WEBVTT 00:01.000 --> 00:03.680 Get ready to mark the planet. 00:07.400 --> 00:08.680 Get ready. 00:20.960 --> 00:25.000 The Digital Dog Pound presents Binary Revolution Radio. 00:25.540 --> 00:26.680 Now launch the base. 00:30.000 --> 00:41.000 Get ready to mark the planet. 00:49.000 --> 00:50.000 The Planet. 00:52.000 --> 00:53.000 The System. 00:54.000 --> 00:55.000 The Magnus Unite. 00:55.000 --> 00:56.000 The Magnus Unite. 01:04.000 --> 01:05.000 Get ready. 01:06.000 --> 01:07.000 To act the planet. 01:10.000 --> 01:11.000 Act the planet. 01:13.000 --> 01:14.000 Act the system. 01:15.000 --> 01:16.000 Hackers Unite. 01:17.000 --> 01:18.000 Get ready. 01:21.000 --> 01:22.000 The Magnus Unite. 01:24.000 --> 01:25.000 The classification. 01:26.000 --> 01:27.000 Tech Man. 01:27.000 --> 01:31.000 The Apollo 5. 01:31.000 --> 01:41.000 Kniper of insects 01:45.000 --> 01:51.000 take me from theuder 01:51.000 --> 02:00.800 Kids like 02:00.800 --> 02:02.880 Hackers unite 02:02.880 --> 02:08.920 Hackers unite 02:08.920 --> 02:13.780 Wack the planet 02:13.780 --> 02:17.280 Wack the system 02:21.000 --> 02:27.500 Get ready to hack the system 02:27.500 --> 02:31.200 Get ready to hack the planet 02:31.200 --> 02:45.540 Hack the planet 02:45.540 --> 02:48.460 Get ready 02:48.460 --> 02:51.460 Hack the planet 02:51.460 --> 03:04.460 Hack the planet 03:04.460 --> 03:04.960 Hack the planet 03:04.960 --> 03:12.960 Get ready to hack the system 03:12.960 --> 03:16.960 Get ready to hack the planet 03:16.960 --> 03:18.960 Get ready to hack the planet 03:18.960 --> 03:19.960 Go for it 03:19.960 --> 03:31.960 Go for it 03:31.960 --> 03:32.960 Go for it 03:32.960 --> 03:33.960 Go for it 03:33.960 --> 03:35.960 Go for it 03:35.960 --> 03:37.960 Go for it 03:37.960 --> 03:39.960 Go for it 03:39.960 --> 03:40.960 Go for it 03:40.960 --> 03:41.960 Go for it 03:41.960 --> 03:42.960 Go for it 03:42.960 --> 03:43.960 Go for it 03:43.960 --> 03:44.960 Go for it 03:44.960 --> 03:45.960 Go for it 03:45.960 --> 03:46.960 Go for it 03:46.960 --> 03:47.960 Go for it 03:47.960 --> 03:48.960 Go for it 03:48.960 --> 03:49.960 Go for it 03:49.960 --> 03:50.960 Go for it 03:50.960 --> 03:51.960 Go for it 03:51.960 --> 03:54.960 Go for it 03:54.960 --> 03:56.960 Go for it 03:56.960 --> 03:57.960 Go for it 03:57.960 --> 03:58.960 Go for it 03:58.960 --> 04:02.040 This is dedicated to all the hackers and the crackers. 04:03.880 --> 04:06.920 I see in binary, I speak source code. 04:07.220 --> 04:10.800 Step on my toes, I'll post a million game pegs of you in a fag pose. 04:11.040 --> 04:13.420 In your digital stance, getting firewalled ho. 04:13.640 --> 04:16.020 Cause I'm riding the net in my six foe. 04:16.200 --> 04:17.740 I was a dick with my 56. 04:18.260 --> 04:20.740 Now with my cable, I'm able to get that stable. 04:21.040 --> 04:23.020 On the out, my name is Ace and I'm a Leo. 04:23.380 --> 04:26.740 On the digital highway, my name is Neo and I'm a hero. 04:26.740 --> 04:29.460 In a flash, I'll school you on burning dream cats. 04:29.780 --> 04:32.680 You need some ISO? Let me through my hard drive rifle. 04:33.000 --> 04:34.700 Our exchange you could never stifle. 04:34.920 --> 04:37.820 In a digital hug, you just caught the love bug. 04:38.140 --> 04:39.260 I bootlegged your CD. 04:39.700 --> 04:41.840 I caused a fight between Un and Jay-Z. 04:42.180 --> 04:44.080 Your CG, it's all gonna be free. 04:44.180 --> 04:46.400 Whether we take it by force or we take it nicely. 04:46.860 --> 04:48.420 You feel that rattle in your bones? 04:48.640 --> 04:50.580 When I tell you we just hacked out Jones. 04:50.880 --> 04:52.740 And NASDAQ, leave your pride on your back. 04:52.960 --> 04:55.020 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 04:55.020 --> 04:57.860 Cause I am he who loves to hack and crack. 04:58.240 --> 05:00.900 This is dedicated to the hackers and the criminals. 05:01.360 --> 05:05.920 Serial codes, source codes, ISOs, RANS, SIFS, SIFS. 05:06.180 --> 05:08.520 This is dedicated to the hackers and the crack. 05:08.520 --> 05:13.280 The curse of the Chicago Cubs lives on. 05:14.280 --> 05:14.800 2003. 05:16.060 --> 05:17.220 They're out of the World Series. 05:17.480 --> 05:18.760 No, this is not a sports show. 05:18.860 --> 05:22.640 This is actually Binary Revolution Radio episode 16. 05:22.640 --> 05:23.840 I am Stank Dog. 05:23.920 --> 05:27.580 And I am thoroughly upset. 05:28.160 --> 05:28.840 Actually, I'm not. 05:29.200 --> 05:31.100 That was a very good baseball series. 05:31.220 --> 05:33.600 My Cubs took it seven games against the Marlins. 05:34.760 --> 05:36.540 I shouted out to them on the show. 05:36.780 --> 05:38.520 And be the butt of everyone's joke. 05:38.580 --> 05:39.200 Being kind of silly. 05:39.540 --> 05:41.660 But I guess we're done with that now. 05:41.700 --> 05:43.080 I have to have some new shouts tonight. 05:43.860 --> 05:49.140 But my partner in crime tonight is from a city that knows about winning. 05:49.980 --> 05:51.700 That would be New York, New York. 05:52.080 --> 05:53.480 Actually, not from New York, New York. 05:53.620 --> 05:56.420 But in theory, you are in the house and in the state. 05:56.760 --> 05:57.280 I guess you'd... 05:57.280 --> 05:58.320 Nope, not theory in the house. 05:58.380 --> 05:59.240 And I'm here in New York. 05:59.300 --> 06:01.740 And I'm dealing with Yankees fans every day. 06:01.940 --> 06:02.640 Don't you love it? 06:03.460 --> 06:05.060 I can't deal with it anymore. 06:05.900 --> 06:07.160 I just want it to be over with. 06:07.280 --> 06:07.940 But whatever. 06:07.940 --> 06:12.200 And let me just preface this show and say this is not the show you can play for your mother. 06:12.360 --> 06:15.200 Because my week has been fucked up. 06:15.480 --> 06:17.760 And I'm going to curse like crazy if I feel like it. 06:17.860 --> 06:20.020 Well, you know, we do that on the show on occasion. 06:20.480 --> 06:20.680 So... 06:20.680 --> 06:22.300 Just to let everybody know. 06:22.540 --> 06:23.100 Yeah, don't... 06:23.100 --> 06:24.260 At that point, we didn't curse. 06:24.460 --> 06:24.660 Exactly. 06:24.660 --> 06:25.660 And now we're going to curse like crazy. 06:25.780 --> 06:32.560 We need to put like a PG rated R warning logo or something on the show notes. 06:32.760 --> 06:33.540 Yeah, definitely. 06:33.760 --> 06:35.220 Steal a logo from somebody. 06:35.360 --> 06:36.100 Oh, no, I wouldn't do that. 06:36.140 --> 06:37.000 That's copyright violation. 06:37.000 --> 06:37.840 I wouldn't do that. 06:38.360 --> 06:38.680 That's true. 06:38.700 --> 06:39.180 Don't sue me. 06:41.340 --> 06:44.520 Well, we have got a lot of show again this week. 06:45.840 --> 06:49.720 So I think the best course of action... 06:49.720 --> 06:51.940 Actually, I want you to talk about why you're pissed off. 06:51.980 --> 06:53.120 Of course, we will get to that. 06:53.200 --> 06:54.580 But let's start with some other housekeeping. 06:55.180 --> 06:57.880 Got a couple emails that I wanted to talk about. 06:57.880 --> 07:06.420 And the first one actually kind of got me... 07:06.420 --> 07:08.460 I don't know. 07:08.460 --> 07:15.640 It made me listen to someone else's view about what they think of school. 07:15.640 --> 07:23.640 I know a lot of kids sometimes in the forums will say how much they hate going to school, how they get frustrated with it and stuff like that. 07:23.640 --> 07:35.300 But Sub-Zero sent me an email explaining some things and explaining some detail of what annoys him and what gets him feeling kind of upset and angry about high school. 07:35.300 --> 07:38.080 And it kind of made a little bit more sense to me. 07:38.120 --> 07:39.480 I could relate to it a little bit better. 07:39.480 --> 07:46.360 But I wanted to talk about it actually with you on the air so we could kind of see what you think about this. 07:46.860 --> 07:50.280 He sent me a very long article he had written in the past actually. 07:50.840 --> 07:51.760 A well-written article. 07:52.060 --> 07:55.460 And I'm just going to kind of summarize a couple of points here so we can address them. 07:56.220 --> 08:01.900 The long and short of it was that money is the corruption of the education system. 08:02.000 --> 08:03.600 That money kind of screws things up. 08:03.880 --> 08:04.920 That they're underfunded. 08:05.220 --> 08:07.320 That the kids don't get what they need. 08:07.320 --> 08:09.660 That the students don't get what they need and things like that. 08:10.260 --> 08:13.360 And not only school, but money screws things up in general. 08:13.840 --> 08:14.680 In life, you know. 08:14.780 --> 08:19.380 It's not just school, but in life there are the haves and there are the have-nots. 08:19.460 --> 08:24.300 And if you go, if you are the haves and you can go to a private school and stuff like that, that's great. 08:24.460 --> 08:27.580 But the majority of us can't afford that. 08:28.200 --> 08:32.240 So that is absolutely a true statement. 08:32.240 --> 08:40.440 I mean, you can't, you know, if somebody who has money can afford to buy themselves a laptop or a computer or something like that to help with their school work. 08:41.060 --> 08:42.840 They'll have a car that they can drive to school. 08:42.920 --> 08:46.500 Mommy and Daddy buy them a new Porsche or whatever their hot car is nowadays. 08:46.620 --> 08:46.880 What is it? 08:46.900 --> 08:47.700 The Viper now? 08:47.940 --> 08:48.140 Yeah. 08:48.140 --> 08:51.100 And, you know, can drive themselves to and from school. 08:51.260 --> 08:53.940 That saves you an hour of riding the big yellow banana to school. 08:56.400 --> 09:00.980 And the simple fact that I don't know about you, but when I was in high school, I was working my ass off. 09:01.060 --> 09:07.180 I was washing dishes and stocking shelves and all that kind of stuff to pay bills, you know. 09:07.180 --> 09:14.220 So, you know, money means you don't have the luxury of not, you know, you have the luxury of not having to work, which is a huge benefit. 09:14.560 --> 09:22.060 So the thing is, though, that I, and I understand all this and I completely relate to it and it's, they're absolutely valid points. 09:22.880 --> 09:27.980 But this was the case when I was in high school, two decades ago. 09:28.560 --> 09:29.420 Guys, I'm old. 09:30.160 --> 09:32.660 This was the case then and it's still the case now. 09:32.740 --> 09:33.720 Nothing has changed. 09:34.140 --> 09:35.500 I mean, that's not new. 09:35.500 --> 09:39.800 That's nothing that's any different or worse about the school system now. 09:39.900 --> 09:43.520 People say, rant about how bad the school system is for this, this, and this. 09:43.580 --> 09:45.080 Well, we had that back then. 09:46.080 --> 09:47.640 And you get through it. 09:47.700 --> 09:49.160 It's not something that's going to change. 09:49.280 --> 09:51.300 It's not something that's going to change overnight anyway. 09:51.400 --> 09:53.200 It's not something that's going to change from one person. 09:53.860 --> 09:54.800 It is the system. 09:54.880 --> 10:00.860 It has become this bad or in this shape over the course of many, many years. 10:00.860 --> 10:04.240 So you have to realize that it's gotten to this point. 10:04.240 --> 10:16.720 And instead of complaining about it or instead of hating school and cutting school and trying to avoid school and all that kind of stuff and hating every minute of it, just make the best of what it is. 10:16.800 --> 10:22.320 You cannot do anything about it as a single person except live with it and get through it. 10:22.320 --> 10:26.820 And that's really what I've kind of said in the forums once or twice before. 10:27.060 --> 10:30.320 And I know Sub-Zero is not, you know, he understands that. 10:30.460 --> 10:39.460 But I wanted to bring it up on the radio to other people who I know feel kind of angry or upset about school, people I know that drop out of school thinking they don't need it or they don't care. 10:39.460 --> 10:45.940 It is what it is, and you're going to have to get through it one way or the other if you want a high school diploma. 10:46.060 --> 10:48.620 And you do want a high school diploma, do you not? 10:48.840 --> 10:49.160 Definitely. 10:49.340 --> 10:50.660 You definitely want a high school diploma. 10:50.860 --> 10:55.300 And you probably almost definitely want, well, I can't say definitely, but at least for me, I definitely want a degree. 10:55.560 --> 10:59.220 So, you know, I went through my four years and dealt with that. 10:59.220 --> 11:05.000 And even though I have a voucher's degree in computer science, I still think I need a master's degree to get a good job. 11:05.660 --> 11:07.620 So don't think school ends right after high school. 11:07.700 --> 11:09.880 Don't think the high school diploma is the be-all, end-all of it. 11:10.200 --> 11:18.340 No, and actually I think most of the people that I talk to about this don't think that high school is the end-all. 11:18.440 --> 11:23.040 They actually look forward to college, at least somewhat, quite a few of them. 11:23.360 --> 11:24.540 They look forward to college. 11:24.540 --> 11:29.640 And then some of them end up being disappointed at what they find at college, too. 11:29.700 --> 11:32.400 And it's going to be the same situation at college. 11:32.500 --> 11:33.260 I won't lie to you. 11:33.380 --> 11:38.020 Colleges are, there's a lot that is different about college, but there is a lot that is the same. 11:38.440 --> 11:39.920 I worked through college, too. 11:40.280 --> 11:43.260 I spent a lot of time working and very little time studying. 11:43.480 --> 11:44.360 Frankly, I didn't need to. 11:44.400 --> 11:48.780 I'd just show up to class, take the test, get my grade, you know, go on about my day. 11:49.140 --> 11:54.400 But, you know, it's not only that everything is money, but everything is a number in general. 11:54.640 --> 11:56.520 It's something sub-zero pointed out, too. 11:56.580 --> 11:57.760 It's all about the GPA. 11:59.220 --> 12:05.900 He said himself, and I've said on the show many times, that I've met people in the real world that have 4.0 GPAs. 12:05.940 --> 12:13.440 I've gone to class with other students, fellow students that have 4.0 GPAs, and they couldn't find their ass with both hands. 12:13.940 --> 12:16.220 I mean, these people are just dumber than a box of hammers. 12:16.560 --> 12:16.720 Yep. 12:16.720 --> 12:21.620 It does, it just, you know, that just because they have the 4.0 doesn't mean anything. 12:21.860 --> 12:32.940 If they have the luxury of not having to work after school or before school, before college, or they, you know, they have the luxury of time and money that they don't have to stress and worry about bills and things like that, 12:32.940 --> 12:43.300 they can go home and spend six hours studying something to get a 4.0 or six hours doing homework and doing group assignments and perfecting every little bit of it. 12:43.300 --> 12:50.100 Well, I'll come home in 15 minutes and write the same paper, and I'll get my C or whatever and B and move on and pass the class. 12:51.060 --> 12:56.400 I still intake and learn more about it than that person who spent six or eight hours writing the same thing. 12:56.560 --> 13:00.000 Right, because I've seen people who, you know, they have really good grades and whatever. 13:00.720 --> 13:02.060 They have, like you said, they have lots of money. 13:02.160 --> 13:03.840 They have no concerns other than school. 13:03.960 --> 13:10.360 When everything's handed to you like that, I don't think you really appreciate and learn what you learn out of school when you have to struggle a little bit. 13:10.360 --> 13:15.360 And, you know, I know a lot of people, they just kind of read through the books, and they take the test, and then it just leaves their mind. 13:15.440 --> 13:15.720 That's it. 13:15.760 --> 13:16.800 They know, okay, the test is over. 13:16.840 --> 13:17.780 I don't need to know this anymore. 13:18.480 --> 13:21.160 And that's kind of the attitude that you shouldn't have. 13:21.160 --> 13:25.480 But a lot of people who have money, from what I've seen personally, that's the attitude they have. 13:25.640 --> 13:26.700 You know, life is handed to me. 13:27.020 --> 13:29.860 School is just something I have to get through, and that's it. 13:30.440 --> 13:34.100 Yeah, and, you know, I'm not a very good memorized person. 13:34.260 --> 13:38.660 I don't memorize things very well, and I went to class with people who would, you know, 13:38.660 --> 13:41.340 I can remember a specific example in the networking class. 13:42.620 --> 13:44.600 Basic intro to network here on something years ago. 13:44.600 --> 13:52.900 A friend of mine who sat down, you know, the night before the test and memorized the entire chart of every different cable type 13:52.900 --> 14:00.760 and its maximum bandwidth and different, oh, gosh, bit rates on, off, and stuff like that, and memorized it, 14:00.840 --> 14:04.700 go in and take the test, and then 24 hours later had forgotten it all or wiped it out. 14:04.760 --> 14:07.380 He just put it in short-term memory, regurgitated it. 14:07.380 --> 14:12.100 Now, I went in there, and I got an A on the test as well because it kind of came naturally to me, 14:12.240 --> 14:14.640 but I also retained it when it was all said and done. 14:15.560 --> 14:18.160 So, again, some of this is the same as high school. 14:18.420 --> 14:22.860 It's not really much different, but here's the part that I want you to understand it is different about college. 14:25.100 --> 14:33.440 The GPA, you might find this hard to believe, but the GPA is not an end-all and be-all number. 14:33.540 --> 14:35.400 It is not the most important thing in college. 14:35.400 --> 14:37.180 It really is not. 14:38.520 --> 14:44.780 The GPA has minimum requirements for you to stay in school, and that's basically a C average. 14:45.300 --> 14:47.440 And actually, you can get less than that if you work the system. 14:47.560 --> 14:50.320 You get a couple, some grace periods and stuff like that. 14:50.620 --> 14:51.500 Trust me on this one. 14:51.500 --> 15:02.200 When it's all said and done, your goal in going to college is a piece of paper with the word degree on it. 15:02.200 --> 15:08.100 Now, whatever type of degree that is, you know, that's up to you, whatever your choice of study is, 15:08.140 --> 15:14.000 whether you want computer science, computer information systems, business administration, electrical engineering, 15:14.000 --> 15:20.680 or even, you know, I don't know, basket weaving, even if you take a degree in foreign language or history, 15:20.680 --> 15:21.420 it doesn't matter. 15:21.680 --> 15:28.280 When it's all said and done, when you walk out of that college, you have in your hand a bachelor's degree in whatever, 15:28.920 --> 15:31.380 the same as that person who had the 4.0. 15:31.380 --> 15:33.460 He got the same degree that you got. 15:34.660 --> 15:41.680 And when you go to get a job, they don't ask you, almost never have I been asked, what was your GPA? 15:42.380 --> 15:43.080 They don't care. 15:43.180 --> 15:44.340 They want to see that degree. 15:44.860 --> 15:47.600 And if you've got that degree, that gets you the interview. 15:47.880 --> 15:52.720 The interview or the on-the-job training or you show up and they give you a shot at the job, 15:53.020 --> 15:54.480 that's when you prove your worth. 15:54.880 --> 15:58.300 So if you don't have a 4.0, don't stress about it. 15:58.300 --> 16:00.720 And when I started college, I did. 16:00.840 --> 16:02.100 And then I realized, you know what? 16:02.580 --> 16:03.320 This is crazy. 16:03.420 --> 16:04.720 I'm driving myself crazy. 16:04.860 --> 16:05.560 I'm not sleeping. 16:05.780 --> 16:09.340 I'm not getting, you know, I'm working all week hours of the morning and not getting home. 16:09.440 --> 16:11.680 I finally realized it's not worth all that. 16:12.100 --> 16:15.380 When it comes, when all is said and done, I got my degree. 16:15.680 --> 16:16.900 I have a good job. 16:17.760 --> 16:22.400 The people that I went to school with making 4.0s are not doing anything right now. 16:22.900 --> 16:26.160 Some of them probably are, but the majority of them, they're no better off than I am. 16:26.160 --> 16:31.080 If anything, they're worse off because when they left, they didn't take in the knowledge. 16:31.560 --> 16:33.280 And that's the most important thing. 16:33.540 --> 16:35.960 Yes, you may think numbers are important and money is important, 16:36.160 --> 16:40.980 but don't let that distract you from getting the education. 16:41.160 --> 16:42.300 You get what you want. 16:42.960 --> 16:45.060 And what you want is knowledge and education. 16:45.480 --> 16:46.580 Everything else is secondary. 16:46.880 --> 16:47.940 Everything else is irrelevant. 16:47.940 --> 16:54.280 Yep, and the people who get the 4.0s, you know, you say that, you know, maybe they didn't ask you about it on your interviews. 16:54.420 --> 16:58.080 I've had, on my very first job, people ask me about my GPA. 16:58.340 --> 17:03.000 And maybe it does open doors on your first job, but when you go into a job and you've got a 4.0 GPA 17:03.000 --> 17:06.140 and everybody thinks that you're hot shit and then you don't know anything. 17:06.380 --> 17:07.680 And you don't know jack shit. 17:07.900 --> 17:09.820 You don't know anything and then you get fired. 17:09.820 --> 17:14.960 And the person who got, you know, a 3 or whatever GPA they got, they go in there, 17:15.720 --> 17:20.380 maybe they don't get that opportunity to get, like, the, you know, $200,000 a year job right off the bat, 17:20.440 --> 17:23.360 but their employer sees that they know something and they keep them working there. 17:23.700 --> 17:26.360 Whereas these other assholes are just out on the street and it's too bad for them. 17:26.660 --> 17:27.840 I've seen that happen a lot. 17:27.960 --> 17:31.160 And people don't believe it, but once you get out into the workforce, you'll see. 17:31.400 --> 17:32.280 Oh, believe it. 17:33.580 --> 17:34.300 Believe it. 17:34.600 --> 17:39.360 And the other funny thing, it's a phenomenon I've noticed in my generation, actually, 17:39.820 --> 17:44.860 is that a lot of people will do, like you said, they come out of college, they have the degree, 17:45.500 --> 17:50.560 they have, you know, just a good situation coming out, people see the 4.0 or whatever, 17:50.680 --> 17:55.080 if that becomes a factor, they get a high-paying job, they immediately can't perform, 17:55.800 --> 17:57.300 so they're not there very long. 17:57.600 --> 18:01.200 They might get lucky and get a second or third job, another chance somewhere else, 18:01.260 --> 18:02.300 and they never stick. 18:02.720 --> 18:06.980 And the ironic thing is their solution is to go back to school 18:06.980 --> 18:11.640 and then go for, like, a master's or a doctoral degree, thinking that's the solution. 18:11.960 --> 18:15.240 Now, the solution is you should learn what you're in school to learn. 18:15.560 --> 18:18.900 And then they come out of college with a master's degree or a doctor's degree, 18:19.480 --> 18:23.820 and then they can't take lower jobs because they're, quote, beneath them. 18:24.200 --> 18:25.740 Oh, I've got a master's degree. 18:25.860 --> 18:27.000 I can't be, you know. 18:27.520 --> 18:28.380 Well, guess what? 18:28.460 --> 18:30.180 You're still dumber than a box of rocks. 18:30.280 --> 18:31.260 It hasn't changed. 18:32.160 --> 18:35.840 So then you've got a bunch of people out there that have master's degree and doctor's degree 18:35.840 --> 18:40.540 and can't find a job, and I listen to people that I work with all day shaking and trembling 18:40.540 --> 18:43.180 in fear about, oh, the job market's so horrible. 18:43.280 --> 18:46.700 I know somebody, I know this person has a master's degree and they can't find work, 18:46.760 --> 18:48.000 and I know that, well, guess what? 18:48.180 --> 18:50.500 My first question to you is, are they a dumbass? 18:51.000 --> 18:51.360 Mm-hmm. 18:51.480 --> 18:53.360 Because there's plenty of work out there. 18:53.880 --> 18:57.960 You know, there is plenty of work out there for people who are good and know what they're doing. 18:58.060 --> 19:01.380 There will always be a job in this country for you. 19:02.300 --> 19:04.100 Anyway, I don't want to go too far. 19:04.220 --> 19:07.820 That almost bordered on becoming a political thing, and we're going to pull back from that. 19:08.180 --> 19:08.640 Fair enough. 19:08.640 --> 19:15.040 But the message is, yes, while you're in the middle of it, when you're in high school, 19:15.140 --> 19:18.500 when you're in college, you may think that you're getting the short end of the stick. 19:18.500 --> 19:22.140 And frankly, I'll give you a little leeway and say you might be. 19:22.440 --> 19:26.080 The system is corrupt, and it makes it more difficult for you. 19:26.640 --> 19:31.860 But rise to the occasion, rise to the challenge, and you will be a better person because of it. 19:31.880 --> 19:34.880 You will be a better employee, you will be a more knowledgeable human being, 19:35.000 --> 19:39.460 and you will be an asset to the planet Earth, which the majority of people are not. 19:39.800 --> 19:42.260 The majority of people on this Earth are destined to be fertilizer. 19:42.880 --> 19:43.040 Yep. 19:43.040 --> 19:45.860 But anyway, that was a good email. 19:45.980 --> 19:48.480 I'm glad, SubZero, thank you for sending that because, you know, 19:48.500 --> 19:52.100 we hear that from people a lot that are frustrated with the system. 19:52.220 --> 19:53.620 And I'm frustrated with the system. 19:53.780 --> 19:55.320 Lots of different systems frustrate me. 19:55.320 --> 20:00.860 But it's making the best out of what you have and doing what you can and accepting what you cannot. 20:00.860 --> 20:04.720 So, that's the advice portion of the show. 20:04.800 --> 20:05.580 We'll get that over with. 20:06.020 --> 20:12.320 I actually have a pretty good technical email, or at least someone prompted me to do some technical research with an email. 20:12.440 --> 20:13.680 I got an email from Corwin. 20:15.160 --> 20:22.280 And basically, he just sent me an email with some information about Nopix STD, which we're very familiar with here. 20:22.320 --> 20:23.780 We've talked about it on the show before. 20:23.880 --> 20:25.200 We've talked about it on RFA before. 20:25.200 --> 20:31.960 I know Bland is a Nopix whore, and I'm sure he's used Nopix STD as well. 20:32.060 --> 20:34.760 So, it's something we've used and we know about. 20:34.840 --> 20:40.460 However, he included some information, some news about the upcoming version that I had not heard yet. 20:41.580 --> 20:43.560 Currently, it's on 0.1B. 20:44.400 --> 20:46.780 And it has been since I've watched it. 20:46.840 --> 20:47.820 So, it hasn't changed in a while. 20:47.820 --> 20:55.080 But apparently, there is a version 0.1, sans the B, that's going to be coming out soon. 20:55.760 --> 21:09.100 And one of the big changes that sounds promising is that instead of using KDE as the window manager, it's going to start using Fluxbox as the default window manager, I should say. 21:09.160 --> 21:11.660 The default was KDE, and now it's going to be Fluxbox. 21:12.180 --> 21:13.440 So, that is very cool. 21:13.520 --> 21:16.480 I know a lot of people don't like the latest versions of KDE too much. 21:16.840 --> 21:20.540 But really, this is a bootable distro. 21:20.760 --> 21:22.660 I mean, you're not going to spend a lot of time in it. 21:22.700 --> 21:23.920 This is not your regular desktop. 21:23.920 --> 21:25.680 Is it really that big of a deal? 21:25.820 --> 21:32.160 I mean, you know, KDE has its problems, but ideally, you're only going to be using it for limited periods of time. 21:32.360 --> 21:34.780 Is that the most important thing? 21:35.100 --> 21:38.100 You know, is that a big announcement or a big update to the whole thing? 21:38.100 --> 21:48.320 I don't really think so, because honestly, whenever I use Knopfix on the couple machines that it actually works on, because for some weird reason it doesn't work on one of my laptops, but whatever, we'll skip that. 21:48.680 --> 21:54.040 Whenever I use Knopfix, I use it in text mode, because the user interface does nothing but get in the way. 21:54.040 --> 21:58.500 I use it to fix machines, and I don't use it as a real, you know, usable distro all the time. 21:58.660 --> 22:00.640 So, I don't think the window manager makes much of a difference. 22:01.640 --> 22:03.580 At least not in that particular situation. 22:03.900 --> 22:10.000 I think I accidentally hit the button on the phone, so if anybody thinks the phone was tapped on that, I just, if you heard a beep, that was me accidentally hitting the phone. 22:10.000 --> 22:21.160 The thing about this email, the research I said, it spawned me to go out and do some looking about some other distros that I've been meaning to do anyway. 22:21.660 --> 22:29.760 I went out and did some searching to see if there's anything else along the same lines of Knopfix STD, because we actually, some of us have been talking about them. 22:30.120 --> 22:39.840 I wasn't going to really announce this yet, and I'm not announcing anything now, but one of the ideas that we had kicked around, one of the DDP projects that we talked about, 22:40.540 --> 22:54.340 in the members-only forum was possibly doing a DDP Linux distro, and it was going to be, and may, and still if we go through with it, be a security tools distribution, a similar thing. 22:55.220 --> 23:00.940 So, I went out there and did some research to look and see if there are others out there, and there's a lot more than I thought. 23:01.020 --> 23:07.640 A couple of these I had heard of, but a couple of them I had not heard of, so I thought I'd share some of these with the audience, 23:07.640 --> 23:14.820 and if anybody out there has any knowledge about these, by all means, send us an email, letters at binrev.com, let me know what you think of them. 23:15.360 --> 23:22.260 The first one, which I had never heard of before, was called Penguin Sleuth, and it is a bootable Linux, 23:22.580 --> 23:31.560 and the word they used instead of security was forensics, so forensics distribution, so that one struck me as very interesting. 23:31.560 --> 23:35.820 Again, I don't know a whole lot about it, but it seemed very interesting. 23:36.460 --> 23:43.240 There was another one called FIRE, which stands for Forensic and Incident Response Environment. 23:43.480 --> 23:44.680 Say that ten times fast. 23:44.680 --> 23:49.700 Which is, again, the same thing, it mentioned the word forensics along with security. 23:51.580 --> 23:55.600 Another one, the PLAC, P-L-A-C, which I had heard of, that's on SourceForge, actually, 23:56.160 --> 24:03.800 which is a bootable security distro, but it comes on one of the smaller business card CDs. 24:05.240 --> 24:09.300 So, I really don't know, I mean, I guess that's handy to be smaller. 24:09.440 --> 24:11.440 Is there some other advantage to that that I'm missing? 24:12.240 --> 24:14.080 Not that I can think of. You can fit it in your wallet. 24:14.380 --> 24:17.640 Yeah, you could, you'd kind of mess it up if you sat on it wrong, I guess, but... 24:17.640 --> 24:18.140 Yeah, that's true. 24:18.920 --> 24:21.780 Yeah, I guess you could put it in your shirt pocket and maybe carry it around more easily. 24:22.880 --> 24:24.760 Yeah, I guess that's... 24:24.760 --> 24:27.020 But you can't fit as much on it, so there's drawbacks as well. 24:27.080 --> 24:32.920 But yeah, that has, it's obviously a customized, dedicated for certain circumstances, I guess, 24:32.980 --> 24:34.640 so that one could be interesting. 24:34.640 --> 24:40.060 There's also another one called, I assume this is pronounced Trinux, T-R-I-N-U-X. 24:40.060 --> 24:41.760 It might be Trinux, Trinux. 24:42.740 --> 24:47.880 But this is another one that was on Source Forge, and I didn't know this one was actually still alive. 24:47.980 --> 24:53.800 I thought this one might have been abandoned or something, but it seems to be still alive or brought back to life, I should say. 24:53.960 --> 24:59.200 But again, it looks similar to the others, and if anything, it might have been a little behind. 24:59.200 --> 25:04.660 I'm sure there's some people out there that are going to email me and tell me how great it is and that I'm putting it down, but I'm not. 25:04.660 --> 25:08.980 But I don't, I come right out right now and say I have not tried any of them personally. 25:09.840 --> 25:14.760 I will hopefully do this soon when I can find the time, and we all know how difficult that is. 25:15.180 --> 25:21.580 But, and especially if anybody has some experience with any, have you had any experience with any of these? 25:21.580 --> 25:28.500 No, I got a copy of, what is it, Linux BBC bootable business card, but I've never really played this. 25:28.500 --> 25:29.500 But I've never had a need to. 25:29.800 --> 25:31.600 You know, I have Nopix, and that's it. 25:31.800 --> 25:32.780 Yeah, same with me. 25:32.860 --> 25:36.820 I have, you know, if it's a desktop install, I install one of the standard distros. 25:37.000 --> 25:42.540 Right now I have Red Hat 9 on one box, and the other box I'm in the process of redoing, 25:42.580 --> 25:44.960 but I was leaning towards putting Debian, I don't know. 25:44.960 --> 25:50.160 So, and I just use plain old everyday Nopix on other stuff. 25:50.540 --> 25:52.900 So, we'll see. 25:53.160 --> 25:54.980 I'm very open to try some of these. 25:55.040 --> 25:58.920 If anybody wants to write a review or has some experience, like I said, send us an email, 25:59.040 --> 26:00.180 lettersofbinrev.com. 26:00.800 --> 26:04.740 We'll, you know, maybe we'll read it on the air or talk about it, research it, whatever. 26:06.360 --> 26:09.120 And that's pretty much it for the mailbag. 26:09.220 --> 26:12.580 And actually both of these might have been, these were probably before last show. 26:12.580 --> 26:16.700 I did not check the email, so this might be a week old information from the email. 26:16.800 --> 26:19.140 So, I apologize if it took so long to get back to you. 26:19.200 --> 26:20.540 But thank you both for writing in. 26:20.600 --> 26:24.920 And anybody who writes in, I do look at every email that comes in eventually. 26:25.620 --> 26:31.540 So, please let me know if there's anything, any information you'd like me to add to those products. 26:32.720 --> 26:35.700 Now, again, I mentioned the time. 26:36.220 --> 26:41.660 And most of my time, once again for the past week, was updating the website. 26:41.660 --> 26:43.140 Websites, plural. 26:44.280 --> 26:53.820 And this time, since binrev.com is up and stable for the most part, now everything on binrev is cosmetic changes. 26:54.020 --> 26:56.500 But even that, I've gotten pretty close to what I want. 26:56.580 --> 26:59.960 I like to change the colors in the forum, but I'm so slow at that. 27:00.000 --> 27:05.700 I'm so terrible at graphics that I just, I'd rather stick with the more technical stuff, the admin related stuff. 27:05.700 --> 27:09.800 So, I went on and finally moved Stankdawg and canceled that from the other host. 27:10.680 --> 27:14.640 And now that I'm gone from them, I can say what a bunch of fucking hard-ass pricks they were. 27:15.240 --> 27:17.940 And what ignorant asses, they didn't know what the hell they were doing. 27:18.040 --> 27:19.340 I was getting errors in the forums. 27:19.420 --> 27:21.960 You remember all, you used to have the forums down all the time. 27:22.060 --> 27:23.940 All the time, SQL stuff going on. 27:24.040 --> 27:25.460 What was the name of that host, by the way? 27:25.720 --> 27:27.800 That was, they were called Liquid Web. 27:28.240 --> 27:28.800 And they? 27:28.860 --> 27:29.520 Liquid Web. 27:29.520 --> 27:31.840 And they, oh, they suck dog-ass. 27:32.040 --> 27:33.020 They really suck. 27:33.080 --> 27:37.960 Now, we warned you, this is not the episode to play for your grandmother or anything. 27:39.020 --> 27:40.260 But yes, Liquid Web. 27:40.960 --> 27:46.100 I personally was not happy with Liquid Web, and I have a right to state that opinion, so don't sue me. 27:46.800 --> 27:47.360 Fuck you, though. 27:49.800 --> 27:51.780 Boy, we're degrading quickly, but oh well. 27:51.920 --> 27:53.680 It's going to get so much worse in a couple minutes. 27:53.780 --> 27:54.380 Yeah, I know. 27:54.380 --> 27:56.560 So, we might as well lead up to it. 27:56.560 --> 28:01.880 But anyway, StankDawg.com, the last site was, I liked it. 28:01.960 --> 28:05.580 It looked nice and everything, but any time I wanted to add something or make a change, 28:05.660 --> 28:09.180 it was all writing, everything from scratch, from the ground up. 28:09.680 --> 28:12.220 Just took an insane amount of time. 28:12.440 --> 28:13.400 Yes, it was original. 28:13.600 --> 28:14.900 Yes, it looked nicer and everything. 28:15.560 --> 28:16.980 But frankly, I just don't have the time. 28:17.080 --> 28:22.600 I want to start moving on to projects and other things that we're working on. 28:22.600 --> 28:27.500 I still, we barely squeak by publishing the magazine and doing the radio show every week. 28:27.580 --> 28:29.040 There's just not enough hours in the day. 28:29.800 --> 28:31.320 You know, money is not my problem. 28:31.460 --> 28:32.460 I can pay my bills. 28:32.860 --> 28:33.980 Time is my problem. 28:34.400 --> 28:38.120 I don't have enough time to do everything I want, which is make more money. 28:38.200 --> 28:39.000 But forget about that. 28:39.380 --> 28:40.620 It's an inevitable circle. 28:40.880 --> 28:43.020 Personally, I hate maintaining web pages. 28:43.200 --> 28:46.780 And a content management system like this, like Geeklog or something like that, 28:46.820 --> 28:49.520 is definitely something that I need. 28:49.520 --> 28:51.760 I can't deal with doing manual web page updates. 28:51.900 --> 28:52.520 They're just the worst. 28:52.760 --> 28:59.520 Yeah, well, you know, if I was trying to, you know, impress people with my elite web hack-soring skills 28:59.520 --> 29:03.240 or something like that, if I was trying to win a reward or show off or something, 29:03.420 --> 29:05.500 then, you know, I would do that. 29:05.560 --> 29:07.000 I'd do some kind of flash this. 29:07.000 --> 29:11.560 But listen, the reality is I don't have the skill, the artistic skill that goes along with it. 29:12.000 --> 29:15.320 I could write all the greatest code in the world, but it would be ugly as hell. 29:15.320 --> 29:22.280 So instead of spending all that time doing that, and it would take me literally ten times as long 29:22.280 --> 29:26.160 to do the graphics, and they would not look as good after that ten times as long, 29:26.700 --> 29:30.160 you know, I went ahead with Geeklog, which is a content management system. 29:30.660 --> 29:31.480 I used several. 29:31.580 --> 29:34.380 I tried several on StankDawg.com. 29:34.680 --> 29:36.320 I never announced them or made them public. 29:36.440 --> 29:37.540 I was testing them myself. 29:37.540 --> 29:39.960 And I didn't like any of them. 29:40.060 --> 29:41.980 I tried PHP Nuke. 29:42.560 --> 29:47.320 I tried Post Nuke, which is two arms on the same body. 29:47.400 --> 29:48.300 I don't know how to describe it. 29:48.760 --> 29:49.160 Slash. 29:49.920 --> 29:50.320 Several. 29:50.640 --> 29:53.120 Several that I looked through, and I didn't like any of them. 29:53.780 --> 29:59.860 I mean, I guess they could all be customized and tweaked to make them look how you want, 29:59.920 --> 30:03.220 but that defeats the point of a content management system to me. 30:03.920 --> 30:05.100 So I thought they sucked. 30:05.280 --> 30:06.920 PHP Nuke I thought really sucked. 30:06.920 --> 30:11.000 Yeah, PHP Nuke I've used before, and it just, there was always problems with it. 30:11.080 --> 30:16.900 It's always really heavy on database access for no reason at all, and I can't use it. 30:17.160 --> 30:21.380 Yeah, and I've heard, I had been warned and heard that it was very inefficient, 30:21.940 --> 30:28.160 that it did a lot of not intelligent, not smart database access and stuff like that. 30:29.200 --> 30:32.620 And frankly, that was not my concern. 30:32.700 --> 30:36.280 I was warned about it, but since I'm on my own host now, I am my own host now, 30:36.280 --> 30:39.080 I'm on my own box and everything, I didn't care. 30:39.200 --> 30:40.360 So it put a load on the box. 30:40.440 --> 30:42.440 There's only a couple things on the box right now anyway. 30:43.060 --> 30:46.520 So I had the bandwidth, and I had the CPU to spare to do that. 30:46.520 --> 30:47.920 So that wasn't my number one concern. 30:48.120 --> 30:58.440 What more pissed me off was just how over-engineered, yet at the same time, incredibly unorganized it was. 30:58.460 --> 31:01.780 It was so messy, and there was just no documentation. 31:01.780 --> 31:09.800 It just, it would have taken me as much time to use PHP Nuke as a content management system 31:09.800 --> 31:15.620 as it would have been for me to go back and write the thing from scratch, from the ground up, all over again, 31:15.660 --> 31:17.420 which is what I was trying to avoid in the first place. 31:17.640 --> 31:20.680 If I'm going to spend that much time in it, that takes away from the purpose. 31:20.680 --> 31:23.480 So I'm giving Geeklog my thumbs up. 31:23.580 --> 31:25.060 I'm giving that my seal of approval. 31:26.760 --> 31:33.000 I still, and I'm not going to, I mean, if you guys, the site's not going to be the most beautiful thing in the world. 31:33.080 --> 31:35.600 There are skins that you can do, and I've played with some of those. 31:35.740 --> 31:37.480 I've tweaked it and customized it a little bit. 31:37.760 --> 31:42.220 But for the most part, I'm not going to really stray too far from how it ships. 31:43.560 --> 31:45.960 Functionality-wise, I'm giving it big thumbs up. 31:45.960 --> 31:52.300 And if anybody wants a quick, easy tool for their website, I highly recommend it. 31:52.520 --> 31:55.660 I would definitely say to try that first. 31:55.940 --> 31:57.840 I mean, try, again, form your own opinion. 31:57.940 --> 31:58.740 You can try any of them. 31:58.820 --> 32:01.420 But my recommendation, I was very impressed with Geeklog, 32:01.480 --> 32:05.460 and I looked at about six, seven, eight different packages, and that was the best. 32:05.520 --> 32:07.600 Now, PHP Nuke, I will give it this. 32:07.620 --> 32:09.280 It is the biggest community. 32:09.440 --> 32:10.820 It's the most widely used. 32:11.140 --> 32:13.700 There's a lot of secondary support. 32:13.700 --> 32:14.480 I don't know if that's a term. 32:14.740 --> 32:15.440 Aftermarket support. 32:15.960 --> 32:17.520 I don't want aftermarket support. 32:17.660 --> 32:19.020 I want a manual. 32:19.760 --> 32:20.500 I want a site. 32:20.640 --> 32:22.440 I want something that I can go and say, 32:22.560 --> 32:23.540 okay, I'm getting this error. 32:23.980 --> 32:25.980 Tell me why it's doing this and how to fix it. 32:26.500 --> 32:28.260 You know, common stuff like that. 32:28.360 --> 32:29.960 And I just couldn't find it with this. 32:30.400 --> 32:31.400 I just couldn't find it. 32:31.420 --> 32:34.060 They probably can't manage their own content management system, 32:34.160 --> 32:34.960 but I won't go there. 32:35.500 --> 32:37.500 But I guess I did just go there, so fuck it too. 32:37.520 --> 32:38.080 I don't know. 32:38.300 --> 32:40.940 My recommendation, I haven't used Geeklog personally. 32:41.140 --> 32:42.100 I've seen it before. 32:42.240 --> 32:42.920 And you know what? 32:42.960 --> 32:44.280 You say it's not the prettiest thing in the world. 32:44.440 --> 32:45.300 It looks fine to me. 32:45.300 --> 32:47.220 I'm not really concerned about the presentation. 32:47.220 --> 32:50.560 But what I'm using right now on my site, 32:50.700 --> 32:52.720 which I haven't maintained in so long, 32:52.820 --> 32:55.780 is Zope and an add-on for Zope called Plone. 32:56.280 --> 32:58.700 And personally, I think those are the best for me. 32:58.780 --> 32:59.720 It's its own web server. 32:59.880 --> 33:03.380 It's got all types of revision control system. 33:03.460 --> 33:04.960 If you update a page and then you realize, 33:05.100 --> 33:06.740 oh, I want to change it back to what it was, 33:06.780 --> 33:08.980 you can just go back and undo your changes. 33:09.320 --> 33:10.520 It's pretty nice. 33:10.520 --> 33:12.360 You can back up your whole website with one click. 33:13.080 --> 33:15.740 It's pretty brain dead if you want to do some really simple stuff. 33:15.860 --> 33:18.320 And if you want to get really into it, you can add, you know, 33:18.360 --> 33:20.580 you can make your own Python or Perl modules for it, 33:21.220 --> 33:22.380 do some really fancy stuff. 33:22.380 --> 33:26.320 Well, now we should warn or at least preface this for the listeners, 33:26.480 --> 33:31.160 that that is a whole stand-alone package, server and everything together. 33:31.460 --> 33:31.860 Oh, yeah. 33:31.920 --> 33:34.200 And the things that I'm talking about run under Apache. 33:34.720 --> 33:35.000 Yeah. 33:35.120 --> 33:37.240 You can get it to run under Apache somehow, 33:37.460 --> 33:41.400 but honestly it takes a little bit of work to get it installed and up and running. 33:41.500 --> 33:45.460 But then once you've got it running, it's pretty smooth from there on out. 33:45.460 --> 33:50.400 Well, so the moral of the story, try some things out, 33:50.640 --> 33:53.620 check to see what you like and how much time you want to spend. 33:54.220 --> 33:58.560 And for me, Geeklog was the best ratio of spending the right amount of time 33:58.560 --> 34:01.940 and give me the right amount of results and what I need. 34:02.620 --> 34:04.980 And, you know, PHP Nuke had a lot more features, 34:05.160 --> 34:06.260 if you could ever figure them out. 34:06.320 --> 34:07.460 It had built-in forums. 34:07.860 --> 34:09.300 It had built-in gallery support. 34:09.400 --> 34:10.900 Well, I don't need that. 34:11.420 --> 34:14.040 So, you know, it's the right tool for the job also played a factor. 34:14.040 --> 34:17.000 But regardless, I wasn't going to use PHP Nuke because they suck. 34:17.900 --> 34:21.800 Anyway, well, and, you know, I actually had some fun. 34:21.880 --> 34:26.000 I did a little bit of hacking, I guess you'd call it, with Geeklog. 34:26.140 --> 34:29.060 Well, actually, with all of these content management systems, 34:29.180 --> 34:32.040 another bonus, another thing about them is being open source. 34:33.020 --> 34:34.960 Everything I looked at, of course, is open source. 34:35.140 --> 34:37.340 I'm not looking at any commercial packages or anything. 34:37.480 --> 34:37.880 Screw that. 34:38.200 --> 34:39.600 These are all good open source. 34:39.660 --> 34:40.320 Don't get me wrong. 34:41.080 --> 34:43.020 But most of them are written very modular. 34:43.020 --> 34:49.320 You can get modules or add-ons that you could plug in. 34:49.380 --> 34:53.400 I hate using that term, but there's code that you can integrate 34:53.400 --> 34:56.840 into the canned package to add different modules. 34:57.860 --> 35:03.320 For example, I added on a module for, oh, gosh, what did I add on? 35:03.360 --> 35:05.280 The weather module, which is what I was going to say. 35:05.340 --> 35:06.380 That's what I was hacking today. 35:06.800 --> 35:09.760 There's a module that you can plug in that will show the weather in your local area. 35:09.760 --> 35:16.960 So you can create an account on StankDawg.com and customize what skin you want to use. 35:17.060 --> 35:21.700 Even though I've set a default skin, I also installed six or seven of them just to have some, you know, 35:21.740 --> 35:24.320 people can choose what they like and have a little bit of difference. 35:24.720 --> 35:27.980 But I also added modules, and you can customize it and say, 35:28.200 --> 35:30.440 always show me the weather for my area. 35:30.440 --> 35:37.460 My goal is to use StankDawg.com as my default homepage, and I want to be able to look at what the weather is. 35:37.540 --> 35:39.620 I want to be able to see, like, some silly news headlines. 35:39.780 --> 35:44.760 I want to be able to see my personal stories, you know, and find files that I'm looking for easily, 35:45.320 --> 35:47.320 you know, which is kind of the goal of what I want for that page. 35:47.380 --> 35:51.600 Now all the binary revolution stuff is separated, so this is more of a me thing. 35:51.600 --> 35:56.980 So I'm adding some modules there that I think are handy for me and I think would be handy for others. 35:58.740 --> 36:03.000 Unfortunately, one of the modules, well, one of the modules is, like I said, 36:03.040 --> 36:06.020 it's a weather module that will show you the weather in your local area. 36:06.840 --> 36:12.580 Well, this thing has, I think it was 5,000 and some weather locations, 36:12.700 --> 36:14.820 official locations from the National Weather Service. 36:14.820 --> 36:18.600 Unfortunately, my area was not one of them. 36:19.260 --> 36:23.300 I don't know how in the world you can have 5,000 and miss me down here, 36:23.420 --> 36:28.780 but, and I'm near a very large city, and that wasn't on the list, which shocked me. 36:29.280 --> 36:32.740 So what I did was, I knew this was accessing the National Weather Service, 36:33.580 --> 36:37.800 so I went to that site, looked at how their system worked, 36:37.800 --> 36:45.320 did some searches for my area, and found the raw data, 36:45.500 --> 36:48.760 and found the codes that the National Weather Service used. 36:49.200 --> 36:52.060 I then, in turn, went into the weather module. 36:52.520 --> 36:56.280 I had to modify the database, I had to modify some code to make it happen, 36:56.780 --> 37:02.160 but you have to understand databases, you have to learn databases, 37:02.800 --> 37:04.820 and take advantage of databases. 37:04.820 --> 37:09.040 And I inserted the area that I wanted on there, 37:09.260 --> 37:13.660 tweaked it in the database to have certain qualities that I wanted, 37:13.760 --> 37:15.160 certain values in certain fields, 37:15.740 --> 37:19.280 and changed it, and then changed the code accordingly 37:19.280 --> 37:22.380 so that I now added my area to the database. 37:22.460 --> 37:26.260 Such a small little thing, but, damn it, I wanted it on there, 37:26.320 --> 37:27.160 and that's what hackers do. 37:27.240 --> 37:29.900 We want something, we do it, we find a way to do it. 37:29.900 --> 37:34.620 And, I've got to admit, I actually, the more that I use PHP, 37:34.980 --> 37:36.460 the more I'm starting to like it. 37:36.480 --> 37:38.620 I'm becoming more comfortable with it, more familiar with it. 37:39.600 --> 37:42.120 You know, people ask me about it, what is it, what's it like? 37:43.260 --> 37:47.400 Correct me, this may be way off, so correct me if you disagree with this, 37:47.480 --> 37:49.160 but I'm going to go out on a limb here. 37:49.660 --> 37:53.560 I think of PHP as SQL for the web. 37:54.480 --> 37:55.520 That's the way I think of it. 37:55.580 --> 37:57.040 SQL is not dead. 37:57.160 --> 37:59.860 SQL is still a powerful tool. 38:00.060 --> 38:03.420 Every database in the world uses SQL in some way, shape, or form. 38:04.000 --> 38:07.880 And PHP is a way of, it's not embedded SQL, 38:08.160 --> 38:12.400 but it's a similar language that you can access databases, 38:12.580 --> 38:14.260 but through the web, with a web interface. 38:14.260 --> 38:17.580 It also has a lot more functionality than most SQL. 38:17.580 --> 38:23.680 Yeah, when I think of PHP, I think more of like a cross between C and Perl. 38:24.100 --> 38:27.160 With, you know, obviously with all the database extensions and stuff like that, 38:27.580 --> 38:32.520 PHP has dozens and dozens and dozens of modules that you can add on. 38:32.580 --> 38:35.040 You can generate PDFs and images on the fly and everything. 38:35.280 --> 38:38.560 So, I think of it more than SQL. 38:38.860 --> 38:42.080 Yeah, a combination of SQL and C, I would say. 38:42.660 --> 38:44.280 Or, yeah, because it is modular. 38:44.280 --> 38:47.320 You can write and add on routines very easily. 38:48.360 --> 38:52.120 So, anyway, I'm happy with it. 38:52.200 --> 38:53.240 I'm getting more comfortable with it. 38:53.480 --> 38:55.400 And apparently so are a lot of other people. 38:56.220 --> 38:59.980 Really, the growth of PHP in the last, geez, even the last six months, 39:00.060 --> 39:04.520 but the last year, you know, it's like every day I hear more and more about it. 39:04.860 --> 39:06.920 And now, it's not only MySQL. 39:07.700 --> 39:09.380 It's also that post-GRE. 39:09.920 --> 39:12.600 And I haven't had time to kind of analyze and see the differences 39:12.600 --> 39:14.700 and some of the advantages of one over the other. 39:14.800 --> 39:18.300 For the post-GRE, from what I can see at first glance, 39:18.360 --> 39:20.020 is on a much larger scale. 39:20.140 --> 39:23.540 It's for bigger databases and more powerful features. 39:23.780 --> 39:27.460 But if anybody knows the difference there and wants to correct me 39:27.460 --> 39:28.820 or wants to elaborate, feel free. 39:29.420 --> 39:32.140 Yeah, I've got a little bit of experience with Postgres. 39:32.260 --> 39:34.600 I don't know if people have seen my little mapping database 39:34.600 --> 39:35.640 that I've been playing around with. 39:35.640 --> 39:40.440 But I initially tried to do it on MySQL, and MySQL just died on it. 39:40.600 --> 39:43.780 And I put it into Postgres, and it works pretty decent. 39:43.900 --> 39:47.720 I use Postgres and PHP and some Perl scripts to tie it all together. 39:48.120 --> 39:51.500 And that database is like 36 gigabytes, 39:51.840 --> 39:55.440 and it still hums along pretty nicely on my 1.4 gigahertz machine. 39:55.640 --> 39:58.980 All right, and that's what I had read, was that it was mostly a file size issue. 39:58.980 --> 40:06.320 Yeah, it handles really huge databases better than MySQL from my experience. 40:06.640 --> 40:11.320 Well, and that's a good segue into, I mean, that's pretty much what I've been doing 40:11.320 --> 40:13.760 is all this web administration and stuff like that. 40:14.300 --> 40:16.120 And yes, I'm doing some database work, 40:16.340 --> 40:20.460 but you are doing a very big database project. 40:21.200 --> 40:23.260 Yeah, you could say that. 40:23.340 --> 40:26.100 And the people at DSLReports.com could probably say that too. 40:26.360 --> 40:28.240 Yeah, they're not too happy with you right now. 40:28.240 --> 40:29.860 Yeah, they don't really like me too much. 40:30.160 --> 40:36.440 What happened was, I think it was Coder365 asked about locations of central offices 40:36.440 --> 40:37.880 and where you could find that information. 40:38.660 --> 40:41.800 And I was thinking about it, and then I realized, 40:41.900 --> 40:43.700 okay, DSLReports has all the information. 40:43.860 --> 40:44.640 That's pretty cool. 40:45.160 --> 40:46.940 So I could go there and look up, okay, you know, 40:46.980 --> 40:49.260 my central office is on, like, one main street, whatever. 40:49.420 --> 40:49.900 That's great. 40:50.820 --> 40:55.260 But then I thought about it, and I thought back to the NPA database, 40:55.700 --> 40:57.620 NPA NXX database that I had built. 40:58.240 --> 41:00.500 For my phone application, I thought, you know, 41:00.620 --> 41:03.840 maybe it'd be cool to put the address of all the central offices in there. 41:04.360 --> 41:10.200 So I wrote a couple of commands that used WGET and would go to DSLReports 41:10.200 --> 41:14.320 and download all of their information pages about all of the switches that I had. 41:14.320 --> 41:19.020 So I could get the, you know, all the features that they had, the address, 41:19.160 --> 41:21.840 and the zip code from the GPS coordinates that they list. 41:22.180 --> 41:22.540 Right. 41:23.040 --> 41:23.400 Okay. 41:24.200 --> 41:26.540 So there's probably quite a few of those, right? 41:27.140 --> 41:32.600 Yeah, there's, as a matter of fact, as you were talking before, I hit 17,000. 41:33.320 --> 41:36.580 But I'm not quite sure how long it's, how far it's going to go. 41:36.680 --> 41:39.420 Right, yeah, right now it's about 17,200. 41:39.700 --> 41:41.700 All right, so that should only take a few minutes to get, right? 41:41.800 --> 41:42.760 Oh, yeah, no problem. 41:42.780 --> 41:43.200 No problem. 41:43.200 --> 41:44.820 But you were doing it like I was first doing it. 41:44.880 --> 41:47.060 I was doing it with no delay in between requests. 41:47.780 --> 41:51.040 And then I realized, you know, something that's probably really, really stupid 41:51.040 --> 41:52.160 because eventually they're going to notice. 41:52.860 --> 41:55.000 So I put a two-second delay between each one. 41:56.000 --> 41:59.200 And then I noticed about two hours later I went back and checked on it 41:59.200 --> 42:01.640 and it started saying 503, service unavailable. 42:02.560 --> 42:06.320 So I went back to the web page with my web browser and saw, okay, it's still up and running. 42:06.320 --> 42:09.520 So, you know, maybe my script is just broken 42:09.520 --> 42:11.800 or maybe it's just requesting web pages that don't really exist. 42:13.260 --> 42:15.780 So I went in and just to double check, 42:15.780 --> 42:17.240 I changed the user agent string, 42:17.360 --> 42:19.960 which is the string that identifies your web browser to the web server. 42:20.760 --> 42:24.480 I changed that from the normal wget one to Bob Dole. 42:24.900 --> 42:27.280 And sure enough, the first request went through no problem. 42:27.960 --> 42:32.840 So apparently they don't let you grab any pages off of DSLreports.com. 42:32.840 --> 42:35.640 Maybe it's only for my IP and whatever, 42:35.860 --> 42:41.320 but anything I try to get with wget without changing the user agent string now doesn't work. 42:41.540 --> 42:43.200 So apparently somebody noticed something. 42:43.200 --> 42:48.140 So now I've changed the delay to five seconds and I've changed my user agent string 42:48.140 --> 42:49.340 and it's been humming along. 42:49.520 --> 42:53.660 You know, I've downloaded, like I said, 17,000 plus CEOs. 42:54.060 --> 42:55.180 It's been going pretty good. 42:55.180 --> 43:01.460 Yeah, and you know, this somewhat, we're not going to rehash last show, 43:01.620 --> 43:08.420 but on the last episode we talked about the possibility of copywriting databases of public information 43:08.420 --> 43:12.060 and a list of COs and stuff like that, a list of that. 43:12.820 --> 43:14.620 Technically that is public information. 43:15.380 --> 43:18.000 There's nothing secret or private or anything about that. 43:18.840 --> 43:22.400 DSL Reports, yeah, they put in the work to have it all in one central place 43:22.400 --> 43:28.240 and you are using that, but there's not really an issue of copyright or anything like that 43:28.240 --> 43:30.260 because it is publicly available information. 43:30.920 --> 43:32.580 So that's not really an issue. 43:33.520 --> 43:37.940 I think just the fact that you were doing it every second or every two seconds there for a while. 43:38.080 --> 43:40.080 Yeah, I think it's kind of abuse of their resources. 43:40.080 --> 43:41.280 Which is, you know, fair enough. 43:41.380 --> 43:42.040 It's their machines. 43:42.140 --> 43:43.760 They can pretty much say what I can do with it. 43:44.720 --> 43:47.120 And I would wager they've seen Bob Dole visiting. 43:47.680 --> 43:48.840 Yeah, I would say that they do. 43:48.840 --> 43:51.660 And they probably, since you've also changed the delay to a little bit longer, 43:51.800 --> 43:53.240 maybe they're okay with it now. 43:53.520 --> 43:53.780 Yeah. 43:53.920 --> 43:57.440 You know, that was just a message to say, hey, you're killing our system, man. 43:57.580 --> 43:57.840 Right. 43:59.220 --> 44:02.480 Honestly, you know, I'm willing to hit their system a little bit slower 44:02.480 --> 44:04.040 and, you know, give them a bit of a break. 44:04.180 --> 44:06.920 But I want this information, and the only way that I can get it 44:06.920 --> 44:09.420 is to pay somebody hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. 44:09.760 --> 44:13.560 For public information that should be free and available to the public. 44:13.640 --> 44:14.600 It's public information. 44:14.900 --> 44:15.260 Exactly. 44:15.460 --> 44:18.420 And the reason why nobody will provide it is because Verizon or, you know, 44:18.460 --> 44:22.000 whatever company will say, oh, it's too expensive for us to put it online for everybody 44:22.000 --> 44:24.560 because people will download it and abuse it and whatever. 44:24.560 --> 44:27.940 You know, maybe that will happen with some people, like idiots like me. 44:28.140 --> 44:30.540 Yeah, I'll download it and abuse it because I'm just a dirtbag. 44:31.080 --> 44:34.260 But I think that they've already got the information. 44:34.540 --> 44:36.400 They can put it up in whatever format they have. 44:36.480 --> 44:38.900 They don't have to cater to anybody and, you know, put it in Format X 44:38.900 --> 44:43.700 or Format, you know, Microsoft MySQL, Microsoft SQL Server format. 44:44.120 --> 44:45.240 They don't have to do anything for anybody. 44:45.340 --> 44:48.900 Just give us the data, and we'll put it in our own format ourselves, you know. 44:49.180 --> 44:51.700 So it's pretty much no effort for them, but they don't want to do it. 44:51.700 --> 44:54.860 They want to sell it to somebody else so somebody else can sell it to you. 44:55.520 --> 44:56.540 I think that sucks. 44:56.540 --> 45:01.780 Well, and, you know, there's actually a line in our opening theme song that says, 45:02.800 --> 45:06.940 and to paraphrase, listen, we're going to take it. 45:07.380 --> 45:10.160 We're going to take it nicely or are we going to take it by force? 45:10.500 --> 45:10.720 Yep. 45:10.840 --> 45:12.240 You know, we're going to get it. 45:12.660 --> 45:16.180 If there's information out there that's public and should be public and free, 45:16.500 --> 45:18.240 oh, we're damn well going to get it. 45:18.560 --> 45:20.460 Yep, I'm going to get it, and I'm going to give it to everybody. 45:20.740 --> 45:21.100 Exactly. 45:21.560 --> 45:22.340 That's what we do. 45:24.520 --> 45:26.060 Information longs to be free. 45:27.380 --> 45:29.540 But, you know, you're not the dirtbag. 45:29.780 --> 45:33.640 Actually, the dirtbag of this episode, and I don't know about a fucknut. 45:33.720 --> 45:35.240 Should I give him the fucknut of the month award? 45:35.660 --> 45:41.700 Is the person who is now in possession of a piece of equipment that you hold dearly. 45:42.700 --> 45:43.900 I'm going to go insane. 45:44.040 --> 45:46.780 All right, this is why there was a disclaimer at the beginning of the show. 45:47.160 --> 45:47.560 All right. 45:47.840 --> 45:49.060 My week has sucked. 45:49.060 --> 45:54.640 I've been working like crazy, killing myself, and that was bad enough. 45:54.780 --> 45:58.960 Then driving to work, I crash into a deer that just jumped out in the middle of traffic. 45:59.340 --> 46:02.140 So my car is all fucked up, and now I have to spend tons of money to fix it. 46:02.240 --> 46:05.280 And to top all that off, I misplace my cell phone somewhere. 46:05.480 --> 46:06.960 So what does somebody do? 46:07.080 --> 46:09.460 Somebody picks it up and starts calling one of my friends 46:09.460 --> 46:12.360 and leaving them harassing messages and all types of stuff. 46:12.700 --> 46:14.560 I am pissed off at this bastard. 46:14.720 --> 46:16.680 If I find him, I just want to kill him. 46:16.680 --> 46:19.660 So what am I going to do? 46:19.820 --> 46:20.780 I have no idea. 46:20.940 --> 46:21.960 I can't get through to Sprint. 46:22.180 --> 46:27.020 Sprint apparently is closed, although you would think a cell phone company would have 24-hour customer support. 46:27.020 --> 46:32.420 Honestly, I thought Sprint was a great company because they always hooked me up with everything. 46:33.100 --> 46:34.460 Now I want to kill them. 46:34.460 --> 46:41.440 And the only thing that I can think to do is to just message bomb my own phone so he can't use it. 46:41.720 --> 46:48.760 Send it emails over and over and over again so every second he's getting another email that stops him from dialing somewhere else. 46:48.820 --> 46:51.660 Or if he's on the phone, we'll interrupt him. 46:51.780 --> 46:55.680 But I have a feeling that this person is using my phone, calling all over the place, 46:55.680 --> 46:59.900 and I don't think anybody's going to help me out to find this person. 47:00.140 --> 47:02.180 Not until business hours tomorrow. 47:02.460 --> 47:03.900 Yeah, not until business hours tomorrow. 47:04.020 --> 47:04.640 And that's the thing. 47:04.720 --> 47:10.900 It's not like this person is just being a nice guy and whatever, you know, taking my phone and giving me a call to give it back. 47:10.980 --> 47:11.880 He's calling up people. 47:12.000 --> 47:12.820 He's harassing them. 47:12.940 --> 47:15.640 He's gone through my voicemail and erased all my voicemail messages. 47:15.880 --> 47:16.800 That's so not cool. 47:16.800 --> 47:17.780 Which were fairly important. 47:18.080 --> 47:20.540 So I think something should be able to be done to this person. 47:20.680 --> 47:22.260 My phone has a GPS unit in it. 47:22.880 --> 47:27.560 Sprint can find this person in two seconds, but I guarantee you that they will not do anything. 47:27.780 --> 47:30.220 Even if I call the police, they won't do anything about it. 47:30.360 --> 47:31.700 Not unless they have a court order. 47:31.960 --> 47:32.180 Yep. 47:32.840 --> 47:33.740 I'm sure you're probably right. 47:33.740 --> 47:35.880 Well, turn off your phone and you can buy a new one and that's it. 47:36.500 --> 47:40.200 So that's fucked up my week and I'm just so angry. 47:40.200 --> 47:46.080 And then these people, every time the Yankees win a game, they come around honking their horn just adding fuel to the fire. 47:46.080 --> 47:46.880 God damn it. 47:47.200 --> 47:50.400 You're trying to calm and mellow out and relax and go to sleep. 47:50.740 --> 47:53.460 I'm just chilling out and then all of a sudden the fucking Yankees have to win. 47:53.660 --> 47:55.620 Woo-hoo, Yankees! 47:56.320 --> 47:57.860 And they're, oh God. 47:58.380 --> 47:58.700 All right. 47:59.020 --> 47:59.840 I'm going to go insane. 47:59.940 --> 48:01.380 I'm just going to start cursing like crazy. 48:01.480 --> 48:02.720 It's about 15 minutes straight. 48:04.360 --> 48:05.660 But what else can I say? 48:06.000 --> 48:08.380 I did actually learn one thing from this experience. 48:08.520 --> 48:09.220 And what is that? 48:09.220 --> 48:10.400 Share it with the audience. 48:10.660 --> 48:10.700 Okay. 48:10.840 --> 48:13.420 This is an interesting piece of information. 48:13.600 --> 48:16.060 If you have a Sprint phone, you can opt to... 48:16.080 --> 48:20.440 Either, you know, have your voicemail so when you call it up, you enter in your password every time. 48:20.520 --> 48:24.760 Or if you call directly from your Sprint phone, it will not prompt you for the password. 48:24.880 --> 48:25.860 It'll look at your A&I. 48:26.020 --> 48:27.620 You know, it's Sprint's network. 48:27.740 --> 48:32.960 They can tell if you're calling from your phone by a lot of, you know, by the electronic serial number and your phone number and everything. 48:33.520 --> 48:35.060 They can tell by that which phone it's calling. 48:35.180 --> 48:38.640 So if you turn this feature on, you call up and you get right into your voicemail with no password. 48:39.560 --> 48:44.600 Now, me, like an idiot, you know, you'd think I'd be more concerned about security, so I would turn this feature off. 48:44.720 --> 48:46.720 But, no, I'm lazy like everybody else. 48:46.780 --> 48:47.240 I'll admit it. 48:47.440 --> 48:47.620 Yeah. 48:47.740 --> 48:48.480 No, I'm with you. 48:48.540 --> 48:49.300 I have the same thing. 48:49.540 --> 48:49.760 Yeah. 48:49.760 --> 48:56.380 So, you know, I have this feature on, and this is how the person was able to get into my voicemail and delete the saved messages I had. 48:57.320 --> 48:57.980 So, whatever. 48:58.120 --> 49:06.340 Then I found out, if you go into your personal options and then you go into administrative options and you turn this feature off, 49:06.760 --> 49:14.700 Sprint will say, you know, whatever, the voice will come back and say, you'll disable the auto password feature of your voicemail. 49:14.700 --> 49:21.060 Now, every time you want to access your voicemail, you have to enter your passcode of, and then it reads off your passcode. 49:21.220 --> 49:26.640 So if you get anybody's phone, you can get their passcode by turning this feature off and then just turn it back on, 49:26.800 --> 49:31.420 and you have access to their voicemail because they're not going to know that you can find out their voicemail passcode. 49:31.700 --> 49:33.340 But, see, what is the point? 49:33.440 --> 49:36.940 What is the logic of reading the passcode to you? 49:37.020 --> 49:40.700 The whole point is to not, I don't get their logic. 49:40.840 --> 49:41.940 What's their goal there? 49:41.940 --> 49:45.240 No password system should ever give up your password. 49:45.360 --> 49:46.520 It shouldn't even have access, you know. 49:46.520 --> 49:48.320 That's the point of a password system. 49:48.580 --> 49:48.940 Exactly. 49:49.140 --> 49:53.580 It should be some, like, you know, hashing scheme or something like that so they don't have the real password on file. 49:53.660 --> 49:54.600 Like Unix does it, you know. 49:54.640 --> 50:00.220 They hash your password, and you enter it, and it puts your password through a hash file or hash function, 50:00.320 --> 50:01.980 and if it matches, then you get in. 50:02.040 --> 50:07.300 But it's just obviously stored somewhere in their database in plain text so that anybody can get to it. 50:07.360 --> 50:09.020 I think that is the dumbest thing ever. 50:09.020 --> 50:14.180 But whatever, they're not going to change it because of me, so I'm just going to have to go. 50:14.440 --> 50:16.420 You know, I already changed my voicemail password and everything, 50:16.660 --> 50:23.760 and I've started the process of message bombing my own phone until 8 o'clock tomorrow morning when I can call them up and fix it. 50:23.760 --> 50:32.260 I still think you should do what I suggested and leave yourself a voicemail telling the person that you're going to kick his ass when you find him with the phone. 50:32.700 --> 50:33.080 Yeah, very good. 50:33.080 --> 50:37.300 Actually, be more, try to social engineer your way and trick him. 50:37.400 --> 50:41.320 Say, this is, you know, Inspector Clouseau or something from law enforcement. 50:41.840 --> 50:42.860 We are triangulating. 50:42.860 --> 50:45.640 See, odds are it's probably some schmuck that doesn't know what you're talking about. 50:45.680 --> 50:53.640 Just throw some long words at him and, you know, tell him that his BLT unit is FUBAR or whatever the line from hackers 50:53.640 --> 50:58.000 and tell him that if he returns the phone to such and such a location that you will drop charges 50:58.000 --> 51:02.180 or make up something that maybe you can scare him into dropping the phone off somewhere. 51:02.560 --> 51:06.860 Yeah, and then when he comes around to do it, I'm just going to run him over with my rental car. 51:07.080 --> 51:07.480 Damn it. 51:07.480 --> 51:09.720 I want to kill this bastard. 51:09.880 --> 51:10.860 Yankees baseball bat. 51:11.300 --> 51:12.300 Oh, yeah, that'll work. 51:13.240 --> 51:14.320 What else was I going to say? 51:14.360 --> 51:16.920 I had something else to say in reference to this. 51:16.920 --> 51:20.520 Oh, Sprint actually has a very good feature that I haven't gotten to play with yet, 51:20.960 --> 51:24.600 but you can send a message to somebody's phone and it's supposed to give you a tracking number 51:24.600 --> 51:26.160 so you can tell if the message was delivered. 51:26.320 --> 51:31.460 So now I can actually, I have a way to find out if the phone is actually still on or if the battery has run out. 51:31.760 --> 51:34.220 So that's kind of nice. 51:34.220 --> 51:39.700 So if I'm message bombing the phone, you know, I can detect to see if it's on or not so I know whether to bother. 51:41.540 --> 51:49.360 And, you know, the thing is people have come on the forums, I think, in the past 51:49.360 --> 51:57.160 and, in general, come to hackers as though we have some magical solution to a problem like this. 51:57.480 --> 51:57.660 Right. 51:57.660 --> 51:59.580 Well, no, our phones get stolen too. 51:59.580 --> 52:05.540 A thief is still a thief and there's not much you can do about good old-fashioned stealing someone's phone. 52:06.240 --> 52:13.440 Now, if we had authority or access to the phone company, whether we got it nice or we take it or whatever, 52:13.760 --> 52:17.260 we're trying to play and, you know, call the customer service and explain to them. 52:17.940 --> 52:22.380 And that's authority and power that we don't have any better than you do 52:22.380 --> 52:28.200 and it's not worth breaking into a system and stuff like that and risk getting in worse trouble just to get your own phone back 52:28.200 --> 52:29.040 because they won't cooperate. 52:29.400 --> 52:33.780 There is no magic answer to this just because we're in the hacking community. 52:34.040 --> 52:35.800 It's just as much a problem for us. 52:37.560 --> 52:39.980 So guard your phone with your life. 52:40.320 --> 52:40.920 Oh, yeah. 52:41.020 --> 52:43.640 I just started actually sending messages to it. 52:43.680 --> 52:45.540 I sent a message that says, enabling GPS. 52:45.840 --> 52:47.380 Maybe that'll shake things up. 52:49.040 --> 52:50.400 Make them nervous or something. 52:50.920 --> 52:51.400 I don't know. 52:51.400 --> 52:56.480 And, you know, the other thing that's disappointing is that you don't have access to go online and do some things with it 52:56.480 --> 53:02.700 because I can go on and deactivate my phone, turn it off, cancel, you know, contact whoever online 53:02.700 --> 53:06.260 and see every minute I can see what phone calls the person's making. 53:06.320 --> 53:10.240 Because, you know, not only is he calling your friends and harassing them 53:10.240 --> 53:14.500 and possibly calling 900-HOT-TIGER or whatever. 53:15.180 --> 53:19.120 And now I get to call up these people and say, you know, I didn't call 1-800-HOT-MAIL or whatever. 53:19.320 --> 53:19.720 Exactly. 53:19.720 --> 53:25.120 So, hey, I wonder if we've ever done that on an 800-Scan. 53:25.240 --> 53:27.160 H-O-T-M-A-I-L. 53:28.020 --> 53:29.960 You think that actually belongs to Hotmail.com? 53:30.200 --> 53:30.620 I don't know. 53:30.720 --> 53:31.240 That'd be interesting. 53:31.300 --> 53:33.580 I know your joke was M-A-L-E. 53:33.880 --> 53:34.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 53:34.280 --> 53:35.640 I wonder if there's Hotmail.com. 53:35.640 --> 53:36.800 If they want 800-HOT-MAIL. 53:37.120 --> 53:37.760 That would be funny. 53:37.940 --> 53:39.920 We'll have to try that on RFA. 53:40.040 --> 53:41.180 Blan, put that on your list. 53:41.600 --> 53:42.500 Check that one out. 53:42.500 --> 53:45.420 But, yeah, you're right. 53:45.480 --> 53:45.760 I should. 53:45.900 --> 53:50.600 Like you said, some other phone companies let you enable, disable your phone, 53:50.800 --> 53:52.460 check your up-to-the-minute usage. 53:52.720 --> 53:56.000 But, apparently, you know, Sprint's online service used to be great compared to everybody else. 53:56.060 --> 53:57.180 But now it's really falling behind. 53:57.280 --> 54:00.940 I can't check what calls I've made until I get the invoice. 54:00.940 --> 54:02.740 At least I can't find a way to do it online. 54:03.160 --> 54:04.360 No, not easily, yeah. 54:05.140 --> 54:11.100 By the time we spent all the work and effort to do something online and to hack into someplace, 54:11.620 --> 54:15.160 you might as well just call in during Business Hours Monday and make your case. 54:16.120 --> 54:17.600 But, see, with mine, I can go online. 54:17.680 --> 54:21.100 I can see every call that was made up to, like, ten minutes ago or five minutes ago even. 54:21.180 --> 54:21.980 It's pretty up-to-date. 54:22.380 --> 54:26.080 So this person's probably making, like I said, not only is he calling 1-900, this and that. 54:26.080 --> 54:32.820 I'm sure he used it to call his friends or his other, you know, someone he knows or himself or his job. 54:33.540 --> 54:38.460 If you could see those numbers, maybe you could track him back down by figuring out who he's calling. 54:38.780 --> 54:39.680 Oh, yeah, you can bet. 54:39.760 --> 54:42.820 As soon as I get that bill, if I see any number I don't recognize, that's it. 54:42.860 --> 54:46.240 I'm calling the people and trying to find out what happens. 54:46.620 --> 54:50.340 Yeah, but that's maybe too little too late at that point. 54:50.680 --> 54:51.120 Could be. 54:51.200 --> 54:54.180 But, you know what, if they play this game with me, I'm going to play it right back with them. 54:54.380 --> 54:55.240 Yeah, yeah. 54:55.240 --> 54:56.860 So, well, what else are you going to do? 54:58.300 --> 54:59.560 Let's jump ahead a little bit. 55:00.260 --> 55:04.220 I had an interesting article I read, if you're following me here. 55:04.600 --> 55:09.760 I have an interesting article that I read, Popular Science, a new issue I got about a week or so ago. 55:11.400 --> 55:19.300 Interesting not in content, but interesting in that we've been over this issue many times on the show, like, years ago. 55:19.680 --> 55:23.620 And not only us, but anybody in the Linux community knows this. 55:23.620 --> 55:30.360 This is an article about using old hardware and salvaging old hardware and old systems. 55:31.440 --> 55:33.920 Now, yes, there is a subculture. 55:34.100 --> 55:39.040 There is a group of people that get into, like, that's their hobby is playing with the old computers. 55:39.040 --> 55:44.600 But mostly like the old TRS-80 or old Commodore 64 and stuff like that. 55:45.020 --> 55:47.320 Well, yeah, I admit that's one thing. 55:47.380 --> 55:53.240 But another culture, and they tried to make it as though this was some obscure, rare thing that not a lot of people were into. 55:53.700 --> 55:54.240 Well, no. 55:54.240 --> 56:01.080 Well, we've been saying for years that Linux will run on thin hardware on old, low-end machines. 56:01.500 --> 56:06.020 And it's not because we're hobbyists and we're trying to come up and play with these old, obscure stuff. 56:06.080 --> 56:07.880 It's because we're a bunch of broke asses. 56:08.160 --> 56:10.800 Yeah, we can't afford the 3 gigahertz machines the day they come out. 56:10.800 --> 56:11.200 Exactly. 56:11.620 --> 56:18.840 So we're still, you know, I still have AMD, what is it, an AMD K6 processor. 56:19.020 --> 56:20.400 I got some Pentium 2s. 56:20.440 --> 56:24.520 I got a 486 in parts laying over there that I could put back together. 56:24.960 --> 56:29.860 And I could throw a Linux distro on there, and it could be a fully functional computer. 56:30.020 --> 56:33.340 It'll actually completely do just about anything I want to do. 56:34.100 --> 56:38.040 This is something that we've been touting on the air for the longest time. 56:38.460 --> 56:41.540 A dual parallel is rolling over in his grave. 56:42.200 --> 56:42.620 Mm-hmm. 56:43.240 --> 56:47.240 Oh, I didn't mention that I killed him and RFA will be ending soon. 56:47.420 --> 56:49.100 I guess I should have started the show with that. 56:49.320 --> 56:50.040 Oh, well, yeah. 56:50.040 --> 56:50.840 Oh, well, that's old. 56:51.220 --> 56:53.820 No, actually, Dool is very, very animated about that. 56:53.820 --> 56:58.400 He very much preaches about this, and, you know, it's nothing new. 56:58.780 --> 57:01.820 I guess, actually, the fact that it's in Popular Science, 57:01.820 --> 57:05.360 I'm sorry, did I say Popular Science is in Popular, let me see, I threw it away. 57:05.500 --> 57:07.320 Was it Popular Mechanics or Popular Science? 57:07.380 --> 57:08.340 I think it was Popular Science. 57:10.100 --> 57:12.240 Make it sound like this is some new phenomenon. 57:12.440 --> 57:13.220 Well, it's actually not. 57:13.340 --> 57:15.360 Most people in the Linux community know that, 57:15.560 --> 57:20.320 and it's one of the big things touted about Linux is that it runs on older hardware, 57:20.320 --> 57:23.120 stuff that most people consider obsolete. 57:23.500 --> 57:27.600 And it's also another reason, I'm going to stretch, go out of a limb a little bit, 57:27.820 --> 57:30.960 it's another reason why a lot of hackers dumpster dive. 57:30.960 --> 57:36.740 Yeah, we like to find the information and old manuals and stuff like that that we can use, 57:37.100 --> 57:42.280 but, hell, people are throwing away 486s and Pentium 1s and even Pentium 2s sometimes. 57:42.600 --> 57:44.720 You will find them out behind buildings. 57:44.820 --> 57:48.560 You will find pallets of them sometimes, if you're really lucky, that is. 57:49.240 --> 57:51.520 You know, but you'll find old computers tossed out that, 57:52.220 --> 57:55.620 with only the tiniest bit of work, and sometimes no work at all, 57:55.620 --> 58:00.080 just installing the proper OS on it, you can have working and fully functional, 58:00.080 --> 58:03.860 and, hell, if you don't do anything but put it on the distributed .NET client 58:03.860 --> 58:06.020 and turn it loose on the DDP distributed team. 58:06.480 --> 58:10.980 You know, there's plenty of great things that you can do with this old hardware, 58:11.140 --> 58:12.500 and there's nothing wrong with it. 58:13.460 --> 58:16.400 So, anyway, that I had to mention on the air, 58:16.400 --> 58:20.620 because, you know, we've talked about it so much, it's really nothing new. 58:20.980 --> 58:21.180 Yeah. 58:21.740 --> 58:27.220 Yeah, actually, and speaking of Commodore 64s, I didn't mention this before the show, 58:27.340 --> 58:30.780 but I had the privilege of checking out a radio station the other day, 58:31.460 --> 58:33.340 like a real, not an internet radio station. 58:33.620 --> 58:35.040 You know, no offense to rent radio, but, I mean, 58:35.060 --> 58:37.580 this is a real radio station with a huge tower and everything, 58:37.580 --> 58:42.560 and it's actually being run, for the most part, by a Commodore 64. 58:43.000 --> 58:45.240 The station is just that old, they've never upgraded. 58:45.800 --> 58:47.840 Wow, you have got to be kidding me. 58:47.900 --> 58:50.340 I swear on my life, I walked in to check this thing out, 58:50.720 --> 58:52.420 and the guy said, yeah, we need to upgrade our computers. 58:52.540 --> 58:54.940 I saw a Commodore 64 on the desk, and jokingly, I was like, 58:55.020 --> 58:57.260 wow, yeah, you're running this thing, you've got to upgrade. 58:57.920 --> 59:00.720 He said, yeah, it's been running the station for 10 years now. 59:01.620 --> 59:01.780 So. 59:01.940 --> 59:05.220 You've got, I am sorry, but I have to see that to believe it. 59:05.320 --> 59:05.720 I don't believe. 59:05.740 --> 59:06.760 You know what, I'll take a picture, 59:06.760 --> 59:09.100 That is insane. 59:10.200 --> 59:11.480 That is insane. 59:12.000 --> 59:12.740 Yeah, it's ridiculous. 59:12.820 --> 59:16.780 If you told me it was running on an old 486, or even a 386, I'd believe you, but. 59:16.820 --> 59:18.520 Oh, I couldn't even believe it when I saw it. 59:18.520 --> 59:19.200 Oh, my gosh. 59:19.260 --> 59:20.860 It had one of those old, chunky monitors, 59:21.000 --> 59:22.520 and the two floppy drives behind it, 59:22.980 --> 59:26.040 and it had, you know, it had the radio station running off of it. 59:26.060 --> 59:26.160 Wow. 59:26.480 --> 59:28.600 See, I remember having my old VIC-20, 59:29.160 --> 59:32.380 and having to load programs from a cassette tape. 59:32.380 --> 59:37.300 I'd have cassette tapes that had half of the cassette was music, 59:37.400 --> 59:38.620 and the other half was programs. 59:39.140 --> 59:39.540 Wow. 59:40.200 --> 59:42.120 VIC-20, now that's some old hardware. 59:42.240 --> 59:42.400 Yeah. 59:42.700 --> 59:43.940 Yeah, and you know, the funny thing is, 59:44.020 --> 59:47.760 I had that up until, gosh, five or six years ago. 59:47.760 --> 59:51.700 I finally moved, and I had been, I've moved a lot in my life. 59:51.760 --> 59:56.320 As listeners know, I've moved around quite a few places on the run, so to speak, 59:56.820 --> 01:00:00.000 and I carried it with me all this time because I loved it. 01:00:00.060 --> 01:00:02.620 It was just so cool and the nostalgia effect, and it worked. 01:00:02.740 --> 01:00:04.660 As far as I know, I hadn't turned it on for years, 01:00:04.720 --> 01:00:06.600 but it worked at last knowledge, 01:00:07.240 --> 01:00:10.460 and I just got tired of dragging it around and carrying it and packing it up. 01:00:10.540 --> 01:00:13.740 So this last time that I moved, which was about five or six years ago, 01:00:13.740 --> 01:00:17.300 when I was packing stuff up, I'm like, you know what? 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:19.940 This will be one less trip to the U-Haul. 01:00:21.240 --> 01:00:22.540 So I just chucked it. 01:00:22.600 --> 01:00:23.660 Actually, I gave it away to a friend. 01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:27.800 I gave away my Atari 2600 and a whole box full of games, 01:00:28.100 --> 01:00:30.800 which now I really feel stupid about that. 01:00:30.860 --> 01:00:31.760 God, I wish I had that. 01:00:32.220 --> 01:00:33.540 I still love to play combat. 01:00:33.680 --> 01:00:34.800 I don't care what anybody says. 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:36.080 Oh, combat is definitely the game. 01:00:36.080 --> 01:00:38.960 Dude, those two little block tanks, 01:00:39.460 --> 01:00:41.420 boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. 01:00:41.420 --> 01:00:43.660 That was the most kick-ass game. 01:00:43.940 --> 01:00:45.840 Yep, still to say, man, I would play it. 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:47.460 Yep, in the planes. 01:00:47.780 --> 01:00:48.140 Oh, yeah? 01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:48.520 Yep. 01:00:49.040 --> 01:00:50.480 Oh, man, what a great game. 01:00:50.560 --> 01:00:54.080 And there was like 100 and something games on combat. 01:00:54.200 --> 01:00:55.080 The cartridge by itself, 01:00:55.140 --> 01:00:57.940 there was 100 different variations and stuff of the game itself. 01:00:58.080 --> 01:01:01.260 Oh, yeah, the big planes, the triple planes in a row and all that stuff. 01:01:01.560 --> 01:01:03.260 Oh, that kicked ass. 01:01:03.980 --> 01:01:04.920 Man, now, you know what? 01:01:04.940 --> 01:01:06.880 I'm going to head down to the Haitian Swap Shop this weekend 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:08.300 and buy a new 2600, 01:01:08.300 --> 01:01:10.900 and I'll probably have to pay out the wazoo for it. 01:01:11.420 --> 01:01:13.820 Because they probably think it's the latest technology 01:01:13.820 --> 01:01:15.680 and they want $150 for it. 01:01:17.620 --> 01:01:18.580 Well, you know what? 01:01:18.620 --> 01:01:19.760 I think that's the show, man. 01:01:20.180 --> 01:01:20.600 That's it? 01:01:20.720 --> 01:01:21.580 I think that's it. 01:01:21.900 --> 01:01:23.020 I think that's going to do it. 01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:26.660 Yeah, we... 01:01:26.660 --> 01:01:30.660 I would like to actually find out about these Linux distros 01:01:30.660 --> 01:01:32.020 I mentioned earlier, 01:01:32.100 --> 01:01:33.820 or any others if there's some I left out. 01:01:33.820 --> 01:01:36.840 So if anybody's got any information 01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.780 or any other suggestions on those, 01:01:39.380 --> 01:01:42.200 you know how to contact us. 01:01:43.200 --> 01:01:44.920 It's letters at binrev.com. 01:01:45.680 --> 01:01:49.140 And we are eventually, damn it, 01:01:49.600 --> 01:01:51.600 going to talk about 64-bit processing, 01:01:52.140 --> 01:01:53.300 which I'd like to do, 01:01:53.420 --> 01:01:55.720 get you on the phone and talk about that sometime soon. 01:01:55.720 --> 01:01:58.300 And I've got a couple other things here 01:01:58.300 --> 01:01:58.920 I want to bring up, 01:01:59.140 --> 01:02:01.580 but nothing urgent. 01:02:01.860 --> 01:02:04.360 So I think this is a good closing time. 01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:05.880 I am... 01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:08.640 Unfortunately, like I mentioned at the top of the show, 01:02:09.080 --> 01:02:10.300 as far as I'm concerned, 01:02:10.600 --> 01:02:11.600 the World Series is over. 01:02:11.680 --> 01:02:12.580 My Cubs are out. 01:02:13.040 --> 01:02:14.100 I am in mourning. 01:02:15.700 --> 01:02:17.880 So my shout-outs tonight 01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:19.300 are not going to be the first... 01:02:19.300 --> 01:02:19.680 Maybe... 01:02:19.680 --> 01:02:20.020 You know what? 01:02:20.060 --> 01:02:20.960 As a matter of fact, they are. 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:21.840 I lied. 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:23.760 I am going to shout-out the Chicago Cubs 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:25.280 because they had a damn good season. 01:02:26.680 --> 01:02:28.340 This is the last one, I promise. 01:02:28.520 --> 01:02:29.700 Come on, these guys. 01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:31.100 I should shout-out that guy 01:02:31.100 --> 01:02:32.540 who reached over and caught the ball, 01:02:32.680 --> 01:02:35.560 but he's been tortured enough, I guess. 01:02:36.040 --> 01:02:37.920 I think his name was Bartman 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:38.820 or something like that. 01:02:39.080 --> 01:02:39.740 I don't remember. 01:02:39.820 --> 01:02:41.120 The guy, you know, 01:02:41.180 --> 01:02:42.080 he's sitting in the stands 01:02:42.080 --> 01:02:43.820 and a baseball comes flying to him. 01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:45.540 So he did what anybody 01:02:45.540 --> 01:02:47.180 in their normal right mind would do. 01:02:47.260 --> 01:02:48.120 He caught the baseball. 01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:50.640 But... 01:02:50.640 --> 01:02:51.600 Oh, gosh. 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.200 It turned into a big controversy 01:02:53.200 --> 01:02:54.240 because they claimed the guy 01:02:54.240 --> 01:02:55.600 could have caught it over the fence 01:02:55.600 --> 01:02:56.520 and maybe he could have, 01:02:56.620 --> 01:02:57.540 but... 01:02:57.540 --> 01:02:58.140 Oh, my God. 01:02:58.180 --> 01:02:59.420 The guy got death threats. 01:03:00.020 --> 01:03:01.540 The guy had to take his... 01:03:01.540 --> 01:03:02.720 have his phone disconnected 01:03:02.720 --> 01:03:03.440 the next day 01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:04.680 from so many people calling 01:03:04.680 --> 01:03:07.220 and people were calling his job 01:03:07.220 --> 01:03:08.240 and his place of business 01:03:08.240 --> 01:03:09.360 harassing this guy. 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:10.320 Come on. 01:03:10.380 --> 01:03:11.860 I love the Cubs as much as anybody 01:03:11.860 --> 01:03:13.020 and I love the game of baseball. 01:03:13.100 --> 01:03:13.960 I hate the business of baseball. 01:03:14.020 --> 01:03:14.920 I love the game of baseball. 01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:16.600 I'm not going to call and threaten 01:03:16.600 --> 01:03:17.560 and harass some guy 01:03:17.560 --> 01:03:18.880 because he caught a baseball. 01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:20.340 Yeah, that's too much, man. 01:03:20.340 --> 01:03:20.740 Please. 01:03:20.740 --> 01:03:23.500 I'm sure none of our listeners 01:03:23.500 --> 01:03:24.140 are doing that, 01:03:24.200 --> 01:03:25.560 but if anybody listening 01:03:25.560 --> 01:03:26.420 is calling in, 01:03:26.520 --> 01:03:27.180 come on. 01:03:27.640 --> 01:03:29.080 Get a fucking life. 01:03:29.580 --> 01:03:29.980 Seriously. 01:03:31.560 --> 01:03:32.740 So I'm shouting out 01:03:32.740 --> 01:03:33.500 my Chicago Cubs. 01:03:33.560 --> 01:03:34.200 I'm going to shout out 01:03:34.200 --> 01:03:34.980 Buttman, Bartman, 01:03:35.040 --> 01:03:36.120 whatever the hell his name is. 01:03:36.820 --> 01:03:37.160 And actually, 01:03:37.220 --> 01:03:38.100 there was a funny... 01:03:38.100 --> 01:03:38.960 On SportsCenter, 01:03:39.040 --> 01:03:40.680 they supposedly had him live 01:03:40.680 --> 01:03:41.800 on the air. 01:03:42.220 --> 01:03:43.540 And if I can find 01:03:43.540 --> 01:03:44.340 the audio of that, 01:03:44.380 --> 01:03:45.260 I might close this show. 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:45.960 I might play that here 01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:46.540 at the end of the show. 01:03:46.540 --> 01:03:50.020 Somebody called in live 01:03:50.020 --> 01:03:50.820 on SportsCenter 01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:52.500 claiming that it was him 01:03:52.500 --> 01:03:53.160 and they're interviewing 01:03:53.160 --> 01:03:53.940 the guy live 01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:54.720 and then it turns out 01:03:54.720 --> 01:03:55.220 at the very end 01:03:55.220 --> 01:03:56.140 it was a prank call. 01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:57.800 So they were just 01:03:57.800 --> 01:03:58.680 so red-faced 01:03:58.680 --> 01:03:59.480 it was hilarious. 01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.540 So I might search that 01:04:01.540 --> 01:04:01.980 and throw that 01:04:01.980 --> 01:04:02.760 at the end of the show 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:04.160 just before 01:04:04.160 --> 01:04:05.900 our closing music 01:04:05.900 --> 01:04:07.020 which tonight is 01:04:07.020 --> 01:04:08.480 Sacrilegious 01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:09.920 from Insidious Productions 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:10.980 and it's a track 01:04:10.980 --> 01:04:12.380 called Talk To Me. 01:04:13.460 --> 01:04:13.860 So, 01:04:14.860 --> 01:04:15.740 as far as I'm concerned, 01:04:15.820 --> 01:04:16.160 that's it. 01:04:16.220 --> 01:04:16.860 Do you have any shouts 01:04:16.860 --> 01:04:17.380 you want to throw? 01:04:17.640 --> 01:04:18.580 I'm just shouts 01:04:18.580 --> 01:04:19.040 to the kid 01:04:19.040 --> 01:04:19.940 who stole my phone. 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:21.380 I'm going to come after you. 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:22.140 No, I said shouts 01:04:22.140 --> 01:04:22.740 not punches. 01:04:22.980 --> 01:04:24.100 Yeah, well... 01:04:24.100 --> 01:04:24.860 They may come... 01:04:24.860 --> 01:04:25.360 Let me think. 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:26.320 Shouts Dakota 365 01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:27.840 because he motivated me 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:29.380 to rip off DSL reports. 01:04:30.060 --> 01:04:30.860 And you know what? 01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:32.140 Shout out to DSL reports. 01:04:32.260 --> 01:04:32.480 You know, 01:04:32.560 --> 01:04:33.280 they haven't shut you down 01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:34.000 the second time. 01:04:34.240 --> 01:04:35.360 Yeah, if they shut me down again 01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:36.140 I'll just get around it 01:04:36.140 --> 01:04:36.380 somehow. 01:04:36.540 --> 01:04:37.300 I'll move to another IP. 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:38.360 Whatever, I'll figure it out. 01:04:38.420 --> 01:04:38.880 For right now 01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:39.400 they get shouts. 01:04:39.460 --> 01:04:39.860 Next week 01:04:39.860 --> 01:04:40.920 they may be able to get... 01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:41.540 We can tell them 01:04:41.540 --> 01:04:42.300 to suck a fat dick. 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:42.800 But for now 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:43.260 we're going to give them 01:04:43.260 --> 01:04:43.640 shout outs. 01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:44.360 Fair enough. 01:04:44.660 --> 01:04:46.480 And that will do it for me. 01:04:46.600 --> 01:04:46.900 So, 01:04:47.300 --> 01:04:48.420 we will see you next week. 01:04:48.880 --> 01:04:49.900 Same hack time. 01:04:50.240 --> 01:04:51.120 Same hack channel. 01:04:52.040 --> 01:04:52.640 Peace out. 01:04:54.780 --> 01:04:55.720 Many Chicagoans 01:04:55.720 --> 01:04:56.840 point to this incident 01:04:56.840 --> 01:04:57.820 in the left field stands 01:04:57.820 --> 01:04:58.380 in the eighth inning 01:04:58.380 --> 01:04:59.460 of Game 6 Tuesday night 01:04:59.460 --> 01:05:00.800 is another in a long line 01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:01.240 of incidents 01:05:01.240 --> 01:05:02.820 that perpetuate the curse 01:05:02.820 --> 01:05:03.380 on the Cubs. 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:04.000 At the time 01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:05.000 left-fielder Moises Alou 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:06.140 was chasing the foul ball 01:05:06.140 --> 01:05:07.220 when a number of Cub fans 01:05:07.220 --> 01:05:08.440 including 26-year-old 01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:09.220 Steve Bartman 01:05:09.220 --> 01:05:10.260 reached for the ball 01:05:10.260 --> 01:05:10.840 and kept Alou 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:11.640 from having a shot 01:05:11.640 --> 01:05:12.260 at catching it. 01:05:12.980 --> 01:05:13.400 Steve Bartman, 01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:15.000 a lifelong Cub fan 01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:16.120 is joining us now 01:05:16.120 --> 01:05:17.320 via the phone 01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:18.080 on SportsCenter. 01:05:18.340 --> 01:05:18.640 Steve, 01:05:18.720 --> 01:05:19.320 take me back 01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:20.340 to Tuesday night. 01:05:20.460 --> 01:05:21.120 The ball is coming 01:05:21.120 --> 01:05:21.580 off the bat 01:05:21.580 --> 01:05:22.440 of Luis Castillo 01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:22.920 and what's going 01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:23.520 through your mind. 01:05:23.780 --> 01:05:24.480 I was with a couple 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:25.860 friends and we had 01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:26.640 a couple beers in it 01:05:26.640 --> 01:05:27.420 and we were just 01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:27.840 sitting there 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:28.800 and caught up 01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:30.160 in the moment 01:05:30.160 --> 01:05:31.040 and I didn't even 01:05:31.040 --> 01:05:31.640 think twice. 01:05:31.740 --> 01:05:32.540 I just reached out 01:05:32.540 --> 01:05:34.860 and grabbed the ball 01:05:34.860 --> 01:05:36.080 as anyone would have 01:05:36.080 --> 01:05:36.480 been, I think, 01:05:36.520 --> 01:05:37.100 in that position. 01:05:37.780 --> 01:05:38.180 When the ball 01:05:38.180 --> 01:05:39.080 was coming at you, 01:05:39.180 --> 01:05:39.980 did you realize 01:05:39.980 --> 01:05:40.940 that Moises Alou 01:05:40.940 --> 01:05:41.440 had a chance 01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:41.900 to catch it? 01:05:42.640 --> 01:05:43.640 To tell you the truth, 01:05:43.700 --> 01:05:44.620 I really couldn't see him. 01:05:44.700 --> 01:05:45.480 He was directly 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:46.140 under me 01:05:46.140 --> 01:05:47.500 and I just didn't 01:05:47.500 --> 01:05:47.840 see him 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:49.240 and combined 01:05:49.240 --> 01:05:49.880 with the excitement 01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:50.300 of the minute, 01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:51.000 may I say that 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:51.500 I'm truly, 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:52.560 truly sorry 01:05:52.560 --> 01:05:53.080 for causing 01:05:53.080 --> 01:05:53.640 the heartache 01:05:53.640 --> 01:05:55.240 to the city of Chicago, 01:05:55.420 --> 01:05:56.100 the Cubs management, 01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:56.720 team players, 01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:57.240 and of course, 01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:57.860 the fans. 01:05:58.320 --> 01:05:58.920 When security 01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:00.200 came to talk to you, 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:02.220 were you being informed 01:06:02.220 --> 01:06:02.780 that you had done 01:06:02.780 --> 01:06:03.560 something wrong 01:06:03.560 --> 01:06:04.240 or they were there 01:06:04.240 --> 01:06:04.940 for your protection? 01:06:05.380 --> 01:06:06.240 Well, I was told 01:06:06.240 --> 01:06:06.680 that they were there 01:06:06.680 --> 01:06:07.260 for my protection. 01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:07.960 People were throwing 01:06:07.960 --> 01:06:08.620 things at me, 01:06:08.780 --> 01:06:09.420 bottles, 01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:10.260 glass, 01:06:10.460 --> 01:06:10.860 plastic, 01:06:10.860 --> 01:06:13.520 and it was very scary 01:06:13.520 --> 01:06:14.100 because I could have 01:06:14.100 --> 01:06:14.580 got hurt, 01:06:14.900 --> 01:06:15.620 hit with something 01:06:15.620 --> 01:06:16.580 and seriously injured. 01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:17.640 Have you received 01:06:17.640 --> 01:06:18.360 death threats, Steve? 01:06:18.820 --> 01:06:19.840 Yes, I have received 01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:21.220 at least five death threats 01:06:21.220 --> 01:06:23.280 calling my parents' house 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:24.620 and people get, 01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:25.700 especially from the news, 01:06:25.780 --> 01:06:26.280 they've been calling 01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:28.380 and I'm pretty much 01:06:28.380 --> 01:06:28.900 right now 01:06:28.900 --> 01:06:30.740 hiding out right now. 01:06:31.260 --> 01:06:32.040 Can you stay 01:06:32.040 --> 01:06:32.940 in the Chicago area? 01:06:33.720 --> 01:06:34.340 Do you like 01:06:34.340 --> 01:06:35.260 Howard Stern's butt cheese? 01:06:39.220 --> 01:06:40.040 We've been had. 01:06:40.860 --> 01:06:42.120 That was not 01:06:42.120 --> 01:06:42.740 Steve Barthin. 01:06:42.740 --> 01:07:12.720 Thank you. 01:07:12.740 --> 01:07:42.720 Thank you. 01:07:42.740 --> 01:08:12.720 Thank you. 01:08:12.740 --> 01:08:42.720 Thank you. 01:08:42.740 --> 01:09:12.720 Thank you. 01:09:12.740 --> 01:09:42.720 Thank you. 01:09:42.740 --> 01:10:12.720 Thank you. 01:10:12.740 --> 01:10:14.740 Thank you.