:00.620 --> 59:02.820
Well we paid the employees

59:02.820 --> 59:03.160
You know

59:03.160 --> 59:04.280
It's a necessary evil

59:04.280 --> 59:05.940
Well yeah

59:05.940 --> 59:06.740
That's true

59:06.740 --> 59:08.760
But just like in IT

59:08.760 --> 59:10.180
When you can't justify it

59:10.180 --> 59:10.820
They start saying

59:10.820 --> 59:11.560
Well you know what

59:11.560 --> 59:12.460
I don't think you need

59:12.460 --> 59:13.000
As much money

59:13.000 --> 59:13.620
As you say you do

59:13.620 --> 59:14.360
They start cutting

59:14.360 --> 59:15.500
And they cut back

59:15.500 --> 59:15.900
Your funding

59:15.900 --> 59:16.620
And they cut back

59:16.620 --> 59:17.100
Your funding

59:17.100 --> 59:18.220
And the same thing

59:18.220 --> 59:19.140
Could be happening here

59:19.140 --> 59:20.240
They're cutting funding

59:20.240 --> 59:21.300
From these things

59:21.300 --> 59:21.880
And they have to start

59:21.880 --> 59:23.140
Saving money where they can

59:23.140 --> 59:24.260
Well what that does

59:24.260 --> 59:24.840
Is it ends up

59:24.840 --> 59:26.200
Screwing the employees

59:26.200 --> 59:27.680
And they are consumers

59:27.680 --> 59:29.080
In this particular circumstance

59:29.080 --> 59:30.040
They should end up

59:30.040 --> 59:31.100
Screwing the employees

59:31.100 --> 59:32.240
And passing the costs

59:32.240 --> 59:32.980
On to them

59:32.980 --> 59:34.000
Well they're already

59:34.000 --> 59:35.240
Low and minimum wage

59:35.240 --> 59:35.980
Employees anyway

59:35.980 --> 59:36.640
They don't need

59:36.640 --> 59:38.480
This extra fees

59:38.480 --> 59:39.380
And crap loaded

59:39.380 --> 59:40.080
On top of them

59:40.080 --> 59:40.980
That's ridiculous

59:40.980 --> 59:42.380
And they have no say

59:42.380 --> 59:43.200
In it either

59:43.200 --> 59:43.780
That's the thing

59:43.780 --> 59:44.640
Well it's either

59:44.640 --> 59:45.580
Yeah quit and go

59:45.580 --> 59:46.280
Somewhere else

59:46.280 --> 59:47.100
You know that's

59:47.100 --> 59:47.900
Your only option

59:47.900 --> 59:48.980
In such circumstances

59:48.980 --> 59:49.580
Like that

59:49.580 --> 59:50.680
And you know

59:50.680 --> 59:52.240
If this keeps taking off

59:52.240 --> 59:52.820
Like it is

59:52.820 --> 59:53.680
To 3.5

59:53.680 --> 59:54.640
You know how many

59:54.640 --> 59:55.120
They're going to

59:55.120 --> 59:56.040
Just go from one company

59:56.040 --> 59:56.500
That does it

59:56.500 --> 59:57.220
To another one

59:57.220 --> 59:59.800
I hope this doesn't

59:59.800 --> 01:00:00.320
Take off

01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:01.140
I really don't

01:00:01.140 --> 01:00:02.200
Or if it does

01:00:02.200 --> 01:00:03.820
They need to work out

01:00:03.820 --> 01:00:05.540
Some better deals

01:00:05.540 --> 01:00:06.460
For the employees

01:00:06.460 --> 01:00:07.000
Work out

01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:07.380
Okay

01:00:07.380 --> 01:00:08.200
You're going to

01:00:08.200 --> 01:00:09.040
Put it on the debit card

01:00:09.040 --> 01:00:09.460
Which again

01:00:09.460 --> 01:00:10.040
I thought it was

01:00:10.040 --> 01:00:11.080
A good idea at first

01:00:11.080 --> 01:00:11.540
In theory

01:00:11.540 --> 01:00:12.480
I like the concept

01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:14.200
But you've got to

01:00:14.200 --> 01:00:14.960
Work out a deal

01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:16.140
With MasterCard Visa

01:00:16.140 --> 01:00:16.560
That says

01:00:16.560 --> 01:00:17.720
Don't charge them

01:00:17.720 --> 01:00:18.400
These fees

01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:18.940
If we're going to

01:00:18.940 --> 01:00:19.300
Do it

01:00:19.300 --> 01:00:20.260
Do it right

01:00:20.260 --> 01:00:20.760
All right

01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:21.220
We're going to

01:00:21.220 --> 01:00:21.660
Charge you

01:00:21.660 --> 01:00:22.440
To get paid

01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:23.140
Yeah

01:00:23.140 --> 01:00:24.100
That's another

01:00:24.100 --> 01:00:24.800
Way of looking at it

01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:25.140
And that's

01:00:25.140 --> 01:00:26.180
God how tacky

01:00:26.180 --> 01:00:26.640
Is that

01:00:26.640 --> 01:00:27.480
That's wrong

01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:27.960
I mean that's

01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:28.440
More or less

01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:29.120
It goes back

01:00:29.120 --> 01:00:29.560
To the old

01:00:29.560 --> 01:00:30.220
Back in the old

01:00:30.220 --> 01:00:30.760
Mining days

01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:31.740
The company store

01:00:31.740 --> 01:00:32.360
Yeah

01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.220
That's pathetic

01:00:34.220 --> 01:00:34.700
You'd end up

01:00:34.700 --> 01:00:36.040
Working a week

01:00:36.040 --> 01:00:36.700
And ended up

01:00:36.700 --> 01:00:37.620
Being deeper in debt

01:00:37.620 --> 01:00:38.080
$4

01:00:38.080 --> 01:00:39.420
I mean for some people

01:00:39.420 --> 01:00:40.320
That's like a weekend

01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:40.980
Of overtime

01:00:40.980 --> 01:00:42.280
Just to pay these fees

01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.140
I would hurt

01:00:44.140 --> 01:00:45.020
$164

01:00:45.020 --> 01:00:45.600
That's

01:00:45.600 --> 01:00:46.280
Jeez

01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:47.740
Forget about it

01:00:47.740 --> 01:00:48.000
Now

01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:49.240
And the other thing is

01:00:49.240 --> 01:00:52.080
In general

01:00:52.080 --> 01:00:54.060
Debit cards have been

01:00:54.060 --> 01:00:55.300
Becoming more popular

01:00:55.300 --> 01:00:56.400
Because they are handy

01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:57.300
You know

01:00:57.300 --> 01:00:57.880
They're convenient

01:00:57.880 --> 01:00:58.280
You got it

01:00:58.280 --> 01:00:58.640
Like I said

01:00:58.640 --> 01:00:59.080
I thought it was

01:00:59.080 --> 01:00:59.720
A good idea at first

01:00:59.720 --> 01:01:01.480
I'm waiting for

01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:03.620
Some big announcement

01:01:03.620 --> 01:01:04.780
Some big news story

01:01:04.780 --> 01:01:05.480
About

01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.760
Some debit card fraud

01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:08.740
Some kind of hacking

01:01:08.740 --> 01:01:09.660
Some kind of transaction

01:01:09.660 --> 01:01:10.160
Something

01:01:10.160 --> 01:01:11.280
They're going to blame

01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:12.160
Hackers for

01:01:12.160 --> 01:01:13.780
Making fake

01:01:13.780 --> 01:01:15.020
Debit cards and stuff

01:01:15.020 --> 01:01:15.540
You know the

01:01:15.540 --> 01:01:16.660
Credit card writers

01:01:16.660 --> 01:01:17.100
Are cheap

01:01:17.100 --> 01:01:18.440
You know

01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:19.500
They're out there

01:01:19.500 --> 01:01:20.320
They're nothing new

01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:20.860
Carders

01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:21.840
People who card

01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:22.380
Have been around

01:01:22.380 --> 01:01:23.000
For a long time

01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:23.500
Carders

01:01:23.500 --> 01:01:25.040
The information

01:01:25.040 --> 01:01:25.980
Is out there

01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:26.880
People know how to program

01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:27.880
They know this kind of stuff

01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:28.940
I'm waiting

01:01:28.940 --> 01:01:31.160
I'm just waiting for

01:01:31.160 --> 01:01:32.240
That hasn't happened yet

01:01:32.240 --> 01:01:32.980
Not yet

01:01:32.980 --> 01:01:34.860
I'm just waiting

01:01:34.860 --> 01:01:36.380
It could happen tomorrow

01:01:36.380 --> 01:01:37.480
And it wouldn't surprise me

01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:38.540
It could be a year from now

01:01:38.540 --> 01:01:39.700
But I'm expecting

01:01:39.700 --> 01:01:40.260
Sometime

01:01:40.260 --> 01:01:41.500
You will see a headline

01:01:41.500 --> 01:01:42.780
It's only a matter of time

01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:43.620
You will see a headline

01:01:43.620 --> 01:01:44.780
Sometime soon

01:01:44.780 --> 01:01:47.400
That something happens

01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:48.820
That they're going to find

01:01:48.820 --> 01:01:49.600
A lot of fraud

01:01:49.600 --> 01:01:50.240
They're going to find

01:01:50.240 --> 01:01:50.760
A lot of

01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:51.640
Card reader

01:01:51.640 --> 01:01:53.180
Because if you're ordering

01:01:53.180 --> 01:01:54.080
Stuff online

01:01:54.080 --> 01:01:55.020
It doesn't know

01:01:55.020 --> 01:01:55.840
Whether it's a debit card

01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:56.240
Or not

01:01:56.240 --> 01:01:57.560
If it's a Visa debit card

01:01:57.560 --> 01:01:58.620
From what they call

01:01:58.620 --> 01:01:59.540
A check card

01:01:59.540 --> 01:02:00.160
From your bank

01:02:00.160 --> 01:02:01.260
It's a Visa card

01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:01.280
It's a Visa card

01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:02.280
It's a Visa number

01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:03.320
Some of the sophisticated

01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:04.600
Ones do actually

01:02:04.600 --> 01:02:05.800
Some of the more

01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:06.960
Sophisticated ones do

01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:07.940
Because those first

01:02:07.940 --> 01:02:08.660
Six numbers

01:02:08.660 --> 01:02:09.920
Are

01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:11.340
Well without going

01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:12.020
Into a lot of detail

01:02:12.020 --> 01:02:13.200
Those first numbers

01:02:13.200 --> 01:02:14.220
Usually indicate

01:02:14.220 --> 01:02:15.660
What type of account

01:02:15.660 --> 01:02:16.440
It is

01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:17.760
And you can sometimes

01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:18.720
Tell from the structure

01:02:18.720 --> 01:02:19.600
Of the numbers

01:02:19.600 --> 01:02:21.140
What kind of card it is

01:02:21.140 --> 01:02:21.960
Now whether or not

01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.880
They have software

01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:24.760
Smart enough to check it

01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:25.440
On their end

01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:26.220
Or whether they're

01:02:26.220 --> 01:02:27.300
Running some old software

01:02:27.300 --> 01:02:28.620
Or some custom software

01:02:28.620 --> 01:02:28.980
And stuff

01:02:28.980 --> 01:02:29.960
That's a whole other issue

01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:30.300
But

01:02:30.300 --> 01:02:32.160
All you really need

01:02:32.160 --> 01:02:32.860
Is a number though

01:02:32.860 --> 01:02:34.060
And you can run up

01:02:34.060 --> 01:02:35.360
Somebody's account online

01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:36.400
Very easily

01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:38.340
And that's kind of scary

01:02:38.340 --> 01:02:40.000
Well and there are still

01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:42.680
Again I don't condone

01:02:42.680 --> 01:02:43.820
I'm not condoning

01:02:43.820 --> 01:02:44.320
The use of them

01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:44.940
But there are still

01:02:44.940 --> 01:02:45.480
To the state

01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:47.520
Programs that will generate

01:02:47.520 --> 01:02:49.240
Valid credit card numbers

01:02:49.240 --> 01:02:50.480
You know

01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:51.580
So you don't need

01:02:51.580 --> 01:02:52.820
The card itself physically

01:02:52.820 --> 01:02:54.020
I'm predicting that

01:02:54.020 --> 01:02:55.440
The physical cards

01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:56.260
People are going to start

01:02:56.260 --> 01:02:56.700
Making

01:02:56.700 --> 01:02:58.160
Fake

01:02:58.160 --> 01:02:58.820
Counterfeit

01:02:58.820 --> 01:02:59.640
Debit cards

01:02:59.640 --> 01:03:00.660
That's what I foresee

01:03:00.660 --> 01:03:02.360
So

01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:03.680
But you know

01:03:03.680 --> 01:03:04.900
Any ideas kids

01:03:04.900 --> 01:03:05.500
Yeah

01:03:05.500 --> 01:03:06.040
No we're not

01:03:06.040 --> 01:03:07.040
Again we're not condoning

01:03:07.040 --> 01:03:07.600
We're not saying

01:03:07.600 --> 01:03:09.220
But I wouldn't be surprised

01:03:09.220 --> 01:03:09.900
If that doesn't happen

01:03:09.900 --> 01:03:11.600
I'm actually surprised

01:03:11.600 --> 01:03:11.960
That somewhat

01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:12.940
That hasn't happened yet

01:03:12.940 --> 01:03:13.840
And you know

01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:14.820
It might actually

01:03:14.820 --> 01:03:15.540
End up being

01:03:15.540 --> 01:03:17.600
Those disgruntled employees

01:03:17.600 --> 01:03:18.640
That research

01:03:18.640 --> 01:03:19.780
And do this kind of stuff

01:03:19.780 --> 01:03:20.080
Because

01:03:20.080 --> 01:03:21.600
That's a very good point

01:03:21.600 --> 01:03:22.660
You know when you rip people

01:03:22.660 --> 01:03:23.580
It's just like

01:03:23.580 --> 01:03:25.280
I'm not going to go

01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:26.280
Into an RIA rant

01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:27.000
They have very much

01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:27.660
To lose

01:03:27.660 --> 01:03:28.860
And you still

01:03:28.860 --> 01:03:29.580
Take from them

01:03:29.580 --> 01:03:30.420
Then they kind of

01:03:30.420 --> 01:03:30.960
Get desperate

01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:32.120
Yeah it's like

01:03:32.120 --> 01:03:32.760
The RIA

01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:33.500
I hate

01:03:33.500 --> 01:03:34.620
Harping on it

01:03:34.620 --> 01:03:35.100
I'm not going to go

01:03:35.100 --> 01:03:35.400
Into it

01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:36.640
But you rip consumers

01:03:36.640 --> 01:03:37.360
Off for years

01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:37.760
And years

01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:38.120
And years

01:03:38.120 --> 01:03:39.060
With the price of CDs

01:03:39.060 --> 01:03:40.080
And finally

01:03:40.080 --> 01:03:40.920
The consumer said

01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:41.480
You know what

01:03:41.480 --> 01:03:42.260
Fuck you

01:03:42.260 --> 01:03:43.140
We've had enough

01:03:43.140 --> 01:03:44.300
And they used

01:03:44.300 --> 01:03:45.260
Their technical ability

01:03:45.260 --> 01:03:46.120
And they got back

01:03:46.120 --> 01:03:46.960
And now you have

01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:48.300
MP3s taking off

01:03:48.300 --> 01:03:48.860
Like they did

01:03:48.860 --> 01:03:50.240
Peer to peer file sharing

01:03:50.240 --> 01:03:51.200
People making their own

01:03:51.200 --> 01:03:51.640
They took

01:03:51.640 --> 01:03:52.840
And empowered themselves

01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:53.600
And took it back

01:03:53.600 --> 01:03:54.940
And you're going to

01:03:54.940 --> 01:03:56.100
Rip off your employees

01:03:56.100 --> 01:03:57.300
Which again

01:03:57.300 --> 01:03:57.980
They're sort of

01:03:57.980 --> 01:03:58.760
A consumer in this

01:03:58.760 --> 01:03:59.800
Circumstance

01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:01.320
They are going to

01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:02.100
Become disgruntled

01:04:02.100 --> 01:04:02.740
And they're going to

01:04:02.740 --> 01:04:03.400
Say you know what

01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:04.640
I want my

01:04:04.640 --> 01:04:06.260
$164 back

01:04:06.260 --> 01:04:06.940
I should have

01:04:06.940 --> 01:04:08.580
$164 more

01:04:08.580 --> 01:04:09.140
On my paycheck

01:04:09.140 --> 01:04:09.580
Per year

01:04:09.580 --> 01:04:11.360
And that's just

01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:11.800
Not right

01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:12.600
And you know

01:04:12.600 --> 01:04:14.480
They have every right

01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:15.300
To feel that way

01:04:15.300 --> 01:04:17.780
I completely understand

01:04:17.780 --> 01:04:18.880
I really do

01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:19.660
I really do

01:04:19.660 --> 01:04:20.800
Hopefully like I said

01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:21.900
That will not take off

01:04:21.900 --> 01:04:24.020
But predictions are

01:04:24.020 --> 01:04:24.880
That that's the way

01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:25.560
Things are going

01:04:25.560 --> 01:04:27.360
So I don't know

01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:29.260
And you know what

01:04:29.260 --> 01:04:30.540
We're probably

01:04:30.540 --> 01:04:31.700
Long on time

01:04:31.700 --> 01:04:32.080
But I'm going to

01:04:32.080 --> 01:04:32.700
I'm going to do

01:04:32.700 --> 01:04:33.360
This one last

01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:33.780
I'm going to end

01:04:33.780 --> 01:04:34.340
On a happier

01:04:34.340 --> 01:04:35.140
A funnier note

01:04:35.140 --> 01:04:36.020
Well actually I don't

01:04:36.020 --> 01:04:36.480
Know how funny

01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:37.240
This ends up on

01:04:37.240 --> 01:04:39.040
But a New York

01:04:39.040 --> 01:04:40.260
Man pleaded guilty

01:04:40.260 --> 01:04:41.540
To installing

01:04:41.540 --> 01:04:42.700
Keystroke recording

01:04:42.700 --> 01:04:43.600
Software in terminals

01:04:43.600 --> 01:04:44.460
At over a dozen

01:04:44.460 --> 01:04:45.820
Kinko's stores

01:04:45.820 --> 01:04:47.280
Well gee

01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:47.900
We come first

01:04:47.900 --> 01:04:48.440
Full circle

01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:49.020
We started off

01:04:49.020 --> 01:04:49.500
Talking about

01:04:49.500 --> 01:04:49.900
Kinko's

01:04:49.900 --> 01:04:50.300
Now we're back

01:04:50.300 --> 01:04:51.080
To Kinko's again

01:04:51.080 --> 01:04:54.080
He gained

01:04:54.080 --> 01:04:55.120
Personal information

01:04:55.120 --> 01:04:55.820
From over

01:04:55.820 --> 01:04:57.320
450 users

01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:57.860
And opened

01:04:57.860 --> 01:04:58.600
Bank accounts

01:04:58.600 --> 01:04:59.560
Using the data

01:04:59.560 --> 01:05:00.380
Wow

01:05:00.380 --> 01:05:01.420
Now of course

01:05:01.420 --> 01:05:02.640
The term

01:05:02.640 --> 01:05:03.080
Hacker

01:05:03.080 --> 01:05:03.720
You know

01:05:03.720 --> 01:05:04.460
Actually

01:05:04.460 --> 01:05:05.420
I kind of

01:05:05.420 --> 01:05:05.980
Laughed at this

01:05:05.980 --> 01:05:06.400
I thought it was

01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:07.160
Actually interesting

01:05:07.160 --> 01:05:07.660
It was kind of

01:05:07.660 --> 01:05:08.020
Funny

01:05:08.020 --> 01:05:09.320
Until I got up

01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:09.880
To that whole

01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:10.620
Creating fake

01:05:10.620 --> 01:05:11.220
Bank accounts

01:05:11.220 --> 01:05:11.400
Thing

01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:11.800
That's where

01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:12.180
It lost me

01:05:12.180 --> 01:05:12.760
That's kind of

01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:14.160
Pissed me off

01:05:14.160 --> 01:05:14.800
Across the line

01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:15.240
Obviously

01:05:15.240 --> 01:05:16.840
But up until then

01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:17.180
It's like

01:05:17.180 --> 01:05:17.560
Okay

01:05:17.560 --> 01:05:18.140
You know

01:05:18.140 --> 01:05:19.640
Keystroke recording

01:05:19.640 --> 01:05:20.200
That's been going

01:05:20.200 --> 01:05:20.860
Around for years

01:05:20.860 --> 01:05:21.620
We've done that

01:05:21.620 --> 01:05:22.140
Everybody's

01:05:22.140 --> 01:05:22.820
Well not everybody

01:05:22.820 --> 01:05:24.280
But recording

01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:25.380
Keystrokes is a way

01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:26.540
That you find out

01:05:26.540 --> 01:05:27.400
Passwords and stuff

01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:27.720
Like that

01:05:27.720 --> 01:05:28.340
There's hardware

01:05:28.340 --> 01:05:28.940
Recorders

01:05:28.940 --> 01:05:29.920
Software recorders

01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:31.200
This is nothing new

01:05:31.200 --> 01:05:32.140
It's just kind of

01:05:32.140 --> 01:05:32.680
Funny that somebody

01:05:32.680 --> 01:05:33.420
Got caught at it

01:05:33.420 --> 01:05:33.960
But then again

01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:34.660
What he was doing

01:05:34.660 --> 01:05:35.040
With it

01:05:35.040 --> 01:05:36.020
That's where I

01:05:36.020 --> 01:05:36.580
Didn't like it

01:05:36.580 --> 01:05:37.380
So it's kind of

01:05:37.380 --> 01:05:37.940
A lighter note

01:05:37.940 --> 01:05:38.300
It's kind of

01:05:38.300 --> 01:05:39.000
A funny story

01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:39.840
But there's

01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:40.340
You know

01:05:40.340 --> 01:05:41.180
There's a moral

01:05:41.180 --> 01:05:41.400
Here

01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:41.980
There's a warning

01:05:41.980 --> 01:05:43.260
If you go

01:05:43.260 --> 01:05:44.240
To well

01:05:44.240 --> 01:05:44.800
Not only to

01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:45.160
Kinko's

01:05:45.160 --> 01:05:45.760
But to any

01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:47.100
Public place

01:05:47.100 --> 01:05:47.720
Like you know

01:05:47.720 --> 01:05:48.300
Who the most

01:05:48.300 --> 01:05:48.920
Vulnerable

01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:49.800
Would be like

01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:50.940
Those cyber cafes

01:05:50.940 --> 01:05:52.180
Those internet cafes

01:05:52.180 --> 01:05:53.400
Those would be

01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:54.340
The most vulnerable

01:05:54.340 --> 01:05:54.940
The easiest

01:05:54.940 --> 01:05:55.420
Probably

01:05:55.420 --> 01:05:56.220
You really need

01:05:56.220 --> 01:05:56.680
To be careful

01:05:56.680 --> 01:05:57.920
But any public

01:05:57.920 --> 01:05:58.660
Kiosk

01:05:58.660 --> 01:06:00.420
Any publicly

01:06:00.420 --> 01:06:01.540
Accessible kiosk

01:06:01.540 --> 01:06:02.420
Be careful

01:06:02.420 --> 01:06:03.260
You know

01:06:03.260 --> 01:06:04.080
Don't

01:06:04.080 --> 01:06:05.220
There's no harm

01:06:05.220 --> 01:06:06.000
In turning and looking

01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:06.540
And see if there's

01:06:06.540 --> 01:06:07.360
Any unusual hardware

01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:07.720
See if there's

01:06:07.720 --> 01:06:08.560
A hardware recorder

01:06:08.560 --> 01:06:09.840
If there's a software

01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:10.580
Keystroke recorder

01:06:10.580 --> 01:06:11.080
There's not really

01:06:11.080 --> 01:06:11.900
Too much you can do

01:06:11.900 --> 01:06:12.260
About it

01:06:12.260 --> 01:06:12.700
If it's been

01:06:12.700 --> 01:06:13.500
Planted on there

01:06:13.500 --> 01:06:14.440
You know

01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:15.040
Unless you really

01:06:15.040 --> 01:06:15.520
Look hard

01:06:15.520 --> 01:06:16.040
You might not

01:06:16.040 --> 01:06:17.100
Be able to find that

01:06:17.100 --> 01:06:18.320
But you know

01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:18.880
Never

01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:20.020
You never hack

01:06:20.020 --> 01:06:20.880
From a public place

01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:21.540
You never go out

01:06:21.540 --> 01:06:22.840
And give private

01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:23.400
Information

01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:24.220
Credit card stuff

01:06:24.220 --> 01:06:25.600
From those type

01:06:25.600 --> 01:06:26.220
Of locations

01:06:26.220 --> 01:06:26.740
Anyway

01:06:26.740 --> 01:06:27.360
I always talk

01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:28.280
The rule of thumb

01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:28.600
On that

01:06:28.600 --> 01:06:28.980
Is like

01:06:28.980 --> 01:06:29.300
Don't

01:06:29.300 --> 01:06:29.720
If you're using

01:06:29.720 --> 01:06:30.560
A public computer

01:06:30.560 --> 01:06:31.780
Don't use

01:06:31.780 --> 01:06:32.740
Don't do anything

01:06:32.740 --> 01:06:33.560
That you wouldn't

01:06:33.560 --> 01:06:34.260
Want anyone else

01:06:34.260 --> 01:06:34.620
To know

01:06:34.620 --> 01:06:35.120
Absolutely

01:06:35.120 --> 01:06:35.960
Most hackers

01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:36.480
Know that

01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:36.780
Yeah

01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:37.360
Most hackers

01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:37.680
Know that

01:06:37.680 --> 01:06:38.000
This is

01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:38.380
You know

01:06:38.380 --> 01:06:39.020
This is just

01:06:39.020 --> 01:06:40.100
You know

01:06:40.100 --> 01:06:41.080
Preaching to the choir

01:06:41.080 --> 01:06:42.000
But yeah

01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:42.360
I mean

01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:43.580
To people out there

01:06:43.580 --> 01:06:44.000
Who are listening

01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:44.620
Who are not

01:06:44.620 --> 01:06:45.020
You know

01:06:45.020 --> 01:06:45.620
Hadn't thought this

01:06:45.620 --> 01:06:45.820
Through

01:06:45.820 --> 01:06:46.500
Or who are

01:06:46.500 --> 01:06:47.220
Do not consider

01:06:47.220 --> 01:06:47.980
Themselves hackers

01:06:47.980 --> 01:06:49.040
Yeah

01:06:49.040 --> 01:06:49.900
You gotta think

01:06:49.900 --> 01:06:50.500
These things out

01:06:50.500 --> 01:06:51.320
Don't do something

01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:52.140
That you don't want

01:06:52.140 --> 01:06:52.780
To be caught

01:06:52.780 --> 01:06:53.860
Anything that you do

01:06:53.860 --> 01:06:54.760
You have to have

01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:55.280
The mindset

01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:55.860
That if you're

01:06:55.860 --> 01:06:56.980
In a public place

01:06:56.980 --> 01:06:58.700
Well

01:06:58.700 --> 01:06:59.660
I guess

01:06:59.660 --> 01:07:00.040
There's no other

01:07:00.040 --> 01:07:00.460
Way to say it

01:07:00.460 --> 01:07:00.760
If you're in

01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:01.460
A public place

01:07:01.460 --> 01:07:02.160
You're in

01:07:02.160 --> 01:07:03.120
A public place

01:07:03.120 --> 01:07:03.900
And you have

01:07:03.900 --> 01:07:04.600
To behave

01:07:04.600 --> 01:07:05.380
As such

01:07:05.380 --> 01:07:06.820
Anything that you

01:07:06.820 --> 01:07:07.360
Do in a public

01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:07.560
Place

01:07:07.560 --> 01:07:08.460
You have to assume

01:07:08.460 --> 01:07:09.220
Whether you're not

01:07:09.220 --> 01:07:10.020
Whether you are

01:07:10.020 --> 01:07:10.620
Or are not

01:07:10.620 --> 01:07:11.700
You have to assume

01:07:11.700 --> 01:07:12.260
That A

01:07:12.260 --> 01:07:13.380
You're being watched

01:07:13.380 --> 01:07:14.000
Or recorded

01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:14.760
Whether it's on

01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:15.220
Film

01:07:15.220 --> 01:07:15.860
Cameras

01:07:15.860 --> 01:07:16.720
Something like that

01:07:16.720 --> 01:07:17.120
Security

01:07:17.120 --> 01:07:19.020
And that holds

01:07:19.020 --> 01:07:19.860
True for the

01:07:19.860 --> 01:07:20.420
Internet as well

01:07:20.420 --> 01:07:21.080
You have to assume

01:07:21.080 --> 01:07:21.800
That everything's being

01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:22.240
Logged

01:07:22.240 --> 01:07:22.900
Transactions

01:07:22.900 --> 01:07:23.500
Data

01:07:23.500 --> 01:07:24.020
And everything

01:07:24.020 --> 01:07:24.780
Is being watched

01:07:24.780 --> 01:07:25.620
You know

01:07:25.620 --> 01:07:26.540
It's 1984

01:07:26.540 --> 01:07:28.200
Totally

01:07:28.200 --> 01:07:29.040
It's 2004

01:07:29.040 --> 01:07:29.960
20 years off

01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:30.220
You know

01:07:30.220 --> 01:07:31.280
It's almost 2004

01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:32.100
In a few more months

01:07:32.100 --> 01:07:33.800
And Big Brother

01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:34.620
Is watching

01:07:34.620 --> 01:07:35.840
Little Brother

01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:36.300
Is watching

01:07:36.300 --> 01:07:36.580
I guess

01:07:36.580 --> 01:07:37.080
Is a better term

01:07:37.080 --> 01:07:37.740
The Little Brothers

01:07:37.740 --> 01:07:38.420
Are all watching

01:07:38.420 --> 01:07:40.860
So anyway

01:07:40.860 --> 01:07:41.600
That was kind of

01:07:41.600 --> 01:07:42.280
An interesting

01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:42.980
Little tidbit

01:07:42.980 --> 01:07:43.800
So I'm

01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:45.180
Big across state lines

01:07:45.180 --> 01:07:45.680
Yeah

01:07:45.680 --> 01:07:47.000
You know

01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:47.780
One time

01:07:47.780 --> 01:07:48.920
I read this article

01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:50.180
About this ATM

01:07:50.180 --> 01:07:51.360
And it was spitting

01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:52.260
Money into the street

01:07:52.260 --> 01:07:53.580
That was me

01:07:53.580 --> 01:07:54.500
That was me dude

01:07:54.500 --> 01:07:55.220
That was me

01:07:55.220 --> 01:07:57.140
No okay

01:07:57.140 --> 01:07:57.920
We're going to close

01:07:57.920 --> 01:07:58.880
It up for this episode

01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:00.040
I don't know how much

01:08:00.040 --> 01:08:00.460
We're on time

01:08:00.460 --> 01:08:01.720
We're probably well over

01:08:01.720 --> 01:08:04.100
But I'm going to

01:08:04.100 --> 01:08:04.920
Wrap it up now

01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:06.560
You have any shout outs

01:08:06.560 --> 01:08:07.040
You want to give

01:08:07.040 --> 01:08:07.700
I want to give

01:08:07.700 --> 01:08:08.500
Shouts to everybody

01:08:08.500 --> 01:08:08.980
In DDP

01:08:08.980 --> 01:08:09.980
You guys are awesome

01:08:09.980 --> 01:08:10.940
And thanks for all

01:08:10.940 --> 01:08:11.640
The great feedback

01:08:11.640 --> 01:08:12.420
On BinRev

01:08:12.420 --> 01:08:13.600
And definite big

01:08:13.600 --> 01:08:14.500
Shouts to my friend

01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:14.920
Sony

01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:15.920
You're awesome girl

01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.040
Yep shout out

01:08:18.040 --> 01:08:19.920
And we're going to

01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:20.560
Both smoke up each

01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:20.980
Other's ass

01:08:20.980 --> 01:08:21.520
I have to throw it

01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:22.020
Back to you

01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:22.460
I mean

01:08:22.460 --> 01:08:23.360
You know

01:08:23.360 --> 01:08:24.300
Again I feel like

01:08:24.300 --> 01:08:26.000
I'm pushing a lot

01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:26.560
Of work on you

01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:27.140
Because I know

01:08:27.140 --> 01:08:27.580
It's hard

01:08:27.580 --> 01:08:28.180
And takes time

01:08:28.180 --> 01:08:29.100
So I appreciate that

01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:30.280
I honestly think

01:08:30.280 --> 01:08:30.800
That's the nature

01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:31.280
Of the business

01:08:31.280 --> 01:08:32.260
I'm used to it

01:08:32.260 --> 01:08:33.820
It's not work

01:08:33.820 --> 01:08:34.720
It's not stress

01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:36.020
It's a blast

01:08:36.020 --> 01:08:36.660
Well I don't know

01:08:36.660 --> 01:08:37.540
What we do without you

01:08:37.540 --> 01:08:39.520
I got a shout out

01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:40.240
To Cy Pete again

01:08:40.240 --> 01:08:41.000
I mentioned earlier

01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:41.680
That I had a

01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:43.140
I thought one of the

01:08:43.140 --> 01:08:43.620
Best meetings

01:08:43.620 --> 01:08:44.540
Because we actually

01:08:44.540 --> 01:08:45.440
Walked through

01:08:45.440 --> 01:08:46.240
Doing something

01:08:46.240 --> 01:08:47.200
And it wasn't

01:08:47.200 --> 01:08:48.120
Like a formal

01:08:48.120 --> 01:08:49.480
Fancy presentation

01:08:49.480 --> 01:08:50.260
It was just a

01:08:50.260 --> 01:08:51.660
Hey let's do this

01:08:51.660 --> 01:08:52.140
Kind of thing

01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:53.280
I had a good time

01:08:53.280 --> 01:08:53.760
At the meeting

01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:54.940
We had quite a few people

01:08:54.940 --> 01:08:56.780
Surprising interest

01:08:56.780 --> 01:08:57.380
In the magazine

01:08:57.380 --> 01:08:58.500
Is growing at my meeting

01:08:58.500 --> 01:08:58.900
At first

01:08:58.900 --> 01:08:59.460
It was kind of like

01:08:59.460 --> 01:08:59.980
Oh yeah

01:08:59.980 --> 01:09:01.060
Somebody else

01:09:01.060 --> 01:09:02.120
Trying to start a zine

01:09:02.120 --> 01:09:02.640
Somebody else

01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:03.040
Trying to

01:09:03.040 --> 01:09:04.320
There was more interest

01:09:04.320 --> 01:09:04.820
This time

01:09:04.820 --> 01:09:05.100
And hopefully

01:09:05.100 --> 01:09:06.120
It will continue to grow

01:09:06.120 --> 01:09:07.620
So shout outs

01:09:07.620 --> 01:09:08.440
To all of my

01:09:08.440 --> 01:09:10.100
Broward 2600 meeting

01:09:10.100 --> 01:09:11.620
Oh shout outs

01:09:11.620 --> 01:09:12.540
To Decoder actually

01:09:12.540 --> 01:09:13.440
I had a good talk

01:09:13.440 --> 01:09:14.360
With him on the con

01:09:14.360 --> 01:09:15.420
So thanks a lot

01:09:15.420 --> 01:09:16.420
To Decoder

01:09:16.420 --> 01:09:17.460
For hooking up

01:09:17.460 --> 01:09:18.320
The conference call

01:09:18.320 --> 01:09:19.220
I'm going to try

01:09:19.220 --> 01:09:19.900
To start doing that

01:09:19.900 --> 01:09:21.040
Regularly on the weekends

01:09:21.040 --> 01:09:21.660
When I have free

01:09:21.660 --> 01:09:22.180
Weekend minutes

01:09:22.180 --> 01:09:23.160
On the old cell phone

01:09:23.160 --> 01:09:25.100
So shout outs to him

01:09:25.100 --> 01:09:26.880
Of course

01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:27.400
I always mention

01:09:27.400 --> 01:09:27.900
At the end of the show

01:09:27.900 --> 01:09:28.660
If you have feedback

01:09:28.660 --> 01:09:29.800
Letters at

01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:30.700
Binrev.com

01:09:30.700 --> 01:09:32.120
And you know

01:09:32.120 --> 01:09:32.380
Again

01:09:32.380 --> 01:09:33.300
The gentleman

01:09:33.300 --> 01:09:33.720
Who

01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:34.780
The anonymous

01:09:34.780 --> 01:09:35.380
First early

01:09:35.380 --> 01:09:35.940
Who was interested

01:09:35.940 --> 01:09:36.560
In the Dreamcast

01:09:36.560 --> 01:09:37.400
I really would

01:09:37.400 --> 01:09:38.200
Like you to get back

01:09:38.200 --> 01:09:39.120
And follow up with me

01:09:39.120 --> 01:09:39.640
And tell me

01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:40.200
You know

01:09:40.200 --> 01:09:40.940
What you found out

01:09:40.940 --> 01:09:41.460
And if you were able

01:09:41.460 --> 01:09:42.280
To get this working

01:09:42.280 --> 01:09:43.420
If he has an article

01:09:43.420 --> 01:09:43.440
If he has an article

01:09:43.440 --> 01:09:44.180
I already got some

01:09:44.180 --> 01:09:45.180
Great graphic ideas

01:09:45.180 --> 01:09:45.480
For that

01:09:45.480 --> 01:09:46.060
If you can get that

01:09:46.060 --> 01:09:46.580
Up and running

01:09:46.580 --> 01:09:47.320
Great

01:09:47.320 --> 01:09:48.160
That would be awesome

01:09:48.160 --> 01:09:50.100
So again

01:09:50.100 --> 01:09:51.380
Shout outs to everyone

01:09:51.380 --> 01:09:52.100
That you mentioned

01:09:52.100 --> 01:09:53.040
And do you have

01:09:53.040 --> 01:09:54.080
Any other closing comments

01:09:54.080 --> 01:09:55.380
Oh just thanks for having me

01:09:55.380 --> 01:09:55.820
On the show

01:09:55.820 --> 01:09:56.740
Oh no

01:09:56.740 --> 01:09:57.380
We're going to try

01:09:57.380 --> 01:09:57.860
To get you on

01:09:57.860 --> 01:09:58.420
More often

01:09:58.420 --> 01:10:00.960
And you know

01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:01.680
We talk about

01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:02.860
I know you have

01:10:02.860 --> 01:10:03.600
A lot of Mac

01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:04.260
And there's just

01:10:04.260 --> 01:10:05.560
So many Mac questions

01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:06.300
And not enough time

01:10:06.300 --> 01:10:06.600
To do it

01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:07.120
So we're definitely

01:10:07.120 --> 01:10:08.380
Going to be talking

01:10:08.380 --> 01:10:08.740
About that

01:10:08.740 --> 01:10:09.560
In some future episodes

01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:10.240
So we're definitely

01:10:10.240 --> 01:10:11.140
Going to have you back on

01:10:11.140 --> 01:10:11.880
It's just got to

01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:12.960
Work out the timing

01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:13.360
Of when

01:10:13.360 --> 01:10:14.020
Because you and I

01:10:14.020 --> 01:10:15.040
We you know

01:10:15.040 --> 01:10:16.080
We both work a lot

01:10:16.080 --> 01:10:16.860
In getting those hours

01:10:16.860 --> 01:10:17.420
Settled out

01:10:17.420 --> 01:10:18.540
So we're definitely

01:10:18.540 --> 01:10:19.060
Going to work you

01:10:19.060 --> 01:10:19.680
On the show more

01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:20.580
Oh it's real world stuff

01:10:20.580 --> 01:10:21.320
Really it's boring

01:10:21.320 --> 01:10:22.180
I know

01:10:22.180 --> 01:10:22.800
Doesn't it though

01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:23.960
But for some reason

01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:25.620
It just never goes away

01:10:25.620 --> 01:10:26.180
Yeah

01:10:26.180 --> 01:10:27.560
Alright

01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:28.020
Alright

01:10:28.020 --> 01:10:29.480
And

01:10:29.480 --> 01:10:31.240
Tonight's closing music

01:10:31.240 --> 01:10:32.480
Is Mr. Roy

01:10:32.480 --> 01:10:33.520
Shake your body

01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:33.980
Mommy

01:10:33.980 --> 01:10:35.480
And that'll do it

01:10:35.480 --> 01:10:36.720
So to everybody

01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:37.160
Listening

01:10:37.160 --> 01:10:38.140
You know how we end it

01:10:38.140 --> 01:10:39.400
See you next week

01:10:39.400 --> 01:10:40.280
Same hack time

01:10:40.280 --> 01:10:41.600
Name that channel

01:11:10.280 --> 01:11:39.060
Outro music

01:11:39.060 --> 01:12:09.040
Thank you.

01:12:09.060 --> 01:12:39.040
Thank you.

01:12:39.060 --> 01:13:09.040
Thank you.

01:13:09.060 --> 01:13:39.040
Thank you.