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Good evening, good evening ladies and gentlemen, hackers and crackers, freaks and geeks.
You are listening to Binary Revolution Radio episode 20, originally aired on November 18th, Tuesday in 2003.
And that's the first time I think I've ever opened the show by actually stating the date, the original air date.
So we're breaking new ground today, but when it comes to guest hosts, we're breaking old ground.
We're bringing back one of our favorite guests and longtime co-host of Radio Freak America, the one and only Bland Inquisitor.
I'm here. I'm here. I'm queer. Deal with it.
You know, you set me up with outtakes like that. I mean, I gotta save that for a clip show or like that little gag I played on Duel that one time.
Oh, yeah, about the old protein shot.
Yeah, I might have to just save that one and, um, matter of fact, I might just go out in the street and record some other good stuff to go along with it.
Yeah. Anyway, as we said, this is Binary Revolution Radio episode 20 and we do have an action-packed show today.
We really do. We got a lot of stuff to hit this week.
Um, first of all, I think I'm going to go ahead and bring up our distributed.net team.
We have been around, I think, 20, 21 strong now for a month or two at least.
Everybody pitching in a little bit here and there.
Um, I know In Theory's been putting up some huge numbers and may overtake me in the standings,
and I've been doing it for several months longer than him, and he's putting up some big numbers.
Um, but even if you can't put up a lot, even if you don't have multiple machines to put to it,
just, um, put it on even whatever machine you got.
And even if you only upload once a month or once every couple weeks, every little bit helps.
We are, last I checked, which was a couple days ago, I think we were around 325th place or something like that,
which is right up there with a lot of other people.
There's a lot of computing power, even though it's several of us who only use it on our computers at home.
So, we have enough people now that we're actually climbing in the rankings slowly but surely.
Where in the past, we had been slowly falling a few times.
We're actually climbing maybe one, let one or two points each week or two.
So, if you haven't already, go to distributed.net, and there's actually a link on the front page of binrev.com,
and there's plenty of information in the Stank Dog Forums and the Dog House.
You can check out, there's a special thread for it to get information on setting it up or help or anything like that.
But, join Team DDP and let's crack those keys.
Now, excuse me for coughing on the radio, but we got an email also from Byte Stealer.
Very cool name, I like that a lot.
He reminded me, see last week, Bland, we, Rax and I, did our Matrix special.
And I know you haven't listened to it yet, but we talked about the Matrix and what we thought about the movie.
And actually, I think we were in conjunction.
I think, if I remember right, you liked it a lot, too.
I loved it.
It was one of the best movies ever.
Yeah, see, I thought it was really cool, too.
I liked it a lot, and so did Rax.
And that was what last week's episode was mainly about.
That's what the main topic was.
And so we talked about a lot of things and how immersive it is and how many things that it entails as far as movies and video games and anime and blah, blah, blah.
Well, Byte Stealer emailed and reminded me that I also left out the Matrix online comic.
They actually have an online comic.
And there's probably a printed one as well.
I don't know for sure if they have a printed comic, but I would imagine a big title like that,
a big headline grabber like Matrix would probably sell comics as well.
Are there novels?
Do they have books?
No, I've never seen any of them.
Do they have any fiction novels?
No, I think if they didn't, they should.
But I think they made a graphic novel of the first movie.
Hmm.
Well, and you know what?
Now, if the movies are done, which, again, we can only assume they are,
if the movies are done, there are a lot of, boy, I coughed right on the microphone again,
there are a lot of loose ends and a lot of stories that they can clean up and tie up now through novels.
And like all of the characters that they've introduced,
they can easily follow up on them with books or novels or even, you know, follow the ships or something in their crew.
There's really a lot of different, there's a lot of fiction, a lot of science fiction that can be written in novels from this
that can branch off and then be in the Matrix world.
And let me just add here that I have two favorite villains in all of film and literature and all of that.
My two favorite villains are...
The Wicked Witch.
No, no, no.
They are Zorg from The Fifth Element.
He is just, he is a great villain.
Zorg?
Yeah.
Is that the one Chris Tucker played?
Oh, no.
That's the one that Gary Oldman played.
Right.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, I gotcha.
He is my favorite villain of all time.
My second favorite villain of all time is definitely the Merovingian.
I don't know if he was really a villain.
Yeah, but he, well, he still, he played an adversarial role.
I mean, definitely.
And, you know...
I don't know.
I don't know if I would go, I don't know if I'd go so far as to call him a villain.
He just had, he was a, he wasn't the nicest of guys doing his trade that he had.
But I think he was, I don't know, I guess, yeah, I guess kind of.
I guess I can see that.
He just, he has that quality that, uh...
He was a businessman.
Yeah, and that's what's so awesome.
It's like, it's almost like a really, really off juxtaposition of, of, uh, Al Pacino and the Godfather.
I mean, you know, you're a businessman, but you are just really tearing things up in ways people don't understand, you know?
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Um, and he made some mean pie.
Oh, he made some hecka pie.
Yeah.
Ooh, hecka.
I like, see, I was, I was almost going to go with that, but...
He made some mean pie.
That's all I got to say.
Yowza.
Yeah.
You know what?
They're funnier, even without the squaring, because we have to go with all these other words.
I think it's funnier.
I think it's funnier this way.
Yeah, it is pretty funnier.
You have to really expand your vocabulary.
Exactly.
I'm getting better, I have to say.
I'm going to make it through this episode again.
I made it last week without it, but that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
And, um, anybody listening to the live stream might think otherwise.
Hint, hint.
Um, but, I think I'm going to make it.
I got some stuff up here that might get me stirred up.
I'm going to try to control it, but I think I can make it again.
We'll, I guess we'll see.
Um, so that was it for the email this week.
Actually, I did, I got a few emails of people saying they, they agreed, they felt the same
way about the Matrix, and, uh, some people in the forums, I think, said that.
Obviously, there were some others that did not like it, so, hey, it takes all kinds.
You know, it's, um, not going to like everything.
I'm sure there's some people that didn't like Star Wars.
I know I didn't like the new ones.
I think they just, I'm not even going to go there.
You know what?
I'm just not even going to go there.
Yeah, you better, the sleeping dogs lie on that one.
Yeah, all I'm saying is, they should have stopped after two.
That's all I have to say about that.
Ewoks, come on, really?
Ewoks?
Yeah, you know.
Come on.
That was a, that was a two and a half hour toy commercial is what that movie was.
And so was episode one, and so was episode two.
Yep.
Episode two was better, but episode one was a big video game commercial.
It was a big Jar Jar fist.
It was just, yeah.
Yeah.
Let's just leave that one.
That was just, yeah.
Yeah, I will, I'll make a mistake in another mulligan if I start talking about Jar Jar.
Exactly.
We already took one to start the show with, because you made me laugh.
Um, yeah, episode three.
Okay, and that, plus, that's the other thing.
I don't know which episode is which now.
Okay, listen, I'm calling them the way I'm going to call them,
and I don't care what George Lucas calls them.
Um, episode three with the Ewoks, and episode one, which is the new series,
which I know is not even makes sense for a numbering scheme,
but the new one with little, little, uh, Darth Vader riding around in his,
his, uh, beat up, uh, hoopty spaceship that somehow can defeat everyone else
who's been trained and hasn't never,
those movies together don't even get five out of ten from, in my book.
Anyway.
They're, they're pretty poor.
Yeah, they, they were sad.
Sad, sad, sad movie.
So, email me, letters at benarev.com, tell me, you know, I know there's Star Trek,
Star Wars, oh, what, oh, no, did I commit the mortal sin?
Yeah, you did.
Oh, what, they, you know what, seriously, the Star Trek movies don't do much for me either.
They really don't.
That's another myth.
Not all hackers are into the whole Star Wars, wait a minute, Star Trek thing,
a Star Wars, I mean, hey, I'm still cool to let, look at Seven of Iron all day long,
don't get me wrong, but I really don't care if she's a Borg or if she's, what, what's the
giraffe neck girl?
The giraffe neck girl used to be hot, I don't know what happened to her, and the dude who
sleeps in a bucket, he was pretty cool.
I don't know about any of that, man.
Star Trek The Next Generation is like the best show on television, and I don't even care
that it, it just happens to be on a, on a spaceship called the Enterprise, I don't even
care about all that, it's just a rad show.
Yeah, I, I like it, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I dislike it, but I just don't memorize
all the, you know, like they make, make all these fanboys out to know every episode
and who starred in this, and, oh no, wait a minute, Odo could never sleep in a bucket
because the silly putty form might cause him to stick to the nolium siding, and I don't
know that.
Yeah.
I think it's cool that he sleeps in a bucket, but that's pretty much it.
And more to the point, I don't care to know.
Yeah, truthfully, yeah, I mean.
I don't care to know if he, you know, modify the phase variance on the, you know, urinal cake
in the Enterprise C or whatever, I don't care.
Yeah, yeah, they do have, they have cool characters, I like, I like the giraffe neck
chick who had a slug living inside of her, and then it left, I don't want to know how
it got out of her body, and went into someone else and turned them into a giraffe neck, I
don't know if it turns them into, you know what, never mind, I'm going to get a bunch
of email of people trying to explain Star Trek and Star Wars and stuff to me, and it'll
just go over my head, it'll just go right over my head.
Anyway, we haven't even left the male section, and we've already branched off into the weird,
see, what I do this week, all off on these weird tangents, I don't know if that makes
for good radio or bad radio, but, um, email I think we were on, email, I was done with
email, I said I got emails about Matrix, and that was it.
I did notice something weird though.
I don't know if you have, you have Hotmail account, right?
Oh yeah.
Have you noticed, I just noticed this yesterday, that when I went to my Hotmail account, it
actually redirected, instead of going to, it used to go to like, um, what was it, Law,
L-A-W, Law4 dot, whatever, it would make up a prefix, I guess it would probably have a
server farm or something.
Now, I notice that it routes to Hotmail dot MSN dot com.
Now what's up with that?
Yeah, mine does that too, but the, um, mine uses a C2SD, it's pretty much always like one
of the prefixes, and it goes to Hotmail dot MSN dot com, and, uh, I don't know, it's, I
think the bank, even before it went to Hotmail dot MSN, mine always went to that C2SD, and,
um, I don't know if they just branched over, or if they're, you know, you see the commercials
for, uh, you know, the new, you know, server, and maybe they switched, maybe they consolidated,
you know, 75 domains down to two, never know.
Hmm.
Well, they, um, I don't, I think there, there's definitely still a random prefix or something
on there.
I'm sure they're still going to some server farm with those, or some kind of encoded name.
I don't think they're random, I think it's an encoded name, it, they probably have some
naming convention that you can figure out what it means, but don't really care, frankly.
I just thought, it just struck me as odd, and I wonder how many people notice it.
And the other thing is, like I mentioned on a previous episode, I think it was episode
14, I don't think, I know, I looked that up, but episode 14, I talked about single sign-on,
the concept of what is single sign-on and how it works, and I actually used Hotmail as
an example.
And if you remember that episode, if you haven't listened to it, go check it out, but it basically
explains it's, it's all, it's all authenticating in one place anyway, you know, so you're logging
in, when you logged into Hotmail, you're automatically logged into all the MSN content and other stuff.
Anything that you had that passport, which is more proper terms, passport is their central
authenticating thing, you can get to any of the passport sites, which is MSN, Hotmail,
et cetera, et cetera.
I don't know if Expedia is included, probably all the Microsoft sites.
So, the fact that the name change really doesn't do, make, make a big difference, it just kind
of struck me as unusual.
Yeah.
I hope there's not any more, nothing more to it than that.
But, that's all for the mail.
Now, actually, I kind of already was talking about stuff I've been noticing or doing this
week.
My whole week, my past, like, two weeks, really, but especially last week and today, or actually
Monday, I spent the entire day coding like a madman, absolutely just dropping code like,
like, I don't know, like, I can't even think of a metaphor right now.
I was dropping code non-stop.
If my job would just leave me alone and let me do my coding, the world would be a much happier
place.
Well, I'd be a much happier dog, I know that.
I just want to be left alone and write my code.
Is that really too much to ask?
No, it is not.
My, I spend so much time in meetings about nothing, like, Seinfeld had a show about nothing.
We have meetings about nothing.
You know what, I'm on this now, so this is going to be a rant on what it's like to be
a programmer sometimes.
I swear to you, I'm going to do it without crossing too, I swear to you, these people
have meetings whose sole purpose it is, is to review previous meetings.
And they have meetings to discuss what topics are going to be discussed at subsequent meetings.
They meet for the sake of meeting.
There's no goal.
They rehash things over and over again.
They have meetings, you know what the one they have most often?
Let's have a meeting to discuss what we've accomplished since the last meeting.
So, you know, a day or two later, what have you accomplished?
Well, it's only been a day, and I didn't accomplish anything, so let's sit down and analyze why
we didn't accomplish.
Maybe if you'd quit meeting every other day, you'd get some code done.
You'd get some work done.
You'd have something to accomplish.
I don't get this concept.
Just, just point me to the computer and get out of my way.
You know, I think the, what I like to refer, I don't know if I can say this on, the circle
jerk management style is, it seems to be pretty big over where I'm working at, too.
Just kind of, just stand around and hold your pud, and maybe some, maybe, maybe Bland will
do the work.
Well, and that's the thing, is like, that's the frustrating part.
It's like, I've gotten used to the fact that they're going to meet for the sake of meeting,
and they pull me into it, you know, and fine, whatever.
It's easier for me to just be quiet, take a deep breath, go to my happy place, and just
wait until it's all over with.
I've accepted that's part of working in the real world sometimes.
I accept that's the way it goes sometimes.
But, what gets me angry is that sometimes my work, a lot of times my work, depends on
them getting me information.
And, I've been getting a lot of grief, good word, I've been getting a lot of grief lately,
because a project is not done when they wanted it to be done, yet, I don't get the information
that I need from other parties involved in this.
Now, obviously, I can't go into a bunch of detail.
People know where I work, somewhat.
They know what type of place I work at, and most of them probably know where I work, actually.
But, I'm not going to come out and say it on the radio.
However, I get some information, some data, from an outside agency that I need to import
into our local system.
Well, I'm working with the data that they give me, and the specs that they give me, and
specs change as you go along, because they don't think them through, they change their
mind at the last minute.
That, again, is something you have to accept as a programmer.
That just happens.
And, again, I'm used to that.
I don't mind it.
I actually smile and laugh about it.
Sometimes, I even code ahead of time, going, you know what, I don't think this is what they
meant.
I think they wanted this.
So, I'll go ahead and write the code, and then when they come to me, I say, yeah, I
know, I'm already done.
I already, you know, I already kind of play ahead of the game.
And, even this project I've been working on lately, I coded ahead of the game.
They didn't give me all of the specs, but I had some ideas.
I jumped ahead.
I coded what I could code.
I wrote the shell of the program, so it saved me some typing time.
And, they finally give me the information that I need, the data, actually.
I got most of the specs, finally.
I got those whipped out.
Now, I'm getting a data file, and the data that they send me is garbage.
I mean, it's total garbage.
They're sending me blanks in fields that should be numeric.
And, my program is looking for zeros or for numbers, and it just chokes it to death.
Which, yes, it can all be fixed.
But, when we're talking about a record length of over 4,000 characters and several thousand records themselves, I have to write exception routines for all of these things.
And, 20 occurrences, within 20 occurrences, it's just messy and time-consuming to write an exception routine for mistakes that other people did.
Well, I guess I shouldn't say mistakes, but oversights and shortcomings of someone else's programming skills who can't get me good, solid, valid information.
And, that's frustrating because it makes me look like I'm not coding fast enough or I'm not getting something done on time, when, in actuality, I have programmed ahead of the game, and I'm waiting on them to get me data.
It's so frustrating sometimes.
And, then I get called into a meeting to sit there and twiddle my thumbs and say, what's the progress?
Well, there is no progress because I'm in your meeting, again, and I could be in my office in headphones coding.
Ugh.
Alright, calm down.
Go to my happy place.
Ah.
Okay.
I'm back.
See, I made it through that without cussing.
I am very, very proud of you.
I am, I'm, I'm proud of myself.
I'm, I'm very proud of myself.
I'm, you know what?
That was a pat on the back.
I pat, I gave myself a pat on the back for that.
Oh, Stan, you earned it.
What did you almost say?
I said you earned it.
Oh, okay.
Oh, man.
Alright.
I'm calmed down.
You know what, though?
It, even that being said, it's frustrating and stuff.
I'm getting used to it.
I'm getting better at it.
It's, you know, when you gotta work with normals all day, you have to adapt to them, at least on a temporary basis.
At least on a social engineering level.
You have to talk down.
You have to deal with their way of thinking and their way of working.
And you just have to.
As hard as it is, and believe me, I know, you have to deal with the normals.
And you just, you gotta work through it.
But I did, even that being said, I had a great week doing this coding.
That's what I like to do.
I love it.
I laid down so much code Monday.
I went in, coded almost 12 hours solid, straight.
Even at lunchtime, I ran out and grabbed something to eat from a, I almost went to McDonald's, but I didn't.
I went to a local restaurant, grabbed something, brought it back to my desk and coded while I'm eating.
I stayed there late tonight.
Everybody was out of the building.
I, you know what, I don't know if you, well, actually, what am I asking?
Of course you're familiar.
You're the king of all music.
I listened to the Matrix soundtrack.
Not the, not the movie score, but the other disc.
You know, it's a two disc.
It's the one with Marilyn Manson and, and Rob Zombie's on there, P.O.D.
I'm, dude, I cranked it up full blast.
I'm just coding and just, dude, I was in the zone.
I was like Michael Jordan, baby, 50 point game.
I was in the zone.
And it's, and when I walked, when I left, it was just the greatest feeling.
It was just the adrenaline rush.
I guess people, I hope some people listening feel me on this.
I hope they get me.
But, dude, when you've been coding and you can see the progress and you're like, yeah, boy, I just, boy, I just worked that out, man.
I fixed their program.
I worked around and no matter what they try, I've got it hooked up.
There's nothing they can do.
They can't make it any worse that I can't fix it.
You know, I just walk out with such a feeling of, of accomplishment and victory, I guess.
And I don't know.
I guess it's a programming thing, a hacking thing.
I don't know.
Also, and maybe it's the fact that it's at night.
I always do my best coding.
I work better at night.
I don't know if that's a hacking cliche or if it's just a personal, you know, they always, always say that hackers are up all night and blah, blah, blah.
Maybe it's true or maybe it's just me.
I don't know.
Do you do, do you notice any difference?
Do you do anything better late at night?
Oh, boy, that was a real open-ended question.
Rewind, rewind, rewind.
Bland, do you notice that you code any differently in the day versus the night?
Oh, man.
As far as just hacking in general, I can't do anything while the sun's up, man.
And I just, it gets dark and, you know, like everyone's in bed and you're just, the energy is there.
And it's just, man, the best hacking, my best hacking is like 2, 3 in the morning.
Yeah.
Yeah, but it's so hard to do that too and have to get up and go work with the normals all day, you know?
Yeah.
They got that 8 to 5, 9 to 5 mindset and they just don't understand.
I pity them.
They just, and you know, the thing is, they just don't get it.
But you could write an entire system in a couple nights overnight doing it your way, but that's not good enough.
That's not what they want.
They'd rather you come in and spend 6 months during those normal business hours trying to make your brain function,
going to all their mind-numbing meetings and sapping your will to code and make you take infinitely longer.
And that somehow is better.
I don't get it.
But that is corporate mentality.
That's just the way the world is and unfortunately that's not changing.
You know, we know some of our listeners have had problems dealing with school and how those systems work
and how a school bothers them and they can't do this and the restrictions there.
Well, we have that same type of thing in the real world.
So, you know, that's why our advice is always suck it up, go to your happy place, get through it.
You will and in the long run you will be better off.
Hopefully.
Yeah.
I'll let you know when I get there.
Yeah, no kidding.
Right?
No, that's a, you know, I can't say that.
Truth be told, compared to a lot of places in the world, there's some people in bad shape,
so always count your blessings on where you stand.
Anyway, let's go back.
Can we talk about hacking?
I actually want to.
I don't know, should we?
Yeah.
Or do you want to just go off and like some kind of transcendental meditation kind of, I don't know,
you want to talk about some philosophical, your job here is to keep me reined back in
when I go off on these weird tangents like that.
See, I dig them.
See, I know, I see this is the thing, I got the wrong person, right?
Hell yeah.
You and I can start off a hacking show and end up talking about, I don't know, debating
the size of trash can perimeters or something weird like that.
Which, by the way, I don't understand the trash can perimeter.
I mean, why does there even have to be a standard size in trash cans?
I mean, really, as long as it just meets your needs, it should be able to adapt to whatever.
Why not an elastic rimmed garbage can?
See, that's why Linux doesn't make trash cans.
And make your own, a Lego, like a Lego, you can build your own.
Exactly.
Ah, well, speaking, oh, okay, I don't know, that's not a good segue.
I'm going to segue back into something else I found cool this week.
Okay, I'm done with the ranting about that.
I actually stumbled across a cool device.
I think, if I remember correctly, I got this, I found this through a link from Yahoo.
Yahoo, I don't remember where or how at Yahoo, but something on one of their pages.
It was like the top, what was their word, coolest, it was some kind of cool inventions or something,
cool products that were out.
And this one that caught my eye, anyway, is that there's a new, see, in my office,
here's what relates to work.
In my office, I have a shredder.
I'm one of the few people that insisted on getting a shredder.
I deal with Social Security numbers, people's payroll information, student information,
all kinds of private stuff, grades, anything you can imagine.
And I respect my own privacy, so I'm definitely going to respect others.
So I have a shredder, and I shred anything of that nature, including my own code.
And I don't want somebody dumpster diving, pulling out my code and digging through it or something like that.
Something that basically is our bread and butter is accurate sometimes.
So I shred a lot of that stuff.
Well, I found a shredder, and I know you're thinking, how can a shredder be cool?
This is a shredder.
It's made by, or who's it made by?
Royal, R-O-Y-A-L, royal.com.
It is a shredder that shreds CDs, compact discs.
You can put a compact disc in there.
It will shred it.
It's called a CD shredder, but it will shatter it, basically.
Shatter the CD, cut it in so many pieces that, I tell you what, here's a quote.
Here's a quote from it.
Where is it called?
It says, it flattens.
Oh, this was also cool.
Not only does it shred CDs, it also shred diskettes and credit cards.
Which, I don't know if you've ever tried.
I've tried to send credit cards through a shredder, and it doesn't, it chokes.
It doesn't like it very well at all.
Yeah, no, it's not happy with that at all.
Yeah, at the very worst, it'll bend it or carve into it, but it won't cut it open.
So, and you'll probably really screw up your shredder in the process, but this one will
shred floppies, credit cards, and the quote, which just, I don't know, it sounds really
cool the way they word it.
It says, quote, it flattens raised numbers on old credit and ATM cards before cutting them
to ribbons.
It shreds a CD in about four seconds, reducing it to shards so, excuse me, too small to be
used for any kind of data recovery.
Dude, do you, how cool is that?
Yeah, that's really cool.
Not only does it shred the card, but it flattens the raised numbers?
Wow, that is, dude, that is elite.
Oh, police, open up, stank dog, we're here to confiscate.
Oh, shred, shred, shred, shred.
Actually, I have to be shredding a lot real fast, so that's not exactly going to work.
But, man, I thought, am I over, that to me is really, really cool.
Oh, that's very nice.
Hey, what's the, what's the time on that?
How long does it take you to shred the CD?
I think it said, did it say four seconds to shred, shatter a CD?
I think it was four seconds.
Which, I mean, I guess it takes four seconds to shred a piece of paper.
Yeah.
You know, if it takes that long to feed it through.
I'm just trying to figure it out if I can do it with a sledgehammer or a can of green beans
or something faster.
It wouldn't be as small.
This is like confetti.
Oh, really?
Well, yeah, they show a picture.
If you go to, again, it's www.royal.com, R-O-Y-A-L.
They show a picture of it.
When I look, it was on the front page earlier this week, and I assume it'll be up for a while.
If not, just, I guess you can look under the shredder section or search for it.
I'm not sure.
But it shows a picture, and you can see all the little shards in the catch case.
And it's really, it's pretty cool.
It's really pretty cool.
Other than that, I listened, by the way, I listened to Last RFA, and I really liked your doorbell idea.
Oh, thank you.
With the Bluetooth and walking up to the door.
Yes.
See, you know, it's going to be tough getting that into most people.
Geeks would love it, of course.
But seriously, why not?
It's obviously not expensive technology.
I mean, it's cheap enough they put it into phones, right?
Oh, yeah.
Well, when you're building tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars on a home or on a house,
it seems like a simple thing to build that into the doorbell when you're building a new house,
a new technology that could be put into upgrading doorbell technology, which I don't think has been updated.
I mean, it's a doorbell, for God's sake.
What can you do?
You know?
What?
Like, you know, I know some houses that are built now, they go ahead and they put it, well, probably now they've stopped with wireless.
But I know a few years back they were building houses and putting network RJ45 cable running through the house so that if you wanted to set up a network,
you could simply jack into the port in the room and you could go to, like, a utility closet or something and set up your hub or switch or whatever you wanted to set up.
And that way you're all, all your wiring's already pulled through because I'm sure as most hackers know that have pulled their own network,
you go through the ceiling, you make some mess, you have to get into the roof, you have to get into the walls.
If you live in an apartment, forget about it, you know?
Oh, yeah.
So I know they're putting those in houses because it was cheap.
It's not like RJ45 costs a whole lot, you know?
It's not like this stuff's going to cost a couple faceplates.
Same thing with the Bluetooth.
Put that in the doorbell, man.
I don't think that's, I think that's pretty cool.
Yeah, especially if you could somehow get it to transmit something custom.
Like if all the Domino's delivery boys wore, you know, hey, get the door, it's Domino's.
Or, you know, like put their little slogan in there so you get to hear a little advertising with your pizza.
Hmm.
I get, the thing is it would have to be, I would want it to only be voluntary.
You know, there's got to be a way to keep it from, I don't want, you know, because that's the problem with RFID.
You know, I don't want somebody tracking me or, you know, knowing where I'm at or coming, you know.
It would have to be a voluntary thing.
Now, the range of Bluetooth is so small that it might not be such a problem, but.
Well, I'm not talking about using it for authentication or anything.
I'm just talking about that maybe even you have to have it, like if I had a doorbell.
Right.
If I had a Bluetooth doorbell.
Well, I had linked up a, your, your Bluetooth Mac address, the Mac address of your phone.
So you'd have to program your doorbell?
Yeah.
Because, I mean, it wouldn't send, like that would be scary.
Right.
That's what I was getting at.
I didn't want any kind of Big Brother stuff going on.
No.
It would definitely have to be something that's programmed into the doorbell.
But, again, is that something that only Uber geeks like us would ever do?
I think it's rad.
And if you could do it for cheap enough and, I mean, let's say as cool as Bluetooth is.
And as cool as doorbells are.
Cool as doorbells are.
I think, I think it would fly.
I think, you know what, I really do.
But, it's one of those things that is so cheap.
Why not?
That's what, that's what I say.
Why not?
It's cheap.
Yeah.
And plus, because a lot of people have Bluetooth in their phone.
They're like, Bluetooth?
Blackberry?
What's all this?
Yeah.
They don't even know.
And so, but if you say, hey, here's something that you can use to, you know, sound cool at my house when you come and visit me.
You know, it shows you, you know, it does that for, for me.
And they'll be like, ooh, maybe this Bluetooth stuff is kind of cool.
And they'll do a little reading about it and Bluetooth will really jump up and take off like it should.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I, I do, I think it is, I think it is taking off.
The cell phone market, cell phone industry is helping it a lot.
I went and checked out the site you guys talked about on RFA 89, right?
Which one?
That was the last one?
Yeah.
89.
BluejackQ.com?
Oh, yeah.
That was a cool site.
And was it, am I, and did I misinterpret it?
Was that run by like a 12-year-old kid or something?
Yeah, I think, I think that's the story.
Dude, that is cool, man.
That kid is all right.
If he's listening, somebody get the show to him, dude, that's elite.
I know it's kind of silly and it's not a big, you know, in-depth hacking thing, but that's a pretty cool thing.
It's a pretty cool that you made your own whole website to it with, frankly, useful information.
I thought it was funny.
I looked at the sites and some of the pictures and stuff.
I thought that was a very cool site, especially for someone that age, and that's an up-and-coming hacker right there.
Oh, yeah.
Other than that, I think the rest of my week was spent searching for the Paris Hilton homemade porn video.
How about you?
Yeah, I didn't, I didn't find much.
I heard a lot of people have it, but they've just got the, there's like a three-minute kind of preview deal.
Yeah, that's all I got, too.
That's all I found.
I can't, I don't, and I didn't even bother watching that because I knew it was going to be the preview.
Well, I don't know.
I actually have some pretty good stuff on that little thing.
But the thing is, it's like that, it's night vision goggles.
It's like everything's green and black, you know?
Oh, it's just like you're watching Operation Desert Storm.
Exactly.
It's pretty weird, but you can see, it's definitely her.
There's no doubt about that.
Is there any nudity in the preview footage?
Oh, yeah.
Huh.
Oh, yeah.
There is, oh, man.
Okay, I'm not saying any bad words, but can we talk about, oh, man, I'm not supposed to mention Adult Topics or he can't use them in the GSM.
Oh, what am I going to do?
What?
Oh, man.
See, one of the people in IRC, forgive me if I forget, I think it was, it might have been Cloak Dagger.
Someone in IRC mentioned they have a GSM treasure hunt game, which is kind of a cool idea.
What they do is they bury, or they go out and bury like a time capsule or a hidden thing, and they post the coordinates, and other people will go out there with a GSM and try to find it.
So it's this cool treasure hunt thing, and he was saying that he wanted to put episodes of Binary Revolution Radio.
But they have a limit, they have a rule that they can't put, quote, adult material.
So us cursing all the time, I guess, qualifies or could qualify as that.
Well, did I ruin it with Circle Jerk a little earlier?
I don't know.
I was worried about whether I was going to ruin it with the word penetration.
Penetration is a good word, saying.
Well, the Paris Hilton video has penetrated the market.
Can I word it that way?
Can I get away with it like that?
Does it penetrate the market's mouth, or does it penetrate...
Oh, man, you're killing me.
Oh, gosh.
I'm crying, trying not to laugh.
Or does it penetrate...
There's a lot of oral discussion about it.
Okay.
But no one's being anal about anything, are they?
I think they're only anal when the camera's not directly on them.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, then it's time that they can, you know, try other things.
Okay.
But, yeah, it's definitely worth the download for three minutes.
And when you watch that, you will want the full.
I think the full one's supposed to be like 30 minutes.
If I remember on the...
I think on the smokinggun.com, I think I remember they said that it was 30 minutes or 34 minutes or something like that.
The smokinggun.com, by the way, still in full effect.
Oh, yeah.
Dude, they come out with...
Oh, they're the bomb.
That's it.
They're like zero-day pop culture.
Yeah.
And they're so...
You know the other silly thing that they do that's still hilarious is they just post mug shots.
Yeah.
Dude, people have the most ugly, just weird mug shots sometimes.
Dude, some of that stuff is...
That's good photography.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, those cops, they really know how to work an angle.
So does Paris Hilton.
But, besides the Paris Hilton video, what have you been working on this past...
Well, gosh, it's been a long time since you've been on here, and I know you talk about a lot of it on RFA,
but you were saying you were doing some plural stuff lately?
Yeah, I've been learning some pearls.
Really knuckling down and trying to get the thing learned, trying to get it hammered out.
So you're learning it.
You don't really know it in depth, or...
No, I don't speak pearl yet.
Yeah, same with me.
I've been...
My pearl is limited to modifying stuff that already exists, you know?
Yeah.
It's something I've been wanting to practice and learn a little bit more of myself.
So you want to talk about particulars, or is that too long a topic?
Yeah, it's too long a topic.
We've been rolling for quite a while.
Yeah, you know what?
We have been.
Well, we had...
Do we want to talk about our other project at all?
Let's pimp it.
Just a little.
Let's just...
Let's graze the surface just a little bit.
Dude, we...
Let's see.
Dude, we have so many projects, dude.
We have more projects than members.
Yeah, we really...
And you know what?
We might have to change that.
We might have to do something about that.
We have another project.
Another DDP joint.
I don't want to...
See, we've got to be careful.
I don't want to give it away.
First of all, you...
The listeners don't know this, but you know my personal feeling on announcing projects.
I don't like to announce them.
I don't like to go talking about them until we're sure that we're going to go through with it.
Right.
Until it's something we know we can do.
We can do pretty much anything, technically, that we want to put our minds to.
We can do anything that...
It's whether or not we have the time to do it.
And if we're actually going to follow through, because...
Let's face it.
Sometimes we procrastinate as bad as anyone else.
Oh, yeah.
As a matter of fact, worse than everyone else.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, this one, I think, is almost definitely a go.
I mean, this is a 99.9%.
This is a go whenever we get around to recording.
Oh, you know what?
I guess that's the hint.
Yeah.
I guess that's a hint.
This is going to be...
I guess we can tell them that it's going to be another radio show.
Download only.
Right, yeah.
We're not going to stream this one.
We don't think.
I don't know.
Something may come of that.
Dude, I don't think anyone would take it.
Yeah, and the other thing is we're also...
It's not going to be a regular weekly...
This is going to be a when we come up with the material kind of deal, which is kind of
like Hack TV.
It's when we get enough material and gather together enough to put it out.
It's going to be one of those things.
We may do two or three a week if we're rolling.
Yeah.
We may do, you know, one every two or three months.
Who knows?
And this is...
I guess this is a DDP project.
However, I don't know.
Is it...
This is more of just a bland and stank thing.
Yeah, just kind of...
Yeah, doing what we do.
This is...
This will probably be something you download from our individual sites.
Both of them?
Or do we want to make...
I guess that doesn't matter.
We'll worry about that later.
But it's really not a technical...
It's not a programming project.
It's another radio show that hopefully people will like.
I guess that's enough.
Is that enough?
Yeah, that'll do it.
Yeah.
So look for that hopefully within, what, a couple weeks?
Yeah, if we can get together this weekend.
We should have done it tonight because we were rolling.
Yeah, if you would have kept going with that first take, we'd have had it.
Yeah, we had to stop take on the first episode, first time tonight.
So, yeah, I think it's going to be coming very soon.
And anyway, let's jump into...
Boy, man, we just go on talking sometimes.
There's just so much stuff to talk about.
I've got quite a few news things.
I'm going to just try to burn through them.
Jeez, you know what?
Actually, no, I'm going to take my time.
And whatever we don't cover, we'll bump.
Because I want to talk about these things slowly and make sure we get some points across.
I think that's more important.
And the first topic is something I said for a couple weeks now that I was going to bring up on the show.
And that is spam.
And how we still have a lot of spam.
And how spammers get around the rules and filters and stuff like that.
I actually saw a quote.
I wish I knew where I got this from.
That said, spam is an adaptive virus.
And I thought that was so, so true.
All the filters, all the filters that we have now, these Bayesian filters, they're good.
But they're still not foolproof.
There's still tons of spam that slips through.
And I kind of have been doing a little bit of research and trying to figure out why and how and what can be done about it, if anything.
And I just came up with some things.
I don't know if some of you may have noticed, some of you may have not.
But this is some of the things I found spammers using.
And, you know, I've got to give some credit.
Some of this stuff is pretty inventive.
They still are the scum of the earth.
But at least they're, I've got to say, some of this stuff is thinking like a hacker and thinking around.
You've got a filter in front of you.
And you think about, think of a way to get around it or through it or, you know, that's really the mind of a hacker.
So I have to give some credit to the thinking around things.
But the intent is much different.
They're evil.
We're not.
So the first one, the one I see a lot of and most common, the filters pick up this sometimes.
But if you use, like, for example, if you send me an email at stankdawg at hotmail.com.
If you send an email from stankdawg at aol.com or stankdawg at bliggitybloggityblue.com, you just make up.
When you forge the headers, you forge the from account.
If it has the username of the person you're sending it to, usually the filters will not pick it up.
Sometimes it will if it's a known, you know, it's part of a database or something like that that's known spammers.
But in general, it sees your name in there.
And a lot of times that causes it to mistakenly think that maybe you sent it to yourself or you sent it from another account.
It thinks it's being smart because it's customized to you.
It has your name in it in the from field.
Now, in the subject line or something like that, it's probably treated a little bit differently.
But the fact that it's in the from field, it's able to slip through a lot.
You see that one a lot too, don't you?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, see, just any, and it's not always, sometimes it's stankdawg6142, you know, it doesn't have to be just that.
But if it has the word in it, I notice those get through a lot.
The second one, and I can't help, I'm, I feel a little bit guilty almost, although I'm sure I'm not.
But that they use elite speak in these things against us.
They've turned it back against us, which kind of sucks.
Sucks is okay, right?
I can say sucks.
Oh, yeah.
Sucks is good.
Sucks is fine.
Good, healthy sucks.
Yeah, nothing wrong with that.
Like, well, I guess I really, our audience knows elite speak.
We don't have to explain what elite speak is to them.
But by putting in, instead of Viagra, you put V1, A-G-R-A, is that how you spell it?
Or Myagra, the Mexican, is that my joke from before?
The Myagra, the Hiagra, the Haitian Viagra?
Dude, you don't need that.
You just knock over table land.
Oh, man.
Man, come on, you let my secret out.
You scared the elephants.
Oh, man.
Oh, where was I?
So, anyway, changing one letter causes the word filter.
So, most spam, when you get something with Viagra in a subject line, it's going to immediately flag that as high probability of being spam.
Putting that number one in there throws that list off.
Now, the way some of the filters are accounting for that is in their dictionary or in their list of trigger words,
they're adding the elitized version of the word.
Now, if you go back and you read my original article on elite speak, you'll realize that that didn't work back then.
They used to try to filter people.
That's how elite speak became about was because people were getting around filters.
You filter out one word, we modify it, we come back.
You filter it out again, we modify it, we come back, and it's an adaptive language, just like spam is an adaptive virus.
I think I used that line in my article, and I just now realized that that was the same someone used it in this quote.
So, it's not going to stop it unless you constantly update it, constantly add it, and frankly, it's going to keep morphing.
So, that's kind of a lost cause, but in the short run, that's getting through a lot of filters.
And, you know, the parallel spamming with hacking, to take that step a little bit further, the same way about using elite speak to get rid of those Bayesian filters,
it's also the same way as Microsoft will allow backslashes in PATH instead of regular splashes for like HTML requests, stuff like that.
And, like if Snort, like if you try a double decode attack, it will log, you know, dot, dot, slash, dot, slash, dot, slash, dot, slash, and Snort will come up and alert on that.
But since Microsoft and their Omni Benevolence decided to allow backslashes for the same attack, dot, dot, backslash, dot, dot, backslash, dot, dot, backslash,
your browser will execute it, you will complete the hack, and Snort will not alert.
So, it's the same thing, I mean, you have to go in and tell Snort to recognize dot, dot, backslash, dot, backslash,
in the same way that you have to tell it to recognize the 414G, you know, the Haitian, you know, you know what I mean?
Right, right, well, and the other thing is, boy, we're getting pretty technical here,
the other thing is, even with just those two things, that's not limited to that,
even if you stop that, you can go in and put the hex code for the front slash, or the hex code for the backslash,
and, you know, it's going to interpret that to its proper ASCII character, and do the same thing.
Yep.
So, yeah, there's, there's, I mean, there's numerous ways in, around, and through, everything, and anything,
and, again, that's, that's what we do.
Um, another thing, let's see, I'm up to one, two, I'm up to number three here,
the other thing is punctuation.
V, period, I, period, A, period, putting a dot between every letter throws off the filter sometimes,
because, again, they don't see the word.
Some of them, not all of them, just in some cases.
I can tell you for sure, Hotmail, Hotmail doesn't filter them out.
You put in a dot between every letter of every word, and it will not see the word sometimes,
and it will slip through.
Same principle.
Some of the filters have gotten smarter about that as well.
So, they look for the continuous string.
And, that brings me to my fourth one that I found, and I had to do some digging to find this one.
See, I, I study my spam.
When I get it, I want to see how they got it.
I want to see how, you know, what they're doing, and why it worked, and how it worked.
Frankly, you gotta, you gotta say, I mean, you learn a lot by doing it.
You learn some of their tricks, and, you know, the more tricks you have in your tool belt,
anyway, this trick is, it's similar to the punctuation or things between the letters,
but this one isn't, on an HTML level.
Most, almost all, male clients these days interpret HTML.
You send and receive email in HTML format.
Maybe not by default, but it doesn't really matter.
It will view it in HTML just fine.
Well, what, the, one of the coolest tricks is that they will use hidden HTML codes,
like meta tags, or something like that, or even just an unprintable character, or something like that.
And they will put in the V, and then they will just put in a tag in the HTML code that's not visible on the screen,
and then they will put the letter I, which is visible, and then another tag code,
and then the letter A, or whatever, you know, whatever their word is,
whether it's Viagra, whether it's teen whatever, whether it's, you know,
whatever that email spam happens to be, they put a meta tag, or any kind of tag in between it that's not visible.
So when you get the email, right there, clearly, you do see the word Viagra.
And you think to yourself, how in the world did that one get through?
Because the filters look for that word.
How did they not see that?
Very clearly it says, order Viagra, 100% legal, next day shipping, whatever, you know,
whatever that stuff is, it's all right there, and you're thinking,
there's no way that the filter doesn't pick that up, right?
Wrong.
If you look at the source code of this, some of those,
you will see how they use those tags in between letters.
And your, and it's not just the email clients displaying HTML, it's the nature of HTML.
You could bring that up on a web page and do the same thing.
I could easily put a word in a web page.
You go and look at it, and it's interpreted, and you just see a plain word there.
But if you do a view source, you will see the hidden tags behind it that separate every letter of that word.
So that, I thought, was one of the coolest, I hate to say, coolest things that I've seen done lately.
That by putting that tag in there, the majority of users don't even realize it, and it's invisible to them,
and you bypass the filter, which is their goal.
Hey, man, it is really, as bad as I hate to say it, it is the essence of hacking.
It really is.
And I'm sure there are some of these people who are hackers or former hackers or have some relationships to hacking.
Remember, not all hackers agree with the way we do and what we say on the show and what some of the people in the forums.
There are hackers out there that are criminals.
There are hackers that are spammers.
There are hackers that are bad people.
I like to think they're in the minority, but, frankly, it's a good trick.
I'm not going to take anything away from it.
Yeah.
I mean, that's, you know, they're still scum of the earth.
But, spammers, that is.
Yeah.
Even hacker spammers, because spammers overrides everything else.
Whew, I wonder, let's see.
What's worse, a spammer or a child pornographer?
I think the spammers, no.
Boy, that's close.
Yeah.
I tell you what, let's make it easier.
How about a spammer or a lawyer?
Oh, definitely, definitely, definitely a spammer.
Yeah, I think you're probably right.
Because, you know, here's the thing.
Because if you take that and if you transpose it, there is not one good spammer.
That's true.
There are, actually, I have a lawyer and she's very good.
So, I probably, that's probably a very, very wise statement.
Well, when you're in the county and we call the EFF, they're going to send a lawyer down.
There's going to be a good lawyer.
Yeah, that's true.
Hey, we support the EFF.
Yeah, we do.
We sent money.
Hey, we love the EFF.
Joking aside, the EFF is, dude, I don't know where we would be without them sometimes.
Like one of the few bright spots of logic and good thinking people left in the world.
I heard that.
All right, anyway, let me jump to number five here.
This is the last one I found.
And if anybody has more, of course, you know how to get in contact with us.
The intentional mixing up of letters.
Now, this is a joke.
Not a joke.
This is a phenomenon or an interesting little trivia thing that we mentioned.
Someone mentioned in the forums one time that you can mix up letters of a word,
but you can still read it perfectly fine.
As long as the first letter and the last letter are the same.
And I think it was in the off-topic forums in the doghouse.
If you want to go check that out, forums.binrev.com.
You'll notice that, and it's kind of, you have to see it to believe it because you don't really think it's possible.
But you look at the words and you can very clearly and read an entire sentence or paragraph.
Even though the letters are all jumbled up, as long as that first letter of the word and the last letter of the word are correct,
and all the letters in between them are the valid letters just out of order,
your mind is actually smart enough for over the years of reading, you recognize, you read,
you just glance at the letters and your mind sees the words.
And spammers are doing that.
But they'll put the word Viagra, but they'll spell it out.
V-G-A-I-R-whatever-A.
As long as it begins with a V and ends with an A,
your mind will, even if you're not taking Viagra, you're not into Viagra,
even though the show has suddenly turned into the Viagra show.
Man, in a, you know what, did I get, oh man, did I just turn this into a big commercial for Viagra?
Yeah, it was.
Inadvertently?
Viagra sells itself, though.
Well, I guess that's true.
That's a Haitian swap shop.
Exactly.
Used.
So, mixing up the words, you can still read it, so that's what a lot of spammers do.
You'll see it in the subject line, mixed up words, and it gets through the filter.
Again, not all of them.
These are just some things that I have seen.
So, if anybody has any others, we'll give you contact information at the end of the show.
You know, I got one, let's end with another, this is a funny thing to me.
We are running out of time, so let's end with this.
Speaking of viruses, speaking of, you know, spam being an adaptive virus,
viruses in general, I just saw this quote.
Where did I get this from?
I don't even know where I got this from, unfortunately.
I've got to start writing down my sources better.
But this is a quote from John Thompson, who I didn't recognize, so I don't expect the listeners to.
They might.
He is the CEO of Symantec.
Or Symantec, or however you want to pronounce it.
Symantec.
Antivirus company, of course.
This quote just, okay, let me just read it.
And his quote is, it's clear that our consumer business benefited from the rash of blended threats.
Thanks, numbnuts.
Yeah, thank you.
I mean, way to point out the obvious there, Brainiac.
Good job.
Did you call Miss Cleo for a backup on that one, or what kind of help did you have?
I mean, you do homework on that.
That's the stupidest thing.
I mean, I talked, oh, jeez, I don't know what episode this was when I talked about blended threats.
You know, about, as a matter of fact, it might have been the virus episode you and I did the first time.
Yeah.
Where he talked about blended threats and how all the different viruses were taking, learning from each other,
taking different parts and doing multiple things to deliver their payload and stuff.
Yeah.
So this guy's saying that, oh, their consumer business benefited from those blended threats.
Gee, isn't that pretty much what your consumer business is based on?
Let's see.
If there are more viruses, maybe your antivirus software is going to sell better.
Good job.
You know what?
What other kind of gems of wisdom do you have for us, Buddha?
Yeah, you got the Dalai Lama over there telling you that, you know, snow chains sell a lot better in, you know, in Alaska.
Yeah.
We need, yeah, we really need more people like that in the world.
We really need intelligence.
You know what?
I know why.
I can see why he is CEO of that company.
Because he has a master's in business.
Exactly.
He's got a master's in business that his mommy and daddy bought for him.
No, I actually heard.
I had to take a business class once.
Was it torture?
Yeah, and, you know, there was a phrase they used that sort of, that I think that's really applicable to this man's situation.
And that is?
Supply and effing demand.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Thanks for enlightening us on the most simplistic business concept that anybody who's taken any classes in a college setting and the majority of high school students have learned.
And even those who haven't have enough common sense to figure out on their own.
Yeah, it's not hard to put two and two together on that one.
Yeah.
Well, and, you know, it brought this to mind.
I don't know if this is a stretch or if I'm going way off track here.
But it reminds me of the, I think it was actually started as a joke.
I don't know if it was a Chris Rock joke, but I've heard it in a lot, a lot since where they say that people, they don't treat diseases.
You're, when they make drugs, they're not trying to cure anything.
They're not trying to cure diseases.
They're trying to find a way to let you live with the disease.
They want to cure the symptoms of the disease.
They don't want to cure you.
If they cure you, you're cured.
You won't buy their drugs anymore.
They don't make any more money.
But if they can find a way to just get you through a few more years and make you buy more of their drugs, then they make more money.
So there's no money in the cure.
There's no money in curing these viruses.
There's no money in fixing and preventing these viruses for Symantec.
There's money in making you renew the engine every year and download debt files and stuff like that.
That's where the money is.
There's no cure.
There's no money in creating a secure operating system.
You don't think Microsoft's going to create?
No, because that's where all their third party, they, you know, they're, they would shut so many people out of business that it's, I mean, come on.
I don't know.
Am I reaching?
Is that a, is that a conspiracy theory or am I way off or what's?
No, man.
Pharmaceutical, uh, pharmaceutical companies are still pissed off with all the money they lost with the polio vaccine.
Yeah, probably.
But am I, am I making a stretch to say that that's going on in, with software?
I mean, is that a reason to, I wouldn't say they won't make it a secure operating system, but is that a reason to, I mean, actually we've, we've said on, I think we've talked about on the show before.
And if not, I, I, I've heard that Microsoft is going to be including a, um, virus scanner with, uh, Longhorn.
Well, they, they better let it check for, uh, all sorts of violations in Windows software.
Yeah, right?
I have identified a virus on your computer called Windows XP.
Yes, please remove immediately.
Press uninstall.
Oh, all right.
Well, you know what?
I think that's a good ending point.
What do you think?
Good show.
It's a good ending.
Good, good, good show.
Funny show, as always, with you.
Oh, thank you.
Always have a good time.
Um, I guess, let's jump to shout outs, um, I want to shout out to Rocket.
Rocket Deadhead.
Everyone at Interz0ne, I've been talking with him some, about some possible projects lately.
Possible, the key word there, don't, you know.
Um, and, uh, so I'm going to give shout outs to them, um, Hacking Conference.
You can go to, uh, well, you know what?
The site's all over, you know, all over the forums, and, uh, we'll put it up in the show notes.
But check out Interz0ne.
And, um, did you have, you want to shout out anybody in particular?
Uh, just my brother, Dool.
Your brother?
Yeah.
Your brother of another color?
Yeah, yeah.
He's my, he's my white brother.
Oh, okay.
Oh, see, now you're a black man this week.
Last week, I was.
Rack said I was last week.
I've got a little bit.
No, actually, I think Hackenslash said I was.
I think he interpreted it that way.
Hmm.
Um, and the email address, like I said earlier.
Oh, you know what?
I am.
People, someone's going, I'm going to get at least one email of somebody chastising me
for mixing up Star Trek and Star Wars.
You know what?
Star Wars has Wookiees and Ewoks, right?
And Star Trek has Borg and the Onion-headed guys.
And the Vulcans.
And the Vulcans and the Ferengis.
Klingons.
That's the one with the big ears, right?
Yeah.
And the Klingons, yeah.
Um, and, uh, oh, and the, the Star Wars has those Sith.
Is that what the Darth Maul guy was?
A Sith?
S-I-T-H?
Yeah.
And, and then they later went back in and added some editing CGI elephant creatures and
Yeah, and Jabba with a hud, like Sully Struthers.
You know what?
We'll end with that.
And as a matter of fact, that's a good, uh, good segue to our closing music tonight.
Uh, MC Frontalot with a track called Nerdcore Hip Hop.
Very appropriately named.
Oh, yeah.
And, um, that is it.
Again, Bland, thank you for being on.
I appreciate it.
Anytime.
And, um, we will see.
I guess we won't see, but we will be back next week.
Same hack time.
Same hack channel.
Wiggy wiggy.
Out.
Initiating startup sequence.
MC Frontalot could rock the turntable.
I'm unable.
I thought I told you I'm working.
Nerdcore, hip hop, other rappers running here.
That I'll put them on the record where the friends could hear.
They get sneered at, listed, not to be trusted.
Seen hobnobbing with the front a lot busted.
That kid's a dork.
He rhyme every day.
On the karaoke rappin'.
Yo, he ain't got anything to say.
Ain't got no record deal.
Never will.
Such a spasm.
Better get his ass some kind of a sedative.
Pish posh.
Man, I'll come as whack as I like.
Spits back on the mic.
Dispensing my disingenuous advice.
Accused famous rappers of biting my style.
Get shot at.
Sit at home, trying to simulate me a hi-hat.
Wishing.
CPU corocopy.
And open.
That if he does, it isn't weak.
On?
Wishing.
CPU corocopy.
Nerdcore, hip hop, good rain supreme.
We'll make a mention of my DJ.
CPU nerdcore.
Hip hop is the style he used.
Step to my DJ.
You better be prepared.
He got 28 and 22, 50 and square.
Just a little bitty bit more than the beat you thought.
Front a lot.
Drop kick and rhythm in the double art.
Sock.
Skinny little beats, but return with the fat of the land.
Now I got a swollen hip hop gland.
I suffer hypochondria.
I think my beats is sick.
Don't trip.
I'ma listen to the bootleg MP3.
Post the front a lot demo on my FTP.
Run away from the rappers who were just like me.
Cause they ain't appreciating who my DJ be.
Wishing.
CPU corocopy.
And opening.
What that defeat does, it isn't weak.
I'm wishing.
CPU corocopy.
And opening.
Nerdcore, hip hop, good rain supreme.
What's the matter with you people?
I was joking.
Don't you know a joke when you hear one?
spooky.
Leon.
This is the first off to tell me.
Mike confident.
I can't believe George.
Uh magnus.
I'll be here.
Hoosh.
enjoy the hall.
I love das.
Hi.
Yeah.
Ohなた.
I love it.