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03:56.220 --> 04:02.940 to the hackers and the crackers i see in binary i speak source code step on my toes i'll post a 04:02.940 --> 04:08.700 million jpegs of you in a fag pose in your digital stance getting firewalled ho because i'm riding 04:08.700 --> 04:15.480 the net in my six foe i was a dick with my 56 now with my cable i'm able to get that stable on the 04:15.480 --> 04:21.740 out my name is ace and i'm a leo on the digital highway my name is neo and i'm a hero in a flash 04:21.740 --> 04:26.840 i'll sue you on burning dream packs you need some iso let me through my hard drive rifle 04:26.840 --> 04:33.560 our exchange you could never stifle in a digital hug you just caught the love bug i bootlegged your cd 04:33.560 --> 04:39.680 i caused the fight between un and jc your cg it's all gonna be free whether we take it by force or 04:39.680 --> 04:44.800 we take it nicely you feel that rattle in your bones when i tell you we just hacked out jones 04:44.800 --> 04:50.520 and nasdaq leave you flat on your back because i am he who loves to hack and crack because i am he 04:50.520 --> 04:55.000 who loves to hack and crack this is dedicated to the hackers and the critics 04:55.000 --> 05:11.380 ladies and gentlemen welcome to binary revolution radio i am stank dog here once again this week 05:11.380 --> 05:18.940 can't get rid of me that easily and i am joined by a co-host this week who you may recognize by voice 05:18.940 --> 05:25.620 certainly will recognize by name but actually a first time co-host hopefully not the last time 05:25.620 --> 05:35.040 decoder welcome to the show what's up now we have to start off the show unfortunately with some bad 05:35.040 --> 05:42.680 news i got an email i got a couple emails actually and i went over to defcon.org to confirm and look 05:42.680 --> 05:47.160 at some of this and it would appear that the hacking community has lost one of its members 05:47.160 --> 05:55.720 and forgive me if i mispronounce this um but it's gent or gent uh g-h-e-n-t apparently passed away 05:55.720 --> 06:01.200 recently so you know i didn't know him personally and i don't know if any of the listeners have but 06:01.200 --> 06:07.840 you know anytime something bad happens like that it's it's you know we don't wish anything like that 06:07.840 --> 06:16.100 on anybody so um i want to pass that news along um and you can go to defcon.org and check out there's 06:16.100 --> 06:21.800 some tributes there and find out more information and and contact information if you want to make a 06:21.800 --> 06:28.180 donation or or something like that so um unfortunately we have to start off with with bad news like that 06:28.180 --> 06:36.960 um and other than that really i'm going to jump into what i've been doing here this past week speaking 06:36.960 --> 06:46.340 of emails um beginning of the month we closed up the submissions for bin rev 1.3 so if you wanted 06:46.340 --> 06:52.760 to get submissions in um that was the time actually i am a tiny bit behind if you want to slip something 06:52.760 --> 06:57.920 at the last minute you might get it through i can't guarantee that but i am in the process right 06:57.920 --> 07:04.380 now of going through and editing articles and um selecting the articles that we're going to use and 07:04.380 --> 07:12.220 i've already contacted logan about um starting on the layout very soon so i will technically we're 07:12.220 --> 07:18.680 pretty much clean but if you were to send something in by say this weekend um your 2600 meeting weekend 07:18.680 --> 07:23.020 if you've got something you want to send in by that weekend i will possibly be able to consider 07:23.020 --> 07:30.940 1.3 if not it'll definitely be considered for 1.4 or actually 2.1 i guess we're beginning next year 07:30.940 --> 07:36.460 so i guess we'll go into 2.1 so anyway um if you want to send something in it'll we might be able 07:36.460 --> 07:43.220 to get an issue this issue but possibly more likely would be for next issue um and actually i should 07:43.220 --> 07:48.520 also mention um hack and slash has been writing the show notes and i wanted to thank him again on the air 07:48.520 --> 07:53.840 um he's been writing the notes every week like the day that i put the show up i get the show notes 07:53.840 --> 08:00.200 immediately in email so i want to give a big thanks to him again um and i guess he can put 08:00.200 --> 08:05.880 that in the show notes that i thanked him that'll be he'll put that in there i'm sure and um that's 08:05.880 --> 08:10.160 really all i have to start off with um we have a lot of stories we want to talk about today 08:10.160 --> 08:16.280 and we had a big announcement today we are actually recording just before we stream right now and we 08:16.280 --> 08:22.060 just found out well maybe decoder why don't you tell them what we just found out h2k4 has been 08:22.060 --> 08:31.220 confirmed my ninth to the 11th hotel ponselvania same as last time so my job tomorrow is to ask 08:31.220 --> 08:38.380 off from work i'm going to plan my vacation ahead of time and i know yeah several people that uh 08:38.380 --> 08:41.780 several people on the forums have talked about meeting up and getting together i know a lot of 08:41.780 --> 08:47.440 us the dvp we're going to try to hook up um so i've never been to new york now if i come up to new 08:47.440 --> 08:51.740 york you know i want to go up and do the touristy things as well i want to go to the world 08:51.740 --> 08:56.360 trade center i want to go to central park i want to go do all that kind of silly stuff man you're 08:56.360 --> 09:00.220 going to hook me up with that yeah of course you're going to take me down to the best uh oh how 09:00.220 --> 09:04.720 about scores you're going to take me to scores oh that's where you want to go right i said the 09:04.720 --> 09:09.800 tourist attractions i meant it that's the main tourist attraction exactly exactly wall street all 09:09.800 --> 09:13.600 that silly kind of stuff i want to do that so i might actually take a week off or something 09:13.600 --> 09:17.520 and go up there and do some of that kind of silly stuff and then go to the con 09:17.520 --> 09:23.960 now did you i think you told me you did not go to h2k2 is that correct no i actually was not in 09:23.960 --> 09:30.220 new york at that time so make it we really don't know well at least other than hearsay stories from 09:30.220 --> 09:35.720 other people what to expect i've never been before so i don't know what to expect drinking lots of 09:35.720 --> 09:40.420 drinking that's what i'm gonna be doing well you know that's you don't have to wait for h2k4 to do 09:40.420 --> 09:47.240 that extra drinking yeah the um i don't they haven't they haven't announced the official 09:47.240 --> 09:51.660 title of it yet i mean we're calling it h2k4 because they haven't come up with a name yet they 09:51.660 --> 09:56.900 just announced that they're even doing it here you know six months is it before it starts so 09:56.900 --> 10:04.080 technically they're only going to get to advertise in one issue of 2600 magazine for this thing so 10:04.080 --> 10:09.560 it's going to be all word of mouth word of mouth news on the website exactly so it's going to be 10:09.560 --> 10:15.920 interesting to see how this works out um i wonder if they how much uh how many um presentations and 10:15.920 --> 10:21.060 stuff they have lined up i've heard about one or two but yeah i think particular is you know 10:21.060 --> 10:27.560 not really sure it's awful short notice i hope they get enough stuff going on i still i'm still 10:27.560 --> 10:34.320 curious as to see i'm planning on also hopefully going to defcon next year and once i've been to 10:34.320 --> 10:38.040 both of them i'll kind of maybe get a better understanding of the differences between because 10:38.040 --> 10:45.580 i've heard a lot of positive and negative things about both of them and i don't know if i don't 10:45.580 --> 10:50.860 know which one i would prefer or which one is you know how different they are have you you haven't 10:50.860 --> 10:55.240 been to defcon either no i haven't been to defcon but you know i guess vegas new york depending on 10:55.240 --> 11:00.680 where you want to be i guess that's true but i i guess i don't know i don't i'm sure someone will 11:00.680 --> 11:05.360 email me and correct me for saying this but i get the impression that defcon is more of the 11:05.360 --> 11:12.260 drinking partying kind of uh con i think they have a lot more fun per se whereas h2k4 is a little 11:12.260 --> 11:17.260 bit more um more serious yeah a little bit more on presentations a little bit more about knowledge 11:17.260 --> 11:22.920 and i would suspect i don't think this is a faux pas for me to say this i would suspect that there's 11:22.920 --> 11:29.820 a lot of younger people there at h2k4 yeah i would imagine a lot of younger people or or 11:29.820 --> 11:35.780 people who aren't old enough to legally drink i would think there'd be a lot more people yeah i 11:35.780 --> 11:38.480 would think there'd be a lot more people like that at the twin not that there's anything wrong 11:38.480 --> 11:43.420 with it but you know i'd expect that might be there so therefore less of a emphasis on drinking 11:43.420 --> 11:48.740 so and partying well i guess you party without drinking let's not tie those two together 11:48.740 --> 11:53.620 we don't want to open that bag i would say you know everything's an excuse to drink 11:53.620 --> 12:02.240 well for for legally uh legal adults we'll must be over 21 exactly you sound like a beer commercial 12:02.240 --> 12:12.100 now oh man well that is going to be interesting i can't wait for that and um plus a lot of you guys 12:12.100 --> 12:16.900 are up in that area so i can't wait to meet some of you guys and go around and and check out new york 12:16.900 --> 12:21.100 i really i know it sounds kind of corny to say that but i've never been on a subway in my life 12:21.100 --> 12:26.140 to go do some ue in the subway yeah exactly i want to go down there and and see what kind of 12:26.140 --> 12:31.160 cool stuff i can find man i got to go got to go tag down in the subways bring your spray paint 12:31.160 --> 12:36.300 exactly what's what if i if i get caught with that will i be able to make it out of jail and home to 12:36.300 --> 12:41.520 be able to go home then by uh end of the week yeah that's what i figured no big deal 12:41.520 --> 12:49.480 well there we go i i foresee ddp was here in the future somewhere on the walls uh oh wait a minute 12:49.480 --> 12:55.040 damn it did i just uh i probably just um incriminated exactly they see that they're 12:55.040 --> 12:59.200 gonna come straight to you i'm just saying potentially possibly if that were to happen 12:59.200 --> 13:05.000 it would not be for me it absolutely could not happen for me just a fan of the show right yeah 13:05.000 --> 13:10.320 exactly i can't control these crazy fans i don't you know what if they go out there and do this kind 13:10.320 --> 13:14.860 of stuff it's discourage it but as far as they're going to do what they want to do anyway exactly 13:14.860 --> 13:20.300 absolutely so that still doesn't cover me legally i've already screwed up but that's all right we're 13:20.300 --> 13:24.940 going to go with it um actually we're going to go into are you want to jump into some news topics 13:24.940 --> 13:32.680 here did you want to talk about um anything else with h2k4 oh not really the only uh it was just that 13:32.680 --> 13:38.500 news item on the site no name for it yet just released today you know yeah i know some people 13:38.500 --> 13:42.460 had told me that it was going to be coming like i think epiphany had mentioned it that he heard 13:42.460 --> 13:48.260 rumors and and in theory and some of the other people have told me that they had heard rumblings 13:48.260 --> 13:53.280 of it at their at the new york 2600 meeting and friends of friends have said oh it's going to 13:53.280 --> 13:56.660 happen we just don't have a name yet maybe that's what took maybe that's why they took so long they 13:56.660 --> 14:00.680 didn't give it a name yet and they were trying to come up with a clever name yeah maybe a couple of 14:00.680 --> 14:05.660 months back people were just saying it's a rumor you know it's not going to happen how h2k2 was 14:05.660 --> 14:11.260 announced like a year and a half advance right right exactly and then slowly just started getting 14:11.260 --> 14:14.320 more and more people saying look you know i've been hearing on the inside it's going to happen 14:14.320 --> 14:23.540 well according to 2600.com it is official so if they bump it back or postpone it or something that's 14:23.540 --> 14:28.900 really i'd be pissed what do you got because i'm serious i i have to i'm going to go and ask off of 14:28.900 --> 14:34.900 work this far in advance to make sure that there's no no problems and no second guessing that i asked 14:34.900 --> 14:43.360 off of work so i hope they don't change anything i hope this is true on short notice hey i guess 14:43.360 --> 14:51.100 we'll find out your time will tell exactly um let's talk about this is probably the funniest thing 14:51.100 --> 14:56.900 at least to me and i maybe maybe it's just a me thing i laugh at stupid shit sometimes damn it i did 14:56.900 --> 15:01.320 it i said a bad word i said i wasn't going to and i did it anyway well there's going to be a lot 15:01.320 --> 15:07.780 coming up on the next topic after this one but this topic is um some news from amazon.com 15:07.780 --> 15:14.920 one of our personal favorite sites they have added a new feature here in the past week or so where 15:14.920 --> 15:21.580 and actually this is i should i should rephrase they changed this feature they added probably six 15:21.580 --> 15:29.340 months or more ago the ability to look inside at a couple sample pages of books so you could kind of 15:29.340 --> 15:33.620 get a feel to see how it was written see if you it had what you wanted in it it would let you look 15:33.620 --> 15:38.980 at like the table of contents and maybe a first few pages or something some samples to see if it's the 15:38.980 --> 15:46.660 one you want um well they got rid of that and they kind of changed it now where you can view pages from 15:46.660 --> 15:55.180 pretty much any book and the way you did it before was you would search you would find the book that 15:55.180 --> 16:00.220 you wanted and then there was a like a little icon or something that said see inside and you'd click 16:00.220 --> 16:07.200 on that and it would load pdfs and you could like i said look at a page or two sample well it now they 16:07.200 --> 16:14.520 actually integrated the contents of all of the books into the search engine so you can put in a string 16:14.520 --> 16:21.200 and search for that string and it will not only search titles authors keywords stuff like that but 16:21.200 --> 16:28.740 they will actually search the strings in the books and your search results will be weighed weighted by 16:28.740 --> 16:36.260 those as well as the other things i just mentioned keywords titles stuff like that so the difference is 16:36.260 --> 16:45.480 that now you have to give them well i'm jumping ahead of myself basically i'm curious as to how they're able 16:45.480 --> 16:51.460 to do this because they are putting up and it's somewhat like the music industry you have 16:51.460 --> 16:58.640 several several different record labels with people signing under all the different labels and each 16:58.640 --> 17:02.620 label has their own rules and they want their money and they're not going to give permission what one 17:02.620 --> 17:07.500 label does the other one may not it's the same thing with with publishing companies and books and 17:07.500 --> 17:13.280 magazines they're published by different publishing companies and i i find it a major coup if they've pulled 17:13.280 --> 17:20.720 off the ability and gotten permission from all the authors of all these different books to allow 17:20.720 --> 17:26.620 you to go in there and read a few pages of their book and given giving them authorization to view 17:26.620 --> 17:32.780 copywritten material ironic in a way that they give it to amazon but they won't to public consumers but 17:32.780 --> 17:38.720 i'm going to back off of that topic well amazon sells the books for them well true but if i mention a book 17:38.720 --> 17:43.520 on the radio right now you don't think that that might potentially be advertising for them that 17:43.520 --> 17:48.720 someone could go buy that book if i say hey go buy defensive thinking kevin mitnick you know you don't 17:48.720 --> 17:52.980 think that's a good endorsement to go buy a book well of course it's a good endorsement you're going to 17:52.980 --> 17:58.140 read half the book though on the air well no but i might read some sample pages or a few lines or at 17:58.140 --> 18:03.360 least discuss details of what it's about which is kind of the point of what amazon's doing to let you 18:03.360 --> 18:11.600 sample it and and kind of feel it out and even so look at we in in bin rev uh magazine we print book 18:11.600 --> 18:16.560 reviews and we print the cover we show the cover of the book and and um some description of what it's 18:16.560 --> 18:24.160 about a review you know it's it's i have to get permission to do all that kind of stuff really yeah 18:24.160 --> 18:30.460 so it's they have done it with everybody every publisher that's that's amazing that's that's a 18:30.460 --> 18:34.540 major accomplishment there i have to say you got to figure amazon must be making these people a lot 18:34.540 --> 18:40.800 of money yeah that's that's true and give them that sort of uh keep hey keep that thought in mind 18:40.800 --> 18:45.360 for later on in the show there's that's a little forewarning there's a little hint for you 18:45.360 --> 18:53.520 what i'm wondering is is if there's a way to exploit this like the old way that this happened was that 18:53.520 --> 18:58.380 it would you would click on it and say see inside and it would load pdf pages embedded pdf files 18:58.380 --> 19:05.460 and i think it's still doing that to a certain extent um but now it's it's hidden them a little 19:05.460 --> 19:10.640 bit better it's it's putting them in the code they're dynamically assigned but i'm still wondering 19:10.640 --> 19:14.400 it would take some time and digging as to how they're doing it but i'm wondering if it'd be 19:14.400 --> 19:21.260 possible to write a script or something to find all of the pages in a book if you knew i guess you'd 19:21.260 --> 19:24.140 have to know quite a few of the words of the book though or what quite a few 19:24.140 --> 19:31.300 hmm not sure exactly how to go about doing it but i bet you it is technically possible for you 19:31.300 --> 19:36.340 to write a script to go out there and download and save all the pages and reconstruct the entire book 19:36.340 --> 19:42.840 yeah would it would it be easy i don't know i don't know about that without looking more into it but 19:42.840 --> 19:48.260 an interesting concept nonetheless and if somebody were to do that i bet you amazon would lose their 19:48.260 --> 19:53.240 publishing rights to the copyright material you wouldn't be able to search uh key phrases out of 19:53.240 --> 19:57.840 the books anymore well you know speaking of searching key phrases out of the books that's 19:57.840 --> 20:05.600 exactly what i did that's exactly what i did you know being the hacker that i am the inquisitive mind 20:05.600 --> 20:13.140 when i realized that you could search key words and key phrases actual literal strings from the book 20:13.140 --> 20:22.580 i went out and searched you know quote the raven nevermore you know i went out and searched 20:22.580 --> 20:30.340 uh quotes from 1984 to see if they would come up but then my mind turned as it always does 20:30.340 --> 20:38.180 and you know what it's probably better to just play these for you and you'll see what i mean 20:38.180 --> 20:44.820 check these out in one movement she undid his trousers and brutally extracted his member 20:44.820 --> 20:52.340 there was an answering gasp from him then he smashed her handbag to the floor spilling out its contents 20:52.340 --> 20:59.100 i had just started getting dressed when she walked into the bedroom she was totally naked except for 20:59.100 --> 21:05.200 magazines this was the first time i had ever seen a nude woman we laid down on the bed and she began 21:05.200 --> 21:11.040 rubbing her hand all over my body he gathered the waist of her panties in his fist and drew her to 21:11.040 --> 21:18.880 the bed she fell back and he pulled down her panties with both hands tossing them to her face she shook 21:18.880 --> 21:27.520 them away sighing opening her eyes and seeing him naked hunkering beside her all right what did you 21:27.520 --> 21:33.520 think about that decoder yeah you know i knew that's what your mind would turn to well of course my mind if 21:33.520 --> 21:40.560 it's not on hacking it's on porn that's right even if it's on hacking it's always also on porn porn 21:40.560 --> 21:48.160 exactly now i actually picked some very mild statements some mild recordings from there yeah i 21:48.160 --> 21:54.720 noticed that there is some much much more obscene stuff out there and i'm not talking about the 21:54.720 --> 22:01.520 definition of obscene of of obscene i'm talking about there's some bad language some very naughty 22:01.520 --> 22:08.720 thoughts and visuals what i did now was simply take the text that amazon gave me and plug them into 22:09.280 --> 22:14.880 one of those voice synthesizing tools and had them read them aloud so that's what you heard you don't 22:14.880 --> 22:22.000 get that directly from amazon there is actually before anybody goes i'm sure listeners listening to 22:22.000 --> 22:26.320 this live might have already shot off to amazon right now and they're playing with the same thing 22:26.320 --> 22:32.240 but let me forewarn you that you do have to give you have to have an amazon account and have a credit 22:32.240 --> 22:37.520 card on file they you have to have a valid credit card there's no charges or anything to it but if you 22:37.520 --> 22:42.960 have a credit card on file i guess that's how somehow they justify allowing you to view the copywritten 22:42.960 --> 22:48.000 material maybe because what i said earlier there were somebody could write a script that would go through 22:48.000 --> 22:52.880 there as anonymous or just you know dos just pound away at it shouldn't say do i should just 22:52.880 --> 22:58.480 pound away at it through brute force and pull stuff out so i guess that's one level do that on your 22:58.480 --> 23:04.080 credit card yeah there's just one level of control probably that they've implemented once you log in if 23:04.080 --> 23:08.080 you have the valid credit card it stays in your session you don't have to redo it every time you want 23:08.080 --> 23:14.000 to look at a page and that's really that's the way a lot of adult sites work not that i would know i'm 23:14.000 --> 23:18.960 only going on what decoder told me that's the way a lot of adult sites work they figure you got to be 23:18.960 --> 23:24.960 18 to have a credit card so they make you put in a credit card number sometimes just to prove your 23:24.960 --> 23:28.480 age limit isn't that what you were telling me before the show oh yeah of course sometimes they charge you 23:28.480 --> 23:37.360 a dollar ah see exactly so um i don't know if that's was their intent i don't know if they were trying to 23:37.360 --> 23:42.880 keep kids out because like i said there there is that material there that might be questionable 23:43.520 --> 23:51.040 um or did they just want to trick people not trick people force people into adding a credit card to 23:51.040 --> 23:56.880 their account you know the more likely you are to create once you have an account and once you have 23:56.880 --> 24:02.160 a credit card there frankly you're that much more likely to order from them because a lot of the 24:02.160 --> 24:07.680 work's already done the hassles you just click on one click buy and i really think that was their 24:07.680 --> 24:12.720 intent i think that's their intent once they got your credit card and stuff on there you're that much 24:12.720 --> 24:18.240 more tempted to click on things and buy them quickly and easily whereas if you were to go to another 24:18.240 --> 24:22.640 site you would have to re-enter in a lot of that information and i'm thinking that might have been 24:22.640 --> 24:27.200 their mindset more than protecting children from the i don't even think they probably thought about 24:27.200 --> 24:31.440 prawn do you i don't think so i think it just comes down to the money yeah i don't think it ever 24:31.440 --> 24:38.160 crossed their mind i don't think it ever i think it's pure coincidence now one thing that is not 24:38.160 --> 24:45.360 coincidence and i used one bad word earlier i don't know if i'm going to be able to control anymore 24:46.640 --> 24:54.720 because my good friends at verisign are back at it again now i gave them an honorary double award 24:55.520 --> 25:01.280 was it last episode or episode before last a couple episodes ago yeah that oh they are 25:01.280 --> 25:07.440 they're complete jerks that's my that's my good word that's my not swearing word that is they're 25:07.440 --> 25:18.480 complete jerks it's so hard to say that too um to refresh your memory they tried to 25:20.640 --> 25:25.120 okay they had a feature called site finder now i know a lot of this is repetitive we talked about 25:25.120 --> 25:29.120 it before but just to bring everyone up to speed i'll give you the short version they had something 25:29.120 --> 25:34.080 called site finder we talked about it on the earlier episode but like i said it is basically 25:34.080 --> 25:42.800 their quote service to the community that was a service that helps in quotation marks again it helps 25:42.800 --> 25:49.440 you find sites if you misspell a word or enter an incorrect address so this is a service that they're 25:49.440 --> 25:56.080 providing to the internet community as whole uh well thank them yeah thank yeah we should be thanking 25:56.080 --> 26:00.480 them right we should be thanking them well i can didn't agree i can't shut them down or put them 26:00.480 --> 26:07.760 in an injunction to made them stop temporarily but um they're trying something else now i like like 26:07.760 --> 26:12.560 that wasn't enough like that wasn't enough for them they're going on with something else 26:14.160 --> 26:22.320 the biggest thing about them pulling any move is that first and foremost they're a business 26:22.320 --> 26:29.360 they're trying to make money they're in it to make money yet i don't think anybody could argue 26:30.160 --> 26:38.160 that verisign is not a complete monopoly now yes they've been broken up so that other registrars 26:38.160 --> 26:46.000 can register dot com and dot net but they are the one and only global registrar they have access and 26:46.000 --> 26:53.760 all knowledge and massive databases of every dot com and dot net on the internet so i don't know 26:53.760 --> 26:58.960 whether it could even be debated whether or not they're a monopoly well they have co-authored 26:58.960 --> 27:05.840 something called the web services policy and it's supposed to define the way that web service providers 27:05.840 --> 27:13.440 can show their requirements and capabilities web service meaning um the the direction that applications 27:13.440 --> 27:18.560 are moving is that they're going to start delivering a lot of content and a lot of programming and 27:18.560 --> 27:26.400 information over the internet so a web service provider who's trying to contact customers might 27:26.400 --> 27:31.920 have a hard time because of the vast expanse that is the internet well verisign is trying to be the 27:31.920 --> 27:38.320 middleman the broker the agent it's probably the best word the agent they want to be the the to be able 27:38.320 --> 27:44.800 to verify the claims made by the service providers they want to be the broker or the controller of 27:44.800 --> 27:51.360 this again service they love giving us great service don't they they want to be the central 27:51.360 --> 27:58.080 signing authority so they want to be there it's basically they're touting it as though it's a 27:58.080 --> 28:03.920 security feature they're going to be a signing authority that says oh we hereby authorize that so 28:03.920 --> 28:09.120 and so can do this we hereby authorize that these are the requirements of that did we not learn our 28:09.120 --> 28:15.680 lessons with these guys and girls these i almost said it these idiots these jerks did we not learn 28:15.680 --> 28:21.760 the lesson with them with the site finder i mean it's it's sickening this is another attempt at taking 28:21.760 --> 28:32.800 advantage of their existing database which again i don't know i don't know how they end up being the one 28:34.080 --> 28:39.040 and the global one with all that power and information but something has to be done well 28:39.840 --> 28:43.520 the site finder i mentioned earlier let me throw some let me throw some statistics at you 28:44.160 --> 28:49.200 in case you think lest you think i was over exaggerating this when i gave them that award 28:49.200 --> 28:54.320 recently unless you think this is a minor inconvenience or annoyance let me tell you what 28:54.320 --> 29:00.160 the bottom line on this is let me tell you the effects that this had and i'm not talking about 29:00.160 --> 29:05.440 the effects of how it jammed up a bunch of people's um email filtering and how it suddenly 29:05.440 --> 29:12.640 all bad addresses became valid ones because you got the site finder service help you know let me 29:12.640 --> 29:16.880 tell you the bottom line on this and it's the bottom line of everything else they're a business and 29:16.880 --> 29:24.960 they're trying to make money before they started site finder service they ranked verisign.com ranked 29:24.960 --> 29:33.840 135th on the overall traffic list according to media matrix that's a web traffic analysis firm 135th 29:35.840 --> 29:43.680 that's nothing that's nothing BinRev is 134th okay I'm lying I made that up but still 135th is 29:43.680 --> 29:48.400 nothing especially considering that they're the global who is they're the place you go to if you 29:48.400 --> 29:56.160 want to find out information about sites and look up registration information 135th is not is you know 29:56.640 --> 30:07.280 fine um well they activated site finder two weeks only two weeks before they finally got an injunction 30:07.280 --> 30:13.200 that said hey cut it out for two weeks they had the site finder up that intercepted every 30:13.200 --> 30:21.040 mistype every misspelling and provided this wonderful service to its users because that's 30:21.040 --> 30:26.640 what it's all about providing service and help to the users of the internet that's that's all they 30:26.640 --> 30:34.320 want to do and for two weeks they helped us oh and conveniently they helped themselves jump from 135th 30:34.320 --> 30:47.200 two weeks mind you not even the full month two weeks jumped from 135th to 11th 11th most visited site 30:47.200 --> 30:54.240 on the internet for two weeks of site finder that is insane now let me remind you that there's advertising 30:54.240 --> 31:02.800 and click throughs and they make money every time somebody hits site finder they jumped a staggering 120 31:02.800 --> 31:10.320 points come on you've got to be kidding me 124 points in two with two weeks of traffic what if that 31:10.320 --> 31:14.880 would have gone the full month it would have been number one i mean i don't see how they could have been 31:14.880 --> 31:22.880 i don't i would love to see i know i wouldn't i would love to see them get a boot in their ass that's 31:22.880 --> 31:27.280 what i'd love to see darn it i did it i knew i couldn't resist you know what their slogan is right 31:27.280 --> 31:34.960 please enlighten me the value of trust uh well you know when i think of internet when i think of 31:34.960 --> 31:41.760 trust i think of verisign me too i don't know how you couldn't well exactly oh no i'm sorry i 31:41.760 --> 31:47.840 meant mistrust i meant mistrust i'm sorry that was my mistake um you know who let me tell 31:47.840 --> 31:54.080 let me put it in perspective for people do you know what 11th on the list of most visits is you know 31:54.080 --> 32:00.480 you know who your company is on that you're in company with disney disney.com now you know that's 32:00.480 --> 32:06.480 a huge one you know tons of disney gets tons of hits amazon.com you mentioned earlier i told you 32:06.480 --> 32:13.280 that would come back later in the show amazon.com is up there around 12 13 somewhere like that that's 32:13.280 --> 32:19.360 up there with the disneys and amazons of the internet verisign.com are you kidding me site finder 32:19.360 --> 32:26.080 come on now if they would have gone for a full month like you said they could have been number 32:26.080 --> 32:29.760 one they would have easily been in the top five but they very well could have been number one now 32:31.920 --> 32:37.200 could any other company have done that is there any other company that you can think of 32:37.840 --> 32:43.040 that could have made that leap in a period of two weeks and possibly jumped up to the number one in a 32:43.040 --> 32:51.520 period of a month is there any other company on the planet that could do that non-porn uh porn 32:51.520 --> 33:00.160 included porn included porn included there is no porn in the top 10 really yep surprising there's no 33:00.160 --> 33:05.200 porn in the yeah that is surprising but still i'm sure that there's several in problem probably in the 33:05.200 --> 33:10.560 top 100 but you know i'm sure between 11 and 135 they have to wade through a lot of porn exactly i think 33:10.560 --> 33:19.120 you're right um no other company can do it that is the absolute definition of a monopoly 33:19.120 --> 33:25.200 who gave these guys authority i whoever they need to take the authority away that's the whole problem 33:25.200 --> 33:31.760 if we can't trust them this is that we can't trust them with the site finder and with just shutting 33:31.760 --> 33:36.640 up and doing their job as a registrar how can we trust them to be the central signing authority for 33:36.640 --> 33:42.240 web providing web service providers it's ridiculous i tell you what let me i'm gonna i'm gonna put you 33:42.240 --> 33:46.720 on the spot here it's not very much it's pretty actually you'll probably get a couple you might 33:46.720 --> 33:51.680 get all five of these do you know what the top five most visited sites on the internet are google's 33:51.680 --> 33:57.280 gotta be one of them all right google is one of them google is actually number five that's number five 33:57.280 --> 34:06.160 number five is google no porn on the list oh you said that before no porn on the list yahoo yahoo is 34:06.160 --> 34:14.880 number three three number three you're you you'll you'll slap yourself in the head when i tell you 34:14.880 --> 34:19.520 tell me number one uh i tell you what no i'll tell you number four let's go up the list google was number 34:19.520 --> 34:26.080 five number four ebay oh okay yeah ebay yeah exactly see when you hear them it's like oh yeah of course 34:26.080 --> 34:31.440 course number three you said yahoo powered by google ironically so that's basically double the 34:31.440 --> 34:38.400 hits for google but um number two oh i just love to say these words i love the way they rolled off my 34:38.400 --> 34:43.940 tongue aol time warner yeah i do yeah you know how can they not be you know they force that page on 34:43.940 --> 34:49.580 every aol user not to mention every aim user then you would disc in the mail every two days you know 34:49.580 --> 34:55.280 and they probably count if you use aim and it has that little ad up at the top of aim they probably 34:55.280 --> 35:00.960 count those as hits or something who knowing them and number one you know take another guess 35:00.960 --> 35:07.120 again think about it again nothing to do with microsoft there you go microsoft number one site 35:07.920 --> 35:13.680 and that makes clear sense too because all the operating systems it defaults to i don't know if 35:13.680 --> 35:20.240 that includes msn or if it's just microsoft.com it just says the company name so i don't know if that 35:20.240 --> 35:25.360 includes all of them i would imagine it does probably their entire exactly because every 35:25.360 --> 35:32.880 time you have that ie it defaults to msn.com you know every windows update you go to hotmail exactly 35:32.880 --> 35:37.840 this is the fine company that verisign found themselves in exactly exactly they could have 35:37.840 --> 35:41.600 leapfrogged right on up there which they could have they could have been comfortably sandwiched in 35:41.600 --> 35:50.400 between microsoft and aol what great company to be in we love you verisign oh god i hate verisign 35:50.400 --> 35:56.560 if you want to see a cool picture uh www.fuckverisign.com 35:56.560 --> 36:00.560 oh not we're not talking about fuck verizon.com 36:00.560 --> 36:05.760 no no no verisign.com yeah all right we'll have to check that out i'm sure our listeners are 36:05.760 --> 36:12.720 scampering to that right now um so i don't i don't think there's really anything more that needs 36:12.720 --> 36:18.720 to be said i think everybody knows what a bunch of idiots these people are do not give them any more 36:18.720 --> 36:26.320 power do not give them any more responsibility push them to the side start putting limits on what 36:26.320 --> 36:32.320 they can do and what they have access to and hell investigate them for god's sakes they're a monopoly 36:32.320 --> 36:40.480 monopoly they are a monopoly plain and simple so don't give them more power take it away from 36:40.480 --> 36:46.080 them right just take it away don't give them anything else they can't handle the responsibility 36:46.080 --> 36:51.840 that they have they just out you know they did that out of the blue yeah just one day they just said 36:51.840 --> 36:58.640 hey i know what we can do let's screw the internet as a whole and all of its users it's the value of 36:58.640 --> 37:05.040 trust oh god we've got to trust them providing us a service you know yeah maybe maybe i don't know 37:05.040 --> 37:09.840 what's good for me maybe they know what's good for me better than i do that's it um i may think that 37:09.840 --> 37:14.960 it's an annoyance to have that site up and yeah it may just pretty much screw up all of my filtering 37:14.960 --> 37:21.360 software anything that depends on return codes see they miss this whole idea of return codes from a 37:21.360 --> 37:27.520 programming standpoint you have to depend on return codes good or bad and when you get a return code 37:27.520 --> 37:34.240 that the site is bad you have programs that revolve around that and suddenly oops it's not bad 37:34.240 --> 37:41.200 anymore sorry we single-handedly screwed up every piece of software that you've ever written it oh god 37:41.920 --> 37:45.840 they mentioned something about that in their little faq on their website you know it's like 37:46.560 --> 37:51.440 i think that had a bigger effect than any y2k bug ever could have oh yeah most definitely i want their 37:52.800 --> 37:55.280 and they still want to do it that's the other thing they haven't let go 37:56.080 --> 37:59.280 they're still fighting they think that they're entitled they think they're allowed to do that 37:59.840 --> 38:04.640 i can't stop them they were given an injunction to take it offline because of the damage that it was 38:04.640 --> 38:09.200 done they didn't clear it with anyone or authorize it with anyone they didn't have to they're verisign 38:11.360 --> 38:16.160 they didn't have to authorize it with anyone well they were told to take it down 38:16.960 --> 38:22.800 they did but they still are fighting to bring it back up they're trying to go through the system and 38:22.800 --> 38:27.680 force and say we're allowed to do this we are allowed to make money other companies do this blah 38:27.680 --> 38:31.760 blah blah you know and i mentioned on that when we talked about this in the previous show sure 38:31.760 --> 38:37.040 microsoft does this if you misspell something it searches microsoft.com on your behalf you might not 38:37.040 --> 38:42.480 even know it sometimes you set up a default search engine in ie and it goes there and searches anytime 38:42.480 --> 38:47.920 you misspell or something like that but at least you have control over that you can go in there and 38:47.920 --> 38:51.520 change the search engine you can go in there and take it out if you really wanted to and not have 38:51.520 --> 38:57.600 it searched by if you misspell something but you don't have that kind of control when verisign takes 38:57.600 --> 39:05.600 it upon themselves to change the infrastructure the fucking internet oh i i couldn't help i couldn't do 39:05.600 --> 39:09.120 it it's not just your browser with whatever browser you're using or anything else 39:09.120 --> 39:18.240 what you're doing you're gonna see verisign yeah yeah it's you know all i can if verisign really 39:18.240 --> 39:24.160 thinks they can do this and get away with it i mean they're dumber they're dumber than a sack of hammers 39:24.720 --> 39:30.560 i i don't know what else anyway let's move on to something that's not going to make me cuss this 39:30.560 --> 39:34.880 actually kind of makes me laugh um this has been talked about in the forums and it's not necessarily 39:34.880 --> 39:40.000 new news but valve has sprung a leak valve of course are the people that make half-life the 39:40.000 --> 39:45.360 the video game i guess computer game is the proper terminology to call it video game or 39:45.360 --> 39:50.080 is that only referred to like the arcade stand-up things i'm old school i call it a video game yeah 39:50.080 --> 39:54.240 i do too i'm wondering if i'm going to get you know i'm going to ask c4 and the guys over at gamer 39:54.240 --> 39:59.120 am i allowed to say video game and referring to a pc game or do i have to differentiate these days i 39:59.120 --> 40:04.640 don't know what's the proper etiquette there but anyway the game half-life um someone hacked 40:04.640 --> 40:10.320 into the server apparently and stole some of the source code and it's been circulating on 40:10.320 --> 40:15.360 the web for i don't know what has it been a month now maybe longer a little bit over a month over a 40:15.360 --> 40:23.040 month and i haven't seen any binaries anywhere yet have you no i don't know i haven't seen anybody 40:23.040 --> 40:29.760 compile it or get it working or anything like that so frankly i don't know what the i mean i guess i 40:29.760 --> 40:33.840 know what the big deal is i'm not condoning what happened or anything like that you know breaking 40:33.840 --> 40:39.360 into the server and stealing the source code but i haven't really seen any damage per se 40:40.640 --> 40:45.200 and i think they overblown like every other company that gets hacked into they probably blew 40:45.200 --> 40:51.120 it out of proportion what happened they might have gotten a couple little modules obviously not enough 40:51.120 --> 40:58.240 to compile the whole game because it's not out there yet so we don't know what they got i've seen 40:58.240 --> 41:02.800 some of the code floating around i don't know the details of of how much it covers and what it does 41:02.800 --> 41:08.800 but um i don't think it's such a big deal now i get a magazine called game developer magazine yet 41:08.800 --> 41:15.360 another one that i subscribe to one of the many and the editorial this issue i think it's quarterly 41:16.000 --> 41:22.720 the editorial this issue was about valve and about people stealing the source code and 41:22.720 --> 41:28.400 you know i like i said i don't guess there's really much debate on that if someone broke into 41:28.400 --> 41:36.560 their server now i would debate that if you had it that insecure to begin with you kind of were asking 41:36.560 --> 41:41.760 for it i'm not condoning it but i'm saying i understand it you kind of did something stupid 41:41.760 --> 41:48.800 and now you're paying the price for it but the editor of this magazine wrote this whiny whiny whiny 41:48.800 --> 41:56.960 editorial about anybody who looks at that code is stealing now anyone who just looks at it anybody 41:56.960 --> 42:02.960 who looks at it now if you're a third fourth party removed somebody comes in and posts it in the forums 42:02.960 --> 42:08.400 if you find it on another ftp site somewhere and look at it that you are in turn stealing 42:09.600 --> 42:12.720 now i don't know i this this could be an interesting debate i don't know 42:12.720 --> 42:19.360 really how to address that topic is that stealing i wouldn't say that that's stealing 42:19.360 --> 42:24.800 just looking at it yeah if the person who took it is stealing well and that's that like i said i agree 42:24.800 --> 42:32.560 with that the original person who took that is probably stealing again i can understand it i'm not 42:32.560 --> 42:37.200 saying it was justified right or wrong or anything like that but i mean let's just call it like it is 42:37.200 --> 42:42.480 now once it's out there and i'm not going to repeat everybody knows my favorite saying about the horse 42:42.480 --> 42:49.120 but once it's out there you can't stop it and that's something the mp the mpaa and the ria haven't 42:49.120 --> 42:54.640 figured out yet once it's out there it's it's going to spread and for you to sit there and call 42:54.640 --> 43:00.480 everybody that might look at that code i hell i'm just curious now that it's out there i'm like hey it's 43:00.480 --> 43:06.240 out why not look at it i'm curious i want to see what it's about let me see i've seen the demos of it 43:06.240 --> 43:12.720 it's a phenomenal engine phenomenal i mean just jaw dropping i don't know if you've seen the demo 43:12.720 --> 43:19.680 that's circulating but it's amazing and i'm going to buy no matter what happens no matter if there's 43:19.680 --> 43:25.520 a free somebody compiles it and whatever i'm going to buy half-life 2 the day it comes out undoubtedly 43:25.520 --> 43:31.840 it's incredible absolutely incredible i want to learn i want to see how it was written i want to see what 43:31.840 --> 43:40.240 it does i don't have the time or the energy or the the the know-how frankly to take the code and 43:40.240 --> 43:45.440 write my own game and steal it i first of all i wouldn't do that you know it is not intended to be 43:45.440 --> 43:51.680 open source it became open source accidentally but it wasn't intended to be so i don't know that's 43:51.680 --> 43:57.200 that's interesting if anybody has a different opinion or wants to write in and mention or talk about 43:57.200 --> 44:03.840 that by all means send us a letter letters at BinRev dot com but i don't like a magazine editor 44:04.400 --> 44:10.560 calling me a thief that's what i don't like he's a moron exactly i mean i saw only like a little bit 44:10.560 --> 44:16.320 of a one code of one module and i could hardly tell what it was i could tell what it was doing but i 44:16.320 --> 44:21.520 couldn't follow the details of how it was doing it so i don't think that makes me think you know 44:21.520 --> 44:26.080 i'm trying i'm just trying to learn how you're a thief i think i think i don't know you cross the 44:26.080 --> 44:31.200 line of being a thief or stealing if you actually try to use that code i think there should be a 44:31.920 --> 44:37.920 you know and that you can't prove intent you know intent is just such a difficult word to define 44:39.760 --> 44:45.040 yeah my intent is to learn exactly my intent is to see what it's all about my intent is not to 44:45.040 --> 44:51.920 use it for my own gains you know here's here's where i would see here's what i would call somebody 44:51.920 --> 44:56.240 stealing or call say somebody cross the line if they took all that source code and were selling 44:56.240 --> 45:01.840 cds on the internet of it yeah that's the thing or compiling it making money off of it exactly 45:02.400 --> 45:07.920 with all this with with uh mp3s and movies and everything else if you're not making money off of 45:07.920 --> 45:13.200 it i don't see what the big deal is you know yeah well you know and that's just i guess because 45:13.200 --> 45:22.240 so many of us just have that open source mindset you know i mean i can feel for them 45:22.880 --> 45:28.240 you should have secured your server better frankly that's just not locked down you know you really 45:28.240 --> 45:32.720 should have secured it better that somebody walks right in and took it i feel for you that it was 45:32.720 --> 45:38.640 stolen but i you know again i understand i say i say you kind of brought it on yourself for doing 45:38.640 --> 45:43.520 and half-assed and you get what you pay for you know you get what you deserve that's not condoning 45:43.520 --> 45:48.320 it don't misunderstand here's a very fine line between them nobody secures anything until they 45:48.320 --> 45:56.480 get hacked yeah and yeah what's done is done it's done it's over with now they're they've also released 45:56.480 --> 46:01.280 a couple statements here and they're whining themselves about oh now we're going to push back 46:01.280 --> 46:05.200 the due date we're going to push back the release date we're not going to come out on time and we have 46:05.200 --> 46:10.320 to rewrite all this and that no why yeah for what reason to make it look different from what's already 46:10.320 --> 46:15.920 out there now it's just to make make it look worse make it look like you know they probably were going 46:15.920 --> 46:20.000 to postpone it anyway it's already been postponed a couple times yeah you know i don't think it's 46:20.000 --> 46:23.680 been you know i think it's behind schedule already and now they just have an excuse to push it back 46:23.680 --> 46:28.160 further although i think i also heard recently that they reneged on that and said they are going to 46:28.160 --> 46:33.520 release it on time after all but i don't know anyway somebody i'm sure can write in and correct me on 46:33.520 --> 46:40.000 that um but and and the other thing is hell why not release it as early as possible before people 46:40.000 --> 46:45.600 do decompile it and start coming up with it the sooner you release it people are going to be like 46:45.600 --> 46:50.080 why am i going to bother to try to work and bust my ass to compile this when i can buy it now 46:50.080 --> 46:55.200 well the problem with that is that would make sense well i and you know so many companies seem to miss 46:55.200 --> 47:03.280 that yeah oh god well and here this this editor in the magazine which is why i brought this up this 47:03.280 --> 47:04.560 editor she mentioned 47:08.320 --> 47:14.720 i don't know see any of these real world analogies these metaphors they never work out right she 47:14.720 --> 47:18.160 likened it to finding a wallet full of money on the street 47:18.160 --> 47:25.760 okay and how does that make everyone else stealing exactly it's like okay so first of all you're 47:25.760 --> 47:31.760 talking about finding something as opposed to a going in and stealing something from a server or b 47:33.120 --> 47:39.120 somebody giving you code after it's been circulated on the net so it's not even always going to be the 47:39.120 --> 47:47.120 same you know so it first of all that's a little peculiar right there if i find money in the street i i 47:47.120 --> 47:52.160 have to say i am a pretty honest person if i find money i'm going to look around and try to find out 47:52.160 --> 47:58.080 who it belongs to i really i would well depending on how much money was in there of course but no for 47:58.080 --> 48:01.280 the most part i would try to find out who it is i mean you find it in a restaurant you're going to 48:01.280 --> 48:05.200 give it to the restaurant and say hey somebody might have left this in here i found this under 48:05.200 --> 48:09.360 the table something like that i'm honest i've done it before you know it's guys in the restaurant 48:09.360 --> 48:12.880 i'll just take it so you can feel better about yourself well true there you go there you go but you're 48:12.880 --> 48:19.440 you're off the hook but this is not that's a terrible metaphor because that is a physical 48:19.440 --> 48:24.800 thing that is a wallet that is a thing of money what am i supposed to do email valve and go hey 48:24.800 --> 48:29.520 look what i found here's all your code here i'm going to mail it all back to you yeah right i mean 48:29.520 --> 48:35.040 i can't return it it's out there they can't make these real world analogies exactly the internet they have 48:35.040 --> 48:43.760 to change their way of thinking this is not the old world all these old laws and mindsets of 48:44.480 --> 48:49.040 how things work and all these analogies people want to make they're not they don't work anymore 48:49.040 --> 48:54.160 it's a whole different thing okay i find the code somewhere and i email it back to valve what does that 48:54.160 --> 48:59.920 solve the wallet i can give back to the person they have all their stuff back their driver's license 48:59.920 --> 49:05.200 their money minus a few dollars finder fee um all their personal information they get all that stuff 49:05.200 --> 49:11.520 back what does valve get back it's too late yeah the damage is done i mean i don't know what what they 49:11.520 --> 49:19.600 expect to happen you know i don't either i don't either so um i i i didn't appreciate that editorial too 49:19.600 --> 49:25.360 much i thought it was a waste and i think once again they're trying to use hackers as a scapegoat now 49:25.360 --> 49:30.800 at the same time i can see that there's some validity there because someone did break into 49:30.800 --> 49:38.880 their server and i don't belittle that i don't undermine that so i guess somewhat hackers brought 49:38.880 --> 49:43.360 a bad name on themselves for doing it but they don't need to make it worse 49:46.640 --> 49:51.760 anyway what magazine was this again i'm sorry what magazine was this again this is it's called game 49:51.760 --> 49:58.240 developer magazine game developer right which ironically posts bits and pieces of source 49:58.240 --> 50:03.920 code to some games in it as examples which they they might have released more code than and then was 50:03.920 --> 50:11.840 stolen most likely but then again they sell games well yeah they sell magazines i don't know if they sell 50:11.840 --> 50:16.080 games well you know what i mean yeah advertising and everything else well yeah they definitely definitely 50:16.080 --> 50:22.240 do that that's where the money's at yeah well and i and like i said i i'm gonna buy half-life too 50:23.120 --> 50:27.600 undoubtedly i've seen you have you i forgot you said you did or did not see the demo for that i 50:27.600 --> 50:36.560 have not seen it i mean the physics model in this game is amazing amazing um gosh i wish i had a url to 50:36.560 --> 50:42.800 give out um maybe by the time the show notes come out or by the time we put this up for upload i'll find 50:42.800 --> 50:50.960 a url to the demo to the avi that shows off some of the features the engine itself the lighting 50:50.960 --> 50:59.040 model modules the um the the rendering and i mean again the biggest thing to me was the physics model 51:00.000 --> 51:06.880 it's amazing the way they put in i guess for lack of a better word traps there are places where like 51:06.880 --> 51:12.640 there'll be an alleyway and it's it's reminiscent of the scene from indiana jones where the boulder comes 51:12.640 --> 51:19.280 rolling down at them you can in this game set those kind of things up or see that they're already 51:19.280 --> 51:26.640 set up for you and you see a bunch of uh whatever enemies down in the alleyway and instead of going 51:26.640 --> 51:32.880 down and having a big firefight like typical with most games you may notice that there's a uh i don't 51:32.880 --> 51:39.360 know a fire escape that's hanging loose so you try to shoot down shoot the bolt that's holding it 51:39.360 --> 51:44.880 together and dropped it on their heads um there was one that was like a pachinko machine if you know 51:44.880 --> 51:51.040 what that is um where you knock out one peg and all of a sudden all these barrels start falling down 51:51.680 --> 51:58.160 and as a real world physics model by which they fall and it's just amazing the things that you can do 51:58.160 --> 52:05.200 you have to play angles and and it just adds such an element of strategy to the game 52:06.400 --> 52:12.960 and you can pick things up heavy things boxes stuff like that in the demo you'll see a thing with a 52:12.960 --> 52:18.800 mattress that's incredible and you can take this mattress and throw it on somebody and trap them 52:18.800 --> 52:23.360 under it because it's too heavy the thing where the mattress hits the water and floats on the water 52:23.360 --> 52:28.720 for a little while begins to soak water up and then sinks it's a full real world physics model and 52:28.720 --> 52:34.400 it's incredible it's incredible and i i'm gonna buy it the day it comes out well maybe not the day it 52:34.400 --> 52:42.000 comes out but pretty quickly after it comes out and i'm not even a big gamer i'm gonna have to check 52:42.000 --> 52:50.080 this out now yeah it's very i'll find a url somewhere and post it into the show notes and um you know 52:50.080 --> 52:54.880 what that's probably a good stopping point um did you have anything else you wanted to add to any of 52:54.880 --> 53:00.800 those i didn't mean to just keep right on talking non-stop but i have a tendency to do that i think 53:00.800 --> 53:09.280 we pretty much covered everything yeah on those points um there is one thing actually i want to close 53:09.280 --> 53:19.200 out the show with there's been a lot of um i don't even know how to properly word this actually 53:19.200 --> 53:30.480 there's been a lot of people lately who've posted in the forums and are having real world problems 53:30.480 --> 53:37.280 myself included i mean i've talked about my job situation on the show before and you know it's 53:37.280 --> 53:42.240 frustrating but you got to go on with your day-to-day lives and everything and there's people in the 53:42.240 --> 53:48.480 forums i know especially especially some of the people that are still in high school or even college 53:50.080 --> 53:59.440 that have bad days i guess no other way to put it it's um it's very important 53:59.440 --> 54:03.440 to separate 54:05.440 --> 54:16.000 your life online or your your existence online a forum is just a forum you know there's more to life than a 54:16.000 --> 54:23.920 hacking forum there's more to life than a hacking radio show there's more to life than even life itself 54:23.920 --> 54:32.560 sometimes and people lately i'm just kind of concerned as people who are getting down 54:34.000 --> 54:43.600 about their real world situation and i really don't know i know this kind of sounds corny and 54:43.600 --> 54:53.280 i'm not exactly sure what i'm trying to say here i guess but don't let anything anything in this world 54:54.800 --> 54:56.320 bring you down to the point 54:58.480 --> 55:07.760 where you're considering changing your life or not going on with your life that's not a solution to 55:07.760 --> 55:17.840 things um bad things happen to everybody bad things happen to good people bad things happen to bad 55:17.840 --> 55:25.600 people bad things happen it's part of life the difference is how you deal with things and how you get through 55:25.600 --> 55:36.880 things and who you get through things with and i'm concerned that some people may be 55:38.320 --> 55:43.280 getting too down on themselves and too down on their situation and not looking at it for what it is 55:45.040 --> 55:50.400 you can have a bad day at school you can have a bad year at school lord knows i have 55:50.400 --> 55:57.360 you can have bad things happen in your life you can financially struggle you can have your website 55:57.360 --> 56:04.960 shut down you can have physical problems health problems all of these things can be overcome 56:06.880 --> 56:12.080 so i know this has nothing to do with hacking i know this is you know binary revolution all hacking 56:12.080 --> 56:19.520 all the time but i wanted to get this word in there bad things happen but there are people in this world 56:19.520 --> 56:23.280 that care there are people in this world that will help you through sometimes 56:24.960 --> 56:29.680 surprising people sometimes people you don't know and a lot of people in the forums are there 56:30.720 --> 56:38.320 will help i know everyone in ddp is willing to help when stuff goes on stuff goes on and bad things happen 56:39.040 --> 56:44.480 so don't ever give up on life or give up on things that are going on 56:44.480 --> 56:51.360 and i guess from i guess that's really i don't i don't even know i'm not going to come up with some 56:51.360 --> 56:56.400 wise saying and i'm not trying to but anybody listening to the show that is having stuff like 56:56.400 --> 57:01.600 that go on in your life just go through it you will get through it you will work through it we will help 57:01.600 --> 57:05.920 you people will help you get through it so i'm not pointing that to anybody in specific i'm just 57:05.920 --> 57:11.440 throwing that out there and i guess that's really all i have to say um but i i as long as we're on that 57:11.440 --> 57:16.000 topic i'm also going to segue i guess right into the shouts dakota did you want to shout out to 57:16.000 --> 57:22.960 anybody yeah shout out to mute mute most definitely yep yep mute is um mentioned that he might actually 57:22.960 --> 57:28.960 be giving a um presentation i think he he said something about that really yeah i think i don't 57:28.960 --> 57:32.800 know what about and i haven't talked to him in a couple days now but i'll i'll find out about that 57:33.360 --> 57:39.440 um but i i also i'm going to give out shout outs to in theory um he was actually going to be on the 57:39.440 --> 57:44.960 show this week and when he's ready well he'll be on the show you know whenever he wants to in the 57:44.960 --> 57:50.640 future as well so i'm going to shout out to in theory and his family and and send my condolences 57:51.360 --> 57:57.040 um i'm sorry for what's going on in your life i know bad things are happening but you know how to 57:57.040 --> 58:03.680 get in touch with me you know i'm here you need anything give me a call um so that's that's pretty 58:03.680 --> 58:08.480 much um that's pretty much the show for this week uh decoder do you have any other shots you wanted to 58:08.480 --> 58:16.480 give out yeah shout out to lucky 225 everybody used to call the socal everybody you were pretty 58:16.480 --> 58:22.160 much single-handedly the socal weren't you yeah me lucky lakutis a few other people 58:23.040 --> 58:30.080 scott and still are i got shut down actually oh yeah horrible thing i wish there was another 58:30.080 --> 58:34.480 one that we could count on regularly yeah shout out to lakutis too for hooking up the void bridge 58:34.480 --> 58:41.040 you got going now all right voice over IP hooked up on asterisk and everything good good deal all 58:41.040 --> 58:46.560 right well i guess we're going to close it up our time is up and we got a stream very soon so um 58:46.560 --> 58:51.520 if you have feedback i mentioned earlier but again the email is letters at BinRev.com 58:52.240 --> 58:57.520 and we're going to close today the closing music since tomorrow is the opening 58:57.520 --> 59:04.320 of matrix revolutions and third and final matrix movie we're going to close out with a group called 59:04.320 --> 59:15.520 matrix uh the song called digital and that's it so decoder tell everybody how we end the show until next 59:15.520 --> 59:38.240 week same hack time 59:38.240 --> 01:00:08.220 Thank you. 01:00:08.240 --> 01:00:38.220 Thank you. 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